Alice's Restaurant (1969) Arlo Guthrie, Arthur Penn, Pat Quinn, & James Broderick

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A lot of Thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beaten.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It ended up with an amazing pile of garbage, and
we decided that it would be a friendly.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Gesture for us to take the garbage down to the town.
So we took the half a ton of garbage and
put it in the back of a red VW microbus,
took shovels and rakes and other implements of destruction, and

(00:28):
we headed off for the town. But when we got
to the town, we had never heard of a dump

(00:55):
closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our we
drove off looking for another place to put the garbage.
We didn't find one until we came to a side
road and off on the side of the.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Side road was a fifteen foot cliff, and at the
bottom of the cliff was another pile of garbage, and
we decided that one big pile was better than two
little ones.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Rather than bring that one up, we decided to throw
ours down.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
That's what we.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hello and welcome to Book Versus Movie the podcast. You
reread books that have been adapted into movies and then
we try to decide which we like better, the book
or the movie. I am Margot patcoloniabook dot com and
this is my good friend and co host Marco d
or Brooklyn fit Chick. Hi everyone, So it's officially summer.
We were just talking about, like how sweaty we are

(01:51):
right now. It's not too bad in San Diego right now,
but I am about to. We're going into fourth of
July weekend, which is always steamy around here, and Margo
is on the very very warm East Coast, and so
we thought, why not, why not try a little Americana

(02:15):
Guthrie family. Goodness, we're gonna be talking about Alice's Restaurant
now before we get into all of that welcome, We're
glad you're here. I know we're gonna get a lot
of things wrong. They can't, we should. We should lead
with that. Boy, there's gonna be a lot, a lot
to unpack. We're doing another song to movie, so Alice's

(02:40):
Restaurant if you're familiar with the film and maybe not
familiar with the song not based on a book. When
we start. We've been doing this podcast for going on
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from some kind of original source. And sometimes it's a book,
sometimes it's a novel, it's fiction, it's nonfiction. Sometimes it's
a song, a magazine article, a poem, a play. Today
is a song to movie. We've done a few songs
to movies. There are quite a view of them out there,
and today we're going to be talking about our Low
Guthries Alice's restaurant. We are still looking for ideas for

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We have, of course the holidays coming up, and we
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ask that the source, the literary source, has to be
easy to get your hands on. We were just talking
about We've talked about in the past. Fast Times at
Richmond High is a very popular one. People say we
should do that when a Margo went to the high
school that it's based on.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
We would love to.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
We would love to That book is not a veil. Well,
you have to spend seventy dollars for a paperback from eBay.
So it has to be something we can get our
hands on. And the movie needs to be on a
major streaming app or the full movie needs to be
on YouTube. That's all we ask.

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We just need everybody to be able to get their
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why we also don't cover movies that are in the
theater right and it's so expensive now, So that's our
other Those are the rules, and that's it. Other than that,

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I don't know feel the dreams and we would consider
doing them again because the technology has evolved as we've

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Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, it's just we're just having fun here. We just
really this is just a place to just escape and
just have a lot of fun. Now, today's song. First
of all, it's twenty five thirty minutes long, depending on
which version you listen to, So we're going to give

(07:30):
you a lot of bang for your buck and also
talk about bang for your book. The movie is available
for free on YouTube right now. We will link it
in our Facebook group for folks to be able to
find it easily. And the song is written in nineteen
sixty seven. The or released in nineteen sixty seven. I
should say the movie comes out in nineteen sixty nine,

(07:53):
but I really feel like we have to start all
the way back in nineteen forty and now this is
very this is very apropos I think because I am
in California and you, Margo, are on the New York Island.
I'm in Brooklyn, and Arlow Guthrie. You know, is I

(08:16):
think he's like twenty years old when this song comes out?

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Right, Yeah, he's he's twenty and he's twenty two when
he makes the movie.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
He's a kid. He looks like a kid. When I
I was I had a very one of my many
points of privilege that I have, apart from like where
I've grown up and all kinds of things, one of
them is that I had the great fortune of getting
a bilingual education in a public school when I was

(08:47):
a kid at a very I mean, it's unthinkable now
the kind of education that I got to have for free,
and I went to a school here in San Diego
where half of the day was in English and half
of the day was in Spanish basically, and we would
I know, it was really amazing, and it was a

(09:07):
very diverse school. We had a lot of just every
kind of background and immigrants and military families and just everybody.
And we used to it was called Nester School, and
I think it's still there. It's close to the border.
And we used to begin we used to begin the
school day saying the Pledge of Allegiance, as children do

(09:31):
every single day, and then we would sing two songs. Now,
later when I went to other schools, we would do
this Pledge of legions, and we would also sing songs.
We would often sing like You're a grand old Flag,
or we'd sing like God Bless America, stuff like that.
And but at my first school, my first elementary school,

(09:52):
it was always the same two songs every single day.
And those two songs I feel and starting my day,
I feel what I'm trying to say is having be
like such an integral part of my early education, I
feel really shaped my worldview. And the two songs that
we would begin every day with after saying the Pledge
of Allegiance liberty and justice for all is we would

(10:12):
sing this land is Your Land, this Land is my land.
We would sing that every single day. And if you
don't know the history of that song, I encourage you
to look it up. And then we would sing unbelievably
because this is in the nineteen seventies when people were
still boycotting grapes. Then we would sing they colors in Spanish,

(10:34):
which is the anthem of the United Farmworkers.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Get Wow, publish that's what That's not the norm, y'all
in case you're wondering, but we didn't get that on
Long Island where I grew up.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
That is how we started every day. And so those
two songs are so important to me. And I just
loved this Land is Your Land. I mean, I just
I just thought it was such a great song, you know,
And as a kindergartener, I really love singing it every
single day. And that song, written by Woody Guthrie, the
famous scion of American folk music, was written as a

(11:15):
response to I believe it was a response to God
bless America. And again I encourage you to go and
read the lyrics, listen to the song, learn a little
bit about its history. But he was so influential on
such so many American giants of American music Joan Biez,

