230-Just Like Mother

Come and experience the joys of Motherhood with us! Today we are talking about Just Like Mother by Anne Heltzel. If you also love a female cult leader, creepy dolls, and a very weird version of the conservative love of forcing women to have children then this is the book for you!

WARNING: Death of a child, murder, sexual assualt, forced pregnancy, child abuse, self harm

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, I'm Sydney and I'm Delainey and this is book
cult today. I am talking about just like Mother by
Anne Heltsoul. I don't know, sounds German.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Intrigued by the name already, And to celebrate the joys
of motherhood.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm drinking strawbery case.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh my god, had shocking. I'm drinking coffee also.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Shocking, shocking, so unlike you.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Wow, she'd have been drinking something spookyer. But whatever. Anyways,
fun facts not a lot. This is just straight from
Girl's website. So Anne is mainly a ghostwriter. She's written
like a bunch of other books under pseudonyms, and I
think I read some more though. This is like her
first adult book, and she does a lot of kids
stuff like Hya. She moved and yeah, she moved to

(00:56):
New York in two thousand and six to get her
MFA and then she got a job as editor at
Literary Agency and is now the editorial director at Abram's Books,
where she works mainly in the children's division. That's sick, yeah,
so good for her living the dream. Yeah, Okay, let's
get into it. We start with the prologue. Mave is
eating soup with her cousin crazy. There are other kids,

(01:20):
but they're still eating mother's milk yankes gross and mother
with a lazy eye rude is watching to make sure
that they're eating all of their food. They can hear
something like scratching in the other room, and when they're
done eating, a little boy comes in and may Have
gives them some bread, and her cousin Andrea is like,
oh my god, why are you so nice to boys?
That's like gross, He's like a toddler. And they asked

(01:43):
mother with the lazy if they could go pick weeds outside,
and she's like, yeah, go for it, because they have
to always be doing something productive. So the godside and
mother with the long blonde hair, who is nicest to
them and also looks most like them, is out there
doing laundry. And past the garden is the woods they're
not allowed to go into. But Andre like, we should
totally go into the woods, and maybe' is like that.
So they run into the woods and Andrea is ahead

(02:05):
and May friends her like sitting on a walk and
she sits next to her, but Andrea is being weird.
Andrada like starts attacking Mabe and like calling out her
face and she's calling her Bloody Mary, and Mabe is like,
if this is a joke, it's not funny, please stop,
because she's getting fullyd like she's bleeding, her face is bleeding.
Andrea's attacking her, but Andrea won't stop, so Mab runs
off to get help because she's like, can't be a joke.

(02:29):
So she tells the mother is what happened, and the
blonde one tells lazy I that she should have mentioned
Bloody Mary around the kids, and she's like, looky, you
freak them out. But they run to go get Andrea
out of the woods. Andrea she's already coming out on
her own and she's like, oh my god, I'm just joking,
Like you are such a bitch for running off. So
now MAV is in trouble for going into the woods
and then also for leaving Andrea into the woods by herself,

(02:50):
so she got in trouble for leaving. She's literally bleeding
from her injuries that Andrea gave her. But they walk
her in a closet anyways because they don't like fuck you.
And on the other side of the closet is the
scratching that they heard earlier and earlier They're like, maybe
it's a puppy they got us, But it no longer
sounds like it could be a puppy. It is a
lot more intense. Andrea comes to the closet, is like, hey,

(03:10):
I can't open the door, but like, I forgive you
for breaking your promise to always be there for me
and for like leaving me in the woods, like don't worry,
We're cool. Maybe is thankful to be forgiven. And I'm like,
m Andrea is good. Please used to blind but whatever,
that's kind of on.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Her gaslighting, but whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Andrea sticks her finger under the door and may ps
onto it because she's scared of the dark and and claustrophobic,
so grap in the closet. Then the noises on the
other side of the closet gets really violent, so it
starts stinging to dreadin out and they sing this song
that they always sing together, and they like hear the
sound of like something breaking down, like the wall, essentially

(03:48):
like somebody's trying to break down the wall. Cut to
May modern day. She lived in New York City, works
from home in a tiny little apartment. She spent most
of her life trying to find her cousin Andrea after
they were all taken from the cult they grew up
in and put into foster homes. Okay, she's responsible for
them being taken from their home. We don't know why yet.
We will get the backstory later, but it's on her.

(04:08):
So she feels like a little bad that she made
everyone go live in foster homes. But as a teen,
she used to ask her adopted parents because she was younger,
so she was like eight when they got taken. She
got adopted. Yeah, she would ask them to go her
go to the mall to see if Andrea was there,
and then with social media became a thing, she would
go like search for Andrea on like Facebook is shit.

(04:29):
And years ago she even submitted her DNA to an
ancestry website, but she has not gotten any hits. So
she is at home and she opens up her email
and see she got an email from the ancestry website
and it says that there's a matches. She opens and
it's like, hey, you have a cousin, and the cousin
is Andrea. And she's stoked because she didn't know that
they were actually biological cousins, even though they call themselves cousins,

(04:53):
and she's happy that they are. It's converbed. So there's
also a message from Andrea and she's like, oh my god,
it's been so long looking for you. I'm so I
have found you. Here's my phone number, Like, send me
a text. When you see this message, it's really like
nonchalant and chill, and Maybe it's like maybe I should
ignore it because she is nervous, but she decides like, nah,

(05:13):
I can't do that. So she googles Andrea because now
she has like a last name for her and finds
out that she's some really successful tech girlie who's like
the CEO from the startup and has gotten billions and investments,
like girl is rich. So Maybe's like, damn, this whole time,
I was worried I fucked up her life, but actually
she's killing it, so I shouldn't even feel bad. So
she texts Andrea and is like, oh my god, it's

(05:33):
really you, so crazy like it's me.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
They find out they live not too far from each other,
like Andrea lives in upstate New York, so Andrea agrees
to meet up with Maybe in a week when she
has some meetings in the city. So they meet up
at a cafe, and Andrea looks rich and Andrea immediately's like,
oh my god, it's so good to see you. Thinks
have been so bad for me, but here so much
better now. And then she's like, I wasn't even going
to bring this up so soon, but Maybe's like what

(05:58):
and then she tells me that she had a daughter
five years ago who died at three months old, which
is awful. Yeah, and maybe it's like that is a
bit yikes, Jesus Christ. Yeah, and Maybe tries to bring
up like what happened to them as kids and asked
that like Andrea's childhood, like hey, what happened to you afterwards?
But Andrea's like, nah, I didn't get adopted to my
time in foster care until I was eighteen. I won't

