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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to the Bob and Eric Stave American Podcast. My
name is Bob Dunla, my name is Eric Contati.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Thank you all for tuning in. Happy Saturday. We're already shit, man,
we're already nine days into August. I was thinking about it.
I've been talking about like Thanksgiving and Christmas. Man, we
gotta forget ai. We got to figure out a way
to slow time down because you know, my kids are
going back to school in two weeks, and I remember,
do you remember a time in your life when the

(00:53):
summer lasted forever, like like eight weeks, nine weeks, ten weeks. However,
long school summer break is like was all the time
in the world, And you close your eyes, you turn
around and it's been three months. I think that's just
a byproduct of getting older, just your sense of time.
Like you know, you'll talk to a friend and like

(01:13):
them it's been like three months. Yeah, crazy, I was
just thinking about that anyway, But we're here every week,
so you know, we try to give some continuity.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
We have a really interesting guest who's coming up on
the show and a little bit, Richard Mack. He's the
former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, very very involved in
law enforcement and law enforcement organizations, law enforcement policy, and
wants to really talk about namely his His whole thing
is kind of decentralizing law enforcement, getting the federal government

(01:45):
out of it, and really returning power to your county sheriffs,
which I've always been saying, you know, as long as
I've been conservative, get the federal government out of your
life as much as possible, not just law enforcement, but education, taxation.
I mean, the list, the list goes on. But one
of the reasons why I wanted to have him on
and one of the things I wanted to discuss today
is is crime in America. Now. I live in that world.

(02:09):
I live in that world every day of my life.
I've been on both sides. I'm a defense attorney, I
was a prosecutor. I've seen it. But it seems like
while we are experiencing major cultural wins, there's one place
where we have fallen behind. And I think because so
much time has passed since the issues that put those

(02:32):
Let me back up so I can explain myself a
little better. The worst thing that the Left ever did.
Forget all the policies, forget all the rhetoric, forget everything.
The worst thing they ever did was convinced women that
men were not necessary. That is the worst thing they've
ever done because of everything that has come from that.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Generally worse taking the Bible out of public school.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
That ties into it, that ties into it, but vincing women,
namely young women, and we see it today, namely young women,
that men are not essential in your lives. And reason being,
you have generations and we're now realizing that in twenty
twenty five, generations of young men who have grown up
without fathers or not without fathers, without a prominent and

(03:20):
masculine male leader in their lives. Men need to be
the man of the house. They need to have that
that prominent role. They need to pay respect and deference
to their wife. But the wives also need to show
the man respect because that teaches a man and a
young boy what it means to be man. It also
teaches young girls, you know what a man means to

(03:43):
them and how to love and how to receive love
from a man. If you don't have that, if you
don't have a man in the house, or you have
a man in the house but you're belittling his role,
how do you think that's going to turn out for
the next generation. You're going to have one of two things.
You're either going to have a thirty five year old
boy who can't leave the nest, who can't find a relationship,
who can't hold a job, who's completely neutered as it

(04:05):
comes to being in the world, or you're going to
have these roving gangs of thirteen fourteen year old thugs
like you have in Washington, DC or Cincinnati or any
of these cities where we're seeing these horrific videos, these
horrific crimes that young people are committing because there's no
prominent male role model in their lives teaching them this
is how you be a man. Kids are going to
seek validation where they can. If there's not a man

(04:27):
in the house, they're going to seek it somewhere else
some instances, in many instances, they're going to turn to
the streets. They're going to turn to gangs, they're going
to turn to older teenagers, Hey, you're going to be
a father figure to me like we saw in Washington,
d C. Forgive me. I don't have his name, his
real name in front of me, but I'm going to
call him by his moniker of big bulls. We've all

(04:49):
seen this famous doge employee out in DC at like
two or three in the morning, sees a woman getting
carjacked by eight teenagers thirteen fourteen years old. I have
a fourteen year old Bob. I know where he is
at all times. At three in the morning, he's in
his room. He's asleep. My door is locked. He's not
out of the house. Thirteen fourteen year old kids out

(05:12):
roaming the streets of Washington, d C. To commit violence,
and this kid big balls as he goes by. Nineteen
year old kid sees that he's unarmed. He's kind of
a thin kid, runs and puts himself into the fray
and saves the woman's life. He takes a beating. But
let me tell you something, Bob. I saw the pictures

(05:34):
of him having taken on eight. He did very good.
He looked like he had been in a decent one
on one scrap. But for someone who had been in
there with eight now mind you eight thirteen and fourteen
year olds, and these kids can't throw a punch to
save their lives. It's those wild pussy haymakers kicking someone
on the ground. Eight versus one. And first of all,

(05:57):
for you young boys thinking that you're hard, thinking that
your men, there is absolutely nothing to be proud of.
For eight versus one, there is nothing that that is
the epitome of cowardice. And this young kidd, he of
big balls. He goes and jumps into the fray. And
I think, like you know, on on two hands, I
think we have a whole kind of conversation about masculinity.

