April 26, 2025 • 52 mins
In this episode of Black Thought: The Spark, Pastor Gohlstin and DJ Black Unicorn explore the deep wounds left by the forced exile of Black Americans from their original land, culture, and identity. They unpack how, through the brutal process of slavery, there was an intentional effort to animalize those who were kidnapped — stripping them of their humanity to justify their oppression.
This conversation exposes the psychological warfare used to disconnect a people from their roots, and how that disconnection still echoes today. Pastor Gohlstin and DJ Black Unicorn offer powerful insight into how understanding this process is key to reversing it — reclaiming our true selves, restoring our cultural memory, and walking back toward wholeness. Healing begins when we recognize what was stolen — and what still lives within us, waiting to be awakened.
This conversation exposes the psychological warfare used to disconnect a people from their roots, and how that disconnection still echoes today. Pastor Gohlstin and DJ Black Unicorn offer powerful insight into how understanding this process is key to reversing it — reclaiming our true selves, restoring our cultural memory, and walking back toward wholeness. Healing begins when we recognize what was stolen — and what still lives within us, waiting to be awakened.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
All good afternoon, people. You now listening to Black Thought.
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This is your host, the Rabbi along with the Black Unicorn, UH,
bringing you some deep conversation we hope you need. How
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in the world are you? I know you got a
mouthful of pizza over there, but all right, you know,
how quick with it?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm good, I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I complain.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm excited to continue the conversation here on black Thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, what's the thoughts? That's all right, Yeah, that's that's
it's It's okay. Long, Let's don't call us each for dinner,
you know. Let's you know you need we we uh,
we've been talking about the Name's book. I know thyself.
One of the things I want to call to our
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attention is the fact that we have been exiled from
our land, from our culture, and from our identity, and
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the way one of the ways that we must come
back to ourselves, if you will, UH, is to understand
that there has been a process of animalization of the
people that were kidnapped uh and exiled into this country.
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We were kidnapped, brutalized, raped, murdered, forced into servitude. We
call it slavery, and indoctrinated into a system that was
hostile and even foreign to our way. And so when
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we begin to understand these kinds of things and moral
Alvin Morrow in his book Breaking the Curse of Willie Lynch,
page twenty four, wise people throughout the ages have taught
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us to know ourselves. But in the life of the overwhelmed,
in the life of the overwhelming majority of Dego slaves
confined to the American plantation, that was never provided the opportunity,
under say conditions that would enable the negro to ever
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publicly regain his humanity. In most cases, the stronger or
more educated negro was killed outright in front of the
rest of the slaves as an example as to what
happens to a quote unquote nigger boy slave when he
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decides to become a human. The examples was then and
is presently used as a system of checks and balances
in order to mentally produce fear in the negro, thus
hindering an entire race of people from achieving true liberation.
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And this is some of the things that we need
to understand, and we're not getting to them. We're not
getting to the bone. Okay, all right, we're not getting
to the bone. Making man exists in the state of
an animal is a twofold process. First, there is the
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destruction of the decent morals. Okay, we've been raised, we've
been we were we were we were bred like kind
of animals being bred, you know, for offsprings or our
offspring was sold. And so I think there is a
underlying cultural trait there that we feel that we can
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do anything with anybody at any time, and it's all right,
all right, but that that attitude, that mindset breaks our
moral code that we came here with and that most
people in the world had, except de Opressor.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Because that was definitely the objective.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
What happens to a young lady when something of that
nature occurs in her life at a young age, Most
of the time, she does not care about the sanctity
of her body. Afterwards, this time, she feels like her
innocence has already been robbed of her, so she goes
around giving her goods to whoever wants.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That she no longer values.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Exactly because she does not see the value within herself,
because she feels as though it has been stripped of her,
not realizing that was the mental manipulation of the experience
that she had that she walked away with that trauma.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I would change the word from manipulation to indoctrination. There's
a difference. The manipulation is kind of you know. Using
indoctrination is changing the mindset and changing the intellect, all right,
even changing the spiritual.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, it's a complete reprogram.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, okay, So let me finish here. First, there is
the destruction of decent morals, which include the perversion of
people's traditional native religious practices and governing social norms. These laws, rules,
regulations serve as a guideline or people internal fortress to
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protect that society and citizens from foreign disruption and disorder
as during the years of physical bondage. The bulk of
Black community today is suffering internally because of the debasement
of our human foundation. That foundation consisted of a high
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level of moral ethical conduct, supported by belief in laws
and of nature. Okay, and we that we our system
of natural law, all right, rather than civil law. Okay.
And they use civil law to maybe to undo our
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belief and practices of natural law, again making them the
only group of people on the face of the earth
that lives in conflict with nature. Okay, all right, so
then that that's then. Secondly, the dehumanization of the African
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happened during the entire process of kidnapping, sale, and forced enslavement.
This included the housing of masses of slaves in hayfield
barns with the beasts of the field, a process that
included the installation of gold or silver caps on the
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front teeth of black for the purpose of identification. And
in most cases this was the treatment given to horses,
I mean, and most I'm sorry, given to the house negroes,
but most were wore the master's mark, burned by the
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branding iron with burning coals. This is one of the
early stages of dehumanization suffered by the Negro slave, and
like then today, many of us were the symbols of
the legacy of our oppressors on our black bodies.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Man, I literally was just thinking about getting the grill.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I don't know that, and like I feel disturbed because
my friend she literally just got a tool piece on
the side and I said.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I want that. That looks so cool, that looks.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
So it's amazing. It is amazing. Black people are so amazing.
How many things just like that that we have been
given by our pressors, that we have turned into fashion
statements and cultural staples like it?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Really, well, we're in the past. Pants sagging, Oh lord.
All right. They tried to blame it on prison, but
it goes back to the eighth, seventeenth and eighteenth century
where six or sixteenth or seventeenth, eight seventeen, eighteen, nineteen
twentieth century, whereas when you were a rebellious slave, a
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male especially, you were brought before the community slave community
and raped annually, all right, and then you had to
wear your parts below your waist to demonstrate that you
have been had. You know, there are so many things
we don't understand, our young people killing one another, you know,
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self hatred that's really been been in doc donated into us. Yeah,
there might be some other lying calls, as you're angry
at daddy because he you know, he wasn't there and whatnot. So,
but there's something feeding that that's more sinister than what's
happening on the surface. That's more of the symptoms, all right,
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than an actual disease, all right, And we need to
understand y'all. Excuse me. You hear me smacking. I'm having
some dental work done and uh and so I'm having
trouble with with with my speech. Oh uh and the
smacking sound, you know, it's it's it's a little difficult,
difficult to control. Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So I didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I hear. I hear it. I hear it. Okay, Okay,
I'm like, you know, okay, And it's not that Okay,
it's that I'm having some dinner work. No, no, darling,
I'm still here, okay. But anyhow, this this, this is
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the important art that we really fail to understand. And
my flesh calls when I hear people say they haven't
they have no use for the church anymore, or all right,
or religion okay. The second phase of the dehumanization and
animalization of us deals with the spiritual perversion of people
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based on training the Black Africans under the Western psychological,
domesticated system of indoctrination. This starts the very moment when
the people are stripped of their personal duties and responsibilities
are doing for themselves. And again this comes back to
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being willfully irresponsible or skillfully irresponsible. You're taught to be
skillfully irresponsible because you have not been taught, all right,
you don't know how. Then, real willful responsibility is if
you choose to be irresponsible, because it means you have
to be give up being a victim.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
People are choosing so drastically these days, it's quite scary.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Continue.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay again, We'll go back and repeat. This starts the
very moment when people are stripped of them personal duties
and responsibilities, are doing for themselves under a system organized
and constructed by their own peers. All right. The Wooly
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Lynch method explain this as the creation of a state
of dependency in modern terms, a welfare state, and any
black male or female that does anything other than the
norm could easily be classified as the enemy of the state.
