The Asphalt Jungle (1950) WR Burnett, John Huston, Sterling Hayden, James Whitmore, & Marilyn Monroe

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Look back to the wall.

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Make your way up the back stairs and jump the
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My friend? What do you know about this fellow em.

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That's all I can talk to you, I think, sure,
mister time Mike is taking the jewelry off fines.

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Well, yes, we're today. We're celebrating Margo D's birthday and
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Don't ask how many spanks I'm going to get today.
Can't count that high. But hi everyone.

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Speaker 5 (06:53):
Ever since Convoy it's got it's been a bumpy, bumpy road.
They're out on h They're they're on to us morgo.
You know, I said, I know, I said before we started, like,
we we're not experts about any of the things that
we're going to talk about right now, but we've covered many,
many film noir classics, most of them most I think

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all of them that we've covered have been adapted from books,
some by very famous writers and some by not so
famous writers. And I always forget, you know, we say
film noir like it's I don't know, like it's Art
Deco or like the Busby Berkeley era. But it's a
long period. It's not like a it's I say period,

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it's not even a period. It's it's not confined to
a specific decade. Even it is a it is a style,
a very American style that very influential, and it's sometimes
we see things that are in the same style that
are being made today. But this is really a classic

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film war kind of story or noir story from a
classic author of the genre. Today we're going to be
talking about W. R. Burnett and The Asphalt Jungle. But
let's talk about this very prolific and important author. We
don't talk about him enough. No, No, so W R. Burnett.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
That's his pen name. It's William Ryan Riley Burnett. He
was born November twenty fifth, eighteen ninety nine, in Springfield, Ohio.
That's kind of important. He is from the Midwest and
he writes about the Midwest quite a bit.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
He lived to nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
He was a novelist and a screenwriter and he started
the job pretty soon and he wrote Little Caesar is
like the thing he's most known for, and that's one
of Margo's favorite movies. And we'll definitely cover that one day.
We'll definitely add that to the list.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
I know, I can't wait.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
It's considered just one of the best he's I mean,
I'm looking at I mean, there's dozens and dozens and
dozens listed on his Wikipedia page of just so many
books and movies that he and screenplays that he's written,
and screenplays he's adapted from other author's work. He's just,
what Margo said, a prolific writer. And this story is

(09:13):
came out if this book came out in nineteen forty nine,
and it was it's an MGM movie that may Louis B.
Mayor didn't really like because he didn't get film No.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
One.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
You would never know no for first of all, Louie
by Mayor, who's uh, he's an episode of What a
Creep by the Way, one of my podcasts. Not a
great guy, but did not like that's a very fun episode,
very fun episode. But he's not someone who understand not
to let everybody understands film noir. It comes across as
very dark to people. It's kind of adorable what we
now think of like dark from then versus nowadays where

(09:45):
I show like.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
White Lotus and other seriously, but yeah, like when you
look like the Postman always doing. Stories like things like
this are very I know, they seem almost quaint. Little
Caesar was a groundbreaking film, and so just kind of
give us some perspective. Little Caesar is nineteen twenty nine,
and I think it's his debut novel, famous, famous movie.

(10:10):
This is twenty years later. Yeah, so he has evolved
and his storytelling technique has evolved a lot in the
Intervening Intervening twenty years although we're in, you know, a
very similar kind of world and genre with very similar
kind of characters and stories. It's twenty years later. It's

(10:31):
after the war, which is something that comes up in
the book and the movie. And I guess it's just
it's I don't know how he wrote. Where did he
find the time, even as a professional writer and that's
his actual job. I don't understand where he found the time.
It's hundreds, I mean.

Speaker 6 (10:52):
It's just the list goes on it's the novels, like
I said, and short stories and screenplays and act and
it's yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Tacular screenplays. He wrote the screenplay for The Great Escape,
which is a wonderful screenplay. It just yeah, twenty years
after we're talking about now even So, Yeah, he did
a lot. The guy was he was a busy, busy,
busy writer.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
And this particular story is it's a heist story. And
we and I love a heist picture. I mean, who
does it. I mean, they're they're super fun and it's
you know, we know with them what they are. Nowadays,
you come up with the thing that people are gonna steal.
You get your crew together. Everybody has a job, you know.
Ocean's Eleven is the perfect example of this and a
perfect movie. I think it just does what it's supposed

(11:40):
to do. This is the same thing. What's interesting about
it it's it's the Midwest. It doesn't tell you what
city it is, but it was filmed in Cincinnati and
in Kentucky, and there's can they're both. So it takes
place in the midwestern town and it's it's post war America.
I mean it's it's a few years out, but many
these actors served in the war. And John Houston is

(12:03):
the director here, and it's about a couple of you know,
men that just get out of prison and they have this.
There's these diamonds that they can get their hands on
and if you sell them, it's five hundred thousand dollars,
which nineteen fifty five hundred thousand dollars is I would
probably risk it.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
It's a lot of money. Yeah, I looked it up.
It's at least six and a half million dollars today. Yeah,
that's a good chunk of change right there. Yeah, and
that could past it. It's time. It's a What I
really love about this story is is what it did that.

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And I don't know if it's the first one that
did this, but it's certainly the one that influenced all
the ones after it in this regard where you have
a heist that's you know, that's planned to the nth degree,
like or eleven, every detail thought out and planned, and
you have the seasoned guy who's done this a million times.

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He could do it in his sleep, and he needs
he needs a driver, and he needs an explosives guy,
and he needs this, and he needs that, and he
puts together this cracked team to pull up the heist,
and it ends horribly for all of them in it,
you know. So the rest of it, the heist happens
halfway through the story, and then the rest of the
story is just all of their downfalls one by one

(13:26):
by one. I'm thinking of like the Thomas Crown Affair,
Treasure of the Sierra Madre another John Houston film, and
you see, it's this and just this story alone. You know.
MGM brought the property, as you said, and even though

(13:50):
Mayor wasn't crazy about this film, MGM that made a
movie based on this book four times. Four times. They
made it as a a Western. I think the first
one was a Western, and then they made it which
I think also starred There's some people that are in

(14:10):
this one that are also in the Western. And they
also made it as a basically just a remake of
the Asphalt Junger called Cairo with very almost shot for
shot the remake of this later on, and then they
even made a black quote unquote blaxploitation version starring Pam Greer.

(14:32):
I mean, MGM like took this property and just like
run like they got. They wanted every comma's worth of
their money. I mean, they must still own it that
they keep they keep making stories like this. But but
those are the four movies that are specifically based directly

(14:53):
adapted from this book. There's also a TV series. This
one though was Yeah, there's also a TV series, which
was nice, like having Yeah, I mean, also, I forgot
to mention this story.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
What's interesting about it is that he also includes the police,
like so it's also it's it's equal time to the
police as it is to the criminals, true.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Which isn't quite true in the movie. Right, So let's
we'll just say the movie is a very close adaptation,
very very faithful, but certain key things that are trimmed
down or smushed together for time or for cinematic effect,
like the end. The end is quite different, although the

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end of the movie is very much in the spirit
of the end of the book, and we'll talk about
that in a minute. But let's yeah, all of our
characters that are in the movie are in the book.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Right, I mean, it's so we have Uh, well, I'm sorry,
can we bring which how do we start with this?

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Margo? I mean, I don't even know where is good Okay,
I'm gonna just start with the with the main characters.
I'm gonna just go through the cast of the film
because it's all the same. So the story in the book,
it begins with the police commissioner, and it's quite a
long scene actually, because they want to establish that this

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police commissioner is an honest guy and he's he really
believes in police work and he really believes in justice.
He has zero political ambitions, although everybody in the book
tells him multiple times that he should run for office
and that he should do this or that for publicity.
And so it opens with him having a press conference

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in which he's chastising the press for multiple stories they've
done about crooked cops and he's and the press end
up feeling ashamed. They feel bad at the end. The
press is also a character in the book in a
way that it's not in the movie too, So we
also see some back and forth with reporters and a

(16:59):
mon reporters about how they're covering these stories in the city.
We're not really clear where the city is. We just
know it's a city in the Midwest, but not Chicago, right,
So it's not the hugest city, but it is an
American city and in midwestern city. We know that, I
should say also like W. R.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
Burnett, what he first began writing in Chicago and he
ran some hotel. He worked at a hotel and then
and had some near dull characters and so this is
and that's how he wrote Little Caesar. I mean he's
so he was used to talking to criminals, and he
associated with criminals, and people told him why are you
doing this? And he said, because they have the best stories.