(06:18):
Is one, you know, what the hell of these thirteen
to fourteen year old is doing out after dark doing that?
And second of all, this nineteen year old did what
most men twice his age wouldn't. I think in the
modern era, you have so many people that are just
going to look down at their phones and walk away,
and he put himself in the fray. But the bigger
point I'm trying to make them when we bring on

(06:39):
Sheriff Mac, I want to ask him about this specifically
as crimes committed by juveniles. We have a juvenile justice
system and the reason we're saying what we're saying is
one the lack of fathers in the house to you know,
no Bible in the schools and things that we've been
talked about in this program for six years, but also
the way that these kids are coddled in the juvenile
justice system, or the decriminalization of offenses and major cities

(07:03):
budgets being affected, defund the police. All those movements, those
social movements we've seen over the last few years now
are coming home to roost and they don't fear consequences
and they fear, hey, if anything happens, what are they
going to do? They're going to plea, bargain it down
to battery or assault and give them six months of
bullshit probation. Juvenile court is for shoplifting. Juvenile court should

(07:26):
be for a baggy a weed. It should be for
true and see, it should be for hey, you're headed
down the wrong path and the purpose of juvenile court
is to rehabilitate and correct you. The issue is when
it starts coming down to if you're three in the
morning and you're fourteen years old and you're out committing
a carjacking. I don't subscribe to the hugs and kisses
way of juvenile justice. I think your ass belongs in

(07:47):
the adult system, and now the primary focus needs to
be punishment because I think at that point you are irredeemable.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah fourteen, what say you?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I mean, so you obviously you know, we saw what
came out of sincinnat and I don't know how old
those offenders were. I think they were like into their
thirties or something like that, but that was that was horrific.
But I just I feel like I see more and
more of that, and especially you know, being in the
juvenile being in the justice system in general, is seeing younger,

(08:17):
more violent offenders who just have no respect for authority.
I mean when I was a kid and you know,
we had a party and like the cops showed up.
You know, you listen to the cops. You were just
you were respectful and you went home. I see more
and more in the body cams have really done a
great job of exposing this. I know the left wanted them,
but man, it's come back to bite you in the

(08:38):
ass because you've really exposed who you are. There's no
fear of law enforcement, there's no difference, there's no respect
for law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I don't know who would want to be a cop
at this point. I'd rather be an ice agent.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, you know, I I what are they doing like
a fifty thousand dollars signing bonus student data? Are they did?
Dean Kane, the Superman actor, didn't he become a or
he's applying to be an ice agent?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
That's what he says, Yeah, viral video.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
It's uh, it's it's interesting, man. I I I just
wish that I wish there was a way to fix it,
because I think it's it's I think we're in a
very dangerous time when you have young, fatherless offenders who
have no empathy, who have no sense of community or

(09:29):
respect for anything. I mean, look, Hillary Clinton took a
lot of shit for it, and I hate Hillary Clinton
more than anybody, but the term super predator was not
off the mark. She said that in the nineties. She's
these young offenders who have just absolutely no sense of empathy, community,
no sense of remorse. It's it's terrifying.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
It is he's gonna he's gonna clean up DC though
federal agents. It's coming.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
I'm really hoping it does. But that being said, you know,
how do you put how do you correct that. I mean,
is it something that we just have to crack down,
lock these people up, throw away the key, or is
there a way to fix a culture of Because I
think it comes down to this. I think when you're

(10:19):
not when you're not influenced by what you see online,
you're not influenced by what you see in the media.
I think biologically, men and women crave the companionship of
each other. That is our godly purpose on earth. And
so I don't care what venom you insert into the
heads of women to think like you need to be
this motivated career woman and you need to stave off

(10:41):
marriage and sleep with as many men as you can.
I don't think at their core women want that, And
I don't think men you want to go out and
you know, be a playboy and then at forty forty
five years old, you know, settle down. I think, my God,
get married in your twenties. And we're seeing have you
seen the figures the massive drop offs of people getting married, Yeah,

(11:04):
and having kids. We're gonna we're gonna have a major
population problem in this country if that doesn't happen. So
that's that's got to happen real quick where people are
starting to get married again. Family becomes an important thing again,
and then we can kind of retrain the next generation
so they can have more of a life that we
had when we grew up. The world wasn't like this, Bob.

(11:25):
Maybe it was, and maybe we just didn't have it
the cameras in our faces all the time and seeing it.
But I remember Los Angeles in the eighties and nineties.
I remember Washington, DC. I remember San Francisco. I remember
going there in the nineties. There were some homeless people,
but you could walk around safely. You could take the trolley,
you could go to Jaredli Square, there were still things
to see. These cities are becoming unlivable, and it's entirely

(11:49):
rooted in this cultural rot and it stems from one,
there's no God, and that's the hallmark of socialism as
you strip religion, because there's no god higher than the state.
And two, the the influence of men, of having men
in the house.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's their goal though, to ruin the city. It's their
goal to ruin all of Americas.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Well, it's it's there. It's their goal to ruin the family.
That's that's the thing is to ruin the nuclear family.
And you know, we've had Carlin Borsenko on a whole lot,
and she talks about that. She goes in with the
socialists and and one of their primary goals is the
the eradication of the modern family, the man a woman
in the house, and to convince anybody that a child
doesn't need a mother or a father. That is the

(12:29):
greatest as close to a guarantee of success as you
can have, is having a mother and father in the house.
The statistics don't lie. Look, ultimately, you're going to have
to sink or swim, but your advantage that you have
in life if you have a mother and a father
in the home is tremendous, far above that of growing
up with a single mother or a single father. And

(12:53):
and the eradication of the family, I mean that that's
that's what we're seeing here. So we're gonna bring Richard
mack on it a little bit, and obviously he's going
to talk about his impressions. I think being in law
enforcement as long as he's been, he can tell us
what it was like then as opposed to now and
what he's seen. But even the most dangerous criminals, even

(13:15):
the gang members. Like we go back to the nineties
and eighties, like there was still a sense of I
don't want to say integrity or honor maybe, but like
there were things you just didn't do, you know, Like
you didn't just like go beat up random people eight
on one. You didn't, you know, carjack old ladies in
the middle of the night. It's just when you don't

(13:36):
have a father in the home and you don't have
that masculine influence, men are going to seek or boys
are going to seek it elsewhere without further ado, the
guest of honor, the man of the hour, I'm and
bring him in right now, ladies and gentlemen. Sheriff Richard Mack,
I've got quite an intro for this, because this guy
is very accomplished. Former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona law
enforcement experience over twenty years. Looks like he's had just

(13:59):
about every position available from patrol officer, sergeant, corporal, undercover,
school resource officer, detective specializing in crimes against children. Nineteen
eighty eight. Elected sheriff's hometown stir for eight years. A
graduate of the FBI Academy, taken on the federal government
which we love, because law enforcement authorities should go back

(14:20):
to the sheriff. I'm going to bring up a point
with the sheriff in a minute. I've always said, every
time I travel and every time I have to go
through TSA, I think, why do we not have the
county sheriff for insecurity at every airport in his country.
That's beside the point. He's been NRA Law Officer of
the Year, inducted into the NRA Hall of Fame, and
founder and president of Constcial Sheriff and Peace Officers Association.

