June 1, 2025 • 29 mins
S7E2 – In this episode we are faced with a few interesting topics; The Mandella Effect, Bullying, and alternate realities.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Podcast join host Ho Ho as he discusses the riveting
Netflix original series Black Mirror. Now Here he is broadcasting
from Weapinar Saft Production Studio B. Welcome to Black Maror
Podcast and as always, I'm your host ho Ho. So hoy,
(00:33):
y'all was doing I hope you're doing good? I really do,
because today we are continuing in season seven with episode
two titled bet Noir. Now this was a pretty decent episode,
not my favorite, but still a pretty solid episode, just
with some of the topics that it was talking about
and some of the things that it tackled. I did
(00:56):
like it. I really did that ending, however, only crap
that thing was powerful. That woo boy howdy that any
But before we get into any of that, spoiler alert,
we are going to be talking about the episode. So
if you have not yet watched Bette Noir, head on
over to Netflix check out that episode, and then come
(01:18):
on back for the discussion. Let's get into it now.
This episode is started off typical Black Mirror fashion. You've
got Maria who is in well, she has a she's
developing a new flavor of something using a type of
a jam. I forget exactly what is called and she
uses her boyfriend as the guinea pig. I mean, how
(01:40):
often does that happen? Right? You know, we come up
with a new creation in the kitchen, and you know,
you gotta have guinea pigs to try it out, and
you use your family member, whether it be spouse, whether
it be boyfriend, children, who knows, but you always use something.
Has that ever happened to you? Have you ever, you know,
made a new creation in the kitchen and you just
(02:04):
use somebody else as your guinea pig. I mean, I
know I've been used. I've been used several times by
new creations. I think it's kind of common practice. But anyway,
we come to find out that Maria is in the
R and D department of a food company, where, at
least in this case, she brings a new twist to
(02:24):
an old favorite, a type of candy bar. And when
she's at work, it starts off with, you know, she's
behind the glass with some of her colleagues. There are
some people in a taste testing room about ready to
taste her new creation, and in walks Verity. She's a
(02:45):
little late to the party, but she comes in, she
sits down, and we come to find out by the
conversation that Maria is having it you know, back behind
the glass, that her and Verity used to go to
school together, that she was a bit odd and she
was a little bit of a computer geek. And Verity
(03:07):
ends up saving the taste test because nobody really likes
it whenever they first take, you know, whenever they first
take their little sample bite, they don't really like it.
She gives another gives it another chance, and she's like,
oh well, it's actually ten times better, and she gets
everybody else to try it too, and lo and behold,
(03:30):
everybody's kind of liking it. After the taste test, Marie
is in the bathroom and walks Verity and they have
a little bit of a reunion talking about the good
old days, you know, with how school was back in
the day. We come to find out that, you know,
there was a rumor that went around about Verity, and
(03:56):
Verity is actually going to be interviewing for a a
position there at the company, in the R and D department.
Maria's like, no, I don't know of any such job opening.
She's like, oh yeah, well I've seen it online and
it's like, oh well, okay, my department she has the interview,
she gets accepted, and Maria is she's kind of skeptical
(04:20):
about things. She really is, and we actually come to
find out through watching the episode that she's very leary
a Verity because she's actually feeling kind of guilty about
their past, and Maria doesn't necessarily trust her, doesn't think
that Verity belongs, you know, that type of thing going on.
(04:49):
And Maria she's talking with her boss and she's like,
you know, you need to do a better job checking
her background, and he's like, Okay, I'll look into it
if it's going to make it happy. Later on at home,
she's talking with her husband or I'm sorry, Maria is
talking with her boyfriend, and we come to find out
(05:11):
a little bit more about their history. Whenever they were
in school. We found out that Verity it was rumored
that she had a relationship with one of her teachers.
We found out about her nickname, We found out a
few things right, definitely some bullying was going on, and
(05:36):
we find out that Maria definitely does not like Verity
being there. She definitely does not want her working in
the same department that Maria is working. Definitely does not
want that at all. For whatever reason, and we really
don't find out the full depth of that reason until,
you know, basically towards the end and the next day.
(06:02):
This is whenever things start getting weird. Oh wait, I
forgot something. I got to backtrack a little bit because
they're having a discussion and this was before things really
start getting weird, right, But they're having a discussion about
(06:24):
a chicken company called Barney's. Now Maria is convinced that
it's Bernie's. She is definitely convinced of the name. She's like, no,
it's absolutely Bernie's. B er I know it is. I
have a boyfriend who used to work there. He still
(06:45):
has the hat. I see it all the time. And
they end up googling it, and lo and behold the
computer Google. The search engine says Barney's bar in Ies,
and it's like huh. And she goes home and she
(07:07):
looks at the hat, and the hat at this point
says Barney's, and I'm like, Okay, now I'm curious. So
at this point, seventeen minutes and ten seconds into the episode,
I rewind it virtually all the way to the beginning
because I have to know what did this hat say?
