Escape to Witch Mountain (1975) Kim Richards, Ike Eisenmann, Ray Milland, Eddie Albert, & Alexander H. Key

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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movie is very easy to find. Let's talk about Escape

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to witch Mal. I'm so excited. So I was gonna
say this book and movie the movie. Of course, the
movie was such a huge deal for our childhood. There
was you know, it was a weird kind of era
in Disney production where they were trying some new stuff,

(05:07):
some new ways of getting to us gen X kids,
and there were some really talented child actors working at
the time. Like we talked last week, a little bit
about Jodie Foster and then the stars of this film.
They have some really quality talents, talented kids in this production.

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But the book, and I remember reading the book when
I was a kid. Did you read it back then?
Back of the day? And I remembered really liking it,
And of course I really liked the movie when I
was a child too, but gosh, I don't think i've
seen it in many decades. I was extremely impressed with
how good both of them are. Just spoiler alert, I
really liked both of them. Let's talk about this book

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because I remember liking it, but I didn't remember it
being as good as it actually is. More kids should
read this book.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, we've published in nineteen sixty eight, Escape to Witch
Mountain by Alexander Key. We'll talk about him in a second.
He's fascinating. Yeah, he really is, really really, I mean,
this is so interesting. It's about two kids, and in
this story that we read, the kids I think are
a few years older than the ones that are in

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the movie.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yes, they're teenagers, and so there's some real key differences
between the book and the movie. That's that's the biggest
one is that the kids, Tia and Tony are are older,
they're you know, they're definitely adolescents. And also Tia does
not speak at all. She is non verbal in the book,

(06:44):
which I get why they dost not to not to
go that route in the film. But yeah, but a
lot of but the story basically is the same.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
And we've talked about Disney, you know, many many times.
We've have Disney decembers and things like that, but Disney's
has had of course, it's known for his animation. It'll
always be known for his animation. But they do do
live action films, and there was in the sixties Kurt
Russell had a whole career for a while there of
these movies.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And that's right, I forgot about.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
That, right, And when we were young in the seventies,
they would release like once or twice a year, you know, Apple, Dumpling,
Gang and Gus, the the the the the Donkey that
kicks the football, and it's just it's all kinds of
like crazy stuff. So anyway, so let's go. It's nineteen

(07:32):
sixty eight. America is crazy. You know, there's a lot
of turmoil going on in the world. There's a lot
of distrust of the government, that's starting to happen. And
I was saying to Margo that I'm writing a book
about the movie Carry Stephen King's Carry. And we've covered
Stephen King's Carry. It's on our walls, definitely just check

(07:53):
it out. But there was this paranoia that was growing
in the culture and how did people respond to it?
And so there's this idea of what do we do
for power? If we don't want to use conventional weapons,
if we don't want to use like mustard gas, we
can't do that, all right, that's wrong. We can't just

(08:13):
bomb places, Okay, what are their place? Ways we could use,
we could use we could have a we could weaponize
our minds, okay. And so this is the idea like
the telekinesis and the body transporting and things like that.
So it's nineteen sixty eight the story comes out, and
it's about two older teens and they are Tony and Tia,

(08:36):
and she doesn't speak, Tony does all the talking, and
they have these paranormal abilities. Yes, and they're in the
Blue Ridge Mountains.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yes, they've been. We learned that they've been in and
out of foster care and sort of orphanages, you know,
state kind of state run you know, institutions for most
of their lives, since they were quite small and they
don't really remember much before that. There was a woman

(09:07):
who cared for them when they were very very young,
and they have vague memories of her. They can communicate
with each other telepathically, but Tia cannot speak verbally out loud,
and she is the one who has the better memory,
so she gets these little flashes of memory of where
they might be from what might have happened to them.

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And there's also like they also were bullied, you know,
when they were in these in the orphanage. And so
Tony has a reputation for being a kid who gets
into a lot of fights and causes trouble, but he
really is just defending his sister from the people who
are bullying her. Usually that's generally what happens in and

(09:53):
so they've been through a lot. His kids have been
through a great deal. First of all, they lost their
original foster mom, you know, who they really seem to
care about, and they don't know where where they came from.
They don't know why there's different in the way that
they're different. They have no idea. And the other thing
is that Tia has what she calls a star what

(10:14):
does she call it? A Starbucks? A star? It's a
star or something. It's a little box with two stars
on it. She carries it everywhere she goes. She she
thinks that for some reason, something's bad will happen if
it ever gets out of her possession, but she doesn't
know why. And at a certain point, they're fighting with

(10:37):
somebody as they do, like I say, they get into
a lot of fights because Tia doesn't speak and she's weird,
and so kids try to bully her. So they're fighting
and the Starbucks falls and a piece of it kind
of comes unattached, and they discover a map and and

(10:59):
they're not really sure like what it means, you know,
it's it's it's not really clear. And then this man
shows up at the they're at this like like an orphanage.
I forget what they call it, but you know, again
their old reform school. And it's also yeah, yeah, it's
like a reform school more yeah, and it's not yeah,
it's it's they're there because they're a discipline problem and

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they're they can't be placed by the state, so they're
they're all in this in this place with other children
who can't be placed by the state, and this man
shows up one day and claims to be their uncle
and tells the you know, the people who run the place, like, oh,
I'm their uncle. You know, I'm sorry I didn't realize