(14:40):
Personal note. Married over fifty years. You'll have to tell
me what the secret is to a good marriage. Lot,
five children, fifteen grandchildren. I don't end to your bank
account come Christmas time, but that's what we do. Sheriff Mack.
Welcome to the show. How are you, sir, well?

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Doing really well? Thanks. I apologize for being a little
bit late, but I'm really excited to be on your show.
Thank you so much for having me. And it's a
real honor to be with you.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, honor to have you here. And I'm glad you're
here because you kind of come at an opportune time
for our topic of conversation. We have been seeing a
lot of videos, a lot of media in the last
couple of weeks of just horrific assaults and crimes in
major city, namely DC and Cincinnati, with these young thirteen

(15:29):
fourteen year old offenders three in the morning out committing
horrific violent crimes. And you've been in law enforcement a
long time and you've seen it. Have you ever seen
the level of blatant disrespect or lack of fear that
young people have for law enforcement then you have at
any other point in history.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
No, really, not at all, and especially that such activity
is supported by Democratic leaders. That's what I've I'm really astonishing.
It used to be that both the Republicans and Democrats
could agree on one subject, and that is, we need
less crime and we need less violence. But the Democrats

(16:12):
make excuses for it and they support it, and anything
anything that could be considered some sort of attack on
the legacy of Trump, they're all for it. They're all
for it, and when they see the violence, they go, oh, well,
this is all Trump's fault. And when I was school

(16:35):
resource officer back forty years ago, I learned one thing,
and I went to a lot of training about parenting
and what really affects the behavior of a child, and
usually it was self esteem that are boiled down to
self esteem. But this is one thing too that can

(16:57):
prevent the crime from happen and prevent a child from
turning to crime. And there's no substitute for a father
and a mother in the home and in other words,
good parenting. There is absolutely no substitute for good parenting
and that's what seems to be lacking here when you

(17:18):
see thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old kids out on the streets.
And there was one exception to this, and I think
it was in the Atlanta area and it was about
eight or nine years ago, and it showed juvenile delinquents
out looting and stuff. And then it showed a mother

(17:38):
reaching out to her child and slapping his head several times.
I remember that, and she just pushing him and saying,
you'll get your butt home and you you know, and
I said, finally, they show one parent that is concerned
about one of the kids, one of their children being
involved in this crap. I'll bet you he didn't do
it the next day. And so really, really, again, there's

(18:03):
no substitute for parenting here. And the parents to get
really involved in all of this, and it's an absolute
outrage that the Democrats are supporting this kind of violence.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Well, and we were talking about it before you came on.
I think the greatest sin the left ever committed was
convincing women through modern feminism that you don't need a
man in the house. Now, they destroyed the They did
it along cultural and racial lines, because for the black
community they incentivized it with welfare. If you have more
children and you don't have a husband, a man in

(18:35):
the house who's bringing home a paycheck, you can get
more money. So go out, sleep with as many men
as you want, have as many baby daddies as you want,
to have as many kids, and you'll get a check.
You don't need a man in the house. For the
white community, it was convincing women, you go be this
alpha female, uber aggressive girl boss, Go be promiscuous, go
get an only fans, and you don't need a man

(18:57):
to get married. And the byproduct to that is what
we're seeing now. We're either seeing one of two things.
Either the roving packs of thirteen and fourteen year old
fatherless children committing felonies in the middle of the night,
or these thirty year old boys that can't launch, that
can't get a relationship, that can't find it, find a
spouse that can't hold a job because they've either had

(19:19):
no masculine role model in the house or the masculine
role model has been belittled and emasculated. You have to
have a strong and powerful and respected man in the house.
The wife has to pay the respect to the man,
so the son can see the respect a man is due,
so a little girl can see. This is how a
man is treated, and in turn, how a man is

(19:40):
to treat you. A man is to respect his wife,
to teach his son. This is how you treat women,
and to teach their daughters. This is how you receive
love from a man. It is so simple, it is
so biblical. It is our basic purpose on this planet,
and we completely lost sight of it. And this social
experimentation of removing the man, or the very at least
the influence of a strong male role model in the

(20:03):
house has brought us to where we are. And all
the wins of the Trump administration, we can talk about
that left and right, and I will celebrate it to
the ends of the earth. We still have a major
cultural problem that. I don't know if politics can fix
Donald Trump can't come into your house and say, hey,
you need to find a good man to raise a family.
Nobody can do that. That has to be self reliant.

