218-Lessons in Chemistry

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Delainey, I'm Sydney, and this is book cult Today.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
We're talking about Lessons in Chemistry by Bonnie Garmis.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I got her name, right, didn't I? You did nice?
And to celebrate women in stem I guess just one
singular woman, one way, there's maybe one point five. Anyways,
I'm drinking blackberries. You know these izzy drinks.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh yeah, I was wondering what that was.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I got one of these. They have classic no fat.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Wow. I was worried about the fat.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I well, can't eat fat really because my issues right now.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
But yeah, makes sense. I never thought about it.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I only look at fat content right now.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
So what a life pregnancy?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Man?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I guess it's not totally.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I don't know any well pregnancy related, but most don't
have to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, your special, Sydney. You're not like other girls. Nope,
or like some other girls, but not all, not all.
I am drinking I got my crystal light. But also
I have a leftover coffee. I've started drinking cold brews.
I guess because uh, wake up call roasters whatever you
want to call it. They have like it's like a

(01:24):
caramel coldbrew bullshit. I don't know, delightful, very into it,
so I know that's big news are like a cold brew. Yeah,
I've never really tried them before. Okay, so some fun facts.
I looked at Bonnie Garmas I read like her Wikipedia article,
which is pretty small but like interesting small article. I

(01:50):
don't know. So the article says she's from Seattle, which
I don't really get because she was born in California.
And then like, I went to like her website and
it said like most recently for Seattle, and I was like,
what does that mean she currently lived in Seattle though no,
she lives in the UK.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I guess maybe she lived in Seattle right before the UK.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I guess. I don't know why it was worded like that,
but whatever. I think. She was born in like fifty seven.
I don't remember the exact year, but she got her
bachelor's in Creative Writing and Aesthetic Studies from the University
of California, Santa Cruz. And she's lived She also lived

(02:29):
in Switzerland and Columbia, so like she's a traveled lady.
Good for her from places right, Like I said, she
lived in the UK just like you. And Lessons in
Chemistry was her debut novel, which I think it came
out in twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I think it was her best selling book at twenty
twenty three. I'm pretty sure it was.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
A big deal, very quickly. It was a hit instantly.
Within a year, it had been sold into forty two
territories and became a TV show on Apple TV starring Briler,
which is why I had heard of it so and
why I wanted to read it. Like I think we
mentioned on the last episode, neither of us have seen
the show because we don't have Apple TV, but I
would fucking love to watch it. I love Bree Larson,

(03:13):
and I think, even without seeing it, she's the perfect Elizabeth.
I can tell already.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I've seen commercials for it exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, and yeah, I've seen the scene about the ladies
saying she wants to be a hurt surgeon. I think
I've seen that scene.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, or make a big one listen to a podcast
about this book.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
But yeah, yeah. Garmis has won various awards. Here they
are She won British Book of the Year in twenty
twenty three, Waterstone's Author of the Year in twenty twenty two.
The Paul Tourday Memorial price for first novel by an
author over sixty. Very specific but good for her. And

(03:51):
she also was in Forbes Magazine's UH fifty over fifty
for Europe, the Middle East and Africa of twenty twenty four.
So like, very cool for her that it's like this
late in life, this successful with this one book. She wrote. Also,
she wrote competitively.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
That makes it work that yeah, if she wasn't.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
In fact, also just a fun fact. Her husband was
on Jeopardy in twenty twenty four and became a three
time champion. And she has a dog named ninety nine.
I don't know what kind of dog he is.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
This all tracks for right, this makes sense for the plot.
I get this now.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah. So that's Bonnie in a nutshell.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, Bonnie, I'm gonna have some complaints and I apologize.
You sound cool.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
She does sound cool. I also have a couple of complaints.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, let's get into it, Okay. Elizabeth Zott that's her name,
and it makes mind say baked city. Don't know why. Anyways,
it's the z, he and the T. There's a tea.
There's azort about pasta. Anyways. She notices that her daughter
isn't eating the food that she packs her for lunch,
and everyone at school. Her daughter's name is Madelin the

(05:01):
kind of so everyone schools jealous of Madiwin's lunches because
her mom packs her stuff like lasagna and not just
a peanut butter sandwich like those other lay Mass parents.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, leftovers for lunch is unheard of in the fifties.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Okay, first of all, did your class remember a microwaved
to microwave your food?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Because definitely not in elementary school. Okay, so in elementary
school there was a microwave, but it was a househole.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, who was Do you remember any children microwaves.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Not in the fifties. Maybe she's even cold lasagna. Maybe
she just got a really good thermal.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
She didn't like in the fifties. Well, this is the
sixties because it starts in the fifties, but it's like
early sixties, so I don't remember any child microwaving. I
was like, that's weird. You'd be the weird kid. I mean,
she is the weird kid.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
But maybe it's like really well prepped in a thermos
and lunch is at like ten am, so it's only
like a couple hours so maybe it's still warm.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
In the first thing, I don't love it anyways.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
And think about it. Honestly, it's the first.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Thing I thought it was. How is she reheating this issanya?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I mean it's a good point, honestly, How is she
reheating that lasagna?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Apparently it's fine? So anyways, Unfortunately, Madeline is kind of lame,
so she has actually been giving away her lunch to
another girl school so that girl will be her friend,
because that's the only way.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
She got friends.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Elizabeth realizes this when she meets this friend and sees
that this girl is fat and also posts the sauce
on her face while her daughter is skinny and papsta sauceless.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
She says, like her daughter's like malnourished, and she's like,
I've been doing the maths. She should be gaining weight,
not losing it.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, because she's psychotic anyways, just a little. But she
is like, this girl too fat. She's been eating my
girl's food. Yeah, maybe that's just genetics. Okay, whatever, I
don't even know that girl, Elizabeth calm down. Yeah. Well,
Elizabeth causes girl's father, but he doesn't return any of
her calls, so she goes to his work because it's
the sixties and you can find out where people work easily. Yeah,

(06:48):
and it works in TV. So she goes to his
office and she's in her work clothes, which is a
lab coat because she's a scientist, and she starts to
tell him that his kid needs to eat her own
food because she makes her food specifically for her daughter
to have the eye mula mano nutrition. I'm like, it's
a lasagna, Okay, I mean like, it's not like you're
giving her I don't know, veggie with.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
A phone, marrow whatever.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I'm like, it's she's acting like this is the most nutritional,
like it's a lasagna, Like it's not bad for you.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
But it's not like but she made that damn Lasanya Sidney.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, and I'm sure it's great and this is sixties nutrition,
so Wazania. He's confused as fuck because he's like, what
this lady's telling me about.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Latania yelling at me.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm mad well, and he was like, is this some
weird audition because he like makes TV shows.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, but no.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
It's Elizabeth, and she's pissed. Eventually she realizes why, like
he realizes what's happening, and that this woman is here
yelling about him making food for children, and like he's like,
oh my god, girl, do you want your own TV show?
And takes her an offer. She's like, no, what she
doesn't want to be on TV, but she's a single
mom who needs money, so she ends up accepting and
it's an instant hit. But don't worry, she's famous. The

(07:57):
president fucking name drops her. It's like a big deal.
Big deal, but this is ten years in the future.
Here's how we got there. Calvin is a really smart
guy who holds a grudge. He could be working at
Harvard right now, but Harvard didn't accept him for his
undergrad so we won't like, go work there because he's
mad about it. Still awesome. He had applied to Harvard
because he wanted to be a part of their rowing program,

(08:17):
which is one of the best in the country, but
not as good as you dub which I guess maybe
is here Seattle part throwing it in maybe because I
ever heard I guess they could row in the sound
or I would Lake Union. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know how rowing works.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
It would go rowing in the sound. That would be
a nightmare. They probably are in Lake Union.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well green Lake, I don't know. I mean, where are
you rowing?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Where are you rowing?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
There's a lot of water options, I guess. Okay. Anyways,
we didn't want to go to you dub because he
didn't want to deal with the rain, so instead he
decided to go to a school in sunny Cambridge, England.
Guess what not sunny. So Calvin is a genius, but
not hot, and really his best quality is his teeth,
which makes up for his average face. He is called

(09:05):
ugly a lot. Anyways. Unfortunately, he's also awkward and therefore
barely got any girls, so he's like a virgin. Anyway.
He is a big name in science at He's a
big name scientist at Hastings Laboratory and therefore has a
lot of supplies. So one day Eizabeth needs some beakers,
so she goes up to his lab and he's like, Hey,
I need to take your beakers and he's like, okay, secretary,

(09:28):
go ask the scientist who told you to do this
to say like, I'm not doing that, and like put
in the request for beakers the way you're supposed to.
And she's like I'm not a secretary, and then she
takes the speakers and leaves. He's instead obsessed with her.
They also like run into each other at a theater
waiter and he throws up all over her. I don't
include that, but that's part of this.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Hey, that's the romantic meet cute.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
But a yeah, like that's after this though, I think, right,
it is after this. But anyway, so when Elizabeth goes
back to her lab with the beakers, she like says
where she got them, and she sold that she fucked up,
and Calvin is not going to make their lives hell
because that man holds a grudge. So Calvin goes down

(10:12):
to Elizabeth's lab to apologize for being a dick and
thin months later, yeah this is months later because it.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Took him a long time to figure out who she was.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, and she asks like she doesn't even remember him,
and he's like, damn okay. But then the whole dirrupt
thing happens and then they start hanging out with his friends.
But they talk about like science and stuff, and he
respects her opinions on research and her thoughts on her
own research, and each time to hang out, Calvin is
like the most to make sure he doesn't come off
like he's hanging out with her to try to date her,
even though he wants to try to date her, and

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she takes this as him like not wanting to date her,
which she is sad about because she's into him. But
she also keeps being professional because she's like, that's how
he's doing things, but she just wants to kiss him.
So yeah, they're both friends zoning each other. Yeah, but
also he's like her superior, kind of like he's up
her in a lab. He should this is the way
you should be at I.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Think it is.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
But this goes on until one day in the parking
lot at work, Elizabeth finally just like gives in and
kisses Calvin. They're a power couple from then on. They
eventually end up moving in together since they spend like
all their time together anyways, and Elizabeth makes like no
money so it makes sense, and he has his house.
He pays with the house and in return, she cooks
for him. That's like, because she can't actually afford to

(11:24):
contribute to rent.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
They're like because she's like, I'll pay half, and he's like,
I know she can't pay half. And then she's like fine,
I'll cook for you. And he's like what, and she's
like every day and it just works.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, which I mean he's like yeah, I mean, go
for it.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I'm pretty sure his house is like paid off already too,
so I mean it's also the fifties. This house was
five dollars. They're fine, he's.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
A man who gets paid what he should get paid.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
So yeah, well he actually could be making a lot more,
she learns. But anyways, Yeah, they drive to work together
every day, and everyone at work hates them for having
a happy relationship and for Calvin ma so smart and
Elizabeth for being so hot. They're like, wow, hate that
they're together.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, because they think she's a gold digger using him
to like further her own research because no one respects
her as a scientist YadA YadA. Yeah, and she's like
a genius, but like whatever women am I right?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I mean, Elizabeth and Calvin ended up telling each other
their tragic backstories, but takes a while for them to
get to it. Like they're like six months in a
date they lived together, and he's like, hey, you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, and by the way, I know nothing about you.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, He's like, so you go home for the holidays
and she's like, no, are you and he's like no,
And here's his story. So he was an orphaned at
the age of five. His parents were hit by a train.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Then he goes to live with his aunt, who dies
like a year later and like in.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
A car accident. So that part, I know, it's like tragic,
but it was so funny that I had to stop
and read it to seth out loud because I was like,
what the fuck.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, he has like this wack ass story where he's like,
I was orphaned and theth's boy home for the rest
of his childhood.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Very traged Like.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Oh my god, let me try to one up you.
So she's like, my dad's a grifter pastor in Oregon
who's currently in jail for killing people. He got like
three people killed.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, and her mom was like the salesman and lives.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
No, her mom's in Brazil for tax evasion. She's Brazil
for tax asion. H and her brother. She had a
older brother who was her only friend, but he killed
himself when she was ten because he was gay and
her dad told him that he was going to hell
for it. So yeah, she has that whole thing like,
I have my.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Own tragic backstory actually.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And they're like, okay, so we'll spend thanks teaving together.
I guess because neither of us have a family. Was
with was also sexually assaulted in grad school by her professor,
but she doesn't tell Calvin about that whole thing. No. Anyways,
they both have my sea lives but are now super
happy together. Elizabeth makes a pretty clear, like early on,
that she does not ever want to get married or
have kids. Calvin hears this, but is a man about

