Ep 162 | California Dreams: "Fallen Idol"

Bright lights, big stars, and big dreams all lie ahead dear listeners, and all because Brian, Van, and Spencer are taking a trip back to the very beginning of Boob Tube Boys history and discussing another episode of California Dreams!

This time around the band recieves a bunch of fortune cookies from Sam's Uncle Tse-Tse, and for a few of them it doesn't turn out well. I mean it's nothing horrible, like no one dies in this episode or has an abortion or anything, but it's pretty uncomfortable for Tony, at least. However the racism-laden B-plot pales in comparison to the glorious A-plot which sees Jake running into his lifelong idol: rock superstar Zane Walker

The band auditions for Walker who immediately wants to show them to his producer/manager who says a bunch of stuff that's clearly intended to be about the Chuck Berry song Roll Over Beethoven and there's simply no other way to interpret that dialogue. But is Zane really looking out for the California Dreams' best interests? You'll have to listen in to find out...

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Soof dudes with attitude. Welcome to Boobtoo Boys, a television
show podcast with some friends. I'm one of those. I
am Brian Vaughan. I'm joined by a couple of people.
Van Lee's one of them.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Am I good Vibrations or laid back dudes or Boots?
I don't know what the word is.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, you might be laid back boots. Spencer good Vibrations.
Hendrix is also here.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Would you say we have attitude?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, we do. We have tude to spare. I would
say a.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Couple of Rafael's going on in here.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
It Yeah, we're not Donna Tello's. We're in the middle
of bTB rewind though.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Guy, do you guys have it in you? In fact,
I know you don't have it in you to be
Rafael material because you would never have chocolate, sauce and clamsa.
Was that what it was?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Something horrible?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It is chocolate and oysters or something. Yeah, you guys,
they're not quite Rafael material, not.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yet, gonna have started eating grosser things. We're covering California
Dreams again today for the first time since episodes one
and two six hundred years ago. And yeah, it's been
a while. Since we've all been in the same room recording.
We're doing that now though. We're very excited about it,
so it's kind of fitting that we go back to
our origin story.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, that's true. It has been a few months. Life
got in the way. A couple of terrible things happened
to me in particular, but we're okay. We're back.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Spencer, though, I understand, has had an full time.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I mean, did you guys, did you guys take the
time to I don't know, to educate yourself on anything,
or learn new skills or do anything in our in
our little layoff period, I might, I guess call it.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I you know what, I played StarCraft two.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
A little bit. You oh, as you would say, you
did take some time to refine your starcrafting.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, you know, I learned about a zer Rusher.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, that's I'll take that. How about you, Brian, did
you pick up any new hobbies?

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I've mostly just been in the desert for months.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's actually not even a lie.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Somehow was there like a book There There was a
home and then people to a whispery ghost noise, and
then I started writing my second novel.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
So I thought it would be a good time to
brush up on some British insults during that time period.
Oh yeah, I've got a couple for you, guys, and
I'm gonna throw them at you periodically in this episode.
Just keep you on your toes.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
About bloody time. It's not a chimney.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's not gonna be personal if it happens, and I
won't just use them at you guys. Will also just
call characters in Sure and uh, what's the show called again?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
We're uh saved my California.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
We'll also call characters in California Dreams that some of
these names if it comes up. But I'm just gonna
throw a few out there. Most of these you'll have
heard some of them. I don't think you will have.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Okay, And what is California Dreams if not the Downtown
Abbey of America.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, there's there's no tie in. So I just like
the things British people say, and especially especially when they're
when they're mad, because they don't know that they really
get mad. They're kind of always annoyed anyway, So when
it comes out, it's just really it's it's comedic, even
when they're insulting someone.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, like you can't see mister Bean being mean of
an email.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
He's too busy, like trying to park his car.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I do feel like their humor is always kind of
like wow, that could hurt someone's feelings, but that's just
how they are the time being. Again, no, he wouldn't
do that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
British humor. Hold on, I'm going to do this now.
I think there obviously are very good examples of British humor,
and then they're really bad ones, and really bad ones
boil British humor down to what it is at its base,
which is all that word's a little weird.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
It's why I do like that cunkly.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Mahogany and they're like, oh, that's the entirety of the joke,
and it's like that can be good if there's a
little bit more to it. But if it's just John
Clee standing there shrugging and going kunkly mahogany, that, come on,
you can do better.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I think that's like the British version of when America
in America, when we just curse or something, sure like
you can work a little harder at that, Like if
an American movie curses and has like a bikini babe
in a truck. That's it's like a British person saying
conking Mahogan.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'll tell you what it is. It's it's bitch. It's
Jesse yeah saying come yeah, bitch. That's an American. But
it's fine when he does it is. But the copycats
which have since come that don't understand. You have to
build up the nuance of Jesse saying yeah, bitch when
he performs a train.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
You don't get the payoff for Magnet's bitch unless you
spent years building it.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, he earned that one, Aaron Paul did.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
So expect some britishisms as we continue with our third
time covering California Dreams.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm going to do a few. We'll do a few,
and then i'll throw some more out. Oh okay, it'll
be kind of no, no, it'll be mixed in. I'll
do it. I don't want to take too much more
with this, but previews. Let's do a preview, hold over it,
and then I'm gonna surprise you with some yeah. Yeah,
So you guys have heard when someone's gormless, right, harmless gormless?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I feel like I have.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
But what is that the world is now with Mark Gorman.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
He's pretty much all mean the same thing, which is
an idiot. I'm more on a stupid person these That's
pretty much what these whole things are. So Gormless is
just a stupid, foolish, clueless person.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
That governs golsh or the goldless.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh this goldless, complete mahogany.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
This one. You guys know you've heard tosser, right, Oh yeah, tosser.
That's just a stupid person. Let's do one more and
then I'm going to start throwing somewhere randomly out the
rest of the way.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
In a way you'd be a tosser by throwing them out,
you know, just a different tosser, and.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Especially if I threw them out in a really douchey way.
I'm meaning tosser. This is my favorite on the list.
I'm just going to use it now. Is a bell end?
You bell end?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I've heard that. I also heard this, and I don't
know what it means.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It just says idiot.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So a bell goes like that, and I'm assuming the
end is the opening that kind of flowers out, so
you're wider than the base. Yeah, is that it?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's I don't know, but it's you're an idiot.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Maybe if you're a well end along the lines of
like a dull tool.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Sure, I guess I'm too much of a bell end
to understand it.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Let's see how many bell and are in today's California
Dreams episode.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
That's true. We know from previous Christmas Bones episodes coverage
that bells are a regulation size for santas. That's right,
So just to type it back into Bell's. So since
we last talked about California Dreams, something really important happened
that we have to address, which is our friend and fan.
I guess that seems crass though he's our friend who

