August 4, 2025 • 53 mins
The Rabbi and DJ Kristyles explore the mindset of young Black men, the impact of small choices, and the harmful influence of commercialized rap. They discuss systemic control, economic disparity, and the need for Black ownership, responsibility, and community empowerment.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is WOVU Studios. Now you are now listening to
Black Thought. Everything must change on WOVU ninety five point
nine am. This is the Rabbi along with Chris Styles,
filling in for the Black Unicorn here on this Tuesday afternoon,
July the eight, twenty twenty five. Well, as many of
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you know earlier today on our Voices today book club,
Chris was filling in and we had a lively conversation.
And in that conversation Chris said some things that provoked
some additional thought, not that I don't think all right,
for some additional thought. And one of the things we
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came up with was the attitudes of many of our
black young men today. And as I did some reflection,
I recall Adrian Carter's book Black Fragility, and in it,
in it I wanted to go back and and read
letter to excerpt from his letter too, and and and
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and Chris, I want you to hear this and and
please join me in in discussion. He says, dear black men,
you have forfeited the leadership of your black families and communities.
A lot of the reasons that led to this were
not because of the man, the white man, Okay, it
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was stupidity, immaturity, and a deep misconception of what expressing
your manhood meant. I'm not overlooking the scarcity of resources
or your right to be angry be angry. I'm pointing
to that one moment in time, that fraction of a section,
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when you knew in your heart that your next course
of action was wrong and would set off a chain
of events, but you did it anyway. I'm talking about
the micro decisions you made when no one was looking.
But it created a character in you that lacked integrity
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over the long run, Those decisions that failed you, your family,
your black family, your black community. Find one of these
moments in your life and focus on it as you think,
no one made you do it. You chose to ignore
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that voice or reason, your mother, your father, your grandmother,
your pastor or teacher who told you right from wrong.
What was the impact of that decision? How many more
decisions like that have you made? What has it cost
you and those around you? You need to right those wrongs.
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This is not about being perfect, not about not making mistakes.
Whether you refer to them as bad decisions or mistakes,
they need to be corrected. Too many Black men believe
that success is determined by their proximity to whiteness, or
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evidenced by their drive for material expressions, their objectifification, their
objectification of black women, and their need to impress their
male peers. Rap music tells the tale of those behaviors
that undermine your identity and the Black community at large. Chris, Yes,
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what do you what say? Ye? You put me on
the spot. This war.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Gotta get you always gotta expend, spend the brain.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I like what he's talking about, especially when it hits.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
What excuse me?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
When he talks about those decisions when nobody's looking. Yes,
and how many times you make the decisions when nobody's
looking becomes a habit? Yes, and you keep doing it
becomes a habit and it creeps into you sublivately or
or conscious scuse under word unconsciously or consciously. Start making
decisions out loud that people can see it right, that
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you trained yourself long ago when nobody was watching. Uh
So I agree with him, with.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Them, I teach a thing no matter what the circumstances,
the choices or decisions that you make determine your habits.
Your habits determine your character, Your character determines your consequences,
and your consequences determine your destiny, correct, all right, And
I think that's what Carter is saying here, and he
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goes on to, uh, get on the rap music and
athletes you know, and their and their impact on many
of the decisions we make. And we were talking about
that this morning.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Okay, so we go look at the bigger and I
know where he's getting it. So we gotta look at
the bigger, the bigger, the bigger picture of that, right,
the bigger picture of when we're talking about rap music,
to control who controls the rap yes, right. So when
we were talking about who controls and who controls the labels,
who control the music, controls the streaming, they controlled.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
By white men and by white people, yes, right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So they're going to gear towards the negative imagery which
A is selling and which B is destroying something. It
is an agenda out there. Because when I was coming
up within rap music, when you had the NWA, which
NBA wasn't talking about killing the black mans, talking about
the planks in the community, yes, right, yeah, But when
you did have that at the time, you also had
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to try call quest. You also had a dayla. So
you also had you know, the Junger Brothers, right, you
also have public Indemy. You had all these conscious taib quality.
And although you had all these other conscious we were
called conscious rap.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yes there were there was out there at the time.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
When they figured out that sex, violence and drugs was
could push a culture, it could push money, it could
push make revenue of course, and destroy community at the
same time. Right, the bigger the jenda of the bigger
thing is we're going to push this out here.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And so that's when you.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Talk about the commercialism of rap music, the commercialism of.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The hip hop culture.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
They start pushing that side of it, television, radio, things
like that. And now the positivity of that rap music
that we do have out there, which is tons out there.
It's not getting the press that you wanted to get.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Can you put a comma right there? Yes? Okay, we
we talk We talk about the business portion, okay. And
when we take and understand that America is not a country.
America is a business. It is based on the capitalist principle.
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And they reject socialism, all right, not because of Marxism,
all right, but because socialism is a biblical concept and
also was fostered by a black man named Frederick Lacelle.
All right, and so he he Marx is not the
father of Marx, marxist of socialism, all right, LaSelle is.
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But even before la Selle, you have to go into acts,
the book of Acts, you know. Uh uh, doctor, doctor
Matthews and Philip, we maybe can take that up next week. Uh.
But when we understand these things, and that go back
to that America is not a country. It is a
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business and its principles. It's basic doctor in the constitution
is business management and business principles. And so uh it
makes sense then to put something on the market that
would take and continue to domesticate, all right, and dominate
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the culture that you you are suppressing, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yes, yes, And then what it does is and at
all these years of now it's become the new pop
music as you I would call it hip hop became
the new is the most popular music. And that's of
course all cultures are racists, yes, right, And it became
so much that back to doctor Umar, it's it's some
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things I agree with them as much as recrue this genre.
We own zero equity in it, do we?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I thought that was some of us. No, no, jay
Z don't okay, Okay, the percentage of ownership.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I'm talking about when you want to make things move
and shape.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, all right, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Moving and shaker.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So we add we own zero percentage of that? What
have hip hop built at the end of the day.
And I agree with him, and you start sending back like, oh,
a genre who helped pay me money? Right, genre to
help me get my career in that? What genre? What
do we own?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
What does hip hop own? What have they created? What
have they built?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Build great individuals, small, small portions of things for the
grand scheme of that. We talked about a thing that
was that were made if it could go way back.
I just heard it was a gospel singer who actually
grabbed So that was one of the first, Like, oh,
they was doing it in the sixties, right, fifties actually
it was like forties or fifties in that style tone.
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What have that genre created and built that? They took
it and said, we can control black people, we can
control this amount, right, and they have and they profited
off of us a billion times over. And I'm saying this,
say that to say this, they use these type of weaponry,
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rap music, hip hop culture didn't put its negative like
we're talking about in the eighties when the crackdemic epidemic
came here. Right, do you use a lot of these
things to shift and section us off and then they wave, Hey, you.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Could live here in the suburbs. This is how you
want to live. Just how you want to live.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You want to live like that, right, So all we
see growing up is the white culture of are they're
living like that? That's how we're supposed to live. Gentify
us out into the suburbs.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I struggle with that. Okay, Okay, When I grew up
here in Cleveland. Although I'm from Making, Georgia, I grew
up here in Cleveland. Cleveland had the best educational system
in the country. It was a model for the rest
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of the country and those of us who are still
living who are educated in the black community. Wooldridge Dyke Elementary,
John Burrow, some others, Conard, Central, East Tech, Central Old
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Central High School. My parents my dad fourth grade education,
but he could read, write, and do math. M My
mom tenth grade education, but she could read right and
do math. Trying to figure out what has happened.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, so so we're back where we're at in the beginning.
So it's the same spot. Yeah, okay, well you know
we're we're we are there. I'm in the same spot.
I'm always where was the breakage at? And and I
think we had this conversation before. I loved had this
conversation because we don't talk about it enough right as
a as a culture after the Civil Rights movement, after
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this moment that we had. I said this all the time,
it was a biout biot that was taken. And I'm
not saying minetary biot. I don't know what it was,
but cultural buyout.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It was a cultural buyout something.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
There was a buyout when we start talking about the
movement ceased right after doctor Martin Luther King and Michael
max I put them up there too. We're assassinated. The
movement didn't move anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We also got we also got Rev. Jackson Jackson.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
All Sharp and they had their movement stand the Rainbow
Coalition and the Action Network. But that's all I've seen.
