Tales Of Ozzy, KISS, AC/DC & More with Australian Podcaster Michael Pursche [Episode 321]

Why didn’t engineer Alan Parsons get rich off of Dark Side Of The Moon? Is Bruce Kulick responsible for the reunion of KISS in 1996? What band fired members of their crew for requesting too much chocolate on their tour rider? All that plus, former Ozzy Osbourne bassist Bob Daisley comments on the passing of Ozzy. All that and much more with Australian podcaster Michael Pursche!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Why didn't engineer Alan Parsons get rich off of Dark
Side of the Moon. Was Bruce Culock responsible for the
Kiss reunion in nineteen ninety six, which band fired members
of their crew for requesting too much chocolate on their
tour rider. And what did basist Bob Daisley have to
say about the passing of his former bandmate Ozzy Osbourne?
All those questions answered. Next, I'm booked on Rock. We're

(00:22):
totally bummed rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I mean, I'll leave you. You're reading. Little Hands says
it's time to rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Rock band, roll up, I totally booked. Welcome back to
Booked on Rock, the podcast for those about to read
and rock. I'm Eric Sanach. We have a first time
guest on the show, Michael Persh. He is the author
of Sitting in a Bar in Adelaide fifteen years of podcasting.

(00:51):
The book covers highlights from what is Australia's longest running
classic rock podcast, also called Sitting in a Bar in
Adelaide Now and It's I believe eighteenth year. Michael. Welcome.
Great to speak with a fellow podcaster.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hello, Eric, Great great to say hello. Great to say
hello from the other side of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, is it eighteen years? Do I got it right?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah? Yeah, two thousand and seven when I started, and
I didn't. I didn't think i'd last the end of
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
At the end of that year, and here you are.
There are so many people that you spoke to to
put this book together. Tell us about all the people
that you speak with. How did this project all come about?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
It was actually difficult to trim it down, Eric, I
had so many to choose on it was hard. I
tried to get a balance between people because of course
in Australia, I guess fifty percent or more of my
interviews are local guys, which which not everyone around the
world would know. Some people will, so I tried to

(01:54):
have a balance of both and sort of trying and
even enough a bit. But it came about the about
the fifteenth year of the podcast, an internet page called
buzz BuzzFeed did a poll on the top classic rock

(02:15):
podcast in the world, and I was totally surprised that
I made the list. So I was very chuffed and
was talking to my daughter one day about it and
she said I should write a book, and I was
and I didn't realize how much work it was when
I thought that was a good idea, And so it
took me an entire year. Every waking moment that I

(02:36):
had to put it together. I had to go and
he to go through all my interviews that i'd done
up to that stage and try and cull them down.
So one hundred and twenty five ended up being how
many I did, and that's and that was the maximum
that I could fit into a book.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, so you had to transcribe all of them.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, I found a program that would do that, and
that was okay to the point where I because we're
talking music, there's a lot of you know, names of
bands and names of tunes and albums that it didn't recognize.
And also it had trouble with my Australian accent, so

(03:18):
it took me forever. It was okay to it was
okay to do the initial work, but to edit it
took forever.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah. AI software it's good, but it's it's not that
good to where it's going to pick up on every
single thing. You say, Well, tell us where you're from.
A You're originally from Australia, born and raised, and I'm
also curious as to what got you into classic rock
and you're a musician as well.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I'm in Adelaide, which is in the south of Australia
and it's it's only a city of about a million people,
so we're not, you know, not not the biggest, not
one of the big cities in Australia, but it's it's
a rock and roll city. It always has been. Even
back in the in the sixties, a lot of English
migrants came to Adelaide and they were all rock and

(04:04):
roll people. So the music industry in Adelaide. Adelaide is
always punched beyond its weight in Australia from music. As
an example, guys that you might know, Rick Springfield's band
in Australia was called the Zoot and they were from
Adelaide back in the sixties, so he was actually from Melbourne,

(04:27):
but the initial band came from Adelaide.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
So there's oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
There's a lot of connections of guys that you might know.
Bon Scott from ac DC lived here for a while
and ended up actually joining ac DC in Adelaide. They
came through Adelaide in nineteen seventy four and they were
ready to change singers and Bon Scott was their roadie,

(04:54):
was a local roading so he ended up getting up
on stage with them at a club after they played
their gig and the rest is history.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
You're a musician yourself.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I'm a drama yeah, so people would argue that I'm
not a musician.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
But yeah, but you have a love of music. When
did music get into your blood? What was the first
time you fell in love with music?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I remember, like I'm in my sixties, so you know,
it was AM radio back then. Eric, So I had
a transistor radio under my pillow in my.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Bed when I was That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Ten years old listening to the radio, and yeah, it
just it just took over and over and over, and yeah,
I guess when I was a teenager. Most It's weird
that I think most of us in their teenage years,
the music that we liked or heard stays with us.
And that classic rock for me from the seventies and

(05:49):
going back has just stayed with me. And luckily there's
still plenty around. And you know, although it's said a
lot of the guys that I loved when I was
a teenager are getting to that age where they're part away.
But you know, there's still plenty of guys holding the
holding a flag, and I'll see you've got a Van
Hayden flag in the back there. You know, that's a
great example of you know, those guys took it to

(06:11):
another level in the eighties and beyond, and you know,
inspired a lot more bands that are still making great
music now. So it just hopefully goes on forever.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Did you have anybody that inspired your interviewing style, because
you do make people feel comfortable. You can tell when
you're talking to these artists, these musicians, it's it's like
a conversation between two friends. It's almost as if you
knew them for a long time. So more I'm curious
if you grew up listening to anybody or on television
that you you emulated.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Not really. I read a lot of music magazines. There
was there was two very popular music magazines in Australia
in the seventies called one called Duke Magazine j U
k E and one called RAM Magazine and that that
stood for Rock Australia Magazines. And they were old school
like Cream was in the in the United States, so

