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J6 Prisoner and recent recipient of a Presidential Pardon, Colton McAbee tells his story from his involvement on January 6, to his arrest, pretrial detention, trial, prison term, and ultimately his pardon.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
America.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You keep America.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
We'll keep Americic Gray keep Americ.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Can you jeep America? Well, jeep Americ? Condre a jeep Americ?
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Speaker 4 (00:24):
Concrete O.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Welcome to the Bob and Eric Save American Podcast. My
name is Bob Dunlap and my name is Eric Daty.
Thank you all for tuning in. Welcome Happy Saturday, first
Saturday of the Golden Age of America. As President Trump
has so aptly put it, Guys, hit up the patren Oh,
my microphone's over here. Stand by now you hear me better?
Uh hit the patre on patroon dot com. Slash Bob
(00:54):
and Eric. Everything you give helps to show continue to
keep coming towards you every week.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Uh in it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I hope because this is Bob, this is the Golden
Age of America. And I gotta say, man, I had
high expectations, but this is If this is any indication
of what his second term is going to be, I
think the only way I can put it is this
is a man. Well, I'll make an analogy. It's like
(01:20):
when you're young and you know nothing bad has ever
happened to you. You kind of see the world through
these rose colored lenses. And then you've been through something.
You know, maybe you've been through a bad breakup, or
you've been through some hard times, or hell, you've been
to war, or something really terrible has happened to you,
and you just it's kind of like, you know, Charles
(01:41):
Bronson and Broughtson in a death wish. You're just coming
out there just like I don't care anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I think.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I think of the movie The Revenant, there was a
very with the Leonardo DiCaprio when he comes back to
the Ford after he's crawled on his belly two hundred
miles to come back after being attacked by.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
A bear, and he says, I've already been dead. I'm
not afraid of it anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So he I think Donald Trump, he's been indicted ninety
one times, convicted on thirty four counts, impeached twice, shot
in the face once, and he is just governing with
the full brunt of the executive. He understands this time
around just how powerful his office is. And the best
part about Donald Trump is he doesn't have to win reelection,
(02:24):
so he doesn't have to walk that line. He doesn't
have to be careful. He knows the media hates him,
so he's still he doesn't care. But my god, he
gets inaugurated on Monday, he does fifteen hundred executive orders,
he releases all the j sixers. We have one of
whom on the show today who's going to talk to us.
I'm very excited to speak to him. And then he's
in North Carolina. Then he's in California. How does hee
(02:47):
a seventy eight years old? He's just got got him,
so that's what he says. So he's kicking ass. I
can't wait to see the second week. Oh he is
kicking ass. But he's doing so well, and I'm really
happy that everything's going as well as it is. And
if this is an indication of how his second term
is going to go, I think this Republic is well
on its way to being restored. But one of the
(03:10):
promises he made and one of the promises he kept
and immediately was the pardoning of the Jay sixers.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We have one on right now.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
We're bringing him in right now, ladies and gentlemen, Colton mcabee.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Just weeks ago where we had Sarah McCabe on and
she was talking about it, Bob, you and I said.
We said to Sarah, we said, when your husband gets pardoned.
We didn't say if. We said when he gets partnered,
we want.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Him on the show.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And lo and behold.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Just like Trump keeping.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Promises, the mc family keeps their promises. Coulton Freeman, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
How you doing, Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me, guys.
I'm doing great. I'm still in shock. You know, Monday
I was in prison and now I'm here.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I so Donald, And we'll go back to your JA
six origin story how you got here. But when Donald
Trump won the election, I want to take you back
to November fifth, the night of in the morning of
the sixth, when you found out he won. Was there
just this feeling of relief that came over you, knowing
like the end is in sight.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I stayed up all night, listened to the radio, and
you know, as soon as they called the election in
his favor, I got up out of bed, ran down
the hallway because we didn't have any locked doors, and
I started shouting. I did fifty push ups. I was excited.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I knew I was going home.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So how long were you actually in prison for?
Speaker 6 (04:32):
I did three and a half years, a little over
twelve twelve hundred days.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And what was your original sentence?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I had a seventy month sentence.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
My god, And on what specific charges?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I had an.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Assault with the deadly dangerous weapon, which were gloves, and
then another assault which the guy said I never assaulted him,
and then all the misdemeanors nobody gets and for.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That and was seventy months? Was that the result of
going to trial or was that a plea bargain?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I went to trial.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You did, okay, you and a lot of people. We
talked to Alex Shepherd, we talked to you know, a
number of people.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Big.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh, so take us back to January sixth. Now, before
January sixth, you were in law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Correct, Yeah, I was in law enforce. I was a
sheriff deputy.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And so what brought you to the Capitol on January sixth,
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Well, my first ever rally ever went to I've never
seen Trump speak. I thought this would be the last
time I'd see him as president. To be honest with you,
and then he said, you know, peacefully and patriotically make
your voices heard.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
This's march on down to the Capitol and I went.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Now, when you got down there, did you go to
Washington on your own? Were you with a group? What
was your plan going there?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (05:49):
No, I actually I went with a guy. He drove
me up, he paid for the hotel. He was he
was one of my friends. But I couldn't drive her
anything because I broke shoulder and I was on some
pain medication.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So I'm going to assume, you know, the antithesis to
the media narrative that when you went to Washington, d C.
On January sixth, twenty twenty one, you were not going
with the intent to overthrow our government.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So the President says, very clearly, unambiguously, patriotically, peacefully, had
your voices here, and you march to the capitol. What
do you see when you first get there. You're walking
down that that elips you get there, you see the capitol.
Are people starting to enter? Are they congregating outside? What's
going on there?
Speaker 6 (06:31):
So when I was marching up, I heard some bangs
and I thought, man, it's a weird time to be
doing fireworks.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
So the closer we get, there's a huge crowd sitting
on the lawn.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
And I get a little bit closer and closer, and
it just everybody's waving their flags, you know, chanting, singing,
made it all the way up to the police line
at this scaffolding area, and then all I know is
hell breaks loose.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Now, now when you say hell breaks loo you hear
the bangs. And one of the things Bob and I
have had a number J sixers on they talk about
police shooting into the crowd flash bangs or something, tear gas,
whatever they may be doing. Are police officers firing something
into the crowd at this.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Point, yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
The police line itself. They were spraying people with pepper sprays.
I mean these are like super soakers on steroids, a
full of pepper spray. And then they were shooting tear
gas at the back of the crowd, pushing them forward.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And then I actually got hit with a reber grenade.
I saw it come out and I hit me right
in the leg and exploded. And then I saw I
did actually see a guy with a hole in his
cheek do do a rubber grenade.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I think that was the same guy. There's video of him.
He made it into the Senate chamber and he was
sitting there in a rubber ball in his cheek. So
the crowd, it sounds like it's kind of a chaotic situation.
At what point does that crowd make it inside the Capitol.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
I'm not sure of the timeline because I went back
and tried to find the people I was with, and
the next thing I know, I turned around and they're
up there.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
My side.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Well, I don't think I don't think anybody made it
on my side because that's where everybody's getting their heads
knocked in by the police.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So so at that point, so there's a catock situation.
The police are firing upon you. You being in law enforcement,
are you recognizing any signs or body language from any
other Capitol police officers that are directing people into a building,
maybe stepping aside and leading people to think they can
enter the building.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
So when they gave up ground, they took the bike
racks with them, so they open up everything, and I'm
on the west side at the at the tunnel area,
So in my mind, they just okay, here you go,
because they actually they didn't do like a full retreat
type style with what I could see. They just kind
(09:00):
of like open up the floodgates and said here you go,
and they just like walked up to the to the
rendezvous point inside the tunnel area.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So you being in the crowd and you seeing the
movement of the crowd, you see law enforcement move these
barriers step aside, and people start to flow in that direction.
Are you believing at that point that you have the
right to enter the building?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
For sure?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
I mean, you know it's they call it the People's
House for a reason, and any other day you can
go in scott free.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Apparently that day they had other plans for us.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So what happened when you got into the building.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Uh so we uh the guy went with and I
we made our way up top, more out of curiosity
for me than anything. Made it through the crowd, and
next thing I know, it's just a whole sea of
people flowing out of the tunnel. There's tear gas, there's
pepper spray in the air, there's people pinned down, There's there's.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
A whole whole slew of things going on.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So you never made it into the building, No, never did.
So you you were in that famous tunnel that everyone
talks about. That was a very chaotic situation. What was
actually going on in that tunnel were they police were
pushing back or what was going on there.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
So I had the I have the benefit of watching
body cam footage, you know, after all this, But that day,
my view was off to the side. I didn't see
what was actually going on inside the tunnel until the
police actually came to the front of it, and that's
when I saw an officer go down. That's when I
saw Roseanne Boiling in a corner being beaten, and uh,
(10:37):
that's when I jumped into action.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
A lot of people don't talk about Roseanne Boilt. Everyone
talks about Ashley Babbitt, but Roseenne Boiler she lost her
life on that day too. What happened to her For
people that don't know her story.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Rosenne was inside the tunnel whenever they whenever the the officers,
uh spread the gas which sucked the oxygen out of
the air, and that caused people to panic and run out,
and she was trapped underneath the stampede.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And the police kept on pushing people over on top
of her.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
And you have people like I think her friend Justin Winchell, say,
you know, she's trapped, she's trapped, she's dying, and the
police didn't care. They were still pushing people on top
of her. And then you have Officer Lyla Morris who
took a stick from another guy and started beating her
in the face and then on the head. And I
mean miss Boylan was bleeding from her ears, her nose.
