August 21, 2025 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Every Welcome to the Bob and Eric Stave American Podcast.
Monday's Bob and my name's Eric Matheini. Thank you all
for tuning in. Great to be here on Saturday, as
we're like halfway done with August. Bob, where the hell
did twenty twenty five go? I feel like we talked
about this last week. I feel like time is speeding up?
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That's that's what happens, man. That's what happens when you
get older, is is just your your memory gets longer
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and I hope we do this as long as we
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Speaker 4 (01:13):
Bob.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
A lot of people ask, But you guys, hear that
theme song, A lot of people ask. That is Mike Baby.
You know him on X as Miguelifornia. And he was
at the White House this past week with our good
friend Brendan Dilley doing I guess he was there with Beard,
Vet and Brendan, you know, three palas of ours who
have been on the show and we've hung out with
them a whole bunch. I guess they were part of
(01:35):
the White House press corps. You know, Trump has been
bringing more and more new media figures into the Oval Office,
into the press room, kind of shunning CNN and MSNBC
in favor of people who are streamers, podcasters who come
to you in this newer form of media. So it's
always good to see that. But a couple of things
I want to touch on before we bring our guests.
And our guest is standing by first and foremost. Putin
(01:58):
and Trump look like they are on the verge. They're
not quite there yet, but it looks like they are
on the verge of peace. They let's say, they looked
very friendly together. They drove them the beasts together. It's
he said it was a ten meeting, So you know,
what everybody says, all the liberals, I should say, all
(02:19):
the liberals said, oh, you know, Trump is a Putin stooge,
he's coosing up to Putin. I have said this for years.
I don't think it's a bad thing that these two
men respect each other. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I like RuSHA.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I don't think it's a bad thing that these two
men respect each other. And also at the same time,
you know, we're actually looking to put an end to
the conflict, to save lives and to save tax dollars.
Because when Biden was in office and Putin confirmed this,
the only reason that he moved on Ukraine was he
had no fear of American reprisal. We had Joe Biden
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in office. He had no fear of Joe Biden. Trump
comes around, and now we're actually getting somewhere where we
can put an end to this. We can stop the
bleeding literally and financially. And the Biden solution and unfortunately
solution of a lot of Republicans, I mean, your Mitch
McConnell's or whatnot, are let's just give Ukraine whatever they want,
whenever they want, without any accountability whatsoever. I think it's
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almost current country in the world too. It is. And
again that's without mentioning all the ties that Biden has
to Ukraine. Remember they put his son on the board
of Verisma in eighty three thousand a month. The guy
can't find his ass with two hands, but somehow he's
an expert in energy. They put him on the board,
paying eighty three grand a month. I think I really
(03:38):
believe it. I think the evidence suggests that Biden was
repaying favors to Ukraine in that endless stream of cash
he was sending to him over that four year period.
Can't argue with that.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
It certainly looks that way.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But other than that, you know, while we're trying to
make peace abroad, we need to focus on making peace
at home. Unless you've been living on Mars, you look around,
you're inundated with content every day. Maybe not in the
physical world, because I think most of us the idea
in life is to live as far away from an impoverished,
(04:14):
crime bridden city center as possible. But those that live
in cities, I think you're seeing They claim that crime
is down, I think reporting of crime is down. You're
seeing very dangerous large large groups of young people thirteen
fourteen years old. Where the hell are the parents? Why
are the parents letting the kids out? Cities becoming very dangerous,
(04:34):
which is why I'm glad that we have this next
guest coming on. I want to introduce to you guys,
Caleb Gilbert. Now, if there's one guy who's an expert
in staying safe, is someone who protects people for a living,
who protects high profile celebrities, high net worth individuals who
have the kind of money to hire a guy like Caleb,
who's going to keep him safe a Caleb is a
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founder and president of White Glove Protection Service and a
global subject matter expert in executive protection. So, Caleb, you
can protect executives and guys that have a lot of money,
But what about for regular folk like wor walking down
the street? First and foremost, welcome the show, first time guest.
Before we get into your expertise, how did you get
into executive protection? How does one get into that field?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, I like to say that I was raised by
the industry for the industry because I literally fell in
love with the concept when I first heard about it
when I was sixteen years old, and from then it
was like a light, you know, going off at the time,
I'd wanted to work my way, you know, becoming Navy
seal and was training and doing dive training and that literally,
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you know, was doing physical fitness in a park, ran
across some guys who were doing corporate executive protection and
as they say, the rest is history. It's been several decades,
you know, fifty plus countries later, flying three hundred plus
thousand miles a year all around the world with some
amazing people. And you know, you mentioned as the normal
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person stay safe. The normal person faces risks just like
ulter a high network individuals, right, but the normal person
can can look for the signs of risk the same
as we do as professionals in the field. So you know,
it's more about awareness, less about having like a secret
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sauce if you will.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I understand that completely. And you know, obviously it's an
interesting field. I've I've known a lot of people who
have done that, a lot of people prior military, prior
law enforcement. Is that where most of your employees are
coming from.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, we're we're eighty five foot percent plus
military law enforcement. We've got a ton of people federal
agents that have that have transitioned over in the last
ten years especially, uh, and so there's there's the industry's
gone through a fundamental shift, and it's really brought a
lot more professionalism, a need for a lot more a
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lot more uh, dedicated professionals rather than you know, the
the bodyguard of the eighties and the nineties, if you will,
it was just a knuckle dragger buddy walking next to
you know, XYZ celebrity type of deal.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I would imagine that because the net worth of your target,
your target or I guess your mark or whatever you
guys call them in the industry, the person you're protecting,
they're not only a target for violence, but they're a
target for litigation. So if god forbid, someone gets too
close and one of the bodyguards does something, they're suing
your company. They're suing your employer. I mean, so you also, yes,
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you have to maintain professionalism, not just for the image
and not just to stay out of trouble, but to
protect your your employer from litigation. I imagine that's a
real concern.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Definitely. The last last four years, the term digital executive
protection has surged to the forefront. You know, you look
at the digital risks facing individuals and that ten to one.
You know, the risks are coming in a digital format
and a big part of that is the reputation that
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needs to be defended from you know, sometimes state actors,
sometimes you know, some some guyance grandma's basement in the
middle of Ohio. You know, like the swatting and dock scene,
and all those issues are something we deal with every
single day.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So, you know, transitioning from you know, high net worth
and you know celebrities and just ordinary people living in cities,
I mean, obviously you come across the same news and
the same content we do. Are you seeing an uptick
in violence and just general danger in cities and maybe
you've seen over the past thirty forty.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Years, I would absolutely see. I would absolutely say that
I see an uptak tick in the level of attention
that we're paying to the violence. You know, violence fluctuates.
