April 12, 2025 • 10 mins
🔥 What really happened behind the closed doors of Facebook (now Meta)?
In today's episode of BOOKKAST - Bestsellers in Minutes, we dive into "Careless People" by Sarah Wynn-Williams — a gripping exposé that takes us deep inside the halls of Silicon Valley’s most powerful tech giant.
🧠 Who are the careless people?
Sarah Wynn-Williams, a former top policy executive at Facebook, reveals the untold truths about Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, and the leadership culture that fueled a global empire — and its dangerous descent. From data scandals to AI ethics, from Myanmar to Meta, this book uncovers the toxic mix of power, greed, and lost idealism that threatens our digital future.
📘 In this episode, you'll learn:
👉 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and hit the bell icon for more bestselling books explained in minutes!
📩 Drop your thoughts in the comments: Is Meta redeemable, or have the "careless people" already shaped our future?
📚 BOOKKAST – Bestsellers in Minutes
In today's episode of BOOKKAST - Bestsellers in Minutes, we dive into "Careless People" by Sarah Wynn-Williams — a gripping exposé that takes us deep inside the halls of Silicon Valley’s most powerful tech giant.
🧠 Who are the careless people?
Sarah Wynn-Williams, a former top policy executive at Facebook, reveals the untold truths about Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, and the leadership culture that fueled a global empire — and its dangerous descent. From data scandals to AI ethics, from Myanmar to Meta, this book uncovers the toxic mix of power, greed, and lost idealism that threatens our digital future.
📘 In this episode, you'll learn:
- Why Facebook changed its name to Meta — and what’s behind the rebrand.
- How personal tragedies collided with corporate chaos.
- The real story behind Facebook’s role in political manipulation, misinformation, and global crises.
- What it’s like to challenge the leadership of a trillion-dollar company from the inside.
👉 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and hit the bell icon for more bestselling books explained in minutes!
📩 Drop your thoughts in the comments: Is Meta redeemable, or have the "careless people" already shaped our future?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to bookcast Bestsellers in minutes, and today we're
tackling Careless People, A Cautionary Tale of power, greed and
Lost Idealism by Sarah win Williams. Oh, that's a mouthful,
it is, it is, but it's worth every syllable. Trust me.
This book climbed the best seller charts for a reason.
It's a first hand look at Facebook, the company, the culture,
(00:21):
the power, all during a period of just explosive growth
and intense scrutiny. We're going to unpack all of that today,
all those juicy bits with me, as always is the
brilliant Sarah who knows this stuff inside and out.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thanks. Always happy to be here, you know, for our listeners,
For those of you who are trying to stay ahead
of the curve and want to grasp those big, complex
ideas quickly but without sacrificing depth, this book is an
absolute must.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Couldn't agree more so, Sarah. Let's jump right in win Williams.
She talks about this Facebook epiphany she had back in
two thousand and nine. She was living in DC at
the time, but she found herself, you know, connecting back
to her life in New Zealand through Facebook.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Right, and back then Facebook it was what maybe four
hundred million users, still sort of seen as you know,
a thing for college kids.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
But she saw something different, didn't she. She saw its potential,
especially in politics, and how it was changing the game.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Absolutely. She gives this example of a New Zealand politician
just sharing these really personal moments online and a friend
of hers who was a newly elected member of parliament
actually engaging with voters.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Directly, and at that time that was pretty revolutionary, this
kind of direct connection between politicians and the public. It
was brand new.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It was uncharted territory and for when Williams, it really
resonated with how she saw the world changing, this interconnectedness,
and she knew she had to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So she decides she wants to work at Facebook. But
it's not like they have a global public policy expert
position just waiting for.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Her, No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
She basically had to invent the role, make the case
for why Facebook needed it.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And her background was interesting. She came from the UN
working on international treaties dealing with global regulations.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Big complex stuff like genetically modified organisms.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And she realized, look as Facebook grows internationally, it's going
to face similar pressures. Governments are going to want to
regulate data, regulate content, and she saw this coming a
mile away.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So she goes into her interview. She sits down with
Martin Levine, and she's laying out this vision, this proactive
approach to shaping these rules before they're forced upon them.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And what was Martin's response.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Why It really highlights the company's focus at that point,
all about product development, getting more users, maybe not fully
grasping the bigger picture, the policy side of things.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But they did hire her.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
They did in July twenty eleven as manager of Global
Public Policy, and she walks into the DC office expecting
the typical corporate setting and it was anything but culture shock.
