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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Welcome into the first episode of the Boston Handicappers Podcast.
It's actually it's actual episode number two, but it is
our first there fair enough, it's it is our power
for preview episode. We're gonna be discussing today the SEC,
the Big Ten, the Big twelve, and of course my
favorite conference in the fucking planet, the a SEC, which

(01:01):
which again, if you've listened to me at all in
the past four years to consume any of my media,
I think the ACC sucks. However, I think it might
be better this year. How about that. I'm positive on
the ACC.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Guys unloaded on ACC plays to the gills, some positive,
some negative. I think I've I mean, I haven't tallied
it up, but I think I have more plays on
the ACC than any conference right now.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
That's good because I have one. I have one and
it's not even a season, I have two.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I have two a CC plays. I have two points,
one point that I really really like and one poay
that I like. So we'll delfely discuss those. But let's uh,
let's start. So here's what we're gonna do. We're just
gonna start with a conference. We're gonna discuss some things
that we like. I'm gonna go first because I'm I'm hosting.
I'm gonna tell you the first thing that I like
on the show, because of course, and then we'll go
from there and at the end we'll pick a champion

(01:50):
and yeah, I think that's and do you and if
they're gonna make playoff, I think that's really simple. SEC
is obviously yes, So I don't even think we need
to ask that question. Let's start. I'm gonna go. Number
one win total in the SEC that I love right
now that is still available for everyone is Ole miss
under eight and a half. I think this team fucking

(02:11):
blows and that is to be that is as nice
as I can possibly make it. They lose Jackson Dart,
who is probably one of the best quarterbacks in the
entire country, had a nearly seventy percent completion percentage and
now they bring in Austin Simmons, who is like, at best,
he's maybe fifty percent of that. They lose three their
top four wide receivers, including Trey Harris, who was an

(02:34):
absolute superstar. Well I think is an absolute. He was
a stud you know, I know. They brought in Treylan
Ray from West Virginia. He was okay. Deshaun Stribbling from
Oklahoma State, he was good. I liked him a ct
you obviously that And and Harrison Wallace was the number
number one guy Penn State. I gotta think he sucked,

(02:55):
but whatever, he his metrics ranked really well. They're okay.
But and the tight end they got Lukas coming in,
uh for titand again they're okay. But in general, I
mean they they're gonna have a massive drop off there
just from all the guys they lost, including Trey Harris.
The offensive line decimated. Uh lose five of their top seven.

(03:15):
I mean, to me, that's it. Pettis the five of
the top seven excuse me, graduated. Petis transferred. So the
only returning guy who has any sort of experience there
is Diego Pounds. He's the only returning starter. He sucks.
I mean, they just they don't have any talent. They
brought in a couple of guys. Townsend from U A. B.
He has like a seven hundred snaps he kind of
and coudis from from Arkansas. He sucks running back. They

(03:36):
lose I mean, they lose Lane and Bentley, or they
lose excuse me, Bentley. He graduates. I mean, like, so,
so that's gone. They're gonna take the Offensively, they're gonna
take a massive step back. They lose an elite quarterback,
they lose elite wide receivers, they lose almost their offense,
their entire offensive line. They just they don't return anything there. Defensively,
last year they brought in a ship ton of dudes

(03:57):
on a defensive line. Well, they lost the ship ton
of dudes. The only started they had back on the
defensive line this year is sun Terrain Perkins, who has
been He's okay. They brought in a couple of dudes, TJ. Dudley,
Jamarius Brown, Chris Graves. They're all back. They brought in
the human laning kid from Nebraska, who's pretty good, I'll
give him that, and the Wo Mackett from mess LSU.
But they're not as good. They're not as deep as

(04:18):
last year. They lose Chris Paul Jr. In the line
backing room. They're okay there. They brought in a couple
of dudes, but they're missing a lot of upside. And
the secondary, the entire starting secondary is gone, Amos, Washington, Saunders, Kennedy,
Hamilton Banks, more turnage. Every single one of those dudes
is gone, I think except for Chris Graves. Graves Chris
Graves had one hundred and eighty seven snaps last year. Guys,

(04:40):
he is their only returning guy in the secondary. So
they are just I mean, they're just brutal, man. They
just they're basically taking a year off. They have a
ton of turnover offensively, no offensive line. The defensive lines
is in a much worse situation. The secondary is brutal.
They have a great coach. I love the coach. They
had an great Florida class.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, he feels feels like he was sleepwalking this offseason,
in my opinion, I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
He kind of slept. They kind of slept walk at
the end of last year. To the way they finished
the year was was brutal.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Finish.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
To take them out of the College Football Playoff was
what was it the Florida lost for one.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it took him out right. That was that was
It was just November twenty third, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yes they were.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
They were thirteen point favorites at Florida and lost by
a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, and it was really mostly a non competitive the game.
They got a late touchdown that game to make it
look better than it was. Jules ave you remember, but they're.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Just Yeah, they're his partner, and I mean the cut
you off.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
But he couldn't do it with that team last year
with all the talent in the world, and you lose
those games, you can't make the playoff.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
I just don't see it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
With how you get Simmons walking in here to be
the trigger man, I'm with you. I haven't got to
the wind though, but I I like your side there.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, they won what they went nine and three
last year, like they went nine and three, they were
zero and three and one score games they couldn't they
were elite, you know, turnover wise, like they got you know,
elite turnover a situation. I just I don't see it, man.
Their schedule is brutal. You know, they have Arkansas, who
I think is wildly underrated. LSU, who I think will

(06:12):
talk about them they're underrated. Then they have to go
at Georgia, at Oklahoma, South Carolina, Florida, and Mississippi State,
which has been a terrible game from the last couple
of years. They've struggled versus that team, no matter the talent,
it's just the rivalry game they always talk by and
well Mississippi State's also off of by so I mean
they just I don't Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida. In my opinion,

(06:35):
our loss is there. I don't think they're beating LSU.
I think there's a real chance they lose at Kentucky
or Arkansas. I don't think this team has anywhere close
to I think they win six seven games. I think
this team not sucks, but they're borderline a good mid
level SEC team. They're certainly not great, and I think
teams like South and South Carolina, who has an elite quarterback,

(06:57):
is just gonna fucking do just damage to them. So
I don't see where their wins come in. I think
I think they're probably a six seven win team. I'm
way under on Mississippi State.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I'll just quickly react like CT did. I for the
most part, agree with you. I might play at safer
and just lay some juice on them not to make
the playoff, because they're not even a crazy price like
minus one nine to not make the playoff. I would
almost rather do that than the win total just to
give like yes, Devil's advocate against dan. Like, let's say

(07:28):
they beat LSU on September twenty seventh. They could start
six and oh, Georgia State at Kentucky who stinks, Arkansas
at home, too, Lane at home, LSU at home, by
Washington State at home.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Let's say they start six and oh.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Sure, then you start squirming a little bit with an
under eight and a half ticket. Now they go to
Georgia and Oklahoma back to back. Those are losses.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, they're gonna get well.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
South Carolina and they have the Citadel, which is a
win at Mississippi State. I know that's a tough rival
road game, but Mississippi State stinks. Let's give them that win.
Like the South Carolina and Florida games are at home. Sure,
but it's split them and do that six and oh start.
Then they're nine and three. But we saw a nine
and three Alabama team last year and the SEC miss