Earlier in the episode because they have this hat like
(07:29):
sitting on the countertop virtually front and center. I mean
it wasn't technically center, but it was definitely front so
that this way you can see the hat. And I'm like,
i gotta check this out. And it definitely said Bernie's
in the beginning, and I'm like, Okay, something's going on here.
(07:54):
I mean, this is a Mandela effect worse as I've
ever seen, and you know, Fidella effect. And they even
talk about Mandela effects in this episode. You know, they
talk about the the monopoly guy whether or not he
had the monocle right, And I remember other different Mandela
effect things. I remember the about the cornucopia that was
(08:18):
in the Fruit of the Loom logo. I remember about
various movies, one of which being a movie that Shack
started called Shazam from way back in the day he
was a genie. And this is a movie that is
actually hard to find. I mean I remember having this
movie back whenever it was on VHS, so that tells
(08:39):
you how long ago this is. But this is something
that isn't even found in Shaq's filmography. And there's been
other things, different things that were spelled different ways, apostrophes
that were in different places. You know, do you remember
any type of Mandela effect things from things how you
(08:59):
remember it from back in the day to how people
may remember it now. Are there any particular that you remember?
Is there anything that you know happened one way but
nobody else seems to remember? And like with the Fruit
of the Loom cornicopia, that one's interesting because even though
(09:21):
you can find pictures and evidence that there was a cornucopia,
there are people in the company that say, no, it's
not like that. The cornucopia has never been in the logo,
we don't know what you people are talking about. I mean,
you want to talk about gas lighting, I mean, holy crap,
(09:41):
And they talk about that in the episode. I mean
you want to talk about gaslighting? I mean, holy crap
Mandela effects? Are there any that you remember from your
childhood that other people just don't seem to remember the
same way that you did? Now, Like I was saying before,
you know, this is whenever this episode makes a turn
because you know, uh, Maria gets to work and Verity
(10:07):
is like, why are you late? You missed the meeting,
and Maria is like, what meeting? There was no meeting?
I don't know what you're talking about. I said, yeah,
the email was sent out. It's like, oh, it must
have went to my spam folder. Holy crap. And then
we see Verity get this weird look on her face, right,
(10:33):
she gets this weird look on her face, this strange expression,
and she walks around, she walks around the counter. She
opens up the mini fridge and she just she pulls
out this this container of almond milk. She rips open
(10:55):
the seal and just starts guzzling, you know. And I
was like put off by this. I mean I really was.
I was like, what in the world is going on?
Because I mean just the complete shift in facial expression,
in in a posture, and in everything about Verity, Like
(11:20):
it was a change that was like that, and I'm like,
what in the world is going on? The look on
her face, everything, what she did, It was like, holy,
what's going on? I mean, this was this was my
your I don't want to say, your first indication that
something is definitely going on here, but it was definitely off.
(11:41):
I mean, I don't know if I was thinking robot,
I don't know if I was thinking aliens. I mean,
like I had no idea I mean, it was just
it was just so strange, so out of place. It
just felt weird. It felt wrong, you know. And after
she gets done guzzling as much as she can of
(12:03):
the almond milk, she drops it onto the floor. She
walks back around the counter and goes and sits down
in her seat, and by now everybody else shows up
from the meeting, and her boss is like, why weren't
you at the meeting, And Maria's like, I didn't know
about the meeting. It must have went to my spam folder,
you know that the email was sent out. I didn't
get it. It must have went to my junk folder.
(12:24):
I have no idea. And then the gal who actually
owned the almond milk comes around to the other side
of the counter, sesus sitting on the ground, and was like, dude,
what is going on here? Somebody took this drank it
dumped it on the floor. What the heck? I bought
this thing brand new today. And then Verity pipes up
(12:48):
and she's like, well, I didn't want to say anything,
but it was Maria that did it. She got this
weird look on her face and she just opened it
up and started drinking and Maria's like, no, that is
absolutely not what happened. And then their boss is like, well,
we can just watch the video. There's a camera right there.
(13:11):
We can watch the video and see exactly what happened.
And so they did. And while they're watching the video,
what we see y'all play on screen is not what
we've just seen happen, I mean, because the story that
Verity actually came up with is what we see. And
it's like, dude, that's not what happened. What in the
(13:32):
world is going on? Holy crap, this is just weird, right.