(11:40):
Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan, Springsteen, and on and
on and on and continues to continues to have an influence. Uh,
people are still performing. All you fascists are bound to
lose Billy Bragg and also so Tom Morello. Yeah, and

(12:03):
and he sadly, you know, he he had Huntington's disease.
You know, he was born in nineteen twelve. He dies
in nineteen sixty seven. He dies like the week that
this song comes out, that Ellis's restaurant comes out, and
it's like it's like the same, It's like within days,

(12:24):
I believe. And he was very very ill with Huntington's disease,
and it's I think he maybe tried to self medicate.
You know. He had a very complicated family history. He
was married three times and had eight children. His first wife,
he had a son and two daughters. And the son,

(12:53):
the son was killed in a in a car accident.
Is that right? Yeah, The son was killed in a
car accident at twenty three, and the two daughters died
also from Huntington's disease because it is hereditary. I cannot either.
They outlived him, but not by that much. And then

(13:13):
he marries Marjorie gle green Blot, that is Arlow's mom.
So with her he has four children, Arlow, Jody, Nora,
and Cathy. Who are I think I think they're all
still alive. But Nora is the one who manages the
Woody Guthrie estate these days. And then we'll get back

(13:33):
to Arlow. And then he, you know, his Huntington's disease
made him very paranoid and dangerous to his family. And so,
you know, it was the fifties, the dark ages compared
to now. And although you know, although she loved him

(13:56):
very much, I think she had to decide the family
or Woody, and she chose the family, and although they
remained very very close. And then Woody marries another woman
named Anka van Kirk and they have a daughter. That
daughter is killed in a train accident. I believe it was.

(14:17):
So he had eight children, but only the ones that
he had with Marjorie, the second wife. Only they survived.
And then he gets again, He gets very very sick,
and they get divorced because the sickness makes him very
like I said, very difficult to live with and dangerous
to himself and to others. And so he spends the

(14:40):
latter part of his life in a hospital. And Marjorie,
the middle wife, who's the parent, the mother of Arlow
and Jody and Nora and Kathy, she is really the
one who takes care of him all the way up
until his death, although they are no longer married. So
that's why when we get to the film, that's why

(15:01):
his mom is there. They weren't married, and he had
married somebody else and had a kid since in the interim,
then they divorced, but then they divorced and so but
she's still looking after him and making sure that he's okay.
So that's kind of the family that was around him.
I think when he when he died. I mean, we
can't go into his whole like musical history, because we'll

(15:22):
be here all day. But ar Low Arlow becomes you know,
it's there's the folk movement that's kind of started in
the sixties. I mean in the fifties, what do you
got throughes? Predating that what do you go threes? Like
back in the forties, and he's influencing those folk musicians
like Pete Seeger and Joe Bias, and then Peter Peter

(15:43):
Paul and Mary absolutely and who are bringing that folk
music from the fifties into the sixties. And then r
low is also, you know, a really gifted songwriter and
performer and musician, and like his sister Nora, a good steward.

(16:08):
I think of Woody Guthrie's legacy, and we'll talk a
little bit about that right now, but if you've ever
seen the I cannot stress enough how young, like what
a child Alo Guthrie is like when fame he's a
bade him like really fast. And also the point of

(16:28):
all of that was to say that when Arlo Guthrie
hits it really big in nineteen sixty seven, around the
time Alice's Restaurant. He had other hits too, but this
was is kind of the thing that he's most known for.
His father is dying. His father dies like that, like
I say, within days of the song coming out, and
there's a family legend that it's the last music that

(16:52):
Woody Guthrie heard was this record, which may or may
not be true, but it's kind of sweet to think of.
I think he was not verbal at the end, you know,
must have been just so I can't even imagine how
very difficult. So all what I'm trying to say is
he must have been the whole his whole family must
have been in a tremendous state of grief, to say

(17:15):
nothing of the fact that he's lost I don't know
at that point. He hasn't lost all of his siblings,
but I think he's lost one or two of them.
And you know, everything going on in the country with
the war in all, Wow, it's a lot. It's really
a lot. And he's just a kid and he gets
this massive, massive hit. He also had a hit with

(17:40):
It's a cover, but I was just hearing it on
the radio this morning, his version of City of New Orleans.
I love his version of my favorite. Yes, it's really
super too. He also has a song called Massachusetts, which
is the official folk song of the state of Massachusetts.
In case you were wondering, I don't know if California

(18:02):
has an official a song or that official Yeah, we'll
look that up. If you have, or let alone an
official folks song, I'm not sure what it would be.
And maybe that song about going to San Francisco and
flowers in your hair or something, Scott McKenzie. But so
he's born July tenth, pretty soon, his birthday's coming up,

(18:23):
nineteen forty seven in Brooklyn. So let's talk a little
bit about young Arlow Guthrie.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, so he's Blake, Margo said, nineteen forty seven. He's
from Coney Island. And you know, by the time, his
father is Woody Guthrie. So he is a musician. He's
obviously been raised with music and appreciating music. And here
it is in the mid sixties and he's figuring himself out.
He goes to college in Massachusetts and he kind of

(18:52):
studies and he kind of is finding his way around.
But it's the mid sixties. It's a lot and my father,
this is on this My parents were married, and even
though they were married and they had a kid, the
government was trying to get trying to draft my dad
for some reason. They had some kind of a wild
hair for my father. And he would talk about like
he and friends who were constantly being called to be inducted,

(19:15):
and he would have to say, no, I'm married, I
have a child, or was single. He's a kid, he's
a teenager, and he was constantly you know, young men
at that time were very, very worried about being sent
to Vietnam. We didn't know very much about in sixty five,
but we had a feeling it was not going to be.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
It was going to be. It was not. Yeah, we
just cut. The Korean War is not that far in
the background. And somebody was talking a some pundit I
was watching recently. I was talking about how like the
Korean were actually never officially ended, it's still kind of
going on. And so here we are coming into another