(11:32):
I mean that she was already blue when I got
to her.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And when you got to her, obviously were trying to
pull her out of that mess.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
So when I got to her, I uh, In fact,
I got pulled downstairs when I was trying to help
a cop up off the ground, and then somebody pulled
her already out of the tunnel and I saw that
they were do CPR on her, and I'm trained, as
you know, first responder to do that. So I went
over there and let my services and we brought her
back to the tunnel because we couldn't get a pulse,
(12:01):
we couldn't get anything going on, and that's when I
started chest compressions.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So after that happens. So you never made it in
the building. So where are these specific charges coming from,
Not just the I guess the trespassing which everyone who
was on the property got, but these assault charges and
these charges that seemed completely unfounded. What was the basis
for that?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
So when I saw the officer down, I jumped into action.
I put myself between him and the crowd. I put
my legs between his so that way he wouldn't get
dragged down. I'm trying to pick him up by the
vest and I get hit in the head with a baton.
So I pop up real quick and yell at the
person and say, you can't do that, it's deadly force.
At the same time, an officer's coming out of the
(12:49):
crowd the police line and cross checks me in the
ribs and tries to push me down the stairs. Well,
I was a big guy back that was about three
hundred pounds then, and he couldn't move me. So I
I created separation, you know, like I was trained separate
yourself from the threat. And so when I pushed him,
that's when I got my assault charge. Now my other
(13:10):
assault charges. Whenever I got dragged down the stairs, I
protected that officer because somebody was trying to go for
his guard. I said no quit, and they charged me
with assault with a deadly dangerous weapon because I had
gloves on and I touched him.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Insanity that somebody would be charged with that, I mean,
did you did.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
You ever identify yourself as law enforcement to any of
these officers to let him know like, hey, I'm not
here to fight with you guys, I'm here to help.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Well, I had a big sheriff patch on my vest,
so I mean, if that didn't do it, then I
don't know what would. But yeah, I had one officer
asked me if I was active, and I said, yes, sir,
I'm active.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And what was his response to that?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
He thanked me, yes, what are you planning on doing
now that you're out?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Are you class actually lawsuit something?
Speaker 6 (13:59):
So I actually have a class action lawsuit where actually
I have I have a personal lawsuit in with the
DC Jail over another incident that happened in there. I
got attacked by lieutenant. I can't really talk too much
about it because it's still going on. I know my
wife and I are talking about other things for litigation
(14:19):
in regards to the day of the six and I
understand there's actually one guy that filed a filed a
lawsuit for deadly forced used on him with baton stracks
of the head. So I'm looking at that as well.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I had heard. I don't know if there's any truth
to it, because you weren't in d C when you
got pardoned, you were already in your prison. But for
the prisoners who were still in DC and the gulag
pending trial, I heard they were asked to sign these NDAs.
Did you hear anything about that from your j six
friends that you have out there.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
I've heard it on the you know, on the social media,
but I haven't heard it from anybody who's been released yet.
I've I've had called several of the guys that I've
did due time with, but they they've already, you know,
went to prison, been out, or just got released. I
did talk to a guy who he lives in Maine,
and right before the part and happened, they flew him
(15:13):
from DC to Kentucky and just let him out there
and dropped him off.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I had heard about that. I haven't spoken to him
since he got released. But Enrique Tario, I heard they
moved him like thirty times. They call it diesel therapy. Bitically,
you get you get situated somewhere and then like a
week lay to they say.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Pack your bag and then in the dead of night.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Did they ever do that to you, move you from
facility to facility?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Yeah, I've been to eleven or twelve different facilities in
three years. Actually I did most of that within one
and a half years.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
So that by itself has got to be a form
of mental torture.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah it is. I mean, like like you said,
I just got established.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I got my clothes, I got my hygiene items, I
got a little bit of commissary. I can I can
snack on and then hey pack up. And then you
pack up, you can't really take anything, so you have
to restart over and over again. And the phone systems
aren't the same anywhere either, so I have to put
more money on the phone.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I have to waste this morning. You have to do this,
I have to do that. It's it's that that was
the hardest part.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That too.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And they're putting you. Imagine they're putting you on a
bus in the dead and knight. They're shackling you and
driving you twenty hours wherever you may be going.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yeah, I've I mean early morning ride, shackle, waste chain, Uh,
not knowing where you're going.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Several times I got I was told I was going
to court and never made it to a courthouse, made
it to another jail. The worst thing was getting flown
on Colin Air across the United States to uh from
from East coast to Oklahoma. You know, I've never been
to Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I don't even know where.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
You know, where I'm at in there, And the first
time I got there, I was I asked my wife,
I said, where the hell am I Where am I
calling from?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Because they really wouldn't tell me anything. Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
So back back the incident, So how you never made
it in the capitol. At what point during the day
did you leave the event and return to your hotel
or where you were staying.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Shortly after they pulled Rose in into the tunnel to
work on her in the back, I left there. I
was trapped in there a little bit. There was another
surge with some guys with riot Shultz pushing against the police.
An officer actually protected me and said I got you, man,
I got you, And you know I thank him. You know,
(17:31):
he actually testified on my behalf in trial and I
got the seas parted and an older lady actually led
me out through the crowd because you know, I didn't
feel like I was safe going there, because people were
calling me a trader because I was standing there and
I wasn't doing any action.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So you leave, when you're walking away that day, did
you think something there's gonna be criminal consequences for this,
or you thought that was the.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
End of it.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Knowing, you know, knowing what I knew from a law
enforcement background, I knew there might have been a chance
of in a salt charge. But seeing the twenty twenty
Summer of love what they call it, in our city's
being burned down, our stores being looted, our people being killed,
I thought I'd get hit with a trespassion charge or
like a like a civil disturbance.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I didn't think i'd get you know, assault with a
deadly dangerous weapon.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, two hundred dollars fine and have an ice stay
that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, And that's how it
should have been. So you when did the legal consequences come?
When did you find out that they were looking for you?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
So the guy I went with, he tipped me off,
saying we're on the FBI most wanted list, And I'm like, oh, man,
I guess I made a big time and like that
kind of scared me. I puckered up a little bit,
but I continued my daily live and I continued going
to work.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I worked in the jail.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
I continued doing that and then eight months, seven months
later and August they got me.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
They picked me up.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So so you're home for seven months now? Are you
still working this time? There weren't any consequences with your job.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah, So I separated from law enforcement, you know, try
to do another field. I went into accounting because that's
what I went to college for. I think God had
other plans because that's when I went back into the jail.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
But on the other side, Yeah, so you.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
When you were separated, was that a direct result? How
did the department find out that you had been a
part of January sixth prior to getting arrested?
Speaker 6 (19:35):
The FBI actually, uh interviewed them, and I guess threatened
them not to say anything to me because I haven't
heard from my brothers in blue since that day, since
I since I got arrested.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's a shame of it, they put. They probably I'm
sure there's a lot of them that wanted to support
you and were threatened and couldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
So eight months after so, how how did.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
The arrest happen? Now?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Imagine you had attorneys at this time, because you know
that there's.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Something going on.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Uh no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
In fact, I thought, hey, you know, I'm just gonna
live my life and hopefully they just breeze by.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And you know, I'm living. I was living in a
fantasy world.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
You know. I was trying to tell myself, they're not
going to do it. It's it's been it's been seven months.
They're not going to come after me anymore. And the
day I stopped looking over my shoulder is the day
they picked me up.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
What?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
How did that happen? What happened they come to the house.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Uh no, Fortunately, they picked me up at work at
my accounting job and the guy, I'm going up the
stairs and there's an alcove before you go up the stairs,
and the FBI guy turns around and says, FBI, you're
under wrestling who me? You know, like, A, I didn't
do anything. He said, you're under rest for assault. I'm like, on,
(20:46):
who who did I assault? Like I'm still not putting
anything together. And then he said January sixth, twenty twenty one,
I'm like, oh my god, they caught up. So they
they put me a handcuffs. Actually they patted me down
for I had my my you know, everyday carry on me.
They had trouble getting it out, so I, you know,
(21:06):
instinctively try to help them and reach for my gun
and that next thing, I know, I have like six
or seven barrels pointed at me.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
He said, don't you touch. I'm like, oh my goodness, here,
I am just.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Trying to help. Yeah, so they pick you up. What, like,
I can't imagine that, Like it just all comes crashing down.
FBI's there. I mean, can you at least call the
wife and say, like, hey, I'm not coming home for dinner.
I mean, what happened from that point?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
So they threw me in the back of the truck,
they searched my car, and then they took me to
the field office, and I did ask them, Hey, can
I call my wife? She's she's out of town. I
got dogs at the house. I need somebody to go
and take care of them, you know, like, please let
me call. He said, no, we can't call. But he
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actually made the call to my either my mother in
law or my.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Father in law. And that's how my wife figured out.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
And she got on a plane shortly afterwards and came
back home to take care of the dogs.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
In the house.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
And last time I seen her before that, you know,
it was you know, right before she left, you know,
and I didn't get to see her for over a year.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
How could you not have seen her for over a year.