(20:24):
But farther and farther we get from that. How do
we bring it home? How do we bring it back?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Well, there's also no substitute for a good sheriff. Yes,
and I know you alluded to that, and that's the
reason we actually started the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.
And the purpose of that is so that every peace
officer and sheriff in this country will do one simple thing,

(20:51):
and that is protect the civil rights of the people
he works for. And it is the epitome of what
our constitutional republic is defined as, and that is that
all three branches of government will work together to do
one thing, and that is keep their oath of office.
Remember the oath of office, because it is impossible to

(21:16):
protect the rights of the people, to protect civil rights
if our nation's law enforcement don't even know what those
rights are, and most don't. Most have never read the Constitution,
most have had no training whatsoever in any police academy
or ongoing departmental police training certification that has required forty

(21:40):
hours a year officers are required to participate in in
order to maintain their certification as a peace officer in
that state. Hardly ninety nine percent of them provide no
training as to what the oath of office is, why
we take the oath of alle office, and what is

(22:02):
our role in preserving our God given American republic? And
most don't even know what form of government we're supposed
to have. How are you going to know your role
in our government when you don't even know. We are
not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic, and that
requires that we the people be involved in the process.

(22:25):
Jefferson warned us that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
That vigilance comes from we the people. The first three
words of our constitution. We are in charge. Your sheriff
is the only elected law enforcement officer anywhere in the country.
Some constables object when I say that. Look, we want

(22:45):
constables on board also, but most of the constables are
in charge of serving papers. The sheriffs can do that
as well. I invite all the constables, anyone that's elected
has anything to do with law enforcement. We want you.
We also want the chiefs of police. Even though they
are appointed, they are bureaucrats and answer to the town manager,

(23:07):
to the city council, they answer to other politicians. The
sheriffs is the sheriffs are so unique because the only supervisor,
the only boss that they have is we the people
within their county jurisdiction or perish and lamentably, there's only
there's three states that don't have sheriffs, and we're trying

(23:30):
to work with Hawaii right now to return to that
and get the chiefs of police and the peace officers
that work in Hawaii. We're working right now to get
them trained because we have good people that are pushing
that and it's always coming from people and activists within
the community. It hardly ever comes from politicians. And we

(23:52):
saw and this is i know, kind of segueing over
to a horrible situation, the Cincinnati beatings where people were
almost beat the death and they added city councilmen. A
city council woman who totally supported that said it was
their fault.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yep, you know, and so.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
But yeah, Hawaii and Alaska don't have sheriffs, and Connecticut,
the stupidest thing in the history of Connecticut about thirty
years ago they voted the office out. There's no sheriffs.
They only have the police state, or I mean the
state police. But it's it's horrible that you take the stewardship.

(24:34):
And King County of Washington just did this too. Washington's
the worst state for attacking sheriffs and they they take
the stewardship away from the people. That is rightfully and
lawfully ours to elect our own representatives. And the only
like I say, the only elected law enforcement is the
sheriff and constable. But the sheriff is the one who

(24:56):
has boots on the ground defending the people, and he
is the ultimate protector of the people, and you've got
to have a relationship with him. And that's what we
promote at cspo A.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
That's you know, and it's interesting that you say that
about Alaska and Hawaiian people don't think about it, but
specifically Hawaii, Honolulu is a very dangerous city. They have
a lot of problems there. They have a major drug problem.
Alaska too, Alaska they have they have drug issues there too.
So the idea of having law enforcement, and you're right,
the sheriff is the only law enforcement officer who's completely

(25:29):
accountable to the people. You may have a you know,
city police officer. They're accountable to the mayor. They're accountable,
they take orders from the mayor. When the mayor says,
you know, hey, stand down. New York Police Department, you
know NYPD. When when whoever the mayor is says, whoever
it may be, says stand down, allow a riot to
take place in Los Angeles and infuriations Seattle and Portland.

(25:50):
Seattle and Portland are terrific examples of that. Well, what
upsets me is, you know, we saw several months ago
with ongoing rioting in Los Angeles. Now Los Angeles has
a very well funded, very large Sheriff's department, but the
LAPD is standing there letting you know, bottles and rocks
get pelted at them. They're standing there with their riot shields.
Finally they were allowed to step in and do what

(26:12):
they needed to do. But it's the city, it's the
municipal law law enforcement agencies that are accountable to the politicians.
The sheriff is one hundred percent accountable to the people.
And as we as we have a I do think
as we have a more dangerous society. I think there's
just what has happened over the last five years with

(26:34):
the defund the police movement. You had a generation coming
of age as fatherless generation coming of age saying I
don't have to respect law enforcement anymore. I mean, fear
of consequences is the one thing that keeps us in line.
And when you have no fear of consequences, unless you're
inherently a good human being, which sheriff you and I
know I'm in criminal justice. I've been a lawyer eighteen years,

(26:56):
you've been in law enforcement. Human beings are not all
inherently good people. There are some real evil sobs out there,
and maybe but for it, if the fear of consequences
stops them from committing a horrific crime, so be it.
Remove the consequences. Unless you have a strong moral compass
and you just say I'm not going to rob someone
because I don't do that, You're going to do it,

(27:17):
And we see that more and more. I want to
touch on site for a minute. You are a school
resource officer, so obviously you have experience with the juvenile
justice system. I'm sure you've had to go to court, testify,
take part in prosecutions of kids committing crime on school campuses.
But the juvenile justice system, I think that it is overused.

(27:38):
I think the juvenile justice system is for your shopliftings.
Kids got a bag a weed, maybe the habitual truancy.
I think if you're thirteen or fourteen years old and
you're out committing armed carjackings in the middle of the night,
I don't know how much I want to invest into
saving you. I think at that point we're going to
write you off and send you to adult prison. I'm
so sick and tired of this. We can rehabilitate, we

(28:00):
can save these kids that matter, because that's what the
juvenile justice system is about. At its core. It's hey,
you know, we're gonna put you right on back on track.
You have a kid who gets caught shoplifting, They're not
going to jail, They're going to get a program or
rehabilitation classes. And you know what, for the low level stuff,
I'll agree to it. And I think you do have
your success stories. We have a boot camp in Miami
Dide County, Florida that has a pretty decent success rate,

(28:23):
is very militarized, which I think these kids need. But
when you start getting when you have that escalating pattern
of violence, and you're going from shoplifting to now we're
committing robberies. And you're thirteen, fourteen years old and you're
committing these horrific crimes. You have no empathy. You're a
total textbook sociopath. You don't care who you hurt, you
have no fear of consequences. Sure, why are we wasting

(28:45):
our time? Why are what Look, you go to adult court,
you deal with the consequences. Can we get back to
that where we're more about punishing violent offenders?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Well, yes, and I saw that. You're right. I lived it,
and I was in charge of twelve different schools, and
every crime that committed that was committed at a school,
I was in charge of investigating every single one of them.
So I specialized in crimes against children. I also specialized

(29:16):
in crimes committed by children. And you're right, the system
is very much a revolving door system because they will
not go after these habitual criminal kids and they give
them this spat on the hand and they know it.
And so what did we as police? What did we do?