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Like they know exactly what's happening in this town. They
know exactly what's going on. They know all the politicians
that are on the take. They know all the people
who are on the take. So it's that's why he
so there there's he's been criticized sometimes for like propping
up these bad glorifying maybe you could say, but or humanizing,
but they were human to him. I mean he knew

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these people. And people have different motivations to do lots
of things or to go badly in different directions. So anyway,
so it's it's this midwestern city and they don't have
happy endings. No, no, And I mean, like think about
what's going on in America in nineteen fifty. So we've
been out of the war only about five years. At

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this point, I mean, America is.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
On the rise.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
I mean we're you know that we have the GI Bill.
So there's a lot of a lot of you know,
older students out there, but they're going into the workforce.
Women are no longer as much into the workforce because
they were Now yip, Kaya, you get to go home
and be housewife, and.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
Only thanks for building those planes.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
Yan and uh yeah, and you know, those homes make
me a sandwich. And those loans for homes only went
to some gis and not others. I mean, there's you know,
there's a lot of like unequal that's happening in America.
There's a lot of inequality that's going on. So yes,
America is kind of figuring itself out. And so here
we so here we are. It's nineteen fifty. They're in

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this little town. And so they have this this is
it is a jewelry store?

Speaker 5 (19:08):
Is it like a department store?

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Like?

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Okay? So so okay. And in the book, we again,
as I said, we open with this press conference and
the police commissioner, who's a good guy, we go to
a lot of trouble for us to understand what a
good solid guy. This he is and he he is, uh,
he genuinely is. And when the press conference is over
and the reporters leave, though, we learn that he this

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all was a lot of bluster to distract from the
fact that a recent a criminal mastermind was recently let
out of jail and the police have lost track of him.
They they don't actually know where mister Riemann Schneider is
and that is very troubling. And so we're like dun, dun,

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dun in the book, and now we cut to so
you know, the book kind of is going in and
out of all of these different worlds, the people in power,
the police commissioner, the people, the reporters, and the different
echelons of the criminal world too. There's there's definitely like
different levels of criminal that we're dealing with. And mister

(20:20):
Riemann Schneider is pretty darn close to the top. He's
very unassuming. And this is another thing. It's after World
War Two. He's a German immigrant. And when we meet
mister Riemann Schneider, and this it's alluded to in the movie,
but it's it's not like it is in the book.

(20:41):
When we meet mister Riemann Schneider. Of course he's prison.
He's in a taxi cab that is also being driven
by uh that is driven by a German immigrant as well.
And so Riemann Schneider and the cab driver are going
back and forth and there's you know, they're swapping stories

(21:03):
and it's really sweet. And but you see that these
two very different immigrant stories. You have the hardworking, honest
cab driver who is just shooting the breeze with a
notorious criminal that the entire city is on the lookout for.
I learned that a cab driver. I'm sorry, Mario, Oh

(21:25):
go ahead. I learned that in Cincinnati.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Cincinnati has the second largest Octoberfest in the world.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
So it's Munich.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
I didn't know it's Cincinnati. There are so many German Yes,
there are so many German immigrants that moved into Ohio,
so it makes sense to me that it takes place
in Ohio.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
I didn't know that either.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
I was doing, i'm sing some study about Cincinnati and
I found out found that out. So yeah, it's a
huge German population in Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
There you go, so ignorant of the middle of our country.
I really it's embarrassing. I really know very little about it.
So the cab driver drops him off at this really
seedy guy now, really seedy place, I'm sorry, really not know,
not so great part of town. And again they've established

(22:11):
this rapport with each other. They're really friendly, and the
cab driver's worried about because mister Reeman Schrider is older.
You know, he's just a little unassuming looking guy. He
does not look like a criminal mastermind. And so the
cab drivers like, are you sure you're okay? Do you
want me to walk you to the door? Do you
want me to wait and make sure? And Remis Strider's
like no, no, no, I'm fine, I'm fine, and and
kind of shoes the guy off really kind of to

(22:34):
save him from being incriminated.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
He has his suitcase with him and he's saying to
him like, they'll knock you over just to take a
clean shirt, like yeah, you really need to be careful,
you need yeah, and Remai Striders like, oh, you're adorable.
That's okay, dude, I'm okay, it's cute.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
I'm fine. And so it turns out he has arrived,
you know, he's been on We learn that he's been
in prison for some time, but he still keeps very
close tabs on what is going on out in the
outside world. And so he has arrived at the business
place of a booky named Kobby and who's a pretty

(23:10):
pretty well off you know, runs this gambling you know,
uh business, and he Reeman Schneider informs Cobby that I
keep wanting to say Dobby like in Harriet, I know
Kabby because it's Kabby and Dix. Reeman Schneider informs Kabby

(23:32):
that he has a very sophisticated plan for a heist
that could make a very select number of criminals extremely wealthy.
And he knows that Kabby has the connections to help
set it up. And Kbby will also get a cut
of this heist. And yes, it's to rob like the

(23:53):
biggest jeweler. It's a jewel heist, the biggest jeweler in
this midwestern town, the city, whatever it is, and let's
say it's Cleveland and Cleveland and so then we have
just like you see in all of these Caper heist films.
You meet all the different members of the team, and
Kabby knows everybody, or he knows that he either knows

(24:15):
them directly or he knows the person who'll get the
person right and the person who.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
First.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
They need somebody who can crack a safe or get
into a safe and or both. And that guy is
a man named Louis Chiavelli. And I was so impressed
in the movie they pronounced his name correctly. I was like,
whoa hey. So Louis, though small wrinkle, Louie has gone legit,

(24:43):
He's left, He's left his criminal life behind and now
he's a family man. He has a lovely wife named
Marie and a brand new baby boy, little Louie Junior.
And so he is, you know, and he's before he
left his in a life he like sockd away money
here and there and here and there and here and there.

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But we learn, uh, we see in the in the
book that a buddy of his calls him up and
asks for money, and Louis like, oh, but that's my
money I have put away from my family, Like I
don't want to give you money, dude. And that's how
we meet Dix, because that that person is dicks and so.
But but Louis is very intrigued by the stability, the

(25:28):
financial stability. That's such a heist and one more heist
and This is the other trope of the like just
one more heist, just one more, can't go one more heist,
So Louise, that's Louis. He's going to do one more
heist and that heist is going to set him and
his family up and he could be an honest man
for the rest of his life. So so Louis in
and Louis insists that the driver, the getaway driver, be

(25:51):
his buddy, who is named Guts. Gus runs a local
like Hamburger joint, like Mills Diner, but it's Gus's diner,
and Gus is also really Gus is like knows everybody
in town. He knows all the crooked cops, he knows
all the criminals. He knows everyone, and he's the guy who,

(26:13):
like he doesn't tip off the cops, but he tips
off the criminals like, hey, the cops are busting up
So and so is joint, Like you better make sure
your buddy isn't down there, You better make sure your
girlfriend isn't at that bar because the cops are going
to raid it tonight. So they enlist Gus as the driver,
and then we have then we have Dix Dix's Dix

(26:35):
Dix Dix is this guy, this big lunk from Kentucky.
He's from Kentucky and his family had once owned a
big horse ranch. But we don't quite know why he
why he left Kentucky. It's not clear right away in

(26:57):
the in the book anyway, in the movie they tell
you way sooner. We don't really know. But for some
reason he left. And he's kind of been a little
bit of a minor criminal. And he has this girlfriend
who named Doll her Doll, that's her name. Her name
is Dall. And he's not very nice to her. He's

(27:18):
not really oh and it's not clear whether he's trying
to protect her, like keep her from being incriminated, or
is he really just that indifferent to her. But she
is in nerve.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
He's in nerve with him, and he's nagging her all
the time, like he's.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Basically all the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (27:36):
He could be Mystery or whatever that guy's name was
for the pickup artist. Yeah, he he knows how tall
and handsome he is. And she's just in nerve with him,
and just she doesn't care. She doesn't care what he does.
She doesn't care if it's straight or not or whatever.
She knows that he's he's from Kentucky, that his family
had a horse farm that they and they lost it,

(27:56):
and so now he's in Cincinnati or Cleveland, whoever he
is in Ohio. But he's like, he needs to make
some money because that's his dream is to buy that back.
Everybody has this dream of what they're going to do
with this money. Nobody wants to be a criminal forever
man has aspiration. Nobody's like, well, I don't know what
I would do with that cash. They all have plants.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Right right and exactly, yes, dis Dix wants to go
back to Kentucky. Uh probably without doll bless her heart back,
I know, bless her heart girl run. His dream is
to buy back his family farm and or take it

