Ep 161 | Renegade: "Stalker's Moon" - Boob Tube Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hell, yeah, we're riding down the highway our hogs in
full throttle with miles per gallon and the wind in
your eyeballs.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh it sounds bad.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
It doesn't sound that bad, Spencer Hendrix.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's why I always wear my helmet when I ride
in the highway.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Were you supposed to do that at all times? Actually
you don't when you're in Renegade because too cool, too cool,
And there was apparently California changed the law just as
they were filming the show, so they'd already started not
having to wear a helmet, and then they were like, well,
if we make him wear a helmet, he'll seem like
a dork.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, and then it hides his only good feature.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
His face. Brian Vaughan, how much of a dork are
you compared to Lorenzo Lamas.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Actually it's pretty even.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I think so, because he's pretty dorky.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah you wouldn't, you know, on the surface, think so.
But then when the speaking starts.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
He really is not a good speaker or certain actor,
but he's he's just very dry and boring and soft.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
A little too laid back when he doesn't need to
be like he just doesn't seem like he yeah, I
don't think he can act.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Wow, bold statements on those two boys job, That's what
I'm saying. The announcer said it, so we have to
believe it's true. We are the Boop two boys. We
are discussing season three, episode fifteen of Renegade Stalker's Moon.
It'll be up to you to determine what that means
about the whole moon thing, because it's not really present,
but whatever, we'll get into that momentarily. This is, of course,

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our third episode of our rewind series, where we're taking
a look back at old shows we've done. We could
redo them because we thought we did a bad job.
We could redo them because we thought they were fun.
We could redo them because we pulled their name out
of a hat, whatever it may be. We're picking our
own shows from our own catalog and revisiting them, and
that's what we're doing here with Renegade, and as such,

(01:56):
I will not be going back through really in detail
the cap crew details of the show, that sort of thing,
because we've already.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Done it episode twenty one.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
There you go, twenty one. If you want to hear that,
go check it out, and I think you should because
those were some really fun episodes. We had Johnny Cash
showing up and beating the shit out of a renal rains,
and then we had an episode where Wayne Newton showed
up and some other people beat the shit out of
a renal rains. Breezer was there.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
That's really notable how Wayne Newton's hair color is real
and natural.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's very natural. It's nice and jet black ink black.
But that's not what we're talking about. On today's show,
Wayne Newton and his hair does not show up. Instead,
we have a different celebrity guest. And I did realize
that each episode of Renegade we've covered has had a
big time celebrity guest in some capacity.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
And this is a show that I think did that
a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
The Stephen J. Canell shows do that well, let's draw
audiences by familiarity.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
And he was successful with a lot of these syndication shows.
So we had the clout to get these people who
just kind of wanted to have fun and do it.
I don't know what cromwell inspiration to do this show
was other than I'm gonna have a blast.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
But yeah, because for some reason, Academy Award nominee and
renowned actor James Cromwell is in Renegade, and he's not
playing a normal.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Role, certainly not. Now, this show actually aired on January
twenty third, nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
What were you guys doing that day?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I would have been ten, coming up on ten years old.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
January thirty seven, twenty third, twenty third. It's gonna say
it was the third though, was my dad's forty first birthday? Yeah,
forty first birthday he was he was a age we
are now essentially. Yeah, I know it was a couple
of weeks after that, but I imagine I was it
was right in the middle of like fifth grade, right,
because I think that was fifth grade for us, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I think I was probably concerned with, like coming off
the baseball strike at how shortened the nineteen ninety five
season would be.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right at the start of it, I was probably playing
with the Ninja Turtle or video game.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Perhaps this had to have been really close to when
James Cromwell was in Babe. If it was ninety five,
r I had to been.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Like, I believe that was the time period. Yea, yeah,
I look this up. But he plays the same character
yeah in Babe as he does in Renegade.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Let the end of the episode, he flees in the States. Yep,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, similar mindsets.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Now, this episode got a five point seven out of
ten on IMDb, which has actually got those reversed. Well,
it's a little lower than the series's overall score of
five point nine out of ten. And I'll be honest,
actually am surprised because as far as it goes, this
is not a bad episode of nineteen ninety five television.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Here's the thing about Renegade. I missed this kind of thing,
and what by this is so stupid and stupid in
a way that is so busy, Like every two seconds
there's a new thing like why did you even say that?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
And it's taking itself so seriously, which I appreciate because
it is a show that dares you to call it dumb,
and we will.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
It's dumb, but it is so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, this one was actually directed by Lorenzo Lamas, our
star here, and that's kind of why he has a
bit of a minimal role in this episode. He did,
of course, does show up periodically, but yeah, they really
passed it off to Bobby six Killer to carry for
this one, and I think he did a good job.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Bobby six Killer is my obviously my favorite character on
regular character anyway on Renegade, and man, I feel backed
up in that watching this episode, you know, three years later,
because great, he really lights up the screen. He is
nothing but just full bore, you know, white hot sun charisma.
You know, he's only happy. He's not even outfitted. This

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is a decorated man.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Man a quick cast rundown. Like I said, I won't
talk about them all in detail, but just you know
who's who. Reno Rains is played by Lorenzo Lamas. Bobby
six Killers played by brand's Combe Richmond, and we've got
Cheyenne Phillips. Actually we didn't get her in our first
two Renegade episodes, and she is Lorenzo Lamas's real life
wife at this time. I know I mentioned that back then,

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but it's worth repeating that. The only reason she's in
this show is because she was afraid he would cheat
on her if he was always on the road during
the show and she was at home. So she forced
them to cast her in the show as a main character,
and that's what happened.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
So that's how you get the logical leap of her
being Bobby's sister. Yes, growing up in a reservation.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
And of course he did eventually cheat on her while
on the road, and they dropped her from season five
and added a different female lead whoever he was dating
at that time.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Eatly, And let's just be logical here. Even if her
plan did work and that was the reason why it worked,
come on, is Lorenzo Lamas really worth that then? If
he's going to do.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
That, boy, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I don't think so. I think we're going to have
to say now.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
We do have a special guest star on today's episode.
We mentioned it. It's James Cromwell. He has been mentioned
frequently on this show. He is supremely famous. Essentially, he's
been in things like The Green Mile, La Confidential and
had guest spots on the following Boop two Boys covered
shows night Rider, The Twilight Zone, Magnum p I, Matt Locke,

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Home Improvement.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And er Amazing.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
He plays doctor Jeremy Silliman, a professor at a local college.
And we'll leave it at that. More will be revealed,
all right, Well, let's talk about this episode once again.
A season three episode fifteen, Stalker's Moon. It opens with
a suspicious soundtrack and we see the outside of a
prestigious university at night, where students and faculty are walking about,

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seemingly headed home. It honestly sounds and looks like an
episode of Colombo. I think, just to kind of horn
soundtrack spooky area.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's clear as something's going to go down, and it's
a college campus at like ten pm or something, which
is a dangerous time.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
As the spooky music plays, the camera lurches towards a
woman deep in her work at a desk and a
man's shadowy, imposing figure silhouetted on the books and books
behind her.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
And the music is telling us watch out.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
This woman does sense someone near her, and she looks
up from her papers, but sees nothing as the man
ducks behind a bookcase. A voice then comes over the
speaker system, saying the library will be closing soon. As
the lights over her desk begin to flicker, she turns
to gather things and accidentally drops a book.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
This woman, this character who will we'll find out her
name soon, but one of the worst characters I've ever
seen it holding books and not dropping them.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's more than once, which is too many times in
an episode one.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
As the tense soundtrack comes to a climax, suddenly we
hear a resounding boom out of the background, and she's startled.
She looks up to see none other than the six
foot ten inch farmer from Babe, James Cromwell. He's staring
imposingly at her from the top of the stairs, which
just adds more height to someone who doesn't need it.
But it's a little prank. He's being cute. She laughs

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and says, Oh, you scared me half to death, and he's,
for some reason, surprise that he scared her, even though
he says kidnappings of women are currently going on with
a serial murderer. I'm surprised I scared you.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
So we find out he you know, they know one another.
We're not to be scared of James Cromwell. We're not
to drop our books at his presence.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, not a big deal. And he does refer to
himself as an arrested adolescent at heart.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yes, he's also sporting one of the more unnecessary ponytails
I've ever seen. He's got a skullet going on.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, his hair's already quite wispy, and it's a little
long in the back, but like it could just sit there.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Can you guys even imagine what a young James Crummel
would even look like.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I think this is him. I think this is him young.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
So he's fifty three in this?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
So he's one hundred and five now.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, basically, I don't think I can picture that guy
not looking like some version of this.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, our whole lives he's been kind of old like that.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And he's still active. He is literally acting to this day.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
He was in all of secession. Yeah, just ended.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
She does laugh off his little spooky joke and says,
I'll get you back so good one of these days.
She won't.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
No, it's more he'll get hurt.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Well, maybe she will.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, it's true.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
They walk down the halls of the library and chat
with one another, showing that they're clearly comrades. She says,
even with the kidnapper out there, I'm not worried about it.
She should be because she's taken a self defense class
and she has her trusty mace with her.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not the rapper who is part of puff Daddy's stable
in the nineties or mace Windu or mace Windho, not himy.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
The mace tyrrell.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I think we've done a lot of masis. We probably have, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Like a one hundred episodes ago.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think after a certain grace period, we should be
allowed to repeat our old jokes, like once we get
all fifty episodes. Since that joke, let's bring it back.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
She does say good night to him and begins to
walk down the foggy street as he goes off in
the opposite direction. Or so we thought.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
When the music gets creepy here, she should turn back
around and go back inside, Like that's what I would
do if the music got creepy.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
No, she says, I'll walk forward and not drop my books.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
That didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
She does quickly notice a man following behind her and
begins to panic and walk at a faster pace, constantly
glancing backwards towards her pursuer. Makes you go faster, But
in her haste again she drops some more books. It's
what she does, and instead of running away in fear,
leaving her books to be found later, she stoops to
start gathering them up and then looks up into her horror.