(06:23):
listens to the show. Johnny Radical got a cameo from
a star of California Dreams. This was like a year ago,
last Chris, last Christmas.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
And I was going to do a bunch of stuff
with it, and I never did because that's how I work.
I get forty things and I do twenty of them. Yeah,
but the other twenty.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
No.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
But it kind of worked out because we didn't know
we were going to cover California Dreams again, that we
would be doing bTB rewind So we're going to play
the audio from this cameo. I am, in particular going
to try to hold my shit together.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Hey boop, two boys, Kelly Packard here, and I'm actually
in Mexico for the holidays at my favorite place, Flora
Farms right now. Just had a delicious breakfast. But I
just wanted to get this off to you guys. I
wanted to wish you guys in merry Christmas, especially.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
To Brian, especially to me.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Hopefully you guys have enjoyed Calvary Dreams and Baywatch, and
I'm going to check out your podcast, I promise, But
thanks for all the support and have a beautiful holiday.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Do you think she did No? No, maybe just my parts?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
How would she do?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Just Brian? There's a setting again, filter casts, filter by host.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
There's the three checkboxes. It's like Van Spencer.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Brian plays an airhorn when I'm not talking. That's awful.
So that's what happened. We got this cameo. Thank you
Johnny right, Thank you, Kelly Packard. Thank you Kelly Packard.
We hope you listened, If not listen to this one.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
What if she is listening and she's like, hell, yeah,
they're covering another one of my show.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Would you please guest on this show. We don't even
have to cover a show you've been on. We'll make
sure Brian's not there, because otherwise it'll just drool the
whole time. Well, but that might be a feature, not
a bug. I don't know yet. We'll find out. So
that is a delightful connection to what we're doing today,
which is talking about California Dreams. We're covering season four,
episode five, Fallen Idle from October fourteenth of nineteen ninety five.

(08:12):
Oh yeah, I'm ten years old. I just turned eleven.
Jake has a chance run in with his musical idol,
Zaine Walker at Sharky's. Now you guys, might you guys
being my coos and any listener remember that I've mentioned
this plot line one million times.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, this was a very formulative episode in Brian Vaughan's life.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I take it. I always remembered it. So when Jake
runs into Zayne Walker, well, Zain says he'll give the
California Dreams a listen. But guess what, his intentions might
not be as pure as they seem. Also, Tony has
some bad luck. Yeah, I's funny plot.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I'm gonna give away a bit of the episode here
and Zaine Walker bit of a cock womble.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I would have second that.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
And Zayne Walker a British guy. I guess is he
he's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I couldn't tell where he was going.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I thought maybe like South African.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
This is the height of britpop, right oas this has
to be what he's trying to do.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
This is the Neil Gallier wandering in the sharkis.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, but he's more like just Gallagher.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
It couldn't be that Julian Stone didn't necessarily prep.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Properly pull out.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I just saw it in the end credits and was like,
so that's Julian Stone. Could be that Julian Stone's not
doing a great British act.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Somebody's let old j Stone know that that's more of
like a porno sounding name.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well, he's been in some stuff, he's still acting. It
surprised me because I thought this guy was going to
be like in our first California Dreams Adventure Gus the Mechanics.
Of course, it was just like some production assistant or
like gaffer that they put on screen. I thought that's
what this guy would because it is bad for Zane Walker.
But no, he's an actor. And that's the accent he
went with.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
And maybe that's his natural accent. Nobody, nobody's okay. He
did go to England to stud but probably not acting though,
probably something else. You just went to a college there,
I'm sorry, to a university there. He went to university there,
that's how.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah. You can't do the little article there. They don't
have those, no at all, just.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Like internet news, guys, am I right, no articles. It
is just memes.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh man, incisive, that's a real burn.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Weiss was bought out. I know. I did. Used to
watch Vice News on HBO.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Sure, they were great once upon a time.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
This show, by the way, California Dreams.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Not Once upon a Time. That's a different show.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's about snow white.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah. And Jaffar is played by Sayid from Lost.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's incredible. Yeah, isn't that a good Jafar. That's a
perfect Jafar. I didn't think there was one, but he's
he'd be very good.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
No one was qualified to play Jafar.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
No, No one fucks like Jeff Farr.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Wait, that's the wrong villain, right, the wrong Disney villain.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, sure, oh boy, we if you want to know Moreada.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
You know it would be a really good Gaston is okay,
I don't know. Yeah, yes, but I was gonna say,
how do you say, is it cavill or cavill I
think he would be a good guest on Beryl chested.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, good looking dude.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
He'd have to try to be mean, though I don't
think he can do that. He just he's so gentle.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
He was I think a bad guy in that Mission
Impossible movie, wasn't he.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I didn't see that he was, or he was.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I think it was. I haven't seen that one yet.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Was he actually was?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
All right?

Speaker 3 (11:28):
He might have been trying to and then he just
didn't pull it off.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
I like those movies a lot, though he's a witcher.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, no, Notre decided he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Do he was a witcher. I've got one more suggestion
for for guest on.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
It's Richard Kind, like maybe a slightly older Gaston. Yeah
that is still just as hunky. Oh well, I goes
without Everything.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Is up City. I think it should be a couple
of people teaming up to play him. I think it
should be part Richard Kind and part Richard Karn.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Okay, now we're talking.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I'm saying it's more like the Imaginarium of Doctor Barnassis
or whatever, where it's like this Heath Ledger dies, right, Well,
they're filming that was in real life. Yeah, and so
they have to get other actors to play his character,
and they split the movie into that. So it's like
Robert Downey Junior is also Heath Ledger's character in this case.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, Richard Kind, Richard Michael B. Jordan, Michael B. Jordan,
all of them are being Charlie's then. And this is,
by the way, not Beauty in the Beast. This is
a whole different thing with guests on it.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
This is bigger than Beauty and the Beast.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, this is actually Transformers eight Cole and Richard Kind.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
He's also a robot in that.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Did you know that new your Ghost Lanthemis movie. Kinds
of Kindness is just about Richard Kin. Different Richard Kind.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Which makes sense. I want to see that.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, it's like multiplicity with Richard Kind, which you know what,
I'd watch it? Sure.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
CALIVORNI you Dreams, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
That's what we're talking about today. We're not going to
go into, like we normally do, the backstory of California
Dreams being created. How many awards, it won none, and
the cast and crew. If you want to hear us
do that episode one and a little bit episode two
of our podcast, that's where to do it. But we're
going to trust that you know the series inside and out,
or just want to hear us joke about stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Let me direct this question of Spencer because it will
not be applicable to Brian as the California Dreams.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah is I would. I would still I would right now,
Mary Kelly Packard if she wanted to.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Not that question Spencer. Oh, how many of the characters
did you actually remember?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I mean a surprising him out. I absolutely immediately was
intimately familiar with Sam. Oh yeah, I mean it's like,
you can't forget Sam.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
No one.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
You're like Sam, You're like, she's that that's I missed her.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
When I saw, you know, I remembered Sly and I
sat down and I went, I know who this is.
His name is Sly and he's Slimy. And then I
was like, I know Kelly Packard and Sam.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
You definitely remember Jake.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
But that was it.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Then I had kind of Tony for some reason. I
felt bad because I like Tony a lot, but I
had forgotten about him.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, he was the safety monitor in one of our
episodes we covered previously. Oh yeah, I remember them all.
I've seen them all before. Though it's the best show ever.
What it really is is not that it's Saved by
the Bell, but everyone's in a band instead. And the
band is not Zack Attack, the band from Saved by
the Bell that in one episode gets famous. But that's
not canon.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
No, it was a dream, right, yeah, it wasn't even real.
I loved that episode when I was like twelve.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I did too. It made me think maybe I should
be in zac atack.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Did I tell you guys that I tried very hard
to reproduce one of the songs, one of the hits
that they had no because I you know, I was
in band at the time, so I think clarinette. I
got my clarinet and I played along with a song.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
What would that sound? What would the noise?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
It was like, dud is this that time? I tried
to do a saxophone and okay, well I might be
able to do a better job of clarinet. But the
melody was doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
doo do you.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Remember, Brian, I kind of do it's ringing a bell
which was selling this.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Ding, and then someone would be saved by said bell.
M hm, oh yeah makes sense. I also did a
really good bell impersonation on one of those Day by
the bells that we recorded. I think you did well.
Those were your shows you Pis that right?

