May 22, 2025 • 58 mins
In this episode of Black Man Spy, host Malcolm Nance delves into the alarming implications of Donald Trump's policies and their impact on American democracy. Joined by Michael Cohen, Trump's former attorney, they discuss the chilling revelations from Project 2025, a manifesto outlining the dismantling of democratic norms. As they navigate through the chaos of current events, Nance and Cohen shed light on the erosion of rights and due process in America, exploring the depths of political espionage and the authoritarian tendencies emerging in the U.S. Don't miss this essential conversation that connects the dots between domestic policies and global repercussions!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't hate Donald Trump for being Donald Trump. I
hate the policies that he is enacting with these executive
orders that, by the way, he didn't design, he didn't investigate,
he didn't do homework on, he hasn't read memos of
briefings on. This is all coming out of Project twenty
(00:24):
twenty five, and anybody that thinks that I'm wrong, I
beg you go read Project twenty twenty five. It's a
nine hundred and twenty two page manifesto on how to
destroy America's democracy and turn it into an authoritarian regime.
That's just what it is, and they are doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's underway.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I won it's a playbook.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is Black Man Spy. Welcome to this week's episode
a Black Man's Spy. I'm Malcolm Nance. I'm the host
of Black Man's Spy. You might notice that I am
in a dull environment with Ikea like decor, and that
I'm wearing my blazer but with a pigh collar center
zip a black wool shirt. That's because I'm in arguably Scandinavia.
(01:26):
I am in Copenhagen, Denmark, in the Heller Rope section,
the swanky Hello Rope section of town doing interviews with
people for our next major podcast, which will be an
enormous study of Greenland, which is where I've been for
the last couple of weeks. But today I'm going to
(01:46):
jump right back into American politics, because everything that's happening
in America is impacting every one of you. And you go, WHOA, Malcolm,
this is black man's sply I want to hear about espionage. Well, well, funny,
you should mention it. If you got no rights, you
might want to worry about espionage being carried out on you. Right,
(02:10):
if you were going down the street and you see
men in unmarked mommy vans with mass pulled over their face,
with no identifying badges or even their names, and only
the word police on you or Ice written on them,
like the East German Stasse, like the Argentinian secret police,
(02:32):
like the Chilean secret police, you can be essentially kidnapped
as an American citizen, thrown into a van, deported to
a foreign country. And I understand that that has happened
a couple of times in the last week alone.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
As a matter of fact, there's famous case of a
US citizen was sent to an ICE detention facility and
he was born in the United States, raised in the
United States, foreign languages, he just looked a certain way.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And it took a week for him to be released
from a private prison by ice when his family showed
up with his birth certificate, ID cards and all that stuff.
Everything that occurs in the United States has its impact
within the world of black man spy. And don't forget
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that it was the spymaster in chief, the original President
of the United States, George Washington, who established and guided
and got the Constitution passed and viewed it as an
imperfect but inviable document because we are a nation of laws,
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and right now we have lawmakers who don't even know
what those laws are. Like I'm looking at you, Christ
You know me. You're the one who said you didn't
know what habeas corpus was this week or we're going
to discuss that was our next guest, Michael Cohen, Donald
Trump's former attorney who he was with him for fifteen years,
(04:08):
day and night, and he is going to lead us
through for the next forty five minutes or so, an
amazing discussion about what is going on in America while
I was away. So with that, let's see what Michael
has to say, Welcome to this edition to black Man's Spy,
(04:29):
and I want to introduce my good friend and this
week's guest, Michael Cohen. I have to read his whole
bio here, so bear with me because it's huge. Michael
Cohen is principle of Crisis X, a crisis management company.
He acted his personal attorney for the former President of
the United States known as Donald J. Trump, and before
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that was Executive Vice President for the Trump Organization and
the Special Council to Donald J. Trump. Since his release
from the Otisville Federal Directional Institution, he has authored to
New York Times bestseller Disloyal, a memoir and revenge how
Donald Trump weaponized the US Department of Justice against his critics,
which is going to need an update when I'm in there.
(05:14):
He also hosts the top rated news podcast Mia Coupo
with Michael Cohen, and co hosts the politic podcast Political
Beatdown and Our Substack live every Thursday with the reviewers
of Artist Unleashed, which I like to call two felons
in a Spy. Welcome to the black Man Spy Podcast.
(05:36):
I have my official I'm a host code on I'm
wearing my collar up Scandinavian style, so I look like
I play in a nineteen eighties you know, electric a
European electric band, right.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Literally right out of right, right out of Miamivice, dude,
nineteen eighties, Malcolm Nance.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
The glasses are around here somewhere. Well, welcome listen. I
know your time is precious and I am just so
happy you come on my podcast. And I love doing
Mia Culpa. Mia Culpa is, without a doubt, one of
the best political podcasts out there.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You know very well. I mean, in fact, we're pretty
close to like five hundred million downloads, if not already
exceed on it should. But then again, I've been doing
it now for literally five years. Started Mia Colpa, which
is also my initials, which is how I came up
with the name. But I started it while I was
on home confinement, basically so that I can have my
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voice resonate to America to continue to warn America of
exactly what we see going on right now every single day,
the chaos in DC.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, and to be honest, you quite arguably were the
first victim of Donald Trump actually weaponizing the Department of
Justice against an individual because of you know, not just
what you know, what you did. None of what you
did was arguably illegal, but they certainly got it to
where they put you in prison.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Right, Yeah, it wasn't just prison. They put me back
into solitary confinement, making it a total of fifty one
days and all for what. Because I refused to waive
my First Amendment constitutional right, because I refused to sign
a document that was counterfeit by the Department of Corrections
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under the austice and control of the Department of Justice
Bill Barr, and I refused to sign a fake federal
location monitoring agreement. I was remanded by the marshals after
being placed for like three hours into a freezer, and
then sent back up to Otisville, where, thanks again to
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my attorney don Ya Perry and many people who jumped
on board, filed a habeas petition, right, a habeas corpus petition.
And I bring this up for obvious reasons to those
people that followed the news. We filed this habeas petition,
which by the way, was granted. You know something a
(08:17):
lot of people don't know. I'm going to just digress
for a quick second. Tens of thousands of habeas petitions
are filed each and every year, and like less than
two percent actually are granted. So the reason that I
say that is because mine was such a clear violation
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that Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein determined that the actions by
Bill Barr under the Trump administration and the unconstitutional remand
of me was retaliatory because I refused to waive my
First Amendment constitutional right and not publish the book Disloyal,
which turned out to be number one on the New
(09:00):
York Times Bestseller and then speak to the media about
that book. That's what that's what it was all about.
I mean, it's truly hard to imagine, but I bring
up the habeas simply because you may have recently seen
well not you because you're away right now, but you know,
one of the things that Stephen Miller, right from Trump's
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administration is talking about is actually doing away with habeas
petitions altogether, which, by the way, is nothing shy of
a due process violation. I mean, it's remarkable to me
you're not talking about every habeas petition or ninety percent
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of habeas petitions that have filed are granted. Out of
like every ten thousand, maybe five ten are actually granted,
give or take. So You're not talking about some crazy
you know, number in impro upper usage of habeas, you know,
and to want to do away with it simply so
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that the administration can do away with any violations, any
challenges in the court for their unconstitutional actions. And again,
I'm gonna do the Trump I'm gonna do the Trump weave.
I'm gonna bring it all together. Look at what's going
on right now, right, Look at what's going on Malcolm
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right now with New Jersey where they went after the
mayor right ross Baraka. They ended up just dropping the charges.
But now they're going after the congresswoman La Monica, right,
you know, they're they're going after her for violating the
(10:49):
Ice detention facility even though she had the right to
be there, absolutely legal right to be there. Look at
what they you know, they're doing for example, like in
Chicago and in other places as well. You know where
they're going after you know, judges, they're going after members
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of Congress, They're going after individuals. Look at even what
they're doing to these students based upon illegal protesting. I mean,
these as concepts are not just dangerous, they're unconstitutional. They're
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violative of our laws. They're violative of due process, and
the only way in many of these cases to get
due process is to bring a habeas petition before the courts.
So if you go away with them, what do you got,
what's your You know.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I actually had been following all of that because, believe me,
I had to. You cannot close your eyes to news
of what's going on in the United States when you're overseas,
all right, you come back and you know, be arrested
on spot. But I saw today a video clip of
I believe with Senator Hassan of Minnesota. No, not Minnesota,
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she's from New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And she was grilling Christino yesterday and Christina she asked
her straight, do you know what habeas corpus is? And
she goes, Habeas corpus is an absolute right that the
President of the United States has to execute against you know,
American citizens, And the senator was floored. She goes, no, No,
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you're wrong, that is not what it is, you know,
And you know, Noam was saying that this is a hayby.