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She's met with an enormous, probably six foot ten inch
man wearing a large trench coat, a hat that says
SBSC and the legitimately terrifying Owen Wilson mask.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
It is going to be really hard to identify this killer.
There are so many six ten five guys running around
out there. Yep.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
It is genuinely frightening to look at this giant, smiling
man though, for sure, and he kind of like lurches
towards her. She makes a bunch of horrified noises and
then lets out that one stock woman's scream that's been
in like every show and movie for the last forty years.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Like the female scream of that wilhelm scream. It's that
version of it.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Then Wilhelmina scream, well.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
You know, and then this happens.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
He was a cop and good at his job, but
he committed the ultimate sin and testified against other cops
on bad cops that tried to kill him but got
the woman he loved instead framed for murder. Now he
prowls the bad lands and outlaw hunting outlaws, a bounty
hunter out running a.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Fuck. Yes, is all I have to say to that.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Just like night Writer, the show feels it is too complicated,
not to explain everything, to.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Break it down so you don't lose interest. I will
say this one. Since it started in a library, the
thought in my head came he was a librarian and
good at his job.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
He knew all of the Dewey decimal system.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I really wish that had been like the setting in
Reno Range has worked in the library in this episode.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I would say that would be super boring, But I
don't know. Seeing him try and do something banal might
be interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
He could make it work.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
He does not look like a librarian. No, and Spencer
would know he was a Librarrian I was.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
It was some of the happiest times of my life.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
All right, So this is still probably my favorite intro
of all of our Bootu Boys shows. If not, it's
certainly top five. Brian, after all these episodes, what do
you think.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's tough for me? Because I the song annoys me.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I love the side so hokey.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
My favorite part of the intro is, of course the
stupid explanation, but more than that, the action shots that
don't make any sense together.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, like Reno pouring water over himself.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Well, stuff blows up.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
We need him doing that like, that's that's the only
thing he can really we.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Need to know how wet this guy is capable of getting.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
But of course one of the best parts is Bobby
six Killer doing the psych handshake thing and running his fingers.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
That is the very best part of I guess all
the shows we've covered.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, But when we return from the intro segment, we
find ourselves at a camp site where Reno Rains is
busy sleeping next to his hog.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
He loves being outside, well, sleeping outside.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
He's a bounty hunter chasing outlaws, a renegade, so he
has to be outside.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Looks so content sleeping out there under the stars. Just
there's nowhere he'd rather be.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
But his nineteen ninety five so phone starts to ring
and it's Chyenne and she is freaking out. She tells
him to meet her and Bobby at China Lake and
to get there fast. He has to have like the
third cell phone ever made. Yet he lives outdoors and
is on the run, so doesn't have income or yeah,
a bank account.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I guess Bobby must just give him cash or something.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, I think. So he climbs aboard his motorcycle and
then we watch him ride it up the walking path
that presumably China Lake. He jumps off his bike and
rushes to the RV, where I assume his partners are
dealing with some sort of issue when suddenly the door
swings open and it's Cheyenne. She's holding a birthday cake.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Psych Ah, that was the real emergency. Reno's getting older?

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Is that the second time I said psyke in one episode?
Because Bobby's six killer pyke with the hand?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Oh yeah, you did. I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, Bobby's late, He's not here for this party. It's
Reno's big b day mash. He says that the cake
and candles, which he does blow out after making his wish,
that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
That's so cool. I had a birthday.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
And again, Lorenzo Lamas doesn't sound cool when.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
He talks well and the way she's like, uh you.
She says something about remembering her forgetting and and he's like,
I've forgotten my birthday.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
You wouldn't think i'd forget your birthday.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well, I forgot, Mindy, not a smart guy. It's a
real shame that I have forgotten my birthday. I am
able to keep away from police detection for years. On end,
but I don't remember my own birthday.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Shay tells Rena to open up his presence first, and
he goes presence as if he's never heard the concept
of getting gifts on his birthday. I don't know, he
may not have. She hands him a couple of bags
with bows on him and this large colorful thing made
out of like cat tunnel material, you know what I'm
talking about. She tells him to throw it up in
the air, and he's again be fuddled at this request,
but he does give it a go. Turns out it's

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one of those tent things that you fling it and
it opens itself and sets itself up. Except it's this
sad like sideless camping tent that I just sleep on
the This isn't going to protect you from anything?

Speaker 3 (16:02):
What is this for this part of the show.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's very important, Brian.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Did they have a contract with whatever's worse than Coleman
to present this shitty half.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Tent yet with explosive tent thing? It's very weird.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
I was pretty baffled at this point, like are they
just going to keep introducing more like dollar aisle discount products?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I mean, it's clear she spent no money on this
stead happy birthday.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
This will help for when it rains, when you're homeless
like you always are, for my choice.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
But regardless of all this, Reno does have the excitement
of a ten year old who just receives socks from
Grandma Christmas and wants to be polite.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I can't tell if that's sad or that is Lorenzo
almost trying to act excited.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
He is excited.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I thought it was. I thought he was doing his best, and.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
He goes, look at that, which we have to before
it's on the TV.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, fortunately for us the audience, Bobby six Killer has arrived.
He's got his mullet and toe, and.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
This is where he should say, look at that.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
He's apologetic about being late, but he says the Santa
Barbara Stalker has cleaned his seventh victim, and Bobby's clearly
worked up over this. He tells Reno and Shaye that
he's going after the killer because he even had a
prophetic dream about him where it was as if he
could see his face, and if he had seen his face,
it would save some runtime in this episode.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
But well, Reno tells him that dreams aren't real, which
is not true, like I know what he means.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, he doesn't say it's okay, how can I help?
It's Bobby dreams aren't real, which.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Is yet another thing where Rea and she's like, Reno,
do we need to get you a tutor?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Bobby tells him, hey, don't diss me, which is very nicey.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Then he puts an L on his forehead and then
he plays POGs.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well basically, Bobby says. Skiller says, I'm gonna go do this.
You stay here. He says, look at me. I'm the captain.
Now this is my episode. And you stay, you do
the like typing or whatever you need to do. And
at this Bob he's off to stop a serial killer.
I do wonder what was in Reno's like other the
presence and the bags, because it was like smaller bags,

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like you know, you put candy or smaller items into socks.
Maybe I don't know, but I wonder what she would
get him.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
What do you get this guy like disguises, you know,
since he's always on the lamb.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Maybe a sock for his motorcycle, like you put it
over a thing, hair ties ooh that's good muscle shirt.
Yeah yeah, vess chest hair glisten wax shark repellent. That's
for the beach episodes.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, he doesn't need that yet.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Next, outside of the courthouse in Santa Barbara Police Captain Frank,
and that is his name, per IMDb. I don't know
if that's a cutesy name and Frank is his you know,
Captain Frank, that's his first name, or if that's his
last name, could be either. He's giving a speech to
reporters about the most recent kidnapping by the Santa Barbara killer,
and he says the victim was last seen outside of
a library by a doctor Jeremy Silliman, who has just

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completed his statement and is definitely not the killer.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
This is another is so stupid about renegade, but I
love it right away. Every bit of evidence points right
at Cromwell.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
But no one has anything.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
No one even like the good guys the cops. Everybody agrees,
but they can't get along either.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Reporters are asking questions when Bobby six Killers shows right
up in a cool ass frilled Native American jacket, bolo tie,
and aviator sunglasses, and it just never ceases to amaze
me how much cooler he is than a renal rains
he is. Bobby asks if a body has been found,
and the police captain is antagonistic towards him, but does
reveal that that is correct, nobody has been found. After

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the conference, the captain b lines towards Bobby, but before
he can start complaining six killers, sassism, real good.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, no, no, no, allow me, allow me. What the
hell are you doing here? You have no right? And
this is a top priority case. Six killer. I don't
know one amateur is underfoot mucking it up?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Is that about cover it? Sassy?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
This is an episode full of Bobby Sassin people too,
and I love every second area. Yeah, this is he
takes no shit.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
The cop clearly has it out for Bobby, and he says,
I know why you're here. You're seeing dollar signs, to
which Bobby replies, you wound me, captain.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
And every time I hear you're seeing dollar signs, it's
a real Claudette moment.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, but then Bobby does ask about that witness the
captain mentioned doctor Silliman before making fun of the cops.
More Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Bobby basically says, so he did it right, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Right away, and the CoP's like, oh no, he's very good.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
He's James Cromwell. He's a terrific actor.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Now, did you guys know that Cheyenne is a hacker?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I did not, but now I watched this episode, so
I do.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, she's quite the hacker. She is struggling. She's back
at the campsite on her giant Neil Breen laptop, and
she's frustrated because she says she's trying to crack the
NCIC file on the Stalker case. But guess what, it's
encoded six ways from Sunday.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
I also made note of her phrasing. She also does
not say she's hacked and adjust about everything she needs.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Now Reno, who's jabbing at a car battery with some
utensil of some sort, He asked, sir, what's really on
your mind? And she says this case is particularly concerning
for not just her but also Bobby and Reno mentioned
six killer. Going after a bounty for free is pretty odd,
so what's the deal. Cheyenne reveals that back when she
and Bobby were living on the reservation, there was a

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killer loose, the Mescalero Strangler, which sounds way more interesting
than the Santa Barbara killer, but that's life. Anyway, the
Mescalero strangler was targeting, in Cheyenne's words, Anglo women, and
it hit both her and Bobby pretty hard since she's
obviously an Anglo woman.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
And that's why Bobby has this weird, weird quirk where
he feels aligned against murder, like it took him knowing
there was one. I like this too, like where we
have to create a personal connection otherwise no one would
believe serial killers. Enough, dude, Like, I think anyone would
want to stop that if they were in that field.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Nope, you got to have that thing that really ties
it together. This is renegade. You don't take this easy man,
No taking the low road. You go high every time
because your motorcycle can get up there. Well, it can
do flips, she says. You can't imagine it. Reno wondering
if every stranger you see is coming after you. But
he can imagine that because he is currently on the

