Gunther Eagleman Discusses Epstein's Clientele and the Implications of Trump's Clash with Zelensky​

Gunther Eagleman comes on to discuss the Epstein Client List and Ukraine White House meeting with Zelenskyy.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can you keep America?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We'll keep them?

Speaker 1 (00:03):
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keep a man? Could Gray.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Ah keep Americ? Jeep Amersica? Well jeep AMV congree.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to the Bob and Eric Save America Podcast. My
name is yeah, my name is Eric Pathini. Thank you
all for tuning in. It is great to be here,
Great to be with all of you on this Saturday.
A lot to discuss. I want to right into it
with one of our favorite regular commentator special guests. Needs
no introduction. Is it Gunther? It's gun It's it's a

(00:47):
good day when you got Gunther on the show, and Gunther,
I thought I would see you the other day standing
in front of the White House holding up an Epstein binder.
Did you not get the call?

Speaker 4 (00:59):
I did not get to call.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I have I didn't I didn't get to call either.
And here's the thing for those of you who don't know,
and I'm sure most of you do, the Epstein release
was kind of bungled. And uh, you know, it's not
a matter of like hurt feelings or anything like that.
If you criticize something and say, well it was it
was a bungled release to give these influencers, guys and

(01:22):
girls I have nothing against who I respect and love
their work, and look to his sources of information before
I turn on the news. But Pam Bondi says she's
gonna release the Epstein information. She goes on Jesse Waters.
We're all anticipating gunthrough. You and I are messaging each other, going,
this is gonna be huge. Can't wait for the break
and you bring you a Jack Pasovic and Rogan o'hanley

(01:42):
and all these folks over to and Chad Pray, the
bob our friend, Chad Prather, he would I didn't know
he was gonna be there. They go to the White
House and they hand them these binders. They come out
holding them up, and it's really kind of a nothing burger.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Laura Lumer was very upset about it, and people were saying, Oh,
it's sour Brakes. You're angry you weren't invited. If you
a big following or you're considered influencer, you know you're
mad because you weren't there. I don't think that's the case.
Come through the optics of it. I just I thought, honestly,
the one word I can use to describe it was
just unnecessary.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
What do you think without a doubt? First, let's go
back to for a minute. I'm not mad at any
of the influencers like you're saying. I think they did
what they were supposed to do, and they were actually
invited there for an influencers summit. They had no idea
that they were getting the first phase of the Epstein.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
List from what I was told.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
And then on top of that, they were let out
the door to where the media was to take photo
ops with Mere Starmer while he was visited. So when
they opened the door and was sent out, they were
bombarded with pictures of the Epstein file. So it was
almost like the DOJ might have had was setting them

(02:56):
up a little bit. Well, maybe that's the case. And look, yeah,
and I want to be the first to say as
well as you that. You know, look, if the President
calls you and says, hey, we want you in Washington,
you go, you go. That's I don't care who you are,
you go. The optics of it, I mean, look, conservatives,
at the end of the day, I'm kind of of
two minds of it. Yeah, I think it was just kind.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Of unnecessary and noise or we don't need the distraction,
but it paints a bigger picture that we in the
conservative movement, despite all the winnings. Sometimes you know, it's
like we got to take a step back and relax
and not be so quick to attack each other and
not be so quick to create dissension in the movement. Look,
it was a stupid thing, It was unnecessary. Will we

(03:41):
survive it, will we move past it? Absolutely? I think
the bright side to it is we actually have an
administration that is actively trying to get this information out
to the public. Mind you Epstein Island, mind you. You
know the prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein took place in hom
Beach County in two thousand and eight. He was famously
indicted and then died in his cell. It's a few
years back. But the point is this has been going

(04:01):
on for a long time. Many administrations have ignored it.
We finally have a president who's making it a priorities
and I think that's the bright side we have to
look at. Pam Bondy said the other night on Jesse
Waters that the reason there was the delay is they
were redacting victim information, which is a former prosecutor is paramount.
There are names of people in there whose identities should
be protected and their names should be redacted. But but, but,

(04:24):
but what we're finding out now, Gunther, is that the
Southern District of New York is actively obstructing Pam Bondy
and Cash Betell's efforts to obtain this information.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
What are you hearing about this? Well, I'm here the
same thing I'm waiting to hear back from. I think
Pam Bondi owes the country some sort of press conference
saying yes, we're able to retrieve the documents at the
SDNY or no, we were still waiting for him at
the sdn Y. I think now that they tried to
make it somewhat transparent, they have to make it fully transparent.

(04:57):
There's too many questions out there.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
We need.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
What's that? But when are we gonna see Phase one
that they handed out at the end of the day.
I agree, I agree, I don't think.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
I don't think we will unless Pam Bondi gets a
little bit more transparent.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And I'm not.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
I know Pam Bondi has a lot on her plate
in an uphill battle. Just stepped into the position I'm
not I'm not blaming her. I just she came out
the night before on Hannity saying, Hey, we're gonna show
you stuff that's gonna blow your mind basically, and then
we get that and now everyone's in them but waiting

(05:34):
for answers, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I kind of it reminds me of you when when
Adam Schiff used to go on TV every weekend and say, well,
you see what the Mueller investigation brings. We have tons
of evidence, we can't even begin to talk about it,
and it turned out to be a big nothing burger.
We on the other side, can be guilty of that.
I like Pam Bondi. She was a Hermie general in
my state. She did a wonderful job. We used to
back around like two thousand and nine twenty ten, we

(05:57):
were the prescription drug trafficking capital of this country. People
would come down from Tennessee, Ohio. You'd see the plates.
You'd always go to like a pain clinic, and you'd
see Tennessee and Ohio plates outside because these people would
come down get oxycott and prescriptions, go clinic to clinic
to clinic, and then take it back home. And we
were known for that. And she came in and she
cleaned that up, and you don't see that anymore. So

(06:18):
she gets credit for doing a lot with drug trafficking.
Human trafficking really brought our crime rate down. But yeah,
I think you're right gut there. I think she owes
an explanation to the people she's been saying that they're
going to release the information and just give the American
people an idea of what to expect in a realistic timeline.
And to those who want things done immediately and to
your exact specifications, please understand that government doesn't work that way.