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We as black people, should be aware that the moment
we begin to depend on someone else to do for
us what with unity we can do for ourselves, we
have given them the power over our lives. This automatically
gives the old slave master and its offspring upper hand.
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As a nation. Blacks continue to suffer economically during the
era of the Freedman's Freedman's Bureau. In our ignorance to
do something for ourselves, we were forced to turn right
back around and offer black labor to the former slave
masters in the form of sharecropping. And so this is
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this is something that we need to take a very
deep look at, okay, and understand how we are have
become comfortable or depends on that of the system and
because therefore become comfortable in their oppressive atmosphere that they
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have created for us. With that, folks, listen, we're going
to become right back. You have been listening to Black Thought.
Everything must changed to inform, to inspire, and to impact.
On WOVU ninety five point nine FM, we will be
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Everything must change to inform, to inspire, and to impact
with the Rappi and the black unicorn. And we have
been talking about the animalization of our human beings doing
the peculiar institution of slavery. And I've been reading excerpts
from Breaking the Curse of Wooly Lynch by Alvin Morrow.
That's R. R. Old w Breaking the Curse of the
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Wooly Lynch of the Science of slave psych hology and
how to break that the curse. And now I want
to shift gears now and we go back to our
last discussion week before last when we were in with
Naim Akbah talking about know thy self and the self
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in his concept is divided into five parts or the
five selves, okay. And there is the tribal, which is ancestral.
There's the social, which is relational. There's the personal, which
is the mind, there's the physical which is the body,
and then there's the soul, which is the spiritual. All right,
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And so when we go there, the African American educational
system rooted in self knowledge must not should, but must
begin with the African definition in order to be successful
in achieving its goal. The African self is a multiple
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dimension dimensional occurrence that is represented within uh the individual person,
but also transcends the individual in its present, but also
transcends time. If one could chart a two dimensionals concept
of the African view of self, it must look at
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what we just read, which was in Fig. One, which
is the five selves. Okay. Now with that, I want
to digress from that, okay, and I want to go
to we need to understand who and what we are
in our African origin. Okay, we are people of African origin,
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of that African origin. Listen to me carefully, my people.
We are the chosen people. Hello. We are either the
Falasha Jew or Hebrew, okay, or the half low h
A p l O filasha f l f A l
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A s h A all right. Now you have that
as Khanazi. The as Khanazi is the European Jew who
converted to Judaism and now in nineteen forty eight moved
to occupy Israel. Now, and you had a cohabitation, and
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there's another group, the Uh Separdy, the Separdy s E
p h A r d I now h E r
d I okay. And you had a cohabitation between either
the and the Askanazi, the Uh, the Haplo and the
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Asconazi and the Haplo and Asconazi. And you got with
that the mezrah m I z r A h all right, okay.
And so this is how you come up with the
Askanazi that may look like you and I all right, however,
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I'm not anti Semitic. I am prog you because we
are the Chosen people, all right, I'm not anti Semitic.
At all. But I am for the real Hebrew of
the Bible. All right, just hold on, just hold on.
As Khanazi are a group of European Jews who could
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not decide between Islam and Christianity and chose to go
in between and become Asknazi Jews. The euro it's called
the euro Jew has no Abrahamic DNA or the other
falasha all right, uh separd separated, separate d falasha HAPLO
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have Abrahamic DNA.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He meant abraham DNA.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
They are of the lineage of Abraham. Oh, okay, okay.
Abraham had uh two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, and they're
either one or the other. So you have Abrahamic DNA
when you convert, that means you chose to be a Jew.
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Does not give you the bloodline, the genetics, the d
and a Hello. Now again, this is another way that
Europeans have denied, stolen, twisted, exiled us from our identity,
our land, our culture, and our identity. Oh so I'm
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hoping we're understanding this all right?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Oh, we certainly are waiting for you to circle back around.
Okay to what are we gonna get there? I know
you're coming around.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Let's look at the dimensions or layers of self from
the African perspective and consider what the educational experience must
be like. First of all, we must understand that the
last piece that we gave of self, the soul, all right,
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is the core of self. In the earlier publication and
titled Light Around the Ancient Africa, Nwahim discussed the ancient
African conception of self as having the soul or the
bar at its course, the ba Okay. The ancients of
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the Nile Valley civilization considered the bar to be the
essence of self. It represented a combination of spirit and intellect. Intelligence.
It is believed to be the energy that comes directly
from the Creator and remains the human beings link with
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the Creator. The bar is the breath of life, which
is an allegory for the universality of life that runs
through all human beings. All right, And we look in
the Bible, and he took and he breathed, okay into us. Now,
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that is the soul, the essence of life, all right.
And for me, as soon as conception is made, as
soon as the sperm penetrates over it, all right, that
is life. The breath of life is in it. In fact,
it cannot grow and developed into anything. All right, Separate
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it does nothing, but together it is now. Have it
now has a breath of life breathed into it?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yes, I agree, all.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Right, And is a reflection of the creator.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Talk about it, the.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Creator of the seat. Let's see, before there was nothing
that was something, but before that was something that was nothing.
M okay, and that's God, all right, all right? Before that,
before matter, hi, matter of time and space, all right,
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that was nothing. But before that that was nothing that
was something. But before that was something that was nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
See that's that old age question.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I feel like that which comes from.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
First. You know.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You hear all these cultural stories right in different cultures
that have their origin stories, right, and some of them
are a little far out, like Buddhism. You know, Buddha
popped out the side of that woman. But it all
happens to have some type of miracle attached to their
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origin story in one shape or another. The details may change,
may get a little murky, but.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
They pretty much say the same. Be a good person.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I hear you, I hear you. And everyone has their
their their their well not everyone, but many religions have
their concept of the beginning. But we I think we
all agreed before that was something that was nothing, before
that was nothing that was something.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
See, we can't agree.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
But I think that phrase in itself still confuses a
lot of people because they can't understand how something came
from nothing or how nothing is something.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Then talk to that person in a listening audience right
now who does not understand that phrase. Who who that
that is a complex thought for them?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, one of the one of the things I think
happens in our belief systems, okay, is that we cannot
conceive that there. There are several schools of thought that
I listened to but do not ascribe to. One is
the school that says there are several universes. That's contradictory
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because universe says that that universe is all that there is.
There cannot be several all that there is, okay, So
it all is one. So nothing can be outside of
the universal set, all right? So whatever, although there was nothing,
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that nothing had to be inside of something because it
cannot go outside of itself. If I'm hoping this.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Is do you feel like people get con fused in
that sense of when they think about universes, and lateral
planes and.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Lateral planes and dimensions are all in the universal.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Set exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So with that being said, and people hear these words
compound on each other not realizing that this is all
in one universal setting.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Okay, the universal set. Here's a hypothetical that we can
the universal set of buildings. Is this building? Okay? You
have the library, you have w O v U, you
have comp Corporeea okay, yes, Copia, and then you have
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BBC all right, and.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You get the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
That's going all of that space there. Yes, all right.
