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April 2, 2025 • 57 mins
On this episode of Black Thought: The Spark, we dive into Dr. Na'im Akbar's transformative book Know Thyself and explore what it truly means to understand the spiritual, physical, personal, and social self. Pastor Gohlstin and DJ Black Unicorn break down how self-knowledge is the key to empowerment, healing, and reclaiming our collective identity. From ancient wisdom to modern struggles, this conversation sheds light on how deeper self-awareness can elevate individuals and strengthen the Black community as a whole.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is w O v U Studios.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
You're now listening to Black Thought. Everything was changed to inform,
to inspire, and to impact on w O v U
ninety five point ninety f M. This is the Rabbi
along with the Black Unicorn bringing you, bringing you this
segment you need. How in the world are you? And
I want to know what you did this weekend? You

(00:33):
didn't want to tell me this morn.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm blessed by the best. I'm blessed by the best.
I'm good. We never really took those cleansing breaths we
usually take either, which you know, I've been ripping and
running it all morning. My weekend was hecktic. My mom's
car went down, So you know, I'm grown, grown now.
My mama borrowing my car, and I'm so grateful and

(00:55):
blessed to even be able to do that, yes for them,
you know. So I'm I'm in a grateful space right now,
and I'm going to continue to stay in this space.
I think a lot of times we get caught up
in the losses and don't realize what we're gaining. So
I'm I'm I'm staying grounded in that space right now.
That's how UNI's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
My weekend was frivolous. I had a great weekend. I
went to do you you know, k pop the genre
of music. So it's a restaurant called k Pot where
you can cook all your your food right in front
of you on this little hot plate and it's cute.
I wanted to go, so we went and I had

(01:36):
a great time. I definitely I enjoyed seeing my dude
do his thing on stage. Shoutout Goodie mad killed it
down in Columbus. But yeah, it was a great time.
We doubled back here really quickly for a birthday party.
Took my little girl to shout out l j M.
Her little son, a Zi, had his first birthday and

(01:58):
she went all out, like I asked for more. First
mother's duke. I know, I did it, And you know,
I think as the kids come, you realize the first
birthday long as you know, they're there and their their
family and cousins and they're enjoying themselves. It's not that
deep the first few birthdays, you know, but that comes
with time and relinquishing of anxieties that come along with parity.

(02:24):
But yes, tell me about your weekend again. For anybody.
I didn't catch it this morning.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
We had a good weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
We had a brunch with one of our local elected officials.
We went and heard Kent Smith give a kind of
an update on town hall meeting and update on what's
going on in Columbus and some of his insights in
terms of what's happening in DC and how it will
impact Ohio.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Folks.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
We we we we we need to let me. Let
me just say this, West say this. You better go
get you some batteries in the flashlight, a radio, you know,
maybe you better get a go get a generator, all right,
so that you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Have some power.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Some things are going to happen, and I think in
the very near future, and you need to be prepared.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I've been telling them we've been talking about it. Yes,
we've been talking about it, and all the signs are here. Yes,
all the signs been happening. And if you have not
been paying attention, if you've been completely detached, and like
you know, I have to stay sane. Like a lot
of my millennial friends, I've been hearing them say, you know, no,
I can't do it. I've been staying on for the
ig and I haven't been listening or paying attention or

(03:36):
watching the news, which I you know, lots of media
outlets push what they want you to think about, write
what they want you to obsess over. So I'm not
against not tuning in to the news. What I am
against is not staying informed, not being connected to what
is actually going on in your community and your war,

(03:57):
what's happening in your immediate surroundings that at least you know,
you can't completely detach it. And I understand I have
detached before.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, I've just ordered a solar powered generator.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay, yeah, better, better, I have.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
A solar powered two solar powered power powered radios that
you can also plug your phone into and recharge and
your computer. Okay, so that's that's kind of stuff. I
have about ten bags of charcoal and about to buy
some more, so if I have to cook, I can
cook on my grill. All right, Listen, we we want

(04:35):
to get off into not em knock bars, but know
that self, okay, And Elijah Mohammed uh does a little.
They use Elijah mohammet piece here in the definition of self,
it says in the knowledge it self that the so
called negro lax, which keeps them from enjoying freedom, justice

(04:59):
and equality. This belongs to them divinely as much as
it does to other nations of the earth. And so
we are functioning under constitutional civil law, all right, but
there's also natural law, okay, and divinely under natural law.