(19:57):
quagmire of a foreign war, or without a lot of
justification or very strong justification being given. The draft is
still in effect. Yeah, I can't. And again, his father
is dying from an hereditary, horrible disease that his sisters have.
He doesn't know if he has it or not. He's

(20:19):
so it's a lot, it's a lot. It's a lot.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
So he's in Stockbridge, Massachusetts, and he goes to school
and he becomes friendly with the woman Alice Brock and
her husband. They were both teachers at the school.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
And yes, I watched a few she's a she is
talk about a firecracker.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
She was.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
She died last year, last November. So and it's normally
there's this song is played around Thanksgiving, so we'll probably
replay this Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I thought this morning I was watching an interview with her,
and so yes, she and her husband, she was a
they were educators at this school where Arlogati knew Arlogati
from the time he was like fourteen. And she said
in this interview, and who knows, she's not the most
reliable narrator.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Just nobody's a reliable There's also a lot of weed.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
There's a lot of drugs here. Does she does not
do the drugs, but she does really enjoy she will
tell you the whiskey and and uh I think also
tobacco cigarettes. But anyway, she was saying that, So Alice
Brock came from kind of a well to do family

(21:38):
and and was a real like I said, super, what's
the word I'm looking for? I mean, she is a pistol.
She she's a force to be reckoned with and not
the not the stereotypical settle down, get married, have the

(21:58):
two point five kids kind of a gal. And her
family were a little bit like, what are we gonna
do with her? And so, you know, they help her
get an education, and they they helped her. I think
they even helped her get this job at the school.
And she was involved with Ray Brock, who was also
an educator at the school. And he was a little old,

(22:20):
he like ten years older than her. But the thing
was she could not She said she was not allowed
to teach at the school unless she was married. So
they were going to kick her out of the school
unless she married. So she marries Ray. They weren't married
that long, but they they did move into an unconsecrated

(22:41):
or is it right, unconsecrated, deconcentrated, something like that something
church they didn't like, move into somebody's church that they
were using. They bought it. They bought a church that
was no longer being used as a church, and they
were genuinely like living in this old church. And she
so she's she's the interview that I was watching, she

(23:05):
was sitting at a table at the table where they
had had this famed Thanksgiving dinner, and she said that
she had traded some of the church pews for the table.
She also shared that, you know, she had some lovely
adventures with men. Didn't say it was Ray per se,

(23:30):
but on the table, on the table, on the table Okay, okay,
it's the sixties. The sixties, but she contrary to the
the film's portrayal of her, which she was very unhappy with,
and I could totally understand why she insists that she

(23:50):
was absolutely faithful to her husband while they were married.
It wasn't for every long time. But but there are
a lot of things that actually happened that art in
the song and in the in the movie. Because of
the movie, she becomes a celebrity, which is also something
she was not that interested in doing. And she did

(24:13):
own a restaurant, as the song says, it was not
called Ellis's Restaurant, but it became very successful, and then
she had another successful restaurant. She wasn't like the greatest
business woman, and she even herself says she was kind
of micromanagy so and also drank. It's so, so there's that,

(24:36):
and but she was super successful, doing very large part
to this uh song and film, And so she became
she had got she got came into some money, but
didn't really know how to manage it. So she did
achieve her parents' dream of becoming financially independent of them,
but but she didn't manage it all that well, but

(24:59):
she's fine. She landed on her feet and then you know,
uh lived out the rest of her life as an artist.
I think in pro.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yes and she found her people there. Yeah, that's where
she she became an artist. They she she was very
sick towards the end of her life. She like I said,
she passed away last November. She they had to do
a GoFundMe to raise some funds for her, but they
raised a lot of money for her. So she was, oh,
you know, she was fine at the end. But yeah,
so Arlow is this woman. She's only seven years older

(25:30):
than Arlow. So he she's his teacher. He loves these
people that you know, she and her, He was very
close to them. He's in Massachusetts, his dad is dying
in New York, and he's a young man. He's like
trying to figure out who we and he wants to
be a musician. And you got to go on the
road and you got to kind of put yourself out there.
And then he has all these different stressors and then

(25:52):
and the shadow of his father's career, like what what's
Bob Dylan's Son's name? That was so cute that had the.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Jacob Dylan who's gorgeous the wallflowers.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Yeah, I mean to be the son of somebody like
that and have that last name. That's very catchy, right.
So he in nineteen sixty five, he and a buddy
go to the church house that they lived in, and
they really did take They had a bunch of if
you listen to the song, and there's like there's some
fun versions on YouTube you could find that are illustrated,

(26:27):
like people did their own thing with it where they
decided to take the junk out. They wanted to help
Alice because they were very grateful this beautiful Thanksgiving meal.
So they take all this junk and they put in
the VW bus and then the dump was closed because
it was Thanksgiving. So then they found some kind of
a ravine that already had some trash and like, well,

(26:48):
what's the big deal. Well, just this is before the
seventies where all of a sudden pollution people find.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Oh, yeah, this is pinture. Don't be a litterbug. And
the Native American cry.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
A Native American right, who may or may not have
been Native American. But that's a whole other story. We'll
talk about some other It was, it worked, It was
branding and it worked. So yeah, that really a lot
of things elements of the song really did happen. And
that would be nineteen sixty five, So he's eighteen years
old and then two years later he has this album

(27:19):
and as Margo said, his father passes away and he
has this album come out at the same time, which
is Bananas, and it's eighteen and a half minutes. And
it's funny because people said, oh, that's the same length
of Nixon's missing eighteen minutes you know from this, but
this is, you know, ten years it's where there was Watergate, right,
that's coincidence.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
He had performed this song live for like a year
or two before it was put on vinyl, so and
he kind of became known for doing this song and
this type of singing, these story telling kind of look.
I mean, he's very talented. It's very good. His singing