They didn't allow you to have visitors.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
So before I got to d C, they kept on
transferring me. In fact, my first visitation was supposed to
be in a Kentucky jail. That morning, I get woken
up at three am saying I'm going on an airlift.
I'm like okay, and they're like, you're going to Oklahoma.
And I said, I got a visit today, Like you
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guys just acknowledge my visit. You guys approved it. How
am I going? And so I'm on the bus shackled
and I see I see Sarah in the parking lot,
waiting for the visitation time to go in. And she's
on the phone, and I'm screaming, you know, like hopefully
she can hear me. And the guys on the bus,
you know, look at me. It's like, shut up, man said,
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that's my wife. She's here to visit me. Man, I'm
from Tennessee. And so everybody else starts screaming her name,
trying to get her attention, but it was it was
too late.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
We already gone.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I'm assuming then that when you were picked up
by the FBI and you went to your first appearance,
you were not granted a.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Bond, so not right off the bed.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
I did win a bond hearing, but the government appealed
it and the judge, the judge, my child judge at
the time, upheld the appeal and left me in.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
So from the day you got arrested in August of
twenty twenty one till Monday, you were in continuous custody.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yes, their never been out.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's a form of torture.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
What they did was moving your on. Did you cry
when you saw your wife in.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
The parking lot?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, actually it was a negatively. I was I was
housing Minnesota, and I mean, to me, that's the north pole.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
But it was negative thirty four windshield that night, and
I mean my beard froze, my eyes were frozen up.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I mean it just I teared up. I cried, you know,
I'm not ashamed to admit it. Of course.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So you're in there pre trial.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
So what do you do now?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So did you have to retain private attorneys or did
you have a public defender.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
So at first I had a public defender till I
could get a private attorney. I had him for about
eighteen months. We had some differences, and so I let
him go and then retain another private attorney who actually
kicks some matrix butt. But I already knew I was
going up against the regime and the system. I already
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knew I was going to be guilty, but I had
to get the truth out there.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So when was your trial? So you get arrested in
twenty twenty one August, when do you go to trial?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I went to Drew September and twenty three.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
And during that whole time for pre trial, you were
in the DC.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Jail for the majority of the time.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yeah, and that was the j six wing, what we
famously hear about.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yes, sir, so they had.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Was that just coincidence or they had an entire wing
for you guys.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
No, they put us all together for they said for
our protection.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I think it was more for their protection because they
didn't know what to do with us, because I mean,
I don't know if you've heard, you know what we
went through. But I mean about forty to fifty of
us has changed that jail that's been operating for over
thirty four years of corruption, and we changed it because
we know the law.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Now. I've heard horror stories coming out of there. We've
talked to a lot of guys.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Were you part of the guys who would sing the
national anthem every night?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yes? Sir? Oh my god? What so?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I mean, I guess from any kind of tragedy comes
some positivity.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
But the community that formed, yeah, that's got to be
an unbreakable bond. These people are going to be in
your lives forever.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
The first night I got out, my wife gifted me
a phone and so here call this guy and I
caught it was one of the guys actually did time with.
And just hearing the excitement on his voice because he
was already out in uh because he's served his time,
but just the excitement in his voice of hearing me
out free, I mean, that was unbreakable, unbreakable bond.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So you go to trial, obviously, you know the deck
is stacked against you. You're convicted. What are you looking at?
You got seventy months? What were you facing? Maximum?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
So I had my charge carrier a maximum of I
think twenty or twenty five years. They offered me two
plea deals, one a year before trial for ten years
with the assault of deadly weapon, and then another one
a week before trial. Uh, with the assault with weapons enhancements.
It's basically the same for the same amount of time
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ten years. And said if I didn't take that, they're
gonna charge me with another assault. And they couldn't because
I didn't really assault anybody.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I was in.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I interacted with the two officers, so they we go
to trial and they asked for twelve and a half years,
and I got seventy months.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
So you beat the plea, Yeah, pretty much. We at
criminal defense, I mean we yeah, sometimes you go to triale,
you lose, but you beat the plea. So seventy months
and then how many facilities.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Did you go to?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
From there?
Speaker 6 (27:35):
So I got out of d C and went to
Philadelphia for I think one and a half months, got
flown to Oklahoma into a private prison, Cemarron, which I
was a minimum custody there, but somehow, some way overnight
I got transferred to the maximum security side and it
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was spent three days in there. I mean, they got
me out as fast as possible and I went to
a county jail in Missouri to make my way to
Kansas City to an airplane to Rochester, Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
And every facility you went to when you were sentenced,
were there January sixth, defendants?
Speaker 6 (28:12):
There, Uh, just a couple Alexandria, Orange County and DC
and then Philadelphia was.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Kind of our jumping off point to be transferred across America.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Were there any facilities you were in where you were
one of the only j sixers?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, I uh, the first two Kentucky jails I was in,
I was the only one.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
What was that experience? Like?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I was incredibly lonely.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Uh, you know, my lawyer tells me, told me, don't say,
you know, don't tell people your charges, don't tell people
who you are. So I kind of kept the law
enforcement you know, background hush hush. But these guys inside
aren't stupid.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Uh, you know, they they do. They did.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
They found out eventually January sixth, and they gave me
some advice, you know, and I kind of knew being
on the inside as a deputy, you know, you kind
of you need to talk about some of your charges.
So I kind of like told him, you know, I
got into sault charge of this, sawt charge of that.
But I left the January sixth out because I was
you know, we're still in the time where people didn't
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like Trump.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Were you ever in any danger?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Uh uh yeah? So DC.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
My first time in d C, we went through quarantine
and I got stabbed over a phone call because the
guy jumped me in front of the in line. He
made his third phone call when I was trying to
make my first, and I kind of told him how
I felt about it, and he pulled out his his
his weapon and stood on the table and started talking
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trash and said, well, we can do it or we can't.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
You know me, either way, I'm getting on this phone.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
And then in Oklahoma when I went to MAXIMUMS security,
they say, hey, look, you're.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Gonna need a knife. Oh my god, hell am I
you know, like I need a knife?
Speaker 6 (30:06):
So I told him who I was, you know, I said, hey, look,
I'm just a January sixth I'm passing through. You know,
I'm gonna hold my own, but I don't plan on,
you know, doing what you guys are doing. So they said,
all right, cool. You know, if anything pops off, we're
gonna lock you and yourself. I said, that's fine with me.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So I imagine that that there was a time where
it looked completely hopeless, where you just said, I'm just
gonna do my seventy months. That's gonna be how my
life goes. Was there a time when you gave a
pope and thought, I'm never getting partoned, This isn't gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
So I didn't want to kid myself, you know, And
you know I I prepared myself to do the full
seventy months. Even when Trump won. I knew, like I
knew I was gonna get out, but just in case,
I still had it in my mindset that Okay, I'm
gonna do seventy months because I rather to be pleasantly
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surprised and disappointed.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Imagine the mental toughness one has to develop in your situation,
try to keep your marriage alive, trying to keep your hope,
whatever hope you can grasp onto and then Trump wins
the election, and at that point, how did you know?
Could the pardon happens? But what was going into it?
Were you communicating with attorneys? Were you saying, hey, get
my pardon application in what were you doing at that point?
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Once you won the election? You knew this was reality.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Uh so I really wasn't doing too much on the
inside other than other than doing my time and trying
to get out as fast as possible without the pardon.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Sarah, she's you know, she's a warrior. She was doing
everything behind the scenes.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
She would tell me that, hey, you have an attorney
that's doing a clemency for me, or do you have
an attorney talking to the Trump team this or that?
And it's like, well, thank you, because I don't have
any numbers and I don't know how to get a
hold of people and only have fifteen minutes a day
to make a call.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
This sounds like a boolltal movie, isn't it. It does?
I mean, I think, I think your story is I
think could be told many different ways by many different people,
so many experiences, people's lives destroyed by the government for
simply going to a protest in a public place where
we as Americans have always been taught public buildings occupying
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government buildings as a staple of protests. Colton's one hundred
percent right. We had just come off eight months of
fiery riots and CNN telling us this is stunning and brave,
and one afternoon at the Capitol by people who had
no intent to do any hill will or overthrow the government.
That's not an insurrection, and you need to tell me
that's worse than nine to eleven Pearl Harbor combined.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I think cold.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You realize, we all realized that if Trump had lost
that election, you'd still be in prison right now. You
would be forgotten, you'd be doing your seventy months, and
that would be that. So Monday night rolls around, when
do you find out you've been pardoned? And you specifically
because he signed fifteen hundred, someone come and say like,
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hey man, you're going home.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
How does it work?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (33:01):
So, Sarah and my mother in law, Miss Kims, they
actually came up that Monday for visitation and they called
me over to visitation and they said, hey, I have
to make a pit stop to the unit manager's office.
So okay, you know, this is kind of weird, never happened,
had to do this before. So I make a pit stop.
He said, hey, look, you know today's inauguration day. We
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got paperwork ready just in case you're going home. I said, oh, okay,
you know, like you know, this is gonna be a great,
great visit. So I go out, I leave, go to
the visit. We we didn't even talk that much. We
were all glued to the TV and the visitation room
because we were watching the inauguration, and he would danger
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round of the parties and the January six ers.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
And it wasn't until.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
About I think five o'clock when he got to the
to the auditorium, and after you talked about the Israeli hostages,
he said he's gonna pardon when he gets back to
the White House, he's gonna parten the j Anyway six ers.
