"Breakfast with Scot" (2007) Michael Downing, Tom Cavanagh, Ben Shenkman, & Noah Bernett

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
He's in Uh Brazil, isn't he Brazil?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Probably why we can't find.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Him Short of searching the jails in the alleys, I
don't know where else to look.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Samon's brother not so good at keeping in touch.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well we have a problem then, seeing is Billy Scott's
guardian and.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
All who's got Wait? Uh, Billy was working at a
resort somewhere. Who's got I mean, assuming he's managed to
keep the job. Maybe we could track him down that way.
Who who's gott now Julie's son.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Julie's Julie's Julie had a son.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
And Billy's a dad.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
He's not Scott's dad, I mean not by birth anyway,
but according.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
To Julie's will he is now.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Billy's not really father the material he's a loser, I mean,
I don't see her giving him custody of her son.
And Billy wouldn't take Scott unless there's money involved. I
think there's money involved. Proof this is dated five years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, she died of an overdose. I don't think keeping
her personal filed updated was uppermost on her mind.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Where Scott now Child Services Ottawa and he's okay there
until we find Billy.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
We feel we being child Services, it would be better
for the ward to settle into his permanent home, or
until we can find Billy your home. Congratulations, your dad's.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
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this is my good friend and co host Marco die
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Speaker 6 (01:43):
Hi.

Speaker 7 (01:43):
Everyone, Happy Pride, and actually as we record this, it
is also Father's Day and this is a very Father's
Day e kind of a film.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
We're very excited to talk about Breakfast with Scott. We'll
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Speaker 5 (05:52):
I was just gonna say, I forgot all about The
Spy Who Loved Me, which is a very fun episode,
so fun. Maybe just don't read that book. Just just
save yourself, save your precious time. We tell you why,
well you'll hear the episode and here why just oh

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just don't just.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
H mabulous Bond movie, A great Bond movie.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Loved the movie spoiler alert. Loved the movie. Hated the book.
Might be the worst book we've ever.

Speaker 8 (06:25):
Covered, one of them. It's up there with Jaws. It
is definitely up there with Johns and the Graduate that
we hated. That made us angry, like we were hate
reading after a while.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
But we were not.

Speaker 8 (06:40):
We were not hate reading this week. No, no, we weren't.
And so we're talking about Breakfast with Scott and Margot
came up with this. This is a movie I think
aired on Lifetime Movie Channel or something like a few
years ago, and I found it and I just was like, oh,
I like Tom Cavin, I'll watch this thing. And I
totally forgot about it. But it's this is a really

(07:01):
sweet film. If you haven't heard about it, it's streaming,
you know, for free, in a bunch of places, and
the book is pretty easy to get your hands on.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah. I had never heard of the book or the movie.
I came across it on a list of films for
Pride Month. And I had also never heard of our writers.
So let's talk a little bit about Michael Downing. So
my cause there's I was gonna say, there's a lot
of differences between the book and the movie, a lot,

(07:31):
but I find them both good. But let's let's yeah,
Michael Downing is extuet like he's like a bit of
an academic.

Speaker 8 (07:38):
He yo, yeah he was. He taught it toughs for
twenty years.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
And I love that the book opens.

Speaker 8 (07:46):
Should I give the bio?

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Oh yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
Sorry, we also so let me give you a quick bio.
We also, I was telling Margo off the air, I
have a friend that's Michael Downing, our author today was
her uncle and he passed away a few years ago,
and so she sent me a note saying, I can't
believe the Margots are covering this. This is so cool.
So let's talk about Michael Downing. He was born May eighth,
nineteen fifty eight in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. He was a writer

(08:12):
and an academic. As Margot just said, he taught creative
writing for a very long time at Tufts University. My
cousin went to Tufts University. He wrote several several books.
There's the Chapel Still in Love. That was his last book.
He sadly passed away February in twenty twenty one at
the age of sixty two. And I asked my friend

(08:34):
is there something she wanted us to mention about him?
And she said, Michael. In addition to being an author,
Michael taught creative writing at Toughs for twenty years and
was beloved by his students. And he was an amazing
uncle who passed his love of the written word onto
his nieces and nephews. That's so sweet, isn't that sweet?

(08:56):
And if you go to Michael Downing Books, there's a
long you know, all of his books are listed there,
and there's a very long bio you can read about him.
But this book comes out in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
One of the things that I really loved about this book,
or I've just enjoyed on a personal level was Yes,
you know, like Michael Downing, the main character, is also
an academic living in Boston. He writes for an art magazine.
He's like, he's an art historian. I was a student

(09:29):
at Boston University getting my degree in art history, and
so there's a lot of visiting of museums and like
they talk about and visiting museums at a time when
I was visiting museums as a student, and so I
was at the Isabella Stuart Gardner Museum every chance I got.
And I really so I really loved that thread of

(09:51):
it was just really fun for me because it was
that era in Boston, in that art world. Like it's
such a specific thing.

Speaker 8 (09:58):
It really is. And I was thinking about about you
as I was reading it. I was like, because Marco
graduated there, like in the nineties, she was in Boston
with her husband. Uh, and you're you're an art historian.
Is that the museum where they had the robbery? Yes,
and it still hasn't been solved. It's never been solved.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
No, And I want to say that the anyway, there's
a really amazing I don't know if it's a series
or if it's a documentary about the robbery. It's so
so good. Cannot remember the name of it, but it's
it's on Netflix. Yeah, it's on Netflix. But this story
we have it's hard to Okay. So it's after the

(10:40):
AIDS epidemic, right, and our our society is getting you know,
it's still don't it's after a's epidemic, but it's still uh,
don't ask, don't tell. I think it's still going on.

Speaker 8 (10:58):
Clinton is president Clinton.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
And as president, and it's it's people in some cases
are cool being out and in other cases are not
safe being out, and so you know, it's it's not
a completely different world, but different, but it is a
bit different, you know, a slightly. It's an evolving landscape.