But it never translated to anything else after that, Like
the movement is like we just stopped. We got this
and then it just stopped. And then you go into
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the seventies and eighties, then all of a sudden got
this crack epidemic, which it was huge, huge in our community,
especially the eighties in the early nineties. They didn't they
didn't stop, they didn't start sending people to jail heavy
until the white folks started doing crack.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm hearing you. I'm hearing you, and I I'm I'm
sensing where I feel something else took place doing that
period of time.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, so you wouldn't know that's what I'm expecting.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Because I'm it's just there's a There was also in
this period of time a political shift all right. Where
I grew up as a Republican, Okay, then as I
got into my early adulthood, U because of the movement,
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we felt that we were Republicans and we had a stronghold.
We had a base in the Republican Party and the Democrats,
who were called the Dixiecrats. Okay, we couldn't get any
we couldn't get any traction, and so many of us
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young people decided that we shifted from the Republican Party.
We let our parents, grandparents stay over here, they could
hold this down. We would shift over to the Democratic Party.
All right and began to impact and influence the Democratic Party.
Now we have a base in both parties. Look what
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we could do in that shifting. Something else happened. The
ultra conservative Democrat, all right, move believe the radar moved
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from the Democratic Party into the Republican Party and kind
of left us, okay with the Democrats while they came
and re entrenched themselves. And now I think what we're
feeling and seeing today is the early planting of that
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conservative Democrat in the Republican Party, if I'm making sense, okay,
And now they have taken and labeled the Democrats something
that we are not and what most of us, I believe,
do not really understand. And I can give you some examples.
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For the most part of J. A. Rodgers read his
book from Superman the Man. Please read his book from
Superman the Man, and you will get by drift of
what has happened. We are we are black people for
the most part, have been conservatives. Yeah, okay, I remember,
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I remember when the Platters were caught with Heroin, all right, uh,
and that that ended their career. They never they never
bounced back because the black community took the hands off
of them. Ray Charles was able to make a comeback, okay,
although he was found to be a drug addict, all right,
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And so, uh, the the the these the data has
been shifted or or manipulated in a way. Uh. They
have demonstrated that we were more in moral, our young
our young black women were more in moral than white
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women because our young women were having more babies out
of wedlock. All right, our girls, our young women were
having the babies Mama was taking care of Grandmama was
taking auntie. Maybe the baby was sent down South and
raised by someone down there. Well, the white girl the
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summer in Europe was for abortion purposes, or the would
have the baby and put the baby up for adoption
in European orphanages. And so the data became skewed. It
looked like, you know, black people were more immral promiscuous,
if you will, than white folks. All right, That gave
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them a greater sense of superiority, if you will. And
these kinds of games that get played overall, the more
black men in prison than white men, Well you got
white judges. A white boy get busted for the same crime, convicted,
he gets probation, all right, or something happens whether the
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drug of the charges get dropped. Okay, insufficient evidence because
maybe the judge and dad or granddad or uncle or
brother somebody is that the same country club, or play
plays golf with the judge. Okay, these kinds of things
that go on, and so it ends up making us
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look like we are the most decadent people. Yet we
are the most moral and most conservative, more conservative people.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
More conservative people on the planet.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yes, a lot of the things we talked about, abortions,
like I said before, yeah it is and our culture
going to get it. But it's not as high as
you would think. I would think it's very low, considering
a lot of our babies or habit as fourteen fifty
six sety eight are having kids.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I I agree with you, But again it's skewed, all right,
and it's skewed for even even more programmatic reasons. White
agencies now get the money, all right to service people.
I'm I was looking at some data.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Is a lot of this stuff is potentially done. Like
I know, when people say there's an agenda, right, and
when people say, well, it's an agenda for this, this
agenda to emasculate the black man, it's an agenda. I
was like, is there an agenda.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Emescualate the black man?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Or is an agenda messinlate all men with their agenda
domsinate all man. You know what, when you talk about
some of these issues, it's always, well, it's it's an
agenda for them to do something with, says So I'm axing.
If it's an agenda, it had to be a whole
glomorate of people is all on the same page and
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back doors saying this, So who's pulling the strings?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
There? There is a book.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Because because I'm only talking about I'm sorry that because
I'm talking about when we talk about this, we weren't talking
about this about the United States. It's a whole world
out there.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Well, there's a book called Neo Tech, which is the
blueprint for creating world anarchy. Okay, all right, the first
part of the book I'm gonna try. I got it
into my library somewhere. I had pulled it out and
I don't know where I put it. Okay, Okay. The
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first part of the agenda is to discredit the religious movement,
the church and clergy all right, to newter their influence
vis a vis the attack on Jake's Noel Jones, you know,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Therein to answer your question,
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do you're both awkward? It's it's too to to emasculate
the black male in uh, to masculate the male in
gen in general, and to masculate the black male in particular,
because that's the foundation of the family, that's where the
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real leadership comes from. And I, you know, and I
don't want to get caught up in the Women's Now
movement dynamics. I have no use for it whatsoever. And
I've made that very clear uh to them, And because
I think a couple of years ago, I have to
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tell them, you know, you want us to come out
and walk and walk and support you, but where you
when we have an issue, you know where to be found. Uh.
But that that for me, For me now, that is
a message from the white woman to the white man
that because of his inhumaneness, all right, she has no
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longer any use for it for him. But it also
gave her the opportunity and tool to begin to emasculate
the black man. Because it is my belief that because
of what we have gone through these last four hundred
and sixty years, This is not the first time I
said this on this show. That we have endured everything
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they've thrown at us. They've thrown at us, the cultural
atomic bombs, so to speak, all right, and we survived it.
And because of that, the black male will be the
salvation of this country, all right. And because and because
of the contributions that we have made in the past,
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they fear us. This is why we're hated. You hate
what you fear, all right. And so so is it
directed at us in particular? Yes? And is it directed
at us as men? You're just as men, period. Yes,
because that that that that eve, that eve gene wants
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to dominate.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
So who's pulling these strings when we're talking about because
when when you look online, when you hear people talking
in your circles, Remember I tell people social media is
whatever you have in your circle. Right when we talk
about online, social media is whatever your algorithm says. And
who do you allow in your in your cyber cyber sphere.
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So well, whoever you allowed it is that your cyber circle.
It's not gonna go outside of that. But as I
tell people that have these conversations, and I said, okay,
we're looking at it of the United States point of view.
I want to look at things that a world of view.
A lot of things they say, it's going on in
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the United States, this is what.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
They're trying to do. This is what they do.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But you go to other countries, it's like they're not
even seen it the way we're seeing it. You know,
when I went to India, they look at the United
States like, man, your presidence is kind of shaky right now.
The way they look at the white counterparts. It's different
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for the way they look at me and you. Matter
of fact, they didn't even know we were from the
United States. I actually thought we were from South Africa. Okay,
to us that no, we're Americans. It's like, oh, I
didn't know. But then they never seen black Americans. Okay,
that's it's a difference. He never seen a black American.
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And then as as me and my wife started telling
about our plights, and they're like, no, it's not all
roses for us inside of this country.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
We got to navigate through a lot to get where
we had to be able to travel. And they asked
the question, but.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Why these more you guys travel mm hmm. That's a
whole nother right, and then start to see. That's what
I'm saying, just look at this the worldview. Why does
when we talk about the United States or these issues,
it's only tailored to the United States. And when I
thinking outside of the box of okay, it's a whole
world that's moving around too. And I think some people
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look at our issues here like the whole world is
going through it, like the whole what they talking about
is the agenda? Is the agenda just for the United States?
Or the agenda for China? Is the agenda for Korea?