(28:34):
over or whatever. And then we have but they need
somebody to front up some money so that they can
get the equipment, they can you know, pay the pay
for the people's silence. You know, it takes a certain
amount of cash. And Breemann Schneider, who is the planner
of this whole thing, he's like, yeah, we're gonna need

(28:54):
fifty grand, fifty grand to set the whole thing up.
And they have to find somebody who will basically like
launder the the goods, uh and so that they can
all get paid. And Cobby the bookie is says that
he has somebody or either somebody who can help them
do that or somebody who can do themselves. Enter the

(29:16):
crooked lawyer, mister Emeric. Very fun character, yes, fun in
the book and in the movie. Emeric is a guy
who is I would say Julian esque. Uh yeah, yeah.
So he had built himself a reputation in capturing certain

(29:40):
notorious criminals and so he's he's like the media lawyer,
you know, he's the guy you know that would show
up on Fox News today. And he seems to be
quite wealthy and powerful and people reporters want to know
his opinion on things, and he knows people who know people,
and he knows the ins and out of all the cases,

(30:01):
the big cases that have been are going on in
the city. And we learn that he's so rich and
so powerful that he has two houses. He has a
house where his wife is ensconced and he has a
little cottage where he also has a girlfriend named Angela.
Yeah yeah, and his wife is very nice and he
does love his wife, but she's a little bit of

(30:23):
a she's a little bit of a she never gets
out of bed. She's she's sick, she's sickly. I think
she's sorry.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
And and she's older. And yeah, he's a he's a guy.
He's a guy of you know, he's a defense attorney
that makes a lot of money, you know, from from criminals.
And as Margo says, he's on everybody knows who he is.
He dresses fine, he has very delicate manners about himself.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
He doesn't act like a criminal. Art like fine art
all over his home and his office. And yeah, and
he has this a girlfriend who's quite young. I forget
how old she is in the book, but she's she's
there's another theme in the book and in the movie
of what they would have called them those days, the
dirty old man. Right, So you have these older, powerful

(31:13):
men who are very lascivious towards extremely young women, underage women.
In this case Emeriic with his girlfriend Angela, who he's had,
I forget quite a long time. She's been living in
this cottage and he's been playing for these paying for

(31:33):
these two homes. And also we established really early on
that Riemann Schneider, who is again he's a bad guy.
He has a real lecherous eye for even younger girls.
I hear like, I'm young, yeah, exactly exactly. That's Reemen

(31:55):
Schneider and a minor. And then you have Dix, who
is just you know, is not good to his girlfriend,
but you know she's I think she's the same age
as he is. But you have the two power The
two powerful men in the story who are wielding their
power in different ways are Emerik the lawyer and Riemann

(32:15):
Schneider the criminal. And they also both have this thing
about young girls. I'm gonna use the word girls.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
And.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
I love the way they establish that in the film.
It's really cool. But but in the book they just
tell us, you know, like you know, every time they
see one, they can't not look, you know, they can't
not follow her down the street with their eyes, that
kind of thing. And so Emeric is like, huh, okay,
this is a very interesting story, mister. You know, I

(32:45):
have a chance to be in a heist with the
famous doc Riemann Schneider. Okay. And he thinks, like, you know,
he thinks he's smarter that this is the Thing's the
other two downfall of these two men, each of them
thinks they're smarter than everybody else. So Amerik thinks, you know,
I mean they need they need money. I know I
don't have money myself. They don't know that, but I

(33:06):
don't actually have anything broke, but I gets money. He's broke.
Everybody else thinks he's not if they thinks he's mister
money bags. And so he tells them that he will
be the person who fronts the money and launders the
stolen goods. And they're like great. And what he does

(33:29):
is he intimidates Kabby into fronting the money because Cobby
is not that smart. And he also enlists a friend
of his, Emeric does named It starts with the brand
Off ran.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
Off Brandon BRANDAM random b R A N N O
M yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
And he's like, hey, Bob, you know I've got this.
Here's the thing is I've I've come into I've stumbled
upon being able to particip bait in this historic heist.
I don't actually have the money to front them, but
I'm telling them I'm gonna front them. Here's what we're
gonna do. We're gonna double cross them and split the
whole pot between just you and me, what do you say?
And Bob is like, I'm your guy. Let's go. Let's roll.

(34:16):
So all the pieces are in place time for the heist,
and just like in all these stories, at first it's
all going to plan. They get away cars in the
exact right place at the exact right time, and they
go boop down under the under the streets through a
manhole and the cops don't see them, and they go straight,

(34:37):
you know, straight to where the the map says is
the place into the building, and there it is, and
they get into the building and Louis the safecracker, like
breaks through the wall and he gets into the into
the jewel place and they get into the where the
safe is and he blows up the safe. But then
the explosion from the safe blows sets off some alarms.

(34:59):
Right now the cops are coming because.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
The whole downtown now is like they can hear these alarms,
like it's not in the building but the other buildings
around it.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
And I think that's one of the things about it
being a being a Midwestern not Chicago city, you know,
a smaller city, because it's quiet. And there's a scene
in the movie where they established this it's early on,
and you see Dix and he's sort of hiding from

(35:31):
the cops and he's on a city street and a
cop car drives by, and you can he and the
cops kind of the car is maybe a half a
block away, if not more, but we the viewer, can
hear every single word that is playing or being said
on the cops radio because it's so quiet. If it's

(35:52):
New York City or Chicago, the street's packed with noise
and cars and people in all hours. But this is
not Chicago, it's not New York. It's perhaps Cleveland, and
and so it's very very quiet. So the explosion, that
just the movement of the explosion, I think is what

(36:14):
sets off the alarms. It's not the people hear the explosion,
it's that that motion triggers the alarms, I think is
what happens in the book. And so there's sort of
and as you again, as you often see an these stories,
they're like halfway through the heist when stuff goes wrong,
and they're like, do we rent or do we grab
the diamonds that are right there? And they always grab
the diamonds that are right there? What the hell you're

(36:35):
gonna go to jail anyway. Did if you're going to
jail anyway, might as well grab it. You might get away.
Grab they grab that dough and and they're making their
way out of the place. And and I don't remember
if it's a cop or a security guard, but it's
but he's by himself. This this armed guard of some kind, uh,

(36:59):
comes in, you know, he is investigating the noise, yeas,
and and they overtake him. He drops his gun because
of course he has a gun, because it's the US,
even in nineteen forty nine. He drops the gun, the
gun goes off, and who does it shoot? Louis the
family man.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
And his kid is already sick too, so you're already
worried about his kid everything.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Of course, his kid is sick. So you know, they
can't take him to the hospital. Oh no, because it's own,
because it's a bullet wound, and you know, the hospitals
have to report that exactly. So they take Louis home,
and Louis asks to go home. They take him home.
And when we leave Louis at this point, they've they've

(37:49):
delivered him to his house. And I think Gus, who's
the one who knows everybody Gus calls, you know, a
doctor who specializes in this sort of thing to come
to the the Chavelli home and help Louis. And Louie's wife,
of course, is hysterical because she was like, I thought
we weren't doing this anymore. I can't believe this. I
got a baby and a baby's sick, and oh my goodness.

(38:12):
And so that's where we leave Louis and his family
for a little bit, and now the other folks have
to you know, Now the other folks go to Emeric,
who's who's their money guy, and they're like, look, we
got the diamonds. We need the money fast because we
got it all blow and maybe you should go underground
for a little while too. And Emeric's like, here's the thing, though,

(38:33):
like when I said I had the money, I didn't
mean I had it. Like right now, well, we're gonna
have to just cool our heels here, and he's just
stalling them so that his heavy guy Brandham can like
overtake them, and they figure out what's going on, and
I think Dix shoots Brandham. M hm, okay, so now

(38:55):
Brandham is dead. He instantly kills him. Brandam is dead,
and Emeric is now up to his neck in a
heist that has gone wrong, and he has a dead body.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
And a dead body, right, and he's got a girlfriend
who calls him Uncle Leon by the way, Yeah, who
doesn't know what's going on, but she's not going to
be happy.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
And and and he has a wife. Oh, it's looking bad.
It's not.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
It's not a great position for this guy who normally
is very elegant and nobody ever sees anything bad about him.
He always like, he always looks like I have everything
under control. Nothing would go nothing would pass him. Right,
He's unflappable, right, he's he's just as wise as these criminals,
like they can't get by him. But here he is, okay,
now I've got a dead body here.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Yeah, and his I think Brandham is the one random
shoots Dix in the fight. But but Dix it like
it's it's a what do you call that? It goes
in and out, Yeah, just a question kind of it
goes through, which if he could have gone to a doctor,

