Ep 155 | Silicon Valley: "Optimal Tip-to-Tip Efficiency" - Boob Tube Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
They call it the Cradle of Innovation, a real hotbed
for the brightest minds in tech. To gather anyone who's
anyone in the technology industry, they go to this place.
And now I'm not talking about Ozark, Missouri, the bootoo
Ink studio headquarters.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's more of a podcasting hub exactly.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's where the Boutu Boys record their shows. But now
I'm talking about Silicon Valley. Brian Vonn you seem like
someone who would love Silicon Valley. Tell me everything you
know about it.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, I'm all about money in tech and wearing sunglasses
backwards and driving cars that go upside down. So I
knew it, you know me. Oh, did you guys see
how one hundred dollars bills are falling out of my
pants right now?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I did notice it. Didn't want to say anything, though.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, oh Van's picking them up. I should have thought
more about this was really for show.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I need those Give me a real quick elevator pitch
on your startup idea.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Okay, so I know that there's a real problem for
people out there with dollar bills falling out of their pants.
So what you do is you take a trough and
you drag it behind you with ropes. Ropes pull around
the person and then the bills fall into the trough
and then they can have their slaves or sorry, it's
twenty twenty four. We need to be appropriate servants pick

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them up for them.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's fantastic. I would valuate that at one hundred and
twenty million.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, someone could get a hold of a tech company
right now for the what is this dollar bill trough?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, no, let's say no, no, we need to come
up with something clever, so it'd be like trough, vulgar square.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Uh, it's troff.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think we have a nose for this sort of thing.
I've always thought that. Like I was telling you guys
when I was reading the intro to the show last
week when we did our preview, I was telling you guys,
the main character's name, last name is Hendrix. There's a
lot of overlap between these characters and the show and
us in our skill set. Like I think that Van
would make an excellent Gilfoy.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's the big guy who's kind of dry with kill foil.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Sorry, yes, okay, long hair, beard, glasses, very good computer guy,
very drying. Yeah, satanist, Satanist. We don't get a lot
of that in the episodes we cover, but that's a
general overview of Gilfoyle.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Who's Brian Comil mount Giohanny.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I don't know if Brian would want to go for
that role.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
You'd never know.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
You might be able to pull off what Jared does
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, you could be a little bit administrative and scared.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh okay, so Gabe, I don't know any of their names.
I'm very bad about that. Yeah, I really enjoyed him, and.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
We will go over amazing. The cast is going to
take us quite a while to do, and we're going
to have some caveats that we'll have to get into
a little bit on some of that.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, because like half of them are awful in real life.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, it turned out that some of the cast members
that maybe didn't go the way the show creators hoped it.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I actually found I don't know if you've found this, Spencer,
but I was looking up why that might have happened,
and I guess a hex was put on the cast
at the time of the show's creation, So a full
fifty percent had to be cold for bad behavior.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
That's all because Elon Musk funded that Hedge Witch Project
where they would then heck, I count show.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I can believe that somehow I will do a little
caveat on my own. Up front, this is actually the
first time when I was watching a show for Boob
two Boys that I didn't really know anything about it
going in, but I knew that I wanted to see
more of it. So I have watched the entirety of
season one and two myself. We're doing the last episode
of season one and two, of course, but little background research.

(03:28):
I wanted to watch the whole seasons. I didn't go
past our episode that we're covering next week, season two,
episode ten, So I don't know anything about what happens
in season three through six. Brian knows a little bit,
but he doesn't know the end either. And you've you've
only seen these two.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Right, only these two? So what have you seen then, Brian?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I have seen the first four seasons with six total run, Yeah,
which I watch as they were airing. So you guys
didn't see any Stephen Tobolowski.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
No, not at all. I don't know what comes up,
and I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I'm going to tell you guys this one thing about him.
He plays a character named action Jack Bark perfect.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I mean that sounds.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Great, brilliant character actor, he can do it.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
We always say when we finish talking about these shows,
like well would you do it? Would you watch this?
And I will say I'm going to start season three
of this like immediately, so I will be finishing the show.
I won't be going into what happens after our episodes
like we try to do on these sometimes because I
don't know and I didn't want to spoil it, So
we won't be doing that. But I do know every
little thing that happens up through what we see, so

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we can do a little bit of that before episodes,
and what we usually do at the start of these
boot two Boys episodes where we talk about the cast,
we talk about the show, we do a little bit
of an overview. We will be getting into what is
this one season one episode eight tip to opt.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
To Timmel tip tip tip efficiency. Yes, I wrote it now.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
So Silicon Valley the show that ran from twenty fourteen
to twenty nineteen, six seasons, fifty three episodes in total.
It was on HBO. So again I can't speak to
the nature of how it ended. I'm not sure if
it got a good ending, or if the show was
even doing well with that point they all died. It
was as I mentioned in our teaser last week, is

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created by Mike Judge with a couple other guys, John
alt Schuler and Dave Krinsky.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I've heard the first name, and I don't know where from,
but I think he's done stuff. The second one never
heard of it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I definitely know about Mike Judge.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, well, of course I know Mike Judge. I didn't
know he did this show. This is completely He's.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Really had his hand in a lot of stuff over
a thirty year period.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Stay most Yeah, so this show actually did win. I'm sorry.
It was nominated for Outstanding Comedy Series, so it got
a lot of attention when it was on. And as
we mentioned, it is a parody of the culture of
Silicon Valley, which is good. I'm really glad that it
was so self aware and at no point tried to
make it look like the guys in Silicon Valley are
in any way tolerable.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
One of the Mike Judge hallmarks is being able to
do that sort of thing, which is the King of
the Hill thing, which is here's a bunch of unlikable people.
We're gonna find the heart in this, but we are
not going to go easy on it.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
The league character is Richard Hendricks, programmer who founds a
start company called Pied Piper and chronicles the struggles to
maintain his company while facing competition from larger entities. That's
the business world for you.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I mean, what is it like? You got two two
bad scenes? Don't make where's my old guitar? I couldn't
stop thinking about Hamlin rule while watching this episode because
I kept saying Piper.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
And you know Martin mull past reorthing. Yeah, one of
the greats. Truly one of the greats. And also in
our podcast Lore two Rip.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
The lead character, Richard Hendricks, is played by an actor
who I have not heard of actually called Thomas middle Ditch.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
It's a weird name, kind of like a nerd hero
there for a bit, not anymore, but he.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Does have the look of a nerd.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
He and Ben Schwartz, who played gen Ralphio on Parks
and rec had like an improv duo that got very popular.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I could see that he does the mumbly thing really well.
It is kind of one note for me after watching
the two seasons. I know he was the kind of
a straight man protagonist, but I mostly enjoyed the other
people outside of him in the show.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
But that's often the case with your bland protagonists. He's
just there for the others town.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
He just does his nervous energy, sort of mumblely thing.
He's fine, and he is.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I think he's actually maybe a little better than he
needs to be sure that sort of role. And I
say this having seen I'm watching season three right now
because I'm like, I'm gonna go ahead and finish since
I didn't finish before. And he he's not like doing
a total heel turn. But the more he engages with
his hubris, the character changes, which is good because all
of those tech bros, no matter how bumbling and sweet

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they may be at the beginning, if you give them
any shred of money or credit, they will devour you
and everything you love.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
We'll do the caveats afterwards. We'll go ahead and get
through the cast, and then we'll mention what we know
about some of the actual people that played the characters. TJ.
Miller played ERLK. Bachman. TJ. Miller was in Cloverfield. He's
in the Dead Pull movies opposite Ryan Reynolds. He does
an outstanding job. We'll just leave it at that for now.
As Erlec Bachman.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Unbearable character at times for me, and I think that
if I were to watch this show and there was
a point where I would stop watching, it's because I've
had too much of this guy. Because for example, well,
I guess I'm getting ahead of myself, but this show
enraged me.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
What a shock.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, well, the whole tech industry and the when you
start throwing out words like venture capital, shit like that founders.
I hate that so much. I did editing for a
guy like that, who you know, they want to get
that industry. They want to make millions of dollars, just
like the guys in the show. And basically, these two
dudes had an idea. I don't know, it may not

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even be as good as my money catching trough, but
they have an idea. Some old white man goes, I
like that idea, I'll invest here's three hundred million dollars. Suddenly,
these two kids, who you know, never really had much.
I mean, I'm sure they came from somewhat wealthy families,
but this is crazy money, suddenly have all this money,
they bought podcast equipment, decided we're the experts, we're going

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to do a venture capital podcast. And I edited it
for several months and rudle every second of it was unbearable.
A the guy should not be near a microphone. Now,
I understand podcasting is accessible for everyone, but if you
stutter like that, you just your talent s lie elsewhere.
You don't need to be doing that. Because he was
the well, I think, and that's fine. A stutter's media.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's very effective if you're the guy who does the
start of what would you do the Nickelodeon in television.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Show, not in a podcast. And it was unbearable to
edit for that reason. But also those people treat other
people like they're not people. Of course they do the
things like I swear to you. I heard someone say
on one of the episodes. Oh, you know, with that point,
as your business starts to grow and you need to
shift and you don't need to make up some shortcomings
of money, don't be afraid to fire. You know tens

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of thousands of people, and they were talking about some
exploited people's in a different country. You know, they only
make thirty five cents an hour. Or something like that.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
But well, yeah, that view of everything as a means
to an end.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's just they quit looking at people as people and
see them as commodities for the money and that sort
of thing. And I hate that. I think you were
a fucking monster if you do that. And I do
think the people in this show they present that well,
maybe not as well as they should.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I do, and I think that's why it didn't bother
me as someone who's always bothered like of something. I
think there are times in the show where it makes
it a little harder to like root for people. Sure,
you know, but I don't think that it is necessarily
a bug because it does bake in all of the
complications of this. Is like you see these kids when
they're young trying to do a thing they believe in,

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whether it's fucked up or not, and then you see
them slowly just doing it for money. So I think
the show's handling the material really really dodges a lot
of that. And I do think though there is a
problem that we have of like sort of when we
watch I was thinking about The Wolf of Wall Street,
which gets a lot of this too, a lot of
talk about like is this glorifying you know, a horrible

