"I Love Grunge: 'Grunge Is Dead' Outtakes"/Greg Prato [Episode 150]

Greg Prato is back on the podcast. Greg has released I Love Grunge: 'Grunge Is Dead' Outtakes, a follow up to his 2009 book Grunge Is Dead: The Oral History of Seattle Rock Music. It's one of Greg’s most popular books, packed with quotes from the people who were there when the Seattle music scene exploded in the early 90s along with some amazing photos. Greg shares some of what’s in the book in this episode!

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links to all of the social mediasites including Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
and TikTok. You can find everyepisode of Booked on Rock there, along
with links to your favorite listening platforms. Back on the podcast is Greg Prato.
Greg has released I Love Grunge GrungeIs Dead Out Takes. This is
a follow up to his two thousandand nine book Grunge Is Dead, The

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Oral History of Seattle Rock Music.As for that one, the new book
is packed with quotes from the peoplewho were there when the Seattle music scene
exploded in the early nineties. Gregshares some of what's in the book in
this episode. To hear a playlistof the music we discuss in this episode
To make sure you head over tothe show notes page. Greg, Welcome

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back to the podcast. Man.Great to see again, Eric, Thanks
for having me back on. Beforewe get to what's in the book,
let's talk about what led you towriting this book? This is I love
Grunge, Grunge's Dead Outtakes. Thisis a follow up to a book that
came out way back in two thousandand nine. So what led to this
one? Yeah, Well, whatit is is the book that came out
in two thousand and nine, GrungeIs Dead. That's been one of my

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most popular books. I think that, like I've ever put out as far
as sales and as far as peoplecontinually you know, telling me that they
just got turned onto the book,or that they keep showing it to people
and stuff like that. So thatbook, I put a lot of work
into it back and I did itlike over several years. It was like

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around two thousand and five, six, seven eight even, I guess at
that point, and it took awhile for the publisher to put it out.
But what I'm getting at is therewas so much there were so many
quotes and so much info that hadto get cut from that, and it
was just sitting on a hard drivefor all these years. And about a
year ago, I just had alot of time on my hands and I

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was like, you know what,I wonder if any of that leftover material
is actually worthwhile. So I wentback, I pulled up the file,
and to my surprise, I hadpretty much a whole entire other book with
all quotes that were not in thefirst book. And it's almost like a
alternate. It's like an alternate Bruneis Dead kind of. It's we talk

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about a lot of the same topics, but there is also a lot of
also cool info that wasn't in thefirst book as well. There's a lot.
Definitely enjoy the first book. You'reabsolutely gonna love this book as well.
Yeah, man, a lot ofgreat quotes in this. This is
like a good deep dive type ofbook. Yes, if you're a fan
of this era, you're getting somestories that I don't know, maybe you
never heard before. It is interestingto see how long this music had been

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bubbling before it blew up in theearly nineties. After reading your book,
it goes all the way back tothe early eighties. Bands like Black Flag
and Sonic Youth would come through andthey made an impact on the then young
musicians in Seattle who would go onto form their own bands. The late
Bill reeflan drummer of the Blackouts andlater Ministry, had a great quote he
said, quote, nobody was concernedabout being musicians as a living. People

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at that age just want to bein a band because it's like eating something
you need to do. And thatstood out to me because so different from
the eighties rock mentality. Right,start a band, become a rock sog,
get famous, get the girls.What comes to mind for you from
the comments that you got regarding theearly eighties Seattle scene, Well, not
those many touring bands would really visitSeattle. I mean, like the big

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arena bands would, but as faras like punk bands and stuff, it
was such a drive from say Laall the way to Seattle that a lot
of bands didn't make it. Sowhen bands like Black Flag, Meat Puppets,
the Wipers, when they actually playedthere, it was definitely appreciated by
the people that lived there. Andas a result, it was almost like

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I know people have said in thebook that you would go from show to
show and it would be the samegroup of people going from show to show.
So you go to see one punkshow, say on Monday, of
like a local band, would bethe same people. Then you'd go see
like I don't know, like Devoor something like that. It would be
that same group, plus also otherpeople as well, So it was definitely
a sense of community, you couldsay. And as a result, again

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they didn't at that point people forgetpunk rock was not mainstream. There weren't
like the biggest punk bands in theUS weren't really mainstream. It was like
the Sex Pistols. And maybe thisis right before The Clash became really popular
with the Combat Rock album, Soeven the Clash was kind of considered not
really mainstream, Like they weren't,you know, like on par with Oreo

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Speedwagon, Like you weren't going tohear some of like some of the songs,
like they're like early Clash songs,you weren't going to hear on the
radio, for instance. But Ithink that a lot of the people from
Seattle and the era associated with thosebands and as a result inspired them to
also form their own bands. Andthat's how you got a lot of those
early great grunge bands are actually protogrunge bands, you could say. At

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the time, it talk about thisband malfunction. They are the subject of
chapter two in this book. Thiswas a cool clash of nineties grunge and
eighties showmanship. Yes, there's ait's a misconception, and also there is
some truth to it that people saythat there was a big difference between grunge
and also glam. I'd say grungehad a bit more in common with the

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glam of the seventies, where itwas more kind of like proto punk,
like the New York Dolls, theStooges, Circle like raw Power, that
they were kind of glamy at thatpoint. Bowie that early seventies glam had
more to do with punk rather thanif you think of eighties glam. That's
more pretty much to how I lookedat eighties glam. Most of it is

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just guys dressing feminine, but they'rejust trying to sound like Van Halen pretty
much, is how I kind ofsaw it, or how kind of how
I kind of hear it. Soto me, that was I think that
a lot of those grunge bands associatedwith the seventies glam and the band Malfunction
featured Andrew Wood on vocals and healso played bass at the time, and
of course a lot of people willknow that name because he eventually became the

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lead singer of the band Motherlove Bune, which then later turns into Pearl Jim
after Andy sadly died in nineteen ninetybut yeah, but malfunctioned. They sadly
never put out an album, butthey put out a bunch of demos and
there's some YouTube bootleg type videos,but from people I speak to, they
never really got properly documented, andin fact, some people who were friends

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with the band say that they maybeweren't as good as you remember them,
but like experiencing it at the time, they were definitely a cut above a
lot of the other bands, andthey were doing something a little bit different
because they were doing glam metal punktype stuff, but they were playing in
front of audiences. They had likemohawks and stuff like that, and they

