October 27, 2025 • 55 mins
This episode of Black Thought celebrates community milestones and explores love and relationships. The hosts discuss marriage, spiritual growth, love languages, and the difference between infatuation and true love, emphasizing commitment, understanding, and defining freedom within relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is WOVU Studios.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good afternoon people. You're now listening to Black Thought. Everything
must change on Wovhu ninety five point nine FN. We
are here to inform, to inspire and to impact. This
is the Rabbi along with the Black Unicorn, bringing you
today's conversation. And we want to before we jump into
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a uni couple of things I forgot to share with you. Thursday,
we were with Sean Maddox Yes and Vicki Maddocks a
three sixty barbershop. They were honored as the business people
of the Year in May Fall Heights. Sean does a
fantastic job and each August he opens his shop up.
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He gives free haircuts. His daughters they do. They have
the salon portion. It's the salon barber shop. He and
his wife cut hair, the daughters do hair. They have
a nao shop and I think tattoos. They open the
shop up and give free hairdooes and haircuts along with barbecue, burgers,
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hot dogs, loaded book bags. I mean, he's been doing
it for several years and it's free, okay for kids
going back to school. So we want to congratulate Sean
and Vicki Maddox at three sixty barbershop and then on
this Sunday at five point thirty, Guy, I know Ben Goldston,
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they call him the Rabbi, along with Missus Goldston will
be honored on the Circle of Life This is your
Life on w e RI at five thirty to seven.
You can call the radio station I think up until
tomorrow afternoon if you want to do a pre recording salutation,
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or you can call in at five thirty from five
thirty to six forty five on Sunday afternoon September twenty eighth,
and also Friday. All right, September twenty six, Mssus Goldstein
and I will be celebrating thirty three years of marriage.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
O Googress All right, Yeah to you both.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
First of all, I'm definitely both super deserving of the
recognition you will be receiving this Sunday again from five
point thirty to six forty five pm.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Do you have that number of people can call in and.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Give you if you keep talking to you.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah. Like I said, y'all are both definitely super deserving,
not only for your community work, your civic engagement work,
all the work that you have both both have put in.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Boosts on ground.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
We always talk about Bootston on ground and you two
are walking embodiesment of that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And then like to just celebrate thirty sothday, y'all many year.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Thirty one, thirty three is such a blessing, you know.
I was just having a conversation with my friend about relationships,
and he was saying how all the men around him
are miserable and the women are happy, talking about married couples,
and I was explaining to him all the couples that
I see, the women are miserable and the men are
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just happy and living spectacular lives.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And I'm just it's just.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So funny to me what you can see in your
immediate surroundings versus what someone else can be surrounded with
and what they see and what molds their opinion on
certain things. So I am curious to know now that
you have been married, this is your second marriage, you've
been married for thirty three years. Now, what is your
opinion on marriage? How do you feel about it and
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and your union with your wife?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Not to get too intimate or deptails.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't know. I don't have I was married before
twenty years, Okay. I feel that marriage, marriage is a
and I.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Want to highlight that as well, because it's important that
you had two long term, decades long marriages, and not
a lot of people can say that, which is why
I want to know your your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Marriage. Marriage. Doctor M Scott Peck in his book of
the Road Let's Travel talks about love. Oh God. John
Powell has two books, Unconditional Love and Why Am I
Afraid to Love? And all of this comes out. Love
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is a commitment to do the work of attention for
the other person's spiritual growth and benefit. And so when
you learn to give, and then biblically first Corinth and thirteen,
you know, love is not demanding. It's a it's a
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process of giving, all right, you can't you you cannot
love without giving. Okay, you can give without loving, but
you cannot love without giving. So it's giving of yourself
without any expectations of anything to return. Okay, we're talking
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about the principle of love now, Okay, But then we
have to turn around and give ourselves permission to be human. Okay,
and so I wanted to be loved okay, okay, and
so and then when we understand what the process of
the male female relationship is okay, What does a woman
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really need and want from a man?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Security?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Love and security? Yes, to be protected emotionally, psychologically, physically,
all right, yes, okay. What does a man.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Want to be loved?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
No? No, no, no no no. He wants to be respected,
all right, and and utilized, made use of, not used,
but made use of as the night and shining almah. Okay,
when we understand those okay, Now that comes in a package,
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another package called the five Languages a love? Yes, all right,
So then what do you need all right to feel loved? Okay?
And what do you need to give to express your.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Love that's important to understand about yourself?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, the Five Languages loved by Gary Smalley.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And so when you win, So when we take and
begin to put this to salad together, if you will, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I like the analogy.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, then then then then then you got something to
work and you don't love because and counseling. When I
count counsel couples before I marry them, I asked you, well,
why do you love this person? And they give me
this list, you know, they sit down, and I said, well,
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if if he or she stops doing this where you
still love him. Well no, well you know then, well
then so we confuse being and like with a person
rather than being in love. So, now, if you stop
doing the things that I like and I love you,
I'm gonna still go be with you. If that makes sense?
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Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Have you actually experienced that?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Sure? Okay, my wife, my wife, My wife is thirty
three years older, all right, there was yes, huh, she's
thirty three years older than what she used to be
when we married. Okay, I'm thirty three years older than
what I used to be, and so there's something about
the what you know, the looks have changed. She was
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a size TM then I gonna tell her now she'll
kill me. All right. I was a size forty. I
went up to forty six. Now I'm back down a
little forty two. Okay. I didn't have gray I had
gray beard, but I had no gray hair. I had hair,
all right. Okay, so you know, but see the things
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that that she liked, all right, that attracted me to
her are no longer. But we're still still together. I
hope I'm making sense.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, it makes you're making sense.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I think for me, those are the things I liked.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, those things, those things are only changed. Those are
the things she liked. Okay, those things are gone, they're changed.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I get it. I just don't want to accept it.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
You know why.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mind.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I'll be honest with you. I'll be completely transparent with you.
I don't want I don't feel like.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I have to accept things that I don't like.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yes, you do, why though, you do? But why how?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Because you just can't live that way, the way just
to have to be have your way all the time,
what you like and what you like own.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So that sounds very like spoiled and greedy. Yes, right, okay, Okay,
I can acknowledge that. I could take that.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I take that. Okay, you just I mean you just
you know, what food do you like?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Mexican everything?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But the food that you don't like that you do eat, Okay,
I say, okay, So all right, So same thing. All
of us are flawed. Okay. So what you do is
you find someone where you're willing to make the adjustment
to live with their flaws, and that person does the
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same thing. They have to make the You're just as
flawed as I am, And so for him to live
with you, he's giving he has had to make the
adjustment to live with your flaws.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And that's something I have to constantly.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, it's a batter of not changing, but adjusting. My
wife just this is something. A bottle, a big bottle
of dawn, okay, dish soap lasts us about two days, okay, yes, yes,
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because she likes to wash dishes, she runs the waters
you're here right, all right, rather than making dish water, okay,
and usually maybe a tea spoon or a tablespoon pull okay,
where that bottle would last month maybe two months, you know, Okay, yes,
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but that's the way. Okay, Yeah, that's little, but ah,
it's normally the little the sorrow grapes, all right, the
spoil the vine.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Can I ask you a personal question or error?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
What happened with you and your first wife?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
There was a sense of overdependency on her.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Over dependent like emotionally finance period period. Do you feel
like it was a codependency at some point and you
grew out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I haven't thought about it that way, but that that
could be a way of expressing it. Yes, okay, but
it was to the point just just uh that she
had a job and on the job. She when she
got to the job, she had to open the safe.
I had to go to the job with her and
open the safe. Yeah that's job.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Oh you living for two at that point kind of
sort of yes.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Okay, and that can get very short, really, okay, I see, okay, all.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Right, okay, So you know it's it's it's uh what
we we we when we learn when we look all
of us, see we we have we have multiple flaws.