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run from the police, so yes.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Which he always is. The whole point of the show
is he's on the run.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, that's how he has to live his life. He's
a bounty hunter, a renegade.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Why did he pick the name Vince Black? I'm sure
We've talked about that, but that sounds so fake, but
it's pretty cool. Well, yeah, but that's why it sounds
fake y.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, yeah, but that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
It sounds more real than Reno Rains though.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
The plot of the show is Renal Rains, played by
Lorenzo Lamas, was a cop who was good at his job,
but he committed the ultimate sin and testify against good
cops gone bad, and now he's paying the ultimate price
as a bounty hunter who is named Vince Black so
they don't use his Renal Rain's name and get caught.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
I bet you that was really hard for Lorenzo Lamas.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
He had to think of that.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Where the scenes when he totally got that wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
He' said, wait a minute, So I'm Marenzo right, No, no,
you're Vince. But who's Reno?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Now would Vince act in this situation versus Rena? We
are the same guy.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's my wife, but no, not in this show. She
but I married her.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
But she's Bobby, She's is she Branscomb sister Noe.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
And this is Stephen J. Cannell sitting there shaking his
head the whole time.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Should have cast a different leading man.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
We're now in an auditorium at the college where the giant,
talented James Cromwell is giving a lecture to his class,
where he says he's teaching the class the sociology of deviance,
or commonly referred to as it's more familiar name, nuts
and sluts.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, more familiar name here at all the time. This
is where we truly understand that James Cromwell is not
here simply to collect a paycheck, because even doing this lecture,
he's having a very good time.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh he's very boisterous.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
He carries a certain smugness the way he intends to.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
And I don't don't think he's smug. I think this
is true acting.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Like that he understands
the like haughtiness of the of a serial killer, because
that's a real trait, you know that you often read
about even when they're messing up, they think there's some
sort of God or whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, they see their victims is beneath them.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
And even though he's turning it up twenty percent more
than he should, because he knows he's on renegade, right,
he's getting that right.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
After the class gets a good laugh about nuts and sluts.
The professor says, if you call it nuts and sluts
within my earshot, you will be immediately failed. No way either.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
He loves saying it.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh he says it again later, but he does say
to treat the subject with the respect it deserves. Now,
this whole time, we scan across the students, which is
a sea of white people. I might add, but there's
one dark mulded body here, and of course Bobby six Killer.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
I think it probably did stick out. Oh there's a
giant adult man.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
He takes a seat to listen to the lecture. But
then Silliman dismisses the class. And considering what he was
just saying, which was introducing the topic and the class,
did it just start and now it's over, I would think,
so that's what I think. Had that was the whole
first lesson.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I love that about This is such a TV show
thing too, like where it cuts and the teacher will say,
like the big crux of what they're teaching, like and
that's what anthropology at its core is.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
As he got our three minute class today.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Which as if you're a college student, you're like, that
was awesome. I got to nuts and sluts and it
was like two minutes long.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
And now I have the day off.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Bobby hangs back after all the students leave and introduces
himself to the professor, who already knows who he is
thanks to that police captain who watches Renegade too, he's
familiar with him. The two walk and talk through like
four separate scenes. It keeps transitioning, and it's the same conversation.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
By the way, and the whole time, I'm struck by
the if you were on college, you but these are
huge people just walking around. He's giants because like Brand's
commerceman looks is six three and looks kind of short
and he's wide. Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Find out that Sillimon actually does want to talk to Bobby.
The least chief you know, told him, hey, don't say
anything to the six killer bounty hunter, but Siln says,
I want to because I'm interested in a helping out
anyone in this case. I knew Gretchen, the woman who
has taken Gretchen Tolliver for those who are in the know.
And also I'm interested in picking Bobby's brain about nuts

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and sluts because his line of work he deals with
a lot of nuts and sluts.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
And outset of work.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
So he invites the bounty hunter to his house that evening,
gives him his business card, which Patrick Bateman would find
to be hideous, I believe, and then Bobby agrees. He says, Okay,
I'll be there at six.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
I do like that. Bobby seems excited by this. He's
like he was first disappointed and he was like, oh man,
you're not going to answer any of my questions. Aria
then he's like, oh cool, a social hangout, because at
his core, Bobby is a social animal. He just wants
to be friends.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
He's an extrovert.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Ohh way, but he's the kind that I really like
because he seems so good hearted, except for if you
put him, let's say, in a compromising position, and then
all back are off.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's now six pm and Bobby is driving this colossal
vehicle to doctor Sillman's house. Do you think that they
had it be six pm on purpose? Because it's six killer?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
And did you see the license plate on this the
World's white ast SUV. I missed it six K I
all the killer industries.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I want that as a license plate. No, we can't
get car. We can't get kit might as well get
six killer whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Is this like a hummer before they existed?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yes, because they actually call it a hummer later, Oh
they do, But it is why.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Because at this point were they only military vehicles.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I think so, because no one in the civilian populace
needs to drive something with a two mile per grown rating.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
We actually did know that and accept that as a
society at one point, like these are only for military
use because they're not practical, And now we're like, man,
we'll run the world.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, I think douchebags has got a hold of one and.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
They kind of start to decide again, you can't have it.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Finally a little bit.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, yeah, I don't do that.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
But there was a big run during the bush Ad ministry.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I remember, yeah, and I you know, I was young
and impressible, so I was like those are kind of
cool when I was like sixteen or something.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Then you're like, wait, they do what do you.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Remember that, Brian? At the apartment I shared with Chris
Barboa and you might two Spencer, there was a woman
who lived directly beneath us who had this weird like
Nissan vehicle, which's real attractive. Why I remember, but it's
this not a Hummer, not an SUV, but they're big
and weird looking. Yes, I always kind of was intrigued
by those.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, I know the exact vehicle you're talking about. I'm
not going to sit here and try to come up
with like the make and model or the I guess
it just be the model, but they are very distinct looking.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Bobby's here at Silliman's house and he enters through the
gate and he sees a note on the front door
that says the professor had to step out for a moment,
so Bobby should make himself at home as the door
is unlocked, and he doesn't hesitate, No, he goes right in.
He kind of meanders to the house. He looks at
all the weird stuff, including a stuffed thinnick fox, weird
oval painting of a medieval noble hag, a lot of

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lit candles, books, books, books, and a Hieronymous Bosh painting
which should probably be dead giveaway that this guy killed
a bunch of people.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
And then he watches Bosh. Also, I love that he
left the house with like a thousand candles on fire.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, you know, in k fabe.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Something does catch A perceptive bounty hunter's eye, however, and
he rushes over to a coat rack where he sees
a baseball cap that says sbsc on.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Oh shit, this is the best. This is my I'm
sorry I keep having to just repeat plot details, but
this is what renegade does for me. It makes me
just smile because it's so dumb, like, oh, a baseball
hat for the university of the town we live in.
There's only one guy that can have that. It's the killer.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And the police chief mentioned that some people had seen,
you know, the killer walking around.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
With clues that he likes to wear the every.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Fourth person on the campus probably doesn't have a hat
of the college.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Well, Bobby, he picks it up and he says out
loud to himself, baseball cap.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
That's the last thing he gets out.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
It sure is.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
But we know he's good at identifying objects by him
doing that.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's I think James Cromwell was waiting for him to
say that line, because that's when it's like, I knew
you try.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
To not even kidding. I wonder if that was a
cue because it's so unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, you guys, mention it. Just then, an enormous old
man leaps out of the shadows. He grabs Bobby from behind,
placing a rag over his mouth and holding it there
is our very strong hero struggles before eventually crumpling to
the floor passed out. Normally I would say something like,
there's no way the six foot ten hundred and forty
five pound James Cromwell could take down a Bobby six Killer.

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But I do think James Cromwell is probably otherworldly strong,
Like he has no muscle tone, but could pick up
a house for some reason.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
It could be especially then before his bones got completely hollow.
He looks like he could get leverage from that angle.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, those long limbs, there's nothing you could do.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
He could win arm wrestling competition. It's just because of that.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
You'd be like getting caught in a tree, like an
int is attacking you.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm imagine. I like the feel of his old body,
and like maybe knowing that his ma is closing open
on my head. I just don't like it, the idea
of James Cromwell capturing me. I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
With Bobby on the ground, the professor leans over and says,
very good, mister Six's Killer. I knew you'd figure it out.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Love it, Love it, Love it from here on out,
especially this episode kind of rules because James Cromwell, every
line he gets is like some self satisfactory smug line
and he just he just choos on it.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Meanwhile, back at the RV at Chinaman Lake or whatever,
Reno is busy wrenching and screwdrivering all over his bike,
and Cheyenne has just lost it. It's apparently the next day,
and Bobby hasn't checked in with her, which goes against
the deal that two have always had. Again their siblings
that are very close, so she is rightfully freaking out.
Reno calms her down and tells her both of us
will go look for Bobby together as soon as I'm

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finished fine tuning my chopper. And she does mention, however,
that with the killer around, Santa Barbara is full of cops,
so Reno has to be very very careful, but she
does agree to his plan. She's right, of course, because
as they head to Santa Barbara, they immediately run into
a cop on the highway. Reno starts acting like real suspicious.
He keeps like looking behind him at the cop, and.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
He's also, as we mentioned, he's not wearing a helmet,
and Reno Rains learns along ast very recognizable guy. So
if everybody's looking for you, maybe wear the helmet for
that reasons.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
What you're trying to say is there's just too much
heat on him.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I don't think he's good at his job.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Well, and even if he I don't know, wasn't as
recognizable or like, even if people didn't know who he was,
he's still someone that people will be drawn to look at.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, like, who's this handsome guy on a motorcycle with
flowing locks. Another thing is he could just ride in
the car with chi in No, why is he not
doing that?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Because we got to get the motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
They ride parallel to one another, Regade, Brian, this is
a normal TV.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Show where people ride together, people ticular kids to school.
Luckily for Reno, the cop flips on his lights and
siren and turns a different direction and they're in the clear.
And now that scene was worth it, good enough.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
There's a lot of bike riding scenes.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Bobby is now passed out in a chair with his
arms tied behind him, and the professor gives him a
hard slap across the face and tells him to wake up.
He tells him his hands are bound by piano wire,
and they're well below ground level, so no one above
can hear him. As his father built this place as
a wine cellar slash fallout shelter.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
What a great touch there, His greatest passion and fear
morphed into one beautiful facility.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
And James Cromwell's just pacing around as he narrates his
life's tale to poor Bobby six Killer, who's incapacitated.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Six Killer does ask his captor why he's still alive,
and Silman grabs him by the hair and shirt and
violently flings him through a nearby door, telling him he
has his reasons. Bobby slams against a wall in this dark,
dank room where we can see bars over the lone
window that's blackened out. And wait a minute, they're underground.
Why is there a window?