(07:00):
they were they weren't glossy publications, but they had long
form interviews with people, and I loved reading them. And
a lot of the interviews they did were with guys
from the UK or the United States that we didn't
hear on the radio. So as an example, Blue Oyster
Cult and bands like that that did not get played
here but still had interviews in those magazines that I

(07:23):
learned about. So I sort of I think I loved
all that back then. And yeah, there were guys on
the radio, but there was no real long form music
interview stuff around back then.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
In the beginning. Was it tough getting interviews or you
made you talk about that in the book, how are You?
Kind of surprised there were some people you were able
to reach pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I guess the advent of the Internet made it easy.
I found, even though it was early days. I found
a couple of Australian guys that had a presence on
the Internet and I could talk to normally their publicist
or their manager and you know, this is what I do.
I'd love to say hello, and it's snowballed from there.

(08:03):
So the first interview I ever did was with a
guitar player called Kevin Borich. His name is and he's
not a well known guy around the world, but he
should be. He is up there with Joe Walsh and
he is one of Australia's great He's actually originally from
New Zealand, but he is one of the world's greatest

(08:24):
guitar players. He's played with so many guys in Australia,
and even with Joe Walks. There was a sort of
a supergroup that kicked around Australia for years called the
Party Boys, and they would be mostly Australian guys, but
they would bring guys from overseas and do a tour
around the country and play some of their tunes cover versions.

(08:46):
So Joe Walsh did it for a while and Eric
Burden from The Animals did it for a while. So
Kevin Borich was the main guitar player in that band.
And I remember Joe Walks saying that he was one
of the greatest guitar players that he'd ever played with,
So he was my first one and it's sort of
snowballed from there. So but I guess what I found

(09:09):
from speaking to people from overseas is ay they've been
to Australia and had a great time, So I can
sort of I can sort of work off that, which
is always good. And if they haven't been to Australia,
some of their musical mates have been here. And until
you've got to come to Australia, you know, we love

(09:29):
rock and roll, we love we look after the guys
that come and see us. So you know that that
works very well for me. But I guess the other
thing is I'm interested in their music. I'm not. I
don't care who their girlfriend is this week. I don't care,
you know, if they're whatever they did in the past,
with whatever substances are, I'm not interested. I really just
want to hear about their music. So and that seems

(09:49):
to put me in good stead these guys. You know,
maybe you're used to people trying to get the dirt on.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Them and I'm sure yep, and they appreciate that. They're
absolutely shit that I'm sure. Well, let's let's get into
some of the interviews that you've done. Let's start with
Alan Parsons, one of the most respected recording engineers and producers.
He also had the successful band The Alan Parsons Project.
He received a Grammy nomination for his engineering work on
Dark Side of the Moon. But what may surprised people

(10:18):
to know is that Alan did not get rich off
of that album.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, absolutely not. And I was again, I was just
blown away to have the opportunity to talk to Allen
and the first Alan Parsons album just blew me away
and I've been a huge fan ever since. But we
got to talking about Pink Floyd and he said he
had the option of having a royalty in perpetch, you know,

(10:44):
for the sales of the album, and he chose to
just take a fee, which I think I can't remember
exactly what he said, but it might have been something
in the in the realm of two thousand pounds he
got paid and that was it. So yeah, he certainly
did not make a fort and we just assumed that
he did, which is unfortunately a common story in entertainment,

(11:05):
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Sure, but he part laid that into a career obviously
that paid off well, but it is it is surprising
because he's the only one that got a Grammy nomination,
which is That's the other insane thing is that Dark
Side of the Moon did not win a Grammy.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's still still in the charts now.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yes, yes, you spoke with Steve Howe, the legendary guitarist
of Yes.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm a huge Yes fan and I stumbled across a
pr agent in the UK who looked after Yes and
Asia and a lot of bands of that and just
opened this Pandora's box for me. That was just blew
me away. And Steve How I actually spoke to Steve
How about a solo album that he had coming out

(11:51):
and Yes, it had not been in Australia since nineteen seventy three.
They came out here when Close to the Edge came out,
and I was too young to go and see them.
I was maybe nine years old, so I didn't go
and see them, and I vaguely recall them on the radio,
but only just so. Steve during that interview dropped it

(12:12):
on me that yes, we're coming to Australia. So for
about the last half of the interview I could hardly speak.
I was so excited that they were coming and they
weren't coming to my part of Australia. But I packed
up and flew over to Sydney and saw them play
and that was John Anderson was not in the band
at that stage. It was the new Yes that's still

(12:35):
going around now. But Steve Chris Guy was still alive,
and it was twenty fourteen and sorry, twenty eleven was
the first time and they came back in twenty fourteen.
But they were fantastic. It was surreal to see them play.
Just so, you guys are so lucky in the States,
you get to see guys at that nearly every year
and we really don't. But you know, the tyranny of distance.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
My friend, yeah, well they're on the Fragile tour right now.
They're playing all of Fragile and I guess he's they're
not going to be taking that tour Australia. I know
they have some dates coming.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Up I'm not that I'm aware of, but they Yeah,
they did have a great time here and they came back,
as I said, a few years later, but they haven't
been for over ten years. And again, you know, Australia
doesn't have a huge population. It's a long way between cities,
and you know, it's a long it's a long haul

(13:29):
to get here. So it's always been a bit of
an issue that, you know, we don't a lot of
bands we don't see here, Like there's so many I
could list so many great American bands that I love
that have never been to Australia, you know Kansas and
and Sticks and guys like that who I would love
to see, but you know, they've never made it across
the Pacific sadly.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, you had a friend of the podcast, Tim Derling
on recently to talk about the books he's written. One
of them is Kansas on Kansas basic example.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
All the all the guys that we spoke about that,
you know Night Ranger and Kansas and Yan t that
we spoke about, well, we're really not well known here
at all. They had no radio play and it was
only I guess in recent years in the Internet that
music's easier to get to. But the only thing that

