July 19, 2025 • 39 mins
Author DX Ferris breaks down the epic journey of thrash metal legends, Slayer. Learn about the band's rise to fame, how they overcame tragedy, and continue to leave their mark on the music world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of Booked on Rock. It's the story
of Slayer, the music, the mayhem, the metal all coming
up next with author d X Ferris.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Totally rock and roll. I mean, I'll leave you you're
reading Little Hans says, it's time to rock and roll,
rock band, roll up.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I totally booked. Hey guys, welcome back to Booked on
Rock andmeric Senach first time guest on the show. DX Ferris.
By the way, we call you DX Ferris, I know
you go by Ferris and the emails.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, everybody I like, including my wife, called me Ferris.
Michael you having me on here with all your illustries. Guests,
please please consider yourself eligible for the friends.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Is the author of Slayer sixty six and two thirds,
a metal band biography. This is the fourth edition of
the book. It's been selling since twenty thirteen. It's piggybacking
off of your thirty three and a third book about
Slayer's Rain and Blood Right.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
This fourth edition spun out on my weekly podcast for
a couple of years now. I've been doing a weekly
podcast called talkin Slayer, a metal podcast and half assed
audio book. So what I started doing two years ago
was I was just reading a chapter or two from
the book every week. And then right when it was
nearly done and I had the audio book nearly ready
(01:23):
to go, Slayer the one band that looked like they
were going to retire and stay retire and never play again,
they got back together. So that forced my hand. That
made me update a lot of things, that made me
witness some things. And next thing, you know, a year later,
much bigger version of the book. Previous version of the
(01:43):
book was three hundred and fifty pages, had four hundred
and fifty research citations and notes. That kind of thing.
New version of it, the longest version of the fourth edition,
run six hundred and thirty nine pages and has seven
hundred and ninety five search citations. And then wow, new
things have come to light. Can I curse on this
(02:04):
or oh?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Absolutely be all means I want you to.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I demand so, to quote a former Metallica roadie who
may or may not be a real person, new shit
has come to light in the world of Slayer.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Slayer fans must love the book.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
The feedback so far has been very positive. You know,
there are guys that are and when I say guys,
the fans of the show are almost entirely guys, So
I'm not saying that in a neglige and sense. We
do have other people that listen, but they've been very
supportive the whole time. I just got my first print
review of it, which is my head's still spinning from it.
(02:40):
You know, I was hoping people would like it, but
I couldn't have written a review that good for myself.
The fans like it, the fans like how they look.
It blows my mind that people have bought this four
times now, but every time it's a lot different.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You know, when did you become a fan of Slayer?
What got you hooked on the band?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I've read a review of the Health Weights album. It's
their second proper album, way back in like nineteen eighty five,
and it made it sound like it was some kind
of thrash metal masterpiece. Thrash metal was new at the time.
Metallica was doing It's flair, it was doing it and Trax.
I wasn't that deep into the scene. I don't think
I even knew Mega Death yet, so the review made
(03:19):
it sound interesting. You remember how it was, you know,
you read a review and cream metal close up and
you have ten bucks to spend for the week, so
you have to pick one record, and I picked Hell
it Weights. So I put the record on and it's
just this kind of slow chug going on. It's just
this groove like dunt dunk a dunk. And after a minute,
(03:40):
I thought, like, what the hell is this? Like this
is supposed to be a thrash metal masterpiece. This is boring.
What is this? It's just this slow groove and then
like out of nowhere, the floor just dropped out from
under me and he kicked into this higher gear and
it was off to the races, and like I got
goosebumps just about it, and it was like I could
(04:03):
feel reality crumbling around me and nothing has ever been
the same.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
They hooked me a little bit early, a little bit
late with their second album, and that was forty years
ago now, and I've never I mean, I've done some
adult things, I've had some various jobs over the intervening
forty years. I have never sat down with something to
write within my hand and not made at least one pentagram.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Fans of music know that story very well. I've had
that with Van Helen and so many people could probably
relate a story just like that with their favorite band.
Take us back to the beginning of how Slay formed.
They're from Huntington Park, California. Right.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
They're from a bunch of nearby neighborhoods in south east
Los Angeles. There's Maywood, Tom Mariah, Carrie King, Huntington Park area.
Everybody is basically adjacent to Watts, which is one of
the central pivotal seismic scenes of racial tension in America,
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and Slayer grew up around there. Ethnically diverse band, there
were a bunch of guys that had music just calling
their name. To one degree. Tom Mariah, the singer, older
than the other guys. For a few years, he was
content to play in cover bands, just doing the music thing.
Carrie King was very much a Judas Priest guy, died
(05:21):
in the wool, metal guy, the kind of guy that
hated rap on general principle, hated punk on general principle,
just wanted to be in a metal band. Dave Lombardo
of Cuban Extraction his parents are Cuban. He's full blooded Cuban.
He grew up in those neighborhoods listening to everything, listening
to what American music was at that time, everything plus
(05:43):
going to Cuban clubs, I'm seeing a lot of that
ethnic music and that just blew his mind. But the
real star of the lineup, the MVP, the one that
part of what I do in the book is I
take a lot of fan surveys, so I'm not just
saying this is what I think, I'm saying this is
what fans think in general. Well, I think it was
something like sixty percent of fans said that the MVP
(06:04):
from the classic lineup was the late great Jeff Hannerman.
And Jeff Hannerman was a guy that was very much
into being formed in eighty one eighty two, So they
were among those generations of people that grew up listened
to a very different kind of thing that we think
of when we think heavy metal. A lot of Van Halen,
(06:24):
a lot of classic rock, a lot of Scorpions. But
Jeff was super into punk, hardcore punk, and that really
gave him a different edge that mixed with all the
different elements he brought to the table. Jeff was the
kind of guy that would bring a date to a
party and see that the band was playing, and he
would ignore the date and go slam dance, and he's
(06:44):
the guy that wrote most of their best stuff, and
he is the guy who, shockingly surprisingly it still doesn't
feel real, died suddenly in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Crazy Yeah. Rick Rubins quoted in the book, he said,
although he might have been the quietest member of the
band personally, Jeff was the heart and soul musically.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah. Absolutely, Without Jeff, I think Slayer winds up being
I mean, Carrie King would have been successful doing absolutely
anything he wanted to do if he'd have been a
parts inspector or just a metal guitarist. But Jeff really
gave it an edge and brought it to a whole
new different place. Wrote hardcore influenced songs, but he also
wrote a lot of mythic songs, big metal stuff on
(07:23):
one of their signature albums. I just figured this out
on Seasons in the Abyss, when the band's solo Jeff
leads off seven out of ten times on that record,
so very much set the tone for Slayer.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Hannaman came up with the name Slayer, but there's a
story that's been out there that's not true that it
came from the movie from nights En eighty one.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Dragon Slayer Yeah, that's been out there for years. I mean,
and it's a reasonable assumption to look at that and
connect it to but reasonable assumptions tend not to be correct,
and I try not to do that thing as a
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The logo. Lombardo designed the logo.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, Dave Lombardo says he designed the logo. I was
not there, but he thought Slayer slicing, slashing, violence, it
should look like somebody cut it into something, and it does.
So that's the origins of the Slayer logo. And as
I was recovering the book, the slicing Slayer logo, the
carving Slayer that has become one of the unique distinctions
(08:27):
of Slayer fans.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's iconic.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
No fans are more ready to carve the band's logo
into their flesh.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Dan Slayer is tom Ria love This born on six'
six sixty. One, yeah birthday is six Six and he's
made a living singing lyrics Like Hail. Satan, yes and
he hails from a Devout catholic.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Family, yes his family were from an extreme. Group his
Sister jeanette wrote a book about growing up and what
that was like and the tension between those two aspects.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Was he rebelling against?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That, no it's really. Interesting one of the chapters in
the book is a book report About jeanette's, book BECAUSE
i wanted to let people know about, it BUT i
didn't want to steal too many of her ideas and her,
content AND i wanted people to know about. That it's
a respectful kind of. Tension his parents didn't love it,
always but they respected him doing his, thing and he
(09:21):
and his dad have some, tensions and there's a real
heartfelt reconciliation between those. Two, tom as far AS i,
know is the only one that has any kind of
organized or serious religious faith in the. Band but he's
the mouthpiece of the, band so he comes at the
band's lyrics like an, editor like an, actor like a.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Director he's had some fascination with serial, killers, right he.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Does you, know one of the the staples Of slayer
content is war, death serial, killers and he's always been
obsessed with. Those you, know some of the guys in
the band read more than, others And tom has always
been into serial.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Killers Dave, lombardo He's slayer's most acclaimed and prolific. Musician
you then add quote his distinctions only damaged his tenuous
status in the. Group him being the most talented player
in the group didn't sit well with the other, guys
and you say that he was doomed to be at
the bottom position In slayer's hierarchy for as long as
he could take. It he battled with the other band
(10:21):
members from the, start or did they get along for a?