(11:23):
We have our couple in the book. They're called Ed
and Sam Sam. I forget what Sam is is he?
I think he's chiropractor. Oh yeah, he's a chiropractor. Yeah
he's Sam is a chiropractor. Totally different than the film.
Sam is a chiropractor. Ed is again an academic and

(11:44):
art historian who writes for this magazine. And Sam has
this flaky brother named Billy. Billy had a girlfriend named
Julie who was had a lot of substance issues, and
Julie also has a son named Scott. And Julie dies,

(12:09):
possibly of an accidental overdose. It's not really clear if
it was something that was intentionally done or not. But
the long and the short of it is Scott is
left in child Protective Services, although Billy has been named
as his guardian. So Billy has fled basically has flitted

(12:33):
off to Brazil no Peru in the book, I think
it is, and leaving so Sam, who's like a good
kind of upstanding guy, he's like, Okay, well, I guess
we'll take care of Billy, and I mean, we'll take
care of Scott until Billy can come and get him.
And so they agree, No, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

(12:55):
That's not what happens. That happens in the movie, not
in the book. In the book, Sam and Ed discover
that Julie has named them as Scott's guardians, and they're like, like,
this is just so your your brother's girlfriend's kid, and
your brother's not really in your life, but she's named

(13:17):
you as the guardian. And there's this thing of they
produced these so called letters where they they're claiming that
that Sam has agreed to be the guardian of Scott,
and they're totally forged. They're very clearly forged. But Sam's like, well,
we still, you know, somebody's got to look after this kid.

(13:39):
Like well, so they.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
They meet him, or they know about him when he's young.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Before, they have met him before. He's not a total stranger.
Ed totally knows who Scott is and is aware of
his existence and all of that. So Scott comes to
live with them and Ed and Sam, you know, have
and again this was a we didn't have pictures of

(14:05):
you know, gay domestic life in popular literature at the time.
You know, it's not something that you read about all
the time. So just the fact that they have this life,
they have this home life, you know, they they have friends,
they have neighbors that they had people they're coworkers at
the magazine and so on that are these figures in
their lives. And again that chosen family idea that we've

(14:28):
talked about. So so they've introduced this child into the mix,
which okay, you know, it's something that was going on
in the nineties, like we were having more and more
of these of families with you know, two parents of
the same sex or different, different than the what do

(14:51):
they call that? The nuclear family norm?

Speaker 8 (14:54):
Right, it's kind of like an extension from Kate and
Ally and like my two dads, the idea of just
two people raising a kid together. It could be a
romantic partnership or could be roommates or whatever. But it's
funny because I and I appreciate this. Look at it
is that Ed? And I'm sorry? What is it's? Ed
is salmon salmonet. So Ed is our narrator. We learn

(15:17):
everything through Ed's eyes. And Ed is not a fashion
gay or a glitter gay or a rave gay. He
is just he's an academic person. He's a dude that
just happens to be gay and has you know, a husband.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
And both of them are kind of like that.

Speaker 8 (15:34):
Yeah they're not they're flamboyant, they're not you know, they're
quite dull. Yeah they ad man. Yeah, they don't like
to party, they don't want to do any of that stuff.
And they also just have like lives that they like too,
Like they have their downtime, they have their their hobbies
and the things they like to do. And it's used
to be like I guess, like I had a gay
friend said one of the joys of being gay was like,

(15:55):
nobody bugged you about getting married and having kids right
as a single woman, Like people constantly give me that crap.
But now everybody's expected to like, well, you don't have
to be married, and you could be in a throttle
or you could be why aren't you doing this? Like,
oh my god, but this is nineteen ninety nine. I
mean there, it's it's there. And I just realized as
I'm watching this, it's got kind of that baby boom

(16:16):
kind of vibe like Diane Keaton, like it's a baby.
It's like, I never even I don't even know what
this is about, but it's the same thing.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
It is, And they're they're not at all. They have
no point of reference for taking care. And they do
have some women in their lives who are also kind
of unconventional, but they are there. They pop in and
out of the story to kind of help them out.
Sam has a sister as well. I think, who, I

(16:48):
forget what the deal is with the sister, but anyway,
they The point is they end up with this child,
and very quickly it becomes a parent that this child
Mark just to the beat of his own drummer. It's
not clear like is he on the spectrum? He maybe

(17:08):
he just he's not consumed with trying to fit in
in any way. You know, he's he's gonna wear what
he wants to wear. If that's glitter nail polish and
and a feather boa and combat boots, that's what the
kid's gonna wear. So so, but but it unlike in

(17:35):
the film, in the book, Sam and Ed, I feel
like Sam and Ed are more of a team in
the book than they are in the film. Right, they definitely,
And it's really interesting to see that because they have
clearly have a very strong relationship, and so they are
conferring back and forth with each other the whole time,

(17:56):
like okay, is it right to what's the right thing
for us to do here? Or like do we do
we do? We encourage him to do this and he
gets punched in the face school do we right step
in and like help him fit in? What are the
right things to do? And so it's really just a
story about them having an unconventional kid for whatever reason,
he's unconventional, like and it's not really clear.

Speaker 8 (18:19):
We don't know, he doesn't know, even problem doesn't know. Yeah,
he's just and they and they're and they grew up
knowing what it's like to be bullied for being different
and how terrifying that is. So for them, like it's
a safety thing. They just want him to be safe,
but they also are protecting themselves because they're not out
to everybody.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Not completely no, you know, because it wasn't completely safe,
and it's not completely safe now, speaking of which I
was speaking of being not completely safe. I was we
were talking yesterday as we were recording this. Yesterday was
No King's Day. They were mass rallies all over the world.

(18:57):
I was only at the one San Diego went for
a little bit. I had to I had to work yesterday,
So I went down took some pictures and then I thought, well,
I'll take a I'll take a one of those app
driver back to the hell home. And and so the

(19:17):
driver picked me up. And at that point I had
stuffed my sign in my backpack, so there wasn't anything
that I didn't necessarily have to be there for that reason,
you know. And so as he was driving me home,
the driver was like, because we were stuck in traffic
because everybody was trying to get out of downtown. He's

(19:38):
like conferring with the protesters, and I like, I wasn't
really clear. I think he was sort of making fun
of them. And he was like, yeah, didn't shoot, He
says to me, yeah, didn't.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
You know?