So that's the universe versal set of this building, all right, Now,
that it is, and there can be no other outside
of this universal set. So this building represents all that
there is in building and in this particular instance, all right,
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So it is what it is. Nothing can be outside
of it, all right, It is what it is.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
But there's so many other intricate parts happening well to
each other in the same universal building.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yes, yes, absolutely, I'm sorry finish thought.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yes, well, you have the library that does its thing,
all right, you have you have this this radio show
that does this thing that also incorporates some of what
the library does. Then if the restaurant is open, all right,
you have some things going on in the restaurant that
incorporates what happens in the year, and in the library
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all right. Then you have the meeting room all right,
that incorporates what goes on, the radio station okay, the
library okay, and the restaurant all right, and then you
have BBC all right, the kind of governs and man,
it just manipulates, if you will, all of that goes
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on in this universal set.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And I'm glad we somehow got on this, but it
makes me think of those occurrences when people say, oh,
I saw my dad Auntie at the foot of my
bed last night, things of that nature, not realizing that
their playing is still parallel with ours because we're all
under one universe. But that's why I wanted you to
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explain it, because it's still for some people, it's still
is confusing.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So thank you for that explanation.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, then then if you go if you go into
Restma Menacum's book My Grandmother's Hands, all right, Risma says
that when you are in a good state of uh spirituality,
if you will, okay, that the ancestors will come to
you and you can visibly see them. We must remember
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now the ancestors can die. My mom, My mom is
dust in the grave, but the spirit herself has been released,
all right, and back into the hole, if you will.
All right, So it is a possibility. All right, we
know that we can, We know there are there's a
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biblical count I have to go back and and read
it again, but there's a biblic account of a prophet
being in warfare and his understudy, if you will, was
fearful because they were so outnumbered by the enemy, and
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he was questioning the questioning his mentor you're not worried?
Why aren't you worried? And so then he prayed that
the creator would remove the veil and allow him to
see the army they had available to the HM that
was greater than the enemy. Okay, And so that tells
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us there that there is. And if I'm not mistaken,
Paul was taken on a tour of the three dimensions,
the three heavens or dimensions. Enoch was taken on a
tour of the ten heavens or dimensions. Hello, all right,
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So that lets us know that there are other rooms
in this we're we're in this second dimension. I think
this is all right, We're in this dimension, but there's
a dimension. One dimension, there's three. This is two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
all right, And so when we begin to understand everybody's
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not ready for this, and I teach it when I can, okay,
But the people who push back against it, I don't
try to shove it down their throat if I'm making sense,
because only when the students ready does the teacher appear.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I'm glad that you said that, because, like for me example,
I was one of the first you know, I was
a ninety kid, so I had Internet available, so I
was the little weirdo googling, well not googling.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I was asking Jeeves things like this.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I was asking Jeeves questions that I now talk to
you about. But I got to the point where I
was overloaded mentally and spiritually and I had to just stop.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
The reason and mind you, I was like twelve. One
of the reasons. One of the reasons was because you
were taking to the end, but you had no outlet.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I did it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I had no one to talk to about these things
in my life at that time, so it was like
I didn't know who to bounce all of this new
information off of.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So I just was like, ah, this is a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So just like the dead sea. The dead sea is
dead because it takes everything in, but it has no outlet,
all right, so it doesn't circulate and freshens itself. And
as the intake, you have to have outlet. You take
in food, have a outlet. Okay, you take in thought,
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you have to outlet, have an outlet. Even I have
a young lady, oh man, she's still she's in the
mid twenties now, but I discovered and our church at
ten years old. She was a prolific writer, but she
was afraid to put her thoughts and she's still afraid.
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But if she ever gives in to that gift, oh man,
you talking about a talented person, Okay, but she kept
it in out of one fear, all right, being laughed
at being thought of abc D. You know whatever people
come at us with to belittle us because they're envious
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or jealous, or because we are not just like them,
And life and human beings are not uniform, all right,
But we must move together in a unified and cooperatives. Listen, people,
we're going to come back to this after we this break.
You have been listening to Black Thought. Everything must changed
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to inform, to inspire, and to impact on WOVU ninety
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with Black Thought. Everything was changed to inform, to inspire,
and to impact on WOVU ninety five point nine FM. Listen,
we're talking about developing or allowing the soul, the spirit,
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regaining our spiritual spirituality, and growing into spiritual maturity. Now
for me, for me, this person radio personality, Christianity is
my way. I ascribe to it and from what I
have read, what I have learned to believe by personal experience,
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that is, by trial and error, by trying the spirit,
by the spirit, it has proven to be the workable
spiritual path for me, all right. And my relationship with Yashua,
who is the Christ, my Savior, my redeemer, all right,
that works for me, and I ascribe it to anyone
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who wants to really follow and find the true way.
It is not I say this again, it is not.
It is not a white man's religion, although he has
tried to take and color it with his face, it
is not his. There is no religion or no major
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religion that comes out of Europe. Hello, there have two
more than two thousand denominations and whatnot. But the principles
and basics of Christianity, Islam and Christianity are out of Africa.
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They are oriental and nature. There are no occidentals. The
occidentals have stolen, manipulated, relabeled, developed a theology that's not
really in the scriptures, all right, that do not necessarily
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apply to us. And we must get the scriptures and
read them ourselves for ourselves. I have the Ethiopian Bible,
all right, eighty eight books for the Bible, all right.
You know, some other people will disagree with me. The
King James version of the Bible is the European cliff
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note version, if you will, all right, the abbreviated version,
all right. And so there's some things that you have
to read with new eyes, through new lenses. I'll give
you a fine example. They try to say that Ham,
son of Noah, all right, is the curse of Ham
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for the relationship he had with his father, and that
Ham is the father of black people. What yes, yes,
oh yes, oh yes. And in the white world. That's
that's how we got black people from him.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
But it's interesting because if you ask the white the
correct white person, I.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Haven't met one yet. I haven't met a correct white person.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Well, some of them will be honest and tell you
how great people.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I have not met that person. I have not met
that white person. The ones that I have met who
are talking like Jane Elliott on Facebook, Tim Wise on Facebook.
But no white person have I met in my life
have has spoken the truth as we know it.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I'm talking about those individuals, individuals such as those individuals
like you just okay, such as the Jane Elliots, such
as the.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Other Robin DiAngelo Jones.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yes, black superiority, and let me rephrase that.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Not black superior but but the right for place of
black people in the history of mankind.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Okay, thank you for that rephrase.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
But it's important to.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Know and understand that some of them do know the
real and are willing to talk about the real.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
But a lot of them know the real and still.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Choose to hide it and still choose to portray this
this Gost's notion that they know for a fact this
is not I have to.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Keep being relevant to their their ethnicity. That's in party,
But there are some who would rather tell the truth
and have it out there rather than to to be
loyal to the ethnicity, if you will, Okay, And so
that that's something we must understand, and we must we
must go back to developing our moral foundation and our
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young people need to understand that we are not one
another's enemies at this point in time. At this point
in time, we are are to be partners and our
ability to redevelop ourselves, regain our dignity and our rightful
place in the human uh structure, if you will, all right?
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And when we get to that point where we can
stop trying to as simulate to them, all right? Uh?
And and you know we must we must be true.
I had one of my former members, had had treated
my wife and I to uh to dinner Sunday. Yes,
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we we went up to the rooftop and he came in.