Speaker 3 (34:02):
It's a great question.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Why would there ever be a window?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think maybe this is another detail that somehow just
slipped on past the writing team.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
A little bit. Anyway, the professor matter of factly tells
us about all of this situation.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
This is your special room. I do hope you like it.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Who's the decorator?

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Don't be rude? It has everything you need. I refitted
this room to serve my own needs. It's completely secure,
completely soundful. You saw the tape recorder outside. It runs
very slowly and the sensitivity is turned all the way up.
When I come back later, if I hear anything that
indicates you made the slightest effort to escapeboard call for help,

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it will be disciplined severely.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
So James Cromwall has locked someone up in his basement before, right.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, I mean at this point we kind of know
that he's saying I'm a serial killer. Weladly, Yeah, with
a tape recorder.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
B He's so good at this, though, it is a
little terrifying. Yeah, to watch him do all of this
with such a gleam in his eye.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Well, we talked about character actors in their eyes and
the fact that James Cromwell, even when he's hamming it up,
his face looks kind of terrifying.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Bobby rushes at his captor, and the Professor just kind
of bunks him into the wall where he falls to
the ground. Silliman calmly leans down next to Bobby and
I know I just played a clip, but I need
to play another clip here because this shit is menacing
as fuck.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
You have no.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Idea how completely helpless you are at this moment.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Jesus, just you know, bleak stuff all right?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
With that dark, dark stuff under our belt, I think
we need to lighten up a bit, right, guys.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, I'm a little afraid of what that means, but
I tentatively agree, probably the world according to Jim.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Why would you be so afraid of this? Well, I
say lighting up because I want to teach you, guys
some information you might need in your life going forward.
Is this about according to Jim that No, it's not.
This is motorcycle slang, real or fake.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Addition, okay, is there anything about the Sopranos in here? Maybe?

Speaker 1 (36:09):
A little? Okay, No, I'm going to give you motorcycle
slang terms. These are some reel some I made up,
and you're going to determine if they're real. In the
biker community, you know, Hell's Angels all that stuff, or
again if something I made up, or that the hell wheels,
even the Hell wheels. Certainly from our first Renegade episode.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I should warn you my dad has ridden a motorcycle
and I might have heard him say some of these.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I'll bet you have just casually around the house. Well,
you two work together on this. We'll see if he
says some of the things that are on this list.
Let's start off with doggy style. That sex.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
That means an event involving two bikes where one bike
rides so close to the backside of the other that
they can reach out and touch the rider in front.
Is that real?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I mean that sounds if that was real, like what
it would be.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Sure, But would they want the motorcycle slang to be
that closely associated with what the bad time stuff?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Doggy style? Spencer, I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I don't think it. I don't think it's real.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Okay, I'm going to Spencer because none of no one
in my family can ride a motorcycle.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
That is fake. I did make that one.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I never once heard my dad say anything about doggy style.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Maybe something not in any iteration.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
No, not in relation to Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
You wouldn't even say big pussy. He's not gonna say
doggy style.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
There's that one Snoop Dogg song What's My Name? Where
it's a skit in the beginning where he's.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
With the girl me you just love my doggy style.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Bingo and that's what that made me think of when
Brian said.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
That, Yeah, I grew up in that era where I
love that song Snoop Dogg. He was all over the place,
and I was like, I like Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, I think that was I think everyone felt that
way in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Great, all right, What about this one?

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Though?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Is just a real or fake? Motorcycle slang term poker
run a special kind of rally where participants receive a
playing card at every stop along the route. At the end,
the writer with the best poker hand wins a neat product.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
That's real. They did those at the bowling Alley. They
had flyers up.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
You sound confident and do it.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's real. That is real. Good job, Brian, you knew
that one.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
You read the flyers that were put out at your
work fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
That also answers the burning question that's always in the
back of my head, as are any of these going
to be real?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Now we know at the beginning of any of Van's games,
that is a doubt that we have to consider.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
It's why I try to slip a real one in
what about this one?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Squids, Those are in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
A derogatory term for an overly cocky rider, specifically applied
to riders who flaunt their lack of protective gear and
or try to ride far above their skill level to
maintain an image.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
The squid, though, trying to think of how that would connect.
Now if he said something like riders who pour inkoll
over their head before they go and ride, I'm like, yeah,
that's a squid, real freake squid. But it doesn't sound
like something he would take up. No, I agree, it's
sounds like very feasible.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Let's real.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
There's squids and motorcycles.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
There are squids and motorcycles. That is, in fact a
real slang term for me.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
It's like, how do you think you say that? Like, Oh,
we got a squid over there, That squid over there
Australian accent.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Oh look at that squid over there. That's not an
Australian accent squid.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
That was kind of JFK a little bit.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Look at that squid over there. Let me hop on
my chop out.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I'd like the funk. They ain't out of this one.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Get me some narcotics.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
I have problems not for long.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
My nephew's dumb as fuck.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Worst guy there ever is brainworms maybe one other guy.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
All right, let's move on. Is this some real or
fake Sturgis throwdown when rival motorcycle gangs have a dispute
over territory so they engage in a full blown tickle fight.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Real, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I'm gonna say fake on that one. I think we agree.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
You don't think the hell wheels have engaged in a
tickle fight and.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Make them more likable?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
That is in fact fake. I made that one up.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (39:55):
How about this one? Did I make this up? Brian
ape hangers and extremely tall style of motorcycle handlebars associated
with cruiser bikes necessary on some type of hard tales
because the rider has to physically pull themselves out of
the seat when going over bumps, but they serve a
purely decorative purpose on any other kind of motorcycle. Ape hangers.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I think that's real. I know what that means. I mean,
I know what you're describing those like when those the
real big sitting and real low on their arms are
all the way up.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yep, you look like an ringu tang.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'm trying going on.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, Okay, it's real.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
That is in fact real. I chose it because it
said ape.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
That was kind of what I was thinking, thinking, there's
a chance to go fake, just like when you pick
a show. If you're looking at episodes and you see ape,
you pick It's.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
That's what I'm taking. How about this one? Muffin stops
a notorious ride of passage for new members of a
biker group or gang, where they have to stop somewhere
along the route and buy everyone some muffins. I wish
muffins stop.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I wish that's very wholesome, But I don't think you
don't think that's real.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Muffins seem like a bicycle food.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Bikers don't eat muffins.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, you can't join like a Hell's Angels unless you've
had at least forty five muffins.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Maybe, like if they had a leather black muffin. Yeah,
fire on it like a Judas Priest muffin.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah a lot one.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Now that is fake. I made that one up. What
about this one? Goose in It a formation where a
group of bikers all ride in a V shape, much
like how geese fly through the sky. The lead biker
is often referred to as the rumbley duckling real fake.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I like this though, I feel like it could be real.
I think it's legitimately possible.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
The bikers are the other good.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Can they only go north? Yes?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Well except that's winter, you go south?

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah? Wherever the is?

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, well don't.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I don't know. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
I you know, I really thought it was real all
right up until the rumbley duckling, but ugly duckling that was.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, that's an extra detail that we probably wouldn't hear.
Does that mean you're leaning fake?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I am leaning fake.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Okay, let's go fake.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
It is fake. I'm down up. What about the sissy
bar that's a back rest for the seat on a motorcycle.
Most of the time, people aren't using this term to
insult someone. That's just what this particular piece of gear
has come to be called, the sissy bar.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Okay, I can buy it.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, I buy that too.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
It's real.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Although I believe they're insulting people.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Now, they're just kind of acting like it's not like
it's not a bad thing. You're just a sissy, all right.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
How about the tank slapper that's a sudden and extremely
dangerous oscillation of the handlebars back and forth. At high speed,
so called because they sometimes move so violently that they
strike the gas tank. This occurs when the front wheel
loses traction, causing the bike to try and buck the
rider off. Can be caused by a problem with the
bike or by an operator error, also known simply as

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a shimmy or death wobble. That's the tank slapper.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
It's really specific, but it might have been one of
those ones where you just really laid it on thick.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
It believable, right, tank slap.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I could go either way on this one. Maybe maybe
it's real, but it's such a lie.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I think it was too much. I thought it crossed
over into this took a believable con Let's go fake. Okay,
it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Real that is in fact a real motorcycle term. We
have one more here before we get back to renegade,
and that is real or fake. The LMM A group
of bikers, often a gang or club, will harmonize songs
from the musical Hamilton will stop at a traffic light
reel or fake the LMM.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
So it's the Lynn Manuel Miranda gang.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
We could be any gang. Gotta say it's fake, any
biker group. They just when they come to a stop.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Oh okay, that's the performance they do the LM. So
these are probably like, well, well to do Brooklyn bikers.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
It could be your Southern bikers.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
You don't know, the Southern bikers who really sing Hamilton
really into that in musical theater.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
You guys said that was real, right, let's think anyone dead.
That's think not a real one. I made that one up.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Really, huh.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
They sing those on the way to get the muffins.
I feel like that's why it's part of that trip.
It's all when you're going to go stand handling and
get some muffins.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I think guy who gets mentioned on this podcast a
strange amount, Aaron Burr is is an Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I don't think it's a strange amount. What's that, It's
a perfectly average amount.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
We'll podcast talk about Aaron Burr.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
The actor. You guys bring up that. I'm always like, oh,
Aaron Burr. Of course, what's his name?