(08:10):
the playoff, Like their ceiling is nine and three.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
That is, there's why they're absolute ceiling.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, but I think they could be a nine and
three team that would have no shot at the playoff.
So I would go about it by laying the one
ninety or so on the miss the playoff. But I
don't like if ceiling is nine, I'm not arguing with
your eight and a half. I'm just going like absolute limit.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
No, I get it. I actually don't think it's a
it's it's a bad point at all, Jewels to be
To be honest.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
I don't think it's bad. We're starting off for a
good note, all right.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
But no, no playoff. And right now in Bookmaker four
one one is minus one ninety five. No, that's that's
the price right now. My thing about the schedule. The
other thing I'm thinking about the schedule, Jewel is when
I kind of when I love the under the note.
The South Carolina game comes after Oklahoma and Georgia back
to back, so they're gonna be off Oklahoma and Georgia
with South Carolina at home. They're gonna be bang the

(09:02):
fuck up from the last two weeks on the road,
coming back home facing a quarterback who is just ridiculous.
I mean, whatever you think about South Carolina, Leonora Sellers
is phenomenal, and the defense is horrible, and they're coming
off Georgia and Oklahoma. I think that's a even those
games at home, that's a spot I've circled. I'm gonna
betting South Carolina in that game. No now, I feel

(09:22):
very strongly, with pretty strong conviction, that South Carolina wins
that game, and then I will gladly take Florida whatever
the number is, if you want to, If you're telling
me right now that Florida is a small favorite in
that game, I will absolutely lay the shit out of
it with Florida in that game. I just that will
just be an absolutely insane stretch for them. They'll have
you know, four out of uh or sorry, four yeah,

(09:44):
four out of five games just with their best opponents
on the schedule, and if they if they beat LSU,
which I think is a very difficult situation for them
to do. If they beat LSU, I'll just add more
on the live win total because I'm sure by then
he'll probably nine and a half, ten and a half,
and you'll add more.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
So they're not getting over nine yeah, that's actually that's
a good live in season if they do.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I agree, get off to that strong start. I agree,
But I think I think it doesn't matter. The gay
and app is just a you know, I think it's
free money honestly, which I don't say often.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
But it's just hard looking at this roster thinking that
it's a playoff team.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, I like almost want to lay as a team.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
We'll talk about that when we get off, and we
probably will, honest.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean, but look, we we might we might need to.
We might need to start putting things out like that.
I mean, I don't minus tought our first thing, but
we don't do it right the second. We can think
we can think about it anyway anyone.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
End of the podcast we can, okay, well yeah, yeah,
the podcast.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Roster Simmons and with Lane and you know.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
He he's at the SEC media today, Dan saying that
you know, he's been fishing all summer.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, it's just tough. It's just tough.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
And I know how he plays his tricks and everything
like that, but man, I just don't I just don't
see it.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
A lot of new faces to bring in a lot
of new faces.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Sorry, Ole miss.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Jules, what's what we want from O mess? Tell me
what you like in the sec give me, give me
your play right now?

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well, you guys know who my team is, right Who's
my team? Bama? So of course I'm going to Georgia.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, good because okay where I'm going with Bama? So
all right, I know you And I'm not gonna push
back on Bama either. And I think I have a
bet that I'll eventually get to with Bama. But I'm
going over nine and a half with Georgia and it's
minus one seventy and I have no problem doing that.
They are a consistent ten and a half. I feel
like we're getting a discount this year because they don't

(11:34):
have the prime time talent, but they have the talent,
like they just recycle the guys. And I have no
problem with Gunner Stockton preparing to be the starter for
the year. You're gonna get a little more mobile at
the quarterback position, which we saw when he came in
for Carson Beck in some of those games. Now do
you guys, do you guys know the last time Georgia

(11:55):
lost a home game.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, it's years, isn't it? Years? Is correct?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
They've won thirty one in a row at home. The
last time they lost at home was a double overtime
game in October of twenty nineteen to South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
So they have Bama and Texas five years, four or
five years.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
So last year they go under ten and a half
win total, they win. They go ten and two. They
have a gauntlet on the road. They had to play
at Bama, crazy game, and they almost came back.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Almost came back and won that game. That was at All.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Miss they lost, and they won their toughest toughest quote
unquote road game. There were five point dogs they closed
at Texas. They dominated that game. They won by fifteen points.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Game.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
All of those teams at home. This season, they play
three sec road games.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
They're a touchdown favorite at Tennessee, touchdown favorite at Auburn
and at Mississippi State please.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
And the the Florida neutral.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
So they have the neutral Jacksonville game Florida. That's another
seven point spread.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's a home game for Florida. It's like what like
half an.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Hour from the Yeah, but like I get, it's right
in everybody's neighborhood. It's in everybody's neck of the woods
and then the other neutral game is Georgia Tech.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Georgia Tech, which was Aro. What was that eight over.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Eight overtime game we were at We stayed for Encore,
Chris and I read on Encore for that game.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, I rejecting and the dogs. Yeah, I'm projecting under
eight over times this time around.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
So they're favored in all twelve games. Uh, they're closest spreads. Again,
those are the tough road games. Last year, they are
four point favorite. I'm just going off DraftKings numbers. Four
four point favorite against BAM at home, two and a
half point favorite against Texas at home.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
I'm ready to lay that one's with Georgia.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I think you should just wait that number gets better.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's I'll wait, well will it? Because I we all have.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Our thoughts on Texas' what's discussed the schedule.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, we'll get there.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
But yeah, I like so where I'm going through the schedule,
where there are the three losses for Georgia to put
us under here, Like, are they gonna have hiccups because
they're favored in twelve games. I'm not telling you they're
gonna go twelve and zero. They're gonna drop some, but
I could see it more being like an ad Auburn
with Auburn off a bye rather than again like will

(14:18):
they lose a home game this year? Will it happen
for the first time in six years? Maybe Alabama and
Texas are good, but if they don't, if they protect
home field there, I don't think they're gonna drop two
road games. I don't think they're gonna lose AD Auburn
and Tennessee. So if they lose one and they lose
one of these neutral games to Georgia Tech and Florida,

(14:38):
split both of those, now you're ten and two. I
just have a really hard time getting to nine, which
is what you need to lose. And again you have
to have a hard time if you're laying minus one seventy.
But I'm I'm in Georgia's a team that year after year.
I think they should be, you know, ten and a
half minus one forty to the under as they are
every year, and we're getting nine and a half this year.

(15:00):
So I will take what I am. I am you
know saying is a gift. We don't we don't get nines.
Nine and a half's on on Georgia.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
CEO yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with your your breakdown.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I just don't know what we saw in that playoff game,
Dan with Stockton like, and I get it right because
Carson Beck was the same way. Everybody was worried about
him when when he was going to get his opportunity,
and and he did great in his first year.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
They also don't have to play anybody as good as
that Notre Dame team away from home.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
You're right, and you're right.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know, you get Texas at home, you get Bam
at home. Uh, you get Old Miss at home. I mean, yeah,
the home games are are very favorable. It's just not
a team that I'm laying minus one seventy on personally.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
That's all I feel.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I feel like the way they don't get over nine
and a half is the home win streak comes to
an end.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, I think, I think, I think, I think that's
that's exactly what I'd be looking.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean, Bam, Dan, I mean, I know you're thinking this,
but Bama has owned them the last ten games they've played.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Then I get the home factor.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's my concern.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
So I'll get into Bama here in a second.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Butt that that's that's My concern is that they lose
to either Bama or Texas at home, because I look
at it like this, I think they're gonna smoke Tennessee.
I don't think that's gonna be a super competitive game.
The game at Auburn is tricky, but like it's it's
actually the game.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
So if they let's say Bama and Auburn are both
losses now on October eleventh, you have two losses and
you have to win out. Yeah, it's all miss at
home Florida neutral at Mississippi State, Texas at home Charlotte,
Georgia Tech neutral. They would have to win out on those.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah. So again, I don't I don't think. I don't
think they're gonna lose to Auburn. I know Auburn's better
this year. I know they're improved. I still don't think
they're quite as good. I the way I'm looking at
and evaluating Georgia, I think they're gonna take a step
back from last year. Like defensively, I think they take
a step back. They'll be finding the line, the linebacker
spot fine in the secondary, but they're replacing like a
like a shit ton of dudes on the defensive line.
They're basically basically they're entired of line, which is brutal.