He didn't know what. He came in a desert outfit,
you know, the long road and and he had on
the the Kufa all right, uh, but then he had
the Yamaica on underneath looking for an identity you know.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Well speaking of let me ask you this, knowing that
we are when some would quote quote say the original Hebrews.
What makes you stay in Christianity because.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
One is Christianity is a hebrek okay origin is hebreak? Yes, Okay,
all right, so I don't have no problem staying in it.
It is it is a It is a for me,
it is Judaism grown up, grown up. Judaism was the
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the infant of okay. And out of out of Judaism
came Christianity, which Christianity, Christ the Yashua came. And uh,
I'm just I'm just kind of narrowing this down. I
don't only get off into the whole theology, all right,
but for this, for the illustration of this conversation, he
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came to show us how to be Jewsed, and that
we were made for the law, was made for us
and not us for the law, and that there was
certain things that we could and should do out of
necessity that was understood by God, all right, because it
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was necessary for our continuance and our existence and well being.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Thank you, thank you for that breakdown. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Just look.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
When it comes to identity and just human beings in general,
they especially in today's day and age, where we have
all this access to information at our fingertips and misinformation
at our fingertips, people are more a lot more people
are way more confused than they have ever been, and
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it's hard for them to understand not only themselves, but
what religious practice will best serve them. When you talk
about Christianity, you continuously say for me, what's best for me?
What I have found work for me, because that is
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important to signify when you're explaining these type of occurrences
and spiritual levels and things of that nature and physics science.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
However you want to label it.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
If you are not ready for that level of consciousness,
that's okay, But if you are not willing to at
least listen to understand the other person's perspective of why
that served that certain individual, is going to be very
hard for you to find what serves you and your soul,
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I have, your spirit, have a.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Purpose for being, and my purpose is my calling, okay,
and that calling is to take and ex to share
with others what I have experienced, hopefully to compel them
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to accept as I have accepted. But it does not
mean I cannot listen to someone else. Yes, all right,
but my job is to tell them because if I
don't tell them when I have the opportunity, then if
I don't tell you, then your blood is on my hands.
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And I don't want your blood on my hands. So
I have the responsibility when I'm led by the spirit
to share the good news of the gospel. But I
have also limitations. There's a limitations placed on me also
because I'm not to cast my pearl or swine, all right,
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So I am not to cast my pearl before swine.
So that's my limitation. Yes, I am to share it,
all right, but I am to share it with limitations,
all right. And so but when the Spirit leads me
to where I am to share it all right, then
that's what I do, okay. And when when the Spirit
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shows me that this is a swine situation, I don't
cast my pearl, right, So then my responsibility to my
purpose and calling is to share it all right. But
and then I have a responsibility too, I think, I
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think only think this now to share it with love. Yes, now,
I'm not to be dogmatic and try to beat you
over the head with it or shove it down your throat,
but to give it to you in a way that's
appetizing and appealing, okay, to appeal to you as a
human being, all right, in a persuasive way. All right,
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then then I'm okay. And in many instances I see
many people who try to beat other people over the
head or belittle.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Then do you feel like, oh, we only got eight minutes,
I don't know, we go okay, I'm gonna ask anyway,
real quick, do you feel like that? Is another reason
why black men have always not attended church. It's a
possibility as much as black women.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
It's a possibility. Another real quick possibility is many black
men and white men see like to be macho and
I'm the night and shining alma. I don't need help.
I can handle these things. And so therefore, you know,
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they don't want to do that. Uh, And then they
seize and in some instances they see the preacher as
some kind of pull pimp, all right, and don't understand
that when you give times and offering, you're not you're
honoring God? All right? Yes, all right? And that he says,
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he says to bring this into the storehouse so there
will be meet and now how you do it kind
of trans changes in some people's mind. Okay, in the
new Testament. God loves to give generously, give, give with
a cheerful spirit, a willing spirit. Okay. But the fact
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of the matter is we are to give. Okay, all
right now, Now if I have the response, if I
have the gift to take that which comes into God's house,
all right, because I am admitted by his word to
live off that meat, all right, And I have the
gift to take that meat and make if you blame
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the bologna, and I can take that, philimine young, I
have that gift. That's my business.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, I agree to a certain extent.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
If I can listen. If I can take a if
I can take a dollar and go buy me a
rose Royce, that's that's my gift. Yeah, all right, I
have the ability to transcend that into something that I Okay,
you can take that same dollar. You can't do it.
It has nothing to do with with me misusing what
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would I have been given.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Okay, I get what you're saying in that instant Because
churches and taxes and all of those things, money is different.
So I get what you're saying. You could take a
little bill of something and get something that looks a
lot for one, yes, and then for two. People don't
know that, and so all they see is the pastor
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pulling up in the bins, and they like, hold on,
holda halaw, you get that.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
But if I can take that, you know, by by
by my talents, my gift. If I take that one
dollar the guy got the three guys one was giving five, ten,
one was given five, one was giving one. The one
of ten to multiply that one was giving five multiplied
the one that had one that knew nothing with his See.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, for me, growing up, I knew I would be
blessed and fortunate, and I knew once I reached a
certain level that that extra wouldn't. It wouldn't I wouldn't
be blessed in that fashion. For myself, I would be
blessed in that fashion to continue to help others on
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a greater scale.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Okay, so if I risk me, if I'm driving, if
I'm driving a my bends on my my rolls Royce.
As as as a spiritual example, my testimony is look
what God will do, How God will bless you if
you use your talents to your ability. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
I don't even have a problem with a pastor pulling
up in the bins or wars, whatever it is, as
long as he's doing the work, I don't care, I
don't But you can't define.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
But see, you can't define what the work is for
him because everybody's work ain't the same, right.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Because work, in my eyes is it may be different
than what his actual assignment is.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
But I'm human and I'm flawed, and I'm a judge.
That's just me.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
And God will forgive you for your but he will
judge you also how.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
You feel about exactly how you feel about Marvin stop
closing the doors to the church.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Well, I don't know what the purpose, real purpose, and
what he was trying to accomplish and what and whether
it was.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
No, no, he repeated it. Well, I mean, but he's
a restaurants.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Listen, listen, listen, listen. I'm retiring, all right, May third,
right at the at the Mediterranean Room at six o'clock. Yeah,
a retiring as pastor of a heritage community Baptist church.
All right. Now, we we got tickets for sale and
whatnot and so forth. That's that's chatamont. The door will
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be closed to anybody who doesn't have a ticket.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yes, okay, where could people get the tickets from?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
You? Can call Steve Marcus, Reverend Pastor Steve Marcus. Hold
on just a moment, let me pull up his number.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Here, that's Steve Marcus.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
You can reach out if you would like to be
a part of the celebration for our beloved Rabbi.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Look, how many years.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Thirty is his pastor? Fifty five years preaching? Steve Marcus.
Area code two one six seven eight zero one seven
three one again two one six seven eight zero one
seven three one that's reverend Pastor, Reverend Steve Marcus. Or
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you can call my wife, Elaine, Goldston area code two
one six seven eight nine seven five eight four again Elaine,
Goldston area code two one six seven eight nine seven
five eight four.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
May third at the Mediterraneanum six o'clock six oclide my
next question. Thank you at the medit ran in six pem.