(06:21):
talk about it. Let's not talk about it, like don't
read up.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, valid, and maybe.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's kind of looking forward, like having someone she could
talk to you about growing up in a cult. But
she's like okay, like I'll respect her bundreis. So they
end up getting coffee and then talk about their wives,
and then they switch like mimosas and they tell each
other everything mainly made like brings up like her birth
Like she has this guy she's been seeing but they're
casual and whatever, and she's like, Hey, it's my birthday

(06:51):
next month. You want to come out with me and
my coworkers to celebrate. And she's kind of embarrassed because
it's like not a birthday party. It's just like getting
drink by their coworkers after wards. But Andrea is excited,
so she'sa like, oh my god, yes, I'll totally come
to your birthday party. So Drea comes to the bar
and she brings her husband and their friend, Emily. And

(07:11):
Emily is also super hot and rich, and she seems
like really obsessed with Andrea. And they all talk and
they have a good time, and Andrea gives me a postcard.
It's like, hey, it's a post good at my house,
which is also a historical landmark. That's why they have
postcards of it, and it is. Yeah. So she's like,
I've been renovating it and we aren't done yet, like
it's a big house, but we are like have enough

(07:33):
done to have people over, so you should come up
this weekend, which is like tomorrow, and like come and visit. Yeah,
maybe it's a little hesitant because it's like short notice.
But Andrea's like, it'd be so good to like have
real family again. So Mave agrees, and Emily offers to
have like may drive up with her and her family,
which is her husband whose name is Micah, which don't

(07:56):
love that, and her like son Henry, he's like five
or whatever, and their dog, the dog probably hasn't and
I might have not write it down, nor do I
remember he is not in the book. After this, he
is at.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
What the fuck? How dare they tease us with a dog?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
You? Honestly, things don't go well for these people.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
You should just like I can tell by you not
liking the Micah.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, so Mave agrees. She ends up sitting in the
back between a crying kid and a dog who's on
drugs because he gets it.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
So the whole ride, Emily and her husband Mica have
weird vibes, and Emily won't stop talking about like may
of having kids one day, even though mayv is like
never said you wanting kids, know, so it's kind of
uncomfortable around them and doesn't want.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Kids kind of bet them also, Yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
When they get there, Andrea comes out to greet them,
but she's carrying a crying baby and the baby looks
just like her dead daughter Olivia. This is a fake baby,
So i'mily so excited about this baby. Oh, and Andrea
explains to me that it's like this fake baby and
they created as part of their business. So they have
this business called New Wife and it's like she was
a like a life coach. And then she has this

(09:04):
like thing that was like help people prepare for motherhood,
would also help like grieving parents, so it supposed to
be like therapeutic. Yeah, maybe it's so freaked out because
this baby looks real as fuck. But Andrea's like, hey,
just pretend to treat this baby like if it's as
if it's a real baby, because that will help me
like testing it out and also helped me with my
grief because this is like a fake but my dead child.

(09:29):
And maybe it's like, of course, anything for you. And
then the dog comes out of the car this is
the only dog moment and attacks this robot baby literally
bites its face off. Oh my god, maybe is screaming
because like she was just told this is like I
act like this is a real baby. And then now
she's seeing this dog eat this baby.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Andrea's like, damn, I guess I gotta make them some
dogs don't want to attack them, and her and Emily
just move on, no props, the baby, no face.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
But I lost my mind.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, maybe it is just like she was fully screaming.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Nobody else cares along like she was supposed to.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah. Maybe. Is then shown to her room, which clearly
seems like I have set up for kids to stay in,
and she has like buck bends. She's like, weird since
they have so many guest rooms, why was I put
in this room?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
But whatever a mansion, but okay.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, so she goes to find a bathroom, ends up
like walking into a nursery and the things inside of
it clearly belonged to Olivia, And in the room is
a photo of Andrea holding Olivia and the room and
the picture is set up identically to the one she's
like standing in. But they just bought this out, so
obviously it wasn't like the room that they actually had
for their baby. So maybe it's a little freaked out

(10:36):
because she's like, why is she recreating her dead daughter's room?
But Andrea shows up and it's like, oh my god,
this isn't how it looks like. I know it looks crazy,
but I just have like all this furniture in our
storage units and it was brought into the house and
since it's like all good still, we didn't really use it,
like I didn't want to get rid of it, and
it could be useful for guests and stuff. I guess
someone has a baby that here's a room for him.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I guess, But it's still pretty weird. Maybe you had
that excuse ready.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, it's like, okay, makes sense. So they all have
dinner that night, and Emily's going off about how motherhood
is louly what women are made for and women who
don't have kids are so sad and have awful lives
and are stupid.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yikes, she's real, yeah, crazy, like girl.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
The man listens to this for a while, and then
Adventure's like I don't want kids, and Emily is shocked
at this, and it's like, oh, you're wrong and stupid,
and maybe Adventure's like, Okay, I'm just gonna go to
the bathroom. Because even Emily's husband has joined He's like, oh,
something's wrong with you, Like you're fucking into the head
everyting on her so Andrea does try to help her

(11:39):
out with telling Emily that not everyone wants the same
life and can have their own opinions. And Emily asks,
like she's like slapped in the face when Andrea says this.
She's like, how do your you fucking say that? Because
obviously Andrea agrees with Emily's opinion, Like she's shocked by this,
so Andrea obviously shares this opinion.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
So they eat dinner kind of like tensely. But then
Maybe is like, let's see this house. Let's give a tour.
This breaks up the awkwardness a little bit. And I'm
was like, oh my god, let's go to all the
secret tunnels. So this house is built by the Freemasons,
and they have a bunch of like passageways that are
hidden throughout the house because Masons.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
That's sick.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, Maybe is still severely claustrophobic, and she's like, I
don't want to go in no tunnels. So she stays back. Well,
Andrea and Emily go inside. But then Andrea calls from
me and it's like, hey, come help Emily phone twist
her ankle. Also, Emily's like six months pregnant but barely showing,
but still she is pregnant, so she's hesitant. But Andrea's like, hey,
if you don't come help right away, you're a terrible person.