(17:01):
Now they have five star recruits everywhere. They're super talented.
You know that is so who knows that? That's kind
of the thing is like, this is kind of the
most unknown Georgia team that we've seen in a long time.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
So you're playing to have him ready with this unknown
and off the I'm using air quotes again disappointing eleven
and three season where they win the SEC and beat
Texas twice.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Like. So, so here's what I'm saying, Jules, instead of
playing the minus nine over nine and a half minus
one seventy, why not just play the minus two and
a half against Texas. I think that's I think you
need to win. You're gonna need to win that Texas game.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
My guess is guess what I'm gonna lay to and
a half?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Right, But I'm just I'm saying, instead of play you
you gave me the alternate round, I'm giving you the
alternate route. I think told me down. All right, So
so jewels in for the over nine hours Georgia. I'll
play host.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Why don't you guys move on to Bamah.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I'll tell you the one thing, the one sneaky thing
on Georgia's schedule. I'm telling you this year, the ones
no one's talking about is the Florida game. Florida's game.
I like that Florida, Florida. Florida's good.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Are we talking about Florida and you have plays on Florida.
I don't have anything on Florida because I think Florida's good.
I'm not going over seven and a half, but they
are a team that I'm gonna bet on a lot
home dog against Texas, uh laying like I know. At DraftKings,
we opened it two and a half against Tennessee. It's
up to four, which I totally agree with.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
I played.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
The only book, only book that put up the look
ahead on that was DraftKings Sports Book.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
I wish that I put that out because I played.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
I played three on that good good.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Three is fine, two and ha a better. Three's fine.
It's up to four. But yeah, that uh, that's what
I love for Florida.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
But yeah, partner, I'm gonna go into my play, my
favorite play in the SEC if you don't mind here, uh,
and that's Alabama over nine and a half wins. I
played minus one oh eight. I've been talking to you
three about this team for a couple of weeks. Now,
I like to tide quite a bit this year, and
you know, after they miss the playoff last year, I

(19:02):
think the boor and a company that they have a
point to make. I think they're going to deliver. I mean,
he brings back his old friend Ryan Grubb. He was
the O C from from Washee who helped developed Michael Pennix.
And I think it was a great move, you know,
having probably now you have Ty Simpson most likely is

(19:22):
going to be the starting quarterback and he's in his
i think his fourth year in the system.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
There.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Grub's going to be calling the plays with the help
of Nick Sheridan. I think they're going to be able
to both develop him as a capable passer. Whether it's
Simpson or the sophomore Mac or the five star freshman
key On Russell. I think we all know it's it's
probably gonna be Simpson. You know, everybody's like, okay, you know,
where's who's this guy Simpson? Okay, Well, you know Simpson

(19:52):
was a top five quarterback in his twenty to twenty
twenty two high school class I've been in the system
for a while. While he's capable, probably gonna be the
guy here. They have one of the most talented wide
out rooms in the game, if not the best, with
Ryan Williams Bernard nice pick up in the portal there
with Isaiah Horton from Miami. I think the running back
room is gonna be a lot better. George, George, I

(20:14):
forgot him, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Jim Miller, he was leading rusher. He's back for a
senior year. O line solid.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Proctor is an absolute pro one of the best pass
blockers in the in the entire country. And the defense,
they were turned a ton of starters, right, they were
turned a bunch of guys that they were worried that
we're either gonna get in the portal or turn pro.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
So they got these guys back. They came in.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
They obviously believe in the bar here. Outside of the
Van game last year, I thought I thought the defense
was pretty decent, Like I didn't think that like all
the games that they lost were on the road. Uh.
And now you get back all this talent and you
know these veterans on that side of the ball, expect
them to be very solid there.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
I like the bor as a coach. You know, he
brought a much.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Less talented team that's not hard to argue with in
Washington to the national title game. UH in his second year.
He knows the expectations are high here in Tuscaloosa. UH,
and he needs a liver, you know.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Like I said, all four losses last year on the.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Road, including the Bowl game, which is kind of a
throwaway game when they lose to Michigan. Here, you're gonna
be favored in every single game except for against Jules's
dogs here. And that they've owned them, like I said,
they've owned them. They beat him the last nine games
out of out of ten. And you know your home games,
you get the balls at home, l SU at home,
Oh you at home? Probably at worst split between Tennessee

(21:45):
the game Cops and Lure gonna see after losing to
take I'm trying to you know, I know you always
want to be to say that they're rolling. You know,
I'm gonna run the table here outside of outside of Georgia.
But I I do think that I played over nine
and a half wins here, guys. I also I'll give

(22:05):
you three plays so because I played them all I
played them to win the SEC plus four seventy five
for a half a unit, and I played them for
a half a unit to win the National Championship plus
twelve fifty, so Bama over nine and a half dan
minus one away plus four seventy five to win the
SEC and plus twelve fifty to win the Natty half
a unit each.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
On the SEC and the National Championship if they if
they were to go down at Georgia, I think the
next toughest spot would be at South Carolina after they
destroyed Tennessee and that kind of revenge spot. But now
you're still at ten, and if they were to lose
at South Carolina, I like, I don't see him losing
the rest of the way. I got LSU, Oklahoma, Eastern
Illinois all at home, and then you close out at Auburn.

(22:47):
Iron bol can always be tough. But if they've already
dropped that game to South Carolina and they missed the
playoffs at at with nine wins last year, they're going
to emphasize getting to ten. So I cannot push back
with you, even with my my Georgia play. And the
one other thing that I'll add, I'll be really quick
on Bama other than adding Grub to Debor, which is

(23:09):
a huge, Like, that's kind of the combo that kind
of adds to everything a huge Jalen Milroe wasn't Debor's guy, Like,
that's not his type of Pennix quarterback. Not that Ty
Simpson is a Pennix talent, but that's more of, you know,
the type of quarterback that that coaching staff is gonna
thrive with. So the only thing that I'll throw out