This woman is so ignorant. She's saying, habeas corpus is
a power of the president, as opposed to it being
what you just said, right, the right to show that
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there is a crime that has been committed and that
you have a right to that process. So here's the
head of Department of Homeland Security, which, by the way, Michael,
I don't know if you've been in an airport recently
trying to get on an international flight, but as you're
going through the security checkpoints at JFK, they play a
video of her with her goldielocks or whatever, over and over,
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you know, of Christine Obs like she's some sort of
reality talking about Department of Homeland Securities responsibility for keeping
America safe, you know. And the only thing that was
missing where the you know, was the green screen picture
of the Seacott prison in El Salvador, Right. And I
wanted to ask the TSA agents because you know, they're
(13:39):
all frustrated. You know, you got to sit here and
watch this over your head all day, right, literally, Christy no,
but yes, say she couldn't tell you the definition of
habeas corpus. And then when Senator Hassan said, well, do
you support habeas corpus, she went into her little banter
and finally senat her house and goes, no, I'm asking
you do you will you be in your department, recognize
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abs Corpus and she would not say yes, you know,
she went into her little well, it's a right of
the president to da da da da oh my god
like behavior, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So, you know, Malcolm, on our sub stack Thursday, we
we actually spoke about the cosplay that's place right now
in this administration. You know, when you see Christinoma, as
an example, getting dressed up in ice gear holding a
fully automatic AR fifteen, standing in front of a bunch
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of stripped out men in there, you know, down to
their boxers, with all of their tattoos, you know, and
so on, basically guest lighting the American public to continue
to believe the nonsense that's coming out of this administration
that these folks, all of them, every single one of
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them a murderers, drug dealers, rapists, they're animals, the gang
members and so on, when we already know that. I
think it's sixty percent of them that have been disappeared
have no criminal record at all. And that's the point,
(15:23):
you know, I talked about in my substack posts the
other day when I wrote on this, and I was like,
you know, in the Torah, we always talk about that
to save one life is like saving the world.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, all humanity, and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
In the mid rush. And how to tell you this
is what we are all doing. And I don't want
to sound, you know, silly, and I don't want to
sound being hyperbolic. Our goal, you me lev folks like Norm,
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like Harry Litman, like Rick Wilson, like Don Lemon, like
Jim Acosta, like my buddy Jolly good Ginger. Our goal
is to build like the Midas Touch network right right
with Ben Jordi and Brett. Our goal is to build
a massive, massive community. When you say why, because only
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by creating a ballot box revolution does this democratic Republic
have a shot. And you know, I warned everybody in
twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, two years before it happened, that
my biggest fear is that if Donald Trump lost the election,
that there would never be a peaceful transfer in power.
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And holy shit, exactly what I said came true. I
also told you that he would never want to give
up power and he has no intellig that he has
no respect for the law or the constitution. Now, let
me be clear one thing I say all the time
as well, I don't hate Donald Trump for being Donald Trump.
(17:19):
I hate the policies that he is enacting with these
executive orders that, by the way, he didn't design, He
didn't he didn't you know, investigate, he didn't do homework on.
He hasn't read memos of briefings on. This is all
coming out of Project twenty twenty five. And anybody that
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thinks that I'm wrong, I beg you go read Project
twenty twenty five. It's a nine hundred and twenty two
page manifest though on how to destroy America's democracy and
turn it into an authoritarian regime. And they are doing it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's underway by one. It's a playbook, right, yeah, and
it's happening. It's happening. It's just before I My my
favorite part of this is the utter shamelessness. And we
talked about this all the time. They have a masters
of the Universe attitude. They own America and by extension,
(18:23):
they think they own the world, and they will do
whatever the fuck they want to do. And that's why
Trump is making all these you know, statements by fiat. Right.
But you know, I think you said that this wasn't
always the way he did business, right, No, And.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That sends me to be very honest with you. It
sends me because this isn't the Donald Trump that I knew. Yeah,
we fucked over contractors. If there is any of your followers, right,
your listeners that turn around and say, oh my god,
I can't believe you fucked over a contract to fuck
you all right, let me be very if they didn't
do the right job. By the way, even if they
(19:02):
did do the right job, that's the nature of New
York real estate. Every single real estate developer will turn
around and tell you the same thing. The contractors they
start out, they overcharge you because they know that at
the end that they are going to get fucked out
of twenty percent to the deal. That's just common right. Okay,
maybe we went a little overboard and we fucked them
(19:23):
for a lot more than that, But nobody cares about
the contractors, or the painters, or or the suppliers. That
is nothing. It has no effect upon your life. What
does have effect upon your life is due process. What
does upon your life is a president who's willing to
accept a four hundred million dollar gift and think it's okay.
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It's not okay. It's also to have a president that
doesn't believe that people should have First Amendment constitutional rights.
If in fact they are critical of him, it's not okay.
It's not okay to have a president who turns around
and believes, you know, women shouldn't have their own reproductive
decision making rights, or black and brown people shouldn't even
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have the right to vote, or that you know, I
mean on and on, and that people don't have the
right to peacefully protest simply because it's a belief that
you don't want out there, because your base, your magabase
isn't in lockstep with it. These are not normal. These
aren't even Trump ideologies. He's cost playing president using Heritage
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Foundation as the guide. And by the way, he's not moral,
he's not religious. He's just Donald. He's a self motivated narcissist.
And that's okay. There are plenty of it. In fact,
most politicians are narcissists if you think about it, just
from the very essence you think that you should be
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a leader of this country. What a narcissistic ideology? Well,
they all have a form of narcissism. His goes to
a whole nother level. But so what, he was elected
president of the United States, and I say this, and
I truly mean it. As president of the United States,
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he has the right to implement policy that he believes
is right for this country. And nobody has the right
to tell the president that your policy right is, you know,
is wrong. Every president has the right to put forth
their agenda. However, where I draw the line on that
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one is when that agenda is both unconstitutional and designed
within which to destroy our democratic republic. Look, let me
be very clear. There are dozens of policies that George
Bush was putting forth, Barack Obama, right, and so Trump
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in his or Bush one, or even Ronald Reagan right.
I mean, you know, there are dozens of policies. There
are ones that I like and ones that I dislike.
But we have to draw the line when it comes
to policies that make us regress back to fifty sixty
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one hundred years. We're supposed to be progressing, not regressing.
And that's what Heritage is putting forth in Donald Trump's
ear is all of the regressive policies. Whether you are
marginalized community, whether you're female. What this group wants, point
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blank is something Magna Mike Johnson turned around and said
they want a white Christian male, right dominated America, right
Christian nationalist, Russian nationalist America.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, you know, Mike, I put it this way, Donald Trump,
Donald Trump, now with the powers that he has and
the enabling that he's been given, is a drunk monkey
with hand grenades in AK forty seven, spinning in circles,
just shooting and blasting and making loud noises and laughing
the whole time. Heritage gave him the machine on the
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alcohol and the hand grenades, right, I mean literally designed
the destruction of America as a constitutional, inclusive, multicultural, multi lingual,
multi whatever you want democracy to a white supremacist led
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ethno Christian state, literally the handmaiden's tail, Okay. And it's
just fascinating to me how the difference the news media
is giving him.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, you brought that up. Let's not jump off of
that topic, Malcolm, Okay. I don't mean to you know,
hijack your you know your show.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I want you this is extremely this is an extremely
important topic.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know. We cannot we cannot just ignore the fact
that the media is complicit in all of this bullshit.
And I say that not respectfully either, all Right, I
say it as a means to explain why, for example,
our sub stack it's as many views as for example,
(24:37):
MSNBC or CNN that you know, my show, for example,
on YouTube, would bend mysells is number one in the
world on YouTube during that hour we beat everybody out.
Why Because with us, you're not getting the spin. We're
not worried about advertisers pulling money so that the companies
(24:58):
can't then you know, give dividends to their shareholders and
so on. This is this is not how you report
the news based upon who your advertisers are and whether
they're going to you know, pull their advertising budget from you.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Right, Yeah, you're beholder no one but the truth.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Right. And this is the biggest problem that we have.
I'll give you an example, and I and I love
the fact that you're doing this right, this this show
because it's so important when we watch these what do
we want to call them, these stupid press briefings of
(25:40):
Caroline Levitt where if you ask a question that she
doesn't like, the anger and the uh, the commentary which
is pre scripted, pre written. She does a great job
in protecting Trump, right, but you cannot defend the indefensible
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even worse than her press room briefings. When Trump did
these press conferences in the oval office or on the side,
when he starts to ask taking questions from individuals, or
on Air Force one, they are filled with so much misinformation, disinformation,
and mal information that you don't know whether to bang
(26:26):
your head against the wall or just to drill a
hole through your ears, because it is so infuriating when
the president of the United States has no compunction in
terms of lying to you to your face, point blank,
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saying stuff that we all know is not true. He
knows isn't true. But then again it fits into the narrative.
But why I blame the media? They don't call it out.
That's right, you know, I mean, welcome, ask me, ask
me a question. Let's roleplay this ship so that your listeners,
(27:07):
all right, your viewers understand just sure how disgusting this is.
And the fact that mainstream lamestream cable news media they
don't follow up with questions or do the right thing.
Ye around, Well, they're bullshit out. Pick yourself up and
walk out and say I'm not gonna report. I'm not
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gonna waste my time sitting here asking you questions. Knowing,
go ahead, let me show you what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Okay, okay, okay, because she gave a classic one yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
No, I mean not only I mean Caroline. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You just want a question on Trump, Mister Trump, mister Trump,
how did the call go with Vladimir Putin?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I thought it was a great call. It was actually,
you know, we spend you know, a lot of time,
you know, talking about it. I know he wants to
make a deal, right, you know, and uh, and you
know where going to continue and we will make a deal.
Putin wants to make a deal. And then you're saying
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to yourself, no, he doesn't, you know for a fact,
he doesn't. In fact, right after the call, he was
on his own Pravda television station, which in Russian means truth,
which has no semblance to the title of that news station.