And then next thing I know, I'm being called over
the intercom back to the unit manager's office and say, hey,
pack your stuff go.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I'm like, that's awesome, you know. So I ran over
to my room, packed.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Up, got taken down to discharge, and then I got
taken back to the unit because they didn't have the paperwork.
So I'm like, oh, my goodness, you put me that's
a cruel joke. I told him that that's that's the
cruelest thing you could ever do to me. And then
til hours passed by, I'm pacing back and forth. You know,
I'm gonna like, oh man, am I getting out today?
Am I not getting out? Am I the partying, AM
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my commutation and my you know what, I'm just gonna
go to bed. So about ten thirty eleven o'clock I
lay down and as soon as my head has to
pill of the light switch, the light turns on and
the officer comes in, Hey, it's real this time, we
got your paperwork.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Get out. So that's that's how it went down. And
I never looked back. You're wight.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
They just literally they just opened the door and say bye.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Here you're gun.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
So they made sure that that I actually had somebody
to pick me up. I mean, they asked me, you know,
where's my family? Said coincidentally, they're here for a visitation,
so they're gonna stay just in case if anything happens.
And I thank god they did, because they would have
put me on a bus back to Tennessee and I'd
probably still be riding on.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It try to try to figure out how to get
home now. When Trump said because you had assault charges,
which quote unquote would be considered.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Violent, when the administration or JD.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Vans or someone was talking about delineating between violent nonviolent,
were you afraid that you might accidentally get shuffled?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
In with violent offenders and maybe not get a pardon.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
And that put me through you know, so many, so
many arguments within myself, you know, and on paper I'm violent,
but in reality, and we've all seen the videos, I'm not.
I just I help people, and so I went to
prison for helping people. But on paper, I'm considered a
violent terrorist. Like I just prayed that I would not
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get lost in the in the system, and that you know,
they're just expressing their lip service, and you know, lo
and behold. You know, the one man makes the decision,
and that's Trump himself, and he said everybody that I
I love.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
That he did that at the end. Now everybody got pardoned.
Now some just got commutations. Do we know who got
the commutations and why?
Speaker 6 (36:25):
It is my understanding that it's the the big names
of the Proud Boys and nosekeepers. I'm not sure why,
but I have an idea, but I don't want to
say anything right now, just in case it's true.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, But as of this day, as of this moment,
there is not one January sixth defendant.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
In custody as far as I know, We're all out.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
So so what now.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So so you are pardoned, so that effectively means that
this is wiped clean. You were, you were forgiven. Where
do you go from here? What is your life moving forward?
For you and your fellow January six ers? I mean,
how do you put this trauma behind you and channel
it this thing positive? I mean, obviously you're doing that.
Your wife's been a hell of a champion for you.
But what's life like now?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, that's a great question. You know.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
I'm not I'm not gonna put a badge back on
and go into field work, but I am gonna do
some reform it. We didn't go through this to do nothing.
We went through this to actually make a change. And
since we've been on the inside, we know how the
Brial of Prisons operates, we know how the system operates.
We've all seen the two tier justice system, you know,
involving Trump. We are going to be loud and we're
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gonna make a change and we're going to actually do
some effective work. None of this lip service where the
government officials say, oh yeah, we're gonna look at this.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
No, we're boots on the ground and we're doing something nice.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
That's incredible, And I'm so thankful for you, and I'm
thankful for Trump, and I can't imagine what you've been through.
But it is over and we you know, the people
that have been you know, put for Trump and fighting
and trying to get elected. Getting you guys pardoned was
one of the foremost issues in getting Trump elected. In
twenty seventeen, he was elected for the border. He was
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elected to eliminate ISIS. In twenty twenty five. His mandate
is to pardon the J Sixers, among other things, which
he has done in the first day. An amazing week.
We're really proud of what we've seen. And just you know,
for whatever it's worth, so sorry you had to go
through that, So sorry that this has claimed so many
good people. That mean, you did your time. You've come
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out of it. I'm sure the experience and the growth
you've gotten from it in the long run, you know,
has made you a better person. But it's three years
of your life you can't get back. And yeah, we're
not getting any younger. And just I feel for you guys.
But when I found out you guys were pardoned that night,
I mean just a sense of joy that you would
have thought, you know, we were pardoned ourselves, just the
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camaraderie that we feel.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
And I remember watching you guys on TV on J
six and I'm like, they're.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
There to have their voices heard and not one. I mean,
And I was so mad at establishment Republicans, you know,
Mitch McConnell and those guys. You know, he's all over
the story coming in that night, calling you guys terrorists
and saying this and that. But we didn't know all
the facts yet. I mean, Democrats stand by their people
left and right. We need to do a better job
of not trying to get out in front of CNN
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and go, oh my god, this is terrible. Please don't
hate me, because they're gonna hate you anyway. And once
people found out, understand that the idea of JA six
pardons really went from very much a fringe idea to
mainstream over time as we really found out about what
JAY six was. And we owe that to people like
your wife, like some of the defendants who were speaking
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out pre trial, even getting gag orders put on them.
We had Big O'barnett on the show but four times
before he went to trial talking about, hey, I'm not
supposed to say this, but this is what's going on?
And it educated the masses because from one hundred yards
away you could look at the capital and.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Go, oh, well, what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Oh, they're rioting there.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Looks like up to no good. But to understand twenty
six at least twenty six.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Federal cooperators at the crowd. You have reyps running around
who got twelve months of misdemeanor probation saying we got
a store of the Capitol officers stepping aside. National Guard
called down twenty thousand pound doors unlocked. There was obviously
it was a powder keg. The government knew that people
were going to be there, and the idea was to
rile them up, to entrap them and use that to
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push an agenda going forward. And the election of Donald
Trump was the wall that that progress stopped on, because
had Kamala won, that would have been away going forward.
And again, what do you think Joe and Joe Biden
giving a part into the entire subcommittee, the entire J
six committee. Their work is so full of integrity and
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fighting for truth and justice and preserving democracy that I
have to parton every one of them on the morning
I'm leaving the office.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Is that the same guy said no one's above the law.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yes, same exact guy.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
We Honestly, when I heard that he part of the
Unselect Committee, I wasn't surprised, but I was mad because
I mean, they played my videos, they demonize me, yet
they're the real criminals. They actually hid evince, they actually
perjured themselves. They put a show trial on, a literal
show trial on because it was produced by a movie maker,
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and they didn't even use all the evidence, and they
deleted everything. All of them should be locked up and
go through what we went through, just to get a
little taste.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Well, we'll see. Interestingly enough, just a side note, we're
talking about partons of Biden, pardons Faucci. I think Vladimir
Putin says, hey, we may indict him here in Russia
for what he did to us, so there could potentially
be state level charges. I know that crass are up
in Philadelphia is talking about what we might file state
charges for J six. I have a feeling this is
all behind us, this is over. I wish you the
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best of what coming forward and going forward. I'm so
glad you're here. We knew you would be here after
Trump won. We knew that this was gonna happen, and
just God bless and thank you for being here. How
could people reach out to you and find out more
about you and support you and your efforts going forward.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Yeah, you can reach out to me on X and
truth Social I finally got those things that at J
six Sheriff. And then if you want to know more
about my story keep up with me, you can go
to my wife's website, Sarah mccaby dot us.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Guys, I got to commend you, the one married man
to another. I think my wife would do the same
thing she wrote for you, man. She really did, and
she was your champion. And you know, may all of
you men be as lucky in life to have a
wife like Sarah who will stand by you under the
most dire of circumstances.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
And God has blessed you and glad you're here. Man,
thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I just called you.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Okay, Well, hey, man, I love those Jay six stories
just because there is a happy ending to that.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
There's a part of the story though that I don't
think a lot of us were aware of the torture
of moving him at all. I was not aware of
that torture.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Well, I had found out about that when I was
listening to Tario to his press conference, because I know
both of his lawyers or fellow attorneys. And yeah, they
call it in the system, they called diesel therapy because
of the diesel buses. And it's basically a form of torture.
You get situated, you get unpacked, maybe you meet a
couple of people, you get your commissary, and then they
come and say three in the morning, get up. They
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shackle you, They take all your stuff, put them in
cardboard boxes and put you on a bus for twenty
hours to you don't even know where you're going. You
might be in Arizona, and then three days later you're
in Nebraska, and then you know, two months later you're
in Minnesota, and then you're in Florida. They like all
over the country, just as a way to keep you
on edge. And just the human condition is to seek
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comfort and to seek a home and to make a
place your own, and to constantly take that away from
you is a form of torture. It's the same like
he said he didn't see his wife for a year.
I mean, that's how you drive people to suicide. And
the government was implicit and that was the intent of
the government. They wanted to drive these people mad. I
hope we find out more. I hope there are lawsuits.
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I hope there's prosecutions. If they were torturing, beating, emotionally
tormenting prisoners in DC, like I heard those cittistic guards
were doing. Maybe hammer of justice come down swiftly, because
how we could do this to our fellow American over
political differences. That's what it comes down to. Believe me,
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had they been protesting for transgender rights or gun control
or pro Hamas, they'd be hailed as heroes. Congress would
literally get down on their knees like they did for
the BLM protesters in twenty twenty. It's disgusting. It's a
great story.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
He really should write a book and somebody should pick
it up and make a movie out of it, because it's.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Hey, well, maybe some of our conservatives in Hollywood, you're
Mel Gibson, your Kevin Sorbos, you get together and produce
a Jay six movie.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
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Speaker 4 (00:59):
Uh in it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I hope because this is Bob, this is the Golden
Age of America. And I gotta say, man, I had
high expectations, but this is If this is any indication
of what his second term is going to be, I
think the only way I can put it is this
is a man. Well, I'll make an analogy. It's like
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when you're young and you know nothing bad has ever
happened to you. You kind of see the world through
these rose colored lenses. And then you've been through something.