(23:29):
that we talked about recently is the Drafting sports book
does have a double market to win the Heisman and
the Natty. If you are going to bet Ty Simpson
at a thirty to one number to win the Heisman,
that means you're looking at an eleven ish win Bama team.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Now they're a title contender.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Just combine the two, it's two hundred to one on
Drafting Sportsbook. If you're gonna bet Ty Simpson to win
the Heisman, just bet the combo where Simpson wins the
Heisman and Bama win wins it all at two hundred
to one, and then you're gonna have that two hundred
to one ticket in your pocket after Simpson would have
win it and you're going into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
My only concern with this is that Simpson doesn't end
up being the quarterback in that situation and end up
going with someone like Max, because Matt that's his guy, Like,
I don't think that's gonna happen. But that's this guy from.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Walking the five Star. I mean, I'm not ruling him
out either.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Right, And I was gonna say or Russell, like I think.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
They if you're going to play a Simpson Heisman ticket,
is what I'm saying, because then that that would lose anyway.
So if you're going to lose the thirty to one,
make it a two hundred to one loser.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, No, I got it. I under I understand the
I understand the concept there. I think that you're asking
for a lot then though, because with the with the playoffs,
I mean just when just when the Heisman you win
Heisman jels, You know what I mean is when you
win the Heisland.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
That thirty to one is boring. Two hundred to one.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I get it, I get it. You're a jewel Jewels
wants jewels, jeweles wants a new deck. Yeah, jewels, another one.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
That's that's a two union play for me, Dan over
nine and a half ons.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
So I so I like them. My My only concern
is the quarterback. That's it there. If they're good at quarterback,
they're gonna win. Like the defense is so much fucking
better than last year. I don't think anyone's really talking
about how much better they are. The linebacker spot kind
of sucks, and the safety spot kind of sucks, but
the defensive line is basically everyone's back. They kind of

(25:15):
sucked last year, which means they're gonna be getting after
it this year much better. The quarnerback spot is elite,
probably top five in the country right there. I mean,
the offensive line is is good, the running back serviceable.
Like the schedule is just cream pie, like at Florida
At Florida State is one of their tougher games. That's

(25:35):
that's one of their tougher games in their schedules at
Florida State. I don't know if they're gonna Okay, yeah,
I disagree with that, but I think because I think
it's a new quarter of brand new quarterback. It's like
a freshman rookie quarterback essentially, I think that's not annihilation,
but they're gonna beat them. They're gonna win, especially Florida State, Monroe,
Wisconsin win win, win off of byas Georgia. I mean,

(25:57):
I don't know what happens there is off of by
the right. No, they're both up bye. Yeah, but that George,
so I don't know that. That's the only one I say.
I don't know Vandy after last year. They're going to
kill them. I fully believe that I have circled that
spot at Miszoo. Look, I like Miszoo, but come on,
Tennessee at home is gonna be You want to talk

(26:17):
about natural disaster, that's a natural disaster. They're gonna fucking
kill them. My concern is the South Carolina game. That's
a very trappy game, very trappy game for them. They're
off the bye, they got LSU Oklahoma, who I think
both of those teams are really good. They lost to
Oklahoma last year, right, so that's kind of what that's
kind of revenge.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
They have so many revenge spots on the schedule.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
So the game, I'm telling you, I'm worried about Georgia,
I'm worried about South Carolina, and I'm worried about l
s U. Those are three games I look at and
say I'm lot worried about that. I think they're gonna
be going the Auburn and think they're gonna fucking kill them.
As long as they win those three games, I think
they go over because I think l s U they're
and they're not gonna be looking past LSU. But that
Oklahoma game is gonna be just fucking their eyes gonna

(27:03):
be lighting up for that game. I know it. The
all two games off of bye, it's at home. They
get those two games back to back. I'm gonna give
Bama the benefit of the doubt. I think they'll go over.
I lean I definitely have a strong lean over. I
agree if you like the over, you got to play
them to win the SEC. I think they are, in
my opinion, the best team in the SEC. Quarterback pending,
you know what I mean. Yep, And I think they're

(27:25):
one hundred percent of title contender. I think if you're
you're crazy to think they're not a title contender. I
think they win nine games. I think even still, I
think I still think they get in. I think they
get in the playoffs. I think the Big ten and
we'll talk about them, is way down, way down this year.
So I think I think you're gonna see more SEC
teams this year. I think Bama'd get in the playoffs
is really, really, really strong. That schedule is phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
I think we should go to one that all all
three of us arend I was gonna.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Say, what what, let's talk about it, Let's talk about
Tennessee because this team, this team's gonna fucking suck. I
don't I don't know an another way to put it.
I think this team is in serious, serious trouble this year.
I know Josh Heipel has been phenomenal. I get it.
I think he's a great offensive coach. But they louse.
They basically trade Nico Iamaliava for Joey Aguilar. That's the worst.

(28:16):
That's the worst trade you can make in college football.
I don't know if that's horrible. I mean, I'm not
even a Nico guy, and that's still that's so bad.
Aguilar was a was an app State kid.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't expect to see that highlighting offense. That don't
expect to see it.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
He's an app State kid. Like like, he's a good kid. Yeah,
I like the court. I like him. He's a quarterback.
He's not a top tier SEC quarter. But that's a disaster.
I just I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I'll give you numbers though. With Hendon Hooker they averaged
well over forty points per game, number one offense in
the country. But luka Joe Milton right around thirty two points,
they were a top thirty offense in the country. And
then with Nico uh they were right up thirty two
to thirty three points per game, top thirty offense in
the country. That's all gonna go away, and they're losing.

(29:02):
By the way, we're talking about quarterback. They're losing the
SEC offensive player of the year yep, which was Dylan Samson,
the running back.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
YEP.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
He had over sixteen hundred yards and twenty two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Arguably gone the best running back with their.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Top three pass catchers. So Hipels had his guy at
quarterback the whole time around. And now that guy goes
away for an app State kid that sure we like him.
App State kid that goes to UCLA that now gets
thrown into the SEC because Nico leaves for UCLA. The
only pushback I can give is the schedule. I wish

(29:38):
they had a harder schedule, and they don't. But they're
at Alabama loss at Florida. We love, we love Florida
there as we as we talked about. I think Oklahoma
at home is tricky and obviously they have Georgia at
home if they If you lose those four, you're under
Even if we throw the Oklahoma when O you're at nine,

(30:00):
you you're afforded one slip up spot. I don't believe
with this offense that you're not gonna slip up once.
That's it's that's the full handicap.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Just to just to give you an idea of how
big the drop off is between Nico and and Aguilar. Right,
Like Nico had an elite a dot last year. He
was he had a top ten, top fifteen eight dot.
Aguilar isn't top Fifty's why the big time throws. The
turnover worthy plays last year was massive. It's a massive,

(30:36):
massive differential between those hits.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
They're just not gonna be able to score the sec
He's good.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Aguilar is a fine court. I think he'll be fine,
but he doesn't have upside or the floor that Nico had.
You mentioned it, You mentioned it, Jules, like Brue McCoy's gone,
Dante Thornton's gone. Score Ala hit the portal, so that
they're fucked. Brazil is their best top wide receiver and
he led the SEC and drop percentage, so like that
that's a problem. They didn't bring anyone really good in
the portal, like they're just a bunch of young kids.

(31:04):
Brayln Stanley Is the former four star, was good, Mike
Matthews the former five stars. Like they're gonna see the
field off, but you have you have no idea.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
What you're gonna get out of them.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
You know, they they have the tight end. They have
the tight end, but he Killsman wasn't great. They bring
Ethan Davis whatever, the offensive line. They lose four or
five and six of their top seven. I mean that
that to me is it. They lost their quarterback, they
lost their top three wide receivers, they lost six of
the last it's all miss two point zero, except they
have a really good defense, their defense, and they lost
Sampson who was their engine and basically did everything from them.