(06:41):
Nothing in life works that way. Donald Trump for the
last forty five days, has been on a tear. He's winning.
He is establishing American dominance on the world stage once again.
If we'll get to in a minute. But the Epstein stuff,
you understand that there are a lot of names in
that book that are on both sides of the aisle.
There are a lot of names in that book that
are very powerful, that are very well connected, and are

(07:05):
using those connections to obstruct this information from coming out.
I put out a post the other day. You know
how many billionaires and celebrities are calling the congressmen of
the senators that they own saying, Hey, what do I
pay you for put an end to this? You better
believe you know, we talk about the smoke filled rooms
and like how the world is operated, A lot of
people who sit in those smoke filled rooms are on

(07:26):
that list. So they are doing everything in their power
and they're pulling the strings that they can to slow
walk this the best they can. So Cash, Mattel and Pamboni,
I know we've said it for a long time, and
now Dan Bongino, God bless, they all have their work
cut out from I think if there are people within
the government who are actively obstructing an investigation and fulfilling
a promise to the American people to disclose this information,

(07:49):
which is a huge public importance, Guthar, I think that
drastic measures need to be taken. I mean, these people,
whether you're in the Department of Justice, whether you're a
field agent in the district in New York, you serve
with the pleasure of the president, specifically with that district,
which has given us a lot of problems, and namely
James Comey's daughter is a big wig over there.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Bondi and Patel and Bongino need to be doing with
these rogue agents who are jeopardizing this investigation.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Well, the firstly you have to get one. You know
they always say sacrifice a sheep, or sacrifice the lamb
or whatever that's saying.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Is they have to go in.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
They have to set an example publicly of one of
the rogue agents. Publicly, arrest them, publicly shame them, get
them Montreal and show them we're not going to handle it.
Make a statement this this doesn't go for the next
four years. Everyone's going to jail. Anyone part of the
corruption is going to jail. They have to set the example.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
There's there's got to be punishment because these people have
been operating with impunity for so long that they think
they're bulletproof. But that's that's coming to an end, and
I think the information is going to come out. It
does take time. Nothing's over night. Rome wasn't built in
a day. But we have an administration for the very
first time is actively taking an interest in this. Mind you,
you know, this has been going on since the Bush administration,

(09:09):
and we didn't even know who Epstein was until a
couple of years ago. A lot of the people who
have tremendous power both culturally, financially, politically are entrenched in this.
And there's a thousand conspiracy theories going around with Epstein
working for the FBI? Was he working for Masad? Was
this a big blackmail operation so people can gain leverage.

(09:30):
I have a video of you on Epstein Island doing
things that if they found out, your life would be over.
Do what I say or else this becomes public. Who knows?
But the point is if if this is going on
at the highest levels of our society, the American people
have a right to know, because draining the swamp doesn't
stop with Washington, d C. It stops. It goes all

(09:50):
the way to ridding our society of these influenced peddlers,
of these people who carry tremendous weight and who own
politicians and have an impact on the way he is
carried out because of their money and influence. And if
those people are off committing horrific crimes against children, the
American people have an absolute right to know. But gun
there you said it, accountability, arrest, fear, fear with a

(10:13):
spectacle of gruesome acts. If not for fear, these people
are going to continue, and they're gonna think the threats Areumpty,
they're gonna say how Donald Trump's not gonna do anything
to me.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
I've been operating with impunity for twenty five years. Yeah,
you got Adam Shift sitting in California somewhere going hah.
They're not arresting anyone. They're not taking this serious. I
don't have to worry about my crimes committed.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
They have to make too.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well that's that's yeah, and that's that's what needs to happen.
I want to shift gears for a minute and talk
about something that we should all be taking a victory
lap over, and the left is losing its mind. The
absolute spanking that Vladimir Zelensky was given in the White
House yesterday. Gunth you saw this. We all saw this.

(10:59):
I mean, it's a breath of fresh air to watch
an American president stand up to somebody like that who
came into the Oval Office, the Oval Office, the seat
of American power, in a sweater and then yelling at
Trump saying like we demand this. You have an ocean,
but you're gonna feel it first and foremost. Zelensky, We're

(11:22):
not gonna feel a damn thing. What your problems with Russia.
We don't have a problem with Russia. Say what you
will about Putin, call him a son of a bitch.
I don't care. I don't think about Putin twice in
any given day. He's not a threat to our interests.
And as a pure nationalist my opinion, and if I
were king of the world, I would govern this way

(11:43):
if it doesn't affect American interests. I just don't care.
Now here's the thing, and I know the haters and
the left, we're gonna go, oh, but Putin's doing these
horrible things. He's killing civilians, he's committing atrocities. If that
is your argument, then we have about one hundred and
ninety six wars we need to wage immediately. Hey, you
guys want to talk about Sudan. You guys want to
talk about Rwanda? How about the Democratic Republic of the Condo.

(12:05):
I'll sit back for a minute to give people an
opportunity to google those countries or look them up on
a map. You have no idea what's going on there. Atrocities,
horrible war crimes, strong men, dictators, invasions. Nobody cares why
because there's no money to be made. You understand that
we have two global interests in the world, the Middle
East and Ukraine right now. The Middle East oil, that's

(12:28):
an easy one. Ukraine the money wandering, the schemes that
they perpetrate, the fraud, the corruption, because conciousmen and women
are getting rich. We saw it with Joe Biden, we
saw with Hunter and Barisma. We've seen it with our
own eyes. So for the left to sit there and go,
you heartless sons of bitches, you're you're shilling for Putin.
Putin's committing atrocities. Yes, Putin might be committing atrocities, but

(12:50):
there's two hundred other dictators that are doing it. What
is the criteria for our involvement? You're a Putin lover, Eric,
I can hear you know what I don't.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Here's the thing and call me. The story of history,
the story of mankind since we climb down from trees
onto the African plane, has been human beings being shitty
to other human beings. There's a very famous, very famous saying,
I don't speak Polish, but if you're Polish is a
Polish man always has a shovel in one hand and

(13:23):
a sword in the other, because you're always rebuilding and
you're always defending. Because you've been conquered god knows how
many times over the course of your history. That's why
those countries have the strongest borders Poland, Hungary, because they've
been conquered from everyone from the Nazis to the Mongols
to the Soviets. When you've constantly been entrenched in that,

(13:46):
you have a very different opinion about immigration. That's a
different issue. But the point I'm trying to make is
that humans are going to naturally be shitty to other humans.
We're always going to be greedy, We're always going to
fall victim. We're frail beings. We can't help ourselves. But
that's not a criteria for us to invest our time
and money of resources bus you and you know, hopefully