You know, maybe you've been through a bad breakup, or
you've been through some hard times, or hell, you've been
to war, or something really terrible has happened to you,
and you just it's kind of like, you know, Charles
(01:41):
Bronson and Broughtson in a death wish. You're just coming
out there just like I don't care anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I think.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I think of the movie The Revenant, there was a
very with the Leonardo DiCaprio when he comes back to
the Ford after he's crawled on his belly two hundred
miles to come back after being attacked by.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
A bear, and he says, I've already been dead. I'm
not afraid of it anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So he I think Donald Trump, he's been indicted ninety
one times, convicted on thirty four counts, impeached twice, shot
in the face once, and he is just governing with
the full brunt of the executive. He understands this time
around just how powerful his office is. And the best
part about Donald Trump is he doesn't have to win reelection,
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so he doesn't have to walk that line. He doesn't
have to be careful. He knows the media hates him,
so he's still he doesn't care. But my god, he
gets inaugurated on Monday, he does fifteen hundred executive orders,
he releases all the j sixers. We have one of
whom on the show today who's going to talk to us.
I'm very excited to speak to him. And then he's
in North Carolina. Then he's in California. How does hee
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a seventy eight years old? He's just got got him,
so that's what he says. So he's kicking ass. I
can't wait to see the second week. Oh he is
kicking ass. But he's doing so well, and I'm really
happy that everything's going as well as it is. And
if this is an indication of how his second term
is going to go, I think this Republic is well
on its way to being restored. But one of the
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promises he made and one of the promises he kept
and immediately was the pardoning of the Jay sixers.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We have one on right now.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
We're bringing him in right now, ladies and gentlemen, Colton mcabee.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Just weeks ago where we had Sarah McCabe on and
she was talking about it, Bob, you and I said.
We said to Sarah, we said, when your husband gets pardoned.
We didn't say if. We said when he gets partnered,
we want.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Him on the show.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And lo and behold.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Just like Trump keeping.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Promises, the mc family keeps their promises. Coulton Freeman, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
How you doing, Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me, guys.
I'm doing great. I'm still in shock. You know, Monday
I was in prison and now I'm here.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I so Donald, And we'll go back to your JA
six origin story how you got here. But when Donald
Trump won the election, I want to take you back
to November fifth, the night of in the morning of
the sixth, when you found out he won. Was there
just this feeling of relief that came over you, knowing
like the end is in sight.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I stayed up all night, listened to the radio, and
you know, as soon as they called the election in
his favor, I got up out of bed, ran down
the hallway because we didn't have any locked doors, and
I started shouting. I did fifty push ups. I was excited.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I knew I was going home.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So how long were you actually in prison for?
Speaker 6 (04:32):
I did three and a half years, a little over
twelve twelve hundred days.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And what was your original sentence?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I had a seventy month sentence.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
My god, And on what specific charges?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I had an.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Assault with the deadly dangerous weapon, which were gloves, and
then another assault which the guy said I never assaulted him,
and then all the misdemeanors nobody gets and for.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That and was seventy months? Was that the result of
going to trial or was that a plea bargain?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I went to trial.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You did, okay, you and a lot of people. We
talked to Alex Shepherd, we talked to you know, a
number of people.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Big.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh, so take us back to January sixth. Now, before
January sixth, you were in law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Correct, Yeah, I was in law enforce. I was a
sheriff deputy.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And so what brought you to the Capitol on January sixth,
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Well, my first ever rally ever went to I've never
seen Trump speak. I thought this would be the last
time I'd see him as president. To be honest with you,
and then he said, you know, peacefully and patriotically make
your voices heard.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
This's march on down to the Capitol and I went.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Now, when you got down there, did you go to
Washington on your own? Were you with a group? What
was your plan going there?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (05:49):
No, I actually I went with a guy. He drove
me up, he paid for the hotel. He was he
was one of my friends. But I couldn't drive her
anything because I broke shoulder and I was on some
pain medication.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So I'm going to assume, you know, the antithesis to
the media narrative that when you went to Washington, d C.
On January sixth, twenty twenty one, you were not going
with the intent to overthrow our government.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So the President says, very clearly, unambiguously, patriotically, peacefully, had
your voices here, and you march to the capitol. What
do you see when you first get there. You're walking
down that that elips you get there, you see the capitol.
Are people starting to enter? Are they congregating outside? What's
going on there?
Speaker 6 (06:31):
So when I was marching up, I heard some bangs
and I thought, man, it's a weird time to be
doing fireworks.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
So the closer we get, there's a huge crowd sitting
on the lawn.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
And I get a little bit closer and closer, and
it just everybody's waving their flags, you know, chanting, singing,
made it all the way up to the police line
at this scaffolding area, and then all I know is
hell breaks loose.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Now, now when you say hell breaks loo you hear
the bangs. And one of the things Bob and I
have had a number J sixers on they talk about
police shooting into the crowd flash bangs or something, tear gas,
whatever they may be doing. Are police officers firing something
into the crowd at this.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Point, yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
The police line itself. They were spraying people with pepper sprays.
I mean these are like super soakers on steroids, a
full of pepper spray. And then they were shooting tear
gas at the back of the crowd, pushing them forward.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And then I actually got hit with a reber grenade.
I saw it come out and I hit me right
in the leg and exploded. And then I saw I
did actually see a guy with a hole in his
cheek do do a rubber grenade.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I think that was the same guy. There's video of him.
He made it into the Senate chamber and he was
sitting there in a rubber ball in his cheek. So
the crowd, it sounds like it's kind of a chaotic situation.
At what point does that crowd make it inside the Capitol.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
I'm not sure of the timeline because I went back
and tried to find the people I was with, and
the next thing I know, I turned around and they're
up there.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
My side.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Well, I don't think I don't think anybody made it
on my side because that's where everybody's getting their heads
knocked in by the police.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So so at that point, so there's a catock situation.
The police are firing upon you. You being in law enforcement,
are you recognizing any signs or body language from any
other Capitol police officers that are directing people into a building,
maybe stepping aside and leading people to think they can
enter the building.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
So when they gave up ground, they took the bike
racks with them, so they open up everything, and I'm
on the west side at the at the tunnel area,
So in my mind, they just okay, here you go,
because they actually they didn't do like a full retreat
type style with what I could see. They just kind
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of like open up the floodgates and said here you go,
and they just like walked up to the to the
rendezvous point inside the tunnel area.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So you being in the crowd and you seeing the
movement of the crowd, you see law enforcement move these
barriers step aside, and people start to flow in that direction.
Are you believing at that point that you have the
right to enter the building?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
For sure?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
I mean, you know it's they call it the People's
House for a reason, and any other day you can
go in scott free.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Apparently that day they had other plans for us.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So what happened when you got into the building.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Uh so we uh the guy went with and I
we made our way up top, more out of curiosity
for me than anything. Made it through the crowd, and
next thing I know, it's just a whole sea of
people flowing out of the tunnel. There's tear gas, there's
pepper spray in the air, there's people pinned down, There's there's.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
A whole whole slew of things going on.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So you never made it into the building, No, never did.
So you you were in that famous tunnel that everyone
talks about. That was a very chaotic situation. What was
actually going on in that tunnel were they police were
pushing back or what was going on there.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
So I had the I have the benefit of watching
body cam footage, you know, after all this, But that day,
my view was off to the side. I didn't see
what was actually going on inside the tunnel until the
police actually came to the front of it, and that's
when I saw an officer go down. That's when I
saw Roseanne Boiling in a corner being beaten, and uh,
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that's when I jumped into action.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
A lot of people don't talk about Roseanne Boilt. Everyone
talks about Ashley Babbitt, but Roseenne Boiler she lost her
life on that day too. What happened to her For
people that don't know her story.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Rosenne was inside the tunnel whenever they whenever the the officers,
uh spread the gas which sucked the oxygen out of
the air, and that caused people to panic and run out,
and she was trapped underneath the stampede.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And the police kept on pushing people over on top
of her.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
And you have people like I think her friend Justin Winchell, say,
you know, she's trapped, she's trapped, she's dying, and the
police didn't care. They were still pushing people on top
of her. And then you have Officer Lyla Morris who
took a stick from another guy and started beating her
in the face and then on the head. And I
mean miss Boylan was bleeding from her ears, her nose.
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I mean that she was already blue when I got
to her.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And when you got to her, obviously were trying to
pull her out of that mess.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
So when I got to her, I uh, In fact,
I got pulled downstairs when I was trying to help
a cop up off the ground, and then somebody pulled
her already out of the tunnel and I saw that
they were do CPR on her, and I'm trained, as
you know, first responder to do that. So I went
over there and let my services and we brought her
back to the tunnel because we couldn't get a pulse,
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we couldn't get anything going on, and that's when I
started chest compressions.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So after that happens. So you never made it in
the building. So where are these specific charges coming from,
Not just the I guess the trespassing which everyone who
was on the property got, but these assault charges and
these charges that seemed completely unfounded. What was the basis
for that?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
So when I saw the officer down, I jumped into action.