You look at you look at national trends. You know,
we look at the you know, cap Index score, which
shows what violence is going on where, you know, so
we know every house of our protectees in what neighborhood,
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what the violence levels are, what the comparables are, so
that we can really adjust our risk profile in real time.
Violence is violence. It doesn't matter who's it's it's facing.
The average individual out there is becoming more aware of
the violence around them. Part of that is because we
have more access to information, right, real time data and
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you know, oh there was a mugging two blocks away
from me, and it pops up. Is a news break
on your on your phone at times, right, So I
would say certain areas we definitely have more violence. You see,
there's there's definitely you know, within that violence subsets of
things that have changed, you know, the motivation for violence.
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You know, in order for a bad person to do
bad things, they need to have three things, you know,
the means to do it, the intent to do it,
and the proximity to do whatever it is that they
want to do. And you look at your average street
thug wherever you're at in the world, and if they
have any of those thre recomponents, then they're gonna do
bad things to you know, grandma or an executive, doesn't
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really matter. If they have the means, if they have
the motivation, then somebody is going to be a victim.
You know. So we really take that as the foundation
not only for our protect these but for my family
members for my friends when they're going to Chicago, pay
attention to what's around you and do what you can
do to remove any of those three mechanisms that the
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bad people need to do bad things, and it keeps
you a lot safer.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know what I'm saying. And I'm on the other
side of it. I'm in criminal defense. I've been a prosecutor,
so I see it from the legal side. Once the
violence occurs, the aftermath of it. And one thing that
I've seen, even in my career, which has only spanned
eighteen years from two thousand and seven to now, there
used to be even among the worst of us, even
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among the thugs on the streets, there used to be
some measure of honor that you saw, like, Yeah, we're
going to go attack rival gang members, but we're not
going to shoot up a kid's birthday party, We're not
going to shoot up a funeral, We're not going to
attack innocent people on the street. And even law enforcement
officers that I'm friends with said, Hey, to some degree,
we kind of relied upon that, and we had relationships
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with We knew who those shot callers were, and we
had relations and we knew what was going on but
what you see now with the subsequent generations, First and foremost,
they're getting younger, and they're also getting more and more
violent without any trace of empathy or regard for what
they do. You see videos fights breaking out everywhere, three
hundred teams taking over an intersection, doing whatever they want,
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storming into stores, filling up bags and leaving operating with
complete immunity. First and foremost, have you noticed that have
you seen there's a transition from maybe criminals having some
sense of honor to having none, and to the social
and political climate with defunding the police and absolutely demonizing
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law enforcement and criminal prosecution to the point where cities
are like, our hands are tied, we can't do anything,
and now the fox is running the hen house.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yes. Yes, At the end of the day, you look
at the unintended consequences, unintended consequences of efforts that have
been made to you know, help or to adjust or whatnot.
Talk to anybody in law enforcement and they feel the impact,
whether it's whether it's you know, handcuffing their ability to
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fight prime or limiting the scope in which they can
focus their efforts on proven results. I will say that
I worked in the East Coast for many years, and
I remember two thousand and eight running into mobs of
violent teens who literally ran into the corporate headquarters of
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the billionaires we're working for at the time. Mob just
ran in because they wanted to do something, get attention,
get what they wanted, and then they'd run out, right.
So it's not necessarily a new thing. What we're seeing
now is a The news is paying attention to it
because it's front and center in all our minds. But also,
like you said, the individuals who typically are doing these
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things are getting away with them by and large, and
even with all the technology we have, even with all
the tools that are available for security law enforcement to
be able to identify who these individuals are, the consequences
just haven't been there most recently. And you know, at
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the end of the day, that's not sustainable.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It's not sustainable. And again, you know, we can only
speak to certain aspects of it. We can speak to
how to protect people from violence from these sociopaths, from
these these dangerous predators that are getting more dangerous and
are becoming more embolded due to a lack of consequences.
You could talk about the social factors, the economic factors,
no child, I mean eighty to eighty five percent of
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incarcerated juveniles have father in the home. That's an age
old trope. And I don't think the three of us
are going to solve that issue together here today, nor
do I think we have the ability to do that.
But we have the ability to protect ourselves. And one
of the things I see, Caleb, and you know, maybe
it makes me crass, and maybe I've been doing this
too long. I always look at a crime and I
look at the actions of the victim. Now, no one
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deserves to be a victim, we can agree on that,
but you have to look at the actions taken by
the victim and where did you make mistakes? What can
eat even the most innocent victim. There has to be
some measure of theoretical culpability and the decision making you make.
Like walking through Chicago at three in the morning, I
think you're asking for trouble. I no matter who you are,
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walking going to a jazz festival in Cincinnati, I just
I'm sorry. And maybe I'm getting older and maybe I'm
just grouchy. But I live in the suburbs. I live
as far from the city as possible, and that is
on purpose. I don't want to be anywhere close to
a city center. I want to have kind neighbors. I
want to have nicely manicured lawns. I want the HLA
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to write my letter a note or my neighbor and
note when the trees aren't tricked. I want some kind
of esthetic standard for my neighborhood. What advice can you
give to people. Let's say you have business. Let's say
you have to go to Washington, DC, or you have
to go to New York. What advice can you give
to people to avoid being a victim?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Awareness is literally the key to doing what you can
to stay safe. It's something that everybody can do right.
Behavioral science has been a large part of my education.
I spent eleven years in academia going through and learning
about safety, security, geopolitical implications of that security. At the
end of the day, all the behavioral science that I've
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focused on boils down to very simple steps. If you
have to go to that meeting at three am, if
you have to go to that event, you know and
you know you going into an area, use your awareness
to maintain a hypervigilant level of attention. Right consciously be
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aware that hey, I'm walking into a zone that is
not safe. Beyond that, the actual way that we identify
risk can be can be extremely simple. Some people call
it a gut feeling. Some people call it, you know, intuition,
prompting the Holy spirit, whatever you want to call it.
If you're walking and you see somebody and mentally you think, oh,
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there's a thumbs up. That's a thumbs up. That's a
normal person for this environment. You know, there might be
a ton of drunk people and that's the norm for
that environment and they're all just having fun. That's a
thumbs up. But if you're walking through that environment and
you see somebody that's maybe a thumb sideways, that is
like a checking your spirit. That's that's a check saying
there's the normal for that environment that I'm walking in,
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and this is this is an anomaly, This is different,
and sometimes it's a nuance. But the important thing is
is identifying the difference between thumbs up and thumb sideways,
because if you see a thumb sideways, you pay extra
attention to any of those and if any of the
three components that a bad person needs to do a
bad thing becomes becomes a feasibility. You know that you
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need to escalate your response by running by you know,
whatever it is. As soon as it goes from a
thumb sideways to a thumbs down. Thumbs down for your
normal person just means get out of there right. Something
has changed that that normal environment, even if it's a bar,
even if it's you know, a bunch of you know,
drunk people doing drunk things at three a m. You
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use thumbs down. Just get out of there right, find
a different environment, remove yourself from that situation. That's the
thumbs down. You know, for those of us who protect
that thumbs down absolutely means mitigate the risk you know,
however you need to. But for the average individual, you
know you can run, you can lock yourself into a
safe place. You can, you know, go find a place
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that's safe. The sooner you observe thumb sideways or thumbs down.