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ultra capitalist culture or whatever. And to me it seems
very clear. No. But if you're going into it without
much like understanding of like this is a Martin Scorsese movie,
these are these actors, and I understand the feel of
this movie, you could watch it and be like, this
is a celebration of this.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I mean people still to this day are like
Gordon Gecko rules. Yoh, Gordon Gecko was a villain.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, And it's like, you know, I understand the message
of Fight Club. I don't think you do.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Like Yeah, for me, I didn't mind as much with
Erlick because I didn't really care about him, like personally.
It wasn't like I hope things go well for Erlic
because he was in there to do his little bit,
and then he got out in a lot of cases, and.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I forgot that's where all this started. Frankly, And let
me say, on the side of Erlick as somebody. When
I was watching the show in the original run, love
that guy like that. I was very into that character.
I don't know if it was just watching it weekly
or whatever, but this time I did notice a couple
of line reads that didn't quite you know, there are
some that he doesn't quite but when he hits them
dead on, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
T J.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Miller was very good at that sort of blustery asshole
character for some reason.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, I was just gonna say he is that guy though,
So that's why he was good at it, And I
mean I've never seen him in any other role that
wasn't that.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, he does have that effect where you listen to
him and he is just a huge asshole. There's no
doubt about that right away. It's just so it's so
effective comedically and his little because I mean most of
them act like assholes in the show, and what he
does to sprinkle it on top is a welcome change
of pace. Sure, but yeah, not all the lines hit
comedically in this show. There's certainly some parts that fall flat,

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and that's partly the writing wasn't always there for some
of it.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Well, with the Mike Judge show, like they're always so
joke heavy that you are going to get some misses.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Absolutely, and the show also after the fact, got a
lot of flak for being a boys club in the
writer's room and the actors. So I think there's some
questionable stuff with the making of it. Maybe it's not
or didn't need to be made. I don't think that,
but I think there were some problems to behind the scenes.
And if you're watching it with a discerning eye, I
think you can kind of see that sort of stuff

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in the show just from like the fact of the
cast is like six dudes, and sure there are some
women on there, but they're clearly second rate. They're not
part of the core group or whatever, and I think
they probably should have done something.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
The essential problem with all television. Yeah, five years ago
and still.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Sort of and Erlik is a first name, ERLK.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Bachman.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
That is dumb, No thank you man.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
One thing about that character. I love how every single
part of him is written as a douchebag, Like I mean,
just every part, bit of his backstory, everything he does.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
All the facial hair, weird cuts. I almost did that, Senate,
I had to shave to shrim it down today and
I almost did, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Should we don't get much of Josh Brenner, who plays
Nelson Baghetti. I don't think we get maybe any of
him in these two episodes. I'm not sure, because I
did watch all of them myself. So I don't remember
if we get a lot of take check he is.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I ought to look him up because I don't.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I don't think we do. And he's honestly, like not
very much of a character in the show other than
the first season.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
He is Richard's best friend. They both program, but not
nearly at the same level. So big Head is listed
in the cast as a big cast member, but he
gets kind of phased out pretty quickly because he doesn't
have the skills that the rest of them do, and
he doesn't end up having to place with pie Piper,
the company that is trying to steal Richard Hendricks's program

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his technology, accidentally poaches big Head, thinking that he can
help them because he was involved.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
But yeah, he turns out to just be an idiot
hang around.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
He just makes a lot of money there for doing nothing. Now.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
The plot line with him, though, is very funny in
Lampoon's the whole Silicon Valley thing, and that he keeps
getting promoted at Hooley, the rival company, because they keep
thinking like he must just mysterious, Like this mysterious guy
just he's been around all these successful things.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
He must be doing something. Yeah, yeah, he's not. In
our episodes because I don't recognize that guy at all.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
There's not any of that touched on in ours. When
we got we needed the fun alleys, they just focus
on the big plot that was happening at the end
of it, and they kind of left those side stories off. Next,
we have Martin Starr. That's Bertram Gilfoyle. He's actually in
quite a few things I don't remember him being in,
like Adventureland, Knocked Up and this is the end. I've
seen all of those and don't remember Martin Starr in

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those and Party Down. It does a really good job
in his dry roll. Like we talked about earlier.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
This is mostly all I've seen him do. But I mean,
this is another case where he's so good at this.
He does it very well, and you know, I mean,
maybe it's a satanism. I don't know, but I like
the character, and I think of the Silicon Valley guys,
this might be the one to like because he seems
to just like doing his stuff and that is absolutely
right Van And that comes up later in the series too,

(15:44):
when he refuses to and that's when I feel the
most solidarity. Like you said, he's kind of a good character.
Because if something doesn't like, if he doesn't think something's
being done with any reason other than financial gain, he
just won't do it, which does come up later.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's probably why I glommed on of the guy, because
there is that vibe there.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Next to we have Kamel Nanjiani. It plays Denesh choke Tie.
You don't ever hear his last name in the episodes
that I saw, so I just put it down from
IMDb and I hope that's how you say it.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I only heard Danesh maybe once or twice in our episodes,
and unfortunately every time I hear it, I think of
Denesh Desuza, who is a goblin, so I don't like him.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
This is our second time with Kumel because he was
in our Star Wars episode.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
He's in Kenobi and that he's he looks a little
different in that right. He ripped as fuck then like
a fucking lunatic.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
And he wasn't wearing a Denny shirt in the Coon Valley.
He's always wearing Denny from the Room shirts, but.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
He wasn't that in Star Wars because that would be weird.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
He did a couple apparently had his own movie, The
Big Sick that I haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I was pretty popular.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I saw that movie. It was very good.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I have to remember what you said, but worth watching.
People were coming out and being like, if you're an
artistic person, this is the movie. This is the critical darling.
And I remember hearing that. But then everyone I would
see talking about it and I asked about it, which
is like, no, it was pretty good. Yeah, I like no,
one is like, oh my god, this is the best
thing ever. But I don't know it. You got a weird,
weird traction when it really.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think there was a little bit of that boost
of like, well, Khumel's making the transition into drama, right,
and that always happens when a comedian does that, is
any Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I feel like that he would definitely always be funny
anyway though it's.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well yeah, And I think that's the case with pretty
much all of the comedians who make the jump, and
I think that's why they're good at it. Yeah, is
a lot of dramatic actors when they try to be funny,
it's like.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Oh yeah, it's that whole cliche that they always say
about how comedy is the hardest form of acting or whatever.
It holds true when the comedians can do the other thing.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
But yeah, like I I don't mean to see Daniel
d Lewis joking around.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I don't think he would know how No, I just
can't imagine that.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Michael Shannon telling a stand up set. Oh man, Yeah,
I'd be scared.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
And these are such good actors, so you think, like,
why can't they do that, But it's it's just not
part of their It's just a.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Different yeah, a different thing.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Kumiln Gianni. I did actually take a recent trip with Katie.
We did a little vacation over the weekend. It was fun.
We listened to Beta Mail the Camillo Nan Johnny stand
up set that is brilliant. It's a great one. It's
a little slow at the end, but overall pretty good.
And just a dude that I think Hollywood understands is
kind of an asshole but does get work because he

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is supremely talented and he's.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
An asshole in the way where if he is you know,
I don't know the guy, but like he can still
get work because he's not the sort of asshole that
some of the other people in the cast might be.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, yeah, true, I just don't like Mustley guys. Like,
if you have the weird discipline to be I mean,
go look up Kamil Nan Johnny. He is like gross jacked,
like steroids, works out every moment of the day. And
I'm not saying it does steroids, but it looks like
that and that I don't know. I've never met a
guy that does that that I would go, oh, this

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guy's great.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah. I really think it's a function too, of someone
being like, we'll give you twenty million dollars to look
like a superhero and be in this movie.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
And of course when you have that money you can
do that.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
You have the time.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's hard to imagine watching him in this show and
him looking like that. Yeah, it's just it's nuts. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, really, anyone in this show being jacked seems strange.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Thomas Middle ditch Jack would be the weirdest.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I'm pretty sure that guy can't. He's just got that
super scrawny build where it's just not possible.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
It'd be like me being jacked. That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
And it's also funny to imagine Irlik, you know, because
he's They play on him being a heavier guy so much.
It's it's him being ripped in shape is just weird.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Well, I watched these back to back. Of course, he's
won in season two episodes, and in the first one
I thought he's pretty chunky. Here in season two he's
finned up a bit and he looks a little more
like he does in more recent.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Stuff, Like can they style him a little better? Oh?
You know, like I think that helps, Like he doesn't
look as don't be I see him a chunky.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
No, he just seems to want to play into being
Like I'm not saying it goes to this length, but
he has kind of that comfort in his quirky appearance,
like Kevin James sort of thing. It's not that it's
not that extreme.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's a very lean in thing. All this guy does
is smoke his bong and eat cereal, you know, is
the idea?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
All right?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
The next we have Zach Woods, who plays Jared, but
whose actual name is Donald I don't know they mentioned
that at one point in the show or oj yeah,
other Jared, even though he's the first one that's Jared Dunne.
He is the very strange, quirky secretary type administrative who
has all the business background and is cheerful and sad
at the same time and does does his own brand

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of that kind of humor. He was then the other
guys and something called in the Loop from his IMDb page.
I feel like I've seen him a lot, but that
must have been it.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
And he's another wonderful comedic character actor. Just has so
many little ticks and line reads that you would not expect.
He has those sad blue eyes.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
There's something really weird about him. His character actually, when
he gets introduced in the show, brings attention to his
ghoulish features. He actually says that in the early part
of the show, and that's a pretty good description. That
guy knows what he doing when they have him on
the screen, like he just knows how he's gonna come across.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
He's one of those like comedians that understands how to
use his features, like I look unique, and I will
use that to my advantage.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
And he'll do that like the free face he does
all the time.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
A couple other people to round out the cast. I
didn't write down what these people were in because they're
more bit parts, but I.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Didn't write down their names.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I did write down their names, but nothing else. Amanda
Crue plays Monica. She is the original investor in Pied
Piper's kind of like his right hand man. She does
all of the kind of like the administrative stuff for him,
and she ends up kind of being their account manager
in a way. But she just kind of gets involved
through the company, through their initial investor. And that company

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is called Reviga, which we see a little bit of
their conference room in the second episode that we'll cover.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
And that company is headed by a woman who seriously
up until looking it up for this show, I thought
her last name in the show is Breen, but it's
Bream with an M, like Sid Breem. We'll a a miss.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah. Matt Ross plays Gavin Belsen, the who lead man,
who is smarmy. Is supposed to be a good play
on what the billionaires of the world are really likely.
He does a great job of that. There's a brief
mention I'm gonna make of our attorney in the next
episode you guys might recognize as Lloyd Braun from Seinfeld

(22:16):
and a couple other things he was in. Did you
guys watch The Hand that Rocks the Cradle when you
were young and it came out? I did, I mean
back then?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
I did. I watched it when I was like eight
or nine, and I remembered him from that, just as
I never knew that was Lloyd bron though.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
He was the hand.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
By the way, he's also great in this show.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Just the one scene I saw him in was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
He is awesome. He pops up just every now and then.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, I read he had a reoccurring part he does
see so that's that's great. Yeah, that's Matt McQuay plays
Pete Moonaghan, the arbitration guy who will see in the
next episode. And then I mentioned that I wanted to
throw in here because we'll talk about his character even
though he's not in either one of these. Is Christopher
Evan Welch. He plays Peter Gregory, who actually is that
investor who first buys or funds by Piper in the