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that their parents had died in the in an accident
and and I'm sorry it took me so long. I
live in Europe, and I'm so glad they're alive and
I can't wait to take them. And and he is like,
I don't know who this guy is, but I know
he's not related to us, and I know he's lying,
so so they they just just on there. And what

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I love about this story is it's so much about
for kids. It's so much about listen to your intuition,
because logically, and all of the adults tell them, like,
this man is your uncle. He has receipts, he can
prove that he is. And they're like, no, I don't
feel good about this. Let's run away, and which is

(12:28):
a great I think, a great message for what I
really do. Don't go against your instincts. If you think
something is scary and bad, run, So they run, and
but Tia can't remember you know, and so they're there.
So they have various they have various abilities. One is

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one is they can communicate telepathically, one is telekinesis. One
is that Tia has the ability to communicate with animals
and also she has the ability to so so they think,
they think for the most part, that Tia is really
the one with the abilities and Tony like maybe has

(13:10):
a little bit of telekinesis or something, but he seems
to be the more quote unquote normal soul. Yeah. But
she also can unlock open any lock as long as
it's a lock that she's supposed to open or you
know that it's good for them to open. Uh. If
it's a lock that leads to danger or harm, it

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will not open for them. We established this very early on.
So those are the abilities that they have. And so
they're running and running and and.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
I forget how they they There's oh.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
They're on a field trip. They're on a field trip,
and or they're yeah, there are they're hiking or something,
and they run into these nuns and this one nun
and notices the children and notices their abilities, like nobody
else is really paying attention, but this one note, one
nun is like, oh, hold on, and she's like, you know,

(14:08):
somebody came around asking for kids with abilities like yours,
and they're like, well, who was that? And so she
didn't know, and she was going to come but she
said she would come back for them, and then she dies.
And so the book is way scarier than the movie,
mainly because the children are older, so already there's just
like a lot of more danger involved. And so they

(14:32):
decide to seek out a priest that she mentioned, and
in the in the book it's a priest. It's not
it's not Eddie Albert into Windaby, No, it's a priest
named Father Oday. And they go and they seek him
out and they tell him everything, and he's like, Okay,

(14:54):
obviously you guys are in dangers. I don't know who's
after you, but it seems like it's for nefarious purposes.
Let's I'm gonna give you directions to my brother's place
in the woods, and we'll just go just run there,
and I'll meet you there and we'll figure out what
we're gonna do next, and we'll forget where you come
from and what you're gonna do next. And one of

(15:16):
the scary things about the book which and I get
why they decided not to do this in the movie,
is that in the book, like you never find out
in the book what the people who are after the
children want from the children. You never they never know,

(15:39):
we never know. We just know these people bad and
these children need to run, just stay away from these people.
And okay, so so now we're circling back to our author.
One of the things that's so interesting about our author
there's not a lot of information available about him, and

(16:05):
the book is so well written. It reminded me very
much of Bradbury. It has a very kind of bradbury
esque sort of feel to it, where it's like just real,
it's just rooted in reality enough. So Alexander Key, Alexander
Hill Key was born in nineteen oh four and lived

(16:28):
to see this movie produced, and I think was even
involved in the production. We'll talk about that in a
little bit. But he was born. He was born in Maryland,
but not long after he's born, his parents moved to
Florida and his father owns a sawmill and a cotton gin.

(16:51):
So what happened and I tried I listen. I was
telling Margo, I went down such a rabbit hole trying
to like chase this story down. I could not find
I mean, I went through all the I even found
out where it happened. I think I know where it happened,
but it's one of these things that they didn't exactly

(17:13):
report about in the newspaper because it was that nefarious.
So around this time, so around nineteen ten, he's about
six years old, and as I said, his father was
a he had a cotton gin and a saw mill.
And at that time, how can I put this, there

(17:40):
was they kind of get lumped all together, but there
were there were there was like a a culture of
vigilanteism that we've talked about, you know, when we talked about,

(18:00):
say to kill a mockingbird or fried green tomatoes.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
It is gonna get dark.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
It's gonna get a little dark. So there was a
group of this group, I mean there it's not exactly
the clan, but I mean I think I get the impression.
They're sort of clan adjacent. And they were called the
night Writers, which is terrifying. And they they started, from

(18:28):
what I can tell, they started as a as a
again a vigilante group taking out their own justice against
strangely against big tobacco. They they started it started up

(18:51):
in like tobacco country from what I gather, and uh,
you know, these tobacco barons were not great people, not
great guys, and so these groups were kind of getting
their own back by committing terrorism. But very quickly it
gets out of hand, very quickly, it turns to terrorizing

(19:15):
anyone who does any kind of business with these corporations
who run the industry. Like if you if you have
a tobacco farm, you can't not do business with big tobacco,
Like that's just you're not You're going to starve, Like
why are you growing tobacco? Then, so it very quickly
seems to have devolved into, like I say, terrorizing individual

(19:41):
business owners of you know, of these smaller things like
cotton gins and saw mills. And then just like straight
up lynching and murder.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, really it gets like I say, it gets super dark,
super fast, one of the most horrible things. And there
are multiple accounts of stuff like this that they did.
But they murdered an entire family, lynched an entire family
in Kentucky. And so when Alexander Key again with no

(20:18):
like it's not it's not really justice, right, they're just
they're just terrorizing people in the name of some kind
of divine greater justice than the actual law. So when
Alexander Key is six years old, the night Writers come
and and destroy his father's cotton gin and sawmill, and they,