(40:00):
would probably be fine. But and also he's like a
tough guy, and also he's not that smart. So he's like, no,
I'm fine, I'm fine. I got it. I'm fine, I'm okay,
and so he's just like holding onto this Dick's wound. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
My favorite is when Doll says oh, he's like, oh,
it's hurting, and she goes, I'll get you some aspirin
and she runs over like aspirin for his black wound
his body.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Oh, Doll, you're not You're not that smart. So now
Riemann Schneider and Dix are are in a real pickle.
And oh, the cops pick up Gus, the getaway driver.
So he goes to jail. So Reemann Schneider and Dick's

(40:45):
like shake hands, split ways. Dix has his cut or
a cut. I think he's got some money. Now he's
determined to go home to Kentucky, like he's really out
to lunch at this point, you know, he's got a
gunshot wound and as I said, he's he's not that smart.
Yeah anyway, and he's yeah, he's bleeding profusely, and so

(41:07):
he goes and gets asked the only person he can
ask to help him, who's definitely going to help him, Doll,
good old doll, Doll, can you get me a car?
And she's like, well, I'll you got your wounded. Let's
shouldn't we get a doctor. He's like, nope, can't do that,
just need a car. Thanks, And she's like, okay, well
let me drive at least he's like, nope, I'm driving.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
You know, he stubborn ding dong, come on.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
And it's actually so they're driving. So then so then
they're driving out of the city. And now we go
back to Riemann Schneider. And Riemann Schneider also is like
making he knows he's got to get out of town,
and he gets like a little bit out of town
and again with a Cabby, like he's very friendly with

(41:53):
Abby's for some reason. And he's like, you know what,
before we go, before we get on the highway, I forget.
But there's for some reason, they're not gonna be able
to stop for a while. So he decides to stop
at this burger joint, like the last place that they
can stop. Okay, and you know, there's the subject of
a statewide man hunt, but sure burgers, why not. So

(42:15):
he's getting a burgery Margo, and he's sugary, but he
also knows, like he he knows he's not going to
eat for a while. So yeah, so yeah, he wants
to eat, so he gets he gets his cheeseburger or whatever,
and uh, he's about to leave, but then he notices
there's and it's late at night, it's like eleven thirty

(42:35):
at night, if not later. And there's some kids in
the diner, and by kids, I mean like fourteen, a
bunch of boys and one girl. And he's watching the
girl and ogling the girl. And the girl is trying
to get the boys to play her some music on

(42:57):
the jukebox, but they're out of Nichols, and so Riemann Schneider,
who's just robbed a jewelry that jeweler, is like, I've
got Nichols, I got you, said Nichols. Honey, Yeah, how
about I put Nickols in and you dance and I watch.
And he's such an unassuming right, that's the thing. He
doesn't look thing. Nobody, none of the boys for a

(43:20):
moment thinks like this guy is a dirty old man
who's ogling our friend. Like it doesn't occur to them.
Even the guy who runs the diner isn't like, well,
maybe stop watching, like maybe don't watch the kids. But
so he just gives her a whole stack of Nichols
and and sits and watches her dance because because he

(43:40):
can and he's he's He sits for kind of a
long time, kind of a long time, longer longer than
perhaps he should have, and long enough for the cops
to show up and see his very recognizable face in
the diner, and as soon as he sets foot outside
they snatch him up. And he says to the cops like,

(44:03):
how long were you out here? And they were like
two or three minutes, and then only he's like, yes,
at the length of a song, got it? Yeah, I
did that one extra song. It was one extra song.
And now he's going to prison for the rest of
his life. And then we go back. But so that's
everybody accounted for. Everyone's either dead or in jail, except
for Dix, who again has a gunshot wound that is

(44:27):
just barely being barely been wrapped up, and he's behind
the wheel. That's exciting with Doll driving to Kentucky. Sure,
now here's where the ending is very different than in
the film. In the film, and I love the way
it is in the film. In the film, they get

(44:49):
to the they get to the ranch. We know his
family doesn't own it. Anymore. But he, you know, he
gets out and he dies. He collapses. It like three
steps onto the ranch and he collapses. And that's that's
the end of the film. And it's gorgeous. In the book,
they arrive at the ranch, he thinks he's home. He
goes up to the front, you know, and he's also

(45:10):
delirious from bleeding so much. And Doll doesn't know what's
what does the family live here? Is this even like
she knows the name of the ranch and this is
definitely that ranch that the sign says so. And so
the Dix stumbles up to the door and pounds on
the door, and this stranger answers, this Polish immigrant. So

(45:32):
we have this like themes of like these immigrants, and
it's so interesting. And the Polish immigrant says to Dix,
your family sold the place after your dad died. Your
mom and your brother are living in a little place
in the city now whatever city that is in Kentucky,

(45:54):
but they're in town and they live in this little
place in town. And he gives them the address, and
you know, and Dix is like barely holding onto consciousness
at this point, and Doll's like basically just carrying him
she's like, yeah, I'm driving. Now we're you know, if
we're going there, I'm definitely driving. This is we're not
arguing about this anymore. And so they she drives to

(46:17):
the address and when they get I mean, the whole
way it's written is so beautiful, Like the way he
describes the that's the transition of the city to the
highway to the country. We get this whole journey that
Dix and Doll are on. And now they're driving into
the little town in Kentucky and you know, it's a little downtown,
little main street, and they pull up in front of

(46:37):
this tiny little house down there, and Dix kind of
perks up and he's like, wait, this house. Turns out,
when he was a kid, you know, like a teenager
and living on the ranch, he had a girlfriend who
lived in this house. Oh right, and he has all
these memories he goes into because he's again he's in
and out, he's with the blood loss and everything, and

(46:59):
so he goes into this whole reverie about the girl
Sue Ellen or whatever her name was, that she dated,
that he dated, and how there was a swing on
the porch and he and his brother broke the swing
and the dad got mad, and what the fence looked
like and what the girlfriend was like and the whole thing,
and Dolla's like, I don't know what is going on.

(47:20):
I just know we got to get this guy some help.
And she knocks on the door and these two like
grim underfed people answer the door. One we learn is
is Dix's brother, Woodbruff I think is his name, I

(47:43):
know it starts with a W. And the other is
his mother, Dix's mom. And they live in this absolutely
threadbear little shack that Dix's girlfriend used to live in,
and he even recognizes some of the furniture that was
there when his girlfriend lived there, Like that's how oh
broke these two are and also significantly again the symbolism

(48:05):
his his older brother is like a like a sheriff's deputy.
He's he's law enforcement. You know, he's not he's not
making the big bucks or it would seem even a
livable way. He is a local. Yeah, he has a job,

(48:26):
and that job is as a as an officer of
some kind of local you know, law enforcement officer. And
so arguably, in the end, the law does get Dix right,
and so Dicks, they lay him out there, you know,
in the little room, and and he's just he is,
and he's he's back at the ranch, you know, and

(48:46):
he's hallucinating about this horse that they had because they're
the dad bred horses. That's what they did at the ranch,
the families and families and generations. But the war has happened,
the depression has happened, a lot of people lost, you know,
generational wealth out right, and even and the brothers like geez,
I can't even thought about that horse in forty years.