(14:18):
we had in Australia that that gave us a glimpse
of those bands back in my day when I was
a teenager was Rock Concert, the TV program John Kirshner's
Rock Concert. Yeah, and they would play that, you know,
eleven thirty or midnight on a Saturday night, and they
would play bands that we never got to hear on

(14:40):
the radio. So that was you know, a huge part
of my taste in music's come from that, you know,
Cheap Trick and Ted Nuge and all those great guys.
We just didn't see so it was Yeah, it was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
One episode that I have coming up, Michael, you'll be
interested in, is I have Preston Fraser, author Preston Fraser,
who's been under He's got a new book out on Yes,
but he focuses on just the years without John Anderson,
which I think is really interesting. Maybe I'll get you
as a new subscriber to the podcast, so I'll look
for I'll let you know when that goes out.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
And a classic example of history that you know, I
remember Drama a great album, right, it was the number
one album for the year in the USI. It got
nothing in Australia, didn't even didn't even make a ripple.
So that's that's how different the music industry is on

(15:33):
different sides of the world. So we you know, we
heard absolutely nothing from that album and it was the
number one album of the year on the USI. So
that's crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
But on the reverse side, Kiss that same year, because
I think Drama came out in nineteen eighty, Kiss in
nineteen eighty was dead in the water here in the States,
yet in Australia huge.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah. I was one of those guys that lined up
forever to get it. And yeah, I guess again because
it was so long. That was the first time Kiss
had ever been to Australia, so we you know, they
were on air radar since Alive came out in seventy five,
so it took along, you know, the five year period

(16:15):
that Kiss fans didn't get to see them, so it
was it was a very big deal. And yes, Kiss
you you're right Kiss Kiss's favor had fallen out in
the US and maybe not so much in Europe. But
also that I guess that worked in their favor that
there it was an opportunity to take them somewhere else
in the world to that they were still going to

(16:36):
make some money.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, let me ask you this, did you know that
Aast Frehley was not the band when you were getting
the ticket for that show because it wasn't publicized all
that much, was it not?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
That I recall, No, Peter Chris had left.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Peter Cres, Vinnie Vincent was there, I believe when you
had gone to see them, but maybe not because they
had The thing is they had Peter out first, and
and Ace was on the cover of Creatures of the Night.
He didn't play on that album, and then Vinnie Vincent
was on the tour.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I think it's just on the on the edge of
that time because Unmasked was was quite popular here in
Australia at the time. And and Ice played on that,
didn't he.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
He did, and he was on that tour.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
It may have been it may have actually even been
the last time he came with, you know, in that
in that period of the band. But you know, the
guys have been back so many times since, and that's
a great example. Once you know, once Kiss came to
Australia and realized they had such a huge fan base
here and still today they you know, they've come back

(17:41):
regularly ever since, and and Ice has played in clubs
here in Australia, and Jean's done some solo gigs here
like Ice Freely solo band. Just well, I saw them
in a club here a few years ago and my
hearing still hasn't recovered, but they was inside.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Be back after this, I culatin.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
We'll go up on MACQ after our short intermission.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Speaking of Kiss, let's stay on that topic because you
did have Bruce Cullick on your show, and Bruce Cullick
was the guitarist of Kiss throughout most of the eighties
into the nineties, and one of the interesting things that
he talked about with you was regarding the MTV and
Plug show in nineteen eighty six, and you asked him
about that because it led to the reunion with the

(18:27):
original four guys. You asked Bruce about the story that
was out there. That was Bruce who suggested Ace and
Peter be part of that show. Do you remember what
his response was?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yes, yes, and then and then it sort of came
back to bid him, didn't you know? It was so
successful and it snowballed into the reunion and Eric and
Bruce sort of got pushed to the side, which which
I think. I think he was very upset about the time.
But I think in hindsight, I guess the you know,

(19:00):
the passage of Ptolemy's He's learned to leave, you know,
I guess it always had to happen, But yeah, it
was I think, you know, it was really yeah, he's
doing that might have happened, But I guess he didn't
know that the MTV anything would be such a huge
sensation that everyone allowed to see those guys back on stage.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
So I think he told you, Hey, wouldn't it be
cool to have Ace up there? And then I think
maybe it was Eric Singer. It was like, Hey, if
we're gonna have Ace, let's have Peter come in it
with something very innocent enough. It wasn't like there was
any grand plan. It wasn't like and it wasn't like
Paul and Jean were thinking of anything. They just figured, Okay,
let's let's try it. And then they saw the reaction

(19:40):
that it got and then of course the reunion. Now
let's talk about David Lee Roth. As you know, you
saw the behind Me the banner, the Van Halen banner.
So I'm a huge Dave fan. And you had Stevie
Vaie on your show. And Stevie was on those first
two solo albums from Dave, amazing guitarist, also a being
called Alcatraz. And here's a small world old story. Their

(20:01):
bassist Gary Shea had him on the show. Here grew
up right here in my hometown of Southington, Connecticut, right
down the road. But you asked Stevie about his first
gig with Alcatraz.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
invY was was in the band, and everybody loved invY
and you know everyone. I think I think from memory,
I think the gig was in San Francisco and everyone
of the the auditorium was full and everyone was chanting
invY and Steve I comes out on the stage and
from what Steve said, the audience just went quiet. Who

(20:33):
is this guy? And you know, as soon as he
started to play.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh wow, yeah he's on that one album. It's disturbing
the piece he might have been on. Yeah, that's a
great album.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Absolutely, and and and and Steve was one of those
guys that I thought, there's no way Steve I is
going to talk to me. And I just I made
an approach to his PR people and I've spoken to
him three times since. He is the loveliest guy. And
you know, he's such an easy person to interview. He

(21:09):
loves to chat and he you know, he loves to
talk about music and guitars and guitarists that he's met around.
You know, he's just a lovely, lovely fellow.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So he's not a mud slinger. He never says anything
bad about anybody. He's always got great things to say.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
He discovered a young lady here in Adelaide when he
was here and she was at the time. She was
fourteen years old and her name is orianthy Oh. Yes,
he's recently, in recent years come to live in the States.
Her partner is Richie Sambora, and they record together and

(21:45):
she is a killer guitar player. Just he came across her,
you know, as I said, fourteen year old girl here
in Adelaide playing on her own. She jumped up on
the stage supporting him with a backing track and just
her and ed. You can imagine the room was full
of every musician in Adelaide and everyone's jaw hit the floor.