(31:34):
They get Star Thomas from fucking Duke and Peyton Lewis
lives of pedigree, but I mean they're just it's brutal.
You lose everything there, You lose a blue chip quarterback,
NFL caliber running back, top three wide receivers, and basically
your entire offensive line. They're I mean, they're gonna be bad.
It just doesn't matter who. It doesn't matter how good
you are the defensive line. They lose James Pierce, I

(31:56):
mean an NFL first round pick or what first round,
second not I can't remember what is actly what it was,
but anyway, stud right, I think he was first round
pick to Atlanta, I remember correctly, but stud there, Like,
I mean, they're they're gonna be good still, and they
lose the Brooks at the safety spot, They're gonna be good.
They're gonna be really good defensively still, there's still a
lot of talent they're you know, they're they're gonna be
really really, really good. But offensively they suck. I'm telling

(32:20):
you right now, guys, I'm just telling you they're gonna
lose a game that you're gonna go, what the fuck
They're gonna lose Mississippi State or Kentucky or Florida or
Vanderbilt or Arkansas. They're gonna lose one of those games
or two of those games.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
There should be a bad loss in there.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I think they're I think they're a five six win
football team. I don't know if they're a bold team.
I don't know if they're a bold team. Being honest.
At Alabama, Oklahoma at Florida, I mean, those are three
losses right there. Georgia, of course, those are four losses
right there, So they're under eight and a half. Those
are four losses in my opinion, even if they win

(32:54):
one of those games, they're probably not beating Arkansas at
Kentucky Van Bill. They're probably dropping one of those games.
And I'll say this, I think Syracuse on the neutral
site might scare the ship of them. Now, Syracuse is
real bad. They lost it. They lost a ton too,
and the Tennessee defense probably beats them. But I'm just
saying like, this is a team that can't, that might

(33:17):
not be able to score points this year. I'm just
I'm way down on this team I played. I think
it was like minus three hundred for them not to
make the playoffs. I don't care. I think that. I
think that numbers. Yeah, minus three eighty now I think
it was my I played minus three thirty. That number
is wicked short. I there's a there's almost zero percent
chance that they're gonna have a top twenty five win, Like,

(33:37):
I just don't see if they have won, then they
have won. But they're just not good. They're not gonna
be good enough to make the playoffs. They have the
Joey Aguilars is it from app State guys app State
to the top of the SEC Like, I just come on,
let's just let's be serious about where we're where we're
going here, like that's it's all.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Say one quick thing. We could put Tennessee to bed here.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Because I think this is probably a team bet because
Jeweles and I bet this a couple of months ago
because were heavy of us to dinner, went out to dinner.
We bet under eight and a half minus one ten.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think you guys said everything great, but yes you're
right Dan. Defense returns, I think seven or eight starters.
H that's gonna be their strength. Secondary is legit has
some dudes, which is gonna help. The d has gotten
better every season on the Hypel, which is kind of
wild because he's such an offensive minded guy. I didn't
get better this The offense is just not The offense

(34:26):
isn't there this year, and I don't think they're gonna
be able to score enough. Uh, and there's just too
much change with this team and you can't dish go
for for Aguilar. So under eight and a half is
a play. I think it's probably a team play, even
with where it's juice right now.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, i'd lay it, honestly, I would probably lay it
up to minus one ninety. That probably be my my
my feelings. I don't the first team bet of well whatever,
I think I we are, we gonna just are be
giving that out right now.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
I think we all bet it.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yes, perfect, love it, first team bet. I love it
to Tennessee under eight and a half wins. I mean
if they if they make the playoffs, man by all
means like they win nine games. I mean, by all
means like good, good for them. I don't know what else.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Too, So I don't that's great.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I don't see either. All right, Uh, Jules, I'll move
on to you any anything else in the SEC that
you really like?

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Here, I'm gonna squeeze one more in.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
It was one of my smaller plays, but I did
play again my overs, I guess or juicy in the SEC.
I did play Oklahoma over six and a half minus
one seventy. I feel like you guys don't have quite
as many thoughts here, or maybe you'll push back against me,
but I.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Have some thoughts going.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Okay, this team went six and six last year without
an offense. They went from freshman quarterback to freshman quarterback.
They played games where their top five wide receivers were
out this crazy, and they didn't have much of an
offensive line. So now you bring in John Mattier from
Washington State. I'm not going to say that he's getting
way too much love for Heisman, but that's a capable,

(35:53):
veteran quarterback that is going to be an improvement.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Along with the offensive coordinator Ben Arbuckle, you have.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
An offensive core. Now you have a more experienced offensive line.
Based on who you're getting back and who you've transferred in. Uh,
you get Jade not veteran good running back from Cal
and the receivers are healthy more notably Burks, who transferred
in from Purdue but misstate games last year. So as
long as they don't have the shit storm of injuries

(36:20):
at wide receiver you're playing without your top five last year,
they're way more capable and they only play what is
it three sec road games? I think it is at
Alabama loss at South Carolina at Tennessee, those are tough games,
so I don't I don't think they're necessarily gonna win
one of those.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Maybe at Tennessee. We don't like Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Some of us think they're gonna fucking kill Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Okay, so some of us.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Don't think that's gonna be competitive game.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Let's give him, Let's give him one and two there.
I'll probably bet him at Tennessee. But the early swing
games Michigan Week two. I know you and I Dan
have both bet them in that game. Michigan will get
to the Big ten next and give our thoughts, but yeah, gimme.
I played h Oklahoma minus won thirty money line against Michigan.
That's the primetime game week two. I love that game.

(37:05):
I'm gonna be all over Oklahoma when I am able
to be all over Oklahoma in that game. But I
have bet them Texas. They're getting ten and a half,
nine and a half in that game. We don't like,
we don't love Texas. We haven't done much on Texas
in this SEC segment, which I'm now realizing we probably
should have to.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
But yeah, Oklahoma, I have.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
A really difficult time thinking that they don't improve by
one win with what they have gained this year.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
They also brought in like the other thing is that jewels.
They brought in a ton of kids on wide receiver
on the transfer portal, like they brought Yeah, it's just
Joseiah and I and Satanga from Callen, Arkansas. They brought
in three tight ends like so they're all like different
types of tight ends. I think they're gonna need to
figure out like who can step up in the wide
receiver room because they have a very weird room there,

(37:56):
but the tier is mobile. That obviously always helps your targets.
I wonder how much the room is going to improve,
but they have to improve to a point. They bring
back four or five in the offensive line. They signs
gonna be way they sucked last year. They're gonna be
better like the games. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
The defense, by the way, returns eight starters. The defense
was not an issue last year. Yeah, and Venables obviously
coming from Clemson decordinating he's going to have the defense
under control, and he did last year. Mind you, they
gave up three points to Alabama, who was playing for
a college football playoff spot.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Towards the end of the year. The defense is going
to be fine.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I trust the offensive upgrades enough to lay minus one
seventy that they will improve by a win this season.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I not to mention. I mean, the thing that's not
really being talked about is bringing in Arbuckle, who was
fucking awesome at Washington State last year.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I thought that quarterback oh coordinator combine. Bringing in always
kind of maybe does you a little better.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I mean I thought they I thought Washington State might
win two or three games last year, and they were
like legitimately good. They were twenty five team, like they
they turned him in. I think our Buckle is probably
the most undervalued, you know, addition to this team. They
bring Jayden Now you mentioned the addition to him, Like
the running back room is good, The defense is legitimately

(39:13):
much better. The front should be better. The linebackers all right.
The secondary is probably the biggest concern, but at least
they have like a lot of some decent upside there.
I think it's a very good defense, and I think
there's a chance to be like a great defense. And
I think the secondary is the biggest issue. I think
they'll get after it. Upfront. The schedule is is kind

(39:34):
of tough though, Michigan. You got Michigan, Auburn at home
at Texas, at South Carolina, back to back Neutral Texas. Yeah,
you're right, Neutral Texas. But yeah, you're right, you're right.
I keep forgetting that, but that's still back to back
at South Carolina home versus All miss at Tennessee at
Bama Missouri, LSU, Missouri, whatever, LSU I think is good.