(49:06):
I can't believe he's talking about that horse. And and
then and then Dick s dies and that's that's the
end of the story, except I think we go back
to the police commissioner who's like, well, got it all.
So l deefellas as always wins, and that's the end.
But it's I mean, it's I love that whole passage
with Dixon Doll like there's it's quite a it's long,

(49:29):
you know, it's a whole long journey that they go on,
and and it's barely touched on in the film at all,
but I totally get why. I mean, it would have
been like why are we going on this long trip?
Nixon Dahl. But in the book, it just somehow it
works really well because we've gone on these reveries. Oh,
I forgot to mention that, and I can't remember. In

(49:52):
the it's different in the movie than it is in
the book, but but at some point somebody bursts in on.
We do catch up with Louis's family and we learned
that Louis has died and his wife is spondent. In
the book, it's quite a long scene of the wife,
and it's really the wife and she's being comforted by

(50:15):
all of her neighbors who are also widows for one
reason or another, you know, and they're like, don't cry,
you know, he's in a better place. He's with my husband.
I'm sure they're waiting for us.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
You know.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
It's really sad, right, And yeah, whereas in that they
allude to it differently in the movie than they do
in the book. But yeah, so so Louis, you know,
Louis one more heist. Of course was the last, because
it always is. But it's it's all of these things
that we think about as tropes now are tropes because

(50:47):
of arguably because of asphalt Jungle, and I mean you
saw them before, but not really. I mean this is
really people have just copied this story over and over
and over again. Yeah, so it's really well written. I was.
I was telling Margo, like, I stayed up too late
last night because I didn't I wanted to know what
happened next. I wanted to know what happened next. And

(51:09):
when I got to that part about Dixon Doll, I mean,
I could not put it down, even though nothing's really happening.
They're just driving places.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
It's like, and I like Gus, Gus is uh and
in the be have this in the movie too, Gus
is Uh.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
He's a very interesting character.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
He's somebody that like, right, he knows all the near
dwells and what they're doing, and he always protects them
over the cops, though he does know the cops and
they all know him. But he's also a big fan
of cats and he takes care of the kiaty cats
in the neighborhood. They come and he feeds them on
the counter. And if you go in there and you're
you're you just got to deal with that.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
That's part of like you better not object your cat
eating on the counter will throw you out.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
He's yeah, he's gonna throw you out. He will grab
you by the scruff of your neck and throw you out.
He like he likes the cats more than you, so
he's it's it's these interesting characters and they all have
their interesting quirks, and it's really well done, and it's
very smart, and much of the dialogue when you watch
the movie. And John Houston was a big fan of W. R.
Burnett's work and had corresponded with him when they were

(52:07):
putting the screenplay together and and said, I'm thinking of
changing this and using that, and we're gonna and much
of the dialog is directed from the book.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
I mean, it's it's super smart. Oh absolutely, you big
banana head. That's straight out of the book. And in
fact that there's in the book. It's a little it
goes a little bit farther that she says, you big
banana head, and he's like banana head, right, And it's
the worst she could think of.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
And even she sort of in the moment, she's like,
I'm trying to call him something, but I don't know
what to say, so she just calls him a banana
head versus a son of a bitch or whatever we
would say now.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
But she Yeah, she's so funny, it's cute. It's it's
very cute, you know, and it just shows her naivete
and how much of you she's a minor yep. Now,
Burnette and Houston had worked together I think a couple
of times before this film. But yeah, you can totally
tell that that Burnette was like absolutely on board because

(53:04):
it's it's as I say, even when it's different, even
when it goes off the story that's in the book,
it still keeps the spirit of that because we just
don't have time. We don't have time to see Louise's
wife and the neighbor wives, you know, have their whole scene.
So we have where the cops burst in. We do

(53:26):
have something like that that happens in the book, but
we also have this stuff with with her the wife,
and the and the neighbors. So I mean, gosh, let's
talk about this movie already, because yeah, it's good. Trailer. Yeah,
I know, we realized my story is really great.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
So here's the trailer. For some reason, TikTok or Facebook
didn't wouldn't let me play it, and Instagram wouldn't let
let me play the trailer. It's bizarre to me. It's
a nineteen fifty trailer for.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
Okay, all right, there you go here. Apologies if you
don't see this on YouTube.

Speaker 7 (53:57):
You know what, Only the author of Little Caesar could
tell so dramatic a story. Only the director of the
Treasure of Sierra Madre couldn't film it with such powers.

(54:22):
Only once in a decade does the screen come up
with such absorbing characters. Sterling Hayden as Dick's Handley, a
hooligan with a twisted dream. Gene Hagen as Doll the
diamond Dan's name who wanted to share that shabby dream?

Speaker 6 (54:39):
Please?

Speaker 7 (54:40):
Dix, Please, you're crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I'm on the lamb. I want a bad packing heat
is any trouble? What good would you be?

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I'm one on a killing rat.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
You know what that means.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
I don't care.

Speaker 8 (54:51):
I just want to be with you.

Speaker 7 (54:52):
Louis Calhoun is Emerrick, a big time mouthpiece with crime
on his mind.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Well, I suppose the fellow should stick to his own.
But I know some pretty big men around here that
might not be a verse to a deal like this
if they're properly approached, highly respectable men.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
I might add Sam Jeffey as doc. He's got a
million dollars in that little black bag and a jitterbug
cost him every diamond. Awl and Monroe as Angela the
easy living, green eyed blonde.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Haven't you bothered me enough? Few big banana head Just
try breaking my door, mister Emmick will throw you out
of the house.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
James Whitmore has Gus the strong arm boy, A right
guy in a wrong world.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
You are.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
You kidding me? Who's not going to watch this movie?
Who's not going to want to see that? I want
to see it again right now. I know.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
I just watched it again this afternoon, my third time
this week. It's so it's so good, it's so smart.
It's just if you think old pictures, they're like, first
of all, it's gorgeous.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Oh yeah, it's yeah. Should we talk about the cast?
I this cast? First of all? John Houston, right, just
a giant, Just a giant. I don't again, just like W. R. Burnette?
How how did he do it? How did he make

(57:21):
so many.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
Classic movies up until his dad Pritsy's on her end
yet pretty honor right, which is on our list. It's
definitely on our list. We'll definitely cover that one day.
And he was an actor.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Okay, and and.

Speaker 6 (57:39):
Yes he's a great act and brilliant actor. Good, yes, yes,
I mean, we can't recommend this enough. I think people
just clearly one of these two. We have a few
directors like this that you can just tell that people
just really love to work on their projects. Maybe they

(57:59):
didn't love the the actual filmmaker. Maybe they were like
notoriously difficult some of them are, but people. You know,
you see one of these where you see over and
over and over again the same people like W. R.
Burnett working on the screenplay giving us our source material.
Here you see the same actors over and over again
that come and this is a very interesting piece. This

(58:21):
cast at this point in history. Is who else but
John Houston could have brought these folks together. They were
all New York actors. Most of them were New York actors.
They were friends in New York. And that's one of
the reasons why he picked them, because they weren't movie stars,
you know, Sterling was, I mean, but the rest of
them were more character actors or they were theater actors.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
So they but.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
They had a comarodity amongst themselves. But so we have
Sterling Hayden as Dix Hanley and Sterling Hayden is the
Cop McCluskey and the Godfather. That's what he's most known for.
He's six foot five, devastatingly handsome, like Brad Pitt Hansome,
I mean, wow, resty.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
And yeah, and genuinely scary in this movie.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
Yes, yes, he he he's very taciturn and sometimes you
know that can just come across as kind of quiet
or boring and not with him. He has these dark
eyes too, like he's just like looking at you sometimes
and he's like he's just taking in what you're saying,
and it's kind of unnerving.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
He's great.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Lewis calhern As Alonso d Emerick is fantastic. I mean
so once again elegant. He just comes across as he
got and then he stops her once while he goes,
actually I'm broke. Actually yeah, I'm bankrupt. I'm gonna have
to uh, I gotta do this because you know, but
he doesn't lose as cool. He's kind of on the precipice,

(59:47):
but he's not losing it. Jane Hagen as doll Is,
I mean, I'm so sad to hear she died very young.
She was apparently got sick in her forties, and I know,
I know said people know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Her as I get the character's name and singing in
the rain, the one that that Debbie Reynolds is dubbing
yes because she can't sing.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
James Whittner as Gus and he's played Brooks in the
Shawshank Redeption.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
I mean just he's wonderful. I mean, this performance is
so good. We talked about him when we talked about Oklahoma.
That's right. He plays Annie. What's her name, ado Annie? Yes,
ado Annie. She's ado Annie's father with the shotgun and
that makes her Mary Eddie Albert. Totally different kind of character.

(01:00:39):
Yright just like with just like with Gene Hagen, like
doing comedy and then here she's just heartbreaking. Just want
to shake her by the shoulders.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
Sam Jaffy is Doc Irwin Reidenschneider, who's he was nominated
for an Academy Award, is once again just once He
also I would just say elegant, like just doesn't carry
him himself as somebody's gonna lose control. He's super smart.
They ask what's it like to be in prison? He goes,
that's not so bad. You got to figure. You know,
he just wow. John McIntyre is police Commissioner Hardy. He's

(01:01:13):
also I love the suits he was wearing. He just
looks amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Lieutenant is the super honest police commissioner, like like Commissioner
Gordon and Batman.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Yes, Lieutenant Barry Kelly is Lieutenant Dietriz not his honest
but also I think he's sort of like, look, we
can't handle everything that's happening here, Like I got to
let some stuff go. And he's like, no, you have
to catch all the criminals and you can get very honest,
very earnest man. But he's great. Anthony Caruso is Lewis Chiavelli.

(01:01:45):
He's very good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Teresa Kelly is the place's wife.