(22:07):
She was just blew everyone away. So yeah, amazing, amazing girl.
And we're you know, we're very tough to see. What
a what a great career she's she's had scenes.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
You talked with legendary drummer Carmine, a piece Vanilla Fudge,
Cactus back Bogert and a piece Rod Stewart, King Cobra.
He played with Asie for a bit. What a resume.
One thing that would be missing from drummers who would
come after guys like Carmine is that certain swing, you know,
And that's that's because Carmine grew up in an era.

(22:38):
Like he talked to you, about where there weren't rock drummers,
it's jazz drummers. It was Gene Crooper, it was Buddy Rich,
guys like that. He shared his thoughts on that with you, right.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, absolutely, and and and if you know, it all
comes back from those two guys. When you go and
watch those two guys on YouTube and watch Buddy Rich
and those guys play, they are just believable players. And
every rock drummer owes so much to those guys. But
came on again was to my mind just this rock

(23:08):
star god and to talk to him just blew me away.
I first saw him play. He came to Australia with
Rod Stewart's band in about nineteen seventy seven, I think,
and I didn't know much about him, but he made
such an impact that I went back and looked at
his career and again, such a lovely guy. And I've

(23:30):
spoken to him again since, and you know, there's, as
you said, there's so much that he's done. And he
had very similar stories about Ozzie and Sharon that Bob
Daisley had, so it was really interesting to compare notes
about how he was treated in the Ossie Osborne camp
fascinating stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Trying to remember when did he work with Ozzie.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think in the early eighties, maybe eighty three ish
eighty four, okay, because he went he did a tour
of the States and and whoever was sponsoring him drunk
it was, I can't remember who it was wanted him
to do clinic says, you know, as those guys do.
And apparently Sharon got the got a nose how to

(24:15):
joint and wouldn't even let him do that, like it's
just crazy, Like yeah, so just you know, so controlling
on the on the guys that you know people he
added to the show lot. You know, what better is
it to come and see these guys. As much as
we love Ozzie, he always had such great play as
you go to see them as well, don't you.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Legendary jethro Tooll front man Ian Anderson was on your show.
What did he have to say about revisiting the past material?
Because he tours with Tall, he tours solo, and he's
smart enough to know which audiences want what it depending
on where he's playing rights.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
And he was one of the guys that I thought,
you know, when you haven't done an interview with somebody
you think, oh, he's going to be really hard work.
And he had a reputation as being a bit could
be a bit testy, and he was just fantastic. I
couldn't shut him up. He just chatted and chatted. We
chatted for well over an hour and he was lovely.
He just again, I think because I was interested in

(25:16):
the music. And yes he does. He does have a
very good understanding of his fans that want to hear
the run of the Mule, Jeth Rotel excuse me, and
but the other stuff that he does. But he you know,
he likes people. One of one of the things that
I that I remember is that he really appreciates the

(25:38):
people to sit and listen to his music. He wants
you to hear what he's playing. So the back in
the old days, you know, I think he referred to
them as a led Zeppelin crowd, you know, carrying on
and making noise and dancing around. He didn't really like that.
He wanted people to listen to the music. So but

(25:58):
again he was such a lovely fellow.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, speaking of ZEP, and he talks about Robert Plant
maintaining his integrity, how he could have easily took a
money grab and done these Zeppelin reunion tours. He really
appreciates that about Plan. I think Ian Anderson has that
same mindset too. It's the integrity that he wants to
keep intact.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, it must be very difficult, and to you know,
I'm sure there's people in Robert Plants here even now
that I'm saying, you know, come and do it, Come
and do it, Come and do it, and you know
it doesn't really achieve anything. And yeah, it's it's a
hard CaAl, isn't it. As a fan, it's a hard coal.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Sure, well, the fans want it. But Plant never seemed
to was. It wasn't something that again, it wasn't a
money graph for him. Even when he rejoined Page for
the Page and Plant stuff, it was it was it
was to rework some of the songs that they did together.
It wasn't going to be just like a carbon copy.
Podcasts will be back after this, but.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Time has come for someone to put his foot down
and that what is mean.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Michael Adelaide is the author of Sitting in a Bar
in Adelaide fifteen years of podcasting because out now. One
of the artists you interviewed who has sadly passed. Was
Greg Ken, famous for his hits in the eighties Jeopardy
the Breakup song. Greg talks about Joe Satrianni being in
his band. Joe Satrianna I didn't even realized was in

(27:25):
his band at one point. When was that back in
the early.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Days of the Great King Band, and Joe Satriani was
the rhythm guitarist.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Like how crazy is the crazy? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Absolutely? And Greg King again a lovely, lovely fella and
you know again, what was playing for maybe a fifteen
to twenty minute interview went for an air or an
hour and a half. He's just such a lovely fella.
And that's I guess. You know. One of the things
that might the book a bit more important for me
is so many guys like Greg that I've spoken to