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first season. He's only in the first five episodes, so
they soft rode him out of the end of the
first season, I think because he was already kind of sick.
And then he died in.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Between filming of lung cancer.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah. I didn't actually investigate that. I know it was
it was some kind of yeah, like disease situation, and
his health took a turn from the worse. He didn't
live for season two, so they had to completely write
him out of the show in season two, so he
is not in any of it past the first five episodes,
but he plays a pivotal part in the setup of
the show and the foundation.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Which essentially had to change the entire direction yet of
the show.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
You would have actually really enjoyed him. Man. He put
a lot of I guess, eclectic sort of scene opportunities
for it changed the nature of the show because he
was just so weird and awkward, so it took away
from some of the seriousness that they would have on
any of the business meetings that would be annoying to watch.
He couldn't do that because he was just so weird.
Well interesting guy.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
This seals it. Fuck you, cancer. I didn't care up
until now, but hearing answer taking this, Yeah, yeah, I
take that. Cancer.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
You are notorious for being kind of not sure which
way to lean on cancer.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Real Switzerland of cancer.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah. You know what I want to see you put
your fucking money where your mouth is. I want to
see a ribbon on the back of your car. By
let's say the next time we record deal.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
So before we start our recap of our episode that
we're doing, which is season one, episode eight. I'm going
to give you guys a brief primer of season one.
I pulled it from wiki, but I will be making
my own edits here as I go, since I have
watched all of it twice in recent memory.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Here, So this is, you know, you got your wall sanded,
you're not quite ready to paint.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh, I don't know what actual primer.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
The texture is kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Maybe you're ready to put that primer on there that
gets ready for use.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Paint without the primer.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Sometimes the paint will come off, but might the texture won't. Well,
I mean yeah, it might be fine. You don't know
the texture.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Wild to skip that step you would.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Of a spot friend.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I don't like those kind of steps where it's like,
really you should do this. So it's like when you
put together a meal and they're like, now refrigerated overnight.
I just want to go ahead and cook it. I
don't want to do.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
There's always one step in every process that might as
well say, make it take longer, make it be worse.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
You guys, see that table in front of you. I
primared that table before I put the sealant on no
wonder it works so well?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Did you how does the expression go? Did you measure
twice and cut once?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I often do? I did when I built the thing
with the lexiglass in front of you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Did you speak softly and carry a big stick?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Often?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Do same thing?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Do so?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Season one, Richard Hendrix is our main character, the employee
of a tech company named Okay. Initially, he starts at
the company Hooley with Davin Belford.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Okay, but so then he gets his idea and leaves.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
He kind of has been working on it, but it's
not done. His coworker see it as a joke. He's
an awkward guy no one likes, so he created. In
his spare time, he's working on an app called pie
Piper that contains a revolutionary data compression algorithm. He's very
good at that part.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
So.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Peter Gregory is our billionaire who hears about this app.
Peter Gregory gives a tent talk in the very episode
about how much he hates college and how no one
should go to college, drop out and start your business instead.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Because those fuckers do that. They're like, you know, I
didn't go to college. All I did was get three
hundred million dollars from my dad, right, and I started
this thing and I'm successful, so therefore you don't need college.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
So Peter Gregory acquires a steak in pipe Piper Richard
hires the residence of ERLK. Bachman's business incubator, as he
calls it because his home. Okay, his home, it's his,
he owns it, but he lets potential up and comers
in Silicon Valley live there for free.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
He gets a steak in there, believes himself quite the
player in the in the tech game.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
And in reality he's never had a single success.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Okay, this makes so much better.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
The second episode they kept saying incubator and up there
there is.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Another future line. I just have to tell you guys
about ERLCK where he combines his money with someone else's
who has twenty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
He and says they're combined.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
He's like, but he's like, and now we have a
combined assets of twenty million. It's like twenty million and
thirty six thousand dollars. It's like, I like the detail
being he has thirty six thousand dollars, which is like, okay,
he has a little bit of savings, but he's trying
to play with like tech billionaires.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
So Bertram Gilfoyle and Denesh chug Ti were other people
in the incubator. Richard met them in that capacity and
got them. They're just apt developers, they're programming whizzes, and
he got them on board for Pied Piper meeting him through.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Early and they secretly love one another.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
They never show it. Along with Jared Dunn, who actually
was a employee at Hooley, who is there when Gavin
is trying to buy Pide Piper from Richard, Richard ultimately
ends up going with the other bidder, Peter Gregory, and
Peter and Gavin are rivals. They're billion arrivals. They hate
each other, so they're bidding on Richard together. Richard ends
up going with Peter Gregory because he's saying, I'll give

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you a smaller amount. I'm not going to give you
a flat rate, but it's ninety five percent your company.
If you sell to Gavin, he's going to just absorb
it all and you'll not have anything to do with
your product. So he ends up going with Peter Gregory
on that he turns Gavin down. Jared is so impressed
by this that he shows up at Richard's house, at
Erlick's house like the next day or something and says,
I want to leave. Will he enjoy you guys?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
So that's how that happens, and that's reference in our
second episode, I believe briefly where someone kind of points
out like, hey, Jared, I bet you wish you hadn't
you know, gone with us because he did give up
like an executive position.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah he was. He had a comfortable job, good salary, benefits,
all that, and he left it just because he wanted
to do this thing with Richard. So that's our origin
story of Jared. We haven't mentioned a big head who's
just Richard's friend who doesn't know how to do anything
at all and ends up getting stolen by Hooley because
they think he might and they also want to get
back at Richard, so he just ends up getting promoted

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because they want to slowly build a case that it
was actually him who created Pide Piper and not Richard.
And then we have Gavin Belson, who's the head of Hooley.
He is this whole while trying to reverse engineer Pied
Piper on the side since he couldn't buy it from me,
decides he's just going to recreate it with his infinitely
bigger resource pool, and he's going to make it bigger
and better in a program called Nucleus. Both companies end

(29:05):
up getting scheduled to present at tech Crunch Disrupt, which
is like this big startup thing that somehow Richard gets
involved in because he applied before Piepiper made it bay
because it's really not supposed to be for established companies.
It's for people trying to make it big up and comers.
And when Richard gets in, Gavin Belson decides, well, I'm
going to one of them. I'm gonna be the keynote
speaker of this thing. So they both show up there.

(29:26):
They have a big that's what we're working toward here
in the finale episode that we are going to be discussing,
whether they're at tech Crunch together and Pied Piper rushes
to produce a feature rich cloud storage platform based on
their compression technology. At this tech Crunch event, Belson presents Nucleus,
which is what Hooley has stolen and ripped off and
ended up making much better because they've used the technology

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from Richard Incorporated. Into their much larger suite of programs
that pie Piper won't have.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
So how did they get a hold of his stuff
or did they just come up with their own way
to do it.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I think there were coworkers of Richard's at hooy that
knew enough about the starting point of his app to
where they could at least like take.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
The data and get to points or whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Because they have, you know, millions billions of dollars at
their disposal, and they can kind of start with what
he ended up with and try to figure it out
with their resources.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
But it wasn't a they got a hold of a
flash drive and got his stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Wasn't it kind of though, like in a sense that
some of those guys that had worked with Richard did
have to give them.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
They had actual stuff in the program, right.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think he sent like way too much of that
information because.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
He wasn't careful enough.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, then they tried to trick him in act like
they were trying to help. So they end up with
more information than they should have had, and they use
it again.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, they wouldn't have been able to actually create it
on their own.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, they but they have a whole team that can
use his final product and just try to unravel it like.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Anything, Like if there's a good idea big company will
let us just take that away from you and make
the money from it.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
So the whole point of this first episode with the
thing that they've gone to this event is they're trying
to win this scholarship by and everyone here has the
same kind of software, right, It's compression, data compression.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's especially the finals round that we see. Technically it's
between Hooley and Piede Piper, and they both are offering
compression and.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
For a reason, which is that essentially Hooley's only doing
that to try and beat Richard's company. Otherwise it might
be a different thing. Sure, I give the sense that
all the other companies, based on the little snips we see,
are doing something else.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
That's fair all it is when this is, like I said,
this is mostly meant for up and comers. So the
grand prize is just fifty thousand.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
It's not going to make or break, which is also
the absurdity of Gavin Belson doing it.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, he does want to humiliate Richard so badly that
he went in with that and was like, we're going
to get to the market before his company with what
he's trying to do and make it better, and he
succeeds when he does his presentation, and Pied Piper when
we start this last episode is thinking, well, we can't
top him because he's doing what we're doing, except better.
So we're finished. When the episode starts, they've pretty much

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decided there's no point in us even bothering.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's like when California Dreams wrote this really cool song
and then the rock star Zaane Walker stole it from
him and in a professional studio, and everybody knows Zayne Walker.
Who's gonna believe them?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
He's got two of the last letters in the alphabet,
and he wore a vest. Oh well, right, cool, I'm
sold now. Not a leather jacket, but a vest, which
is like gotta let those arms breathe. Yeah, that's the
Mormon version of leather jacket a vest.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Let's get into his first episode. There will be some
other things that I'll have in my notes that I'll
kind of try to explain as they come up that
we may not have covered in our primer, which is
an unnecessary step in painting. I will mention that, and
I'll try to fill in some more gaps that you
might not have been able to figure out when you
were watching it van because they also do some kind
of callback jokes in these that wouldn't really be funny