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
Marilyn Monroe plays by Angela, the Miss Marie Maria, and
then Marilyn Monroe, who's not even listed in the credits
because it's so early in her career, and then like
a year later they then started adding her and ever
since then on the television stuff like that. But and
she's great as Angela. I mean, and she wears a
suit in the first scene that she's like sleeping on

(01:02:12):
the couch. That suit she's wearing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
Oh my gosh, that suit is so gorgeous. Did they
painted on her? Ready? We'll show her.

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
I mean, it's it's she's just I mean, but there's
so many other people, I mean, and Helene Stanley is Jeanine,
the girl that's dancing, and we'll have a clip of
Janine dancing later. But this cast is just top notch.
I mean, everyone's just doing their best work. I should say.
It was nominated for a large number of awards. It

(01:02:40):
comes out in May of nineteen fifty, so the Oscars
are usually spring the year after, and it's the year
of Oh my god, I just blanked on the name.
It's Betty Davis movie All About Eve. Sorry, that's the year.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Oh, yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
So Marilyn Monroe is also the same year in All
About Eve. So that's a big year for her. It's
a very very big year for Marilyn Monroe. James Whitmore,
by the way, James Whitmore in the nineteen seventies was
married to Audre Linley Missus Roper, Missus Roper. Yeah, they

(01:03:15):
were married during the time that she was Missus Roper.
She was married to James Whitmore. Oh, how much you
want to hang out with that. But of perhaps I know,
But of perhaps more important historical significance is the fact
that okay, as Margo says, it's right after the it's
right after or not right after. It's a few years

(01:03:35):
after World War Two, where you know, not everybody is
bouncing back, right. And also in Hollywood we've just gone
through the McCarthy era. And interestingly for this film we
have Sterling Hayden, Sterling Hayden, and it is really sad.

(01:04:00):
I'll just give you the broad strokes Sterling Hayden named names. Yeah,
the government really threatened people and really intimidated them, and
you know, not everybody. He all handled that different differently.
He also deeply regretted it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
He and vocal the rest of his life vocally yes, absolutely,
every time someone tried to shame him, he was like,
you're right, that was I shouldn't have done that. He didn't.
He didn't understand. He was an acnoclass. This is a
person that like he left school when he was seventeen
and became a sailor.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
He and he was like it just he was growing.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
He was like in New England, he went to a
bunch of different schools and seventeen, he just takes off
and he becomes a sailor.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
He acts for a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Little while, and then in World War Two he joins
the os I and he's a spy with the os I,
and then he comes back again. He always had problems
with We talked to him a lot with a godfather,
and also I think he was going to play Quint
in Jaws, like they really wanted him in the rock
showy part.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
And I think you and I talked about him a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:05:04):
Yeah, but he always said he didn't like to pay tag.
He had a problem with the government after the huac hearing,
so he stopped paying his taxes. So he couldn't live
in America. So if he came to work, it was
only for a short period of time, so he lived
on an island for a while. I mean, he's just
a fascinating, fascinating person. But yes, the nineteen fifties, Yes,

(01:05:24):
at first you have the Hayze coat. So there's only
so much you could show. So in the movies You've
got you can't profit from bad behavior like you bad
bad guys have to get caught.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Yes, the bad guys don't get away with ye Now
in this case. In the book, that's exactly what happens,
like everybody, everybody meets the same end that they meet
in the book, but also in the same casts where
you have Sterling hated. But this, I mean we're talking
about like, oh, yes, he regretted it for the rest
of his life, and he always he was super like
very vocal about his date about that, and yeah and

(01:05:57):
owned it and yeah, never shied from talking about his
shame about it. But this film is right after that happened.
Number one and number two. Also in this cast we
have Sam Jaffe who was blacklisted, right, So they're both
in this same cast, which to me says a lot

(01:06:22):
about John Houston that because all this stuff is still
pretty fresh and raw, you know that the Hausain American
Activities Commission is closer in the rearview mirror at this
point for them than COVID is the outbreak of COVID
is for us. You know, it's pretty recent, and yet

(01:06:43):
they all like this. The ensemble of this movie, the men,
I mean, there's only really well there's not only two women.
There's Angel that's Marilyn Monroe, there's Doll that's Gene Hagen.
Then you have the wives. You have Emeric's wife.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
Nay, who's wonder Dorothy full Dorothy Tree, She's oh so good, good,
She's in bed the whole time, and she's so good.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
He said, bed the entire time, and she and you
cannot take your eyes off of her. And she you
really get this sense of, you know, you're not quite
sure is she actually stick? What's going on here? Why
can't she get out of bed? But also she really
she She and Emeric have known each other and had
a relationship for so many like you really get from

(01:07:33):
her the sense of like this shared history that they
both have. It's great. And also Louis Chiavelli's wife is
wonderful too, I mean again also heartbreaking. So it's yeah,
it's just the whole thing, all of them together and
the and just the chemistry that they all have and

(01:07:53):
the energy that they have together. There's you know, there
are certain points in the story where Dix Dix is
hired to be a quote unquote a whol again, like
he's hired to be a heavy. He's not hired for
his brains. No, he's not hired to be a mastermind.
That's Jaffy, that's that's Riemann Schneider's job right. And we

(01:08:14):
have these moments throughout the film where it is Riemann
Schneider and Dix, you know, reman Riemann Schneider sees sees
Dix at the Bookies and it's like, tell me about
this guy, like he seems he seems useful, you know.
And and then we have these moments where they're on
the run together and and you know where Dix gets

(01:08:35):
shot and all of that, and those are two in
real life. These are two men who were on completely
opposite ends of a really terrible period in our in
our history. And the chemistry is it's just I totally
buy it. Yeah, by all of the relationships, there not

(01:09:00):
a single one run like. I love that we establish.
I mean, Jeffy is Riemann Schneider. I mean, it's so key.
It's so key. He's so unassuming that it makes him terrifying.
He's really scared. He's really scary. I should say. He's

(01:09:22):
been in prison for a super long time and what
we we've established is a really really scary prison with
very scary criminals. And he's like, yeah, you just came
to yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
I had ways to keep my you know, keep my
mind occupied because because yeah, because the Emeric is like,
I couldn't, I couldn't last a minute. And we also
forgot to mention like Emeric in the story he says,
I'm not going to jail. I couldn't last. And he
probably couldn't because he's a defense attorney. I mean, he's older.
I mean there's lots of reasons why. But at one
point he signs a note, a suicide note. Makes a

(01:09:54):
good point, yes, and he but uh, yeah, in the
in the book, it's it's yeah, I was gonna saying.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
The book, it's a little bit different in the book.
In the book, he's in his own house. I think
they think they're in they're all in his house. He's
with the cops and and oh no, no, no, no, no,
I'm sorry. He's he's at the cottage where Angela, Angela
hapless Angela is and he says to the cops, can

(01:10:23):
I go call my wife? And this isn't the movie
to you, Can I just go call my wife and
tell her goodbye? And the cops know this guy really well,
like they have a history together, they've worked together a lot.
They don't want to arrest him. But they have to.
And he calls his wife and they have this last
conversation and I think he says to her that he's

(01:10:44):
committed a crime, and she's like, I can't believe that.
Why would what would you possibly why did the police
want to talk to you? Why would you do that?
I would you wouldn't commit a crime? Of course you wouldn't.
And and he realized this like, oh, man, like this
is really I can't go on like this, And and
he tells his wife to go to sleep, like she
needs she hasn't been sleeping well and she needs to

(01:11:05):
go to sleep. And then he hangs up the phone
and he takes his own life, and the police find
a note and the note says this is different than
in the movie. The note says, please do not wake
missus Emeric until past ten am, like she hasn't been

(01:11:27):
sleeping well or something like that. You know that that's
the notice the police, not to his wife as it
is in the film. And yeah, that's we forgot to
mention that. That's how he that's how he dies. Soy, yeah,
they all make it, they all meet a terrible end. Yeah,
but that's in the book. That's not just because of
the Hates Code.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
No, No, that the code. That was the policy. That
was the policy of the code. Like married couples couldn't
be in the same bed. There was all kinds of
things that you could. You couldn't show a toilet in
a bathroom. It was like all kinds of ridiculous things.
But in the movie, he writes a note to her
basic and he says like I'm ashamed or whatever, and
then he just rips up the note.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
It's so sad.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
And then he ripped and he looks at and then
he rips up the note, and then the cops come
to the door.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
So yeah, no, it's but it's so brilliant. I mean,
for all the shooting and fighting and slugging and bleeding
and all of that, it's really not that grizzly of film.
Certainly not by today's standards, but even by then, I
think it's not that No, it's not that horrible. And

(01:12:27):
so you don't see him, we don't see him actually
do it, or they don't do they don't do like
you would do in other films where they show like
his shadow on the wall, you know, pointing the gun
and all of that. He writes the note. He starts
to write the note to his wife. He rips it up.
We have close up on his hands only he starts

(01:12:47):
to write the note, he rips it up, and then
he opens a drawer in the desk quickly, in haste.
He opens the drawer and we see the drawer is
pretty much empty. He opened the door, closes the drawer,
and then a beat and then a gunshot. So he's
opened the other drawer that has the gun in it, clearly.