(05:26):
Before I go there, I want us to understand that
man is made in God's image. This is a historical show.
It's not a preaching show. But we have to go there,
all right. Man is made in God's image, and that
is one. He's immortal. Man is immortal. We always have lived,

(05:48):
we are living, and we always shall live. However, our
eternal state is determined on whether we live eternally with
God or eternally in hell.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Okay, of living.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
The quality of living, all right, And that's that's one.
That's the immortality. The other is that we are creative,
all right, just on this show, all right, We're allowed
to be creative in how we present historical material. As
a preacher, I am creative. I do not have to

(06:24):
deliver a sermon the way other preachers delivered them, all right.
And even when I look in the Bible, Jesus preached
different than than Peter Peter preached different than Paul, you know,
et cetera. So you know, we we don't have to
you know, the Western way Gutenberg's. Gutenberg's homolytics say we

(06:45):
have to deliver it in a certain kind of way,
and that's not true. So we are creative, all right.
And we are trichotomists in nature.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
That is.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Down that God is, God is the god Head, the coraterrinity, God,
the Father, God, the Son God, the Holy Spirit. We
are trichotomist also body, soul and spirit, all right, okay.
And so with that, okay, when we when we have
go to the African concept of self, then we begin

(07:17):
to break that down into tribal, which which is ancestral, social,
which is relational, personal, which is mind, physical which is
a body that is driven.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
By the soul, which is spiritual. And so.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
The in the African thought, it must be understood that
the person is composed of the spiritual core, the soul,
a physical body, a personal mind, and a social self
and a tribal or ancestral self. And in that we
have things, uh now things, we have cultural traits, character, personality, diet, okay, uh,

(08:15):
personal expressions that are passed down genetically all right through
our DNA, and we have we were we were involved,
that were we were involved in being human beings long
before the Western world came along. And and we we

(08:41):
we don't we don't look at that, okay, because our
educational experience has been limited to the Western mindset. If
we do, okay, however, we don't understand that education, all

(09:03):
all systems, especially education okay, are out of out of
the Eastern world. And and so that has been manipulated, dominated, twisted,
used as a tool to suppress, oh press and and

(09:26):
dominate a people according to their their economic needs. If
that makes sense, Okay, we must walk in the light
of the African of Asian Africa, which is the spawner

(09:52):
of your Abrahamic religions. Oh and when we talk about
the soul, all right, in the African concept, we're not
talking about from a from a religious or institutional concept.

(10:16):
When when Africans speak of of of self, it is
a scientific entity which is as evident as it is
light when you say sun, or or wet when you
see water. Different scientists may have varying theories about composition

(10:38):
and origins of light and witness, but only a fool
would deny that their self evidence is not present. So
it is with the soul when one thinks of the self.
From the African perspective, this tells us that we are

(10:59):
not simply animal more creatures, but our mental and moral
that have But we have a mental and moral capabilities.
And so that kind of shifts gears for a moment.
Then I go to John Henry's Clark Hendrick John Hendrick
Clark Restoring the African Mind. Okay, which part of that

(11:21):
educational process states that we must develop a plan, a
system in an organization and come away from their table
trying to fix what ain't broken. No, it's not broken.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
The way they no.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
See, this is what we must understand. The system is ours.
They have taken and utilized it and twisted and made it.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
A tool to oppress us.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
So what we must do is go back and take
an unto the system right and begin to make use
of it for ourselves. Yes, rather than trying to fix
the twisted way that they have fixed it to work
for them. You know, I hope I'm making sense in this.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
No, it's the same things that they do over and over.
We've spoke on cycles earlier, and that is one of
their primary cycles, to disrupt, to abduct, to recycle what
it is that they have witness within that culture.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
And revise exactly yes yea, and.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
What they can't then they take and cover up a hide,
all right, to try to keep for others from finding
and using it for their benefit.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Up precisely, we we we we we we are higher
formed animals with a mental and moral capacity.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
The African approach tells us that in order to appreciate
the core what we are, we must begin by understanding
the universe as a divine creation and to see ourselves
as part of a divine drama. This approach looks at