(27:57):
have gone and not here anymore. So it's sort of
it makes it a bit special that I got to
talk to those guys and Yeah, and he discovered Joe
and just that they were playing clubs in I think
San Francisco back then, and Joe just went on to
be this phenomenal guitar wizard. So it's amazing when you

(28:18):
see how guys are that started off, but Steve I
was similar. He was, you know, playing rhythm guitar with
Frank Zappa back in and yeah, look look what he's
doing now. He's taken it to a level that we
didn't even think that you could take a guitar to
that level. So yeah, amazing.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
In twenty eighteen, you interviewed John wat who sang with
The Babies, had a huge solo hit single with Missing You,
later front of the band Bad English with members of Journey.
Going back to that single Missing You, he did something
really interesting with that song with Alison Kraus.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah he did, and you know, to take over such
a well known tune that people knew across the world
and to remake it into a country in inverted commas tune,
and what a great job they did. And Alison Krause's
has done that as as you mentioned Robert Plant before,
she's and she's bought her music to someone like me.

(29:17):
She would not be on my radar, but she's she's
crossed over to two guys like me that the rock fans.
And I'm an Allison Krause fan. I like, I've really
gone and looked at what she does, so you know,
that's that's a great thing. One of one of the
great things that John spoke about. Back back in the
early mid eighties, there was you know, satellites were a

(29:40):
new thing and satellite television and they would being interviews
into clubs. So and they did one with Bad English
here in Adelaide, and he and I remember watching it. It
was on they played on television as well. But I
remember asking about that and he said they'd come off
a gig and they were what us substances ire on.

(30:01):
They were totally off their trolleys when they when they
did that interview, and he could remember it so that
I thought that was really fun.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, he's had an amazing career too. I just saw
him out on the road. I think this summer I
saw on YouTube playing some shows. I believe it was
this past summer. So he's still going.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
The babies were booked to come here like last year
and the tube got canceled. I would have I would
love to sing them. To my knowledge, they've never been
to Australia so and the first two babies Alms were huge,
so I would have loved to sing them because our
fingers crossed. Maybe damn the track they'll come back and
see it.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Fee Wable front end of the Tubes. He was on
your show in twenty twelve. The Tubes known for their
elaborate stage shows, and he told you about how the
band would spare no expenses to get the best stage
show there was. But there was an escalating list of
expenses on their riders, much of it spent on chocolate.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
And that got a crazy, yeah, crazy story that they
just did weird things like your expenses were just nuts.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, dancers right, it was the dancers that were requesting chocolate.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
But again he was He was a guy that I
never thought I'd get to interview, and the interview went
for so long I think it was a three hour
episode of the program that And again, the guys have
never played in Australia. The Tubes have never been here.
If I win lotto and can afford to bring them

(31:36):
to Australia, I would love to have them play. They
feeded a promotional tour out here when completion Backwood came out,
just a chat tour, but the band has never played here.
I would love to see them.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
So why is it that so few bands tour there?
Not a lot of radio airplay I.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Think a lot of a lot of the mid level bands.
Like like I said, I guess they're a lot bigger
in the States, Sticks and Kansas and the Tubes can
fill a big haul in the United States, but they
would be playing in sort of two thousand seedars here.
So you know, the financial risk for a promoter to

(32:19):
bring them out is you know, it has always been
a bit of a challenge. There's there's some guys in
New Zealand called Greenstone Entertainment that in New Zealand in
January they have two two public holiday weekends in a
row and they do they do three big outdoor concerts

(32:40):
there every year in those two weekends, and they bring
bands out to New Zealand that have never come to Australia.
As an example, Ario have done Ario Speedwagon have done it.
And so the you know, they're clever enough to bring
those guys out because people want to see them. Occasionally
there's an Australia promoter that will grab them and bring

(33:02):
them to Sydney and Milman for one or two gigs.
Lynnard Skinn it is is an example. They've never really
toured Australia but did two gigs on the back of this,
so it's I don't think Australian promoters are really that
adventurous either, which is which is really frustrating. So yeah,
but again, these guys are getting older and it's it's

(33:23):
I guess it's harder for them to to you know,
they can go to Europe and and not have to
travel so much, and they know they're going to make money,
and so it's, yeah, it's difficult.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Well that's yeah, more of a factory even nowadays as
opposed to the others. You did have John Anderson on
your show, John Anderson of Yes, and you brought up
an album that some may not know of that you're
a big fan of called sun Hillo.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
The A Life, you know, was his first solo.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Album nineteen seventy six, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I don't really know if a people appreciate what a
great musician John Enson is. You know, he's known for
his voice and and but he played every instrument on
that album and he came when he when he was
I'm not sure if he to say he was kicked
out of Yes, but when all that happened, he actually
toured around the world on his own solo and came

(34:17):
and played in a club on his own and he
blew me away. He played you know, every Yes tune
you could ever want to hear, just with him, and so,
you know, the album is a great example of what
a fine musician he is as well as a great singer,
so we don't sometimes guys like that are in bands

(34:37):
where the other musicians are so you know, so great
and and sort of take over that you you don't
really appreciate. And then he wrote a lot of those tunes.
So yeah, again, a great lovely fellow, lovely to talk to.
I've had him on the show multiple times. He's lovely and.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
You talk about high praise, he said, Van Morrison give
him a nice comment about that album.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yes, yes, and you wouldn't. You wouldn't even expect those
guys to be in similar you know, to move in
similar circles, would you.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, Colin Hay have meant at work. You talk to
him just a year after the death of his bandmate
Greg Ham, a very sad story. First, can you talk
about what happened with Greg as far as the copyright
lawsuit for those who may not be aware of that,
how that affected him, and then following up with that,

(35:32):
what did Colin have to say about that, and Greg.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
And I see Colin has got men at work back
touring around the States at the moment with Toto and
Christopher Cross. How cool is that. I'm so happy that
he's out there and doing that. He's he's a great guy.
It's just a sad story. He so, Greg Ham was
people may recall with a flute player and songwriter and