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also Andy Wood, he had likewhite face. You pretty much had looked
like a member of Kiss, butwithout like any of the black designs,
like like no star or anything.It was just like the white face is
all you had. So it waskind of like a Kiss punk band playing
for mohawk type audiences. Is therefootage on YouTube of that band, Yes,
there is some. It's not proshot or anything, but you can

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definitely make it out that they werevery energetic, very unpredictable and if you
compare what they were doing in theearly eighties to what like mainstream rock was,
like the type of rock bands thatyou would read about in circus or
hit parade or they were definitely doingsomething different. You cover some of the
most important bands of that era,the Melvin's, Green River, Soundgarden,

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or Vana, Mother Love Bone,Alison Chains, Mud Honey, and Pearl
Jam A Green River is an interestingone. Some may not know about this
band, but super important to thatera. Can you talk about this band,
who the members were, and howas you right blurred the lines between
punk and metal because some of thecomets you got indicated that they went a
little too metal at times, whichis why they split up. Yeah,

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similar to Malfunction, Green River,and you could also say Melvin's. The
thing that was so great at thesebands too is they were not one dimensional.
They were influenced by metal, punk, garage, rock, or the
sixties, a wide, wide varietyof stuff. I even hear a little
bit of soul music and also ofsome of these bands, especially with like

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the vocals. Chris Cornell to me, I always thought was a very soulful
singer. I don't know, maybelike the average listener could hear that,
but I could definitely hear that.And also, of course later Lane Staley
I thought, was also very soulfulin his vocals. But getting back to
bands like Green River, they werethey were a merger you could say,
of punk and also metal. Youhad Stone Goss and also Jeff Amant,

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which we all know from the bandPearl Jam. They were leaning more towards
maybe the metal side, but thatsaid, I know they also had punk
roots and hardcore roots, so it'snot as clear cut. And then you
had Mark arm who was the singerwho later went on to be the lead
singer of the band mud Honey,and he was definitely more of the punk,
rode rock faction of that that band. He also had Steve Turner briefly

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in that band for like I thinkone album, and he later went on
to be in the band mud Honeywith Mark, and the all said Bruce
Fairweather replaced him would later turn upin Mother Lovebone with Stone and also Jeff.
So it's it's a little bit incestuous, like a lot of these bands
are kind of interwoven with each othera bit. You could say, Yeah,
you can connect the dots between alot of these bands, Yes,

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they'll end up in other bands orform Yeah, like Pearl Jam is basically
yeah, it's Mother love Bone.Who was in Mother love Bone that ended
up in Pearl Jam, Mother loveBone, it's only two. Two guys
that were in Pearl Jam for Motherlove Bone were Jeffer Meant, the bassist,
and also Stone Gossips and guitarist BruceFairweather. He wasn't invited into Pearl
Jams. He wasn't in Pearl Jam, but he was in a few smaller

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type bands. I know, GregGilmour was the drummer. He also played
in some other bands that were neveras popular as Paul Jim. But he
I believe, got a songwriting crediton a Sound Garden album, the song
Never the Machine Forever, because he'sfriends or was I don't know if he's
still his friends, but with KimThile, the guitarist from Sound Garden,
and they I think we're jamming oneday and they came up with the riff

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that later became Never the Machine,or maybe it was the drum pattern or
the guitar if. I forget what, but I know he got some kind
of credit for that song called NeverNever the Machine Forever from down on the
Upside. Here's one that blew mymind because I had Steve Turner on and
he mentioned Dan Peters, the drummerwas in Nirvana for like yes, like

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I don't know a summer, youknow, it wasn't even long. Yeah,
they're actually I feel like he wasin He was the drummer briefly.
And then also Dale Crover from theMelvins was also briefly a drummer also just
before Dave Grohl joined. Just there'sa picture online of of Dan Peters there
with you know, with Kurt andChris, and uh, yeah, that's

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that's so cool. And I've seeeverybody's heard of sound Garden and they've been
around for a while. They formedin late eighty four, early eighty five.
That's interesting. Megan Jasper of subPop told you quote the first time
I saw a Soundgarden, they gaveme a migraine headache, so I knew
it was good stuff. I thinkone of the highlights of the book has

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to be this chapter. It offerssome insight into the band's very early days.
Can you talk about some of thestandout comments you include in the book
regarding sound Garden Chris Cornell was ondrums early on. Actually what he did
back and forth vocals drums, Ithink like half the set split. Yes,
it was people maybe to like theaverage person doesn't know that Soundgarden originally

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was a trio. Was Kim Thileon guitar, hero Yamamoto on bass,
and then Chris not only sang,he also played drums. So it was
like a Phil Collins type Yeah,and like an artsy band is what the
guy said exactly. And I forgetwho in the band likened early Soundgarden to
sounding kind of like Bouhouse. Theywere more bouhousy or like joy Division ish.

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They were a little more gothy atthe time. If you listen to
on the Screaming Life album, there'sa song called Entering. If you listen
to that, the beginning of thesong actually sounds just like bella Little Goosie's
Dead if you listen to both thosesongs side by side. So yeah,
sound Soundgarden early on was definitely moreof like a goth punk type band.

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But then similar to the other bandsthat are just mentioning, there was definitely
a metal element to what they weredoing, like Sabbathy type stuff and then
also when Black Flags started slowing downtheir punk to kind of a slower crawl,
that was also a big influence onwhat later became Soundgarden. Soundgarden was
a very very important band. Andas far as this book, you know,

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I think there may be more aboutearly sound Garden in this book than
in Grunge Is Dead. So ifyou're a fan of the early sound Garden,
which there's not that much information on, this book definitely has pretty cool
info in it, which to meis kind of a fascinating error of the
band because that's when there they werethe first Seattle band to get signed to
a major from that from that groupof bands to get signed to a major

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label. Because I was going tosay the first Seattle band get signed to
a major label, but that's nottrue because Hart was from Seattle, ye
Jimi Hendricks was from Seattle too,so they weren't the first, but they
were the first grunge band, andthen Marther love Bone would have been the
second band to get signed to amajor label now Nirvana. Here's another one
that's interesting that I got from thisbook. Kurt Cobain's supposed first ever public

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performance, Brown Cow. When wasthis and what did Kurt do at this
performance? It was supposedly like aspoken word type thing where it was it
was kind of improv and him justreading I think over music is all it
was. And yeah, I don'tthink there's any audio. And what's funny
is Nirvana is like one of themost bootlegged bands. If you go on

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YouTube, there's like countless bootleg showsand stuff. But to the best of
my knowledge, I mean, Ihaven't dug that deep, but I never
heard of anyone have any having anyBrown Cow boot legs. So that's I'm
wondering if anything really exists. Infact, one thing I'm always on the
hunt for. I always keeping myeye out for Mother love Bone. Shortly

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before Andrew Wood died, Stone Gossardhad written the music to the song even
Flow. It was called something Elseand he was called Dollar Short was the
name, and Stone Gossard has saidthat he knows they that Mother love Bone
played that live once or twice.And Andrew Wood had totally different lyrics and
totally different vocal melody. And healways wants he's always asking, wellout,

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always asking if I know he's putit out there that if anyone ever has
that he would love to hear itbecause that's you know, I guess that's
just been lost over the sands oftime kind of thing. And I would
love to hear that as well.That would be a great historic footnote type
thing to hear. Oh absolutely,Yeah. Yeah. You talked to Kurt's
girlfriend Tracy Miranda and she talks aboutseeing Nirvana play their first show A seven.