Is the agenda for you know, different eyelids? That's That's
what I'm saying, Like, who could pull it those strings?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I think? I think why then you know, just to
take it from a come from a different angle. There
is a natural law, okay, and this is a a
for every action is an opposite but equal reaction. So
natural you have natural law. So there's a natural pull
or pushed back against natural law. Uh and natural law
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is that that that law that says that all human
beings have I was just quoting J. A. Rodgers where
he says that uh abdul Baha says the earth is
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but one country, and mankind is a citizens. Okay. So
when when you look at it that way, okay, or
when you take in take all the blood of all
the human beings and put them in one pot, it's
all the same, right okay, But yet in it you
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will have different characteristics based on but what what ethnicity
it came from. But yet all the blood is the same.
And so we, uh, we have to take and I
want to get someone who really can speak to this
better than I can. Kyle Early's sister. I'm gonna call
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her and see if I can get her to come
over here good and come on the show of Doctor
Sierra Morgan. She's over an Akron. Oh, she's an expert
on this and our worldview of diurnal logic, okay, uh,
the afro centric worldview. In fact, she's the one who's
really got me kickstarted.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I just think of things like that Rabbi of you
know when you start looking at it, and I'm like, yo,
because me and my wife we travel everywhere. We're just
traveling people the different countries, and you know they don't
see a lot of us, but sit back and look
their play or their people talk about agendas. Does it
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affect these people here or are they even thinking about
an agenda. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I hear you, I hear you. But but fortunately you
have you and your wife have the kind of disposable
income that allows it, or you have disciplined yourself both okay, okay, okay,
all right too, Uh where the masses of black people
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are just so I have to concentrate this on the
the day to day kinds of thing of making a
living that don't have the disposable income, or they choose
to use the disposable income. I had to put put
put my family in check. All right. We were spending
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for Thanksgiving dinner five five, five to six hundred dollars
for dinner for the family. You know who's in all
this food? Hold up and and and they would come in.
Me and my wife would get up, you know, five
or six o'clock in the morning and cooking, you know,
and everything. They would come in, Uh dinners at four o'clock,
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six o'clock, they were gone. You know, they need to
come to spend it.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
That would find me, so that would bind me.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This yesterday there before yesterday, Uh went to the pool,
came back my in law, my mother in law, and
my my sister in law came back to her house.
They went to buy some food. So my wife, who
she get cooked, but she does like to cook all
the time because our kids are older, they're something college.
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So we moved around a little bit different. We don't
cook for each other.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We get there when we get there.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So it ended up my wife started cooking his food,
all this food she could get. My mother in law
bought it with my sister in law, and it goes
back to what you said.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
My wife was done cooking that. My mother in law
was like, now, my wife said.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Hey, who's put cooking these biscuits?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You gotta put the biscuit in.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And my mother in law was like, no, We're just
gonna pack all the food up and make the biscuit
in my house.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Like no, no, no, no, oh no you're not.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I ain't gonna cook all this food that you were leaving.
You're gonna stay here and eat as a family. It
goes back to what you said you did all this
six am, the four yeah and six they're leaving, and
it goes back to again no money and everything.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
We go back to the beginning.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Uh, we got the worldly view of things and back
to our plights and everything when I'm looking like this
is why the internet is so dangerous, This is why
AI is so dangerous, putting out these images and this
false narrative of some things. Of now all are black folks,
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sticks and an agenda and agenda there is it is one.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
What do we do about it?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Instead of saying there's an agenda?
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Okay, what you're going to do about it?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
How do we navigate it? Or how do we counter it? Yes? Right, yes?
So what do we do that?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, that's the question, instead of talking about it, Okay,
what's next?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, I think in our domestication, and I'm not making excuses,
I'm not making excuses for us, But in our domestication,
we go back to a couple of terms I like using.
We're either skillfully irresponsible or willfully irresponsible. Skillfully irresponsible means
we don't have the tools to be responsible. No one
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has taught us, knowing has showed us how to be responsible.
Willfully responsible means we choose to be irresponsible because it
means we have to give up being the victim, and
sometimes we enjoy more being the victim and not producing.
I can't do it because the white man, because of
the system. Okay, all right, I like that, okay. And
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so when when you take and put those factors into play,
all right, it allows us to not be productive. I
can't be productive because I don't know how well. I
can't be productive, but I choose not to because it
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means that I got to get off of my butt now,
all right and do something and not be the victim.
You know. We we we we are the consumers. Angela Davis,
back doing the movement, was labeled a communists. I don't
know whether she was or not, but she said that
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that the the black community has been designated to be
the the consumer class of this country.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
What's she wrong?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
No? Okay? And so but history dictates that any group, race,
or culture, or nationality of people, nation of people who
were not productive was soon annihilated, all right, And so
we must begin to become productive, all right, regardless of
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how they react to it. Famous Amos made the cookie,
but then he sold out to Nobisco. Nobisco sold out
to whoever they sold out to. The old Nobisco factory
is right there at eighty where eighty ninth. Buckeye and
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Woodland kind of merged right there, all right. That brig
Rid that's a junk yard there, But that building used
to be the Nobisco plant. Okay we we uh we
had seay Postropedic Mattress was a Cleveland Country company made
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at sixty between sixty thirty and sixty six in Woodland, Okay,
white On, Hugo Boss and Joseph and feiss Over on
the west side. Most of the employees there were African Americans.
The cutters, the the the the people who operated as
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the surgers, the machines that sowd sold the garments together
were African Americans. Yet when you know when these places
went belly up and decided to move on Fisher Body
one hundred and forty from Coit, you know, why were
we not able to take our pennies on nickels and
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dimes and come together and take those places over and
and and continue the back We were running the machines
already We had to know how part of it was
because they kept us at an economic level where we
couldn't well. We were so busy trying to get some
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porking beans and wieners so the family could eat that
we had no excess. But yet over the years, I
know that in nineteen seventy three when I went off
to college. We had the economic we had economic crash
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back then, Okay, and there was only one industry in
this country that was considered profitable, the church. And that's
the only thing in mass that we owned. We own
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our We said, what do we own? We own our churches.
I remember at New Bethlehem Man, I grew up in
New Bethlehem in sixty fifth in Woodland, Reverend CJ. Thompson.
Almost every Sunday you could go downstairs, man and get
a chicken dinner for a dollar dollar and a half.
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And the church made money. You had on Saturdays all
right in the summertime you come up to the church
and get a barbecue dinner two bucks. So we were
able to take through the church and develop successful enterprises
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to finance the church. Why can't we do the same
kinds of things to finance businesses factories for ourselves? If
that makes sense. Now we have a historical history that says,
well we are successful. They're coming, and they're coming in
a violent kind of way. Past forty six black community
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that have been communities that have been decimated because we
were successful. Rosewood, Greenwood, Elaine in Arkansas, Atlanta Central Park
was flooded. All right, Now you know that.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
They bombed yes, yes, yes, they bombed down one if
you can look down on up Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
And so there's that we know of that forty six
recorded that we know of black communities that were decimated
because we were successful. So as we move forward in
these things and we move out of the mindset of
domestication and dominant being dominated, we know that that violent
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nature is going to rise up against us. Why don't
we put something in place to make sure that we
can defend ourselves if necessary.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So let's think about this. Let's look at this. If
they know.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
One I think it is white guilt, and one one
is white guilt, and one is white greed, right greed,
and another one is is just afraid of us, And
they're afraid of us because I really believe I think
Dave Chappelle said this, or comedians are smart, I'm gonna
let you all know that now. Comedians are very very smart.
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I think they are scared that we're gonna do the
same thing that happened to us, that we're going to
enslave them.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
And I don't think well.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
The Caribbean, the Caribbean uprising Haiti Dominican Republic. Okay, the
hate the Caribbean Uprising. They annihilated white folks in the Caribbean,
and so they think that we will do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I think that's on their minds, not knowing.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I don't think we would do that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I don't think a commatic law won't allow us, at
least me.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
As just a we're just we ain't gonna do that.