And throughout all this, you know, Maria loses her job,
and you know, Maria is trying to link up with
wonderful old classmates, and she ends up calling the husband
(13:57):
of Natalie, which is one of the persons one of
the people that she sees in a photographs that has
Verity in the background, and she's definitely wanting to touch
base with Natalie to find out if Natalie had or
I'm sorry, if Verity had reached out to Natalie because
(14:21):
of their past, and she ends up calling the husband, well,
she ends up calling Natalie, but it's the husband that
picks up and we come to find out that Natalie
actually committed suicide. It's like whoa. And Maria is prying
and prying and prying, and she's getting a little belligerent
(14:42):
with this. I mean, she's definitely very much off putting.
And she basically gets told by the husband, don't call back,
I don't ever want to talk to you again, hangs
up on her. Maria loses her job after a blow
up at work and she ends up following Verity home.
(15:08):
And whenever she follows her home, she comes to find
out that Verity is living in this nice mansion. She
breaks in and she sees this computer, this server, a
pretty good sized server, right, and she sneaks in. She
goes upstairs, and she sees this, all this stuff that
(15:32):
just makes no sense to Maria whatsoever. She sees Verity
like on a throne. She sees Verity as a on
the cover of a magazine. She sees a picture of
Verity with her in a spacesuit like she was an astronaut.
(15:53):
She sees all this stuff makes no sense whatsoever. And
she was able to figure out that whatever Verity was doing,
she was using this pendent in order to do it.
And so the mission that Maria had in breaking in
was getting this pendant. She ends up locating it, but
(16:13):
by the time she does, Verdy had finished with her shower,
because that was, you know, how she was able to
get up there unseen and unheard because Verity was playing
some music per duoud. Verdi gets done with the shower,
Maria goes and hides under the bed. Verity shuts off
the music, and Maria is freaking out hiding underneath the bed,
(16:38):
trying to use the pendant in the same way that
Verity had used the pendant, and whenever Maria hit the button,
the computer made a noise that Verity understood full well
what that noise means. So she gets up out of
(16:58):
the bed and she calls out, get out from under
the bed. I'll call the police. Marie comes out from
under the bed, and that's where we find a bunch
of things out. We find out that, you know, one,
we found out that Natalie didn't just kill herself. She
(17:21):
was pushed to it by Verity. And Verity was even
bragging because it took Verity a month to push Natalie
to those ends and basically was able to do the
same thing to Maria in a week, So she was
kind of bragging about that, and Verity had found out
(17:42):
through Natalie that it was Maria who actually started all
of the nasty rumors about Verity, and it was like,
holy crap, and we found out that the rumors weren't
true and that the teacher whom she was accused of
(18:05):
having relations with was just a teacher that was nice
to her, the only one that was nice to her.
And she got into computers because computers just made sense,
and she built this computer, quantum computer, and this quantum
computer had the ability to shift her into a reality
(18:31):
that matched exactly what she wanted that reality to be
an alternate universe, if you will. And basically Verity said
that it didn't matter what she did, because Maria was like,
why don't you just make yourself, you know, queen Emperor,
(18:53):
and Veritie's like, Emperor the universe. Yeah, I've already done that.
That was like the first thing that I did. And
Verity said that it didn't matter how much she did,
what she accomplished, what the universe looked like. She still
had that hole because of how she was treated in school,
(19:22):
and she basically framed Maria for breaking into well not
really breaking in her home, because Maria definitely did that
but framed her as a Maria tried to kill her
in her own home. And this is where things went
from bad to worse because Maria reaches back, grabs the
(19:48):
gun in the officer's holster, points it at Verity, pulls
the trigger. Holy crap, I did not see that coming.
I mean, dude, I did not see that coming. I'm
us that my mouth must have dropped and hit the
floor whenever that happened. I was shocked. I was like, oh,
holy crap, I didn't expect that at all. Did you
(20:08):
Did you see that coming? Did you know what was
going to happen? Because I absolutely did not. It was
a complete shock to me. It absolutely was. She she
ends up getting shot like in the shoulder, and she
basically gets close to Verity's body. She makes it to
(20:29):
where she can control the computer, and she tells the
cops to oh, well, you know, she obviously killed herself.
You don't need to take me into custody. These are
not the George you're looking for. In fact, you want
to worship me because I am Empress of the universe.
Taking this thing full circle, because the first thing that
(20:54):
Verity said that she did was make herself Emperor of
the universe. And hear the first thing that Maria does
is make herself Empress of the universe. Holy crap. I
mean this one was Wow. It was a neat episode.
