June 20, 2025 • 59 mins
In this gripping episode of Black Man Spy, we delve into the escalating tensions in the Middle East, particularly the potential for conflict between the United States and Iran. Our host discusses the recent military actions by Israel against Iranian nuclear facilities and the implications for U.S. involvement. Joined by former RNC Chairman Michael Steele, they analyze the political landscape, Donald Trump's foreign policy maneuvers, and the possible repercussions of a new war. This episode is packed with insights and predictions that you won't want to miss!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is black Man's Spy.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to this special super hot edition Middle East on Fire.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Black Man's Spot.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You know, if I have bags under my eyes, it's
not just because I lost sleep because I have a
summer cold, or I had a whole bunch of jet
lag coming back from Greenland, or because I'm a septagenarian
that tries to run two miles every day while chasing
a labrador. No, that is not the reason I have
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bags under my eyes. I have bags under my eyes
due to the sleepless nights we've all been getting because
of a prediction that I made now one hundred and
six days ago that is going to come true. One
hundred and six days ago, in my substacks, I published
an article about the United States was on the verge
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of going to war with Iran because certain missile systems, aircraft,
and aircraft carriers have been quietly moving around the chess
board to be in a position to strike Iran. That's
when Donald Trump started his new and improved Iran deal,
where he was going to get Iran to agree to
a bunch of things that are way worse than the
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Obama deal. But he got rid of the Obama deal
in twenty seventeen, and this allowed Iran to enrich all
sorts of nuclear material to almost bomb grade level. Of course,
Joe Biden tried to resolve that by getting a new
deal with Iran, but Donald Trump and the Republicans upset that,
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and now he became president again, and now he wants
a new deal because if there's anything we know about
Donald Trump, since nineteen eighty seven, he has been desperate
to get a Nobel Prize since they gave a Nobel
Prize to Barack Obama for just being a cool guy.
So Trump is on the hunt to make a big
(02:05):
peace deal. But before he could make any deal even
meeting he actually was set to have meetings with the
Iranians a week ago, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin and Yahoo
decided he wasn't playing this game and was going to
end the Iranian nuclear program once and for all.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So Israel struck Iran.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Destroyed all of the air defenses in western Iran around
the city of Tehran, assassinated hundreds of nuclear weapons scientists,
government officials, Iranian Revolutionary Guard for generals, and even tried
to take a shot at killing the Supreme leader of Iran.
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Himself leadless to say, the Iranians understood what to do.
They immediately started launching ballistic missiles at Israel, and unlike
April of twenty twenty four, when they fired hundreds and
hundreds of ballistic missiles and none of them got through,
this time missiles are getting through. They were almost thirty dead.
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I believe it's about thirty dead over five hundred wounded.
As a matter of fact, just this morning that number
is going to go up. Just this morning, as of
the reporting of this podcast, two hundred and five people
were reporting to hospitals all around northern Israel and Tel Aviv.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
This has now become a.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Miniature version of the Iran Iraq Wars War of the Cities.
That's when Iran and Iraq under Saddam Hussein were just
trading missiles and blasting each other's cities to cause the
most civilian casualties. The Israelis are hitting Iranian nuclear program targets,
and Iran is now just hitting whatever they can hit, including.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
A hospital which was destroyed this morning. Where does that
leave us, the United States?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We are teetering on the precipice of a very large
war that could get much, much larger.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We have been.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Asked by the government of Israel to intervene to use
our BLU fifty seven massive ordinance penetrators, the only weapons
system that can actually break through the Iranian parden shelters
that they made at the far Due uranium enrichment plant.
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So the United States under Donald Trump appears to be
ready to side with Israel and to attack the Iranian
nuclear program at the Tans and at.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Fardu, which is that facility under the mountain.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
We have the only bombs that can even start to
scratch the surface of the far Du nuclear enrichment facility.
If we do it, we will go deeply into this
war and we will be at or with Iran. The
only question happens after that is what do the Iranians do.
Will they let it happen and say, Okay, that's it,
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our nuclear ambitions are over. Or will they punish the
United States by bombarding every major US military facility in
all of the Arabian Gulf in Iraq with their own
ballistic missiles they still have thousands, Or will they do
something a lot more provocative like mine the Straight or
four Moves, attack all the merchant shipping coming out of
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Saudi Arabia, destroy oil fields, and punish the world economy
for allowing Donald Trump to attack them. That's what we're
going to discuss today on this No sweat, nobody's having
a problem with anything.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Let's go get an ice cream edition of Black Man Spy.
Our first guest.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
For today, well, our only guests for today, because who's
going to need one after this is former chairman of
the Republican National Committee now MSNBC host Michael Steele.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Michael Steele was.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
The former Lieutenant governor of the state of Maryland and
then became the Chairman of the Republican National Committee. But
now he's on the outs because his common sense and
using logic and not accepting all of the craziness that
the Republican Party now embraces has put him far to
the left over here with me and Colin Powell and
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Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, you can imagine that. So
with that, let's hear what a true expert in Republican
Party politics has to say about what's going on with MAGA,
who were supposed to be the peace people, and what's
going on with Donald Trump, who is supposed to be
the peace president. Who apparently is going to carry out
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one of the biggest strikes in American history. Let's see,
thank you for coming on the Black Man Spy podcast
at this time fraught with danger, intrigue, stupidity. How I
love the questions for you all of the above. First off,
(07:13):
I'm going to ask you as an intelligence professional speaking
to someone who is steeped in the entirety of the
body politic, who understands decision making, rational choices, logic, and
understanding of law and implying that law to how we
as a nation will defend or protect our interests around
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the world, and the way I'd like to characterize that
as what the fuck.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It is going on? Man, it's happening. I'm losing control
of the narrative.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I'll like say, brother Nanswyers, I couldn't have asked that
question any better, dude.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, there are people with there are people within are
intelligence community who are going, Okay, let me let me
rephrace that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Let me recharacterize that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Do we actually have a government that is operating in
such a way that we should be going to war
right now and not worrying about it spiral out of control?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
No, we do not and I think the original frame
of your question is not just valid, but it's an
important way because it speaks to the seriousness of what's happening,
the true nature of what we see happening. You have,
in Donald Trump, someone who who gets his Presidential Daily Briefing,
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which is the the bible of intelligence on a day
to day basis that every president gets. He gets his
once a week because he doesn't like to read. And
so now they've decided Christy Nolu, director of National Intelligence
and the Infrastructure, decided, well, we'll we'll just put it
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up like a a as a Fox News broadcast, So
we'll we'll put it in that context and so so
he can just open up an iPad and watch it.
I mean, this speaks to the lack of intellectual capacity
to comprehend and understand the words that are provided to
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you that lay out, in specificity the true nature of
the threats that we have around the globe and how
you should respond as president. So that's the base from
which all of this starts. Then you move into a situation.
And it's funny you bring this up because I was
having this conversation this morning with Iran that if the
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Supreme Leader. If the Ayatola sent Donald Trump a message saying, hey, Donald,
we like to talk to you. Have your sons come
over and we talk about doing you know, Hotel Casino Tehran,
Trump Hotel and Casino Tehran. Donald Trump would put out
a tweet talk about how great Iran is, how wonderful
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they are, the people. You know, this is, this is
you know, everything would change. Why because all of a sudden,
now it's his interest, It's something that he cares about,
the transaction. I have a hotel, I'm going to get
rich off of it. I've got business deal. That's not
the kind of person you want sitting behind the resolute desks.
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So the bottom line is Donald Trump is ill equipped
for this moment. He's entered into a bargain with Benjamin
Yahoo that in many respects they're both politically trying to
protect each other. The reality of it is, I really
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do believe this. You may have different intelligence on this part,
but I do not see the space in which Donald
Trump actually launches an attack on Iran, because at the
end of the day, at the end of the day,
there is for him, there is no upside, there is
no good outcome from that and you've already begun to
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see some of the fractures within the Maga verse with
the Ted Cruisers in the Tucker Carlson's you know, the
isolation is versus the Hawks, if you will. But you
shouldn't get that twisted either, because at the end of
the day, that's the only thing where there's separation. They
are still all Maga. There's still for stripping away people's
rights and going up to immigrants and using the Justice
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Apartment against their political enemies. All that stays the same.
This piece, though, is where there's a fracture, and at
the end of the day, I think Trump stays much
more neutral. He's just like he You know, Donald Trump
spent more time yesterday on his damn flag pole than
he did on this situation.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You know, every every week I do a Thursday sub
stack video cast with Michael Cohen and Left Parnots and
it's unleashed, but it's unofficially known as two felons.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
In a Spy And.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
These two guys, forgive them credit, these two guys know
the mindset and workings of Donald Trump, but they always
caveat both.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Of them now because they work with them every day.
The caveat that he is in an altered mindset. He
is not a Donald Trump that they knew, but that
his general functioning of him is that of all things,
of all things, they he cannot be seen as weak
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in any circumstance.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So by netting Yah, who's striking.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Four days before, he was about to have the big
deal meeting, right or he's going to cut a deal
with Iran, Israel sort of forced his hand. And if
the United States doesn't come when they say, only you can.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
End the Iranian nuclear program.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Even now, Trump is pulling the full Taco right, Trump
always chickens out.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
He is.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He's sending the resources forward because he's because he has to.