As any human being the sumer, you can create time
and distance, which we know from the protection world is
what creates safety for anybody. The richest people in the
world or my grandma walking down the street.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I agree, and I think another thing, especially like you
got to go to an event late at night and
you're walking back to your hotel, you think, oh, it's
just two three blocks first and foremost, you know, get
the cab, get the uber. Travel with people you're with.
If you're with colleagues from work, hey let's take an
uber together. Because ubers, again, can still be dangerous situations.
You don't know who these strangers are that are picking
you up. And you say, the thumb sideways, and I
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like that you said that thumb's down is obvious. You
see some homeless guy, some drunk someone who's aggressive walking
down the street, you're going to turn a walk the
other way. That's without saying. But you cannot operate in
the world. I think that, you know, maybe the way
some of us are raised is like people are generally good.
That's a bunch of horseship. I think at our core
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we are self interested. And I've been in criminal law
long enough to think that every human being out there
either wants to rob me or kill me. And you
have to operate with this guarded fashion. And if you're
walking home somewhere, if you, God forbid, have to go
to one of these cities, and I think personally, if
you're alone, and let's say there's no one to walk
with you. You're walking. Anytime there's a group, I don't
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care if it's a group of thirteen year olds hanging out.
I don't care if it's a group of you know,
frat guys who are drunk. When people get in groups,
Caleb and you know, they get emboldened by each other.
They may be individually, they may be fine, harmless people,
but you get five, six, ten of them in a group,
they want to impress each other. They want to show
their bravado. Let's go mess with this guy and next thing,
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you know, I don't care how tough. I don't care
how trained you are. Ten on one man, you know
you're outmatched. I don't care how tough you are. I
think you see that you go the other way, double back,
walk around in the other direction. I don't care. Avoid
groups at all costs.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Create time and distance, right, because the level of motivation
for those groups dissipates very quickly as soon as they
get away from the groups, unless they're fixated on you
because you've engaged them in one way or another. If
you start creating time and distance, they don't want to
leave the pack. They don't want to leave the safety
of the other people who are like minded, who are
emboldening them to act, you know, act a certain way,
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and so creating time and distance soon as soon as
you identify it literally will save lives.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It absolutely will and again, and this is predominantly for
the men, because we are prideful creatures and we all
think that we're you know, big swinging dicks, and we're
tough and we could take on the world. And sometimes
you get in a situation where someone says something unkind.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I think if.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You're you got to have the wherewithal and you got
to have the ability to disregard that and walk away.
Someone could say something insulting, they could be bothered you,
but not engaging with that and separating yourself is going
to pay dividends the long win first and foremost. You know,
this is the modern age, and I speak from a
legal perspective. There are cameras everywhere, Like the days of
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getting in bar fights are over. Like you're not just
going to go like duke it out with someone, you
bust someone's lip and go home. There's going to be
law enforcement, there's going to be lawsuits, there's going to
be things happening. People don't just forget about it. We
don't live in that time period anymore. We have to
get out of that. And you have to understand that, Yes,
I know what your core. You're a man, you're a caveman,
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you're big, tough guy. But you also have a home,
you have a family, you have things that are worth value.
And is it really worth some guy comes up and
calls you a name, and you take one swing and
he falls and he cracks his head open, has a
brain bleeding, dies and you're going to prison. It's not
worth it. So I think an ounce of prevention is
certainly worth more than a pound of cure in this.
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But I'm wondering, you know, transitioning back.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
To what you do.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So when you're you're protecting someone, you've got to travel
with someone, You're you're traversing through foreign countries, Like what
is the landscape? Because we know when the president's being protected,
secret Service can go out there ahead of time, they
know the routes, they they're there on the ground. Do you, guys,
if you're if you're guarding someone, let's say someone, money
is not an issue. They have all the money in
the world. You're guarding them. How do you take someone
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to a foreign country. How do you navigate unforeseen landscapes
like that?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, you know, just like the city service, we call
it advance planning, right, We got people there in advance
running the routes, looking at the choke points. We call
them any situation, any any point that could be dangerous
to the to the safety or the transit of of
our protectees. You know, the steps that we take, whether
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whether large or small, will vastly depend on the level
of threat facing each protectee. And that's why, you know,
a lot of people don't realize the executive protection industry
is driven by intelligence and the day to day operations
that people actually see in the field is the executive
protection agents who are the face of the team. But
behind each of us, we have an army of global
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security operations centers. We have a full intelligence team that's
feeding us real time data, letting us know that if
the risk level has changed and we need to adjust
our protective posture to meet the risk. That's that's the
big challenge in the executive protection world is risk changes
so frequently, and we see from from from recent instances
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in the news. How when teams haven't pivoted to be
able to scale to the risk facing their protectees or
facing their sites. How you know, you can oftentimes fall
short of the response that we would like to see.
And that's that's what wakes me up in the morning
and inspires me to go out there and find better ways,
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new ways to do things, and more fact of ways
to keep people safe.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
One thing I want to ask you, I think a
lot of people are wondering. We talked about breaches and
security and failure. I think the greatest breach in security
that we all remember happened a year ago last summer
in Butler, Pennsylvania, when President Trump, who was not yet
the forty seventh president, but having been the forty fifth president,
having been the candidate, he had Secret Service protection and
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someone was able to get on a roof within rifle
shot and but Fordham turning his head, he would be dead.
When you look at what happened there from a tactical standpoint,
irrespective of politics and irrespective of who that person is
on the stage, what were the failures and how did
that happen? Because there was a shooter's platform within rifle
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shot and it was not guarded. Where were the failures
there and what should happen as a result of that,
because obviously the president, whoever he is, needs to be
the most protected person on the planet.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
You know, that situation was the most productive learning opera
unity for the protection industry as a whole since Reagan,
in my opinion. You know, the pluthora of lessons that
that has taught us appropriate people, appropriate timing, appropriate resources,
appropriate collaboration. All of those are are just touching on
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the takeaways that have been publicly disclosed. To be perfectly candid,
I don't think that we know at this stage in
time what the actual failures were that led to it,
so I would be irresponsible to comment beyond that. But
I can absolutely say that that has fundamentally changed the
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way that my teams train, the way that we look
at where we're going to allocate our resources. You look
at you look at the playbook that the Secret Service
follows right, and it's and it's tested and proven over
time globally. They do the same thing day in day out,
just like a lot of other government agencies, and how
they do it, how they improve, and how they use
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their recent sources to protect you know, the most sought
after person of the world by the farious actors. Right,
they operate from proven results, It's been proven over time. Right.