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Oh Raymond Burr?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Okay, because every time you guys say it, I go, oh,
of course, that's it's the guy who killed Hamilton.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Which maybe he was old.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Always Well, now that we've got our court ordered discussion,
of Aaron Burr out of the way. Let's take a break,
all right, let's get back to Renegade.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
But we're not done with motorcycles.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, there was going to be throughout this episode. Later
on Bob after being ca of course, Bobby hears some
crying sounds and he perks up. He walks over to
the door, which is a hole with some iron bars
blocking his escape, and he tells the crying voice talk
to me. All while we see that the professor wasn't
kidding about that tape recorder. It is actually out there recording.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
And it's huge.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
But there is an identical room across from Bobby's where
we see Gretchen Tolliver, the woman from the beginning of
the episode, crying on the floor. She's still alive. Bobby
tries to get her to talk to him, but she
simply says through tears, you don't know what he'll do,
refusing to say anything more. As we also see Silimon
moving six Killers giant vehicle into a nearby garage. Do

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you think he knew how to drive that right away
or he had to like lurch it for a bit.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I don't know. And the other question I had is
like good thing he didn't have anything in his garage
because like it wouldn't fit, because.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
This takes up any two car garage with one thing,
it is two cars. Our savvy bounty hunter does then
find a rusty door hinge, which he backs up to
and uses a scrape through the piano wire on his hands.
It seems Silliman didn't really count on his resourcefulness here.
Maybe Bobby's got a bit of a shot to get
out of this here. Meanwhile, Reno and Cheyenne have since

(46:08):
visited Bobby's motel room, where they find his stuff still
sitting there, and then they head out continue looking for
their friend. But as it turns out, Cheyenne was right
all along, and the cops are everywhere in this town.
One of them happens to pull over Reno as he
approaches the college. Rains tries to get out in front
of this encounter, and he says, good evening, sir, have
you seen a black hommer anywhere on campus? But the
cop is being a cop and he gets antagonistic, telling

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Reno get off your bike, come over here by my car,
and Reno says to the cop, I'm looking for my
bounty hunter partner and the cop just kind of grabs
him and drags him further to his car. And if
the lead roles were reversed and this where Bobby six
Killer and Reno was captured, I think Bobby would have
been shot by this cop already.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, for sure. Again, this is so weird because I
feel like if Rena Rains is such a oneted man
and looks like a person you'd put on television, the
cop knows who he is on site.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
And they're close to I think La is where he
was tried. He was a cop and ali order, so
they're close enough that like all the surrounding police communities
would know.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Him, and if it happened in La, it's a national
story on top of that.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Fortunately for Reno, Cheyenne has finally arrived and she calms
the cop down, explaining that they're in town looking for
her brother. And you know what, as a woman, I'm
so glad you wrote cops are out here questioning everyone
with this killer on the loose. The cop goes the
woman pretty and just kind of lets him go.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah, this is realistic.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
It is pretty realistic. Oh and Cheyenne does to refer
to Reno as Vince Black that's the first time that's happened.
This episode comes up a couple more times, but the
first time watching this, I'd completely forgotten I had too.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I'd forgotten and even had another name, Like obviously I
knew he was a fugitive.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
M Back at the murder compound, Bobby has finally gotten
through the piano wire and his wrists, and just in
time as he hears the door open as the Professor
has arrived. The villain rewinds his tape recorder and plays
it back, hearing Bobby yelling for the woman that we
heard crying to, you know, talk to him. Rabs a
rubber mallet that's on his desk and he hides it
behind his back, opening the door to six Killers Room.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
What an ominous entrance, right, coming with a mallet.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Bobby is feigning being exhausted though, remember he's cut through
his hands, but he's got his hands behind his back
and he's lying on the ground like he's exhausted. He
asks what time it is, and Sillimon tells him Eventually,
you'll grow to lose complete track of time, as there's
no light in here and therefore no day and no
night for you. Bobby, wisecracks, oh did you bring me
room service then, but the professor merely chuckles. He says,

(48:32):
your obnoxious sense of humor will go too. Probably at
about ten days into this, the professor asks Bobby if
he understood the instructions this morning. Were they not clear?
Six Killer says, yes, of course they were, so, Sillimon
tells them so if you understood them, that means you
just deliberately ignored them, right. And in fact, that voice
you heard it wasn't real. It was a test. There's

(48:53):
no woman there.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Always given test like a true professor.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Bobby gets up and rushes to the door. He's be
and he tells his captor, I don't believe you. There's
clearly a woman over there. The professor says, well, what
should your punishment for disobeying me be? How about no supper,
no breakfast, no lunch for a week. That's pretty fucking hardcore.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, that's like a really severe one right up top.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
He had me at no breakfast, I would have been
none killed me now even one day of no breakfast.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Bobby puts himself between Silimon and the door, and again
he's still pretending to have his hands tied behind his back.
He asks the professor what possible reason could you have
for keeping me down here? And he's met with scientific
curiosity as a reply. Bobby then makes his move. He
decides it's time to get out of here. He has
a quip. First, he says, what you want to find
out if boredom is fatal? But as soon as he says,

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as he rushes at Silimon, prepared to take down his enemy.
Will you remember that rubber mallet we mentioned earlier? Well,
the professor he remembers it because he whips it out
and bunks bobby six killer with it. Just down goes Bobby.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Which you know it would do the job.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
And if you weren't terrified for Bobby yet, Silliman gives
yet another absolutely horrifying and hilarious.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Speech, I think this is my favorite one.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
I see you found the broken hinge I left you.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
Did you presume that it was their accident there that
I didn't know about it? Let me tell you something
about my universe Bobby's six Killer. Nothing happens by accident here.
Everything is perfectly planned and executed.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
That includesively thought, you think, every bright idea, everybodied.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
A little effort to escape in every dream because as
far as your concern.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
I am got whoa normal guy?

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Stuff?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Just a conversation between two men.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Why didn't Bobby six Killer tell him this thing he
learned just recently in this episode about how the dream's
not real thing when he was like, every dream, every
geam you have any but I know my friend Reno
Rain sorry, event's black.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
And denies the very existence of dreaming.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I will also point out that it's corny, but I
really like the camera work here where the camera is
on the ground, as if we're in Bobby's position looking
up at James Cromwell, who looms over the lens and
says this speech.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Do you think we have to credit the director?

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Say?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Do you think that was his decision?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I think somebody helped him along those somebody.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Told him to do that.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
He might be better at directing shorts.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
True, it's not a high bar there.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Occasionally I am utterly surprised at how competent Renegade is done.
And then other times I'll watch Reno Rains walking down
the street saying, well, gee whiz, I sure wish I
was doing a better job something, and it's like, what,
how is this a show? That next morning, Cheyenne is
at the police station where she runs in the police

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Captain Frank, who she questions about Bobby. He's really snarky
about it all, refuses to cooperate with her or tell
her anything of value, but he does let slip about
a professor who is helping with the case. And then
he also throws in that bastard Reno rains got what
was coming to him, just.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
To totally not just thrown into the script.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Doesn't need to be here, and he then drives off
and leaves Cheyenne upon to her next move. Oh, when
he does say he also has one hundred men working
on this case from multiple jurisdictions. So how good you
even think your brother? Is Cheyenne, and she got the best.
Bobby has finally realized the situation he's in now after
the I Am God speech, and he's desperate for some

(52:36):
sort of hope. He tries reaching out to the woman
hear crying previously, asking her to tell him he's not
going crazy, but he isn't going crazy, and finally she
reveals she's real. She says to the hunk, we're going
to die here, which heay have a little more faith
in Bobby six Killer, don't be such a bummer, lady,
after all the horrible shit you've been through.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
I like that when he's yelling at her to like
do introductions, and I feel like she'd be freaked out
by when he says my name is Bobby six Killer,
because he doesn't just say Bobby.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Oh, is there a real name?

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Or are you dumb waiter? You a murder or two?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Bobby is reinvigorated at hearing her voice, and he tells
her they need to work together. He says, I'm Bobby
six Killer, that's my real name. She responds with my
name is Gretchen, which he then pieces together that this
was the previous victim of which nobody was found. She's alive,
Gretchen Tolliver Cheyenne, Having had no luck with the police,
Captain meets Reno in a nearby park where he's drinking coffee,

(53:35):
like at a Starbucks. It's kind of quaint, like it's
a nice little area.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
But he's incognito because he has like his sunglasses on.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Is hell what it is? Yeah, along with its big
black duster which makes him stand out in a crowd.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Yeah, just like regular people wear.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
She says, to Reno, the only thing she could get
out of the cop was something about a college professor, which,
as it turns out, is enough to point them in
the right direction, because Reno rains was reading a newspaper
article which a doctor Jeremy Silliman was mentioned, and instead
of going, oh, yeah, that's obviously the guy, Cheyenne goes,
NAT's a coincidence. But Reno wants to go check on

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Siliman at the campus. However, Cheyenne kind of protests again,
cops everywhere, You're gonna get caught, Reno, and so Reno goes, okay, fine,
I'll go back to the motel, hack into the campus computer,
cross check all of the enrollments, and then see if
any of the victims had Siliman as a professor. Cheyenne goes, oh,
that's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
You can't do that in a minute.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
You're an idiot.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I wish she would try to distract me. I'm like, oh,
it's your birthday again, it would work. Go give him
some more presents.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
That same tenth thing.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yeah, he starts fucking clapping, and she she's throwing tense
in the air left and right.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
She just leaves, so she can actually finish the case.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
If a Reno does say no, you're right, I can't
do that. I'm clever.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Apparently very many things.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Now we'll find out. I actually, by the end of
this episode haven't done much.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
But I'll go find the professor. Wah wah, wah, she
does those things?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Do you just make a trombone sound?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
I guess I did, didn't I. The Professor has since
set up a huge dinner on the table outside of
Bobby in Gretchen's rooms, and Bobby's standing at the door
watching him through the little window thing, and he's licking
his lips. Silman tells Bobby to entertain him and maybe
I might let you lick my plate when I'm through.
So Bobby asks, why do you do what you do
to young women, and Silman says, well, I do it