(12:35):
So what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
So poor girl?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, Mayv goes into the tunnel instantly she sees Hella spiders,
almost walks into a spider's nest and ends up falling
herself and losing her phone, which is her flashlight. And
Andrea and Emily like find her laying on the ground
like singing to herself and is dress because she is
fucked up. Yeah, understandable, I hate I'm also clausophobic net
like spiders wouldn't love it.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I would also have a done in this situation.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes, yeah, So the next morning things are a little
weird and maybe take some time to hang out by
herself and do some work. She's like, oh, I didn't
mention her job as editor. She works for a publishing
company as an editor, so she like works from home
and can just read her books and do her work wherever.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
So she does that literally.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, she doesn't get paid a lot and lives in
New York, which is what editors do. So that night
it's just maybe and Andrea up drinking and Andrea's like, hey,
you don't make a lot of money, Like what if
I could fix that? And maybe thinks she's trying to
offer her a job at her company. She's like that's
super nice, Like I'm okay, I don't want to work
for you. And Andrea's like, no, actually, I just want
to pay for your eggs. And she's like, I will

(13:41):
give you half a million dollars for just one egg retrieval,
like you'd only.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Have to do it once.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, and you won't even have to be a surrogate.
We find someone else to be a surrogate like you would.
It's just your eggs. And she's like, I want to
have another baby, but her daughter died of is guenetic
this like the disease that I think is to or united.
But she said, yeah, like I can't have another baby
without there being a risk of like me and the
baby dying. Yeah, so I but I want a do

(14:09):
like I want another child. I want my child to
look like me, and you look so much like me
and you are my cousin.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
May feels bad for Andrea and wants to help, but
she's just like not comfortable with this. She's never won
a kid. She's never like the idea of like having you.
She does not want a child with her DNA out there.
She is also it's like, not it's an invasive surgery.
It's it's not like a child surgery.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
So she's like, okay, and like, I think there's a
bunch of rules about like well, and maybe it's different
if it's a private donor versus like if you're just
donating well like pup. I don't know, because you have
to like pass a bunch of tests before you can
donate eggs. You have to be healthy and.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Shit, yeah, you do have to be and like you
have to be like I think you usually be like
in your twenties. People do it, and you have to
like yeah, not have any certain things, which she probably
would be a candidate, but she's just not comfortable doing
this and it is surgery. Yeah, yeah, And she tells
Andrea this, and Andrea's like, okay, what if I give
you a million dollars and then we leave and you
never even have to see the kid because she's like thinking, oh,

(15:14):
she doesn't want to even be part of this kid's life,
like it'd be weird to see her child living. Yeah,
and She's like, Okay, here's a million dollars and we're out.
Maybe also doesn't like this. It's like, oh, they'd just
be like that easy for you not to have me
in your life again. You would just like leave. And
Andrea is like, no, it's not that, Like I would
like for you to be in my life. I just
want to make this easy for you, and it's just

(15:37):
not something I'd be okay doing. And Andrea is pissed.
She tells me that may have kind of owes her
for ruining her life when they were kids, and Maybe
is like, Okaynia hated me for that. You never admitted it,
but I knew you did. Then we're get a flashback
to Maybe's eighth birthday and she's eating cake and she
gives a little cake to the little boy, who like
is under the table, and the mother's eventually noticed this though,

(15:58):
and they surround the boy grab knives because this is
a very female base cult anyways. Oh and this boy's
not a suposed to getting attention or kick yikes. And
Maybe's like, oh my god, I know what they're gonna do.
So she grabs the boy and runs. And so back
in the present, may have goes to her room in
Andrea's house that decides like she's gonna leave early in

(16:19):
the morning because things are weird. So she goes home,
goes back to work on Monday and gets fired and
she is shocked by this and also fucked because she
has no savings and a bunch of credit card debt
and lives in New York City.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Relatable except for the New York part.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I guess yes, but like most people, getting fired would
ruin your life. So now she has Ryan, the guy
she's like casually seeing, Oh, we're like hook up, and
she's told him about the situation. He's like, girl, you're
really gonna turn down a million dollars? That's wild? Also
crazy that your cousin has a million dollars to just
be given out. Yes, And she's like, sounds insane, but yeah,

(16:57):
not doing it. So he offers to ever stay with
him to say some money while she looks for a
new job, and she's like, okay, maybe she had her
from Andrea earlier and they sort of made up because
Andrea's like, sorry about being like so pushy about it,
like obviously I don't hate you. And Andrea offers to
let her stay with her, but maybe I doesn't love
the idea of not being in the city, so she's like,

(17:18):
maybe I'll stay with Ryan during the weekend. Spend weekends
with Andrea. So she goes to Andreas that weekend with Emily,
Mike and Henry, Henry's son, they're also there, and Emily
again lectures maybe about having kids and tells her that
she's just too old to be casually seeing someone. She's
like thirty three, I think, and she's like, you really
should try to find a man who will, like, settle down.

(17:39):
And she's like, actually, I'm the one who wants to
keep things casual. Ryan would be my boyfriend if he wanted,
if I let him. Yeah, and she is annoyed with
this holding like the assumption that you guys just don't
want to be with her and that's why she's in
her situation.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, that's rude as hell.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And then Emily's like, you're a real bitch for not
helping Andrea out, especially after everything you did to her when.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
You were a kid, So, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, then we get a flashback to when they first
met her adopted parents. She was kind of sess of
the dad at first, because men were sess to her
since she never grew up near men and she was
told they're like evil. Yeah, And so she also starts screaming,
asking where the other mothers are because they're like, this
is your new mom, and she's like, okay, where are
all the other moms there are? What just this one thing? Yeah,

(18:24):
And the dad's like, okay, maybe she has too much
trauma for us. But the social worker tells them, like
she didn't see any of the violent stuff the cult
was doing. His new slashed they were murdering men, and
she's just like not used to men. But she's young.
She could get past that easy, Like, don't worry, a
little therapy, she'll be all good. Like she is eight,
so like that's not like five.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
You know she's gonna any formative years.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah. So back to present day, Rob, who is Andrea
Sessmin has cut his hand and has to go to
urgent care and the side of blood makes me feel sick.
She like gets this whole time. We like get flashbacks
of her seeing blood everywhere and stuff, so we don't
know what's about yet, we'll find out.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah. She also calls her old coworker and ends up
getting some freelance work from her pretty much was getting
paid less to do what she had been doing when
she worked for her company she was working for. But
she's like, whatever, I need it, even though this is insulting.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Also, she has like alopecia and her hair falls out
and it's feeling out worse than ever because she is
very stressed and she has extensions in but she's taking.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Them out and the now well yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
And also like her hair is falling out so much,
the extensions aren't even working, like it's a mess.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
So Emily notices and it's like, you look bad. Let
me give you a haircut, like help you out. Because
Emily used to be a hairstylist before she met Andrea
and got her life like on track because Andrea was
Emily's life coach and that's how they met and now
Emily has this great life. So Okay, she does do
a really good job cutting her hair. She's like, actually
good at it and it does help. So they've decided

(20:00):
to go to a bar and have a girl's night
and Emily, who is six months pregnant, drinks the wine
spritzer and also some other stuff and she gets fucking drunk.
And I'm like, girl, what see when you said wine spritzer,
I was like, okay, like one, it is like maybe
not terrible. And then you said gets drunk, and I
said that is terrible. Yeah, it's a bad idea because
like the owner is giving them a bunch of free drinks.