He has to send three carriers, even though one won't
get there for ten days, another won't get there for
for more days.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Right, he could still carry.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Out the strikes, but he doesn't have the resources in
place to deal with the consequences for those strikes the
aftermath if the Iranians decide to be very jumpy. Full disclosure,
I am one of the few people in the United
States who has been in direct naval combat with the Iranians,
and it costs fifty eight of them their lives when
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they almost wiped out my ship and we shot down
airplane and we blew up their most productive oil platform,
all in three hours.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We could be doing a whole lot worse. But the
Iranians could also.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They have the ability to change the entire global economic
dynamic by using the asymmetric tools they have, which are
commandos and ballistic missiles.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Into oil fields.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Not punishing Israel, not punishing America, punishing every one of
those Gulf states down there, so that if they can't
move their oil, well, then none of you are going
to move your oil or natural gas. And if you've
got a problem with that, go talk to your you know,
your new golfing buddy, Donald Trump. Well in America could
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be headed into a very fraught place.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, I agree with that one thousand percent. That is
exactly where we find ourselves. The other thing I think
that folks discount with Iran is they are the capital
of terrorism. They are that that that is there, that
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is their their trading card, that's that's you know, beneath
the table. And so in addition to what you described,
the other aspect of this that has to be calculated
is okay, you want to play well, just unt least
a few of ourselves, and all of a sudden, you know,
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Americans going to the mall have to think twice Americans
doing their you know, because we we've forgotten the lesson
of nine to eleven at this point, we don't live
in that frame. And like a lot of other places
around the globe that have to deal with this, this
constant concern about indiscriminate bombs at cafes or indiscriminate attacks
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in hotel lobbies, et cetera. So to your point about
the asymmetrical nature of the way the Iranians could also play,
that is another another piece here that I think becomes
more problematic in a direct engagement between the US and
Iran on behalf of Israel. I mean, and that's the
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that's the thing Netta who wants to fight because Netta
is trying to keep his ass out of prison. Donald Trump,
Donald Trump is like, okay, but what was the first
statement out of the Marco Rubio State Department to Iran? Right,
we didn't do it, don't attack us. We had nothing
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to do with any of this. We were barely told
it was happening. We know nothing, we see nothing, don't
bother us. All right? Why was that the first statement
out of the state departments everything?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Because we are in Stalog thirteen right now. We're going
to touch on that in a.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Minute, right, But you're right, Iran could use its asymmetric
forces by launching terrorism around the world. Listen, when I
was in Iraq, I was. I worked in and out
of Iraq for over ten years. I had only Shia
bodyguards right from Basra, these all bus Rabi's as we
called it.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I had two hundred and fifty Iraqis working for me.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And one day we were in Parbala where they were trying, oh, Chief,
this is the shrine of Ali, this is the shrine Hussain.
And they were really educating me on Shia Islam the
month of Ashera where they you know, beat each other
with chains and cut their head to bleed to feel
the pain of the death of Ali and Hussein.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And I prayed in the shrine of Ali.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And I've been been to the to the shrine of Hussein,
and I got a real education. In fact, I helped
them stop suicide bombings at those shrines. But what happened
one day was I was talking to them and I
was saying, how is it that you're listening to Muktada
al Sader in the Iranian clerics about attacking America. And
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one of my favorite guys, great guy, love him. He
named his kid Mallet after me, right, and he goes, oh, Chief,
I am sorry, but these are my leaders. And if
they say I must kill you, I will kill you.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
I go, okay, it is fair, fair enough, you know,
I understand that I can't, you know, just don't change
your kid's name.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You kill me.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
What he was teaching me was that the depth of
Shia Islam's commitment along all of them, it's very different
than the Suna, the Sunna Muslims, which are Saudi Arabia.
You know, you have the radical extremists like Okaya and
all those. But if Ali the Ayatolokamani the other day
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declared Shiah Jahad on America and everybody else blew it off,
except for the few Iranians and Arabs who were.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
On some of the Twitter spaces or there we are.
Oh that's not good.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
They calling on a religious commitment from you now, which
you don't have to like us, you don't like the IRGC,
you don't have to like the fact that you can't
get promegranate in the souk right now, or that the
bread shops are closing, but we still have the rifles
on the street, ye right, We are still the people
who when you go to pray, you're praying with us
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as the leader of your religion. Therefore we're calling in
all the markers. And granted they're not going to be
able to get out of around proper, but you have
Irakishia who could just turn on us in a minute,
the entire government's Irakishiya. You still have surviving members of Hballa.
There's Shia Muslims around the world. You're right, they could
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use their asymmetric nature get weapons and equipment out there.
Or you'll have individuals who will drive afar into a
crowd or just stab you. These things were not gamed
out by Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I mean, like you said, he doesn't read the Presidential
Daily Briefing right exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And I think that when you're looking at what this
narrative of how this narrative is evolving around Iran right now,
that you can't you have to look at it asymmetrically.
You have to look at it as a three four,
five level chess game, because there's so many other pieces
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that Iran has that it can use in this in
this conflict, And so you have to you need someone
who has the capacity to learn, You need someone who
has the capacity to understand. But most importantly, you need
someone at behind the resolute desk who has the capacity
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to give a damn about the outcome. And that outcome
is not self centered. That outcome is about what is
the role in the place of the United States in this,
in this potential conflict, and more importantly in this is
if we go down that road, how do we keep
the American people safe and our interests protected globally? And
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and so this is not the thinking inside this administration
that was Trump one point.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
There you go using that word thinking, I.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Think I can't help myself.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
We're so fucked. I just wanted to say something. Okay,
you need to take that mug away from your mouth.
I make a good joke.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, we are almost We are almost literally in the
administration of President Pamacho from the movie Idiocracy, where the
Secretary of Defense, brought to you by Carls Junior, want
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a ref or run a program where he could be
Secretary of Defense and the President is shooting the machine
gun in the air.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
And his you know, his telepropher says, shit is fucked
up and shit, I mean, this is absolutely ludicrous. It's
like ideocricy was a documentary that was brought from the future.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But my true Okay, we have true trouble we have
to talk about here. So now we understand the Middle
East could come back to bite us all in the butt. Right,
that's great. US forces are mobilizing around the world hopefully
to defend and take care of that.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Sorry crying, go laughing someone.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But on the other hand, we have a president who
doesn't really he seems reluctant to use military force.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
He postures it, and then he.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Puts up a giant, two giant car dealership sized flags
in front of the White House front and back by
the way. You know, was just ridiculous, which will literally
spoil the view of the White House, right literally puts
a pole down the middle of it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
While he's doing this phantomime, he.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Is actually deploying active military forces with weapons and ammunition
into American cities.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
He doesn't have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He doesn't the problemable concept of civil war or militarizing, uh,
you know, creating the framework of a war in American cities.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, are we beast affwards here or is this
we are? Can I be.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Honest this I have said this in my sub stack,
straight up.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I can't believe the words are coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
We have a full scale Woodrow Wilson level white supremacists
government going on, and they are at war with everyone
who is not white or who is not white and
allied with them.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, we do. And that's that's not hyperbole because it's
it's the lived experience. It is the reality of what
we see playing out in cities like Los Angeles. You
take note of the fact that the partisan nature of
this as well, where he's putting marines on the ground, nationalizing,
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federalizing the National Guard in La but not Texas. In Florida,
which has the highest percentage of undocumented migrants immigrants in
the country. If you want to, if you really want
to get your numbers up, go to Texas, go to Florida.
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But you're not doing that because they're Republican governors there
that licked the boot and so they to your point,
they are allied with Trump by virtue of their politics
and their their sycophonic nature towards him. So they're okay,
but he wants to and he's declared this week we
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still were going after blue cities and blue states. The problem,
America is you need to stop looking at us through
that very narrow political lens, because that's not who we are. Actually.
That red, white, and blue of the flag represents all
the colors of humanity because this has been the place
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where those colors have merged, come together since our founding.
And even for individuals like Malcolm and myself who didn't
freely get on a boat, whose whose legacies didn't you know,
decide to come here because it was a slow day
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on the African continent, right and hey, you know, let's
go exploring. No, that wasn't that wasn't our story. But
yet and still we're part of the fabric of this
nation as well. And so what works for Trump and
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trump Ism goes back to the point that you the
two points you've made, the first earlier about the essentially
the safety of whiteness and the second point about the
Woodrow Wilson nature of a of presidential action. Putting those
two together has been what this has the experience has
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been for a lot of folks right now, and so,
you know, I just think we're at a point when
we're looking at the deconstruction of the administrative state, which
they told us that they would do, the use of
the Department of Justice and so forth against political opponents,
which they told us they would do. We're now in
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a spot where the American people have to take control.
As I said yesterday on my show, you know, putting
a large ass flagpole in the middle of the White
House lawn doesn't make you more patriotic. It doesn't. It
doesn't make you love America more. It just basically says
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you're projecting, you're pretending that's becomes a symbol because you
don't know how to love this country. Donald Trump doesn't
know how to does not know how to love America.
He doesn't know. No, he'd be standing there with this
big picture holding the flag. That's all fake people. He
don't give a shit about the flag. It's just a
big symbol that get gets his maga people wetting their pants.
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They're so excited now that there's another big ass flag
on the lawn. There's a big gass flag on top
of the building. You know what that flag is there for.