But he's out there turning around saying that he intends
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to win this war. Now, let's break this down for
a second. Vladimir Putin thought that they were going to
win this war in three days. Equally as ludicrous was
Trump's comments about being able to bring this war to
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an end within twenty four hours of taking office, because
in his mind, Vladimir Putin respects him. So when a
journalist turns around and says to Trump, well, or maybe
they should say it more often, mister president. On August
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of twenty twenty four, part of your campaign slogan was
you were going to end this Russia Ukraine war in
twenty four hours. It's simple. Any great negotiator can do this, Sir.
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Those weren't my words, those are yours. Do you acknowledge
that diplomacy is more difficult than you were selling during
your campaign? Imagine the comment that you would get. You
would turn around and say, Malcolm, what company are you with?
(30:02):
And you say ABCCBS, you know, ANNMSNBC. Right, of course,
you ask a stupid question like that, Right, it's your
fake news. No, no, it's not fake news. And then
the problem is that journalist doesn't turn around and say
get up and say, mister President, let me say it
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once again, because somewhere along the line it's not registering
with you. These are not my words. It's not CNNMSNBC,
it's your words. Yes, it's your words. Now I'm more
than happy to google and show you the clip of
you saying it. If that, of course, refresh your memory, right.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You do you recall the interview that he had with
Irish news or Irish television in like twenty seventeen, twenty
eight no, twenty eighteen, when he was on his way
to to Helsinki and that woman ripped him a new
one every time he lied. He was all over him,
you know. And I don't think he's ever had a
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foreign interview since. But why why is it? Is everyone cowed?
It's not a question of complicit I think that that
they are terrified of losing their jobs and being kicked
out of the White House press room.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Well, okay, so I'd rather personally be kicked out of
the press room, not to the Oval office or right,
not even permitted on Air Force one, then to sit there.
Ask you a question, mister president. How was your breakfast
this morning? Oh it was great, it was great. You know,
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I'm the healthiest president ever. Just ask Ronnie Johnson, right,
you know his name is Jackson, right. But yeah, I
think things like things like that, that's what he wants.
He just wants to stand up there and he wants people.
You can play to them. You you uh, no, you
go ahead, don't say that to the president. You don't
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speak like that to the president. It's like, no, no,
I'm not being rude, sir, I'm not being just courteous.
I'm being factual on so and so dazed because these
journalists easily do their own homework. They write the questions out,
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do your fucking homework. Turn around and say this the
president on so and so date, on so and so
date again, repeat it on so and so date, and
repeat it on this date, this day, this day, this day,
this They just they this, they they they they date.
These are the words that you said, almost exact to
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one another, that you would be able to finish this war,
to fix, to settle this conflict, this war within twenty
four hours. You also brought up how stupid Joe Biden
in his administration was that it never would have happened
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under your leadership. Right again, will you acknowledge that diplomacy
is more difficult than what you anticipated? The simple answer,
how about just saying, yes, he can't do that, cannot
do that.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I know, I know, Caroline Levett. Yes, they pulled a
great one where the guy asked that, hey, you know,
the CBO says you're going to increase the deficit by
ex trillion dollars and right out of her mouth she goes, no,
it's not. And they scored this thing at like five
to ten trillion dollars or or something is going to
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explode the deficit. And as a cult they I mean,
she's the last person she talks to, right it is
supposed to be the president before she comes to that
press conference that I sit there and actually come to
an agreement or does she read the boss?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
No, no, no, there's no agreement. They give her a
talking points and she marches perfectly to it. Listen, she's
great at being bullshit. Barbie. By the way, I remember,
I've been around Trump for over fifteen years telling you
I've seen people come and go. I have never seen
anybody with her skill set of lives misinformation and disinformation
(34:39):
and the way that really really that she is hands
Oh my god, not even close, not even close. Sarah's
like on the thirty yard line, she's already scored the touchdown.
That's how heart that they are. But you know another
question that I get in soul that journalists don't turn
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around and ask, so, mister president, first you said it's
five trillion, and it's seven trillion. It could be ten
trillion coming in from foreign investments that you have already
brought into the United States. When you say that you've
brought it in, can you clarify whether there's actually ten
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trillion dollars of investible cash money sitting in a bank
account in the United States or are these actually verbal commitments?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
All right? But nobody, but nobody holds them to that.
And let me be right, not only is it not
in cash money all right? On top of that, they
don't even have legitimate commitments. Oh my god. He keeps
talking about the Boeing deal for like two hundred aircrafts,
(35:59):
right for some two hundred billion dollars deal. That's Boeing.
When did the United States become the owner or a
shareholder of Boeing. He's out there selling Boeing because he
has Boeing stock.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, ah, okay, So the corruption becomes very apparent, you know,
whenever it's in his personal interest. Listen, I know we
have limited time, and I have one question of dying
to ask you, because not only are your lawyer, you
know Donald Trump the best and now you've noticed the
differences and how he behaves. You know, I just came
(36:36):
from Greenland. They are very, very worried that he's going
to order an armed seizure because obviously people are going
to just surrender and bow down. They're very proud they
have Danish passports. There's a lot of Danes up there
that live in there. But what is his mindset towards
(36:57):
the use of military force. I've heard inflicting things that
he's afraid of forced he's afraid of having people killed,
or that you know now he's getting a taste for it,
or Stephen Miller will set you know, whisper in his
ear and go seized Greenland. Greatest you know, greatest president
to expand the size of the United States in US history.
(37:19):
What's your opinion?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Well, it's it's a great question, Malcolm. What Trump won't
do for a good Danish? I'm not really sure does
that mean that for me?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Jokes?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Black Man's not you know, does that does that mean
that you know, he's not a cheese Danish lover? It's
more of like a cinnamon cinnamon Danish. But I really
think do I think that he'll go so far as
to create an incursion? Uh, it's too early to say.
(37:52):
Like he would prefer that they just turn over the
country to right. The problem is, and you would know
this as a spy rights, as a you know, somebody
in that world, if in fact that there was an
incursion to take Greenland, who would come to Greenland's defense?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Well, that's real intelligence, right, he would have this, you
know when they talk about increasing intelligence collection on Denmark
and Greenland. That is really it's the only question that
he would need answered. You know, what will Denmark do?
What will the rest of NATO do? Will they write
(38:40):
me a letter? Will they invoke NATO Article four, which
is you know, supposed to be a negotiated agreement because
two NATO nations or you know, one is dealing in
the internal affairs of another, or is it Article five?
Whether they call for the collective armed defense exactly of Denmark.
(39:00):
Because this is, by the way, this ain't the American
seizure of Greenland. It's the American Danish war, right, that's
what it would be. Because there's cops, by the way,
there's cops there with guns. You're gonna have to kill
them or shoot them or seize them. And you know
(39:20):
you could do it with a special operations mission in
a matter of hours. You could if you have loyal troops.
A couple of hundred loyal troops. You could seize Nook Airport, Greenland,
in the city of Nook. It's about the size of pass.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
There's a mere sixty thousand people living in the entire
in the entire country.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
The things the size of the East Coat everything from
the Mississippi East.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I mean it is we have more police officers in
New York City than they have population. The tru would
not be this would not be some major, you know
war that would go on. This thing be over probably
before nightfall.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Unfortunately, they have Out of the sixty thousand people, they
have thirty thousand caribou hunting sniper rifles.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Well understood.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
My question is is he as bloody minded these days?
Does he have this imperial thing in his head where
he goes, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Steven Miller says, we can do this in an hour. Well,
the George chief staff says we can do it so
the users.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yes, he does have the imperial mindset, but no, I
don't believe that he wants the incursion. He wants the
imperial mindset. He wants the expansionist mindset, but he wants,
like with Canada, to become the fifty first state. Willingly
(40:52):
that Donald, that Donald asked for it, right, It's like
it's like Ramses from the movie Uh what he you know,
from the Commandments when he turns around. So it has
been said, so it shall be done. Right, Trump speaks
and he thinks that they're going to just hand over
(41:13):
a deed to Greenland, right, and it will now become
part of the United States of America on the same ideology,
in the same vision of Greenland. Trump sees that with
Canada as well. Canada also has a very limited military force.
(41:35):
So in his mind he thinks by threatening them by
saying we can take you over tomorrow, our salvation army
could kick your ass, right, that that means that Canada,
that CARNEYE or his predecessor, right, Trudeau, I'm going to
turn around and say Donald. They turn on. They manufacture
(42:00):
some gigantic Canadian key, right, made of solid golden diamonds,
and they get down on one knee with a velvet below,
and they turn it over to him. You know, oh,
Imperial Trump, right, you know, you know, you know the
return of the Lord's Child. You know, we present to
(42:23):
you the key to Canada. Please please welcome us into
your domain. That's what Trump is hoping for.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, well, okay, so I.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Think that any of this is going to happen. No
will he continue to talk about it?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yes? Okay, Well what happens if he doesn't get what
he wants? I mean, he's you know, he's got this
thing in his head now expanding the United States territory.
All of his psycho fans are popping up there. Steve
Bannon is supposed to be going there, so which means
that they're preparing the ground ground wark.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
But I hope he walked. Well, look, I know Steve
Bannon a pretty long time, and I can tell you
you know, sometimes Steve does things, or I should say
most of the time, he does things for publicity. Right,
So he's not going over there to what engage in
conversation with their parliament, you know, to discuss a peaceful
(43:23):
surrender on behalf of the United States of America, right
in violation of what the Hatch Act and the Logan
you know act. You know, you just can't do things
like that. They're not willing to turn it over. So
he's going there to make a statement, a visual statement
that he will then run on his podcast and his shows,
(43:44):
and so I showed Trump that he's still the loyal
Steve Banning because this is part of his idea. I
hope that he takes precautions because these folks are not
happy with this. Don Junior was smart with jd. Vance.