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Yep. She actually people don't realizethat she is the photographer that took
the picture that is on the coverof Nirvana Bleach. Okay, that is
that is her photo. Yeah,and she was a great interview. She
told some really good stories again aboutthe early days of Nirvana, what it
was like seeing them, what alsoit was like living with Kurt. She
tells a good story about they hadthese pet I think it was I think

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it was rats. Pet it wasI was gonna say ratic. I'm pretty
sure it was pet rats that theykept in a big cage that was multi
leveled or something like that, andit seemed like they were very big pet
lovers. Yeah, what I couldgather. Yeah, how about Nirvana playing
to like what two three people?Jonathan Pontoman of sub pop Yeah talks about
that it was just him the bartender, and I think that was I think

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that was probably people. I meanthat that was the thing too that paints
the picture of Nirvana when they firststarted weren't really that good, but then
they just they got so good sofast, right. I know. Mark
arm from Mud Honey is honest.In the book he says the first time
he saw it, I think itwas quote is honestly, they really weren't

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good when he first saw them.There's very noisy and very loud. But
yeah, they got very good,very very fast. Something happened to something
clicked. Great Eddie Vetter quote.Just to hear him talk about seeing Nirvana
at a club is cool. Seeingthem play smells like teen Spirit too.
There are definitely some great quotes fromEddie Vetter that we're not in the first

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book. Yeah, he talks abouta really good quote he says, is
you know, when he was younger, he would read about things like being
at them, what it must havebeen like to see Jimmy Hendricks at Monterey
Pop or see the who It Woodstock, or like to be at a place
when something is happening, or forinstance, to be in San Francisco in
nineteen sixty seven and to actually experiencelike what's going on and to be in

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the middle of everything. And hesays, and meanwhile, one day he
realizes that he is actually in themiddle of what's going on. Now,
how Seattle was such a concentrate therewas such a concentrated focus in ninety two,
ninety three, ninety four, thatthat was definitely the hot spot of
like all of the world pretty muchwhen it came to pop culture and music
and fashion and everything. I know. I once interviewed Charlie Benyonte, the

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drummer from the band Anthrax. Thisquote wasn't in this book. It was
in one of my other books.I think it was the book called Survival
of the Fittest Heavy Metal in thenineteen nineties, and he said, it
was so weird that Anthrax would tourtthat time. And it used to be
that you would go to far awaycountries and for instance, fans in England

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would be dressed differently than say,the fans in Portland, and the fans
in New York would be different dresseddefinitely than the fans in Paris. And
he says, in that time period, it was just all Seattle. It
was no matter where you went inthe world, whether it be like I
said, Paris, England, NewYork, at Portland, LA wherever,
it was all flannels Doc Martin's itwas all and and I'm thinking back to

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it, and you know, absolutelyI'm thinking how people were dressing, like
like back when I was back inthe early nineties, like I was even
wearing Doc Martins. And I speakto my wife now and she even was
wearing Doc Martins. I was definitelyaffected by it. You know, I
worked at the mall in those days, and every other store, clothing store
had flannel. Yeah, but butyou know it's funny, but then there's

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people like you know, I honestlywas wearing flannel before even grunge, so
you know, and I still wereflannel to today. So you know,
certain things it just happened to be. You know, you were flannel when
it's you know, very cold outside. You know it's not. But for
instance, Doc Martins, I definitelyhave to thank Chris Cornell for turning me
went to Doc Martens. Yeah.Staying on the topic of Nirvana in Soundgarden

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actually because Kim Thyle of Soundgarden talksabout the comments that he gave you about
when they heard of Kurt's death,and Thyle talks about people who normally punch
holes into walls are sobbing, youknow, like some tough people and they're
sobbing. I mean, is therea comment that really stands out to you
regarding Kurt's death and the reaction thatpeople had. Because you did talk to

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the DJ from k XRX, right, Scott Sanderpool, he gave you a
detailed account when the news hit.I thought that was interesting. But anything
that stands out to you from whatyou got from the book, yeah,
I mean, just the thing that'sso weird is you know nowadays we think
about oh, with news, youget it like within a few seconds.
But like whereas what happened with Soundgardenwas playing a show in France. I

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leave Paris and they had a tadopening up and Kurt Danielson, the bassist,
somehow got a message or I thinka member of the Screaming Trees,
because I think Kurt may have beenmarried to I think a sister of one
of the Screaming Trees members. I'mnot one hundred percent short with that,
but they had some kind of connectionand he got a message saying yeah,

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hey, just to give you aheads up. Something is going down here.
We don't know exactly what, butyou know, I'll be in contact.
And then it led to Kurt hasbeen missing. Then it came to
there's been a body discovered in Kurt'shouse. We don't know if it was
him or someone else, and theneventually it was yeah, it's been confirmed
that it was Kurt Cobain who died. And then I believe it was the

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Tad guys who then waited for Sandguardto come off stage and they had running
a room. They closed the doorand they told them what happened, and
I know that some of the guysyeah, started to cry. And then
I remember in the first book Idid Colt Grunge is dead. Susan Silver,
who was Chris Cornell's then wife andwas also Sandguard manager. She said,

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eventually they got kind of belligerent andviolence started destroying the room, and
our instructions to the tour manager wouldjust to let them go, let them
get it out, because that wasreally all that they could do because they
were so far away from home atthat point, there was nothing they could
really do to more or anything.At that point, you remember in our
band Blind Melon. Shannon Hun inthe documentary he was filming everything. You

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had the handheld camera. Do youremember in that documentary when the day of
Kurt's the news of Kurt's death arrivesand Shannon Hun is just like he's in
a just a state of shock,like he's Ye, that was that was
the day they were, they werethey were appearing and actually David Letterman and
they did the song change and ShannonHun with the magic marker drew a question

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mark on his forehead. Yeah,and yeah, that's in the book.
I of course did the earlier bookabout Shannon Hun called a Devil on one
Shoulder and an Angel on the other. That was the first one, and
then I did a second book aboutShannon simply titled Shannon, which came at
about a couple of years ago.I remember where I was. Do you
remember where you were the day youheard Kurt died? Yes, I do.
I remember. I was in mycousin's house and a friend came in.