I put myself between him and the crowd. I put
my legs between his so that way he wouldn't get
dragged down. I'm trying to pick him up by the
vest and I get hit in the head with a baton.
So I pop up real quick and yell at the
person and say, you can't do that, it's deadly force.
At the same time, an officer's coming out of the
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crowd the police line and cross checks me in the
ribs and tries to push me down the stairs. Well,
I was a big guy back that was about three
hundred pounds then, and he couldn't move me. So I
I created separation, you know, like I was trained separate
yourself from the threat. And so when I pushed him,
that's when I got my assault charge. Now my other
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assault charges. Whenever I got dragged down the stairs, I
protected that officer because somebody was trying to go for
his guard. I said no quit, and they charged me
with assault with a deadly dangerous weapon because I had
gloves on and I touched him.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Insanity that somebody would be charged with that, I mean,
did you did.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
You ever identify yourself as law enforcement to any of
these officers to let him know like, hey, I'm not
here to fight with you guys, I'm here to help.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Well, I had a big sheriff patch on my vest,
so I mean, if that didn't do it, then I
don't know what would. But yeah, I had one officer
asked me if I was active, and I said, yes, sir,
I'm active.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And what was his response to that?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
He thanked me, yes, what are you planning on doing
now that you're out?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Are you class actually lawsuit something?
Speaker 6 (13:59):
So I actually have a class action lawsuit where actually
I have I have a personal lawsuit in with the
DC Jail over another incident that happened in there. I
got attacked by lieutenant. I can't really talk too much
about it because it's still going on. I know my
wife and I are talking about other things for litigation
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in regards to the day of the six and I
understand there's actually one guy that filed a filed a
lawsuit for deadly forced used on him with baton stracks
of the head. So I'm looking at that as well.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I had heard. I don't know if there's any truth
to it, because you weren't in d C when you
got pardoned, you were already in your prison. But for
the prisoners who were still in DC and the gulag
pending trial, I heard they were asked to sign these NDAs.
Did you hear anything about that from your j six
friends that you have out there.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
I've heard it on the you know, on the social media,
but I haven't heard it from anybody who's been released yet.
I've I've had called several of the guys that I've
did due time with, but they they've already, you know,
went to prison, been out, or just got released. I
did talk to a guy who he lives in Maine,
and right before the part and happened, they flew him
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from DC to Kentucky and just let him out there
and dropped him off.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I had heard about that. I haven't spoken to him
since he got released. But Enrique Tario, I heard they
moved him like thirty times. They call it diesel therapy. Bitically,
you get you get situated somewhere and then like a
week lay to they say.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Pack your bag and then in the dead of night.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Did they ever do that to you, move you from
facility to facility?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Yeah, I've been to eleven or twelve different facilities in
three years. Actually I did most of that within one
and a half years.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
So that by itself has got to be a form
of mental torture.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah it is. I mean, like like you said,
I just got established.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I got my clothes, I got my hygiene items, I
got a little bit of commissary. I can I can
snack on and then hey pack up. And then you
pack up, you can't really take anything, so you have
to restart over and over again. And the phone systems
aren't the same anywhere either, so I have to put
more money on the phone.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I have to waste this morning. You have to do this,
I have to do that. It's it's that that was
the hardest part.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That too.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And they're putting you. Imagine they're putting you on a
bus in the dead and knight. They're shackling you and
driving you twenty hours wherever you may be going.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yeah, I've I mean early morning ride, shackle, waste chain, Uh,
not knowing where you're going.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Several times I got I was told I was going
to court and never made it to a courthouse, made
it to another jail. The worst thing was getting flown
on Colin Air across the United States to uh from
from East coast to Oklahoma. You know, I've never been
to Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I don't even know where.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
You know, where I'm at in there, And the first
time I got there, I was I asked my wife,
I said, where the hell am I Where am I
calling from?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Because they really wouldn't tell me anything. Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
So back back the incident, So how you never made
it in the capitol. At what point during the day
did you leave the event and return to your hotel
or where you were staying.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Shortly after they pulled Rose in into the tunnel to
work on her in the back, I left there. I
was trapped in there a little bit. There was another
surge with some guys with riot Shultz pushing against the police.
An officer actually protected me and said I got you, man,
I got you, And you know I thank him. You know,
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he actually testified on my behalf in trial and I
got the seas parted and an older lady actually led
me out through the crowd because you know, I didn't
feel like I was safe going there, because people were
calling me a trader because I was standing there and
I wasn't doing any action.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So you leave, when you're walking away that day, did
you think something there's gonna be criminal consequences for this,
or you thought that was the.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
End of it.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Knowing, you know, knowing what I knew from a law
enforcement background, I knew there might have been a chance
of in a salt charge. But seeing the twenty twenty
Summer of love what they call it, in our city's
being burned down, our stores being looted, our people being killed,
I thought I'd get hit with a trespassion charge or
like a like a civil disturbance.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I didn't think i'd get you know, assault with a
deadly dangerous weapon.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, two hundred dollars fine and have an ice stay
that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, And that's how it
should have been. So you when did the legal consequences come?
When did you find out that they were looking for you?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
So the guy I went with, he tipped me off,
saying we're on the FBI most wanted list, And I'm like, oh, man,
I guess I made a big time and like that
kind of scared me. I puckered up a little bit,
but I continued my daily live and I continued going
to work.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I worked in the jail.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
I continued doing that and then eight months, seven months
later and August they got me.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
They picked me up.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So so you're home for seven months now? Are you
still working this time? There weren't any consequences with your job.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah, So I separated from law enforcement, you know, try
to do another field. I went into accounting because that's
what I went to college for. I think God had
other plans because that's when I went back into the jail.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
But on the other side, Yeah, so you.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
When you were separated, was that a direct result? How
did the department find out that you had been a
part of January sixth prior to getting arrested?
Speaker 6 (19:35):
The FBI actually, uh interviewed them, and I guess threatened
them not to say anything to me because I haven't
heard from my brothers in blue since that day, since
I since I got arrested.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's a shame of it, they put. They probably I'm
sure there's a lot of them that wanted to support
you and were threatened and couldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
So eight months after so, how how did.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
The arrest happen? Now?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Imagine you had attorneys at this time, because you know
that there's.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Something going on.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Uh no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
In fact, I thought, hey, you know, I'm just gonna
live my life and hopefully they just breeze by.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And you know, I'm living. I was living in a
fantasy world.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
You know. I was trying to tell myself, they're not
going to do it. It's it's been it's been seven months.
They're not going to come after me anymore. And the
day I stopped looking over my shoulder is the day
they picked me up.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
What?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
How did that happen? What happened they come to the house.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Uh no, Fortunately, they picked me up at work at
my accounting job and the guy, I'm going up the
stairs and there's an alcove before you go up the stairs,
and the FBI guy turns around and says, FBI, you're
under wrestling who me? You know, like, A, I didn't
do anything. He said, you're under rest for assault. I'm like, on,
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who who did I assault? Like I'm still not putting
anything together. And then he said January sixth, twenty twenty one,
I'm like, oh my god, they caught up. So they
they put me a handcuffs. Actually they patted me down
for I had my my you know, everyday carry on me.
They had trouble getting it out, so I, you know,
(21:06):
instinctively try to help them and reach for my gun
and that next thing, I know, I have like six
or seven barrels pointed at me.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
He said, don't you touch. I'm like, oh my goodness, here,
I am just.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Trying to help. Yeah, so they pick you up. What, like,
I can't imagine that, Like it just all comes crashing down.
FBI's there. I mean, can you at least call the
wife and say, like, hey, I'm not coming home for dinner.
I mean, what happened from that point?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
So they threw me in the back of the truck,
they searched my car, and then they took me to
the field office, and I did ask them, Hey, can
I call my wife? She's she's out of town. I
got dogs at the house. I need somebody to go
and take care of them, you know, like, please let
me call. He said, no, we can't call. But he
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actually made the call to my either my mother in
law or my.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Father in law. And that's how my wife figured out.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
And she got on a plane shortly afterwards and came
back home to take care of the dogs.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
In the house.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
And last time I seen her before that, you know,
it was you know, right before she left, you know,
and I didn't get to see her for over a year.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
How could you not have seen her for over a year.
They didn't allow you to have visitors.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
So before I got to d C, they kept on
transferring me. In fact, my first visitation was supposed to
be in a Kentucky jail. That morning, I get woken
up at three am saying I'm going on an airlift.
I'm like okay, and they're like, you're going to Oklahoma.