They stayed on the US military base. They didn't go
(44:06):
out as they said that they were doing. In order
to go meet the people. They had people brought in
who were already vetted, some of whom weren't even you know,
Greenlanders either. I mean that it's still show.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
That base is a thousand miles over ice. It's a
thousand miles to the capitol. That's how big this thing. Yeah,
the base would be like remote Maine and the capitol
would be Tampa, right, you know, only over a one
mile deep sheet of ice. There's nothing in between it also,
(44:41):
so I just find this fascinating. But well, I appreciate
your perspective on that, because I wanted to know, is
there are there people who are moving him because you know,
to see Force as a more viable alternative as president
now that he as the imperial president and the King
(45:02):
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Well, there are a lot of people that are doing it.
I mean, you know, let's not forget one of the
things that they're talking about right now is the Golden Dome.
And again I wrote in my subject, Yes, I wrote
in my subject, it's not the radioactive pelt that's attached
to the top of his head. We're talking about we're
(45:26):
talking about a defense system that would basically be a
fence over the entire you know, the entire country, to
protect us from ICBMs, from Russia, from Iran, from North
Korea and China. Right, yes, and I get it, I
get it. But of course it has to be gold
(45:48):
because Israel's iron dome. What's worth more iron or gold?
Iron is kind of like a wasted metal. It's what
it's what you use in order to you know, create
rebar Right.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
This is a trillion dollar give a money grab because
you can't defend against those things you can't.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Well yeah, I'm not sure about that, right. But here's
here's the point. Right now, the United States has how
many nuclear missiles? How many news by the thousand. Imagine
if only half of them were deployed, yes, and struck
(46:33):
the intended targets, or how about twenty percent or ten percent?
You would wipe out all humanity exactly, and you would
wipe out all of humanity. The earth would become uninhabitable. Right, so,
in their right mind wants to do such a thing.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Right the Madman theory. You know, a mutual assured destruction.
Russia is not going to chuck. It's five thousand whistles attus.
And if you spend a trillion dollars a year, it
doesn't matter gets through end of the world. Right.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Well, let me take one thing even further for your
viewers and your listeners here, even if none of them
get through, they manage to create this golden dome and
you end up destroying all of these nuclear warheads in
(47:36):
the air. What happens to the nuclear fallout?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, you need that.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
You think that it has to hit the ground in
order for it to become damaging. In fact, how stupid
that nobody so far has called them out and said,
do you know that if hypothetically the nuke goes off
in North Korea? You understand that the United States shares
(48:02):
oxygen right with North Korea. So yeah, maybe it's going
to be worse for them. But you're contaminating the air
which circulates the entire globe, which means that it ultimately
ends up in your food supply, in your water supply,
and so on. It is mutually assured destruction right humanity.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
And also electromagnetic pulse is just a nuke going off
before interception at an angle over your target, so they
could black out. They could send us back to the
nineteenth century, right the beginning of the nineteenth century with
you know, with exception of a few military bases before
the interceptors could ever even get there. And then that
(48:49):
you could have air space bursts, you know, a high
altitude nuclear bursts which would rain down radioactivity. This is
a crazy story. My point is that you know that
somebody has gotten into Trump's head and said, hey, there's
bowloads of money that we could have here, even though
(49:09):
a golden dome system just wouldn't be work or viable.
But not a trillion.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
It's yeah, five hundred billion and a half a trillion
a year. In my substack. The other day I wrote
about it. I turned around, I said, let me be
very clear about something. That five hundred billion dollars, if
put to use, would eradicate homelessness in America.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
It would fund every single program from snaps, to children's
food programs, to education in every single state school. It
would it would literally give you the ability to rebuild
every bridge, every road, every tunnel that's right now in
(49:54):
need of major repair. It would it would be able
to provide broadband to every single home in America for free.
So I have an idea. I have an idea. Let's
waste it on something that will never be used, should
never be used. We already have enough military might to
(50:16):
crack the earth in hand, right, what more do we need?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I don't know, but I will tell you this. This
reminds me of something I heard about Vladimir Putin, which
is there will You know, Putin wants to be this
imperial president, but he will never have a Putino Burg right,
there will never be after he dies, any monument to him.
Donald Trump Elon Musk saying thing Elon Musk never. It's
just he's gonna fade from history, you know. But Donald
(50:45):
Trump isn't getting his face on Mount Rushmore because he
decided to peace through strength and iron dome and destroy
the fabric of America. But I think his enablers all
are to telling him he's going up next to Lincoln.
You know, if you build iron Dome, if you get
(51:05):
this airplane from guitar, the alternate reality that they live
in does not compute with the real reality the other
eight billion people in this world. He could have been
like Elon Musk. You could have been like you know,
Steve Jones or or or you know, you know the
president of the owner of Microsoft is name's telling me
(51:27):
right now.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Bill Gates.
Speaker 5 (51:29):
And he could have said, I'm eliminating yellow fever coolera
in malaria in Africa, and he would be honored and haled.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
But he's got this thing in his head and and
and none of us can penetrate that. So with that,
I just want to let you go. We went over.
But I love listening to you. And now listen. For
everybody who is hearing the sound of my voice or
seeing me in a podcast, please go to the Mia
Culpa podcast. Michael Cohen spouts off his words of wisdoms
(52:05):
all the time. His sub stack is incredible. I'm now
I'm going to go read that article about iron Dome
because I knew about it. I knew about it from
the you know, from the professional view. How do you launch,
you know, counter launch against ballistic missiles?
Speaker 1 (52:19):
But you're right.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
The man could have been a mention of humanity, could.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Have been amational president like this country hasn't seen in
a long time.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, let's just turround and say that he's not standard
and that could actually have been a good thing. But
his his non traditional nature is being used not to
aid America, not to help the world, but to destroy it.
(52:53):
And well, to be honest with you, knowing him as
well as I do, I don't understand why he's doing this.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
To you know, to quote the immortal movie Batman.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Some people just want to burn the world.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Want to see the world burn. Yeah, and enjoy the show.
That's the part that they didn't put in a movie, right, Michael,
thank you for coming on The black Man's By podcast.
It was super interesting and engaging and I'm glad I
listened to it. I really really have to go see
your substack now to read that article and all your
other articles and listen to your substack lives. I love
(53:32):
being on with you and left every Thursday in the
Unleashed portion Substack Unleashed and your YouTube channel. Your YouTube
channel is with Ben Micellas, right, and that's also me
a Koppa.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
That is not this called political beatdown.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Political beatdown, that's a great name, but I really wish
we had more time. We're going to have you back again.
I'm certain time in the future, because you know, chaos
and mayhem comes in all shapes and forms. But you're
one of the very few people whenever I say I
know someone that knows Trump, I'm talking about you, and
(54:10):
I think that people are not listening to you because
the juxtaposition of how he was and how he is
today is valuable information. So thank you for coming on again.
Oh waits, thanks for giving us.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
This our always see you soon, brother, all right.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Take care of brou It travels. That was yet another
incredible segment. I don't know how I get these guests.
I don't know why they like me, but they like
to come on, and you know, you know, guys like
Michael Cohen and Glenn Kershner and you know, Brian Tyler Cohen.
It's just absolutely amazing and I'm glad that you can
(54:46):
be here for this week's episode of black Man Spot.
Be sure to tune in next week. This one will
be amazing. It is. If you're watching on YouTube, it'll
have the footage from Greenland and the you know people
that I interviewed and discussions about what is going on
in the crisis between Greenland and the United States, and
(55:11):
you will find it is now turned into this amazing
travelogue where I walk and talk and actually catch fish
for their row with Greenlanders and and and show you
a beautiful, pristine country which for some strange reason, uh,
(55:31):
the United States has decided they're just going to take.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
So that being said, I will give you and lead you.
Leave you with the quote of the week, and the
quote of the week almost invariably all black Man Spy
comes from Rudyard Kipling. Because I am a proud member
of the Kipling Society, and that very small group of
(55:56):
people in England and around the world, I'm certain of
appreciate that you can all join the Kipling Society if
you wish. But I love the writings of Rudyard Kipling,
and this one is one for all of us. He right,
the individual has always had to struggle to keep from
being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you
(56:19):
will be lonely often and sometimes frightened. But no price
is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
With that I want to thank you for coming on
Black Man Spy because I know you're the kind of
person who knows that there is no price too high
(56:43):
for owning yourself and learning what is going on in
the world around you. And it's not always just geopolitics.
It's sometimes cultural, personal, linguistic, and philosophical, spiritual, and that
those components are all key elements of understanding the world
(57:09):
around you. And that's called intelligence, and it's a critical
component of understanding not only the Black Men's Spies, but
all the other kind of people who are operating in
the intelligence community trying to bring you that ground truth.
So be sure to tune back in next week on Apple,
(57:31):
Spotify YouTube. Come see me on substack. I've been doing
a day to day analysis of what I've been doing,
showing pictures and videos, especially the video of me going
through and Iceberg Field for seven hours. Man, was that entertaining.
You know, when distress gets too hard, you just go
to sleep and then you wake up and you're still
(57:52):
in the crisis. That's sort of what happened to me.
But you will enjoy that because it will be a
fascinating study. So thank you again, and I hope to
see you back here next week.