Total culture shock. Exposed pipes, unfinished concrete, bold colors, almost jarring,
even fake graffiti on the walls, like they were trying
to recreate that Silicon Valley startup vibe in the heart
(02:56):
of DC, and it just felt so out of.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Place, a clash of cultures. And beyond the decor, she
quickly realizes there's no playbook for what she's supposed to
be doing. There are no established procedures for dealing with
foreign governments.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It was a build as you go situation. She was
writing the strategy, crackting the talking points all on the fly.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And it was all happening at breakneck speed because the
company was obsessed with growth.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Growth above all else. Ye, she talks about preparing a
briefing for Sheryl Sandberg and other execs about the upcoming
visit of the Prime Minister of New Zealand, you know,
trying to get them thinking about international relations more strategically.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And that leads us to the Prime Minister's visit and
Mark Zuckerberg's now infamous lack of interest in meeting with him.
That really speaks volumes, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It really does. It shows where his priorities were at
that time, you know, when Williams had spent all this
time organizing the meeting, falling diplomatic protocol, and Zuckerberg just
flat out refused.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
He said, no, I already said I definitely didn't want
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That, point blank. It's a window into that early Facebook mindset.
Product growth that was all that mattered. Diplomatic niceties not
so much.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Then Sheryl Sandberg arrives and it's like a completely different
energy right night.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And day Zuckerberg was dismissive, but Sandberg was charm personified.
She instantly connected with the Prime Minister. She had this
way of making everyone feel at ease.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So different leadership styles, but both extremely active in their
own ways.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Absolutely, But it wasn't just the New Zealand delegation that
had these kind of awkward encounters. Remember the German delegation
and that odd comment from Martin Levine.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh yeah, that was something else.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So they're touring in the office, they see these slogans everywhere,
think wrong, move fast, and break things, which probably already
seemed a bit reckless to them coming from this very
traditional background, right, it was a.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Very different worldview.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And then out of nowhere, marn makes this comment about
being Jewish and then says, I mean I don't bring
that up because of the Holocaust. Just this really strange,
awkward silence.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, you could cut the ten with a knife.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It makes you wonder about the company's cultural awareness or
lack thereof, and their communication style.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Definitely not your typical DC diplomacy. But amidst all of this,
when Williams is trying to lay the ground work for
Facebook's global operations, she's the one who helped develop those
early community guidelines and transparency reports.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Huge undertaking and really foundational. The community guidelines were all
about defining what was acceptable content, setting the boundaries for
user behavior, and the transparency reports were about being more open.
But the pressure's Facebook was facing from governments, like requests
for content removal.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It was about accountability, trying to bring some structure to
this rapidly expanding platform. But even with these efforts, there
were internal disagreements, right like that whole debate about organ donation.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh yeah, that was a fascinating clash of perspectives. Sheryl
Sandberg was pushing for Facebook to get involved in organ donation.
She saw it as this massive opportunity to use their
reach for good to be a megaphone for the cause.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
A noble idea on the surface, but.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
When Williams, coming from her background in international treaties, she
saw all the red flags, the legal issues, the cultural sensitivities,
the ethical implications of Facebook handling this kind of sensitive
health data.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It was two very different ways of looking at the
same issue. One focused on impact, the other on risk exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And then there was the relentless drive for growth the
next billion users that was the Mantra and Javey Olivan.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
He was the guy leading the charge and his trip
to Columbia. That was quite the adventure, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It was He goes to a salsa club late one
night and he's convinced. He sees Hillary Clinton. Just imagine
the energy, the chaos of trying to expand into these
new markets throws at all costs pretty much. And that
leads us to Me and mar which was a whole
different ballgame when Williams goes there and she realizes that
for a lot of people, Facebook is the Internet.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
They skipped the whole desktop computer phase and went straight
to mobile exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So Facebook they had this incredible responsibility, almost like being
a utility, but they weren't really prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And then there's the issue of content moderation. I mean,
how do you even moderate content when you're dealing with
a script like Burmese, which wasn't even in Unicode at
the time.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It was a nightmare. Facebook's automated tools were useless. They
couldn't even identify the words. Imagine trying to find a
needle in a haystack where the haystack is made of
letters that your computer doesn't even recognize.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So how do you stop hate speech? How do you
stop misinformation when you can't even read what people are posting?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That was the million dollar question. And despite all the warnings,
all the reports of hate speech fueling violence, Facebook's response
was just too slow, too little.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Too late, devastating consequences.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Absolutely, they just didn't seem to grasp the severity of
the situation on the ground. Then there's China. Zuckerberg's obsession
with getting Facebook into China.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He saw it as the key to global dominance and
he was willing to make some serious compromises to get there.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
He brought in these big name advisors Kissinger, Hank Pulse
and people like that, and they crafted this value proposition
for the Chinese government, talking about economic benefits, aligning with
the China Dream narrative. And the biggest compromise, the one
that really stood out, was agreeing to store Chinese user
data in China, a complete one hundred and eighty from
(08:21):
their policies everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
When Williams herself had assured governments in other countries that
this would never happen, but in China, different rules applied.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was all about market access, no matter the cost.