(20:21):
His name is Tyler, and Emily and Andrea are trying
to hook Mabe up with him.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Emily also seems to like not like her husband and
won't stop talking about like how into her he is,
but like she doesn't seem to love him. And she
is fully drunk by the end of the night, and
she's like, hey, don't tell Andrea that I'm drunk. And
also I hate being pregnant, and Andrea can't know that
because like I'm not supposed to hate being pregnant, Like
this isn't the person I am anymore. She used to

(20:48):
be a drug addict before she met Andrea, and like
h but still and then Andrea made her have his
whole like life for the family and stuff. She doesn't
seem to even like her kid that she already has,
and she does not want to actually be pregnant. But
Emily she was like, well, maybe's like, okay, I won't
say anything. And this is when she tells her like

(21:10):
about her past is a drug addict, and Emily's like, hey,
like that's why I was before I met Andrea. I'm
different now and May's like okay, girl won't tell. She
goes to Andrea and it's like, hey, we need to leave.
Like Emily's not feeling well, like she's sick, she's pregnant,
makes sense, Yeah, Andrea doesn't seem to want to leave,
and she's like whatever, Emily's like being lead with today,

(21:34):
but she she sends her back to the table with
Emily and goes to try to pay their tab and
ends up talking to Tyler with the owner, who was like, hey,
I was an English major and I used to want
to be a writer. And he's like mentioning Fitzgerald and
I'm like, okay, basic, this guy's red flags. I the
way he talks. I'm like, this guy sounds like the worst. Anyways. Uh,

(21:57):
They're kind of flirting, and when Maybe looks over at
the table where they were sitting, she sees Dedrea and
I'm like, are not there? And she takes her phone
and they're like, hey, we left, but like we went home.
She's like, what the fuck? So she tells Tyler and
he's like, hey, I could give you a ride home
if you don't like waiting for me to clubs up.
And she's like, oh well, I'll just get an uber
and he's like good luck. And she checked and there's

(22:18):
like no cars available. There's a small upstate New York town.
So she does have to wait there. And I'm like,
this is a bar. It's like eleven pm right now.
If this is a bar, it wouldn't close to like two.
I don't know what New York claws are, but like
she'd be waiting there for hours. But no, it's like
not that big a deal. I guess. I don't like

(22:40):
it takes for her to close up the bar. When
I worked at a bar, we closed it. I think
like ten's like two way them every night.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Anyways, he's like, has a book of short stories underneath
the bar and he's like, hey, you can read this.
Well you wait. They end up kissing, but she is
drunk and he takes her home and like that's that.
He's like, you're drunk and she's like yes, true. So
when she goes back home, she meets up with Ryan
and they head back to her place, and she feels
kind of guilty about kissing Tyler even though her and

(23:10):
Ryan are like aren't exclusive, but she's like, hey, I
gotta get used to hanging out with Ryan outside in
my apartment because like they've never really done that before.
He's more just like a comes over to hook up
type of thing, but he seems like a nice guy
and they do get along and he's like, hey, do
you want me to stay the night and she's like, nah,
Like I got to pack up and do stuff tomorrow
because she's rented out her apartment in airbnb, so people

(23:32):
are coming in or will used she has to clean
up and do stuff. She's like, I have to wake
up early. And Ryan is a bartender, so he's used
to like staying up late, so he doesn't wake up early.
So she's like, I'll just like I'll come over tomorrow
and be over at your police around like noon, and
he's like okay, cool, and then he like makes a
comment about them like maybe becoming like a legit couple
and then leaves. And so the next morning, she's packing

(23:52):
up enough stuff for a month because she's not sure
how long she's gonna be gone. She gets a cab
and he drives her to Ryan's place, but the street's
blocked off by cops and she like is like, hey, Cabby,
can you wait here? Like I'm gonna go see what's up,
So he waits for her. She runs up the street
and she sees a burnt down building and she has
never been to Ryan's place before, so she's like, oh,

(24:14):
is this his place or not? But then she sees
the number on the side of the building and it
is his building, so it's fully fucked. It's gone.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Ryan also has an answer text all day, and she
still tries to text him again, and then she tries
calling him, and then she sees a body taken out
in a stretcher and it's wearing red vans, which is
Ryan's shoes that he always wore.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yis.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
So she runs under the police tape and up to
the body and the cops are like holding her back
and like, girl, get the fuck out of here. Who
the fuck do you think you are? Why you just
run up on our crime scene? Like her building also
not safe, and she's like who's the body and they're like,
we literally don't know. Just pulled him out of this building,
like we don't got no info for you. And then
my friend like left my place like late last night,

(24:56):
and they're like this fire started early this morning, so
sorry and Ryan so's not answered her text. But then
an EMT takes her time and she's like, hey girl,
they were no survivors. Sorry, like this is your dead
friend probably, So she's fully panicking. She gets back into
the cab and he drives her and she just like
tell where to go. So she just like brings her
back to her place where he picked her up, because

(25:18):
where else is he gonna fucking take her? He's a
cabdain he don't know her life. Yes, So she's like
gets out of the cab, but there's people who are
went to her place. They're already there, so she has
nowhere to go. Also, she has left her bags in
his trunk and she just wanders around and shock ends
up sitting on the street like fully sobbing, and finally
a lady finds her and she ends up in an
urgent care and Andrea shows up and it's like, how

(25:40):
are you here? What? And Andrea's like, you don't remember
calling me? And she told us that may have called her,
and she had told this lady who May was with,
May have to bring her to an urgent care while
she like to wait while she drove down to come
and get her. Yeah, so she wouldn't just be wondering
the streets, and I guess. So she takes May to
her place where maybe like spends a cup weeks just

(26:01):
as a zombie. She just sleeps, eats a little bit,
and that's about it. And then we get a flashback
to when Mave what's nine and she was watching football
with her adopted dad and it's like the games interrupted
by a news broadcast and is talking about the culture
she grew up in and they're like, we found bodies
on the property in a bunch of different stages of
meat camp. And adopted mom was like, I forget what

(26:23):
her dad's name is, but she's just like, what the
fuck are you letting her watch? Like why are you
letting her watches? He's like, it was Lily, just football,
Like I didn't do this if perfect. She's like, don't
let her watch the news about how she grew up
in a murder cult. So back to modern day, is
still super depressed. Meg goes to find a bathroom. But
she's like been putting a different wing of the house
than she usually stays in, and she ends up in

(26:43):
finding a room full of robot babies. And and Andandrea,
I have a ton of their fake babies in the
house because they're about to start like shipping them out.
And also they have this retreat coming up for their
company where a bunch of people are going to be
staying in the house and like doing whatever with these
fake babies. So, but this is just a paal of
like a mess of babies, and underneath them is a

(27:03):
baby monitor and she's like, here Andrea talking to Henry
about how she don't want this kid. Yeah, and orn
Andrea Emily and Maybe is like what the fuck? And
Andrea finds are there, and she's like, oh, this is
where we've been throwing all the defective babies. There's like
one in each box. He's a fucked up baby. And
she's like, Andrea must have left her baby monitoring here
when she was starting to the broken ones in the pile.