You know why that flag has always been there. You
know what it means when that flag is not flying
on the White House. I mean, they don't they don't
even understand what we already have so there, So they're
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replacing it with these these outsized symbols. You know. Look,
So here's here's the deal. At the end of the day,
for about an hour's Donald Trump stood on the White
House lawn watching them dig a hole in the ground
and put this big gass flag pole in it. Right,
the country was safe for hour. Why because Donald Trump
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was playing with his pole. And as long as he's
doing that, we're fine. The problem is he then leaves
that the front lawn has to go back into the
Oval office, where.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Shake gets stupid again.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
And the pole is crooked and the poem is crooked,
and it's a metaphor that even Richardson couldn't come up with.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
For so much Oh my God, help me.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So okay, okay, now were we are most fuckingted? Yeah, okay, okay,
So we've now going over war with around war with
the United States.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Can we can you please, for the love of God,
explain to me how on the days that the Department
of Defense announcers they're going to withdraw the name of
Harvey milk Off of a US Navy ship.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Medgar Evers, a man who landed in Normandy on D Day,
who fought in the European Theater and was killed.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
For civil rights.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Harriet Dumpman was a US intelligence asset. She infiltrated spies
back and forth, took drawn line drawings of Confederate defenses,
one of the best penetration.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Agents the US Army had in the Civil War.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And they're like, well, we don't want those crazy people
naming our ships, whitewashing of our black history. I heard
a friend of mine who was white, went to the
Museum of African American History at the Smithsonian and said
the last day that they were going to have the
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shackles up from the middle Passage, the pediatric shackles, all
of that exhibit was coming down, and that was the
last day. I have a question that you and I
should ponder, where the.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Fuck is the n double ACP. Do you remember those guys?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I remember something about a civil rights era, but I'm
starting to wonder whether they went out of business. I
don't hear nothing from the black community. No one listens
to Roland Martin. That guy has some of the best
selling you talk out there. It's like we've and that
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we have a block of people who said we should
just withdraw, we should just withdraw from democratic politics altogether.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And they have a big voice.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
What when are people going to stand up and start
fighting on that side? Because I helped organize three no Kings,
so we know what those people are doing.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, you know, you raise an interesting point about the
NAACP another organizations. You know, I look, I'll be honest
with you. That era of engagement, that kind of engagement.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
You say it, don't you say it? Don't you say
that era is over?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
We are we are scrawd If you're going to say.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That, scrawd up, my friend, because that's what we are.
Ain't nobody, ain't nobody, nobody a memo from the n
W A c P. That's that how this works anymore?
That what? Well, But here's here's the reason why. Because
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the fracturing of the civil rights uh community itself, the
you know, manifest in the Black Lives Matter he moment,
you know, uh, the George Floyd, that ability to to
galvanize around those efforts the Black Lives Matter. I mean,
(33:12):
just look what's happened to George Floyd, the George Floyd story.
Since since then, it's down been twisted on its head,
and you know, it's been glombed up into a DEI
bullshit that that that you know, Stephen Miller and his
his white supremacist thinking, you know, sort of use the boogeyman,
(33:33):
want to create the boogeyman. So I'm not surprised. I
mean because at the end of the day, if if
the president of the na a CP held a press conference,
what would happen, What would happen? I mean, would it change?
Would it change? It? So Donald Trump? Donald Trump has
(33:53):
basically said that all of this, all of black history,
is basically one big d e I project, and we
need to excise the country from that storyline. We don't
need to hear those stories anymore because they they their
white sensibilities are offended. And and you know there is.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Our blacklash to this.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I mean, what what what would it look like, Malcolm,
What would the back end?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
God forbid, God forbid that that people lose their minds
and and I get voted in as the president of
the NAACP.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
It will look like the return of the Ghost of
Denmark VISI. Okay, which, by.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
The way, slave rebellions, by the way, if you can't
you wonder where the citadel came from in Charleston.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know, it would look like.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I would be on the word would be black Jahad.
I would say, Okay, you guys don't like us. Nobody
buy nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
From this place, this place, this place, this place.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
We started it with target focused, highly focused boycott.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I mean, we're so bad. Things are so bad, Eddie Gloud.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
It's calling for national action, for the for for us
to have a national boycott and work stoppages and all
those things.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
You know, why can't we get that act together?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Well? No, but I agree with you, you know I
you know, I'm just trying to give an explanation to
the thinking. But I, at the end of the day,
would be more like you in that I wouldn't put
out a press release, you know, condemning anything. I would
start organizing on the grounds. I would start, you know,
community after community, organizing on the ground. But you also
(35:56):
have to take into account what the end game ultimately
will be. Will it move your needle? Will it change
the outcome? My bet is with someone like Donald Trump,
who doesn't care to begin with, it doesn't phase him,
it doesn't move him. In fact, it enriches his his
(36:17):
his his lack of empathy, and that that cavern that
is known as his heart just gets bigger. He doesn't care,
he's not afraid, you know. And then he starts saying
stupid shit like well, you know, black people love me.
You know why, Well, because that's what he thinks. Because
(36:40):
he puts up some gold lamet sneakers and you know,
some brothers in the hood bought it, and I guess
I don't know, you know. But the question that becomes
what what is the outcome? Is it just about taking
exhibits out of a museum or is it? Is it
something or everything else? And that I think is where
(37:02):
it sort of falls apart because no one's had that
connective conversation. I can be outraged and I am about
what you're doing to my history, but then how do
how do we collectively decide to tell this government to
shove it up their ass and that you will not
whitewash our history, and that leadership has not emerged to
(37:25):
your point, And the question is does it and if
it does how does it and how do they organize
the community around this idea that this man's full of shit.
You're not whitewashing our history. You're not erasing us. Stop
the Dei crap, because DEI worked for your dumb ass grandfather,
(37:49):
right when he got on a boat and came over
here and tried to settle down right, it all worked
for him. You know, everybody was like, yes, come, So
it's just you know, we we need to do those
two things. And I don't see either of them haven't
been done yet, because you're right, they they're strip mining
(38:10):
our culture and our history. You know, I listened. I
had a buddy of mine who was, you know, lamenting
all of this stuff on DEI, And I was like,
have you talked to your your teenage son, because I
bet you if you go on his phone, it's going
to be loaded with a lot of black culture that
he consumed willingly every day. Right, So you're going to
(38:34):
take that from him. We're going to take his phone
from him. You're going to tell him to stop listening
to certain types of music. You're going to tell him
to stop reading certain types of books. You're going to
tell him that he can't he can't go hang out
with his black friends because he may that may contaminate
his history, They may make him feel guilty about slavery.
I mean, why, why do you think your son is
(38:55):
that unintelligent? Why do you want him to be that unintelligent?
No needlas, Well you didn't like that conversation, but you
know that's that's.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Of course he didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It's woke, which means respectful of people and their feelings
and emotions and their cultures. Yes, you know, but I
have one last question, one last question, because I know
I'm really taking a lot of your time.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
You always you always in a secret mission somewhere, well
where's well?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
But what you guys need to do is ask, Okay,
one of these days when your host ask yourself, what
has Malcolm NaN's been doing and why was he in Greenland?
And what was the result of his visit? And you
will be quite surprised. Watch next week's episode of black
Man's File. Last week we showed the whole visit to Greenland.
(39:55):
And I was on a show called Leepert Show, which
was the it's the number one political show in Denmark
and I was in Greenland and they were like, whoa
there's an American spy in Greenland. I go, yes, but
I'm the good guy, and I set a series of
questions up, including one straight to the Prime Minister and
(40:19):
explained how US intelligence didn't want to know anything other
than what was the Prime Minister and the Danes going
to do if they did a lightning seizure of the
country with commandos, which is the only way we've done.
And I said, you better have an answer. I said,
but here's an answer that you might want to consider.
Take jdvents seriously. Arm the country, deploy special forces, deploy
(40:43):
the Marines, put warships there, put fighter aircraft there, and
say we're now strengthening the resolve of blah blah blah.
Invite the French Alpine troops. In three two one, guess
what happened this week? All of those things happened this week.
So time your on air, I know that you know.
We're sort of on the outs with MSNBC. Once I
(41:05):
went to the Ukrainian Army because I became too much.
Part of the story is what I was explained to me.
But that being said, I want to set that aside.
I'm bragging too much because next week Black man, spy,
I'm taking credit for the freaking defense of Greenland and
the destruction of Donald Trump's plans and got it on air.
But now I want to ask you one last question. Sure,
(41:28):
can you explain to me why the Democrats constantly, especially
a guy from Brooklyn, Jacob Keem Jeffers, why they view
themselves remaining to review themselves as the cooling saucers of
democracy when the hot, molten lava of Republican magaism is
(41:52):
literally being dropped onto their heads and cups and consuming
their cups. Why do they still feel that that little
that we govern and we're nice, those people will behave
a little bit better than they are right now.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
The only shoes has us.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
They they view, they view, they still view American politics
in a traditional slash lineal way, uh linear, excuse me,
linear way. So you know, everybody everybody plays plays. Yeah,
there may be objections and disagreements, but we play nice
(42:31):
that you know, the president is the president, and so
all of the all of the bad behavior, all of
the the destruction of norms, the ace again that word,
the asymmetrical nature of American politics today. They've not adapted
to that.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
They did, They just haven't adapted to oblivious.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
They they.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
They learned nothing from from Mitch McConnell and his running
of the Senate as in the minority, not just when
he was in the majority, but how they use the
rules of the Senate to frustrate the purposes of Barack
Obama and the Democrats during even the Trump years when
(43:21):
they were in the minority. Never learned how to use
the rules of the institution because that's an offense to
do that. And so they play politics nineteen eighties style,
and that's just not the environment they're in. So, you know,
(43:45):
Schumer issues a twenty page letter. What the hell am
I going to do with a twenty page I'm going
to beach upside the head with the paper. I mean,
what do you think is going to come from that?
Who are you scaring? What are you saying? Right? So
that's part of the problem problem. So that's also manifest
Malcolm in what you saw recently play out with with
(44:07):
David Hogg, the former vice chairman of the party, who said, yeah,
we're gonna we've got to take out some of the
some of the chaff right, you know, we've got to
separate the week from the chaff. We gotta we got
to refresh the body politic within the organization because we
have a lot of dead weight here and and there
(44:27):
are a number of Democratic leaders who should not be
running for reelection next year, either because of age or incompetency.