(39:57):
We haven't talked about LSU.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Or Texas at all. It's not going to be. This
isn't gonna be a team that just goes nuts. But
to improve off the six wins, I'm willing to go.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I'm a little worried on the schedule. They're a top
twenty five team. Chance will be pretty dangerous. I like them.
I would say they're probably a seven win team. I'm
just a little worried about the schedule. Michigan, Auburn, Texas,
South Carolina, Tennessee, Bam mckys.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
We're gonna know if this is going over or not
based on the Michigan and Auburn games at home?

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Can you win those two home games?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
If you do, you're starting off not even know and
I feel good about you.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
You'll know by week four about this team, you'll know
if they're if they're out there fucking round with Michigan
just playing with them, you'll know that they're they're they're
going over.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
So I agree, I'm gonna bet I'm gonna have more
on Oklahoma money line Week two against Michigan than I
will on Oklahoma's win total.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
That way, that's a very fair point.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Quickly, see if you anything else you like that, i'llhead
Texas real quick because it's the one unit play I
played them under. Under nine and a half plus one
sixty four is everyone's family.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
To win the SEC, to make the playoffs, win it all. Uh.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Finally a arch Manning's under center lost eleven players to
the draft. No one really wants to talk about that.
A lot of them the arch Manning talk. And don't
get me wrong, I think he's going to be a
very good trigger man uh for them.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
But if he was.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Jesus Christ, why wasn't he the starter last year instead
of the seventh rounder? Quin you weres Dan You and
I talked about this on on Saturday night And if
Sark is such a great court coach and Manning is
the guy and Sark just threw away his chances at
winning the title.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
I just don't get it.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
So you can't have it both ways, like you said it, Dan,
you can't have Arches the guy and Sark is the
greatest coach, So throw throw that, uh you know, take
that for what you want here. I think I think
the O line is going to be a big problem
for for Arch. You know, they they.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Got playmakers on offense, but a lot of new faces.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Four offensive offensive line starters gone.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Gone and now these are new kids come the blocking
for a new trigger man.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
And I get it.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Wisner's back, He's talented, but they couldn't run the ball
for shit last year versus Georgia with Wisner and Blue.
Defense was the better side of the ball last year
and might be the same for this year. They returned
some dudes, a solid D line, and you know they
have the pass rushers.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I just don't think that this is a team where
Arch is just gonna step in and they're just gonna
cruise through everybody.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
In the SEC and just win the national title. When
do you see a preseason number one with a win
total nine and a half.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
You are a dog Twice you were at Ohio State
and you were at Georgia, correct, and I will take
the home team to win both of those games.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Now, you gotta be perfect.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
They won sixty four perfect the rest of the way out,
and you're getting big plus money that they just slip
once with.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
A new trigger man and a new old line. And
this is the one union to play for me. Dan
though under nine and a half on the horn, I
have the same play.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I like it too. I mean I didn't play it,
but I like it too. I mean again, like everyone
just wants to shoot on Quinn yours. He was a
really good college quarterback. Even last year. He was really good.
I know he had the injury, he was really good.
So everyone just thinks that Arch is going to come
in and be better than him. I think you fucking
crazy to think that.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
It's crazy. It's at Florida.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I think it's crazy. You mentioned that.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
But again, give me Florida plus seven.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
New quarterback, almost entirely new offensive line. Wide receivers are
decent but not elite. Experienced running backs but not true superstars.
That's a problem. I again, So I agree, a lot
of question marks in the secondary, some serious dudes there.
But yeah, dude, the schedule sucks. You mentioned it, Ohaowa State,
Florida at Florida, Oklahoma at Florida's off a bye to Oklahoma.

(43:48):
Don't don't sleep on the Oklahoma game, man, correct, that's
a neutrocyite game and a rivalry game. And they have
Florida before that game, and look at like Texas.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
No cakewalk ever. I mean, that's rivalry game. And you
know Elco always gives them their their best. You know
you'll be taking the points against them a lot.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
All right, A quickly for the teams that we haven't
talked about. I really like Florida. I think they're really
really underrated. I like A and M this year. I
think they're underrated too. I'm not playing anything on the
win totals. I just think in general, I think those
two teams are being wildly slept on. I think Vanderbilt
probably sucks a little bit. This year probably comes down
a little bit. I think, you know the rest of
the conference is mediocre, South Carolina, mediocre, whatever. But yeah,

(44:28):
I think I think that's kind of where we are
who you're picking for the SEC. I know CET's got
Bama Jewels. Where you going, Georgia, I'll go Georgia. Okay,
I'll go Bama. I like Bama. I got I think
their quarterback away.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
I think you give me Georgia Bama and I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, I think so too. I will I will championship.
I do not believe in Texas. I will not. I
will not buy in on a team that loses basically
everything offensively. Just won't do it.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Three hundred and sixty five days of hard work and
it all comes down.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Guys, We've waited a year for this and you're already drinking.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Bryan, this is a charity scramble.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
We're here for the Vivas.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Viva Tequila Siltzer. Only eighty eight candies, zero perms, zero sugar,
and declute three. Ditch the malt at tequila.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Good job boys, One for you, one for you.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Big Ten Football. We just finished off the SEC. Time
to move over to the Big ten again. We're we're
not going to go through every single team, but we're
gonna go through the big ones I have. I'm gonna
start off with my take for the Big ten unless
either you guys have a really strong take about the
Big Ten.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, I mean that's my biggest.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
You're right, I apologize you just said it on there.
Why don't you start with Why don't you start with
your take on the Big ten?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
C I'll lead off here, Dan, and I'll kind of
just say, you know, last year, all three of us, uh,
you know, I was kind of held the the uh
the bag, I guess because Oklahoma State was I started
that for the three of us and it was an
absolute disaster. All three of us were on it. That
was a five unit play for me. I've scaled it
back a little bit this year because.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
That was a huge swing and miss.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
But the USC Trojans in the in the Big Ten
over seven and a half wins minus one sixty. It
is a little juicy. That's a three unit play for me.
And that's the biggest win total I have this year,
uh in college football. And I feel like this is
a you know, make or break yere for Lincoln Riley.
Like they finished with the worst record each season under Riley,

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and we saw it back in twenty twenty two that
team had playoff potential.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
And that's a eleven.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Million dollar job a year and he needs to start
earning his keep. And that's a team or a program
that is expected to win and he has not done that,
so he needs to flip that around here. And the
game plan to do that is with the triggerman Jade
and myofa and for him into an.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Elite trigger man.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I think it's off to a good start because he
came in last year, replaced Miller Moss, went three to
one and he looked really good. And that's Lincoln's guy.
So they returned a ton of on offense this year.
Nine starters O line should be pretty decent. Riley's kind
of talked about it. He's making it, you know, He's