While they're in the.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Beginning they are a band of, brothers and is, such
there is some tension. There very early, On dave didn't
play a show because he was sick and the rest
of the guys are such. Workaholics Carrie, king when he
told me the story in two thousand and seven or,
whatever he still couldn't wrap his brain around, It like
he was, sick so he didn't play a. Show like
(10:45):
WHAT i. Don't it's like there's no sick in, metal,
Dude like we. Go So dave always wanted to live
like something of a reasonable normal human, being And slayer
don't really do. That they live like these, extreme, dedicated focused.
Athletes really early, on when they got a van that
they could drive around the country and tour, in they've, realized,
(11:08):
hey there's a, bunk there's room for, me and there's
room for my girlfriend, fiance future, Wife she's coming with,
us and that created a, big long lasting ripple effect
that led to a. Schism over the, years he made
a few power plays to be more influential in the
band's business, affairs to have more of a say in
(11:30):
what was going, on to be a pivotal, guy and
those worked out with the increasingly negative.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Repercussions he's been in and out of the, Band.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah in and out of the, band and finally in twenty,
thirteen they had enough and he made a very, misguided,
misinformed and retrospect big mistake that ultimately got him booted
from the.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Group let's talk About Kerry. King you call me alpha
dog in The slatannic. Pack the fans mostly blame him
For lombardo's, Firing but is he misunderstood by the. Fans
there's a chapter in your, book by the, way titled
is Carry king a? Dick it's a good.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Question, Yeah Kerry king is an. Achiever he is the
captain of the. Band and if you want to get anything,
done you have to step on some, toes and you
have to hurt some. Feelings and you, know at a
certain point his leadership style stops taking everybody else's feelings
into account and, says, listen we're doing it my way
or the. Highway by the, Way, dave you get the highway.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Again those early, days they signed With Metal, blade AND
i believe what their first album was self. Funded it
was with their own. Money is that what the story? Is,
yeah They Tom ariah's. MONEY i think. Right he made some.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Money, Yeah tom got some money from his. Dad But
tom is the only one that has ever had a
full time. Job he was a respiratory. Therapist So slayer
financed that. Album But slayer do not own that, album
which is fairly common in the recording. Business But tom
doesn't see it that. Way he's still out about that.
Now Jeff hanneman stayed friends With Brian spleegel And Metal
(13:04):
blade for a long. Time that was one of the
few people that he was really friendly with and kept
in contact. With Carrie king still likes. Him Dave lombardo
still cool with. Him but that Rubbed tom the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Certainly those early, days we're not talking about a band
that was going to have a hit single on the,
radio so they really had to work hard to develop their.
Following they. Did there was an underground. Following how quickly
did that develop? It and how did they go about?
That were they just playing how many five six nights a?
Week were they just out there just constantly?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Playing never that, many but they were out there, constantly
just playing one show a month and then two and then,
more playing wherever they. Could In Los, angeles they would
play the Country. Club they played a lot of shows
with suicidal tendencies in the early, days but they would
also pull up on the back of a truck and
play in empty industrial parks at the. Time and eventually
(13:55):
they went north to The Bay area scene With, metallica
with so many great talents up, there Machine, Head, exodus
well Machine head Later, Exodus, Violence Death, angel and they
were really part of building that scene as well.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Too, yes it's like a grassroots. Thing people started talking
you got to check out this, band and it grew
and it, grew and Eventually rain And blood is their third.
Album eventually they Signed this Is. Crazy they signed With
Russell simmons And Rick rubin's newly found Deaf Jam, records
then a largely hip hop based.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Label, yeah entirely hip?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Hop, yeah how did this all come? TOGETHER a couple different?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Ways Rick rubin now has worked with The last TIME
i did the math on it's something like ten percent
of The rock And Roll hall Of fame. Inductees, wow
And nobody's. Close that was like twice What Phil spector had.
Done so he's worked with. Everybody And rain And blood
Was rick's first rock. Record this was his first step
(14:55):
into show in the world what he could do as a.
Producer comes out right around the same time As The
Beastie Boys' license To. Ill he's still considered a real
anomally some weird looking white guy with long hair and
a leather, jacket but he works with rat. Bands in
nineteen eighty, six that was. Weird that just didn't happen a.
Lot he's liked one or the. Other And Bill adler
(15:20):
one of the many people from DEAF gm back in the.
Day he credits DEF gm for reintegrating popular. Music it
was the label that really said, listen it's not black or.
White there's two kinds of, music good and, bad and
we make good. Music Rick rubin saw them play In
New york one night and he just had to have.
(15:40):
Them he needed more so instead of you, know after
working with RUN, dmc after working With Beastie boys after
working with rat Bands Helo coolja and next thing he Wanted.
Slayer he just had to have.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
It which album Is Carrie king? On he's On beasties
Or he's On RUN. Dmc is he on? Both he plays, guitar.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Plays on the First Beastie boys, Album he's On No
Sleep Till, Brooklyn and you, know, Interestingly No Sleep Till
brooklyn appears in the Third guardians of The galaxy, movie
which is curated by Director James, gunn who's a big
metal guy and just has a great sense of. Music
and in the very action climax of the whole, Trilogy
(16:24):
Carrie king solo was. Playing so when you need, action
when you need, violence when you need, groove when you
need a compelling, Narrative Carrie king's music somehow fits into,
this this big blockbuster affair booked on Rock.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
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Speaker 2 (16:40):
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Speaker 1 (16:47):
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need ball.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Bearings come, on, guys it's so. Simple maybe you need
a refresher, Course, hey it's all ball.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
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six to Two, thirds a metal band, biography the fourth edition.
Out now we're talking with the, Author ferris aka D X.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Ferris do you Like DAVID x like X Ray ferris Leg, mueller.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You're right extensively about the band's third, Album Raining blood
from eighty. Six this is the one that's under the
Def jam record. Label this is considered not just by
the fans their, best but this is one of the
most legendary thrash metal albums of all.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Time it is it's The the First slayer BOOK i
wrote was for the thirty three and a third, series
and thirty three and the third is a series of
books about or inspired by classic, albums and my successful
pitch to them was if you're gonna because there was
not a metal album in the series at that, point
my pitch to them, was if you're going to write
(18:19):
about a metal, album this is the one you. Have Rick,
rubin who worked with so Many hall Of fame, artists
engineered By Andy, wallace whose incredible body of. WORK i,
mean he Produced Jeff Buckley's, grace which is as good as,
albums yet he did what he could For Guns N',
Roses Chinese, democracy and he has mixed and mastered albums
(18:40):
by pretty much. Everybody and that first book THAT i,
Wrote slayer thirty three and a, Third rain And, blood
that oddly features the only real profile Of Andy wallace
THAT i have ever really, Seen like nobody's done a
real look at his, career and that is a career
that has so many. Highs somebody should get on.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
That you, know he plays an important role because It's
Rick rubin who calls On andy to help him with
things that he's not really all. THAT i don't know
all that versed.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
In rick and his running relationship With slayers is one
of the backbones of the. Book he spends almost the
entire rest of their career With, slayer working, together partnering
to various, degrees and in looking at his relationship With,
slayer you see how he, Works you see how they.