(14:08):
never American lives in your conflict. I'm sorry there's conflict
between Ukraine and Russia. I'm sorry there is. Frankly, for
all those virtue signaling countries going we stand with Ukraine.
That's great. I hope you stand with Ukraine. You're more
at risk than we are. A lot da you're more
at risk than we are. Lithuania, Slavinia, Poland. Why don't
you send your own money, send your own military equipment,

(14:29):
over there. We're far away over here. Russia has neither
the military capability nor the desire to do anything to us,
So why should we care? Is it a sense of humanity?
I mean, then, then where does our generosity stop. We've
already given the guy two hundred billion dollars. Where did
that money go? That's the low estimate. How do you

(14:50):
can you account for where that money went? Can you
account for where that military equipment went? And I grew
up gun there and Bob. I grew up at the
time of Gulf War, and I remember coming home from
school and putting on the news and I saw war footage.
This is the only war in existence. I've never seen
any war footage. I saw footage from Iraq, Afghanistan, any

(15:11):
ship the Falkland Islands, I've never What's the only thing
I see out of Ukraine? I see billionaires on yachts.
I see nightclubs, and I have seen his wife posing
for Vogue.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
Where's the war? It's it's it's all for money. It's
all for money. And you know what, go back to
yesterday in the Oval office. I just got a phone
with Rep. Tim Burchett from Tennessee and we were talking
and he made a statement. What we saw yesterday was
the heart of America, through Trump and Vance. And that's

(15:45):
no matter what the media is trying to spend, no
matter what the heart of America does not want to
be involved in this war and no longer supports this war.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
How about.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
That was great?

Speaker 4 (15:57):
That was great.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
Jad got my end horseman three and a half years
before the election.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yesterday, I gotta I gotta tell you something that that's very,
very telling, and you guys will back me up on this.
So Donald Trump, obviously, you know, the biggest ego in
any room. Obviously he's the man, He's the alpha. But
did you see the way he kind of sat back
and let JD do his thing, Like he let he
let JD take the lead on that. That is a

(16:23):
ringing endorsement. Is it not a big time, big time
He was like, I can let him handle it. I
don't I could sit back and let him handle it,
when maybe only with his own children, has he ever
been willing to take a back seat. I think he
sees in JD his heir apparent. I think he sees
this guy is young, he's dynamic, he has the ability

(16:46):
and time after time because remember you know, JD was
only a junior senator. We really didn't know much about him.
We've kind of gotten to know him over the last
couple of years, and when Trump picked him and Bob,
you and I talked about this open him, but he
wasn't my first choice. But you know, I trust Trump's
judge made the right decision.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yes, totally. How about Mark or Rubio kicking ass too?
I mean, who had that in their bingo car? And
I thought he was a pussy? Yeah, Rubio's never impressed me.
Rubio will always be sort of milk toast. And look,
let me let me put it this way. I'm not
taking anything away from the guy.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
You folks have to realize that, like the boring milk toast,
policy wonks are the guys that like day to day
get shit done. If everybody were a Trump, if everybody
were walking down hallways and blowing the doors off the hinges,
nothing would get done because it would just be a
battle of ego. You gotta have you have a CEO. Okay,
what's the hallmark of a great CEO. Surround yourself with

(17:39):
people that are smarter than you, that are better than you,
that can do the job you have the leadership quality.
That's Trump in a nutshell, and he had personal problems
his first time around, but I think this time with
the cabinet he's gotten I mean it really could. We
could have sat here a year ago and just playing
like fantasy, what's our fantasy cabinet. It couldn't have come
out any better than has come out. Right, It's really amazing.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
It's a dream team.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
In one thousand percent is a dream team, and these
are the guys going to get it done. And I
really think his most monumental picks. I mean heg seth RFK,
but really Cash Patel and Dan Bongino because the FBI,
remember Sean Hannity was very he was very fond of saying,
it's not the rank and file, it's the leadership. It's

(18:28):
a bunch of bullshit. The leadership now is Bongino and
Cash Pttel. It's the rank and file, it's the it's
the career bureaucrats. That's what the deep state is. Everyone
thinks deep states the elected politicians, the deep states, the
career politicians or the career employees who are unelected, the
unelected bureaucracy. That kind of gets in and sli there's

(18:48):
a little tentacles in the government and is able to
control things. But that's exactly what we're dealing with with
the FBI. So it's not the leadership that's correct. It
is the rank and file, and I think they have
their work cut out for them. But seeing that on
TV and for the last couple of years, you're just
an aside. So I actually just finished my taxes for
last year and I actually just paid my last payment

(19:11):
to the IRS for what I owed them for twenty
twenty three, which was maybe you could buy you could
buy a beautiful S class Mercedes. And I remember calling
my accountant like livid and like, what the hell is
going on? Why do I owe so much? And his
only response, that I've really never gotten into politics with,

(19:33):
was just like Ukraine, Like that's what Ukraine, that's what
you're paying for. And every time I see Zelenski in
a sweatshirt like these miss the president we need, Like
every time I see him, I just think, you are
taking food off my table, You are taking money out
of my account, You are taking from my children for
what what are what is what is the benefit to us,

(19:57):
Bob and Gutro, What is the benefit to us.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
His wife's.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
His wife, his wife Smugatti, his house in Golden Beach,
here is in South Florida. But I'll tell you something,
you know, and call me crude, call me callous. I
I just unless there's upside potential for the US, unless
there's a benefit for us, it's not our business. It's
just not our business. Like I said in the beginning

(20:22):
of the show, atrocity is notwithstanding that happens, He's gonna
sign that mineral deal yesterday, but he got thrown out and.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
He's ready to sign it again now for the fourth time.
But I say, fuck him, no deal, We're done.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think, yeah, I think, I think one hundred percent.
You know, the Lindsay's got to remember he has no
leverage in this negotiation done whatsoever, because Trump is not
beholden to him. Biden had had significant financial hies to Ukraine,
obviously through his son brokering the deal. A ten percent
of the big guy eighty three thousand dollars a month

(21:05):
for a no show job on an energy board. So
Biden had his his ties to Ukraine. And I always
used to talk about this. I feel like it didn't
get a lot of attention. But his willingness to just
cut a check to Zelensky anytime he asked, you have
to ask where did his personal financial dealings in Ukraine?
Is that the quid pro quote? Is that the tit