It really was. I thought that was definitely interesting on it,
(21:16):
especially with some of the topics that it that it
introduced and talked about, because well, first we have the
obvious and we've already touched based on this one the
Mandela effect. Again, is there any Mandela effect that you
remember from whenever you were younger that you remember a
certain way but other people may not, or maybe just
(21:37):
the mainstream doesn't remember it the same way that you do.
Do you remember whether or not the monopoly man had
a monocle? Do you remember the cornicopia in the Fruit
of the Loom logo? Is there anything else that you
remember differently than other people? Let me know, Send me
an email hoh at thehohoshow dot com. Now, another subject
(22:01):
that this Puppy really gets into and talks about is bullying,
and it talks about the effect that it has from
a victim standpoint and a perpetrator standpoint, because you know,
that's one of the things like Okay. Now, bullying is
(22:22):
something that is tackled and talked about in a lot
of different series, a lot of different movies, a lot
of different instances where it has done and handled handled
in different ways, and this one was this one. You know,
(22:44):
either you can be a victim of or you can
rise above. And Verity definitely took this to a It
changed everything about her. It defined her, you know what
I mean, like it deaf defined her and the only
way that she felt that she could get through it
(23:06):
was through revenge. But it definitely had an impact on
Maria though as well, because she lied to herself, changed
her identity, changed her environment. Well not okay, she changed
her own involvement in the bullying of a Verity because
(23:31):
she convinced herself that somebody else actually did it. And
it was only after being hit with the truth by
Verity did she even come clean to say, yes, okay,
I'm the one that did it. But you know what,
you never heard out of Maria, you didn't hear and
(23:53):
I'm sorry I was wrong. I shouldn't have done that.
You know. Yeah, there may have been a kids will
be kids kind of a thing, and there was definitely
a you know, you have this supercomputer that can do
an absolutely amazing thing, why don't you just change it?
And that's where Verie says that I tried, and that's
(24:16):
when she went on her mission of revenge. Have you
ever had something happen to you that you know in
your past that just defined you? Was it something that
you wished that you could change given the opportunity, would
(24:40):
you change something? I mean, I know there are some
several instances in my past that I would love to
just beat the everloving crap out of myself and just
be like, straighten up, you know, definitely. I mean I
know people who you know, got hurt at a very
young age and they have a scar. And I know
(25:04):
other people that has had things bad happen to them
that the scar has them. You can be a victim
of or you can rise above. It's a difference in mindset.
How is you know? We all have tragedies that happens
in our life. I mean, everybody has their own story,
and everybody's story is unique to them, and one person's
(25:27):
hell may be nothing to somebody else, but everybody has
their own hell. Everybody has their own experiences that they've
been through, things that they don't like things that has
affected them, and Maria in how she treated Verity was
no different in Verity's response to how she was treated
(25:52):
was no different because what happened with Verity, tragic as
it was, definitely showed you of what could happen on
the extreme level when revenge is what consumes you. And
then it gets into the whole alternate universe thing because
(26:16):
of this supercomputer being able to shift somebody into a
different reality, a reality of their own making, per se,
what would you do with that one? I mean, would
(26:37):
you make yourself empress or emperor of the universe? Holy crap?
I mean that was just whoa right? I mean, somebody
upon getting that type of power to actually shift the universe,
(26:57):
to change the reality that they're in. And it's like
the first thing that Maria does is the first thing
that Verity does being Empress of the universe. I mean
that was just that was interesting, right, because I'm remembering
back to the you know, to the magazine cover to
(27:17):
her being an astronaut, and I mean, who knows what
else Verity ended up doing because she could because she
had the power to do it. Interesting stuff. Given that
kind of power, would you do that, you know, And
(27:38):
that's even ignoring the possibility of there being alternate universes
where you know, whatever you think may be is you know,
I mean, there's all kinds of discussions about that when
I know Albert Einstein has had different theories on alternate
universes and alternate realities and whatnot. So that's that's ignoring
all of that. But it's the computer that has the
(28:01):
ability to do that, a supercomputer of what do they
call it? Quantum computer? Yeah, interesting stuff, interesting stuff, the
ability to shift your reality. Would you do that given
(28:24):
the opportunity, given the chance, would you shift reality? And
what kind of reality would you shift into? Or would
you more want to mess with time? That one's interesting.