Work you can infer a lot of things about the
(19:29):
record business from, that and that's how they work. Together
so one of the THINGS i did in this version
of the book IS i have a running feature called
The Rick Rubin. Watch you, know WHEN i talk about
my rock and roll bond OF, FIDS i, SAY i
have a master's degree In, SLAYER i have a PhD
In Donnie, iris and my undergraduate is in WHAT i
Call Rick. Rubinology because he's such a fascinating. Guy rick
(19:53):
is a guy that does know. It he says he
does not know anything about technical. Recording he says he's
not an. Engineer he says he doesn't know his way
around the, studio but he knows everything about the. Studio
he just doesn't get involved in the stuff that takes
twelve hours of sitting behind the. Board he's totally up
to date on recording and techniques and sonic, science and
(20:16):
he knows how things, work so he had a vision
For rain And. Blood he didn't like the way The metallica,
albums so as we're discussing the, book he had a
vision for everything sounding like not one big wash of
base and one aggressive.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Wave of.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Sound he just wanted things to be a, pulse And
Andy wallace was the guy that was able to take
that and just scientifically calibrated into a, lethal focused.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Force angel Of death is often voted or ranked at
the top as maybe the band's, greatest and it's the
lead track on this, album but Post, mortem Reraining, blood
the way that album ends is. Perfect it is what's
the most underrated track on that? Album for? You ooh
UNDER i don't.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Know that it is, Underrated but my favorite is Not Raining,
blood and my favorite is not the opening Song Angel.
Death you, know both of which are incredible. Tunes but
the song Post, mortem like so many of their, songs
is just something that is so. Tootemic it's hard to.
Explain you. KNOW i got a review of the book
once and, said, oh he doesn't say much about Post.
(21:22):
Mortem he just, well the band didn't have much to
say about. IT i said EVERYTHING i could say about.
It it's a song that, just you, know like so
much A. Slayer it has a dark magnetic quality to.
IT i mean some of my favorite metal. Lyrics taste
Your blood as it trickles through the. Air it has
just a genuine menace to. IT a lot of fans
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consider those last two, songs Post mortem And Raining. Blood
they consider them one, song one, piece and So Raining
blood is a song that has its own opening. Act
how many songs are like?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That in the, nineties so many bands struggled amidst the grunge.
Era how Did slayer manage through? That material they released was?
Okay you said in the, Book.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
YEAH i mean the probably what is GENERALLY i like,
It but what is generally considered the low point of
their career is the nineteen ninety eight Album The abolis And,
musica which you can argue whether it's a new metal
album And Capitol you or Umlat. You definitely not a thrash.
Album it's them doing something. DIFFERENT i liked it at the.
(22:25):
TIME i don't like it as much, now BUT i
still listen to it a. Lot but it was polarizing
the way that people look back At Metallica's Saint anger.
Now it was basically the way they look at the
abolis and. MUSICA a lot of metal bands really hit
bottom in nineteen ninety, nine and that TOUR i saw
A slayer play a club with the capacity of a,
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thousand give or take metropol In. Pittsburgh Iron maiden played
that club that, tour or right around, Then Iron, maiden
The Mighty Iron maiden in. Clubs now that was With Plays,
Bailey it wasn't With Bruce. Dickinson but all those bands
for a while were downgraded into much smaller, venues even the.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Biggest some of them were even.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Unemployed, yeah so the nineties very different time for Not,
slayer but all metal.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Bands lineup changes in the nineties as. Well lombardo in
and out of the. Lineup we talked about that and
he returned in the twenty twenty Thirteen let's get to.
It he made some dramatic allegations that rupture the.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Band what, Happened, Yeah dave got a hold of some
financial documents that he thought said certain things about where
the money was, going and the band looked at. Those
the band looked at his account of. Things they, will you,
know certainly talk to, management and at the end of the,
Day Dave lombardo was no longer in the, band and
they continued on with the same, management SO i got
(23:47):
to think that they've got some bad information.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
There, this by the, way is broken down the book.
TOO i mean you get into tell there isn't anything
left out in this. Book anything and everything you want
to know about the band is in this.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
WAY i, TRY i. Tried there are a couple Other slayer,
books AND i tried to be fair to them and
not lift all their. Stuff so you, know any serious
topic requires more than one. Book But i'd like to
THINK i went all out with.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It there are those common tropes among rock, bands metal.
Bands but it's true, though like the story you told
About lombardo with his girlfriend and that caused. Issues but
there's always the legal. Issues there's, money there's who's getting credit.
Publishing it's, inevitable it. Seems.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
YEAH i mean it's really. INTERESTING i mean the subtitle
the short version of the, book And i'll spare you
the long. One but the short version of the book
title Is slayers sixty six and two thirds A Metal
Band biography dot dot, dot and that is a long
ellipses or how Fucking slayer kicked fucking ass so my
(24:51):
question When i'm writing about bands or pretty much anything
is not what was?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Like my question is how did you do? That SO
sa part of a group of bands known as The
Big four or the Big american rash metal, Band, Slayer, Metallica,
Anthrax Make It. Death those are the ones that pretty
much Put slayer on the on the, map that put
thrash metal on the, map that showed that this new
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kind of form of metal was a. Thing so in
the nineteen, eighties the question was how far can this music?
Go and In metallica and In slayer we get answers to.
That metallica showed that it can. Go all the way
is how far it can. Go metallica starts off with
this pretty, nasty, ugly aggressive metal band with nothing going
(25:42):
for them in traditional musical business, qualities not good looking,
guys not that. Catch he's certainly not. Popular but over
the next ten years they would record an album and
release it that is on par with sales Wise Pink,
floyd The. Eagles it's as big as he. Gets So
(26:03):
metallica show how far you can go and how big
you can. Get But, slayer the lesson you can get
from them is how far can you go being an, extreme, inaccessible, controversial,
aggressive confrontational. Band can you make a living doing? That
slayer show you how to do.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
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Speaker 2 (26:27):
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back to the. Show june twenty ten is when The
Big four played together for the very first TIME Metallicus, Layer, Megadeth.
Anthrax you called it the metal event of a lifetime
in the Book The Four. Bands they get along well
what's the relationship like among those four?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Bands, rivals, frenemies sometimes, friends you know, again brothers in a.
Sense they all have common. Roots they've known each other,
forever but after a, while people of a certain stature
have different opinions about things and how to go about.
Them To Carrie, king he can't Believe metallica don't bang
their head on stage. Anymore to, him that's just an unforgivable.
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Sin now, eventually of Course Tom riah couldn't do it,
Either But Carrie king will rage against all forms of
attrition until he cannot.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Anymore hey him and died of liver failure twenty, thirteen a.
Shock the start of the decline of his health is
in twenty. Eleven what? Happened he said he was bitten
by a.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Spider, yeah he's hanging out in the, desert lounging in
a as he remembers, it he was in a hot
tub and he felt something bite. Him next thing you,
know he has a. Fever his arm is swelling. Up But,
jeff being a hard headed, guy was out in the,
desert was having a good. Time didn't want that to.
Stop so it takes him something like ten days before
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he goes. Home by the time he gets, home his
arm is swelling up to the point that he can
barely fit in his. Jacket he wants to go upstairs
and fall, asleep and correctly reasonably think. Gosh his wife,
says you're not going upstairs and falling. Asleep we're taking
you to the. Er they get to the er and
the doctor's eyes bug out of their head and, like,
(28:54):
oh it's time for. SURGERY a couple hours, later you'd
have been. Dead so what that spider bite led to
was a, hallacious, horrendous, disturbing scary infection called necrotizing fasciitis
that just ravages your. SYSTEM a surgeon that saved, him,
(29:15):
oddly you, know what are the odds was A slayer,
fan and he looked At jeff and he, said, listen,
First i'm going to save your, arm Then i'm going
to save your, life And i'm going to save your.
Career and he was able to do that, much but
the career thing did not fully, transpire so.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
There were effects of it from that point. Forward he
was never fully. Recovered is that the cause of the death.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Right according to all, accounts he did not like doing the,
rehab so it's not directly what led to the. Death but,
yeah as we say in the, book When jeff died
two years, later a lot of people, said, oh well
the spider, bite that was the end of it for. Him,
well you, know if you get bit by a, spider
then two years, later how do you die of? Cirrhosis
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so Once jeff was, bitten and once he was on the,
sidelines he just did not like doing the rehab that
would have been necessary to put him back on the.