It's just too much to comfortably, right. But if they're
smart enough, and I'm talking about whoever those people are,
they I don't know who they are, because it's a
big system, right. If they allow us to have economic
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access or just be even do you know how much.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Parody parody that this country would thrive and be number
one in the world world because you allow us to
do what we need to do to put more money.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Into the system. We don't trust the system. We are
natural consumers now. But if you allow us to be
as productive and do it, give us parody, give us
equal you can have the world dominance the way you
want to have the world dominance. Tariffs father said, you
get a half that you get the kind of me
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can flourish if you allow it just our sector people
to flourish in this world. And I think they coughing
those spies of face.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I think, I think I agree with you, and I
agree with your reasoning, and I agree with your conclusion.
But if I if I was to add a carry
out caveat to uh, what you're saying is that they
have to take and admit that they've been liars for centuries.
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Oh yeah, yeah, and that's something that's very difficult for
them to do, to say, hey, we've lied. These are
these black people viable and productive, we've stolen uh from
them to to to make ourselves look like we are
the purveyors of civilization, et cetera. And uh, and they can't.
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The reptilian, the reptilian hemisphere of their brain won't allow
them to say that that reptilian side of the brain
is a cold blooded and it has it has no
warmth to it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
And then it goes back to our point in the beginning,
and when we're talking about a book club. Now, okay,
now we just got to build our own. But then
you go back to, well, they won't allow us to
build our own. I guess this is an evolving circle
of that we just can't get out.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I think we can build our own, but we have
to be mindful that it has to be protected. Yes, Okay,
that's okay, there, it is right. We can do it,
but it has to be protected, all right. And they
have because they have used their their development of legal
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law to usurp divine and natural law right, okay, uh?
And so because and as we look at the political
climate of this country right now, we see them positioning
themselves to keep control of legal law right to take
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and continue to usurp divine and natural law.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
But if they would step back and leave it alone,
as you're saying, it would develop to something that would
benefit everybody, even themselves, and truly make us one of
the most powerful, if not the most powerful nation and
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ever in history. It would this would surely not make
America great again, but it would make America great.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
And I believe that. I don't know if they see
it again. I don't know if they're seeing it that way. No,
they're not, and they should.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
They don't because they're so selfish and selfishness. Listen, selfishness
causes you to be shortsighted. HM.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
But what have you.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It goes back to the beginning. What you said doing
a book club. You have everything already, like you you
have everything?
Speaker 3 (44:12):
How what are you talking about? The Roman Empire? How
did it? How did it self destruct?
Speaker 1 (44:18):
And raising your children? Did you ever have your two
kids on the floor with their toys, all right? And
one kid got and it looks over and the other
kid got and that one kid wants everything all right
and doesn't want to can't play with what has got
already got more than they can play with, but it
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wants what the other kid has, all right, because I
don't have what that other kid has. It's it's just selfishness,
the selfish greed. Those are human negative attributes that that
is that it's not just white folks. But it's played
out because they have used violence and intimidation. And now
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you know, I heard something the other day, Uh, and
they did. How the United States does not want other
countries that have nuclear weapons? But what was the what's
the only country in the history of mankind that has
used the nuclear weapon against another country? Us the United States?
Speaker 2 (45:27):
And it used it against the country We didn't really
need to use it on and and at the end
of the day, that country end up on and everything.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
And I think they think that's the same thing that's
gonna happen to us. And therein lies again we go
back to that nut again. The meat of the nut,
all right, is that they're afraid that everybody's gonna do
to them what they've done to everybody.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well we we we knew Japan m hm, Yes, the bombs,
two of them, I think, Nagasaki and Hirozema, and hundreds
of years later, howeven years ago, I know I'm exaggerating,
but now they as a lot of the technology.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yes, yes, yeah, made in Japan. They made in China's
made in Japan.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Right, Yeah, they figured out another way to get to us.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Well, I think I think it's part of Chris. I
think it goes back to they have embraced the civilization
that we created in a different kind of way, all right,
and used it in creative kinds of ways rather than
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trying to dominate some other people. They tried it and
it failed because they're they're, they're they're Their attack on
Pearl Harbor was a move to to along with Germany,
was to take over the world world dominance. I think
they saw how foolish it was right after. Unfortunately, the
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way uh they came to that conclusion was unfortunate. But
yet they have decided to use the technology, uh, the
base the basis of civilization in a creative, uh and
constructive kind of way where this guy still wants to
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try to intimidate, intimidate, And my thing, I think as
we move towards the end of the show, I want
to even even more give out the I'm I'm I'm struggling.
I'm struggling, Chris, what you know with What can I
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say to our young people that will allow them to
really hear me? I'm looking at what goes on every
weekend at Cedar, I mean not at Cedar, but at
Lee and.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Harvard harv Is other spots too.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
But I'm just talking about how they can and they
they're doing the donuts and and and then the shooting
there a couple of weeks ago out out of that.
Don't you see that what you're doing? Don't I don't
have no problems with your owning dirt bikes and motorcycles
and try bikes and whatnot. You have no problems with that? Well,
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why must you come together as a mob almost Why
must you ride down the streets and stop anybody else,
you know, if they have a parade of them, maybe
two three, four hundred bikes and they won't. They won't.
They won't stop and let the light they they they've
got to be together, all right. They won't stop it,
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let the lights direct traffic. And but I'm trying to
get to the point, what can I say to stop
us from because the man has already shown us his
propensity to use the military against us, and you right
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here in Cleveland, you're gonna mess around and have the
National Guard or the Marine the Army of the Marine
Corps sent in here to segment the police force were
about three hundred patrolmen short.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, So I think, and I talked to a lot
of these young guys to it, and I just think
part of his authority, part of is is upbringing, part
of is iss become a part of our culture.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Unfortunately they're not going to listen. But it's not going
to become an issue until it affects another neighborhood, loses
in our neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
The only time they started, they went off and they
got the people who did that mind.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
When they blocked off.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
A section I think it was downtown or somewhere, and
that's when they went after him. Why because it is
a place where a neighborhood where you can't do that,
And so they went off the organizers. They got the
cars real fast than months. As long as it's over
at Lee Harvard East Fifth places like that, they don't
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care because it doesn't affect anybody else. It affects our people,
and they say, well, it's dear people. Yeah, will send
a few cops out there, we'll write some things up
about it, but we're not going to stop it right Unfortunately,
not for us. We have to stop it ourselves. And
part of that goes back to your thing. What do
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we say, how does that look like? Because you're talking
about kids who's doing this? Some of the kids who
have nothing but that their bite back. You're waking up
every day you see your uncle, your mom, maybe some dads,
maybe you're both parents, whoever live in the house.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
They're not working.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Right, but every day it's just there at the house.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
You wake up in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
This guy's doing this, This guy's doing this.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Guy's doing this.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Not what they're supposed to be doing, but you see this.
It becomes the norm, right, and like, so your cousins,
I'm going to my cousin's house. But you go your cousins,
it's the same thing. You see that your house, you
just with your cousin, and you go to this in
the guy's house. You're seeing the same thing over and
over over again. It becomes a what oh, this is
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how this is normal?
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, ki't Chris, I hear you, but I didn't. I
didn't realize it at the time. But I wanted some money,
and so I went and I looked in the neighborhood
to see what I could do legally right to make
me some money.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Okay, it is people. It is kids that does that.
And I won't say all kids like this, but it's
also we grew up to the thing and comes back
to this phone and we talking about today now to
this phone goes back to what's been sown on to
social media, is go back to what part of rap
music and hip hop and to the entertainer culture are
pushing fast money, fast this, get it right now. You
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need this, You need to look like this, you need this.
This is what you can do. You can do this too.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
I DJ a lot of parties and we want to
got a minute, so left, so I DJ party out
AVI and the father made the speech. Father said, we're
not celebrating graduation because that's it is suspected. We don't
celebrate expectations already. I said, whoa, and I thought, how
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many of our black kids are hearing?
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Ah? I need to use that. Thank you well, people listening,
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This is WOVU Studios. Now you are now listening to
Black Thought. Everything must change on WOVU ninety five point
nine am. This is the Rabbi along with Chris Styles,
filling in for the Black Unicorn here on this Tuesday afternoon,
July the eight, twenty twenty five. Well, as many of
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you know earlier today on our Voices today book club,
Chris was filling in and we had a lively conversation.