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it and thinks that she will change her mind because
obviously all women want to get married and have kids,
you know.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
How women be changing their minds.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
When she's like, I for sure don't want to do this,
and he's like yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Totally yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, same, same, I understand, do you.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah. So he is so convinced that she didn't actually
mean it that he goes and buys a engagement ring.
He cares around for months until one day they're having
lunch at work and she's talking about this wedding she's
going to and he like just pulls it out and
proposes because he's like, she's talking about weddings.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
This part was wild, and I kind of was like,
this is happening at work, Like I kind of forgot
it was happening just in the You're in a lunch.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Room, everybody's watching Elizabeth instant. He's like, what the actual
fuck I told you guy, I didn't want to get married,
And he's like, yeah, but we love each other, so
we should get married. And she's like, okay, but marrying
you will erase like my identity and all my work
will instantly give credit to you, because I will become
miss Calvin Harris Evan Harris, Calvin Harrison.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
She could be missus Calvin Harris, the DJ extraordinaire. You
know she doesn't want to.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, she doesn't want to be the DJ's wife because
she's like, I don't even missus Calvin Evans, because then
I'll no longer be Elizabeth's not even like if he's
She's like, even if I did keep my own name,
which because he's like, well, did not change your.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Name, begrudging off that, and then she's like, I would
still be missus Calvin Evans.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, which I mean as someone who also didn't change
her name. I like people do address mail, though, this
is like the crunchaws or whatever, which doesn't bother me,
but it's true, like people just automatically assume. So anyways,
he's like, I'm totally cool with you keeping your name,
but it's also weird and you should take my last
name because he also already added her name to their house,
but added it as Elizabeth Evans.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
She's like, you gotta change that, and I'm like, God,
do you not think? Are you stupid? Like what is
wrong with you? Why would you?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Literally does not think?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
First of all, legally that's meaningless. That person doesn't exist,
so what the fuck. Anyways, his whole part was very
relatable to me. So they're like kind of making a
scene and all their coworkers who hate them are excited
to see them break up. But they don't break up. Yeah,
they're just like okay and move on with their day. Weird,

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but they stay together and decide to get a dog,
and this ends up working out perfectly because like a
week after they decided to get a dog, Oz was
coming home from the store and a dog just follows
her home and they name him six thirty because Calvin's like,
what's his name? And she tells him six thirty because
she thinks he asked what time it is, and so she's.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Like walking in the door as he asks.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, and there's just a dog behind her. So this
dog has his own tragic backstory.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
So thirty was my favorite character.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
He was a bomb snipping dog who hated the loud
noise of bombs and didn't want to sacrificehimself. So we
ran away every time like a bomb, like the noise.
Every time we found a bomb, he would run from it,
even though he was supposed to like tell some one
about it or jump on it to save everyone.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, because it's like if they find the bomb, it
doesn't go off. But the bombs that don't get found
end up going off at a certain because it's training.
They're not, you know, so loud noise, and.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
He doesn't like loud noises.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Who does He just runs away.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
So he leaves the military base that he was being
trained on and he lives in the streets until he
sees Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
He doesn't leave his his trainer drops him in the
middle of the roads, and then he runs off and
meets Elizabeth a week later. Lucky Boy said the boy,
he just.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Decides to follow her because he's like she seems like
a nice lady. Yeah, and I instantly realized that six
thirty is also a genius. So they take him with
them everywhere, including work, which is once again a lab
where you probably shouldn't have animals. But everyone says that, yeah,
this does make their coworkers hate them even more though,

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which I mean, sure, this guy is Also.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's like, six thirties such a good dog, Like he's
just hanging out with them. He doesn't like do anything.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
But I mean, like if they had any sort of
like regulatory people back in the sixties, they've actually since
thelar to allowed in here.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Science. Yeah, yeah, this is like because her specialty. It's
like abbiogenesis or something, and it's like how life is
started or some bullshit. I don't know if you talk
about it, I don't.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Oh, I probably don't at all.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's like really complicated, cool stuff, but I care about
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I'm not a nerd, So having a dog in a
laboratory not the best, probably not a good idea. Whatever,
he gets to do it. So six thirty also doesn't
need a leash because he's so well behaved, but the
city passes a leash loss, so Elizabeth buys one and
tells calvinnd does for six thirty protection since he like
they have run out loud noises, and he's like, oh

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my god, she's showing a maternal instinct. And so he's
still true secretly trying to marry her, like get her
to marry him and have kids, because he's psychotic.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
It doesn't I think I will fight about the kids.
At one point too, I think.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Well they thought about kids because he's like, oh, I
want want us to have and she was like, well
you want to have kids and he said we should
get a dog and she's.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Like, oh yeah, that's right. He does flip about it,
and he does that.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
But he does in his mind. He's like, so they
should not be together. What anyways, Then we get more
tragic backstory on Calvin. When he was living in the orphanage.
One day a kai came up in a limo and
then suddenly they got all the science supplies and science textbooks.
He got in trouble for asking why there was pages
taking out of these books and for asking like what

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happened to the evolution chapter? And so he sent to
the bishop who tells him that he's ugly and a
bad kid, and that the textbooks are in supplies are
actually from his birth father, and that he had been
like adopted by his nice dead parents because his real
mom died and child but birth and his real dad
couldn't cope so he got rid of him, which is
something they tell every orphan kid, that this is the
same backstory they all have. Yeah, so at first he's like,

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that's why. But but like that the birth day found
out he was at the orphanage and gave him money
but only for science stuff. But he did make sure
to say he's like, hey, he did he saw a
picture of you and that you're so ugly that he
didn't want you.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Which so fucking wild. He's gonna fund your education, but
he hates you.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, he saw a picture. He's They were like, oh,
we show to my picture and he said e and no. Yeah,
so yikes. Is Calvin's first skeptical of this whole story,
but decides he fucking hates his birth dad. He believes it. Anyways,
back to the leash. One morning, Elizabeth wakes up early,
so she started rowing with him because he's like, let's
row together, and she's now into it. It's a whole

(20:32):
part of their life that I don't even go into
because I don't, I can't, I don't.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I don't really talk about it much either. But she's
really naturally good at rowing. And it's when they talk
about rowing, it sounds like a terrible sport because they
essentially say it's just torture and pain and torture and terrible.
But oh my god, it's so real.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I can't swim, but it's fine.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Doesn't tell Calvin that, yeah, but he kind of knows
because she falls out of the water out of the
boat at one point, and he's like, oh, I don't
know if she can swim.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
But I don't think she ever learns. No, they never
say she learns, but she has to have learned, and
she continues to fall out.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
She just stops falling out of the boat because they
put her on a bigger boat with more people and
it doesn't tip as much.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
But like they did fallow the boat a lot for months,
like the every day they were falling out his boat.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yes, she was close enough to the boat that it
was fine.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I don't think she should be doing this sport.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Anyways, so she's like, they don't have to row that day,
but she's like, I'm gonna go to work early. So
he's like, oh, hey, like give me a minute, I'll
come with you, but she's like, no, sleep more and leaves.
He wakes up an hour later, decides to run to
work with six thirty so they could all drive back
home together at the end of the day. And he's like, Okay,
I'll take the leash because Elizabeth bought this leash and
she made a big deal about it, and it means
she wants to have kids, so.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Foreshadowing, foreshadowing, foreshadowing.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
So he heads out. He's running by the police department,
which is experiencing cut backs to their budget, which means
that the cops decide to be mad and not take
care of the cars. So when the cops starts up
a car and it backfires, this free stout six thirty.
He tries to run, but he's on a leash. Calvin
tries to him in the opposite direction. They're pulling in
opposite ways. This leads to Calvin falling down and getting

(22:05):
run over by a cop car.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, because it's also like slippery out because it was raining,
so there's like bad visibility and also cops are stupid,
so yeah, I don't know, run him over and then go,
oh shit.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, I will talk about that in a second, I guess.
But he dies in the ambulance. Elizabeth's at work when
she gets the news and she finds out when six
thirty comes into her lab and he has blood on him,
and she's like, what happened? And then she like somebody
comes and tells her I think I don't didn't write
down the details.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
She figures it out.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah, but she doesn't cry because she's not. She also
thinks to her fault because she's the one who got
the leash and the least she's obviously at fault and
not the cop who literally backed over a man. By
the way, no consequences for this cop. It's fine, this
man Sydney. This cop literally murdered a man.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's fine, okay, but I'm sure he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Anyways, they have a funeral for a Calvin where a
lot of people show up, but kind of just as
like spectators or porter shows up to try to write
a piece about Calvin and asks Elizabeth if the same
family there or like somebody could talk to you, and
she's like, she says, like somebody like she didn't know
him long enough, and he takes that to mean to her,
saying she didn't know him well. So he writes an
article that says that Calvin was a difficult guy to

(23:17):
work with and who held a grudge and nobody knew him. Yeah,
Elizabeth in six thirty end up walking home from the
funeral before it's fully over, in the rain because they're sad.
So in Calvin's lab, miss frask who is.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Is He's like a secretary or something.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
He's like, oh, she works in HR essentially, and she
tells Elizabeth that only Calvin's family can have his possessions.
So it was with can't actually take anything. Elizabeth then
throws up and we all know what that means except Elizabeth,
who doesn't know what that means. And Frascus like, girl,
you're pregnant. Unfortunately Fraska is not a girl's girl. She
does immediately tell everyone that Elizabeth is pregnant and obviously unmarried,

(23:56):
and so she is in fact a major slut. Yeah,
everyone at work has already been a dicta was this
since Calvin died? Pretty much, saying like she only got
treated that well like as she did because he was
there protecting her and like he was so important, but
now he's dead and she has no one.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I think Fresk is Also that's when she's like, you
can't bring your dumb dog to work either, because we
only like Calvin do that.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, and she's like, the dog follows me, I cannot
control him, which is true. So she then is called
into doctor Donati's office Donate whatever similar time, and he's like, hey,
we can't have an a merry pregnant person working at our lab.
It's just like not a good look. And goes to
answer our ethics or whatever, and so they're like, you're
this guy.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
He also had big beef with Calvin and really hated Calvin,
and so he's been trying to take it out on
Elizabeth this whole time because he also hates women. So
he's really happy about this.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, he's loving this. But here's my favorite part of
the book. So she's like, he's like, you're being fired,
and she's like, well, we can't fire me for being pregnant,
and they're like a girl will get fire slides. It's
the ninety fifties. And she's like, okay, but would you
fire Calvin for this? And they're like what and she's like, well,
you know, I didn't get pregnant on my own, like
he was part of it. And they're like, but he's
a man.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
She's like, okay, but he would also be having a
child at a wedlock and they're like, yeah, but he
has a penis, so I don't get what you're trying
to say. Yeah, they are truly so confused by her argument.
She's like, but he was he I didn't do this
on my own.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
And they're like, like, you can't fire me for this,
and they're like, we are, though we can.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
And also we would never have fired him because he's
not pregnant.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I don't know if you forgot that.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Also, yeah, she's like, this is also his child at
a wedlock and he's like, no, you're a woman with
child your or he's a man. Yeah, so and she's
like you guys are literally the worst. But now she's
pregnant and unemployed, so she was depressed and also pissed off.
She ends up tearing out her kitchen built herself a
lab so she continued her can continue her work, but

(26:01):
also because her old coworkers immediately start showing up to
her house like on the regular to ask you questions.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
So she's like freelance and basically.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, she's pretty much like a freelance consultant to her
old coworkers, and this is what she does with her job.
When she is well into her third trimester, like literally
eight months pregnant, she's like, I'm gonna go to a
doctor for the first time. What are you my grandma
who didn't go to a doctor and tell she was literary?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
And then they're like, it's too late to fix anything
that maybe was wrong. So it's a good thing it
worked out because it could have been. So she goes
to one of the guys, like Calvin knew from rowing,
so she also knew him, and his name's doctor Mason,
and he tells her that everything with the baby's good, thankfully,
and they talk about like rowing, and she's like, hey,

(26:46):
like I've still been training and he's like, girl, wants
this baby's born, you gotta come out rowing with us,
Like we could use a new person in our boat.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
It's says sick. He's like, I love that you row.
My wife would never Yeah. So she gives worth to
a daughter like a month later. She ends up legally
naming her daughter Mad because the nurse comes by and
it's like what is this part? What's the baby's name?
And she's like answers with how she feels and she
says mad.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And she's like I didn't think about it. And the
nurses like, well, just whatever comes to mind, like what
do you feel? And she's like mad and she's like, oh,
madam Maddie, that's such a cute name. And she's like
she's like mad okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
So the nurse is like whatever. The crazy lady writes
it down. Elizabeth is like, I'm gonna you know, she
sees this, she's like, I'm gonna change it, but she
doesn't never get around to it because it's a hassle
she's so she decides to just tell everyone that her
daughter's name is madawin yeah, leave it be. She's struggling though,
being one with a newborn, until one day her neighbor
Harriet Sloane comes over and gives her some tips and

(27:49):
like he's like, hey, here's my number of call if
you ever need me. Because Harriet knw Calvin and also
had its like her own grown children and a shirty
husband that she hates, so she like can't leave him.
She's Catholic. She has a whole thing going on, so
she's really hoping that was with will call so she
has like something to do during the day. Yeah, it
always wants to call several times, but doesn't for a while.