And then you have the blocking of Guawangui's content, this
Chinese billionaire who was criticizing the government, a clear.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Case of censorship to appease the Chinese authorities. Freedom of
speech not so much.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
The message was clear, play by our rules or you
don't play it all.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And they even launched these two unauthorized apps in China
trying to sneak their way into the.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Market, desperate measures. When Williams didn't even know about them
until The New York Times started asking questions, just shows
you how badly they wanted to be in. But all
of this it takes a toll on Wyn Williams. She
talks about her health struggles, the pressure, the constant ethical dilemma.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
It's a heavy burden to carry, it really is.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And then there were these incidents of what she perceived
as gender bias, these uncomfortable situations, particularly with someone named.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Joel, unprofessional behavior, crossing boundaries.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It all points to a company culture that wasn't exactly
welcoming to women or to anyone who didn't fit them mold.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And in the end, she tries to be a voice
for change, but her efforts are met with resistance. She's
basically pushed out after a lack of support from Elliott Strage.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The sad ending but not surprising. The system was too entrenched,
the priorities too skewed. She realized she couldn't change it
from within.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And she comes to this conclusion that Facebook's leadership they
operated with this just business mentality, as if that excused everything, as.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
If the consequences, the real world impact, didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A chilling thought. And then you read the epilogue and
you find out that the guy who is causing so
much trouble, he's still there, still climbing the ladder, business
as usual. It's like nothing changed, and it makes you think,
what's the lesson here? What does it say about power,
about accountability, about the tech industry as a whole.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's a cautionary tale, for sure, when Williams in Careless
People has given you our listeners a powerful and unsettling
glimpse into what happens when a company grows too big,
too fast and loses sight of its values.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
This deep dive has been a whirlwind, but hopefully it's
given you some serious food for thought. And remember, if
you want to get the full story, all the juicy details,
pick Up Careless People, a cautionary tale of power, greed,
and lost idealism.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Definitely worth the rate.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And that's it for this episode of book Cast. Remember
bestsellers in minutes so you can get back to the
things that really matter. See you next time.
Welcome back to bookcast Bestsellers in minutes, and today we're
tackling Careless People, A Cautionary Tale of power, greed and
Lost Idealism by Sarah win Williams. Oh, that's a mouthful,
it is, it is, but it's worth every syllable. Trust me.
This book climbed the best seller charts for a reason.
It's a first hand look at Facebook, the company, the culture,
(00:21):
the power, all during a period of just explosive growth
and intense scrutiny. We're going to unpack all of that today,
all those juicy bits with me, as always is the
brilliant Sarah who knows this stuff inside and out.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thanks. Always happy to be here, you know, for our listeners,
For those of you who are trying to stay ahead
of the curve and want to grasp those big, complex
ideas quickly but without sacrificing depth, this book is an
absolute must.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Couldn't agree more so, Sarah. Let's jump right in win Williams.