And in that conversation Chris said some things that provoked
some additional thought, not that I don't think all right,
for some additional thought. And one of the things we
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came up with was the attitudes of many of our
black young men today. And as I did some reflection,
I recall Adrian Carter's book Black Fragility, and in it,
in it I wanted to go back and and read
letter to excerpt from his letter too, and and and
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and Chris, I want you to hear this and and
please join me in in discussion. He says, dear black men,
you have forfeited the leadership of your black families and communities.
A lot of the reasons that led to this were
not because of the man, the white man, Okay, it
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was stupidity, immaturity, and a deep misconception of what expressing
your manhood meant. I'm not overlooking the scarcity of resources
or your right to be angry be angry. I'm pointing
to that one moment in time, that fraction of a section,
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when you knew in your heart that your next course
of action was wrong and would set off a chain
of events, but you did it anyway. I'm talking about
the micro decisions you made when no one was looking.
But it created a character in you that lacked integrity
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over the long run, Those decisions that failed you, your family,
your black family, your black community. Find one of these
moments in your life and focus on it as you think,
no one made you do it. You chose to ignore
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that voice or reason, your mother, your father, your grandmother,
your pastor or teacher who told you right from wrong.
What was the impact of that decision? How many more
decisions like that have you made? What has it cost
you and those around you? You need to right those wrongs.
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This is not about being perfect, not about not making mistakes.
Whether you refer to them as bad decisions or mistakes,
they need to be corrected. Too many Black men believe
that success is determined by their proximity to whiteness, or
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evidenced by their drive for material expressions, their objectifification, their
objectification of black women, and their need to impress their
male peers. Rap music tells the tale of those behaviors
that undermine your identity and the Black community at large. Chris, Yes,
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what do you what say? Ye? You put me on
the spot. This war.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Gotta get you always gotta expend, spend the brain.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I like what he's talking about, especially when it hits.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
What excuse me?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
When he talks about those decisions when nobody's looking. Yes,
and how many times you make the decisions when nobody's
looking becomes a habit? Yes, and you keep doing it
becomes a habit and it creeps into you sublivately or
or conscious scuse under word unconsciously or consciously. Start making
decisions out loud that people can see it right, that
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you trained yourself long ago when nobody was watching. Uh
So I agree with him, with.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Them, I teach a thing no matter what the circumstances,
the choices or decisions that you make determine your habits.
Your habits determine your character, Your character determines your consequences,
and your consequences determine your destiny, correct, all right, And
I think that's what Carter is saying here, and he
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goes on to, uh, get on the rap music and
athletes you know, and their and their impact on many
of the decisions we make. And we were talking about
that this morning.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Okay, so we go look at the bigger and I
know where he's getting it. So we gotta look at
the bigger, the bigger, the bigger picture of that, right,
the bigger picture of when we're talking about rap music,
to control who controls the rap yes, right. So when
we were talking about who controls and who controls the labels,
who control the music, controls the streaming, they controlled.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
By white men and by white people, yes, right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So they're going to gear towards the negative imagery which
A is selling and which B is destroying something. It
is an agenda out there. Because when I was coming
up within rap music, when you had the NWA, which
NBA wasn't talking about killing the black mans, talking about
the planks in the community, yes, right, yeah, But when
you did have that at the time, you also had
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to try call quest. You also had a dayla. So
you also had you know, the Junger Brothers, right, you
also have public Indemy. You had all these conscious taib quality.
And although you had all these other conscious we were
called conscious rap.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yes there were there was out there at the time.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
When they figured out that sex, violence and drugs was
could push a culture, it could push money, it could
push make revenue of course, and destroy community at the
same time. Right, the bigger the jenda of the bigger
thing is we're going to push this out here.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And so that's when you.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Talk about the commercialism of rap music, the commercialism of.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The hip hop culture.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
They start pushing that side of it, television, radio, things
like that. And now the positivity of that rap music
that we do have out there, which is tons out there.
It's not getting the press that you wanted to get.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Can you put a comma right there? Yes? Okay, we
we talk We talk about the business portion, okay. And
when we take and understand that America is not a country.
America is a business. It is based on the capitalist principle.
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And they reject socialism, all right, not because of Marxism,
all right, but because socialism is a biblical concept and
also was fostered by a black man named Frederick Lacelle.
All right, and so he he Marx is not the
father of Marx, marxist of socialism, all right, LaSelle is.
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But even before la Selle, you have to go into acts,
the book of Acts, you know. Uh uh, doctor, doctor
Matthews and Philip, we maybe can take that up next week. Uh.
But when we understand these things, and that go back
to that America is not a country. It is a
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business and its principles. It's basic doctor in the constitution
is business management and business principles. And so uh it
makes sense then to put something on the market that
would take and continue to domesticate, all right, and dominate
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the culture that you you are suppressing, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yes, yes, And then what it does is and at
all these years of now it's become the new pop
music as you I would call it hip hop became
the new is the most popular music. And that's of
course all cultures are racists, yes, right, And it became
so much that back to doctor Umar, it's it's some
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things I agree with them as much as recrue this genre.
We own zero equity in it, do we?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I thought that was some of us. No, no, jay
Z don't okay, Okay, the percentage of ownership.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I'm talking about when you want to make things move
and shape.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, all right, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Moving and shaker.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So we add we own zero percentage of that? What
have hip hop built at the end of the day.
And I agree with him, and you start sending back like, oh,
a genre who helped pay me money? Right, genre to
help me get my career in that? What genre? What
do we own?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
What does hip hop own? What have they created? What
have they built?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Build great individuals, small, small portions of things for the
grand scheme of that. We talked about a thing that
was that were made if it could go way back.
I just heard it was a gospel singer who actually
grabbed So that was one of the first, Like, oh,
they was doing it in the sixties, right, fifties actually
it was like forties or fifties in that style tone.
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What have that genre created and built that? They took
it and said, we can control black people, we can
control this amount, right, and they have and they profited
off of us a billion times over. And I'm saying this,
say that to say this, they use these type of weaponry,
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rap music, hip hop culture didn't put its negative like
we're talking about in the eighties when the crackdemic epidemic
came here. Right, do you use a lot of these
things to shift and section us off and then they wave, Hey, you.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Could live here in the suburbs. This is how you
want to live. Just how you want to live.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You want to live like that, right, So all we
see growing up is the white culture of are they're
living like that? That's how we're supposed to live. Gentify
us out into the suburbs.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I struggle with that. Okay, Okay, When I grew up
here in Cleveland. Although I'm from Making, Georgia, I grew
up here in Cleveland. Cleveland had the best educational system
in the country. It was a model for the rest
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of the country and those of us who are still
living who are educated in the black community. Wooldridge Dyke Elementary,
John Burrow, some others, Conard, Central, East Tech, Central Old
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Central High School. My parents my dad fourth grade education,
but he could read, write, and do math. M My
mom tenth grade education, but she could read right and
do math. Trying to figure out what has happened.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, so so we're back where we're at in the beginning.
So it's the same spot. Yeah, okay, well you know
we're we're we are there. I'm in the same spot.
I'm always where was the breakage at? And and I
think we had this conversation before. I loved had this
conversation because we don't talk about it enough right as
a as a culture after the Civil Rights movement, after
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this moment that we had. I said this all the time,
it was a biout biot that was taken. And I'm
not saying minetary biot. I don't know what it was,
but cultural buyout.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It was a cultural buyout something.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
There was a buyout when we start talking about the
movement ceased right after doctor Martin Luther King and Michael
max I put them up there too. We're assassinated. The
movement didn't move anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We also got we also got Rev. Jackson Jackson.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
All Sharp and they had their movement stand the Rainbow
Coalition and the Action Network. But that's all I've seen.