And I said, I got a visit today, Like you
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guys just acknowledge my visit. You guys approved it. How
am I going? And so I'm on the bus shackled
and I see I see Sarah in the parking lot,
waiting for the visitation time to go in. And she's
on the phone, and I'm screaming, you know, like hopefully
she can hear me. And the guys on the bus,
you know, look at me. It's like, shut up, man said,
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that's my wife. She's here to visit me. Man, I'm
from Tennessee. And so everybody else starts screaming her name,
trying to get her attention, but it was it was
too late.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
We already gone.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I'm assuming then that when you were picked up
by the FBI and you went to your first appearance,
you were not granted a.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Bond, so not right off the bed.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
I did win a bond hearing, but the government appealed
it and the judge, the judge, my child judge at
the time, upheld the appeal and left me in.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
So from the day you got arrested in August of
twenty twenty one till Monday, you were in continuous custody.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yes, their never been out.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's a form of torture.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
What they did was moving your on. Did you cry
when you saw your wife in.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
The parking lot?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, actually it was a negatively. I was I was
housing Minnesota, and I mean, to me, that's the north pole.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
But it was negative thirty four windshield that night, and
I mean my beard froze, my eyes were frozen up.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I mean it just I teared up. I cried, you know,
I'm not ashamed to admit it. Of course.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So you're in there pre trial.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
So what do you do now?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So did you have to retain private attorneys or did
you have a public defender.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
So at first I had a public defender till I
could get a private attorney. I had him for about
eighteen months. We had some differences, and so I let
him go and then retain another private attorney who actually
kicks some matrix butt. But I already knew I was
going up against the regime and the system. I already
(24:50):
knew I was going to be guilty, but I had
to get the truth out there.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So when was your trial? So you get arrested in
twenty twenty one August, when do you go to trial?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I went to Drew September and twenty three.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
And during that whole time for pre trial, you were
in the DC.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Jail for the majority of the time.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yeah, and that was the j six wing, what we
famously hear about.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yes, sir, so they had.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Was that just coincidence or they had an entire wing
for you guys.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
No, they put us all together for they said for
our protection.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I think it was more for their protection because they
didn't know what to do with us, because I mean,
I don't know if you've heard, you know what we
went through. But I mean about forty to fifty of
us has changed that jail that's been operating for over
thirty four years of corruption, and we changed it because
we know the law.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Now. I've heard horror stories coming out of there. We've
talked to a lot of guys.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Were you part of the guys who would sing the
national anthem every night?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yes? Sir? Oh my god? What so?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I mean, I guess from any kind of tragedy comes
some positivity.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
But the community that formed, yeah, that's got to be
an unbreakable bond. These people are going to be in
your lives forever.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
The first night I got out, my wife gifted me
a phone and so here call this guy and I
caught it was one of the guys actually did time with.
And just hearing the excitement on his voice because he
was already out in uh because he's served his time,
but just the excitement in his voice of hearing me
out free, I mean, that was unbreakable, unbreakable bond.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So you go to trial, obviously, you know the deck
is stacked against you. You're convicted. What are you looking at?
You got seventy months? What were you facing? Maximum?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
So I had my charge carrier a maximum of I
think twenty or twenty five years. They offered me two
plea deals, one a year before trial for ten years
with the assault of deadly weapon, and then another one
a week before trial. Uh, with the assault with weapons enhancements.
It's basically the same for the same amount of time
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ten years. And said if I didn't take that, they're
gonna charge me with another assault. And they couldn't because
I didn't really assault anybody.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I was in.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I interacted with the two officers, so they we go
to trial and they asked for twelve and a half years,
and I got seventy months.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
So you beat the plea, Yeah, pretty much. We at
criminal defense, I mean we yeah, sometimes you go to triale,
you lose, but you beat the plea. So seventy months
and then how many facilities.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Did you go to?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
From there?
Speaker 6 (27:35):
So I got out of d C and went to
Philadelphia for I think one and a half months, got
flown to Oklahoma into a private prison, Cemarron, which I
was a minimum custody there, but somehow, some way overnight
I got transferred to the maximum security side and it
(27:56):
was spent three days in there. I mean, they got
me out as fast as possible and I went to
a county jail in Missouri to make my way to
Kansas City to an airplane to Rochester, Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
And every facility you went to when you were sentenced,
were there January sixth, defendants?
Speaker 6 (28:12):
There, Uh, just a couple Alexandria, Orange County and DC
and then Philadelphia was.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Kind of our jumping off point to be transferred across America.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Were there any facilities you were in where you were
one of the only j sixers?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, I uh, the first two Kentucky jails I was in,
I was the only one.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
What was that experience? Like?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I was incredibly lonely.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Uh, you know, my lawyer tells me, told me, don't say,
you know, don't tell people your charges, don't tell people
who you are. So I kind of kept the law
enforcement you know, background hush hush. But these guys inside
aren't stupid.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Uh, you know, they they do. They did.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
They found out eventually January sixth, and they gave me
some advice, you know, and I kind of knew being
on the inside as a deputy, you know, you kind
of you need to talk about some of your charges.
So I kind of like told him, you know, I
got into sault charge of this, sawt charge of that.
But I left the January sixth out because I was
you know, we're still in the time where people didn't
(29:20):
like Trump.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Were you ever in any danger?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Uh uh yeah? So DC.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
My first time in d C, we went through quarantine
and I got stabbed over a phone call because the
guy jumped me in front of the in line. He
made his third phone call when I was trying to
make my first, and I kind of told him how
I felt about it, and he pulled out his his
his weapon and stood on the table and started talking
(29:48):
trash and said, well, we can do it or we can't.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
You know me, either way, I'm getting on this phone.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
And then in Oklahoma when I went to MAXIMUMS security,
they say, hey, look, you're.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Gonna need a knife. Oh my god, hell am I
you know, like I need a knife?
Speaker 6 (30:06):
So I told him who I was, you know, I said, hey, look,
I'm just a January sixth I'm passing through. You know,
I'm gonna hold my own, but I don't plan on,
you know, doing what you guys are doing. So they said,
all right, cool. You know, if anything pops off, we're
gonna lock you and yourself. I said, that's fine with me.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So I imagine that that there was a time where
it looked completely hopeless, where you just said, I'm just
gonna do my seventy months. That's gonna be how my
life goes. Was there a time when you gave a
pope and thought, I'm never getting partoned, This isn't gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
So I didn't want to kid myself, you know, And
you know I I prepared myself to do the full
seventy months. Even when Trump won. I knew, like I
knew I was gonna get out, but just in case,
I still had it in my mindset that Okay, I'm
gonna do seventy months because I rather to be pleasantly
(31:00):
surprised and disappointed.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Imagine the mental toughness one has to develop in your situation,
try to keep your marriage alive, trying to keep your hope,
whatever hope you can grasp onto and then Trump wins
the election, and at that point, how did you know?
Could the pardon happens? But what was going into it?
Were you communicating with attorneys? Were you saying, hey, get
my pardon application in what were you doing at that point?
(31:25):
Once you won the election? You knew this was reality.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Uh so I really wasn't doing too much on the
inside other than other than doing my time and trying
to get out as fast as possible without the pardon.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Sarah, she's you know, she's a warrior. She was doing
everything behind the scenes.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
She would tell me that, hey, you have an attorney
that's doing a clemency for me, or do you have
an attorney talking to the Trump team this or that?
And it's like, well, thank you, because I don't have
any numbers and I don't know how to get a
hold of people and only have fifteen minutes a day
to make a call.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
This sounds like a boolltal movie, isn't it. It does?
I mean, I think, I think your story is I
think could be told many different ways by many different people,
so many experiences, people's lives destroyed by the government for
simply going to a protest in a public place where
we as Americans have always been taught public buildings occupying
(32:17):
government buildings as a staple of protests. Colton's one hundred
percent right. We had just come off eight months of
fiery riots and CNN telling us this is stunning and brave,
and one afternoon at the Capitol by people who had
no intent to do any hill will or overthrow the government.
That's not an insurrection, and you need to tell me
that's worse than nine to eleven Pearl Harbor combined.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I think cold.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You realize, we all realized that if Trump had lost
that election, you'd still be in prison right now. You
would be forgotten, you'd be doing your seventy months, and
that would be that. So Monday night rolls around, when
do you find out you've been pardoned? And you specifically
because he signed fifteen hundred, someone come and say like,
(32:58):
hey man, you're going home.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
How does it work?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (33:01):
So, Sarah and my mother in law, Miss Kims, they
actually came up that Monday for visitation and they called
me over to visitation and they said, hey, I have
to make a pit stop to the unit manager's office.
So okay, you know, this is kind of weird, never happened,
had to do this before. So I make a pit stop.
He said, hey, look, you know today's inauguration day. We
(33:22):
got paperwork ready just in case you're going home. I said, oh, okay,
you know, like you know, this is gonna be a great,
great visit. So I go out, I leave, go to
the visit. We we didn't even talk that much. We
were all glued to the TV and the visitation room
because we were watching the inauguration, and he would danger
(33:44):
round of the parties and the January six ers.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
And it wasn't until.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
About I think five o'clock when he got to the
to the auditorium, and after you talked about the Israeli hostages,
he said he's gonna pardon when he gets back to
the White House, he's gonna parten the j Anyway six ers.
And then next thing I know, I'm being called over
the intercom back to the unit manager's office and say, hey,
pack your stuff go.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I'm like, that's awesome, you know. So I ran over
to my room, packed.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Up, got taken down to discharge, and then I got
taken back to the unit because they didn't have the paperwork.
So I'm like, oh, my goodness, you put me that's
a cruel joke. I told him that that's that's the
cruelest thing you could ever do to me. And then
til hours passed by, I'm pacing back and forth. You know,
I'm gonna like, oh man, am I getting out today?