Stage he played with them in one big, concert but
he was never at full form. Again and in that,
time basically what he did was play video games and
drink and self you, know not to trivialize, that he
(30:22):
will say self, medicating but drinking became more of a
priority than just cleaning up and.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Rehabbing, sadly there was the question of Whether slayer would
continue after he. Died what happened with the band after his?
Passing and where are we at today with? Slayir.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah Carrie, king shortly Before jeff exited the, band SAID
i look at bands and they have different members going
in and. Out how can you do? That But Carrie
king found a. Way the band was an ongoing. Concern
just folding it in and not making money and not
playing shows would not have. Helped jeff would not have,
helped his wife would not have helped the. Band So
(30:58):
jeff is an impossible to. Replace there was no way
you could get anybody to take his, Place and what
they did was come up with an inspired choice to
Take Gary holt From, exodus who was both The Carrie
king and The Jeff hanneman Of. Exodus he was the team,
captain contributed to all the songs played on all of the.
Albums technically not an original, member but he's the guy
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that had always carried the Band exodus on his. Shoulders
so they needed somebody that was a real, professional somebody
that they knew, personally somebody that would not defer to
them too. Much slayer's tour manager, says anybody else from
a younger band would have been a. Fan But Gary
holt was a, friend he was a, brother and he
would have been hanging out with them backstage drinking their. Beer,
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anyway he might as well step in and, play and
he has. Brilliantly you, know he's not just Doing jeff's.
Act he's Playing jeff's, riffs but he's making his own
contributions to the.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Band as we stand, today they've been playing. Live in,
fact you were emailing me about the day that they were.
PLAYING i think right around now they're on the, road aren't.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
They, yeah right now they have played four of their
six shows that are scheduled for the. Year they played In, Cardiff.
Wales they played a full size. Set they were part
of The Black Sabbath festival back to the. Beginning they
played a truncated set. There they're one of the highlights
of it and highly. Placed you, know that's an important.
Metric After slayer Wore guns N', Roses, Metallica ousie and Then.
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Sabbath so with every metal band ever being, There slayer
was the number five act Above. Tool so they're, Back
they're doing well and it's an incredible. Show they're putting
a lot more into it than they need. To my
fear for the shows they were going to was that
they were going to half ass or play the same
set from five years, ago and they have. Not these
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shows are. LEGIT i had a great.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Time let's finish with. This tell me about These slatanic
surveys that are towards the end of the.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Book SO i don't read reviews, generally but sometimes when
you need to fix things and correct factual, things you
take a look at the. Reviews you, know somebody that's
putting out a product putting it. Together so WHAT i
noticed was coming up time and time, again people would, say,
well it's just his. Opinion he thinks, this but it's not,
that and he doesn't Like Divine intervention so. Much AND
(33:14):
i like it because it reminds me of that. SUMMER
i drove around with my Pal joe and listened to.
It if he doesn't like this, album what does that
say about? Me WHICH i don't know if that argument
holds water. Necessarily but WHAT i did in this was
to offset my very pronounced opinion WAS i took a
bunch of. SURVEYS i asked, people what are your Favorite slayer,
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songs what are your favorite, albums what's the first one you,
encountered what's the first new album after you started listening
to the, band what's your favorite, album who's YOUR mvp
from the? Lineup what's your least favorite? Album so that
really offsets the subjectivity of. It this version of the,
book AS i, say is both more confrontational but it's
(33:57):
also more. Conversational you, KNOW i go so far to
make the point time after, time, like if you have
a different, opinion you're not. Wrong you, know people can
be eating the same food and taste different. Things we
can watch the same movie and notice different. Things so
IF i don't like this particular, album well here's what
one hundred or two hundred fans had to say about.
(34:17):
This how do they rank? It SO i think that's
a good way to rank how the band's different work
sits among the fan. Base it's not just.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
ME i have.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Opinions you have opinions. Generally what do people THINK i have?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
That the layout's really cool. Too you got the pie
charts breaking down the percentages and all that, Stuff SO
i thought that was. Cool thank.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You i'm big on. Metrics there's a chapter WHERE i
compare and contrast The Big four in as many different
ways as, possible using things like standard. Things you can
readily look up how Many grammy, nominations how Many grammy,
wins how Many spotify. Plays but THEN i invent a
few of my. Own how many great album opening side
one track one songs through each? BAND i Think slayer
(35:01):
have the, most But i'm A slayer. Fan i'm a
little bit, biased.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But there's the conversational part of the book that gets people.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Talking, yeah, EXACTLY i know WHAT i. THINK i want
to hear what you. Think you tell. ME i put
a lot of work into, this a lot of late,
nights a lot of like four, am six, am going to.
BED i ground my health into a doey. PULP i, really, like,
SERIOUSLY i erecked, myself my blood sugars out of. Control
(35:27):
i'm on a very aggressive workout. Schedule listening To slayer
helps me.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Work, Out oh, yeah for, sure myself.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Out of a. Hole and now that the book is
out and getting good reviews and people have it in their,
hands my body is letting go with this tension That
i've been really holding on to for like two years,
now just getting ready to stop and release at any.
Minute in that moment never. Comes So i'm finally like
relaxing a little. Bit that REVIEW i sent you, Like, Wow,
(35:55):
okay it's, Here it's, real absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Man, Yeah and HOPEFULLY i can help sell a few more,
copies get the word out. There slayer sixty six and
two thirds A metal Band, biography the fourth edition out
now you can find over her books are Sold.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, amazon pool. Retailers if you're a retailer and you want.
It it's something THAT i own and control. Personally it's independently,
published SO i can update it ANYTIME i need, to
AND i do all.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Right and where can people reach out to you?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Online patreon dot, com Splash slayer book is the best
way to do. It slare books with AN s on
the end and the. Beginning that'll get you. There just
search for D X faris And. Slayer it'll get you.
There podcast is free generally. Free listeners get an episode
every other. Week package you start at less than a
dollar if you want one every. Week you tell me
(36:45):
how Much slayer do you? WANT i got you covered.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Cool AND i did tell you an email. TOO i
love the way this is. Written you've got your own,
style your own individual writing, style Which i'd, love and
it comes across when you're talking. Here now that's the
way you. Write thank you yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Again the beginning of this edition of the book was
me literally reading the book aloud every, week and that
gave me different thoughts on. It WAYS i could make
it more, Conversational WAYS i could make it more accessible.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
In your own. Voice, yeah in my own.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Voice it's SOMETHING i did was completely revised this.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
One.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
YEAH i was trained as a formal journalist who had
to be objective and, clinical and eventually that got. Boring
i'm also something of a composition. GEEK i used to
write really long sentences that were like jazz, solos and
EVENTUALLY i realized that's bad. Communication nobody can read that.
Shit so now this version is shorter, sentences shorter. Paragraphs
(37:39):
it's like Sod Riffs, dunn short, sentence short, sentence short,
paragraph a lot of white, space so it's, longer it's,
bigger it has a lot more, sources but it's also
easier to.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Read all, right, Man, ferris thanks so, Much.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Thank you for having. Me you do good. Work you
do great. Work you, know as somebody that produces, CONTENT
i think you can lose your union card if they
find out that you actually read the, books which you.
Do nobody does. That and as somebody that produces, CONTENT
i don't know how you do what you.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Do, DUDE i got a full time. JOB i don't
know HOW i do. It, no you, Know i'm. SORRY
i start to have to say no to, people could
not THAT i don't. WANT i don't want them to come.
ON i just can't keep, up which is a good.