(01:13:10):
But that's the way that they show up. It's just
so genius. I just love the way they did it
so good. Should we show some clips? Yeah? What should
we show? Let's see? How about well we got to
show some Marilyn. We've got to let's go. This is
our first intro to Marilyn in this movie. And look,

(01:13:32):
it's unforgettable in her suit. What's the big idea?

Speaker 8 (01:13:42):
Is standing is staring at me?

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Uncle Lane?

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Don't got you liked it? Maybe I did? I don't anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
I have the market send over some salt macro for you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
I know how you love it for breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Some sweet kid, it's late, Why don't you go to bed?
Some sweet kid?

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
And she was not famous and they she was not
a a and they didn't and she wasn't a slam
dunk to get the part. There are a lot of
women that were up for that part, and there's a
lot of different stories about how Marilyn Monroe got that
particular part. I don't know, but I think, boy, she
makes an impression. I mean, when she's on that screen,
you're like, oh, wow, okay, so this is his missus

(01:14:54):
A druma okay.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
I've heard a lot of people tell the story about like, oh,
you know, she an audition and it only was when
she turned around and walked out of the room that
John Houston was like, oh, she's hired. She gets the part.
I found a clip of John Houston talking about casting
Marilyn and the story that he told was that she
was reading. I think it was this scene where she's

(01:15:20):
supposed to be on the sofa, like we just saw
her lying on the sofa and seeing her lines without
getting up from her reclined position on the sofa, and
that there was no sofa in in the particular room
that they were auditioning in, and so she got down
on the floor and did the scene from the floor,
and that impressed him. And that's what he said, that

(01:15:41):
that impressed him and that was why that he cast her,
that she was great. I had he couldn't believe that
she thought of doing that, and that she did it
really well.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
I also read that he said that when she left
the room, it was like making an entrance in any
other movie, Like she just was so memorable, like.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
The second I mean, clearly just saw exactly. We get that.
That's why she's in movies. How many rooms can we
get her to walk out of in this picture? That's
I'm amazed that they that the restraint that he had
did not just have her like what. We just get
to watch her walk out of every single scene that
she was in. Our music, The music in this is

(01:16:20):
so good. Our composer is I hope I'm pronouncing this correctly,
and I'm sorry if i'm not. Miklos Rosia mm hmm.
He also did the music for a little film called
Ben hur Oh I heard of that, also Spellbound, Double Indemnity.
You know, it's a heavy hitter. Our costumes. Speaking of costumes,

(01:16:44):
the costumer that's credited at least on IMDb is named
Joan Joseph. I think is her name? Okay, and she
mostly did TV like you know, like Murder. She wrote
stuff like that later on. That's what it says on IMDb.
Doesn't mean it's correct, you know, they might sometimes they
get their wires crossed. If you have somebody with a
name like Joan Joseph, like maybe it's some other Jon Joseph.

(01:17:06):
But that's what it says here. Okay, So yeah, not
a lot of not a lot of film credits from
this era for Joan Joseph. But and she's not credited,
you know, in the credits. But that's what it says,
is the that's who she, it says, is the costumer.
I want to know about that suit. The costumes I
think are the suit is spectacular, but not just that's
I mean, right, all of her stuff that she wears

(01:17:28):
is so great in this movie. But also the things
that Geene Hagen is wearing, you know, that are clearly
like they're they're not expensive. They're just things that she
bought off the rack at the local, you know, or whateverever.
And and then you have missus Emerick in her extremely
expensive probably custom made, you know, bedjacket as she's sitting

(01:17:50):
in bed like like she is, and the commissioner suits
like you mentioned, and and emerics whole wardrobe is very meticulous,
you know, bespoke, right and versus. Oh gosh, there's this
scene where I think it's where they all go after
I can't remember if it's when they all go after
the heist to Emericks. But there's this scene where Dix

(01:18:11):
is wearing and Dix is so huge, He's just a
mountain of a six mean sterling. Hayne was very so
much taller than everybody else. Yeah, and he is wearing
this the tiniest of neckties. It like it comes like
probably just below his nipples. It's just nice. Yeah, so short,

(01:18:32):
you know. And where did he buy He bought it
out of some bin somewhere, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
It's really wonderful, wonderful choices for the costume, the locations
and the sets. Yeah. Wow, everything, every single little detail,
every lighting angle, every everything is just so well thought out.
It's so impressive. I just love I love that Sea

(01:19:02):
is walking walking again. It's after the war, and I
don't know, maybe it's Los Angeles, maybe it's a backlot.
I don't know where they're actually shooting at. I've tried
to find where locations where I didn't get a second
to find it. But but where he it looks like
where he's walking is a you know, long shut main

(01:19:24):
street of a mid Midwestern town. You know, everything's closed,
there's all the industry has gone away, either because of
the depression or because of the war. And the boom
you know, was happening here in California and there in
New York and in a couple of other places, but
not it takes a while for it to reach all
the way to the Midwest. Uh So I love he

(01:19:48):
really captures that. And like I said, like he's in
the he's on a city street and the police car
is driving by in the distance, and he can hear
what the police car radio is saying. We all can
we can hear a crystal clear because there's no other sound.
It's so good.

Speaker 7 (01:20:10):
A thing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
Yeah, yeah, just what a great movie. Yeah I do.
I wonder Mayor tried to make it three more twice.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
Yeah, like I said, I think it was Cincinnati. They
filmed a lot of these things, but they also did
film on a backlot in but Kentucky and Cincinnati seem
to be the two main places. And then they oh
and how idyllic does like the whole Kentucky way.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
Yeah, when the horse and the horses crowding around him,
like what do they slather in peanut butter? What do
they do to get the horses to do that? It's
so moving, it's so sad, totally different than in the book.
But I love the way that they do that ending
in the movie. It's so beautiful. And then she jeene
Hagen like running and running up to the house like no, oh,

(01:20:59):
just m oh dull, oh dull. She's wonderful when she's
when she's crying and she has to peel off both fake.

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
And there's one that's on, and when that's off, she's
she's so pathetic and but but you could feel it
like she just loves him so much and she's so
glad that he's just spending a minute with her.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
It's her self esteem.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
Is not happy that he's there SunShot wounds or no
exactly talking to her, not talking to her, you know,
being hostile, not being hostile.

Speaker 5 (01:21:29):
I mean she's like she doesn't care. Now. Just I
love all the characters so much, like when they bring
when they the cops arrest Gus, the guy that owns
the diner, or the getaway driver and they're bringing him
into jail and he sees Cobby the bookie, and he
plunges at him and oh that thinks, so think, think

(01:21:51):
like the worst thing that you can be, and oh
it's so good, just just wonderful. And he's the guy
who's not the fink, right, Gus who doesn't rat anybody out,
So that really means something coming from Gus like that,
he really thinks that that is just the worst, the
worst thing that you could possibly be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Oh, just.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Just perfect, just a perfect, perfect movie. I don't even
know what else to say about it. Let's just watch
something else. Let's see, Yeah, we've got uh, let's see
how about Oh, let's watch the okay. Riemann Schneider, Riemann Schneider,
the dirty old Man.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
Now, in the book we established that because we're getting
his inner dialogue and his inner thoughts. And in the
movie we establish it when he first shows up at
Cobby's and he's Cobby's like, goes off in the other
room for something for a minute, and Riemann Schneider spots
that Kabby has like a like a bikini calendar on
the wall. Yes, oh I love that. Yeah, and he

(01:22:56):
digs he like goes up and he's like oh, and
he digs out his reading glasses so he can get
it like as close a clear, crystal clear picture. And
he's like slowly and lasciviously flipping through this girly calendar. Oh,
it's so great. So that's how we established like this man,
how's a weakness. He does have a weakness, yes, oh yes,

(01:23:17):
and so let's let's get a load of Let's get
a load of Riemann Schneider's downfall, shall we.