(20:48):
I mean, from what I can tell, they were lucky
to get out of there alive. And his father, his
father dies. Oh my gosh, I want to say, his
dad dies like right after this event. So I don't

(21:09):
know if yeah, like six months or something. I'm not
sure if he was injured. Like again, it's not it
was not reported that I found. It wasn't reported in
any of the local newspapers. What I did find was
an account where that showed how much his father's life
insurance paid after he died. So I know when he

(21:34):
died roughly, So I know roughly when it happened, and
I know roughly where it was in a near place
in or near a place in Florida called Bramford. And
so anyway, and leaves Alexander and his mom without their father,

(21:57):
without their business, right wow. And then the mom dies
in an accident and I couldn't find anything on that either, Like,
what was the nature of this accident. It just said
she dies of an accident when he's fifteen. Wow. And
between the time when his father dies when he's six
and the time when his mother dies when he's fifteen.

(22:19):
Most interestingly for this book, Alexander Key is in and
out of like fourteen schools.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Does that make a lot of sense? Yeah? So you
have these kids in this story who are seen as troublemakers,
but they've been through a lot of as Jamie Lee
heard us would say, trauma, trauma, right, trauma that so

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much so that they can't even recall it to.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Be aation that they're they're from a spaceship, by the way.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Not yet, Okay, So so they they are, they are,
they are really, you know, they need help, they need help,
but instead they're getting blamed and as painted as troublemakers.
And then also they have these mysterious people who are

(23:17):
after them, and they don't know why, right, they don't
understand why what do you want? They want to control them,
They want to hurt them somehow, but they don't they
don't know what the purpose is or what's the justice,
what's the reason. They they claim to be from the government,
and they might be from the government, but we're not
entirely sure if they actually are or not. So it's

(23:42):
very very interesting knowing his history and that, you know,
I mean, he was a victim of terrorism as a
tiny child, and and I don't even know, like what
was the aftermath of that. I'm sure it wasn't just
like they just left the family alone after that. I'm
sure they would show up from time to time and

(24:02):
threaten them or something, you know, who knows, my goodness,
And so I think I think after that, oh gosh,
I think eventually he yeah, after his mom dies, then
he and then also interestingly for this book, after his
mother dies, then he gets kind of he goes. I

(24:26):
think he goes back to Maryland. I think, or he
goes back to wherever she's from and lives with various
relatives until he's an adult, until he goes off to college.
He goes to the Art Institute in Chicago in the twenties.
So similarly like getting back to your people. You don't

(24:47):
know them right because they you know, you don't remember
them because you were a tiny baby child when you
less saw them, But they care about you and they're
out there right, very very simil themes. So yeah, as
the book progresses, and that feeling of being an outsider,
he even going from school to school, he must have

(25:08):
felt like that constantly, Like you know what that's like?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
So these kids are that, That's that's what's going on
a lot with these two kids, these this brother but
at least they have each other, right, they have their
brother and sister. I don't think Alexander Key has a siblings.
I think he's an only child. So as Tea is
remembering things and when they get to the priest, and

(25:37):
the priest's kind is also trying to help her remember
and kind of teasing it out of them, and she
says like, as they're talking, and now she they're talking,
she's talking through her brother. Let's be clear. She's remembering
things to the brother or the brothers sharing it with
the priest. And they eventually think like, oh, we were
in a shipwreck. We had an uncle, Like is the

(26:00):
guy that's cot? We did have an uncle, but that
guy is not our uncle. We do have one, but
that's not him. And I think her uncle is dead
and I think right, and she starts remembering things. I
kind of remember we were on a ship I kind
of remember, and they sort of deduce eventually that they
are not from Earth like you do, and that the

(26:26):
the Starbucks that she remembers that their uncle, Uncle Benay.
She remembers first of all that they had this uncle
named Uncle Benay, and that he wasn't actually their uncle either,
he was just somebody that was with them as they
were escaping whatever it was they were escaping, and Uncle
Banay was the one who gave her the Starbucks and
was like, don't ever, like whateverever happens to you, you

(26:47):
don't let this out of your grasp, like you hang
on to this thing. And the Starbucks has two stars
on it, as we said, and they remember that that's
where they come from, has two sons, And in the
Starbucks is a map, and the priest recognizes the map
as being the mountains where his brother lives and near
one of these towns that it's called out on the map,

(27:09):
and they think, well, maybe that's where our people are.
We need to get back to our people. In the
box is also some money to help them along the way,
like a good chug of money enough to get them there.
And so then the whole rest of the book is
you know, them narrowly escaping these people, and the main man,

(27:33):
whose name is Duranians, who claims to be their uncle.
We see him conferring with somebody who might be from
the US military but we're not sure, and various other
people who are also somehow in on capturing these children,
but we never find out really why, and it's very scary.