So this this episode, it was it was definitely a
little on the different side, but I thought it was
(28:44):
pretty good. I really did some of the topics, some
of the things that had tackled, definitely getting into the
Mandela effect. It definitely made me question what I had seen,
what I had read throughout the episode. It definitely made
me rewind and rewatch because that Mandela effect. That one
(29:07):
threw me for a loop, it really did. So anyway,
that's all I got for y'alls. That is it, y'alls
having yourself a great one and I will see you
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Podcast join host Ho Ho as he discusses the riveting
Netflix original series Black Mirror. Now Here he is broadcasting
from Weapinar Saft Production Studio B. Welcome to Black Maror
Podcast and as always, I'm your host ho Ho. So hoy,
(00:33):
y'all was doing I hope you're doing good? I really do,
because today we are continuing in season seven with episode
two titled bet Noir. Now this was a pretty decent episode,
not my favorite, but still a pretty solid episode, just
with some of the topics that it was talking about
and some of the things that it tackled. I did
(00:56):
like it. I really did that ending, however, only crap
that thing was powerful. That woo boy howdy that any
But before we get into any of that, spoiler alert,
we are going to be talking about the episode. So
if you have not yet watched Bette Noir, head on
over to Netflix check out that episode, and then come
(01:18):
on back for the discussion. Let's get into it now.
This episode is started off typical Black Mirror fashion. You've
got Maria who is in well, she has a she's
developing a new flavor of something using a type of
a jam. I forget exactly what is called and she
uses her boyfriend as the guinea pig. I mean, how
(01:40):
often does that happen? Right? You know, we come up
with a new creation in the kitchen, and you know,
you gotta have guinea pigs to try it out, and
you use your family member, whether it be spouse, whether
it be boyfriend, children, who knows, but you always use something.
Has that ever happened to you? Have you ever, you know,
made a new creation in the kitchen and you just
(02:04):
use somebody else as your guinea pig. I mean, I
know I've been used. I've been used several times by
new creations. I think it's kind of common practice. But anyway,
we come to find out that Maria is in the
R and D department of a food company, where, at
least in this case, she brings a new twist to
(02:24):
an old favorite, a type of candy bar. And when
she's at work, it starts off with, you know, she's
behind the glass with some of her colleagues. There are
some people in a taste testing room about ready to
taste her new creation, and in walks Verity. She's a
(02:45):
little late to the party, but she comes in, she
sits down, and we come to find out by the
conversation that Maria is having it you know, back behind
the glass, that her and Verity used to go to
school together, that she was a bit odd and she
was a little bit of a computer geek. And Verity
(03:07):
ends up saving the taste test because nobody really likes
it whenever they first take, you know, whenever they first
take their little sample bite, they don't really like it.
She gives another gives it another chance, and she's like,
oh well, it's actually ten times better, and she gets
everybody else to try it too, and lo and behold,
(03:30):
everybody's kind of liking it. After the taste test, Marie
is in the bathroom and walks Verity and they have
a little bit of a reunion talking about the good
old days, you know, with how school was back in
the day. We come to find out that, you know,
there was a rumor that went around about Verity, and
(03:56):
Verity is actually going to be interviewing for a a
position there at the company, in the R and D department.
Maria's like, no, I don't know of any such job opening.
She's like, oh yeah, well I've seen it online and
it's like, oh well, okay, my department she has the interview,
she gets accepted, and Maria is she's kind of skeptical
(04:20):
about things. She really is, and we actually come to
find out through watching the episode that she's very leary
a Verity because she's actually feeling kind of guilty about
their past, and Maria doesn't necessarily trust her, doesn't think
that Verity belongs, you know, that type of thing going on.
(04:49):
And Maria she's talking with her boss and she's like,
you know, you need to do a better job checking
her background, and he's like, Okay, I'll look into it
if it's going to make it happy. Later on at home,
she's talking with her husband or I'm sorry, Maria is
talking with her boyfriend, and we come to find out
(05:11):
a little bit more about their history. Whenever they were
in school. We found out that Verity it was rumored
that she had a relationship with one of her teachers.
We found out about her nickname, We found out a
few things right, definitely some bullying was going on, and
(05:36):
we find out that Maria definitely does not like Verity
being there. She definitely does not want her working in
the same department that Maria is working. Definitely does not
want that at all. For whatever reason, and we really
don't find out the full depth of that reason until,
you know, basically towards the end and the next day.
(06:02):
This is whenever things start getting weird. Oh wait, I
forgot something. I got to backtrack a little bit because
they're having a discussion and this was before things really
start getting weird, right, But they're having a discussion about
(06:24):
a chicken company called Barney's. Now Maria is convinced that
it's Bernie's. She is definitely convinced of the name. She's like, no,
it's absolutely Bernie's. B er I know it is. I
have a boyfriend who used to work there. He still
(06:45):
has the hat. I see it all the time. And
they end up googling it, and lo and behold the
computer Google. The search engine says Barney's bar in Ies,
and it's like huh. And she goes home and she
(07:07):
looks at the hat, and the hat at this point
says Barney's, and I'm like, Okay, now I'm curious. So
at this point, seventeen minutes and ten seconds into the episode,
I rewind it virtually all the way to the beginning
because I have to know what did this hat say?