Speaker 5 (19:54):
There seemed to be like a lot of gay people around.
Like what, oh my god, what does that have to
do with anything? And I was like, well, I guess,
you know. And then and then he started talking about
some other stuff and then he said, oh, yeah, oh,
I just got a text from a friend of mine.
He's down there. Throughout it. He's like, he says, it's cool,
but there's just too many gay people around. I'm like,

(20:15):
what is how many people? Is too many gay people?
What are you talking about? Okay?

Speaker 8 (20:19):
This made me think you and I? You and I
ten years ago, almost ten years ago, we went to
the Women's March in DC and we met here in
Brooklyn at my apartment and we had to leave here
like four in the morning, do you remember, Yeah, And
we got a and we didn't have the app. Then
you know, it was I had to call a car service.
And the car service, the guy was from Sheepshead Bay
or Bay Ridge, and he showed up and I even

(20:41):
said to you something along the lines of, I don't
know what, you know, they're actually a little more conservative
neighborhood than where I live in Brooklyn. So I for
a second there, I was, you know, we get in
the car and we're going up Flatbush Avenue and it's empty,
and we're going to get to our bus. And he says,
you know, me and my friends we've been talking about
this going on, you know, and good you know, we're

(21:02):
we're gonna pray for you today, good luck today in DC.
And he was so.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Sweet and we just was so sweet.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
He really was, and we just didn't expect that because
for a second they're like do we say anything, like yeah, yeah,
but where else are we going with our signs and
our pink hats and you know, and there were so
many buses heading there, so it was yeah. But sometimes
you yeah, you don't know what you can say out loud,
and even in New York, Blue Blue New York, you
can you still have your pocket say you don't know, so.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
But I mean, i'd bed so people are still I mean,
this person was a lot younger than I am, and
his friend was a lot younger than I am. I'm sure,
and I guess, so you know, it's not it's not
completely safe, and it's Pride Month.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
And you're in California, like there are places you can
live and talk like that out loud and no one's
kind of think twice, I know, I just like, I
can't even it's.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
It's so dumb. How many people is too many gay people? Exactly?

Speaker 8 (22:01):
I mean, if if it's ten percent of the population,
I mean, seriously, I mean, I don't know anyway.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
Anyway, although this is to say you couldn't just go around,
you know, holding hands with your spouse holding you know,
being too obviously affectionate, real hugging even was not necessarily

(22:30):
the safest thing. So they're navigating that as well. And
we talk about, oh, yes we were, we were changing
the idea of what a family is. But a lot
of people weren't happy about that. Yeah. Also, so so
Ed and Sam. I really, you know, again, they have

(22:52):
a super strong relationship, very very clearly, and they've been together.
It's not clear how long they've been together, but it's
a long time and so together, you know, they're they're
really just trying to figure out that an understanding and
I really like that they they they don't try to
be perfect, you know, they understand like we're just doing

(23:14):
the best that we can possibly do here. And there's
a scene it might be in our clips, but there's
a scene in the Yeah it is, we'll play it
a little bit later on. There's this wonderful scene in
the movie where I forget what his name is in
the movie Eric Ed is Eric in the movie.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
I think this Tom Cavanaugh played Ed in the TV series.
So maybe maybe they said they maybe he said I've
already been an Ed. I'd like to be something else.
They said, would be Eric. There's another e name for you.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
So but in the book, there's this wonderful scene where
Eric makes this speech to the little boy. In the book,
it happens way earlier in the story, and it's Sam
who makes the speech to the boy, and they make
it really clear, unlike in the film, both of the
men make it very clear to this child right away,

(24:06):
like hey, we're not perfect, but we care about you.
We're here for you, this is your home. We're gonna
figure this out together, Like we don't exactly know what
we're all dealing with here, but you know, so they
really they and they help him gradually make friends. There's
also in the book, and it's a little bit it's

(24:28):
in the movie, but too it's handled differently in the
In the book, there's this poor woman who lives next door,
this single mom who has not good uh man picking skills,
like she kicked off. She goes through a series of

(24:49):
real bad men, and she has two boys, two boys
they call them the Burlington Boys, two boys who are
absolutely monstrous, like it's he's he's kind of he's kind
of bad in the in the movie, but like not
anywhere near like these two boys are in the book.

(25:12):
They are horrible, Like eventually the police takes them away
for a little while, let's put it that way. So
there's also that they've got that like literally right next door.
So it's just this chosen family trying to navigate how
best to to be there and support this boy who's

(25:33):
gone through this very very serious apart from the fact
that he's very different anyway, you know, that's just his
nature obviously, but on top of that, like he's lost
his mom, he's lost his parents were essentially his mom
who was dealing with a lot of other big problems,

(25:54):
and Billy, who was a total flake those were his
parents that he as fart, you know that he's only
parents he's known. They are now gone.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
And then he has two dads and they're they're always
home and they're following everything he does, and they're watching
everything that he does, and they're trying to figure it
out like they just inherited like a fourth grader. They
don't know what to do. They've never done this before.
So it's it's about that, and it's I. I really
appreciated the book. I thought it was I. I liked
the writing style of it.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
It did too. It's not very good.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
It's not completely linear. It's not like he says, we're
at this, you know, we live in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and
blah blah blah. He just goes right into the conversations.
It's very conversational, right.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
It opens with him, and it opens with Ed and
Scott at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, and Scott is
maybe maybe not that concerned about museum manners. You know,

(26:59):
a lot of kids aren't, but he really isn't. He
really doesn't understand like inside voice versus outside, you know,
like all of those kinds of things. Nevertheless, Eds is
there with him. It takes him there again and again
and again, and yeah, it's just they help him, like
eventually make some friends like he has he has. A

(27:21):
lot of the kids that are in the movie are
also in the book, but it's just just a little
bit different. And it's just very very sweet he does.
They have. One of the things that they brought from
the book into the movie, which I really love, is that,
for some reason that's never explained, Scott always sings Christmas

(27:47):
carols and he's he seems to. It's like a thing
that he does when he's stressed. He starts belting out
Christmas carols and it's just very sweet and I really
it's it's them all accepting this boy for who he is,