(55:27):
because I enjoy it, and the women I kill are
merely markers, a way to keep score. He goes on
to say he knows that this sounds disappointing, and he's
sure Bobby would prefer it if he were a sadistic monster.
He is who gets off on screams and thrills, but
he's not an ultimately deep down you and me, Bobby
six Killer, we're not so different.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Have you mentioned that the whole time James Carmell's doing this,
he's drinking out of a golden goblet.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
He sure is, and smacking his food. It's great if
you're that guy. You have several goblets, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Mean, goblets are one of the five things you probably
own the most.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
When Bobby huffs and protests the professor, Scott Sentiment says, oh,
come now, you kill for a living, and six Killer
angrily says, I don't kill without reason. So Sillimon says, haughtily,
I have my reasons. I'm bored, and it's a great
line read. He continues, saying he finds school and teaching easy,
so he does this as a challenge. He says, he

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stays in one place and does things in a pattern
solely to feed crumbs to the police, all while sitting
right under their noses. He says, can you believe it?
The police captain actually asked me to consult on this case.
And he at this, he lets out a real serial
killer laugh. It's almost like a guffaw, a James Cromwell guffaw.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I bet you that murders don't laugh all the time,
because in media they're laughing it up constantly. I feel
like that's not a thing, right.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yeah, murderers aren't the joker. Yeah, murderers are weird people.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah, they're like fucked up.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
He can't smile. They're like Shawn Michaels. After that one match,
he lost his smile.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
That's why he murdered all those people with his foot.
Murdered him for three seconds.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
The professor even says Bobby probably thinks he gave the
police false leads to push them away from him suspecting him.
But oh, contrere Montfrere, that's all tossed back Patton Auswalt, Eh,
because he actually gave the police subtle clues that was
him doing the killing. And by subtle he means very
wide open. But the police chief simply can't see past

(57:29):
the nose on his face. Got to cut it off
despite your face.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
And again, I would be willing to say there's never
been a serial killer that tall. Also, like I think
Kemper such Oh no, you are totally right. I don't
know if he's that tall though, I think he was,
like yeah, but even super too big. But I mean,
I feel like that would be and he got caught
quick too. Yeah, Kemper, I feel like it was just
you would because there aren't that many people that size.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah, my killer was enormous. Oh it's him, Yeah killer.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Let's see distinguishing characteristics. Biggest guy I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Also very poetic. Maybe a teacher, a professor of some farmer.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
That kind of reminds me of like twenty years ago
when Chaquila Lele was first getting ready to retire and
he was talking about how he wanted to be an
undercover cop. What I've never seen that guy before. I
don't think, why aren't you shocking?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Norm I was doing a stakeout, but I was bigger
than the car. I was in.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
A some drugs.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
By the way, do you know about the general and
how he gives cheap insurance.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
I do like the idea of him saying the phrase
dunk on crime.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
That would be in the ads they make using him
to stop.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Just don't ask for any free throws against crime.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Bobby says he gets it all now. He thinks Silliman
is keeping around a brag about everything. But the professor
rejects this and says, I don't rely on anyone else's approval.
I'm my own judge and jury. As he says this,
a red light above the door illuminates and a really
loud ringing bell alarm sounds like aggressively loud. I don't
know where you would get I don't know what a

(59:03):
saxon or what are those things called? Like an error siren.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
It would have to be at like a specific murderer store.
James Cromwell looks panicked here, as if he might have
to face a different judge and jury. Should this be
of the wrong person?

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Well, it turns out Renal Rains is here, so he
is a wrong person, Well not quite yet. No, he's dumb,
but he asks Silliman for a moment of his time
after revealing he's a bounty hunter, and the professor goes,
good lord, how quaint two in one week, But he
does allow Reno into the house, despite clearly being a
little perturbed. In the cellar, Bobby has started yelling for
Gretchen to make as much noise as possible, and he

(59:39):
grabs his dog bowl, but I guess he has for
food or water. He starts banging in the walls and door,
being violent, trying to make a lot of noise.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
It's very convincing.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
And Gretchen's not as loud. But if you were to
give her a bunch of fucking books, I guarantee she'd
just keep dropping them and make all sorts of noise.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
But no, she has her own dog bowl and she's
just kind of lightly patting the wall with going.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I was actually impressed at Ranscom's sincerity and his yelling.
He actually could see veins from thebab. Now, he really
was making me believe that his life was on the line.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
They both yell, they both screamed, but to no avail.
Silliman was right. It's a soundproof seller. As Reno upstairs
can't hear any of it. Maybe he's like me, Maybe
he's got bad hearing. I don't know, doubt it. No,
he's good at his job, which means he has good hearing.
That's part of it. His job is as a bat.
How many mosquitoes can a bat eat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
A day, or at least an.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
How many James Cromwell's gonna bat eat a day? James
promos eat a lot sixteen pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I'd love to see him give like a monologue about
eating mosquitoes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Even it's just out of a bowl with a spoon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Listen to me, Bobby six Killer. No one needs mosquitoes
like I do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Rain stells Silliman. He's looking for his partner, a six
foot three inch Native American, and the professor says, oh,
of course, Bobby six Killer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I kind of wish that he'd been like, yeah, six
foot three native American named Bobby six killer, mullet, big
ear rings, doesn't ring a bell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I don't know, even though he knows he's met with him.
At this point, the Silliman continues, we had dinner last night.
He brought over pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
What a great little lie, What a great detail he
just came up with.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I wish he had done it in true liar fashion
where he keeps oetting details. It was Papa John's. Uh
we got one pepperoni and one mushroom and poop ah shit.
I met that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
He brought over his Nintendo sixty four and we played
GoldenEye for a while and Die One. I. Then we
watched a bunch of old wrestling tapes and I was
the best at it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
This just sounds like what we did as kid.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Yeah, that sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
You don't think James Cromwell did any of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
He's digular, sure they had a great time before he
zonked him out with whatever that stuff's called, you chloroform
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah, James Cromwell was a big APA fan.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
He basically tells Reno that they had a great time
and then Bobby left. But if I do see him,
I'll tell six Killer to call you, Reno. But then
the Professor makes his fatal mistake. He says he doesn't
mean to rush Reno off, but he does have a
lecture that night and he must do a review of
his notes. He does tell the trench coat wearing man
that he loved to hear his story, as he found
six Killers to be quite colorful. And that is definitely

(01:02:13):
an adjective use to describe Bobby six Killer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Wardrobe, language, actions, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
This whole time, Bobby and Gretchen have been banging their
dog dishes and screaming, but again no avail as Reno
has left and Silman comes down the stairs angrily screaming
at them to stop all the racket. Gretchen realizes she's
fucked and she begins to sob while Bobby antagonizes the Professor,
asking him why he looks so nervous. If everything's fine,
you're telling me you're good, but you don't look good.

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Your hair's going crazy. Cromwell then shows he is a
little bit perturbed. He's no longer the soft spoken monster
that we've seen. He's in fact turning it up. James
Cromwell's eleven nervous.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
It's not the word the word.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Very angry.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
This is fun watching him lose his shit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yeah, he gets to do like anything an actor might
want to try. Over the course of this forty five minutes, he.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Is pissed and he's going to do something about Bobby's
non compliance. He goes into Gretchen's room and snatches her
by the back of the head, tossing her into Bobby's room,
and he tells them to get to know each other
and reveals why he has kept them both alive. He
says they are his insurance policy. In fact, if he's
ever caught, think of how excited the police will be
to learn that he has former captives alive. They're not dead,

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and so then he can use them as leverage. The
problem is for Bobby and Gretchen that he does need
both of them, So he says he's going to give
them twelve hours to ponder which one of them is
going to kill or exterminate. When he gets to the
end of the time limit, Gretchen and Bobby clutch each
other as the soundtrack swells, and Suliman leaves him alone
to consider their fate.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
When the James Cromwell Bobby six Killer Gretchen scenes endways
felt a little bombed. We have to go back to
Reno and Cheyenne just being like, what do we do now?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Well, gee, Chienne, I'd like to do this, Reno, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I have an actual idea.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
All the while, Cheyenne is now back at the motel.
She's clickity clacking on her brain laptop, and Reno kind
of wanders in the frame and tells her Bobby did
see doctor Silliman, so they at least do have a
bit of a small clue to go on. Rain says,
you know, I couldn't get much out of the professor
because he has a lecture that night. Well darn they.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
He weren't no teacher that night.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
I couldn't have said it better myself Tuesday, not teacher.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
And that's something that Tucker my whole day to grind
his way towards or whatever. However long it's been where
he's it's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Been a week. Well, he had to learn the orders
of the days first. That took six days.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
So you're telling me they all end in day.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
That seems a little obvious. That's confusing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
He did realize Sillimon said he has a lecture to
teach on Tuesday, but he doesn't teach on tuesdays. It
was a lie. So the two empty headed bounty hunters
realize something is amiss here, and they leap in action.
Rather than be really concerned about his potential impending death
or the death of the woman right in front of him,
Bobby sixclores instead. Reinvigorated now, he tells Gretchen that they

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just need to figure out a plan to get out
of here, but she's of course worn out and terrified,
but does perk up and asks who when Bobby six
Corse says, I think I know who that was up
there that showed up, and his response is Lorenzo Lamas
and she.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Says who, Yeah, and if she really knew it was,
she's like where. Fuck. He's not gonna figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
He's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
He's pretty but in effect bail.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
But just then Silliman comes back downstairs. He's wearing a
beanie and he asked Gretchen to come.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
To the door. Hello, kids, do you want to go
to the show tonight?