Earlier in the episode because they have this hat like
(07:29):
sitting on the countertop virtually front and center. I mean
it wasn't technically center, but it was definitely front so
that this way you can see the hat. And I'm like,
i gotta check this out. And it definitely said Bernie's
in the beginning, and I'm like, Okay, something's going on here.
(07:54):
I mean, this is a Mandela effect worse as I've
ever seen, and you know, Fidella effect. And they even
talk about Mandela effects in this episode. You know, they
talk about the the monopoly guy whether or not he
had the monocle right, And I remember other different Mandela
effect things. I remember the about the cornucopia that was
(08:18):
in the Fruit of the Loom logo. I remember about
various movies, one of which being a movie that Shack
started called Shazam from way back in the day he
was a genie. And this is a movie that is
actually hard to find. I mean I remember having this
movie back whenever it was on VHS, so that tells
(08:39):
you how long ago this is. But this is something
that isn't even found in Shaq's filmography. And there's been
other things, different things that were spelled different ways, apostrophes
that were in different places. You know, do you remember
any type of Mandela effect things from things how you
(08:59):
remember it from back in the day to how people
may remember it now. Are there any particular that you remember?
Is there anything that you know happened one way but
nobody else seems to remember? And like with the Fruit
of the Loom cornicopia, that one's interesting because even though
(09:21):
you can find pictures and evidence that there was a cornucopia,
there are people in the company that say, no, it's
not like that. The cornucopia has never been in the logo,
we don't know what you people are talking about. I mean,
you want to talk about gas lighting, I mean, holy crap,
(09:41):
And they talk about that in the episode. I mean
you want to talk about gaslighting? I mean, holy crap
Mandela effects? Are there any that you remember from your
childhood that other people just don't seem to remember the
same way that you did? Now, Like I was saying before,
you know, this is whenever this episode makes a turn
because you know, uh, Maria gets to work and Verity
(10:07):
is like, why are you late? You missed the meeting,
and Maria is like, what meeting? There was no meeting?
I don't know what you're talking about. I said, yeah,
the email was sent out. It's like, oh, it must
have went to my spam folder. Holy crap. And then
we see Verity get this weird look on her face, right,
(10:33):
she gets this weird look on her face, this strange expression,
and she walks around, she walks around the counter. She
opens up the mini fridge and she just she pulls
out this this container of almond milk. She rips open
(10:55):
the seal and just starts guzzling, you know. And I
was like put off by this. I mean I really was.
I was like, what in the world is going on?
Because I mean just the complete shift in facial expression,
in in a posture, and in everything about Verity, Like
(11:20):
it was a change that was like that, and I'm like,
what in the world is going on? The look on
her face, everything, what she did, It was like, holy,
what's going on? I mean, this was this was my
your I don't want to say, your first indication that
something is definitely going on here, but it was definitely off.
(11:41):
I mean, I don't know if I was thinking robot,
I don't know if I was thinking aliens. I mean,
like I had no idea I mean, it was just
it was just so strange, so out of place. It
just felt weird. It felt wrong, you know. And after
she gets done guzzling as much as she can of
(12:03):
the almond milk, she drops it onto the floor. She
walks back around the counter and goes and sits down
in her seat, and by now everybody else shows up
from the meeting, and her boss is like, why weren't
you at the meeting, And Maria's like, I didn't know
about the meeting. It must have went to my spam folder,
you know that the email was sent out. I didn't
get it. It must have went to my junk folder.
(12:24):
I have no idea. And then the gal who actually
owned the almond milk comes around to the other side
of the counter, sesus sitting on the ground, and was like, dude,
what is going on here? Somebody took this drank it
dumped it on the floor. What the heck? I bought
this thing brand new today. And then Verity pipes up
(12:48):
and she's like, well, I didn't want to say anything,
but it was Maria that did it. She got this
weird look on her face and she just opened it
up and started drinking and Maria's like, no, that is
absolutely not what happened. And then their boss is like, well,
we can just watch the video. There's a camera right there.
(13:11):
We can watch the video and see exactly what happened.
And so they did. And while they're watching the video,
what we see y'all play on screen is not what
we've just seen happen, I mean, because the story that
Verity actually came up with is what we see. And
it's like, dude, that's not what happened. What in the
(13:32):
world is going on? Holy crap, this is just weird, right.