(35:56):
minute work and you know a great part of the
and a huge part of the band. And there's a
music quiz program in Australia called Rock Whiz and it's
it's a slash comedy show. But they they made one
of the so they have a question an answer and

(36:16):
a panel sort of show. And one of the questions
they asked was they played a little bit of an
old Australian folk song called Kooko barro Sis of the
Old Gum Tree and played a little bit of the
flute plart from down Under and there was I still

(36:37):
can't really colleate where they got this from, but it
was an off the cough coment that the the presenter
made that they were the you know that he plagiarized
that that old Australian folk song and it just snowballed
from there.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
And this was just that one moment.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, that one off the coff cuff, I mean, just
ruined Greg Ham's life and just he ended up in
Core and at send him broken and in the end
he took his own life. It's just the saddest, saddest story.
It's just yeah, and I think and yeah, I think
the guy's in men at work still, you know, still

(37:17):
struggle with it. It was just an awful situation.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, were you not sure how Colin was going to respond?
Were you a little absolutely how you're going to ask? Was?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I wasn't sure. It was one of those questions, you know,
do I do I bring up that topic or not?
But but I, you know, I knew how much he
loved Greg, You and I you know, I think in
Australia we could sympathize that it was just such a
crazy situation. And I sort of went from from that
angle to say, you know, how sorry that we all
are that that that ended up like that, And you know,

(37:49):
I'm happy that he took it that way that I wasn't.
I wasn't trying to dig the dirt or anything.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
But you delivered it with empathy and I think he
responded well.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
But he's been living in California for years and he's
the happiest man on the planet. There's a great there's
a great doc HO made about him in the States,
just maybe a few years old now, and I can't
for the life and you remember the name of it,
but it's it's on YouTube. It's really an awesome insight
into how happy he is now, working applying around the US,

(38:21):
and and you know, we're all, you know, we all
love him and he's It's crazy how a Scotsman can
come to Australia and write an iconic song about Australia
and then go and leave in the States. Crazy stuff.

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to the show ac DC we mentioned them earlier. Let's
talk about ac DC. You had a really interesting interview
with Dave Evans. Evans was the original singer of a CDC.

(39:32):
Many may not be aware of this, but the story
was at Angus and Malcolm Young were not happy with
Dave and they either fired him or dismissed him, and
then Bond Scott enters. The reasons vary on that, but
what did he have to say about his time with
the band.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
He's a crazy go I love IBAB and he actually
had the pleasure of applying some gigs with his band
supporting you man. He and the interview in the book
was actually done in an outside cafe in Adelaide, So
there was I was actually talking to another guy doing

(40:09):
another interview, and Dave was wandering up and down the street.
And this is eleven o'clock in the morning, wandering up
and down the street in his leather pants, his stage
gear at eleven in the morning and when we both
knew him and we waved to him, and he came
over and he started chatting to us. So fantastic guy.
He's just he's still a rock star in his own mind.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
And I love that handled that well because that that's
got to be one of those Damn if they only
stuck around.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I think it's still it's still really really hurts him
how he you know, he put his heart and soul
into that band and and you know where the people
agree or don't agree, he's really been written out of
the history of ac DC, which is very sad like.
But they, you know, for his story, was they you know,
he lived in Sydney at the time, and was you know,

(41:01):
I still had to pay his rent and was you
had to live and they really weren't paying him. So
the poor guy is is on the road and can't
you know, he's getting you know, trying to keep his
life in one piece, and he just wasn't being paid.
So I think that was part of it. But yeah,
it's it's a sad story that he really deserves to

(41:23):
be recognized. And the real ac DC fans around the
world know that Dave Evans had a part in that.
And the first tune that they recorded was can I
sit next to you? Girls?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Can they sit next to you? Yeah? Yeah, And then
we recorded it with Bond Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
And that's a great version as well. When the and
the original, it sounds a little bit dated, but but
it gives you an insight where ac DC came from.
And that's and that's, you know, a great piece of history.
Like I said, it's it's a shame that they don't
recognize that as much as they should.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
You got to share the story about when they played
a wedding gig.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yes, so they played a wedding gig. So a friend
of theirs lent them their PA h I think he
was lending them their PA system. And they said, oh,
would you play the wedding And they said and Dave
said no, we you know, were they were starting to
get popular and and you know, getting paid a reasonable

(42:24):
amount of money to play. And the guy said, oh no, no,
I'll pay you your normal fee. So they played at
a Greek wedding in someone's backyard, and of course they
asked them to play Zorba the Greek as you did,
and and they had of course, had no idea how
to play it, and the stories that Malcolm Young said, oh,

(42:45):
just give me a moment, and he went off in
the corner and noodled away on his guitar and worked
out how to play it. So the band came back
on and played an instrumental version of Zorba the Greek
at a Greek wedding. How cool was that.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
That's a great story, that's a great Sorry.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Well, i'd be wonderful, les there was footage of that.
Nowadays everyone recorded on their phone, but back in nineteen
seventy four or they're probably yeah, it's a shine. That
would have been awesome.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah, it's just left up to our imagination as of
what that must have looked like. All right, let's finish
with Bob Daisley, bassist of Ozzy Osbourne, who I forgot
and I was reading about him after listening to your interview.
He's on he plays bass on not just those first
two albums, but he's on No More Tears.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
He plays he plays a really interesting role for Goddi's
early career. He's a great guy, a lovely guy, and
he's probably the most one of the most regular guests
I have on the program. He's come recently in recent
years come back to live in Sydney. So he yeah,
he left Sydney. He left Australia in the early seventies