(27:25):
And Maybe's like, it looks like it's all boy babies.
And Andrea's like, I don't think so, that's weird. Moves
on No comments really, so Andrea is like, hey, why
don't you take a bath? Like you smell bad? First
of all, like you relax though here's someone she's also
been taking like cool as a pans, so maybe she
don't give her wine but.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Okay, maybe not, but okay, and she's whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
So she ends up falling asleep in the bathtub and
then wakes up in her bed unaware of like what's
going on, and she feels like shit, and the last
thing she remembers is Rob coming in with towels, and
so she tries reaching for her meds like go back
to sleep, but they are empty, and she also cannot
afford to get more because she don't got no health insurance.
She don't got no job.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Then she hears some noise and goes out in the
hallway to find Emily screaming that she doesn't want her
baby and she is fully attacking a fake baby, like
stabbing its face yikes, and Andrea's trying to calm her down.
Emily has a knife she's about to stab her own
pregnant belly, and May runs to grab her, but it
is too late, so she yells for them to call
an ambulance. Emily's on the ground bleeding and like Maye's

(28:28):
holding her and she's like, hey, Emily tells maybe you
have to get out of here. She's like, they poisoned
me to you or she said they POI she poisoned me,
But it's maybe is not sure if she's like means
like if Emily moves said they poisoned may Emily to
may or like to her baby because her baby's a
good daughter. So it's confusing, but yeah, Andrea and Mika

(28:51):
go to the hospital and leave Rob Mayven like with
Rob and made with Henry and Rob tells me that
it's like something that happened with her first pregnant. She
gets like prepartum psychosis. But she's like, don't worry. She
really does want this baby, Like I wish she not
want the baby. It's a girl. Everyone wants a daughter. Y.
He then tells me that she also like, he's like, hey, also,

(29:14):
maybe you have a drug problem, and maybe we should
go to a farmer's market because that will help your
drug problem.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Everyone knows the farmer's market. Heals everything.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, and maybe it's like, hey, I woke up feeling
like weird and sore, and last thing I remember was
you coming into the bathroom. Did you like sexually assault
me or something.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Or me and take my eggs?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah? And he's like, naviitch, you passed out in the
tub and we carry you to bed, Like, really, you
shouldn't drink while on pills. Girl, you're a mess.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
So they find out that Emily was sent to a
hospital in Manhattan to be on suicide watch for the
rest of her pregnancy, and they're like, don't worry. We
told the doctor she was trying to kill herself, not
kill the baby. And Rop's like, so, you know, so
she won't get charged with attempted murder. And I'm like, what,
how would she get charged with the attempted murder? This
is New York a fetuses 'encounter as a person, yet
before it would not be murder. What I didn't get

(30:02):
that anyways, whatever, I don't think he understands the laws.
Maybe I don't understand the laws. I just don't think
it's attempted murder. Yeah, be suicide, Yeah, I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, I think it. I don't know. I think it
would depend I yeah, slippery slope.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yes, because he doesn't count as a person. You can't
murder a non person.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Anyways, Rob then tells me that Tyler is coming over
for dinner on Saturday because Andre answered Maybe's phone when
the times he called and like set up this dinner.
And she didn't mean to like be intrusive or anything.
She was just trying to help me about and Maybe's
like this feels wrong, but like she's family, so okay,
and she does have a good time when Tyler's over,

(30:47):
and he talks about books and stuff, and I feel
like he's pretentious, but she thinks he's cool. So she
has him to stay the night and he's like cat stand,
but I think eventually he's like okay. So she was
a kid her adopted pay parents like we're going to
have her go to her first day of real school,
and her adopted mom, whose name is Patty, got her
new outfit for it. It's like this T shirt with sparkles

(31:09):
and some shorts, and so the morning of her first day,
may have goes get ready and she gets ready. How
she remember seeing the mothers get ready, So she cuts
up her T shirt to make it a crop chop
and then uses markers on her lips, like to make
him red and puts blue marker on her eyelids. Oh yeah.
So then she goes downstairs for breakfast and her adoptive
parents are horrified, like what did you do? I may

(31:31):
it was confused because she's like, this is how people
get ready to go out. I don't know what your
problem is. And then she's like what she says? Like
she says something she heard the mothers say all the time,
and she's like do you like what you see? And
they're like, oh my god. So Patty's like, hey, let's
get you cleaned up and we can just try to

(31:52):
school tomorrow. We'll spend a daying together, like having day.
I'll do your school tomorrow instead. Yeah. So things have
been going good for me better now. She's been spending
a lot of time with Tyler and has actually been
like kind of happy. She's been so happy that she's

(32:13):
almost changed her mind about giving Andrea some like her eggs.
She's like, Okay, maybe I will do it, but she
hasn't much to Andrea yet because she wants to be
sure before she says that, but she's like almost there.
That night, she goes out to dinner with Tyler and
he's like bitchy in a bad move mood when the
place they want to go do as like a long
await time, and she's like, don't love a side of him,
like he's kind of an asshole. This is a red flag.

(32:35):
But then he's like, okay, finally, just go to this
taco place and he jaills that once sy're there and
able to get a seat, and in the car, he's like, hey,
why don't we like get pizza and go to your place?
And he's like, no, can't go to my place. I'm
like not ready for you to see it yet. And
she's like, m okay, weird, but she's like whatever, I'll
give him my kids time. So at the restaurant, he's like, hey,

(32:57):
how is being adopted and she's like, I never told
you I was adopted and he's like, oh, Andrea told me,
and maybe's like kind of fucked up for her to do, okay,
And then she mentions like Andrea being a foster care
and he's like, oh, I didn't know that, and she's like, oh,
so girl was just talking about her child my childhood
and at hers Okay.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
That's so weird.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah. So they go back to Andrea's place after dinner
and I was like, hey, Like they go up to
her bedroom. He's like, hey, can I like we try
something different and can like put a blindfold on you?
So he does and he ties her up and then
leaves her there for a while and she's just sitting
there going okay. And then when he comes back, he
doesn't talk at all and also doesn't use the condom,
and I'm like, oh, I know exactly what's happening. This