(21:26):
for tat? You know, you put my son on an
eighty three thousand dollars a month job ten percent for
the big guy. And remember Zolensky was the one that
Trump contacted in twenty nineteen said hey, I want you
to look into the Biden family. I want you to
look into what they're doing, their influence pedaling in your country.
And what happened Trump for that impeachment number one. Yeah,
so there's no interest in atrocities that are happening anywhere

(21:49):
else in the world, but the left and the media.
You know, it's that programming they you know, take out
your trans flag and put in your Ukraine flag. It's
just swap one for the other. And oh my god,
you know, hands across America for Ukraine. There's no hands
across America for the Congo. There's no hands across America
for pseud I am why, I just don't understand how
we pick and choose our atrocities and money.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
How about our Democrat leaders who are actually defending Zolensky,
praising Zelenski and saying Trump was the embarrassment in America yesterday.
If you're an American politician advocating for a Ukrainian dictator

(22:34):
or leader, whatever you want to call him, over the
president of the United States, you're a fucking un American.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Well you know that's that's the Left for you, and
they'll take the side of anybody over Trump. But that
that brand of politics, though, if you look at it culturally,
is losing a lot of steam. You know, the Democrats,
we talked about this a lot last week, Bob. The
Democrats have to look to the future and I want
a viable Democrat party. We need two party system. We

(23:01):
need opposition. We need people to hold us accountable and
challenge our ideas and make its sharper, make it better.
You don't want to have one party rule indefinitely. But
they they are conquered people gun there. They don't have
anything in the pipeline. I mean, even when we lost
twenty twenty, we we had you know, we didn't know
if Trump was gonna run again, but if he didn't,

(23:22):
we had you know, DeSantis. There are other people that
we saw that could take that position the Democrats. What
are the Democrats gonna do? They're gonna run Kambala Harris again,
is that the plan? Mark Cuban, Are you serious?

Speaker 4 (23:37):
I've heard that well.

Speaker 6 (23:39):
I saw it on a post that he was like
the fourth favorite to run for the Democrat nominee.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
He probably would run. He's got the.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, Oh my god, no, it's uh nobody.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
They're out of people.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
They're out, They're out of people, and they're losing. You know,
the greatest thing to come out of twenty four the
election was the death of Woke. That died a long
overdue death. I mean, Wolk was like laying in the bed,
you know, throwing their juice cups at the hospice and nurse.
So we're just waiting for the time, come on, Woke,
go already. And it took about ten years and it

(24:16):
finally went. And Americans are really coming back the other way.
And we see that culturally, we see that the way
opinions have shifted, and I don't know if it's necessarily
opinions have shifted. I think the ability to express the
opinion is now more tolerable than it was five years ago.
Things that you can say now that you wouldn't have
said five years ago for risk of losing your job.
Now you're willing to say. But the Democrats have to

(24:37):
embrace the fact that that wokeness is dead and that
opening their doorso was one of the worst things they
ever did, and getting back to the center and getting
back to issues that Americans care about. Our involvement in
Ukraine is unpopular. Americans don't want to work hard and
have that withholding from their paycheck go to fund some
oligarch's war effort in a country none of us have

(24:57):
ever seen and probably never will. So it's a highly
unpopular war. I don't know what they're gonna do. I
mean jd Vance, Yeah, if he announces he's running on
I Uh, he's a sharp guy.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
It was impressive watching him, watching him take the take
the lead in that meeting yesterday and and without hesitation,
dropped the camera.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Howbout bringing that? How about bringing up Desanta's wife running
for governor?

Speaker 4 (25:29):
And uh Trump endorsed to Byron.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
That's gonna be a big deal.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
That will be well.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
I'm getting I'm starting to get some d ms in
my inbox asking me, what what do you think? What
do you think DeSantis's wife Byron Donald. Guys, let's let's
see who gets in the race.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have an opinion yet I
have And again, I have nothing against Ron DeSantis. He's
been a phenomenal governor. Absolutely love him, Absolutely love the
job he's done. I did not like seeing him challenge
Trump in the primary for number of reasons. One, I
just thought we needed a more unified front, and two
I knew the damage he'd be doing his career by

(26:08):
doing that. You don't turn your back on MAGA. MAGA
is a fiercely loyal base. And I think that had
DeSantis kind of read the tea leaves a little bit
better and not done that, I think he would he
might have even been the VP pick, I think, And
I think he would have been high on the list.
And DeSantis is very talented, and he's got a lot

(26:30):
He's a lot like Jade Vans. Jd Vance has a
lot more personality in charisma than DeSantis does. But DeSantis
is smart, capable, and is a huge asset to the
conservative movement. But I think that he did a lot
of damage to himself by challenging Trump. And then yeah,
so that makes things that. Now his wife running for governor,
I'd have no problem voting for nothing against Casey DeSantis.

(26:52):
If she ran against Byron Donald's, I'd probably go for
Donald's over her. But I think just the DeSantis name
Conservatives has been a little bit tainted based on that.
And you know, it's a shame too, because I think
DeSantis Trump in twenty twenty four, DeSantis in twenty twenty eight,
I heard a lot of people talking about, and now
I don't know that's gonna happen. However, what I would

(27:14):
like to see is so DeSantis's term ends in twenty
twenty six, I would like to see when he's out
of the governorship, I'd like to see Trump bring him
into the administration in some sort of role for the
remaining two years. And then, you know, if you have
you could have advance DeSantis ticket, because keep in mind,
DeSantis is forty five, forty six years old. He's still
a young man. Even if you have a JD who's

(27:37):
forty one, you give JD two terms, DeSantis could be
president in twenty thirty six. Yeah, you know, he's he'll be,
He'll be what he'll be in his mid fifties.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
He'd be a very team.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
And I always you know, I.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Thought, don Junior, you know, when, when's he gonna get
into the race. He's not. He's but in his mid forties.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
I think he's itching to get out.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
To be honest with you, I hope. So I think
he's I think he's fantastic. But you know, hey, big
things ahead. I do think that everything's going to go
well with the Epstein. I think we're going to get
to the bottom of it. If there is obstruction, I
think it will be dealt with. I don't think we're
dealing with an administration that is going to gaslight and stonewall.
These are good people, These are patriotic Americans. They are

(28:21):
on our team. So I didn't like seeing calls like
fire PAMBONDI, guys, shut up on that. You know, no,
I trust her because she was a great attorney general
here in Florida. I trust Trump's judgment. He selected her
for a reason. And just to remind you all, and
I'll beat this dead horse. Life does not operate according

(28:41):
to your specific timeline and criteria. Least of all in government.
Least of all things take time. I understand you want
it now. I understand you will promise this and that
things happen, things come up. But look, they're not stupid
enough to say we'll just kick the can and conserve
is we'll forget. They will never forget. We will never forget,

(29:02):
and we will not let them forget. But I do
think that accountability is coming. And if there are there
are elements in our government that are standing in the way,
I do believe they're going to be dealt with, whether
they're fired, whether they're charged with obstruction. I think firing
is the easiest thing to do. You know, Pam Bondi
has the ability to fire. Hey, this is your order.
You have to produce this by eight am tomorrow. We don't.