I don't have just one. She don't have just one. Okay, uh,
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but you know, but the example I gave is how
we have to go to another one. Uh. When we
would talk when we're first the first couple of years,
we butted heads. Okay, but I felt that the marriage,
this marriage should be show enough because she's a counselor,
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I'm a counselor. We're both educated. You know, da d
d D da dada. Okay, So I no, we butted heads.
Come to find out, my wife is a detailed person. Okay.
And if you don't give her a lot of details,
she's got problems. She's talking to me and I'm sitting here.
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I got this a half hour ago. And you still talking.
You must think I'm stupid. I got a degree just
like you do, okay. And so we found out. So
what happened. We ended up the Levin College of Urban Affairs.
She went into that, she took their leadership pro the
Leadership Institute of the Levan College of Urban Affairs. And
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I'm ready for the fight, okay, you know. And she
comes home and that there are four languages we speak, dominant, tertiary, auxiliary,
and inferior. Okay. And so I would get up in
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the morning. And I'm not exaggerating at all. This is
this is this is. I mean, I would get up
in the morning say good morning, and I would get
balled out. Don't say good morning to me. You don't
mean it. You're trying to intimidate me. All I said
was good morning, okay. But for her, okay, say good
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morning to her. I was speaking from my dominant, speaking
to her inferior. So I don't say good morning anymore, right,
I speak, But hey, baby, let's go along. How you feeling,
you know, I use my tertiary on my what's up?
My auxiliary and.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Learning each other's like actual languages and communication styles just
as important as a languages.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Absolutely, did you love languages? Did you look it up?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Did you look up the five words of affirmation?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Okay, quality time, receiving gifts, acts of survey yes okay,
and physical touch touch yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
And they have tests for these things. People.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
If you want to get to know yourself better, if
you and your partner want to get to know each
other better, take the test together.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Read the book together if you are trying to.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
If you can o right. But sometimes it takes for
you to be alone to read it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, and okay, yeah, sometimes it does take your partner
seeing you take the step towards something for them to
take the step.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And that's what happened. She took the leadership course. So
when she came home, we're not butting heads any because
I'm ready for the because I know she got some
more ammunition now to shoot at me. And it didn't happen.
And now I said, what's going on? So then we
sit down that Sunday afternoon and we talked about it.
I said, oh, okay. So then she suggested they're not
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go and take the course, and so the next class, okay,
I took it, and then I began to find these
things out, and I said, oh, this is what's going on.
Things like another little point. You go tell your daughter.
You know she's not to do that no more. Okay, no,
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uh uh okay. If I have an issue with your daughter,
don't allow me to make you the middle man.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Don't allow you to make don't allow.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Me to make you the middle man. I have to
go to your daughter until I have a problem. Don't
do that anymore. Okay, all right, see, go ahead, go on.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I believe in that.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm very I told you in the morning how I
grew up, and as long as it's done in a
respectful manner, I believe that should be done.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We didn't. We didn't. We didn't have Sometimes you don't
have that kind of upbringing. Fortunately you did, okay, And
so many times I remember we would hey man, well
I like that girl. Let me in those kinds of situations.
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And so sometimes we have to have our attention drawn
to that issue, all right, for us to realize that
we have been trying to put other people, or with
a lot of other people, to put us in the position. Okay,
I have a lady and where we live who uh
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does not like her, she can't stand her pastor. Okay,
And she comes to me and I listen. I said, well, okay,
well now you need to go tell your pastor. But
I think what she was doing was hoping I would
go and say something, well, won't you go talk to him? No,
that's not my play. I don't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
People are very indirect these days.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I feel like emails have ruined people's brains to a
certain extent.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't think it's so much email.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
That was a joke, but the email, but the text
it conflict. People really cannot and when you hear conflict,
they automatically go to this aggressive state of mind.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And we can do it. It's just a difference.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
We can do it and not have immediate repercussions if
we end up. If we're talking, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
The twitter figures, start the tweeting, Yeah right, okay, email,
let's start the emailing. You're a smart aunt.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I was. We're out to dinner with my great granddaughter's
mother and she and somebody was having the conflict. She
spent the whole time we were there texting in this argument,
you know. And I finally said, listen, you don't let
nobody push if I can push your button, I'm not
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in control of you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yes, yes, yes. I had to.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Have a conversation with my people's not too long ago,
and I had to explain, when you've been through the storm,
when you've seen the eye and survived, you don't want
to go back into the eye.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I was in Saint Louis visiting my cousin. We had
an after hour. The girl, he's hating.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I'm still doing my things, dancing, moving job, righting off
all over that place like it's wine.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
They hating even more.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Next thing I know, I'm getting bow guarded. Bow guards
mean that she took her elbow while she was walking
by and boot me, righting my elbow slash like upper
arm area because she was tall like me. I don't care,
because baby, I'm never gonna see you again.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'm going home.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Or But I had two choices in that moment. I
could have responded.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I could have went off. I could have fucked out
young lady nine times out of ten. She had ten
other young ladies with her that was all from Saint Louis,
and I would have ended up somewhere else and not
on my way back.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
To Cleveland that night.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You have choices and responses.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
That even when people physically assault you, you still have choices.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It is up to you how you respond.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
When people violate your space. Yes, yes, now that do
with me. Now that's a different story, depending on again,
depending on circlestances.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I saw the people she was with. I've been jumped befolks.
Like I said, I've seen the eye of storm. I
was not interested in seeing it again.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I was I needed to make it home.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
How you know, we we we we we. Marriage is
a constant process of adjusting.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Can I ask you a question, another question when it
comes to your first marriage. I know I got a
lot of questions about your first marriage. I'm sorry, but
I'm curious to know, at any point before you all divorced,
did you try to I hate to say, I'm trying
to think of another word than like retrain, or like
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rebuild or or re establish her independence?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Boom, there it is.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, okay, but it was resistant.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So she wasn't trying to do it.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
She rather had divorce than a stab where we established
her own independence.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yes, that's tragic.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And so it took the children right then, Okay, it
took the children then to take and kind of lead
her out of it. Okay, where I had to move on. No,
it wasn't I had to move on. It was a
matter of where as long as I was there, that
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dependency would have remained.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, you know I asked you that, right, Okay, No,
I don't Okay, let's talk about Okay, all right, you
got a beautiful book in front of end.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Okay, Yes, I want to go back to something we
were doing last week that I'm looking at it through
new lenses, or we're going back into Breaking the Curse
of Willie Lynch by Alvin Morrow, and I want to
go back to page of sixty six. The last four
hundred and sixty years of black reality has been masked
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and defined by laymen, religious circles, and social scientists who
are all well aware that ultimate deception could be masked
through the shaping of the slave minds perception of reality,
while at the same time distorting the true meaning of
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the keywords necessarily for the children of the once bound
slaves to ever liberate their own minds. So we've been domesticated,
We've been we have been or what is it indoctrinated? Yes,
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and doctrinated. Okay, but this is one of the things
that we must realize, and I think this is I'm
going to try to see maybe if I can take
get in touch with Morrow and do something further with this. Okay.
The true power is based on a people's ability to
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initiate a plan of constructive action based on their own definitions.
We must begin to define ourselves, change the narrative. I
keep saying. Nobody is hearing me. I keep saying, people
will not understand this. There is only one race on
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the face of the earth. That's the human race. As
long as you're trying to fight racism is a fight
you cannot win. Racism is not a biological, philosophical, or
social construct. And when we get that through our heads
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and come up with our own definition, okay, and our
own reality, which we'll get to, it does not matter
what the predominant largest social norms are due to the
fact that we are another people already defined by our
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own reality. This reality is based upon a completely different standard,
defined by those who determine that black people were different
from those of the European descent. Today, more than ever before,
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black men and women in America must redefine the one
word that has been given to us by those who
are not defined, but took it away from us. And
I'm sorry, let me do that again, Oh let me.