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said that he wants guys to protect his man. Went
out in the portal, got some good guys running back room.
I think is talented. Dan and I went back on
it a little bit, but they got the junior college
transfer and that's Wayman Jordan who he won the equivalent
of the Heisman last year in junior college.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
So Deonte Lynn, obviously they brought him in.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Was a brilliant call to be the defensive coordinator last
year for USC and had USC Trojans defense looking like
a Big ten defense. You wouldn't have known that was
the USC Trojans playing d They did lose a lot,
but they get a couple of guys back here, especially
lead the linebacker Eric Gentry. He was out almost the

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whole year last year, so that's a nice shot in
the arm. They also went out and got themselves a
new kicker, the freshman All American from UNLV. I forget
the kid's name, Chittenden, Chittenden, and so they're they're very
high on him. I think they start the season four
and oh and they take that road tip to Champlain
to play that UH Illinois team that everybody's talking about,

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and I still think that's gonna be a tough game
for Illinois to win. They got tough road trips Oregon,
and they got some good games at home with the
IOWA U c l A, the.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Michigan at home.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Let's not forget, I mean, no one's you know, talking
about everybody's thinks that Michigan is just gonna roll into
UH Pasadena and win this game. That's a freshman, Brice
Underwood for for Michigan. Who's gonna be on the side
of the I think it's gonna be Underwood. H I'm
not sold on this More team and the Wolverines, but
I think with both lines better on both sides of

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the ball and Lincoln kind of dialed in here. I
think there's an eight nine win team. Over seven and
a half is a three unit of play. For man,
it's my biggest win total of the year. Guys, USC,
Charjans Jules.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Yes, so I have no win totals in the big ten.
I have no in the Big ten.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
What I will say is that if I played a
win total, USC has been the closest that I've come.
I don't love the minus one sixty, but hey, I'm
the guy that just gave out Oklahoma and Georgia minus
one seventy, so good point. If I come around on one,
it'll be joining CT on USC. We're gonna talk Ohio
State Texas because that's a big Week one game and

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we'll get to that. So here's gonna be my my
Big ten.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Well, before you move on, do you have any thoughts
on USC? I guess I should.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Say, oh, just on that, Yeah, I mean I I agree.
I agree with the majority of what what CT said.
And schedule wise, like every time I look at the schedule,
you know, at Notre Dame should be a loss. At
Oregon should be a loss. There's no other game that's

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that's a surefire loss on there at all. And if
if they win that game at Illinois, now you're starting
what one, two, three, five and oher and hosting Michigan,
which on Drafting sports book is USC plus one and
a half. Other shops minus one and a half. Correct,
that's a game that I'm gonna be USC. You know
at Nebraska is a tough game, but yeah, I'm with

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c it's an eight nine win team.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
So so, I like the quarterback, I like the wide receivers,
I hate the running back. I hate the running back.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Run can downgrade a team that much for the running back.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I mean, yeah, Joe Mark Marx was awesome last year.
He was part of their offensive engine. And they lose
a large majority of their offensive line. And I my
big issue is.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
The senior Eli Sanders. They should be fine though.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
He's okay, he's fine, he's fine. I just my big
issue is how good is Lynn get the defense? Because
they lost every defensive It's like a big question, you
got a reload, you gotta do all that again. So
they go to Champagne. I'm a little worried about that
Illinois games because Illinois is like so now, there's just
returning so many guys. It's hard to hard to win

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that game. That's my only concern there. The Notre Dame. Man,
they're gonna get absolute fucking slaughtered. The Oregon game. I
give them a chance. I think Oregon's down. I think
the Nebraska game is the one that people really aren't
talking about. I think Nebraska could give them a really
big fan especially if you us he's bad defensively, that's
my concern. I like him against Michigan, I like him

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against Iowa. I like them again. I think UCLA could
suck even with Nico, Like I think, I think that,
and I guess the Michigan stay game may be difficult
depending on I mean, Jonathan Smith is a good coach,
so who knows. But like, I think they're probably an
eight win team. It's just to me that's that's kind
of like. That's where I'm just worried is nine's probably

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their ceiling. So that's my only concern about them is defensively,
can they just do enough? And Lynn is the defensive coordinator,
so I'll say yes, I lean over to. In fact,
I think if you're gonna bet over, I think mum
as well. Bet Big Ten to win the Big Ten
like I did.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, I guess, I guess I left that out.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I suck on that, Dan, Yeah, okay, yeah, thank you,
I'll suck on that. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
I apologize.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I put two tenths of the unit on USC to
UH to win the Big ten plus twenty one hundred.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I think there's twenty five out there too.
Yeah to me, I think I think I would almost
do that. Did you bet playoffs either?

Speaker 4 (52:35):
I did not?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Okay, I see, I see. I wonder if they're gonna
be good. I'd think they're gonna fucking roll like and
then they probably go ten and two. So I don't know.
It's an interesting team. I like.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I like the make or break here for aal it
is that's the that's the biggest He's done like this.
If you can't just hold on to this job and
and just get worse every.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Year, he has fired mid season, if they if they
literally right, yeah, I agree, I think I think he's out.
So all right, Jules, what's going already? What are your
thoughts on? Give me your your Big ten thought?

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah, okay, so here's my thought. Michigan is not back.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
People are saying Michigan is back, I know, not necessarily
to national title, but back from what they were last year.
And the quarterback play can't be worse, so I have
to give him better quarterback play. I'm not convinced, like
if it is a freshman in Underwood that you're just
gonna go on the road and start winning games because
you're Michigan. They're good in the trenches. It's Michigan. They're
always gonna be good in the trenches. Yeah, go ahead,

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maybe you maybe.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
You think, but I think they're bad.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Okay, So just fading Michigan on the road last year
was something that I was big on. We all watched
together that at Washington game where I was big on Washington.
Washington's a great home team.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
I think they're.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Washington won that game, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
we watched together.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, watching together.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Washington money they opened a dog closed to favorite Washington
money line was one of my bigger regular season game
bets of the season, and I'm gonna have some bigger
regular season game bets throughout the season.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Against Michigan on the road.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
We covered it in the SEC Oklahoma Week two at
Oklahoma Love Oklahoma. There that's an early one. And if
that's Underwood, that's you're coming off New Mexico at home.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
And then the seconds second game.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Of your career is at Oklahoma on Saturday night, ABC
Prime Time.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
That is a fucking nightmare potentially for Underwe If.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
That's again, so we've already talked.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
That's the Royola two point h right, because Roolo last
year did the same ship bat Blue.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
We don't need to keep going back to it, but
that's gonna be a big regular season bet for me.
September twentieth, they are at Nebraska DK Sportsbook Nebraska plus
three and a half.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Love a little home dog.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
They're getting three and a half early in the season again,
and again they go home after Oklahoma and play Central Michigan,
so a non test again. And if it is Underwood,
now game four, second road game of your career is
at Nebraska, then we're going right back to CT's handicap here,
which is essentially after that you get a bye Wisconsin.
Then you're at USC with USC off a bye on