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if you hadn't seen the origin of it.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Both of these season finales, I didn't realize how mid
stream you kin get thrown in from theirs episode prior.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
At the time I pick an episode. It's technically a
two parter, and these aren't officially two parts, but they.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Might, like with the Grandma's.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, I don't know how that two part of Grandma's.
That's what I do well.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
And as someone who again I just watched these two episodes,
I got most of it.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
You get the idea. Yeah, you're gonna get the overarching thing.
The only thing you're gonna miss will be like little detail.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Sure, and that's fine. Like no point did I go up.
I just came into this episode. I wanted not doing
it more. A big head that's right, where's big head?
You know, mister bighead Ralph big Head from Rocco's Modern Life.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh yeah, just so you guys know, big head big
head is officially two words. It's not I would have
thought it was just one like big Head. His nickname
is big Head because his last name is Baghetti. That's it. No,
he doesn't have a big head at all. He's a
small guy.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
So this is a real boner situation, yes, where his
name was like bone around step.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
And kind of looked like a boner.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Okay, yeah, like he was peeking out and shouldn't have been.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
He should be flaccid, but he's not, unless it's an
appropriate situation to have a boner, like in a dream
Group two.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
It's actually flax said. Not a lot of people know
how to say that correctly.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Oh excuse me, Webster.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
And also like that oil is flaccied oil, not flascyat.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
They actually do have that exact line. Richard reads that
early in season two where they're having a meeting and
Erlex says flaccid and Richard interrupts meen goes, it's actually
pronounced flax said. Not a lot of people get that right,
So I thought I would throw that in there, even
though you wouldn't possibly get the reference.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
No, but fans listening to this, who like Silicon Valley,
who have come here for the first time, welcome Yea.
They liked it. They were like God, know that I
recognized that reference until they talk.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I like that person with that accent, liking Silicon Valley.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Now Price is a wonderful computer show.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh yeah, Mark Stephen, he loves it.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Too many first names.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's a real name of one of my cousins.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
That is like a hillbilly name. Yeah, Mark Steven.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I have. I have a lot of those deep
into my family roots, a lot of those those names.
You wouldn't think. You wouldn't think those would be combined,
or at least if they were, you wouldn't think you'd
use them both.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
So again, just since we're getting started here, this is
season one, episode eight, optimal Tip to Tip Efficiency, and
it was believe it or not all the way back
June first, twenty fourteen, which in some ways sounds like
very recently but was actually over ten years ago.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah, just crazy, still in our thirties, right, No, we
were twenty nine. I yeah, okay, oh to be twenty
nine not really.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Right on the precipice of our thirties at that time period.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
What a sad time.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
The whole romanticism of like twenties. I don't know if
I feel that I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Know these my early thirties were way better.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, honestly, thirties way better than twenties. A lot of
this is I didn't fuck them up, not the same way.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Sure, sure there was still some fucking up then on,
I think they'll always be a little bit of it. Well,
they'd better be doing it right now.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Sounds boring to be perfect. So this one starts while
presenting the vision and capabilities of Pie Piper to the
audience of tech Crunch. At the end of the last episode,
Irluke was attacked by one of the judges.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Like plainness to me. So what I gathered is that
he slept with that judge's wife.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Correct, and both of them my next wife and the
current one as well.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
That the conference, which he interprets as doing work for
the team.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
What very clearly it worked out in their favor. So
that happens. Then the judge chooses to assault him.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Right as he's giving the presentation in the first round
of the whole conference.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
And he's got a nice black guy, he's get a shiner.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
He's worse for the wear. He did get pummeled a.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Bit, but as a SMARMI dude, he figures out to
take advantage of the situation.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Of course, that's exactly what he would do. So the
administrative guy who's handling the tech crunch side of this
is he's worried the company is potentially going to get
sued from this or the conference people whatever. He doesn't
want to be negatively involved in it. So he's basically
saying like, look, you guys can just be in the finals. Well,
just we won't worry about even you can get a

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chance to present. We're just going to put you all
the way in the finals as an exchange to not
do anything legal with the fact that one of our
judges beat you up in front of everybody, and they say, sure,
that's a perfectly fair deal. And Erlik, of course, as
you mentioned, says how about our hotel accommodations? What about those?
The scene cuts downstairs to the conference room where Gavin

(37:24):
Belson is unveiling who Lea's Nucleus platform. This is where
Gavin presents what they're going to do being what Pied
Piper is trying to do with a whole lot more.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, bloods one hundred, really great joke at the end
where he stops his big tech explanation then introduces Shakira.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
I also really like the Shakira is not the hair. Yeah,
they just play the song and then she says, but
she did ever show her. This is a real Steve
Jobs presentation, and I thought they got the aesthetic right.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
They actually do similar sort of things with getting musical
guests to appear at various Silicon Valley concerts that are
always really dead energy in this but they actually did
open the show with actual kid rock in one and
then flow Rita in another.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Wow, So they get all the best.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
And Peter Gregory, who of course is dead by this point,
says when it's his show that flo Rida is playing at,
and he comes out and awkwardly says, thank you Florida.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I do remember that actually, which I liked. I don't
know if this is intentional, but I think that they
got the right sword of artists for when they use them.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
It seems like and I think it probably is.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Intentional because Mike Judge once used Chuck MANGIONI to this
to that sort of effect.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
That's very true.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
So not only does Nuclear seamlessly integrate with the rest
of Hooley's applications, it also gives the user cloud access
to all their files that are highly compressed rate. Blah
blah blah text speak. Gavin displays the platform's Weissman's score,
which I'd never heard of, and I'm real, I don't know.
I'm going to look it up on the projector for
all to be held. Two point eight nine Weissman's score,
which is that's the best score in the history of

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compression guys.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
And I was like, is that the average Metacritic score
for director Lynn Weisman?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
This matches what Piper offers, except with a whole lot
more other features to boot.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
It's not real, okay. It was created for the show
by Stanford professor Sachi Weissman and PhD student Vanith Misra.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I like that you don't have to do anything but
play fast and loose with this stuff because it won't
age well, it can't. That's very true with tech information.
I think that's why this show holds up. Why in
the way it does is it doesn't try to present
things necessarily as like we need to use the cutting
edge thing of the moment. By the time you're done filming,
it's outdated.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I am surprised that there isn't like a simple way
to measure compression, though I would have thought that they
did have that, so I assumed that it was real,
and I wouldn't know. Most of the stuff that they use.
Their buzzwords in Silicon Valley are not in my standard.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
No, it's like a show like if I'm watching a
show about a bunch of people who work on a submarine,
about ten percent of what they say is jargon that
I just am like, I don't need to do care.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
It doesn't. It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
If I watch ten movies like this, maybe I would
start to understand it.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
So the Piede Piper team they recognize as they're finished,
and then we get our intro, which is we're already
in that era now where they don't do them anymore.
It's now just like it's a quick five second thing
like we played at the beginning of our episode here,
and then that's it.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
You see like SimCity in the bund.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yan ALFs looking at a woman in the shower, but
it's animated.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I would really love it if a modern show just
did that. You know this music that we played at
the beginning of it with slow motion, like seeing the
characters talk in their names at the bottom. Let's let's
see him try that. Let's just see how it goes.
They'll still see it. In a now dark and empty
conference room, the Pied Piper members are mourning their demise together.
Erlic tries to stay cheerful. Richard is really not having

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any of it, and it is positive that they can't
offer anything that Nucleus doesn't at this point, and there's
no way they can possibly win. And they they never
even figured out how to properly pressed three D files
actually on top of everything else. And Erle says, well,
that doesn't matter. Three D movies are stupid.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Andy's right, Yeah, technology is already gone because no one cared.
I had a three D TV, never used it.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
I think I may have two or one that could.
And yeah, you had to have the glasses right now.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
They weren't the old style where one plastic lens of
red and one of blue. It was a different style,
but you had to wear them. And what it would
do is you'd turn on the TV, turn on the
three D function, get everything warmed up, make sure you
had a three D Blu ray player or whatever, get
it all loaded up, lay sit down, put your glasses.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Not probably what I would want out of the experience,
and then.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Forty five seconds in you're nauseous because everything is like
blasting you in the ears with through your eyes. That's
how that works. And then you turn it off and
you never do it again.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
It's so gimmicky anyway. It doesn't add anything of actual
value to the movie that I remember I watched. I
think it was Monsters and aliens in the theater. And
the only thing I remember about.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
What that sounds awesome.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yeah, I don't know what that is.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's if the Disney movie or it's an animated thing.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Because you can imagine just by the name of it.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, yeah, No, it's very lighthearted, silly stuff. And there
was somebody had ping pong like you know, one of
those strings attached to the ping pong paddle paddle and
the ball came out of the screen to us and
then yah, yeah, So that was the only thing I
remember about it. The rest of it was just like, okay, yeah,
it's not useful.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well, I'm the only things I've seen are like the
nave coming out at me, say, Avatar, that's.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
What would you guys like in a perfect world, what
would you like to have a three D experience with?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Well? See, I don't know that I want one at all.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
If you're forcing me to do it.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
What about like turbulence three?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Oh, yes, I do want that. That's any of the
motion picture man movies. I'd like to see, like Denny
from the Room tumble out at us.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, or Neil Breen's coffee comes at.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Us, Yeah, and we have to lay down in it.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
He offers us a plate of just spinach leaves.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I want to see that kind of with three D technology.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
That would be John DeHart lies on top of us
and smears' body and ice cubes upon our test.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I to realistically answer the question, I think the only
time they ever do three D is your huge blockbuster
action movies. And sure, maybe you can get lost in
it once every couple of months. But for example, when
I managed the theater, we had two three D theaters,
and one of my first acts there was to drop

(43:27):
the three D from our theaters because we had to
have special showings. We'd have the glasses which people would
break and lose and steal, and it just was not
worth the hassle. But two older ladies came in and
reamed me out for like a week. They would come
in and yell at me because I was getting rid
of the three D So there were people out there
liked it.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
One of the last great innovations of their life. They
were going to experience. You took it from them, So
I can see why they were upset.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
I like you glom on that they will be dead soon.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Well, it's like I think of it by dead now,
I bet they are. I think of it like that
episode of Happy Days we did where we watch that
old man in the grocery store in that seventy eight episode.
You just you just know that guy didn't survive that decade,
and we talked about that in that urn.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
No, if we can't believe how many people from Taxi
are still alive, that is weird.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
They all look like they were close to being dead.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Hey, guys, I need a break, let's stop.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
So yeah, we agree with Earl, like three D movies
are stupid, and now they're not, they don't exist. He
still thinks they can win this thing if they pull
off a real showstop or performance. He would say that
because the performing part is like all he brings to
the company. He really likes doing that. So he's like, well,
as long as we perform, well we can still win.
It'll be fine. I can, I can save us for now.
He has got a plan to go engage in some

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mental warfare with Gavin and he takes off. Jared, for
his part, is also trying to be optimistic, which is
the thing he does despite how sad his character is.
He has just been before this episode, driven to a
still constructed island, a private island by Peter Gregory who
was making his own billionaire island. It's not done yet,