Problem but you, know MAYBE i could turn this into
a full time thing one. Day that's, that. Hopefully but
that's what it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Takes that's what it. Takes no sleep for the.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Wicked, hey we'll have you back on again down the
road when you write your next monumental.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Book, yeah anybody out there who want to Talk Donnie,
IRIS i got you, covered.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yea how about, that, Man Donnie.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Iris that's Rock king Of, pittsburgh eighty years, old still doing,
it beat, Cancer.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You're still doing it all, right, Man thanks so, much.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thank, you thank you for your. Work.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Man that's. It it's in the. Books
On this episode of Booked on Rock. It's the story
of Slayer, the music, the mayhem, the metal all coming
up next with author d X Ferris.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Totally rock and roll. I mean, I'll leave you you're
reading Little Hans says, it's time to rock and roll,
rock band, roll up.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I totally booked. Hey guys, welcome back to Booked on
Rock andmeric Senach first time guest on the show. DX Ferris.
By the way, we call you DX Ferris, I know
you go by Ferris and the emails.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, everybody I like, including my wife, called me Ferris.
Michael you having me on here with all your illustries. Guests,
please please consider yourself eligible for the friends.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Is the author of Slayer sixty six and two thirds,
a metal band biography. This is the fourth edition of
the book. It's been selling since twenty thirteen. It's piggybacking
off of your thirty three and a third book about
Slayer's Rain and Blood Right.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
This fourth edition spun out on my weekly podcast for
a couple of years now. I've been doing a weekly
podcast called talkin Slayer, a metal podcast and half assed
audio book. So what I started doing two years ago
was I was just reading a chapter or two from
the book every week. And then right when it was
nearly done and I had the audio book nearly ready
(01:23):
to go, Slayer the one band that looked like they
were going to retire and stay retire and never play again,
they got back together. So that forced my hand. That
made me update a lot of things, that made me
witness some things. And next thing, you know, a year later,
much bigger version of the book. Previous version of the
(01:43):
book was three hundred and fifty pages, had four hundred
and fifty research citations and notes. That kind of thing.
New version of it, the longest version of the fourth edition,
run six hundred and thirty nine pages and has seven
hundred and ninety five search citations. And then wow, new
things have come to light. Can I curse on this
(02:04):
or oh?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Absolutely be all means I want you to.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I demand so, to quote a former Metallica roadie who
may or may not be a real person, new shit
has come to light in the world of Slayer.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Slayer fans must love the book.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
The feedback so far has been very positive. You know,
there are guys that are and when I say guys,
the fans of the show are almost entirely guys, So
I'm not saying that in a neglige and sense. We
do have other people that listen, but they've been very
supportive the whole time. I just got my first print
review of it, which is my head's still spinning from it.
(02:40):
You know, I was hoping people would like it, but
I couldn't have written a review that good for myself.
The fans like it, the fans like how they look.
It blows my mind that people have bought this four
times now, but every time it's a lot different.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You know, when did you become a fan of Slayer?
What got you hooked on the band?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I've read a review of the Health Weights album. It's
their second proper album, way back in like nineteen eighty five,
and it made it sound like it was some kind
of thrash metal masterpiece. Thrash metal was new at the time.
Metallica was doing It's flair, it was doing it and Trax.
I wasn't that deep into the scene. I don't think
I even knew Mega Death yet, so the review made
(03:19):
it sound interesting. You remember how it was, you know,
you read a review and cream metal close up and
you have ten bucks to spend for the week, so
you have to pick one record, and I picked Hell
it Weights. So I put the record on and it's
just this kind of slow chug going on. It's just
this groove like dunt dunk a dunk. And after a minute,
(03:40):
I thought, like, what the hell is this? Like this
is supposed to be a thrash metal masterpiece. This is boring.
What is this? It's just this slow groove and then
like out of nowhere, the floor just dropped out from
under me and he kicked into this higher gear and
it was off to the races, and like I got
goosebumps just about it, and it was like I could
(04:03):
feel reality crumbling around me and nothing has ever been
the same.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
They hooked me a little bit early, a little bit
late with their second album, and that was forty years
ago now, and I've never I mean, I've done some
adult things, I've had some various jobs over the intervening
forty years. I have never sat down with something to
write within my hand and not made at least one pentagram.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Fans of music know that story very well. I've had
that with Van Helen and so many people could probably
relate a story just like that with their favorite band.
Take us back to the beginning of how Slay formed.
They're from Huntington Park, California. Right.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
They're from a bunch of nearby neighborhoods in south east
Los Angeles. There's Maywood, Tom Mariah, Carrie King, Huntington Park area.
Everybody is basically adjacent to Watts, which is one of
the central pivotal seismic scenes of racial tension in America,
(05:01):
and Slayer grew up around there. Ethnically diverse band, there
were a bunch of guys that had music just calling
their name. To one degree. Tom Mariah, the singer, older
than the other guys. For a few years, he was
content to play in cover bands, just doing the music thing.
Carrie King was very much a Judas Priest guy, died
(05:21):
in the wool, metal guy, the kind of guy that
hated rap on general principle, hated punk on general principle,
just wanted to be in a metal band. Dave Lombardo
of Cuban Extraction his parents are Cuban. He's full blooded Cuban.
He grew up in those neighborhoods listening to everything, listening
to what American music was at that time, everything plus
(05:43):
going to Cuban clubs, I'm seeing a lot of that
ethnic music and that just blew his mind. But the
real star of the lineup, the MVP, the one that
part of what I do in the book is I
take a lot of fan surveys, so I'm not just
saying this is what I think, I'm saying this is
what fans think in general. Well, I think it was
something like sixty percent of fans said that the MVP
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from the classic lineup was the late great Jeff Hannerman.
And Jeff Hannerman was a guy that was very much
into being formed in eighty one eighty two, So they
were among those generations of people that grew up listened
to a very different kind of thing that we think
of when we think heavy metal. A lot of Van Halen,
(06:24):
a lot of classic rock, a lot of Scorpions. But
Jeff was super into punk, hardcore punk, and that really
gave him a different edge that mixed with all the
different elements he brought to the table. Jeff was the
kind of guy that would bring a date to a
party and see that the band was playing, and he
would ignore the date and go slam dance, and he's
(06:44):
the guy that wrote most of their best stuff, and
he is the guy who, shockingly surprisingly it still doesn't
feel real, died suddenly in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Crazy Yeah. Rick Rubins quoted in the book, he said,
although he might have been the quietest member of the
band personally, Jeff was the heart and soul musically.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah. Absolutely, Without Jeff, I think Slayer winds up being
I mean, Carrie King would have been successful doing absolutely
anything he wanted to do if he'd have been a
parts inspector or just a metal guitarist. But Jeff really
gave it an edge and brought it to a whole
new different place. Wrote hardcore influenced songs, but he also
wrote a lot of mythic songs, big metal stuff on
(07:23):
one of their signature albums. I just figured this out
on Seasons in the Abyss, when the band's solo Jeff
leads off seven out of ten times on that record,
so very much set the tone for Slayer.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Hannaman came up with the name Slayer, but there's a
story that's been out there that's not true that it
came from the movie from nights En eighty one.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Dragon Slayer Yeah, that's been out there for years. I mean,
and it's a reasonable assumption to look at that and
connect it to but reasonable assumptions tend not to be correct,
and I try not to do that thing as a
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The logo. Lombardo designed the logo.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, Dave Lombardo says he designed the logo. I was
not there, but he thought Slayer slicing, slashing, violence, it
should look like somebody cut it into something, and it does.