Speaker 6 (15:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
And I wanted to show you guys how a bell sounded,
and I did it and it was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
The intro is just how I remember it. It talks
about surf dudes with attitudes. You guys remember we heard
it starting our podcast. There are birds. You see a
bunch of young people action shots mixed with nineties fonts.
The squiggles always squiggly lines and shapes, just like we
sayd by the Bell. We begin the episode with the
Dreams Gang. They're hanging out at Sharky's, which is their

(15:34):
little restaurant they go to after school.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
It is not, in fact Sharky the Shark Dog, which
was on Eke the Cat. In case you guys remember that.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Spencer has face faced a a witch, a witch toward me.
He has a frame photograph of a witch from the
year four.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Where might you hear about said framed.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
If you were to go to patreon dot com, slash
but tou inc oh a bonus episode where Spencer and
I received some birthday gifts and the haunted one stare
at me right now is one of them.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Is it free?

Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's free. You can pay us if you want, Okay,
but it's totally free. And then we've actually got a
pretty good back catalog on there. We're even looser and
less professional than whatever. This is the thing about this
scene that I really like is that every character from
California Dreams, Enters, sharkis from like a different point. I
don't know how many entrances this building has, and they
all kind of just convene at the table at once.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I guess that's the opposite of a fire hazard. Yeah,
there are a lot of ways to get out.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
It seems like it could create some traffic flow issues,
though if there are that I just watch for some reason,
I won't go into it, because they don't want to
derail us anymore than we already have. But I just
watched the very first of the Bourne movies the other day.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Is it good?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I really got it ruled. So one of the things
Jason Bourne does is a spy. Automatically, even though he
doesn't remember who he is is, he automatically knows to
check for every exit every whom he goes. He would
have a tough time in the place.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
He would, he which is why Jason Bourne never went
to Sharkis in the series, which I've not seen all of,
but I've I've seen the first three and I liked them.
So that's our review of the Born series. When we
go back to a similar Genred series, California Dreams, Sam,
who we all agreed is one of the best characters.

(17:11):
She's bubbly, she's optimistic, and she tries the best for
her friends. She has some fortune cookies since specifically from China,
from her uncle Seats, who's mentioned in every episode evidently,
and these fortune cookies are known the worldwide for being very,
very accurate, which is interesting because fortune cookies are a
strictly American invention that came about from San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Not China.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I don't think so that's not what Uncle sets. Yeah,
that's not what he says.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, I believe him. I believe California Dreams.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
I also, I would say that we can probably weigh
in on how accurate the fortunes aren't. I don't think
they're that accurate. Debatable though, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Well, let's go over what everyone's fortune is. Sly, who's
the band manager in kind of a weasel. He's going
to find his one true love. That's his fortune. Hmmm.
Someone from Lorena's past will hurt her. Sam will embarrass
herself in front of someone OF's stature. Mark will get
something cool courtesy of a bluebird. And Tony has an
empty cookie. Sam explains that that means bad luck, bad fortune.

(18:11):
You are an empty vessel of a human being, no soul. Yeah,
nothing there, and Tony says, I don't believe in this
as anyone would, then immediately goes back to work at
Chirkey's and falls down very loudly. Tiffany doesn't get one.
I don't think. I don't think she gets a fortune cookie.
That's a good point, Kelly, if you're listening, if you
could let us know what happened during that scene, if
you were supposed to get a fortune cookie.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Maybe he's just cut for time, don't.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, we're really not sure. Jake does get one, though,
after saying all this is stupid. I don't believe in
any of this. He gets a fortune that says you'll
meet your inspiration, and just then a middle aged man
in a T shirt and jeans with a leather jacket,
who I mean just looking at him, you know, is
not cool enough to pull that off. He walks right by,

(18:56):
and Jake loses his shit because who is this? It's
Zane Locker. Jake has all his albums, He's one of
the greatest rock guitarists ever. Oh my god. Jake walks
up to him awkwardly and repeats Zane's name like five
or six times. Zaye does not know what to do
and walks away awkwardly until sly tells the Dreams why

(19:16):
Zaane is in town? Nobody's doing a Pacific coast.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, I read in the paper he came in for
some peace and quiet so you can write a comeback
some He hasn't had a hit and.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Over a year.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Over a year, this artist has not had a hit
in over a year. Yeah that's normal. Oh no, how
many albums are these people releasing in this in this
world here? I thought this was going to be a
thing where, having not seen it in Nears, where maybe
Zain was big in the eighties, or something, and hadn't
had a hit since then, so he's desperate. But I mean,
he was just topping the charts with this nonsense a

(19:47):
year ago.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
What do you think his last big hit was.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
I think it was Walking through Life because san.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Walker sane Walker. Yeah, I think it may have been
something along the lines of, like I steal other people's
music for my own profit.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
You've got a good question there, I mean, because it's catchy.
We can talk about that toward the end after we
don't want to spoil the plot. But I wonder if
maybe he hasn't been doing what he did here the
whole time. Has he ever written anything original?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
It could be he had that one hit Strawberry Fields.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I'm just saying something to dive into. Is he an
authentic artist? We don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, it's really hard to tell right now if he
ever was. You know, I'm having trouble.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I also really liked the idea of just like frontmen
wandering in like high school, like restaurants or whatever. This is,
like David Lee Roth, is that TGI Friday's or something?
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
No, come on, Loraina tells the band, I've gotten an
idea that you guys probably haven't ever once thought of
let's try to get Zayne, who is famous, to hear
our band, to hear the California Dreams. Everyone thinks, hey,
not a bad idea. We cut to Zayne in his
hotel room, which is really just like some condo that
he's renting or something that's huge. Zaine is finishing up

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the process of playing an acoustic tar with his knee
in the air with no strap on, into the receiver
of a home phone for his manager, which is the
best way to get a good sense of a song.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh yeah, the quality is top notch that way.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
The manager says, Babe, that song is garbage your has been.
That's really what the manager says, I wasn't exaggerating for effect.
The doorbell rings, and Zane, who is extremely famous and rich, says,
come in to whoever that might be. My point is
made immediately that he should not have done that, because
we see Slide dressed as what is I will charitably say,

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he is supposed to be an Indian guru of sorts.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
He comes in and he says, greetings, I have racism
of all sorts.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
And he did. He has a whole corn copia of
it Slide promises peace and artistic nourishment, then makes a
noise that I just put down is racist. I don't
really have a way to describe it. I don't know
what he's trying to do. The rest of the California
Dreams then barrel into this condo, this sweet dressed as
other horrible. I mean, I don't know. Theyre all supposed