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Hello, fellow children. But he does say Gretchen, please come
to the door. It's quite polite. But then he does
end up having to threaten her because she won't come over,
and he says if you do, if you come over,
I won't hurt you. If you don't come over, I
will hurt you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
So she gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, well, you guys have to hear my legitimately awesome idea.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
It's not convoluted at all. He handcuffs her through the
door window, so she puts her hands, so she's stuck
there at the door, handcuffed, and he even gets a
little dig in it Bobby in the process. He goes, oh,
these are your cuffs, by the way, hey, But there's
good news and bad news with this. The good news
is Reno and Cheyenne know something's up with Silmon's they're
on their way to do something about it. The bad

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news is we see the police Captain Frank and the
cop who tried to harass Reno. Earlier, they are in
a car watching Reno and Cheyenne leave, and the captain
gets in on the radio and says he's in pursuit
of noted cop killer. Reno rains, and he believes, you
know what, this guy must also be the John Q.
Hammon's community college killer or whatever it is they're looking for.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Well, do you have any more bad news?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Of course, there's even more bad news now. As the
professor is filling a needle up with some sort of compound, some.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Liquid toomicide juice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Well, yeah, Bobby, he demands know what's in it, and
the professor says it's pinle dioxy necronase. And I looked
that up. I wrote it all down so I could
look it up. It's not real. Those are chemical words
for chemistry, but they are not combinable.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
That last word makes it sound almost like necromancy or flonase.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
You put up those. So that's how we revive the dead.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Pod of revives your sinuses from the dead.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Sure does? Can you guys do that stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
I can now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I don't like the salinity in my nostril.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I think I've mentioned this, but I had like no
sinus or allergy problems. Really until I moved back to Missouri,
and my my system has been all out or really
till I moved away and then moved back, it's all
been out of whack. And now if it gets really bad,
I'll musin x myself up the nose every now and then.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Nope, gotta just go with zertech d's. And you can't
just do zertech because it doesn't have the pseudo aphedrin,
which actually helps, but also because it's pseudofhedrin which all
the methads used to make meth out of, you can't
buy very much.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
So it's like their slogan, gotta get the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Clareton d was mad, they stole it from under their breath,
all right, William A pentyl dioxy necronase, he says, when
given to primates. And he took this from a lab
at the college. Apparently this community college has a primate lab.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Yeah, which is weird. And he wouldn't really know about
this because he's the what is he, the DV and
C professor.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
It's a sociology guy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Let's go one step further. He probably wouldn't bother explaining
all this to them right now in the middle of
his experiment.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
He has a very bond villain level like wanting them
to know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It wouldn't have worked that well for us though. If
he'd be like, I'm not telling you and just shot
it in there, we wouldn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
He explains that in primates this induces a temporary violent psychosis,
and then he says, and in humans a homicidal rage,
which is the same thing because we are primates. Yes,
so it's the same thing, James Cromwell. But again, he's
a sociology professor. I wouldn't expect him necessarily know this
despite his bragging.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I would absolutely expect him to know that humans are primates.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
That's a real dick at sociology majors. If you're listening
to this, we don't think you know about primates.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
If me, technically, an uneducated person, technically knows that, then
I would expect a professor to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Look at me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
I believe in study primate. I give live birth. My
hands were good, but the looms I've mastered tool usage.
The fire.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Out on the street, Reno has recognized the cop had
questioned him. He and Shine are headed to Cillamon's and
he realizes that they're tailing them. He and Cheyenne are
next to each other, him on his bike, her and
her jeep, and they agree to split and try and
get away, so they peel off in opposite directions, and
the cops quickly throw on their sireen and give chase.
Reno darts off Cheyenne and the big jeep, though cuts

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off the cops smooth like cherchs in front of him
and it's like, oh sorry, officers, didn't mean to us,
just trying to get out of the way. But Captain
Frank jumps into her jeep after blocking them, and as
Chyanne plays dumb, he threatens her. He's like, I'm gonna
bust you, but she's not out of the woods yet.
Reno got away, but the Captain is now demanding she

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take him to Reno Rain's or a buster, so she
gets as paniced to look as her little face can
scrunch up, and she slowly drives after the bounty hunter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
This whole and I know it's renegade, but the idea
of a cop being like, I'm not actually interested in
catching a serial killer who's murdered seven people, which, by
the way, I don't think that's historically very common. I mean,
I feel like that you should want to catch that
guy more than Renal Rains, who he just doesn't like
so petty.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Yeah, well, cop killer, you know, those cops take care
one another.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Except for the ones who turned in, the ones who
went bad. That's the ultimate thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Then you wind up having to watch your wife moving
in with some besweatered man. Do you guys remember that
from our last renegade trip?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
All right? Well, by now Reno has rushed his motorcycle
to Sillman's house, where Reno pulls open the garage after
yanking on it for a bit, only to find Bobby's
hum they there it is the proof.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Didn't have to look very long to find that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
It was the first place he ran to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I wish it had been kind of like poking out
of the crimes, Like you couldn't quite fit.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
It in there anyway, or like he opens the groves door,
it's just right there, and Reno's like, where is He's
looking around the same one?

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Six killer K I six K Like he would know
what a spell? I feel like he writes things in crayon.
Yeah he has to yeah, and more just symbols than anything.
A series of frightening and crude.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Markings, sometimes made of his own feces.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
The Ultimate Primate, The Ultimate Primate.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I don't know it's a motorcycle being ridden by an ape.
I mean it technically is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
But you're going to find a show that does that
at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I'm surprised I haven't already. You could see Vern driving
a motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Right, and I mean it might have happened in the
in the Clint Eastwood Duology, the every which Way, but
monkey movies we watched.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Or you know, the adorable Cory the chimp from contam Leap.
I could see her riding in a motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
They didn't steal that jeep or whatever they should have,
but they didn't. On the inside, the cellar of the
Professor has begun to inject Gretchen with the mean monkey substance,
and Bobby nobly volunteers instead. But Silliman says, if I
give that to you, Bobby, you would probably snap her
neck in an instant. By giving to Gretchen, who's again
locked up, it'll be like being trapped in a zoo

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with an angry lioness to escape. You would probably have
to kill her first.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
I love how he's jigsawn it up here. He's like,
I'm bored. I'm just gonna make some game where you
fight each other with my mean monkey juice. I mean,
I'm about to be caught and I kind of know it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
But before he can inject her, Reno has opened his
garage and that loud red light bulb starts making noise
and Cromwell has to rush in action. Meanwhile, Captain Frank
is continuing to threaten Cheyenne, saying, if you protect Reno Rains,
I'll ensure you do hard time, much like that one
big boss Man song suggests. So she tries to cut
a deal with him. If I take you to the

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real Santa Barbara Soalker, who he currently thinks is Reno Rains,
will you let Reno get away? He says, Oh, think
about it. You better keep driving.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
The other thing that I didn't really touch on that
about this is him thinking the captain thinking Renal Rains
is the serial killer. He hasn't even been there. There's
no evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
It makes no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
And I'm saying, you know, our views are complicated views
on police officers. I don't think any cops that dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Reno by now has broken into Silman's house and he's
kind of slowly walking around when he sees a set
of stairs leading down to some basement. Before he gets
too far, though, in proper renegade fashion or young hunky
strong martial artist is promptly bested by an old man
as the Professor leaps around the corner and slams a
rag over Reno's mouth, which causes him to tumble down

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the stairs to the bottom. But it does seem as
if Siliman was getting sloppy and his haste here as
Rains is able to get to his feet after a
moment and chase after the killer who's scampering out in
the garden with some big work apron on. It's a
weird look. I don't really know what his plan was.
He looks like a giant blacksmith.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Like there's two smaller old men and he's on the
shoulders of the other one under the apron that Suddenly,
Reno leaps off the balcony onto Silman, and this is
James Cromwell being tackled by Lorenzo Lamas.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
This is not a stunt double it's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
He'll have a spear at my TV like fifteen times.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Well, Katie likes to bring up Roman Reins and call
him Reno Rains. No joke, she does that all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Think of that, and yet here it is in full display. Now.
I didn't see if he punched the porch before jumping
off it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
It's assumed he did. Now. I admittedly haven't seen an
ounce of ww Wrestling in years, so I don't know
if Reno Rain or Roman Rains is better on the mic.
But he was just as bad as Lorenzo Loss.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Now I haven't watched it in three or four years.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Well, I think they made him a heel finally.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Yeah, and that's you need to do. Yeah, because that's
the thing about wrestling. And I would say the same
goes for Reno ranks, which is, if maybe you're a
little limited, just be mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
But Reno's nice, so he comes across dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Reno needs a Paul Hayman, which I guess he has
in Bobby six Killer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Yeah, he totally does. Spencer's just like somebody who won't
quit talking.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
I do agree one hundred percent. Though it's a lot
easier to enjoy a limited character if they're bad. Yeah,
you can't have it dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Actually, yeah, that's actually beyond wrestling. I mean, I think
anything even in TV shows, if you just make him
weird and bad, that works.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
After tackling Sillimon, Reno screams at him, asking where his
partner is, and then he punches a mostly unfazed professor,
who taunts him back. Refusing to answer the question. Reno
continues to punch him in the face a few more times,
which gets zero reaction out of Silimon. He just takes it,
and Silliman says, I'll tell you where your Indian friend
is and also one of the kidnapped girls. He says,

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that's provided Reno gets him a plane ticket to a
country with a no extradition tree.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Yeah, he has like this laundry. He needs to call
the Robert Forrester number and break the bad essentially and
just get all of what he needs to disappear.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Like two copies of the Imaginary Wonder Parnassis or whatever
it is. What was the movie I was missed making?