So that's the origins of the Slayer logo. And as
I was recovering the book, the slicing Slayer logo, the
carving Slayer that has become one of the unique distinctions
(08:27):
of Slayer fans.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's iconic.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
No fans are more ready to carve the band's logo
into their flesh.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Dan Slayer is tom Ria love This born on six'
six sixty. One, yeah birthday is six Six and he's
made a living singing lyrics Like Hail. Satan, yes and
he hails from a Devout catholic.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Family, yes his family were from an extreme. Group his
Sister jeanette wrote a book about growing up and what
that was like and the tension between those two aspects.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Was he rebelling against?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That, no it's really. Interesting one of the chapters in
the book is a book report About jeanette's, book BECAUSE
i wanted to let people know about, it BUT i
didn't want to steal too many of her ideas and her,
content AND i wanted people to know about. That it's
a respectful kind of. Tension his parents didn't love it,
always but they respected him doing his, thing and he
(09:21):
and his dad have some, tensions and there's a real
heartfelt reconciliation between those. Two, tom as far AS i,
know is the only one that has any kind of
organized or serious religious faith in the. Band but he's
the mouthpiece of the, band so he comes at the
band's lyrics like an, editor like an, actor like a.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Director he's had some fascination with serial, killers, right he.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Does you, know one of the the staples Of slayer
content is war, death serial, killers and he's always been
obsessed with. Those you, know some of the guys in
the band read more than, others And tom has always
been into serial.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Killers Dave, lombardo He's slayer's most acclaimed and prolific. Musician
you then add quote his distinctions only damaged his tenuous
status in the. Group him being the most talented player
in the group didn't sit well with the other, guys
and you say that he was doomed to be at
the bottom position In slayer's hierarchy for as long as
he could take. It he battled with the other band
(10:21):
members from the, start or did they get along for a?
While they're in the.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Beginning they are a band of, brothers and is, such
there is some tension. There very early, On dave didn't
play a show because he was sick and the rest
of the guys are such. Workaholics Carrie, king when he
told me the story in two thousand and seven or,
whatever he still couldn't wrap his brain around, It like
he was, sick so he didn't play a. Show like
(10:45):
WHAT i. Don't it's like there's no sick in, metal,
Dude like we. Go So dave always wanted to live
like something of a reasonable normal human, being And slayer
don't really do. That they live like these, extreme, dedicated focused.
Athletes really early, on when they got a van that
they could drive around the country and tour, in they've, realized,
(11:08):
hey there's a, bunk there's room for, me and there's
room for my girlfriend, fiance future, Wife she's coming with,
us and that created a, big long lasting ripple effect
that led to a. Schism over the, years he made
a few power plays to be more influential in the
band's business, affairs to have more of a say in
(11:30):
what was going, on to be a pivotal, guy and
those worked out with the increasingly negative.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Repercussions he's been in and out of the, Band.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah in and out of the, band and finally in twenty,
thirteen they had enough and he made a very, misguided,
misinformed and retrospect big mistake that ultimately got him booted
from the.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Group let's talk About Kerry. King you call me alpha
dog in The slatannic. Pack the fans mostly blame him
For lombardo's, Firing but is he misunderstood by the. Fans
there's a chapter in your, book by the, way titled
is Carry king a? Dick it's a good.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Question, Yeah Kerry king is an. Achiever he is the
captain of the. Band and if you want to get anything,
done you have to step on some, toes and you
have to hurt some. Feelings and you, know at a
certain point his leadership style stops taking everybody else's feelings
into account and, says, listen we're doing it my way
or the. Highway by the, Way, dave you get the highway.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Again those early, days they signed With Metal, blade AND
i believe what their first album was self. Funded it
was with their own. Money is that what the story? Is,
yeah They Tom ariah's. MONEY i think. Right he made some.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Money, Yeah tom got some money from his. Dad But
tom is the only one that has ever had a
full time. Job he was a respiratory. Therapist So slayer
financed that. Album But slayer do not own that, album
which is fairly common in the recording. Business But tom
doesn't see it that. Way he's still out about that.
Now Jeff hanneman stayed friends With Brian spleegel And Metal
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blade for a long. Time that was one of the
few people that he was really friendly with and kept
in contact. With Carrie king still likes. Him Dave lombardo
still cool with. Him but that Rubbed tom the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Certainly those early, days we're not talking about a band
that was going to have a hit single on the,
radio so they really had to work hard to develop their.
Following they. Did there was an underground. Following how quickly
did that develop? It and how did they go about?
That were they just playing how many five six nights a?
Week were they just out there just constantly?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Playing never that, many but they were out there, constantly
just playing one show a month and then two and then,
more playing wherever they. Could In Los, angeles they would
play the Country. Club they played a lot of shows
with suicidal tendencies in the early, days but they would
also pull up on the back of a truck and
play in empty industrial parks at the. Time and eventually
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they went north to The Bay area scene With, metallica
with so many great talents up, there Machine, Head, exodus
well Machine head Later, Exodus, Violence Death, angel and they
were really part of building that scene as well.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Too, yes it's like a grassroots. Thing people started talking
you got to check out this, band and it grew
and it, grew and Eventually rain And blood is their third.
Album eventually they Signed this Is. Crazy they signed With
Russell simmons And Rick rubin's newly found Deaf Jam, records
then a largely hip hop based.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Label, yeah entirely hip?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Hop, yeah how did this all come? TOGETHER a couple different?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Ways Rick rubin now has worked with The last TIME
i did the math on it's something like ten percent
of The rock And Roll hall Of fame. Inductees, wow
And nobody's. Close that was like twice What Phil spector had.
Done so he's worked with. Everybody And rain And blood
Was rick's first rock. Record this was his first step
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into show in the world what he could do as a.
Producer comes out right around the same time As The
Beastie Boys' license To. Ill he's still considered a real
anomally some weird looking white guy with long hair and
a leather, jacket but he works with rat. Bands in
nineteen eighty, six that was. Weird that just didn't happen a.
Lot he's liked one or the. Other And Bill adler
(15:20):
one of the many people from DEAF gm back in the.
Day he credits DEF gm for reintegrating popular. Music it
was the label that really said, listen it's not black or.
White there's two kinds of, music good and, bad and
we make good. Music Rick rubin saw them play In
New york one night and he just had to have.
(15:40):
Them he needed more so instead of you, know after
working with RUN, dmc after working With Beastie boys after
working with rat Bands Helo coolja and next thing he Wanted.
Slayer he just had to have.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
It which album Is Carrie king? On he's On beasties
Or he's On RUN. Dmc is he on? Both he plays, guitar.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Plays on the First Beastie boys, Album he's On No
Sleep Till, Brooklyn and you, know, Interestingly No Sleep Till
brooklyn appears in the Third guardians of The galaxy, movie
which is curated by Director James, gunn who's a big
metal guy and just has a great sense of. Music
and in the very action climax of the whole, Trilogy
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Carrie king solo was. Playing so when you need, action
when you need, violence when you need, groove when you
need a compelling, Narrative Carrie king's music somehow fits into,
this this big blockbuster affair booked on Rock.
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six to Two, thirds a metal band, biography the fourth edition.
Out now we're talking with the, Author ferris aka D X.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Ferris do you Like DAVID x like X Ray ferris Leg, mueller.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You're right extensively about the band's third, Album Raining blood
from eighty. Six this is the one that's under the
Def jam record. Label this is considered not just by
the fans their, best but this is one of the
most legendary thrash metal albums of all.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Time it is it's The the First slayer BOOK i
wrote was for the thirty three and a third, series
and thirty three and the third is a series of
books about or inspired by classic, albums and my successful
pitch to them was if you're gonna because there was
not a metal album in the series at that, point
my pitch to them, was if you're going to write
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about a metal, album this is the one you. Have Rick,
rubin who worked with so Many hall Of fame, artists
engineered By Andy, wallace whose incredible body of. WORK i,
mean he Produced Jeff Buckley's, grace which is as good as,
albums yet he did what he could For Guns N',
Roses Chinese, democracy and he has mixed and mastered albums
(18:40):
by pretty much. Everybody and that first book THAT i,
Wrote slayer thirty three and a, Third rain And, blood
that oddly features the only real profile Of Andy wallace
THAT i have ever really, Seen like nobody's done a
real look at his, career and that is a career
that has so many. Highs somebody should get on.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
That you, know he plays an important role because It's
Rick rubin who calls On andy to help him with
things that he's not really all. THAT i don't know
all that versed.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
In rick and his running relationship With slayers is one
of the backbones of the. Book he spends almost the
entire rest of their career With, slayer working, together partnering
to various, degrees and in looking at his relationship With,
slayer you see how he, Works you see how they.