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He said, oh, did youhear about Kurt Cobain? And we
all thought he was lying. Hesaid, no, I'm not, I'm
not lying. Turn turn on,turn on MTV and we all went downstairs
in the basement and I remember KurtLoder was talking about it and they stopped
playing videos. We just Kurt Lodertalking, you know about the thing.
The other thing is I have tobe honest. I mean he was you

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know, he was live, sohe was trying to do the best he
could he could do. But rememberone thing that he said, which like
I always was like, well,I don't know if I totally agree with
that. He's like, you know, Kurt Kobain died and that's you know,
picture Pete Townsend dying before he wroteTommy or like he was making it
seemed like that Kurt Kobain hadn't reachedhis artistic peak yet. Ye remember that,

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and it's like, okay, youknow, it's that's always possible.
But then you think about, likehow many bands have you have? You
have we heard over the years thatthey peak and you're looking forward to the
next album, and it just sucks. I'm not saying that that would have
happened with Nirvana, but you can'treally throw out comments like that. You
can't say, oh, you know, their next album would have been there
or a ten million seller. Youcan't. You don't know what's going on

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with artists, you know, mentally, or how the band is getting along.
I know, for instance, Nirvanawas on the edge of splitting up
at that point. So even ifKurt survived, there's a lot of people
who have said that Kurt we've justwent off solo or he was looking to
replace Dave Grohl, and like,there was all these crazy things I actually
talked about in this book and alsothe first book, Grunge Is Dead.

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That was one thing that I rememberwhen Kurt Loders said that. I just
remember thinking, I don't know ifI really agree with that. Yeah,
it's funny because I remember watching theMTV when they broke the news. I
was at I was home from collegein New Haven, came home and there
it was, and I don't youknow, I remember just a surprise,
but then not surprised because you allthe stories about his drug habit and all

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this talk about him being suicidal andall that stuff. So that that yeah,
it was just yeah, I meanthe thing, yeah, the thing
that people talk about in this bookcalled I Love Grunge, and also the
first book, which is called GrungeIs Dead. People I for instance,
Mark arm is very honest, andhe says, you know, the record
companies, the management, all thesepeople. He felt that they were not

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looking after Kurt's best interest. Itwas all about just making money. Mud
Honey tour with Nirvana in the fallof nineteen ninety three, and they said
it was an awful, awful experiencebecause the people that they surrounded themselves with
weren't, like I said, lookingout for their best interests. It was
all just about making money. Howcan we get this tour to keep going

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on, how can we get asmany shows and all this other stuff.
Then they then Mud Honey a fewmonths later toured with Pearl Jam, and
mud Honey said they were absolutely stunnedhow it was the complete opposite. How
Pearl Jim was run so much better. It was such a better environment.
Everyone got along, everyone looked atfor each other, the management and the
band. Everyone had everyone in theirown best interest or was looking out for

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their best interest. So it's justfunny how the press made it seem like,
you know, Nirvana is this moreorganic, punk rock, true to
their roots type thing, whereas Pearlwas this fabricated professional thing. But then
Matni says that it was absolutely theopposite. I remember Steve Turner said here

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that people that were working for PearlJam then are still working for them now.
It was that strong of a ofa family unit there. Yeah.
Chapter seven covers one of those standoutwhat could have been bands, And you
were mentioning Mother love Bone before AndyWood was the singer, Stone Gossard on
guitar, Jeff Amant on bass,and then you mentioned Bruce Fairweather also he

(25:32):
was on guitar, And you're rightquote many figured Mother Love Bone was going
to be the band to introduce grungeto the masses before tragedy sadly intervened.
What did people have to say aboutwhy they felt that this band was going
to be huge and what was itthat this band and Andy Wood had that
stood out from the rest. What'sfunny is I remember RIP Magazine at the

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time I first read about Mother LoveBone. It was actually after Andrew would
die, so it would have beenin the summer or fall of nineteen ninety
and Ritt Magazine was just totally goingoff on this band, saying there were
it was such a tragedy because thisband was the greatest band or could have
been such a great band. Andas I probably discussed in one of my

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previous appearances my favorite all time rockband is Queen, and they compared what
they were doing to Queen, andthey said that also Andrew would reference Freddie
Mercury and some of the lyrics andthings like that. So that totally caught
my interests and I ran out andbought the record, bought the CD.
I remember when I was a collegeand It's funny is at first it didn't
hit me. I just, youknow, I was just so fed up

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with horrible hair metal and glad metalat that point that I couldn't see that
it was different from from a lotof the glad metal at the time,
So I just kind of passed itoff. But then later when I got
really into Pearl Jam, I wentback and heard it with like a different
set of years, and then Icould totally hear it for what it was,
and what it was was they lookedkind of glammy, but Andrew Would

(27:00):
was a larger than life character,and he was drawing more from the seventies
type glam, not you know,like Poison or Warrant or any of those
garbagee bands. He was pulling morefrom early Queen, early seventies t Rex
Bowie. In fact, you couldreally say that the most obvious thing is
he was doing piano things, whichnone of the hair metal bands or glam

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metal bands the eighties were doing.Like I said earlier, it was to
me, to my ears, theywere just doing fourth grade Van Halen ripoff
type stuff. Is like all theywere pretty much doing. Whereas Andrew Wood
was trying to write epics on thepiano, and he was pulling in like
Zeppelin type things. But it wasn'tlike a bad Zeppelin ripoff, because you
think back to the late eighties thatthey had had all those horrible Zeppelin ripoff

(27:45):
bands. But hearing them now,I definitely hear what they were doing with
something interesting and different, and thatwould have been I would have been curious
to hear what they would have goneon to do. But again then we
wouldn't have Pearl Jams. So Iguess everything happens for a reason. The
book Done Rock Podcast. We'll beback after this. Greg Crato here to
talk about his brand new book,I Love Grunge. Grunge is Dead Outtakes

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and Andy Wood died in March ofnineteen ninety heroin overdose. You spoke to
a Seattle journalist Don Anderson, andshe said Andy had gotten clean, but
then when he went back to doingdrugs, he went back just as hard
as before, rather than building itup. And a lot of times that
happens. So when you go backthat strong, it's too much for your

(28:30):
body to handle, you know.But here's the what if question for you.
I mean, if Andy Wood doesn'tdie, how different would we be
looking back on the nineties. Youjust mentioned no Pearl Jam. That's true,
we wouldn't have Pearl Jam. Martherlove Bone could have I think appealed
to like the hair metal glad metalband like fans of those bands. So

(28:52):
in fact, I remember there's videofootage of Andrew Wood from like eighty nine
ninety where he's talking about like,you know, give us any tour gives
it or like with warrant, We'llopen up for warrant because he's saying that,
you know, warrant you could justlike when you're on those types of
tours, you could just say anythingto a to an arena full of people
and they'll just like cheer back,kind of like you know, blindly.