(28:09):
as we say today, like meeting him where he is.
And also each other also that you know, also these
two parents, these two men who are now parents out
of nowhere, you know, realizing you know that they they
they all have to take each other as they are now.
There's another element completely in the book that's not in

(28:32):
the movie at all, and we're gonna spoil everything, yes,
which is and they do it. Yeah, they take it
a different direction in the film. In the book, Billy
eventually shows up. Billy shows up, and we learn that
Billy is married, and Billy is married to a woman

(28:58):
named Mia who was a friend of Billy and Julie's.
So I can't remember if Ed and Sam knew mea No,
I don't think they did. But anyway, but Scott knew
Mia because she was around. Now Billy is married to Mia,
and it's not really clear if it's or it seems

(29:19):
to I think suggests that when Julie was kind of
on the way out, Billy was already with Mia, and
so Mia and Billy have a child. No, I'm sorry,

(29:41):
Mia and Julie have a child together. So Scott has
a half brother. Yeah, Julie had Julie. So so here's
the thing. So, okay, I'm sorry, I'm going that's okay, Timeline.
Julie is not in a good way, and that relationship
was not good to begin with, and it is breaking down.

(30:03):
Billy's already getting involved with Mia, who eventually he's going
to marry Julie in an attempt to basically, in an
attempt to keep Billy in her life, gets pregnant, and
it's not clear like is she doing that to make

(30:25):
sure that Scott is taken care of. Is it just
like it's out of selfish We don't know. But the
lung and the short of it is, there is another child.
Scott has a half brother. Ed and Sam have a nephew.
They didn't know about. He's I forget how old he is,
but he's born when Scott's like six. And even Scott

(30:50):
doesn't know anything about this child. And Mia and Billy
have been raising Scott. I mean, Corey is the name
of the half brother, have been raising Scott's half brother
for some time, and they live close by. Now they
live in like New Hampshire or something, without telling anybody,

(31:17):
and they just show up for like Christmas, and like, surprise,
we're married. Surprise, I have this son who the mom
is Scott's mom. So we're gonna just take Scott now
and all live together in New Hampshire or whatever it is.

(31:38):
And so there's their real threat. And eventually, like in
the film, Ed and Sam make Billy understand like that
that's that's not a good idea. That's not a good idea.
So and Mia also realizes like, yeah, I thought that

(32:01):
would be a good idea. But obviously Scott belongs here,
this is his home and so so then eventually they
work again another non traditional kind of family situation, and
that is what works for Scott, right, and that's the end.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
Yeah, that's the story. So yeah, it's nineteen ninety nine,
as Margo says, it's and it the book does fine.
I mean I was going through newspapers dot com trying
to look up, you know what, who reviewed it. Did
it get a lot of reviews. I thought it would
have like a feature in Boston Globe, but it's like
a third or fourth thing. I didn't find anything. And
it's like and I used to book pr so I know,

(32:37):
like it's so difficult to get press in Boston. Forget it,
like they don't care. But so but he so I
was trying to find that. I mean, it got decent reviews,
and especially in the in gay media. They they reviewed
this book. It was it was yeah, it was nominated
for a stone Wall Award. I believe, yes, But like
you say, it's very well written. Oh yeah, and it

(32:57):
has its fan it's engaging. Yeah. And I looked at
you know, of course good Reads, which is kind of
a you know whatever that is, but it has it
has its fans. But then we go to making this
film and so the rights are bought and then it
takes a few years, and sometimes it takes like ten
years for this stuff to happen. So now we have
a director that is based in Toronto and he's his

(33:20):
name is Lorie. That's his name, Yeah, Lri Lynd, Lori Lynd,
And so he's our director. He's based in Toronto, and
so they decide to move the film in Toronto. And
I don't know if Canada also did some funding for
this movie, and that's why it happened. It's a very
indie project and it has that independent film kind of
feel to it. So now we're in the Year of
Our Lord two thousand and six, and that's where they're

(33:42):
starting to film this. They get their cast together and
we'll talk about the cast. But so we have Tom Cavanaugh,
I mean sorry, I'll just bring that up right now.
Tom Kavanaugh plays Eric McNally. Ben Shankman plays Sam. Noah
Burnett is Scott. He's really wonderful. He's he's very talented.
Gean Anne Goosen as Noulah. That's any And I think

(34:04):
that with the book. I would say with the book
because his whole thing is very conversational and it's not
a lot of information dumps, like they're just kind of
going in and out of conversations basically to follow the story.
He sometimes bring people in, like, wait, who's that again?
Who's Mildred? I don't remember who the hell is Mildred White?
Why do we have Mildred?

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Okay, So there's two. There's two kind of two kind
of grandmotherly figures in the story in the in the book.
There's Nula, who is in the book. She's she's like
the editor of the magazine.

Speaker 8 (34:39):
They worked together.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Ed works, Yeah, they work together, and they have a
very long relationship. She knows Ed and Sam super super well.
Mildred I wasn't quite as clear. Mildred lives across the
street or lives near like in the neighborhood with them,
But I think she also might be somehow related to Sam. Okay,

(35:05):
but it's not quite anyway. She's another kind of matriarchal
figure in their lives who's known them for years and
years and years. And Nula and Mildred really are are
they're like kind of offering womanly guidance to the couple

(35:25):
as they're trying to navigate this situation with Scott. So
they're a little bit different in the In the movie,
Nula is Eric because he's Eric. Now Eric's Eric is
not an academic. Eric is we should say, a former
hockey player.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
Hockey hockey, Yeah, uh uh for the for the Maple Leafs,
which is a big deal. And and and I love
Toronto and I'm kind of a Canada file. And Canada
loves their hockey. That is like that's their religion up there.
It is a big deal. Everybody watches it, everybody knows
the players, so they make let me just I'll go
through the cast really quick. Then Antoine, he's Greg Graham.