And throughout all this, you know, Maria loses her job,
and you know, Maria is trying to link up with
wonderful old classmates, and she ends up calling the husband
(13:57):
of Natalie, which is one of the persons one of
the people that she sees in a photographs that has
Verity in the background, and she's definitely wanting to touch
base with Natalie to find out if Natalie had or
I'm sorry, if Verity had reached out to Natalie because
(14:21):
of their past, and she ends up calling the husband, well,
she ends up calling Natalie, but it's the husband that
picks up and we come to find out that Natalie
actually committed suicide. It's like whoa. And Maria is prying
and prying and prying, and she's getting a little belligerent
(14:42):
with this. I mean, she's definitely very much off putting.
And she basically gets told by the husband, don't call back,
I don't ever want to talk to you again, hangs
up on her. Maria loses her job after a blow
up at work and she ends up following Verity home.
(15:08):
And whenever she follows her home, she comes to find
out that Verity is living in this nice mansion. She
breaks in and she sees this computer, this server, a
pretty good sized server, right, and she sneaks in. She
goes upstairs, and she sees this, all this stuff that
(15:32):
just makes no sense to Maria whatsoever. She sees Verity
like on a throne. She sees Verity as a on
the cover of a magazine. She sees a picture of
Verity with her in a spacesuit like she was an astronaut.
(15:53):
She sees all this stuff makes no sense whatsoever. And
she was able to figure out that whatever Verity was doing,
she was using this pendent in order to do it.
And so the mission that Maria had in breaking in
was getting this pendant. She ends up locating it, but
(16:13):
by the time she does, Verdy had finished with her shower,
because that was, you know, how she was able to
get up there unseen and unheard because Verity was playing
some music per duoud. Verdi gets done with the shower,
Maria goes and hides under the bed. Verity shuts off
the music, and Maria is freaking out hiding underneath the bed,
(16:38):
trying to use the pendant in the same way that
Verity had used the pendant, and whenever Maria hit the button,
the computer made a noise that Verity understood full well
what that noise means. So she gets up out of
(16:58):
the bed and she calls out, get out from under
the bed. I'll call the police. Marie comes out from
under the bed, and that's where we find a bunch
of things out. We find out that, you know, one,
we found out that Natalie didn't just kill herself. She
(17:21):
was pushed to it by Verity. And Verity was even
bragging because it took Verity a month to push Natalie
to those ends and basically was able to do the
same thing to Maria in a week, So she was
kind of bragging about that, and Verity had found out
(17:42):
through Natalie that it was Maria who actually started all
of the nasty rumors about Verity, and it was like,
holy crap, and we found out that the rumors weren't
true and that the teacher whom she was accused of
(18:05):
having relations with was just a teacher that was nice
to her, the only one that was nice to her.
And she got into computers because computers just made sense,
and she built this computer, quantum computer, and this quantum
computer had the ability to shift her into a reality
(18:31):
that matched exactly what she wanted that reality to be
an alternate universe, if you will. And basically Verity said
that it didn't matter what she did, because Maria was like,
why don't you just make yourself, you know, queen Emperor,
(18:53):
and Veritie's like, Emperor the universe. Yeah, I've already done that.
That was like the first thing that I did. And
Verity said that it didn't matter how much she did,
what she accomplished, what the universe looked like. She still
had that hole because of how she was treated in school,
(19:22):
and she basically framed Maria for breaking into well not
really breaking in her home, because Maria definitely did that
but framed her as a Maria tried to kill her
in her own home. And this is where things went
from bad to worse because Maria reaches back, grabs the
(19:48):
gun in the officer's holster, points it at Verity, pulls
the trigger. Holy crap, I did not see that coming.
I mean, dude, I did not see that coming. I'm
us that my mouth must have dropped and hit the
floor whenever that happened. I was shocked. I was like, oh,
holy crap, I didn't expect that at all. Did you
(20:08):
Did you see that coming? Did you know what was
going to happen? Because I absolutely did not. It was
a complete shock to me. It absolutely was. She she
ends up getting shot like in the shoulder, and she
basically gets close to Verity's body. She makes it to
(20:29):
where she can control the computer, and she tells the
cops to oh, well, you know, she obviously killed herself.
You don't need to take me into custody. These are
not the George you're looking for. In fact, you want
to worship me because I am Empress of the universe.
Taking this thing full circle, because the first thing that
(20:54):
Verity said that she did was make herself Emperor of
the universe. And hear the first thing that Maria does
is make herself Empress of the universe. Holy crap. I
mean this one was Wow. It was a neat episode.
It really was. I thought that was definitely interesting on it,
(21:16):
especially with some of the topics that it that it
introduced and talked about, because well, first we have the
obvious and we've already touched based on this one the
Mandela effect. Again, is there any Mandela effect that you
remember from whenever you were younger that you remember a
certain way but other people may not, or maybe just
(21:37):
the mainstream doesn't remember it the same way that you do.