In the private sector, we've had to take and pivot
on that because we don't have the luxury of having
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an entire large team like the Secret Service does all
the time, and so we've had to take and be
very selective about, all, right, how can we maximize our
ability to mitigate risk for our protectees without spending billions
of dollars a year on the protective measures in place.
And one of the things that you absolutely see in
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the private sector is a fluctuation of resources. So we
build teams that are scalable. If the threat is higher,
if you're going to a higher risk area, then we
need to scale up. We need to add appropriate risk
mitigation measures to those teams, and then if they're an
area that we've deemed to be less less dangerous, then
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we scale it down. Right. The techniques are the same,
the things that we use the same, and typically the
level of visibility to the general public remains the same.
But you know, it's been almost fifteen years before since
I created the first covert protection team in the private sector.
One hundred percent covert protection team for our protectees that
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were absolutely high risk global faces around the world, and
they just didn't want to have that ominous presence of
bodyguards around them all the time. And so literally me
and my team went out and looked at the best
of the best resources we had in place, and we
created a new style of protection to where the principals
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could go and live their lifestyle. There's still a valley
lifestyle without being impeded by our need to keep them safe.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's interesting. So you have someone out there who appears
to be unguarded. You guys are everywhere blending into.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
The environment, absolutely absolutely, and it's amazing to be walking
through a crowd and to hear people saying, Oh, here's
so and so. That's so crazy. They don't have any bodyguards,
So that's crazy, you know, And in reality, you know
the team is listening to what they're saying because they're
right next to them.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I imagine that when you're guarding a celebrity or high
profile figure. You know, on one hand, these figures, I
think obviously they may want to be approached by fans
and take photos and be accessible and be who they are.
But at the same time, like, how do you insecurity. Okay,
this guy's just coming up because he wants a picture
an autograph, or this guy intends to do harm, Like,
at what point do you have to step in?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Behavioral science is a major part of what my teams
train on, and that understanding the motives behind the humans
who are doing bad things and how that manifests right.
The human body was designed to do what the human
body does, so when the human body goes again, it's
normal routine and does something bad. There are teletone science,
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there are micro expressions, there's hesitation, there's pauses. They're shifting
all of the body language indications as well as a
plethora of the other things that I won't go into
because I don't want to bore everybody, But those are
what we call pre attack indicators. So we look for
pre attack indicators from everybody in the crowd and guess what.
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It's far more complicated, but that's literally thumbs up, thumb sideways,
thumbs down, and that's how we get ahead of the risk.
That's how we tell somebody bad is trying to do
something bad to our people. We give them up thumbs up,
thumb sideways, or thumbs down.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
That touches on so many other things beyond executive security.
Is just the importance of being able to read other
human beings, and if we just paid a little more
attention and focus in a little bit more, you're absolutely
right the human body. I mean, we're dead giveaways, our
taels are there. I don't care who you are. I
do it all the time. I mean in a jury situation,
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you're trying a case, you're always watching the tells the jury.
I'm watching when they're taking notes, to facial expressions, where
their eyes are going, and you can kind of get
a read on what they're doing. I don't care if
you're playing a sport, I don't care if you're protecting someone,
trying a case, trying to sell something, getting a read
on the person. So just you know, basic human interaction
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and never losing sight of that and remembering, yeah, be
aware of your environment, but also be aware of who
you're with, because it's going to make you more persuasive
and more effective if you know what the other person
is capable of and also at the same time what
their goals are and what their intentions are. Caleb, thank
you so much for coming on. Where can people find
out more about you and learn more about what you do.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yes, White Globe Protection Group dot com or White Globe
Protection either way, that's where we're at. I'm on LinkedIn
ep Caleb or just search for Caleb Gilbert. I'm there.
Appreciate you guys having me on.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Thank you so much, Caleb Gilbert, White Glove Protection. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Hi take care right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
A great idea.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
If you live in a city, nothing good happens after midnight,
Like big Balls, he saved that woman. It was two
am and downtown Washington, d C. What is she doing
at two am?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
What's he doing at two am?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Well, that's true. And again when I when I was young,
when I was in college, and and the bars get
out at one two in the morning, and you think
it's just these old boomers, they have no fun. And
now I'm you know, I guess hypothetically an old boomer
myself and mentally speaking, but I get that, really, nothing,
nothing positive for your life, happens that late at night.
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You're either out drinking, which is obviously a net negative,
or you're in an environment where there are predators. There
are people hiding under the cover of night who seek
to do harm. The big issue is in the criminals
that we're seeing out there taking over entire intersections, roving
like packs. Are young people, and you got to have
curfew enforcement. There's no excuse on the planet for thirteen
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and fourteen year olds to be out that late. We
have to have strong curfew enforcement where they can be
detained and brought back home. I don't necessarily think you
have to put curfew violators through the court system, but
they are taken back home and repeat offenses. The parents
have to be prosecuted for child and neglect. Ooh, that's
a good idea, because what's happening is is these kids.
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A lot of these kids are from fatherless homes. The
mom's like, hey, I'm working or I got other kids
to take care of you. I've got babies at home.
I don't know where the thirteen year old is. You
had them, you're responsible for them, and if that kid's out,
you know, first time, get a warning. Second time, you
got to start coming after these parents for child and
neglect because it is neglectible to have your child out
after darknight, knowing where they are and obviously they're up
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to no good guys. Thank you all for tuning in
at Caleb Gilbert Great guests. Check them out at White
Gloveprotection dot com.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I wonder what he charge.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I wonder if, like I'm taking like a family trip,
I'm like, hey, can you protect me? Probably a lot
of money. I had a client. I actually had a
client who was a former Navy seal, former Blackwater operator
who did executive protection. And the stories they have what
they do here in the US. I mean, we're very
constrained by our laws, but like when they go overseas,
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you have the things that they were able to do.
KK away with that here. I love a lot of
the shipping companies are now hiring private security to shoot pirates. Yeah,
International Water I've seen, but I mean they're sitting there
with their you know whatever. They're using AK forty sevens
for sixteen's you know how, rocket launchers, and they're taking
the skiffs are coming along inside the boat and they're
(33:41):
like piracy by the blow them out of the water.
It's good to see guys. Thank you all for tuning
in and we'll see you next week. Thank you again.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
All right, take care guys, Erica.
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Every Welcome to the Bob and Eric Stave American Podcast.