(29:24):
You're fired. And we in the private sector we deal
with that all the time.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
The government's like they're quatching their pros. But oh my god,
five emails or five things I have to email. Welcome
to private sector life. Yeah, we have deadlines and timelines
and things that we need to do otherwise there are consequences.
Oh my god, five bullet points. You god, They're always
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(30:18):
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Speaker 2 (30:23):
Take carebody, have a great all right gun there. I
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and he's closing words before I go.

Speaker 8 (30:31):
You're the rest of our Saturday. Yes, Sir DeSantis just
comes across. It's a slime ball. When Trump back to
Byron and we all knew she was gonna run. He
know he's gonna come up with some nickname his career.
I can't imagine him getting through this one.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
If he's gonna go against by which is so he
just comes across as a used car salesman.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Now to me, no, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
He doesn't have the charism of a used car salesman.
He's he's he's like a very very high functioning autistic
He's just there's something about him that just he has
trouble relating to people, in trouble with charisma, which in
the age of media is critical in politics. But he's
a great doer. He's he's a good guy. I always

(31:15):
thought he'd make a great VP or a great attorney
general or something like that. Like he's not a face guy.
He's not you know, out there.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
In the open.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
He's internal, like just put your head down, get the
job done. And there's really nobody who does that better. Obviously,
Look take it. You have to take your wife's side,
I mean, for his for his political career and his
personal life. You know, he's gotta he's got to sleep
with her every night, he's got to have dinner at
table every night. He wants things to be harmonious in
his household. I don't blame him. You know, you got

(31:43):
to take your wife's side. I get that. But that'll pass.
You know that, you know, you know political squabbles. I
think I would really like to see him and Trump
mend their relationship. And we've seen that a lot, and
I'd like to see that. Look, a lot of people
who speak out against Trump, a lot of people who
thought on toughest critics, have become as close as friends
and people forgive, you know, and we all change perspectives

(32:05):
and that's fine. But Ron DeSantis is too much of
a talent to let it go to waste, and he's
an asset to all of us. And he and Trump
together unstoppable power. And a good example of that is
j D was against Trump in the beginning too. I
was against Trump at the beginning. A lot of us
were a lot of us saw the guy, were like,
what the hell is this side show? And they were like, oh,

(32:28):
he means business. And I think, you know, I think
the Trump we've we've received now is the Trump we
always wanted, the Trump we always knew he could be.
And he's he's seasoned. And again, like I've said, like
I've posted, it's not necessarily a stronger sense of patriotism
than he had in twenty seventeen. Is patriotism has been unabiding, unyielding.

(32:49):
This is a guy who's been shot, indicted, impeached, Like
this is someone who's been through hell and he's on
a revenge tour and we are all benefiting from it.
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(33:12):
Thank you again.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I keep Americ? Could you keep America?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
We'll keep American? Gray, I keep Americ. Can you keep America?
We'll keep America?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Could Gray.

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Mod that? Ma in scan in inst in skill in.

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(42:53):
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(43:36):
really setting the tone for what we're gonna be talking
about today.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (43:40):
He's he's pastor out in Ohio at Calvary Chapel. And
without with further ado, I'm gonna, without further ado, I'm
gonna bring on doctor Mike Spalding. Uh. You guys are
gonna absolutely love and then I will catch you guys
on the other end of his presentation. Uh, you know,
doctor Mike, I'm gonna go ahead and pass it over
to you, and the floor is yours.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Thank you, Jeff.

Speaker 10 (43:58):
I appreciate the invitation to speak to audiences all across
the Internet. Very honored and blessed to do that. My
talk today is titled Between Transhumanism and Artificial Intelligence. The
middle Road is the narrow path to everlasting life. AI
and transhumanism are not new, but they are capturing much

(44:20):
of the public's attention. There is at the moment an
arms race to coin a Cold War idiom. This arms
race is not that of rifles and bullets, or armored
vehicles or exoskeleton armor for that matter. The race is
to develop an unleash artificial intelligence to master the algorithms

(44:42):
and quantum computing necessary for emerging technologies, and this is
meant to outpace the enemies of America. Transhumanism fits into
this arm race, just as the Terminator movie franchise chillingly
warned us. It is the so called future according to
the techno cultists among us, and it will seek eventually

(45:05):
to rule us all. It appears to me that humanity
is on the precipice of great breakthroughs in the use
of AI. Now I'm not ascribing any sense of morality
to that statement. It is simply an observation. The ethics
of emerging technologies will be determined on the basis of
intent and utilization. I see potential for good, but because

(45:29):
of human nature also much evil. Time will tell which
is which. The medical field is certainly a buzz about
the potential for detecting disease early enough to successfully treat
and restore to health those who without the use of
AI would succumb to their malady. The fields of engineering exploration,

(45:49):
both of Earth and other planets, as well as philosophy
and even theology are being impacted. Related to that last field, theology,
Joe Allen recently posted in the American Spectator an article
titled techno religion will snare the unbeliever. Here's a snippet

(46:11):
from that article.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Quote.

Speaker 10 (46:13):
Traditional religions exalt higher intelligence above the human mind, God, angels,
divas buddhas. But these religions fare poorly in the developed world,
especially among the young. Religion's influence has faded, along with
its moral limits and responsibilities for wistful souls. The resulting

(46:34):
religion shaped void is pretty depressing. The transhuman impulse to
drive to go beyond human limits by way of technology,
even to the point of abandoning our humanity, arises from
a godless cosmos. The evolutionary view begins with atoms and
the void. It moves through various organic forms, and presently

(46:56):
sees the human brain as the highest intelligence in the
known universe. Artificial intelligence holds out the promise of a
tangible higher power. If God does not exist, and if
aliens aren't coming to save us, then we must create
our own gods. Open Ai co founder Sam Altman once

(47:18):
wrote that quote, successful people create companies, the most successful
people create religions. What Altimate was saying, in effect is
that idolatry is back in vogue. This was Alan's conclusion
as well. From the same techno religion article, he wrote,
quote corporate religiosity a world where logos are sacred symbols,

(47:41):
mission statements are creeds, and top execs are saints was
born of American optimism. Today, that gilded faith is accelerating
towards some dismal omega point in the future. Artificial intelligence
advances just ahead of robotics. Brain computer interfaces are catching
up to genetic engineering. Digital currency pulses through the system

(48:05):
like electric blood. Mammon worship is coming to full realization
through technology. The average consumer may not believe any of it,
but that hardly matters that people selling them the future
are true believers. That is as clear a statement on
the dangers of AI and transhumanism as you will find.