(45:06):
completely uninhabited, and Jared was in a like a dry
realist car that they sent him home in at that company,
and the car just reprogrammed its route and went to
the private island and it took him four days to
get there, and he was stranded on the island. So
this is why Jared is all out of it in
this episode, is that he just got back from having
been on an island by himself for like a week.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Because he seemed like, I mean, he seemed weird to
begin with, but it was like weird but tired. Yes,
so it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, he hasn't slept in days and he got, you know,
the horrible experience. So Jared, yeah, he seems even a
little more unhinged than usual, and he comes across as
more unbalanced than inspiring in this.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Look at me, look at me, Look at me.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
We've got a great name, we've got a great team,
we've got a great logo, and we've got a great
name that would just need an idea.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Let's a pivot.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Let's a pivot, and might be the last time we
see him alive. Perfectly read absolutely nailed that line.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
And the way he keeps saying pivot and waving his
arms around, He's hitting his like dongle and it rattles,
and it's just distracting enough that I'm like, Okay, I
kind of like this.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Definitely desperation in the eyes.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
And he keeps this up the energy of the entire episode,
and it starts doing his alternate ideas for Pied Piper
that he pitches at random people that will be seeing soon.
There's a couple of those that I enjoyed more than
I should have.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
The first one I actually have an ideal client for
when you talk about.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
It, Yeah, that's my favorite of the three by far. So.
While the rest of the team is retreating to contemplate
their defeat, Jared is going to start his new project.
He's fervently darting throughout the conference, accosting just random people
he's never met before and polling their approval for various
just kind of long shot ideas he's got that as
he mentioned pivoting to, he thinks Pied Piper might be

(46:55):
able to pivot to one of these. His first idea
is to turn the app into a rodent find which
is it's The group he tells us to is just
as horrified as you would think they would be about that.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Well, that's because he's not down in the sewer proposing
this idea to the rat King, because this is exactly
what the rat King needs.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
I think the rat King knows where all his rats
are at any game you get bringing rats from other
sewer systems. So you're saying you want him to expand.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, I'm saying if the rat King is serious about
World to dominate, which he said he wasn't saying, I
just want to take over the city.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
You know it was world with my one tanker, this poison.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
The rat King needs to be talking to French rats,
to Bulgarian rats.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
He really needs to spread the word. Yeah, that's true,
he doesn't. He only has command of his own sewer
so he could he could expand.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Hyde Piper can be the company to do that for him.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah. Actually the pitch that Jared makes here is like,
you know, we're not telling you what to do with
the rats. He just says like, we're just here to
get you rats stat which is this is a fantastic lying.
And he always wraps all of these up with them
passioned would you be very interested? Someone interested? Or not interested?
And then which one? Which one? Which one? Several times
actually at the end he deviates from that and just says,

(48:07):
would you be interested, very interested or very interested? The Meanwhile,
Denesh and Gilfoyle are walking around dejectedly lamiting how hopeful
everyone around them still is. I think it's Denesh that
says they're so hopeful, what a bunch of dicks or
something like that. And they spot a recruiter for a
company called Corpi, which just got a two hundred and

(48:28):
eighty million dollar evaluation similar when I gave you for
money trough right right. Denesh and Gilfoyle ponder jumping ship
and just switching over to that company since they're doing
so well, but they ultimately decide that's not something they
would do because they're not dickheads, and Gilfoyle even says
like dick andhead totally two separate things. Meanwhile, separate scene,
Jared is doing another pitch. He's got. This one is

(48:50):
an app that could determine whether you were going to
heaven or hellp.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
This might have been my favorite one because I think
he even says like, statistically, you're.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Like exact statistical probability. Let's get this one to that
online twenty thirteen movie past.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, I want to be like, oh, take all our money.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
You know what, though as absurd as that concept is,
I think you could do it because the rules are
written down. The Bible says don't do this. So if well,
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Doesn't matter anyway, we know that from Online twenty thirteen
you just have to say oops.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
So I guess it's the app would determine whether you've
been baptized or not, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, what we need is a Santa app that tells
you if you've been naughty or nice, so maybe also
attracts your phone activity.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
I do like using a variety of metrics. I know
that you know, ultimately Christians don't look at it that way,
but I do like trying to if you do follow
the Bible's teachings and you have to log everything you've done,
and it spits it all out like, well, you know,
seventy eight percent in that'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Put in the mean stuff you said today. You know
you have to entertype that and what's the nice stuff
you said?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
But then the person creating the app or company has
to weigh certain things more. Adultery is not as bad
as murder.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well, there's a committee for this, I would imagine, Well, you.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Would have to because you you'd have to work shop
it because no two people are going to agree on it.
See if do a mean.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
And you have to bring Saint Peter in on this,
he's the guy that has to let him in or not.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I like this idea too. I want to form the
committee that decides this. And Kirk Cameron's definitely going on it.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Oh yeah, it's gonna be annoying on the board meeting
with him, but we have to deal with it.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
It's at his house on a stump.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
At least we know there'll be food. I should specify
that's an inside joke because we've watched a lot of
a Kirk Cameron talk show where he just has food.
He kind of rubs We're gonna do a bonus show someday.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Elsewhere, Gavin is walking around with a gaggle of tech
journalists and their smartphones, holding it out for the sound
bites at him, and Early takes this time to burst
through to interrupt, suggesting through just any indo that Gavin
was somehow responsible for his assault in the last episode,
and also claims that despite all of this horrible rumors
about him, that Irlex stands by him and supports him.

(50:52):
Just a really kind of a sneaky way of suggesting
all kinds of horrible things about Gavin.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, it's definitely a thing where he going. You know,
I don't buy into all those rumors about him doing
this stuff because I'm a good guy and being overly sarcastic.
Board it was great, yeap.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
This is an example of a thing with Erlick where
I wasn't necessarily as drawn to this as some of
his other line reads, and this one it's just like
some of it's kind of just outlandish.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
What I like about this even more than the line
read is the character element of it, which is erlck
is and I think the show is really good at
this at presenting him as a kind of a skillless
person in so many ways. But those people are really
useful in business because it's all about bamboozling people, screwing
them over, tricking them, just being loud, and this exact

(51:39):
scene is how people get things done. Like just say
a thing in the air, the rum or will run,
you know, if the person has that sort of social cache.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I've never gotten a chance to mention this on the
podcast somehow, but my favorite thing about the SIMS three
is in the business career track when you're SIM is
in the business track, Normally you have to reach certain
requirements of your SIM skills to level up in the career.
Business has no skills required. In the S three, you
just it's all about the relationships you make. And you're like,

(52:08):
if you network well enough, you get promoted. When I
saw that, I was only like twenty five. When I
played that, I was like, that is so cool. I
really like that they did that because it is one
hundred percent true that it's just like the networking people,
the extroverts, the natural born sleeves bags that can work
in the business field, and just like they meet the
right person, they get offered a job that they don't
have to do anything in and they just rise and

(52:30):
they're just good at it.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
We have a podcast, you know, we're all good enough
at talking. It's too bad we're not evil. We have
so much money.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
And I just don't have I would never have the
energy to do what we do just talking to people.
That sounds horrible.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
That's because enough evil I'm talking, you could get that
evil to fuels.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
So you think extroverts might just.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Be like a drastic evil, Yeah, like they can do
stuff we can't actually Actroverts are vampires for people like us.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
They suck up our energy.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
There are energy vampires. Yes, it's a thing.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
We have to go back home and recharge, and like
I need to go out and can just talk at people.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
So, yeah, you got a good point. I'm willing to
consider extroverts might just be evil period, no matter what
field they choose to work in.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I don't care how much money you've donated charity. You
you go out and talk to people type.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I will disagree with you. Brian, Is this about the vampire?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
No?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I kind of agree that you do have to be evil,
but I'm evil. You just have to be a particular
kind of evil.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Right right, right, Well, now you're like, if this were
a D and D game, you're like evil neutral or.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
What for sure? Chaotic evil?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I think, Yeah, you're not the kind of evil where
you're actually trying to be malicious. Yeah, you're not trying
to do any damage.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
You might actually be like good evil then or something.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah, we have to have the chart in front of us.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Maybe chaotic good.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
All right, well, chaotic neutral. I'll go with that, okay,
because you over here and there's Gollum and then there's
me in the chaotic neutral.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, there's definitely. Just for the record, in case anyone's
listening to this that knows a lot about that, there
is no good evil. That's completely wrong. Don't say like,
oh this guy doesn't he's so stupid. I hate him.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
They were going to I.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Know, there's no good evil. It wouldn't make a lot
of sense, to be honest, I admit. So Gavin just
perplexed here, just tries to get away from Arlic as
fast as he can. That's the only thing you can
think to do with this.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah, he realizes fighting this is not worth it. I'm
just walking away.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Next we see that denish and Gilfoyle have immediately changed
their mind. I'm not approaching this recruiter and are now
up in his grill talking to him about Hey, you know,
by the way, just so you know, guy from Quorpy,
we love Pie Piper. It's fantastic. And Gilfoyle gets a
great line here that you have to know his background
to understand when he says in a dead pin voice

(54:42):
like every day I've died and gone to Hell, And
of course the guy's like what and he has to
explain Satanist. As they close into transition to asking this
guy for jobs, the recruiter just cuts them off and
is like, okay, Piepiper sounds fantastic. You guys sold me.
I just need to be honest with you. Guys were
actually about to go under in a few weeks and

(55:02):
I can you guys hire me at Pie Piper.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I thought this was a nice moment of like all
these are joke companies, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
None of it's.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
By acting like they have anything when they don't.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Just schmoozers that don't they don't do anything.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
And there's just a lot of like that guy says jargon.
He says, ye, like we've gone under with the venture butthole, and.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
We haven't even mentioned yet how incredible the naming conventions
in this show are quirpy hooy, Like all the logos
are all lowercase, which of the time they all looked like.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
And they even joke about they do in the show
in the first season. I think they also have an
episode later in season two where they're trying to pie
Piper needs like some sort of partnership to stay afloat,
and they partner with a with a porn site, and
the porn site is at the serious business convention and
everyone's there listening seriously, but they have their little name

(55:53):
plates of their companies and they zoom in on like
it'll be like something about fisting on there and like
gay being asshole or something with these people that are
sitting there just seriously listening to business talk and they
have that little juxtaposition. It's perfect.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
What's the name of this event, It's like tech cunch.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Disruption, tech crunch disrupt.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
That's so perfect because it's those little nerdy people who
code all day thinking like, Oh, I'm such.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
A bad ass, I'm overturning the world disrup Yeah, I'm
gonna hear Shakira she says, hips don't lie. We should
have had everyone watch the show in twenty fourteen and
Elon Musk wouldn't be so popular. Then again, like we
talked about earlier, people might just get the wrong idea.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
And you know, a Musk was cool for like two
years before people learned about the guy. There was a
bit where he's like, Oh, this is the smart guy
who's funding rockets and stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Then you find out, oh, he's not actually smart and
he didn't create anything and he just came from apartheide
money yep. And then he's like, wait, people want to
hear what I have to say.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I will buy social media loll own the lambs.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Are you an adult? No?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Have you seen the cyber truck? That man designed that thing.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Jared's still at work brainstorming new ideas for the company.
This latest idea he has is actually he's left the
conference entirely and he's now just on the streets. Yeah,
crowdsourcing opinions on the street. His next idea here, he
actually leaps at a couple that's walking with their baby
and a stroller and just spouts out just suggestion that
what if we had an app where you could track.