Monday's Bob and my name's Eric Matheini. Thank you all
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Speaker 4 (01:13):
Bob.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
A lot of people ask, But you guys, hear that
theme song, A lot of people ask. That is Mike Baby.
You know him on X as Miguelifornia. And he was
at the White House this past week with our good
friend Brendan Dilley doing I guess he was there with Beard,
Vet and Brendan, you know, three palas of ours who
have been on the show and we've hung out with
them a whole bunch. I guess they were part of
(01:35):
the White House press corps. You know, Trump has been
bringing more and more new media figures into the Oval Office,
into the press room, kind of shunning CNN and MSNBC
in favor of people who are streamers, podcasters who come
to you in this newer form of media. So it's
always good to see that. But a couple of things
I want to touch on before we bring our guests.
And our guest is standing by first and foremost. Putin
(01:58):
and Trump look like they are on the verge. They're
not quite there yet, but it looks like they are
on the verge of peace. They let's say, they looked
very friendly together. They drove them the beasts together. It's
he said it was a ten meeting, So you know,
what everybody says, all the liberals, I should say, all
(02:19):
the liberals said, oh, you know, Trump is a Putin stooge,
he's coosing up to Putin. I have said this for years.
I don't think it's a bad thing that these two
men respect each other. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I like RuSHA.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I don't think it's a bad thing that these two
men respect each other. And also at the same time,
you know, we're actually looking to put an end to
the conflict, to save lives and to save tax dollars.
Because when Biden was in office and Putin confirmed this,
the only reason that he moved on Ukraine was he
had no fear of American reprisal. We had Joe Biden
(02:54):
in office. He had no fear of Joe Biden. Trump
comes around, and now we're actually getting somewhere where we
can put an end to this. We can stop the
bleeding literally and financially. And the Biden solution and unfortunately
solution of a lot of Republicans, I mean, your Mitch
McConnell's or whatnot, are let's just give Ukraine whatever they want,
whenever they want, without any accountability whatsoever. I think it's
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almost current country in the world too. It is. And
again that's without mentioning all the ties that Biden has
to Ukraine. Remember they put his son on the board
of Verisma in eighty three thousand a month. The guy
can't find his ass with two hands, but somehow he's
an expert in energy. They put him on the board,
paying eighty three grand a month. I think I really
(03:38):
believe it. I think the evidence suggests that Biden was
repaying favors to Ukraine in that endless stream of cash
he was sending to him over that four year period.
Can't argue with that.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
It certainly looks that way.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But other than that, you know, while we're trying to
make peace abroad, we need to focus on making peace
at home. Unless you've been living on Mars, you look around,
you're inundated with content every day. Maybe not in the
physical world, because I think most of us the idea
in life is to live as far away from an impoverished,
(04:14):
crime bridden city center as possible. But those that live
in cities, I think you're seeing They claim that crime
is down, I think reporting of crime is down. You're
seeing very dangerous large large groups of young people thirteen
fourteen years old. Where the hell are the parents? Why
are the parents letting the kids out? Cities becoming very dangerous,
(04:34):
which is why I'm glad that we have this next
guest coming on. I want to introduce to you guys,
Caleb Gilbert. Now, if there's one guy who's an expert
in staying safe, is someone who protects people for a living,
who protects high profile celebrities, high net worth individuals who
have the kind of money to hire a guy like Caleb,
who's going to keep him safe a Caleb is a
(04:55):
founder and president of White Glove Protection Service and a
global subject matter expert in executive protection. So, Caleb, you
can protect executives and guys that have a lot of money,
But what about for regular folk like wor walking down
the street? First and foremost, welcome the show, first time guest.
Before we get into your expertise, how did you get
into executive protection? How does one get into that field?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, I like to say that I was raised by
the industry for the industry because I literally fell in
love with the concept when I first heard about it
when I was sixteen years old, and from then it
was like a light, you know, going off at the time,
I'd wanted to work my way, you know, becoming Navy
seal and was training and doing dive training and that literally,
(05:38):
you know, was doing physical fitness in a park, ran
across some guys who were doing corporate executive protection and
as they say, the rest is history. It's been several decades,
you know, fifty plus countries later, flying three hundred plus
thousand miles a year all around the world with some
amazing people. And you know, you mentioned as the normal
(05:59):
person stay safe. The normal person faces risks just like
ulter a high network individuals, right, but the normal person
can can look for the signs of risk the same
as we do as professionals in the field. So you know,
it's more about awareness, less about having like a secret
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sauce if you will.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I understand that completely. And you know, obviously it's an
interesting field. I've I've known a lot of people who
have done that, a lot of people prior military, prior
law enforcement. Is that where most of your employees are
coming from.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, we're we're eighty five foot percent plus
military law enforcement. We've got a ton of people federal
agents that have that have transitioned over in the last
ten years especially, uh, and so there's there's the industry's
gone through a fundamental shift, and it's really brought a
lot more professionalism, a need for a lot more a
(06:57):
lot more uh, dedicated professionals rather than you know, the
the bodyguard of the eighties and the nineties, if you will,
it was just a knuckle dragger buddy walking next to
you know, XYZ celebrity type of deal.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I would imagine that because the net worth of your target,
your target or I guess your mark or whatever you
guys call them in the industry, the person you're protecting,
they're not only a target for violence, but they're a
target for litigation. So if god forbid, someone gets too
close and one of the bodyguards does something, they're suing
your company. They're suing your employer. I mean, so you also, yes,
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you have to maintain professionalism, not just for the image
and not just to stay out of trouble, but to
protect your your employer from litigation. I imagine that's a
real concern.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Definitely. The last last four years, the term digital executive
protection has surged to the forefront. You know, you look
at the digital risks facing individuals and that ten to one.
You know, the risks are coming in a digital format
and a big part of that is the reputation that
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needs to be defended from you know, sometimes state actors,
sometimes you know, some some guyance grandma's basement in the
middle of Ohio. You know, like the swatting and dock scene,
and all those issues are something we deal with every
single day.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So, you know, transitioning from you know, high net worth
and you know celebrities and just ordinary people living in cities,
I mean, obviously you come across the same news and
the same content we do. Are you seeing an uptick
in violence and just general danger in cities and maybe
you've seen over the past thirty forty.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Years, I would absolutely see. I would absolutely say that
I see an uptak tick in the level of attention
that we're paying to the violence. You know, violence fluctuates.
You look at you look at national trends. You know,
we look at the you know, cap Index score, which
shows what violence is going on where, you know, so
we know every house of our protectees in what neighborhood,
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what the violence levels are, what the comparables are, so
that we can really adjust our risk profile in real time.
Violence is violence. It doesn't matter who's it's it's facing.