We're gonna beat her all right?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Well, people listen, we gotta get out of here, and
so I close out as normal. I will drink from
my part of the river and no one should keep
me from it. This is the Rabbi along with the
Black Unicorn Saint Shalom Haaba. Until next time. M
This is w O v U Studios.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
All good afternoon, people. You now listening to Black Thought.
Everything must change to inform, to inspire, and to impact.
On w O v U ninety five point nine f M.
This is your host, the Rabbi along with the Black Unicorn, UH,
bringing you some deep conversation we hope you need. How
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in the world are you? I know you got a
mouthful of pizza over there, but all right, you know,
how quick with it?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm good, I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I complain.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm excited to continue the conversation here on black Thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, what's the thoughts? That's all right, Yeah, that's that's
it's It's okay. Long, Let's don't call us each for dinner,
you know. Let's you know you need we we uh,
we've been talking about the Name's book. I know thyself.
One of the things I want to call to our
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attention is the fact that we have been exiled from
our land, from our culture, and from our identity, and
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the way one of the ways that we must come
back to ourselves, if you will, UH, is to understand
that there has been a process of animalization of the
people that were kidnapped uh and exiled into this country.
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We were kidnapped, brutalized, raped, murdered, forced into servitude. We
call it slavery, and indoctrinated into a system that was
hostile and even foreign to our way. And so when
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we begin to understand these kinds of things and moral
Alvin Morrow in his book Breaking the Curse of Willie Lynch,
page twenty four, wise people throughout the ages have taught
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us to know ourselves. But in the life of the overwhelmed,
in the life of the overwhelming majority of Dego slaves
confined to the American plantation, that was never provided the opportunity,
under say conditions that would enable the negro to ever
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publicly regain his humanity. In most cases, the stronger or
more educated negro was killed outright in front of the
rest of the slaves as an example as to what
happens to a quote unquote nigger boy slave when he
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decides to become a human. The examples was then and
is presently used as a system of checks and balances
in order to mentally produce fear in the negro, thus
hindering an entire race of people from achieving true liberation.
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And this is some of the things that we need
to understand, and we're not getting to them. We're not
getting to the bone. Okay, all right, we're not getting
to the bone. Making man exists in the state of
an animal is a twofold process. First, there is the
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destruction of the decent morals. Okay, we've been raised, we've
been we were we were we were bred like kind
of animals being bred, you know, for offsprings or our
offspring was sold. And so I think there is a
underlying cultural trait there that we feel that we can
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do anything with anybody at any time, and it's all right,
all right, but that that attitude, that mindset breaks our
moral code that we came here with and that most
people in the world had, except de Opressor.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Because that was definitely the objective.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
What happens to a young lady when something of that
nature occurs in her life at a young age, Most
of the time, she does not care about the sanctity
of her body. Afterwards, this time, she feels like her
innocence has already been robbed of her, so she goes
around giving her goods to whoever wants.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That she no longer values.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Exactly because she does not see the value within herself,
because she feels as though it has been stripped of her,
not realizing that was the mental manipulation of the experience
that she had that she walked away with that trauma.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I would change the word from manipulation to indoctrination. There's
a difference. The manipulation is kind of you know. Using
indoctrination is changing the mindset and changing the intellect, all right,
even changing the spiritual.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, it's a complete reprogram.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, okay, So let me finish here. First, there is
the destruction of decent morals, which include the perversion of
people's traditional native religious practices and governing social norms. These laws, rules,
regulations serve as a guideline or people internal fortress to
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protect that society and citizens from foreign disruption and disorder
as during the years of physical bondage. The bulk of
Black community today is suffering internally because of the debasement
of our human foundation. That foundation consisted of a high
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level of moral ethical conduct, supported by belief in laws
and of nature. Okay, and we that we our system
of natural law, all right, rather than civil law. Okay.
And they use civil law to maybe to undo our
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belief and practices of natural law, again making them the
only group of people on the face of the earth
that lives in conflict with nature. Okay, all right, so
then that that's then. Secondly, the dehumanization of the African
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happened during the entire process of kidnapping, sale, and forced enslavement.
This included the housing of masses of slaves in hayfield
barns with the beasts of the field, a process that
included the installation of gold or silver caps on the
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front teeth of black for the purpose of identification. And
in most cases this was the treatment given to horses,
I mean, and most I'm sorry, given to the house negroes,
but most were wore the master's mark, burned by the
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branding iron with burning coals. This is one of the
early stages of dehumanization suffered by the Negro slave, and
like then today, many of us were the symbols of
the legacy of our oppressors on our black bodies.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Man, I literally was just thinking about getting the grill.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I don't know that, and like I feel disturbed because
my friend she literally just got a tool piece on
the side and I said.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I want that. That looks so cool, that looks.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
So it's amazing. It is amazing. Black people are so amazing.
How many things just like that that we have been
given by our pressors, that we have turned into fashion
statements and cultural staples like it?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Really, well, we're in the past. Pants sagging, Oh lord.
All right. They tried to blame it on prison, but
it goes back to the eighth, seventeenth and eighteenth century
where six or sixteenth or seventeenth, eight seventeen, eighteen, nineteen
twentieth century, whereas when you were a rebellious slave, a
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male especially, you were brought before the community slave community
and raped annually, all right, and then you had to
wear your parts below your waist to demonstrate that you
have been had. You know, there are so many things
we don't understand, our young people killing one another, you know,
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self hatred that's really been been in doc donated into us. Yeah,
there might be some other lying calls, as you're angry
at daddy because he you know, he wasn't there and whatnot. So,
but there's something feeding that that's more sinister than what's
happening on the surface. That's more of the symptoms, all right,
(10:16):
than an actual disease, all right, And we need to
understand y'all. Excuse me. You hear me smacking. I'm having
some dental work done and uh and so I'm having
trouble with with with my speech. Oh uh and the
smacking sound, you know, it's it's it's a little difficult,
difficult to control. Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So I didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I hear. I hear it. I hear it. Okay, Okay,
I'm like, you know, okay, And it's not that Okay,
it's that I'm having some dinner work. No, no, darling,
I'm still here, okay. But anyhow, this this, this is
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the important art that we really fail to understand. And
my flesh calls when I hear people say they haven't
they have no use for the church anymore, or all right,
or religion okay. The second phase of the dehumanization and
animalization of us deals with the spiritual perversion of people
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based on training the Black Africans under the Western psychological,
domesticated system of indoctrination. This starts the very moment when
the people are stripped of their personal duties and responsibilities
are doing for themselves. And again this comes back to
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being willfully irresponsible or skillfully irresponsible. You're taught to be
skillfully irresponsible because you have not been taught, all right,
you don't know how. Then, real willful responsibility is if
you choose to be irresponsible, because it means you have
to be give up being a victim.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
People are choosing so drastically these days, it's quite scary.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Continue.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay again, We'll go back and repeat. This starts the
very moment when people are stripped of them personal duties
and responsibilities, are doing for themselves under a system organized
and constructed by their own peers. All right. The Wooly
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Lynch method explain this as the creation of a state
of dependency in modern terms, a welfare state, and any
black male or female that does anything other than the
norm could easily be classified as the enemy of the state.
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We as black people, should be aware that the moment
we begin to depend on someone else to do for
us what with unity we can do for ourselves, we
have given them the power over our lives. This automatically
gives the old slave master and its offspring upper hand.