(48:26):
This speaks clearly to a collective loss of the knowledge
or belief in transcendence as it relates to world religions
and their gods. Christianity, although not a religion as it
is a relationship baith faith system, is not immune from
this devastation. History has demonstrated repeatedly that a loss in

(48:48):
the knowledge of a transcendent God ultimately leads to idolatry.
The golden calf is every bit the equivalent of today's
engineering and emerging techno religionists who claim faith in a
better tomorrow based on techno optimistic ideologies. We currently live
in a time of dying socialism. That may sound surprising

(49:11):
to some people. American progressives, which is to say utopian
Marxist communists, are seeing what they believed what was their
once promising future, the world of tomorrow, unburdened by.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
What has been.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
According to Kamala Harris Crumble as their idology, being earthbound
and without a positive example anywhere and at any time,
betrays their allegiance. In October of twenty twenty three, billionaire
Mark Andresen, founder of Andresen Horowitz, a venture capital firm
in Silicone Valley, California, wrote what he described as a

(49:48):
techno optimist manifesto, giving great detail to what he saw
as emerging technologies and how those must be harnessed for
a bright, productive future for all mankind. This manifesto has
been described as a materialist declaration of religious aspiration. Anderssen

(50:08):
believes that technology and transhumanism are not anti human at all.
In his manifesto, he declares that these fields and the
technological advances being made are quote the most pro human
thing there is. It serves us. The techno capital machine
works for us. All the machines work for us end quote.

(50:31):
As a side note, one of the many things that
technology will do is destroy the wickedness of DEI diversity,
equity and inclusion. How will it or how is it
presently destroying DEI? Well Anderson says that technology is a
techno capital machine that quote makes natural selection work for us.

(50:54):
In the realm of ideas, the best and most productive
ideas when and are com bind and generate even better ideas.
Those ideas materialize in the real world as technologically enabled
goods and services that never would have emerged di novo quote.
In other words, all ideas are not equal. Ideas that

(51:17):
are clearly inferior and amount to nothing more than pandering
to classes of people will be rejected. By now most
Americans are aware of y'voll. Noah Harari the atheist philosopher
associated with the World Economic Forum. Hararii has written numerous
books declaring that a new age of technology is eclipsing

(51:39):
the age of man. Harari believes that mankind is moving
beyond liberal humanism and into a new golden age which
will usher in a techno religion. He has famously said
that quote history began when humans invented gods and will
end when humans become gods. Harari's book homodeis a Brief

(52:04):
History of Tomorrow, reads like a blueprint or the techno
transhumanist agenda. The publisher asks several provocative questions on the cover,
such as this, what will happen to democracy when Google
and Facebook come to know our likes and our political
preferences better than we know them ourselves. What will happen
to the welfare state when computers push humans out of

(52:25):
the job market and create a massive new useless class.
How might Islam handle genetic engineering? Will Silicone Valley end
up producing new religions rather than just novel gadgets? Harari
himself says, quote, humans are now hackable animals. You know
the whole idea that humans have this soul or spirit

(52:49):
and they have free will. So whatever I choose, whether
in the election or in the supermarket, this is my
free will.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
That's over.

Speaker 10 (52:58):
Free will is over, according to Horari.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
End quote.

Speaker 10 (53:03):
Doctor David Martin has been an outspoken critic a big
pharm of big tech. In the entire COVID nineteen narrative,
he defines the transhumanist drive to create man in the
image of man thusly, quote, transhumanism is a means by
which we exterminate Homo sapiens as a species and go

(53:24):
into a post human experience of reality where the only
thing relevant is the computational synthetic process of a selected
set of inputs controlled by a cloud computer.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
En quote.

Speaker 10 (53:37):
Doctor Robert Malone, credited with the discovery of the mRNA technology,
agrees that the transhumanist efforts go far beyond any kind
of humanitarian goal.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Quote.

Speaker 10 (53:48):
There's a joint report in Germany from the government of
the United Kingdom about transhumanism that's not hidden in Transhumanism
is not a conspiracy, And they talk about are in
a vaccine as an entry point to kind of opening
that space ethically and otherwise. So that's part of the
transhumanist agenda. In quote what space was it that doctor

(54:12):
Malone was referring to, Well, it's the space of the
human body, the human mind, the human soul. It is
the complete overthrow of God's purposeful design and creation of humanity.
What kind of evil is this that so animates the
minds and motivates the leaders of the World Economic Forum,

(54:34):
government leaders around the world, and their lackeys in the media,
education institutions, and even the entertainment ism industry that they
advocate for the overthrow of the human race. What kind
of hidden evil has deceived even Christians to support and
create transhumanist organizations. It is the kind of evil that

(54:55):
can speak the truth of their agenda and people remain
blind and deaf to its message. Journalist Lance Johnson authored
an article recently that brings to light the real agenda
and goal of the transhumanists associated with the World Economic
Forum and the other supporting organizations that I have mentioned.
Here's what Johnson wrote. Quote. One of the brains behind

(55:18):
the World Economic Forum is self proclaimed prophet You've all
Noah Harari. He believes in the great reset in transhumanism,
in calling the population and using a global government to
control humanity at the biometric level. He is praised by
Bill Gates, Barack Obama, Mark Zuckerberg, and Klaus Schwab, to
name just a few. Morari talks about useless human beings

(55:41):
who do not have meaning or purpose. He said the
greatest fake news is the Bible. Christianity is wrong. Humans
are here on earth for nothing. Jesus Christ is fake news.
He believes there is no great cosmic plan that humans
have a role to play in. Instead, he've views humans
as useless eaters who can be hacked and manipulated using

(56:04):
digital surveillance under their skin. The transhumanist view is nothing
more than dressed up scientific naturalism. For those of you
who understand the belief system that supports naturalism scientific naturalism,
this makes perfect sense. There is no creator in scientific naturalism,
and there is no need for such an antiquated idea.