The average individual out there is becoming more aware of
the violence around them. Part of that is because we
have more access to information, right, real time data and
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you know, oh there was a mugging two blocks away
from me, and it pops up. Is a news break
on your on your phone at times, right, So I
would say certain areas we definitely have more violence. You see,
there's there's definitely you know, within that violence subsets of
things that have changed, you know, the motivation for violence.
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You know, in order for a bad person to do
bad things, they need to have three things, you know,
the means to do it, the intent to do it,
and the proximity to do whatever it is that they
want to do. And you look at your average street
thug wherever you're at in the world, and if they
have any of those thre recomponents, then they're gonna do
bad things to you know, grandma or an executive, doesn't
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really matter. If they have the means, if they have
the motivation, then somebody is going to be a victim.
You know. So we really take that as the foundation
not only for our protect these but for my family
members for my friends when they're going to Chicago, pay
attention to what's around you and do what you can
do to remove any of those three mechanisms that the
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bad people need to do bad things, and it keeps
you a lot safer.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know what I'm saying. And I'm on the other
side of it. I'm in criminal defense. I've been a prosecutor,
so I see it from the legal side. Once the
violence occurs, the aftermath of it. And one thing that
I've seen, even in my career, which has only spanned
eighteen years from two thousand and seven to now, there
used to be even among the worst of us, even
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among the thugs on the streets, there used to be
some measure of honor that you saw, like, Yeah, we're
going to go attack rival gang members, but we're not
going to shoot up a kid's birthday party, We're not
going to shoot up a funeral, We're not going to
attack innocent people on the street. And even law enforcement
officers that I'm friends with said, Hey, to some degree,
we kind of relied upon that, and we had relationships
(11:11):
with We knew who those shot callers were, and we
had relations and we knew what was going on but
what you see now with the subsequent generations, First and foremost,
they're getting younger, and they're also getting more and more
violent without any trace of empathy or regard for what
they do. You see videos fights breaking out everywhere, three
hundred teams taking over an intersection, doing whatever they want,
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storming into stores, filling up bags and leaving operating with
complete immunity. First and foremost, have you noticed that have
you seen there's a transition from maybe criminals having some
sense of honor to having none, and to the social
and political climate with defunding the police and absolutely demonizing
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law enforcement and criminal prosecution to the point where cities
are like, our hands are tied, we can't do anything,
and now the fox is running the hen house.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yes. Yes, At the end of the day, you look
at the unintended consequences, unintended consequences of efforts that have
been made to you know, help or to adjust or whatnot.
Talk to anybody in law enforcement and they feel the impact,
whether it's whether it's you know, handcuffing their ability to
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fight prime or limiting the scope in which they can
focus their efforts on proven results. I will say that
I worked in the East Coast for many years, and
I remember two thousand and eight running into mobs of
violent teens who literally ran into the corporate headquarters of
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the billionaires we're working for at the time. Mob just
ran in because they wanted to do something, get attention,
get what they wanted, and then they'd run out, right.
So it's not necessarily a new thing. What we're seeing
now is a The news is paying attention to it
because it's front and center in all our minds. But also,
like you said, the individuals who typically are doing these
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things are getting away with them by and large, and
even with all the technology we have, even with all
the tools that are available for security law enforcement to
be able to identify who these individuals are, the consequences
just haven't been there most recently. And you know, at
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the end of the day, that's not sustainable.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It's not sustainable. And again, you know, we can only
speak to certain aspects of it. We can speak to
how to protect people from violence from these sociopaths, from
these these dangerous predators that are getting more dangerous and
are becoming more embolded due to a lack of consequences.
You could talk about the social factors, the economic factors,
no child, I mean eighty to eighty five percent of
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incarcerated juveniles have father in the home. That's an age
old trope. And I don't think the three of us
are going to solve that issue together here today, nor
do I think we have the ability to do that.
But we have the ability to protect ourselves. And one
of the things I see, Caleb, and you know, maybe
it makes me crass, and maybe I've been doing this
too long. I always look at a crime and I
look at the actions of the victim. Now, no one
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deserves to be a victim, we can agree on that,
but you have to look at the actions taken by
the victim and where did you make mistakes? What can
eat even the most innocent victim. There has to be
some measure of theoretical culpability and the decision making you make.
Like walking through Chicago at three in the morning, I
think you're asking for trouble. I no matter who you are,
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walking going to a jazz festival in Cincinnati, I just
I'm sorry. And maybe I'm getting older and maybe I'm
just grouchy. But I live in the suburbs. I live
as far from the city as possible, and that is
on purpose. I don't want to be anywhere close to
a city center. I want to have kind neighbors. I
want to have nicely manicured lawns. I want the HLA
(15:05):
to write my letter a note or my neighbor and
note when the trees aren't tricked. I want some kind
of esthetic standard for my neighborhood. What advice can you
give to people. Let's say you have business. Let's say
you have to go to Washington, DC, or you have
to go to New York. What advice can you give
to people to avoid being a victim?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Awareness is literally the key to doing what you can
to stay safe. It's something that everybody can do right.
Behavioral science has been a large part of my education.
I spent eleven years in academia going through and learning
about safety, security, geopolitical implications of that security. At the
end of the day, all the behavioral science that I've
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focused on boils down to very simple steps. If you
have to go to that meeting at three am, if
you have to go to that event, you know and
you know you going into an area, use your awareness
to maintain a hypervigilant level of attention. Right consciously be
(16:10):
aware that hey, I'm walking into a zone that is
not safe. Beyond that, the actual way that we identify
risk can be can be extremely simple. Some people call
it a gut feeling. Some people call it, you know, intuition,
prompting the Holy spirit, whatever you want to call it.
If you're walking and you see somebody and mentally you think, oh,
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there's a thumbs up. That's a thumbs up. That's a
normal person for this environment. You know, there might be
a ton of drunk people and that's the norm for
that environment and they're all just having fun. That's a
thumbs up. But if you're walking through that environment and
you see somebody that's maybe a thumb sideways, that is
like a checking your spirit. That's that's a check saying
there's the normal for that environment that I'm walking in,
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and this is this is an anomaly, This is different,
and sometimes it's a nuance. But the important thing is
is identifying the difference between thumbs up and thumb sideways,
because if you see a thumb sideways, you pay extra
attention to any of those and if any of the
three components that a bad person needs to do a
bad thing becomes becomes a feasibility. You know that you
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need to escalate your response by running by you know,
whatever it is. As soon as it goes from a
thumb sideways to a thumbs down. Thumbs down for your
normal person just means get out of there right. Something
has changed that that normal environment, even if it's a bar,
even if it's you know, a bunch of you know,
drunk people doing drunk things at three a m. You
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use thumbs down. Just get out of there right, find
a different environment, remove yourself from that situation. That's the
thumbs down. You know, for those of us who protect
that thumbs down absolutely means mitigate the risk you know,
however you need to. But for the average individual, you
know you can run, you can lock yourself into a
safe place. You can, you know, go find a place
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that's safe. The sooner you observe thumb sideways or thumbs down.