Do you remember whether or not the monopoly man had
a monocle? Do you remember the cornicopia in the Fruit
of the Loom logo? Is there anything else that you
remember differently than other people? Let me know, Send me
an email hoh at thehohoshow dot com. Now, another subject
(22:01):
that this Puppy really gets into and talks about is bullying,
and it talks about the effect that it has from
a victim standpoint and a perpetrator standpoint, because you know,
that's one of the things like Okay. Now, bullying is
(22:22):
something that is tackled and talked about in a lot
of different series, a lot of different movies, a lot
of different instances where it has done and handled handled
in different ways, and this one was this one. You know,
(22:44):
either you can be a victim of or you can
rise above. And Verity definitely took this to a It
changed everything about her. It defined her, you know what
I mean, like it deaf defined her and the only
way that she felt that she could get through it
(23:06):
was through revenge. But it definitely had an impact on
Maria though as well, because she lied to herself, changed
her identity, changed her environment. Well not okay, she changed
her own involvement in the bullying of a Verity because
(23:31):
she convinced herself that somebody else actually did it. And
it was only after being hit with the truth by
Verity did she even come clean to say, yes, okay,
I'm the one that did it. But you know what,
you never heard out of Maria, you didn't hear and
(23:53):
I'm sorry I was wrong. I shouldn't have done that.
You know. Yeah, there may have been a kids will
be kids kind of a thing, and there was definitely
a you know, you have this supercomputer that can do
an absolutely amazing thing, why don't you just change it?
And that's where Verie says that I tried, and that's
(24:16):
when she went on her mission of revenge. Have you
ever had something happen to you that you know in
your past that just defined you? Was it something that
you wished that you could change given the opportunity, would
(24:40):
you change something? I mean, I know there are some
several instances in my past that I would love to
just beat the everloving crap out of myself and just
be like, straighten up, you know, definitely. I mean I
know people who you know, got hurt at a very
young age and they have a scar. And I know
(25:04):
other people that has had things bad happen to them
that the scar has them. You can be a victim
of or you can rise above. It's a difference in mindset.
How is you know? We all have tragedies that happens
in our life. I mean, everybody has their own story,
and everybody's story is unique to them, and one person's
(25:27):
hell may be nothing to somebody else, but everybody has
their own hell. Everybody has their own experiences that they've
been through, things that they don't like things that has
affected them, and Maria in how she treated Verity was
no different in Verity's response to how she was treated
(25:52):
was no different because what happened with Verity, tragic as
it was, definitely showed you of what could happen on
the extreme level when revenge is what consumes you. And
then it gets into the whole alternate universe thing because
(26:16):
of this supercomputer being able to shift somebody into a
different reality, a reality of their own making, per se,
what would you do with that one? I mean, would
(26:37):
you make yourself empress or emperor of the universe? Holy crap?
I mean that was just whoa right? I mean, somebody
upon getting that type of power to actually shift the universe,
(26:57):
to change the reality that they're in. And it's like
the first thing that Maria does is the first thing
that Verity does being Empress of the universe. I mean
that was just that was interesting, right, because I'm remembering
back to the you know, to the magazine cover to
(27:17):
her being an astronaut, and I mean, who knows what
else Verity ended up doing because she could because she
had the power to do it. Interesting stuff. Given that
kind of power, would you do that, you know, And
(27:38):
that's even ignoring the possibility of there being alternate universes
where you know, whatever you think may be is you know,
I mean, there's all kinds of discussions about that when
I know Albert Einstein has had different theories on alternate
universes and alternate realities and whatnot. So that's that's ignoring
all of that. But it's the computer that has the
(28:01):
ability to do that, a supercomputer of what do they
call it? Quantum computer? Yeah, interesting stuff, interesting stuff, the
ability to shift your reality. Would you do that given
(28:24):
the opportunity, given the chance, would you shift reality? And
what kind of reality would you shift into? Or would
you more want to mess with time? That one's interesting.
So this this episode, it was it was definitely a
little on the different side, but I thought it was
(28:44):
pretty good. I really did some of the topics, some
of the things that had tackled, definitely getting into the
Mandela effect. It definitely made me question what I had seen,
what I had read throughout the episode. It definitely made
me rewind and rewatch because that Mandela effect. That one
(29:07):
threw me for a loop, it really did. So anyway,
that's all I got for y'alls. That is it, y'alls
having yourself a great one and I will see you
in the next one. Thank you for listening to the
Black Mirror podcast. If you would like to join the conversation,
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