(57:27):
He actually says, where I could track your baby, and
then he positions it from his perspective. He clearly means
for parents, but he's saying like, I could track your baby,
and there's nothing you could do because no.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
One would ever know where the baby was.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
And then he tries to position like the benefits of this,
like most missing children are never found. Everybody tells the
parents and that way they'll see how you exactly the child.
This is when he muffs the ending and says after
this idea about putting an app on their baby that
he can find is when he suggests that they have
to either be interesting, very interested, or very interested. Back

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at the hotel, Richard runs into Monica. That's Peter Gregory's
right hand man, who has just exited the elevator and
is wheeling her luggage out the front door. She knows
what's coming. She sees the writing on the wall as
they say, and is going to leave. She says, Peter
Gregory just called her. Wants here back in Palo Alto.
It's been real, but she's got to go. So the
two say they're professional goodbyes. The goervises professionals because at

(58:25):
this point Monica's been in all eight episodes, and she's
been working alongside them, but as they believe, right now,
it looks like that's it and they're not going to
be working together anymore. So Richard and Monica kind of
have a little goodbye. There's a little bit of an
attempt at a silver lining. I won't ask what they
end up doing with this, but there's a suggestion that
perhaps Monica might be interested in getting to know Richard

(58:46):
outside of work, as I guess the silver lining for Richard.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Has there been any of this love stuff, because I mean,
it's very clear Richard has a hats for her, But
have they interacted in that way at all.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
No. It just kind of comes in there, and as
far as season two goes, they have still not done
anything with that. I personally hope they don't because I
don't see Richard as a guy who needs a romantic
on screen partner. That doesn't seem like of it fit.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
And this is our one woman of the show. We
don't need to be like, oh, she's clearly here just
to be the white.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
I remember thinking when I watched this initially that this
was strange almost maybe they want to just plant the
seat in case they wanted to use it or because
I mean they do seem like friends, you know, throughout
the season, but there's nothing that There's no like spark there.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I don't feel like Monica would be in Like what
connection would she have with Richard. I just don't get it.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I mean, especially with Irlik right there, that's what he
would say, Yeah, that is what he would say.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
So that little thing happens and I didn't like it.
I'm glad that so far in my watching, they haven't
followed through on that. Outside, Jared's latest effort has gotten
the attention of the police. As you guys could have guessed,
they're now questioning him at length. That's gonna Bee has
any drugs on his person and Garrett cheerfully pulls out
a pill bottle of adderall. This is actually a callback

(01:00:03):
moment man that I was mentioning. He says, I have
this adderall for an underach child that I brought to
my home. So a couple episodes ago.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
They needed work on the app for cloud programming, and
none of them knew how to do it, so they
outsourced that one role to like a seventeen year old
prodigy who knew specifically how to do cloud stuff, and
they paid him like twenty thousand for one weekend of work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
They brought him to the house. He accidentally fucks up
their whole system and they all they had to like
rebuild it from scratches. That's the whole drama moment. But
he needs adderall that he was coding, so they send
Jared to pick it up for him. It's a prescription
for him, but he runs out of it. They have
to get it for him and Jared that's when he
gets straighted on the island. He doesn't come back to

(01:00:46):
give the kid the adderall, so he still got it
on him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I really enjoy how this is written to where Jared
says everything the exact worst way you could possibly say.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
It, even though to him it's just the truth, just
the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
The lines are delivered so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Cheerfully, which is to the police like extremely unnerving that
he's acting that way. So, yeah, the police have heard enough.
At this point, they attempt to take Jared away. He
flees screams that he's too busy pivoting to come along.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I'm going to tell that to the cops if they
were trying to take me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Tell him We've got too many things to do.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
How do you think your dad would handle it if
some some ruffian he's trying to arrest said he was pivoting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I don't think he would have been able to chase him.
Too bad knees and the smoking, Yeah that too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
In the hotel suite, the rest of the Pied Piper
team is played out, still licking their wounds. Richard, Denesh
and Gilfoyle are all in favor of just not even
doing the presentation tomorrow, because it's not like they can
change what's already gonna happen here. But Earlick is still
adamant that the show must go on. That's how business
world works, and not only that they can win. As

(01:01:49):
he speaks, Jared returns from his visit with the police.
He's like, he's not gonna there's no legal trouble going
on for him, apparently, but he still looks very frazzled
in out of sorts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
He's not and he does not act ever say to
anyone where he was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
No. It's here in this moment that Erlik utters the
episode defining line.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
We're gonna win even if I have to go into
the auditorium and personally jerk off every guy in the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
That's it. It seems like an innocuous throwaway. I didn't
even really catch it that much the first time I
watched it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
But this, this leads guys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
This leads the Nash and Gil Oil in particular, who
are clearly just weird people with very brilliant minds, especially
since now they feel like the business is done, there's
nothing left to do, so they are just the kind
of inane personalities to take something stupid like that and
actually approach it analytically from like a programmer's point at That.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Is what makes this scene work so well. At Erlik too,
something that he would get mad if someone else said
about him. He takes it so seriously and everything he
says about it very matter of factly. He's even doing
jerk off motions with his hands as he says it,
but like just saying like this is how I would
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
And this is offas a very famous moment for me. Yeah,
this show probably have the very most famous moment in
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Well, they do a lot of really interesting things and
it's believable too, Like when they're when they're talking about it,
how they say that there's a ten minute presentation window.
There's eight hundred guys and they have all these diagrams
and they they come up with things like dick to
floor and jerk t yeah, like all these all these
algorithm expressions, and it sounds like, Okay, this actually is

(01:03:26):
a thing that they're really thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
The other funny layer about this is it's so absurd
yet is it really more absurd than tech jargon? You know,
we do think about it, but this is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
A thing that people could come onto because you know,
when you and your friends are just dicking around, this
is what they you could do, right, Like, maybe not
to their degree of science, because that's the kind of
nerd they are, but you know, us three sitting around
making fun of whatever movie we could, we could have
a joke like this to put our own spin on it.
So I think it just makes it really easy to

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identify with these people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
It works because it is rooted in the characters, which
is always gonna make it feel more natural.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
And like Brian said, them getting so into it is
really kind of like because these are people who have
to have that, and they feel like they're not going
to right now, so they're latching onto whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
They've spent years working on the same thing that's been
stolen from them, and I like that This essentially is
no different than the scenes in the show where they
are trying to solve the tech problem.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
They approach it the same way. It's all very serious
despite how absurd it is, which is again why it works.
I did appreciate the scene. I wouldn't say that I
found the humor that effective, Like I wasn't laughing at
Jerkin' four dix at once, but the way they presented it,
being such a ridiculous subject, on that level, I at
least respected what they did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
This is for me a total case of like the
performance really carrying it to for everybody, because these lines
on paper, if you get hammy actors in there doesn't work.
It just comes across as overly juvenile. You get people
who seem like friends who know how to read lines,
and it works.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
The part that really ends up being the breakthrough for
Richard is when and they have talked about the optimal
way is putting like two guys side by side across
from two other guys side by side. They're standing dick
to Dick, and Erlik can stand between them all and
use both arms to get four at once on each side.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah, you have to go tip to ship, but you
have to measure not dick length.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
But floor to right exactly, and you get.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Them all lined up the right way. And that's again,
I mean, we're analyzing the comedy scene here. But the
best part about it is it's these analytical guys figuring
out the details that you don't want to think about.
But when you do think about them, you go, no,
that's right, and it adds how you would have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
To do this, Yes, And it does oddly do what
it needs to do in context of the shows of
the plot point at the end, like it illustrates well
enough what they're trying to say.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Richard has in his own mind gone away while they're
doing all this. They're they're breaking this down in absurd detail,
where Richard just hears middle Out with the Dick situation,
and it's a light in his head and his weird
little programmer brain and he thinks, like, of course, middle Out,
that is what I need to do here. So he
just bursts out of there and runs into the little
adjoining room in the hotel, locks himself in there, and

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starts to get to work right as Gilfoyle is beginning
to actually draw the extremely detailed diagram on the whiteboard
about the optimal jerking alignment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
And they're still coming up with different variables here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
They have a few others that are really funny.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Someone asks Rlick like would girth matter? And he pauses
and looks into the distances, and then very matter of
factly goes, I think it would.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Yeah. He looks like he's like disappointed, like shit, I
think it would, like I hadn't thought of that. Later,
Jared suggests, I think it's Jared that says, like the
what about time to nut or whatever, like, we don't
want Erlick wasting his time on guys who have already nutted.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
So you have to have rotating guys coming in and out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
And yeah, gil Foyle says something that you've got a
hot swap and a fresh dia.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
So this is Richard's key moment. Middle out is the
key to how they could improve the algorithm. The next day,
everyone is ready to go to this big presentation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
I have one quick note on Richard working in his room. Yeah,
go ahead, A lot of this stuff you'd be like,
this might not be as old as twenty fourteen, and
then you hear him listening to generic dubstep. Oh, you're like, oh,
it is twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Well, what's funny is I watched this with the girlfriend Katie,
who is a programmer. That's true, and she mentioned upon
seeing the dubstep that he's listening to why, saying, that's
what I have to do when I program I have
to listen to stuff like that. Really, And I'm like,
there's no way I could do anything. I have to
focus on what I'm doing at least a little, and
that is so chaotic and just noisy. There's no way,