She talks about this Facebook epiphany she had back in
two thousand and nine. She was living in DC at
the time, but she found herself, you know, connecting back
to her life in New Zealand through Facebook.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Right, and back then Facebook it was what maybe four
hundred million users, still sort of seen as you know,
a thing for college kids.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
But she saw something different, didn't she. She saw its potential,
especially in politics, and how it was changing the game.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Absolutely. She gives this example of a New Zealand politician
just sharing these really personal moments online and a friend
of hers who was a newly elected member of parliament
actually engaging with voters.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Directly, and at that time that was pretty revolutionary, this
kind of direct connection between politicians and the public. It
was brand new.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It was uncharted territory and for when Williams, it really
resonated with how she saw the world changing, this interconnectedness,
and she knew she had to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So she decides she wants to work at Facebook. But
it's not like they have a global public policy expert
position just waiting for.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Her, No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
She basically had to invent the role, make the case
for why Facebook needed it.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And her background was interesting. She came from the UN
working on international treaties dealing with global regulations.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Big complex stuff like genetically modified organisms.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And she realized, look as Facebook grows internationally, it's going
to face similar pressures. Governments are going to want to
regulate data, regulate content, and she saw this coming a
mile away.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So she goes into her interview. She sits down with
Martin Levine, and she's laying out this vision, this proactive
approach to shaping these rules before they're forced upon them.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And what was Martin's response.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Why It really highlights the company's focus at that point,
all about product development, getting more users, maybe not fully
grasping the bigger picture, the policy side of things.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But they did hire her.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
They did in July twenty eleven as manager of Global
Public Policy, and she walks into the DC office expecting
the typical corporate setting and it was anything but culture shock.
Total culture shock. Exposed pipes, unfinished concrete, bold colors, almost jarring,
even fake graffiti on the walls, like they were trying
to recreate that Silicon Valley startup vibe in the heart
(02:56):
of DC, and it just felt so out of.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Place, a clash of cultures. And beyond the decor, she
quickly realizes there's no playbook for what she's supposed to
be doing. There are no established procedures for dealing with
foreign governments.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It was a build as you go situation. She was
writing the strategy, crackting the talking points all on the fly.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And it was all happening at breakneck speed because the
company was obsessed with growth.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Growth above all else. Ye, she talks about preparing a
briefing for Sheryl Sandberg and other execs about the upcoming
visit of the Prime Minister of New Zealand, you know,
trying to get them thinking about international relations more strategically.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And that leads us to the Prime Minister's visit and
Mark Zuckerberg's now infamous lack of interest in meeting with him.
That really speaks volumes, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It really does. It shows where his priorities were at
that time, you know, when Williams had spent all this
time organizing the meeting, falling diplomatic protocol, and Zuckerberg just
flat out refused.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
He said, no, I already said I definitely didn't want
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That, point blank. It's a window into that early Facebook mindset.
Product growth that was all that mattered. Diplomatic niceties not
so much.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Then Sheryl Sandberg arrives and it's like a completely different
energy right night.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And day Zuckerberg was dismissive, but Sandberg was charm personified.
She instantly connected with the Prime Minister. She had this
way of making everyone feel at ease.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So different leadership styles, but both extremely active in their
own ways.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Absolutely, But it wasn't just the New Zealand delegation that
had these kind of awkward encounters. Remember the German delegation
and that odd comment from Martin Levine.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh yeah, that was something else.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So they're touring in the office, they see these slogans everywhere,
think wrong, move fast, and break things, which probably already
seemed a bit reckless to them coming from this very
traditional background, right, it was a.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Very different worldview.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And then out of nowhere, marn makes this comment about
being Jewish and then says, I mean I don't bring
that up because of the Holocaust. Just this really strange,
awkward silence.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, you could cut the ten with a knife.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It makes you wonder about the company's cultural awareness or
lack thereof, and their communication style.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Definitely not your typical DC diplomacy. But amidst all of this,
when Williams is trying to lay the ground work for
Facebook's global operations, she's the one who helped develop those
early community guidelines and transparency reports.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Huge undertaking and really foundational. The community guidelines were all
about defining what was acceptable content, setting the boundaries for
user behavior, and the transparency reports were about being more open.
But the pressure's Facebook was facing from governments, like requests
for content removal.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It was about accountability, trying to bring some structure to
this rapidly expanding platform. But even with these efforts, there
were internal disagreements, right like that whole debate about organ donation.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh yeah, that was a fascinating clash of perspectives. Sheryl
Sandberg was pushing for Facebook to get involved in organ donation.