I don't hate Donald Trump for being Donald Trump. I
hate the policies that he is enacting with these executive
orders that, by the way, he didn't design, he didn't investigate,
he didn't do homework on, he hasn't read memos of
briefings on. This is all coming out of Project twenty
(00:24):
twenty five, and anybody that thinks that I'm wrong, I
beg you go read Project twenty twenty five. It's a
nine hundred and twenty two page manifesto on how to
destroy America's democracy and turn it into an authoritarian regime.
That's just what it is, and they are doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's underway.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I won it's a playbook.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is Black Man Spy. Welcome to this week's episode
a Black Man's Spy. I'm Malcolm Nance. I'm the host
of Black Man's Spy. You might notice that I am
in a dull environment with Ikea like decor, and that
I'm wearing my blazer but with a pigh collar center
zip a black wool shirt. That's because I'm in arguably Scandinavia.
(01:26):
I am in Copenhagen, Denmark, in the Heller Rope section,
the swanky Hello Rope section of town doing interviews with
people for our next major podcast, which will be an
enormous study of Greenland, which is where I've been for
the last couple of weeks. But today I'm going to
(01:46):
jump right back into American politics, because everything that's happening
in America is impacting every one of you. And you go, WHOA, Malcolm,
this is black man's sply I want to hear about espionage. Well, well, funny,
you should mention it. If you got no rights, you
might want to worry about espionage being carried out on you. Right,
(02:10):
if you were going down the street and you see
men in unmarked mommy vans with mass pulled over their face,
with no identifying badges or even their names, and only
the word police on you or Ice written on them,
like the East German Stasse, like the Argentinian secret police,
(02:32):
like the Chilean secret police, you can be essentially kidnapped
as an American citizen, thrown into a van, deported to
a foreign country. And I understand that that has happened
a couple of times in the last week alone.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
As a matter of fact, there's famous case of a
US citizen was sent to an ICE detention facility and
he was born in the United States, raised in the
United States, foreign languages, he just looked a certain way.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And it took a week for him to be released
from a private prison by ice when his family showed
up with his birth certificate, ID cards and all that stuff.
Everything that occurs in the United States has its impact
within the world of black man spy. And don't forget
(03:25):
that it was the spymaster in chief, the original President
of the United States, George Washington, who established and guided
and got the Constitution passed and viewed it as an
imperfect but inviable document because we are a nation of laws,
(03:46):
and right now we have lawmakers who don't even know
what those laws are. Like I'm looking at you, Christ
You know me. You're the one who said you didn't
know what habeas corpus was this week or we're going
to discuss that was our next guest, Michael Cohen, Donald
Trump's former attorney who he was with him for fifteen years,
(04:08):
day and night, and he is going to lead us
through for the next forty five minutes or so, an
amazing discussion about what is going on in America while
I was away. So with that, let's see what Michael
has to say, Welcome to this edition to black Man's Spy,
(04:29):
and I want to introduce my good friend and this
week's guest, Michael Cohen. I have to read his whole
bio here, so bear with me because it's huge. Michael
Cohen is principle of Crisis X, a crisis management company.
He acted his personal attorney for the former President of
the United States known as Donald J. Trump, and before
(04:52):
that was Executive Vice President for the Trump Organization and
the Special Council to Donald J. Trump. Since his release
from the Otisville Federal Directional Institution, he has authored to
New York Times bestseller Disloyal, a memoir and revenge how
Donald Trump weaponized the US Department of Justice against his critics,
which is going to need an update when I'm in there.
(05:14):
He also hosts the top rated news podcast Mia Coupo
with Michael Cohen, and co hosts the politic podcast Political
Beatdown and Our Substack live every Thursday with the reviewers
of Artist Unleashed, which I like to call two felons
in a Spy. Welcome to the black Man Spy Podcast.
(05:36):
I have my official I'm a host code on I'm
wearing my collar up Scandinavian style, so I look like
I play in a nineteen eighties you know, electric a
European electric band, right.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Literally right out of right, right out of Miamivice, dude,
nineteen eighties, Malcolm Nance.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
The glasses are around here somewhere. Well, welcome listen. I
know your time is precious and I am just so
happy you come on my podcast. And I love doing
Mia Culpa. Mia Culpa is, without a doubt, one of
the best political podcasts out there.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You know very well. I mean, in fact, we're pretty
close to like five hundred million downloads, if not already
exceed on it should. But then again, I've been doing
it now for literally five years. Started Mia Colpa, which
is also my initials, which is how I came up
with the name. But I started it while I was
on home confinement, basically so that I can have my
(06:36):
voice resonate to America to continue to warn America of
exactly what we see going on right now every single day,
the chaos in DC.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, and to be honest, you quite arguably were the
first victim of Donald Trump actually weaponizing the Department of
Justice against an individual because of you know, not just
what you know, what you did. None of what you
did was arguably illegal, but they certainly got it to
where they put you in prison.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Right, Yeah, it wasn't just prison. They put me back
into solitary confinement, making it a total of fifty one
days and all for what. Because I refused to waive
my First Amendment constitutional right, because I refused to sign
a document that was counterfeit by the Department of Corrections
(07:35):
under the austice and control of the Department of Justice
Bill Barr, and I refused to sign a fake federal
location monitoring agreement. I was remanded by the marshals after
being placed for like three hours into a freezer, and
then sent back up to Otisville, where, thanks again to
(07:57):
my attorney don Ya Perry and many people who jumped
on board, filed a habeas petition, right, a habeas corpus petition.
And I bring this up for obvious reasons to those
people that followed the news. We filed this habeas petition,
which by the way, was granted. You know something a
(08:17):
lot of people don't know. I'm going to just digress
for a quick second. Tens of thousands of habeas petitions
are filed each and every year, and like less than
two percent actually are granted. So the reason that I
say that is because mine was such a clear violation
(08:39):
that Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein determined that the actions by
Bill Barr under the Trump administration and the unconstitutional remand
of me was retaliatory because I refused to waive my
First Amendment constitutional right and not publish the book Disloyal,
which turned out to be number one on the New
(09:00):
York Times Bestseller and then speak to the media about
that book. That's what that's what it was all about.
I mean, it's truly hard to imagine, but I bring
up the habeas simply because you may have recently seen
well not you because you're away right now, but you know,
one of the things that Stephen Miller, right from Trump's
(09:22):
administration is talking about is actually doing away with habeas
petitions altogether, which, by the way, is nothing shy of
a due process violation. I mean, it's remarkable to me
you're not talking about every habeas petition or ninety percent
(09:44):
of habeas petitions that have filed are granted. Out of
like every ten thousand, maybe five ten are actually granted,
give or take. So You're not talking about some crazy
you know, number in impro upper usage of habeas, you know,
and to want to do away with it simply so
(10:05):
that the administration can do away with any violations, any
challenges in the court for their unconstitutional actions. And again,
I'm gonna do the Trump I'm gonna do the Trump weave.
I'm gonna bring it all together. Look at what's going
on right now, right, Look at what's going on Malcolm
(10:28):
right now with New Jersey where they went after the
mayor right ross Baraka. They ended up just dropping the charges.
But now they're going after the congresswoman La Monica, right,
you know, they're they're going after her for violating the
(10:49):
Ice detention facility even though she had the right to
be there, absolutely legal right to be there. Look at
what they you know, they're doing for example, like in
Chicago and in other places as well. You know where
they're going after you know, judges, they're going after members
(11:10):
of Congress, They're going after individuals. Look at even what
they're doing to these students based upon illegal protesting. I mean,
these as concepts are not just dangerous, they're unconstitutional. They're
(11:30):
violative of our laws. They're violative of due process, and
the only way in many of these cases to get
due process is to bring a habeas petition before the courts.
So if you go away with them, what do you got,
what's your You know.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I actually had been following all of that because, believe me,
I had to. You cannot close your eyes to news
of what's going on in the United States when you're overseas,
all right, you come back and you know, be arrested
on spot. But I saw today a video clip of
I believe with Senator Hassan of Minnesota. No, not Minnesota,
(12:09):
she's from New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And she was grilling Christino yesterday and Christina she asked
her straight, do you know what habeas corpus is? And
she goes, Habeas corpus is an absolute right that the
President of the United States has to execute against you know,
American citizens, And the senator was floored. She goes, no, No,
(12:33):
you're wrong, that is not what it is, you know,
And you know, Noam was saying that this is a hayby.