(29:37):
I mean, we just were spinning our wills with most
of these kids. Now, of course, you know as well
as I do. They have a way to certify someone
on a very serious serious crime, and that's usually murder
or rape, or maybe an aggravated assault. Sometimes that isn't
even included in certifying a juvenile as an adult. In ages,

(30:00):
you cannot certify a child as an adult. And I
think it's that twelve and thirteen mark if I remember right,
But it might have a very state to state, but yes, exactly, Yeah,
but there is another thing. The cartels know that. So
who did the cartels start hiring to do their coyote work,

(30:23):
And it was juveniles.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
And so just.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Running a load vehicle for the cartels at fifteen or
sixteen would not get them very much time. And then
they knew that they could get them right out. The
cartails would post their bill, the cartails would make sure, oh, okay,
you'll be out in six months, we'll pay you, we'll
help your family while you're in there, and we'll help you.

(30:49):
And for a juvenile, for a youngster to see this
kind of money, yeah, they dedicate their lives to it.
And then when they turn in seventeen eighteen, they get
them to do other things instead, so that it just
it's a it is a criminal conglomerate, and the cartels

(31:12):
are now siding and collaborating with the international terrorists. And
thank goodness that we had the Democrats bringing all these
criminals into our country so that they could stack the
census rolls and stack the voter rolls for their party.
And that's exactly what they were doing. And it is treason.

(31:35):
And the Democrat Party has been committing this type of
treason and getting away with it. So when you talk
about a revolving door, there I put all the players
in that big circle of a revolving door. And it's
juvenile delinquency, and it's illegal immigration, and it's drug trafficking,
and it's human trafficking, and it's cartels now working with

(31:58):
Hamas and ISIS and other international terrorist groups who now
are doing this and setting up sleeper sales in the
United States of America.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
No can notice how all the Democrat policies are aimed
at diminishing quality of life, every one of them. Let's
eradicate the importance of the nuclear family. Let's inject crime
into your community. Let's wait, let me add something right there.
You said nuclear family. Yeah, do you know whose website

(32:28):
had that two black lives matter, Black lives matter, that
they wanted to attack the nuclear family. Yep. And that
even goes back. I mean, that goes back to Hillary
Clinton of the nineties, and by today's standard, she'd be
you know, center right. She was talking about it takes
a village. You know, that's a bunch of garbage. You
need a man and a wife, you need that is

(32:51):
how you raise a generation. And yeah, BLM was a
Marxist movement. Thank god, they've lost their foothold in culture
and we're seeing a cultural shift back the other way.
And we're seeing people rejected, and we're seeing people realize
defund the police. All that stuff didn't help us. But
a lot of that damage has been done. Now. One
place where we've gained a lot of ground is on

(33:11):
illegal immigration and on the border. I mean this time
last year, we were what sixty thousand a month getting
released into this country and now we're at zero.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
For three months.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, We've got to take our hat off
to President Trump.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's hell the job and others.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
And now Dean Kane is joining ICE and working and
that's wonderful. I mean, bring all the attention to that
that you kept, possibly can I've been working with Tom
Holman at at the beginning of all of this, and
we've had sheriff call us and say, hey, get our name,
make sure that Tom Homan gets our name, and absolutely

(33:52):
and we've told all the sheriffs on our list that
they should be participating in deportation because, first of all, well,
no one knows in a public office, no one knows
his county better than the county sheriff, and many of
them already know and have intel as to where sleeper
sales are and they are helping expose those and getting

(34:15):
them out of their counties and states. And this is
exactly what we should be doing. But isn't it just
an absolute rotten shame that all of this was brought
to us by the Democrat Party.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
And here's the other thing that we haven't touched on.
But as you know, is who controls the county jails.
It's the sheriff's department. So it is incumbent upon the
county sheriff to effectuate federal immigration law by putting those detainers,
by allowing ICE to have access to the inmates. And
that's something that we've dealt with in the past. World
we have hey, sheriff. You know, sheriff has the power.

(34:52):
But we also have liberal sheriffs. We also have the
woke sheriffs. We also have sheriffs and Blue states who say,
I won't cooperate with ICE. We're not going to put
immigration holds on people in our county jails. We're not
going to alert ICE that they're there. What say you?
And have you seen that as a pervasive issue among
county sheriffs or I think it's I think most sheriffs

(35:12):
are willing to honor law.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
No, it's not very pervasive, but we still have some
wimpy sheriffs that are trying to not do anything that's
controversial because they're more interested in getting re elected in
two or three years. And so I really am fed
up with the sheriffs who put their own personal payroll

(35:37):
and their own personal pension ahead of safety for the
citizens they work for. And that, luckily and fortuitously, that's
not very common, but it does happen, and I've had
to work with those trying to get those sheriffs to
understand that this isn't about money, is not about lining

(36:01):
your pocket, This is about keeping the American people safe. Now,
one thing that was a great piece of news when
Trump won. Did you ever United States? Eighty percent of
the counties voted for Donald Trump in this country? Do
you want to talk talk about a landslide? That's a
statistic that the Democrats just absolutely wouldn't meet any of

(36:25):
the Democrats supporting news agencies, which you know ninety percent
of them are, especially in mainstream to show that map,
and of course Fox did so we put it out. Look,
eighty percent of the sheriffs in this country should already
be on board because their counties voted for Trump, and
that's a huge margin. But we haven't got that support yet.