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But she says that's how she programmed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I guess I do listen to a lot of weird
metal while doing things that are mind intensive, if you're like,
But to me, the big takeaway with this sort of
dubstep is it sounds like it was made by AI
and sucks balls.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Certainly, it's just bad enough to where maybe you could
listen to that and concentrate because there's nothing in it,
and it made me no content.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
I don't know. Oh, if this was a joke or not.
Probably not. They're probably just like, this is what this
guy might listen to. Sounds like that's but by that
I kind of want them to be making a joke
about Richard's music taste.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I think they might be because I think Mike Judge
would understand. Yeah, he probably dunes steps role in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Especially at the time, and it's not something like I
listened to, But I do understand that it at least
has evolved a little bit to where it's not the
same five sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
The middle Out is also exactly what the executives at
ABC said in like twenty seventeen. The Middle Out took
me just a second.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah, I forgot that existed. That's not a show that
you put in your head.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I also might not have to bears right, but that
was my guess who was in that? Is that the
janitor from Scrubs?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Seeing that it is, you're one hundred percent role Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
How do I know so much about the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
You probably you're a secret middle head.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
All right, Well, now we're gonna have to do it.
We're gonna have to do the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Yeah, we're gonna have to be middling for a couple
of weeks. Neil something, Patricia Heaton, and Neil Flynn. There
we go, Patricia Heating, that's everybody loves Raymond, right, yeah,
oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
She was also in that news show with Kelsey Grammer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Fraser.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Oh yeah, it lasted like two years, and he was Fraser.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
That's all that guy can do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Yeah, that's me. Listen to me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
I'm authoritative, I'm sideshow Fraser.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
It's me the rumble good at that though. I like
him in that role, it's just that's all he can do.
The next day, everyone is ready to go the big presentation.
Richard wonders what happened to the door that Erlik took
off the Hinges when they were worried about him last
night When they were checking on him, Jared's finally run
out of steam and is passed out on the floor completely.
They don't bother waking him up to go to the meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
He looked very cute there. He was all like bawled up, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I believed it that he needed that sleep too. I
can feel it as a viewer. I was like, yeah,
don't wake him up, let him sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
I've had a real tough time lately with the sleep,
but there have been at least two in the last
two weeks that I've gotten maybe an hour a night,
and so I felt for him. I was like, I'd
take those amphetamines too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
You have to quit getting stuck in shipping containers on islands.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Happens to me all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
The Richard explains to the team he may have made
a breakthrough, but he's not really articulate and he's not
really able to describe exactly what that breakthrough entails.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Did this annoy you guys at all? Because this, to
me is the whole typical TV? Yeah, yeah, I can't
take three seconds to save five words to last.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Wouldn't annoy me? Maybe if he weren't talking to a
group of people who would one hundred percent understand what
he did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Jill, Troyle and Denesh could get that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
In a second, because, like I mean, I understood it
so and I am stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
And it's for the reveal. I get it. Yeah, the theatrics,
but which is annoyed me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
But to your point, Van, I just would write the
scene a little differently to accommodate that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
What they're trying to do though, is build the suspense.
And I do think my judge is good at this,
this sort of like heroes moment that you often see
in sports movies. He does it in Case of the
Hill too. I mentioned it a little bit when you
introduce the show Spencer and we were talking about Mike,
Judge and King of the Hill that those moments confused
me when I was younger. How it'd be like, is
he playing this straight right? And he kind of is.

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That's the magic of it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
You have to find that middle ground. He does.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
He's very good at it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
And then he has Hank get raped by the dolphin,
which is not a middle ground, or the middle by
Jimmy World, or in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Of that show with Neil Flynn in Participate.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Pature, she eaton. I've heard of that one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
It's also worth mentioning here that Monica has a ride
back in her Palo Alto office. As the team races
down the corridor, Richard not answering they're getting ready to present.
Monica has gotten back to her office. She's sending a
good luck text to Richard, sorry I couldn't be there,
and she just changes the mind when you do in
TV shows or movies, she changes the mind, gets back,
kind of playing, goes back, goes back to the conference.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
And I don't like that it's so tight to Richard.
It actually makes sense because she's been involved with this
whole process for her to be interested.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
She shouldn't have abandoned them, even with Peter Gregory making
her But yeah, it's the whole Like I'm texting Richard, no,
I want to be there for him things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
That's stupid and I don't like that it's made romantic
when it should be. This character's even been set up
as a profession like she should feel like pride in
having worked with the company.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
And she's also personally invested in them, like a small amount.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
So I'm curious because the way you guys are saying this,
it seems like I might like her character in the
other episode.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
He's great.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, but having seen this, I just thought she was
the dumb love interest.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
No, and she all did enough characterization either, but she's
presented as someone that is, you know, very savvy, and
this makes her seem more like it's all just on
a love interest level.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah, I just felt like she was solely there to
be Thomas's prize in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
That's what I if I saw only this episode, That's
exactly what I would have thought.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Ordinarily, she'll kind of give Richard private advice on like
the Billionaires wild tell him one thing, and she'll be like,
just do this, you know. She'll help him out with
kind of the inside stuff that she has access to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
And they wisely build conflict out of that of her
being a middleman essentially between the rich people and the tech.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
People, because sometimes she's more on their side, on the
rich side, than she should be, you know, Like she'll
she'll say something thinking that it'll help Richard when it
really is helping them. It's helping the rich side. So
occasionally he calls her out on that, and they have
there is some good conflict with that stuff. So it's
time for Pied Piper to present. As a last minute
executive decision, Richard has decided, even though Earlick is way

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more suitable for the speaking part and Richard usually can't
do it because of anxiety, he says, I am, I'm
just gonna have to do this myself here because I
don't have time to explain it to you. Erlick is
very upset about this, and it goes so far as
to even tell Richard that he's terrible, and he doesn't
even say at presenting, just terrible. Reluctantly, Orlick takes the

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mic and informs the audience of the change of plans.
Richard overcomes his anxiety, looks at all eight hundred people
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
And does this, This is the Piper presentation, right, and
then everyone was on board.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
That would have solved this whole problem if he would
have just played that all along.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Let me tell you, guys, Pied Piper's business platform. Okay,
you guys ready, uh huh. You're gonna stage a series
of concerts across the nation. You're gonna rob them. You
know how. How's that you melt the door handle off?

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
I'm on board.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
That sounds like a device that Silicon Valley would be
interested in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Here's the thing, though, we have to have five or
six ladies who wear all black and prance about groovy man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Well, that'd be really hard to pull off in Silicon Valley.
There's not a lot of ladies. I don't think there's five, No.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
And I didn't see any carals around. You know, big
muscle guys with blonde, little boy haircuts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
It's a shame.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I mean, there are some little boy haircuts in this show, sure,
just not on big Muscley forty eight year old. It's
all the while, is Richard's getting ready to start awkwardly
in his way. Gilfoyle and Dnesh are examining the changes
on the laptop they've got with them, and they can't
really tell without him explaining what he's done. They just
notice that he seems to have deleted everything. It's all
gone from what they can find, so whatever vision Richard

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has seems to be only known to him. As he
begins his presentation, he tells the audience Pip Piper is
not going the route they intended to due to the
fact that Hooley already did it and did it better,
and it's a bad presentation.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
He's not good at it, really is. So he's just
kind of awkwardly saying like, there's no point to do
what we were trying to do because Wholey already did it.
He gets right down to the nuts and bolts and
uses developer speak to break down the coding processes for
compressing files. I don't know if this is real.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
He has this little sheet of paper which Erlick then
has to run out to project because he's like, no
one can see this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
He's trying to show eighties guys, piece of paper.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
This had the same effect on me both times. I
saw this episode and you guys might think I'm insane,
but I like had an emotional jolt at that moment
because Erlick is and it's acted really well. He's acting
like in the selfless way of like hold on, let
me help you. He really did in a way that
he never does, like just but in that moment, like
when it really comes down to it, he's got to

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help him, and he's paying attention to that those small
details like I need to go help Richard, my friend,
instead of like I'm going to take the presentation over.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
This is Erlik sacrificing, which he doesn't normally do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
That's not much of a sacrifice, but attention is very
big for half.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Right, It's it's his big thing. And yeah, Richard is
so in the weeds with his developer jargon that he
really is not occurring to him. You can't show a
size of a room that big a piece of paper.
He just doesn't have that thought in his head. So
Erlk kind of clues him in they can't see that
and puts it on the whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
They have an overhead projector why why wouldn't they ever
have that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Richard? Specifically, they do a good job of making him
kind of an out of touch genius. Like they he
doesn't really know how to live.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
And the actor middle ditch, mister middle ditch, he does
find it that. I just find that to be like
pretty low effort from my personal view points.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Some of the other billionaires or genius is presented which
are eccentric beyond reason.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
So Richard reveals his new method for compression, Middle out,
up and down, back and forth, all at once, tells
the audience he's scrapped ever and rebuilt Piepiper's entire engine
from scratch. The result he did this earlier. He tested
it out. He got a Weissman score of three point eight. Guys,
that's a lot better than the two point nine, which
we thought was the theoretical limit of compression.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I really liked how he it kind of on the fly,
has to not say how he really came across. He's like,
my friends were talking about how to manipulate data, and
if you could, how many data you could manipulate it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Once the audience is very impressed. They gasped because they
know the means of these Weissman scores. A judge at
this point just interrupts to ask how that's even possible,
because we all know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
We know, does everyone have the same thing down in
their notes for what this judge is? You mean mustache
David Wallace, Wallace.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
That's what a mustache? Yeah, when he popped in, I
was like, holy shit, that's it's David Wallace.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
With a mustache. But no, there was a mustache, a
real good one. And this guy I wish I remembered
his name, the guy that plays David Wallace.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Did you know he was actually just like a trader.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
That's how they found him. Yea. I was there like
we want someone to play a role like that, and
he was kind of getting into act.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
And now he's been in stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
He's really good at it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
I don't know who David wall says.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
From the office. The guy who was the boss.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Was it a later season, No, he's in the whole time.
The guy he works for dunder Mifflin. He's like Jan's boss.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Yeah, I don't remember. It's been so long since i've
seen that reg like the majority of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
I think he was in like two of our episodes
when we covered it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah, I don't remember. He's just probably truck me as
not important enough.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Until well I didn't have a mustache until he.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Gets the mustache. Yeah. So he says, look, Richard, if
this is gonna do what you say, it is like,
don't talk anymore, don't don't even bother, shut up. Just
let's give you a file and we'll just call this
over if it can do what you say it can.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
And this is the equivalent of like a sports movie
where like it's the bottom of the knife, but it's
pretty funny to see it. They do pull it off.
But the dramatic application of that to tech like, oh,
how fast can you compress this file? It's a really
hard file. It's like one of the I have to
get a hit off one of the top closers in
the game.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Well, and we get them a call back there because
they're looking to find a file. What file would someone
come up with that would be the biggest deal to
Pied Piper.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
They turned to this guy that looks like Colin Mockery sort.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Of right, and he just pulls his bag out and
he's like, I've got the perfect file avatar.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Well that's the thing is what what does this guy
have and what is he carrying it around? At this conference?

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
For based on what we see, maybe for this he
has a I guess a video three D video file
of a cavern because they show it. What is he
doing with that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Did he film that himself or something?