This woman is so ignorant. She's saying, habeas corpus is
a power of the president, as opposed to it being
what you just said, right, the right to show that
(12:54):
there is a crime that has been committed and that
you have a right to that process. So here's the
head of Department of Homeland Security, which, by the way, Michael,
I don't know if you've been in an airport recently
trying to get on an international flight, but as you're
going through the security checkpoints at JFK, they play a
video of her with her goldielocks or whatever, over and over,
(13:19):
you know, of Christine Obs like she's some sort of
reality talking about Department of Homeland Securities responsibility for keeping
America safe, you know. And the only thing that was
missing where the you know, was the green screen picture
of the Seacott prison in El Salvador, Right. And I
wanted to ask the TSA agents because you know, they're
(13:39):
all frustrated. You know, you got to sit here and
watch this over your head all day, right, literally, Christy no,
but yes, say she couldn't tell you the definition of
habeas corpus. And then when Senator Hassan said, well, do
you support habeas corpus, she went into her little banter
and finally senat her house and goes, no, I'm asking
you do you will you be in your department, recognize
(14:04):
abs Corpus and she would not say yes, you know,
she went into her little well, it's a right of
the president to da da da da oh my god
like behavior, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So, you know, Malcolm, on our sub stack Thursday, we
we actually spoke about the cosplay that's place right now
in this administration. You know, when you see Christinoma, as
an example, getting dressed up in ice gear holding a
fully automatic AR fifteen, standing in front of a bunch
(14:40):
of stripped out men in there, you know, down to
their boxers, with all of their tattoos, you know, and
so on, basically guest lighting the American public to continue
to believe the nonsense that's coming out of this administration
that these folks, all of them, every single one of
(15:02):
them a murderers, drug dealers, rapists, they're animals, the gang
members and so on, when we already know that. I
think it's sixty percent of them that have been disappeared
have no criminal record at all. And that's the point,
(15:23):
you know, I talked about in my substack posts the
other day when I wrote on this, and I was like,
you know, in the Torah, we always talk about that
to save one life is like saving the world.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, all humanity, and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
In the mid rush. And how to tell you this
is what we are all doing. And I don't want
to sound, you know, silly, and I don't want to
sound being hyperbolic. Our goal, you me lev folks like Norm,
(16:08):
like Harry Litman, like Rick Wilson, like Don Lemon, like
Jim Acosta, like my buddy Jolly good Ginger. Our goal
is to build like the Midas Touch network right right
with Ben Jordi and Brett. Our goal is to build
a massive, massive community. When you say why, because only
(16:32):
by creating a ballot box revolution does this democratic Republic
have a shot. And you know, I warned everybody in
twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, two years before it happened, that
my biggest fear is that if Donald Trump lost the election,
that there would never be a peaceful transfer in power.
(16:54):
And holy shit, exactly what I said came true. I
also told you that he would never want to give
up power and he has no intellig that he has
no respect for the law or the constitution. Now, let
me be clear one thing I say all the time
as well, I don't hate Donald Trump for being Donald Trump.
(17:19):
I hate the policies that he is enacting with these
executive orders that, by the way, he didn't design, He
didn't he didn't you know, investigate, he didn't do homework on.
He hasn't read memos of briefings on. This is all
coming out of Project twenty twenty five. And anybody that
(17:42):
thinks that I'm wrong, I beg you go read Project
twenty twenty five. It's a nine hundred and twenty two
page manifest though on how to destroy America's democracy and
turn it into an authoritarian regime. And they are doing it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's underway by one. It's a playbook, right, yeah, and
it's happening. It's happening. It's just before I My my
favorite part of this is the utter shamelessness. And we
talked about this all the time. They have a masters
of the Universe attitude. They own America and by extension,
(18:23):
they think they own the world, and they will do
whatever the fuck they want to do. And that's why
Trump is making all these you know, statements by fiat. Right.
But you know, I think you said that this wasn't
always the way he did business, right, No, And.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That sends me to be very honest with you. It
sends me because this isn't the Donald Trump that I knew. Yeah,
we fucked over contractors. If there is any of your followers, right,
your listeners that turn around and say, oh my god,
I can't believe you fucked over a contract to fuck
you all right, let me be very if they didn't
do the right job. By the way, even if they
(19:02):
did do the right job, that's the nature of New
York real estate. Every single real estate developer will turn
around and tell you the same thing. The contractors they
start out, they overcharge you because they know that at
the end that they are going to get fucked out
of twenty percent to the deal. That's just common right. Okay,
maybe we went a little overboard and we fucked them
(19:23):
for a lot more than that, But nobody cares about
the contractors, or the painters, or or the suppliers. That
is nothing. It has no effect upon your life. What
does have effect upon your life is due process. What
does upon your life is a president who's willing to
accept a four hundred million dollar gift and think it's okay.
(19:46):
It's not okay. It's also to have a president that
doesn't believe that people should have First Amendment constitutional rights.
If in fact they are critical of him, it's not okay.
It's not okay to have a president who turns around
and believes, you know, women shouldn't have their own reproductive
decision making rights, or black and brown people shouldn't even
(20:10):
have the right to vote, or that you know, I
mean on and on, and that people don't have the
right to peacefully protest simply because it's a belief that
you don't want out there, because your base, your magabase
isn't in lockstep with it. These are not normal. These
aren't even Trump ideologies. He's cost playing president using Heritage
(20:34):
Foundation as the guide. And by the way, he's not moral,
he's not religious. He's just Donald. He's a self motivated narcissist.
And that's okay. There are plenty of it. In fact,
most politicians are narcissists if you think about it, just
from the very essence you think that you should be
(20:57):
a leader of this country. What a narcissistic ideology? Well,
they all have a form of narcissism. His goes to
a whole nother level. But so what, he was elected
president of the United States, and I say this, and
I truly mean it. As president of the United States,
(21:18):
he has the right to implement policy that he believes
is right for this country. And nobody has the right
to tell the president that your policy right is, you know,
is wrong. Every president has the right to put forth
their agenda. However, where I draw the line on that
(21:40):
one is when that agenda is both unconstitutional and designed
within which to destroy our democratic republic. Look, let me
be very clear. There are dozens of policies that George
Bush was putting forth, Barack Obama, right, and so Trump
(22:04):
in his or Bush one, or even Ronald Reagan right.
I mean, you know, there are dozens of policies. There
are ones that I like and ones that I dislike.
But we have to draw the line when it comes
to policies that make us regress back to fifty sixty
(22:25):
one hundred years. We're supposed to be progressing, not regressing.
And that's what Heritage is putting forth in Donald Trump's
ear is all of the regressive policies. Whether you are
marginalized community, whether you're female. What this group wants, point
(22:45):
blank is something Magna Mike Johnson turned around and said
they want a white Christian male, right dominated America, right
Christian nationalist, Russian nationalist America.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, you know, Mike, I put it this way, Donald Trump,
Donald Trump, now with the powers that he has and
the enabling that he's been given, is a drunk monkey
with hand grenades in AK forty seven, spinning in circles,
just shooting and blasting and making loud noises and laughing
the whole time. Heritage gave him the machine on the
(23:23):
alcohol and the hand grenades, right, I mean literally designed
the destruction of America as a constitutional, inclusive, multicultural, multi lingual,
multi whatever you want democracy to a white supremacist led
(23:46):
ethno Christian state, literally the handmaiden's tail, Okay. And it's
just fascinating to me how the difference the news media
is giving him.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, you brought that up. Let's not jump off of
that topic, Malcolm, Okay. I don't mean to you know,
hijack your you know your show.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I want you this is extremely this is an extremely
important topic.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know. We cannot we cannot just ignore the fact
that the media is complicit in all of this bullshit.
And I say that not respectfully either, all Right, I
say it as a means to explain why, for example,
our sub stack it's as many views as for example,
(24:37):
MSNBC or CNN that you know, my show, for example,
on YouTube, would bend mysells is number one in the
world on YouTube during that hour we beat everybody out.
Why Because with us, you're not getting the spin. We're
not worried about advertisers pulling money so that the companies
(24:58):
can't then you know, give dividends to their shareholders and
so on. This is this is not how you report
the news based upon who your advertisers are and whether
they're going to you know, pull their advertising budget from you.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Right, Yeah, you're beholder no one but the truth.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Right. And this is the biggest problem that we have.
I'll give you an example, and I and I love
the fact that you're doing this right, this this show
because it's so important when we watch these what do
we want to call them, these stupid press briefings of
(25:40):
Caroline Levitt where if you ask a question that she
doesn't like, the anger and the uh, the commentary which
is pre scripted, pre written. She does a great job
in protecting Trump, right, but you cannot defend the indefensible
(26:01):
even worse than her press room briefings. When Trump did
these press conferences in the oval office or on the side,
when he starts to ask taking questions from individuals, or
on Air Force one, they are filled with so much misinformation, disinformation,
and mal information that you don't know whether to bang
(26:26):
your head against the wall or just to drill a
hole through your ears, because it is so infuriating when
the president of the United States has no compunction in
terms of lying to you to your face, point blank,
(26:46):
saying stuff that we all know is not true. He
knows isn't true. But then again it fits into the narrative.
But why I blame the media? They don't call it out.
That's right, you know, I mean, welcome, ask me, ask
me a question. Let's roleplay this ship so that your listeners,
(27:07):
all right, your viewers understand just sure how disgusting this is.
And the fact that mainstream lamestream cable news media they
don't follow up with questions or do the right thing.
Ye around, Well, they're bullshit out. Pick yourself up and
walk out and say I'm not gonna report. I'm not
(27:28):
gonna waste my time sitting here asking you questions. Knowing,
go ahead, let me show you what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Okay, okay, okay, because she gave a classic one yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
No, I mean not only I mean Caroline. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You just want a question on Trump, Mister Trump, mister Trump,
how did the call go with Vladimir Putin?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I thought it was a great call. It was actually,
you know, we spend you know, a lot of time,
you know, talking about it. I know he wants to
make a deal, right, you know, and uh, and you
know where going to continue and we will make a deal.
Putin wants to make a deal. And then you're saying
(28:09):
to yourself, no, he doesn't, you know for a fact,
he doesn't. In fact, right after the call, he was
on his own Pravda television station, which in Russian means truth,
which has no semblance to the title of that news station.