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As a nation. Blacks continue to suffer economically during the
era of the Freedman's Freedman's Bureau. In our ignorance to
do something for ourselves, we were forced to turn right
back around and offer black labor to the former slave
masters in the form of sharecropping. And so this is
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this is something that we need to take a very
deep look at, okay, and understand how we are have
become comfortable or depends on that of the system and
because therefore become comfortable in their oppressive atmosphere that they
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have created for us. With that, folks, listen, we're going
to become right back. You have been listening to Black Thought.
Everything must changed to inform, to inspire, and to impact.
On WOVU ninety five point nine FM, we will be
right back, all right, people, you're back here with Black Thought.
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Everything must change to inform, to inspire, and to impact
with the Rappi and the black unicorn. And we have
been talking about the animalization of our human beings doing
the peculiar institution of slavery. And I've been reading excerpts
from Breaking the Curse of Wooly Lynch by Alvin Morrow.
That's R. R. Old w Breaking the Curse of the
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Wooly Lynch of the Science of slave psych hology and
how to break that the curse. And now I want
to shift gears now and we go back to our
last discussion week before last when we were in with
Naim Akbah talking about know thy self and the self
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in his concept is divided into five parts or the
five selves, okay. And there is the tribal, which is ancestral.
There's the social, which is relational. There's the personal, which
is the mind, there's the physical which is the body,
and then there's the soul, which is the spiritual. All right,
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And so when we go there, the African American educational
system rooted in self knowledge must not should, but must
begin with the African definition in order to be successful
in achieving its goal. The African self is a multiple
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dimension dimensional occurrence that is represented within uh the individual person,
but also transcends the individual in its present, but also
transcends time. If one could chart a two dimensionals concept
of the African view of self, it must look at
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what we just read, which was in Fig. One, which
is the five selves. Okay. Now with that, I want
to digress from that, okay, and I want to go
to we need to understand who and what we are
in our African origin. Okay, we are people of African origin,
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of that African origin. Listen to me carefully, my people.
We are the chosen people. Hello. We are either the
Falasha Jew or Hebrew, okay, or the half low h
A p l O filasha f l f A l
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A s h A all right. Now you have that
as Khanazi. The as Khanazi is the European Jew who
converted to Judaism and now in nineteen forty eight moved
to occupy Israel. Now, and you had a cohabitation, and
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there's another group, the Uh Separdy, the Separdy s E
p h A r d I now h E r
d I okay. And you had a cohabitation between either
the and the Askanazi, the Uh, the Haplo and the
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Asconazi and the Haplo and Asconazi. And you got with
that the mezrah m I z r A h all right, okay.
And so this is how you come up with the
Askanazi that may look like you and I all right, however,
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I'm not anti Semitic. I am prog you because we
are the Chosen people, all right, I'm not anti Semitic.
At all. But I am for the real Hebrew of
the Bible. All right, just hold on, just hold on.
As Khanazi are a group of European Jews who could
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not decide between Islam and Christianity and chose to go
in between and become Asknazi Jews. The euro it's called
the euro Jew has no Abrahamic DNA or the other
falasha all right, uh separd separated, separate d falasha HAPLO
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have Abrahamic DNA.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He meant abraham DNA.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
They are of the lineage of Abraham. Oh, okay, okay.
Abraham had uh two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, and they're
either one or the other. So you have Abrahamic DNA
when you convert, that means you chose to be a Jew.
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Does not give you the bloodline, the genetics, the d
and a Hello. Now again, this is another way that
Europeans have denied, stolen, twisted, exiled us from our identity,
our land, our culture, and our identity. Oh so I'm
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hoping we're understanding this all right?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Oh, we certainly are waiting for you to circle back around.
Okay to what are we gonna get there? I know
you're coming around.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Let's look at the dimensions or layers of self from
the African perspective and consider what the educational experience must
be like. First of all, we must understand that the
last piece that we gave of self, the soul, all right,
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is the core of self. In the earlier publication and
titled Light Around the Ancient Africa, Nwahim discussed the ancient
African conception of self as having the soul or the
bar at its course, the ba Okay. The ancients of
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the Nile Valley civilization considered the bar to be the
essence of self. It represented a combination of spirit and intellect. Intelligence.
It is believed to be the energy that comes directly
from the Creator and remains the human beings link with
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the Creator. The bar is the breath of life, which
is an allegory for the universality of life that runs
through all human beings. All right, And we look in
the Bible, and he took and he breathed, okay into us. Now,
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that is the soul, the essence of life, all right.
And for me, as soon as conception is made, as
soon as the sperm penetrates over it, all right, that
is life. The breath of life is in it. In fact,
it cannot grow and developed into anything. All right, Separate
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it does nothing, but together it is now. Have it
now has a breath of life breathed into it?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yes, I agree, all.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Right, And is a reflection of the creator.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Talk about it, the.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Creator of the seat. Let's see, before there was nothing
that was something, but before that was something that was nothing.
M okay, and that's God, all right, all right? Before that,
before matter, hi, matter of time and space, all right,
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that was nothing. But before that that was nothing that
was something. But before that was something that was nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
See that's that old age question.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I feel like that which comes from.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
First. You know.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You hear all these cultural stories right in different cultures
that have their origin stories, right, and some of them
are a little far out, like Buddhism. You know, Buddha
popped out the side of that woman. But it all
happens to have some type of miracle attached to their
(23:57):
origin story in one shape or another. The details may change,
may get a little murky, but.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
They pretty much say the same. Be a good person.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I hear you, I hear you. And everyone has their
their their their well not everyone, but many religions have
their concept of the beginning. But we I think we
all agreed before that was something that was nothing, before
that was nothing that was something.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
See, we can't agree.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
But I think that phrase in itself still confuses a
lot of people because they can't understand how something came
from nothing or how nothing is something.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Then talk to that person in a listening audience right
now who does not understand that phrase. Who who that
that is a complex thought for them?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, one of the one of the things I think
happens in our belief systems, okay, is that we cannot
conceive that there. There are several schools of thought that
I listened to but do not ascribe to. One is
the school that says there are several universes. That's contradictory
(25:25):
because universe says that that universe is all that there is.
There cannot be several all that there is, okay, So
it all is one. So nothing can be outside of
the universal set, all right? So whatever, although there was nothing,
(25:48):
that nothing had to be inside of something because it
cannot go outside of itself. If I'm hoping this.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Is do you feel like people get con fused in
that sense of when they think about universes, and lateral
planes and.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Lateral planes and dimensions are all in the universal.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Set exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So with that being said, and people hear these words
compound on each other not realizing that this is all
in one universal setting.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Okay, the universal set. Here's a hypothetical that we can
the universal set of buildings. Is this building? Okay? You
have the library, you have w O v U, you
have comp Corporeea okay, yes, Copia, and then you have
(26:44):
BBC all right, and.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You get the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
That's going all of that space there. Yes, all right.