(33:35):
is Rob who is raping her. And Andrea had so yeah,
maybe get pregnant she have that baby. It's super obvious. Anyways,
Maybe some realizes though, and the next morning, maybe's like,
what the fuck is up with the no condom? Dude?
Like that's fucked up. Yeah, And when he's like getting dressed,
a wedding man falls out of his pants and he
goes like and he's like ooh, sorry about that and

(33:57):
he leaves. Oh, so maybe it is fucking pissed. And
that morning she goes down and tells Andrea about like it,
about it and how Tyler said that Andrea was the
one who told him that may would like it rough
and like that's what he should do. She's like, that's
awful of you to tell me, and Andrea is like horrified,
quote unquote, she's frantic, and she offers may have a

(34:18):
Plan B that she has because she's like, I have
some like on me because like, just in case you're
actually pregnant, obviously there pregnant season bible, so and I'm like, okay,
that makes sense for you to have Plan B. But
she brings it down just a pill, no package. And
I'm like, okay, so's obviously not real Plan B.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
And also if she's a millionaire whatever, and it's like,
being pregnant is such a risk for her.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Why wouldn't she get her tubes tied or something?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
You would think, But I guess that's personal choice whatever,
or at least, like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I guess it's not crazy for her to have a
Plan B, but I don't trust her.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
No, Yeah, the explanation, I was like, okay, it makes sense,
but she brings it down just a pill, no package,
which does seem suspicious. Gives it to me maybe it's like,
oh my god, thank you so much, no questions. Maje.
Sean is blowing up them and she looks at it
and it's talered and he's like Hey, I'm so sorry,
like I had to do what my wife is pregnant,
the restaurant's going under, like everyone needed money to support
my family, Like I didn't think it would be like this.

(35:14):
Mave's confused for this, and Andrea immediately takes her phone
and it's like blocks Tyler before we can give any
further explanation.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Mame's like, hey, I might go back to the city
for a week, like take some meetings, decompress things you've
gotten crazy. But Andrea's retreated this week, and she's like, hey,
Emily's in the hospital, like I could bial you some help.
So Maybe's like, okay, girl, like I'll help you out.
So she ends up that night checking people in and
handing out fake babies that have been altered so they
could look like they could be the child of each guest.

(35:44):
And I don't really do that, but I'm not a
tech person, so I'm guessing. I'm like, don't y'all have
to like order them pre customed? But maybe, ayea, I
faced this or something. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
That night, Mabe goes to the bathroom and the toilets
in this house famously like do not flush well, like
the plumbing's fucked. It's an old house, so whatever. But
she's like trying to get the toilet a flush, and
she knows it's a strip of paper in the water,
and it's like maybe this is a test for like
a pH bounce or something. We all know this is
a test off. Anyway, she goes to take the paper
and like, she takes the paper, So she and goes

(36:17):
to tell Andrea and Rob about like, hey, this toilet
want flesh, but she finds them downstairs instead talking to
some cops. And the cops are like, hey, we want
to talk to me because Tyler is dead and she
was the last person to see him. And Andrea's like, oh,
ma'am's back in the city. And also he did in
a drunk driving accident, so why do you even care?
Why are you looking into us? And the cops like
don't seem to believe her, but they can't do anything

(36:37):
about it, and may have started to get real sessed
about this because two dead boyfriends is kind of a lot.
Seems suspicious. So she comes out of hiding after the
cops leeve and still holding the toilet paper, like the
paper that was in the toilet, and she tries to
be chilling and it's like, okay, well, like, hey, you
tell the cops, like maybe I was in the city,
so maybe I should go back to the city. And

(36:58):
Andrea's like, oh, no, like you should stay here. It
would be sess that the cops saw you leaving now.
But then she sees the paper and it's like, oh
my god, because it's a positive pregnancy test. And I
was like what, and Andrea's like, girl, you're pregnant. And
maybe it's confused. And Andrea's like, well, you wouldn't give
me your eggs, so obviously I had to get maybe
a different way.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
And so are we saying that this bitch flushed grabbed
a piece of paper out of the toilet after she
peed in it.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, so she was trying to flush the toilet after
she peed and she saw like there was a paper
like like dipped into the water like you would if
you took like one of the strips they dip into
your pee as a pregnancy test, and said the pea
kind she thought it was something important to the toilet.
So yeah, she was carrying around pea paper with her shirt.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
But let it be yikes, I'm not gonna let her be.
I'm judging that.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Okay, Well, she has a lot coming at her, so
maybe give her a break. So she tries to get
the fuck out of there because she was just told
she's pregnant and her cousin made her get pregnant. But
Andrea and Rob chas her and they ended up catching
her and tying her to a bed, and all the
people who are there for the retreat which is currently
going on, are surrounding her when she wakes up, and
she's like what the fuck? Wow, these people staring at

(38:13):
me a captive. She's also gagged, but Andrea comes in
and she's like hey, and they all call her mother
Superior and it's like, guess what the cult we were
never went away. I was meant to take it over
from like as a child, Like I was being groomed
to be the leader. And now this is what I am.
I'm the leader of their cult. And this is what
the Motherhood Collective is now. It's a cult and also
a multi billion dollar tech company were really like expanding.

(38:37):
Maybe is horrified, and she thinks about when she left
the cult for the like left the cult when she
was a kid. She had heard the noises coming from
the room next to the closet she was in, and
she would go and comfort who, like whatever was trapped
in there after that day, and one day she decided,
like go and open the door and try to comfort
whatever's in there in person, so she stole the key,
opens the door, and then she sees a man gagged

(38:59):
and tied up, and she's freaked out. But instead of
freeing him, because this guy's clearly like, please free me,
she goes back to bed where she like sleeps in
the same bed with Andrea, and later they hear a gunshot,
so R and P. So the day the cult got
shut down, what or she thought was her eighth birthday,
and she thought that the mothers are gonna go punish

(39:20):
boy for eating cakes, so she takes him. She runs.
She goes to one of the cars, like buckles her
and boy into the driver's seat together and she drives
off but she could barely see. So she's like, I
know how to drive, and she follows the yellow line
in the roads. She's just like in the middle of
the road, both lanes and cars that keep coming out
her and she's like, why are they not following their
own yellow line, they're in my way. She's eight, and

(39:44):
she just can freaked out and then a truck comes
and hits them, and an ambulance comes, but it's too late,
like because boy was thrown from the car and he
is dead on the ground. And this is what she
gets flashbacks to, like she sees a dead, crumpled blood,
little baby body, and so she's taken to the hospital.