But he's out there turning around saying that he intends
(28:32):
to win this war. Now, let's break this down for
a second. Vladimir Putin thought that they were going to
win this war in three days. Equally as ludicrous was
Trump's comments about being able to bring this war to
(28:54):
an end within twenty four hours of taking office, because
in his mind, Vladimir Putin respects him. So when a
journalist turns around and says to Trump, well, or maybe
they should say it more often, mister president. On August
(29:18):
of twenty twenty four, part of your campaign slogan was
you were going to end this Russia Ukraine war in
twenty four hours. It's simple. Any great negotiator can do this, Sir.
(29:41):
Those weren't my words, those are yours. Do you acknowledge
that diplomacy is more difficult than you were selling during
your campaign? Imagine the comment that you would get. You
would turn around and say, Malcolm, what company are you with?
(30:02):
And you say ABCCBS, you know, ANNMSNBC. Right, of course,
you ask a stupid question like that, Right, it's your
fake news. No, no, it's not fake news. And then
the problem is that journalist doesn't turn around and say
get up and say, mister President, let me say it
(30:24):
once again, because somewhere along the line it's not registering
with you. These are not my words. It's not CNNMSNBC,
it's your words. Yes, it's your words. Now I'm more
than happy to google and show you the clip of
you saying it. If that, of course, refresh your memory, right.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You do you recall the interview that he had with
Irish news or Irish television in like twenty seventeen, twenty
eight no, twenty eighteen, when he was on his way
to to Helsinki and that woman ripped him a new
one every time he lied. He was all over him,
you know. And I don't think he's ever had a
(31:09):
foreign interview since. But why why is it? Is everyone cowed?
It's not a question of complicit I think that that
they are terrified of losing their jobs and being kicked
out of the White House press room.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Well, okay, so I'd rather personally be kicked out of
the press room, not to the Oval office or right,
not even permitted on Air Force one, then to sit there.
Ask you a question, mister president. How was your breakfast
this morning? Oh it was great, it was great. You know,
(31:46):
I'm the healthiest president ever. Just ask Ronnie Johnson, right,
you know his name is Jackson, right. But yeah, I
think things like things like that, that's what he wants.
He just wants to stand up there and he wants people.
You can play to them. You you uh, no, you
go ahead, don't say that to the president. You don't
(32:10):
speak like that to the president. It's like, no, no,
I'm not being rude, sir, I'm not being just courteous.
I'm being factual on so and so dazed because these
journalists easily do their own homework. They write the questions out,
(32:31):
do your fucking homework. Turn around and say this the
president on so and so date, on so and so
date again, repeat it on so and so date, and
repeat it on this date, this day, this day, this day,
this They just they this, they they they they date.
These are the words that you said, almost exact to
(32:51):
one another, that you would be able to finish this war,
to fix, to settle this conflict, this war within twenty
four hours. You also brought up how stupid Joe Biden
in his administration was that it never would have happened
(33:13):
under your leadership. Right again, will you acknowledge that diplomacy
is more difficult than what you anticipated? The simple answer,
how about just saying, yes, he can't do that, cannot
do that.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I know, I know, Caroline Levett. Yes, they pulled a
great one where the guy asked that, hey, you know,
the CBO says you're going to increase the deficit by
ex trillion dollars and right out of her mouth she goes, no,
it's not. And they scored this thing at like five
to ten trillion dollars or or something is going to
(33:56):
explode the deficit. And as a cult they I mean,
she's the last person she talks to, right it is
supposed to be the president before she comes to that
press conference that I sit there and actually come to
an agreement or does she read the boss?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
No, no, no, there's no agreement. They give her a
talking points and she marches perfectly to it. Listen, she's
great at being bullshit. Barbie. By the way, I remember,
I've been around Trump for over fifteen years telling you
I've seen people come and go. I have never seen
anybody with her skill set of lives misinformation and disinformation
(34:39):
and the way that really really that she is hands
Oh my god, not even close, not even close. Sarah's
like on the thirty yard line, she's already scored the touchdown.
That's how heart that they are. But you know another
question that I get in soul that journalists don't turn
(35:01):
around and ask, so, mister president, first you said it's
five trillion, and it's seven trillion. It could be ten
trillion coming in from foreign investments that you have already
brought into the United States. When you say that you've
brought it in, can you clarify whether there's actually ten
(35:23):
trillion dollars of investible cash money sitting in a bank
account in the United States or are these actually verbal commitments?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
All right? But nobody, but nobody holds them to that.
And let me be right, not only is it not
in cash money all right? On top of that, they
don't even have legitimate commitments. Oh my god. He keeps
talking about the Boeing deal for like two hundred aircrafts,
(35:59):
right for some two hundred billion dollars deal. That's Boeing.
When did the United States become the owner or a
shareholder of Boeing. He's out there selling Boeing because he
has Boeing stock.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, ah, okay, So the corruption becomes very apparent, you know,
whenever it's in his personal interest. Listen, I know we
have limited time, and I have one question of dying
to ask you, because not only are your lawyer, you
know Donald Trump the best and now you've noticed the
differences and how he behaves. You know, I just came
(36:36):
from Greenland. They are very, very worried that he's going
to order an armed seizure because obviously people are going
to just surrender and bow down. They're very proud they
have Danish passports. There's a lot of Danes up there
that live in there. But what is his mindset towards
(36:57):
the use of military force. I've heard inflicting things that
he's afraid of forced he's afraid of having people killed,
or that you know now he's getting a taste for it,
or Stephen Miller will set you know, whisper in his
ear and go seized Greenland. Greatest you know, greatest president
to expand the size of the United States in US history.
(37:19):
What's your opinion?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Well, it's it's a great question, Malcolm. What Trump won't
do for a good Danish? I'm not really sure does
that mean that for me?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Jokes?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Black Man's not you know, does that does that mean
that you know, he's not a cheese Danish lover? It's
more of like a cinnamon cinnamon Danish. But I really
think do I think that he'll go so far as
to create an incursion? Uh, it's too early to say.
(37:52):
Like he would prefer that they just turn over the
country to right. The problem is, and you would know
this as a spy rights, as a you know, somebody
in that world, if in fact that there was an
incursion to take Greenland, who would come to Greenland's defense?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Well, that's real intelligence, right, he would have this, you
know when they talk about increasing intelligence collection on Denmark
and Greenland. That is really it's the only question that
he would need answered. You know, what will Denmark do?
What will the rest of NATO do? Will they write
(38:40):
me a letter? Will they invoke NATO Article four, which
is you know, supposed to be a negotiated agreement because
two NATO nations or you know, one is dealing in
the internal affairs of another, or is it Article five?
Whether they call for the collective armed defense exactly of Denmark.
(39:00):
Because this is, by the way, this ain't the American
seizure of Greenland. It's the American Danish war, right, that's
what it would be. Because there's cops, by the way,
there's cops there with guns. You're gonna have to kill
them or shoot them or seize them. And you know
(39:20):
you could do it with a special operations mission in
a matter of hours. You could if you have loyal troops.
A couple of hundred loyal troops. You could seize Nook Airport, Greenland,
in the city of Nook. It's about the size of pass.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
There's a mere sixty thousand people living in the entire
in the entire country.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
The things the size of the East Coat everything from
the Mississippi East.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I mean it is we have more police officers in
New York City than they have population. The tru would
not be this would not be some major, you know
war that would go on. This thing be over probably
before nightfall.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Unfortunately, they have Out of the sixty thousand people, they
have thirty thousand caribou hunting sniper rifles.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Well understood.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
My question is is he as bloody minded these days?
Does he have this imperial thing in his head where
he goes, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Steven Miller says, we can do this in an hour. Well,
the George chief staff says we can do it so
the users.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yes, he does have the imperial mindset, but no, I
don't believe that he wants the incursion. He wants the
imperial mindset. He wants the expansionist mindset, but he wants,
like with Canada, to become the fifty first state. Willingly
(40:52):
that Donald, that Donald asked for it, right, It's like
it's like Ramses from the movie Uh what he you know,
from the Commandments when he turns around. So it has
been said, so it shall be done. Right, Trump speaks
and he thinks that they're going to just hand over
(41:13):
a deed to Greenland, right, and it will now become
part of the United States of America on the same ideology,
in the same vision of Greenland. Trump sees that with
Canada as well. Canada also has a very limited military force.
(41:35):
So in his mind he thinks by threatening them by
saying we can take you over tomorrow, our salvation army
could kick your ass, right, that that means that Canada,
that CARNEYE or his predecessor, right, Trudeau, I'm going to
turn around and say Donald. They turn on. They manufacture
(42:00):
some gigantic Canadian key, right, made of solid golden diamonds,
and they get down on one knee with a velvet below,
and they turn it over to him. You know, oh,
Imperial Trump, right, you know, you know, you know the
return of the Lord's Child. You know, we present to
(42:23):
you the key to Canada. Please please welcome us into
your domain. That's what Trump is hoping for.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, well, okay, so I.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Think that any of this is going to happen. No
will he continue to talk about it?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yes? Okay, Well what happens if he doesn't get what
he wants? I mean, he's you know, he's got this
thing in his head now expanding the United States territory.
All of his psycho fans are popping up there. Steve
Bannon is supposed to be going there, so which means
that they're preparing the ground ground wark.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
But I hope he walked. Well, look, I know Steve
Bannon a pretty long time, and I can tell you
you know, sometimes Steve does things, or I should say
most of the time, he does things for publicity. Right,
So he's not going over there to what engage in
conversation with their parliament, you know, to discuss a peaceful
(43:23):
surrender on behalf of the United States of America, right
in violation of what the Hatch Act and the Logan
you know act. You know, you just can't do things
like that. They're not willing to turn it over. So
he's going there to make a statement, a visual statement
that he will then run on his podcast and his shows,
(43:44):
and so I showed Trump that he's still the loyal
Steve Banning because this is part of his idea. I
hope that he takes precautions because these folks are not
happy with this. Don Junior was smart with jd. Vance.