So that's the universe versal set of this building, all right, Now,
that it is, and there can be no other outside
of this universal set. So this building represents all that
there is in building and in this particular instance, all right,
(27:13):
So it is what it is. Nothing can be outside
of it, all right, It is what it is.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
But there's so many other intricate parts happening well to
each other in the same universal building.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yes, yes, absolutely, I'm sorry finish thought.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yes, well, you have the library that does its thing,
all right, you have you have this this radio show
that does this thing that also incorporates some of what
the library does. Then if the restaurant is open, all right,
you have some things going on in the restaurant that
incorporates what happens in the year, and in the library
(27:53):
all right. Then you have the meeting room all right,
that incorporates what goes on, the radio station okay, the
library okay, and the restaurant all right, and then you
have BBC all right, the kind of governs and man,
it just manipulates, if you will, all of that goes
(28:14):
on in this universal set.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And I'm glad we somehow got on this, but it
makes me think of those occurrences when people say, oh,
I saw my dad Auntie at the foot of my
bed last night, things of that nature, not realizing that
their playing is still parallel with ours because we're all
under one universe. But that's why I wanted you to
(28:40):
explain it, because it's still for some people, it's still
is confusing.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So thank you for that explanation.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, then then if you go if you go into
Restma Menacum's book My Grandmother's Hands, all right, Risma says
that when you are in a good state of uh spirituality,
if you will, okay, that the ancestors will come to
you and you can visibly see them. We must remember
(29:13):
now the ancestors can die. My mom, My mom is
dust in the grave, but the spirit herself has been released,
all right, and back into the hole, if you will.
All right, So it is a possibility. All right, we
know that we can, We know there are there's a
(29:36):
biblical count I have to go back and and read
it again, but there's a biblic account of a prophet
being in warfare and his understudy, if you will, was
fearful because they were so outnumbered by the enemy, and
(30:00):
he was questioning the questioning his mentor you're not worried?
Why aren't you worried? And so then he prayed that
the creator would remove the veil and allow him to
see the army they had available to the HM that
was greater than the enemy. Okay, And so that tells
(30:21):
us there that there is. And if I'm not mistaken,
Paul was taken on a tour of the three dimensions,
the three heavens or dimensions. Enoch was taken on a
tour of the ten heavens or dimensions. Hello, all right,
(30:42):
So that lets us know that there are other rooms
in this we're we're in this second dimension. I think
this is all right, We're in this dimension, but there's
a dimension. One dimension, there's three. This is two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
all right, And so when we begin to understand everybody's
(31:05):
not ready for this, and I teach it when I can, okay,
But the people who push back against it, I don't
try to shove it down their throat if I'm making sense,
because only when the students ready does the teacher appear.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I'm glad that you said that, because, like for me example,
I was one of the first you know, I was
a ninety kid, so I had Internet available, so I
was the little weirdo googling, well not googling.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I was asking Jeeves things like this.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I was asking Jeeves questions that I now talk to
you about. But I got to the point where I
was overloaded mentally and spiritually and I had to just stop.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
The reason and mind you, I was like twelve. One
of the reasons. One of the reasons was because you
were taking to the end, but you had no outlet.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I did it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I had no one to talk to about these things
in my life at that time, so it was like
I didn't know who to bounce all of this new
information off of.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So I just was like, ah, this is a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So just like the dead sea. The dead sea is
dead because it takes everything in, but it has no outlet,
all right, so it doesn't circulate and freshens itself. And
as the intake, you have to have outlet. You take
in food, have a outlet. Okay, you take in thought,
(32:34):
you have to outlet, have an outlet. Even I have
a young lady, oh man, she's still she's in the
mid twenties now, but I discovered and our church at
ten years old. She was a prolific writer, but she
was afraid to put her thoughts and she's still afraid.
(32:54):
But if she ever gives in to that gift, oh man,
you talking about a talented person, Okay, but she kept
it in out of one fear, all right, being laughed
at being thought of abc D. You know whatever people
come at us with to belittle us because they're envious
(33:15):
or jealous, or because we are not just like them,
And life and human beings are not uniform, all right,
But we must move together in a unified and cooperatives. Listen, people,
we're going to come back to this after we this break.
You have been listening to Black Thought. Everything must changed
(33:39):
to inform, to inspire, and to impact on WOVU ninety
five point nine FM. All right, people, you're back here
with Black Thought. Everything was changed to inform, to inspire,
and to impact on WOVU ninety five point nine FM. Listen,
we're talking about developing or allowing the soul, the spirit,
(34:05):
regaining our spiritual spirituality, and growing into spiritual maturity. Now
for me, for me, this person radio personality, Christianity is
my way. I ascribe to it and from what I
have read, what I have learned to believe by personal experience,
(34:30):
that is, by trial and error, by trying the spirit,
by the spirit, it has proven to be the workable
spiritual path for me, all right. And my relationship with Yashua,
who is the Christ, my Savior, my redeemer, all right,
that works for me, and I ascribe it to anyone
(34:55):
who wants to really follow and find the true way.
It is not I say this again, it is not.
It is not a white man's religion, although he has
tried to take and color it with his face, it
is not his. There is no religion or no major
(35:19):
religion that comes out of Europe. Hello, there have two
more than two thousand denominations and whatnot. But the principles
and basics of Christianity, Islam and Christianity are out of Africa.
(35:39):
They are oriental and nature. There are no occidentals. The
occidentals have stolen, manipulated, relabeled, developed a theology that's not
really in the scriptures, all right, that do not necessarily
(36:01):
apply to us. And we must get the scriptures and
read them ourselves for ourselves. I have the Ethiopian Bible,
all right, eighty eight books for the Bible, all right.
You know, some other people will disagree with me. The
King James version of the Bible is the European cliff
(36:24):
note version, if you will, all right, the abbreviated version,
all right. And so there's some things that you have
to read with new eyes, through new lenses. I'll give
you a fine example. They try to say that Ham,
son of Noah, all right, is the curse of Ham
(36:47):
for the relationship he had with his father, and that
Ham is the father of black people. What yes, yes,
oh yes, oh yes. And in the white world. That's
that's how we got black people from him.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
But it's interesting because if you ask the white the
correct white person, I.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Haven't met one yet. I haven't met a correct white person.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Well, some of them will be honest and tell you
how great people.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I have not met that person. I have not met
that white person. The ones that I have met who
are talking like Jane Elliott on Facebook, Tim Wise on Facebook.
But no white person have I met in my life
have has spoken the truth as we know it.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I'm talking about those individuals, individuals such as those individuals
like you just okay, such as the Jane Elliots, such
as the.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Other Robin DiAngelo Jones.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yes, black superiority, and let me rephrase that.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Not black superior but but the right for place of
black people in the history of mankind.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Okay, thank you for that rephrase.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
But it's important to.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Know and understand that some of them do know the
real and are willing to talk about the real.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
But a lot of them know the real and still.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Choose to hide it and still choose to portray this
this Gost's notion that they know for a fact this
is not I have to.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Keep being relevant to their their ethnicity. That's in party,
But there are some who would rather tell the truth
and have it out there rather than to to be
loyal to the ethnicity, if you will, Okay, And so
that that's something we must understand, and we must we
must go back to developing our moral foundation and our
(38:55):
young people need to understand that we are not one
another's enemies at this point in time. At this point
in time, we are are to be partners and our
ability to redevelop ourselves, regain our dignity and our rightful
place in the human uh structure, if you will, all right?
(39:20):
And when we get to that point where we can
stop trying to as simulate to them, all right? Uh?
And and you know we must we must be true.
I had one of my former members, had had treated
my wife and I to uh to dinner Sunday. Yes,
(39:42):
we we went up to the rooftop and he came in.
He didn't know what. He came in a desert outfit,
you know, the long road and and he had on
the the Kufa all right, uh, but then he had
the Yamaica on underneath looking for an identity you know.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Well speaking of let me ask you this, knowing that
we are when some would quote quote say the original Hebrews.
What makes you stay in Christianity because.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
One is Christianity is a hebrek okay origin is hebreak? Yes, Okay,
all right, so I don't have no problem staying in it.