As any human being the sumer, you can create time
and distance, which we know from the protection world is
what creates safety for anybody. The richest people in the
world or my grandma walking down the street.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I agree, and I think another thing, especially like you
got to go to an event late at night and
you're walking back to your hotel, you think, oh, it's
just two three blocks first and foremost, you know, get
the cab, get the uber. Travel with people you're with.
If you're with colleagues from work, hey let's take an
uber together. Because ubers, again, can still be dangerous situations.
You don't know who these strangers are that are picking
you up. And you say, the thumb sideways, and I
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like that you said that thumb's down is obvious. You
see some homeless guy, some drunk someone who's aggressive walking
down the street, you're going to turn a walk the
other way. That's without saying. But you cannot operate in
the world. I think that, you know, maybe the way
some of us are raised is like people are generally good.
That's a bunch of horseship. I think at our core
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we are self interested. And I've been in criminal law
long enough to think that every human being out there
either wants to rob me or kill me. And you
have to operate with this guarded fashion. And if you're
walking home somewhere, if you, God forbid, have to go
to one of these cities, and I think personally, if
you're alone, and let's say there's no one to walk
with you. You're walking. Anytime there's a group, I don't
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care if it's a group of thirteen year olds hanging out.
I don't care if it's a group of you know,
frat guys who are drunk. When people get in groups,
Caleb and you know, they get emboldened by each other.
They may be individually, they may be fine, harmless people,
but you get five, six, ten of them in a group,
they want to impress each other. They want to show
their bravado. Let's go mess with this guy and next thing,
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you know, I don't care how tough. I don't care
how trained you are. Ten on one man, you know
you're outmatched. I don't care how tough you are. I
think you see that you go the other way, double back,
walk around in the other direction. I don't care. Avoid
groups at all costs.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Create time and distance, right, because the level of motivation
for those groups dissipates very quickly as soon as they
get away from the groups, unless they're fixated on you
because you've engaged them in one way or another. If
you start creating time and distance, they don't want to
leave the pack. They don't want to leave the safety
of the other people who are like minded, who are
emboldening them to act, you know, act a certain way,
(20:27):
and so creating time and distance soon as soon as
you identify it literally will save lives.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It absolutely will and again, and this is predominantly for
the men, because we are prideful creatures and we all
think that we're you know, big swinging dicks, and we're
tough and we could take on the world. And sometimes
you get in a situation where someone says something unkind.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I think if.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You're you got to have the wherewithal and you got
to have the ability to disregard that and walk away.
Someone could say something insulting, they could be bothered you,
but not engaging with that and separating yourself is going
to pay dividends the long win first and foremost. You know,
this is the modern age, and I speak from a
legal perspective. There are cameras everywhere, Like the days of
(21:12):
getting in bar fights are over. Like you're not just
going to go like duke it out with someone, you
bust someone's lip and go home. There's going to be
law enforcement, there's going to be lawsuits, there's going to
be things happening. People don't just forget about it. We
don't live in that time period anymore. We have to
get out of that. And you have to understand that, Yes,
I know what your core. You're a man, you're a caveman,
(21:33):
you're big, tough guy. But you also have a home,
you have a family, you have things that are worth value.
And is it really worth some guy comes up and
calls you a name, and you take one swing and
he falls and he cracks his head open, has a
brain bleeding, dies and you're going to prison. It's not
worth it. So I think an ounce of prevention is
certainly worth more than a pound of cure in this.
(21:55):
But I'm wondering, you know, transitioning back.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
To what you do.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So when you're you're protecting someone, you've got to travel
with someone, You're you're traversing through foreign countries, Like what
is the landscape? Because we know when the president's being protected,
secret Service can go out there ahead of time, they
know the routes, they they're there on the ground. Do you, guys,
if you're if you're guarding someone, let's say someone, money
is not an issue. They have all the money in
the world. You're guarding them. How do you take someone
(22:21):
to a foreign country. How do you navigate unforeseen landscapes
like that?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, you know, just like the city service, we call
it advance planning, right, We got people there in advance
running the routes, looking at the choke points. We call
them any situation, any any point that could be dangerous
to the to the safety or the transit of of
our protectees. You know, the steps that we take, whether
(22:49):
whether large or small, will vastly depend on the level
of threat facing each protectee. And that's why, you know,
a lot of people don't realize the executive protection industry
is driven by intelligence and the day to day operations
that people actually see in the field is the executive
protection agents who are the face of the team. But
behind each of us, we have an army of global
(23:11):
security operations centers. We have a full intelligence team that's
feeding us real time data, letting us know that if
the risk level has changed and we need to adjust
our protective posture to meet the risk. That's that's the
big challenge in the executive protection world is risk changes
so frequently, and we see from from from recent instances
(23:35):
in the news. How when teams haven't pivoted to be
able to scale to the risk facing their protectees or
facing their sites. How you know, you can oftentimes fall
short of the response that we would like to see.
And that's that's what wakes me up in the morning
and inspires me to go out there and find better ways,
(23:56):
new ways to do things, and more fact of ways
to keep people safe.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
One thing I want to ask you, I think a
lot of people are wondering. We talked about breaches and
security and failure. I think the greatest breach in security
that we all remember happened a year ago last summer
in Butler, Pennsylvania, when President Trump, who was not yet
the forty seventh president, but having been the forty fifth president,
having been the candidate, he had Secret Service protection and
(24:23):
someone was able to get on a roof within rifle
shot and but Fordham turning his head, he would be dead.
When you look at what happened there from a tactical standpoint,
irrespective of politics and irrespective of who that person is
on the stage, what were the failures and how did
that happen? Because there was a shooter's platform within rifle
(24:44):
shot and it was not guarded. Where were the failures
there and what should happen as a result of that,
because obviously the president, whoever he is, needs to be
the most protected person on the planet.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
You know, that situation was the most productive learning opera
unity for the protection industry as a whole since Reagan,
in my opinion. You know, the pluthora of lessons that
that has taught us appropriate people, appropriate timing, appropriate resources,
appropriate collaboration. All of those are are just touching on
(25:17):
the takeaways that have been publicly disclosed. To be perfectly candid,
I don't think that we know at this stage in
time what the actual failures were that led to it,
so I would be irresponsible to comment beyond that. But
I can absolutely say that that has fundamentally changed the
(25:39):
way that my teams train, the way that we look
at where we're going to allocate our resources. You look
at you look at the playbook that the Secret Service
follows right, and it's and it's tested and proven over
time globally. They do the same thing day in day out,
just like a lot of other government agencies, and how
they do it, how they improve, and how they use
(25:59):
their recent sources to protect you know, the most sought
after person of the world by the farious actors. Right,
they operate from proven results, It's been proven over time. Right.