And so when even when you have this effort within
the structure itself to refresh it and to bring fighters
into the table, what do they do? They take them out.
(44:50):
So you know, I've learned in my in the last
two political cycles of working with the Democrats not to
rely on their political skills because they have none. They
are not built to fight in this in this particular battle. Individuals,
some individuals are you know, are Eric Swaalwell for example,
(45:11):
uh Is uh is one of those individuals. Uh And
and they're a handful of others. But the larger body politic,
the larger organization is not When you have the chairman
of the party, you know express openly his his frustration
and as well as you know his his insecurity about
(45:34):
being chairman in this vicunment, what do you do? So
it's going to really rely on what you see happening
on the ground with no kings and other efforts uh
that that are organically organized that are going to move
throughout the body politic into this next political cycle and
(45:57):
will have to organize themselves to defeat MAGA at the
ballot box next November if the Democrats want to control
the House and potentially the Senate. But you know, you
can't unless you until you see something differently, Malcolm, you
keep organizing those No King rallies, baby, because that's that's
(46:18):
really that's that's going to be the root of it.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Well, yeah, I'm sure you haven't heard outbreak a little
news for some of the people here. I actually am
co founded a new political action committee called.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
FAFO PACK and it stands for.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Focused Action, Focused Objectives to do the thing that you said.
We don't do nothing, We don't protest without a specific
action that will have a specific objective that will be
meant to move the ball forward. And one of our
we call ourselves, by the way, the uh the deadpool
of the political party world because we are allowed mouth
(46:59):
in your face, potty mouth people who really just don't
give a fuck what you think. And we're gonna play
a MAGA style.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
And you know, I.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Made a all to arms video for Indivisible and No
Kings that went viral. But you know, and this, by
the way, people say, why aren't you working in Ukraine?
How come you're not in Israel? Those places are relatively stable,
right in the United States in a war.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
To the Ukrainian army in a war, because.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
I saw the bricks crumbling back here, seriously, no joke,
and I kept saying, we've got to save the Western
Wall of democracy.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Now we're in serious trouble. We've got a mad king.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
And the only way to do this is to instill
backbone into the spine of Democratic leaders and Republicans.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
And one last question, one last question, why in.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
God name has Hakeem Jeffries not spared every living waking
moment trying to get convinced four Republicans to become independents
and caucus with the Dems and flip the House.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I promise them everything, right, Yeah, you know what full
Lincoln right.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, it's a good question. I think part of that
is is uh and I know a couple of instances
where those efforts have been made. But part of that
is the grip and hold that MAGA has on those Republicans.
And even though they are in more purplish oriented districts,
you know like a an R plus six or a
(48:45):
R plus seven, or even you know where the Republican
is in a majority Democratic district, that's probably like a
D plus four D plus five. Those margins are too
small for any level of comfort that they would survive
a primary. And so my thing is, I'm looking for
(49:08):
leaders who are risk takers. I'm looking for leaders who
value their service more than the office, because you have
to be able to translate that service in a way
that even without the office, I can still be of
service to this community. I don't need. The office is
perhaps one tool, one way to do this. So if
(49:32):
I decide to take a principal stand, I'm taking that
principal stand on behalf of the people, to the seven
hundred and fifty thousand people that are in this district
who elected me, right, And if there's a primary fight
over that, I will do my best to hold the
seat and win that primary. But that doesn't define my
(49:54):
service and it doesn't define what I can do on
behalf of these people. So if I lose that primary,
I'm still in the fight, and now I'm even more free. Yeah,
fight you for democracy, and that that's the mindset. But
unfortunately that mindset doesn't exist because a lot of the
today's politicians value the title and the position more than
(50:17):
the service, and they're afraid of losing that well as
opposed to their dignity.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Well, I got to tell you when Ken Martin started
talking about, oh, I'm not sure I could do this
job as DNC chair.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Because of David Hoggs, not because of Donald Trump. Not
right of a secret police force tearing America apart, that's
a general secret.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
We have a gestapo in America, not because cities are
on fire.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
He's targeting specifically and says it out loud.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I will target blue districts because some twenty five year
old kid is challenging you. The first day I tweeted
right there was I'll take the fucking job. Will get
me in that job. You guys will like, oh my god,
the fightings have arrived, you know. Or Wakonda has taken over?
(51:10):
What Conda has taken over? And here's the first words.
Because I'm a salty ass old navy chief. I might
have a nice house, but I gotta here's how I talk.
I don't give two fucks right what you think of us.
We are gonna destroy you as a party. And when
we're done, half of you months are going to prison.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
The other half of you.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Are gonna are gonna have to bow down, and we're
gonna have to use reswear your oath to the Constitution.
You will swear ulysses as fucking Brant turned black and
then and then go after the KKK again. Well, if
I were ever in that job, because one it's common sense,
Two it takes you've got to want to fight. I'm
(51:53):
from Philadelphia. I take this very seriously.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
That might you know that that you know, I just
came back from Greenland.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I was afraid coming through customs because and then when
I got there, my global entry.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Was turned off.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
By the way, even though the customs officer was surprised
by that, she goes, well, your card is correct.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I don't understand what's going on here. Go ahead, and
I think that you know they had me tagged. You know,
remember when I was on MSNBC was.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Put off air for three weeks because of the Bill
Barr memo.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
So if these people want to go go toe to toe, okay,
that's fine, but you.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Know, don't ever think you can come for me and
not think that the whole world's going to get an earfull,
and that you're not going to be not shame, you know.
I mean, I've got people out there right now we're like, oh,
what will happen if ice comes, you know, to your
house or some stupid shill line. Right, It's just like
those guys will all be swearing an oath at the
(52:56):
end of whatever that encounter is because I remind them
of some shit like the fact that their books on
terrorism are literally my textbook that they use it flet se, right,
I mean, we just have this the world is turned
upside down, and this is where we're transitioning away from America. Literally,
as you know, I have a model ship of a
(53:19):
ship that took part in the Barbary Pirates campaign. And
Jefferson was like, this isn't about is, this is about commerce,
This is about all these other American ideals.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
And Trump's lock fuck oh, this is about money, bitches.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
It just two hundred and forty nine years of American
history is on fire in flames, as is now being
put in Walmart guilt frames. And I've got a Democratic
Party that thinks, yeah, that lava flow will really.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Cool nicely in this china bone, china cup. Let's see
what happens. He goes, Oh, no, it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
That's essentially where we are. So the fighting is the institutions.
You cannot rely on the institutions, judicial, political, whatever it is.
Really it is. This is the quintessential we the people moment.
There's a reason why the founders started our Constitution and
(54:20):
our founding documents that way, right with that idea. And
not we the government, we the White House, we the President,
we the Congress, it's we the people. And that ultimately, Malcolm,
goes to the heart of what you're saying, is the
institutions themselves in this moment are either too afraid, two weak,
(54:47):
or both to actually move against the threat that they
see in front of them. They know that threat, they
know what it is, they know its origins. It's nothing
to be confused about because it's laid bare in front
of you. They put it in a nine hundred page
document called Project twenty twenty five. You had everybody and
(55:09):
their brother telling you for the last ten years what
it was going to be. So the institutions know what
this is, they know what it means, yet they're too
afraid or too weak or both to actually move. It's
going to rely and come down to us and what
kind of country we want and what kind of nation
(55:31):
we will be. We will either be Orbon on steroids
because we're doing shit that even Orbon hasn't done right.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
So that should tell you something right there.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Right Orbon doesn't have military control of cities right now.
He's not the boots on the neck of you know,
the governors of towns. So the reality, the reality for
us is a stark one. And I think that you
know individuals like yourself who are out there turning the
(56:06):
mirror around on the country to show the ugly side
of it. Putting a spotlight on it is important. Whether
it is what's happening in a far off land like
Ukraine or the Middle East, or what's happening just three
thousand miles to the west of us in La It's
all connected and its origin story is something we already
(56:30):
are very familiar with.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Well, thank you for coming to black Man's Spy.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
And now my pleasure, my.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Friend sad cry good, We're good.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
We will see you. I will see you.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
I'm certain.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Listen, Trump eventually will invite you and I to the
White House and it will be for the one hundred
anniversary of the rescreeting of Birth of the Nation and
to show us how it's really done.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
When that happened, you need to go lie down.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
How you can even drink out of that coffee cup
and I'd be spitting it everywhere. And when that happens,
you and I will reconvene, and you feel free to
convite me on your show anytime.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
I don't. Oh, no, absolutely, man, Today you gotta go.