It is it is a It is a for me,
it is Judaism grown up, grown up. Judaism was the
(40:39):
the infant of okay. And out of out of Judaism
came Christianity, which Christianity, Christ the Yashua came. And uh,
I'm just I'm just kind of narrowing this down. I
don't only get off into the whole theology, all right,
but for this, for the illustration of this conversation, he
(41:01):
came to show us how to be Jewsed, and that
we were made for the law, was made for us
and not us for the law, and that there was
certain things that we could and should do out of
necessity that was understood by God, all right, because it
(41:24):
was necessary for our continuance and our existence and well being.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Thank you, thank you for that breakdown. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Just look.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
When it comes to identity and just human beings in general,
they especially in today's day and age, where we have
all this access to information at our fingertips and misinformation
at our fingertips, people are more a lot more people
are way more confused than they have ever been, and
(42:00):
it's hard for them to understand not only themselves, but
what religious practice will best serve them. When you talk
about Christianity, you continuously say for me, what's best for me?
What I have found work for me, because that is
(42:21):
important to signify when you're explaining these type of occurrences
and spiritual levels and things of that nature and physics science.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
However you want to label it.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
If you are not ready for that level of consciousness,
that's okay, But if you are not willing to at
least listen to understand the other person's perspective of why
that served that certain individual, is going to be very
hard for you to find what serves you and your soul,
(42:58):
I have, your spirit, have a.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Purpose for being, and my purpose is my calling, okay,
and that calling is to take and ex to share
with others what I have experienced, hopefully to compel them
(43:21):
to accept as I have accepted. But it does not
mean I cannot listen to someone else. Yes, all right,
but my job is to tell them because if I
don't tell them when I have the opportunity, then if
I don't tell you, then your blood is on my hands.
(43:41):
And I don't want your blood on my hands. So
I have the responsibility when I'm led by the spirit
to share the good news of the gospel. But I
have also limitations. There's a limitations placed on me also
because I'm not to cast my pearl or swine, all right,
(44:05):
So I am not to cast my pearl before swine.
So that's my limitation. Yes, I am to share it,
all right, but I am to share it with limitations,
all right. And so but when the Spirit leads me
to where I am to share it all right, then
that's what I do, okay. And when when the Spirit
(44:27):
shows me that this is a swine situation, I don't
cast my pearl, right, So then my responsibility to my
purpose and calling is to share it all right. But
and then I have a responsibility too, I think, I
(44:48):
think only think this now to share it with love. Yes, now,
I'm not to be dogmatic and try to beat you
over the head with it or shove it down your throat,
but to give it to you in a way that's
appetizing and appealing, okay, to appeal to you as a
human being, all right, in a persuasive way. All right,
(45:11):
then then I'm okay. And in many instances I see
many people who try to beat other people over the
head or belittle.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Then do you feel like, oh, we only got eight minutes,
I don't know, we go okay, I'm gonna ask anyway,
real quick, do you feel like that? Is another reason
why black men have always not attended church. It's a
possibility as much as black women.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
It's a possibility. Another real quick possibility is many black
men and white men see like to be macho and
I'm the night and shining alma. I don't need help.
I can handle these things. And so therefore, you know,
(46:04):
they don't want to do that. Uh, And then they
seize and in some instances they see the preacher as
some kind of pull pimp, all right, and don't understand
that when you give times and offering, you're not you're
honoring God? All right? Yes, all right? And that he says,
(46:25):
he says to bring this into the storehouse so there
will be meet and now how you do it kind
of trans changes in some people's mind. Okay, in the
new Testament. God loves to give generously, give, give with
a cheerful spirit, a willing spirit. Okay. But the fact
(46:46):
of the matter is we are to give. Okay, all
right now, Now if I have the response, if I
have the gift to take that which comes into God's house,
all right, because I am admitted by his word to
live off that meat, all right, And I have the
gift to take that meat and make if you blame
(47:08):
the bologna, and I can take that, philimine young, I
have that gift. That's my business.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, I agree to a certain extent.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
If I can listen. If I can take a if
I can take a dollar and go buy me a
rose Royce, that's that's my gift. Yeah, all right, I
have the ability to transcend that into something that I Okay,
you can take that same dollar. You can't do it.
It has nothing to do with with me misusing what
(47:42):
would I have been given.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Okay, I get what you're saying in that instant Because
churches and taxes and all of those things, money is different.
So I get what you're saying. You could take a
little bill of something and get something that looks a
lot for one, yes, and then for two. People don't
know that, and so all they see is the pastor
(48:05):
pulling up in the bins, and they like, hold on,
holda halaw, you get that.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
But if I can take that, you know, by by
by my talents, my gift. If I take that one
dollar the guy got the three guys one was giving five, ten,
one was given five, one was giving one. The one
of ten to multiply that one was giving five multiplied
the one that had one that knew nothing with his See.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, for me, growing up, I knew I would be
blessed and fortunate, and I knew once I reached a
certain level that that extra wouldn't. It wouldn't I wouldn't
be blessed in that fashion. For myself, I would be
blessed in that fashion to continue to help others on
(48:53):
a greater scale.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Okay, so if I risk me, if I'm driving, if
I'm driving a my bends on my my rolls Royce.
As as as a spiritual example, my testimony is look
what God will do, How God will bless you if
you use your talents to your ability. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
I don't even have a problem with a pastor pulling
up in the bins or wars, whatever it is, as
long as he's doing the work, I don't care, I
don't But you can't define.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
But see, you can't define what the work is for
him because everybody's work ain't the same, right.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Because work, in my eyes is it may be different
than what his actual assignment is.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
But I'm human and I'm flawed, and I'm a judge.
That's just me.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
And God will forgive you for your but he will
judge you also how.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
You feel about exactly how you feel about Marvin stop
closing the doors to the church.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Well, I don't know what the purpose, real purpose, and
what he was trying to accomplish and what and whether
it was.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
No, no, he repeated it. Well, I mean, but he's
a restaurants.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Listen, listen, listen, listen. I'm retiring, all right, May third,
right at the at the Mediterranean Room at six o'clock. Yeah,
a retiring as pastor of a heritage community Baptist church.
All right. Now, we we got tickets for sale and
whatnot and so forth. That's that's chatamont. The door will
(50:31):
be closed to anybody who doesn't have a ticket.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yes, okay, where could people get the tickets from?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
You? Can call Steve Marcus, Reverend Pastor Steve Marcus. Hold
on just a moment, let me pull up his number.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Here, that's Steve Marcus.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
You can reach out if you would like to be
a part of the celebration for our beloved Rabbi.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Look, how many years.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Thirty is his pastor? Fifty five years preaching? Steve Marcus.
Area code two one six seven eight zero one seven
three one again two one six seven eight zero one
seven three one that's reverend Pastor, Reverend Steve Marcus. Or
(51:20):
you can call my wife, Elaine, Goldston area code two
one six seven eight nine seven five eight four again Elaine,
Goldston area code two one six seven eight nine seven
five eight four.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
May third at the Mediterraneanum six o'clock six oclide my
next question. Thank you at the medit ran in six pem.
We're gonna beat her all right?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Well, people listen, we gotta get out of here, and
so I close out as normal. I will drink from
my part of the river and no one should keep
me from it. This is the Rabbi along with the
Black Unicorn Saint Shalom Haaba. Until next time. M
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