(36:47):
But the good news is Florida, Florida, all sixty seven
sheriffs met with the Santas and they met together Tom
Homan and others from the deportation side, and I voted unanimously,
the sixty seven shriffes voted unanimously to help with deport

(37:08):
station because even the staunch Democrat sheriffs in Florida saw
the necessity of getting rid of this criminal element and
especially human And can you believe that the Democrat party
comes out publicly and says we want to keep all
of these illegal immigrants here they're including terrorists, they're in

(37:33):
clariss and cartels, and you on that statement absolutely astonishing.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Believe I can believe it. Of course I can believe
it because that's their whole, the whole, the whole idea
of the Yeah, the whole idea of Democrats is reliance
on the government and perpetual power. If they can bring
enough crime and make your communities less safe, less, less wealthy,
less cohesive as far as nuclear family, you're gonna need

(38:02):
more government to help you. You're gonna need government handouts.
You're gonna rely on the government for safet You're gonna
rely on the government for your livelihood. And at the
same time, if you can bring more people, apply them
with public assistance. Bring the poort here, bring people here
who have no ability to fend for themselves, and say hey,
you don't need to get a job. Here's a phone,
here's a five thousand dollars EBT card. We will take

(38:23):
care of you. Just remember who does it Democrats. Let
them vote, no voter ID, Let the illegals vote. And
I think the veil has been lifted on that big
time one thing I want I want to bring up
and this is just a personal thing that I noticed
on What your take on it? When are we going
to get rid of the TSA and let the county
sheriffs control airport security? Don't you think there's so much

(38:43):
better suited for that. We see sheriff's deputies at every airport.
Sheriff's deputies, they have a station at just about every airport.
Why can't we get those out of shape, rude, ineffective
TSA agents out and put some deputies who actually know
law enforcement and can keep us safe going through my edison?
Tell you being rude to me at six in the morning,
and you know tearing my suitcase apart is not making

(39:05):
us any safer. And have real law enforcement officers, not
some idiot who signed up for some cushy government job
who stands there in the morning and has a crappy attitude.
When are we going to properly make our airport safer?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Well? I would love to see that, But the first
thing the sheriffs are going to say is we're already shorthanded.
How are we going to add You know, county is
like a twelve hundred deputy short so how are they
going to add such an onerous weight on the left
command power. They already are scoffering, so that's going to

(39:42):
be the first thing all but obviously that's going to
free up a lot of all of them was put
or half of it if the sheriff's offices better quality service,
and you'd have the enough money to add the manpower immediately.
And I'm sure some of the team t SA agents

(40:04):
are qualified to join the sheriff's office, and some of
them aren't. All the incompetence that we generally see a
lot of, yeah when we go through the airports, but yeah,
I would I would love to see it. But logistically
it's going to be very difficult at the beginning, But
I would love to see that absolutely. And uh there's

(40:29):
a lot of about TSA that is busy work, real
security work, and I would like to see that as well.
And TSA has flunk their own inspections and guns and
knives with with these people. And uh so there's a
lot of cleaning up that needs to happen, especial especially

(40:53):
in the federal government and and the TSA.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Well, I think I think you take a look you
go through security. Look, most of these TSA Asians don't
care about their jobs. They look miserable to be there.
They treat you like cattle. They are grossly out of shape.
No one's looking at those people and going These are
highly trained anti terrorism commandos. These are people who you
know it was either here in the post office. So look,

(41:18):
I think eradicate tsa. Take that money, take half that money,
go out and hire sheriff's deputies. How much when sheriff's
departments are looking to hire, how much are they going
out to the veterans community. Hey, you just came off,
you know, four years in the military, you're twenty three,
twenty four years old, you're in great physical shape, You've

(41:38):
got a deployment under your belt. Come work for the
sheriff's office. We'll give you a massive signing bonus. We'll
give you this, well that overtime. Let me tell you something.
I've been doing this eighteen years. I've known a lot
of sheriff's deputies with overtime. Some of these guys are
making very very good money. There is money to be
manager's a good life to be had in a career
in law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Now that happens actually a lot, and they do reach
out to our military veterans. Most h ours in county
and city governments. They have a policy they do the
top of the list, and and veterans usually are prone

(42:19):
to want to be in service in law ENFORCEM Yeah,
you make a real good point, but it is something
that most police departments and sheriff's offices are are are
already doing.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
I think I think that's phenomenal. I think that you
have a lot of people out there. I mean they're
already you know, especially trained, they know weapons they they have,
and and sheriff's offices police departments are somewhat paramilitary organizations,
so they just have that organizational sophistication and understand how
it works, how command structure works, the way they carry themselves.

(42:53):
I mean, I think the finest officers, the finest deputies
and finest officers I see out there, you know when
I'm speaking to them, like do you have any prior
military Yes, I do. I can tell in the way
you carry yourself. And I think because what happens is
as I think fewer and fewer people want to be
law enforcement officers, I think they see it as I
see the way that you know, you watch these videos,
they have these YouTube channels that you're watching people speeding

(43:15):
tickets turning into felonies because they don't want to have
any accountability or sign the damn ticket, or whatever the
case may be. You see how the public responds to
law enforcement, and you don't want to do it. You
see it as a dangerous job. It's just not worth it.
I don't want to do it. So I think departments
are desperate and perhaps not always hiring the best people.
So law enforcement military, I'd like to see a good

(43:38):
relationship there. What kind of challenge is going forward do
you see for sheriff's offices in finding and maintaining good
quality deputies.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Well, first of all, the pay. There's still smaller sheriff's
offices as the country that are extremely low pay to
pull that up, and they've got to track higher quality
candidates for officers and small communities and I was one.