(27:59):
and his playing and his songwriting all super good. And
so you can see why he had such a smash
hit on his hands with this unlikely twenty some minute song.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
He shall also say, ah, let's also say nineteen six.
Starting in the mid nineteen sixties, there's album oriented rock.
It's AM radio and so you could play anything on there.
I mean, they could have a song that was like
eighteen minutes long, and that would be the DJ would
go to the bathroom or get a cigarette or so,
you know, they would play it for that reason. But people, Yeah,

(28:36):
it's a story song. It's just telling you a whole story.
And by the time you're done with the story, you're
very you very much want to know this Alice person,
because he keeps talking about her. It's Alice's restaurant and
they have everything except Alice. You know, you can't get her,
you know, so you get the idea she's a hottie,
but you know that he loves these people. And yes,

(28:56):
so then two years after that, and I was looking
at the dates for everything. This movie comes out in
August of sixty nine. Woodstock is August of sixty nine.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yes, and if he was at Woodstock, if you've ever
seen the Woodstock film, there's this very and and that performance.
He doesn't perform this song, but that performance is super
good too. He he plays it like midnight. I forget
which at what point in the concerts, you know, I
can't keep track of Woodstock. But so he's in.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
The film and he's still a baby. In this movie,
he's rapping with the Fuzzz. That's what he talks about.
I was rapping with the fuzz outside. It's this is
all very sixties. But he seems like a very jovial,
nice person.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
He seemed Jake a sweetie. He was married to his
wife for forty three years years and his kids are
also musicians.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
I mean, and he married so yeah, and he he
has a second marriage and with somebody he's known since
like the seventies. Well, so he's he seems like a
sentimental person. He seems like he's just a very nice,
nice man. It's like it's this one song he's mainly
known for, yeah and so, and it's eighteen minutes. I
can see how after a while that would be like

(30:14):
an albatross, like sort of yeah, like, okay, here's a
big chunk of my show.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I have to So he stopped performing it for a
long time, and actually the film and well we'll talk
we'll talk more about him the film part of his career.
But but yeah, so he did although he could. He
he's still performing today. All they all seem to be
doing great, all of the Guthrie family, or at least

(30:39):
this part of the guth three family, and uh yeah,
so I could I could totally not see like not
wanting to sing this song ever ever again and absolutely,
And then he kind of made the thing because people
kept asking for it. People people would threaten to leave
his concerts, and he would give them their money back
because he was like, that's how Adam and he was
to not want to sing. But then like when it

(31:02):
got to be big anniversaries of the song, and also
we we haven't talked about the lyrics too much, and
we'll talk about that next. I think, you know, it
is a song about the absurdity of war, and in
this case the Vietnam War, but really of war in general,

(31:25):
and the way that we run them and get into
them and and send people to fight them. And that's
really what the song is about, right, It's not about
our vice. It's more about the program. And so later on,
when we got into like the golf war and we
got into the you know, all of this situation that
we're in right now, he thought, you know, maybe it's

(31:50):
time to bring it back. And so look, every time
it's like a big anniversary of the song, he will
he will go, he will make the rounds and sing
the song for the people who want to and he's
adjusted it the lyrics. I think theer is definitely gone.
But it was I should say to you that it
was never meant as a slur. I don't. It doesn't

(32:14):
sound like it at all in the original song.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
No, he's talking about Hey, he's going. So he goes
to is a white hole street white the building in
New York City and that's where they would send, you know,
young men to be soldiers. But you would go and
you get wade. They would have a psychology test for
you and he you know, basically a lot of men
and Ted NuGen was one of them. There's quite a
few that said, if you act really nuts, they wouldn't Yeah,

(32:39):
that was that was a strategy. Or if you said
you were homosexual, yeah, you would then not be allowed
to be in the military. And so a lot of
men just said, yep, nope, that's yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
We have a friend, a very good family friend who
got out of the draft by pretending to be He
convinced them that he was a homosexual and he was not.
And there are a lot of that.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
The fled to Canada and then when Jimmy Harder became president.
He he pardoned all.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Just because they were criminals. I mean, he didn't hire
a secret police force to hunt them down, and.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
You know he no, nope, he just pardon them. It's
the Vietnam War is just probably the thing that tore
America apart, and it we're still getting the repercussions from it.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And so I do feel like it was a you know,
like when you in Catholic school and we had to
study the history of the Church, they talked about the
great schism it was. It does seem to be that,
doesn't it. It's some some great parting of ways in
our culture. I mean, we've talked about so many different

(33:40):
periods of American history, in particular where certain things like
homosexuality and you know, independent women, you know, things like
that come come in and out of fashion in our
are accepted in varying degrees, going way way, way way back.

(34:01):
But yeah, it's funny. I hadn't really thought about it
till you said it just now, But that does seem
to be a kind of critical point where it it
it wasn't just about a cultural thing, and it became
more of the cultural, became more political, and the machine is.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
The propaganda, and it was the money that was made
by going.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
To war, and so that's there's that.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
It's a very crazy time in the sixties at this time.
I mean, it's just like I said, it's so he's
he has this song, it's very successful. He then they
make this movie and he's starring in the movie. And
we have Arthur Penn, who's the director, and you and
I were talking off camp, off the air.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
We were saying, Penn, huh, you mean Bonnie and Clyde.
And then then this we decided this was where we
were gonna go. Okay, it's it's an odd choice.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
And there's some actors in this movie that are professional actors.
And there's people in this movie, like the cop that
he mentions in the story who said, you're not making
that movie with an actor. I am playing myself and
even though he's not much of an actor.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
But it doesn't you know, I mean, if he was
playing like I don't know, playing I don't know something right.
But it's fine.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
But but it's and it's filmed in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. It's
very much has that you know, New England kind of
flavor to it. And yeah, I mean it's uh, should
we played the trail and then start talking about this movie?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Okay, let's see here.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Hi, how you doing.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
I'm Marlow Guthrie and you've probably listened to a heard
about a thing called Alice's Restaurant. Now, as you know,
Alice's Restaurant is about some friends of mine, Alice and Ray,
who lives in a church in Stockbridge, Massachusetts, where Alice
ran her restaurant. Alice's Restaurant is not the name of
the restaurant. It was the name of my song about