(27:58):
And eventually they make it to the brother I forget
what happens to the to the priest's brother, but the
priest brother is not there, he's never there. They show
up and there's nobody there at the priest brother's farm,
and then the people who are after the kids show
up to right behind them, right on their heels, and
they're like, oh, somebody's been here. Look, somebody ate an

(28:19):
apple left apple core and they you know. So they're
all like looking for each other, and eventually they find
their way to this little town and they remember it,
so they're having these flashes of memory. They remember the
name Castaway. When somebody asks them what their name is,
Tony abruptly says his name is Castaway, and he is like, Castaway,

(28:41):
where'd that come from? And then they remember like that,
we think that might be our name. We think our
name might be Castaway. Maybe it came out of my memory.
So they go, like you used to when you made
a phone call back in these days, and especially in
a small town like this, you used to go up
to the receiver and go one two, three four five,
tap at five times one two, three, four or five,
and that would automatically, remember this, automatically connect you with

(29:02):
the operator. And then you say to the operator, oh, operator,
will you please connect me with mister and missus Patterson
up on Cherry Hill Road. And they'd be like, yes,
of course they would connect you. So when they do this,
they tap tap tap tap tap, and can you connect
us with the Castaways? And they're like yes, right away
they connect them. And these people are like Tony and Tia,

(29:25):
is that you? And then they derive this, you know,
they're like yeah, And then they derive this ruse to
evade the people who are after them for once and
for all and make it appear as though they've gone

(29:45):
away in a spaceship when they've really just gone up
to this place up on Witch Mountain with people. The
local people call it Witch Mountain because every now and
again they encounter somebody from up in that very reclusive
community and they seem to be a little bit witchy.
So that's where they're from. They go back up and
they meet their people, and Uncle Baney is there. He

(30:06):
is not dead like Tiny Hit, like Tiny Tim. Uncle Banet,
who was not dead, is up there on which mountain
waiting for them, and they live happily ever after with
their people. We eventually learned the whole story that the
planet that they were all from I can't remember, was
it destroyed. There was some reason everybody had to live yea,

(30:27):
and not everybody made it. But they they found this
place on Earth, on this mountain where they might be
able to have something of a life, we hope, so
they can decide what to do next the end. That's
the story. But it's super good. I was just saying,
like I I liked it when I was a kid,

(30:49):
but I did not remember that it being so well written.
But it's definitely on par with a with a Fahrenheit
four fifty one, or a like Martian Chronicles, or even
like A Wrinkle in Time. It reminded me a little
bit of that as well, very very well written palette.

(31:10):
I could not put it down. I was reading it
on the airplane. I just simply could not put it down.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Well. So we get into the seventies and Disney now
is making these live action films. They're not as making
as many animated films as they used to. And we
have a star called Kim Richards and ike Eisaman and
they these are two young kids. This I don't know
if this is their first movie or not together, but
there's a whole Kim Richards story.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, it was their first film together.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Oh okay, yeah, and they so they take it and
they have to make it a little less scary from that,
so they make them a little bit younger and a
little more tweet. But it's it's really well done. I
have to say, like I really found this movie really
well and I was so impressed.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I love all the choices that they made. And like
I said, I think Alexander Key had a little bit
of a hand in in the production or you know,
in this in the writing of it. I should say
also that the the the book takes place a little
bit in the future from the sixties, and there it's

(32:21):
it was really interesting because there's some reference to the
Vietnam War, which in nineteen sixty eight was it was
still you know, not that far into the Vietnam War,
and uh, extremely prescient kind of moments and and it
really you do get that sense of that culture at

(32:42):
that you know, at the time, the paranoia and all
the whole Nixon thing of conspiracies and and really weird
stuff that the government was doing, right, you know, and
and it's all very unsettling, and I do for super
Good and maybe not for Disney.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Yeah, but it was for that time, there was a
lot of like stuff going to eat you know, eat
teles assassinations. Yeah, you know, right, exactly what are we
going to do with people who have these powers? How
do we take care of them? Do we take care
of them? Like that kind of thing? So should we
play the trailer?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
The engine start now.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Those two kids are witches.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Find them now from Walt Disney Productions. A motion picture
of unearthly power. Escape to Witch mounted well hundred you
have power.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Well, I want to be able to understand these dollars.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Their only hope is escape to which mountain rated.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
G rated G y'all.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
That's an original TV ad for the film. In nineteen
seventy five. When this comes out, it's directed by John Hughes,
it's Robert Malcolm Young did the screen play. You and
I were talking off the year about Johnny Mandel, who
does the music for this.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
It's excellent music. It really is so impressed. They also
the locations, like that's all I know, all those Santa
Cruz mountains and all that. I knew that very very well.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
So yeah, I was. I was truly truly impressed with it.
So Tony and Tia are younger. They both speak.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, they're like eight and nine, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
And Kim Richards was a beautiful child with with long,
blow flowing blonde hair, and she was in so many
you know, Disney movies when she was a kid. And
then we were talking about she was in Hello Larry
and she was Tough Turf. We did to a Tough Turf.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh yeah, she was in what I was watching again
another another rabbit hole her. So, of course Kim Richards
was talking about the same Kim Richards that's in the
Real Housewives of Their The Hills, sister of Kathy Hilton
and Kyle Richards. And she's so Kim's the one in

(35:07):
the middle, Kim's the middle child Kyle. When we were kids.
Kyle was on Little House on the Prairie. She had
a little recurring role on Little House and she was tiny,
and she's actually in this film also, and yeah, and
Kim Kim starred in one of my maybe my favorite

(35:29):
episode of Little House of all time. And Little House
on the Prairie was on for freaking ever. Let me
tell you it was dark.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Everybody thought it was like a girl.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, it got super dark out there on the prairie.
And the it has a weird title to her episode.
It's called like party in Town and Party in the
City or something like that as a weird title. But
it's the story of this little girl named Olga Nordstrom,
like the department store, Olga north strum U and O

(36:02):
this is it's so dark, y'all. Or Olga Nordstrom her
father and she's about this This is about the same
time as she made this movie, so she's about this age,
the same age, maybe a teeny bit older. Olga's father
makes leather for the community of is it Walnut Grove?

(36:23):
Is that what it's called, Yeswolla Grove. And if you
know anything about the making of leather, it uses, uh,
human waste and animal waste. It's not it's not. It's
not somebody you want to have as your like right

(36:44):
right away neighbor, you know. So they live kind of
out outside of like a little down down wind, you know.
And Olga is disabled. She has one leg that is
significantly shorter than the other, and so so she gets

(37:07):
teased at school. But of course Laura Ingles Melissa Gilbert
is her friend, you know, their their their friends, because
Laura is a Laura is a good kid. And but
when but Laura likes to run and play, and when
all the other girls are running around and like playing
baseball and stuff, Olga can't participate. So she just has
to sit and watch. And she always has to sit
and watch. And the dad has you know, the dad

(37:29):
spends a whole day like up to his elbows and urine.
So you know, he's not just have like the best
attitude about it. He's not thrilled that his daughter doesn't
get to participate, and he wants to shelter her from
the world. He's a he's an immigrant too, that's the
other thing. He's a Swedish immigrant, the nord Strums, and
he lives with their mom has died and he lives

(37:50):
with his mother. So it's the grandma and the dad
and little Olga and uh, what's what's her name? Laura
Melissa Gilbert has has Olga over to her house and
where she meets Pa, who's the superhero of the you know,
because Michael Landon produced the show, cause she didn't know.
That's why Paul is like, did she know? That mixes everything?

Speaker 4 (38:11):
The woman who plays his wife, she has a biography
that's out right. Oh, yeah, she's she's got some tea
about how awesome you think Michael Landon was. Oh, she
has things to say.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, she makes to differ.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
She makes to differ.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I love her too. She's one Karen Grasso right, yes,
And so Pa is like watching pause, watching the girls
and they go down to play by the creek and
take their shoes off so they can go in the water.
And Laura, who's very smart, Laura observes that when Olga

(38:48):
is she was there's a plank down by the creek,
and when log was walking with one foot on the plank,
her shorter foot on the plank and her longer leg
in the in the water, that she can walk at
a normal with a normal gait, and she mentions this
to her father, and her father's like, oh, you know,
because he's mister handyman. He built that whole little house
on the prairie. And he's like, I can make her

(39:10):
some special shoes, and he goes. He goes, understandably, man.
He goes out to the to the Nordstrom household, and
he says to her father like, hey, here, I am
Michael Lennon. I'm going to fix your daughter, you know.
And the guy's like, went off my property.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
We don't need your charity.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
So they sneak her. They sneak her. The grandmother's like, please,
please help my granddaughter. So Michael ann is like okay,
and he makes her a special shoe that allows her
to have, you know, an even footing so she can
run and play with the other children. The father finds out,

(39:50):
he comes, He comes and punches Michael Lennon right in
the face.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Which, by the way, he deserved just for other reasons,
not for that, for other reasons reasons, okay, But then
he sees his.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Little girl running and playing any bursts sent of tears
that he begs for forgiveness, and he's just so grateful
that his little girl could run and play and Kim
Richards is so phenomenal in this role, absolutely wonderful. So
this is yet another place where we had a lot

(40:23):
of child actors showing up. Oh my, the Todd Bridges episode,
remember that one.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
What about the woman? Was it Sylvia or Olivia? The
girl that was chased by a clown that's sexually assaulted her?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Right?

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Right? But that happened. I mean it's like this every
week show, every week.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
So yeah, and they didn't want like in the nineties
when they'd be like this week a special episode of
Little House. No, it could be about that, or it
could be about churning butter. You know who could turn
the most butter. And we didn't know it would just
jump out of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Actually had all of a sudden a drug addiction and
then addiction. It's it got deep, y'all. It got very dark,
and yes.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
It seriously did so. Uh. When they were auditioning children
for this film, there were so many. All of these
kids that you saw on Little House and all the
after school specials, like all of those kids that you
saw everywhere, they all auditioned for this movie. Disney auditioned

(41:29):
everybody for this film before settling on Kim The Perfect Children.
You believe them as siblings and everything. Absolutely, Eisenman. I
was watching, you know, I had time. I was watching
podcasts with Ike Eisenman talking about the whole casting process,
and he said one of the one of the pairings

(41:49):
that they were really seriously considering was Melissa Sue Gilbert,
who played Mary on Little House, the Older Sister, and
Willie Ames Charles in charge. Yeah, that guy. Eight is enough,
eight is enough, and that they were going to be
the pair for for like a long time, and then
they settled on They settled on I think a little

(42:11):
bit younger, and went with Kim Richards and ike Eisaman.
And ike Eisaman said that that after this, he was
on an episode of Little House. Because I thought all
these kids would be shuffle around and be on all
these different things. He was on an episode of Little
House and that like, everybody was really sweet, and Melissa
Gilbert was really sweet, but that Melissa Sue Anderson, she's

(42:32):
also Melissa, right, that's her name. Yep. Melissa Sue Anderson
like was super critical to him, and then at one
point went went, oh, you're the kid who's in that.
You're in that Witch Mountain movie, aren't you And he's like, yeah, yeah,
I was, and she goes, yeah, Me and Williams were
supposed to be in that, but we turned it down
because our schedules didn't allow it.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
I've seen Alison Arngren, who played Nellie Olsen. She had
a show called Confessions of a Prairie Bitch and uh,
that kind of let's just say this, it tracks from
Melissa Melissa Yasu Anderson beautiful love girl, beautiful. Oh, Alison
is amazing.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, I've seen her speak in person. She oh, love
love love, love love love. Yeah, she's really an amazing
like advocate and a good writer and yeah, she's great.
So these two. One of the things that I learned
that surprised me. I Eisaman was talking about how he
had been auditioning with Disney for a long time, like

(43:36):
they liked him, but they didn't know where to put
him basically, and he was saying that when unlike other
things that these kids were going on in that like
Little House for example, he said, like, if you went
to a Little House audition, you would show up and
there'd be eight other kids who were your type in
the in the waiting room with you. You know, and

(43:57):
you'd be like, oh, here me go, you know, but
Disney didn't run things like that. He said, they would
see that they would see each of the children individually
with no other kids around, and they would have always
the same team of people who were in charge of
casting kids, and you know that this person would read
the other person's lines so that you could do your
screen test and all of that. And so he didn't

(44:19):
know until really really far down the road that it
was going to be him and Kim Richards. And he
also thought he blew the audition for this. He left
feeling like really not good about it. And he was like,
why don't they like me at Disney? They keep they
keep bringing me in and not casting me.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
And he had imagine being a child actor like oh
that rejection, Oh my god, and nobody cared about your
feelings then, by the way, no, we just told to
all the plot lines. That was not even of the
craziest ones for Little Else of the Prairie.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
But yeah, so so he was really shocked when they
caught when they cast him, and he he just says, like,
you know, Kim was great, Like they seem to have
you can tell they have such wonderful. You totally buy
them as siblings.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Should we play a clip when do we play one
of those?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Yes, okay, it's a marionette, So that's so this is them.
There's such a yes.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, oh so we should say one of the one
of the other choices that was made to make this
less terrifying for children. This is going to sound like
a weird way of doing it, but it really, it
really is smart is to have an actual villain. So
we have an actual bad guy. We know what his
motives are. You know, they're scary, but they're Disney scary.

(45:38):
They're like, you know, Ursula the Witch kind of it's
Disney villains. He said, he's a Disney villain, and you know,
he wants to harness the kids abilities to make himself
more rich and powerful, you know, like like when people
would like one would. So he has lured and so
when the when the guy he sends his lawyer, so

(46:00):
that this is totally different than in the book. He
sends his lawyer to pose as the kid's uncle, and
the orphanage is like, here's your uncle. Go with your uncle,
and they're like, okay, yes, we don't remember him or
think he's our uncle. But again they're younger, so it's
more believable, but if you say so. But the whole

(46:21):
time they're like, I don't feel good about this. So
the uncle's like, you know what, we're going to take
a little detour. We're going to go visit my boss.
He's like a big, rich, powerful guy, like you'll really
love him. You know, we'll have fun staying in his big,
fancy house. And they're like, okay, but I'm really worried
because I'm seeing visions of things that are not good
at this house and like dog's chasing us. Okay, And

(46:44):
so the villain who's played by Raymond Land, he's wonderful,
and the wonderful he first just really just wants to
wow them. You know, they've been living in an orphanage
and they don't really have a lot. So he's like,
here's a room filled with toys, you can have ice
cream on tap. It's going to be great. So they

(47:04):
are in this little kind of guest suite for children
that he has for them, very like a gingerbread house
Hansel and Gretel kind of affair, and they don't know
that the whole thing is being monitored with cameras and
microphones so that they are trying to listen in to
see like what's going on with these kids. So this
is what the villain played by Raymon Lane and his

(47:28):
lawyer observed going on in the children's suite.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Dia career.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Hey, Tony, why don't chart with that?

Speaker 4 (47:52):
You?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Harmonica? I forget?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
How come to think of that? You can do a
lot of things I can't, luck working, walks in the way.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
You can talk to.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Me without moving your mouth. Maybe it's because you're a girl. Delightful,

(48:35):
They're wonderful.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
They're so cute, they're so believable. There's there's they're really
they're really really, really really.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Cute, And I totally buy it. Yeah, Oh, I didn't
mention when we were talking about the book that, and
they don't. They sort of allude to it in the movie,
as we just heard right now, but not not completely.
You don't really explain it completely like they do in

(49:03):
the book. That the people, the people that they come from,
don't really speak. They don't speak, they can they speak,
they communicate telepathically. So all of the things that we
think for most of the book, all of the things
that we think make Tia weird the fact that she
doesn't speak and all the things that she can do,

(49:26):
and that Tony is the normal one. We learn by
the end of the book it's the other way around.
Tony's weird because he can speak. Tony's weird because he
can't talk to animals and open locks and do all
the things that Tia can do. He's the weird one.
And everyone that they come from can do all of

(49:48):
those things, and they really they really only communicate telepathically.
So when they're on the phone and they're talking on
the phone, it's only because it's Tony that they're even
you know, but they're really speaking telepathically. He doesn't realize
it yet. So she's talking about, like, why won't you
do it without your harmonica because she knows, hey, you
can use your telekinesis without. In the movie, he has

(50:09):
to play his harmonica for his telekinesis to work for
some reason. It's just a cute little Disney flourish but
but he doesn't need to. He doesn't actually need to,
but he doesn't yet remember how to do it. It's again,
this all sounds so bananas, but I am totally all
in with these two kids.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, we love these movies. We absolutely
love these movies. You would go like with like twenty
kids from school for birthday parties and stuff like that. Yeah,
so it basically just kind of wrap rap I mean,
it just becomes kind of a chase picture. I mean
the kids. I mean, first ye like they have they
have their uncle, that's that's taken care of them, and
then they're being chased by some authorities and they're being

(50:48):
chased by the government authorities, and they're the government authorities
are kind of there's a case where I have this
clip right now. It's like with the with the kids
where like a back like a flower or could just
like throw everything off and that's just how they did
expect them, which I was like, okay, but yeah, but

(51:11):
it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I mean, and again it's it's nineteen seventy five. That
is that when they're producing this. So for nineteen seventy five,
these effects we did not question for one moment, No,
not at all. So eventually the kids they hook up with,

(51:38):
not the priest, not father oday, but Jason O'Day who
was Eddie Albert in a Winnebago absolutely utterly charming. We
talked about Eddie Albert before when we talked about Oklahoma.
I just love anything with Eddie Albert. I just think
he's the unsung he was. He and his wife were

(52:05):
both blacklisted. His wife, who was a famous Mexican actress
named Margo spelled m A r g O the way
that we spell our names.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
I didn't know this.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, So he was married to a Mexican actress and dancer,
very famous dancer. She she studied with the Uh what
is your name? Oh, give me a second, Twila Tharpe. No,
Rita Hayworth, Rita Hayworth. I can't remember if it was

(52:40):
her father, because Rita Haysworth is also you know, she
also performed in Mexico, and so she was a very
famous dancer. And she attended a rally against Franco who
was the fascist leader of Spain, and so for that
she was branded a commune. And Eddie Albert really stood

(53:04):
up to the committee because they were already married at
this point. Just just really interesting people, I mean, just
somebody of tremendous integrity. I think they had a son.
I think his name is also Eddie Albert.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Was he The butterflies are free.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yes, that is their son. Yes, that is their son.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
We have to cover that one. I gotta do that one,
gotta do that one.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
So Eddie Albert is absolutely delightful. You know, he's a
gruff he's gruffed, but he also sees these kids are
in trouble and he knows that he can help them.
He's unattached, just live in the what do they call
that now, van life.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
The van life in the seventies in Santa Cruz, Good god,
no way, I mean the most dangerous place in the world,
by the way, and these kids as where these kids
are just like, let's play the clip. The there's one
with the r V, I said, the r V clip
because you have to see it because it flies at

(54:09):
some point.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which we were amazed, you guys. You
don't even know.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
It, Like it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Just a just a soup song of chitty chitty bang bang,
just just a little just a little whiff of it.
Disney's like, yeah, I see a chitty chitty bang bang.
How about a Winnebago And nobody gets really hurt, you know.
So it's it's got just enough adventure there.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
It had sequels, it's had and there was something that
came out, like people were saying that came out the
mid nineties, there was a remake of it. Yeah, I
didn't look at it.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
No, I didn't either. I did look a little bit
at the what's it called, Return from Which Mountain? The
one with Betty Davis.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, I think both of Richard's sisters have acted with
Betty Davis. But does this like a time also, like
these actors would do that. They would do a Disney movie,
they would do a TV movie, and then they would
do a horror movie, and then they would maybe do
some stage in New York. I mean, it's just you
took the gigs where they got, you know, where they
got them. So anyway, I really enjoyed it. I this
was a real fun blast in the past.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, I think really holds up, and I think the
book and the movie really really hold up. I'm I
was extremely impressed. I thought it would be fun. I
just did not expect it to be as good, you know,
as high caliber you know writing and and a film

(56:25):
writing as it was. Yeah. I don't know what else
to say. Our writer, you know, he's not known for
a whole bunch of stuff Alexander Key, but he did
write a sequel. He did write that sequel to which
Mountain I think, But I don't know why we don't

(56:46):
talk about this book more. I just think it's really
super good. Yeah, and a lot of lessons too, about
how society treats people who are different from them, you know,
trying to exploit them and control them and drive them
out ultimately.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
And.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Really really great. Really, you know, if you have somebody
in your life who's like I would say for the
book because they're older and it is scarier. The book
is definitely scarier than the movie. But if you have
somebody who's like a middle grade you know, like a
nine to eleven year old, this is a great who

(57:30):
likes to read. This is a great, great book.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, a kid who likes to wrinkle in time is
going to like this book. It's it's super good. I
really enjoyed it. But what do you think, book or movie.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
I'm going to pick the movie just because it's the
one I love first. I loved it so much when
I was a kid. Yeah, I just this was such
a great blast from the past for me.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Like I said, it's so well done and you really
like I said, the chemistry between the two kids. The
casting is really good. Yeah, the casting Raymlan as the
bad guy, brilliant casting. I can't remember who plays the lawyer,
but the guy who plays the lawyer is again scary,

(58:17):
but just scary enough. He also has a little bit
of a heart in there somewhere. And Eddie Albert. What's
wrong with you if you don't love Eddie Albert? And
these two children are just spectacular and they are like
in every single scene. They have to do so much

(58:40):
and you totally buy it. Plus they have to do
all the acting, plus flying and jumping and Telekinese to sing.
You know, it's a lot to ask these little children
to do, but they do it so brilliantly. It's really
really super good. The Return from Which Mountain when theyre
I guess that they're a little bit older, you know,

(59:00):
they're sort of like young teenagers. I'm going to say
they're still younger than the original characters in the original book.
It's also a fun movie. Like I said, it's I
think he also had a hand in writing that one
as well. So yeah, I also am going to give
it to the give it to the film. I think
that the music is good. I love all the setting

(59:22):
in the quote unquote, you know, the contemporary time of
the seventies in Santa Cruz. You know. I like, like
that Truck character that we we heard about early at
the very beginning. Truck is like the bully at the
at the orphanage in the book. That kid is terrifying.

(59:45):
He's not just like, oh, here's the bully. It's he's really.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Scary, but he's like also he Yeah, I love the
red hair that he has, Like that's just that mop
of red hair. Yeah, it's lovely, it's really cute.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
So it's so well done. It's so well done, and
I'm just so I just feel very reassured that that
it holds up as well as it does. So I yeah, delighted.
I'm so happy with it. I'm really thrilled. And I
have to make sure that my niece and nephew have
seen it because or I'm going to get it for

(01:00:17):
my niece because she's just about the age as she's
old enough to read this book, I think, and it's
kind of right up her alley. So I'm excited about that.
But yeah, highly recommend both. But I am going to
give the edge to the film as well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Well for next month, we're going to be talking about
Mysteries in May, and we are going back to Agatha
Christie and I are both very excited about this. What
is the next one we're going to be covering Margo.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Well, we have to kick off Mysteries and May of
course with Agatha Christie and we have talked about we
didn't murder on the Orion Express, and last year we did.
We didn't murder on the Urn Express like before we
had Mysteries and May, we just did in for funzis.
But last year for our very first mysterieson May, we
kicked it off with Agatha Christie's Death on the Nile,

(01:01:04):
which I could watch. I could watch it. Like if
you told me I had to watch Death on the
Nile every Thursday at seven pm for the rest of
my life, I would be just fine with that because
it is one of the greatest films. Well, I just
love that movie so much and a lot of the
people who are involved in that film are gonna be
involved in the film that we're going to be talking
about next time, and that is Evil under the Sun.

(01:01:28):
So we will have the return of Peter houstonov as Poiro.
He's an unconventional puaro, but I just really love his
interpretation of this character. And we have Maggie Smith. I
don't know who she's playing yet in this film, but
I know she's in it, and it's just really great.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
That's the thing about an Agatha Christie movie is the
stars turn out. If it's an Agatha Christie movie, they
are They're like, sign me up, I'm there, I'll play whoever. Oh,
Jane Burkin is in this one, oh right, right right yeah.
And the audiobook we were just saying, uh is narrated
by David Suchet, who is the best. He's just the

(01:02:09):
best quaro. So he's there's never going to be a
better Quio than David. Soouche there I said it, mister Brodnogg.
Now U. I'm very excited though, But we we still
have some either we haven't completely mapped out mysteries in May. No,
we have not. We have if you have suggestions for
mysteries that you would like us to talk about, we

(01:02:31):
are all ears. And again there's you can you know,
find us on the internet all those places that Margo
mentioned at the top of the show and Marco. Where
can people find you on the Internet?

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
You can find me at Brooklynfichick dot com. I'm at
Brooklyn Fitchick for threads and Instagram. I'm at Brooklyn Margo
for Blue Sky and for TikTok, and my YouTube channel
is at my name Margo Donahue Morgo. Where can they
find you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
You can find me online at coloniabook dot com. And
all my social media call outs are at She's not
scho Mama. Well, I'm so glad that we did this.
I'm just so delighted, so much fun. Check out the
work of Kim Richards, you guys, I mean, if you
only know her from The Housewives. Oh, we forgot to mention.

(01:03:17):
Kyle is in this film briefly, yes, very briefly, when
Tia has flashbacks to their shipwreck and you see even
littler Tia and even little er Tony, even little alert
Tia is played by Kyle Richards, who they look very
much alike.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
It's just all so cute.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It's extremely adorable. But if you only know them from
the Real Housewives, do yourself a favor and watch some
of her work. It's she was I mean, all three
of the sisters were very talented actors. And they Kathy too.
Kathy was on a lot of shows.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
She was on Happy Days, you know, Leather, Tuscadero, she
had like the she was one of the They all
are super super talented. Their whole backstory is fascinating. But Kimber,
I think really really talented, talented, talented person. Yeah, do
you want to play the trailer? The actual trailer? We'll

(01:04:15):
end with that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Oh yeah, yeah. Let's see that our planet was dying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
We had to find another planet to live on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
I think we might have been the only ones in
our spaceship to survive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
We're trying to find where home is. You have power.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
I want to be able to understand these pods. So
funny about this Malone, and I'm gonna teach you a lesson.
He wants to learn all the things we know. You've
got to get out of you before it's too late.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Come on, I would not rest until I get those
children back fire, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Please called Stony Creek, Yes, will you take us there?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Very long? Man in the county is probably looking for
this caper Yankee movie. Those two kids are witches. You
two got powers beyond belize.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Thank you so much for listening to the Book Versus
Movie podcast. We're a part of the Speaker podcast network.
Go to speaker dot com to check out all of
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