Speaker 9 (01:23:47):
Mister, mister it's getting late, be moving along plenty of
the time. I flan time, mister, it's a long made
of Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
I suppose she'd better go now, don't go.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
We haven't used all the nickels. The thanks, it's sure
nice of you. Goodbye and thanks, thanks ever so much.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Guys all mine.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
But you notice how the cab driver has like a
German accent. Also, yeah, but if they don't have that,
you know, quite the back and forth in the report
that they do in the book. Anyway, he's he grows
to like Riemenscheider, you know, because they have had that,
they've had that the banter. So so he's trying to
help him. He sees the cab driver, sees the cops

(01:24:55):
and is like, this, probably don't think this is good.
We should probably go. Let's go, And when the cops
are pretended the apprehend him, the cab drivers like, what
do you mean this is a harmless old man from Germany?
Just leave him alone. Yeah, it's really great. Yeah, I

(01:25:18):
it's so, it's so good. I say, it's on, it's
on to b it's like for free here I saw it.
I mean it's I don't know. I don't know what
to tell you. So I know it's just I really,
I really could just watch it all over again and
get something different. Loved. Just every single choice is so beautiful.

(01:25:38):
I just just can't even believe. I don't know why.
In my memory of this movie I was remembering as
being like a you know, like a I don't know,
I was remembering it being like a not as good
kind of gangstery movie for some reason. I don't know
why I had that in my mind, But uh, I
never saw it before.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
This is yeah, it's not it's really really good. That's
all I could say. It's great, it's really really it's smart.
Can we play that one?

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
Before we go the uh it's the double cross.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
A few days more may not seem like a very
long time for you, mister Ike, but to me, carrying
this alum, it would seem like earls.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
I've got a solution for that too, That is, if
you boys trust me, and if you don't, well, there's
nothing like s except that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Stini, Like, what are you trying to tell us about
the jewels?

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Wouldn't be safe for you to carry that stuff around?

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
You said so yourself. You mean we leave them, but
you well, I'll look here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
When the police start looking for that stuff tomorrow morning,
they're not likely to call me up. They're not likely
to send detectives out to search my house.

Speaker 6 (01:26:49):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
You want the other hand, Doc, you you're just out
of prison. They're certainly going to be looking for the
big timers like yourself. Some smart cop might even connect
this burglary with your release. Well there you are, of course,

(01:27:16):
As I said, y, it's up to you. You can
keep in touch with me through Cobby.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
You did a great job, Emric, but it's not working.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Bah.

Speaker 7 (01:27:26):
Back away and keep out of this Emric now, you farmer,
get your hands up and you fritz.

Speaker 8 (01:27:36):
The other back of the floor over here by my feet.
Be careful how you throw it. I got a pistol,
expert metal. What do you say, dicksh He's got no say.
He makes a crooked move. He'll never pitch another folk
full of manure.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
He's got as die tossing the bag and not as
dumb as you look, this.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
Tiny little tie. I it's just and you know, I
I I had just read the book. I knew exactly
what was going to happen and how the book goes,
you know, tremendous detail, like the gun goes here, and
the gunshot go poo poo, and there we go. And
yet I am riveted. I am riveted and astonished by

(01:28:27):
this movie doing exactly what I just read about in
the book. It's great.

Speaker 6 (01:28:33):
Oh, if you love a heist picture, definitely check this out.
And especially the Marilyn of it, the Sterling Hayden of it.
You know, of course, the Sam Jaffy of its music,
the music, the direction, the script is great. I mean
it's like I said, it's you know sometimes at the
Academy Awards. The cops, Oh, the cops are really good too.
I mean, yeah, they're the acting is incredible all around.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
You were saying before though that this this was eclipsed
by by all About.

Speaker 6 (01:29:01):
All About Eve, right, so about which is also it's
a brilliant and amazing and a great script, and it
has amazing acting in it, and it's and it's different,
and it's it's fun and it's interesting, and it has
flawed people everywhere. I mean, it's like, yeah, it's it's
they're both really great. So Booker movie, I'm going to

(01:29:23):
pick the movie. I'm also going to pick I love
the book. I love this really really well written and
as I said, I couldn't put it down. I mean,
it was kind of long for for what we normally do, right.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
And and I didn't mind it at all lazy, no
nor I and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
I I.

Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
Loved this movie. So I mean, I love John Houston anyway,
just anyway, I just I just think he's as you
could probably tell, I'm a fan. But I in terms
of the adaptation of this book, I was, it's impressed
by the adaptation of this and the artistry of it,
as I was when we talked about Knight of the Hunter. Yeah,

(01:30:04):
and you know, that was a great book, and I
was just blown away by either thought, the direction and
the whole thing of that film. That production was terre
Blawton or yeah, and this is definitely on par with that.
I mean, people use the word masterpiece to talk about
Asphalt Jungle, and uh, all these years I was like,
really that gangster movie, But no, it turns out I

(01:30:26):
was super wrong, and I'm so glad because it's a wonderful,
wonderful film. And oh I cannot wait. I cannot wait
to talk about you know some other John Houston and
or W. L. Burrow Uh uh is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
That what was his name?

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
Burroughs? I want to say Burroughs, Yes, Burnette Burnett, w R. Burnett.
Uh more more please, we need to talk about more
of them. More love, love, love the whole team. Yes,
this is this.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
Is a not very very high thumbs up. I guess
you would say, like from the both of us, this
is this is exceptional. Was really really great.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
Yeah, it really was. Usually you ask me, I know,
usually I ask you what are we going to do next?
Because we didn't talk about it, because he did not
talk about it.

Speaker 6 (01:31:11):
But we had a couple of people reach out to us,
Margo that are on the younger side younger fans, and
one of them was fifteen and mentioned ten things I
Hate about you And it's based on Shakespeare's and I'm
blanking on the Shakespeare.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
Is it Shaming of the Shrew? Taming of the Shrew?

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Who?

Speaker 5 (01:31:31):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
And it's streaming everywhere and it's easy to get great
and I think it would just be really fun. We
haven't done a Shakespeare in a while. It's been it's been,
it's been a name.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
Yeah, and that movie is really fun. I I don't
know that I've ever seen it. Oh, it's so great.
It's really it's I think I'm not sure i've seen it. Yeah,
I think you'll like it. I think I really enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (01:31:54):
So that it's Keith Ledger, it's oh yeah, no, I've
definitely not seen it. Yeah, it's it's really fun. So
so that'll be.

Speaker 5 (01:32:03):
But let's do that next time. Ten Things I Hate
about You greatly?

Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
Okay, awesome, So that's coming up next, everybody, as you
can tell, this is how, this is how we come
up with things. So if you have ideas, please reach out.
You know, it could be you next, you know. So
the email went to all those places I mentioned at
the top of the show. For social media, our email
once again is Book Versus Movie Podcast spell itttle out
at gmail dot com. If you'd like some stickers, please

(01:32:27):
send us your address will drop them in the mail.
You can find us on Patreon. We do have all
We have a bunch of clips of this movie on
our Patreon wall, so go go check that. All there
there for free. But if you sign up once again,
we have some great movies that are up there. And
thank you so much for listening. And Margo, where can
they find you?

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
You can find me online at coloniabook dot com and
all my social media call outs are at Shee's Not
Your Mama and where can they find you?

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
You can find me at Brooklynfitchick dot com. I'm at
Brooklynfitchick for threads and Instagram. I'm at Brooklyn Margo for
TikTok and blue Sky, and on the YouTube, I'm at
my name Margo Donahue. Okay, everyone, thank you so much
for listening. We'll be talking about ten things I hate
about you next time, and be well.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
We'll be back soon. Oh what do you good play? Margot?

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
We got something, we got a clip to take us out.

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
I'm going to play. I'm going to play Riemond Schneider
talking about hoodlums and their usefulness.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Where do you guys think you're going on our way home? Yeah?
Where do you live?

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
South?

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
I'm Camden. You guys got no business and here this
is city property. The sign's all over the place. Everybody
uses it.

Speaker 10 (01:33:48):
You're telling me even a bunch of hoodlams have been
bringing young girls in here.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
It's that the fact.

Speaker 10 (01:33:53):
Yeah, it's already costs one of our boys' job and
account of the piece. If I were you, guys, i'd
stay out here. You understand, Okay? Officer, Hey, wait a minute,
you're with a bang.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Come here.

Speaker 6 (01:34:31):
Thank you so much for listening to the Book Versus
Movie podcast. We're a part of the Speaker podcast network.
Go to spreaker dot com to check out all of
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