Work you can infer a lot of things about the
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record business from, that and that's how they work. Together
so one of the THINGS i did in this version
of the book IS i have a running feature called
The Rick Rubin. Watch you, know WHEN i talk about
my rock and roll bond OF, FIDS i, SAY i
have a master's degree In, SLAYER i have a PhD
In Donnie, iris and my undergraduate is in WHAT i
Call Rick. Rubinology because he's such a fascinating. Guy rick
(19:53):
is a guy that does know. It he says he
does not know anything about technical. Recording he says he's
not an. Engineer he says he doesn't know his way
around the, studio but he knows everything about the. Studio
he just doesn't get involved in the stuff that takes
twelve hours of sitting behind the. Board he's totally up
to date on recording and techniques and sonic, science and
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he knows how things, work so he had a vision
For rain And. Blood he didn't like the way The metallica,
albums so as we're discussing the, book he had a
vision for everything sounding like not one big wash of
base and one aggressive.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Wave of.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Sound he just wanted things to be a, pulse And
Andy wallace was the guy that was able to take
that and just scientifically calibrated into a, lethal focused.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Force angel Of death is often voted or ranked at
the top as maybe the band's, greatest and it's the
lead track on this, album but Post, mortem Reraining, blood
the way that album ends is. Perfect it is what's
the most underrated track on that? Album for? You ooh
UNDER i don't.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Know that it is, Underrated but my favorite is Not Raining,
blood and my favorite is not the opening Song Angel.
Death you, know both of which are incredible. Tunes but
the song Post, mortem like so many of their, songs
is just something that is so. Tootemic it's hard to.
Explain you. KNOW i got a review of the book
once and, said, oh he doesn't say much about Post.
(21:22):
Mortem he just, well the band didn't have much to
say about. IT i said EVERYTHING i could say about.
It it's a song that, just you, know like so
much A. Slayer it has a dark magnetic quality to.
IT i mean some of my favorite metal. Lyrics taste
Your blood as it trickles through the. Air it has
just a genuine menace to. IT a lot of fans
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consider those last two, songs Post mortem And Raining. Blood
they consider them one, song one, piece and So Raining
blood is a song that has its own opening. Act
how many songs are like?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That in the, nineties so many bands struggled amidst the grunge.
Era how Did slayer manage through? That material they released was?
Okay you said in the, Book.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
YEAH i mean the probably what is GENERALLY i like,
It but what is generally considered the low point of
their career is the nineteen ninety eight Album The abolis And,
musica which you can argue whether it's a new metal
album And Capitol you or Umlat. You definitely not a thrash.
Album it's them doing something. DIFFERENT i liked it at the.
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TIME i don't like it as much, now BUT i
still listen to it a. Lot but it was polarizing
the way that people look back At Metallica's Saint anger.
Now it was basically the way they look at the
abolis and. MUSICA a lot of metal bands really hit
bottom in nineteen ninety, nine and that TOUR i saw
A slayer play a club with the capacity of a,
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thousand give or take metropol In. Pittsburgh Iron maiden played
that club that, tour or right around, Then Iron, maiden
The Mighty Iron maiden in. Clubs now that was With Plays,
Bailey it wasn't With Bruce. Dickinson but all those bands
for a while were downgraded into much smaller, venues even the.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Biggest some of them were even.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Unemployed, yeah so the nineties very different time for Not,
slayer but all metal.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Bands lineup changes in the nineties as. Well lombardo in
and out of the. Lineup we talked about that and
he returned in the twenty twenty Thirteen let's get to.
It he made some dramatic allegations that rupture the.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Band what, Happened, Yeah dave got a hold of some
financial documents that he thought said certain things about where
the money was, going and the band looked at. Those
the band looked at his account of. Things they, will you,
know certainly talk to, management and at the end of the,
Day Dave lombardo was no longer in the, band and
they continued on with the same, management SO i got
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to think that they've got some bad information.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
There, this by the, way is broken down the book.
TOO i mean you get into tell there isn't anything
left out in this. Book anything and everything you want
to know about the band is in this.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
WAY i, TRY i. Tried there are a couple Other slayer,
books AND i tried to be fair to them and
not lift all their. Stuff so you, know any serious
topic requires more than one. Book But i'd like to
THINK i went all out with.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It there are those common tropes among rock, bands metal.
Bands but it's true, though like the story you told
About lombardo with his girlfriend and that caused. Issues but
there's always the legal. Issues there's, money there's who's getting credit.
Publishing it's, inevitable it. Seems.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
YEAH i mean it's really. INTERESTING i mean the subtitle
the short version of the, book And i'll spare you
the long. One but the short version of the book
title Is slayers sixty six and two thirds A Metal
Band biography dot dot, dot and that is a long
ellipses or how Fucking slayer kicked fucking ass so my
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question When i'm writing about bands or pretty much anything
is not what was?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Like my question is how did you do? That SO
sa part of a group of bands known as The
Big four or the Big american rash metal, Band, Slayer, Metallica,
Anthrax Make It. Death those are the ones that pretty
much Put slayer on the on the, map that put
thrash metal on the, map that showed that this new
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kind of form of metal was a. Thing so in
the nineteen, eighties the question was how far can this music?
Go and In metallica and In slayer we get answers to.
That metallica showed that it can. Go all the way
is how far it can. Go metallica starts off with
this pretty, nasty, ugly aggressive metal band with nothing going
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for them in traditional musical business, qualities not good looking,
guys not that. Catch he's certainly not. Popular but over
the next ten years they would record an album and
release it that is on par with sales Wise Pink,
floyd The. Eagles it's as big as he. Gets So
(26:03):
metallica show how far you can go and how big
you can. Get But, slayer the lesson you can get
from them is how far can you go being an, extreme, inaccessible, controversial,
aggressive confrontational. Band can you make a living doing? That
slayer show you how to do.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
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back to the. Show june twenty ten is when The
Big four played together for the very first TIME Metallicus, Layer, Megadeth.
Anthrax you called it the metal event of a lifetime
in the Book The Four. Bands they get along well
what's the relationship like among those four?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Bands, rivals, frenemies sometimes, friends you know, again brothers in a.
Sense they all have common. Roots they've known each other,
forever but after a, while people of a certain stature
have different opinions about things and how to go about.
Them To Carrie, king he can't Believe metallica don't bang
their head on stage. Anymore to, him that's just an unforgivable.
(27:52):
Sin now, eventually of Course Tom riah couldn't do it,
Either But Carrie king will rage against all forms of
attrition until he cannot.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Anymore hey him and died of liver failure twenty, thirteen a.
Shock the start of the decline of his health is
in twenty. Eleven what? Happened he said he was bitten
by a.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Spider, yeah he's hanging out in the, desert lounging in
a as he remembers, it he was in a hot
tub and he felt something bite. Him next thing you,
know he has a. Fever his arm is swelling. Up But,
jeff being a hard headed, guy was out in the,
desert was having a good. Time didn't want that to.
Stop so it takes him something like ten days before
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he goes. Home by the time he gets, home his
arm is swelling up to the point that he can
barely fit in his. Jacket he wants to go upstairs
and fall, asleep and correctly reasonably think. Gosh his wife,
says you're not going upstairs and falling. Asleep we're taking
you to the. Er they get to the er and
the doctor's eyes bug out of their head and, like,
(28:54):
oh it's time for. SURGERY a couple hours, later you'd
have been. Dead so what that spider bite led to
was a, hallacious, horrendous, disturbing scary infection called necrotizing fasciitis
that just ravages your. SYSTEM a surgeon that saved, him,
(29:15):
oddly you, know what are the odds was A slayer,
fan and he looked At jeff and he, said, listen,
First i'm going to save your, arm Then i'm going
to save your, life And i'm going to save your.
Career and he was able to do that, much but
the career thing did not fully, transpire so.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
There were effects of it from that point. Forward he
was never fully. Recovered is that the cause of the death.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Right according to all, accounts he did not like doing the,
rehab so it's not directly what led to the. Death but,
yeah as we say in the, book When jeff died
two years, later a lot of people, said, oh well
the spider, bite that was the end of it for. Him,
well you, know if you get bit by a, spider
then two years, later how do you die of? Cirrhosis
(29:59):
so Once jeff was, bitten and once he was on the,
sidelines he just did not like doing the rehab that
would have been necessary to put him back on the.