(40:04):
She has like a big cut up her arm.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
And this is.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
When the colt gets caught because obviously look into a
white hite year old is driving around with a tiller
on her lap. Yeah, so back to modern day. She
is tied up and gagged and being force fed placenta.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
You that's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, not even cooked, just from So she's kept tied
up to the bed for like days, and she hears
that she hears cops their back and they're like, hey,
we have a warrant to search your house. And Rob
is being told to move made because like the cops
are there, So they got to move her into the
secret tunnels. The cops don't see that she's being kept
as prisoner because that's not gonna look good. So he

(40:43):
takes her down the hall and into the passageways and
she takes advantage of having her legs free and she
knocks Rob over and runs. But she doesn't know the
tunnels super well, and it's hoping to be like get
out because there's different entrances and exits instead of a door.
She runs into a dead body and it is Mica
and his head has been off. Oh yike yeah, and
she's horrified and also disgusted by the smell because it's

(41:05):
been weeks. But she remembers them like, I had a
pocket knife in his pocket on him like all the time.
So she searches his pockets and she's able to find
it and cut her arms free. But by the time
she's free, Rob is caught up with her and she's
able to surprise him and she stabs him. Then she
goes through his pockets, grabs his car keys and like
gets like back out the way they came and she

(41:25):
goes into the house and she's trying to sneak outside,
but she ends up finding a blood bath where the
cult has slaughtered the police. They have fully killed all
of the cops. So she sees this and she's like shit.
She runs with the car she's traced by Andrea and
the colt. Andrea's like, here, remember the last time we
tried to drive away to escape a colt? And She's
like fuck you, and she gets in the car and

(41:46):
gets the fuck out there because she is a better
driver now that she's in her thirties adult.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Cut to Mab in a hospital bed and she's talking
to the Feds. Andrea got away, but they found a
bunch of dead people and also she's like number one
most wanted by the FEDS right now. Yeah, and they
like trying to look into how far reaching the cult
is because they had controlled billions of dollars. And also
Andrea suggested that it was like all over the world.
Maybe is still pregnant, and the facts are like, hey,
maybe we should move you with psyche word to keep

(42:12):
you safe. It's like more high security. And she agrees.
So she spends month at this site board before finally
she's like, hey, I went out. So she goes back
at her apartment and about to go to a doctor's
appointment because she is still pregnant. Months later, and she
wants to get an abortion, and I'm like, girl, why
wuonn't you do this immediately?

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Wait, wait, she thinks she's like eighteen weeks long or something,
and I'm like, that's pretty far. She goes to the
doctor and the doctor's like, girl, your toe want your
twenty seven weeks pregnant a little further? And she said
what uh? And she's like, also, you're pregnant with twins.
And he's like, it's too late for an abortion now,
and here's info for an adoption agency. And she's like,
how could they be this far along? But then she

(42:50):
thinks about the bath and how she accused Rob of
raping her, and she's like, oh, he really did. And
then she's like, you know what, it is crazy for
me to think that there'd be a positive pregnancy test
the day after conception.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I was also thinking that, yeah, And she's.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Like, that is wrong. That is not how that works.
I'm a stupid and I'm like, yeah, that is crazy. Girl.
So anyways, she picks out a woman to adopt her
twin daughters, and when she goes into labor, the adoptive mother, Celeste,
is at the hospital, but she's not allowed in the
room even though she was told she would be. The
doctor's like, get the fuck out, so she does, but
she's upset and instead maybe is alone to get birth

(43:24):
the first baby, because that pretty easily. The second is
stuck in there and it feels like she's trying to
claw her way out, but she has slipped, so that's
breached and they have to student emergency see section. And
when she wakes up, she's told like, the babies are Nikko,
They're all good, and she sees a woman staring at
her from the hallway, and the nurses like, hey, Celestae's
been like wanting to see the babies. She's really excited
and maybe like hey, She tells the nurse to tell

(43:46):
Celeste that I've changed my mind about the adoption. Selessa's pissed,
understandably because she thought she was gonna have two kids
and now she's.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Like, not no more a contract because of that reason.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, you see, can't just be like JK. But we
cut to Mave on a walk with her twins and
she's talking to the twins when a woman approaches her.
Obviously this is Andrea Well has come to steal the children,
and she's like hey, she's hugs it to Maybe She's like, obviously,
you weren't just gonna be like a live with these twins.
Happily ever after, Like you think I was gonna like
have these babies. This is a trap though, Andrea is caught,

(44:20):
like she before she can snatch the children, and she
really tries to go to grab these babies, the Feds
jump out and grab her. Okay, then we'll get an epilogue.
It's like five or eight years in the future or whatever.
Maybe is now married, working a great job where she
makes a bunch of money and publishing and I'm like, okay, fake,
but Celeste forgave her for using the twins as bait
and making her think she wasn't gonna be allowed to

(44:41):
adopt them. She did get the kids afterward. Maybe does
not want these kids, and maybe she's like but maybe
is part of their lives. So maybe it's she loves
the oldest twin the most, but they se the younger
one is maybe like low ki evil. She gives to
see this the girls and give some birthday presents and
they're like at a park and at the park they
to sing the song that Mabe and Andrea used to sing

(45:02):
it kids, and she'sa liked whey the fuck did you
hear that song? And they're like, oh, mother taught us.
Then Seless comes up and she's like, hey, oh my god,
because maybe it's been like touching her stomach. She's like,
oh my god, may congrats, like you're pregnant. Being a
mother is the most important thing a woman can do
the end.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Because she's just your stomach. That doesn't mean shit.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
She is pregnant.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Way yeah, god, Okay, why doesn't this bitch get some
birth control or something like she didn't want these children?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Oh well, she wanted this children. She's married now, she
didn't want this child. But now it's like, oh great,
the lady I let my adopt these kids are now
is part of the cult. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I kind of suspected that from the get as soon
as she was introduced. But yike, that that was unexpected.
I'll give it that much.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Well, if you're the only person to think it was unexpected.
Here's the review is three point six five stars.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Okay, here's the first one. The opposite of what I said,
boring and extremely predictable, as if the author expects us
to be the reader's first book ever. One star, a
little harsh. I mean it was a little predictable. I
was like, Okay, obviously, this is what's happening, but yeah,
I still liked it. Here we go boo, predictable, sad