We're gonna go to a production meeting now, so we're
gonna talk. I'm gonna bring up some Malcolm.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
NaN's and they'll be like, Malcolm Nan, no way, He'll
use bad, naughty words. No, no, no, But you know
that's that's what old chiefs do. Well, thank you again,
and I want to see you in real life, so
I'll talk to you soon. You got to take care. Wow,
(57:44):
thanks for coming to that super dynamic, crazy interesting coffee
and Canada Drive zero sugar.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Spitting episode of Black Man Spy.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Michael Steele is one of my heroes, principally because when
he was on the Daily Show, they'd have him on
the Daily Show. They had a muppet version of Michael
Steele and I was so jealous.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
I was like, I want a muppet.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
So I once said that to Ian Bremer, who runs
the Eurasia Group, and he does a TV show called
Puppet Regime where he has puppets talking, and at some
point he's got to get my puppet, a puppet of
me and a puppet of Michael Steele on screen at
some point, otherwise my life will be over as we
(58:36):
know it. But that man is smart and he is unleashed,
and I appreciate everything he said.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
So with that, we're gonna go straight out.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
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(59:29):
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Speaker 1 (59:42):
Over again, and hopefully with a little less caffee. Thanks
for coming
This is black Man's Spy.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to this special super hot edition Middle East on Fire.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Black Man's Spot.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You know, if I have bags under my eyes, it's
not just because I lost sleep because I have a
summer cold, or I had a whole bunch of jet
lag coming back from Greenland, or because I'm a septagenarian
that tries to run two miles every day while chasing
a labrador. No, that is not the reason I have
(00:39):
bags under my eyes. I have bags under my eyes
due to the sleepless nights we've all been getting because
of a prediction that I made now one hundred and
six days ago that is going to come true. One
hundred and six days ago, in my substacks, I published
an article about the United States was on the verge
(00:59):
of going to war with Iran because certain missile systems, aircraft,
and aircraft carriers have been quietly moving around the chess
board to be in a position to strike Iran. That's
when Donald Trump started his new and improved Iran deal,
where he was going to get Iran to agree to
a bunch of things that are way worse than the
(01:21):
Obama deal. But he got rid of the Obama deal
in twenty seventeen, and this allowed Iran to enrich all
sorts of nuclear material to almost bomb grade level. Of course,
Joe Biden tried to resolve that by getting a new
deal with Iran, but Donald Trump and the Republicans upset that,
(01:43):
and now he became president again, and now he wants
a new deal because if there's anything we know about
Donald Trump, since nineteen eighty seven, he has been desperate
to get a Nobel Prize since they gave a Nobel
Prize to Barack Obama for just being a cool guy.
So Trump is on the hunt to make a big
(02:05):
peace deal. But before he could make any deal even
meeting he actually was set to have meetings with the
Iranians a week ago, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin and Yahoo
decided he wasn't playing this game and was going to
end the Iranian nuclear program once and for all.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So Israel struck Iran.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Destroyed all of the air defenses in western Iran around
the city of Tehran, assassinated hundreds of nuclear weapons scientists,
government officials, Iranian Revolutionary Guard for generals, and even tried
to take a shot at killing the Supreme leader of Iran.
(02:49):
Himself leadless to say, the Iranians understood what to do.
They immediately started launching ballistic missiles at Israel, and unlike
April of twenty twenty four, when they fired hundreds and
hundreds of ballistic missiles and none of them got through,
this time missiles are getting through. They were almost thirty dead.
(03:11):
I believe it's about thirty dead over five hundred wounded.
As a matter of fact, just this morning that number
is going to go up. Just this morning, as of
the reporting of this podcast, two hundred and five people
were reporting to hospitals all around northern Israel and Tel Aviv.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
This has now become a.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Miniature version of the Iran Iraq Wars War of the Cities.
That's when Iran and Iraq under Saddam Hussein were just
trading missiles and blasting each other's cities to cause the
most civilian casualties. The Israelis are hitting Iranian nuclear program targets,
and Iran is now just hitting whatever they can hit, including.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
A hospital which was destroyed this morning. Where does that
leave us, the United States?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We are teetering on the precipice of a very large
war that could get much, much larger.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We have been.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Asked by the government of Israel to intervene to use
our BLU fifty seven massive ordinance penetrators, the only weapons
system that can actually break through the Iranian parden shelters
that they made at the far Due uranium enrichment plant.
(04:31):
So the United States under Donald Trump appears to be
ready to side with Israel and to attack the Iranian
nuclear program at the Tans and at.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Fardu, which is that facility under the mountain.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
We have the only bombs that can even start to
scratch the surface of the far Du nuclear enrichment facility.
If we do it, we will go deeply into this
war and we will be at or with Iran. The
only question happens after that is what do the Iranians do.
Will they let it happen and say, Okay, that's it,
(05:10):
our nuclear ambitions are over. Or will they punish the
United States by bombarding every major US military facility in
all of the Arabian Gulf in Iraq with their own
ballistic missiles they still have thousands, Or will they do
something a lot more provocative like mine the Straight or
four Moves, attack all the merchant shipping coming out of
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Saudi Arabia, destroy oil fields, and punish the world economy
for allowing Donald Trump to attack them. That's what we're
going to discuss today on this No sweat, nobody's having
a problem with anything.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Let's go get an ice cream edition of Black Man Spy.
Our first guest.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
For today, well, our only guests for today, because who's
going to need one after this is former chairman of
the Republican National Committee now MSNBC host Michael Steele.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Michael Steele was.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
The former Lieutenant governor of the state of Maryland and
then became the Chairman of the Republican National Committee. But
now he's on the outs because his common sense and
using logic and not accepting all of the craziness that
the Republican Party now embraces has put him far to
the left over here with me and Colin Powell and
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Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, you can imagine that. So
with that, let's hear what a true expert in Republican
Party politics has to say about what's going on with MAGA,
who were supposed to be the peace people, and what's
going on with Donald Trump, who is supposed to be
the peace president. Who apparently is going to carry out
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one of the biggest strikes in American history. Let's see,
thank you for coming on the Black Man Spy podcast
at this time fraught with danger, intrigue, stupidity. How I
love the questions for you all of the above. First off,
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I'm going to ask you as an intelligence professional speaking
to someone who is steeped in the entirety of the
body politic, who understands decision making, rational choices, logic, and
understanding of law and implying that law to how we
as a nation will defend or protect our interests around
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the world, and the way I'd like to characterize that
as what the fuck.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It is going on? Man, it's happening. I'm losing control
of the narrative.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I'll like say, brother Nanswyers, I couldn't have asked that
question any better, dude.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, there are people with there are people within are
intelligence community who are going, Okay, let me let me
rephrace that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Let me recharacterize that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Do we actually have a government that is operating in
such a way that we should be going to war
right now and not worrying about it spiral out of control?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
No, we do not and I think the original frame
of your question is not just valid, but it's an
important way because it speaks to the seriousness of what's happening,
the true nature of what we see happening. You have,
in Donald Trump, someone who who gets his Presidential Daily Briefing,
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which is the the bible of intelligence on a day
to day basis that every president gets. He gets his
once a week because he doesn't like to read. And
so now they've decided Christy Nolu, director of National Intelligence
and the Infrastructure, decided, well, we'll we'll just put it
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up like a a as a Fox News broadcast, So
we'll we'll put it in that context and so so
he can just open up an iPad and watch it.
I mean, this speaks to the lack of intellectual capacity
to comprehend and understand the words that are provided to
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you that lay out, in specificity the true nature of
the threats that we have around the globe and how
you should respond as president. So that's the base from
which all of this starts. Then you move into a situation.
And it's funny you bring this up because I was
having this conversation this morning with Iran that if the
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Supreme Leader. If the Ayatola sent Donald Trump a message saying, hey, Donald,
we like to talk to you. Have your sons come
over and we talk about doing you know, Hotel Casino Tehran,
Trump Hotel and Casino Tehran. Donald Trump would put out
a tweet talk about how great Iran is, how wonderful
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they are, the people. You know, this is, this is
you know, everything would change. Why because all of a sudden,
now it's his interest, It's something that he cares about,
the transaction. I have a hotel, I'm going to get
rich off of it. I've got business deal. That's not
the kind of person you want sitting behind the resolute desks.
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So the bottom line is Donald Trump is ill equipped
for this moment. He's entered into a bargain with Benjamin
Yahoo that in many respects they're both politically trying to
protect each other. The reality of it is, I really
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do believe this. You may have different intelligence on this part,
but I do not see the space in which Donald
Trump actually launches an attack on Iran, because at the
end of the day, at the end of the day,
there is for him, there is no upside, there is
no good outcome from that and you've already begun to
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see some of the fractures within the Maga verse with
the Ted Cruisers in the Tucker Carlson's you know, the
isolation is versus the Hawks, if you will. But you
shouldn't get that twisted either, because at the end of
the day, that's the only thing where there's separation. They
are still all Maga. There's still for stripping away people's
rights and going up to immigrants and using the Justice
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Apartment against their political enemies. All that stays the same.
This piece, though, is where there's a fracture, and at
the end of the day, I think Trump stays much
more neutral. He's just like he You know, Donald Trump
spent more time yesterday on his damn flag pole than
he did on this situation.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You know, every every week I do a Thursday sub
stack video cast with Michael Cohen and Left Parnots and
it's unleashed, but it's unofficially known as two felons.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
In a Spy And.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
These two guys, forgive them credit, these two guys know
the mindset and workings of Donald Trump, but they always
caveat both.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Of them now because they work with them every day.
The caveat that he is in an altered mindset. He
is not a Donald Trump that they knew, but that
his general functioning of him is that of all things,
of all things, they he cannot be seen as weak
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in any circumstance.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So by netting Yah, who's striking.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Four days before, he was about to have the big
deal meeting, right or he's going to cut a deal
with Iran, Israel sort of forced his hand. And if
the United States doesn't come when they say, only you can.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
End the Iranian nuclear program.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Even now, Trump is pulling the full Taco right, Trump
always chickens out.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
He is.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He's sending the resources forward because he's because he has to.