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So it would have been interesting tosee if Martha love Bone could have toured
with some of those bands if theywould have been able to fit in,
and maybe you know, who knows, maybe they would have been more of
a bridge from the glad metal ofthe eighties to the grunge of two you
know, because that's the word.Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it
could Because if I'm sure you'll rememberhow it was just like one day MTV

(29:37):
was playing Poison, the next daywas over and they were playing Nirvana.
Yes, it was just boom,yeah, bridge the gap that might have
been that might have be the case. Yeah. And and what would the
nineties be like without laying Staley,right, I mean if he didn't live
as long as he did, becausehe could have been gone soon too.
I mean he although he got intothe I think he got into the heroine

(30:03):
kind of late in the game.I think it was more towards like the
mid nineties. I think if Irecall correctly that, yeah, I think
he started getting into it. Yeah, And I went into view Jerry Cantrell,
he that talks about it in thisbook or the previous Scrunch book that
they dabbled a bit. But itwasn't until European Tour in nineteen ninety or
ninety one that they all tried heroinfor the first time, and yeah,
that was the big You know.It's like said, how some people can

(30:26):
experiment and it's nothing. Then there'ssome people that just try it once and
they're just hooked and they can neverget off it. And sadly that's what
happened with Lane Staley. He justcould never get off heroin. Whether if
it's just him, if it waslike a mental thing, or it's just
if it's a physical thing. Youknow, you could say addiction is almost

(30:47):
impossible to figure out because each personis built so different. What a voice,
What a freaking voice, man,Lane Staley. And he made it
to two thousand and two. Imean he didn't he lived into the two
thousands. He did. Yeah,he was virtually a hermit from say the
late nineties through his death. Hewould just pretty much stay in his apartment,
his condo, and wouldn't I don'tthink he'd really come out, especially

(31:10):
the last few years, would veryrarely ever come out. And I know
Susan Silver said that he physically hisappearance changed so much that you wouldn't have
even recognized him. That he lookedvery old yea. Towards the ends,
you spoke to his mother, NancyLane McCallum. I did. I interviewed
her at length of the first book. I only used one quote in this

(31:33):
book, the middle name change.You quoted her on him changing his middle
Yeah, that was because I rememberthat quote for the first book. I
wanted to include it really badly,and then I didn't include it for some
reason. And that's one quote I'veI always regretted not including, so this
time I had to include just toget it out there, which is maybe
I don't give it away that whyLane changed his middle name, right,

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Yeah, I mean there's a connectionthere. I guess you'd be surprised to
find out. But how did youHow did you get a hold of her?
Honestly, I forget because it wasso long, Like the interview with
Heart took place in like two thousandand seven ish. It's been so long
I really don't remember. But whatwas she like? She? Oh,
she's very sweet, very nice.Yeah, yeah, very very very nice

(32:20):
woman. Of course, you feelyou feel so bad for what she's had
to have gone through. When youyou know, when you're a mother who
loses her son, that's what thebook humanizes these guys because they're like rock
gods, and you realize they hada mom and dad. They get parents
that that was her little boy,you know, and then he goes on
to become a huge rock star andyou know the tragedy of it all.

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Yeah, that's you spoke too,you spoke to Shannon Mom. I did,
Yeah, I did. Yeah.I mean there's a misconception that I
often read or kind of I kindof I kind of kind of feel from
people that if you become famous,enriched and that solves all your problems,
and that's not true. I mean, I know Gene Simmons, I think,

(33:07):
has said that that obviously worked forhim. But if you say,
if you were addicted to something,you get more money than you may just
put all your money towards your addiction. Or if something horrible happened to you
in the past, just because youget money, that doesn't fix you.
It could only make it worse.So, you know, just you know,

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people all have the same problems andjust becoming you think of this way
too. If you have social anxiety, if you're suddenly very famous and you
have stalkers and people always following youaround, it's only going to make it's
only going to make that worse foryou. So absolutely, yes, person
is different. Let's go back toPearl Jam Eddie Vetter talking about seeing mud

(33:49):
Honey. This is when he wasin a band called Bad Radio and this
is actually the very first quote tostart off chapter ten. By the way,
is that a coincidence? Ten?Yeah, you know what, I
didn't think of that. Actually,thanks for pointing that out. That just
that's I think that's how it turnedout. Pearl Jam ten. Yeah.
He goes into detail about his histrack from San Diego to See All and

(34:10):
how it all leads to the formationof Pearl Jam. And that follows with
comments from guys like Alison Chain's guitaristJerry Cantrell, who remembers when they brought
Eddie into the band and they formedMookie Blaylock later to later to become Pearl
Jam. What was the overall impressionthat musicians from that scene thought of Pearl
Jam and Eddie when they first sawthem perform. Someone that used to work

(34:35):
for Kelly Curtis's management company, andthat's who is Pearl James manager to his
day, I'm pretty sure. Andat the time they hooked up with Eddie
and they played one of the firstcouple of shows, and Eddie Vetter was
not His back was turned to theaudience. It was not the Eddie Vetter
that we all know, or eventhe Eddie Vetter that you'd see in the
even Flow video where he's climbing inthe rafters and diving the audience and everything

(34:59):
like that. He was still alittle shy or still kind of feeling his
way. And funny enough, theperson that worked for Kelly at that point
said, there was actually some internaltalk about is Eddie Vetter the right singer
for this band. They were thinking, I don't know, should we give
how much of a chance are wegiving him before we have to look at,
you know, somewhere else. Ifhe kept turning his back to the

(35:22):
audience, who knows, maybe hewouldn't even lasted long enough to make an
album with Pearl Jam. But luckilyhe did turn around, and we got
Pearl Jam with Eddie Vetter. Yeah, and they're doing okay, They're still
around. They are struggling right,yes. Chapter twelve insight into how the
residents and bands of Seattle coped withall of the unexpected attention that the region
got in the nineties. It seemedlike a mixed reaction, like some thought