(56:27):
Since there is no creator, the idea of a savior
is also unnecessary. Well, what follows from those two beliefs.
What follows is that no creator and no savior means
it is up to us to save ourselves. We can
only save ourselves if we all come together in peace
and devote our resources to figuring out solutions to our

(56:48):
most pressing problems. This philosophy is variously described under the
monikers of scientism, a religion based on a philosophy that
only science presents truth, and secular humanism, which posits that
humanity is capable of morality, self fulfillment, and self actualization

(57:09):
without belief in a creator God. Today we find the
cult of religious transhumanism dominating scientism and secular humanism. This
new religious cult has risen rapidly. They are forcing their
vision of a utopia upon the entire earth. Their agenda
is talked about everywhere that leaders of the most powerful

(57:31):
nations meet. Then we have the acceleration of AI. Artificial
intelligence and transhumanism are perfect matches in the minds of
most globalists. Their plan is to integrate the human mind,
body and soul into a new super hybrid, a form
of humanity two point zero. Can you see that all

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of this, taken together, is a religion. This kind of
slavish devotion is a prime characteristic of a cult. The
nature of this particular cult I'm describing is that it
is devoted to technology and technocracy, the elevation of science
and so called scientific experts. Technocrats such as swab Harari, Gates,

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musk Altman Andresen and many others form a type of
high priesthood. If you've ever wondered how the world religious
system will arise in the last days before Christ's return,
I suggest to you that we are witnessing it right now.
Doctor Owen Strachan, professor of Christian theology, a Grace Bible

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theological Seminary, in his book re Enchanting Humanity, A Theology
of Mankind, offers readers a reorientation of their thinking in
this complex and sometimes confusing space. He writes, quote, a
proper theology of technology neither unreservedly cheers nor unequivocally denounces it.

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By explicit teaching and by inference, the Bible urges caution
in this realm. More than this, our christocentric scripture punctures
the fundamental delusion of many modern technologists. We cannot live
forever outside of God. Though the New Testament does not

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offer extensive, step by step directions on how to handle
emerging innovations, we cannot miss that it pops the balloon
of any Messianic expectation outside of the person of Jesus Christ.
For the believer, it is not simply that Jesus is
the exclusive way to God. It is that every other
Messiah fails, and fails utterly. The ultimate response to any

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technocratic claim to authority is the lordly kingship of the
Son of God. The Christian cannot fail to exercise shrewd
watchfulness when it comes to technology. When I first became
aware of transunimanism, I remember remarking that this is an
attempt to escape the judgment of God. After nearly twenty years,

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I still believe that to be true. Reading through all
of the literature of the transhumanists and now those developing
artificial intelligence is the greatest aid to human health and
well being leaves me with the same impression. People are
trying to throw off what they perceive to be the
shackles of God and thereby escape what they believe to
be a great day of reckoning. In his twenty seventeen

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best selling book, Homodeas Harari said, when biotechnology, nanotechnology, and
the other fruits of science ripen, Homo sapiens will attain
divine powers and come full circle back to the Biblical
tree of knowledge. Scientists will upgrade us into Gods end quote.

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In an excerpt of chapter seven of his book Dark Aon,
Joe Allen states that this human upgrade is exactly what
Elon Mush proposes. If we have digital superintelligence that's just
much smarter than any human at a species level, how
do we mitigate that risk. Must ask this at his
twenty twenty two neurolinks Show and Tell. And then even

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in a benign scenario where the AI is very benevolent,
then how do we even go along for the ride?
The solution he suggests is to create a whole brain interface,
a generalized input output device that literally could interface with
every aspect of your brain. Harari Musk and others mentioned

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in this talk see death as something they will overcome
through technology and artificial intelligence. Those captivated by what they
believe to be a limitless future through transhumanism and artificial
intelligence miss the larger, inescapable truth. Death is not a
physiological problem alleviated by proper informa provided by a new

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operating system or augmentation of the human body by machines.
Death is a theological problem caused by sin. Whereas transhumanists
and artificial intelligence are lifted up as a means of escape,
Christian's point instead to our own coming resurrection. The problem

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of death has already been answered in Jesus Christ. The
late philosopher Walker Percy rightly observed the following quote, we
live in a deranged age, more deranged than usual because
despite great scientific in technological advances, man has not the
faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
End quote.

Speaker 10 (01:02:44):
This predicament is a self inflicted wound that will be
fatal for those who reject Jesus Christ. When the knowledge
of or belief in a transcendant creator dies, so too
does the hope of a redemption the only one who
is capable of redeeming us. When hoping a transcendent God dies,

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so too does any thought of mercy, compassion, and a
gap a love. Absent those traits that a transcendent God gives,
the fate of mankind is nothing but dystopian and forlorn.
My prayer is that Christians will meet the technology of
our day with wisdom, critiquing and evaluating all aspects of it.

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Some will be beneficial, other aspects will not. We must
know the difference. God, bless you and thank you for
joining me today for this presentation.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Back to you, Jeff, Thanks doctor Mike.

Speaker 9 (01:03:40):
That was that was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I think it was.

Speaker 9 (01:03:42):
It was the perfect way to really really kick things off.
And we're we're going to be transitioning over to our
first panel, which doctor Mike's going to be going to
be leading here and we're just waiting for you know,
Pastor Sam and Patrick Wood will be joining us here
in a second. But before we do move over there,
and make sure that you guys are are going and
following all of all of our speakers on pick ax.