(43:53):
when he was you know, he really and a lot
of guys did, a lot of guys that wanted to
make it in the music industry went to London to
try and make their fortune. And and Bob, you know,
he was he was only a kid. He I think
he borrowed money from his mum and dad and and
went to to England and long story short, ended up
playing with Richie blackmore so, he played on Rainbow's album

(44:18):
Long Live Rock and Roll. And it was from there
that he had a friendship with with Ronnie Dio and
ended up ended up working with Ozzie. So you know,
he's the he's he is the only Australian who has
ever played in any of those hard rock bands. He's
you know, he's done so much fantastic stuff with with

(44:38):
Carmine you mentioned before, and yeah, played with with John
Sykes and all those guys in Blue Murder, so you know,
fascinating career and Blue.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Murder I forgot about That's a great album.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Absolutely, And and lots lots of bands that again should
have been huge, but I think maybe did better in
the States and Europe than than in Australia. They didn't
really even Rainbow were not really a hugely popular being here.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Sadly, now I'm trying to remember, did Bob and Drummer
League cursedly did they have to audition for Ozzie's band
after Ozzie left Sabbath.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Well, well, the story was that that Bob had had
heads up that Ozzie had well, let me go back
a step. Ozzie was sorry. Bob was earmarked to go
and play with Ronnie Dio because Ronnie had left Rainbow,
and apparently got a message that Ronnie had been offered

(45:38):
the gig in Sabbath, that Ozzie had left or been
been shuffled sideway from Sabbath, so he went he knew.
I think a mutual friend suggested to Bob to go
and have a drink at a pub with with Ozzie,
and they got on really well and got together and
started writing some tunes. And Randy Rhodes was not in

(46:02):
the picture back then that I think it was just
some some roadies of Ossie's that were were playing music
with him in in Ozzie's house and just yeah, and
it all snowballed from there. So Lee Kurzlake had played
in Your Eye Heap with Bob, so Bob knew him
as a drummer. But apparently they auditioned lots and lots

(46:24):
of drummers and and Lee finally got the gig. But
and a great drummer he was, but he was I
think he fell out of favor with Sharon because he didn't,
you know, he was getting old, getting on. I think
he was in his forties or fifties when and didn't
look the rock star that they wanted Tommy Aldridge in
the band for for whatever reason. And and that was

(46:45):
a sort of the root of all evil for Bob
that he you know, he was, he was loyal to
Lee Kurzlake and didn't want didn't want him shuffled out
of the band just because they wanted someone else. So
I think that's where it all started. So but fascinating stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
It's fascinating and that that was hard enough. Obviously he's
dealing with no longer being an Assie's band, But then
there's the legal battles that he eventually has with Ozzie
and Sharon. Talk about this controversy again for those who
may not be too familiar with this whole thing, it
was it was over songwriting. It was because actually Bob

(47:22):
had some input in terms of those songs on those
first two albums, Hum and Azzie had a good songwriting combination.
In fact, he he praised how Ozzie could write those
great melodies over the music that was presented to him.
But there was an issue with that with Sharon. And
then there's the re recordings. Tell us about all that.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's just crizy that that you know,
the guys were not getting credited for for their for
their songwriting and and sometimes we're only getting a performance
payment for the and no royalties from the albums. But yeah,
it's it's really hard to feed them taking a step
back and seeing how that happened in it. But then

(48:02):
the crazy thing is that Bob left as a as
a playing member of Ozzie's band because the first tour
when they came, they too. They tour of Europe in
the UK for a little while and then bought Randy
to the US, but Bob didn't play Rudy Sarzo took over,
so so things are already you know, a bit crazy

(48:22):
back then, but then Bob had gone back in subsequent
albums and and done more songwriting. So he did really
love Ozzie, like they got on very well and they
worked well together. But but you know, I don't want
to throw mud at Sharon, but I think, you know,
the business side of it just just soured at all,
which is again really sad because they made great music together.

(48:46):
Those those first Ossie albums still stand up as the
greatest things he's made.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
So oh my god. Yeah, Now did the re recordings
lead to the legal battles.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I think that was part of it. Yeah, and again
why would.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I can't when was that, by the way, Michael, when
did they I forget when the re recordings were? Is
that late eighties?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Later on in the eighties, yeah, yeah, and again I
don't understand why they went down that path. Why yeah, yeah,
And you know again, Tommy Aldridge, you know, great drama.
And you know, I haven't had the pleasure of speaking
to him, but I think he's a great guy. But
I don't understand why why Sharon was so adamant to

(49:25):
bring him into the band. But you know politics, and
because her father was was Don Arden, so he was
you know, known from Jet Records back in those days
as a very very hard businessman. You didn't muck around
with him. You know, there's stories of him, you know,
threatening to throw people out of his office window. So
I think he was a very nice guy.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, so she just was just kind of taking a
shot at those two guys, like removing them from those
albums was her way of getting him. Just I don't understand,
you know it was that she ever said why she did.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
It, not that I'm aware of. No, No, I think
it was you know, I'm really not sure whether whether
it was to cut those guys out of the royalty
stream that I'm not sure if they were getting any rules,
but you do see bands do crazy things like that,
and yeah, I'm really not sure what that achieved.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
But well, there was the Van Halen story when when
they had the falling out with Michael Anthony and Wolfgang
was in the band. On their official website, on the
album covers that they displayed of all the Van Allen albums,
they replaced Michael Anthony on that first album, you know,
the first album cover where you see all four guys

(50:36):
they put they put Wolfgang.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
On there, Yes, and it's and.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Van Halen fans were not happy about that.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I don't again, I don't understand the logic between doing that.
It's it's a piece of history, it's the band's history.
Leave it be. You know what does that achieve?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
So tell me, tell me. When Assie passed away, I
would imagine Bob was the first guy you thought of.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah, And and sadly, the last few times that I've
had him on the program have been similar situations that
he played with Gary Moore, he played with with Ronnie Dio,
as I've mentioned before. So we've you know, we've done
a program together on those guys, mainly because he is
the only Ossie that played with those guys. But then, yeah,