(35:45):
it was really cool and they're proudof the fact that Seattle was getting recognition.
But then there were those who wereso put off by it that they
literally moved out of Seattle. Standout comments from that chapter for you,
Why no, Jeff Emant fled,he said as soon as What's funny is
he left. He was from Montana. Originally he left Montana because he couldn't.
He just didn't like there was notenough. I guess he was like

(36:07):
the only fan that, like,the only person that like punk rock or
one of the few people. Sohe moved to the Seattle area to get
around more art people, like artsypeople and more like like minded people.
And then once that happened, hesaid, he just fled right back to
Montana because he couldn't take it anymorewith just the being such a focus at
that point commercialized commercial, yeah,or not like so much. He tells

(36:31):
a story I think it was inthe first book Grungees Deady talks about that
Pearl Jim was on tours so muchhe couldn't really get a feel for how
much Pearl Jim had blown up becauseof like MTV playing their videos and everything.
And he once had a break fromtour and he was in Seattle and
just went to like his neighborhood cafejust to get coffee and sit down and
read a paper, and he said, suddenly everything had changed, like everyone

(36:54):
was just staring at him. Andyou know, he said, suddenly when
they were on tour that point wentback on tour, the band couldn't go
from just the backstage door to theactual tour bus. It was impossible that,
you know, just with so manypeople waiting and trying to get their
autographs and stuff. That was likethat quick, and that must have been

(37:14):
crazy that that has to screw withyour head. But but you really have
to give Pearl Jam credit because they'rethe only band that really was able to
weather the storm and came out ofit. You know, they didn't go.
You know, you look at peoplelike Chris Cornell, Layne Staley,
Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hune we talkedabout earlier, Scott Wiland. You could
say fame definitely had a bad.Fame had a detrimental effect on all of

(37:37):
them. With MTV, everybody yourecognize, every single member of the band.
Yeah, you know, you couldbe maybe back in the day,
you could be a you know,the bassist or a keyboardist for a band,
and you could kind of walk inand out of a room and nobody
would know. Back in the daysof say Super Tramp, you could go
into a store and people and knowwho the hell you were. Yeah,
hey, hello, I'm the keyboardistfor Super Tramp. Yeah, that was

(38:00):
the thing. I kissed the guysand kiss used to tell FRALEI used to
get actually a little a little pissedoff because when he would show up,
where did you show up at aconcert? Once? And and he's like,
I'm Ace Fraley. You know I'vekissed right? Yeah? Right?
Fuck off? Remember, because becausethey never saw him without makeup, right,
And I also remember I once reada pretty good interview with Brian Johnson

(38:21):
from the band ac DC. Hesaid he once without an ac DC show
and he left and tried to getback in, and they stopped him because
they didn't recognize him, and becauseI guess it was when he was still
new in the band, right,So he eventually did get back in,
but he said from that point on, when whenever he was backstage or like
leaving. He would always try towear something a little flashy, like a

(38:42):
scar for something, just to maybeset him apart from just, you know,
the regular concert goers. It lookedlike a rock star. Right.
Chapter thirteen tells odds and ends,and you read a variety of grunge related
topics for your reading pleasure, Youinclude comments regarding the word grunge? Where
did it come from? So let'sget into this. Was the former assistant

(39:04):
for Pearl Jam manager Kelly Curtis.I think it's is it? Crisia Christia
Chrisha Agarat, Yes, And shehad a quote she said, grunge to
me, I always thought was acombination of garage and dirge. That was
what it meant to me, kindof a stooge zy garage thing. But
the quotes that you include indicate thatthey're really not sure where this comes from.

(39:25):
Didn't you start with Mark arm mudHoney is like back in eighty one
he called his band mister Epp andthe calculations pure grunge right. Well,
supposedly, I believe people have saidthe first time that they've seen that they
saw the word grunge being used mayhave been in Cream magazine in the early
eight excuse me, early seventies.It may have been Lester Bangs, but
I'm not one hundred percent sure.I'm pretty sure that was something to do

(39:50):
with cream or some kind of magazineI think used the word grunge. And
then and then from there you don'tit's it's hard to put your finger on
it. Somewhere along the way itwas yeah, I mean, I do
kind of like the description that's amixture of garage and also dirge. That
does sound kind of yeah. Butthen I remember, like I remember reading
quotes from Ben Shephard the Bassis fromSoundgardens saying that they ripped off everything from

(40:15):
the band Black Sabbath. I rememberthat was his famous quote. He would
say as like a joke, whichif you listen to early Black Sabbath,
it does sound a bit like SoundGarden. And then on top of it,
Charlie Benyonte, who I just mentionedbefore, the drummer of Anthrax,
has said that Chris Cornell always remindedhim of Ronnie James Dio and also David
Carverdale from back when he was singingwith Purple Deep Purple. If you listen

(40:38):
to what Ronnie James Dio is doingon the Heaven and Hell album. There
definitely are some Chris Cornell screams andstuff, so it's hard to pinpoint it.
You know. Yeah, there's theSabbath influence. I definitely here,
definitely hear it Sabbath. And there'salso certain Black Flag albums where they start
slowing down. There's an album calledMy War. I think it was the

(41:00):
second side of that album where theysuddenly slowed it down, so it was
like it was pretty much it's likeSound Garden. It's sounded like I think
there's somebody throwing Aerosmith as an influencethat like the early early you know,
it's it's it's a gritty streets.Yeah, it's funny. Aerosmith influenced so
many different I mean, Guns andRoses listed to them as an influence,

(41:21):
their vinylists them lists them as aninfluence. There's so many different you know,
wide sound Gardening always listed them asan influence, you know, and
then of course all the eighties hairmetal bands like Cinderella loved Aerosmith. So
yes, it's funny how how manypeople that they've influenced. In fact,
I know even for a fact thata lot of like the Thrashman. I

(41:42):
know that James Hetfield was a bigAerosmith, Aerosmith fan, and also I
didn't know that, Yeah, CliffBurton was a big Aerosmith fan. Yeah.
And then some previously unpublished interviews inthe book. Who can listeners look
forward to hearing from in this chapter? And what are some highlights? Yeah?
Well what it was? Yeah,there's a chapter. It's just it's
just simply title twenty seventeen interviews.What happened was in twenty seventeen, I