Am I not getting out? Am I the partying, AM
(34:32):
my commutation and my you know what, I'm just gonna
go to bed. So about ten thirty eleven o'clock I
lay down and as soon as my head has to
pill of the light switch, the light turns on and
the officer comes in, Hey, it's real this time, we
got your paperwork.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Get out. So that's that's how it went down. And
I never looked back. You're wight.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
They just literally they just opened the door and say bye.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Here you're gun.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
So they made sure that that I actually had somebody
to pick me up. I mean, they asked me, you know,
where's my family? Said coincidentally, they're here for a visitation,
so they're gonna stay just in case if anything happens.
And I thank god they did, because they would have
put me on a bus back to Tennessee and I'd
probably still be riding on.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It try to try to figure out how to get
home now. When Trump said because you had assault charges,
which quote unquote would be considered.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Violent, when the administration or JD.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Vans or someone was talking about delineating between violent nonviolent,
were you afraid that you might accidentally get shuffled?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
In with violent offenders and maybe not get a pardon.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
And that put me through you know, so many, so
many arguments within myself, you know, and on paper I'm violent,
but in reality, and we've all seen the videos, I'm not.
I just I help people, and so I went to
prison for helping people. But on paper, I'm considered a
violent terrorist. Like I just prayed that I would not
(36:03):
get lost in the in the system, and that you know,
they're just expressing their lip service, and you know, lo
and behold. You know, the one man makes the decision,
and that's Trump himself, and he said everybody that I
I love.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
That he did that at the end. Now everybody got pardoned.
Now some just got commutations. Do we know who got
the commutations and why?
Speaker 6 (36:25):
It is my understanding that it's the the big names
of the Proud Boys and nosekeepers. I'm not sure why,
but I have an idea, but I don't want to
say anything right now, just in case it's true.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, But as of this day, as of this moment,
there is not one January sixth defendant.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
In custody as far as I know, We're all out.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
So so what now.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So so you are pardoned, so that effectively means that
this is wiped clean. You were, you were forgiven. Where
do you go from here? What is your life moving forward?
For you and your fellow January six ers? I mean,
how do you put this trauma behind you and channel
it this thing positive? I mean, obviously you're doing that.
Your wife's been a hell of a champion for you.
But what's life like now?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, that's a great question. You know.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
I'm not I'm not gonna put a badge back on
and go into field work, but I am gonna do
some reform it. We didn't go through this to do nothing.
We went through this to actually make a change. And
since we've been on the inside, we know how the
Brial of Prisons operates, we know how the system operates.
We've all seen the two tier justice system, you know,
involving Trump. We are going to be loud and we're
(37:36):
gonna make a change and we're going to actually do
some effective work. None of this lip service where the
government officials say, oh yeah, we're gonna look at this.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
No, we're boots on the ground and we're doing something nice.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
That's incredible, And I'm so thankful for you, and I'm
thankful for Trump, and I can't imagine what you've been through.
But it is over and we you know, the people
that have been you know, put for Trump and fighting
and trying to get elected. Getting you guys pardoned was
one of the foremost issues in getting Trump elected. In
twenty seventeen, he was elected for the border. He was
(38:09):
elected to eliminate ISIS. In twenty twenty five. His mandate
is to pardon the J Sixers, among other things, which
he has done in the first day. An amazing week.
We're really proud of what we've seen. And just you know,
for whatever it's worth, so sorry you had to go
through that, So sorry that this has claimed so many
good people. That mean, you did your time. You've come
(38:31):
out of it. I'm sure the experience and the growth
you've gotten from it in the long run, you know,
has made you a better person. But it's three years
of your life you can't get back. And yeah, we're
not getting any younger. And just I feel for you guys.
But when I found out you guys were pardoned that night,
I mean just a sense of joy that you would
have thought, you know, we were pardoned ourselves, just the
(38:52):
camaraderie that we feel.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
And I remember watching you guys on TV on J
six and I'm like, they're.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
There to have their voices heard and not one. I mean,
And I was so mad at establishment Republicans, you know,
Mitch McConnell and those guys. You know, he's all over
the story coming in that night, calling you guys terrorists
and saying this and that. But we didn't know all
the facts yet. I mean, Democrats stand by their people
left and right. We need to do a better job
of not trying to get out in front of CNN
(39:19):
and go, oh my god, this is terrible. Please don't
hate me, because they're gonna hate you anyway. And once
people found out, understand that the idea of JA six
pardons really went from very much a fringe idea to
mainstream over time as we really found out about what
JAY six was. And we owe that to people like
your wife, like some of the defendants who were speaking
(39:42):
out pre trial, even getting gag orders put on them.
We had Big O'barnett on the show but four times
before he went to trial talking about, hey, I'm not
supposed to say this, but this is what's going on?
And it educated the masses because from one hundred yards
away you could look at the capital and.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Go, oh, well, what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Oh, they're rioting there.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Looks like up to no good. But to understand twenty
six at least twenty six.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Federal cooperators at the crowd. You have reyps running around
who got twelve months of misdemeanor probation saying we got
a store of the Capitol officers stepping aside. National Guard
called down twenty thousand pound doors unlocked. There was obviously
it was a powder keg. The government knew that people
were going to be there, and the idea was to
rile them up, to entrap them and use that to
(40:24):
push an agenda going forward. And the election of Donald
Trump was the wall that that progress stopped on, because
had Kamala won, that would have been away going forward.
And again, what do you think Joe and Joe Biden
giving a part into the entire subcommittee, the entire J
six committee. Their work is so full of integrity and
(40:45):
fighting for truth and justice and preserving democracy that I
have to parton every one of them on the morning
I'm leaving the office.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Is that the same guy said no one's above the law.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yes, same exact guy.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
We Honestly, when I heard that he part of the
Unselect Committee, I wasn't surprised, but I was mad because
I mean, they played my videos, they demonize me, yet
they're the real criminals. They actually hid evince, they actually
perjured themselves. They put a show trial on, a literal
show trial on because it was produced by a movie maker,
(41:21):
and they didn't even use all the evidence, and they
deleted everything. All of them should be locked up and
go through what we went through, just to get a
little taste.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Well, we'll see. Interestingly enough, just a side note, we're
talking about partons of Biden, pardons Faucci. I think Vladimir
Putin says, hey, we may indict him here in Russia
for what he did to us, so there could potentially
be state level charges. I know that crass are up
in Philadelphia is talking about what we might file state
charges for J six. I have a feeling this is
all behind us, this is over. I wish you the
(41:52):
best of what coming forward and going forward. I'm so
glad you're here. We knew you would be here after
Trump won. We knew that this was gonna happen, and
just God bless and thank you for being here. How
could people reach out to you and find out more
about you and support you and your efforts going forward.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Yeah, you can reach out to me on X and
truth Social I finally got those things that at J
six Sheriff. And then if you want to know more
about my story keep up with me, you can go
to my wife's website, Sarah mccaby dot us.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Guys, I got to commend you, the one married man
to another. I think my wife would do the same
thing she wrote for you, man. She really did, and
she was your champion. And you know, may all of
you men be as lucky in life to have a
wife like Sarah who will stand by you under the
most dire of circumstances.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
And God has blessed you and glad you're here. Man,
thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I just called you.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Okay, Well, hey, man, I love those Jay six stories
just because there is a happy ending to that.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
There's a part of the story though that I don't
think a lot of us were aware of the torture
of moving him at all. I was not aware of
that torture.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Well, I had found out about that when I was
listening to Tario to his press conference, because I know
both of his lawyers or fellow attorneys. And yeah, they
call it in the system, they called diesel therapy because
of the diesel buses. And it's basically a form of torture.
You get situated, you get unpacked, maybe you meet a
couple of people, you get your commissary, and then they
come and say three in the morning, get up. They
(43:23):
shackle you, They take all your stuff, put them in
cardboard boxes and put you on a bus for twenty
hours to you don't even know where you're going. You
might be in Arizona, and then three days later you're
in Nebraska, and then you know, two months later you're
in Minnesota, and then you're in Florida. They like all
over the country, just as a way to keep you
on edge. And just the human condition is to seek
(43:46):
comfort and to seek a home and to make a
place your own, and to constantly take that away from
you is a form of torture. It's the same like
he said he didn't see his wife for a year.
I mean, that's how you drive people to suicide. And
the government was implicit and that was the intent of
the government. They wanted to drive these people mad. I
hope we find out more. I hope there are lawsuits.
(44:06):
I hope there's prosecutions. If they were torturing, beating, emotionally
tormenting prisoners in DC, like I heard those cittistic guards
were doing. Maybe hammer of justice come down swiftly, because
how we could do this to our fellow American over
political differences. That's what it comes down to. Believe me,
(44:26):
had they been protesting for transgender rights or gun control
or pro Hamas, they'd be hailed as heroes. Congress would
literally get down on their knees like they did for
the BLM protesters in twenty twenty. It's disgusting. It's a
great story.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
He really should write a book and somebody should pick
it up and make a movie out of it, because it's.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Hey, well, maybe some of our conservatives in Hollywood, you're
Mel Gibson, your Kevin Sorbos, you get together and produce
a Jay six movie.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
That being said, want to thank you for spending your
Saturday after dealing with us, and please make sure to follow.
Colton Maccabee, a great, great patriot with a painful but
uplifting story. Make sure you give him a follow, hit
up that Patreon, Patreon dot complash Bob and Eric. Everything
you give helps us keep coming to you every week.
And with that, let's enter week two. If week one
(45:14):
is any indication of Trump's second term, this country is
gonna be fixed by next Tuesday. Take care, guys, God
bless
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