(35:56):
the restaurant. You can get it. You are also, and
now it's the name of a movie based on my
song about Alice's Restaurant.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
You it be.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
As all about that beautiful Thanksgiving dinner which produced an incredible,
amazing I love garbage, which we tried real hard to
dump it the dump.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
And which we ended up dumping.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Off the side of a road where we were caught
red handed by some local citizens and eventually confronted by
none other than Officer Obi himself. We found your name
on a numblocal the bottom of a half a ton
of garbage.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
I just want to know if the information about it, yes,
their Officer Obi I cannot tell a lie. I put
that envelope under that garbage under arrest.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
It's all about the subsequent full scale police investigation completely
fired police officers, three police cars, one police and twenty
seven eight by ten colored glossy photographs with the paragraph
on the back of each one used as evidence at
the subsequent trial, which resulted in my conviction, a black
mark on my record, which eventually led me to my

(37:29):
problems with the draft.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
Cough, I ain't enough, so I had.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean, I mean, I'm sitting here on the group
w bench because you because you want to know if I'm.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
More enough to join the army. Burn women, kids, I
was throwing the bunches after being a layer bot.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Can we all like your kind?

Speaker 8 (38:04):
We're gonna send your fingerprints off the Washington.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
So I'm inviting all of you to meet me and
Alice and Ray and Officer Robie and all kinds of
groovy people doing all kinds of groovy things that are
all part of that Alice's Restaurant Antime massacre movement that
you can join by digging this film or by singing
the song in four part harmony with feeling, you can

(38:29):
get anything you want.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
That Alice's rest.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Of this is one of those three minute trailers, by
the way, I should have worn.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
He is a baby, he's so cute.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
He does a good job. I think he's very good.
He's very good. He's a natural. I think he's done
some actings.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yes, I believe, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I cast here.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Let me put on my glasses. I want to read
this cast list.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Really, there are so many uncredited performances in this film,
and it's really hard to identify a lot of the
people that are in it. Sadly, but there, you know.
But the folks that we.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Do know, yeah, I mean, well, so it's a Arlow
of course is himself, Pat Quinn as Alice. James Broderick
Matthew Broderick's father, by the way, and the dad from
family he plays Ray Brock.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Christy mcnicholl.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I wanted to beat Christy mcnichkell when I was a kid.

Speaker 9 (39:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Pete Seeger plays himself. Lee Hayes Tina Chen there Uh,
oh my god. Joseph Bowley plays Woody Guthrie, James Hannon
as himself. The blind Judge is actually in this. William Obenheim,
the officer, Obie all these people.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I mean, mm at Walsh what you saw in the
as the drill.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Sergeant Shelley Plimpton is Reenie, She's like a teenage fan.
That's Martha Plimpton's mother. I mean, just Sylvia Davis is
Marjorie Guthrie.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
There's some really great people.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
And there's also, i think just some non actors that
are here as well.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I think, so there's there's The order of events is
different in the in the movie than in this song,
because the song is all about all of this, you know,
this very long folksy story about how he got arrested

(40:43):
for littering, and because he got arrested for littering, he
was deemed unfit to go and kill people in Vietnam.
It's so, but the order of things is a little
bit different because we have to have you know, more
plot if you will want to call it that, in
the in the movie. So we when we start, I

(41:03):
think we start out with him going to the draft office, right, No,
or is that later on? There's a couple of times
he goes to the yeah office, that's right at the
end yea yeah, yeah yeah, so oh yeah, he goes
to draft us and then he decides to go to college.
There's this whole sequence where he goes to college and
in the movie, so he did actually go to college

(41:26):
in Building Spontana briefly so, but in the movie I
think it's it's shown it's a little bit different anyway. Yeah,
Alice and Ray are this kooky, slightly older couple and
they have they've known Arlow for a long time, just
like the real Alice. And the real Alice is actually
in this movie. She's she shows up here and there

(41:49):
as a you know, as an extra. But Alice in
the movie.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
M her relationship with Ray is And I don't know
if this is unintentional. I think we talk a lot
now about women and the happiest women are single women,
and then I think it's widows or it's seriously, but
that the emotional toll that women put into relationships that

(42:18):
are expected of us from and I'm an oldest daughter.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I am also an oldest daughter, right, that's also like
part of that too.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
In that here she is it's her idea for the restaurant,
and she's married to this older man. He's ten years
older than her, but he thinks he's a teenager. And
it's very odd because it's I always think it's the
dad from family, you know, and it's.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
So good to think of him as that. But he's
not that yet, right right. And he was also in
the al Pacino movie the It.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Yes he's the cop and All Day Dog Day Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
So yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
So but he's playing like he's like an over aged
hippie piece, which is here, he's doing a good job.
He's great, he's a great actor. But here's Alice, and
she's like, it's like she married a child basically. So
she's the one that's like, I have to get this restaurant.
I have to put it together. I have to get
the menu together. I have to get the food. I
have to cook the food. I have to serve the food.

(43:10):
I have to be in charge of the money. And
she's exhausted and she's like she's had it. And also
she has this earthy sexy quality, so like everyone's also
hot for her as well. But there's a couple of
scenes where she and her husband are trying to like
have some time alone together in the hay in the attic,
but there's all this but me.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Mom is invited like twenty kids into their place, and
he as I remember men doing at the time in
the seventies, certainly he would be like, oh, Alice can
run the restaurant. Oh Alice can cook for everybody. Oh
Alice can do this, Alice can do that. Alice is like,

(43:50):
is anybody gonna ask me if I want to or
if I'm busy or am I tired? I have time
to bake a cake?