(22:01):
to be some sort of like hippies that are following
Slies teachings, I guess, and they're banging tambourines, they have
like pan pipes and stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
They're no zam Fear master of the pan flute.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
He'll be coming up later.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, yeah, he's the other famous rocker which shows up
around here. No, he's supposed to be I think like
the Beatles went to their Indian gurus and found their
musical inspiration. So that slies big plan is to halfway
dress up that way because they've got like the Indian style.
But then he's glass, yeah, sunglasses and T shirt on underneath.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
It's not very convincing. And to you know, to that point,
Zaine immediately was like, well that one that said your
Zane Walker is Jake, because those are the only words
that he knows how to say. I'll note that Zayin
is wearing a shirt that says raw rags blue jeans
on it, and it's like he looks like a he's
very dad here. He's dadding it up hard. Once the

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California Dreams are forced to admit their scheme because there's
really no way around it, and also their scheme is
objectively stupid, Zaine says, well, what I could do instead
is just you could have just asked me to listen
to the tape and I would have done that, which
also is not realistic. No, it isn't. Tony then breaks
the tape, trying to hand it to zay and continuing
his bad luck streak from the Fortune Cookie.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
What does he do? I rebound this like three times
and he doesn't. It seems like it just explodes in
his hands because I don't see him do anything to it.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
No, he certainly never puts a pencil in the little wheel,
you know.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Oh he had to wind it, get it nice and talk.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
He doesn't do anything like that. But whatever the case,
it's all fucked up now. Zaine says, well, okay, the
tape's broken. I've got the simplest solution. I will attend
to your band practice at your house. You don't need
to just bring me or mail me another tape. This
is what we'll do. We cut now to the orphan
house that they all share, or whatever's going on at

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this point in the show or season four. I don't
think there's even a nod to an authority figure.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
They're just like pretense or anything. It's just like, yeah,
they're here, who cares.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
They're doing whatever they're dreaming. Once Zayne arrives, Jake starts
a little bluesy riff for everybody, and the band plays
a song about standing together through thick and thin forever
that is not as good as the Miami Connection song like.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
That agreed at all, not anywhere near it.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I will note that at this point in the show,
Jake is one hundred percent playing the guitar here. Now
he's not playing what's recorded, but he is playing the parts.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
He's actively playing the guitar and for him. You know,
we said this one hundred episode, hundred and fifty episodes,
one hundred and sixty episodes ago when we first covered
California Dreams. But a lot of shows will do that
and not even putting the effort into it. This show did,
and I will give him credit for it most of them,
although there are a few that are really bad.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I also wonder. I don't know if by this point
he actually like took more initiative to Maybe we'll have
to ask whatever his name is.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Says Kelly, She'll tell us.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Oh yeah, a bold strategy to go with the two
keyboard band too, and Michael people doing it. Yeah, it's
a weird.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
It's a weird arrangement. It's a very eighties or twent
teens in twenty twenties band alignment.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
They tell me, what does the long faced girl bring
to the band? Because she's not performing, she's over there
with Zaye. Why is she here? Why she's here.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Because she's their friend. She's not actually part of it. Well,
they tried to have her sing one time, but this
is when Jake was dating her. I may have mentioned
this in the podcast Think You did, Yeah, and she
was a terrible singer, but he didn't realize it because he,
you know, he was in love with her.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Did you see it when she when she sang bad?
Or was he too blind to I.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Couldn't see it until they played the tape back a
who's this? Uh, poor Lorena feelings hurt, but not as
herd as some people's feelings are going to get in
this episode. Let me tell you. When Jake plays the
solo of whatever this song is, he jumps off the
ledge of this room like two feet away from him
in front of Zaane. He's really trying to put on

(25:45):
the rock star performance.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
And the live audience goes yeah, they flip shit over
this song, and Zaine says, well, you guys are pretty good.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Why don't you come to a party at my little condo.
They of course say, yeah, we're gonna do this. This
is Zane Walker, Texas Ranger.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think there'll be group twots, sir. I hope so
I'm in Realistically there would be.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Sane Walker's party. Yeah, there would be. I mean, no
Gallagher brother would have a party without it.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, not even the one that pretends to be gallaghery.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, not even Gallagher two's party at the Zane Walker party.
Poor Sam. She's gone around talking to everybody, all these celebs,
and she says, I was supposed to embarrass myself in
front of someone whos stature and I didn't. Well she
thinks that, but then Tiffany tells her, you've had spinish
in your teeth the whole time.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Ah, No, Yeah, TMZ's going to be all over this.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I know it's kind of retroactive embarrassment, though it's not
the same thing. Agreed, You're kind of protected from the
worst of it if you find out afterwards.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, you don't have that hot feeling of embarrassment in
the moment.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's just not the same.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Sly found his true love, which is twenty dollars A
lying on the ground.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Also checks out, and I don't know if that quite works.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
No, I'm with you in that it doesn't work for
the fortune. But I do think this guy money.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
He does love money, but we've seen in other episodes
he more loves the idea of women.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
And he did try his luck with the first woman
he saw after his fortune. It didn't work out, So
the money, I guess is a safer bed for him.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
She killed him, it really is.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
She did give him a good heart slap in the cafeteria.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Zaane, in this party in front of everyone, toasts the
California dreams and says, these guys are going straight to
the top. Seems like a I don't want to give
anything away, an incriminating move in front of all these
people to do that, to mention this other band he's
been working with.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Also, what he was like, this is my party I'm
throwing in already. You guys can come tag along, but
now it's their party.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, And then he immediately pulls a Lisa from the
room and says, everyone leave. Now, let's all go outside
all at once. We'll have some cake.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I do like too that I and I realized there's
no point to tear down the realism here. But I
do like how this is all from him having heard
that one like two minute song that they played, and
he's just gonna go out in a limb for him now.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
And mostly they've bothered the shit out of him. And
that song, we should say, is tear terrible, the one
that he played before. That sound the Dreams played that
sounds like it's from the past but not. It just
is awful. Zaane holds the Dreams back as the everyone
else leaves the party and says, hey, my manager wants
to hear you guys play the guy that I usually
play acoustic guitar over the phone for he's here now. Yeah, Well,

(28:17):
he wants to see you guys. And while the California
Games don't have their equipment, Zaane says, you guys can
play my awesome stuff, which is Jake's dream. He's always
wanted to play his idol's guitar, which I was thinking about.
I would not want to play the guitar of anyone
that I liked. I would want to play my own
that I am comfortable playing if I had to play
it in front of them.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Also, don't worry, you can play my guitar, okay, and
the bass are two keyboards.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, and the drums all the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Every eight microphones like what? Okay?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Nope, because it doesn't matter. Jake has to play this
newest and best song, which means that the rest of
the band just doesn't do anything longer. It's just Jake
and Mark and Mark's just doing harmonies here, and let's
let's hear a little bit of this. This is the
newest and greatest song the California Dreams have that. Jake has.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Another turning point.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I thought that Cash.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Big Stars, Big Dreams.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
So that is not the green Day high school graduation song.
It is, in fact Jake playing the start of that.
But let's hear a little of the chorus too, the
big hook I.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
Had too much to dream last night? He didn't the
load of me. It's so different.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
The light just tell a little too much to dream.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I'm all fucked up on dreams tonight. Okay, this is
really weird. We have a band, Red Dress, that does
music STUF for the podcast, and Johnny who does that,
who writes the songs for that band, sent me a
clip of something he was working on earlier to day.
He said he'd been in California for a while and
he learned something, so he sent me this. And now