(36:08):
Sean McDonald is Joan Graham. Green is in this movie
as Bud Wilson. Let me see. Omegan Follows is in
this movie. We're talking about Anne of green Gables. I
mean they have it's a really great cast. It's a
real Canadian cast. This is a real Canadian production.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
Oh and Sheila McCarthy as the Miss Patterson, who is
there kind of like the school principal or guidance counselor
they have to see about Scott several times she was
I was just saying before we got in the air.
She was the star of this really cool independent film
from the eighties called I Heard the Mermaids Singing. She's

(36:45):
the main character in that so very very Canada, yeah
kind of world. We've gone from from the academia world
exactly to the hockey world of Canada.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
So, so Eric, should we play the trailer and then
we'll go into the trailer. Okay, So this is the
trailer for the movie and it comes out in November
of two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I'm Mary McNally, Thanks for watching this NHL preview edition
of Tennalley Shot.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
You're Eric McNally.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
You played for the least.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
You were a great fighter, so.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
You got injured in that factor.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Julie died.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Who's Julie?

Speaker 4 (37:29):
That girl that my brother Billy was living with.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
We can't find Billy Loop nicely done, Billy and me
break it up.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Saman's brother not so good at keeping at touch. Well,
we have the problem that seeing is Billy Scott guardian.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Who's got now Julie son and.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Julie had a son.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Congratulations, You're dance always.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
That age our names to words night mayors and I
should know I grew up playing hockey with him.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
We have to do this. It's the right thing to do.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
It's on for a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Scott, this is Eric.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
I sho meet you. Scott.

Speaker 9 (37:56):
What do you think?

Speaker 6 (37:57):
Who's that risky?

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Is that Wayne risky?

Speaker 6 (38:01):
I only like musicals?

Speaker 4 (38:05):
So who is this?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Kitty King?

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Sun's brother's dads girlfriend son?

Speaker 8 (38:08):
What do you think goes better with my coat? You know?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Does he even have a baseball glove or baseball?

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Oh speaker? Who is going to kill me?

Speaker 8 (38:22):
You want to kiss me?

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Kiss you?

Speaker 8 (38:24):
You think I make it up?

Speaker 4 (38:25):
I think Scott might be gay?

Speaker 1 (38:30):
What was your first clue?

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Is that a picture of your mom? This poor kid
he doesn't have Billy, he doesn't have his mom, and
he thinks he doesn't have us.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
You sound like a parent.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I'm not his dad.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I'm not a dad.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Hey, mommy, God, stand up.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
I think you're gonna have to carry him by his
poodle bolts.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
There's no idea how to behavee No, I'm talking self
preservation here, Sam.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Well, he'll learn I'm talking to you, either of you.
I guess there's always private school.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
That the idea was to make him less gay, must
sake not gay?

Speaker 5 (38:56):
What did you do?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I played hockey, you know that's huh?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
What can I take of?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Let you?

Speaker 4 (39:01):
You want to let the team down?

Speaker 8 (39:02):
Right? That sick?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Give it to me to beat you in fopt arts
G six yogos, Hey, Scott, come back.

Speaker 8 (39:10):
It is not about it.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Should I go after him?

Speaker 4 (39:13):
I'm dad?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
You should just yell.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Get back here.

Speaker 8 (39:25):
So I want to just give a couple of dates,
just to give this all some context for you. Canada
had gay marriage was legal in Canada in July of
two thousand and five. Okay, so that's twenty years this year.
And then in America was like this state was, but
that state wasn't. And I had friends that got married

(39:45):
in multiple states because they anyway it was. It's younger
generations are going to be like, what the hell was
was the problem? But anyway, So here you are in Toronto.
It's two thousand and six when they're setting this up
and they're filming this, and they give the script and
they decide to make Eric a former hockey player, and
he's a former hockey player that gets injured. He's the enforcer.

(40:08):
He's a guy that gets in a lot of fights,
and he gets injured fighting somebody and then his career's over,
so then he becomes a newscaster or a sportscaster, excuse me.
And that's a real sports network in Canada that they're
showing there, so that's for real. And then the Toronto
Maple Leafs they sent them the script and the Toronto
Maple Leafs said yes because gay marriage became legal there

(40:30):
less than a year before, so they were like, we're
going to show that we're a tolerant country. And there's
no sports team. There's very few sports teams that will
let you use their image and their logo, but especially
in hockey. Never used it for any film ever, and
they used it. This was the first one for a
queer film base. And of course some people freaked out

(40:52):
about that before they even saw the movie, before they
knew anything about it, but they good on the Leafs
because they they didn't care. They kept it in there.
So we open up this film and Eric is you know,
we see Eric. He's getting into a fight with somebody
and then so he's Eric is the hot head. He's
at work and then he he gets a call and

(41:12):
he's like, oh, your friend Sam is here. That's he's
in your office. So he goes into the office and
this is one thing with the movie, and but once again,
this is almost twenty years ago they filmed this, so
you have to give it some grace. Exactly, yes, there's
there's just so at first you're like, because I watched
this movie, I had no idea where it was going,
what it was about. And I think he jokes about

(41:34):
like he's closeted, he had nobody there work at work,
nobody there knows except for Noula, who's his friend at
the office and she's his producer. So he goes to
his office, closes the door, and Sam is there, and
then they're just talking. And at first you're like, oh,
their roommates or their friends or there and Sam is

(41:56):
a lawyer. And then after and then they start talking
for a few minutes and you realize, oh, they're a couple.
The there's no affection. They're never touching each other. They
they're never kissing.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
They do there's one kiss at the very very it
is the the chastess of.

Speaker 8 (42:13):
That most innocent of and it's under like the mistletoe
or something like that. It's just so so they're it's
it's completely just they're they're not flamboyant gay men. They're
just they're professionals and this is you know, and they're
a couple and they're absolutely committed to one another. They
make a very handsome couple. But and just like in
the book, they did not plan to have a family.

(42:35):
They were just because he's a lawyer and he's a
sportscaster and they both have like busy careers and they
were totally fine. But then they get this kid. And
it's an actor named Noah Burnett, who's so good in
this movie.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
He is just phenomenal. I mean, all the kids in
this there's a lot of kids in this they're all
really really good, but he is just like, that's such
a difficult character to not have it just be cartoonish
or too pathetic and tragic. I'm right, he really. I

(43:11):
don't know about that if it's the director or what,
but but and he's he's clearly super talented the way
it's just so naturally, the way the kids can kind
of go from one emotion to another to another on
a dime. And uh, and I just I'm blown away

(43:35):
by this child in in this movie, so so good.