(44:11):
We only had fifteen deputies where I was sheriff, and
we had to fight the mentality of our board of supervisors,
county committees, commissioners to say, oh, this is a small town.
You know, we don't need this, and we don't need
you know, we want these kids right up of high
school and and now yet you have to be twenty

(44:32):
one VI a deputy or a peace officer, and you uh,
sub agencies are now requiring some college tours, some degrees,
but the smaller communities and so you get these kids
right out of high school school, they become a get

(44:55):
some training, and then when they're twenty one, they go
to the police academy. It's candu people with low ambition
because you start them off at thirty five thousand dollars
a year and no and and so you're going to
get you're going to get the lower quality. But it's

(45:20):
just a reality. We've got to also get where we
get more financial support and more moral support for leaders
in city and county governments. And they don't want to pay,
and they don't want to and they don't want to

(45:40):
pay pay for the training and they don't want to pay.
So that's the constant battle with their county commissioners. And
I really really liked it. Winner said, I think we
need to rely on Sheriff mack here. He's been in
law enforcement twenty five years and is the county's expert.

(46:04):
Of the others didn't really care about that, and this
man was a good I've never been in law enforcement.
None of US have Sheriff Mack has been most of
his adult life in law enforcement. We need to pay
attention to what he's saying. Law enforcement and the jail
You probably already know this, the jail ability that any

(46:28):
county could possibly and civil liabilities, it's just there. You
have got to have people who are sharp and and
you're only going to get that if you're paying them
more than you know. So that is a huge problem
in law enforcement nationwide.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
You make a good point about you having been a
law enforcement officer and politicians who are setting policy but
have no idea what's actually happening. Two examples I think
of one. When Trump first got elected in twenty sixteen
and took off his twenty seventeen ISIS was the biggest issue,
and he defeated them in ten months. Why because he
deferred to the generals. He said, I'm not in the military.

(47:11):
You are. I'm going to take my foot off your
neck and say you do what you need to do
to clean it up. And they did it in ten months.
Where Obama's policy was containment, which means it went from
this little quote unquote JV team to occupying thirty countries
with over thirty thousand members. The other thing is we
talked about Tom Holman. I think one of the reasons
he is so effective is he has been on the ground.

(47:31):
He has been, he has been in law enforcement. He's
not a politician, he's not a bureaucrat. He doesn't have
some PhD and go, well, I understand the theory of it. No,
he's been there. He said this is what needs to
get done, and that's why he's been so effective. Sheriff Mac,
tell the folks, the listeners and viewers, where can they
find more about you and what are you up to
these days?

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Well, we're actually working with sheriffs in a few states
that are being attacked by local government. The worst one,
as I mentioned earlier, is the state of Washington. And
so we want mister Mac go to Washington. But it's
not Washington, d C. And it's not mister Smith. We're
taking the CSPOA, we're taking the Constitutional Sheriff Seminar to

(48:16):
Washington State and we're working with sheriffs there who are
being attacked and sued by their own ag because they're
trying to help with deportation. They're trying to get this
criminal element, which is what sheriffs are supposed to do
out of their counties, and so of course A G.
Brown is suing a couple of sheriffs there, in particular

(48:40):
Sheriff Wagner in Adams County. So we want to go
there and have one of our CSPA seminars and bring
in sheriff from all over the country to speak, and
maybe a few other experts like General Flynt, and make
sure that the press is putting the message out to
these misconceived notions that the sheriff reports to the governor,

(49:03):
or to the state legislature, or to the age. None
of those are your sheriff's boss. He has one boss,
and that's the people. And that's why my appeal today
is to the people listening and watching this program. You
have got to get involved in the solution. And CSPOA

(49:23):
offers a peaceful and effective solution. Imagine that you have
the sheriff on your side in what you're trying to
accomplish in the freedom movement, and your sheriff understands that
we've got to return to the Constitution. If you don't
know that, how are you going to expect your sheriff
to know that? And these two entities have got to

(49:46):
get together and work together, and that's why we have
a CSPOA posse. You can join it at cs poa
sispoas CSPOA dot org and we train you how to
work with your sheriff. And we have a training webinar
every Wednesday three thirty Eastern time and that would be

(50:09):
twelve til thirty Pacific time, and we go all through
out there. But folks, we've got to get you involved.
Join our posse at CSPUA dot org. Make a donation
so that we can afford to get this convention, this conference,
this seminar going in Washington State so we can retrain

(50:32):
and retread these misconceived notions of local and state officials.
Solution is being it's not if we move forward, forward,
moving forward, always further away. We've got to The solution
is an independence hall. It's in our constitutionsitution, and it's

(50:54):
in the principles upon which America was founded. We can win,
and we're doing a CSPOA. We're offering you an opportunity
to be on a solution, to be part of the solution,
and we're offering that to you on a silver platter.
Join us in this holy cause of liberty. So the

(51:15):
RecA one county, one good constitutional sheriff at a time.
If you're not working with him, it's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Nice Sheriff Mac, thank you, thank you very much for
joining us. And remember, guys, when the federal government oversteps
its bounds. We saw during COVID when they become tyrannical,
who do you think is standing up for you. It's
your county sheriff. And we saw that during COVID a
lot of the COVID restrictions, it was your county sheriff
who was saying, I'm not going to enforce that. I'm