She saw it as this massive opportunity to use their
reach for good to be a megaphone for the cause.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
A noble idea on the surface, but.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
When Williams, coming from her background in international treaties, she
saw all the red flags, the legal issues, the cultural sensitivities,
the ethical implications of Facebook handling this kind of sensitive
health data.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It was two very different ways of looking at the
same issue. One focused on impact, the other on risk exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And then there was the relentless drive for growth the
next billion users that was the Mantra and Javey Olivan.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
He was the guy leading the charge and his trip
to Columbia. That was quite the adventure, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It was He goes to a salsa club late one
night and he's convinced. He sees Hillary Clinton. Just imagine
the energy, the chaos of trying to expand into these
new markets throws at all costs pretty much. And that
leads us to Me and mar which was a whole
different ballgame when Williams goes there and she realizes that
for a lot of people, Facebook is the Internet.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
They skipped the whole desktop computer phase and went straight
to mobile exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So Facebook they had this incredible responsibility, almost like being
a utility, but they weren't really prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And then there's the issue of content moderation. I mean,
how do you even moderate content when you're dealing with
a script like Burmese, which wasn't even in Unicode at
the time.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It was a nightmare. Facebook's automated tools were useless. They
couldn't even identify the words. Imagine trying to find a
needle in a haystack where the haystack is made of
letters that your computer doesn't even recognize.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So how do you stop hate speech? How do you
stop misinformation when you can't even read what people are posting?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That was the million dollar question. And despite all the warnings,
all the reports of hate speech fueling violence, Facebook's response
was just too slow, too little.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Too late, devastating consequences.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Absolutely, they just didn't seem to grasp the severity of
the situation on the ground. Then there's China. Zuckerberg's obsession
with getting Facebook into China.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He saw it as the key to global dominance and
he was willing to make some serious compromises to get there.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
He brought in these big name advisors Kissinger, Hank Pulse
and people like that, and they crafted this value proposition
for the Chinese government, talking about economic benefits, aligning with
the China Dream narrative. And the biggest compromise, the one
that really stood out, was agreeing to store Chinese user
data in China, a complete one hundred and eighty from
(08:21):
their policies everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
When Williams herself had assured governments in other countries that
this would never happen, but in China, different rules applied.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was all about market access, no matter the cost.
And then you have the blocking of Guawangui's content, this
Chinese billionaire who was criticizing the government, a clear.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Case of censorship to appease the Chinese authorities. Freedom of
speech not so much.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
The message was clear, play by our rules or you
don't play it all.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And they even launched these two unauthorized apps in China
trying to sneak their way into the.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Market, desperate measures. When Williams didn't even know about them
until The New York Times started asking questions, just shows
you how badly they wanted to be in. But all
of this it takes a toll on Wyn Williams. She
talks about her health struggles, the pressure, the constant ethical dilemma.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
It's a heavy burden to carry, it really is.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And then there were these incidents of what she perceived
as gender bias, these uncomfortable situations, particularly with someone named.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Joel, unprofessional behavior, crossing boundaries.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It all points to a company culture that wasn't exactly
welcoming to women or to anyone who didn't fit them mold.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And in the end, she tries to be a voice
for change, but her efforts are met with resistance. She's
basically pushed out after a lack of support from Elliott Strage.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The sad ending but not surprising. The system was too entrenched,
the priorities too skewed. She realized she couldn't change it
from within.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And she comes to this conclusion that Facebook's leadership they
operated with this just business mentality, as if that excused everything, as.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
If the consequences, the real world impact, didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A chilling thought. And then you read the epilogue and
you find out that the guy who is causing so
much trouble, he's still there, still climbing the ladder, business
as usual. It's like nothing changed, and it makes you think,
what's the lesson here? What does it say about power,
about accountability, about the tech industry as a whole.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's a cautionary tale, for sure, when Williams in Careless
People has given you our listeners a powerful and unsettling
glimpse into what happens when a company grows too big,
too fast and loses sight of its values.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
This deep dive has been a whirlwind, but hopefully it's
given you some serious food for thought. And remember, if
you want to get the full story, all the juicy details,
pick Up Careless People, a cautionary tale of power, greed,
and lost idealism.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Definitely worth the rate.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And that's it for this episode of book Cast. Remember
bestsellers in minutes so you can get back to the
things that really matter. See you next time.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!