Speaker 8 (43:39):
Yeah, he seems terrific, ye, and so he they they
make him a little more flamboyant than they do in
the book. I think, I think I think little they
kind of jazz it up a little bit more, but
I think like they make Eric really kind of an
angry guy, Like, yeah, there are times when he's around
the kid, I'm like, dude, does kid spin through some stuff?

Speaker 5 (44:02):
So one of the things one of the things that again,
this is totally different than the book, and this is
not the cases in the book at whatsoever. Like Eric,
I mean Ed, he's Ed in the book. Ed in
the book knows Scott is instantly concerned about Scott instantly
wants to be there for Scott. Eric in the film
when when in that opening scene where we see him

(44:26):
and he's like this, he's the hockey star, right and
he's going out for practice, and this kid jumps out
and says, you're my hero, and he like ignores this,
like brushes, pushing the kid aside to get out on
the ice. And as he's practicing, the kid, the same
kid who's had his heart broken now by his hero,

(44:47):
puts up a little sign that says you suck and
is screaming you suck, you suck, and that distracts Eric
enough that he suffers a career ending injury. Right, so
he does not like toill.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
Yeah, he's not used to them. And if you're not
used to them, they can be annoying. I live next
door in elementary school, so I have a little bit
more tough. I don't have kids on my own, but
I'm around kids a lot. So, but when you're not
used to them, their energy and their their voices are
really loud, you know, and they laugh really loud over
over stuff. You don't even know what are you laughing at,
Like it just everything's peculiar to them. But so he

(45:23):
so they they're they're very close and they're they're it's
a good relationship. They they bring him in and they
put him up in the attic and he has his
picture of his mother and he there's a kid in
the neighborhood who's he's kind of a monster in the book,
but he's less so in this movie. But it's also,
like we said, the single parent who has that one
kid who's like really rough, But he does make other

(45:46):
friends at the school. And yeah, and and that's their
big concern is like is he gonna find his people?
Because you worry about that. You want them to have
some kind of community around them where you're going. So
he does find some friends and then they one of
the things that that Eric does, Like Eric, now like
he realized, like I have to leave work sometimes to

(46:08):
do stuff for this kid at school. They have you know,
now they realize, like sometimes you have to leave at
four O'clockford things.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
Yes, yes, so there's you just reminded me. There's a
thing in the book. There's this again. The book is
just like a series of vignettes of how this child
becomes part of this family. And there's a point in
the book where Ed, who's Eric in the film, Ed,

(46:34):
who's an art historian, has an opportunity to go and
study some rare Giotto frescoes in Italy and Sienna. I
think it is anyway dream assignment. Basically, who doesn't want
to go to Italy and study frescos and neat Italian

(46:54):
food in the sun?

Speaker 8 (46:55):
Sounds great to me.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Yeah, So that's what he wants to do. It's his job,
and he gets this assignment, but he can't take it
because he doesn't want to leave Scott And so similarly,
they give Eric this thing where he you know, because
he is still proving himself as a broadcaster.

Speaker 8 (47:15):
He's at the desk.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
He's at the desk, and so they give him, you know, hey,
here's your chance to really prove yourself. Go cover these
I guess it's like a youth hockey thing in Rachevic,
and he's very excited about like that, that's his dream assignment.
He's going to go to Iceland and cover this, this

(47:37):
amazing thing that he's dreamed of a covering for so long,
and ultimately he has to give it up to be
to be a parent to Scott, and so it's it's
it's a lot of the same scenarios, but then you
have but you have this added element of Eric being
closeted at work, which I get and I don't get

(48:02):
because here's the thing. I totally get being closeted at work,
get that you're working in sports. But we also so
we established that he's closeted at work, we also establish
though that he is very famous everywhere. Scene after seen

(48:23):
where he's Scott's acting up and he has to intervene
and whoever, the person, the adult that is offended goes, oh,
you're Eric, whatever his name is, Nally, you're Eric Mandelli.

Speaker 8 (48:35):
You played for the Leaves, you hurt your shoulder, and.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
They don't live story. I find it very hard to
believe that he's also having this long term relationship with Sam.
They own a home in a neighborhood and.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
In Toronto, like in Toronto, yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
And nobody you know it. It seems weird.

Speaker 8 (49:03):
But then I'm reading, so I go back and I
look up in the Toronto and all the Canadian papers,
Like when the once again the Maple Leaf said yeah,
you could come off, you can use our logo, you
could come to the stadium, you can go you know everything,
you could come here. And there were there were people
who were of course conservative groups who were saying, we
don't want to do that. And there were also there's

(49:24):
there are sportscasters that are like, well, you can't have
gay people because they'll be in the locker room and
they'll be hitting on everybody. It's I mean, there's all
this silliness that's attached to it.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
I mean true, and and.

Speaker 8 (49:34):
And it's I mean, how many out I mean, they're
out lesbians playing sports, but how many out gay men
aren't playing sports? Professional sports?

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (49:43):
Think about that and in all of hockey, football, soccer, basketball, baseball,
there's how many still so there is still a bit
of that. Sure, however, yeah got it. No, no bounter points.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Yes, there's never any when he's at work, which is
the whole thing, is that he's closeted at work. I
totally get when they're out in the world and you
have a rando hockey fan there like you don't know,
so I get that, But there's never no one at

(50:26):
work ever makes a remark that could be, you know,
viewed as being even slightly homophobic. Everybody seems totally fine.
Nobody cares. And when Eric finally decides to come out

(50:47):
quote unquote to his work folks, his producer Nula knows right.
She says to him, like, you know, everybody knew already
and nobody cares. So I don't know, it was a
little odd. I found it a little odd. It's it
is that that nobody knew in the in the greater populace,
if he was so famous.

Speaker 8 (51:08):
He's famous, he's handsome, he's funny, he's charming, like he's
he's outgoing, like he's kind of yeah, he's not shy,
like what what's his deal? What is Yeah, so he
became that's okay, okay, it's fine. Once again, this is
almost twenty years ago, and I can I mean that's
you know, you know, time things do change over time.