(51:44):
not requiring mass I'm not doing that. Your sheriff works
for you. That is the one member of law enforcement
that is one hundred percent accountable to the public because
he or she works for the public. Sheriff Richard Mack,
thank you so much for joining us. Guys, please check
out his organization.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Nice, thank you.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Beautiful man. I always like having law enforcement on because
I think people I think people need to have a
better understanding of the relationship between the public and law enforcement,
and we definitely have a conflicted relationship. Even if you're
pro police. I was driving home from dinner with my
wife last night and there was a cop behind me,
and I'm like, I kind of got in the other lane,
slow down, let the cop pass me. And I'm like,

(52:21):
I respect law enforcement, I just don't want them driving
behind me. I don't want to interact with them. You know,
you want them there to protect you and keep you safe,
but you don't want to have a day to day interaction.
So I get that. So people are a little, i guess,
a little lukewarm when it comes to law enforcement. But
it's important to get to know these people. It's important,
especially your county sheriff, because that is the individual who's
accountable to you and your public. And the county Sheriff's

(52:43):
office does a lot more than just regular law enforcement.
They do service a process, They run the jails in
our county, Broward County. The sheriff actually is in charge
of the fire department as well. They have separate leadership
for the fire department, but it all falls under BSO.
It's a multi billion dollar organization, so really having a
good relationship and then where we are. BSO has different

(53:06):
districts and we have our own little BSO district and
you know, we know the officers. You see them out
patrolling and you know they do great work here. But
that being said, you know, having good relations with law enforcement,
I mean community police, and we've talked about that since
the BLM riot days. Is we need to have community
policing where police officers are in the community, who know
what's going on in the community, who know the people,

(53:28):
and have good relationships, a trusting relationship with the community.
So there's accountability. It goes both ways. But you cannot
underestimate the importance of your county sheriff. But that's just
a personal thing for me. Is getting rid of TSA
I've done so, I've been home now for about a month.
I had done before that, a considerable amount of travel.
I was a DC, I was all over Europe. I

(53:49):
was just a lot of travel, a lot of going
to the airport. And there is nothing more miserable than
an American airport at like seven in the morning. You're there,
you're half tired, You're getting orders barked at you by
some DMV employee in their you know, blue shirt. They
they are three and forty pounds and tearing my suitcase apart.

(54:12):
Why why is that keeping us safe, I always, And
then I look at the deputies that are around. They
have the Belgian mallin laws and they're wearing the tackle gear.
I'm like, you guys should be doing this, You guys
should be running security, not these loafs.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
But what about the fact that it's unconstitutional for TSA,
You can make.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
That argument, man, I shit, I can't tell you a
couple of times I had to get padded down. Man.
That's just such a standing in front of everybody. It's
just such a matter. They've had some challenges to that before,
but they weigh the importance of airline security over the
personal liberties that you have not to be molested by

(54:51):
some fifty year old man at you know, six am.
Not that it's better any other time of the day.
That being said, guys, thank you all for joining us today.
Have a wonderful week. Bob Any closing words, Thoughts Snyder.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Marks, tariffs do not cause inflation. Come on, Jerome pal
mister too late, bring down interest rates. Make borrowing great again.
Reef Okay, all those homes that we've been sitting on
that are overinflated that you got equity in, allow people
to borrow that equity at a low rate without jacking

(55:24):
your mortgage up. Take that equity, Go, put that new
kitchen in, Go put that pool in. Payoff debts. Use
that stimulate the economy, hire a contractor create jobs.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
You know what I don't.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
It's because if you lower then the economy is going
to explode and help Trump.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
It's totally political.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Well that and you know what, First of all, I
talk to my friends that are real orders. They're you know,
they're dying right now, and nothing is moving. People are
hanging onto their homes because the home prices are too high.
It's too expensive to get a mortgage, and nobody wants
to sell. Because if you bought a house in twenty
nineteen for eight hundred thousand, and now with inflation and
with just the overvaluation of the housing market, it's at

(56:04):
one point seven million. Yeah, you're thinking I could sell it.
We have one point seven million, pay off my mortgage.
Where are you going to go? What's a lateral move?
What's what a house that was eight hundred thousand and
is now at one point seven Your lateral move is
going to be a house that's two point three million
dollars and now you're gonna have a six seven thousand,
eight thousand dollars a month mortgage I got. I got
friends that pay ten thousand dollars a month for a

(56:25):
mortgage because they have they have poor credit. But that
being said, bring down the interest rates. Let people go
out buy new cars, refinance the homes, buy new homes,
get mortgages. The economy will be unleashed. But tariffs work.
They have worked. Look at your four oh one k
I guarantee it is doing better than it was on

(56:46):
April first when the tariffs were announced. Yeah, we know what.
There was about two weeks of pain and all the
panic and said, oh my god, the sky is falling,
as they always do and always will do. But in
the end, I got to give it to Trump. And
again I'll call him out when he's wrong. He was
not wrong on this. His instincts were spot on. And
you know what, when you play the game of chicken,

(57:08):
because America, for so long, our policy has been to
meal to the rest of the world and give them
what they want. When America plays the game of chicken,
we always win because at the end of the day,
people talk tough, but nobody wants to do political battle
with us. They don't want to do economic battle with us.
They don't want to do military battle with us. We
have to assert our rightful place as the global superpower

(57:30):
without being globalists, without creating a one world government, just
saying hey, we're going to look out for America. We're
the strongest, most powerful, most lucrative nation on the planet,
and we want to have trade relations. We want to
have good geopolitical relations, but don't cross us because we
have the ability to destroy you. You wield that every
once in a while, You're gonna get what you want.

(57:52):
You just have to be willing to do. Ith that
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God bless Indeed.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I keep America, You keep America.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
We'll keep American.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Gray, I keep America, You keep America, We'll keep Americ.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Gree