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Can She has him to cut the cake, and he's
sort of like, oh, yeah, it's I mean I think
it's also, yeah, I think it's sort of like it's
it's early talks of like, you know, women's rights and
women like women, all the labor that women put into relationships,
Like that's what she's putting into this thing. And so yeah,
she's you know Alice. In the story, you think like,

(44:19):
oh Alice, she's like she loves this restaurant and she's
like everyone and in the movie she's tired.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Alice. Alice has not made some Alice is not great
at picking men, her pickers off. She wanted you know,
for whatever reason. H Yeah, Alice is like a story
arc is just of this woman who is you know,
one born in the wrong time, you know, not a
lot of options for autonomy, and she real bad at

(44:49):
picking the men and she she okay Arlo. And this
is like, this is all stuff that's added in the
film that's has nothing to do with this and certainly
nothing to do with the real people involved whatsoever. As
we said, Alice Brock, who was married to Ray Brock,
absolutely swears up and down that she was never unfaithful

(45:12):
to Ray. They were not married for very long, and
they might.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Know and by the way, they got divorced by the
time the song came out, well, no, when I think
or when the movie came out right right right when
they filmed.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
The day they filmed the wedding in the movie, I
think it's the day that their divorce was finalized. So
it was not long. It was not a long marriage.
They did not have kids. And but she insists that
she was that you know, they were not unfaithful to
each other. She also said, I think she says a
fan that he was not anyway. So that's like she

(45:44):
keeps throwing herself at these young men that her husband
keeps bringing into their place and forcing her to cook
and cling for and Arlow has Arlow shows up and
he knows these people too. He knows these young people
as well. We don't get the backstory about like Ray

(46:07):
and Alice being the educators and knowing them that way.
But it's fine. And there's one friend of Arlow's who
is struggling with heroin and not in the song, not
in the song, and by all accounts, not in not

(46:29):
in the story, in the real story at all, and
Alice is carrying on an affair with him and thinking
that somehow she is going to be his cure for
his heroin addiction, Like okay, Alice, Oh at Alice. And

(46:50):
then at some point she also like tries to sleep
with Arlow, which yeah, so I get it. I get
why Alice Brock was like less than thrilled, and Arlo
Guthrie too is like it's not exactly my vision, but okay,
And but they both made money off of the whole enterprise.

(47:15):
And there was some apparently some I wrote some animosity
that on the set Arlow had like a limousine and
everybody else had like to get themselves to and from
the set, oh, which I could understand, like being Alice,
maybe like maybe we could get Alice a car, you know,

(47:37):
she should just have a car, you know, couldn't be
that hard, and so there was a little bit of animosity,
but nothing big. They remained friends to the very end,
and the actual church is now the Guthrie Center and
it continues to preserve American folk music with performances and

(48:02):
exhibits and so, you know, a really cool legacy which
is maybe slightly merged by this film. That's what I'm saying,
should we play the clip?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
But because also what he's dealing with is his father
is dying, so every once in a while he goes
home to New York that I do too. So we
have a scene and it's it's it's it's not his
father's dead at this point a father's playing hand, yes,
but it is Pete Seeger that's in the yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Who was a friend of the family and almost certainly
would have been. So there's no announcement like, oh, hey,
it's Pete Seeger Arlow just and remember people at the
time knew who all these people were, you know, so right,
there was no need to like point out that it's
Pete Seeger and be like, hi, Pete Seeger.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
It would be like Bono showing yeah basically in a movie,
like you don't have to explain who that we know
who he is or Springsteen or whatever you want to say.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
There's yeah, there's multiple scenes and this is what it's
like when you have a parent who was sick. There's
multiple scenes where Arlow goes and like sees how he's doing. Oh,
he's not doing any better, and oh god has he
He hasn't talked in so long and oh gosh, and
and he's really not getting better, and the mom's like, no,
he's not. And he goes back and forth, and one

(49:17):
time he just walks into the hospital room and uh,
there's Pete Seeger singing to his dad. Here we go.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
I worked in your archers, the beaches and crooms, slept
on the ground, the light of the moon, on the
edge of the city.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
He's getting worse.

Speaker 10 (49:44):
Now he seems fine again. We just don't know what
to expect.

Speaker 7 (49:48):
And we're going win the win California, Arizona, make all
your crops. Then it's up north to Oregon to gather
your hops, dig the beats from your ground, cut the

(50:12):
grapes from your vine, the boat on your table, bath lights,
sparkling wine.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yes, I don't know how he could play those scenes
like that guy that cannot have been two years since
he lost his father.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
I mean that would be Beve, you and I both
lost our that would be yeah, I can't imagine that.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I think not knowing and he talks, he brings up.
I liked this so that when he's in the draft
office and they're asking him about the taking his medical
history and he's like, yeah, hey, my dad has Huntington's
and my sister's habit and it you know, we know
that it runs in the family. Just FYI. And they're like, well,

(51:04):
you don't have it, and he's like.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Well, and he never got by the way he's but at.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
This point in his life, when he's still a baby,
he doesn't know. I mean good. I'm just I was
very impressed that.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
This is all real, Like when you're watching this, because
it does it's sort of like, what do you mean,
Pete seeger would he got three in a hospital together?
That really happened. Yeah, that's really his life. Yeah, that's
that's the inspiration for what they're doing. So, yeah, he
has one friend that has problems with drugs. He has
another friend that hangs out with him that is like
his sidekick.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, he's the one that's in the song that they
drive together and the BW minibus and the dumps. The
dump is closed, so it's a meandery like the song.
You know, it's an hour and fifty minutes. The pacing's

(51:59):
a little touch and go. The song has better piecing
than the movie. Yeah, the movie is a little Yeah.
Should we can we play another? Let's play let's do
the wedding clip? Okay?

Speaker 11 (52:13):
Cool?

Speaker 8 (52:26):
And Adam said, we're for a man shall leave father
and mother and shall leave to his wife, and he
shall be two in one place. Alice, do you take
this man to be your lawful, loving man for bad
or or better, for drunk, or a sober, for high

(52:48):
or for lower, for a husband and lover today and
tomorrow death?

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Do you part?

Speaker 4 (52:56):
I do? Ray?

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Do you take this woman to be your ever wedded
woman for bitchy and giving, for love, and for living
in peace and dissension, in health and affliction to day
and tomorrow till death?