(13:38):
the human being from the inside out, rather than from
the Western approach that has studied the human being from
the outside in or just on the basis of what
is manifested on the outside or the observable parts of.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
A human being.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
For instance, we come together every week, but we never
see one another.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I've never seen Uni. You've never seen.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Rabbi break it down, break it down.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
You see the tint or the physical edifice that we
come in, but we never really see one another.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, you see what I allow you to see, or
you may catch me slipping no.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
No, no, no, no, no, no no. I have never and
I cannot. I don't have the capacity at this level
to see Uni.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh okay, you mean like astral projection. No, but that's real.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Okay, I see the physical tint that you have borrowed
the house UNI in.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yes, okay, yes, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think one of the exercises we had in school
was green at green Green when I was in college,
green and red. That that that book there is green
that that you have there on the near side of
the desk. But what do you see as green? And
what am I seeing as green? Do we see the

(15:16):
same thing as green? This is red? We both agree
that this is red, all right, but what are we
actually seeing that is red or that is actually green? Perspectives,
So a color blind person, okay, is seeing what you
see is red, but see green? Okay, So we cannot

(15:39):
agree on that, Yeah, okay, but we really can't see
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All right, people, you're back here with Black thought. Everything
was changed to inform, to inspire, and to impact on
w O v U ninety five point nine f M.
This is the Ryebi along with the Black Unicorn. And
we're kind of going through Naim k ours book Know Thyself.
We're in chapter two, uh, and we're talking about knowing
the self and the definition of self from a from

(20:47):
an afrocentric context. And you know, again, the Western world
looks at at at the human being from the outside
in and from the concept that Naim and the African
thought is that we should be looking from the inside out.

(21:12):
The Western objective of science only describes the outer expression
of things, and though it may describe these processes well,
it can never answer the question of why and where
human life is going until it understands the invisible plan.
And God says in Jeremiah twenty nine, I.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Have a plan for you, you know, okay.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
And not to harm you, but to prosper you. And
so when we begin to operate in that context, and
again here we go. This is an African concept, Christianity,
Judaism and Islam I'm not Western religions. Hello, there are

(21:58):
no Western religions. And people need to understand this, all right.
Jesus says, I am the light of the yashuwa, I
am the light of the world, all right. And so
we're talking about walking in light, okay, and walking in
his plan. This is why science of the African world

(22:24):
has always been a religious science, not the purpose of
creating a dogma in pursuit of knowledge, but about spiritual
and moral laws rather than just the metaphor of their
expression and the physical domain.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
This idea that the.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Core of self is the soul requires that the education
must address the spiritual and moral essence of the human being.
And remember when doctor Borishia Day was here, that was
one of the things that uh.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Drum tried to dump it in our entire head.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Is that we must restore, we must recapture the moral
structure of the human being. And we want to do
more and more and more to move away from it
and use self medications okay, uh.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Alcohol h.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Uh, prescribed prescriptions yes, yes, marijuana, yes, cocaine, heroin okay,
all those things all right.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yes, sir. They give you to choose to show yourself.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
And to move away from your moral core.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes, yes, even sex, okay.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
And and you know.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
So many people operating out their roots chakra so heavily.
Is sad, Absolutely so sad. And then you're you're doing
it with empty, empty objectives. You're not even harnessing that
sexual energy to get something done. You're just flawing your
energy all around and just sucking yourself dry for no reason.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Absolutely, absolutely, this idea that the core of self is
the soul requires that education must address the spiritual and
moral essence of the human being. The idea of sacred
and secular being separate worlds that should stay away from
each other would never make sense in the African understanding.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
The other would never make sense.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
In the African understanding of education. The debate regarding the
separation of church and state in Western educational system could
only occur in a worldview that accepts the core of
the human being as being something other than spiritual. When

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the concept of spirituality is reduced to dogma or church, cyner, good, mosque,
or doctrine, then the issue of separation of church and
state is a necessary debate. But in the American constitutions, so.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
That the church.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Can be the limiting and moral voice to government, and
that government cannot interfere with the church so that it
cannot steal or silence the voice of it, the moral
voice of the church, all right, And so they have
tried to use it in the reverse, all right. Then