(42:04):
tried getting back in contact with thepublisher of Grunge Is Dead to see if
they wanted to do a expanded edition, because you know, this book has
been a steady seller and it's stillpopular. And that was sadly right after
Chris Cornell died. So I figured, you know, this book has been
out for so long, it's youknow, been reissued a few times.
Why don't we do a updated ora new expanded version. Maybe we could
change the cover, we can addsome new interviews. So I just happened

(42:29):
to around that time interview Jeff AmantPearl jam Ched Channing, who was the
drummer of Nirvana Bleach and also Robertde Leo the basis of Stone Table Pilots,
which interestingly, I did not interviewany of the Stone Table Pilot members
for the first Grunge book, butI figured, you know, it would
be good to hear what he hadto say, because I remember at the

(42:50):
time they kept lumping Stone Table Pilotsin with all of the grunge bands at
the time, so it'd be curiousto hear what he had to say.
So make a long story short,I did not get the hey from the
publisher, so those three interviews justsat on my hard drive again all these
years, and then when I startedputting this book together, I thought,
oh wait, now was the opportunityto pull out those quotes and put them
in here. So that's what Idid. And it was, like I

(43:14):
said, it was right after whenyou know, Chris passed away. So
Jeff Amnt was kind enough to talkabout what was going He was still processing
Chris dying because that was when hehad just worked with Chris in the Temple
of the Dog Reunion, which wastwenty sixteen, I believe, late twenty
sixteen, so you know, hewas definitely trying to process that, and
that was also shortly after when ScottWiland died, so it was interesting to

(43:37):
hear what Robert had to say fromStunt Tumble Pilots about, you know,
Scott passing away as well. Andthat was right after Nirvana was inducted into
the Rock and Hall of Fame,which Chad Channing attended, so it was
good to also hear what Chad hadto say some of his memories of crossing
paths with Dave Rawl that night andeverything like that was pretty cool to hear.

(43:59):
Have you Stone type of Pilots nowwith the news singer Jeff I've just
seen videos, but he is verysimilar to Scott, isn't he? Holy
shit? Yeah, I was listeningto a podcast and they were they have
it on video two and they wereplaying clips and I mean it, but
not in a good way. Imean it's like if you if you're a

(44:21):
Stone type of Pilots fan and youwant to see the band like it was,
then yeah, then you'll be happybecause it's not. He's not he's
not trying to be his own guy. I mean he even moves like him
and sing. I was gonna sayit wasn't that his name? Gutt?
Yes? Yeah, yeah, becauserecently I was like, oh, you
know, I'm curious to hear whatthey sound like with the news singer.

(44:42):
And I watched it, and yeah, I was impressed that it sounds just
like they used to. But it'sand I'm not saying it's to be a
jark, it's just honestly, ifyou don't agree with me, you could
watch it for yourself. The prettymuch have like a Stone Tumble Pilots tribute
band singer, right wild is whatit is. I mean, he looks
like it, moves like them,sound just like them. You know.
That's interesting because yeah, you couldgo one way or the other when you

(45:05):
have to replace a singer in aband you want do you want to have
do you want to have that singerbe entirely different and go go a different
route, or is it not wortha risk and just let's have somebody in
there, like a cover, likea tribute band type singer. Yeah,
maybe it depends on when it happens, because like when a CDC gets Brian

(45:29):
Johnson, they were at that theywere not at that point where they're playing
on their legacy. They still hadsomething to prove. Van Hallen with Sammy,
you know, it's different for someonetell yeah, for some type of
pilots. Now, I think totry to go in a different direction really
wouldn't be beneficial for them to selltickets. I guess, I don't know.
It's it's a tough call. Thebook done, Rock Podcasts. We'll

(45:52):
be back after this. Let's wrapup last chapter, chapter fifteen, and
it is quotes from elsewhere. Sowhat's in this chapter and what are your
personal favorite quotes? Because I haven't. Yeah, So what it is is
besides writing books, I also writefor a wide variety of sites and also
publications all right, for song Facts, Brave Words, Vintage Guitar Magazine,

(46:15):
Consequence of Sound, and from yearsback, I used to write for Rolling
Stone and Billboard and Guitar World.So I've pretty much name a publication or
website of the past twenty years,and I'm somehow connected. I mean,
I've prided something for them, orI wrote for an editor that later was

(46:35):
at that site or magazine or whatever. But again, when I was putting
this book together, I realized,you know, over the years, with
all these interviews I've done with allthese people, there's been countless times where
some kind of grunge topic came upwhether being talked about whether we're discussing Kirk.
I was once interviewing Kirk Hammett fromthe Bad Metallica, and he was
telling me how he crossed paths withKurt Cobain back in the day and now

(47:00):
kerk Cobain was a huge Metallica fan, particularly the Rye the Lightning album and
also to Kill Him All album,and he told me a great story about
that, so I included that.And then also I just recently a few
months back into view Jeffer meant again. So Jefferman loved this year Jeffer Men's
feature throughout this book, and Igot to ask him some questions about certain

(47:21):
Pearl Jams songs. He talks atthe creation and what's good, it's not
the most famous Pearl Jams songs,and he gives some really cool insight into
how these songs were constructed and thingslike that, and he also talks he
talks about how he came up withthe muted harmonic and the song even flow
very fascinating and the crank call fromKurt Cobain from Evan Dando from the talks

(47:45):
about being there's I mean there's notmany people that can make that claim that
they were prank called Kurk Cobain,right, and uh yeah. And then
on the other side of that isthat the sad story of the actor in
the Pearl Jam Jeremy video. Youtalked to the director of that video,
Mark Pellington, and also Chris Cornellfrom twenty fifteen. Yes, that was

(48:07):
great, Also Mark Landing and intoI sadly intoed Mark Landing in just a
few months before he passed, Soyeah, I was able to put that
in there. And Gary Lee Connorfrom The Screaming Trees. I included some
of some of his quotes, andyeah, I do think you know.
What I say in this book's introis if you are not familiar with Grunge
Is Dead, I recommend reading thatbook first, then doing then reading this

(48:30):
book. This book is a perfectcompanion because Grunge is Dead is more chronologically
set up, whereas this one isnot strict chronological. We're going like a
chapter will be just about sound Guardand a chapter will be just about Nirvana,
whereas Grunge Is Dead there is yougo chronologically, so you'll get like
in the eighties, some sound Guardand the nineties, some sound guard and

(48:52):
you know it's like all spread outas it's going year by year. Yeah,
no, they must read. Bythe way, I don't think I've
ever asked you, what is yourfirst ever published article? I started,
okay, I mean, were youin high school? Junior high? I
don't know what it was was Iwas. I took a job as a