(51:21):
when when Ossi passed away, there was not anything around,
you know, all the all the media around the world
didn't really mention the guys that you know that helped
Ozzie get there in his solo career a little you know,
Randy Randy Rhodes had a little bit of a mention.
But and I wrote a note to Bob and said,

(51:43):
you know, I wish there was someone would mention you
know how great Ossie's first band was and how you
set the path for his career and and having and
he'd written Bob had actually written an article for the
national newspaper called The Australian. It's, I guess similar to

(52:04):
is that USA today is the national newspaper similar to that,
And he'd written a great article on how you know
what they did in their early days and and you
know how much he loved Ozzie and what they did together.
So I was I was really happy to see that
and that I think that started to go out around
the world a bit, and so you know, it was
it was still only about a week after Ossie's passing

(52:27):
that that we had a chat and Bob was was
very very emotional about that. As I said, they were
really good friends. I think even all the water under
the bridge that that happened business wise and money wise
didn't really affect their friendship. I think. I think they
still had that, you know, that similar sense of humor,
I think, but I think in the younger days are

(52:48):
pretty crazy guys.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
So that was great to hear. Great, Yeah, there were
many things that I really was interested in when I
listened to that last interview did with him where he's
talking about. Yeah, he reminded everybody, don't forget that that
wasn't Ozzy Osbourne's solo project that was called Blizzard of Ours.
The band was called Blizzard of Ours.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah, and isn't that a great story? How that just
changed and Bob wasn't aware that that had changed until
the album came out. It's crazy. Well again, it's it's
just behind the scenes, someone's finger poking. And yeah, if
you there's some you know, there's promo photographs of the
Blizzard of Oz band which was Randy Lee and Bob

(53:33):
and Ozzy and no mention of of actual Ozzie's name.
It was it was a new band. So yeah, how
quickly that changed?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yep, And he brought up the point he says, I'm
the only surviving member of that band, which is really
hard to believe, but which.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Is which is a little bit sad when you think
about that. It's, as I said at the start of
our chat, Eric, you know, from from my year of
you know a lot of those guys are getting into
their seventies and eighties and no longer win us. So
it's you know, we have to cherish, cherish that music,
and when we get a chance to go and see
these guys, you know, it's and that gets me off

(54:09):
the couch. Sometimes the last thing I want to do
is go out in the middle of winter and see
a band. It's like, no, I've got to go because
it may be the last time you see these guys.
And sometimes it is so yeah, yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I think he talked a little bit about the process
of songwriting that took place back in those days. On
those albums. I think it would be him and Lee
and Randy kind of jam and on stuff, and then
they would present it to Azi and again Arsie would
come in and come up with these great melodies over
the music. It was. It was a really good chemistry
that they had.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yes, absolutely, and you know, I think if they would
have stayed together as a unit. Although the second album
is still very, very good, you know, I think that
the all you know, I love all Ossie's work, it's
all great stuff, but those two albums stand out above
the rest. For I think that chemistry and that songwriting

(55:05):
chemistry makes the difference. And you know, Crazy Training, for instance,
is the song that you know, people think of from
Ossie's solo career. And and every time I see, you know,
a ball game or something from the States, it's it's
quite often used to bring the sports team out. You know,
people love that song.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So it is in every stadium around the country with
that lead off all of but here Ossie screaming all aboard. Yeah,
I'm sure you've got a chance to see that final concert,
the farewell Ye and Sabbath.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
And the sad thing was that I saw some footage
of it, and that I think the day after I'd
heard that Ossie had passed away, because I was a
bit slow getting to see it. And yeah, it was
quite a shock.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, shocking, but boy, what a way to end a
career in a lay. It's like you literally like they say,
you're gonna die on the stage. I mean, he really
came damn close to it. And that's a great way
for him to say goodbye to the fans, to all
of the you know, pay tribute to all the people
that he worked with and all the fans around the world.

(56:15):
So it was a it was a fitting end. I
just I wish Ozzie was still with us because I'm
a huge AUSSI fan and just the guy a body
of work that's unmatched between Sabbath and Solo. It's amazing.
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(57:02):
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Speaker 2 (57:20):
I've really changed publishing. I've really made it so easy
for gods like me to get stuff out there. I'm
really amis how how the world has changed for the better.
Everyone says the Internet has got good things and bad things,
but it really has you know, podcasting and publishing is
is just change the world.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I agree. That's why we're sitting here right now and
I'm speaking to you from the US and you're out
there in Australia and we're talking rock and roll. Man,
it's great. And where can people find you, Michael tell
us about where people can listen to the show? Any website,
social media.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, and anyway that you grab your podcast from. Just
putting in a baron adelaide. So, and I don't have
a lot of my historical stuff up because I'm one
of the things I'm passionate about is keeping independent. I
don't I could get sponsors and I could do it,
you know, another way, and make money out of it.

(58:16):
But I'm I want to I want to be able
to do how I do it, and I want to
talk to people I want to talk to. I don't
want to be told what to do, and so it
you know, it makes there's a not always so much
stuff out there.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
But no, I hear your creative control. You get control
over everything. You don't have to anybody like you know.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I like to be able to. I don't like to
be told, you know, you only have half an hour
or you know you can't talk to this person or
that person. Well, you know that's important to me, and
that's what I love about podcasting. It does give you
that freedom. That and my program is on terrestrial radio here,
so I can't you know, I can sort of work

(58:56):
out as well, and that can sort of do both.
That's you know, I'm really I'm really chucked that I'll
get to do that.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Michael Adelaide, thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Thank you, Eric, great for talking. Mike Pleasure, absolutely pleasure.
Mm hm, that's it. It's in the books.