He has to send three carriers, even though one won't
get there for ten days, another won't get there for
for more days.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Right, he could still carry.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Out the strikes, but he doesn't have the resources in
place to deal with the consequences for those strikes the
aftermath if the Iranians decide to be very jumpy. Full disclosure,
I am one of the few people in the United
States who has been in direct naval combat with the Iranians,
and it costs fifty eight of them their lives when
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they almost wiped out my ship and we shot down
airplane and we blew up their most productive oil platform,
all in three hours.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We could be doing a whole lot worse. But the
Iranians could also.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They have the ability to change the entire global economic
dynamic by using the asymmetric tools they have, which are
commandos and ballistic missiles.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Into oil fields.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Not punishing Israel, not punishing America, punishing every one of
those Gulf states down there, so that if they can't
move their oil, well, then none of you are going
to move your oil or natural gas. And if you've
got a problem with that, go talk to your you know,
your new golfing buddy, Donald Trump. Well in America could
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be headed into a very fraught place.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, I agree with that one thousand percent. That is
exactly where we find ourselves. The other thing I think
that folks discount with Iran is they are the capital
of terrorism. They are that that that is there, that
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is their their trading card, that's that's you know, beneath
the table. And so in addition to what you described,
the other aspect of this that has to be calculated
is okay, you want to play well, just unt least
a few of ourselves, and all of a sudden, you know,
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Americans going to the mall have to think twice Americans
doing their you know, because we we've forgotten the lesson
of nine to eleven at this point, we don't live
in that frame. And like a lot of other places
around the globe that have to deal with this, this
constant concern about indiscriminate bombs at cafes or indiscriminate attacks
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in hotel lobbies, et cetera. So to your point about
the asymmetrical nature of the way the Iranians could also play,
that is another another piece here that I think becomes
more problematic in a direct engagement between the US and
Iran on behalf of Israel. I mean, and that's the
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that's the thing Netta who wants to fight because Netta
is trying to keep his ass out of prison. Donald Trump,
Donald Trump is like, okay, but what was the first
statement out of the Marco Rubio State Department to Iran? Right,
we didn't do it, don't attack us. We had nothing
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to do with any of this. We were barely told
it was happening. We know nothing, we see nothing, don't
bother us. All right? Why was that the first statement
out of the state departments everything?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Because we are in Stalog thirteen right now. We're going
to touch on that in a.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Minute, right, But you're right, Iran could use its asymmetric
forces by launching terrorism around the world. Listen, when I
was in Iraq, I was. I worked in and out
of Iraq for over ten years. I had only Shia
bodyguards right from Basra, these all bus Rabi's as we
called it.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I had two hundred and fifty Iraqis working for me.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And one day we were in Parbala where they were trying, oh, Chief,
this is the shrine of Ali, this is the shrine Hussain.
And they were really educating me on Shia Islam the
month of Ashera where they you know, beat each other
with chains and cut their head to bleed to feel
the pain of the death of Ali and Hussein.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And I prayed in the shrine of Ali.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And I've been been to the to the shrine of Hussein,
and I got a real education. In fact, I helped
them stop suicide bombings at those shrines. But what happened
one day was I was talking to them and I
was saying, how is it that you're listening to Muktada
al Sader in the Iranian clerics about attacking America. And
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one of my favorite guys, great guy, love him. He
named his kid Mallet after me, right, and he goes, oh, Chief,
I am sorry, but these are my leaders. And if
they say I must kill you, I will kill you.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
I go, okay, it is fair, fair enough, you know,
I understand that I can't, you know, just don't change
your kid's name.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You kill me.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
What he was teaching me was that the depth of
Shia Islam's commitment along all of them, it's very different
than the Suna, the Sunna Muslims, which are Saudi Arabia.
You know, you have the radical extremists like Okaya and
all those. But if Ali the Ayatolokamani the other day
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declared Shiah Jahad on America and everybody else blew it off,
except for the few Iranians and Arabs who were.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
On some of the Twitter spaces or there we are.
Oh that's not good.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
They calling on a religious commitment from you now, which
you don't have to like us, you don't like the IRGC,
you don't have to like the fact that you can't
get promegranate in the souk right now, or that the
bread shops are closing, but we still have the rifles
on the street, ye right, We are still the people
who when you go to pray, you're praying with us
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as the leader of your religion. Therefore we're calling in
all the markers. And granted they're not going to be
able to get out of around proper, but you have
Irakishia who could just turn on us in a minute,
the entire government's Irakishiya. You still have surviving members of Hballa.
There's Shia Muslims around the world. You're right, they could
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use their asymmetric nature get weapons and equipment out there.
Or you'll have individuals who will drive afar into a
crowd or just stab you. These things were not gamed
out by Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I mean, like you said, he doesn't read the Presidential
Daily Briefing right exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And I think that when you're looking at what this
narrative of how this narrative is evolving around Iran right now,
that you can't you have to look at it asymmetrically.
You have to look at it as a three four,
five level chess game, because there's so many other pieces
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that Iran has that it can use in this in
this conflict, And so you have to you need someone
who has the capacity to learn, You need someone who
has the capacity to understand. But most importantly, you need
someone at behind the resolute desk who has the capacity
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to give a damn about the outcome. And that outcome
is not self centered. That outcome is about what is
the role in the place of the United States in this,
in this potential conflict, and more importantly in this is
if we go down that road, how do we keep
the American people safe and our interests protected globally? And
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and so this is not the thinking inside this administration
that was Trump one point.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
There you go using that word thinking, I.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Think I can't help myself.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
We're so fucked. I just wanted to say something. Okay,
you need to take that mug away from your mouth.
I make a good joke.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, we are almost We are almost literally in the
administration of President Pamacho from the movie Idiocracy, where the
Secretary of Defense, brought to you by Carls Junior, want
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a ref or run a program where he could be
Secretary of Defense and the President is shooting the machine
gun in the air.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
And his you know, his telepropher says, shit is fucked
up and shit, I mean, this is absolutely ludicrous. It's
like ideocricy was a documentary that was brought from the future.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But my true Okay, we have true trouble we have
to talk about here. So now we understand the Middle
East could come back to bite us all in the butt. Right,
that's great. US forces are mobilizing around the world hopefully
to defend and take care of that.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Sorry crying, go laughing someone.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But on the other hand, we have a president who
doesn't really he seems reluctant to use military force.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
He postures it, and then he.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Puts up a giant, two giant car dealership sized flags
in front of the White House front and back by
the way. You know, was just ridiculous, which will literally
spoil the view of the White House, right literally puts
a pole down the middle of it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
While he's doing this phantomime, he.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Is actually deploying active military forces with weapons and ammunition
into American cities.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
He doesn't have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He doesn't the problemable concept of civil war or militarizing, uh,
you know, creating the framework of a war in American cities.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, are we beast affwards here or is this
we are? Can I be.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Honest this I have said this in my sub stack,
straight up.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I can't believe the words are coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
We have a full scale Woodrow Wilson level white supremacists
government going on, and they are at war with everyone
who is not white or who is not white and
allied with them.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, we do. And that's that's not hyperbole because it's
it's the lived experience. It is the reality of what
we see playing out in cities like Los Angeles. You
take note of the fact that the partisan nature of
this as well, where he's putting marines on the ground, nationalizing,
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federalizing the National Guard in La but not Texas. In Florida,
which has the highest percentage of undocumented migrants immigrants in
the country. If you want to, if you really want
to get your numbers up, go to Texas, go to Florida.
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But you're not doing that because they're Republican governors there
that licked the boot and so they to your point,
they are allied with Trump by virtue of their politics
and their their sycophonic nature towards him. So they're okay,
but he wants to and he's declared this week we
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still were going after blue cities and blue states. The problem,
America is you need to stop looking at us through
that very narrow political lens, because that's not who we are. Actually.
That red, white, and blue of the flag represents all
the colors of humanity because this has been the place
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where those colors have merged, come together since our founding.
And even for individuals like Malcolm and myself who didn't
freely get on a boat, whose whose legacies didn't you know,
decide to come here because it was a slow day
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on the African continent, right and hey, you know, let's
go exploring. No, that wasn't that wasn't our story. But
yet and still we're part of the fabric of this
nation as well. And so what works for Trump and
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trump Ism goes back to the point that you the
two points you've made, the first earlier about the essentially
the safety of whiteness and the second point about the
Woodrow Wilson nature of a of presidential action. Putting those
two together has been what this has the experience has
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been for a lot of folks right now, and so,
you know, I just think we're at a point when
we're looking at the deconstruction of the administrative state, which
they told us that they would do, the use of
the Department of Justice and so forth against political opponents,
which they told us they would do. We're now in
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a spot where the American people have to take control.
As I said yesterday on my show, you know, putting
a large ass flagpole in the middle of the White
House lawn doesn't make you more patriotic. It doesn't. It
doesn't make you love America more. It just basically says
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you're projecting, you're pretending that's becomes a symbol because you
don't know how to love this country. Donald Trump doesn't
know how to does not know how to love America.
He doesn't know. No, he'd be standing there with this
big picture holding the flag. That's all fake people. He
don't give a shit about the flag. It's just a
big symbol that get gets his maga people wetting their pants.
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They're so excited now that there's another big ass flag
on the lawn. There's a big gass flag on top
of the building. You know what that flag is there for.
