December 26, 2025 • 4 mins
Author Kathy McCabe discusses the fascinating dynamic between Mick Jagger and Keith Richards in this episode highlight.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's a highlight from a recent episode of Booked on Rock.
Our guest is Kathy McCabe, author of the new book
Rock Gods, Icons of Rock Music. I mentioned up top
that there are five duos covered in the book. The
first of the five would be Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.
Now this is interesting. Had you thought about picking one
over the other and what led to deciding to go
(00:20):
with a partnership scenario, specifically here with Jagger Richards.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Because that partnership is the Rolling Stones. I mean, if
they'd not met on that train station, you know, having
gone to primary school, Lost Tuch, there were neighbors lost
Tich mixed heading to the London School of Economics, Keith
is heading to Art school, and they just happened to
(00:47):
meet on this train station at that that minute, you know,
and Keith's holding the records under his arm, which you
know got I was always it me Sorry, now complain
the confusing I think.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It had the Blues records.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, it was Meek had the Blues records, and Keith
was was fascinated by the fact that he had these
these particular records. The other thing that really made me
want to keep them together as a partnership is because
it's one of the most fascinating dynamics in terms of
(01:23):
a partnership in contemporary rock history. I mean, they're such
different people, and we've come to see caricatures of their character,
you know, sort of evolve over the decades. It was,
you know, Mick was the serious businessman. He bristles about
(01:44):
that kind of simplistic caricature of him. Keith was, you know,
the rock and roll outlaw. He descended far more into
two addiction than Meg ever did, and battled you know,
heroin for years is you know, got arrested all over
the place on several occasions, and finally you know, got
(02:07):
his act together. But the fractiousness of their partnership, the
fact that you know, once Mix started going solo and
Keith found that such to be such an affront, even
though we gave him free reign to be in charge
of the Rolling Stones for the first time, is kind
of you know, the leader. Because Mick was off doing theirs,
(02:31):
he felt it was a real betrayal of the band.
He was furious about it. So that kind of dynamic
of how they fight like brothers. But also, you know,
particularly now, I think even though we've just heard, you know,
they've kind of put their twenty twenty six plans on hold.
And hope, like hell that that's just because they're tired
(02:54):
and not for any other reason. But the fact that
they've sort of come full circle now to kind of
recognizing how important that brotherly bond was, it's kind of
beautiful to me. Even though I love all the one liners.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
There have been many. Yeah, I saw the I saw
the story that you you just mentioned Keith Richards. I
guess he's the one who's saying I can't go out
on a full tour anymore. I don't think. Wow, Keith
is finally he's showing a moment that he's actually human.
There's a point. Yeah, it's been you know, it's been
(03:38):
an amazing run of album tours, you know, massive tours,
and you wonder how he's been able to do it.
But yeah, I'm with you. I hope everything is Hopefully
it's just just as simple as that, and they just
got to slow down the touring schedule.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We'll see, yeah, which is a bummer for us because
I was pretty hopeful that Australia was going to be
back on the Root for next year.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But I thought Hackney Diamonds was great.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Surprised, such a brilliant album, and I think it was brilliant,
and I think everybody fell madly in love with that
record because it distilled the essence of what the Stones
have always been like, the actual you know, combination of
sounds and their influences, and you could hear them in
(04:33):
the studio on that record. You can hear them being
loose and tight and kind of you know, beating the
pieces of the puzzle together in each of those songs. Really,
for that reason, you know, people just were like, yes,
you know, this is To be making that kind of
music in the twenty twenties is astonishing
Here's a highlight from a recent episode of Booked on Rock.
Our guest is Kathy McCabe, author of the new book
Rock Gods, Icons of Rock Music. I mentioned up top
that there are five duos covered in the book. The
first of the five would be Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.
Now this is interesting. Had you thought about picking one
over the other and what led to deciding to go
(00:20):
with a partnership scenario, specifically here with Jagger Richards.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Because that partnership is the Rolling Stones. I mean, if
they'd not met on that train station, you know, having
gone to primary school, Lost Tuch, there were neighbors lost
Tich mixed heading to the London School of Economics, Keith
is heading to Art school, and they just happened to
(00:47):
meet on this train station at that that minute, you know,
and Keith's holding the records under his arm, which you
know got I was always it me Sorry, now complain
the confusing I think.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It had the Blues records.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, it was Meek had the Blues records, and Keith
was was fascinated by the fact that he had these
these particular records. The other thing that really made me
want to keep them together as a partnership is because
it's one of the most fascinating dynamics in terms of
(01:23):
a partnership in contemporary rock history. I mean, they're such
different people, and we've come to see caricatures of their character,
you know, sort of evolve over the decades. It was,
you know, Mick was the serious businessman. He bristles about
(01:44):
that kind of simplistic caricature of him. Keith was, you know,
the rock and roll outlaw. He descended far more into
two addiction than Meg ever did, and battled you know,
heroin for years is you know, got arrested all over
the place on several occasions, and finally you know, got
(02:07):
his act together. But the fractiousness of their partnership, the
fact that you know, once Mix started going solo and
Keith found that such to be such an affront, even
though we gave him free reign to be in charge
of the Rolling Stones for the first time, is kind
of you know, the leader. Because Mick was off doing theirs,
(02:31):
he felt it was a real betrayal of the band.
He was furious about it. So that kind of dynamic
of how they fight like brothers. But also, you know,
particularly now, I think even though we've just heard, you know,
they've kind of put their twenty twenty six plans on hold.
And hope, like hell that that's just because they're tired
(02:54):
and not for any other reason. But the fact that
they've sort of come full circle now to kind of
recognizing how important that brotherly bond was, it's kind of
beautiful to me. Even though I love all the one liners.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
There have been many. Yeah, I saw the I saw
the story that you you just mentioned Keith Richards. I
guess he's the one who's saying I can't go out
on a full tour anymore. I don't think. Wow, Keith
is finally he's showing a moment that he's actually human.
There's a point. Yeah, it's been you know, it's been
(03:38):
an amazing run of album tours, you know, massive tours,
and you wonder how he's been able to do it.
But yeah, I'm with you. I hope everything is Hopefully
it's just just as simple as that, and they just
got to slow down the touring schedule.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We'll see, yeah, which is a bummer for us because
I was pretty hopeful that Australia was going to be
back on the Root for next year.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But I thought Hackney Diamonds was great.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Surprised, such a brilliant album, and I think it was brilliant,
and I think everybody fell madly in love with that
record because it distilled the essence of what the Stones
have always been like, the actual you know, combination of
sounds and their influences, and you could hear them in
(04:33):
the studio on that record. You can hear them being
loose and tight and kind of you know, beating the
pieces of the puzzle together in each of those songs. Really,
for that reason, you know, people just were like, yes,
you know, this is To be making that kind of
music in the twenty twenties is astonishing
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