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
He might have made himself as like a little personal
three D project or something. Maybe he just dabbles in there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
He started the whole three D trend, and he's he
wants to keep it going. He's mister three D.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
That could be I thought that was the Dudley Boys though, yeah,
the Deadley Death draw.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
So this is a one hundred and thirty two gigabyte
uncompressed three D video file, which is of course Pied
Piper's that's the fly in the ointment. What are some
of the other expressions for that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Spoon and the stew, that salt in the wound fish
up in that air.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
It's a it's a thing that they just couldn't quite
get down. It's the one thing that they weren't sure
they could compress properly. So of course that's the file
the judge has for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Wet Dog in an Ikea, it's their white whale.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
That one did make sense, yeah, I mean, if it
works out, that would be their white whale.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
But was the whale up in the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Yeah, Oh oh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
No, because they're not fish you said fish up in
this that they're mammals. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
The dramatic music kicks in at this point, which is
a little much considering the steaks. Just like a tech
thing here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
This is the thing I'm talking about, though they did
it well. He did this in King of the Hill
a lot like the swelling strings, and it's like the
first several times I would see it, I was so
thrown off by it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
The pipe piper quietly panics because they don't really believe
this is going to work, especially the three D file,
and it's the one format, like we said, they could
never handle. If they don't do it. Here, the company
really is done. This was their Hail Mary, and it's
not going to work if I can't do it. So
Richard transfers the file into the program and we wait
and suspense.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
And we watch a status bar.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Oh yeah, it gets hung up at forty percent briefly,
and that everyone's already panicking to that because they're thinking,
now it's going to stick there. But it goes right through.
After that, The resulting file compressed all the way down
to twenty four gigabytes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
You know how they could make it really really tense
for me if they or for Van two, if someone
was working in some sort of digital audio workstation and
things were going wrong and they didn't know why.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
It was like, oh my god, this this audition file.
I haven't auto saved in a bit, but I'm converting now.
If the conversion crashes, will I lose all of that
progress and I have to re edit? Brian, I have
latency now for no reason.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
So this seems like bad news because twenty four gigabytes
from one hundred and thirty two, there's just no way, guys,
you can't compress the file that much. So according to
Richard's calculations, that is like it should be twice that big.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Richard's like the odds of it actually being that small
and having worked, or like the odds of Tom Barns
are beating on a bunt single to win the game.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
He absolutely would say that he would know the baseball
he watched a major league The judge expresses skepticism as
well as well as us, and as the viewer, we
know asking Richard run that file through a Weisman test
and we'll just see what you did wrong, and we'll
all learn from miss Richard. During this process though, we're
learning that the file was perfectly compressed. Richard was wrong

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in his calculations, but actually in the underestimating category.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Yeah, it turns out Bernie Mack did revive his career
and get that three thousand pit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
That's why they call him mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
You know, he could have gotten it, but he chose
to give the ball to the fans.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Is that what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
He stays at mister twenty nine to ninety nine. I
don't know who David Wallis is, but I remember that
Bernie Mack moment. Bernie Mack, what a what a weird career,
strange career. The final Weisman score is actually five point two,
not three point eight. We're talking about at two point
nine was our theoretical limit, and now we're at five
point what's going on here?

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Bitch numbers?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
That's like twice the previous record. The needless to say,
everyone's amazed. Pied Piper's Crown Champions. They get their fifty
thousand dollars checked for placing first.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
I left really hard when that came out because I
didn't know that would.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Be the thinking this was like an established big D competition.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Yeah, because and I said to Katie, I was like,
for these venture capitalists that is hinnies that won't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
The idea, more than the money, is that you got
on this big stage in front of everyone. You've taken
a step full.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Now you have a future. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Maybe I'm not going to reward you for it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Yeah, I would imagine like most companies in this they're saying, like,
haven't found their billionaire funder and maybe now they will,
but they of course already had that. They did this
little out of order so early. Grant's the celebratory interview
right afterwards, the female journalist who is asking him questions
he responds to by saying, how fast do you think
you could jerk off this entire room? Because I know

(01:23:58):
exactly how long it would.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Such a smug look on his face. Who's so bad?

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
It's pretty great for it's kind of a dumpy line
or whatever. It's done so well, it got to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Show so much self confidence.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
And she's disgusted but still a little intrigued.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Yeah, like what is he talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Meanwhile, Richard is getting glad handed by tech tycoons from
all over who are clearly wanting in on his success.
They're telling him, I don't know what you just did,
but I want to buy it. Monica approaches last after
all this and says, wow, Peter just called and told
me he is not unpleased, which is his version of praise,
and things are gonna get really big. At this point,

(01:24:36):
we thought Piede Piper was dead. Now it's looking like
it's better than ever. The future is brighter than it
ever has been, and she does warn as the season
ends here, with all the success, there's going to be
some downsides. Things are gonna get a lot more crazy.
Peter is going to want to be a lot more
hands on with the operation. There's going to be multiple
offers of funding, You're gonna have to hire a lot
more people, and Gavin Belson's not going away base. This

(01:25:00):
is just gonna get a lot worse.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Monica's like, next season on Silicon Valley.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Might as well be. She's basically like, hey, you thought
it was hard before, It's gonna be even harder now.
Buckle up. So Richard rushes out to throw up as
the credits.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Roll, and then I put the Green Day shows up.
I guess, mm hmm, and I put, I put, this
is when Green Day was already bad.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
It had to be twenty fourteen. Yeah, which song.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Was from two thousand? I think yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
He was from Dookie right, No, that song was from
like when I was done already because I listened through
the first three well five technically, but the early ones
are kind of rough.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
I just remember when they did American Idiot. I went, alright,
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
This is that was even after that? Was it okay?

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Where?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
And I was like, this is passing for this sort
of thing these days.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Billy Joel, Armstrong.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Billy Joe, But you've presented an interesting an interesting musician
though likes together. You ever hear the Billy Joel version
of long View?

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
I would like to, not because I think it would
be good necessarily, but just why it doesn't it exist?
I want to know what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Punk Billy Joel. I mean we all thought that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
So that wraps up our episode and the first season
of Silicon Valley with that kind of the idea that
the tensions are going to mount in the coming seasons.
How did we feel watching that one?

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
It was fun. This was a good experience. I like
getting a comedy that is a comedy and is enjoyable.
I have problems with it as a voice, but overall,
this is a show that I could totally watch all
of and I'm sure i'd enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Yeah, for sure. I mean I already knew I liked it.
It was fun to revisit. I was surprised at how
much plotting. I'd forgotten how much plotting in the show
there actually is, and I think that's ambitious, but sometimes
it gets in the way. Sure a little bit that
said didn't affect my enjoyment at all. I mean, it's
kind of basically what I remembered.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
I do think that after seeing the second episode, I thought,
all right, I like this a little more because early
on were the buzzwords like this episode was so elon,
musk tech focus centric that I was. But then the
second one it's more, I don't know, a little more grounded.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I guess. I'd say once the show gets out of
its initial phase of like we're setting up the world
that we're in, I do think it helps, you know,
get everything on the characters more.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
And I do know and understand we're making fun of that.
Yeah yeah, group, and I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
But to your point, it's maybe not the most fun
thing to watch anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Yeah, that's very much a For example, I think I've
said this before. When I watched Parks and rec the
first time, as he's Ansari's character, it's so obnoxious. It
got to a point where I almost couldn't handle it.
The second time I watched Parks and Rec through, I
was and I was always in on the joke. But
i'd had that experience, it didn't bother me as much.
This is exactly the same thing. If I watched this

(01:27:55):
episode again, that stuff wouldn't bother me as.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Much, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Once you kind of understand the fabric of the show,
now you may never be able to tolerate. Andy Samberg
in Brooklyn nine nine nine, I'll never pass that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
We are coming back next week with another episode of
Silicon Valley. We will do the season two finale, so
we're not quite done with our journey into what we
know as the cradle of innovation and surprisingly near San Francisco.
I never really knew exactly where Silicon Valley was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
That's why San Francisco's fucked like it is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Yep, So we will be doing more of it next week.
There's a few things you should know about the Boob
two Boys before we go though.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
We're beautiful man, if you if you don't all wrong,
all three of us so so smart and smart and smart.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yeah. So we're on some places on the internet if
you like to use the Internet. We have our own
website Bootoo Inc.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Dot com, Social friend Pages dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Yep, we actually do have an Instagram Boob two Boys
on Instagram. Get if you like looking at pictures, we
do our part. We put pictures on the internet. We
also have a discord you can find the link to
on our website. Join us, talk to us you want to.
We have some bonus episodes on Patreon. That's patreon dot
com slash Bootoo Inc. You can go there. You can

(01:29:11):
listen to a whole bunch of extra episodes that are
outside of our normal feed where we're not necessarily talking
about a TV show. Let's just talk about whatever. There,
it's a lot more loose. Those are free. You have
the option to donate if you like what you do
and you want to kind of treat us as a
startup and fund us. There's a way you can do that.
We're also on YouTube. Give us a like, give us

(01:29:31):
a hit that smash that like button, like and subscribe
and leave a comment. And also, speaking of podcast apps,
whatever your podcast app of choice is, go there, rate us,
give us five stars, tell us what you like about it.
I am making a decision personally, just me. You guys
can bring it back. I'm going to kill the tattoo
joke on this episode. It's going to be a huge moment.

(01:29:53):
We're going to look back on it. If you give
us five stars and rate us, we'll do something. I
don't know what. It's hard to be.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Well, we always do read your review on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
That's true. We will absolutely read your even if it's
a mean one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
The review and a cartwheel.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Oh, speaking of podcast apps, I have decided I want
to start listening to some again. I just got a
new tablet, so I am now officially a pocket casts guy.
You guys, welcome to the team or is that what
you do? Yes, it's great, it's free and it works,
it does everything.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
I what do you use again?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Vana Geo's GEOGEO seven where we are, of course number
five in America. Sure we are on GEO seven, though
you should Actually you can't listen to us on there now.
I totally forgot about this. Now you can't because there's
this weird thing where well, if you're in the US,
you can't listen to us. If you're anywhere else you can.

(01:30:42):
The US cannot use GEO seven because GEO seven does
not monitor copyright like the US does. Now for the
most part, podcasts don't monitor copyright anyway, because like, for example,
we use the theme songs.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
That we're things.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Yeah, but they usually strike but anyway, but YouTube does. Anyway,
GEO seven don't. You can't listen. You could just.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Put a whole Billy Joel albums on on go seven
podcast episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Podcast that would be too. Yeah, So whatever your app is,
and if you're outside of the US it could be
GEO seven. Just give us a great review and tell
us why you like what we do. We're gonna keep
doing it anyway though, because we actually really enjoy this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Yeah, we don't give a shit. Oh, this Silicon Valley
episode gave me an idea, which is, if anyone would
like to punch me in the face and it results
in me getting fifty thousand dollars, come at me, have
that at it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
It'd be worth it. I definitely would also want to
put myself in that category. You can punch me too.
You can do like the like the jerk off thing
and figure out a way to punch us all in
the face at the same time if you want it
like one hundred thousand even or something.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Bitting around you actually don't punch, you just hold your
fist out and spin like a tornado, just up three arms.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
I would happily do that. So keep all of that
in mind, and most importantly, listen to our back catalog
and come back for more. Next week. We're gonna do
this again, more Silicon Valley, more tech ideas. We started
this episode with a really good tech idea of our own,
So I think that it's time to end this episode
and get to work on money trough. Is that what
it's called?

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
We changed it all right, Let's get to work, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Truth

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