(30:11):
I'm starting to wonder about Johnny.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
B B.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Big Stars, big treas.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
This time?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Ain wat see where was I going?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I left you? What did I think I was gone
to you? I had too much dream last night? Okay,
so that sounds a lot like this song too.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Pretty similar.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Maybe he did mention he was hanging out with a
lot of high schools udents, which, you know what, I
should have thought that part was weird too.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Shouldn't it be too much to California dream tonight? I'm
just saying.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Someone should do a background part that does that. Mark's
just fucking sitting there.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's a good point. So while he's doing too much
to dream, yeah here too much to California dream.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, he just throws or you you sample that Doctor
Dray song it goes California, you know back there, the
one Chris Barboa always wanted to play as my theme song.
That exactly was because you know, from California and all that. Anyway,
so this is the song which it seems that our
our house band is ripped off. Hopefully no one else
will do that. Yeah, Green Day Zane says, well, this

(31:39):
song rules. It's like the best song essentially. My manager
loves it too. Just a couple of improvements and will
be good to go. Jake is overjoyed by this.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
This is his guy. The man is telling him, you
did good son.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's all all he's ever wanted.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
You did dream too much?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Do you feel like Jake should have already seen something
coming at this point? Like it's a little too easy,
isn't it. Shouldn't he even be questioning this?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
He should he should wonder why this guy is so eager.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, do you think maybe we could say Jake as
dapt as a bush?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I think we could? You know now that you seemed.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Like you were gonna say it, and I just wanted
to beat each of the punch.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's fine. A British band popular at this time.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
That's very true.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
It's all tying together. Beat.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
It was a Michael Jackson song and you said beat
but not it.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Huh, that's a song that is also music.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Trombones exist, wow wow right, because you do the pool thing, that's.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
A pole thing because Lanky Kong plays one and in
Donkey Kong's sixty four, everybody else like coconuts. Well, no,
that's that's stupid.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well, Diddy Kong has a peanut gun.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
He has a peanut gun, and that rules. Everybody has
a gun in an instrument, and that.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
When the apes learn to make guns, were fucked. That's
all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
You know what, everybody in America has a gun. Can
we at least give them an instrument to make it,
to balance out the violence with a bit of artistry.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, they want in each hand.

Speaker 8 (33:10):
If you don't get off my porch right now, I'm
in a fight, But hold on, I have to process
my emotions before I act rashly. I didn't really want
the oboe, but it really speaks to my soul when
they hand it out an instrument along with my AK
forty seven.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
So wait in your scenario here, yet the government does
all this, They handle out a random gun an instrument. Oh,
you're saying random.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I thought it'd be like a sorting hat situation where
you put something on and then it says Griffin d'Or,
which means you get an Obo or whatever, and then
it grinds on your head.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I do like the idea also of this.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Funct your head, Brian, of this gun nut being excited
about his sorting as well at Hogart.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Oh, you know, I never saw myself as a hufflepuff,
but here we are.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
This is also a really good pairing too, to think
of a guy in there. It exists out there somewhere
a really big time conservative loves is guns and also
is a big Obo fan.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, and also vary into Harry Potter. You know, I
never really read the series till I'll friend about the
offer's views. Oh no, it's that kind of hair.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
How it opened it up for a whole new, whole
new generation again.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know what it has closed it because I don't
give a shit about Harry Potter anymore.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Like you could say that what did God closed the
door and opened a window or something. The window was
opened for that group and our door has been closed.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Is there a pie on the window sill?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
God didn't make a pie.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I don't think that that that people they wouldn't want to.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Pay we were talking about Father knows best, there'd be
a pie on the windows, that's true, or the Andy
Griffiths show for that matter. This pie, that's the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I can't decide I would like pie or not, like
I imagine true.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Oh, they love fucking pie.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
It seems like a thing that they could get as
long as.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's not some sinner's pie with spice in it.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Or we'll have to get a conservative and feed them
a pie and see how it goes.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
It's just like an apple pie, but not the kind
the serpent offered.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Also, we don't want to talk to you about your
views or here we have to say too. We just
gonna give you some pie and see how you react.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
What are your thoughts on Obos?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Our religion is a very specific one.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Which house do you think you're gonna be in?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
It's really a Harry Potter apple pie Obo based religion.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
This is a really good idea we've got going right here.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Back in California Dreams, which is a stupid show from
my childhood that I feel warmly about. For some reason,
Lorena is digging through a box of pasted items to
see what might hurt her from her past. Seems like
she's really courting disaster here.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
It seems to me like the Riders went, let's get
this over.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
With, like they did with Slygh finding twenty bucks. We
forgot we wrote that. In Make Him Find Money, Lorena
drops a bust of her grandma on her foot, or
a bust her grandma made who cares anyway, That wraps
her up. Tony laughs heartily about this, and then also
drops something on his foot Mark who's been blessed by
a bluebird. He laughs, but it's fine. Sam says, I

(35:58):
caution you against such shot. In Fluid, Jake Popson and says,
I'm done with the song now. Oh good. Now Zane
will love me forever and adopt me as the son
that he never had, so I can have the parents
I never had. That's the subtext. And also now I'll
be cooler than Tommy Keating. He's thinking that too. Oh,
I don't know about that though, Yeah, he did. Dead

(36:20):
Man's curve is exactly cool Man cool Man's curve. Now
the guy's still alive, he's just cool.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Well that's better. But is he rude?

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, he's really rude.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Really so he's a real Rafael, Yeah like us, Yeah,
he is a Raphael.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I'd like to say that when Tony laughed at the
urn or whatever it was, when it hit Lorena and
Tony laughed at it very like you said, heartily. That
actually did make me laugh just seeing Tony's joy.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
He's a joyous guy.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
He's very bubbly.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
It's why when he and Sam dated it kind of
made sense. Sure, we're both so happy, Go lucky. The
California Dreams with the Jake's song in tow the finished
you can be My dreams are too big. The band
goes over to Zane's rental condo, but it's empty and
a cleaning woman is there.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Because then we wouldn't know what was happening. Now I
didn't have the cleaning woman to provide the exposition.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
We would at least have the studio audience going.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh, I didn't know that Roda was in this show, don't.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
You be smirch of Roda.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
She was a little sassy.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
She has a bandana too, which is a Rota quality.
Rooda Junior tells the kids that Zane is gone and
funk off. I have work to do. I'm barely paid
anything for this. I have kids to put through college.
Excuse me, kids, I need some rocking with my mouff

(37:42):
and now to finish. Shot fucker, what's your free music jam?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Here's the new overnight hit by Sane Walker, too Much
to Dream?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
What not? What the mouck? Big stalls, big treat what okay?
So objectively, the California Dreams version is much better. Later
is close.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yes, that guy doesn't even He sounds like he's just
kidding when he sings, even just like his vocal inflection
is like, it's kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
The music sounds like it's getting to open, like a
more the more you know, special on like teen pregnancy,
like the versus the acoustic guitars. It's like some sparkling
eighties Cassio thing.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I know he made it way worse.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
He really did. He ruined it.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Definitely sounds like it was written by some bell end.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I still say he's a cock womble. If therever was one.
I've never known anyone to be more of a cock
womble than Zaane Walker.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
To me, this takes away all the potential that Zaane
Walker's own manager said this song had. The manager said
this about this song. It's number one with a bullet.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
It's Rollover Beethoven, Elvis, eat your heart out, Eat Shit Elvis.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I do think that anytime anybody's looking for a top
forty modern pop pits that they're like Beethoven Elvis. These
are who we're sighting.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Which what is that Rollover Beethoven one? What is that song?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Like? I know it, but I don't that he mentioned,
Oh I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
I don't. I thought he was just saying, like you're
not good enough.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
It was like, I think an Elvis song. Maybe let me,
let's pull it up, let's play it.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Okay, Yeah, I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
But it's called roll Over Beethoven. I know I've heard this,
but I.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
So he's referencing. Maybe he's referencing the song. I thought
he was just saying, like Beethoven's not good enough?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, or maybe geezjee'z Beethoven. That was hot. Roll Over
I need some space.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, roll Over Beethoven. Oh that's the Beatles, Oh wait
and Chuck Berry. Wow, which do we want to hear?
I absolutely had no idea.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I guess Chuck Barry must have written it. Then let's
do that one.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Okay, So this one's.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
It's this song?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Okay, all right, let's skip ahead to the main part.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Beethoven and I gotta.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Hear it again, roll over Beethoven.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
So this makes even less sense now that he was
referencing this song.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
It was like, it's so good.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I don't think they were referencing this. I think that's
an accident. That could be I think they were. I
think they say that. Well one that he says the
Elvis thing? Who would reference another song in the Elvis thing?
Or the writing could be bad.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, that's most likely the outcome. And I'm glad we
had this because there's really not much else that we
could have discussed in any kind of What do you
think about this fashion in this episode?

Speaker 1 (40:19):
No, there really isn't. This show doesn't prompt a lot
of bait.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
That's not not something it does.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Let's hear the clip again. See how he says it exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's number one with a bullet. It's roll over Beethoven,
Elvis Eat your Heart Out. That's totally touching on that song.
I don't think so, I take it in. Why roll over?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
What does that have to do with it?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
That's a common phrase, that's why that song's titled that.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, yeah, but no one uses that in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
They don't do any of this stuff. Why is he
talking about?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
He's touching on the song.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Kelly, If you're listening to this right now and you
still know anybody from the writer's room of California dreams
because they're out there.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Probably like Aaron Sorkin, this is a great bootobe boy
debate that will go down in the animals of history.
We're going to always look back at this and be like, well,
I still see it my way, Johnny Radical, you still
see it your way? You you get you to.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Get on this board right now and you you tell
what you think. Yeah, you think if he's saying he's
mentioning the rollover Beethoven song, or he's just saying.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Rollover ba Beethoven.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, in your dirty grave with your one ear? Wait,
is that right?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
No, that's ben go whate.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
That's I mean the ear might be gone by now.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I don't think there's any fleshy parts left.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
You know, something interesting is they're still actually learning what
killed Beethoven to this day. Have you guys read these
these stories about they've got his hair and they're analyzing it,
and they're finding more and more out I don't really
know exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
What, but syphilis or something like that.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
They're getting something about. They think something about mercury poisoning
or something I don't know it or something.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, because they never really knew what exactly happened to
the guy. He just suddenly was all kinds of health alements.
He went deaf. Of course, you know famous link toward
the end of his life.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I said it was soliary.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
I thought it was an ultron did it?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well? He did come about in the age of ultron,
so that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I did not expect so much Beethoven.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
To oh, I expected zero anyway, roll over Beethoven.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
In Awquitine Hunger for Us. I really enjoy that meat.
Wad pronounces it Beethoven Beethoven. Okay, so more stuff goes
on in this show. I guess Cherarchy's Jake is convinced
that Zayne's doing the right thing here. There must be
a reason he wholesale stole the song I wrote and
made it worse and then got money from it. The
entire rest of his friend group and band says, no,

(42:36):
Zayane is an asshole, rich person who stole your thing.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, someone says, just because he's a famous person doesn't
mean he's a good personally.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
My favorite line in the whole show made me laugh
at that, like, just because he's famous doesn't mean he's.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Good, which sounds so reductive and easy as to be, like,
we don't even need this, But again, in our current culture,
I would like that to be a thought that people
would revisit.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
True, And Jake refutes it. He says, no, no way,
there's got it.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I'm an idiot.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
There's an explanation for this on I gotta go find
a payphone. No, no rock star has ever done anything bad.
This is this is fine.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I need a quarter tony while this payphone shit's going on.
He is electrocuted and falls off the roof of Sharkys
into some bushes while trying to fix the restaurant's sign,
which seems seems like this fortune cookie is out for
blood like Final Destination style.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
He was paralyzed from the waist down from there on.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
The rest of the series, Like Hodgens and Bones, he
was in a wheelchair the final few.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Seasons, Hodgens is filthy rich oh Man Jake returns from
the payphone and says, hey, look, Zane's holding a press conference.
He's surely going to give us all the credit when
he does this press conference. That's what he's holding it for. Duh.
That's why people hold press conference to give credit to
other people.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
After you release this song first claiming it's yours and
then you said, just king it was not mine.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Celebrities and wealthy people are really big on giving credit
to others too. It really helps their brand brand. I
hate the world. At the press conference for Zane Walker,
the California Dreams arrive. They're prepared for Zaye to see
what he says. It looks like a courtroom or something.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Can we describe this press conference setting.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
It's not where you would hold a press conference, and
what is this press conference?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
It looks like seeing an artist have a press conference.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Now it looks like where Wingshauser had to defend himself
against normad in Champagne and Bowler.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Pretty accurate actually, which also wasn't a real court room.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
The day we're recording Wingshauser's birthday was not too long.
It's like a couple of days ago. Oh happy, he's
still going strong.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Good for him, he's wings living right. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I'd love to call him and ask him howser doing
in this courtroom specifically designed for our music press conferences.
Mark who believes he has the best luck in the world.
He's got a cam corder in there, which is probably
really expensive at this time, and he's not He's not
using this to catch Zaye in a lie, which you
might think, or to prove Jake's case. He's using it

(45:04):
to catch Tony falling down while Tony's in his bad
luck era.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
He says he's going to send the video to Wacky Videos,
which obviously this is talking about like America's Funny Stone Videos.
But Wacky Videos was the other one one with Dave Coolier, Right,
you guys remember that one where he would do the Jackalobe.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Because they had America's funniestone Videos. The Bob Sackett went
and they had like America's Best home Videos.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
No, I think it was called America's stupidest people. Maybe
something aggressively mean like that. And yeah, it was Dave
Coolier doing voices the whole time. And also, do you
guys remember America's Funny Stone videos when Bob Sackett.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Would do the voices.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
How dumb was that? And I loved it as a kid.
It was like the most popular show. Yeah, oh yeah,
everybody loved it.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
It was the biggest precursor to us becoming a attention
spanless YouTube country that I've ever seen. That's true when
you really think.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Back on the same concept.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
So Mark has this camcorder and lightning strikes outside I
to signify that Mark is in fact tempting Uncle Tetsee's
gods to strike him down for his act of hubris.
Mark trayes to film Tony tripping over a cable on
the ground, but Tony catches his balance. Uh oh, the
tables may be turning. A member of the restaurant staff
walks by. He's got two cakes and he almost falls.

(46:19):
Holy shit, he caught those cakes. Yeah, this was impressive.
It was really good. Nice when cakes. When I say
he's got two cakes, I don't mean I don't mean
the backside.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
No, he's got a cake in a hand.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, one cake in each hand is worth two in
the bush or whatever. This guy elicits a laugh from
Mark at nearly falling, and he gets mad, and the
cake guy says, head Cheese don't like being laughed at
to Mark, that's what he says.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I'm glad you wrote that down, because I wrote down
head Cheese thinking that I just didn't hear that.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
That's what I listened. A few times.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
He's referring to himself as head Cheese. Yeah, he says,
I'm head Cheese me no, like I.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Guess he's a member of the Al Snow Steve Blackman
tag team head Cheese or he's the head Cheese. I
don't know. But he sandwiches those cakes on Mark's little head.
Oh no, more good luck for you from the Bluebird Mark.
Oh no. Tony is now freed from his curse, and
he does a little dance to celebrate. But Sam says, Tony,
cool it. You don't want God to strike you down again.

(47:21):
Just then, Zane Walker walks in man his Wiener's hard,
and his confidence is renewed. He has a babe on
each arm when he walks in. Presumably they've all just
had some sort of too much to dream last night,
and Jake confronts them, says, Zane, what the hell? And
I guess I can just walk up to you. I'm
confused at your level of fames. Ah, how fig miss

(47:42):
are you?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
You do have a press conference, so you clearly are famous.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Zane kind of silent treatments him, and Jake realizes, right then,
Saane's going to be a dick about this. Zine says,
I like being a star. You know I'm going to
cleep with that. This song is only a heat cools off.
I sign it. Oh, I'm signing Walker, he loves. Jake says, look,
you're better than this man and saying says I am.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Not a real cock wobbler.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
He goes to a podium that has no fewer than
twenty five microphones at it, and then Boastfly says, I
feel great about this my new song Rules that I
wrote and no one else did.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
He cackles yeah a little bit, and Jake tells his
friends he says, it's not my losing my song that hurts.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
It's losing my idol. And as a person, as we're
all creative people, no, it would be losing the song that.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Yeah, well, as Jake says, confidently, I can write one
of those every day. Yeah, I did, Like I don't,
I don't care. I got more of those coming.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
I did not at the scream when Jake said that,
he said, yeah, Jake, that's right. No one can fuck
with your music and take it down and ruin it forever.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
The thing about Jake is like what he did lose,
you can't replace.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
That gone forever.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, all those childhood memories tarnished by Zane Walker's theft
and probably calm based on how he's walking in here.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I think this was the episode of TV that helped
us coin the phrase as a society, never meet your heroes.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
And this episode, like it or not, this has affected
my worldview probably as much as I remember it, as
often as I mention it. So that's it. That's We're
done here with California Dreams for now.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I actually thought when he went up to the microphone
that he was going to have a change of heart
and admit it.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
So I like that.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I was happy that the episode actually went through with
that and made him just a.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Dick saved by the Bell. Would have never done that, No, he.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Would have learned his lesson at the last minute and
been like my friend.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Jake precisely what I wrote down. I was like, holy shit,
this show did that. It has earned my respect because
of it. This was a breezy half hour of TV.
I had fun with this.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I think we've kind of had fun with the California.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Absolutely, I would take this Oversaved by the Bell a
day I would do.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
And I put that down. I've had more fun watching it.
I think it's it's a little less formulaic in some ways,
although I mean it still is. But this is an
episode that literally cuts from Jake going I've lost my
idol to the fucking theme song and the credits.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
It was a real nut punch to have the end
of the episode walk out the outro with too Much
to Dream.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, and then right away you're like serf dude.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So I can't get over how bad his version. It
is awful.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I love how shitty everything about Zaye Walker is. You
know what, Zane Walker can't pull off a leather jacket,
but who can. We talked about this back on I
think episode two, and we discovered it's very hard to do.
So I'm gonna throw a few names out there. If
you guys have any ideas, we'll see. So the first
one I have is zam Fear, master of the pan flute.
Can he wear a leather jacket?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Absolutely? I think he can. But he could not get
on the motorcycle. Okay, but I think if he's walking around,
he's got whips out that pan flute. He's like, I've
sold more records than the Beatles wearing a leather jacket. Okay,
because he has sold more records in the Beatles.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
We'll have to check on that. The second name I
have here is Barth.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I'd be too wet.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah, I don't think it would be good for the.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Like shrink and work the leather, bog him down.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Well, I just don't see it. I don't feel like
he that's not that's not Barth.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
We don't mustache wear a leather jacket.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
No, let's see. We could debate that.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Do we think he's more of a jean jacket Yeah? Absolutely,
he's around he's around type.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Okay, okay, I think we're right about this one. The
next one I have for you guys is Richard Nixon.
Could could he wear a leather jacket?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Maybe? It depends on what he was doing. But I
think I think I'm not.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
You think he's putting some ketchup on some eggs. Yeah,
his leather jacket. You taught us that.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
That I've forgotten all about it, But yeah, you're right.
I did think that Father is a random fact to it.
I must have pulled out somewhere on the internet.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
You knew all about what show?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
What show is that father knows best?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Robert Young? Could he wear a leather jacket?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
No, he could wear a sweater, just not.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, not the right temperament and not the right era.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
No was leather around then, No, they hadn't intended cows yet.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Even they had like cowboy leather. And then it stopped
for forty years during the mid nineteen hundreds, and then
it came back in the seventies.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
As cool guy leather, fawn's leather.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
People were putting it in their cars and on their bodies.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yes, Godzilla, could he pull it off?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Too big?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
You'd need too many cows, too big?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
I would like to see it, though, and I think
it could happen, But yeah, we'll never know.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
And he's got a really big cigarette. He's Japanese. They
all smoke.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Kristen Stewart. Yeah, I thought so too, and randomly she
popped in my head as someone that could, so I
put her down to see if that was true. You guys,
she's immediately.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Back, not scared of bold statements like that.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
Either.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Don't do it, Garfield, I think he has I would
like it.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I believe they're decals of him wearing a leather jacket
and saying something like.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Does he have sun too? Because I could see that.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Okay, are you a beanie?

Speaker 8 (52:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I'm all for this, would be done.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
What about Andrew Garfield?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Oh, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I hope not. I don't think Harsh doesn't have the
tough little too proper. Yeah, he's it seems like a
nice guy, but I just he's a little too pretty.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
He could push down the James Dean.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I could totally see it. They have similar features, sure,
but he's too dorky with it. He's too proper issues.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, and he's busy with Adam Driver in Japan trying
to bring Christianity over there. Is that a thing in
the movie Silence Okay Good, which is a pretty good
movie but also kind of you have to be wanting
to watch three hours of not really anything going on.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Sometimes I can do that.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Liam Neeson's in it, like now, it's a Martin Scorsese
movie from like five years ago.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Somehow I didn't hear about that one.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, I've got another one for you guys. It's Michael Madson.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I feel like, Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
And I think at any stage of his career, weirdly,
even as an old.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Guy, even as like a Bud from Kill Bill, Yeah,
he could do it.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
He'd He'll be wearing it like a Krusty Brown one.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
I feel like prime Michael Madson would just be like, Wow,
yeah that belongs Reservoir.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Dogs, Michael mads Free Willie, Michael Madsen.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
That whales over him. It gets the jacket wet, doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I don't even care. Michelle Obama probably right, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
You boy, but it would be the tan suit all
over again.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I just don't want to bet against her. I feel
like I feel like she can make it work.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I think she could do it. But Fox News would
ship their pants and make it. Would not would all
of a sudden be like they're butchering cows for Jack
now they care?

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Oh Man, Danny DeVito.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, Yeah, I do think so. Because he's he's so
goofified and in my culture, I think I think he
can get away that anything wants.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
He is a very confident yeah, performer.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
It's not the image is not welcome in my head.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I just I think fifteen years ago before he became
what he is in pop culture. No, but I think
now that he is firmly cemented after it's always sunny
and all that.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
I think, Yes, I'm gonna say, if he is willing
to prove it to me, I will I will consider it.
We'll need to get him in here and have him try.
I would love that, and then I will tell him
I think I can do that.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Dawn, I love that Danny DeVito got that other career
arc so that like younger people know who he is. Sure,
that's cool. Also, like he's the Lorax if I were
casting the Little Caesar's guy. Yeah, Danny Veal, Yeah, yeah,
he's one man. He's the man, and he's a leather
jacket and toga. I have one more for you, guys.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Huh car oh yeah from Stretch one round. Yeah, well
you know they have guys is.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
A leather jacket. They're called bras for cars you know
those go on women's boobs.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Well you see more in front of No, that's the Brons.
Which do you like better? I think I like the
bro is better. It's so much better, so much easier
to market. But yeah, those bras for cars, you could
make that leather, which I think they often are, and
it's leather jacket for car.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I think we need to get these in production, maybe
with the boot too Boys logo or something on it.
I'm not sure. If you want to see the boot
Too Boy's logo, you can go to bootoo ink dot com.
Van you're on blue sky as ink.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Right, Yeah, you can see the little sheep eyes staring
at you. Check it out blue sky at bootoo ink
dot besky dot social, dot biz or whatever they make
all the year, and they.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Got to fix that. I'm a loud guitar Brian dot whatever.
I've talked about Steven Tyler and wrestling on there or
two of my passions. Spencer is going to be on somewhere.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
To be determined. Yeah, stay tuned for that one. It's
gonna be a big reveal.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Silver hat Steve.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, well, well Golden that Nick is dead.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
We know that.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I was thinking it'd just be just be Spencer Hendricks.
That's it seems like I'll be honest and you.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
That one, what of just Spencer? If just just Spencer,
the very first guy, I hope. So yeah, we'll see,
we'll see if my marketing team can approve that one.
Steve Buscemi leather jacket or not.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah, yeah, again, I'm not going to bet against the guy.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Nothing's ever stopped that fucker. I love him. Next week
we're gonna be talking about a totally different episode of television.
I believe that we've been doing bTB rewind But what's that?
Do I hear Santa's slave van? Do you want to
tell us what we're talking about? Next week?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
We're talking about the nineteen nineties movie featuring Bill Goldberg
where he plays Santa, whose sleigh is led by a
giant beast. Elk, No, we're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
We could no jackhammers then, And what we're watching.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
A few jackhammers and we're watching.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
What do we do normally around the summer year?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Look, our schedule has been messed up. We're hashing it out.
We'll get it all sorted out. But next week is
going to be the week of Christmas. It's a holiday week,
and every year for the holiday we do something special
where we take a look back at old shows we've
already covered.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
We don't all have time to pick a show.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
We don't, so we're just gonna do one and guess
how good.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
We can't pick between. There can't just be one show
we'd rather cover during Christmas than any other.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Show, one show that exemplifies Christmas for Boop two Boys
that stands about of all others.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Not one show we're all coming to love more than
any other. Hear me out, Bones, Well, god damnit, he
did it.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
He picked the one correct show.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Or doing Bones. We're gonna do it again. We've done
it every Christmas for the last couple of years thanks
to Brian. And guess what, I get to take over
the title of Bones Supreme Hero of the Boot two
Boys again because I'll be hosting. Yeah, I now have
three Bones episodes to Brian's two.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I'll get you ye.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Spencer's gonna it was gonna be his year this year,
but it didn't work.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
About the one? Right, I did? I did one? Didn't
I know you haven't done it, but I thought I
did one.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
You haven't done one? Yet no Bones, You're going to
have to next year.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
I really thought I did a holiday one, but I
guess I just felt like we all did it.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
We all did do it together. I mean true.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
You know what, I relinquished the title of super Fan
Bones Supreme being to say we all have that title.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
We are all bones.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
We all got a little bones in us.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So stay tuned next week for Bones. It's a Christmas episode.
It is season one, episode nine nine, The Man in
the Fallout Shelter. Listeners out there, you guys need to
go watch season one episode nine, The Man in the
Fallout Shelter so you can follow along. But if you
don't still show up, I'll talk about it. I'll tell
you what happens. Hodgens is there.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
And since Spencer and I have seen much less of
the show than Van, we're finding out, sort of in
reverse chronology, certain things.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
This one was interesting to me, Rich and lower. We
saw so much deeper into the show, and this one
some things were getting revealed. I already knew that, Yeah,
I knew this.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Why are you telling me this? Bones?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Facts about personal lives of characters are being revealed. Lesser
special effects budgets are being revealed a lot of things,
and next week is going to be very exciting. And
I mean this very legitimately one of my favorite things
about the holiday season.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, it's bones.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
It's talking about bones with you guys on this podcast.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I think you'd have to be a real knobhead not
to like it. I knew we were running out of
time and I had to fit one morning.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
You cuncled that mahogany right away.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
We'll see you next week at Wankers brought lots, big stores,
big dreams.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Bad lights, big stars, big dreams. This time.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
It was it seems.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
Where was I going when I left you? What did
I think I was gone? I had too much to dream?
Least he I didn't know what I mean. It's a

(01:00:07):
different thirty Land.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Was telling a little too much to dream?

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
Hello, little too much to dream?

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Too high, too fast, too far, No one could catch
a falling stone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Where was I going when I left you? What did
I think I was going?

Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
Or too?

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
I had too much to dream last night?

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
He not didn't know word. I'm mean, it's all different.
Thing that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
Just tell a little too much to dream.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I had a little too much to his dream.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Hell, a little too much