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We'll go back here today, more than ever before, Black
men and women in America must redefine the one word
that has been given to us by those who not
only defined but took it away from us. That word
is freedom, and freedom to some does not mean freedom
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to all. Freedom of mobility, choice of employment, choice of relationships,
and choice of residents all sound wonderful, But what constructive
use are they if at the core of our understanding
of freedom is one that only reflects or mimics another
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culture's definition. So we must plan, organize, develop, instrument our
own narrative, our own definitions, and allow no one outside
of ourselves all right to take it redefined for us.
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And when we do that, we go back to doing
that and be that for ourselves. I think we will
begin to move forward as we should. Never before on
the pages of history has another nationality been so completely
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consumed by another culture's ways. Then he goes on to say,
my question to you is that, even after being one
hundred and forty years free from change, why are we
as a collective so fragmented? Why are we all call
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up rather than banish the trains we're taken and polishing
the chains hmm literally mm hm literally mmmm.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
The thick change you were. I'm just saying they used
to put them thick changs on slaves for a reason.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Mm hmm. The answer is simple. One nation has defined
for another nations it's position, and that one nation being
black people who have accepted their assigned position based on
what was defined for them, not by them, of them, Hello.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
For them, for them, given to them.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Given to them, and they accept it right now, I
mean now now, they're extenuating circumstances like the the act
of rewarding punishment. If you do this, you're rewarded. If
you're not. If you don't do this, you're you're punished,
you know, and the punishments have been quite awesome. As
we talked this morning about the man who uh I
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think it was in the Carolinas uh in the in
uh the Crossing the Lynching Tree by James Comb co
O n e Uh. I think if I'm not mistaken,
there was the Allen family. He was uh. He was
lynched and killed for something that he wasn't he did
not do. His pregnant wife she's about eight nine months pregnant,
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protested his death and raised the sand. They took and
captured her, hung her upside down, built a fire under her,
and roasted her to death, and then cut the baby
out of her and then stuked the baby to death.
M Uh you know, uh so these kinds of punishments
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all right, that you know.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
No one has been prosecuted for. M hmm, that no
one has.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Been prosecuted for. Right.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It was the law group that do not know of
that nature took place.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, you know, yes, and not only that they don't
want to hear it because they say, well, that's old school,
that can't happen again. But it is happening again.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's happening. It is happening.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
In more sophisticated, sophisticated kinds of ways. It is happening.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
And in physical senses, yes, and to some degree, yes,
to some degree. It may not be happening every weekend.
Picnics ain't happening every weekend like they used to have
the church for them. But when we still have young
black boys hanging on college campus down in.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Mississippi, yes, to this day.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They then, yeah, you're absolutely right, Rabbi.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And then then then look at the people that are
being fired in the federal jobs. You know many of
them are black people, are right, d I I'll I'll
give you another fine example. When Kirk was killed, it
was ascertained that another, a white person killed him. How
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what in the heck did a historically black college or
university have to do with one white man killing another?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
We don't, but they keep trying to wrap us into
the conversation.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well, what they try to do. They tried to put
black always try to put a black face on the violence.
They couldn't put it on there individually, so they tried
to put it on the institutions. But the white man
didn't go to HBCU. Okay, all right, And so it's
it's those kinds of punishments all going back. Even remember
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we talked about on the show a couple of weeks ago,
how uh African slave, African person who was a slave
who was incorrigible or resistant, how he was either beaten
or in some instance in front of the in front
of everybody, all right, as an example, and in some
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instances he was held down and antally raped, and so
in front of his family, wife, children, you know, the
village of the setting of the community that was available,
and then you had to wear your parents below your
waist as a symbol that you had been had.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
We got young people making disturbing, disgusting tiktoks about occurrences
like that, making comedy out of it.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And it's like, I get.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
The comative strife to want to put into everything, but
some things just ain't funny.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Well, they don't know the pain of amiliation right at
this point, Okay, but yet yet if I look at
you wrong, the same person, if I look at the wrong,
they'll feel disrespected and humiliated and want to take your life.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Right. But you just had a white woman in the
back of you stroking you on Instagram. That don't even
make sense. It don't make sense, sir, Yeah, sit down somewhere.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Please, And so let's let's get back to this because
you know this is I think this is the meat
of what we have to do. Further detail of the
definition of freedom can be best expressed by simply comparing
Willie Lynch's people and the offspring of those captured Africans
that move about somewhat freely throughout this country. Freedom to
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the euro Gentile is to roam the earth, build giant corporations,
set up governments and military basis in other countries, destroy
anyone who dares not to comply, and forcibly draft only
anyone at any given time to do their bidding. On
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the other hand, freedom is perceived and defined for blacks
in this country is to reap the material scraps from
the rewards of the euro Gentile gentile freedom, and at
the same time believe that they are reaping the benefits
of true freedom. And then my girl, Angela Robert DiAngelo says,
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she was raised to believe that no black person shall
ever enjoy the fruits of white society. But yet you know,
not the fruits. But we can't have the scraps. We
can have the peel off the orange. We have to
peel off the apple, and we might be able to
chew on the core after they eat the rest. It
kind of situation. Now, did we get apple, yes, okay,
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But it was their scrap, It was their garbage, okay.
Simply because under the system of North America styled slavery,
we have been made to view another man's definition of
freedom as if it completely applies to our particular set
of circumstances. Here are documents under controlling on controlling the
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definitions of language, and are stated by slave makers as follows. Now,
I want to get into this. Okay, here cross breeding completed.
For further severance from their original beginnings, we must completely
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annihilate of the mother tongue to both the new Nigga
and the new Mew, and institute a new language that
involves the new life of work of both. You know
that language is a peculiar institution. It leads to the
heart of people. The more a foreigner knows about the
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language of another country, the more he is able to
move through all levels of that society. Therefore, if the
foreigner is an enemy of another country to the extent
that he knows the body language to that extent, is
the country vulnerable to attack or evasion of foreign culture.
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For example, you take a slave, if you teach him
all about your language, he will know all your secrets,
and he is then no slave, for you can't fool
him any longer. And being a fool is one of
the basic ingredients of the slavery system. For example, if
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you told the slave that he must perform in getting out.
For example, if you told the slave that he must
perform and getting out our crops. He knows the language well,
he would know that our crops didn't mean our crops.
The slavery system would break down, for he would relate
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to the basis of what our crops really meant. So
you have to be careful in setting up the new language,
for the slave would soon be in your house talking
to you as man to man, and that is the
death for our economic system. In addition, the definition of
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words or terms is only a minute part of this process.
Values are created and transport it by communication through the
body of language. A total society has many interconnected value systems.
All these systems in the society have bridges of language
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to connect them for orderly working for the society. But
for those language bridges these mini values system these mini
value systems which shapely clash and come and cause eternal
strife or civil war, the degree of conflict being determined
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by the magnitude of issues of relative opposing strength in
whatever form. For example, if you put a slave in
a hog pen and train him to life there and
incorporating him to value it as a way of life completely,
the biggest problem you would have out of him is
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that he would worry you about provisions to keep the
hogpin clean or particularly partially clean, or he might not
bother you at all. On the other hand, if you
put this same slave in the same hogpen and make
him slip and incorporate something in his language whereby he
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comes to a value a house more than he does
his hogpen, you got a problem. He will soon be
in your house. Hm. And they have tried, and they
have tried and to some degree made us comfortable in
the hog pin.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Oh, yes, we're and we're cool. We're content, we're chilling
next to the hogs. I've seen a movie with the
white Man who was.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
A part of this tribe.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
It was like a very small village aufter the apocalypse,
and he accidentally let one of the pigs out, and
so the tribe's punishment was to turn him into the
pigs caretakers, and he had to sleep with the pigs,
eat with the pigs, poop with the pigs, everything with
the pigs. And finally he gained their good graces back,
and the pigs realized he was never one of us.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
He was always one of them.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
My point is we keep.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Trying to assimilate, and we accept people who assimilate, and
they will never be us and we will never be.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, and that's okay, why do we even want to
be and.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Now own reality? All right? Now we're really breaking the chains,
all right, and now we are being free rather than
at liberty. And there's a difference between freedom and liberty.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yes, explain.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Freedom, you are free. Liberty is you're given permission, permission when, when? When? When?
When I was in the Air Force, right, they gave
us permission to be off base. When I got off
got out of the Air Force, I could I could
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come and go as I pleased.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Same okay with the Army, Yes, okay, when you when
you would have Class A pass or Class B passed.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Okay, Class pass B for us only you go all
on the weekend. Class A you could go any time.
But when you're out of it, you could go, come
and go as you please.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yes, I never went a wall. I almost did when
my aunt died and he wouldn't let me go home.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I didn't go anymore. But I was afailed. I was
failure to repair a couple of times. Okay, I didn't
show up for work. Okay, So so we So what
what they're saying here again? And see what what they
don't understand. I don't want to live in your house.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I'm a home I don't want you to have your own, right.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
See, I don't want to be in your house. Let
me build my own and leave you alone.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Do you think the families that bought all that land.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Were threatening, Yes, and they came up with all kinds
of ways to take it from them in the name
of progress, development, you know, okay, Yes, new highways. Deep
Element Dallas was really hit by the highway. And listen,
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when I left Dallas in nineteen eighty six, I guess
the area that I'm talking about that they had did
a reconstrutuction back in the early eighties. They built where
where black folks had lived in part of Deep Elm. Okay,
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they had four hundred to six hundred thousand dollar houses
in the name of progress. Okay. And so what.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I'm like trying to compute in my head this.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Is, so what of those houses were that's that's that's
forty eighty nineteen eighty, okay, was forty five years ago?
They were the houses costs four hundred thousand dollars. Then,
so what are they selling for now? Yeah, with land appreciation, okay,
of course. So it was that those kinds of things.
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So at that time, who was able to you know,
for the most part, most most black people were not
able to buy those houses.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yes, I have a lot of friends relocating to Dallas.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, and some of them like it, some of them don't.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I love Dallas, but when I went back December last year,
I found that Alice Dallas had outgrown me. Okay, it
was a little bit too too much for me.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Like it was too fast movie.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, it wasn't the countryside no more.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
It wasn't that. It was that the traffic was so.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
There's a lot of traffic.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, I mean, and it was breakneck. Everybody thought they
was on the Indianapolis speed well you know, and yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
The one time I did visit my friend in Texas,
we ended up in a car accident, and I knew
it was gonna happen at some point because I'm like,
they dropped.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Crazy crazy absolutely, ye.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yes, Well in Florida it is where's my other cousin
who is from Florida, lives on Orlando or Tampa, one
of the two.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
She speeds everywhere.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Well, okay, for instance, like in Tampa, the normal speed
limit is forty five, Like it was like thirty five
on the streets here, was twenty five on the residential
streets there, exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I was trying to explain to her, like, baby girl,
we got like twenty five thirty five over here, and
I don't want to be pulled over.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Can you like relax? You want me to judge? Like, noa,
I bring away my name. I got it. I'm like
all right, super down.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
So it's those kinds of things, you know. Can I
can handle Florida, but Dallas is just a bit bit much?
And then it depends on That was Tampa, and I
think I think clear Water and Saint Pete where I
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really want to go. It's tarp And Springs, Florida. It's
a little but it's just just outside of Tampa. It's
about it's about like maybe Aurora is to Cleveland, all right,
and about twenty five twenty six thousand people, but yet
it's just a half hour away from the city. If
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you want to go to a game or something, you know,
it's that kind of stuff. Yeah, uh so, uh, there
was something else I wanted to share with us this today.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Black Americans and c l we should make that a segment.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
You make that segment right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Next week we were booked. Well, we'll do it the
first of October.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Uh was it here or here? Ah? Yes, here it is.
This is what I want. Okay. Black America's most patriotic Yes,
dirty little secrets by Claude Anderson, Doctor of Education. America's
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behavior has been oxymora an oxymnic when it comes to
black slavery, Jim crowism, structural racism. The dominant society systemically
oppressed blacks at the same time and encouraged black people
to be their loyal patriarchal protectors. They oppressed us, suppressed US,
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dogness and everything, but wanted us to help protect protect them. Yes.
Since the founding of the colonies, blacks have defended this
country from American, Indians, various European, Asian, and Spanish nations.
Some of the more notable conflicts were wars with the British, French, Germans, Italians, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Koreans, Cambodians, Vietnaes, Canadians, Urbans, Mexicans.
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But blacks willingly fought and died to get freedom for
never ending influx of immigrants into America. White society need
for blacks in its defense has evolved through a complete
three hundred and sixty degree cycle. As early as sixteen
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forty two, before they were officially enslaved, blacks were called
upon to join the militia and defend white settlements against
Indian Indian attacks. At the same time, every colony and
state enacted laws that prohibited Blacks from arming and protecting themselves.
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Fear of black slave revolts, especially through joining forces with
American Indians, prompted whites in the seventeen nineties to enpose
was a national immigration law that set a zero quota
on blacks and a law that barred blacks from the army.
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Black Americans are only racial, the only racial and ethnic
group that has fought in every major military conflict and
whose mother country well has never engaged in a military
battle against this nation. No European, Asian, Hispanic, or Native
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American can make such a claim. So we've we've had
to be plantation keepers or protectors, country protectors, while yet
again being denied just the equal access I think, and
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I think that's the operative equal access all right, without
without it being if you act said said be without
being punitive. And sometimes it comes from us. We're so
busy protecting the plantation for them that we're taking and
and and ostracize or or try to punish over the
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blacks who step out a quote unquote line.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Do you think that was induced into hbc USED at
some point?
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I don't think so. I think the hcb USED begin
to move us away, all right. And this is why
they've been closing. You know, fort HBCUs have been closed, okay,
And I think that's part of the reason why they've
been systematically and little by little shutting them down because
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in those HBCUs they could not necessarily control all of
the curriculum.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
For the ones that are still open, the HBCUs that
are still open, do you feel like it's only a
matter of time before they are on the shopping block
as well?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Again, if we make sure that it does not happen, Okay,
I do know that there's a move where they're trying
to infiltrate them. Hampton University's student population now it's more white, uh,
more white than it used to be. I would say,
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thirty thirty thirty five. Why is that again one the
kinds of there's a different kind of discipline to get
through a HBCU then to go to a white institution.
For for my experience that I had with HBCU, you
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had to learn how to be functional as you developed
the tools, you had to use those tools to be
able to matriculate and graduate. Where in the white institutions
it was a matter of knowledge, okay, knowledge of people,
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the information that was disseminated. So if you showed you
had to handle on the knowledge you didn't necessarily know.
I have to know how to use it, yes, okay.
And so we end up and you see that happens.
You end up on the job with the degree, all right,
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with a master's okay, And somebody comes in with just
a bachelor's. You end up training them and the next
thing you know, you have a master's. They have a bachelor's.
But they're your boss, how because they're white and you black, right,
so you know how to use the tools and train
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them and what not and so forth. But then okay,
and so we see that all the time.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
M M. But you got left on the plate for
us today.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well, nothing, I don't want to go into any get
into anything else again, let us don't remember that the
gold Steines will be honored on Sunday. Let me give
you those numbers, yes, okay uh? To pre record a
tribute to the gold stems, you want to call two
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one six seven seven four zero nine five three Again
two one six seven seven four zero nine five three.
That's the pre record, all right. If you want to
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call in at five point thirty, all right and make
your tribute, call two one six five seven eight one
four nine zero.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I appreciate you for sharing that number with us. Again,
if you would like to pre record a lovely message
to the Goldstings and your pre of your appreciation two
one six seven seven four zero nine five three last
minute or two Rabbi?
Speaker 1 (54:39):
What else you got left for?
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yes? I will drink from my part of the river
and no one shall keep me from it. And this
is the Rabbi along with the black ulicorm saying Shalom habbah.
You have been listening to black thought. Everything was changed
to inform, to inspire and to impac on w o
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you next week.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
This is WOVU Studios
This is WOVU Studios.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good afternoon people. You're now listening to Black Thought. Everything
must change on Wovhu ninety five point nine FN. We
are here to inform, to inspire and to impact. This
is the Rabbi along with the Black Unicorn, bringing you
today's conversation. And we want to before we jump into
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a uni couple of things I forgot to share with you. Thursday,
we were with Sean Maddox Yes and Vicki Maddocks a
three sixty barbershop. They were honored as the business people
of the Year in May Fall Heights. Sean does a
fantastic job and each August he opens his shop up.
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He gives free haircuts. His daughters they do. They have
the salon portion. It's the salon barber shop. He and
his wife cut hair, the daughters do hair. They have
a nao shop and I think tattoos. They open the
shop up and give free hairdooes and haircuts along with barbecue, burgers,
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hot dogs, loaded book bags. I mean, he's been doing
it for several years and it's free, okay for kids
going back to school. So we want to congratulate Sean
and Vicki Maddox at three sixty barbershop and then on
this Sunday at five point thirty, Guy, I know Ben Goldston,
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they call him the Rabbi, along with Missus Goldston will
be honored on the Circle of Life This is your
Life on w e RI at five thirty to seven.
You can call the radio station I think up until
tomorrow afternoon if you want to do a pre recording salutation,
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or you can call in at five thirty from five
thirty to six forty five on Sunday afternoon September twenty eighth,
and also Friday. All right, September twenty six, Mssus Goldstein
and I will be celebrating thirty three years of marriage.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
O Googress All right, Yeah to you both.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
First of all, I'm definitely both super deserving of the
recognition you will be receiving this Sunday again from five
point thirty to six forty five pm.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Do you have that number of people can call in and.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Give you if you keep talking to you.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah. Like I said, y'all are both definitely super deserving,
not only for your community work, your civic engagement work,
all the work that you have both both have put in.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Boosts on ground.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
We always talk about Bootston on ground and you two
are walking embodiesment of that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And then like to just celebrate thirty sothday, y'all many year.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Thirty one, thirty three is such a blessing, you know.
I was just having a conversation with my friend about relationships,
and he was saying how all the men around him
are miserable and the women are happy, talking about married couples,
and I was explaining to him all the couples that
I see, the women are miserable and the men are
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just happy and living spectacular lives.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And I'm just it's just.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So funny to me what you can see in your
immediate surroundings versus what someone else can be surrounded with
and what they see and what molds their opinion on
certain things. So I am curious to know now that
you have been married, this is your second marriage, you've
been married for thirty three years. Now, what is your
opinion on marriage? How do you feel about it and
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and your union with your wife?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Not to get too intimate or deptails.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't know. I don't have I was married before
twenty years, Okay. I feel that marriage, marriage is a
and I.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Want to highlight that as well, because it's important that
you had two long term, decades long marriages, and not
a lot of people can say that, which is why
I want to know your your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Marriage. Marriage. Doctor M Scott Peck in his book of
the Road Let's Travel talks about love. Oh God. John
Powell has two books, Unconditional Love and Why Am I
Afraid to Love? And all of this comes out. Love
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is a commitment to do the work of attention for
the other person's spiritual growth and benefit. And so when
you learn to give, and then biblically first Corinth and thirteen,
you know, love is not demanding. It's a it's a
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process of giving, all right, you can't you you cannot
love without giving. Okay, you can give without loving, but
you cannot love without giving. So it's giving of yourself
without any expectations of anything to return. Okay, we're talking
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about the principle of love now, Okay, But then we
have to turn around and give ourselves permission to be human. Okay,
and so I wanted to be loved okay, okay, and
so and then when we understand what the process of
the male female relationship is okay, What does a woman
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really need and want from a man?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Security?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Love and security? Yes, to be protected emotionally, psychologically, physically,
all right, yes, okay. What does a man.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Want to be loved?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
No? No, no, no no no. He wants to be respected,
all right, and and utilized, made use of, not used,
but made use of as the night and shining almah. Okay,
when we understand those okay, Now that comes in a package,
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another package called the five Languages a love? Yes, all right,
So then what do you need all right to feel loved? Okay?
And what do you need to give to express your.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Love that's important to understand about yourself?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, the Five Languages loved by Gary Smalley.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And so when you win, So when we take and
begin to put this to salad together, if you will, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I like the analogy.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, then then then then then you got something to
work and you don't love because and counseling. When I
count counsel couples before I marry them, I asked you, well,
why do you love this person? And they give me
this list, you know, they sit down, and I said, well,
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if if he or she stops doing this where you
still love him. Well no, well you know then, well
then so we confuse being and like with a person
rather than being in love. So, now, if you stop
doing the things that I like and I love you,
I'm gonna still go be with you. If that makes sense?
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Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Have you actually experienced that?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Sure? Okay, my wife, my wife, My wife is thirty
three years older, all right, there was yes, huh, she's
thirty three years older than what she used to be
when we married. Okay, I'm thirty three years older than
what I used to be, and so there's something about
the what you know, the looks have changed. She was
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a size TM then I gonna tell her now she'll
kill me. All right. I was a size forty. I
went up to forty six. Now I'm back down a
little forty two. Okay. I didn't have gray I had
gray beard, but I had no gray hair. I had hair,
all right. Okay, so you know, but see the things
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that that she liked, all right, that attracted me to
her are no longer. But we're still still together. I
hope I'm making sense.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, it makes you're making sense.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I think for me, those are the things I liked.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, those things, those things are only changed. Those are
the things she liked. Okay, those things are gone, they're changed.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I get it. I just don't want to accept it.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
You know why.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mind.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I'll be honest with you. I'll be completely transparent with you.
I don't want I don't feel like.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I have to accept things that I don't like.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yes, you do, why though, you do? But why how?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Because you just can't live that way, the way just
to have to be have your way all the time,
what you like and what you like own.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So that sounds very like spoiled and greedy. Yes, right, okay, Okay,
I can acknowledge that. I could take that.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I take that. Okay, you just I mean you just
you know, what food do you like?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Mexican everything?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But the food that you don't like that you do eat, Okay,
I say, okay, So all right, So same thing. All
of us are flawed. Okay. So what you do is
you find someone where you're willing to make the adjustment
to live with their flaws, and that person does the
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same thing. They have to make the You're just as
flawed as I am, And so for him to live
with you, he's giving he has had to make the
adjustment to live with your flaws.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And that's something I have to constantly.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, it's a batter of not changing, but adjusting. My
wife just this is something. A bottle, a big bottle
of dawn, okay, dish soap lasts us about two days, okay, yes, yes,
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because she likes to wash dishes, she runs the waters
you're here right, all right, rather than making dish water, okay,
and usually maybe a tea spoon or a tablespoon pull okay,
where that bottle would last month maybe two months, you know, Okay, yes,
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but that's the way. Okay, Yeah, that's little, but ah,
it's normally the little the sorrow grapes, all right, the
spoil the vine.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Can I ask you a personal question or error?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
What happened with you and your first wife?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
There was a sense of overdependency on her.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Over dependent like emotionally finance period period. Do you feel
like it was a codependency at some point and you
grew out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I haven't thought about it that way, but that that
could be a way of expressing it. Yes, okay, but
it was to the point just just uh that she
had a job and on the job. She when she
got to the job, she had to open the safe.
I had to go to the job with her and
open the safe. Yeah that's job.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Oh you living for two at that point kind of
sort of yes.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Okay, and that can get very short, really, okay, I see, okay, all.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Right, okay, So you know it's it's it's uh what
we we we when we learn when we look all
of us, see we we have we have multiple flaws.
I don't have just one. She don't have just one. Okay, uh,
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but you know, but the example I gave is how
we have to go to another one. Uh. When we
would talk when we're first the first couple of years,
we butted heads. Okay, but I felt that the marriage,
this marriage should be show enough because she's a counselor,
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I'm a counselor. We're both educated. You know, da d
d D da dada. Okay, So I no, we butted heads.
Come to find out, my wife is a detailed person. Okay.
And if you don't give her a lot of details,
she's got problems. She's talking to me and I'm sitting here.
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I got this a half hour ago. And you still talking.
You must think I'm stupid. I got a degree just
like you do, okay. And so we found out. So
what happened. We ended up the Levin College of Urban Affairs.
She went into that, she took their leadership pro the
Leadership Institute of the Levan College of Urban Affairs. And
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I'm ready for the fight, okay, you know. And she
comes home and that there are four languages we speak, dominant, tertiary, auxiliary,
and inferior. Okay. And so I would get up in
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the morning. And I'm not exaggerating at all. This is
this is this is. I mean, I would get up
in the morning say good morning, and I would get
balled out. Don't say good morning to me. You don't
mean it. You're trying to intimidate me. All I said
was good morning, okay. But for her, okay, say good
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morning to her. I was speaking from my dominant, speaking
to her inferior. So I don't say good morning anymore, right,
I speak, But hey, baby, let's go along. How you feeling,
you know, I use my tertiary on my what's up?
My auxiliary and.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Learning each other's like actual languages and communication styles just
as important as a languages.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Absolutely, did you love languages? Did you look it up?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Did you look up the five words of affirmation?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Okay, quality time, receiving gifts, acts of survey yes okay,
and physical touch touch yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
And they have tests for these things. People.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
If you want to get to know yourself better, if
you and your partner want to get to know each
other better, take the test together.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Read the book together if you are trying to.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
If you can o right. But sometimes it takes for
you to be alone to read it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, and okay, yeah, sometimes it does take your partner
seeing you take the step towards something for them to
take the step.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And that's what happened. She took the leadership course. So
when she came home, we're not butting heads any because
I'm ready for the because I know she got some
more ammunition now to shoot at me. And it didn't happen.
And now I said, what's going on? So then we
sit down that Sunday afternoon and we talked about it.
I said, oh, okay. So then she suggested they're not
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go and take the course, and so the next class, okay,
I took it, and then I began to find these
things out, and I said, oh, this is what's going on.
Things like another little point. You go tell your daughter.
You know she's not to do that no more. Okay, no,
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uh uh okay. If I have an issue with your daughter,
don't allow me to make you the middle man.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Don't allow you to make don't allow.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Me to make you the middle man. I have to
go to your daughter until I have a problem. Don't
do that anymore. Okay, all right, see, go ahead, go on.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I believe in that.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm very I told you in the morning how I
grew up, and as long as it's done in a
respectful manner, I believe that should be done.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We didn't. We didn't. We didn't have Sometimes you don't
have that kind of upbringing. Fortunately you did, okay, And
so many times I remember we would hey man, well
I like that girl. Let me in those kinds of situations.
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And so sometimes we have to have our attention drawn
to that issue, all right, for us to realize that
we have been trying to put other people, or with
a lot of other people, to put us in the position. Okay,
I have a lady and where we live who uh
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does not like her, she can't stand her pastor. Okay,
And she comes to me and I listen. I said, well, okay,
well now you need to go tell your pastor. But
I think what she was doing was hoping I would
go and say something, well, won't you go talk to him? No,
that's not my play. I don't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
People are very indirect these days.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I feel like emails have ruined people's brains to a
certain extent.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't think it's so much email.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
That was a joke, but the email, but the text
it conflict. People really cannot and when you hear conflict,
they automatically go to this aggressive state of mind.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And we can do it. It's just a difference.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
We can do it and not have immediate repercussions if
we end up. If we're talking, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
The twitter figures, start the tweeting, Yeah right, okay, email,
let's start the emailing. You're a smart aunt.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I was. We're out to dinner with my great granddaughter's
mother and she and somebody was having the conflict. She
spent the whole time we were there texting in this argument,
you know. And I finally said, listen, you don't let
nobody push if I can push your button, I'm not
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in control of you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yes, yes, yes. I had to.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Have a conversation with my people's not too long ago,
and I had to explain, when you've been through the storm,
when you've seen the eye and survived, you don't want
to go back into the eye.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I was in Saint Louis visiting my cousin. We had
an after hour. The girl, he's hating.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I'm still doing my things, dancing, moving job, righting off
all over that place like it's wine.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
They hating even more.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Next thing I know, I'm getting bow guarded. Bow guards
mean that she took her elbow while she was walking
by and boot me, righting my elbow slash like upper
arm area because she was tall like me. I don't care,
because baby, I'm never gonna see you again.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'm going home.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Or But I had two choices in that moment. I
could have responded.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I could have went off. I could have fucked out
young lady nine times out of ten. She had ten
other young ladies with her that was all from Saint Louis,
and I would have ended up somewhere else and not
on my way back.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
To Cleveland that night.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You have choices and responses.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
That even when people physically assault you, you still have choices.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It is up to you how you respond.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
When people violate your space. Yes, yes, now that do
with me. Now that's a different story, depending on again,
depending on circlestances.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I saw the people she was with. I've been jumped befolks.
Like I said, I've seen the eye of storm. I
was not interested in seeing it again.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I was I needed to make it home.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
How you know, we we we we we. Marriage is
a constant process of adjusting.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Can I ask you a question, another question when it
comes to your first marriage. I know I got a
lot of questions about your first marriage. I'm sorry, but
I'm curious to know, at any point before you all divorced,
did you try to I hate to say, I'm trying
to think of another word than like retrain, or like
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rebuild or or re establish her independence?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Boom, there it is.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, okay, but it was resistant.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So she wasn't trying to do it.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
She rather had divorce than a stab where we established
her own independence.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yes, that's tragic.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And so it took the children right then, Okay, it
took the children then to take and kind of lead
her out of it. Okay, where I had to move on. No,
it wasn't I had to move on. It was a
matter of where as long as I was there, that
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dependency would have remained.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, you know I asked you that, right, Okay, No,
I don't Okay, let's talk about Okay, all right, you
got a beautiful book in front of end.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Okay, Yes, I want to go back to something we
were doing last week that I'm looking at it through
new lenses, or we're going back into Breaking the Curse
of Willie Lynch by Alvin Morrow, and I want to
go back to page of sixty six. The last four
hundred and sixty years of black reality has been masked
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and defined by laymen, religious circles, and social scientists who
are all well aware that ultimate deception could be masked
through the shaping of the slave minds perception of reality,
while at the same time distorting the true meaning of
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the keywords necessarily for the children of the once bound
slaves to ever liberate their own minds. So we've been domesticated,
We've been we have been or what is it indoctrinated? Yes,
(23:45):
and doctrinated. Okay, but this is one of the things
that we must realize, and I think this is I'm
going to try to see maybe if I can take
get in touch with Morrow and do something further with this. Okay.
The true power is based on a people's ability to
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initiate a plan of constructive action based on their own definitions.
We must begin to define ourselves, change the narrative. I
keep saying. Nobody is hearing me. I keep saying, people
will not understand this. There is only one race on
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the face of the earth. That's the human race. As
long as you're trying to fight racism is a fight
you cannot win. Racism is not a biological, philosophical, or
social construct. And when we get that through our heads
(24:52):
and come up with our own definition, okay, and our
own reality, which we'll get to, it does not matter
what the predominant largest social norms are due to the
fact that we are another people already defined by our
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own reality. This reality is based upon a completely different standard,
defined by those who determine that black people were different
from those of the European descent. Today, more than ever before,
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black men and women in America must redefine the one
word that has been given to us by those who
are not defined, but took it away from us. And
I'm sorry, let me do that again, Oh let me.
(26:02):
We'll go back here today, more than ever before, Black
men and women in America must redefine the one word
that has been given to us by those who not
only defined but took it away from us. That word
is freedom, and freedom to some does not mean freedom
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to all. Freedom of mobility, choice of employment, choice of relationships,
and choice of residents all sound wonderful, But what constructive
use are they if at the core of our understanding
of freedom is one that only reflects or mimics another
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culture's definition. So we must plan, organize, develop, instrument our
own narrative, our own definitions, and allow no one outside
of ourselves all right to take it redefined for us.
(27:14):
And when we do that, we go back to doing
that and be that for ourselves. I think we will
begin to move forward as we should. Never before on
the pages of history has another nationality been so completely
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consumed by another culture's ways. Then he goes on to say,
my question to you is that, even after being one
hundred and forty years free from change, why are we
as a collective so fragmented? Why are we all call
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up rather than banish the trains we're taken and polishing
the chains hmm literally mm hm literally mmmm.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
The thick change you were. I'm just saying they used
to put them thick changs on slaves for a reason.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Mm hmm. The answer is simple. One nation has defined
for another nations it's position, and that one nation being
black people who have accepted their assigned position based on
what was defined for them, not by them, of them, Hello.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
For them, for them, given to them.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Given to them, and they accept it right now, I
mean now now, they're extenuating circumstances like the the act
of rewarding punishment. If you do this, you're rewarded. If
you're not. If you don't do this, you're you're punished,
you know, and the punishments have been quite awesome. As
we talked this morning about the man who uh I
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think it was in the Carolinas uh in the in
uh the Crossing the Lynching Tree by James Comb co
O n e Uh. I think if I'm not mistaken,
there was the Allen family. He was uh. He was
lynched and killed for something that he wasn't he did
not do. His pregnant wife she's about eight nine months pregnant,
(29:26):
protested his death and raised the sand. They took and
captured her, hung her upside down, built a fire under her,
and roasted her to death, and then cut the baby
out of her and then stuked the baby to death.
M Uh you know, uh so these kinds of punishments
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all right, that you know.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
No one has been prosecuted for. M hmm, that no
one has.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Been prosecuted for. Right.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It was the law group that do not know of
that nature took place.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, you know, yes, and not only that they don't
want to hear it because they say, well, that's old school,
that can't happen again. But it is happening again.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's happening. It is happening.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
In more sophisticated, sophisticated kinds of ways. It is happening.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
And in physical senses, yes, and to some degree, yes,
to some degree. It may not be happening every weekend.
Picnics ain't happening every weekend like they used to have
the church for them. But when we still have young
black boys hanging on college campus down in.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Mississippi, yes, to this day.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They then, yeah, you're absolutely right, Rabbi.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And then then then look at the people that are
being fired in the federal jobs. You know many of
them are black people, are right, d I I'll I'll
give you another fine example. When Kirk was killed, it
was ascertained that another, a white person killed him. How
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what in the heck did a historically black college or
university have to do with one white man killing another?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
We don't, but they keep trying to wrap us into
the conversation.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well, what they try to do. They tried to put
black always try to put a black face on the violence.
They couldn't put it on there individually, so they tried
to put it on the institutions. But the white man
didn't go to HBCU. Okay, all right, And so it's
it's those kinds of punishments all going back. Even remember
(31:53):
we talked about on the show a couple of weeks ago,
how uh African slave, African person who was a slave
who was incorrigible or resistant, how he was either beaten
or in some instance in front of the in front
of everybody, all right, as an example, and in some
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instances he was held down and antally raped, and so
in front of his family, wife, children, you know, the
village of the setting of the community that was available,
and then you had to wear your parents below your
waist as a symbol that you had been had.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
We got young people making disturbing, disgusting tiktoks about occurrences
like that, making comedy out of it.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And it's like, I get.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
The comative strife to want to put into everything, but
some things just ain't funny.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Well, they don't know the pain of amiliation right at
this point, Okay, but yet yet if I look at
you wrong, the same person, if I look at the wrong,
they'll feel disrespected and humiliated and want to take your life.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Right. But you just had a white woman in the
back of you stroking you on Instagram. That don't even
make sense. It don't make sense, sir, Yeah, sit down somewhere.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Please, And so let's let's get back to this because
you know this is I think this is the meat
of what we have to do. Further detail of the
definition of freedom can be best expressed by simply comparing
Willie Lynch's people and the offspring of those captured Africans
that move about somewhat freely throughout this country. Freedom to
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the euro Gentile is to roam the earth, build giant corporations,
set up governments and military basis in other countries, destroy
anyone who dares not to comply, and forcibly draft only
anyone at any given time to do their bidding. On
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the other hand, freedom is perceived and defined for blacks
in this country is to reap the material scraps from
the rewards of the euro Gentile gentile freedom, and at
the same time believe that they are reaping the benefits
of true freedom. And then my girl, Angela Robert DiAngelo says,
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she was raised to believe that no black person shall
ever enjoy the fruits of white society. But yet you know,
not the fruits. But we can't have the scraps. We
can have the peel off the orange. We have to
peel off the apple, and we might be able to
chew on the core after they eat the rest. It
kind of situation. Now, did we get apple, yes, okay,
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But it was their scrap, It was their garbage, okay.
Simply because under the system of North America styled slavery,
we have been made to view another man's definition of
freedom as if it completely applies to our particular set
of circumstances. Here are documents under controlling on controlling the
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definitions of language, and are stated by slave makers as follows. Now,
I want to get into this. Okay, here cross breeding completed.
For further severance from their original beginnings, we must completely
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annihilate of the mother tongue to both the new Nigga
and the new Mew, and institute a new language that
involves the new life of work of both. You know
that language is a peculiar institution. It leads to the
heart of people. The more a foreigner knows about the
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language of another country, the more he is able to
move through all levels of that society. Therefore, if the
foreigner is an enemy of another country to the extent
that he knows the body language to that extent, is
the country vulnerable to attack or evasion of foreign culture.
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For example, you take a slave, if you teach him
all about your language, he will know all your secrets,
and he is then no slave, for you can't fool
him any longer. And being a fool is one of
the basic ingredients of the slavery system. For example, if
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you told the slave that he must perform in getting out.
For example, if you told the slave that he must
perform and getting out our crops. He knows the language well,
he would know that our crops didn't mean our crops.
The slavery system would break down, for he would relate
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to the basis of what our crops really meant. So
you have to be careful in setting up the new language,
for the slave would soon be in your house talking
to you as man to man, and that is the
death for our economic system. In addition, the definition of
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words or terms is only a minute part of this process.
Values are created and transport it by communication through the
body of language. A total society has many interconnected value systems.
All these systems in the society have bridges of language
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to connect them for orderly working for the society. But
for those language bridges these mini values system these mini
value systems which shapely clash and come and cause eternal
strife or civil war, the degree of conflict being determined
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by the magnitude of issues of relative opposing strength in
whatever form. For example, if you put a slave in
a hog pen and train him to life there and
incorporating him to value it as a way of life completely,
the biggest problem you would have out of him is
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that he would worry you about provisions to keep the
hogpin clean or particularly partially clean, or he might not
bother you at all. On the other hand, if you
put this same slave in the same hogpen and make
him slip and incorporate something in his language whereby he
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comes to a value a house more than he does
his hogpen, you got a problem. He will soon be
in your house. Hm. And they have tried, and they
have tried and to some degree made us comfortable in
the hog pin.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Oh, yes, we're and we're cool. We're content, we're chilling
next to the hogs. I've seen a movie with the
white Man who was.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
A part of this tribe.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
It was like a very small village aufter the apocalypse,
and he accidentally let one of the pigs out, and
so the tribe's punishment was to turn him into the
pigs caretakers, and he had to sleep with the pigs,
eat with the pigs, poop with the pigs, everything with
the pigs. And finally he gained their good graces back,
and the pigs realized he was never one of us.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
He was always one of them.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
My point is we keep.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Trying to assimilate, and we accept people who assimilate, and
they will never be us and we will never be.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, and that's okay, why do we even want to
be and.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Now own reality? All right? Now we're really breaking the chains,
all right, and now we are being free rather than
at liberty. And there's a difference between freedom and liberty.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yes, explain.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Freedom, you are free. Liberty is you're given permission, permission when, when? When? When?
When I was in the Air Force, right, they gave
us permission to be off base. When I got off
got out of the Air Force, I could I could
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come and go as I pleased.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Same okay with the Army, Yes, okay, when you when
you would have Class A pass or Class B passed.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Okay, Class pass B for us only you go all
on the weekend. Class A you could go any time.
But when you're out of it, you could go, come
and go as you please.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yes, I never went a wall. I almost did when
my aunt died and he wouldn't let me go home.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I didn't go anymore. But I was afailed. I was
failure to repair a couple of times. Okay, I didn't
show up for work. Okay, So so we So what
what they're saying here again? And see what what they
don't understand. I don't want to live in your house.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I'm a home I don't want you to have your own, right.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
See, I don't want to be in your house. Let
me build my own and leave you alone.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Do you think the families that bought all that land.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Were threatening, Yes, and they came up with all kinds
of ways to take it from them in the name
of progress, development, you know, okay, Yes, new highways. Deep
Element Dallas was really hit by the highway. And listen,
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when I left Dallas in nineteen eighty six, I guess
the area that I'm talking about that they had did
a reconstrutuction back in the early eighties. They built where
where black folks had lived in part of Deep Elm. Okay,
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they had four hundred to six hundred thousand dollar houses
in the name of progress. Okay. And so what.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I'm like trying to compute in my head this.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Is, so what of those houses were that's that's that's
forty eighty nineteen eighty, okay, was forty five years ago?
They were the houses costs four hundred thousand dollars. Then,
so what are they selling for now? Yeah, with land appreciation, okay,
of course. So it was that those kinds of things.
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So at that time, who was able to you know,
for the most part, most most black people were not
able to buy those houses.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yes, I have a lot of friends relocating to Dallas.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, and some of them like it, some of them don't.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I love Dallas, but when I went back December last year,
I found that Alice Dallas had outgrown me. Okay, it
was a little bit too too much for me.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Like it was too fast movie.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, it wasn't the countryside no more.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
It wasn't that. It was that the traffic was so.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
There's a lot of traffic.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, I mean, and it was breakneck. Everybody thought they
was on the Indianapolis speed well you know, and yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
The one time I did visit my friend in Texas,
we ended up in a car accident, and I knew
it was gonna happen at some point because I'm like,
they dropped.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Crazy crazy absolutely, ye.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yes, Well in Florida it is where's my other cousin
who is from Florida, lives on Orlando or Tampa, one
of the two.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
She speeds everywhere.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Well, okay, for instance, like in Tampa, the normal speed
limit is forty five, Like it was like thirty five
on the streets here, was twenty five on the residential
streets there, exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I was trying to explain to her, like, baby girl,
we got like twenty five thirty five over here, and
I don't want to be pulled over.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Can you like relax? You want me to judge? Like, noa,
I bring away my name. I got it. I'm like
all right, super down.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
So it's those kinds of things, you know. Can I
can handle Florida, but Dallas is just a bit bit much?
And then it depends on That was Tampa, and I
think I think clear Water and Saint Pete where I
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really want to go. It's tarp And Springs, Florida. It's
a little but it's just just outside of Tampa. It's
about it's about like maybe Aurora is to Cleveland, all right,
and about twenty five twenty six thousand people, but yet
it's just a half hour away from the city. If
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you want to go to a game or something, you know,
it's that kind of stuff. Yeah, uh so, uh, there
was something else I wanted to share with us this today.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Black Americans and c l we should make that a segment.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
You make that segment right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Next week we were booked. Well, we'll do it the
first of October.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Uh was it here or here? Ah? Yes, here it is.
This is what I want. Okay. Black America's most patriotic Yes,
dirty little secrets by Claude Anderson, Doctor of Education. America's
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behavior has been oxymora an oxymnic when it comes to
black slavery, Jim crowism, structural racism. The dominant society systemically
oppressed blacks at the same time and encouraged black people
to be their loyal patriarchal protectors. They oppressed us, suppressed US,
(47:24):
dogness and everything, but wanted us to help protect protect them. Yes.
Since the founding of the colonies, blacks have defended this
country from American, Indians, various European, Asian, and Spanish nations.
Some of the more notable conflicts were wars with the British, French, Germans, Italians, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Koreans, Cambodians, Vietnaes, Canadians, Urbans, Mexicans.
(48:02):
But blacks willingly fought and died to get freedom for
never ending influx of immigrants into America. White society need
for blacks in its defense has evolved through a complete
three hundred and sixty degree cycle. As early as sixteen
(48:23):
forty two, before they were officially enslaved, blacks were called
upon to join the militia and defend white settlements against
Indian Indian attacks. At the same time, every colony and
state enacted laws that prohibited Blacks from arming and protecting themselves.
(48:49):
Fear of black slave revolts, especially through joining forces with
American Indians, prompted whites in the seventeen nineties to enpose
was a national immigration law that set a zero quota
on blacks and a law that barred blacks from the army.
(49:10):
Black Americans are only racial, the only racial and ethnic
group that has fought in every major military conflict and
whose mother country well has never engaged in a military
battle against this nation. No European, Asian, Hispanic, or Native
(49:30):
American can make such a claim. So we've we've had
to be plantation keepers or protectors, country protectors, while yet
again being denied just the equal access I think, and
(49:52):
I think that's the operative equal access all right, without
without it being if you act said said be without
being punitive. And sometimes it comes from us. We're so
busy protecting the plantation for them that we're taking and
and and ostracize or or try to punish over the
(50:15):
blacks who step out a quote unquote line.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Do you think that was induced into hbc USED at
some point?
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I don't think so. I think the hcb USED begin
to move us away, all right. And this is why
they've been closing. You know, fort HBCUs have been closed, okay,
And I think that's part of the reason why they've
been systematically and little by little shutting them down because
(50:52):
in those HBCUs they could not necessarily control all of
the curriculum.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
For the ones that are still open, the HBCUs that
are still open, do you feel like it's only a
matter of time before they are on the shopping block
as well?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Again, if we make sure that it does not happen, Okay,
I do know that there's a move where they're trying
to infiltrate them. Hampton University's student population now it's more white, uh,
more white than it used to be. I would say,
(51:36):
thirty thirty thirty five. Why is that again one the
kinds of there's a different kind of discipline to get
through a HBCU then to go to a white institution.
For for my experience that I had with HBCU, you
(52:01):
had to learn how to be functional as you developed
the tools, you had to use those tools to be
able to matriculate and graduate. Where in the white institutions
it was a matter of knowledge, okay, knowledge of people,
(52:28):
the information that was disseminated. So if you showed you
had to handle on the knowledge you didn't necessarily know.
I have to know how to use it, yes, okay.
And so we end up and you see that happens.
You end up on the job with the degree, all right,
(52:52):
with a master's okay, And somebody comes in with just
a bachelor's. You end up training them and the next
thing you know, you have a master's. They have a bachelor's.
But they're your boss, how because they're white and you black, right,
so you know how to use the tools and train
(53:14):
them and what not and so forth. But then okay,
and so we see that all the time.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
M M. But you got left on the plate for
us today.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well, nothing, I don't want to go into any get
into anything else again, let us don't remember that the
gold Steines will be honored on Sunday. Let me give
you those numbers, yes, okay uh? To pre record a
tribute to the gold stems, you want to call two
(53:49):
one six seven seven four zero nine five three Again
two one six seven seven four zero nine five three.
That's the pre record, all right. If you want to
(54:09):
call in at five point thirty, all right and make
your tribute, call two one six five seven eight one
four nine zero.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I appreciate you for sharing that number with us. Again,
if you would like to pre record a lovely message
to the Goldstings and your pre of your appreciation two
one six seven seven four zero nine five three last
minute or two Rabbi?
Speaker 1 (54:39):
What else you got left for?
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yes? I will drink from my part of the river
and no one shall keep me from it. And this
is the Rabbi along with the black ulicorm saying Shalom habbah.
You have been listening to black thought. Everything was changed
to inform, to inspire and to impac on w o
VU ninety five point nine f E. We will see
(55:02):
you next week.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
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