(49:12):
customer service rep for a music magazinewhich I'm not going to say the name
because I wasn't treated particularly kindly bythem. Okay, but so what it
is is I took a job asa customer service rep with them, and
I saw and I loved music.Music was my favorite thing, and I
saw how easy it was to bea writer from just some of the writers

(49:32):
that were there. So I beggedmy boss at the time to please let
me try writing, and they said, okay. They gave me like one
or two bullshit album reviews, andthen I liked it so much I wanted
I wanted to do that more thanjust being a customer service representative. And
my boss made it very clear thatI was not going to be able to

(49:55):
write for them, so I said, you know what, audios and I
quit. That was right when theInternet was starting to boom and really kind
of take flights, so I wasable to get my foot in the door
with some publications and also magazines.So to answer your question, there was
a local free music paper here onLong Island called The Island Ear, and

(50:19):
I was able to it didn't payanything, but I took it just to
get articles published, and I knowsome of the One of the earliest interviews
I ever did was Rick o'kask fromthe band The Cars. I know that
a cool So that was one ofthe first ones. And then from there
I called called All Music, whichwas kind of just launching their own website.
At that point. They were prettymuch noways just like having a these

(50:42):
big thick books which were just alllike album reviews, And I just called
them and they let me start todo album reviews for them. And if
you look up my name to this, I haven't done album reviews for them
in many years. Do I stilldo interviews for them, But I've done
so many album reviews for them,Like still to this day, I've people
saying, oh, yeah, Icame across this, uh Living Color album

(51:04):
review, You're all over it.I wrote that like back in nineteen ninety
nine. Yes, you're all overthat website. Wow that Yeah, that's
that's cool. Now, one lastquestion. Anybody that you've been wanting to
interview for a long time you justhaven't been able to. You've gotten close
and just hasn't happened. Yeah,Brian May would be great. Yeah,
yeah, just because he's one ofmy favorite guitarists. He would be great

(51:24):
to interview. Did you ever interviewed, ever interviewed any of the Queen guys,
ever interviewed any the Queen guys andthat that would be great to interview.
Also, never interviewed any of themain ac DC guys, never interviewed
Angus or Brian Johnson. The closestI got t ac DC was I've interviewed
Simon Wright, who was the drummerin the eighties. Yeah. In fact,
the first time I ever saw aCDC. No, I take that

(51:46):
back, The only two times eversaw a CDC the Flick of the Switch
Tour and then Who Made Who Tour? He was the drummer, and I
told him that he got a prettybig kick out of that. Yeah,
he's on Flying the Wall too.Yes, Yeah, but I'm just saying
personally, I just and he wasalso on Blow Up Your Video. But
me personally, I just saw thosetwo tours. But and also Joan Jett

(52:06):
would be good to interview. Wow, I'm surprised you haven't had Joan Jett.
Yeah, and also probably James JamesHetfield would be good to interview.
Yeah, I'm sure they're coming,I think. Also Howard Stern would probably
be pretty fun, right, Yeah, it would be a good one.
You get anyone else get to interviewstuttering John? Yeah, I did,

(52:27):
and he had on his show,he did, he did, And also
David Lee Roth. I would probablybe kind of weird though, but I
mean I would absolutely do it.Though, I would do it, but
I don't know. Is he playingwith a full deck now? Yeah,
he's to keep up with he is. But I would absolutely interview him,
and I would absolutely tell him howI'm grateful for his music honestly. Yeah,

(52:50):
I know he's a bit of alarger than life character, but you
have to give him credit. Creditsto the body of rock he created with
Van Halen is pretty much second tonone, and he had such a huge
part of that. Amen to thatman, Diamond Dave, and you know
we're talking grunge. A lot ofthose grunge bands love Van Halen, like
Pearl Jam plays Van Halen tunes.They play and talk about love they play.
Yeah, I love grunge. Grungeis dead Outtakes. It's out now

(53:13):
and it is available wherever books aresold, so you can go to Amazon
all the usual places, right,Yes, and it's available as paperback,
hardcover, kindle, and also audibleaudio so you can hear and it's narrated
by me. Yes, I loveit. I love it, And I
always say that you could always hearmy wonderful oil and accent narrating the whole
book to you. Where can peoplefind you online if they want to reach

(53:37):
out to you? Yeah, well, I would say as far as my
books, and would you believe I'vedone over forty books at this point?
Wow, man, I'm so tiredjust thinking that the best place for people
to find my books Amazon. It'sgoing to Amazon and do a search for
Greg Prats. That's really the bestway. But I'd say go to Twitter
dot com slash Greg Krato writer.The only problem with that is is it

(53:59):
took hold Twitter? Is it calledx at this point? Yeah? What's
up with that? What's I mean, are they phasing it to become X
or I don't know. I'm seeingX there and I know I've heard something
about it. I'm like, ohchrist Yeah. On Twitter dot com spread
pratter writer, I think is probablythe best way to yeah, because on
there, what I do is Ihave a link there is that. It's

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a it's a pinned link that youcan get all my books the Amazon link
and then also if you scroll downyou'll see all my latest articles in interviews
and also want to put out there. I'm also on cameo now. I
saw that. Yeah, So ifanyonets to hire me to do a message
or if anyone, if you knowanyone that bought my books and is a
fan of my books, I willdefinitely do a goofy cameo thing. I

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love it. I saw that.I love it. Yeah, cool man.
So before I let you go theprediction your jets with Aaron Rodgers,
What's I mean their record and howfar will they go? Now it's impossible
to say their record, absolutely possible, I'll say I'm gonna I'm gonna think
positive and say they will make theplayoffs. Okay, if of course all

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goes accring a plan. I mean, of course, I'm trying to think,
well, no, you know what, the question, the real question
should be what at what game doesAaron Rodgers suffer the inevitable season ending injuries?
What? Yes? Yes? Andof course, and of course,
in true Jets fashion, they don'thave a serviceable veteran quarterback to back him
up in case that happens. Right, I know, he goes down,

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the season, goes down the toilet, and that's that's a typical Jet season,
right. I'm banking on Kenny Pickettfor my Steelers. I'm liking him
as the quarterback. I'm liking himas the QB the future. Which if
there are any Jets fans out there, I've done two Jets books. When
it's called Stack Exchange and then theother one I can't down the Top one
hundred Jets Top Debacles. Yeah,that's right. You can go on Amazon

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and look that up. So Ido mostly rock stuff. I've done a
few sports h you have you haveall right, Greig? Thanks thanks man.
As always, this is awesome andwe'll look forward to having you back
on again soon. Thank you,Eric, byebye. That's it. It's

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in the books.