You know why that flag has always been there. You
know what it means when that flag is not flying
on the White House. I mean, they don't they don't
even understand what we already have so there, So they're
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replacing it with these these outsized symbols. You know. Look,
So here's here's the deal. At the end of the day,
for about an hour's Donald Trump stood on the White
House lawn watching them dig a hole in the ground
and put this big gass flag pole in it. Right,
the country was safe for hour. Why because Donald Trump
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was playing with his pole. And as long as he's
doing that, we're fine. The problem is he then leaves
that the front lawn has to go back into the
Oval office, where.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Shake gets stupid again.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
And the pole is crooked and the poem is crooked,
and it's a metaphor that even Richardson couldn't come up with.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
For so much Oh my God, help me.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So okay, okay, now were we are most fuckingted? Yeah, okay, okay,
So we've now going over war with around war with
the United States.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Can we can you please, for the love of God,
explain to me how on the days that the Department
of Defense announcers they're going to withdraw the name of
Harvey milk Off of a US Navy ship.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Medgar Evers, a man who landed in Normandy on D Day,
who fought in the European Theater and was killed.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
For civil rights.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Harriet Dumpman was a US intelligence asset. She infiltrated spies
back and forth, took drawn line drawings of Confederate defenses,
one of the best penetration.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Agents the US Army had in the Civil War.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And they're like, well, we don't want those crazy people
naming our ships, whitewashing of our black history. I heard
a friend of mine who was white, went to the
Museum of African American History at the Smithsonian and said
the last day that they were going to have the
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shackles up from the middle Passage, the pediatric shackles, all
of that exhibit was coming down, and that was the
last day. I have a question that you and I
should ponder, where the.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Fuck is the n double ACP. Do you remember those guys?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I remember something about a civil rights era, but I'm
starting to wonder whether they went out of business. I
don't hear nothing from the black community. No one listens
to Roland Martin. That guy has some of the best
selling you talk out there. It's like we've and that
(31:35):
we have a block of people who said we should
just withdraw, we should just withdraw from democratic politics altogether.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And they have a big voice.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
What when are people going to stand up and start
fighting on that side? Because I helped organize three no Kings,
so we know what those people are doing.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, you know, you raise an interesting point about the
NAACP another organizations. You know, I look, I'll be honest
with you. That era of engagement, that kind of engagement.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
You say it, don't you say it? Don't you say
that era is over?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
We are we are scrawd If you're going to say.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That, scrawd up, my friend, because that's what we are.
Ain't nobody, ain't nobody, nobody a memo from the n
W A c P. That's that how this works anymore?
That what? Well, But here's here's the reason why. Because
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the fracturing of the civil rights uh community itself, the
you know, manifest in the Black Lives Matter he moment,
you know, uh, the George Floyd, that ability to to
galvanize around those efforts the Black Lives Matter. I mean,
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just look what's happened to George Floyd, the George Floyd story.
Since since then, it's down been twisted on its head,
and you know, it's been glombed up into a DEI
bullshit that that that you know, Stephen Miller and his
his white supremacist thinking, you know, sort of use the boogeyman,
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want to create the boogeyman. So I'm not surprised. I
mean because at the end of the day, if if
the president of the na a CP held a press conference,
what would happen, What would happen? I mean, would it change?
Would it change? It? So Donald Trump? Donald Trump has
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basically said that all of this, all of black history,
is basically one big d e I project, and we
need to excise the country from that storyline. We don't
need to hear those stories anymore because they they their
white sensibilities are offended. And and you know there is.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Our blacklash to this.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I mean, what what what would it look like, Malcolm,
What would the back end?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
God forbid, God forbid that that people lose their minds
and and I get voted in as the president of
the NAACP.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
It will look like the return of the Ghost of
Denmark VISI. Okay, which, by.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
The way, slave rebellions, by the way, if you can't
you wonder where the citadel came from in Charleston.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know, it would look like.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I would be on the word would be black Jahad.
I would say, Okay, you guys don't like us. Nobody
buy nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
From this place, this place, this place, this place.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
We started it with target focused, highly focused boycott.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I mean, we're so bad. Things are so bad, Eddie Gloud.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
It's calling for national action, for the for for us
to have a national boycott and work stoppages and all
those things.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
You know, why can't we get that act together?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Well? No, but I agree with you, you know I
you know, I'm just trying to give an explanation to
the thinking. But I, at the end of the day,
would be more like you in that I wouldn't put
out a press release, you know, condemning anything. I would
start organizing on the grounds. I would start, you know,
community after community, organizing on the ground. But you also
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have to take into account what the end game ultimately
will be. Will it move your needle? Will it change
the outcome? My bet is with someone like Donald Trump,
who doesn't care to begin with, it doesn't phase him,
it doesn't move him. In fact, it enriches his his
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his his lack of empathy, and that that cavern that
is known as his heart just gets bigger. He doesn't care,
he's not afraid, you know. And then he starts saying
stupid shit like well, you know, black people love me.
You know why, Well, because that's what he thinks. Because
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he puts up some gold lamet sneakers and you know,
some brothers in the hood bought it, and I guess
I don't know, you know. But the question that becomes
what what is the outcome? Is it just about taking
exhibits out of a museum or is it? Is it
something or everything else? And that I think is where
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it sort of falls apart because no one's had that
connective conversation. I can be outraged and I am about
what you're doing to my history, but then how do
how do we collectively decide to tell this government to
shove it up their ass and that you will not
whitewash our history, and that leadership has not emerged to
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your point, And the question is does it and if
it does how does it and how do they organize
the community around this idea that this man's full of shit.
You're not whitewashing our history. You're not erasing us. Stop
the Dei crap, because DEI worked for your dumb ass grandfather,
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right when he got on a boat and came over
here and tried to settle down right, it all worked
for him. You know, everybody was like, yes, come, So
it's just you know, we we need to do those
two things. And I don't see either of them haven't
been done yet, because you're right, they they're strip mining
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our culture and our history. You know, I listened. I
had a buddy of mine who was, you know, lamenting
all of this stuff on DEI, And I was like,
have you talked to your your teenage son, because I
bet you if you go on his phone, it's going
to be loaded with a lot of black culture that
he consumed willingly every day. Right, So you're going to
(38:34):
take that from him. We're going to take his phone
from him. You're going to tell him to stop listening
to certain types of music. You're going to tell him
to stop reading certain types of books. You're going to
tell him that he can't he can't go hang out
with his black friends because he may that may contaminate
his history, They may make him feel guilty about slavery.
I mean, why, why do you think your son is
(38:55):
that unintelligent? Why do you want him to be that unintelligent?
No needlas, Well you didn't like that conversation, but you
know that's that's.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Of course he didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It's woke, which means respectful of people and their feelings
and emotions and their cultures. Yes, you know, but I
have one last question, one last question, because I know
I'm really taking a lot of your time.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
You always you always in a secret mission somewhere, well
where's well?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
But what you guys need to do is ask, Okay,
one of these days when your host ask yourself, what
has Malcolm NaN's been doing and why was he in Greenland?
And what was the result of his visit? And you
will be quite surprised. Watch next week's episode of black
Man's File. Last week we showed the whole visit to Greenland.
(39:55):
And I was on a show called Leepert Show, which
was the it's the number one political show in Denmark
and I was in Greenland and they were like, whoa
there's an American spy in Greenland. I go, yes, but
I'm the good guy, and I set a series of
questions up, including one straight to the Prime Minister and
(40:19):
explained how US intelligence didn't want to know anything other
than what was the Prime Minister and the Danes going
to do if they did a lightning seizure of the
country with commandos, which is the only way we've done.
And I said, you better have an answer. I said,
but here's an answer that you might want to consider.
Take jdvents seriously. Arm the country, deploy special forces, deploy
(40:43):
the Marines, put warships there, put fighter aircraft there, and
say we're now strengthening the resolve of blah blah blah.
Invite the French Alpine troops. In three two one, guess
what happened this week? All of those things happened this week.
So time your on air, I know that you know.
We're sort of on the outs with MSNBC. Once I
(41:05):
went to the Ukrainian Army because I became too much.
Part of the story is what I was explained to me.
But that being said, I want to set that aside.
I'm bragging too much because next week Black man, spy,
I'm taking credit for the freaking defense of Greenland and
the destruction of Donald Trump's plans and got it on air.
But now I want to ask you one last question. Sure,
(41:28):
can you explain to me why the Democrats constantly, especially
a guy from Brooklyn, Jacob Keem Jeffers, why they view
themselves remaining to review themselves as the cooling saucers of
democracy when the hot, molten lava of Republican magaism is
(41:52):
literally being dropped onto their heads and cups and consuming
their cups. Why do they still feel that that little
that we govern and we're nice, those people will behave
a little bit better than they are right now.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
The only shoes has us.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
They they view, they view, they still view American politics
in a traditional slash lineal way, uh linear, excuse me,
linear way. So you know, everybody everybody plays plays. Yeah,
there may be objections and disagreements, but we play nice
(42:31):
that you know, the president is the president, and so
all of the all of the bad behavior, all of
the the destruction of norms, the ace again that word,
the asymmetrical nature of American politics today. They've not adapted
to that.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
They did, They just haven't adapted to oblivious.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
They they.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
They learned nothing from from Mitch McConnell and his running
of the Senate as in the minority, not just when
he was in the majority, but how they use the
rules of the Senate to frustrate the purposes of Barack
Obama and the Democrats during even the Trump years when
(43:21):
they were in the minority. Never learned how to use
the rules of the institution because that's an offense to
do that. And so they play politics nineteen eighties style,
and that's just not the environment they're in. So, you know,
(43:45):
Schumer issues a twenty page letter. What the hell am
I going to do with a twenty page I'm going
to beach upside the head with the paper. I mean,
what do you think is going to come from that?
Who are you scaring? What are you saying? Right? So
that's part of the problem problem. So that's also manifest
Malcolm in what you saw recently play out with with
(44:07):
David Hogg, the former vice chairman of the party, who said, yeah,
we're gonna we've got to take out some of the
some of the chaff right, you know, we've got to
separate the week from the chaff. We gotta we got
to refresh the body politic within the organization because we
have a lot of dead weight here and and there
(44:27):
are a number of Democratic leaders who should not be
running for reelection next year, either because of age or incompetency.
And so when even when you have this effort within
the structure itself to refresh it and to bring fighters
into the table, what do they do? They take them out.