Stage he played with them in one big, concert but
he was never at full form. Again and in that,
time basically what he did was play video games and
drink and self you, know not to trivialize, that he
(30:22):
will say self, medicating but drinking became more of a
priority than just cleaning up and.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Rehabbing, sadly there was the question of Whether slayer would
continue after he. Died what happened with the band after his?
Passing and where are we at today with? Slayir.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah Carrie, king shortly Before jeff exited the, band SAID
i look at bands and they have different members going
in and. Out how can you do? That But Carrie
king found a. Way the band was an ongoing. Concern
just folding it in and not making money and not
playing shows would not have. Helped jeff would not have,
helped his wife would not have helped the. Band So
(30:58):
jeff is an impossible to. Replace there was no way
you could get anybody to take his, Place and what
they did was come up with an inspired choice to
Take Gary holt From, exodus who was both The Carrie
king and The Jeff hanneman Of. Exodus he was the team,
captain contributed to all the songs played on all of the.
Albums technically not an original, member but he's the guy
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that had always carried the Band exodus on his. Shoulders
so they needed somebody that was a real, professional somebody
that they knew, personally somebody that would not defer to
them too. Much slayer's tour manager, says anybody else from
a younger band would have been a. Fan But Gary
holt was a, friend he was a, brother and he
would have been hanging out with them backstage drinking their. Beer,
(31:42):
anyway he might as well step in and, play and
he has. Brilliantly you, know he's not just Doing jeff's.
Act he's Playing jeff's, riffs but he's making his own
contributions to the.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Band as we stand, today they've been playing. Live in,
fact you were emailing me about the day that they were.
PLAYING i think right around now they're on the, road aren't.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
They, yeah right now they have played four of their
six shows that are scheduled for the. Year they played In, Cardiff.
Wales they played a full size. Set they were part
of The Black Sabbath festival back to the. Beginning they
played a truncated set. There they're one of the highlights
of it and highly. Placed you, know that's an important.
Metric After slayer Wore guns N', Roses, Metallica ousie and Then.
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Sabbath so with every metal band ever being, There slayer
was the number five act Above. Tool so they're, Back
they're doing well and it's an incredible. Show they're putting
a lot more into it than they need. To my
fear for the shows they were going to was that
they were going to half ass or play the same
set from five years, ago and they have. Not these
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shows are. LEGIT i had a great.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Time let's finish with. This tell me about These slatanic
surveys that are towards the end of the.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Book SO i don't read reviews, generally but sometimes when
you need to fix things and correct factual, things you
take a look at the. Reviews you, know somebody that's
putting out a product putting it. Together so WHAT i
noticed was coming up time and time, again people would, say,
well it's just his. Opinion he thinks, this but it's not,
that and he doesn't Like Divine intervention so. Much AND
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i like it because it reminds me of that. SUMMER
i drove around with my Pal joe and listened to.
It if he doesn't like this, album what does that
say about? Me WHICH i don't know if that argument
holds water. Necessarily but WHAT i did in this was
to offset my very pronounced opinion WAS i took a
bunch of. SURVEYS i asked, people what are your Favorite slayer,
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songs what are your favorite, albums what's the first one you,
encountered what's the first new album after you started listening
to the, band what's your favorite, album who's YOUR mvp
from the? Lineup what's your least favorite? Album so that
really offsets the subjectivity of. It this version of the,
book AS i, say is both more confrontational but it's
(33:57):
also more. Conversational you, KNOW i go so far to
make the point time after, time, like if you have
a different, opinion you're not. Wrong you, know people can
be eating the same food and taste different. Things we
can watch the same movie and notice different. Things so
IF i don't like this particular, album well here's what
one hundred or two hundred fans had to say about.
(34:17):
This how do they rank? It SO i think that's
a good way to rank how the band's different work
sits among the fan. Base it's not just.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
ME i have.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Opinions you have opinions. Generally what do people THINK i have?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
That the layout's really cool. Too you got the pie
charts breaking down the percentages and all that, Stuff SO
i thought that was. Cool thank.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You i'm big on. Metrics there's a chapter WHERE i
compare and contrast The Big four in as many different
ways as, possible using things like standard. Things you can
readily look up how Many grammy, nominations how Many grammy,
wins how Many spotify. Plays but THEN i invent a
few of my. Own how many great album opening side
one track one songs through each? BAND i Think slayer
(35:01):
have the, most But i'm A slayer. Fan i'm a
little bit, biased.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But there's the conversational part of the book that gets people.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Talking, yeah, EXACTLY i know WHAT i. THINK i want
to hear what you. Think you tell. ME i put
a lot of work into, this a lot of late,
nights a lot of like four, am six, am going to.
BED i ground my health into a doey. PULP i, really, like,
SERIOUSLY i erecked, myself my blood sugars out of. Control
(35:27):
i'm on a very aggressive workout. Schedule listening To slayer
helps me.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Work, Out oh, yeah for, sure myself.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Out of a. Hole and now that the book is
out and getting good reviews and people have it in their,
hands my body is letting go with this tension That
i've been really holding on to for like two years,
now just getting ready to stop and release at any.
Minute in that moment never. Comes So i'm finally like
relaxing a little. Bit that REVIEW i sent you, Like, Wow,
(35:55):
okay it's, Here it's, real absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Man, Yeah and HOPEFULLY i can help sell a few more,
copies get the word out. There slayer sixty six and
two thirds A metal Band, biography the fourth edition out
now you can find over her books are Sold.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, amazon pool. Retailers if you're a retailer and you want.
It it's something THAT i own and control. Personally it's independently,
published SO i can update it ANYTIME i need, to
AND i do all.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Right and where can people reach out to you?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Online patreon dot, com Splash slayer book is the best
way to do. It slare books with AN s on
the end and the. Beginning that'll get you. There just
search for D X faris And. Slayer it'll get you.
There podcast is free generally. Free listeners get an episode
every other. Week package you start at less than a
dollar if you want one every. Week you tell me
(36:45):
how Much slayer do you? WANT i got you covered.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Cool AND i did tell you an email. TOO i
love the way this is. Written you've got your own,
style your own individual writing, style Which i'd, love and
it comes across when you're talking. Here now that's the
way you. Write thank you yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Again the beginning of this edition of the book was
me literally reading the book aloud every, week and that
gave me different thoughts on. It WAYS i could make
it more, Conversational WAYS i could make it more accessible.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
In your own. Voice, yeah in my own.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Voice it's SOMETHING i did was completely revised this.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
One.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
YEAH i was trained as a formal journalist who had
to be objective and, clinical and eventually that got. Boring
i'm also something of a composition. GEEK i used to
write really long sentences that were like jazz, solos and
EVENTUALLY i realized that's bad. Communication nobody can read that.
Shit so now this version is shorter, sentences shorter. Paragraphs
(37:39):
it's like Sod Riffs, dunn short, sentence short, sentence short,
paragraph a lot of white, space so it's, longer it's,
bigger it has a lot more, sources but it's also
easier to.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Read all, right, Man, ferris thanks so, Much.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Thank you for having. Me you do good. Work you
do great. Work you, know as somebody that produces, CONTENT
i think you can lose your union card if they
find out that you actually read the, books which you.
Do nobody does. That and as somebody that produces, CONTENT
i don't know how you do what you.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Do, DUDE i got a full time. JOB i don't
know HOW i do. It, no you, Know i'm. SORRY
i start to have to say no to, people could
not THAT i don't. WANT i don't want them to come.
ON i just can't keep, up which is a good.
Problem but you, know MAYBE i could turn this into
a full time thing one. Day that's, that. Hopefully but
that's what it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Takes that's what it. Takes no sleep for the.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Wicked, hey we'll have you back on again down the
road when you write your next monumental.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Book, yeah anybody out there who want to Talk Donnie,
IRIS i got you, covered.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yea how about, that, Man Donnie.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Iris that's Rock king Of, pittsburgh eighty years, old still doing,
it beat, Cancer.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You're still doing it all, right, Man thanks so, much.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thank, you thank you for your. Work.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Man that's. It it's in the. Books
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