(25:44):
try to say the church has nothing to say but
what goes on the state, and just as the oppice,
it's very opposite. And what had happened. We allowed a
president like we're doing now to to issue executive orders
to silence the church, which was unconstitutional, all right. And

(26:08):
then Trump, unfortunately it was Trump, was the one who
took and removed that executive order in twenty seventeen under
his first administration. So the church has regained its moral
voice now to speak too, all right. The state in
terms of being limited, all right, in its reach and

(26:31):
its powers.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I don't understand how not only did we allow that
incident in twenty seventeen, that unconstitutional incident occurred.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
In sixty nine because people didn't know.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
And that's why I say, people, we need when you
need to detached, detached. I'm not saying, you know, stay
in the loop twenty four to seven, you know, three,
season five all the time, No one's going to be
able to handle that. But you have to stay up
to date and inform because there are new memorandums coming
down each and every day.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
And part of the reason they want to destroy eliminate
the Department of Education is because people are beginning to
read more and more, even people who don't look like us,
and beginning to understand what's going on. And so they
want to take us back into the dark ages, all right,
so that they can take and take and rule again it. Now,

(27:36):
if you go to Chancellor Williams book Okay, the Destruction
of Black Civilization, Great Issues of Raised from forty five
hundred BC to two thousand AD, all right, you have
the principles of ancient African constitution law and the influential

(28:02):
rights of the African people, which come under for the
most part.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Natural law. All right.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
And also Jefferson used much of this to pin the
Constitution of the United States. And that's another reason why
they're coming up with the constitutional crisis, because they're beginning
to find out that the Constitution of the United States

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is of African origin.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, And like everything else, I'll just
worry like this, Like everything else, they would like to
just whitewash it and you know, represent it like its
original piece of work, and it never is.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Government of the people, for the people, by the people.
Right will listen to Number one. The people are the
first and final source of all power.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Government of other people, for the people, by the people.
All right.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
The rights of the community of people are and a
right ought to be superior to those of any individual,
including chiefs kings. The will of the people is a
supreme law. The chiefs and kings are under the law,

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not above. It sounds much like something coming, okay.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Number Three.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Kings, chiefs, and elders are leaders, not rulers. They are
the elected representatives of the people and their instruments for
executing the people's will.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
All right. For a government and people are one and
the same.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Five. The familyly is recognized as the primary social, judicial, economic,
and political unity in the society. The family Council may
function as a court and power to try all internal
none serious matters involving only members of the extended family group.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Six.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
The elder of each extended family or clan is the
chosen representative of the council.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Seven.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Decisions in council are made by the elders. The chief
or king must remain silent even when the council decisions
is announced. It is through a speaker. Linguist decrees or
laws are issued in the same manner to assure that

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the voice of the chief or king is the voice
of the people.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Don't want to.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Belabor that because there's twenty one of these.

Speaker 9 (31:12):
But I want to go to the rights. I want
to go over to the rights. The right to equal
protection of the law, the right to a home, the
right to land sufficient for earning livelihood for oneself and family.
The right to aid in times of trouble, the right
to petition for redress or grievances. The right to criticize

(31:36):
and condemn any acts by the authorities or proposed new law.
The right to reject the community's final decision on any matter,
to withdraw from the community unmolested, the right of rebellion
and withdraw The right to fair trial. This must be

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no punishment greater than the or finds beyond the.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Ability to pay.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
This latter is determined by the income and status of
the individual in this family. The right to indemnity for
injuries or laws caused by others. The right to family
or community care in case of sickness or accidents, the
right of special aid from the chief and circumstantis beyond

(32:25):
the family's ability. Again, this goes to about twenty other rights.
And so we when we look at these kinds of
things that bring us under not only constitutional law, all right,
but also natural law.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
People don't take natural law into consideration anymore, though.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Well it doesn't mean that they shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Well, have the right to human dignity all right, as
human beings.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yes, yes, divinely given and to me like that's that's
the key word in that statement. Divine, divinely given.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
So how divinely assigned rather than given?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
No sign? Okay, okay, divinely assigned. So this is assigned
to us all, Yes, divinely. So who is one person
or another to say, hey, na, let's say for y'alltist
for me?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well, those who get the upper hand and by force.
Remember now we have slave makers who do things by
force and violence, all right, and okay, over and against
slave the slave makers. We're going to come back to
this after this moment. You have been listening to black thought.
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All right, people, you're back here with black thought.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Everything was changed to inform, to inspire and to impact
on WOVU ninety five point nine f M. Again, this
is the Rabbi in the Black Unicorn, and we're talking
about name La Barr's book Know Thyself, Know Thyself, UH.