They stayed on the US military base. They didn't go
(44:06):
out as they said that they were doing. In order
to go meet the people. They had people brought in
who were already vetted, some of whom weren't even you know,
Greenlanders either. I mean that it's still show.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
That base is a thousand miles over ice. It's a
thousand miles to the capitol. That's how big this thing. Yeah,
the base would be like remote Maine and the capitol
would be Tampa, right, you know, only over a one
mile deep sheet of ice. There's nothing in between it also,
(44:41):
so I just find this fascinating. But well, I appreciate
your perspective on that, because I wanted to know, is
there are there people who are moving him because you know,
to see Force as a more viable alternative as president
now that he as the imperial president and the King
(45:02):
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Well, there are a lot of people that are doing it.
I mean, you know, let's not forget one of the
things that they're talking about right now is the Golden Dome.
And again I wrote in my subject, Yes, I wrote
in my subject, it's not the radioactive pelt that's attached
to the top of his head. We're talking about we're
(45:26):
talking about a defense system that would basically be a
fence over the entire you know, the entire country, to
protect us from ICBMs, from Russia, from Iran, from North
Korea and China. Right, yes, and I get it, I
get it. But of course it has to be gold
(45:48):
because Israel's iron dome. What's worth more iron or gold?
Iron is kind of like a wasted metal. It's what
it's what you use in order to you know, create
rebar Right.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
This is a trillion dollar give a money grab because
you can't defend against those things you can't.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Well yeah, I'm not sure about that, right. But here's
here's the point. Right now, the United States has how
many nuclear missiles? How many news by the thousand. Imagine
if only half of them were deployed, yes, and struck
(46:33):
the intended targets, or how about twenty percent or ten percent?
You would wipe out all humanity exactly, and you would
wipe out all of humanity. The earth would become uninhabitable. Right, so,
in their right mind wants to do such a thing.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Right the Madman theory. You know, a mutual assured destruction.
Russia is not going to chuck. It's five thousand whistles attus.
And if you spend a trillion dollars a year, it
doesn't matter gets through end of the world. Right.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Well, let me take one thing even further for your
viewers and your listeners here, even if none of them
get through, they manage to create this golden dome and
you end up destroying all of these nuclear warheads in
(47:36):
the air. What happens to the nuclear fallout?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, you need that.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
You think that it has to hit the ground in
order for it to become damaging. In fact, how stupid
that nobody so far has called them out and said,
do you know that if hypothetically the nuke goes off
in North Korea? You understand that the United States shares
(48:02):
oxygen right with North Korea. So yeah, maybe it's going
to be worse for them. But you're contaminating the air
which circulates the entire globe, which means that it ultimately
ends up in your food supply, in your water supply,
and so on. It is mutually assured destruction right humanity.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
And also electromagnetic pulse is just a nuke going off
before interception at an angle over your target, so they
could black out. They could send us back to the
nineteenth century, right the beginning of the nineteenth century with
you know, with exception of a few military bases before
the interceptors could ever even get there. And then that
(48:49):
you could have air space bursts, you know, a high
altitude nuclear bursts which would rain down radioactivity. This is
a crazy story. My point is that you know that
somebody has gotten into Trump's head and said, hey, there's
bowloads of money that we could have here, even though
(49:09):
a golden dome system just wouldn't be work or viable.
But not a trillion.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
It's yeah, five hundred billion and a half a trillion
a year. In my substack. The other day I wrote
about it. I turned around, I said, let me be
very clear about something. That five hundred billion dollars, if
put to use, would eradicate homelessness in America.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
It would fund every single program from snaps, to children's
food programs, to education in every single state school. It
would it would literally give you the ability to rebuild
every bridge, every road, every tunnel that's right now in
(49:54):
need of major repair. It would it would be able
to provide broadband to every single home in America for free.
So I have an idea. I have an idea. Let's
waste it on something that will never be used, should
never be used. We already have enough military might to
(50:16):
crack the earth in hand, right, what more do we need?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I don't know, but I will tell you this. This
reminds me of something I heard about Vladimir Putin, which
is there will You know, Putin wants to be this
imperial president, but he will never have a Putino Burg right,
there will never be after he dies, any monument to him.
Donald Trump Elon Musk saying thing Elon Musk never. It's
just he's gonna fade from history, you know. But Donald
(50:45):
Trump isn't getting his face on Mount Rushmore because he
decided to peace through strength and iron dome and destroy
the fabric of America. But I think his enablers all
are to telling him he's going up next to Lincoln.
You know, if you build iron Dome, if you get
(51:05):
this airplane from guitar, the alternate reality that they live
in does not compute with the real reality the other
eight billion people in this world. He could have been
like Elon Musk. You could have been like you know,
Steve Jones or or or you know, you know the
president of the owner of Microsoft is name's telling me
(51:27):
right now.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Bill Gates.
Speaker 5 (51:29):
And he could have said, I'm eliminating yellow fever coolera
in malaria in Africa, and he would be honored and haled.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
But he's got this thing in his head and and
and none of us can penetrate that. So with that,
I just want to let you go. We went over.
But I love listening to you. And now listen. For
everybody who is hearing the sound of my voice or
seeing me in a podcast, please go to the Mia
Culpa podcast. Michael Cohen spouts off his words of wisdoms
(52:05):
all the time. His sub stack is incredible. I'm now
I'm going to go read that article about iron Dome
because I knew about it. I knew about it from
the you know, from the professional view. How do you launch,
you know, counter launch against ballistic missiles?
Speaker 1 (52:19):
But you're right.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
The man could have been a mention of humanity, could.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Have been amational president like this country hasn't seen in
a long time.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, let's just turround and say that he's not standard
and that could actually have been a good thing. But
his his non traditional nature is being used not to
aid America, not to help the world, but to destroy it.
(52:53):
And well, to be honest with you, knowing him as
well as I do, I don't understand why he's doing this.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
To you know, to quote the immortal movie Batman.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Some people just want to burn the world.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Want to see the world burn. Yeah, and enjoy the show.
That's the part that they didn't put in a movie, right, Michael,
thank you for coming on The black Man's By podcast.
It was super interesting and engaging and I'm glad I
listened to it. I really really have to go see
your substack now to read that article and all your
other articles and listen to your substack lives. I love
(53:32):
being on with you and left every Thursday in the
Unleashed portion Substack Unleashed and your YouTube channel. Your YouTube
channel is with Ben Micellas, right, and that's also me
a Koppa.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
That is not this called political beatdown.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Political beatdown, that's a great name, but I really wish
we had more time. We're going to have you back again.
I'm certain time in the future, because you know, chaos
and mayhem comes in all shapes and forms. But you're
one of the very few people whenever I say I
know someone that knows Trump, I'm talking about you, and
(54:10):
I think that people are not listening to you because
the juxtaposition of how he was and how he is
today is valuable information. So thank you for coming on again.
Oh waits, thanks for giving us.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
This our always see you soon, brother, all right.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Take care of brou It travels. That was yet another
incredible segment. I don't know how I get these guests.
I don't know why they like me, but they like
to come on, and you know, you know, guys like
Michael Cohen and Glenn Kershner and you know, Brian Tyler Cohen.
It's just absolutely amazing and I'm glad that you can
(54:46):
be here for this week's episode of black Man Spot.
Be sure to tune in next week. This one will
be amazing. It is. If you're watching on YouTube, it'll
have the footage from Greenland and the you know people
that I interviewed and discussions about what is going on
in the crisis between Greenland and the United States, and
(55:11):
you will find it is now turned into this amazing
travelogue where I walk and talk and actually catch fish
for their row with Greenlanders and and and show you
a beautiful, pristine country which for some strange reason, uh,
(55:31):
the United States has decided they're just going to take.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
So that being said, I will give you and lead you.
Leave you with the quote of the week, and the
quote of the week almost invariably all black Man Spy
comes from Rudyard Kipling. Because I am a proud member
of the Kipling Society, and that very small group of
(55:56):
people in England and around the world, I'm certain of
appreciate that you can all join the Kipling Society if
you wish. But I love the writings of Rudyard Kipling,
and this one is one for all of us. He right,
the individual has always had to struggle to keep from
being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you
(56:19):
will be lonely often and sometimes frightened. But no price
is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
With that I want to thank you for coming on
Black Man Spy because I know you're the kind of
person who knows that there is no price too high
(56:43):
for owning yourself and learning what is going on in
the world around you. And it's not always just geopolitics.
It's sometimes cultural, personal, linguistic, and philosophical, spiritual, and that
those components are all key elements of understanding the world
(57:09):
around you. And that's called intelligence, and it's a critical
component of understanding not only the Black Men's Spies, but
all the other kind of people who are operating in
the intelligence community trying to bring you that ground truth.
So be sure to tune back in next week on Apple,
(57:31):
Spotify YouTube. Come see me on substack. I've been doing
a day to day analysis of what I've been doing,
showing pictures and videos, especially the video of me going
through and Iceberg Field for seven hours. Man, was that entertaining.
You know, when distress gets too hard, you just go
to sleep and then you wake up and you're still
(57:52):
in the crisis. That's sort of what happened to me.
But you will enjoy that because it will be a
fascinating study. So thank you again, and I hope to
see you back here next week.
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