But it never translated to anything else after that, Like
the movement is like we just stopped. We got this
and then it just stopped. And then you go into
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the seventies and eighties, then all of a sudden got
this crack epidemic, which it was huge, huge in our community,
especially the eighties in the early nineties. They didn't they
didn't stop, they didn't start sending people to jail heavy
until the white folks started doing crack.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm hearing you. I'm hearing you, and I I'm I'm
sensing where I feel something else took place doing that
period of time.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, so you wouldn't know that's what I'm expecting.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Because I'm it's just there's a There was also in
this period of time a political shift all right. Where
I grew up as a Republican, Okay, then as I
got into my early adulthood, U because of the movement,
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we felt that we were Republicans and we had a stronghold.
We had a base in the Republican Party and the Democrats,
who were called the Dixiecrats. Okay, we couldn't get any
we couldn't get any traction, and so many of us
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young people decided that we shifted from the Republican Party.
We let our parents, grandparents stay over here, they could
hold this down. We would shift over to the Democratic Party.
All right and began to impact and influence the Democratic Party.
Now we have a base in both parties. Look what
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we could do in that shifting. Something else happened. The
ultra conservative Democrat, all right, move believe the radar moved
(16:04):
from the Democratic Party into the Republican Party and kind
of left us, okay with the Democrats while they came
and re entrenched themselves. And now I think what we're
feeling and seeing today is the early planting of that
(16:25):
conservative Democrat in the Republican Party, if I'm making sense, okay,
And now they have taken and labeled the Democrats something
that we are not and what most of us, I believe,
do not really understand. And I can give you some examples.
(16:47):
For the most part of J. A. Rodgers read his
book from Superman the Man. Please read his book from
Superman the Man, and you will get by drift of
what has happened. We are we are black people for
the most part, have been conservatives. Yeah, okay, I remember,
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I remember when the Platters were caught with Heroin, all right, uh,
and that that ended their career. They never they never
bounced back because the black community took the hands off
of them. Ray Charles was able to make a comeback, okay,
although he was found to be a drug addict, all right,
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And so, uh, the the the these the data has
been shifted or or manipulated in a way. Uh. They
have demonstrated that we were more in moral, our young
our young black women were more in moral than white
(17:56):
women because our young women were having more babies out
of wedlock. All right, our girls, our young women were
having the babies Mama was taking care of Grandmama was
taking auntie. Maybe the baby was sent down South and
raised by someone down there. Well, the white girl the
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summer in Europe was for abortion purposes, or the would
have the baby and put the baby up for adoption
in European orphanages. And so the data became skewed. It
looked like, you know, black people were more immral promiscuous,
if you will, than white folks. All right, That gave
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them a greater sense of superiority, if you will. And
these kinds of games that get played overall, the more
black men in prison than white men, Well you got
white judges. A white boy get busted for the same crime, convicted,
he gets probation, all right, or something happens whether the
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drug of the charges get dropped. Okay, insufficient evidence because
maybe the judge and dad or granddad or uncle or
brother somebody is that the same country club, or play
plays golf with the judge. Okay, these kinds of things
that go on, and so it ends up making us
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look like we are the most decadent people. Yet we
are the most moral and most conservative, more conservative people.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
More conservative people on the planet.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yes, a lot of the things we talked about, abortions,
like I said before, yeah it is and our culture
going to get it. But it's not as high as
you would think. I would think it's very low, considering
a lot of our babies or habit as fourteen fifty
six sety eight are having kids.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I I agree with you, But again it's skewed, all right,
and it's skewed for even even more programmatic reasons. White
agencies now get the money, all right to service people.
I'm I was looking at some data.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Is a lot of this stuff is potentially done. Like
I know, when people say there's an agenda, right, and
when people say, well, it's an agenda for this, this
agenda to emasculate the black man, it's an agenda. I
was like, is there an agenda.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Emescualate the black man?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Or is an agenda messinlate all men with their agenda
domsinate all man. You know what, when you talk about
some of these issues, it's always, well, it's it's an
agenda for them to do something with, says So I'm axing.
If it's an agenda, it had to be a whole
glomorate of people is all on the same page and
(20:59):
back doors saying this, So who's pulling the strings?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
There? There is a book.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Because because I'm only talking about I'm sorry that because
I'm talking about when we talk about this, we weren't talking
about this about the United States. It's a whole world
out there.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Well, there's a book called Neo Tech, which is the
blueprint for creating world anarchy. Okay, all right, the first
part of the book I'm gonna try. I got it
into my library somewhere. I had pulled it out and
I don't know where I put it. Okay, Okay. The
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first part of the agenda is to discredit the religious movement,
the church and clergy all right, to newter their influence
vis a vis the attack on Jake's Noel Jones, you know,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Therein to answer your question,
(22:01):
do you're both awkward? It's it's too to to emasculate
the black male in uh, to masculate the male in
gen in general, and to masculate the black male in particular,
because that's the foundation of the family, that's where the
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real leadership comes from. And I, you know, and I
don't want to get caught up in the Women's Now
movement dynamics. I have no use for it whatsoever. And
I've made that very clear uh to them, And because
I think a couple of years ago, I have to
(22:43):
tell them, you know, you want us to come out
and walk and walk and support you, but where you
when we have an issue, you know where to be found. Uh.
But that that for me, For me now, that is
a message from the white woman to the white man
that because of his inhumaneness, all right, she has no
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longer any use for it for him. But it also
gave her the opportunity and tool to begin to emasculate
the black man. Because it is my belief that because
of what we have gone through these last four hundred
and sixty years, This is not the first time I
said this on this show. That we have endured everything
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they've thrown at us. They've thrown at us, the cultural
atomic bombs, so to speak, all right, and we survived it.
And because of that, the black male will be the
salvation of this country, all right. And because and because
of the contributions that we have made in the past,
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they fear us. This is why we're hated. You hate
what you fear, all right. And so so is it
directed at us in particular? Yes? And is it directed
at us as men? You're just as men, period. Yes,
because that that that that eve, that eve gene wants
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to dominate.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
So who's pulling these strings when we're talking about because
when when you look online, when you hear people talking
in your circles, Remember I tell people social media is
whatever you have in your circle. Right when we talk
about online, social media is whatever your algorithm says. And
who do you allow in your in your cyber cyber sphere.
(24:39):
So well, whoever you allowed it is that your cyber circle.
It's not gonna go outside of that. But as I
tell people that have these conversations, and I said, okay,
we're looking at it of the United States point of view.
I want to look at things that a world of view.
A lot of things they say, it's going on in
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the United States, this is what.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
They're trying to do. This is what they do.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But you go to other countries, it's like they're not
even seen it the way we're seeing it. You know,
when I went to India, they look at the United
States like, man, your presidence is kind of shaky right now.
The way they look at the white counterparts. It's different
(25:23):
for the way they look at me and you. Matter
of fact, they didn't even know we were from the
United States. I actually thought we were from South Africa. Okay,
to us that no, we're Americans. It's like, oh, I
didn't know. But then they never seen black Americans. Okay,
that's it's a difference. He never seen a black American.
(25:47):
And then as as me and my wife started telling
about our plights, and they're like, no, it's not all
roses for us inside of this country.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
We got to navigate through a lot to get where
we had to be able to travel. And they asked
the question, but.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Why these more you guys travel mm hmm. That's a
whole nother right, and then start to see. That's what
I'm saying, just look at this the worldview. Why does
when we talk about the United States or these issues,
it's only tailored to the United States. And when I
thinking outside of the box of okay, it's a whole
world that's moving around too. And I think some people
(26:26):
look at our issues here like the whole world is
going through it, like the whole what they talking about
is the agenda? Is the agenda just for the United States?
Or the agenda for China? Is the agenda for Korea?
Is the agenda for you know, different eyelids? That's That's
what I'm saying, Like, who could pull it those strings?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I think? I think why then you know, just to
take it from a come from a different angle. There
is a natural law, okay, and this is a a
for every action is an opposite but equal reaction. So
natural you have natural law. So there's a natural pull
or pushed back against natural law. Uh and natural law
(27:11):
is that that that law that says that all human
beings have I was just quoting J. A. Rodgers where
he says that uh abdul Baha says the earth is
(27:32):
but one country, and mankind is a citizens. Okay. So
when when you look at it that way, okay, or
when you take in take all the blood of all
the human beings and put them in one pot, it's
all the same, right okay, But yet in it you
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will have different characteristics based on but what what ethnicity
it came from. But yet all the blood is the same.