(44:50):
So you know, I've learned in my in the last
two political cycles of working with the Democrats not to
rely on their political skills because they have none. They
are not built to fight in this in this particular battle. Individuals,
some individuals are you know, are Eric Swaalwell for example,
(45:11):
uh Is uh is one of those individuals. Uh And
and they're a handful of others. But the larger body politic,
the larger organization is not When you have the chairman
of the party, you know express openly his his frustration
and as well as you know his his insecurity about
(45:34):
being chairman in this vicunment, what do you do? So
it's going to really rely on what you see happening
on the ground with no kings and other efforts uh
that that are organically organized that are going to move
throughout the body politic into this next political cycle and
(45:57):
will have to organize themselves to defeat MAGA at the
ballot box next November if the Democrats want to control
the House and potentially the Senate. But you know, you
can't unless you until you see something differently, Malcolm, you
keep organizing those No King rallies, baby, because that's that's
(46:18):
really that's that's going to be the root of it.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Well, yeah, I'm sure you haven't heard outbreak a little
news for some of the people here. I actually am
co founded a new political action committee called.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
FAFO PACK and it stands for.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Focused Action, Focused Objectives to do the thing that you said.
We don't do nothing, We don't protest without a specific
action that will have a specific objective that will be
meant to move the ball forward. And one of our
we call ourselves, by the way, the uh the deadpool
of the political party world because we are allowed mouth
(46:59):
in your face, potty mouth people who really just don't
give a fuck what you think. And we're gonna play
a MAGA style.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
And you know, I.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Made a all to arms video for Indivisible and No
Kings that went viral. But you know, and this, by
the way, people say, why aren't you working in Ukraine?
How come you're not in Israel? Those places are relatively stable,
right in the United States in a war.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
To the Ukrainian army in a war, because.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
I saw the bricks crumbling back here, seriously, no joke,
and I kept saying, we've got to save the Western
Wall of democracy.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Now we're in serious trouble. We've got a mad king.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
And the only way to do this is to instill
backbone into the spine of Democratic leaders and Republicans.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
And one last question, one last question, why in.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
God name has Hakeem Jeffries not spared every living waking
moment trying to get convinced four Republicans to become independents
and caucus with the Dems and flip the House.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I promise them everything, right, Yeah, you know what full
Lincoln right.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, it's a good question. I think part of that
is is uh and I know a couple of instances
where those efforts have been made. But part of that
is the grip and hold that MAGA has on those Republicans.
And even though they are in more purplish oriented districts,
you know like a an R plus six or a
(48:45):
R plus seven, or even you know where the Republican
is in a majority Democratic district, that's probably like a
D plus four D plus five. Those margins are too
small for any level of comfort that they would survive
a primary. And so my thing is, I'm looking for
(49:08):
leaders who are risk takers. I'm looking for leaders who
value their service more than the office, because you have
to be able to translate that service in a way
that even without the office, I can still be of
service to this community. I don't need. The office is
perhaps one tool, one way to do this. So if
(49:32):
I decide to take a principal stand, I'm taking that
principal stand on behalf of the people, to the seven
hundred and fifty thousand people that are in this district
who elected me, right, And if there's a primary fight
over that, I will do my best to hold the
seat and win that primary. But that doesn't define my
(49:54):
service and it doesn't define what I can do on
behalf of these people. So if I lose that primary,
I'm still in the fight, and now I'm even more free. Yeah,
fight you for democracy, and that that's the mindset. But
unfortunately that mindset doesn't exist because a lot of the
today's politicians value the title and the position more than
(50:17):
the service, and they're afraid of losing that well as
opposed to their dignity.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Well, I got to tell you when Ken Martin started
talking about, oh, I'm not sure I could do this
job as DNC chair.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Because of David Hoggs, not because of Donald Trump. Not
right of a secret police force tearing America apart, that's
a general secret.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
We have a gestapo in America, not because cities are
on fire.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
He's targeting specifically and says it out loud.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I will target blue districts because some twenty five year
old kid is challenging you. The first day I tweeted
right there was I'll take the fucking job. Will get
me in that job. You guys will like, oh my god,
the fightings have arrived, you know. Or Wakonda has taken over?
(51:10):
What Conda has taken over? And here's the first words.
Because I'm a salty ass old navy chief. I might
have a nice house, but I gotta here's how I talk.
I don't give two fucks right what you think of us.
We are gonna destroy you as a party. And when
we're done, half of you months are going to prison.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
The other half of you.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Are gonna are gonna have to bow down, and we're
gonna have to use reswear your oath to the Constitution.
You will swear ulysses as fucking Brant turned black and
then and then go after the KKK again. Well, if
I were ever in that job, because one it's common sense,
Two it takes you've got to want to fight. I'm
(51:53):
from Philadelphia. I take this very seriously.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
That might you know that that you know, I just
came back from Greenland.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I was afraid coming through customs because and then when
I got there, my global entry.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Was turned off.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
By the way, even though the customs officer was surprised
by that, she goes, well, your card is correct.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I don't understand what's going on here. Go ahead, and
I think that you know they had me tagged. You know,
remember when I was on MSNBC was.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Put off air for three weeks because of the Bill
Barr memo.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
So if these people want to go go toe to toe, okay,
that's fine, but you.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Know, don't ever think you can come for me and
not think that the whole world's going to get an earfull,
and that you're not going to be not shame, you know.
I mean, I've got people out there right now we're like, oh,
what will happen if ice comes, you know, to your
house or some stupid shill line. Right, It's just like
those guys will all be swearing an oath at the
(52:56):
end of whatever that encounter is because I remind them
of some shit like the fact that their books on
terrorism are literally my textbook that they use it flet se, right,
I mean, we just have this the world is turned
upside down, and this is where we're transitioning away from America. Literally,
as you know, I have a model ship of a
(53:19):
ship that took part in the Barbary Pirates campaign. And
Jefferson was like, this isn't about is, this is about commerce,
This is about all these other American ideals.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
And Trump's lock fuck oh, this is about money, bitches.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
It just two hundred and forty nine years of American
history is on fire in flames, as is now being
put in Walmart guilt frames. And I've got a Democratic
Party that thinks, yeah, that lava flow will really.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Cool nicely in this china bone, china cup. Let's see
what happens. He goes, Oh, no, it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
That's essentially where we are. So the fighting is the institutions.
You cannot rely on the institutions, judicial, political, whatever it is.
Really it is. This is the quintessential we the people moment.
There's a reason why the founders started our Constitution and
(54:20):
our founding documents that way, right with that idea. And
not we the government, we the White House, we the President,
we the Congress, it's we the people. And that ultimately, Malcolm,
goes to the heart of what you're saying, is the
institutions themselves in this moment are either too afraid, two weak,
(54:47):
or both to actually move against the threat that they
see in front of them. They know that threat, they
know what it is, they know its origins. It's nothing
to be confused about because it's laid bare in front
of you. They put it in a nine hundred page
document called Project twenty twenty five. You had everybody and
(55:09):
their brother telling you for the last ten years what
it was going to be. So the institutions know what
this is, they know what it means, yet they're too
afraid or too weak or both to actually move. It's
going to rely and come down to us and what
kind of country we want and what kind of nation
(55:31):
we will be. We will either be Orbon on steroids
because we're doing shit that even Orbon hasn't done right.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
So that should tell you something right there.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Right Orbon doesn't have military control of cities right now.
He's not the boots on the neck of you know,
the governors of towns. So the reality, the reality for
us is a stark one. And I think that you
know individuals like yourself who are out there turning the
(56:06):
mirror around on the country to show the ugly side
of it. Putting a spotlight on it is important. Whether
it is what's happening in a far off land like
Ukraine or the Middle East, or what's happening just three
thousand miles to the west of us in La It's
all connected and its origin story is something we already
(56:30):
are very familiar with.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Well, thank you for coming to black Man's Spy.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
And now my pleasure, my.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Friend sad cry good, We're good.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
We will see you. I will see you.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
I'm certain.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Listen, Trump eventually will invite you and I to the
White House and it will be for the one hundred
anniversary of the rescreeting of Birth of the Nation and
to show us how it's really done.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
When that happened, you need to go lie down.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
How you can even drink out of that coffee cup
and I'd be spitting it everywhere. And when that happens,
you and I will reconvene, and you feel free to
convite me on your show anytime.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
I don't. Oh, no, absolutely, man, Today you gotta go.
We're gonna go to a production meeting now, so we're
gonna talk. I'm gonna bring up some Malcolm.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
NaN's and they'll be like, Malcolm Nan, no way, He'll
use bad, naughty words. No, no, no, But you know
that's that's what old chiefs do. Well, thank you again,
and I want to see you in real life, so
I'll talk to you soon. You got to take care. Wow,
(57:44):
thanks for coming to that super dynamic, crazy interesting coffee
and Canada Drive zero sugar.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Spitting episode of Black Man Spy.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Michael Steele is one of my heroes, principally because when
he was on the Daily Show, they'd have him on
the Daily Show. They had a muppet version of Michael
Steele and I was so jealous.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
I was like, I want a muppet.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
So I once said that to Ian Bremer, who runs
the Eurasia Group, and he does a TV show called
Puppet Regime where he has puppets talking, and at some
point he's got to get my puppet, a puppet of
me and a puppet of Michael Steele on screen at
some point, otherwise my life will be over as we
(58:36):
know it. But that man is smart and he is unleashed,
and I appreciate everything he said.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
So with that, we're gonna go straight out.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
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(59:08):
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So that's Malcolm Nance dot substack dot com. It's also
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like this analysis of the potential attack on Iron and
you can go back one hundred and five days and
read the one where I predicted that everything that happened
(59:29):
came true, because that's just the way I am. So
thank you for coming to this week's edition of Black
Man Spy. If we are not neck deep in war
next week, we will come back and do it all.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
Over again, and hopefully with a little less caffee. Thanks
for coming
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