(51:29):
You would you be really shot. So let's play a
clip actually, and it's let me look it up. It's
it's with Sam and the kid in the bathroom.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
Why did I label it? Here we go?

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Did they shave any of yourself?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
So jazz the regular region?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
No, No, it's got no athletes, only athletes. Yeah, which
is why I can say, you don't do it. It grows
back very painfully. You don't believe how much as it is.
It's not funny.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Kids think I'm gay.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
That's a shock.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
You know what gay is, right, means.

Speaker 8 (52:22):
They don't like me.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Doesn't mean that.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
I don't like you very much.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Doesn't mean that either.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Look for these kids that say okay, they just they
just don't know it. Okay, gays a label, okay, like short, weird,
not that you're any of those.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
I really like that scene.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
I did too. I mean these are like see you know,
he's he's warming up to this kid. He's warming you know,
he's figuring, but he's teaching him the rules, you know,
because this kid's just been around his mother who had
these issues. So here he is, and he's and so
he's he's learning all these things. He's and where am
I going with this? All of a sudden, I'm kind
of well.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
It's just that that and this isn't this again, this
isn't in the book. Okay, so because we don't have
we don't have Ed in the book really being closeted
and really and being famous. That's the whole. Yeah, it's

(53:21):
only in the film. And so but I like it.
I like that we have this whole dynamic of Scott.
Scott is being told constantly by the outside world what
he is and is not m h. And Eric realizes

(53:42):
through through watching Scott and talking to Scott, he realizes
that he's allowed the same thing to happen in his
own life. He's allowed other people to say, let him
know who he is, and he hasn't really completely been himself.
He isn't you know he he's he doesn't you know
he and he doesn't he wants again. It's that it's
that thing of like, I don't want Scott to be

(54:05):
bullied and hurt, but I also don't want him to
have the pain of living a lie. You know, that
is also painful. So there's there's I would say there's
more of that, definitely, much more of that in this
movie than there is in the book at all. This
this movie is a lot about that, like, how do
you how do you create your chosen family? How do

(54:32):
you live an authentic life without inciting harm from hateful people?

Speaker 8 (54:44):
The biggots, the biggots.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
Yeah, so so there's a lot of in this film.
Unlike in the book, there's a lot of Eric realizing
a lot of big things about himself that he didn't
know what was going on, internalized that he had internalized
completely through Scott, Like the whole thing about doing hockey
was about kind of overcompensating and proving how manly he was.

(55:10):
And there's this whole sequence in the film where Scott
decides to do the same thing. He's like, well it
worked for Eric, I'm gonna try that. I'll I'll go
into hockey.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
I'll play hockey.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
I'll play hockey. And he starts to become like the
bullies as well. He starts to be mean to his
own friends, who already love him for who he.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
Is and Eric is the coach with Graham Green by
the way, who's from Toronto. So it's like all these
people are upteronic, so fun, it's great. So he so
he realizes that, oh, this is how this happens, you know,
he and he's becoming a bully. And then he's like
not being his authentic self. So he's he's making these
these uh these he's he's figuring it out. And so

(55:55):
he there is a point where and he's played by
Colin Cunningham, so and he does like he sings the
Christmas carols and and and he's fabulous.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
So I just love the way they did all of that.
It's really good. It's really touching.

Speaker 8 (56:09):
And so he has they have a is it thanksgiving her?
A Christmas party that they.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Have it's Christmas, so so Billy and the whole time
they're trying to get in touch with Billy when it
because again in the movie, Eric does not want to
be a dad. Eric does not like kids. Eric is
just putting up with this for a little while. But
you know, slowly, by slowly he's getting like more and
more like super attached to Scott, even more than Sam is.

(56:34):
And but also He's saying to Sam the whole time, like,
when's Billy coming back? What about Billy? When's have you
talk to Billy? What does Billy say? And we get
these glimpses of Billy, who is a very flaky kind
of a guy. And Billy is in Brazil in the film,
and he is not married and all of that. There's
no thing about the other baby or anything like that.

(56:54):
And we see in the in these kind of interstitial
sequences with Billy, Billy picks up this this chick down there,
and and then he shows up. He says he's gonna
come and pick up Scott at Christmas time. And Eric
and it's like that movie thing of like, oh, it's
exactly what I said I wanted, right, this is what

(57:18):
I wanted. So Eric AND's Eric and Sam are panicking,
but they think that there's nothing really they can do
about it, and so because they know that Scott loves Christmas,
they decide to throw Scott the Christmas is Christmas party
of all as a sendoff with with Billy and uh

(57:39):
so Billy shows up with his new wife. I think
she's Mia also in the media. Yeah, she's played by
annas each other. Yeah, they've just met each other, and
and then we have. In the movie, Eric makes the
big speech that Sam makes in the book, Like I say,
kind of kind of early on. Sam in the book

(58:01):
makes it like a third end of the book. He
makes this big speech to Scott, but it's sort of
the culminating moment of the movie, and it's Eric making
the speech because Eric in the film is the one
who didn't want kids, right, So we'll play that.

Speaker 9 (58:18):
You didn't notice how much I grew?

Speaker 6 (58:20):
What this morning?

Speaker 8 (58:23):
I asked what?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I grew a lot? Yeah, kids grow, you grew.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
It's good you didn't notice.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
I would.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Because you're gonna grow a lot.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
You're gonna get it tying voice is going to change,
and your face is going to change. It'll all be
amazingly different. But it all happens so slowly you won't
even notice.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
But I'd notice. I noticee you.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Every day. I'd notice you.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I know.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
It's so sweet. I just I like the way it's
written better in the book than in the film. But
it's I mean, And then you know spoiler, Scott says,
I don't want to go. I want to stay with
with with my two dads, And he does.

Speaker 8 (59:25):
And he does, and and Eric eventually does finally come
out to his crew, and the way he comes out
is he says, when I was playing hockey, people used
to call me Erica.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Yes, which is that thing he learns from one of
the from the Little Bully Boy in the Neighborhood says
that to him, and he realizes, like, what was I
even doing?