(46:14):
face two stars.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Very uncomfy. Three stars.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
This book made me feel sick.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Four stars, all caps are serious. Okay, what did I
just read?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
This was such an exceptionally good book, creepy, unique, and fun.
I have not read such an entertaining and jaw dropping
book in a long time. Why isn't this more viral?
Also like very much feminist fives five star.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
It's a little feminist extreme. They literally would murder boy
like they.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Didn't it was past feminists. Yeah, the whatever the what
is the word for lady misogynists? I don't remember there
is a word for it, I can't remember it.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
But that's more what this is.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
This is a good example of that word that I
can't think of exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Okay, here's some questions I have about this book. Do
you think Andrea murdered more people that we just don't
know about, like she was doing this for a while.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Probably, Yeah, definitely. And I think it's weird that she
didn't find like another suitable mother, Like I get that
she was like, oh, you're related to me. I want
to be able to look at like me, but like
that doesn't guarantee shit. She just wanted her DNA, I think,
I guess, but it's like it's not your DNA, so
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
It'd be like five percent.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I definitely think she murdered more people though. I mean
the fact that they killed all those cops, like they
know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, they take a cab. I mean most of them
did get They all got caught eventually, because you can't
just cos people care about that. No, Okay. My main
thing was what it may get an abortion, Like immediately
after getting away she was in a hospital.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Why wouldn't you do it before you go to the
mental hospital for months and months? Like that's kind of
you know, this is a timed action, like you only
have so long.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, I mean, I know people say you can get
an abortion after birth. It's just not true.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Well, and also like if you've never you didn't, you're
not a person that wants to be pregnant. I think
just the act of being pregnant is like so uncomfy and.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Like to deal with that for so long.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Especially with twins, that's a nightmare. Didn't imagine. But yeah,
it's crazy that an abortion. I was like, is this especially.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
If she's not against them, so like.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, it's weird. I was like, girl, immediately I would
have been like, I need an abortion. I'm sorry, I
was sexualist, Like this is a rape. I got pretty
different rape. Of course I want an abortion. Yeah, and
she never even wanted kids, Like, obviously it's her choice,
but her choice would have been an abortion. So I
don't know why she wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, exactly, I don't make no sense.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Also, do you think so last the adopted mother is
part of the cult. Yes, And also did she join
before or after adopting this twin stuff before?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
So I'm thinking because obviously Andrea is like watching her,
So I'm thinking she knows she's pregnant, she knows the
vague timeline when she's gonna have the babies, especially with
the positive pregnancy test, you know, the first time took,
so she would be able to map out that pregnancy
and be like, okay, mothers of the cult, look out

(49:27):
for this adoption ad I mean I guess she could
have done Like, I don't know, I don't know how
adoption works, how anonymous you can be about it.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
But well, she went through an.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Eight interestry, and she said she picks the last because
last was like a single working mother. And I'm like
that seems like someone who would have joined the cult
exactly picked a gay couple. They're not gonna be part
of this cult.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
True, pay dudes, Yeah, just pick a couple.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Well, I guess like it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Guarantee people in the cult, but like pick better chances,
pick some gay dudes. They hang up by this crazy
feminine cult exactly. Most likely.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, you don't know for sure, but most likely.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah. Okay, I only have like two quotes. I guess. Okay,
let's see.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Be like that sometimes.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Here's I'm talking about how every woman should have This
just sound a very j D dance to me, page
sixty seven. Whether you're a religious or not, Emily Barrelon,
you can't deny the science of pregnancy and childbirth is
semi miraculous and incredibly empowering. It's the one It's one thing.
If a woman can't basically have children, obviously the situations

(50:42):
are tragic, but now your body, it's natural right when
you're able to have them. Sounds confused at best.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I like how she tries to be like, it's not
your fault if you can't have the kids, like shut up,
you judge them as lesser, even if you aren't acting
like it, like you, I know, it's like very people
make their own choices, stop worrying about what other people
are doing.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, this one, I was like, Okay, this is where
they are right on some things, page one oh four.
This is something I feel very strongly about. Men are
babysitters of their own children. And Emily told me they
shouldn't be rewarded for providing equal and more childcare. Mike's
contribution to Henry's upbringing shouldn't be notable. And if MI
kid isn't you suppose a parent, well then what's the point?

(51:28):
I mean, yeah, true, you aren't a babysitter. If you're
the father, they're your kids, they're your responsibility. My biggest
pet peeve is when people call themselves mister mom or something.
Now it's called being a dad, right, what's your fucking thought?
Like okay, diapers.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Or whatever, Like bruh, you're a parent as well.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Ridiculous if your spouse won't change the diaper if you
have a husband. I mean, even women I guess could
do this, but it's much less likely, like, yeah, whack
whack if you reward someone for taking care of their
own child, whack.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I agree, Okay, well here are my thoughts then, so
those it seems fun. Obviously I didn't.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Read it, but uh, fun little cult book, Lady Colt
don't see enough of that. Women in men's fields love
to see that. Yeah, feel bad for may if at
the end there wait, no, I don't wait.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, I mean she found out the kids you are
now part of a cold that she escaped, so it
is a little rough. She's gonna also.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Thinking the one is evil.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I'm like, girl, you need to calm down a little bit.
Are you ready for other children? Because they could come
out just like that one did.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
And I think that's why she's like this one reminds
me of Andrea and the other one reminds me of me.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Girl needs more therapy for sure.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah. You shouldn't project your own thoughts on too eight.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Baby, Nope, yeah those are my thoughts.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Uh. Yeah, I thought it was a good book. I mean,
I agree it was a little predictable, but also I
liked it. I mean, I love a cult I love
love a lady cult leader. That's fun. Yeah, when them
get away with there. I don't know. Maybe they're right.
If it wasn't so oddly republican with the whole women
need to be having kids, that'd be much more supportive

(53:12):
of this cult. Yeah, but the whole forest childbirth thing
is a little much. Also, I'm confused by her lack
of abortion. I feel like that was a weird choice.
But I mean I could get it for the plot,
because then they could do so like haha, the cult's
really not dead twist. But it's crazy that this woman

(53:33):
who didn't want kids at that moment would go through
with having a pregnancy that was forced. Uh.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense when you think about it.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, especially when you got pregnant by a man she
later murdered, so in self defense. She killed them in
self defense.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's not her fault, did she did? He deserved to die.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah. Don't love the use of the name Mike and
the book. Also, don't love the little kid like the
old baby boy getting killed. That one was rough on me.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah, that's sad. That is sad.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Man. There's okay, I recommend it. I said, people should
read it.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, good choice, there said, Yeah, if you like this
one tune in for all the other ones, because there's
quite a few at this point. And while you're there,
should you should leave us a little five star review
just for funzies. Next week, I'm reading something. I don't
remember the title of it, but it's pretty freaky, pretty spooky,

(54:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Well, stay tuned to find out what it is. Yeah, Dan,
you're reading it and doesn't remember. You can also find
us on social media at book holt Podcast on Instagram.
You can find us on TikTok at bookult pod No wait, yes, nope,
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Speaker 3 (54:50):
Yeah. So thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
You're now I guess a mom.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, which I mean, no takes these back seats, man,
that's for life.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Oh you can give them away, but let's looked down
upon after a certain point.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
At a certain point. Yeah yeah, so think about that.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah,