"Pride and Prejudice" & 2022's "Fire Island" Joel Kim Booster, Bowen Yang, Margaret Cho & Jane Austen

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We're just forgetting about the news and we're going to
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fun movie. We're going to be talking about Fire Island,
which is an adaptation of Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.
Very excited to talk about the book and the movie.

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We were just saying before we got on the air,
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Involved, or or LGBTQ history or any of that.

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Which means we've done a whole lot of books and movies.

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You can see the list there in the Facebook group,
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like us to cover. Again, this is an author, so
let's talk. Let's get into it. This is an author
that we talked about before. Yes, but it's been a while.
We talked about miss Jane Austen when we talked about Clueless, right,
which is based on Emma. Yes, but here's just just

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to give you an idea. If you go to Wikipedia, okay,
as we are wont to do around here, you go
to Wikipedia and you simply type into the search box Jane.
The very first thing that comes up after the name Jane,
which is a very very common name, is Jane Austen.

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She is massively popular still to this day, a best
selling author. Maybe born in the wrong time, I don't know.
It's hard to say, because she wrote about the time
in which she lived and somehow, you know, just in
a way that I was, as you and I have been,

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very much in austin Land when we talked about austin Land.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
About austin Land, Yes, which was a very fun movie
that's on Patreon.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
And you know, one of the things that's so wonderful
about Jane Austen, and that's there were a lot of
writers writing about this, this kind of society in Britain
at the time that none of us have ever heard of.
Their works just don't survive. They're too dated, they're too
they just they don't have just the sharpness, the wit,

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the really a stute social lens that Jane Austen had.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I mean, it's just.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
It's just it blows my mind whenever I go back
to her work, I'm just I cannot believe how it's
so funny. But the things that she points out in
society that are still so relevant today, and there have
been many adaptations. As you can I'm sure are aware

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not only of her work in general, but specifically of
this wrick that we're going to talk about today. But
let's just kind of give some of the broad strokes
about Jane Austen's life. And I want to recommend again
we talked earlier this year when we did Mysteries in
May or last month.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's just a month ago, six months ago. It was
last month.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Last month, we spent the whole month talking about Agatha Christie,
and I recommended Lucy Worsley's excellent biography of Agatha Christie,
which again I'm going to say is a must read,
and that is called it's called like Agatha Christine Elusive Woman.
She also has a wonderful book on Jane Austen.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Oh wow, Lucy Worsley.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
It's one of my favorite historians, and it's called Jane
Austen at Home, a Biography, and it tells her story
through all of the places that she lived throughout her life,
which is a really interesting way of looking at it
because one of the unusual things about Jane Austen is
that with the ups and downs of her family and fortune,

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she had to move around like a lot, like more
than most most women her age would have done in
her day. And so it's a great Uh. There's a
documentary that goes with it. It's a great documentary and
the book I cannot recommend. And if the book is wonderful, Duskin,
it's Jane Austen at Home by Lucy Worsley. But again,
let's just kit the broad strokes here. She's one of

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eight children.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Was six, Yeah, I think it's six children. I mean
she I think she only had one brother and the
rest were sisters. They were no she had two brothers.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
I think they're all boys and one and two girls. Oh, okay,
she has one sister, Cassandra, and I think that's right.
It's Cassandra, and then the rest are yeah, Cassandra. Cassandra
is her sister who survived her. And I think the
rest of them are all brothers, right James, Yes, that's correct, Okay, sorry, yeah, James, Edward, Henry, Francis, Charles,

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and then the girls are Jane and Cassandra.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Wow. So at that time, you couldn't leave your family
fortune to a woman unless she was married to somebody else.
So in order to get by in this world, you
had to be the daughter of somebody or married to
somebody that could take care of you. And so this
Jane and Cassandra was sort of like this fear that

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they have of like, what's going to happen to us
if we don't find somebody. That's one of the reasons
why you had to find someone. I think also about
Jane Austen is like she speaks to us that, you know,
those of us that are you know, labeled picky or whatever,
like we we don't just pick and you know, we
don't just go along with somebody just because they tell
us they love us or they want to be with us.
We you know, we kind of want our true soulmate

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or somebody who really really jive with. So Jane and
Cassandra very close. She's also close with her brothers, and
she's starts writing at a young age. Jane only lives
to be forty one, but in her she packed a
lot of living into her life. She started writing stories
when she was young. And at the time also is
that women could not publish books. They would not label

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a name an author's name with a female name, and
there's so it just said an author for Jane, and
so she did see her first few books. In the case,
she wasn't published until she was thirty five. She started
writing at twenty two. She wasn't published until she also
had all those years to refine it and make it
better and better and better, and because because of the

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circumstances she was in. So those books were sent and Sensibility,
Pride and Prejudice, which comes out in eighteen thirteen, Mansfield
Park and Emma, and they were modest successes. They did fine.
I mean they brought in some money when she needed it.
She had some success, but as you say, she never
she was The books were popular, but.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Nobody knew who wrote them, right, and her name was
not on and while she was alive.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Right, my understanding, right, And she also so she made
some money for it. But at the time also so
they go into a second publishing, which is great, but
if you at that time, the way the deal was
is if you did your unsold books, you had to
buy them. So the publisher would put out ten thousand books.
Let's say, and you only sold eight thousand, well you

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have to buy two thousand back. And this to eight
up the savings that they had from It's it's ridiculous,
like the hoops she had to jump through. But her
first big fan turned out to be the future King George,
and he wrote to her and said, you know what,
I have your books in all of my homes and

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I want to be you know, I want you to
write another book and please, you know, acknowledge me. And
she did and it was either northener Abbit. It was
one of the books that she they she did dedicate
to him, but it still was by an author, I
mean they We did not know her name until later, No, no,
not until much later. And she.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Interestingly her father, her father was a rector. Is that
like a member of like a deacon kind of thing.
I don't know, you know, growing up Catholic, I'm not
really sure.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Same.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
But she she grew.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Up in like a I guess a rectory or a
personage kind of a kind of an affair. And her father,
I mean, considering that he had all these boys and
only two girls, I believe he was quite encouraging of
her for writing and education and so on. And we
we didn't forgot to mention that she's writing during Georgian

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and during the Georgian and Regency period right before the
Victorian era in the UK, and so they're not they're
sort of middle class at a time when there really
isn't a middle class yet it's very much there's very
much to have not and her I think it's her

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eldest brother. And guys, forgive me, I know there's Austin
had who are like screaming at us already. We're sorry,
We're doing our best. She has an elder brother who
is like taken in adopted by a wealthy family and
then he kind of inherits their film, so he does
very he's very well off. Meanwhile, the rest of the
family is really kind of struggling, and she all throughout

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her life kind of writes about having to economize, you know,
having to she makes her own ink, you know, like
it's peripatetic.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Their life. Ye Like, when her father dies, it's very
hard for her and her sister to kind of like
make a living and keep because one of her brothers
that was supporting them lost his money and he lost
his bank failed, so then she was living. You know,
they were living on the kindness of strangers. You know,
they were you know, basically we would call a couch
surfing nowadays, but went from home to home to home

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until finally her other brother was able to buy them
a house in Cheltham. I forget the name of the town.
But she had her heart broken when she was young,
and it was because her family didn't have the money
and the person she loved, his family said you can't
marry her. She's not from the right people, not our
kind here, I guess you would say, so she's somebody

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who peripatetic like And also at one point they grew
up in Stepvington, Stevington, Hampshire, England, and then they went
to Bath for a few years. Yes, and when they
went to the bath. She didn't write at all. She
was terribly depressed. Either she was terrible or maybe she
was sick, but she didn't write at all. Was also sick, Yes,

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I believe at the time, ye right, and she so
and eventually she does die, but it's at in eighteen seventeen,
She's forty one years old. It could have been arsenic poisoning.
It could have been Addison's disease. She was starting to
lose her sight. She it's very sad. I mean, her
sister took care of for the last few months of
her life and there was just only so much they

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could do. It was now when she passed away, her
sister burned about a thousand letters that they had written
back and forth. So we don't have all of the
correspondents that she had with her close circle of people.
So there are just certain things about Jane Austin we
don't know and so and that's also I think a

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part of her mystery, you know, it's a part of
her allure is be kind of like want to fill
in the gaps of who was this person who wrote
these amazing things? Like people are still discovering her reading now,
and I mean there's kids who are like, this is
on their syllabus and they're like, oh, it's an old book,
and then they start reading and they're like, oh my god,
this is amazing. It's such a yeah page right, I loved.

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I remember reading Emma in high school and I was like, eh, boy,
what's this and then say, sobbing, it's it's exceptional writing.
She's an exceptionally interesting person and she's putting a lot
of what she knows about the world into this and
from a very strong female perspective, which is also unusual
for the time, considering women like women couldn't be technically

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we're not allowed to be published authors. So this is
the person we have. It came out in eighteen thirteen.
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Okay, Pride and prejudice. Oh that's my goodness, that's just
pride and prejudice. That's all. Oh my, I don't even
know where to begin. Let me just bring it up
here on my the Bennett family.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
It's the Bennett family, and the Bennett family is something
that's just part of our culture now.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
I mean, people talk all the time about missus Bennett
and you know, you say, oh, she's like a Lydia
and you immediately know what that means, that that's a
flighty shallow kind of a person. Somebody who you know,
Missus Bennett is is kind of means well, Missus Bennett.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I was just.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Listening to a podcast this morning as I was painting
the kitchen, and the host was talking about how when
she read you know, Pride and Prejudice. As a young woman,
of course you relate to the girls. You relate to
Elizabeth and and and you can like Lydia and and
you know, you know that what they're like, and they're
just like young women of any time. And Missus Bennett

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from that perspective, when you're a young woman, you're like, oh,
missus Bennett is so medley and so concerned with appearances
and so out to lunch and clueless, a busy baddy,
a busybody, but also like not really understanding what's going on.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
And now, like she said, now that I.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Read it as an adult, and I look at like
all these children that she had and everything going like,
Missus Bennett is doing her best.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
She is absolutely she's in perimenopause. She's yeah, she's got
a lot. I forgot to mention I also read this
in high school because I was in our senior play,
I played one of the Bennett daughters. I played Mary,
the goofy one, which my English teacher was very insulted
on my behalf. I thought it was fine, I didn't care,

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but he's like, no, you should be Jane Mary. I
think Mary's a hoot. I'm totally fine with it. But yeah,
So we have this family and very loving family, and
the two main daughters that we talk about the most
are Jane and Elizabeth. So Jane's the oldest, the two eldest,
the two oldest daughters, right, most marriageable of the yes daughters.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
They're like TikTok girls. Yet you know, time's a wasting.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, there's an hour class. And Jane is very pretty,
very shy, very uh and she's she's weet. She's weet,
Like there's nothing bad about Jane. Jane is she's sensitive
though she's she's rather sensitive. Elizabeth is smart and a
little more ornery, and she's she has some standards, she

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has boundaries, she she calls out stuff when she sees
it and so and then they, uh.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Let's talk about the other girls. So we actually have Mary,
as you said, Mary's kind of goofy, she's you know,
she's awkward. She's at an awkward age. You have Kitty
Kitty also is is a little bit what's the word
I'm looking for? Kitty Kitty and Lydia who you are

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that they're the just like you have. You have this
kind of pairing of Jane and Elizabeth, the two eldest.
They are very close. Jane and Elizabeth are super tight
that they have each other. They have an extremely close relationship.
The two youngest, Lydia and Kitty similarly, they're kind of
always together, always getting up to hide you together. And

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then you've got Mary again, the awkward one. And who's
in the middle, She's the middle child. And and then
Lydia is is as we said, frivolous, flighty, shallow.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know she she can't.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
She sees her her old older sisters like dressing up
and going to parties, and and she why she well,
she knows like if she were doing that, she she
would have landed a husband by now, because you know
she she already knows everything. And anyway, then we have
the parents, mister and missus Bennett. Missus Bennett, as we said,
is a bit of a busy body, very pushy, like

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all the other people, all the other adults in the
in the novel have something to say about missus Bennett
and her pushiness. She's very very pushy. And then mister Bennett,
who was kind of henpecked, loves his outnumbers, yes, very
much outnumbered. Just he's not even picking his battles anymore.

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He's just he's kind of checked out. And and they're
and just like Jane Austen's family, you know, when her
father is still lively, they're kind of struggling. They're not
they're sort of a middle class in a in a
society that doesn't really have a middle class. And so
they're neither from one party. You know, they're neither rich

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neither nor are they exactly poor, but compared to the
rich people they are, they're considered poor.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
And to the poor people, they're actually doing pretty well.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, they have a servant or too, right, and they
they have some help. The girls aren't like milking cows
or anything. Oh, there's this account of again Jane Austen
like the amount of ups and downs that her family
experienced in her very short life. There's a there's an

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account where they're they have a little bit of they
have a little bit of livestock one of the places
where they're living, and she she writes kind of in
the households accounts like, oh, we got a we got
a milkmaid. Oh I'm so relieved we got a milkmaid,
which suggests that Jane Austin was milking the cows tending

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to the livestock herself. So they're not they're not necessarily
doing that. And they're they're high enough in society and
esteemed enough, just enough to be invited to parties society parties,
to be invited among society people. And the elder daughters

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are at that age where they should be getting married off.
But part of marriage in that society, marriages were very
much kind of arranged. You were lucky if you loved
each other or like each other, but that wasn't always
a guarantee, you know. It was more about the security
of it. And the woman was expect the woman's family

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was also expected to bring you know, it was a
joining of fortunes of property and so on, and woman
being part of that, and so the woman was supposed
to be bringing something to the the transaction.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
These girls don't really have that.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
They don't really have a lot of They don't have
a lot of land and property and an income, a
yearly income like some of these society girls have.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
They have their beauty though, they have their beauty and
their charm which they have which is abundantly you know,
which is great, Which is great. It is a good
place to start.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Now, let's talk at this point. I think it's important
before we before we move on to the other characters
who are important here. The title, right, So the title
is pride, Pride and prejudice, and it is a story
of both of those things. Now in this case, when

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we talk about pride and prejudice, we're talking about pride,
I think in the sense of the like the Seven
Deadly Sins, like pride comes before the Fall, not as
we're going to be talking about later on when we
talk about the movie. This is pride. That the characters
a different. All of the characters have the fault every

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single one of them, including the girls, have the fault
of pride, being too proud to admit that they're wrong,
too proud to ask for help, too proud.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
To say sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Some of the other characters are too proud to be gracious,
too proud to be understanding. And then there's a lot
of prejudice. There is this classicism, that classism, Black classicism,
that's that's a style of architecture, Marco Classism where of

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almost like a caste system. And the Bennett girls are
constantly kind of bumping their heads up against this glass
ceiling where yes, we invite you to our parties, but
we actually, you know, we don't actually want you to
be part of our family.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know, we don't like you that much.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
So it's something that every single character in this novel,
and there are many of them, is saddled with burdened
with pride, their pride, their own pride, the pride of others,
and their own prejudices and the prejudices of others, and
every single person is struggling with that. So it's such

(28:38):
a wonderful title, That's what I'm getting at. So then
we have other characters. We have the Bingley's, we have
mister Charles Binglee who has a sister who's kind of snotty.
Jane has kind of got a thing for Charles.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
We have the mister Wickham and mister Darcy.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
So there's all these young women and then there's also
these young men, because against the age where people are
pairing off, mister Darcy is kind of, you know, uh,
seems he's a young guy. He's a young guy who
seems like an old, stodgy guy.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
He's very aloof is the word that you can constantly
see about mister Darcy. And he and Elizabeth had some
sort of like interaction that didn't go very well. It
was a bad first impression on both of their parts.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
And he has a sister who's you know, so he
and his best friend, he's best friends with mister Bingley.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Each of them have a sister. Then we have.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Lady Catherine de Bergh uh, who has a daughter, I
think anyway, so all of these characters where you have
you have the generally you know, the actual wealthy, the
the Darcy's, the.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Bingham's, Lady Catherine de berg. You have this kind of
we're not sure are we middle class or what are
we exactly? You think we're poor. But then there's actual
real poor people, the Bennetts. And then you have mister
mister Wickham, who is a soldier. He is also like

(30:19):
his he's not wealthy. His father served on the estate
of the Darcis. If I remember correctly. So everybody's you know,
as many classes as there are at the time. They're
in this book. And it's all about how these girls,
you know, are trying to navigate more than trying to

(30:41):
find a husband, although that's kind of what it says
in the in the book. That's how the book begins.
I think about how the girls to have to find
a husband and the man and have to find a wife, the.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Young man and the young women, and.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
But more than that, they're trying to find their lace
in this society that treats them like property but also
pretends like they're actual people. And what does it feel
like when you are a young woman in such a
system which is just brilliant.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
They want partners, that's the thing. They want a partner,
and that's different, you know, it's romantic love, which isn't
you know, And and that notion is considered like if
you're poor, like why would you even think you're allowed that?
I mean, that's something that somebody else gets to it,
and so yeah, it does. It's just who gets to
be happy, who gets to pursue things, who get you know,

(31:36):
And it's about what you say to people and what
and you're the integrity of your words and your actions.
It's it's just kind of wonderful. I mean, and ye, look,
everyone's talked about pride and prejudice. I mean we all
kind of that that it's the story. You know, we
have Jane and Elizabeth and who they partner up with
an the end, and we always are like, when's Elizabeth

(31:57):
and the spoiler we spoil the details. By the way,
the way that she winds up with mister Darcy. You're
just so rewarded with that because you've just been on
this journey with them, like they really do care about
each other and love each other, yes, and respect you
to us respect each other so much, and you're like,
please have a million babies so that that could be

(32:18):
spread out and over the next you know, over your descendants.
I mean, it's it's wonderful.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
It's it's we we also, yes, it is, and we
also have the whole the whole thing with mister Wickham.
So as we said, you know, Elizabeth and mister Darcy
get off to not a good start, definitely not on
the right foot. He's kind of a jerk and she's
kind of a jerk, and you know, they just they
got each other at a bad time.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
They're both proud.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
They're both proud, they're pride get very much gets in
their way and blinds them to how right they are
for each other. And that makes a situation that's right
for this interloper, mister Wickham, to swoop in. And he's
dashing and handsome, he's a soldier, and he's lavishing attention.

(33:06):
He's love bombing Elizabeth right as we would say today,
and she's kind of falling for him, you know, She's like, oh,
he's not stick in the mud like mister Darcy. And
you see how young women are vulnerable to people like
this who are definitely have an agenda, as we learn,

(33:29):
as we learn later, and mister Darcy really doesn't seem
to like mister Wickham, and at first Elizabeth's like, oh,
all the more a reason, all the more reason he's attractive.
But of course then he turns out to be a
real terrible person who does some pretty serious damage to
the Bennett family, the entire family, jeopardizing the future of everybody.

(33:56):
And the solution is, you know, the way it's resolved,
and mister Darcy swoops in and saves the day. The
way it's resolved, is I think to a twenty first
century woman's point of view, or you know, any whoever's

(34:17):
reading it in the twenty first century, you do feel like,
what do you mean, Lydia has to be married to
this guy now, like she needs to get away from him.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
But that.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
Was not something that would have ruined Lydia's life like that.
That unfortunately, the solution for her to be married to
mister Wickham for the rest of her days, for them
to be tied together is the best possible outcome, not
just for the family and they're standing, but for Lydia.
And she's such a flibberty gibbit that she never has

(34:50):
any reason to believe that she's in any kind of
a bad situation, Like she never realizes Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's kind of good. Yeah, she's not all that tether
to reality.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
And there have been, you know, a number of adaptations
of Pride and Prejudice. It's a story that they are
universal themes and timeless themes, and so it's something that
you see adapted and has popularity all over the globe.
And how many adaptations do we have here? We all,

(35:25):
of course you and I for us that it's always
going to be calling Firth forever and ever, forever and
ever and ever. But let me see how many adaptations
are there. Let's see. The first one was done in
nineteen thirty eight. We no longer it no longer exists.

(35:45):
It was a television broadcast in nineteen thirty eight produced
by the BBC. There's the version with Lawrence Actually, Laurence
Olivier for a long time was the mister Darcy and
he started in the film with Greg Garson as Elizabeth,
and that was based on a stage version that was
in nineteen forty. Of course, there's the cure Knightley Matthew

(36:05):
McFadden one, which is good, but do you know, I'm sorry,
but after it's after Jennifer Elliot and Colin Firth, like.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
We're going to play a cup of them and you'll
know what we're talking about. Say that one.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
There's another one in nineteen eighty that was done by
the BBC. I kind of remember that one. It was
I think it was also for television.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I think it was on PBS as well.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Yeah, there's different like taking different parts of the story
and adapting it into I mean, there was a musical,
of course, I mean just on and on and on
web series, and.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
There's a Brazilian.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Soap opera based on Pride and Prejudice, and then the
movie that we're going to talk about today.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
But before we get let's should we play the call
in first?

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Now?

Speaker 5 (36:59):
Yes, let's play it now, because I mean, for you
and I it's always going to be this version, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Mister Darcy, I can go no longer without thanking you
for your kindness to my poor sister. Ever since I
have known of it, I have been most anxious to
tell you how grateful I am for my family and
upon myself. You must not blame my aunt for telling me.

(37:39):
Lydia portrayed it first, and then I couldn't rest all
you everything. I know what trouble than mortification it must
have cost you. Please let me say this. Please allow
me thank you on behalf of all my family, since
they don't know to whom they are and debtn't.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
If you will thank me, let it be for yourself alone.
Your family owes me nothing much as I respect them.
I believe I thought only of you. You are too
generous to trifle with me. If your feelings are what
they were last day, will tell me so at once.
My affections and wishes are unchanged. But one word from

(38:25):
you will silence me on this subject forever.

Speaker 10 (38:29):
Oh, my feelings, my feelings are I'm ashamed to remember
what I said. Then my feelings are so different. In fact,
they are quite the.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Opposite Lady Catherine told me of meeting with you.

Speaker 7 (39:02):
I may say that her disclosure had quite the opposite
effect of the one she intended. It taught me to
hope that I had scarcely ever allowed myself to hope
before I knew that had you absolutely decided against me,
you would have acknowledged it openly.

Speaker 8 (39:16):
Yes, you know enough of my frank mis to believe
me capable of that. Abusing you so vumnerably to your face,
I could have no scruple and abusing you to all
your relation and.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
What did you say to me that I did not
deserve I behaved to you at the time was unpardonable.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I can hardly think of it without a bonds.

Speaker 6 (39:36):
You're a proof I shall never forget had you behaved
in a more gentlemanlike manner. You know not how those
words have talked.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
The smallest idea they ever being taken in such a
way I can.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Easily believe it. You thought me devoid of every proper feeling.

Speaker 8 (39:52):
I'm sure you did the.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
Turn of your countenance. I shall never forget you said
that I could not have addressed you in any possible
way that would induce you to accept me.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I do not repeat what I said.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Then.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I've been a selfish being all my life.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
As a child, I was giving good principles, but was
left to follow them in pride and conceit and such.
I might still have been but for you, dearest loveliest Elizabeth.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Engaged to mister Darcy, I know something in my own
I was. I normally don't make clips this long, but
this is like, we need an cut it. You can't,
you can't, you can't, and I love. One of the

(40:53):
responses we got was somebody said, was she running up
that mountain before? Because she's breathing so heavy? And I'm like, oh,
it's Colin's silkiness. And also her dress is like you
have no idea? Yes, and actly I'm sent you to
my life here with whalebone. It's a I mean, come on,
like it's so good.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
I'm only human and I love There's I just want
to say, we just touched on some of the adaptations
right son the other like fan fiction kind of things.
There's a whole series of books about the story from
mister Darcy's point of view, what I love about, what
I love about that scene in particular, and just that

(41:37):
relationship is like and this is such an important lesson
that people seem loath to learn today. It's okay to
be wrong about people. The only reason they end up
together that they love each other so much, and the

(41:59):
only reason that they're over to overcome their pride and
get together. They both have to and both of them
have to admit that they were wrong about the other person.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, you're right, Yeah, first impressions are not always correct. No,
and we come we when we meet people, we don't
think that we're being judgmental, prejudice. We'd bring our prejudice
with us, our view of the world. And how many
times have you been wrong about people? I can't I

(42:30):
countless times. I so yeah, I mean, yeah, I might
watch this again tonight. It's so good.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
It's just what we need right now. It's all that's
all upset, that's all I'm saying. Just the people who
get over their pride and their prejudice. Right, yeah, oh
so good, so good. I mean you could see why
people just love it and read it. And the other
thing about Jane Austin is you can read and read
and reread and read, and you see something different every
single time, new twist on a phrase, some new barb

(43:04):
that you missed.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
That somebody you know loved it, somebody. It's just.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
It's such a classic, and it's just staggering to think
that she she died, you know, living in a tiny
little series of rooms. She could barely walk from one
room to the other. You know, she couldn't see, thinking
that she could go, but yeah, she couldn't see out
the window.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Right, her eyesight had diminished so much. It was like
they were looking at her. They thought, I think it
was a year or two ago. They took her old
glasses and just tried to see the power of them.
And it was like, because I'm blind as a bad
I'm always interested in these things. But she was like
au it was like point you know, plus one seven
five lens, and then by the time she died, it
was like plus five five plus whatever. So it was

(43:52):
like it dramatically dropped on top of all the physical
ills that she had. I mean, she might have died
of arsenic poisoning. Like I said, they're not you know,
they didn't have the coroners that could give you an
accurate and it's it's just you know, living in the
nineteenth century, you know, it's no yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
So yeah, And she's buried in she is buried in
Winchester Cathedral. When she does, she does eighteenth of July
eighteen seventeen, again at the age of forty one. Her
her brother, I think, because he was in the clergy,
he arranged for her to be buried at Winchester Cathedral.
There's a beautiful black granite marker, and I just I

(44:40):
want to if I could read some of this. I
just think it's so beautiful. Although you have to remember,
like so this is kind of at the time, written
at the time. It says a memory of Jane Austen,
youngest daughter of late Reverend George Austin. It says a
little bit about who he was, and it says the
benevolence of her heart, the sweetness of her temper, and

(45:03):
the extraordinary endowments of her mind. That's as close as
they get to saying that she was a writer. Obtained
the regard of all her new who knew her, and
the warmest love of her intimate connections. Their grief is
in proportion to their affection. They know their loss to
be irreparable, but in their deepest affliction they are consoled
by a firm, though humble hope that her charity, devotion,

(45:28):
faith and purity have rendered her soul acceptable in the
fight of her redeemer.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I know, and.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
It's said that today, you know, most people who come
to Winchester Cathedral come to see the grave of Jane
Austen more than they even come to see the cathedral,
though it is a fine, fine cathedral. And there's a
there's a story about one of the vergures of the
sort of like the keeper of the of the cathedral

(46:02):
some years after her death saying like who is this
Jane Austin? Everybody keeps asking about because everybody was coming
to see her final resting place. So she became more
and more famous after her death, and her name finally
became attached to her works just such a I mean,

(46:23):
everything on that marker is true. But you know, a
social h critic on par with any of the finest
in history. Mark Twain or indeed Oscar Wilde as we

(46:45):
talked about, and and maybe because of all her up
again moving up and down the social ladder, that she
got to see all all these different characters and and
the way that there that system. We know, what it
did to people is what makes her writing so enduring

(47:08):
and so relevant today. I mean, it's still really super
super relevant you think about today. You know, in the
age we have of social media and everybody like trying
to protect create this image of themselves for others. And
there is a class system there, and there are racial
you know, prejudices inherent in that system. And yeah, just

(47:33):
really so.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Genius.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Yeah, I mean, what else can you say? So we're
going to look today at a very fun adaptation, yes,
very important work pride and prejudice, Ladies and gentlemen. We're
gonna be talking about twenty twenty two's Fire Islands. I
think we have a clip of the we have the trailer. Yes,

(47:57):
we'll play the trailer right now.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Oh okay, cool.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yan, you stupid bitch.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Noah, every year I made it, didn't I This week
is sacred. We're going to Fire Island and this is
why straight people hate us.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
And also had our repreativity, Jupiter, Christian pathology anal.

Speaker 11 (48:33):
For whatever reason, call it magic. Time sort of works
differently here, my girl, and that is our makeshift little
family we all met ten years ago working at the
same cursed brunch spot.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Bottom of Memona. Jackie Chan, Hey, budd.

Speaker 11 (48:56):
I can't believe you talked me into this again.

Speaker 10 (48:58):
I come here. I just feel terminally alone.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Oh all right, it's fine. It happens all the time.
Do you want some whisky? It would help with your knees.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Do you trust me? I'm a doctor.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Do they have a house on the beach or we
canna go over there?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
We are litual track.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Excuse me, I think you may have the wrong house.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Or have you seen the way you're drink?

Speaker 2 (49:22):
They're clearly using us for free liquor.

Speaker 11 (49:24):
Will promise me you'll try to have a good time.
Do not let these people think that they are better
than us, because at the end of the day, never.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Mind, okay, guys like that are ruining this island.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Pay harsh time.

Speaker 11 (49:42):
I have never met somebody who had made it so
clear that they think they're so superior than everybody else.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
I don't think I'm better than.

Speaker 11 (49:47):
You, do you think that if you're vulnerable for just
one second, that it's all going to come crashing down.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
I don't think I want to be implicated in this
dig it in.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
All you guys, you're like all I have.

Speaker 11 (50:04):
We're family, I mean subjic to me, We're gonna like
hug and wrap this up?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
How does this end? Why don't we just get open dance?

Speaker 5 (50:13):
The defense is wrong?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
My biological cocke second liked it.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Penlope Cruise.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah this is for adults, by the way, so yeah,
not a family watch. Depending on your family, of course. Family.
If it's your chosen adult family, then yeah, go for it.
The I wanted to start off with the so the
the person who wrote the script is Joel Kim Booster

(50:49):
and uh he was just on I don't know if
you watched Love Hotel, which is on NOE. Oh my god.
They took four real housewives and they put them in
a hotel and then set them up on dates, and
old Kim Booster was the host. I don't like the
dating shows. I don't watch any of them because I
just don't like dating in general. I loved it and

(51:10):
he's very, very funny, and so let me give you
just a business.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
Sorry, right, Oh, I'm mine, You're mine.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Let me get on. Yeah, let me give you his bio.
So this is he starts off really interesting. He was
born February twenty ninth Leap Year, Leap Day, Oh the
leap your baby, Leap your baby, nineteen eighty eight. He
was born in South Korea and his name was Kim
Ju Nim in Jaju Island. I'm so sorry if I'm
saying anything incorrectly. He was adopted by an American couple

(51:41):
as a baby, and then he was raised in Plainfield,
Illinois in a very conservative family where he was the
only Asian person. And he was homeschooled until he was sixteen,
and then he went to high school at sixteen. He
and that's when he learned about Wow, everything I learned

(52:02):
when I was growing up. He also realized at a
pretty young age that he was gay, and his family
responded by kicking him out of the house and he
we were talking about CouchSurfing like. He lived in different
friends' homes. He did go to school and he went
to Milliken University. He is a proud member of the

(52:22):
Democratic Socialist of America. He moves to New York and
he gets into the comedy scene and Conan O'Brien notices him,
and if you look at his list of credits, it's ridiculous.
I'm like, why is he hosting Love Hotel? He must
really love reality TV, because there is no other reason.
He is super, super talented. He's in shows like Bigot,

(52:44):
He's in a Big Mouth, which I've watched, The Path,
which I love. There's the other two Shrills, Search Party.
He's done a ton of writing, he's done a ton
of acting, so he has taken this material. And I
also want to talk about, if you're cool with it,
a little bit of just about Fire Island and the
history there, because I grew up on Long Island, but
I've been to Fire Island. It's like connected to Long Island.

(53:06):
And so if those of you that don't know, in
case you don't know, it is a famously gay place
to go. It is an island where they have a
lesbian section and a gay section, a gay male section. Famously,
that's the way it is. And it started about one
hundred years ago that the theatrical community in New York City.

(53:26):
When you got really hot, you go to the beach
and so people go to Jersey, or they go to Brooklyn,
they go to Coney Island, or they go to Reese Park,
or you go to Fire Island, which is where they went.
There was no electricity at the time. It was very
very rustic. It also was, to be clear, very white.
And Long Island has its own, like I said, I'm

(53:48):
from there, their own history about racial politics and things
like that. But it is it's a place where you
see gorgeous mansions and you see more rustic things going on,
see homes where there's like twenty people renting rooms and
staying there. And then you see people who live very well,
you know, if they have their huge mansion, like one

(54:10):
or two people live there. It's uh, you know. And
the gay lifestyle is that that they talk about, Like
we have a cast of people that show up at
the island and they talk about this is great. You
get there on a ferry and as the men are
going on a ferry and it's a group of men
and they have Margaret Schoth yay, who's who's their friend

(54:32):
who owns a home there, But they're talking about okay, well,
you know there's this class system for so you have
money and then there's your looks, there's your body, there's
your the way you you know, and what color you are,
what color you are, what race you are, how tall
you are, how thin you are? You know, do you

(54:53):
work out or not work out? There's all these things
and they they list it like no femmes, you know,
so nobody with any kind of feminine kind of you know,
they're you know, no fatty they no fems, no fatties. No, Like,
there's this whole you know, it's dating, like it's dating
for everybody. You know, there's there's competition. And but also

(55:14):
it's summer, so everywhere you go people are wearing short
shorts or budgy smugglers. I mean, it's it's a it's
and it's kind of this bacchanal thing. Nightclubs are open
all night. People will drink all day and then go.
It's it's beautiful, it's fun. You know a lot of
hearts get broken too. And uh but and also straits

(55:35):
go there too. I've been there many times. I mean,
but it is known as sort of this gay mecha
for East Coast New York people. And you either you're
lucky if you know somebody that has a house and
you can get in there or you're fortunate enough to
be able to rent something on your own. This But
so we have this group of friends and Joel Kim
Booster who not only right wrote this movie, but he

(55:55):
stars in it with his friend Bowen Yang. And so
they're they're going along with their friends, and their friends
are of different races and different body types and even
unfortunately in the story I figured it out by the end,
I'm like one of their friends, the only one that's
African American then and very large guy and he gets
like three lines in the whole thing. Yeah, you know,

(56:18):
it's still sort of it's you know, the whole idea
is like the thin, pretty ones young three and pretty ones,
you know, tend to get the most attention. But they're
they're going to this island, they all and I love
this part. They meet in Williamsburg at a brunch spot
where I loved, like, can they have these horrible customers?
I live in Brooklyn, I know it very very well.

(56:40):
But that's how they all met, including Margaret Chow and
then Margaret Show. She got her money by it was
a lawsuit that she won, and she buys this gorgeous house.
I think in the cherry Bay. Is that what it's called.
I'm sorry, cherry cherry grove, cherry g thank you sorry, well.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
It's a g you and I we would love this house, yes,
health but in terms of Fire Island society, she lives
on the shabby side, right, yeah, it's not it's a
shabbier home and but she's kind of ensconce there. So
she So let's talk about we have the Talians with
our source material Pride and Prejudice. So our two main

(57:19):
characters are Joel Kim Booster as Noah Bowen Yang is Howie.
That's our Elizabeth and Jane, the two tight sisters, you know,
the oldest of the of the of the Bennett girls,
that those are the two closest. Then we have Margaret

(57:40):
cho who is kind of both the parents. She's she's
both mister and Missus Darcy like she's a little bit
chucked out. She's also kind of a flibberty gibbet. She's
not as she's not as pushy, busy body as Missus
Bennett is a bit but not that much, not not

(58:00):
to the degree of a Missus Bennett. But so she's
she's our stand in for both and so she's welcoming.
She what we get the idea that she welcomes this
group of who she considers her children. Again, this is
the Chosen family, and they're all kind of siblings. The
men are all kind of siblings in this Chosen family,
and they flock home to Fire Island to their quote

(58:21):
unquote mom who is Margaret cho every summer, and that's
their thing that they do every summer. And then we
have let's see, I want to get all the guys.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
We have.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Matt Rogers and what is your name? Matt Rogers and
Thomas Mottos. They're Lydia and Kitty, the two youngest who
are the kind of again frivolous, flighty, shallow.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Little vain.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
That's them too. And then we have Torrian Miller as Max.
That's the Mary, the awkward middle child, right, And then
we have some other characters. Then we've got our Mister
Darcy is played by Conrad mcremora. He's will Mister Darcy's
first name is Fitzwilliam. We have Charles Bingley is Charlie and.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
He where is he on here? James Scully James Scully.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
We have Zaye Phillips plays Dex who is our mister Wickham,
the bad bad mistery Oh, I forgot about John Roberts
in this. John Roberts is in it. So and then
that each of the kind of echelons of society have

(59:44):
their their group of you know, people who occupy that
that world. Again, we have a double meaning of the
title pride. Well it's called fire Island, but it's very
much pride and prejudice adaptation, and we're playing with the
double meeting pride like Jane Austen meant it in terms
of like pride, the deadly sin of pride, but also

(01:00:07):
pride like it's Pride Month and yay Pride rainbow pride
and prejudice is not it's prejudice in a double meaning again,
because it's prejudice in terms of class, the same way
that Austin meant it, But it's also prejudice in terms
of race, in the kind of prejudice that we have

(01:00:29):
in contemporary American society. So it's it is the kind
of the prejudice that Jane Austen talked about, but it's
other stuff too, So.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Gosh, I know where to begin, where to begin? I mean, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Beautifully cast wonderful choices for everything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I love the.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
I love the snarky mean people that are in Will
and Charlie's house.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
The fancy, fancy, fancy, beautiful mansion that they're in.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Glass and stone, like this gorgeous mansion on the beach,
occupied by very snarky, very snotty judgy men who and
it's all men. It's all men and Margaret Show. And
then there's another surprise lady at the end, and we'll
get to her later on. And the wardrobe is fantastic.

(01:01:26):
I love Margaret Show with the wicker and the like
the boho vibe and all the house plants.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
How much do you want to hang out with her?
I want that how I want that house, but I
definitely want to hang out with her. I wanted just
the whole thing. She's it's so fun, and she tells them,
I'm I'm unfortunately and like much like Jane Austen, you know,
with her financial up and down, She's like, look, I've
run out of money. I'm gonna have to sell this house.
So unfortunately, this is our last summer here. So that

(01:01:55):
sort of adds to the drama of well, how do
we get back here? Maybe if we find somebody else,
they'll take us in. So they're socializing and and and
meeting people. It's part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
I mean it's and so they're at this kind of
they don't realize when they show up that they're gonna
that this is actually a critical moment in all of
their lives, that that's what they're kind of showing up for.
Just like in the book The Steaks Are you know,
the the Bennett Girls, the two eldest Bennett girls have

(01:02:26):
to get married, like again, tick talk. Now is the time, ladies,
because otherwise you're gonna end up an old maid like
Jane Austen and like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Nobody wants that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
And so for them, that's the that's kind of like
the time crunch high stakes things, is that they're getting
older and they're gonna they're gonna age out of being
able to marry anytime. Similarly, these men show up and
now their access to this you know, uh, gay, Uh

(01:02:58):
what's the word tradition and culture?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Cultural? You know what's the word I'm looking for. You know,
it's fire island.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
You know that they're they have had access to this
for so many years, and they didn't realize that this
was going to be the very very last time. They
didn't realize how much they were going to have to
make it count, right, So so the Steaks are very
similar in that way. And just like just like in
the novel Noah, Who's Elizabeth Noah overhears mister mister Darcy

(01:03:42):
will make be kind of a jerk, you know, they
both they meet each other at a point where they're
not either of them at their best and they both
make snap judgments about each other.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Should we play the first clip? Yeah, okay, so it's
It's I'm a Doctor. Unfortunately, we don't have a ton
of clips today. I just didn't have them available. But
we need to play you something so that you get
an idea of this movie, and this is a good
one to start with. Okay, here we go. Okay, somebody
else has to go and get the drinks.

Speaker 11 (01:04:12):
We'll be looking at a darn found that guy's instagram. Okay,
that's right. Name Hobey's cool though, because his friend turned
out to be kind of a dud private instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
It's like, what's we know?

Speaker 10 (01:04:23):
He's Charlie and he's got a dog emoji and a
plant emoji instead of Scooby moji.

Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
What.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
I'm beatiful.

Speaker 11 (01:04:30):
Okay, we're gonna have to solve that later, because what
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Chute? It's fine? No, what's what's your problem?

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Oh? Are you all right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
It happens all the time, does it really?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
What's the very strong bones? Just my knees?

Speaker 9 (01:04:54):
I guess?

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Oh god, oh god, that does not found. Sorry where
you guys going?

Speaker 11 (01:05:03):
Because we were going to catch the sunset?

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
So weird we were too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Oh great, I'm Charlie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
By the way, what never mind, just keep walking down.
Do you want some whisky?

Speaker 11 (01:05:15):
It would help with your niece?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
You trust me, I'm a doctor.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
So the thing about pride and prejudice is, I know,
it's so funny. The thing about pride and prejudice is,
as these two Bennett girls, the two eldest Bennett girls,
are now like set with this task of finding a husband,
there's a whole set of rituals that goes into that,
a whole set of like you go to the ball
and you do this particular dance and then you have

(01:05:49):
this you know, you go visiting for an end, and
that's a whole ritual of the way that you greet
people and sit and have tea and blah, but people blah,
and it's all very much codified, like this is the
way that you do it. This is the way that
girls find husbands and get married. In a similar way
with the Fire Island we're introduced to, like these are

(01:06:11):
the there's the underwear party, there's the this, there's the that,
there are these various rituals and and in Pride and
Prejudice that the Bennett girls kind of have their own
family stuff that they do their own family rituals too,
that are that they've been they've been doing as the
girls were little, and now the girls are kind of
growing up, and so these are kind of the last
times they're going to be doing those things.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
In Fire Island.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Here we have this I love this scene where they
all go to see the sunset.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I mean, and it's beautiful, it's glorious and they're having
super fun with it. And then of course, like so
we saw that that was basically our Jane meeting her
mister Bingley, but it's so when they get to the sunset,
it's it's two to different groups, and there's the fun
group basically that we know that with Jane and Elizabeth,

(01:06:59):
and then there's a little more of the stiffs over
there that have the real money. And and you know,
they don't prance out loud or whatever. They they they're
looking down upon them, but they say, oh, well, do
you want to come back to our place and go
for drinks? And they're like, yeah, we do, and you
go to this they go to the house, and it's
like they're made to feel, oh, they're just here for
the liquor. They're made to feel like, oh, you're the

(01:07:22):
pores that are coming in to like enjoy this. And yeah,
there's a lot of like body shaming and you know,
money shaming, and and it's it's you know, this is
not a very welcoming group and and so they all
have different reactions to it. But I don't know. I mean,
that house is you prot really the house is jaw dropping.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
But you bring up a really good point, which is
that you know, when you're reading Pride and Prejudice the
reader and I got to think this had to be
the case even then it which you know, to an
audience who's reading it at the time, where you're mister Darcy's,
mister Bingley's like this is what everybody's aspiring to be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
But the Bennetts are the fun ones. Yes, it's like right, Annic,
they're doing the jig in the basement or whatever the
hell I'm talking about. Yes, that's you know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
The Bennetts are the ones you want to hang with. Yeah,
and so this is this is very that. So you know,
the the Noah and Noah and oh what's the on
and Howie and you know all of those guys, those
are the ones who want to They're the fun ones.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
So you know, class and status does not equal value
or work. You know, it's it's and that's the same.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
It's precisely the message of Pride and Prejudice, just told
it in a really awesome updated way.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
And and another update they make is that it's that
one of the crew, and it's at Rogers who plays
Luke who's Lydia, hooks up with somebody and then that
person films their right into the Omen and it's revenge porn.
Revenge porn. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
So instead of so in Pride and Prejudices again we
have mister Wickham who's that soldier. He's the dashing guy
that mister Darcy just does not like. And Elizabeth's like,
hauhuh oh hello, and he's love bombing her, right and
and then so he's loved bombing Elizabeth, and then out
of nowhere in the book you're like, bruh, it's the
record scratch moment, like he wait what huh huh see

(01:09:37):
mister h mister Wickham in the book is really going
for Elizabeth, like he's really going after her. And then
the next thing we know, he has eloped with Lydia.
He's run off with Lydia, who's a little too young
to get married.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Like fifteen or something, a little you know, like for
the time we could maybe kind of trying to spin this,
but like it's a little in the.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
And but but you like Lydia, Wait a minute, Lydia,
what what are we talking about? You didn't even look
at Lydia. And then but again, if you're when you
read it again and again and again, you start to
see the little breadcrumbs that Jane Austin has given us
that this is what's gonna happen. So Dex in the
movie is our mister Wickham. And and at first he

(01:10:28):
is like really going for Noah. He's he's like swoops
in and he's charming and he's funny, and he's flirting
with Noah and they even have like a little moment.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Excuse him a couple of times.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Yeah, And then all of a sudden, Margaret Show is
on her phone and she's streaks and it turns out
that Dex has seduced uh, what's his name? I keep
wanting to call him, Matt Rogers Luke Luke. He seduced

(01:11:01):
Luke and filmed it when he was wasted and put
it on the internet and there it is for everybody
to see. And just like in Pride and Prejudice, when
Wickham elopes with Lydia again, this really has the potential
in the book to absolutely destroy the entire family. That

(01:11:25):
their youngest daughter would be so immoral as to run
off with the soldier, Elope with the soldier, which just
meant sleep with, you know, at the time, and while
they're trying to marry off these two elder daughters to
present them as like at least they're moral, you know,
like you can't really argue that anymore. So then there

(01:11:46):
goes anybody else's chances of getting married. And now what's
going to happen? And mister Darcy swoops in and forces
because he has some power he forces them to actually
get married, and now they're going to actually be married
for the rest of their lives. It's got to you know,
quote unquote make an honest woman out of Lydia, and

(01:12:07):
so then the family is saved. So similarly, here Will
in Our Will, who is our mister Darcy Will is
a high powered attorney for a nonprofit and he swoops
in and throws a bunch of legalese at decks to
very strongly persuade him to take the video down and

(01:12:29):
disappear it from the Internet, which he does.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
And I like it that they throw his phone into
the wall, into the pool. You know, it's dramatically it
goes you know, they're waterproof. Now there's just yeah, there's
very witty. It's so funny. It's a very worthy adaptation.
I love like it really does.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
Capture all of the best things about the source material. Uh,
the relationships, the family relationships are straight out of the book,
but they're updated for the twenty first century in a
way that I totally buy and one believe and wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Poor the drinks for them, what can we say?

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
It's and the ending is just as romantic as Pride
and Prejudice is no sense of sensibility. Is the one
that ends with the double wedding. I think pride and prejudice.
Jane gets married first and then Elizabeth gets married right,
so you know, at the end they have their the

(01:13:41):
Noah and Howie have their happy endings, but they're very
contemporary happy endings. It's not like, oh, we get married
and now we have property and we live happily ever after.
It's it's you know, a twenty first century. They both
have a really nice relationship that is going somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
And they play Last Dance by Donna Summer and I
amst and I sob because I freaking love Donna Summer.
And then I'm like, oh she's dead. Oh, and then
that just always gets to me. And then it's just
like because it does remind me of Summer, and it
reminds me of good times and yeah, and just like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
In the book, there's a moment like there's a there's
a part of the book where it seems like we're
led to believe that mister Binglee, who's the one that
Jane is in love with. Mister Binglee seems like a
really sweet guy, like he's he doesn't seem to have
any faults. He's just as pure and lovely as Jane is,
and wouldn't they be perfect together? And just when you

(01:14:42):
think they're going to get together, it gets swooped in
that he's like engaged, he has a prior engagement to
somebody else, and you're like, oh no, this sucks for Jane,
and everybody's feeling bad for Jane, and Jane I think
even gets sick. You know, it's like a whole thing.
And then but then ultimately he can't deny his love

(01:15:04):
for Jane and they end up together. And and then the
way that you know, and then Elizabeth and mister Darcy
have their beautiful moment which we just saw a little
bit ago, and the way that they do this in
the movie A Fire Island again, I am crying. I
am sobbing. I'm literally sobbing, and I was like, is

(01:15:26):
that Robin Bird?

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
But it also it's really funny. It's it's very very funny,
it's super royable. It's filmed on location in Fire Island.
It makes you want to go there and hang out
with these people. It's just it's a it's a plus
for me. It's it's just I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
Yeah, I love all the cameos again, Robin Bird Peppermint
is wonderful. I love that whole scene where Will does
the dancing and it's so that's our closing clip. Oh,
I love it. I really really impressed by this movie.
Uh all the way around, great cast, superb writing. I

(01:16:09):
love the way that they interpreted the themes. The setting
is awesome. Uh, music is great this no notes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Just loved it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Yeah, loved every moment of it from start to finish.
Like it opens and you're like, oh, that's gonna happen.
It's instantly exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
They're on the ferry going going there and it's like
I'm going along with you, thank you. That is awesome. Yeah,
I love that we didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
I liked that choice too, to open it like that,
like open it where bang we're going, Yes, and then
not allowed to preamble about like oh, I'm running to
the airport to catch the tracking our bags and gotta
say goodbye to my cats, you know, like right, just
let's just go. Let's just get on the ferry and

(01:16:56):
we're heading out there and they're already gathering anxiety by ooh,
we gonna remember to do this. So we've got to
remember to do that, like all the rituals. Just like
the Bennett girls on their way to the ball in
the carriage, right, don't forget the underwear party and and
and they're already having anxiety about all of the classicism
and racism.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
On the ferry. There's like a section of guys that
immediately just take their shirts off at some point, like
oh god, yep, here we go, six pack abs over there,
Like I got to compete with that. It's is that dating?

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
Yeah, I saw a clip that where they were talking
about how everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Was doing push ups between takes all the time. I
would too. I mean, I'm being egg whites and broccoli
and yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure there was a lot
of keto breath. I'm sure, yep. But they look great,
they look amazing, they look beautiful. It's yeah, it's an

(01:17:53):
A plus. It's an A plus, absolutely delightful. And I
can't decide, and I could, it's a it's a tie
for me this week. I can't even.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
I mean, of course it's Jane Austen, right, and so
it's Pride and Prejudice. But but again, like, there was
nothing about this movie, not one moment where I was
like everything.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Like, look at this kitchen, look at that outfit? What
did that song? That dance off?

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
And the dance off is well, like I said, we'll
play that at the end. Yeah, but I'm just that.
And it had voiceover, which I normally hate. She normally
doesn't like that. It didn't didn't hate it at all.
I thought it was so well done.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
It served it a really good purpose in the film
because it's just like with Clueless, it's not a voiceover
that is all that expositional in terms of like I
met Noah when we were you know, there's part of
that part of it is, but that what the voiceover

(01:19:04):
is is the main character realizing like, oh wait a minute,
I was super wrong about this person. Oh I really
made a mistake. Am I in love with Josh Is
from Clueless? So it's that kind of voiceover which works
so well with this story. I just, I really, I

(01:19:28):
just I love this movie. I had never heard of it.
I didn't never I didn't know about it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
I saw when it came out a few years ago,
and I was saying to her off the air, I'm like,
I thought it was cute. I mean, I remember, really
enjoying it. It's though, you know. Oh and but I think,
just what's going on in the world right now, if
you need a nice diversion, this will definitely help you out.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
I mean, and it has it has real it's not
it's a diversion. But it's not like candy, it's not
you know, it has real themes. Yeah, people learning important
lessons and finding love in a believable way.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I just.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
I'm really really happy with this film. I really really
loved it. So yeah, it is a little bit of
a tie for me too. I just I don't know
how they could have done it better.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Yeah, so good.

Speaker 12 (01:20:22):
I know he was he was nominated for I mean,
it did multiple accolades, I mean the Glad Media Awards
and Gotham Awards and there it's it Mill Valley Film Festival,
I mean, just one after the other.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
And much of it is for the screenplay by Joel
Kim Booster. So it's so well written.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
It's extremely well written that it is you get. There
has to be just like with just like with Jane Austin. Yes,
there has to be a certain amount of exposition, but
it never feels labored. It never feels, you know, like
screeching halt to the story while we explain what's going

(01:21:06):
on and who's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Here and why they're here.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
And it's done in a really natural way that kind
of keeps with the flow of the action.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
It flies by. Love it, love it, love it, love it,
love it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
So so kind of a tie for me too. I
think I'm gonna give I just yeah, yep, yep. Reread
Pride and Prejudice and then watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Yep. So what are we doing next? We didn't pick something,
didn't quite decide did Why don't we decide on our
own and then announced it because we did last week
we picked something and then we wound up not doing out. Yeah,
so we're going to pick something, but you know, please
send us your suggestions all those places I mentioned at

(01:21:54):
the top of the show. Our email once again is
Book Versus Movie Podcast at Gmail and Margo Where can
they find you?

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
You can find me online at Coloniabook dot com. And
all my social media callouts are at She's Not Your Mama?
And where can They Find You?

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
You can find me at Brooklynfitchick dot com. I'm at Brooklynfitchick.
For threads and Instagram, I'm at Brooklyn Margo for Blue
Sky and TikTok and at YouTube I am at my name,
Margot Donahue. Thank you all so much. We'll be back
soon with a new episode. Enjoy the summer, everybody. Happy
summer to all of you that celebrate and happy pride. Yes,

(01:22:32):
most important, Let's play our clip. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
Have you ever done a dance before?

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Nope? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Are you excited for the dance?

Speaker 6 (01:22:48):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
DJ Next is going to put on some music and
you just you know, shake your growth right, you are
ready to see it, just stick it out. We're gonna
get sexy now, welcome, all right, Okay, gets the frick.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Let's see what you really got the honey?

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
All right, will let's go, Yes sexy see yes, okay,
somebody study, Yeah that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Well last.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Yes, okay, not robot pop last fool. Oh well, okay,
the nineties, just straight up the nineties. Okay, yeah, okay,
West Side Story Human nineties Oh well, yes, we got

(01:23:56):
ye on somebody all right,

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