Speaker 8 (59:46):
People were making Yeah, they were gossiping, they were saying,
they were wondering, they were gossiping. So it's like code
switching basically, like what he was doing. So, yeah, that's
our movie.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
It's it's uh, I liked both of them. You too,
me too.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
If you're looking for a Christmas movie to add to
your yeah, it's great. I mean if you look at
for a Pride movie, obviously I think you know this
is why we picked it. But it's also I mean
I could see this being on the Hallmark channel at
Christmas time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
I mean there's definitely yeah, there's just some light swearing,
but other than that, yeah, please, it's totally I would
I would watch this with my kids. I would watch
this with my kids when they are the age that
Scott is in the film. It's it's a very wholesome
family movie. And I think it's really I think it's

(01:00:34):
really well done. I I just it was so funny.
It's just so different than the book. It's a completely
different backdrop. The relationship is it's a long, long, kind
of ongoing, very strong relationship, but in a different way
than the one in the book, is between the two parents.

(01:00:58):
But I like it. I think it's fun. I really
enjoyed the choices to move it to Canada and have
the whole Canada element. I like that they brought all
of the most fun little bits, like the Christmas Carol thing,
the little throwing up.

Speaker 9 (01:01:16):
Girl, yes she's in the book too, and and and
yet we've and we've softened some of the edges of
like the bully next door, and instead of it being
those two like really bad kids, it's this one kid
who's are kind of just misguided and eventually he sort
of comes around.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
He comes around, and he is much younger, so he's cute.
And the whole hockey thing. It's so much fun. I
really enjoyed it.

Speaker 8 (01:01:45):
And Noah isn't in't acting anymore so he's thirty now,
Noah Burnett, and I found him on LinkedIn. He is
the founder and CEO of snack Owl, which is he
has a couple of food companies that he's and that's
the newest one, and then he had cool Way ice
Cream and then Ripples ice Cream before that. So he's

(01:02:06):
in the food business now and he's he has read
curly locks in the movie, and he does not have
them anymore. But he looks great and I'm happy for him.
He's you know, he's found success afterwards.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
And he's part of this really lovely little work of art.
It's very nice. Loved it. But book versus movie, what
do you think?

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
I'm going to give it a tie because I really
enjoyed both and I love different things about each of them.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Yeah. Same, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:02:40):
I do want to recommend a podcast if you're looking
for on to talk about it. It's called Deck the
Hallmark and it's a group of three men and they
talk about Hallmark movies and so this is for their
Pride Month, which they just put out a couple of
weeks ago. I didn't know they had this, I mean
I just did a search on Spotify. But they also
talked about this movie, but they don't talk about the book.
But if you want to hear their take on it

(01:03:01):
as well, because I think they're three gay men that
are talking about it. I guess with three gay men
would talk about Hallmark movies, it wouldn't be like a
bro thing to do.

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:03:11):
I mean the bros at du Bravo, No Rose that
do Bravo, I know that, but I don't listen to them,
but I know that they try to get into that space.
But yeah, that's that's how I feel. I think I'm
going to give it a tie because I did enjoy
this movie when I saw it a long time ago,
and I was charmed by it again. I think it's
got great performances and it's just a sweet little film.
Once again, you have to remember it was made twenty

(01:03:32):
years ago. You know, we didn't gay marriage didn't come
to America until it wasn't ratified in America until twenty fifteen,
so that's so it was ten years after Canada, so
we have to keep and the directors from Toronto, and
he one of the reasons he wanted to film there
was because it's a progressive city and they and so anyway, yeah,
it's just a great choice. I just think it's so

(01:03:54):
much fun.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
If you if you are a fan of this movie
and you've not read the book, read the book, it's
you love it, and vice versa. They're they're both really
they're both lovely explorations of you know, they're just domestic
movies about family life and in two different settings with

(01:04:17):
some similarities but but a lot of differences that are
are really very fun to to explore in either either one.
And I think, yeah, I think if you love one,
you'll love the other. One very different in a way
that I really liked.

Speaker 8 (01:04:36):
Same.

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
Yeah, yeah, now we have a very very fun.

Speaker 8 (01:04:45):
Or next, this is different for us, This is very
I don't know we've ever done this yet, Okay, but.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
We said these are the rules. The rules are we
will consider any film that has been adapted from some
other kind of original source, and we always sort them
out at the beginning of the show a movie magazine article.
Bubbah bah bah bah. This is the first time we
are ever doing I think, and you could correct us

(01:05:14):
if we're wrong, but I believe in our almost eleven years,
this is the first time we are ever doing a
documentary to a movie. Yep. And that documentary is called
Ladies Please, And we were lucky enough to find it
on YouTube and I hosted. We'll post it in the

(01:05:35):
in the Facebook group so you all can watch it too.
It doesn't look like it's very long. And the movie
that it inspired, which in turn became a hit musical,
is Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):
Yeah, we're keeping the pride theme going.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
Oh I'm so excited. It's going to be very excited.

Speaker 8 (01:05:57):
So that's what's coming up, as you can tell. Then,
you know, we're always looking for suggestions. You know, it's summer,
you know, summer blockbusters, like, what are your ideas for us?
Please send them out all those places I mentioned at
the top of the show. Our email once again is
Book Versus Movie Podcast. Spellotle out at gmail dot com
and Margo, where can they find you?

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
You can find me online at coloniabook dot com and
all my social media call outs are at Cheese not
Cho Mama, and where can they find you?

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
I'm at Brooklynfitchick dot com. You can find me at
Brooklynfitchick for threads and Instagram. I'm at Brooklyn Margo for
TikTok and Blue Sky, and I'm at my name Margo
Donahue on YouTube. All right, everybody. Thank you so much
for listening. Happy Pride. We'll be back soon with a
new episode.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
Oh Eric, look at.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
How it Hayes?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Who's in charge of the Sissy?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Did you just call me sis?

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
You're Eric McNally.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
You played for the Leaves.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
You were a great fighter until you got injured in
that practice. Now you're on TV, so.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
I'm still a decent fighter. When you're out in public,
watch the swirling. Okay, please just pick a frame.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
Thank you so much for listening to the Book Versus
Movie Podcast. We're a part of the Speaker podcast network.
Go to speaker dot com to check out all of
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(01:08:02):
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(01:08:23):
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