(38:06):
And we're in the UH the chapter two which challenges
us to UH to UH understand the definition of self
and we we we left off here. From the western
point of view, the interpretation of self or the natural
world from the spiritual point of view is either viewed

(38:30):
as being within the domain of religion at the best,
or just superstitions or bad science at the worst. When
African scientists, such as traditional healers of the science of
the scientists or the of the ancient kymic our study,

(38:52):
they dismiss as either being superstitious or confused about the
true ways of science. The condemnation of African science is
done despite the evidence of superior accomplishments in the construction
and techniques of African scientists. For example, the repeated efforts

(39:16):
to duplicate the construction of the Pyramids using Western principles
of science have not proved proven successful efforts to explain
forms of healing which come from African traditional medicines are
increasingly being co opted, but still not acknowledged as having

(39:41):
a basis unavailable to Western science. And we talked about
some of that this morning. Okay, the difference in Western
and African science has been discussed in two of my
earlier publications, he said, the Natural Psychology and Human Transformation.
And they also ENLiGHT from ancient Africa as an educational

(40:06):
system based on self knowledge of the African people must
help the student to understand themselves as spiritual creatures with
a divinely given will, which will help them to master
their physical and essential selves. And now see we've been
talking that we ain't nothing. We ain't got nothing, you

(40:28):
know unless we do ABC d JL.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
All right, don't be nothing. Seen mamas talk down on
their children so many times. Oh he ain't no good
for nothing, he can't do nothing. Don't worry about him,
all because they don't want them to be sold. But
that they didn't know that. The children didn't know that.
They just saw what they saw, heard what they heard.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
And calling their daughters mothers, calling their daughter's bees.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Ah, you know, and you know I mean, come on,
you know, and so so then when you kind of
program people to act in these kinds of ways, all right,
rather than to but then you have people, all right,
who again we go back to these and it keeps

(41:14):
coming back, It keeps coming.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Back to this.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Either there skillfully irresponsible or willfully irresponsible. Skillfully irresponsible says
that they have not been taught they don't know how
to be responsible in terms of human relationships apparent to
child relationships, or they're willfully irresponsible. They choose to be

(41:40):
irresponsible because to be responsible means that they have to
give up being a victim.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Prime example. I attended the first session of the ATM,
the All Things Money Phoebe Foundation Financial Workshop. You know
why I did that, Rabbi, because I refuse to be
wilful anything. Okay, you know, I thought I knew money,

(42:04):
but then I realized I actually don't. I thought I
knew how to save. I realized I don't. I thought
I knew, you know, in depths, what type of different
accounts I can get in the difference between the I
R and a CD. I did, but not to the
depths that I needed to And what type of RA
will be right for me. And these are things that

(42:25):
we have to educate ourselves on so we can educate
our children so they can be in a better position
than we were when we started off, when we went
into this world.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
And with that, what we'll see what we don't do
is attached the moral responsibility to it.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Okay, do you think that's because the church isn't as prevalent.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I think the church many I'll say that many churches
are more about.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Having a good time then converting people.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Ooh, talk about it. Let's let's talk about it. What
does that look like? Does does that look like? Fish
fries every Friday? And bingo?