Speaker 7 (53:15):
Do you part? I do.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Gee?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I wonder what decade that is? So this is the
end of the movie. The movie ends with It's an
interesting choice. The movie ends with all of the sleeping
around and everything that's happening. It ends with Alice and
Ray deciding to get married again in the church with

(53:53):
she now fixed up a bit with all of these kooky,
groovy kids. But then but the actual final shot of
the film is Alice alone in her wedding dress on
the steps of the church, looking off into the distance.

(54:18):
Certainly dress the part, but you could see on her
face is like, is this actually what is this all
there is? You know? Is that all there is?

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Yeah, she's thinking of her choices. I mean women weren't
allowed to have a credit card women at this point,
No they are not. No, No, I mean you you
have limited options. And so she's going with you know,
she loves him. I mean, is she happy? You know,
she's she's going along with it. They have a restaurant together,
they have a life together, they have mutual friends. They

(54:53):
like where they live. You know, you see, you're always
just taking a shot, right you just yeah, that's all
it is. And yeah, I wish I had a clip
of I do like the induction scenes where the second
time he goes back and he actually he goes down
to his underwear. He has to like, I think that's
all really well done, Yeah, which we saw on the

(55:13):
trailer Yeah, he's in his underwear. And then so he's
sitting there and they're sort of like decided, like there's
a screw loose with this guy. So they have like
a room for guys like that, and he's trying to
like figure his way to fit in, and then they
eventually like all become friends. But it's all these terrified
eighteen to twenty year olds like wondering, you know, how

(55:34):
do I get out of this?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
What are they putting me into?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Because as I said, it's a it was a quagmire Vietnam.
It was a terrifyingly by this point. Yeah, we knew nine,
we knew we were in trouble. Yeah, there's there's a
lot of fun moments in this movie. And I think
I think Arlo Guthrie does an awesome job. I think

(55:57):
the music is good. I just don't understand the choices
with the character of Alice. I mean I understand to
a certain degree. I like that we have Alice. She's
too old.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
She's older than these people, so she doesn't have as
much of a future ahead of her as they have. Right,
she only has so many options, as you said, and
she's grappling with that. By sleeping with these men. I
don't that part. I don't know. You know, she contends

(56:33):
that she is. That's you know, that's kind of you know,
the real Alice is such a fascinating person. You know,
she really made a very great success as a restaurateur
and then you know, she lost it at the she
lost she had one restaurant that like really blew up

(56:55):
and it was there for a long time and I
forget something happened that was kind of beyond her controlled
and then she had to close it. And like I said,
she eventually just kind of became an artist. But she
definitely with all of the constraints that she had on her,
she seemed to have found a way to always live
life on her own terms. Mm hmm. And and it's

(57:19):
a shame that it got you know that that's how
that was interpreted by the men who wrote this screenplay.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Yeah, and it's the men that are in charge of
the storytelling about this woman. And she's yeah, she's very independent,
she's her own person. You know, they're taking a song
and they're making it into an almost two hour movie.
They have to kind of stretch the truth a bit
and to make it make sense. I don't know I

(57:48):
thought it was. I think it's perfectly fine. Yeah, I
think I think the song is more fun great than
the movie.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I think I enjoy the song. They both make the
same point, but I like the you know, it sounds
weird to say it about a twenty minute song. I
like the clarity of the message of the song better.
You know, he's he's able to weave in all these
extra characters and and seemingly meanderie subplots, but it's going

(58:19):
someplace definite in a way that brings you along and
really drives the message of the song home. Whereas with
the movie, there's a lot of muddying water.

Speaker 12 (58:35):
We're trying to dis squeeze all of the six motorcycles.
So yeah, there's the whole thing with the motorcycle racing,
Like why why are we doing that? I think a
real way did motorcycle was a motorcycle enthusiast. But but yeah,

(59:01):
like the whole bag thing is a real summer and
you go from having it the right party. The thing
about the song is that it's life hearted like la
la la la la la la la la la oh War.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
The tone is consistent. It's a very inconsistent tone.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Here exactly exactly, and so I think everybody's doing a
good job. Yeah, it's really just the script that I
object to. It's just a little mess messy, it's messy,
and even like the direction is okay, it's fine, it's

(59:43):
person right.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I was like, this is not an O tour. I mean,
Arthur Penn is a very good director. I don't I'm
not quite sure what's going on here.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
It's once again, it's the sixties. It's like it could
be a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Uh yeah, So for me, it's the song this. Although
I enjoy this, you know, I did enjoy watching it.
I was it was thought provoking, like the song, you know,
considering it's nineteen sixty nine, nineteen sixty eight, when we're
still filming this the first time, when he's in the

(01:00:21):
draft office, when he's talking about having Huntington's in the family,
there is an allusion to somebody being either being gay
or pretending to be gay. He's knitting, knitting, and he
takes his knitting up to the desk. But that's it.

(01:00:42):
He doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
But that's enough code at the time that somebody would
be like, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
But It's not mocking, is what I'm saying. Like, it's
not mocking gay, I understand it. Yeah, And I was like, oh,
interesting choice. I kind of like wow, So I really
liked that. And and the women are kind of interesting

(01:01:11):
as a study of again the times and what kind
of a world it was for women who were getting
more education than they had before, but not getting more
opportunities than they had before. And in some ways they're
viewed more as equals, but in other ways you have

(01:01:31):
this like groupie, like what is she doing trying to
sleep with you know, a teenage folks? What do you doing? Kid?
And it's not done in a way that's mocking them either.
It's just like a this is what's going on. But
you got to pick a lane. Yes, it's trying to

(01:01:55):
say a lot. It's a little and we're cramming so
much into this thing. Yeah, so much.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
And and the song was a little bit more clear
about I mean, what it was about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, So yeah, I want to I want to play
the Funeral song because I think it's a good example
of what we're talking about here. Should we play it on?
Is it our last clip? Did we play all the Okay,
we'll play it on the way out and you'll see