In the private sector, we've had to take and pivot
on that because we don't have the luxury of having
(26:21):
an entire large team like the Secret Service does all
the time, and so we've had to take and be
very selective about, all, right, how can we maximize our
ability to mitigate risk for our protectees without spending billions
of dollars a year on the protective measures in place.
And one of the things that you absolutely see in
(26:42):
the private sector is a fluctuation of resources. So we
build teams that are scalable. If the threat is higher,
if you're going to a higher risk area, then we
need to scale up. We need to add appropriate risk
mitigation measures to those teams, and then if they're an
area that we've deemed to be less less dangerous, then
(27:03):
we scale it down. Right. The techniques are the same,
the things that we use the same, and typically the
level of visibility to the general public remains the same.
But you know, it's been almost fifteen years before since
I created the first covert protection team in the private sector.
One hundred percent covert protection team for our protectees that
(27:26):
were absolutely high risk global faces around the world, and
they just didn't want to have that ominous presence of
bodyguards around them all the time. And so literally me
and my team went out and looked at the best
of the best resources we had in place, and we
created a new style of protection to where the principals
(27:46):
could go and live their lifestyle. There's still a valley
lifestyle without being impeded by our need to keep them safe.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's interesting. So you have someone out there who appears
to be unguarded. You guys are everywhere blending into.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
The environment, absolutely absolutely, and it's amazing to be walking
through a crowd and to hear people saying, Oh, here's
so and so. That's so crazy. They don't have any bodyguards,
So that's crazy, you know, And in reality, you know
the team is listening to what they're saying because they're
right next to them.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I imagine that when you're guarding a celebrity or high
profile figure. You know, on one hand, these figures, I
think obviously they may want to be approached by fans
and take photos and be accessible and be who they are.
But at the same time, like, how do you insecurity. Okay,
this guy's just coming up because he wants a picture
an autograph, or this guy intends to do harm, Like,
at what point do you have to step in?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Behavioral science is a major part of what my teams
train on, and that understanding the motives behind the humans
who are doing bad things and how that manifests right.
The human body was designed to do what the human
body does, so when the human body goes again, it's
normal routine and does something bad. There are teletone science,
(29:06):
there are micro expressions, there's hesitation, there's pauses. They're shifting
all of the body language indications as well as a
plethora of the other things that I won't go into
because I don't want to bore everybody, But those are
what we call pre attack indicators. So we look for
pre attack indicators from everybody in the crowd and guess what.
(29:27):
It's far more complicated, but that's literally thumbs up, thumb sideways,
thumbs down, and that's how we get ahead of the risk.
That's how we tell somebody bad is trying to do
something bad to our people. We give them up thumbs up,
thumb sideways, or thumbs down.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
That touches on so many other things beyond executive security.
Is just the importance of being able to read other
human beings, and if we just paid a little more
attention and focus in a little bit more, you're absolutely
right the human body. I mean, we're dead giveaways, our
taels are there. I don't care who you are. I
do it all the time. I mean in a jury situation,
(30:04):
you're trying a case, you're always watching the tells the jury.
I'm watching when they're taking notes, to facial expressions, where
their eyes are going, and you can kind of get
a read on what they're doing. I don't care if
you're playing a sport, I don't care if you're protecting someone,
trying a case, trying to sell something, getting a read
on the person. So just you know, basic human interaction
(30:25):
and never losing sight of that and remembering, yeah, be
aware of your environment, but also be aware of who
you're with, because it's going to make you more persuasive
and more effective if you know what the other person
is capable of and also at the same time what
their goals are and what their intentions are. Caleb, thank
you so much for coming on. Where can people find
out more about you and learn more about what you do.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yes, White Globe Protection Group dot com or White Globe
Protection either way, that's where we're at. I'm on LinkedIn
ep Caleb or just search for Caleb Gilbert. I'm there.
Appreciate you guys having me on.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Thank you so much, Caleb Gilbert, White Glove Protection. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Hi take care right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
A great idea.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
If you live in a city, nothing good happens after midnight,
Like big Balls, he saved that woman. It was two
am and downtown Washington, d C. What is she doing
at two am?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
What's he doing at two am?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Well, that's true. And again when I when I was young,
when I was in college, and and the bars get
out at one two in the morning, and you think
it's just these old boomers, they have no fun. And
now I'm you know, I guess hypothetically an old boomer
myself and mentally speaking, but I get that, really, nothing,
nothing positive for your life, happens that late at night.
(31:44):
You're either out drinking, which is obviously a net negative,
or you're in an environment where there are predators. There
are people hiding under the cover of night who seek
to do harm. The big issue is in the criminals
that we're seeing out there taking over entire intersections, roving
like packs. Are young people, and you got to have
curfew enforcement. There's no excuse on the planet for thirteen
(32:08):
and fourteen year olds to be out that late. We
have to have strong curfew enforcement where they can be
detained and brought back home. I don't necessarily think you
have to put curfew violators through the court system, but
they are taken back home and repeat offenses. The parents
have to be prosecuted for child and neglect. Ooh, that's
a good idea, because what's happening is is these kids.
(32:30):
A lot of these kids are from fatherless homes. The
mom's like, hey, I'm working or I got other kids
to take care of you. I've got babies at home.
I don't know where the thirteen year old is. You
had them, you're responsible for them, and if that kid's out,
you know, first time, get a warning. Second time, you
got to start coming after these parents for child and
neglect because it is neglectible to have your child out
after darknight, knowing where they are and obviously they're up
(32:52):
to no good guys. Thank you all for tuning in
at Caleb Gilbert Great guests. Check them out at White
Gloveprotection dot com.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I wonder what he charge.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I wonder if, like I'm taking like a family trip,
I'm like, hey, can you protect me? Probably a lot
of money. I had a client. I actually had a
client who was a former Navy seal, former Blackwater operator
who did executive protection. And the stories they have what
they do here in the US. I mean, we're very
constrained by our laws, but like when they go overseas,
(33:21):
you have the things that they were able to do.
KK away with that here. I love a lot of
the shipping companies are now hiring private security to shoot pirates. Yeah,
International Water I've seen, but I mean they're sitting there
with their you know whatever. They're using AK forty sevens
for sixteen's you know how, rocket launchers, and they're taking
the skiffs are coming along inside the boat and they're
(33:41):
like piracy by the blow them out of the water.
It's good to see guys. Thank you all for tuning
in and we'll see you next week. Thank you again.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
All right, take care guys, Erica.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You do keep America. We'll keep America. Agree, How keep America?
You keep America, will keep Americal agree
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