And so we, uh, we have to take and I
want to get someone who really can speak to this
better than I can. Kyle Early's sister. I'm gonna call
(28:20):
her and see if I can get her to come
over here good and come on the show of Doctor
Sierra Morgan. She's over an Akron. Oh, she's an expert
on this and our worldview of diurnal logic, okay, uh,
the afro centric worldview. In fact, she's the one who's
really got me kickstarted.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I just think of things like that Rabbi of you
know when you start looking at it, and I'm like, yo,
because me and my wife we travel everywhere. We're just
traveling people the different countries, and you know they don't
see a lot of us, but sit back and look
their play or their people talk about agendas. Does it
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affect these people here or are they even thinking about
an agenda. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I hear you, I hear you. But but fortunately you
have you and your wife have the kind of disposable
income that allows it, or you have disciplined yourself both okay, okay, okay,
all right too, Uh where the masses of black people
(29:38):
are just so I have to concentrate this on the
the day to day kinds of thing of making a
living that don't have the disposable income, or they choose
to use the disposable income. I had to put put
put my family in check. All right. We were spending
(30:00):
for Thanksgiving dinner five five, five to six hundred dollars
for dinner for the family. You know who's in all
this food? Hold up and and and they would come in.
Me and my wife would get up, you know, five
or six o'clock in the morning and cooking, you know,
and everything. They would come in, Uh dinners at four o'clock,
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six o'clock, they were gone. You know, they need to
come to spend it.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
That would find me, so that would bind me.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This yesterday there before yesterday, Uh went to the pool,
came back my in law, my mother in law, and
my my sister in law came back to her house.
They went to buy some food. So my wife, who
she get cooked, but she does like to cook all
the time because our kids are older, they're something college.
(30:49):
So we moved around a little bit different. We don't
cook for each other.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We get there when we get there.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So it ended up my wife started cooking his food,
all this food she could get. My mother in law
bought it with my sister in law, and it goes
back to what you said.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
My wife was done cooking that. My mother in law
was like, now, my wife said.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Hey, who's put cooking these biscuits?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You gotta put the biscuit in.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And my mother in law was like, no, We're just
gonna pack all the food up and make the biscuit
in my house.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Like no, no, no, no, oh no you're not.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I ain't gonna cook all this food that you were leaving.
You're gonna stay here and eat as a family. It
goes back to what you said you did all this
six am, the four yeah and six they're leaving, and
it goes back to again no money and everything.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
We go back to the beginning.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Uh, we got the worldly view of things and back
to our plights and everything when I'm looking like this
is why the internet is so dangerous, This is why
AI is so dangerous, putting out these images and this
false narrative of some things. Of now all are black folks,
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sticks and an agenda and agenda there is it is one.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
What do we do about it?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Instead of saying there's an agenda?
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Okay, what you're going to do about it?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
How do we navigate it? Or how do we counter it? Yes? Right, yes?
So what do we do that?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, that's the question, instead of talking about it, Okay,
what's next?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, I think in our domestication, and I'm not making excuses,
I'm not making excuses for us, But in our domestication,
we go back to a couple of terms I like using.
We're either skillfully irresponsible or willfully irresponsible. Skillfully irresponsible means
we don't have the tools to be responsible. No one
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has taught us, knowing has showed us how to be responsible.
Willfully responsible means we choose to be irresponsible because it
means we have to give up being the victim, and
sometimes we enjoy more being the victim and not producing.
I can't do it because the white man, because of
the system. Okay, all right, I like that, okay. And
(33:16):
so when when you take and put those factors into play,
all right, it allows us to not be productive. I
can't be productive because I don't know how well. I
can't be productive, but I choose not to because it
(33:36):
means that I got to get off of my butt now,
all right and do something and not be the victim.
You know. We we we we are the consumers. Angela Davis,
back doing the movement, was labeled a communists. I don't
know whether she was or not, but she said that
(33:56):
that the the black community has been designated to be
the the consumer class of this country.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
What's she wrong?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
No? Okay? And so but history dictates that any group, race,
or culture, or nationality of people, nation of people who
were not productive was soon annihilated, all right, And so
we must begin to become productive, all right, regardless of
(34:30):
how they react to it. Famous Amos made the cookie,
but then he sold out to Nobisco. Nobisco sold out
to whoever they sold out to. The old Nobisco factory
is right there at eighty where eighty ninth. Buckeye and
(34:52):
Woodland kind of merged right there, all right. That brig
Rid that's a junk yard there, But that building used
to be the Nobisco plant. Okay we we uh we
had seay Postropedic Mattress was a Cleveland Country company made
(35:12):
at sixty between sixty thirty and sixty six in Woodland, Okay,
white On, Hugo Boss and Joseph and feiss Over on
the west side. Most of the employees there were African Americans.
The cutters, the the the the people who operated as
(35:37):
the surgers, the machines that sowd sold the garments together
were African Americans. Yet when you know when these places
went belly up and decided to move on Fisher Body
one hundred and forty from Coit, you know, why were
we not able to take our pennies on nickels and
(35:58):
dimes and come together and take those places over and
and and continue the back We were running the machines
already We had to know how part of it was
because they kept us at an economic level where we
couldn't well. We were so busy trying to get some
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porking beans and wieners so the family could eat that
we had no excess. But yet over the years, I
know that in nineteen seventy three when I went off
to college. We had the economic we had economic crash
(36:38):
back then, Okay, and there was only one industry in
this country that was considered profitable, the church. And that's
the only thing in mass that we owned. We own
(36:59):
our We said, what do we own? We own our churches.
I remember at New Bethlehem Man, I grew up in
New Bethlehem in sixty fifth in Woodland, Reverend CJ. Thompson.
Almost every Sunday you could go downstairs, man and get
a chicken dinner for a dollar dollar and a half.
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And the church made money. You had on Saturdays all
right in the summertime you come up to the church
and get a barbecue dinner two bucks. So we were
able to take through the church and develop successful enterprises
(37:40):
to finance the church. Why can't we do the same
kinds of things to finance businesses factories for ourselves? If
that makes sense. Now we have a historical history that says,
well we are successful. They're coming, and they're coming in
a violent kind of way. Past forty six black community
(38:02):
that have been communities that have been decimated because we
were successful. Rosewood, Greenwood, Elaine in Arkansas, Atlanta Central Park
was flooded. All right, Now you know that.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
They bombed yes, yes, yes, they bombed down one if
you can look down on up Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
And so there's that we know of that forty six
recorded that we know of black communities that were decimated
because we were successful. So as we move forward in
these things and we move out of the mindset of
domestication and dominant being dominated, we know that that violent
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nature is going to rise up against us. Why don't
we put something in place to make sure that we
can defend ourselves if necessary.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So let's think about this. Let's look at this. If
they know.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
One I think it is white guilt, and one one
is white guilt, and one is white greed, right greed,
and another one is is just afraid of us, And
they're afraid of us because I really believe I think
Dave Chappelle said this, or comedians are smart, I'm gonna
let you all know that now. Comedians are very very smart.
(39:25):
I think they are scared that we're gonna do the
same thing that happened to us, that we're going to
enslave them.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
And I don't think well.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
The Caribbean, the Caribbean uprising Haiti Dominican Republic. Okay, the
hate the Caribbean Uprising. They annihilated white folks in the Caribbean,
and so they think that we will do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I think that's on their minds, not knowing.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I don't think we would do that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I don't think a commatic law won't allow us, at
least me.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
As just a we're just we ain't gonna do that.
It's just too much to comfortably, right. But if they're
smart enough, and I'm talking about whoever those people are,
they I don't know who they are, because it's a
big system, right. If they allow us to have economic
(40:20):
access or just be even do you know how much.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Parody parody that this country would thrive and be number
one in the world world because you allow us to
do what we need to do to put more money.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Into the system. We don't trust the system. We are
natural consumers now. But if you allow us to be
as productive and do it, give us parody, give us
equal you can have the world dominance the way you
want to have the world dominance. Tariffs father said, you
get a half that you get the kind of me
(40:55):
can flourish if you allow it just our sector people
to flourish in this world. And I think they coughing
those spies of face.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I think, I think I agree with you, and I
agree with your reasoning, and I agree with your conclusion.