(01:02:28):
what we mean, like all of a sudden that the
thing screeches to a halt. Like I said, we have
this one character who's dealing with the heroin addiction is
also sleeping with Alice, and he overdoses and and everything
screeches to a halt with this song. And it's not
a bad song, it's just it's a Joni Mitchell song. Yeah,

(01:02:50):
it's a good song. It's well written, it's just it's
kind of jammed in there, so you know, play it
for you before the crowd.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Stuff I liked. There was a lot of choices that
I liked. I like where Arlow is on the because
Arlow gets kicked out of school, which means that now
he's eligible for the draft. So he it's all about
this this tension of oh is he going to be
drafted now? So a lot of the movie is that,

(01:03:23):
like he's got to stay in school, and now he's
not in school, so now he's sort of just at
loose ends and unless something happens, he's going to be
eligible for the draft. Anybody watching it at the time
is gonna is going to know that I like that
scene where he goes by the He's like walking by
the tent revival the evangelical guy in the and he's

(01:03:45):
kind of thinking about his father's life on the road
as a musician and kind of wondering, like, is this
the kind of life that I want? And what did
he see when he came through this America? And so
I like those those bits. But yeah, it's just it's
a little too much. It's a little too much. We

(01:04:08):
need to just need to, yeah, just tidy this up
a bit. And so yeah, song song. But I enjoyed
the film. It's it's still worth staying.

Speaker 7 (01:04:21):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Oh, absolutely, and this is it was a really fun discussion.
I like talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I enjoyed learning about learning about all these people that
I didn't really know that much about. Let's talk about
what we're doing next.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
So there's a new documentary. As the time that we're
taping it, it's new. It's on HBO Max. I think
they're going back to HBO Max. Who knows what it.
Mariska Hargatea has a documentary that she directed. It's about
her mother, Jane Mansfield, and it's called My Mom Jane.
And I saw it this the other night. Cried my
eyes out. It's really beautifully done and I we just

(01:05:00):
I did like maybe there's a Jane Mansfield movie that
we could talk about. So we're gonna be talking about
the Girl Can't help It and I've already forgotten Margo,
Like what is this based on it? It's based on
a short story.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Based on a short story by Garson Kanaan, who we
talked about when we talked about Born yesterday with Judy Holliday,
remember takes and Ruth Gordon. Ruth Gordon, who we all
know is Maud from Harold and Maud, but she's also
a brilliant writer.

Speaker 11 (01:05:28):
And Rosemary's Baby, that's another one we've covered. Yeah, So
Garson Kanaan wrote this short story, short story called doray Me.
It was published in The Atlantic. I don't know if
it was originally published in the Atlantic. Anyway, I found it.
I will put it in the Facebook group.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
And also the movie is on I think is on
YouTube future and we'll also share that with y'all as well.
There are some incredible music guests in that movie, including
Little Richard Back that's Domino. Oh there's another one that
I'm forgetting. Jean Tierney, not Gean Tierney. What's your name?

(01:06:08):
Oh gosh, Geen p Hitney, thank you. Gan. Tiranny is
Laura Laura Geene Pitney, who I love. And I found
a wonderful clip of John Waters talking about this film.
It's I'm so excited to see it again. I haven't
seen it in a really, really long time. And it
stars Jane Mansfield and the guy who was in The

(01:06:31):
Seven Year Itch, which we also Tom You Mule with
Marilyn Monroe, so he's also terrific. We don't talk about
him enough. I feel very excited to talk about the
girl can't help it. Also really love that song It's
Little Richard. Very excited. I'm very excited we and I

(01:06:51):
haven't seen the documentary yet. I'm dying to see the documentary.
I am upset. I love Jane Mansfield. Sometime when I
was a kid, I saw they used to run the
old episodes that This is Your Life. Oh yes, yes,
did you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Ever see the TV movie with Lonnie Anderson and Arnold Schwetzenager.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
So I remember that Lonnie Anderson film and I at
the around the same time I saw this This Is
Your Life with Jane Mansfield and I was blown away.
I was a kid. I was blown away by how
brilliant she was and educated and wow, so so excited
to talk about Dane Mansfield next week. I'm not quite

(01:07:31):
sure what say yet. We're still we're figuring that out now.
And Margot, where can people find you online?

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
Well, let me just repeat that all those places I
mentioned at the top of the show social media wise,
we're always looking for suggestions, so please reach out to us.
Our email once again is Book Versus Movie Podcast at
gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
And Margot, where can they find you? Well, you could
find me online. She's not your mama. That's everywhere I'm
She's not your mama. All my social media call out
and my book and so on is at coloniabook dot com.
And where can they find you?

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
I'm at Brooklynfichick dot com. I'm at Brooklyn Fichick for
threads and Instagram. I'm at Brooklyn Margo for Blue Sky
and TikTok, and my YouTube is at my name Margot Donahue.
All right, everybody, we're going to play one more clip
and then the credits. Thank you so much for listenologies
in advance.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
It's kind of a bummer. Let me find it. Where
is it? It's that one. It's a beautiful song, but
uh it's not yet, Johnny Mitchell. Here we go.

Speaker 9 (01:08:36):
By the drubbing light machine in a TV trends rang
Dudes from the King.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Songs to Aging Children, Come.

Speaker 9 (01:08:57):
Aging Children, I am people, hurry bye so quickly? Don't
they hear the melodies in the whining and the clicking
and the loving harmonies. Songs to aging children, Call aging children?

Speaker 10 (01:09:33):
I am Oh, thank you so much for listening to
the Book Versus Movie Podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
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(01:10:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
This is Margo d.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
And you can find me at my blog Brooklynfitchick dot
com and I'm at Brooklynfitchick for threads and Instagram, and
on TikTok I'm at Brooklyn Margo. I'm also at Brooklyn
Margo for Blue Sky Margo P. You can find her
on all social media at She's Natcho Mama. We really
appreciate the listen and if you have ideas for us.

(01:10:46):
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