(28:09):
Eventually she does, though, and Harriet becomes her like bestie
slash nanny. And I think she ends up calling because
doctor Mason convinces her to go out running and so
she needs running growing. Yeah, she needs a sitter, and
that's how they end up being bessies.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, so it's like Harriet comes up like whenever she
goes growing, which is at like four in the morning.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, Harriet truly is a homie. But she also doesn't
have any money really, so she decides to go back
to work for Hastings and she thinks she'll get her
old job back as a chemist. But when she gets there,
she's told by doctor Donatti donaty, I don't care, doctor
d and that she's like he's like na yankee, year
old job back. You can be a lab tech.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
He's also a lab tech, me bitch.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, loser, And she's a lab coat and it's just
her initials which are easy, which of course is a
day at her for being a slut.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, she call her luscious Lizzie.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, which is just gross. Yeah. So she has a
job now but is even more miserable than she was before.
And then she finds out that her research has been
copied by her coworker who had been going to her
for help and like given to her boss, who publish
it under his name as if it's a don't work.
She's pissed off confronts him. He's pretty much like sorry,
horror and fra Ask who at this point is also

(29:24):
being fired because her new boss, who is younger and
less experienced than her, had like ran a plan for
her to improve at work, which included her losing twenty pounds,
which she's up gaining seven pounds. So now she's getting
fired for gaining weight. And she's like talking to Elizabeth
and she said, yeah, all these guys fucking suck. And
she tells Elizabeth that she also has a master's but
in psychology and she wanted to get a pahd.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
She didn't get to finish it.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Well, she I think she finished, she was almost done.
She said, okay, Well, she wanted to get a PhD
but didn't because unlike because just like Elizabeth. She was
sexually assaulted by her advisor and they have like ad
over yeah, and it was just like and Prass' is like, okay,
now that we're cool, Like, I guess somebody to show you.
So she opens up a storegroom and reveals all Calvin's

(30:09):
work and it's like, hope you got your car on
a trunk and she was just like is this legal?
And Frass was like, who the fuck cares?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah. So one month later, Walter the TV dude, he's
in his office stressing because some bitch came in and
yelled about his daughter stealing her kid's lunch. We all remember.
So meanwhile, Elizabeth, oh wait, oh you already said all this.
I think I started I started the wrong chapter one sick.

(30:41):
Oh wait, no, okay, one sick. So yeah, it's like
a month later whatever. She quits the job and she's
super poor. There's not a lot of jobs lined up
for her. She ends up going through all of Calvin's
stuff and like, there's a bunch of job offers because
he always talked about all these other jobs offers he
had that he never took, and she's like going through

(31:02):
them and she's confused, why he took the Hastings job
because it's like the worst offer that he was given.
It's like the least pay in everything. And she's like,
this doesn't make any sense. And then she like finds
some letters that he had, which he his little mystery
pen pal that he was writing to. Did you talk
about that? I already forgot it? But he had this
like pen pal that he wrote to, and they like

(31:25):
the pen pal was really into surfing and he was
really into rowing, and then his pen pal was like, oh,
Cambridge has really good weather. You should try going there.
And so that's literally the only reason why Calvin went
to Cambridge is because this dude he wrote letters too,
told him to. And then like they wrote letters to
each other for a while because the surfer guy he
was like a minister because his whole family is full

(31:46):
of ministers, and Calvin's like, well, I'm a scientist. And
then they start talking about their dads and Calvin's like,
I hate my dad, and then like the letters just stop.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Because he's like my dad's dad. And this is when
I was convinced that this guy penpal was his dad.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
But no, same, but it's not, it's not. Yeah, So
Elizabeth is like, Wow, can't believe he moved here over
this dude's opinion. And then she gets a phone call
and it's the Walter guy that she yelled at, and
he's like, I have an opening at my TV studio.
I want you to do a cooking show. We need
your perspective. And she's like, I'm a scientist. Cooking is science.

(32:20):
But it's like it's not just for housewives because he's like,
you relate to women and housewives and she's like not really,
but he's like, yeah, cooking science, that's what we want.
We want you. You got star quality baby, And she's
like okay, Like how much does it pay? And he
tells her and she's like okay, and he it's like
her response, she's just like oh. And he can't tell
if it's like oh that's a lot of money or

(32:42):
oh that's not a lot of money. So he's like,
what's a trial run? Like they'll guarantees, like we're just
doing a certain amount and of episodes and if it's good,
we'll sign for more, YadA YadA. She agrees to come
in because she's broke as fuck, so like yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
And.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
So she's at the TV studio. I think they're like
gonna record soon. I don't know. She's trying on all
her outfits and she hates them. She's fucking pissed off
because all the dresses are like skin tight, and she's like,
I'm here to cook. I can't fucking breathe in these dresses.
Like this doesn't work for me. And Walter's like, oh
my god, no, you look so hot. It's great. You're
gonna be You're gonna look great. The viewers are gonna

(33:18):
love you. You gotta be super exciting for them and like
relate to them and stuff. And she's like, bro, I
want to talk about science. I'm here to talk about science.
And he's like, okay, but you have to be exciting
for the viewers because like this TV slot is when
the housewives are gonna be like fighting off the midday naps,
so like you got to keep them awake with your
fun cooking and it's like science and stuff. And she's like,

(33:40):
oh my god, I never thought of it that way.
This is important. So I'm like, Walter, you need to
talk like her like this with her more often. But
he does not learn from this experience. Well whatever, but
he also tells her. He's like, you can wear your
own clothes. Don't worry about the wardrobe stuff like compromise,
and she's like okay, And so she wears like her

(34:00):
own apron and like dress or whatever. And he's like, maybe,
just like don't be as sciency because like, you know,
housewives don't know a lot of science. And she's like,
don't doubt women. So she shows up for the first
taping in one of her dresses with an apron and
like goggles on her head, which I think is amazing,
and like a pencil behind her ear. And when she
walks on set to a live recording with no audience,

(34:23):
she freezes, like cameras rolling and she just stops and stares,
and then she's like this is horrendous. And Walter's in
the background like girl, we're recording, like come on, and
she's just like pause.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
They could not have had her just come out for
the first time seeing it this way.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
They blindsided her because it like it's like some homie
kitchen kitchen with like a bunch of knickknacks and like
yarn and like you know.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Whatever things that don't belong on a kitchen, like if.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Fake clock and stuff, and she just keeps looking around,
so they have to go to commercial because she's like,
I hate this, and Walter's like, you don't get to
pick the set, like this was chosen, like we paid
for it. It matches your demographic and she's like, well
doesn't match me. And he's like okay, but like you're
not really being her, like you need to do this
for the earth, like you're not being yourself. You need
to do this for the average housewife. And she's like,

(35:15):
you said I could be me, but okay, and so
she goes back on. They have cue cards for her,
she ignores them because she thinks they're stupid. She talks
in her normal, like matter of fact way, and she's
like women's work isn't appreciated, Like you do so much
more than anyone realizes. I'm not gonna waste your time.
I'm going to show you something meaningful in the thirty

(35:36):
minutes we have together. And at the end of the show,
Walter is pissed and his boss even more pissed because
like she's not being the hot housewife that she was
supposed to be, and also like the big boss I
don't name him till way later because I don't give
a shit. The Big Boss wants her to be like
wearing lipstick and like making a cocktail at the end
of every episode and stuff, and she's like, no, gross.

(35:58):
But at the end of this epod there's like so
many callers, like everyone's calling in and they're asking about
the ingredients she listed because she gave them a shopping
list at the end of episode. But she listed everything
in like chemical terms, so like, instead of saying salt,
she says sonium chloride. That annoyed me so much.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Oh oh, I think it's either my entire final thoughts
are one of my questions or both, because.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I have a question about it too, don't worry. Yeah,
So the listeners are like, what the fuck is that
because she says vinegars like technical chemical formula instead of
just saying vinegar, so like they're just telling all the callers, yeah,
that's vinegar. So whatever. After a week of this tapings
where she is not listening, she's just doing her own shit,

(36:41):
she gets her first live studio and audience, so she
does her normal thing, which starts she starts to hurt
her show with her first audience by being like, I
hate everything on this set. I think it's unnecessary, Like
y'all have it, take it, take whatever you want. Because
she's like, I'm being engaging, I'm being exciting. That's what
you want there.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Is like those weren't free. They cost money.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
For those you gave away our stuff like.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
This says coming out of your pay I'm sorry, Yeah,
just give away this set, bitch like and he does.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
That like during a commercial break too, So she comes
back from the commercial break all pissed, but like whatever,
she just keeps doing what she's doing, does her little
science bit. Walter faints from the stress because, like he's
told his boss wants to meet with him first thing
in the morning because he hates Elizabeth Show so much.
And Elizabeth is like, take this castro and made home.
I think you need it more than me because he
made like some she made up spinach castrole on that episode,

(37:35):
and he's like, my daughter hates spinach and she just
like leaves it on the hood of his car and
he does take it home and he cooks it up
and his kid's obsessed with it. His kid's like he's
the best sinner I've ever had. Yeah, does any care
much spinach?

Speaker 3 (37:47):
But Walter's a single dad. His wife left him and
like left him, went to New York or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yes, I think I vaguely talk about it, but yeah,
he has divorced, his wife hated him, YadA, YadA. I'll
get I do give more backstory to that, I think
at some point. So yeah, at school, Madeleine's teacher because
so also, Madeleine is only four, but Elizabeth wanted to
put her into school because she's like, I have to work,

(38:14):
like I have to provide for this child. And Madeleine's
super smart, like she's reading like high school level as
a four year old.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
As a four year old, I'm like sure, okay.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, And so Elizabeth like forges her birth certificate so
she seems a year older so she can go into
school early. So she's in kindergarten and she is a
nerdy little bitch. She would kind of be annoying because
she's asking questions that no other kid understands. So they
have a school project though, they have to make family trees,

(38:44):
and this causes Hella drama because children are dumb, and
the teacher keeps saying like she keeps being like, oh,
you give your family true, you're related to YadA, YadA,
and like animals come up and the teachers like people
aren't animals and Madaline's like, yes they are, and the
teacher's like, no, they're not, and so they like get
in a fight about that, and the teacher holds Madeline
after class to like lecture her, and after school, like

(39:06):
Madeline's telling Harriet all of this because like her, like
Harriet's like her nanny. They're like Bestie's, you know. And
Harriet's like you shouldn't correct the teacher, like even if
she's wrong, like you're supposed to listen to the teacher
and learn from the teacher. And Madden's like Madeline's like okay,
but like she was wrong, and Harriet's like yeah, and
then she probably got embarrassed and that's why she got
mad and yelled at you. And Madeline's like okay. And

(39:28):
Harriet tells Madeleine not to tell her mom about the
family tree project because it'll like make her upset because
of like how unnecessary it was and how and like
they have a lot of family history drama, so like
you know.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, and because like she her dad is dead, but
also they weren't.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Married illegitimacy YadA YadA, Yeah, so and she's like, your
dad doesn't have much of a family tree. Anyways, Harriet
tells her to like make shit up basically, and Elizabeth
or not Madeline's like, I don't know about that, but whatever.
They put that off. Also, Harriet and Mad are color
mad or made one sometimes because like I think it's

(40:02):
so they call her mad. It's so cute. So they
watch Elizabeth's show every day, and like they both don't
think that it'll really last because they know that Elizabeth
is always getting yelled at by Walter for not listening,
and so like Harriet's trying to tell Elizabeth, like you
need to compromise, like listen a little bit to Walter
do like little things he asks, but Elizabeth won't because

(40:24):
she's like he wants me to talk to my viewers
like they're dumb, and I'm not about to degrade women,
Like they're not dumb, they're people. And then mad tells
Harriet at one point, like all her classmates started bringing
like lunches to school like hers, like leftovers and shit,
and Harriet's like, oh my god, did people actually watch
Elizabeth's show, because like they're just hearing negative, negative, negative

(40:47):
from Walter, So it's like really hard to tell. And
also it's you know, the sixties, so like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah, it's so social media, you don't know what people are.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Doing, right, And so Harriet ends up sending Mad to
the library to like return her books because like she's
asking too many questions and Harriett is like, I can't
deal with you right now. So Mad goes to the
library and she tells the library and that she needs
to look up a place in Iowa that sounds like
a girl's name, because when she was talking to Harriet,
she mentioned that her dad grew up in a boy's

(41:15):
home in Iowa in a city that sounded like a
girl's name. So she's like, gotta find that, and the
librarian is like, oh, I don't know what city that
would be, and some random guy is like, oh try
Sue falls like that sounds like a girl's name. And
she ends up talking to this guy and he helps
her find the boys' school, which is called All Saints,

(41:37):
and she tells him about her like family tree thing
and he's like and like how her mom doesn't know
about it? YadA YadA drama, and he's like, well, your
family doesn't really matter. Like your choices that you make
like make you who you are. But like I can
help you. And call this boy's school to like ask
about your dad if you want, and she's like, okay,
my dad is Calvin Evans. And he's like, oh, this

(42:00):
guy turns out he's a minister and he's also the
pen pal from before that Calvin had all these years ago.
So he's in disbelief because he is now meeting Calvin's
illegitimate child. But he does agree to help her, and
his name is Wakely. I name him a lot later,
but that's Wakely, and so she's like cool, got to
go home. So she before she leaves the library, they

(42:23):
tell each other a secret and this does come back.
I did remember to put the secret in later. I
like his well, like the good secrets. Yeah, we don't
get to know the secret yet. Though. Elizabeth's show gets
renewed for another six months, much to Walter's horror, and
he tells her he's like, you gotta be sexier. My
my boss is like so pissed, but she just keeps

(42:46):
on sciencing and the people.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Bad for Walter though, because he's like, I'm losing my job.
This bitch won't listen to me at all.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
He's popping tomb like the Eminem's.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
But yeah, this poor guy has had the most stress
full time.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah, and then he's also stressing about the family tree
thing too, because like divorce and YadA YadA, and maybe
I don't talk about it, so I'll mention it now.
Walter's drama is that when his his wife was a
bitch and hated him and like told him after she
had their daughter, Amanda, she was like, you're not even
the dad, and he was like, she's just trying to

(43:21):
hurt me. But after the divorce, when he's left with
the child, which like he wanted the child. He loves Amanda.
He did a DNA test and he is not Amanda's father,
but he's like, I love her like my child, Like
I don't care. I will tell her when she's older.
And I'm like, okay, Walter, Okay, Walter. He's a man.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah. Also, as the husband of the wife, nobody would
question that maternity exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
But also like Walter as a single dad gets a
lot of judgment because people automatically assume he's a shit
dad and also a creeper.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I think he's a pedophile, which yeah, because like him
and Elizabeth bond. They're like kind of friends, even though
she is ruining his life because the teacher hates both
of them for being like parents families.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so there's some drama there, but he's
he's an okay dude, So yeah, all that's happening in
the background. Meanwhile, Elizabeth, on one of her episodes, decides
to take an audience question and she picks some lady
and the lady asks her some science y medical question
because she's like I have these things in my legs

(44:31):
and YadA, YadA, YadA, essentially using what Elizabeth has said
about food science to be like does this apply with
like medical science too, And Elizabeth is like, yes, you
are correct with your thoughts, like what kind of medicine
do you practice? And the lady's like, oh, I'm not
a doctor. I'm a mother. I have five kid, five boys,
Like I just read medical journals on the side sometimes,

(44:51):
and Elizabeth is like, okay, so when you were younger,
what did you want to be? And she's like open
heart surgeon. And Elizabeth is like, okay, well you're super
smart obviously, so why not try And she's like I'm
just a mom, and she's like, nah, you could go
for it, like because she's like, how would I even
do that? And she's like, well, you need to study

(45:12):
and get into like get your undergrad and then go
to med school. YadA, YadA, Like you know, you could tell.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
The sixties because she didn't say, how the fuck would
I afford to go to med school? Bitch?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
It's only two thousand dollars right now for y'all seven.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
You just told somebody with five kids, why did you
just go to med school?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Go to bitch?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Who it's where?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah? Like, I'm sorry, I have five kids. Did you
not remember that I don't have time for money for
med school?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Right? Yeah? So then she gives that lady the pop
pie she made that episode and is like cool, great,
And then the next week Mad is in trouble for
her family Chief project because she did what Harriet said
and just kind of put random shit on there. So
she put this she was related to Nepher, Titi and
Amelia Earhart and also put on the bottom that like

(46:05):
humans were animals, and then drew a bunch of weird
little pictures like she drew a kid like with a
noose and then there's like tombstones and there's like a
little acorn and she's like, that's my fairy godmother, because
like when Harriet told her about like her dad at
the boys' school, she mentioned like the fairy godmother that
paid for his school shit basically, and it's it's just

(46:26):
a mess basically.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
She also, they're supposed to have a family photo, and
her family photo is of her mom and it's grave
set like in his with his coffin, because that's their
own family potocause she's yeah, she's like, my mom was
pregnant with me. My dad's in the coffin and they're
six thirty yard dog.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
And Harriet's like, oh okay, yeah, and like she said
something on there about like humans are like ninety nine
point ninety nine percent animals or something, and Elizabeth only
gets mad because she's like it's actually ninety nine point
ninety nine like whatever the math is. She's like, you're
got the decimal wrong.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
She's like decimals yet.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, I haven't taught you decimals yet, and I'm like okay,
And then Harriet's like because whenever Elizabeth gets home, Harriet
tells her about all the voicemails and stuff, and she's like,
you got a message from this like minister guy, I
don't know what that's about. And Matt in the background
is like, oh, that's for me, but she like doesn't
say anything, and then Elizabeth starts like doing dishes whatever.

(47:28):
Walter at this point, oh, this is when I talk
about the family tree thing. He's also in trouble for
the family tree thing because of I don't know, he's
stressed about it. He because his own illegitimate child. And
then to add on top of this, his boss is
still pissed at him about the Elizabeth thing. And Elizabeth

(47:49):
is like, Okay, I will compromise because he wants her
to use canned goods on her episode, and she's like,
I only use fresh foods. And I'm like, wow, this
really is the sixties if you could just afford to
be doing that all the time, because like bitch is
poor as fuck and like has always only cooked with
fresh foods, and I'm like, I wish, like what.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
She also completely renovated her kitchen on no salary.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
So okay, yeah, yeah, and so she's gonna compromise with
Walter to alleviate his stress. A little, He's like, I'll
use some canned goods. On the Thursday episode, it's like
Monday at this point. And then Harriet comes over one
day and she's wearing sunglasses and Elizabeth is like, what
the fuck and she's like, uh yeah, So my husband

(48:34):
that I hate that I can't divorce because we're Catholic.
He got mad because his sports team lost a game
and he threw a beer bottle at me and now
I have a black eye. And Elizabeth is like, okay,
let's call the cops. And Harriet's like no, like I
you know, I hit him with my purse, like so
like no point basically, and Ruthie's here for this part

(48:56):
apparently right actually, so yeah, she won't call the cops,
and so Elizabeth is like, I'll make my own plan,
and so on the Thursday episode, she's like, oh, when
you're cooking, you can use can goods if you want
your family to die, because they're full of things that
make you like die. But that would be like that
would take a really long time.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Is this can soup company was their sponsor, And she's
here's a can of soup. It's gonna poison and kill you.
And I'm like, damn bitch. Okay, some of us can't
don't have time to just be making these meals.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Sometimes I need can soup.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Okay, Yeah, she's kind of a bitch. But also Walter's like, great,
now we're all fired because she is like dissing our sponsors.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
But wait, there's more, because she is, if you really
want to kill your family fast, you should use poisonous mushrooms.
And then she lists a bunch of poisonous mushrooms and
how to cook them and like which ones work better
for what things? YadA YadA, and then she's like just kidding,
that's a joke. Let's make mushroom casts. All. So the

(50:01):
audience loves this. They're taking notes because like her audience
like brings little notebooks and everything, and like it's like
a like it's a very quiet audience because they just
listen to everything she says. They're taking notes, like it's
a whole thing. And uh so after this episode, the
Big Boss is like, I want to talk to Elizabeth.
She hasn't like seen him yet. She's told by like

(50:23):
one of the pas that she's like, oh, he wants
to meet with you at seven, and Elizabeth is like, oh,
this man obviously doesn't have children. That's super late, and
the PA is like, do you want me to go
with you? Because Walter has told all the women don't
meet with him, don't meet with the Big Boss without
me there, like, I will come with you to meet
this guy. And I'm like, good job, Walter, I mean,
not the best, but it's the start. And Elizabeth is like, nah,

(50:47):
I'll go. It's fine, don't worry about me. I also
call the Big Boss leg Man. I know that's not
his name, but I don't care. It's it starts with
an el so close enough. So Elizabeth goes to meet
this guy. He's a dick, and also in his office
he has like four TVs playing all simultaneously at high
volumes because he's watching like all the shows on the

(51:08):
network at the same time, and so he has that going.
And then he's like talking to her and she's like,
I cannot hear you. Can we turn the TVs off?
And he like yells at her and is like, don't
turn my fucking TV's off and she's like, I can't
even like hear you, dude. She is not intimidated by
him at all, So he gets really pissed, and he's like,
you're fired. Everyone working on your show is fired. It's
all canceled. I hate you. And she's like, well, everyone

(51:32):
that works on my show also works on other shows,
so if you fire them, then like none of your
shows are gonna be able to run. So that doesn't
seem very smart, and he's like I can replace all
those people in like twenty four hours, and she's like okay,
but like Walter really wanted me to listen to you,
Like that was a me choice to not, Like, he
just can't control me, so like, don't get mad at him.
This isn't your fault, and just continues to ignore everything

(51:55):
he says. And he gets really mad about this, and
he's like, I'm gonna have to teach you a less
and I should have taught you this a long time ago.
So like he takes his pants off and walks towards
her with no pants on, and she's like, don't you
ever come near me. He doesn't listen, so she reaches
in her purse and pulls out a fourteen inch chef's knife.
Oh yeah, she brings her own knives. Like anyhow she

(52:16):
brings her own knives. Everyone knows this except for this guy.
He passes out. Turns out he has a heart attack,
but like she calls an ambulance whatever, he somehow survives,
even though like bitches be dying of heart attacks in
this time period, but like it's gonna take him like
over a year to recover, so he's not coming back
to work. So the next day at work, everyone's heard
about the heart attack. Elizabeth tells everyone what happened. She

(52:38):
tells Walter last, he gets their last. For some reason,
he's freaking out because she's telling the story and she's
like yeah, and then he fired everyone and he's like
what he fired him? Why are we all here? Like
what he's like, and she's like, okay, can I tell
you the rest of the story? Can you do? You
want to hear the rest of it? And he's like
there's more after the firing and he knows that Legman

(53:00):
was a perf and that's why he never let any
of the women meet with him alone. And so he's
like did he try something? Like did he attempt something
with you? And Elizabeth is like yes, but he did
not succeed. And then she pulls the giant knife out
of her purse again and is like, I didn't touch him,
but he passed out, and Walter is like what, And
then she's like, while he was passed out, I went

(53:21):
through all his data about my show. Because during his
big speech, he's telling Elizabeth everyone hates your show, like
I'm getting no money off of it, We're going to
cancel it, but he was lying because everyone fucking loves
her show. Everyone wants to sponsor this show, they want
it playing cross country everywhere. And so she's like, dude,

(53:42):
we didn't get fired, like we're in charge basically, and
so Walter gets promoted to Legman's job since he's at
a commission. He's executive producer now, and Elizabeth is like,
just do what's right, don't be a dick, and he's like,
I don't really know how to do that because all
my bosses were dicks, but I'll do my best. And

(54:02):
then the company makes like a big card for everyone
to sign for Legman that's like get well soon. But
like when Walter gets to it after everyone's signed, there's
like a bunch of people that wrote mean shit, Like
a bunch of people were like die eat shit, like
I hate you. So when he writes some big letters
I hope you never get better.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I mean love that, did love that.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
And then he's like, I gotta try to not be
like leg Man basically, and then at one point, Harriet
decides to have Mad skip schools so they can be
in the audience for Elizabeth's show, and she's like, we'll
just sit in the back. She won't see us, because
Elizabeth would be pissed, like if they did show up,
if she knew they were there. And so they get
to the studio and the law is packed. There's like

(54:45):
a line around the building, and they're like, oh, these
people are probably here, like there's multiple TV shows that
film here, they're here for different shows. But they're told
by security that like the audience has already been picked.
It's already full, Like they're way too late. People have
been waiting since like four and the more, and so
they're like shit, whatever. And then Mad asks the security

(55:05):
guard for his autograph because she's like, I'm gonna tell
my mom you're good at your job. And he's like okay,
and he signs her little notebook and then he notices
on the front it says Madeline Zott and he's like,
oh my god, are you Elizabeth's daughter, and so they
are rushed inside given front row seats in the audience,
and they're like, can we actually be in the back?
We didn't want to be upfront, and the whoever's seating

(55:26):
them is like, oh, yeah, right, Walter would kill me
if I put you in the back. Wrong, but whatever,
and so they get to watch up close as Elizabeth
is cooking steak, but like she can't see them because
of the lights, basically, and in the middle of the episode,
Walter steals them and is like, oh, what the fuck.
She would kill all of us if she knew you
were here, and Mad is like, yeah, Harriet forged me

(55:48):
at a school and we were gonna bring Amanda tub
but Harriet said that I'd be kidnapping, so then we didn't.
And Walter's like, well, thanks for that. But like Elizabeth
doesn't want like he's stelling Mad. He's like, she your
mom doesn't want you to be like known about because
she wants like your life to stay private. Like her
show's really popular right now, so a lot of people
are paying attention to her and she doesn't want them

(56:09):
like knowing about you and all that. And then they
hear like Elizabeth in the background, she's ending the show
by taking a question from the audience, and this time
this lady is like, what's your favorite prayer before dinner?
And Elizabeth is like, Oh, I don't do prayers. I'm
an atheist, and like time stops because, oh my god,
an atheist in the sixties on TV, that's illegal basically.

(56:32):
But then Elizabeth goes on and she's like, I believe
that like everyone that works to get this I believe
in everyone that works to get this food to you,
the people that plan to you know, picket, et cetera.
And she's like, I believe in you doing the work
to nurse your family. YadA, YadA, she says, like some
good shit. But it's the sixties, so this is the
most calls they've ever gotten because you don't say that

(56:54):
you're an atheist, so on the TV in the sixties,
that's just crazy. They get a lot of angry responses
about this. But she's, you know, a cult leader at
this point basically, so like she has enough loyal fans
that she's fine, Like it gets more publicity, it makes
her more popular. And then that bitch Frask that got
fired at the same time as her, she works as

(57:17):
a secretary, as a like the type of secretary whatever
they call those for Wakely, And so she's working at
Wakeley's office and like watching SuPAR at six one day
and he comes in and is like, what the fuck
because Elizabeth is on the show at this point, and
he's like, oh, do I know her? I know her?
And she's like her. She's taking a question from the

(57:38):
audience a different episode and the audience member is like, hey, like,
how do you stay like so thin? Like what's your
diet because I'm on diet pills and I'm just like
not losing the weight I want to lose. And Elizabeth
is like, Okay, well, you don't need to lose weight.
You've been brainwashed by the media and no one should
take diet pills because they can cause psychosis and it's
basically meth and the lady is like, okay, but I

(58:00):
high you.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Should take diet pills. It's a fun it's acceptable form
of math. And I really just wish that, you know,
we bring back truly sad that we didn't get it
experienced a diet pill coal.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
And we can get back to those crazy jello salads.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yes, I just feel like people really did not appreciate
what they could legally easily get.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
You know, I think if they're going to bring back
all the like oppression and hating women, they should bring
back the fun stuff too, like the crazy diet pills.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
And drugs, A little high because I got a cope. Yeah,
we just get shots. Now you have to inject yourself
and you don't get high.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Rude, no boring, hate it. Yeah. So Elizabeth, being the
psycho that she is, is like, you haven't found an
exercise that you like. Have you tried rowing? It's torture,
It's the worst thing you'll ever do, but it's good
for your soul. And the lady is like, soul, I
thought you weren't religious. And then Elizabeth just like stares
off into the distance for a while, and Wakeley, Uh,

(58:55):
he's like going to meet with Mad at this point
because he's like I called that. I call that boy's
home and Mad shows up with six point thirty because
of course she does, that's her boy. And Wakeley is like,
I didn't know your mom was on TV, and Matd
is like, oh yeah, I figured everyone knew, especially since

(59:15):
she said she was an atheist, And Wakeley's like, oh,
like it's chill. She doesn't believe in God because like
free will and stuff, like science is its own religion
in my opinion, Like Wakeley's cool. And then he's like
I called that boy's home and they said that they
had no record of a Calvin Evans, and like they
wouldn't lie about that, Like why would they lie about that?

(59:35):
And Madeline, the fucking five year old is like, dude,
everyone lies.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
And then we get some backstory conversation where he'd been
like we all lie. It's fine, yeah, because yeah, And
I'm like maybe a child, she'dn't be like we all lie.
It's okay to tell lies sometimes a little girl.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Right, So then we get some background from the Boy's
Home and basically Calvin was always in trouble and the
bishop hated him, and the bishop hated working at the
boys home because he was like stuck in little random,
tiny town in Iowa and he wants to be, you know,
in the big city living, but he's told by his

(01:00:15):
uh superiors that like he can't leave this tiny boy's
home until he gets it like well funded. Basically like
there's not enough money. So he's hating his life, hating
Calvin hating everything, and then one day this like rich
guy comes by and he's like, hey, I'm looking for
this like tall blonde kid who was adopted and then

(01:00:36):
his adoptive parents died and then he was given to
his aunt, and then his aunt died and now he's
like in a boy's home. The bishop instantly knows this backstory,
because I mean it's pretty specific, and he knows it's Calvin,
but he's mad because this guy is rich and he
has not offered to give any money to the boy's
home yet, which is like so rude of him, Like
how dare he just look more an orphan And he's

(01:00:58):
thinking about how he needs money to get out of Iowa.
So he looks at this guy and he goes, Calvin's dead,
and this guy gets visibly upset instantly and is like uh.
And then like he mentioned something about like a memorial fund,
and the guy's like, yeah, we will fund a memorial
for him. And this ends up being funded by the
Parker Foundation and it's like years and years this goes

(01:01:22):
on and they were funding like science for the school
or whatever. But then years later, Calvin is in a
chemistry magazine for his science and the Parker Foundation people
get pissed and like call the bishop and they're like,
what the fuck He wasn't actually dead, so they stop
funding the memorial, and the bishop obviously doesn't want to
tell Wakely any of this when he calls, so he's

(01:01:44):
just like, no, that kid's dead. So then Wakeley calls
it again later and pretends to be like a donor
and he's like, I want to donate to your boys' home,
but like I work for this like rich person, and
they only want to donate to like the home that
Calvin Evans lived in. And so eventually the bishop is like, yes,
he was here. We can prove it. We had his
memorial like going here until it stopped being funded by

(01:02:07):
the Parker people, and so the Minister's like sick, thanks,
and so he tells Madeline this and she's like okay,
but that doesn't make sense because they funded the memorial
before he died like that, like it was the memorial
existed fifteen years before he died, and Wakeley's like, well,
maybe it was just for like a past resident.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Well he's like maybe. He's like the probably didn't call
it memorial back when he was alive, which fair I
mean fair, Yeah, can get the whole history of the name.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, but also he didn't like become famous until like
fifteen years later, so it's like, but whatever. And then
he gives Madeline the address of the Parker Foundation people
and he's like, maybe you can ask them. I don't know,
and she's like, cool, I have faith that this is
going to work out, and he's like faith's religion and
she's like, no, not really, and I'm like this child

(01:02:55):
is too smart, and so they leave whatever six point
thirty mean, because we also get the dog's point of view,
because like he's a genius, so we should. He's been
watching Elizabeth's show every night, as he should. Also, we
didn't mention six thirty is really smart, and Elizabeth at
one point tells Cavilyn she's like, oh, dogs, the average

(01:03:15):
dog knows this many words, and I think six thirty
knows more. So she's been teaching six thirty a bunch
of words and like writes down all the words that
he knows, and so like, bro knows like nine hundred
words at this point or so. She says, a lot
of people don't believe her, but like he does know them.
He's so smart he's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Say the boy people have said the same thing before.
They're like this horse nose, how to count? That was fake?
So I'm skeptical.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Okay, but remember Harriet was also skeptical, and then they
were like, where's Mad's yo yo or whatever? And guess
we brought it fucking sixty thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
But you know yoyo's are ball shaped.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Okay, Well, he also knows how to hitchhike a ride
to the to the fucking studio.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
He's I was saying, I got is shoes with the
dog and the book.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I can't believe you doubt six thirty when we literally
get his point of views.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
With me, I have issues with that, but we'll continue.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Hater whatever six thirty has been watching, and since he's
a retired police dog trainer dude, not trainer, but whatever,
he was in the forest for a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
He's noticed in he was a military dog. He was
never a cop.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
It's true, he would never be a pig. He was
in the military. Okay. He notices that there's a couple
of people in the audience that don't clap, and so
he's like, oh, suspicious because he knows people are mad
at Elizabeth for not believing in God because he understands that,
and so he hitches a rid to the studio one
night and then pretends to pass out in the parking lot,

(01:04:43):
so security carries him inside and gives him water, and
then he just finds Elizabeth and she's like, this is
my dog, and he becomes part of the show. Walter
doesn't like this because he's a hater, but the audience
loves six thirty because everyone loves dogs show.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I mean, like it's fine because she's not like in
a he stands there. I know, but I'm just like,
there are places that animals are not allowed to be within,
you know, some legal parameters, and also some people are
allergic to dogs. People have reason for not allowed dogs
in every single space.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Okay, Sidney's the hater on this episode. What I'm ever
saying all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
These people are valid for their issues with the dog
being everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
He's not trying to be reasonable.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
He's a good boy, But I'm just saying there's a
reason why not every place allows dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Well, here's the reason why six point thirty should be
allowed in the studio audience. One day, he's watching the
audience and he knows his non clapper so he walks
out to the crowd and he goes up to the
non clapper and this is some pissed off lady with
thin lips, and he's staring at her and he smells
nitro glycerine and he knows from his military school that

(01:05:52):
that's a bomb and it makes loud noises, which he hates.
So he's terrified because as we know, he hates loud noises.
But he's like, I have to I have to say Elizabeth.
So he somehow steals this lady's purse with the bomb
in it and then just puts it on the desk
of the security guard, leaves it there. That's it. Security
guard finds this bag on his desk, opens it, finds
a bomb, calls the police, YadA YadA, and then a

(01:06:14):
reporter comes to do a story on it, and it's
the same reporter that covered Calvin's funeral. He notices a
dog and was like, I know that dog. Whatever. The
security guard is like, I didn't do anything. I just
found this purse on my desk. And everyone was like,
oh my god, you're so modest. You saved lives today.
You're such a big deal, and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
The like going on, how'd you know, and he's like, literally,
it was just here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Okay, it's here, that's it. I didn't do anything. Yeah,
And then the reporter asks about six thirty. He's like,
why is there a dog here? And Walter's like, oh,
he's just a dog. He does nothing, and six thirty's
little heart breaks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Okay, I don't know what he did. He's just he's
a dog. They didn't see him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Thankfully, nothing else happens with that besides six point thirty
being hurt by Walters like dismissal, but whatever, It's fine.
So time passes. Walter and Amanda have started coming over
to hang out and like have dinner, and Walter is
secretly really into Harriet, even though he knows that she's
still unhappily married. But while he's over one night, he

(01:07:15):
mentions to Elizabeth that Life magazine wants to interview her,
and she's like, no, I want my personal life to
stay private, but like, Harriet kind of convinces her to
do it. So the reporter comes to like one of
her shows, and he's like sitting in the audience, like
watching her, and like during one of the commercial breaks
or something, he turns to the lady next to him
and he's like, hey, why do you like this show?

(01:07:36):
Separate six is what it's called. I don't know if
we've said that, And the audience member is like, I
feel seen. I'm treated like a person, Like it's really cool,
and he's like, oh, you don't like the cooking, and
all the women around him turn and collectively roll their eyes.
And after the show he starts talking to Elizabeth, but
he's just asking her really dumb questions about like her

(01:07:57):
hair and her outfits, and she's not having it because
she's like, I'm a scientist. I'm doing science. So she
like almost walks out on the interview, but then she
like ends up taking the reporter and his photographer like
to her house to see her lab aka kitchen, and
the reporter is really confused by this, but like she
makes him coffee and like the most scientific, unnecessary extra

(01:08:17):
ass way possible with like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah, she does the same time to make coffee, what
the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
But it is in flasks and pressure and stuff, but it's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
My god, this is so amazing and I'm like truly unnecessary.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Truly unnecessary, but it's the best cup of coffee he's
ever had because he doesn't even like coffee, but he's
like this is so good. And meanwhile Elizabeth is telling
him about all the studying she did at Hastings, the
big research she does, like she's just like being herself
talking about science and stuff she's telling him about, like
he sees the rowing machine. He asks about that, she

(01:08:51):
talks about rowing, and she's like a lot of women
row now because one time, because since she mentioned rowing
on her show, women all over America are rushing to row.
It's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Now the next morning rowing pat and they're like, we
did not have room for all these women. Where did
they come from?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Didn't know women liked to do things? Yeah, And then
even though he's specifically told not to, the reporter ends
up asking me about Calvin, even though like they were
having a great, wonderful interview, and so Elizabeth shuts down,
which is what he was told would happen if she
was asked about Calvin. And even the photographer like rolls
his eyes and it's like you fucking asshole, and he
like leaves because he's like I'm not getting any more pictures,

(01:09:30):
like bitch just ruined it. And so Elizabeth is kind
of silent for a while, and then she's like, oh,
you want to know about Calvin, like not me, And
he's like, well, I looked up your credentials and like
you went to UCLA, but you like didn't even get
your masters. And she's like, well, did you look up
Calvin's credentials and he's like no, like I know him obviously,
and she's she gets pissed and she's like, oh, okay,

(01:09:52):
you want to know about my relationship with Calvin. Fine,
and she just tells him everything, like she tells him
like her crazy family backstory, cal It's crazy backstory, how
they got together, the illegitimate child, like everything she's not
supposed to tell him she tells him. But luckily, this
man realized how fucking cool she is, so when he leaves,

(01:10:13):
he's like, I'm gonna keep all her secrets. I'm just
gonna write about how great she is, how cool her
show is, Like get why bitches are so obsessed with her?
So he writes this big, long article about how cool
she is, and his editor hates it, and so he
uses like the first introductory paragraph, which like originally talks
about how smart she is, and then they change it

(01:10:35):
to say how hot she is instead, because you know,
sex sells. And then the rest of the article is
written by a different slummy reporter who goes and interviews.
He goes and talks to her dad in prison, and
her dad says she's a demon spawn. He talks to
her old boss at Hastings Dannetti or whatever, and he's like, oh, luscious, Lizzie,

(01:10:57):
she was dumb. She was just a lab deck she was.
She didn't even do anything. He goes and talks to
her UCLA professor who assaulted her, and he is like, oh,
she's just some dumb boy, hungry girl, like so stupid,
no wonder she didn't complete her degree. And she talks
to Mad's old teacher and that teacher talks mad shit

(01:11:18):
on single mother, stupid, and then gives a copy of
the family tree, which has like Walter's on the family
tree because like he's part of their family, but like
people think that he's on there because Elizabeth is sleeping
with her boss. So like it's a fucking mess. It's
like total like cheap, cheap reporting.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
But the editor of Life used to work for TMZ.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, basically yeah, and so that magazine sells out instantly,
like it's sound like hotcakes. The show becomes even more
popular because of all the hot gossip was revealed, but
like Elizabeth is stressed about it, like it's not a
fun time. And on the next episod sort of Separate six,
she makes brownies because originally she was gonna make something

(01:12:03):
else and then she's like, nope, we're making brownies, like
that's what I make when I'm upset. And Harriet and
Mad are watching this, and Harriet like she like goes
to I think she's like gonna go talk to Elizabeth
or something, and she like tells Mad. She's like, don't
open the door, don't answer the phone, like I'll be back.
But then there's a knock on the door and it's Wakely,

(01:12:24):
so like you know, Mad answers the door and he's like, hey,
I just wanted to like check on you, and she's
like I'm fine because like he read the article and
she read the article and she's like they lied him out,
my mom, because like I forget exactly how it happened.
But like the the guy who wrote the article, he
left the original copy of the article like on their

(01:12:46):
front front door, on the door steps whatever, and like
Mad found it and ended up reading it, and like
she read like the article that went out and the
article that was supposed to go out. So she's like
really upset because she's like, I know, my mom is smart,
my mom's a scientist. Like this is fucked up basically,
and Wakey is like, yeah, it is fucked up. Like

(01:13:08):
I'm really sorry. That's why I want to like check
on you and YadA YadA. But then Elizabeth comes home,
Wakey's still there. He tries to leave and like apologize.
He's like, I'm Mad's friend. We met at the library
and met. Matd is like yeah, he helped me with
the family tree stuff. And Elizabeth is like, we've actually
met before because Wakely was the minister at Calvin's funeral,
so like they met at the funeral, even if like
they don't remember. And Matt is still talking about the

(01:13:31):
articles because she's like really upset about the article. She's
really sad. She's like it's wrong. My mom's a chemist,
like you know, and so she, uh, Wakely has that
the original article, and he like ends up giving it
to Elizabeth because she's like why are you so mad?
Like why are you so upset? Mad? And so she
reads the original article because she thought that the that

(01:13:52):
the reporter just betrayed her and wrote this super terrible article.
They don't know that he, you know, got fucked over.
And so she reads the original article that talks about
all her science and everything, and he like left a
note with it too, where he's like, I quit Life
magazine when they put out that article. Like I sent
my original article to ten different magazines and it was

(01:14:13):
all rejected. So now I'm going to some place called Vietnam,
which I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Was like a place called Vietnam, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Place called Vietnam. There's gonna be a school there, I guess,
so yeah. And also Mad learned from Wakeley's typist, Frask,
that Elizabeth lost her job at Hastings because she got
pregnant with Mad, and so she's like really upset about that,
and Elizabeth is like, who the fuck is this typist

(01:14:40):
and then she learns it's Frask, and she's like makes sense.
So then we backtracked to two days before when Mad
went by and met Frask, and like she gave her
the article that was left on the doorstep to give
to Wakely. I can't remember why exactly whatever, And in
that time, Frask told her, like because Mad was asking
like why Elizabeth st working at Hastings, And at first

(01:15:03):
Frask is like, oh, you know, she wanted to quit
because she was so excited to have you, and YadA YadA,
like she tries to sugarcoat it, but Matt is like, no,
what happened, and so eventually she's like, yeah, they found
out she's pregnant with you, and then she got fired
about it, and she kind of leaves out that it's
her fault and she got fired about it because she's
the one that spread that rumor instantly, but it wasn't
a rumor whatever instantly fired basically. So Mad's really upset

(01:15:27):
and when she hears what obviously gives Frask the envelope
with the article in it. Frask reads this before giving
it to Wakely and then gets pissed off that Elizabeth
had been misrepresented all this time, realizes that even she
was wrong about Elizabeth, like because she she's read the
Life article and like saw the stuff that Dannetti and
everything said, and she's like, nah, that's wrong, that's fucked up.

(01:15:50):
So she realizes that Elizabeth wasn't a gold licker basically,
and so she writes her own angry letter to Life
magazine and she's basically like, your fact check are sucked.
Like I worked with Elizabeth at Hastings. I have proof
that Denetti like stole her work, took credit for it.
Everyone took credit for her work, and that's why she left.
And like, y'all don't have the balls to publish this shit,

(01:16:13):
and then they put it in the next episode magazine whatever.
So a bunch of women end up writing in pissed
about this article about Elizabeth because they're like, this bitch
is more better than that. Y'all are lying, And so
Harriet tries to like tell this to Elizabeth because Elizabeth
is Hella depressed, and Harriet's like, no, like, you know,
people think this article is wrong, but like she's not listening,

(01:16:37):
and so like mad and Harry are really worried about
her because they can tell she is fucking depressed. And
one night, Wakeley and Elizabeth end up talking and she's
very depressed because she's talking about death because she's like,
I've been thinking about it. There's been a lot in
my life, you know, And then she tells him and
she also tells him about like when her brother died.

(01:16:57):
She's like, he committed suicide and Wakeley's like, okay, that's
like deep, but like that's not your fault. You know,
life sucks. These things happen. Suicide is complicated. And then
like she tells him, she's like, I read you in
Calvin's letters and Wakeley is like, he saved those letters
and she's like yeah, and he moved here because you
said the best weather was here, and Wakeley is like, well,

(01:17:19):
it's not the best weather for rowing. It doesn't get
nice until later in the day. And she's like he
didn't know that. And he's like, I can't believe he
moved here because of that. He's dead because of me,
and Elizabeth is like, no, he's dead because of me,
because of that leash man. So they bond and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
That cop doesn't look behind him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Right, They never blamed the cop who ran him over,
but whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
I'm like, the cop fully ranom man over.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
It's fine. And this is when we learn about the
secrets that Wakeley and Mad exchanged because Mad told him
her secret was there her dog knows nine hundred and
eighty one words, and he's like, that's a weird thing
to lie about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Wait, it is a weird thing Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
And his secret was that he doesn't believe in God,
which is like seems crazy, but it makes a lot
of sense with his character and the ship he's been
saying the whole book, because like he also only became
a minister because his like family is full of ministers,
so like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
It's like a family job. He doesn't, like, he doesn't believe.
He's obviously very chill. He's the best minister around, probably
because he doesn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
That's what I was thinking, is I'm like he's using
his his position to like educate people in like a
gentle way so they're not bigots. Basically, like, yeah, he's
making people better. And he's like because like at one point,
Mad asks him, She's like she knows people are mad
about her being illegitimate, and she's like, I know what
that means, but why do people care? And he's like,
it doesn't matter. I mean your parents weren't married when

(01:18:45):
you were born, Like that's all that it means. And
people get hung up on that, but it doesn't matter,
and I'm like, good job, weakly like you are, he's
a good the chill is dude, Yes, And so him
and Elizabeth keep talking talking, and he like tells her
because she's She says something about wanting to leave life

(01:19:06):
or something and he's like no, like you don't want
to leave life, like you want to get back into it.
And this kind of is like a wake up call
for her. This stunts her because she's like, you're right.
So later on she ends up going to Walter's house
and like knocks on the door. He opens the door
thinking it's an emergency. Who's also in his house fucking Harriet?
And Harriet is like what or not Harriet. Elizabeth is

(01:19:29):
like what and Harriet's like, oh my god, We're sorry,
like we were waiting until the divorce was finalized to
tell you about it. And Elizabeth is like, am I
that unobservant and they're like yes, And then she's like, okay,
well my news is not as like happy as yours.
Mine's like kind of depressing, maybe not, And she's like,

(01:19:49):
I'm quitting separate at six Tomorrow's my last show and they're.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Like what, no, but are Her boss is like bitch
tracked but yeah, like he doesn't even mentioned the contracts,
but I'd be like, damn girl, you really fucking over
this guy non stop.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
But he's kind of learned at this point. There's no
arguing with her, Like she's made her mind.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Of tolerant boss she could ever ask.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
For, right. And so the next day she starts to
show by being like, this is my last show, and
the audience like freaks out, and she's like, I gotta
go back to science man, and it's my friend Harriet
that gave me the courage to do that. And Harriet's
at home going, oh my god, that's me and oh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
No, they're gonna murder me for canceling this show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
And uh. Then she goes on to tell the audience.
She's like, hey, hey, I got good news, guys. I
want everyone to know that missus phyllis that bit she
wanted to be an open heart surgeon. She just finished
her pre mid studies in record time and she's been
accepted into medical school. And the crowd freaks because turns
out women can do shit and they can be scientists

(01:20:53):
and medical.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
School is super cheap apparently, but she's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Been easy if you're a woman. And then she's like, okay,
that's the end of intro to Chemistry class dismissed, which
I was like, that's cute. That's a cute way to end.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
It, which was Walter's idea, because she's like, they're like
not leaving it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yeah, She's like, they're not leaving and then she finally
reads a cute card.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
So everyone kind of expects her to get a lot
of job offers after this, since her show was so
freakishly popular, but she doesn't get any because she is
still being shunned by the science community because of that
you know, article that said she ain't shit and they
still trust men over women, so like, YadA YadA. So

(01:21:36):
she's still depressed, but thankfully her old episodes are like
giving her residuals, so she's still getting some money in.
But she's like, what the fuck am I going to do?
And Harriet decides to submit the real article about Elizabeth
to a magazine that actually wants to hear from women,
because it's they've been like, what's his face? Like he
sent it to a bunch of magazines, But Harriet's like,

(01:21:57):
I've read a lot of magazines. He's not sending it
to maggazines that care. We need to sell it to
like women based magazines because they're gonna care. But she
doesn't hear anything back, uh, and she thinks it's because
maybe she doesn't know magazines very well, but it's actually
because her lamex husband throws all her mail away because
she didn't forward her mail yet. So one day months later,

(01:22:19):
Harriet tells Elizabeth. She's like, hey, you got a call
from Hastings, like some bitch called and I told them
to go to hell. But it was someone named Frask,
And Elizabeth is like, Frask is Wakeley's typist, Like she
must be fucking with me. So she calls the number
back and she gets Frask's secretary, but then she gets
transferred to Frask and Frask is like, girl, I'm the
head of personnel at Hastings. Now like come by and

(01:22:41):
I'll explain everything. And so she's like what okay, So
she goes with six point thirty and Frask's receptionist is like,
oh my god, Elizabeth, please sign this book I'm reading
and I'm learning chemistry because of you, Like will you
sign my magazine as well? And Elizabeth is like, I'm
not going to sign no shitty life magazine and this
lady's like, no, it's a new magazine because bitch is

(01:23:03):
in Vogue now because the original article did get published
in Vogue and it actually like makes her look super
cool and smart. So she's like what And then she
goes and meets with Frask and Frask is like, I
want you to work here. You can have Calvin's lab,
and she's like, no, I don't want to work here.
You can't convince me. And then this dude Wilson and

(01:23:26):
this bitch Parker show up. Her name is Avery, I
just she's Avery Parker, but I just call her Parker.
And she's like, I'm from the Parker Foundation and you're
gonna want to listen to our pitch before you make
your decision. And she's like, nothing you say will convince
me to work here, but okay. And then donn Eddie
or whatever the fuck comes in and he's like, oh

(01:23:47):
my god, sorry, I was on vacation. If I knew
you were coming by, Parker, I would have like showed up.
But he's talking to Wilson because that's who he thinks
Parker is this whole time. But Parker is like, hey,
we didn't want you to know we were coming. By the way.
I'm Parker, Hello me the woman. Actually, nice to meet you.
Also you're fired because they like bought in a bunch
of the company sim they're like in charge. And she's like,

(01:24:11):
I know, you sold Elizabeth's work and took credit and
also that you pretended she was a man and that
she quit the job and all the terrible shit you
did basically, and we're giving Elizabeth your job and she
can decide if you stay or go or anything. And
so Elizabeth was like oo. And so she looks at
Donetti and tells him exactly what he told her when

(01:24:32):
she got fired, which is you're just not smart enough.
And I was like, har move, get it girl. So
Elizabeth is like, yes, some revenge finally, but then she
kind of thinks she realizes that this Parker Foundation is
the people that left Calvin at the orphanage. So she's like, oh,
they're trying to fuck with it more. They're trying to

(01:24:52):
get all this work. So they're trying to like bribe
me into this job to get all his work and
take credit for it. They bought the company to get
all this, you know. And so she's pissed and she's
like all cranky, and Parker is like, Okay, let's talk alone,
me and you and Elizabeth is like okay, and she's like,
you're trying to steal Calvin's work. I get it, and
Parker's like, no, Actually, here's my backstory. When I was seventeen,

(01:25:14):
I got pregnant and my parents sent me to a
school for pregnant girls, like a churchy thing whatever, and
I was forced to give birth alone because I refused
to sign away my baby, and I was in labor
for twenty four hours and then they actually like put
me under, and when I woke up, they told me
my baby died and I asked to see the body
and they wouldn't let me. And then ten years later,

(01:25:36):
a nurse called me and said that my baby did live,
but it was sent away for adoption, because that's what
they did with all the teen mom babies. And she
was like, that's when I started the journey to find
my son Calvin. And that's when she had sent like
Wilson to the boys home to like you know, cause
Elizabeth is like, why didn't you try to find him?
And she's like, girl, I did. I sent Wilson there

(01:25:57):
and he was told that Calvin was dead, So then
I funded the education. Did that Parker found like memorial
Foundation thing, and I told him to spend it on
science because I don't someone liked science. I don't remember.
And they all learned rowing because of that too, and
Elizabeth is like, oh my god, he ended up in
Cambridge because of're rowing, and Parker is like, oh my god,
I didn't know that, and then Parker is like, yeah,

(01:26:20):
I get Like she basically tells Elizabeth that she was
the one funding all her like scientific research because she
is also a woman that had a lot of issues
doing anything being a woman. And so like the whole
Parker Foundation thing, like Wilson is like the frontman of it,
and everyone thinks that he's Parker, but she's actually the

(01:26:41):
one in charge, and they it's you know, they like
fake it out so it seems like a man's in
charge basically because no one would believe a woman could
do anything. And yeah, so she thought Calvin was dead
that whole time when she was funding the memorial, and
then she saw him on the cover of a science magazine.
Stop funding the memorial since he wasn't dead, and then
started writing to him trying to get him to like

(01:27:03):
meet up with her, and so like she was like,
I knew he probably wouldn't believe me and think I
was a fake relative or whatever. So I just wrote
to him saying I wanted to fund his research because
I thought it would be an end for that for
just like communication. But then he just like ignored me
the whole time. And Elizabeth is like, okay, but why
didn't you just like go try to meet with him
and everything. And Parker's like, girl, that maybe would have

(01:27:25):
worked when he was a kid, but not as a
full grown adult, like you can't just like I wanted
to ease into the relationship, but then he died, so
like obviously that didn't work. And then she's like, I
was also at the funeral because I wanted to see
like who knew my son, like who loved him, And
I thought you were like his partner, but then you
like walked away right at the end of the funeral,
and I thought you didn't really like him and you

(01:27:46):
were a gold digger. And Elizabeth is like, well, you're wrong,
because he was my everything. We were soulmates, and then
she starts sobbing and to prick her shoulders, so they
like bond over that, and then Parker is like, I
found you because your daughter wrote me a letter and
I thought that was fake, but she knew so many
details that I hired a private investigator to look into

(01:28:07):
it and it was legit. So like here we are
and Elizabeth is like, what, like what happened to Calvin's dad?
What's his deal? And she's like, well, we met and
fell in love instantly and he ended up dying of tuberculosis.
But yeah, and then she's like, also, I have to
leave tonight because I didn't expect all this to happen,
so I wasn't planning on staying that long. But Elizabeth

(01:28:29):
is like, you got to come over for dinner and
meet the whole family. So like that's like the end.
But then my book had like a little epilogue. I
don't know if yours did.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
I did not have an epilogue.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
It wasn't like it said. It was like it was
like this is limited to this edition, extra material, and
basically what it was was it went back to Calvin
and Elizabeth, like after they first kissed, she invited him
over to her apartment, which was like a studio apartment,
because she was like, I'm hungry, do you want to eat?
So she invites him over because she's too poor to
buy food, and so so she's going to cook him

(01:29:01):
a home cooked meal. I'm pretty sure he just made
She just made him caramelized onions. I think that's the
whole meal she made, because that's all she talks about,
cooking his onions, and like she's like cooking them for
a really long time, which you know that takes a
while with caramelized onions. And then it's like he thinks
she's like burning it because there's a lot of like
bubbling and smoke and stuff, and it's like really awkward

(01:29:21):
because they're not talking, and you know, she's just sitting
there cooking for forty five minutes, and he's like sitting
on her bed because it's a studio apartment so that's
really the only place he can sit. And they're both
overthinking everything, and they're overthinking the kiss because it was
both of their first kisses because they're both little virgin nerds.
And then she serves him the onions, I guess, and

(01:29:43):
he's like, wow, these are delicious, and then she's like, yeah,
I had a problem with the city, so I did
this and this, and he's like, well you should have
done this and this, and she's like no, actually, so
then they get in a fight about cooking onions, and
then he kisses her and then they practice kissing all
night the end.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
After eating only onions.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Interesting, after eating onions, I don't know if there was
more to that this. She only talked about onions, and
I was like, is that what the sixties the fifties
feel like? You just eating onions?

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Okay, anyways, back to this, uh oh, this guy kind
of pretty high reviews. Honestly, we've been getting some low
ones lately, but.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
It was the best.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Are you not bad?

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Agree? Okay? First one, absolutely insufferable. This didn't actually get
I could fin anyone stars.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
This was a no star but ballad. Yeah, this book
was fine, wasn't good, wasn't terrible, but did not need
to be four hundred pages long. Two point five stars.
I mean, I don't know, I didn't think it was bad.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Yeah, this one I kind of agree with. Okay, enjoy
the subject matter, but found the whole dog narrative kind
of annoying. Three stars.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
I mean, you're wrong, but whatever, I guess some of
it was too millennial for me. Four stars. Bitch, what
what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
I don't know? Okay, fantastic, feminist and fun, five stars
feminist and fun.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
I mean, yeah, you got it there, Okay, our be Estians. Okay,
so here's the thing. Do you think Elizabeth would be
super annoying? And here's my little follow up and see
if you agree to this. Did she also remind you
of Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory?

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
I never watched The Big Bank Theory really, but do
get that vibe? Yeah? No, I hate her. I don't
like her. I think she's so annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
It God, the fucking sodium chloride Like.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
That is my whole final thoughts is that this bitch sucks. Like, yeah,
I don't want to be mirror her.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
It's like, I get it, you're super smart and I
really appreciate that, but you don't have to be so
extra about it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
No, as fuck, she's like trying to like okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Like you love the confidence, but like, holy shit, girl.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
No, that's the goes to my next question. Would you
watch your show? Because I feel like it's sort of sacked?

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Okay, but I guess you have to think of it
as a nineteen fifties sixties housewife. Who I mean, if
you are underappreciated and everything, I could see how that
would be exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
But the second she's giving me the compound and said
the name for fucking vinegar, just tell me vinegar, also vinegar,
not specific enough, red wine vinegar, white vinegar.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
What typic kind? Well, maybe she gave the specific one,
but yeah, I don't Yeah, I don't know, because I
guess if you're looking at it as nineteen sixties fifties
housewife that has nothing to do all day, this may
be an exciting show because it's a woman going, hey,
you do do hard work. Those men in your life
are stupid and wrong, like they do work, but so

(01:32:53):
do you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
I do love that, but I don't love that people
I would be annoyed. Why are they treating this? Why
are they taking note? Why is all these people so
interested in this? I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
I can see both sides of it, I think, because
I mean, if it's your first time being like seen
as a woman, I think you might be like, fuck, yeah,
I can get into this. But also, I mean there
were plenty of people also that didn't like her, probably
for a lot of those reasons too, where it's like
this self absorbed bitch thinks she knows everything and like
is ruining it for the rest of us or like whatever,

(01:33:26):
you know. Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
I also think that she doesn't understand that a lot
of women do have jobs outside the home too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Well, and like she is like at this time. There
are a lot of points where like when she first
gets with Calvin, like he doesn't give a shit that
she's a woman. He's just like, there should be more
women's scientists, YadA YadA, And she's like, yeah, why do
you think there aren't? Though it's because of men? Like what?
And he's like, oh shit, I never thought of that.
So it's like I.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Get it, but also I feel like she well that
way to my last question to get into that about her.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Okay, well, were you also worried that six thirty was
gonna die? I'm gonna assume not, since you apparently hated him.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Didn't hate six thirty? I hated that we got sometimes
his point of view. My problem with this thing is
that this book just the point of view, which is
like everywhere, like it's just no rules, no whatever, everyone's
point of view, different sentences, different point of view.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
But I get that, yeah, that can be. I didn't
bother me in this one. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
It's It wasn't like badly done. It just was very
noticeable to me. But I know I did also think
he was going to die because I felt like he
was going to die trying to save.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
The kid or something right well, and like, yeah, especially
during all that, which also like when Calvin was still alive,
he was worried that Elizabeth was gonna die because he
was like, I'm cursed everyone I love dies. But I
was like, he's gonna die. And then I was like,
the dog is gonna die. I was really glad the
dog didn't die, But I was also like, how old
is this dog? Because Madaline is at least sick by

(01:35:00):
the end of it, and they got the dog at
least a year before Calvin died, and we don't know
how old he was.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
He probably wasn't super old because.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
He's at least like seven, but I guess he's like
some kind of mutt, and we all know mutts do
live longer, So.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Yeah, I say he's probably has a couple more years
at least, I hope. I'm sure he has a pretty
healthy lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
I loved six point thirty. I loved his point of view.
I wanted more of it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Well, it's just this isn't a book from the dog's
point of you know, it's just too many points of
no no rules.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Yeah, there were no rules. You get everyone's point of view,
literally everyone's point of view.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Yeah, okay, but thinking of everyone, what character? Did you
want more info on Wakeley Walter or Frask?

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
That's rough mm hmm. I'm surprised you didn't. I would
want I mean Calvin too. I think Calvin would.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Have a lot of Calvin backstory, get.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
A lot of Calvin. There's only so much you can
get from him.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Let me say Frask because would be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
But because she does have that meat girl bitchy background
that like, she grows a lot, and it's like, I
think hers would be really good too, because I get
why she became such a bitch and it's like for
her to grow past that too. I'm like, good for her.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Yeah, she's also like literally a psychology student who was
working she wanted to get like her doctorate.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
But yeah, I also think Wakey would be really fun,
same because I think he has a lot of really
good thoughts. Dude, Yeah, did you also kind of want
her to get like a science show? Like I expected
her to get a science show. I wanted her to
be like Bill Nye but weird.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Well, she could never do what Bill Nida is because
she's not fun. But like you know, I think she
just hated being on like she was on TV just
as like a way to get money. But I don't
think she actually wants to be teaching.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
And she didn't like being in the public eye. Yeah,
I don't know. I think it could have been fun.
She wouldn't have ever been able to teach what she wanted, but.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Yeah, I feel like the only way people would watch
a science show really would be for like if it's
like a Bill and I for kids, Like that's kind
and she wouldn't have wanted to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
No, she wouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Okay, is Elizabeth a girl's girl or no?

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
I just don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
I think she Thinkay, well you have to think of it. Also,
it was a different world back then Sydney, so I
mean back then a little looser term than what we
got now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Is a feminist, but I think she's one of those
feminists who like she does admit that, like, okay, like
stay at home moms and stuff, they have a hard job,
like it's not like nothing. She doesn't like hate stity
at home moms, but I feel like if she, I
don't okay, I just feel like she looks down upon

(01:37:51):
like the teacher and stuff, like women who are bitch,
Like these women are assholes, but she doesn't acknowledge that
they're also part of the same system and that they're
I feel like she doesn't want to help women who
are also dicks. Like she's very specific about her.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Yeah, she'll she'll support women that are on like her side,
but she's not gonna see past like their back, Like
if her and Frask hadn't had that like meltdown in
the bathroom together, like she never would have given that bitch. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Like I feel like she doesn't have empathy for women
in general. Like she has empathy for women in like theory,
but not like all women that she meets.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
She has the empathy of women have to work harder
to get anywhere and like they're underappreciated and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Yeah, like if she saw a woman like taking an
easy route, she would hate her for it and not
be like was doing what she has to to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Yeah, because like she does all that weird.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
She wouldn't be a supportive of sex workers. I feel
like she wouldn't be supportive of like lifestyles that she
doesn't think are worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Yeah, I could see that, so I'll put her as
a maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
I just feel like she's not all in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
You know, I don't think she's all in. I could.
I could definitely see that, And also like she is
a little selfish at times, which it's like, can't blame
her for it. Everyone is yeah, fave quotes. I think
I have like five or six.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Yeah, I have like five.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Oh, I have eight apparently, so I guess i'll start.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
My first one is on page ten. It's just the
way she talks. I think is really funny. So oh,
this one's about Calvin, page ten. This is about his
friends being surprised he can't get dates. I can't believe
you're having trouble. He's Cambridge teammates would tell him girls
love rowers, which wasn't true. And even though you're an American,

(01:39:51):
you're not bad looking, which also was not true.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
They did just call that man ugly all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
They're like you ugly.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
Okay. My first one is on page five, but this
is Elizabeth talking a man can make lunch, mister Pine,
it's not biologically impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
She's not wrong. Okay. My next one is on page
seventy one. Oh, this is someone being mad about her
and Calvin's relationships because this bro's relationship not great. He
and Edith were a team the way couples were meant
to be a team, not by sharing hobbies like rowing,

(01:40:31):
for fuck's sake, but in the way their sex is
deemed socially and physically appropriate. He brought home the bacon,
she pumped out the babies. It was a normal, productive,
God approved marriage. Did he sleep with other women? What
a question, didn't everyone?

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Yike, I mean I think that's Dunnetti or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Yeah, okay, this is her rant about name changes, which
I did just find. Really okay, our future happiness is
not depend on whether or not we're married, Calvin, at
least not to me. I'm fully committed to you. Marriage
will not change the page fifty two. Yeah, marriage will

(01:41:11):
not change that. As for who thinks that, it's not
just a handful of people, it's society, particularly the Society
of scientific research. Everything I do will suddenly being your
name as if you've done it. In fact, most people
will assume you've done it simply because you're a man,
especially because you're Calvin Evans. I don't want to be
another Maliva Einstein or esther Widerbird. I don't know, Calvin.

(01:41:36):
I refused. Even if we took all proper legal steps
to ensure my name won't change, it will still change.
Everyone will call me missus Calvin Evans. I will become
missus Calvin Evans. Every Christmas card, every bank statement, every
notice from the Bureau of Internal Revenue will all come
to mister and missus Calvin Evans Elizabeth as we know
where we'll cease to exist. Like, that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Wrong, He's not wrong. Yeah, she has a very good
point with all of that. That's the thing. Like, Okay,
my next page is on one or quote is on
page one. Sixteen. Oh, this is Calvin's tombstone, which is
so funny. So here's what it reads. It says Calvin
Evans nineteen twenty seven and nineteen fifty five, brilliant chemist,

(01:42:21):
rower friend, lover, your days are numbered. The tombstone was
supposed to have read, your days are numbered. Use them
to throw open the windows of your soul to the sun.
A quote from Marcus Aurelius. But the tombstone was small,
and the engraver had made the first part too big,
and it'd run.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Out of room, which is the most relatable thing I've
ever heard iconic. So it's too long. A quote for
a tombstone is very long.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Also, at one point I took a note that just
said respute and mentioned surprised you didn't notice Sydney or
say anything.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Oh I did notice that they mentioned rescuting, but I
did not note it. I'm sorry, thanks, man, Okay, okay.
My next is of page one thirteen. Pregnancy is a
normal condition. It's not disgraceful. It's how every human being starts.
How dare you he said, his voice rising a woman
telling me what pregnancy is? Who do you think you are?
She seems surprised by the question. A woman? She said,

(01:43:18):
how imagining man? Like, how dare a woman tell me
about pregnancy? What? I'm sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
I do love when like people ask her that kind
of shit and she's like a woman, or she's like,
I'm Elizabeth Zaat and I'm like, girl.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
I'm sorry, I'm the pregnant one, Like what hello?

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
My next one is on page two thirty one. Slash
two thirty two. Ah, this is Harriet telling talking with
Matt about it's the school family tree thing. You know
plenty about your father. Harriet said, for instance, you know
your father's parents, your grandparents were killed by a train
when he was young, and that he went that he
went to live with his aunt until she hit a tree,

(01:43:59):
and then he went to live in a I forget
the name, but it sounded girlish. And that your father
had a godmother of swords, although godmothers aren't family true material. Okay,
thanks Harriet, very helpful.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
May she gives Smith though. Okay, apparently all my codes
are just things that relate to me right now. So
page one thirty one, and this is the doctor talking
about pregnancy. It's just that we tend to treat pregnancy
as the most common condition in the world, as ordinary
as stubbing a toe, when the truth is it's like
getting hit by a truck, although obviously a truck causes
less damage.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
You know, I figured you'd relate to the pregnancy things
for obvious reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
What obvious reasons you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
What are you talking about? I just ate a basketball
actual Yeah, Okay, My next one is on page two
ninety three. This is a great quote about religion. In
nineteen sixty people didn't go on television and say they
didn't believe in God and expect to be on television
much longer. As proof, Walter's phone was soon with threats

(01:45:00):
from sponsors and viewers who wanted Elizabeth Zott fired, jailed,
and or stone to death. The latter came from self
proclaimed people of God, the same God that preached tolerance
and forgiveness. Some classic shit.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
My last page is on three sixty five. My last
quote's on page three sixty five. What was it? You
know what? I don't know. I don't know what quote
I wanted from that one? Stay out, no more last quote.
That's it. It's already done.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Is your book a former library book? Yeah, so's mine.
That's funny. Mine's doesn't. Mine's just beers has a better cover,
but whatever yours is hardcover. I mean. Anyways, my I
think I have two more. We'll see if I want
to do both of them. My next one is about
Walter hating six point thirty. You'll probably relate to this quote,

(01:45:51):
page three twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
It's thirty. I just don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
It's his point of view a dog on a cooking show.
What does the dog do exactly? Walter hesitated, nothing, he admitted,
but as the words hung in the air, he suddenly
felt awful. From across the room, six thirty's eyes met his.
He wasn't a dog person, but even Walter could see
the mutt was crushed.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
I mean, okay, yeah, but like he don't just say that,
Tom sud Be. He doesn't do anything on the show.
It's not like he's helping out.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Wow. Okay. My last quote is page three twenty three.
This is when the reporters and the audience talking to
the audience members. So during one of the advertising breaks,
he turned to the woman next to him, if you
don't mind me asking, he asked, politely, showing his credentials,
what is it you like about the show being taken seriously?

(01:46:42):
Not the recipes? She looked back incredulously. Sometimes I think
she said slowly that if a man were to spend
a day being a woman in America, he wouldn't make
it past noon. Like that's such a hard ass quote.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Yeah, A lot of people put that in their reviews.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
That quote.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
It it's a good one. Okay, final thoughts. I didn't Okay,
I liked this book. It might not sound like it.
It was entertaining. I read it pretty quickly. But I
did hate Elizabeth. She does have a tragic life. A
lot of awful shit has happened to her. Not talking
like obviously, but she's pretentious and I would hate to
know her. I'm sorry. She would drive me fucking nuts.

(01:47:21):
I would not want to be friends with her.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Like, just imagine talking to someone they keep calling shit
I get chemical compounds and not just saying salt. Yeah,
if someone was like, oh, I was like, could you
pass the sodium? Court, No, bitch, just call assault. I'm
not doing I'm not talking to you anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
You know. I think Jimmy Neutron did that on his
TV show and people got mad at him for it too,
as they like.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
We get it, you know, chemistry great, and it isn't
her for people to know what salt is. But also
if I'm trying to get a recipe from someone and
they don't just call the ingredients by the name, like,
I would never talk to that person again. Imagine being like, oh,
what'd you put in this? And they're just like listening
off compounds, bitch, want I supposed to go to fucking
hours since to find that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
No, they're gonna be able to help me find that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
Okay, annoying, and you know, shees is weird whack ass measurement.
She's not doing cups, She's doinging mill leaders and shit,
fuck off with your beakers. Do I love the feminism? Yes,
of course. I like that she admitted being an atheist
on TV. That's fun, and that she had respect for
women who were stay at home moms. But also she
was a cult leader and that's sash not her fault,

(01:48:23):
but she was. And I'm like, would Martha Sewart get
a whole bunch of women to go rowing in the
middle like the morning? Maybe, but maybe not. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Maybe in her prime.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
I don't know, in her prime. But those bitches be
woking up at like three am to go rowing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Just because some bitch on TV said too.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
Yeah, crazy psycho, Psycho.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Yeah. I liked this book. It was really fun. It
was like an easy fun read. It was obviously a
bit nerdy. I agree Elizabeth annoyed me at points because
like she is Sheldon from Big Bang Theory kind of.
And I also wouldn't be able to stand her being
like phinnium chloride and all that, like that shit. Hated it.
It's not that serious, like just say salt. Okay, she

(01:49:04):
obviously I loved her messages. She had good messages for
like bitches in America. And I'd like to think that
she started a crazy revolt of housewives. I think that'd
be fun, but probably not. Yeah, I don't know. She
never gave up when dudes were fucking with her. She
wasn't scared of people, and I appreciated that she was
a strong independent lady for the most part. So like,

(01:49:26):
good for her on that part. Just work on not
being so pretentious. Maybe great dog Love the Dog six
thirty is my favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Let's say six thirty is a bad dog. I'm just
saying that his point of view was just throwing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Loved his point of view. That was my favorite part
of the book.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Whatever. Yeah, So if you liked this episode, listen to
her other books that have less to do with chemistry
but probably still to do with feminism. I don't know,
we got a lot. You can find those wherever you
listen to podcasts, And while you're there, you should give
us a little five review.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Uh are you not gonna see what we're reading next week?

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Oh yeah, also next week because this this is my
my month people. Next next week we are going to
be reading Howell's Moving Castle, which is by Diana Wynne Jones.
I'm excited to read that because I saw the movie
for the first time last year and I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
What's an old book? And it was very popular, so
I'm skeptical, but yeah, stay tuned for that. You can
find us on Instagram at Bookolt podcast, on TikTok at
book called pod, and online at bookoll pod dot WordPress
dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Yeah, so thanks for listening.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
You're now part of Elizabeth School. I guess bitch is
why are you going rowing in the middle?

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Why are you going roun bitch? No takesies back seats
except for the sodium chlorid part. Please take that back,
please

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
It's so annoying.

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