But if I if I was to add a carry
out caveat to uh, what you're saying is that they
have to take and admit that they've been liars for centuries.
(41:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, and that's something that's very difficult for
them to do, to say, hey, we've lied. These are
these black people viable and productive, we've stolen uh from
them to to to make ourselves look like we are
the purveyors of civilization, et cetera. And uh, and they can't.
(41:53):
The reptilian, the reptilian hemisphere of their brain won't allow
them to say that that reptilian side of the brain
is a cold blooded and it has it has no
warmth to it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
And then it goes back to our point in the beginning,
and when we're talking about a book club. Now, okay,
now we just got to build our own. But then
you go back to, well, they won't allow us to
build our own. I guess this is an evolving circle
of that we just can't get out.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I think we can build our own, but we have
to be mindful that it has to be protected. Yes, Okay,
that's okay, there, it is right. We can do it,
but it has to be protected, all right. And they
have because they have used their their development of legal
(42:43):
law to usurp divine and natural law right, okay, uh?
And so because and as we look at the political
climate of this country right now, we see them positioning
themselves to keep control of legal law right to take
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and continue to usurp divine and natural law.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
But if they would step back and leave it alone,
as you're saying, it would develop to something that would
benefit everybody, even themselves, and truly make us one of
the most powerful, if not the most powerful nation and
(43:33):
ever in history. It would this would surely not make
America great again, but it would make America great.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
And I believe that. I don't know if they see
it again. I don't know if they're seeing it that way. No,
they're not, and they should.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
They don't because they're so selfish and selfishness. Listen, selfishness
causes you to be shortsighted. HM.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
But what have you.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It goes back to the beginning. What you said doing
a book club. You have everything already, like you you
have everything?
Speaker 3 (44:12):
How what are you talking about? The Roman Empire? How
did it? How did it self destruct?
Speaker 1 (44:18):
And raising your children? Did you ever have your two
kids on the floor with their toys, all right? And
one kid got and it looks over and the other
kid got and that one kid wants everything all right
and doesn't want to can't play with what has got
already got more than they can play with, but it
(44:39):
wants what the other kid has, all right, because I
don't have what that other kid has. It's it's just selfishness,
the selfish greed. Those are human negative attributes that that
is that it's not just white folks. But it's played
out because they have used violence and intimidation. And now
(45:06):
you know, I heard something the other day, Uh, and
they did. How the United States does not want other
countries that have nuclear weapons? But what was the what's
the only country in the history of mankind that has
used the nuclear weapon against another country? Us the United States?
Speaker 2 (45:27):
And it used it against the country We didn't really
need to use it on and and at the end
of the day, that country end up on and everything.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
And I think they think that's the same thing that's
gonna happen to us. And therein lies again we go
back to that nut again. The meat of the nut,
all right, is that they're afraid that everybody's gonna do
to them what they've done to everybody.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well we we we knew Japan m hm, Yes, the bombs,
two of them, I think, Nagasaki and Hirozema, and hundreds
of years later, howeven years ago, I know I'm exaggerating,
but now they as a lot of the technology.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yes, yes, yeah, made in Japan. They made in China's
made in Japan.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Right, Yeah, they figured out another way to get to us.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Well, I think I think it's part of Chris. I
think it goes back to they have embraced the civilization
that we created in a different kind of way, all right,
and used it in creative kinds of ways rather than
(46:44):
trying to dominate some other people. They tried it and
it failed because they're they're, they're they're Their attack on
Pearl Harbor was a move to to along with Germany,
was to take over the world world dominance. I think
they saw how foolish it was right after. Unfortunately, the
(47:09):
way uh they came to that conclusion was unfortunate. But
yet they have decided to use the technology, uh, the
base the basis of civilization in a creative, uh and
constructive kind of way where this guy still wants to
(47:30):
try to intimidate, intimidate, And my thing, I think as
we move towards the end of the show, I want
to even even more give out the I'm I'm I'm struggling.
I'm struggling, Chris, what you know with What can I
(47:52):
say to our young people that will allow them to
really hear me? I'm looking at what goes on every
weekend at Cedar, I mean not at Cedar, but at
Lee and.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Harvard harv Is other spots too.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
But I'm just talking about how they can and they
they're doing the donuts and and and then the shooting
there a couple of weeks ago out out of that.
Don't you see that what you're doing? Don't I don't
have no problems with your owning dirt bikes and motorcycles
and try bikes and whatnot. You have no problems with that? Well,
(48:31):
why must you come together as a mob almost Why
must you ride down the streets and stop anybody else,
you know, if they have a parade of them, maybe
two three, four hundred bikes and they won't. They won't.
They won't stop and let the light they they they've
got to be together, all right. They won't stop it,
(48:53):
let the lights direct traffic. And but I'm trying to
get to the point, what can I say to stop
us from because the man has already shown us his
propensity to use the military against us, and you right
(49:14):
here in Cleveland, you're gonna mess around and have the
National Guard or the Marine the Army of the Marine
Corps sent in here to segment the police force were
about three hundred patrolmen short.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, So I think, and I talked to a lot
of these young guys to it, and I just think
part of his authority, part of is is upbringing, part
of is iss become a part of our culture.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Unfortunately they're not going to listen. But it's not going
to become an issue until it affects another neighborhood, loses
in our neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
The only time they started, they went off and they
got the people who did that mind.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
When they blocked off.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
A section I think it was downtown or somewhere, and
that's when they went after him. Why because it is
a place where a neighborhood where you can't do that,
And so they went off the organizers. They got the
cars real fast than months. As long as it's over
at Lee Harvard East Fifth places like that, they don't
(50:27):
care because it doesn't affect anybody else. It affects our people,
and they say, well, it's dear people. Yeah, will send
a few cops out there, we'll write some things up
about it, but we're not going to stop it right Unfortunately,
not for us. We have to stop it ourselves. And
part of that goes back to your thing. What do
(50:48):
we say, how does that look like? Because you're talking
about kids who's doing this? Some of the kids who
have nothing but that their bite back. You're waking up
every day you see your uncle, your mom, maybe some dads,
maybe you're both parents, whoever live in the house.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
They're not working.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Right, but every day it's just there at the house.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
You wake up in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
This guy's doing this, This guy's doing this.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Guy's doing this.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Not what they're supposed to be doing, but you see this.
It becomes the norm, right, and like, so your cousins,
I'm going to my cousin's house. But you go your cousins,
it's the same thing. You see that your house, you
just with your cousin, and you go to this in
the guy's house. You're seeing the same thing over and
over over again. It becomes a what oh, this is
(51:41):
how this is normal?
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, ki't Chris, I hear you, but I didn't. I
didn't realize it at the time. But I wanted some money,
and so I went and I looked in the neighborhood
to see what I could do legally right to make
me some money.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Okay, it is people. It is kids that does that.
And I won't say all kids like this, but it's
also we grew up to the thing and comes back
to this phone and we talking about today now to
this phone goes back to what's been sown on to
social media, is go back to what part of rap
music and hip hop and to the entertainer culture are
pushing fast money, fast this, get it right now. You
(52:25):
need this, You need to look like this, you need this.
This is what you can do. You can do this too.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
I DJ a lot of parties and we want to
got a minute, so left, so I DJ party out
AVI and the father made the speech. Father said, we're
not celebrating graduation because that's it is suspected. We don't
celebrate expectations already. I said, whoa, and I thought, how
(52:58):
many of our black kids are hearing?
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Ah? I need to use that. Thank you well, people listening,
you've been listening to chrystals and the Rabbi on Black
thought everything must changed. Here on w Ovu ninety five
point nine FM, I will drink from my part of
the river and no one shall keep me from it.
So until next time, shalom habah. This is Wovu Studios
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