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
It is Doctor Mecgoram's Wondering Boram is the actual one,
but you you always say the other one that came
out at the same time, which is just the same name.
Basically doctor Parnassas's wonderful asses or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Colorful caramel toy or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I don't know, carmel toy. I just eat that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I don't know you played with.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Well, I was playing with it and then I accidentally
ate it because it was made of caramel.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Sillivan says he he believes he has Vince Black here cornered,
and he continues to mock him, saying, I've got you
in the palm of my hand, and maybe after getting
me all the things I want, I'll call you up, Vince,
and I'll tell you where Bobby and the girl are.
But Vince says, hey, there's just one problem. I'm not
a cop, and then he punches the professor in the

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face a bunch of times, and he says, my real
name is Renal Rains, and guess what I'm every bit
the criminal Silman is. You've seen me on the TV.
And Silman even confirms this, saying you were on in
the court case last year that big deal killing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
This sort of backs up what we were saying earlier
that like the cops should definitely recognize them if you
know citizens do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Reno says, I'm the one man you didn't want to
find you yet here I am. Rena pulls a gun
out of his pocket and puts it in the tall
man's chest, and he says, I've got nothing to lose,
so tell me where they are.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
I gotta tell you. Putting linzolamis in scenes directly one
on one with James Cromwell. That doesn't do him any favors. No, no.
When they exchange lines, it is like whoa thespian And
then the next guy it's like, oh, you got your uncle
to read with you, But you know, it just sounds
like a guy saying words.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Silman realizes I have no other option. I'm screwed here.
Maybe I can come up with a plan later, but
right now I have to go along with this gun
tony maniacs p Meanwhile, Shyanne and Captain Frank have arrived
out in front of the house and she kind of
like curb hops the jeep. It's a real awkward park
job on the jeep. She hops out, demanding to know
if her and Frank have a deal. He goes, sure,

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after Sillimon's found guilty, I'll let Reno go, but not
until then. She is pissed at this. She thought they
had a deal. She says, you're a liar, and she
takes a swing at a cop. She's never a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Already, you're in jail for what like fifteen years if
you do that hat.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
If she's not just shot randomly for the fun of it.
But he kind of catches her by the wrist and
he restrains her as police sirens rage in the background
and cop cars arrive. Sillimon has then brought Reno to
the cellar, where Gretchen lets out a scream of hope,
and he begins to take the cuffs off that bind
her the door as the Professor sees his opportunity and
rushes up the stairs to escape. But by now Seyanne

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has gotten free from Captain Frank and she sees someone coming.
She hides around the corner. She gets her chance to
beat the shit out of an old man as well,
and she does so. Kicks him in the gut, punches
him a bunch, slams him against the wall well, and
he takes every bit of it. Cromwell did not have
a stunt double. He said, fuck me up, and they did,
and it was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Look well Cromwell. On the weekends he gets an MMA fight.
It's like for fun again. I told you he's probably
crazy strong. They call him the Pretzel.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
He's like slender Man. But ye, Reno gets the door
to the cell open and Bobby tells him to run,
so he rushes off before the police can catch him.
As Cheyenne continues to manhandle the serial killer, Captain Frank
rushes in just as Reno escapes, and he quickly makes
the right decision here Finally, when that cop from earlier says, hey,
should I chase the other guy that Reno and Captain

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Frank's nah, forget him instead, read doctor Silimona's rights and
get Bobby and Gretchen some medical help.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
You know, he didn't even need to be here. If
we just come here, we could have just solve the case.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
As the rumble of Reno's hog fades into the background
and silimon is taken into custody, Chyanne embraces her brother
Bobby as he tells her she done good, She done
real good. Much later on at the court house, Bobby's
in his finest frilled jacket and bolo tie. He's sanding
next to Captain Frank, who's giving a speech to reporters,
and he says doctor Silliman as signed a confession saying

(01:20:09):
he committed murders of eight women and one man, and
he's also not going to plead insanity, so they don't
have to worry about it. Case closed.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Which, seeing the character of the whole episode, it's like
this checks out that he'd be like, yes, I will
brag about the crimes I've committed now that he's not
to have very specific, you know, things he once said.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Or he wants interviews. Captain Frank introduces Bobby to the reporters,
who then in turn introduces his sister Cheyenne. I think
he introduced someone named I have Robert six Killer. Yeah,
he gives him the polite name, mister Robert six killer. Oh,
please call me Bobby. Robert was my finely Bobby five death.

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A reporter then says to Bobby and Cheyenne, onlookers saw
say another man was president the scene, a man who
looked like the wanted criminal. Reno rains Lorenzo lamis, can
you comment on that, and Bobby says, yes, it's comment
on that. It was just my sister and me and
that's it. That's it in the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Episode, So mass murder has killed nine people. First question
at the press conference was Renal rains there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
They have their priorities straight. They watch Renegade, Brian I forgot.
They're like, can we get to hear the rent? I
forgot how popular the show was? That's it. That is
our third incursion and a renegade. I have a few
questions first and foremost, how good on a scale one
to ten was James Cromwell in this episode? What do

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you give them?

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
I think, well, obviously, like it's capped. No one can
really get a ten right in these shows we cover.
But I mean this is about as good as you
can do with like a Hammy roll and not be
deliberately hamming through the roof.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I think something you said earlier is very important, which
is he recognizes this as Renegade. Yeah, so he plays
to Renegade.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
What is a good How do you play a good
serial killer on Renegade? That's what he's asking himself.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
And he's really hard thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Yeah, I give him a nine because of it. I
think this was a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Thing he could have done it. I don't think you
could have done any.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Better, great great stuff. Of the three episodes, which is
your favorite. As a reminder, we have Wayne Newton and
the helicopter and his wife being kidnapped by the Australian
people with Breezer, I might add, and Max the guy
on meth and the hell Wheels. Then in the other
episode we had Johnny Cash as a ghost being delighted

(01:22:31):
that ice and bathrooms were in the same place, and
then we have James Cromwell as a serial killer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
It's recency biased, probably, but I just don't think you
can top this one between the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Three, I actually firmly agree, like in terms of the
whole episode, this one was the most fun.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
I wanted to say the Johnny Cash one, but I
agree it's this one. This one is wild.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
The other one's had like some really hilarious highlights, but
they also had some longer, boring stretches. This one just
felt like very very, very propulsive start to finish, and
I think James Cromwell was a huge part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeah, definitely. I thought, honestly that was going to be
a little bit of a slog to watch this one. Instead,
I was just rivetted most of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Yeah, yeah, all right, So that's gonna do it for
our coverage of Renegade. If you like what we do,
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Us will see it's coming.

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a way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Yeah.

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Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
I do like how you mentioned there's Aerosmith stuff because
it's not just the one thing at all.

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There's more on there. You might have to dig, but
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Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
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podcasts or whatever your platform is. We need those five
star reviews. They really help podcasts. I'm not going to
get a tattoo cause Spencer put the kibosh on that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I said you could necromance it. Maybe it's too soon.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
It's way too soon. So I don't really have anything
to that, so we'll say forget it. But what I
do have is the next show we're going to cover
because we were doing another round of Bootu Boys. Rewind
back to Brian. You did night Rider first, so we
need to see what you've decided to do for your
second episode to cover. And again the rules are these
have to be a show you picked that you covered

(01:24:29):
in the past, that you wanted to revisit for any reason.
What do you have?

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Well, I thought about perhaps choosing a show that I
wanted to do a critical reevaluation of since we did
kind of a goofy show last time. I picked with
night Rider. But no, it's not what I did. I
decided Renegade. We did that a long time ago. What
if we did something further back than that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
All the way back? It's California Dreams, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Because there's a mystery, or rather a dangling thread that
has existed throughout the podcast, which I've come to notice
upon my many listenings as I'm doing recaps for old
episodes for YouTube, and I mentioned this dangling thread as
recently as the first of our Silicon Valley episodes before
I knew I was doing this. And that is a

(01:25:12):
very specific California Dreams episode, season four, episode five, Fallen Idol.
And when I say the plot, you guys are like, oh, yeah,
You've talked about that five hundred times. Jake has a
chance run in with his musical idol Zane Walker. Oh yeah,
because they steal a song in Sharky's and the rocker
actually agrees to give the Dreams a listen. Unfortunately, Zay's

(01:25:33):
and tensions may not be as pure as they seem. Meanwhile,
Tony has bad luck because of a fortune cookie.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
This is great because we haven't gotten a chance to
talk about this show since we got a personal cameo
greeting from the Star.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Thing about covering California Dreams is that finally allows me
to present my crowning life achievement as brought to me
by Johnny Radical.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I don't think I've ever brought that up on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
I don't believe let's not say it out loud yet. No,
this is a good I don't want to do the
bull while recording it's perfect. We'll play it then. Johnny Radical,
super friend of the show. He's on our discord, which
you can also join if you go to our website.
Bootwoink dot com has bought us a cameo for a
Christmas I believe. Yes, it's been a hot minute because
I have a billion things I haven't done. It's amazing.

(01:26:18):
We'll play it then, so stay tuned. Now before we
get out of here, and you guys are gonna find
out the truth about Sayn Walker. I know you guys.
We need to know you guys both own all his albums.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
As I said last time, he's got two of the
last letters in the alphabet in his name ZW. I
need to clarify for those who don't understand the alphabet,
like Lorenzo Lamas, who's absolutely listening.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
We're gonna find out if all of this plays out
like it does in my head, and if Zayn Walker
has the kind of mullet he has in my imagination.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
All right, I got it. Let's get out of here
with the phone. Final thing. Pretend you are something. Lafontaine,
the guy who announced the Renegade intro. He was a
cop and good at his job, but do it about.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Yourself, so we're renegating ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Yes, Brian, you're at first his name was.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Brian Vaughan and he didn't care about his job. Instead,
he just sort of read his book and looked at
things on his phone until time ran out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with the bootoo voice theme
here since I identify as a podcaster during this as
he was a podcaster, and he just kind of was
agreeable about it. He had had a good time, but
no one really ever listened, and he was okay with that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
He was Van Lee and he occasionally did jobs adequately.
For the most part, he didn't do anything well. He
fell over

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