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If you guys go to pickax dot com, you can
follow Mike Spalding. He's over there. Just look him up
on pickaxe at CC Pastor Mike, and you guys can
follow him over there. And then you know, posting articles
and shows and you know, his thoughts and all that
kind of stuff. So make sure you guys are doing that.
And then throughout throughout the entire day, one of the
things that we're going to be doing is we're going

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to be uh, you know, sharing with you guys, you know,
which which of our panelists, which of our speakers are
on pick axe and where you can follow them, how
how you how you can uh be a part of that.
But but I think it was I think that that
was a really important way to kick everything off too,
because we do have to understand that that and we're
going to talk about this during this next panel as well.
There is a spiritual component to this artificial intelligence and

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transhumanism and uh and and all of that, because I
think a lot of times we look at it it's
just a tech thing, or it's just even just healthcare
when we're talking about like m R and A and
how all of that's integrated into the into the body.
But there is a spiritual component to it as well.
And one of the points that I that I that
I've made many times is that you know, this is
the first time we're when we're really talking about transhumanism

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where we're effectively seeing the combination of human biology with
something that that's non human. And you know, going back
to going back to Genesis six, we saw that with
the nephilom, right, and we haven't really seen that at
all since then until now when we're talking about this
combination of technology with with human biology.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:05:24):
And to me, it's unprecedented going all the way back
to Genesis six. So it's gonna be a interesting panel,
this next panel that we've got, you know, coming up
as well. But you know, I think what we'll do
because I know Pastor Sam's gonna hop on here in
just a second. He just texted me, why don't we
kick things off and doctor Mike, why don't why don't
we kick things off and you me and we've got
JD hall On here as well. Why don't we start

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off with the conversation and then we'll bring in Patrick
and pastor Sam when when they when they hop on.
But we got Mike Spaulding, We've got let me introduce
you guys as well at the j D hall uh
And and and I'll say this as well. You know,
JD is one of those guys that, uh that is
probably one one of the best researches. And I would

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say both of both of you, both doctor Mike and
JD some of the best researchers that also combine everything
with a biblical understanding as well, Like I haven't there's
outside of YouTube, I haven't really found a whole lot
of other people that I really trust your your expertise
and the fact that you've actually backed it all up
with fact and biblical truth. And I think that that's

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so important when it comes to all this. So JD,
I welcome to the Welcome to the summit. I'm glad
you can be a part of this. And let me
just start with this and then and then I'll turn
it over to you, Mike, and you'll kind of you know,
moderate everything. But we did have a question over on
the pickaxe you know comments as well, and the question
was can transhumanism really hijack the soul?

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:06:50):
You know, doctor Mike. Let's start with you since since
you were just kind of talking about that a little bit,
and then I'll throw it over to JD.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:06:57):
So my initial response to that is absolutely, that is
God created, God given. Now that doesn't mean they're not trying,
because they most assuredly are trying. Now, someone might say, well,
what about those who never come to faith, Well, that's
been hijacked by unbelief. I don't know that AI or transhumans,

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even though I believe that there are elements of it
that are anti God, I don't see them having I
don't see technology as being able to accomplish that. If
I'm understanding what the question is asking, can they hijack
the soul?

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
I do not believe they can.

Speaker 10 (01:07:39):
Unbelief will certainly destroy the soul. But that's my take
on that. What do you think, JD?

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Yeah? I would concur with that, Mike.

Speaker 11 (01:07:47):
So when we look at concepts like the human soul,
we recognize that what we understand is technological innovation and
science is always going to be limited.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
By the power and the wisdom of God.

Speaker 11 (01:07:59):
And so even though we're capable in all of the
inside the ingenuity and the intelligence of man to do
some incredible things, we can do things that right now
we can't even fathom. That's kind of the whole concept
of the singularity, that things can go so quickly in
terms of innovation. We don't even have the capacity right

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now to fathom or imagine what it will one day
be like. But there are certain things that we can
rule out, and that is it's God that gives life,
that makes life, that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Bestows upon us the soul.

Speaker 11 (01:08:34):
The soul is the creation not just of man and
his body, but God breathing his life into man, which
cannot be duplicated by man.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
That's something that God alone can do.

Speaker 11 (01:08:45):
So even though God is creative and we're creative, he
doesn't share what's called his incommunicable attributes with God. That
which is incommunicable, those things that make God God are
not shared with us. There's no way that we can
obtain them. However, the danger, despite it not being that
they can destroy the soul, is that they can manipulate
the soul, and that they can destroy the body. The

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danger of transhumanism as we're looking in it or at
it in the twenty first century is the same danger
of transhumanism that we see in the Garden of Eden
when the serpent promises Eve that you can become like God. Well, no,
she couldn't become like God like in a way, she
could know the difference between good and evil, but that

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was not to her benefit, wasn't. And so all of
human suffering came about because of the transhumanist promise, the
delusion that you can become God's And so we're not
worried that somehow man actually will become God or that
will fall into deity by technological innovation, but that there
is a world of suffering that awaits us when we

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attempt to cast God from his throne and sit on
the throne in his place.

Speaker 9 (01:09:56):
Yes, yeah, no, absolutely, I'm going bring on path Sam
really quick and then and then my doctor Mike will
turn it over to you guys, and then you guys
can continue the conversation. But uh, Sam, welcome to Welcome
to the summit. Glad you could be a part of this.
And let's see if we're getting video coming on here.

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See I could see him on the other end, but
no videos coming in. So we'll see Sam if you can,
If you can hop out and hop back in, we'll, we'll, we'll,
we'll be good. But Dr Mike you can, you can continue,
and then I'll throw Sam in here once once he
hops on.

Speaker 10 (01:10:29):
Yeah, so I really touched it, hammered. I guess he
is a good word to say that this is really
shaping up to be a religion, a new religion. Harrari
has been trumpeting this for a long time. And Jenny,
I've been told that you've done a lot of research

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on Musk recently, and the things that he's got his
fingers in. I don't see that very clear statement out
of him. But but the things that they're working on,
this has become cultish in a sense as I look
at it. And and so I wonder if you wanted
to comment on that.

Speaker 11 (01:11:12):
Well, there are things that Musk says that make you
realize or at least suspect that he understands the religious
implications of what he is that he's working on. For example,
Musk said famous famously, you know there's a video out
there that that went viral, at least by our standards,
in which he said that AI will release the demon,

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talking about super super intelligence, artificial intelligence.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
What does he mean release the demon?

Speaker 11 (01:11:40):
Or the other day talking about his his AI headquarters
and computer data bank in Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee, and made
the connection that the old gods came out of Memphis
in Egypt, and the new gods will come out of
Memphis in Tennessee. And so there's a recognition. I think

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that there is a religious implication here. And that's the
thing about transhumanism. You know, the scripture says there's nothing
new under the sun. Satan has already invented a lot
of religions, and one of them is transhumanism. So in
a way it's new, right, But the promise is very
very old. It goes back to the Garden of Eden.

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We see it at Babble. It was pre existent to
the Garden of Eden when Satan was cast down from
heaven trying himself to become God. And so even though
Musk appears to us is what we might call a
white hat like in terms of his opposition to Altman
in trying to create an AI with less sinister