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Know that that means you know, that means devising sermons
to tickle the fancy and get people to say a
man and shout and feel good, rather than convict some
of the negative behavior and call them to repentance.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Pastors, I have noticed a lot of them are scared
to call their congregations behavior out. But that's what you're
there for.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Like if I get mad at my therapist, right, I
get mad at my therapists because she's doing her job.
He's giving me accountable.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
You're supposed to get mad, yes, So.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Who am I to limit a pastor's sermon in any way,
shape or form.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Well, it's not that you limit, it's that that the
pastor wanted to be quote unquote acceptable and known as
a great, a good preacher.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, And they're placing those limitations on themselves instead of
keeping people accountable and gospel that they.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Need, right, taking waters down and teaching and and and
and tell people what what they want them to hear
rather than what they need them to hear.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
How was that saving my soul?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Okay, even but even even this is what I'm trying,
even at saving your soul once you hear the gospel
and save there is some pastoral preaching that should be taught.
I love my pastor with Sterling Glover because he made
me grow every week.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
He made me look at myself every week, all right,
and he and he he called me to action through
the world of God, all right, to improve where I was.
And when you're a Christian, you should not you should
not be next week, You should not be where you.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Was last week.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yes, forever evolution.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Right, because it's a process. It's a process of being
saved and being saved okay, all right, all right, So
it's a process of growth, and you're moving from level
to level. It's called growing into spiritual maturity.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
All right.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
When I got here at a quarter to nine, a
quarter to ten this morning, all right, it's quarter to ten,
it's now quarter to quarter to two. All right, I'm
four hours older.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Than I was, and you will never be this age again.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Right.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
And I have some knowledge that I didn't have what
I came to do. I have a knowledge of what
you have on to day. I had a knowledge of
what Danny had on okay, and the information she passed
on okay. I even have the knowledge of what we've
been reading.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Okay. So I'm a.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Different person than when we started to show it one o'clock.
So it is a process of always becoming. I have
a knowledge of what this day is going to be
like right this morning, they like it was this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
So I'm in the process.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Any other place, it's it's always a constant process of becoming. Yes, yes,
And God is not in terms of as a human being,
God is not through with me yet.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I'm a process of work.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm work in progress.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I think I was twenty eight when I realized that,
you know, evolution is ever going. Yeah, because you know,
you know, you heal a little bit, you think you
you know, you pat yourself on the back, you're thanking God.
You feel it good about yourself. And if somebody come
along and trigger you in some type of way, shape
or form, and you're like, oh, just the way I

(46:58):
want to react, I haven't grown up as much as
I thought I have. So it is a forever evolution
mm hm. Yes, And it's important to a.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Constant, constant process of becoming.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yes, And that grace that is placed upon yourself, you
have to put it there otherwise you're just going to
be mean to yourself who wants to be.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
And not preaching. But it does not yet appear. But
I shall be. But when I see him, then.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I shall be.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
When I see him face to face, then I will
be just like you know, all right, And even at
that level, I think that even there, it is still
a process of becoming. And so, uh, we want to
kind of wrap this up. I think this is very

(47:55):
fascinating that we should understand the moral responsibility that we
have an educational system based on self knowledge of African
people must help the student to understand themselves as spiritual

(48:16):
creatures with a divinely given will, which will help them
master their physical and mental selves. They must understand that
creativity that has been given to them and their power
to conceive, believe, and make things be. They must understand
the power of the mind as a divine gift that

(48:39):
is not just the instrument for data processing, but a
center for divine presence within the human being. All right,
and so we must we must understand the creativity ability
to search for personal identity because I'm allowed to be creative.

(49:05):
I had a pastor who's deceased now.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
He said, goldsting.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
He said, you always look good, he said, and and
but your.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Stuff never matches.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Uh and uh and he said.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
And it always looks good on you, he said.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
But the stuff that I would never wear, but he would,
he'd have on a blue suit, you know, with a
blue shirt, a blue tie, blue socks, blue shoe. You
know that kind of stuff. You know, almost yes, beautiful, yes, right, okay,
And so but I had I had the creativity of

(49:46):
putting See what people you can do? What nature does?
If I'm making sense, all right? Uh, you got you
got tulips, daffodeals, crocuses, hyacinths blooming. Now you have green
plants with purple red, yellow, pink blue flowers. Well, if

(50:10):
a green plant can produce colored flowers, well you can
put those colors together an outfit.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
People don't think like that.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
We we look for the symmetry of the uniform uniformality
human brains.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
It can comprehend, and how it even downloads.

Speaker 14 (50:37):
Look at the thousands and thousands and thousands of varieties
of flowers that God has created, and He has created
us in his image and given us the same creativity
that we can do it in other expressions.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Absolutely, how people have crossbred marijuana strains. We have new
flower baby.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Now here, you're going to be immoral again.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
See the programming. That's why we are here.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
To unprogrammed, you know, not that much.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
There must be a moral basis, all right, and so
uh as we we as we move forward, uh and
and as people now, uh, those are in power of
dismantling the Department of Education.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Many people think that's a bad thing. Yeah, I have.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I have heard many mixed reviews. Some people are super
against it, some people are super for it. It's quite interesting.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Well, I'm for it because now it gives me an
opportunity to reshape my educational system, all right, and build it,
you know, for my particular needs and to develop my system,
all right, and and to and where uh, the secular
educational system deals with the science and the secul reality

(52:03):
of it. I can now take and reconstruct and deal
with the spirituality of legit okay, and the moral and
building a moral fiber into what our religious or spiritual
expression becomes.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah. I think our education for our youth could look
totally different in ten years, depending on what we do
in this time and how we go about it. For example, say, hey,
this goes through and I take advantage of this twelve hundred,
I hire a teacher to homeschool my kid instead of
sending her to the public school system. Now we have

(52:44):
a kid co op where the same teacher is teaching
my friends' kids as well. Now we have a school.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
That's how things grow. And that's why it's important to
get involved with co ops, to get involved with your neighbors.
We have to dismiss this mistrust we have within our
community and understand that we have to work together, okay
in these times. So again, these can look totally different.
And like you're saying, Rabbi in ten years, we can

(53:13):
have a school for our kids that are that is
connecting education and the spirit. Yes, and that's why I'm like,
we're complaining about a school systems Now, we never liked
me and this man who we've never liked this system,
So why are we upset about it when this is
given us a blank slate to do what it is
that we truly believe is right for our.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Children, and we know that it's never really served us exactly. Okay,
But I think the thing about it is that we
are afraid that we're gonna have to pay for So
it's that.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
And I think it's it's afraid of work that will
come with it, like it's gonna come with it.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I think it's the cost.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
I think it's called we you know, public education has
been free all way to.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Do with sin them.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah, all right, now.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
We may see. Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
It was free, but it was costly. Yeah, it was costly.
We have children, we have adults who can't write, We
have can't read, they can't do can't write cursive, can't
do math on a fourth grade level, and in some
communities ninety five percent. So it is costly in terms

(54:28):
of producing viable and productive people to some degree.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
All right.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
I'm not saying that they are absolutely useless, but they
are handicapped.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, okay, and have been for years. Was this the
first year that CMSD even came close to passing? Yes,
their evaluation. Yes, and still you know they passed in
what was it one area of failed the others?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah? Well what what? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
But what happened, what has what has happened was that
under that the old administration that went out, Okay, that
administration came up with a scheme to raise the numbers,
but not the quality of education. All right, So you

(55:17):
had people who were allowed to graduate because of their
presence and not because of academic achievement.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
I'm curious to know on our way out the last
few minutes that we have, Rabbi, how do you feel
about these unproposed AMSD cuts and proposed reconfiguration of schedules.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
There's some things I can do at home in their
own community. I can do in my church regardless of
what they do.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
And that's what we're talking about here. Yes, like I said,
I think people scared.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Of the work.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
They don't want to spend the money they came by
to marijuana, all right of the Hennessy. Jack Daniels said.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
That, okay, it's destroy yourself.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Well, they can't set it out for Memorial Day or
since in July.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
See, they can't set it out.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I heard set it out. I thought something totally right, Rabbi,
we want to go somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Listen, I'm from the streets, all right, I'm not unfamiliar
for sure. All right, all right, people, listen, we're gonna
wrap this thing up. And well we only got about
two minutes.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
You need close us.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Each day presents its own gifts, so remember look around
to be able to see him, all right.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
And I will drink from my part of the river,
and no one shall keep me from it. And until
next time, this is the Rabbi, along with the black Unicorn,
bringing you black thought. Everything must change from w O
v U ninety five point nine FM, and until then,
Shalom habba
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