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October eleventh, Draft Kings Sportsbook USC plus one and.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
A half in that game.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
I already bet that one.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
So there's three games the other road games are at
Michigan State Northwestern Maryland.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
But I'm not going to sleep on Michigan State. Man
Jonathan Smith sent.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Really here, what I you know, Obviously I'm leaning towards
the under eight and a half win total, but really,
what I'm saying here there are three road games for
Michigan by October eleventh where you are getting a home
dog or laying three or less points with the home team,
where I absolutely want to be going against Michigan early

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and that those are going to be my big big
ten plays I guess is those three games circled against Michigan.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
So mikey Kean, the transfer for Resident State, who was
good and sometimes great now is going to be going
into the big.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Ten and right, So if it's not Underwood, if it's
not Underwood and it's Mikey Keane, then give that the
same type of handicap okay pretty much all last year too, and.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Apparently he hurt his finger and they brought in Jake
Garcia from UCU because they're worried that he might not
be ready.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
He hurt his finger again. He heard his finger last
year too, exactly.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
So if it's any of those guys it's kind of
the same as our Tennessee handicap, right with Aguilar coming
over from app State to Yeah, sure whatever, but you
know I want to go against that quarterback in big
road games early in the season mid too.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
I think I completely agree. So not to mention. They
did okay in the portal, but like they have just
three star talent. They don't have anyone with super upside there.
That's a problem. The offensive line returns three starters, but
they lose their entire depth. They lost every single other
guy who played a snap last year in the portal,
the only guys they had their missing talent experience. They

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they have Sprague, the former four star. He sucks. The
running back room loses Millings and Edwards. I mean, I
know that they had Jordan Marshall. He was awesome, but
like probably gonna defend on the offensive line. The defensive
line lose Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant like you can't,
you can't. And they lose Josiah Stewart like that's it.
They're they're done there, man, Like I I'm sure they'll

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be good. They brought in pain from Bama, Trillium from
They lost a ton there, they lost a ton in
the secondary, Quintin Johnson, McCary, Paige, j Amari Hall, Will Johnson,
that's all gone. I mean, dude, they're gonna lose. They're defensively,
they're just not gonna be nearly as good. They might
be good, but they're just not gonna be nearly as good.
They're gonna lose experience, they lose those guys. I just

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I don't know how much better they are, Like, I
think they're better. They're probably a better team. Are they
that much better? And at Oklahoma at Nebraska, I think
Wisconsin's a sneaky fucking big game. Wisconsin's off of bye,
and then they go at USC that's USC off of bye.
At Michigan State in a rivalry game against a way

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better coach, and then they finish off the year with
Ohado State. I'm under. I'm on under on on Michigan.
I don't think they win enough games this year. I don't.
And I also play no playoffs in them.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
I just almost no playoffs.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
The no playoffs right now, I'll see if I can
find the current number. They're just they're not even close
to a playoff team.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
I'm not believing more as a so.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Now minus two minus two eighty eight now is number.
I think I played minus two fifty juicy, but sure,
I mean I think you can probably find minus.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
They're not gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
They're not They're just not a good team man.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Like it's I guess the reason I'm not doing the
win total is like and maybe I you know, it's
what it's. We're recording this late July, so maybe I will.
But I feel like I can just make that money
by October eleventh, going Oklahoma Nebraska USC probably and that's fair.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I think that's a fair point. And I think the
d probably falls off, the offensive probably gains a little bit.
But you also potentially have a freshman starting in hero games,
like we just saw Dylan Roola, who was like maybe
one of the most hype freshmen ever come in try
and do that last year and struggle badly, Like at
times he was great at times, but he struggled bat
ly eight times. I think Michigan again, people are way

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toohyped on Michigan all start. I'll give you my big one,
which is Maryland under I think the coaching staff is done.
I think they've just the Loxley has been there forever.
They just haven't had success. They lose everything. Billy Edwards
was awesome there last year. Surprisingly, like somehow, Billy Edwards
was awesome there last year. Eighteen big time throws, twelve

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turner worthy plays receivers at sixteen drops, he was phenomenal,
eight and a half at mobility, etc. He was great.
And he's off to Wisconsin. They lose MJ. Morris as well,
so Justin Martin is going to be the guy who's
starting for them. I think that's a fucking I mean,
no I knows what he is. He's just a complete
under own. They lose Ty Felton and Katian Prather both

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are gone, who are their best two wide receivers. Their
offensive line loses three starters arguably the worst power for
offensive line in last year, and they don't bring anyone
in from the portal. They got actually worse, which is
probably which is almost impossible for that offensive line. They
get worse. The running backs there. Roman Hemby was at

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one hundred and thirty four times last year. He hit
the portal. No one Rey was decent. He's back, so
I guess they'll be okay there, But I mean they
have They lost half their defensive line. They're gonna be
worse there. Their linebacking corps. The guys they bring back
are just they're okay whatever, and they need to replace
two safeties, one cornerback, and the other cornerbacks who were

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largely rotated are just mat I mean, there's enough names.
They might be okay, but they're n't proven. Four and
a half's the win total year. You tell me where
they have four wins, five wins? Okay, we'll go down
schedule caring.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
So they're gonna start three right now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Okay, I don't think so. Okay, Okay, I think they're
losing the Northern Illinois. That's a team who has beat
Power five teams. They just beat BC the other year
they beat another another Power five, but Power four before that.
I think there's a real chance they lose that game
at Wisconsin. No, why they're not. They're not winning that game,
no way. Off of buy home vers Washington. Maybe home

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versus Nebraska. I'll take Nebraska at UCLA, have to go
West Coast, no thank you. Home versus Indiana. They're gonna
get fucking demolished there. Then they go at Rutgers at Illinois,
no thank you, no thank you home versus Michigan at
Michigan State, they may not win a conference game. The
only one of the table realistic chance of winning is Washington.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Washington is very home road.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Right it's and it's in Maryland. I think that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
And Maryland Washington's not there under four and a half,
Maryland's off of buye in Washington's not. So I agree
with you there and let's give him the three and
oh start, though, but I like they might not get there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
If they If they go three to oh, they have
a chance to win five. I don't think they will,
and even if they do, I don't think they they
will not be there will not be another single game
on their schedule. I think they have the capability of
winning unless Dilanrola craps down his pants at home in
maryor against them, I don't think they have another game
where they can feasibly win that game. So I think

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there's a real chance the coaching staff is out after
week three after the bye or was there a week
four me after the bye? After the Wisconsin game, I
think they get absolute demolished in that game. I think
Lockxley gets fired, and I think maybe things get better
then maybe maybe maybe I'll be wrong, But right now,
Marylyn under four and a half to me, I I
is I think the best, the best win total in

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the conference. Do you guys have any other takes in
the Big.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Ten, Well, we want to talk to Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
My only other one, which I I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna give it out, but my only one one
is Purdue might be the worst Power four team of
all time, literally the worst Power four team of all time.
They don't have a quarterback. They're starting guy Mike High
Singleton who was who played a little bit for Arkansas,
but he kind of sucks. They lost their stud Max
Carl tight End to Ohio State CT, which is why

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we're going there yep, day out. Basically no one. They
brought in Magwood from USC and Ross are from UCF
and Ross from USC. That's it. They lost their all
five starters on the offensive line, and they guys they
brought in are pretty brutal. Makabi the running back, is
the only guy who is any sort of good. He
is back, and they did bring in Thomas from Malcolt

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Thomas from Virginia. Techo I think is good. Outside of that,
they lost almost their entire defensive line. They are mediocre.
There have to do a full rebuild of the linebackers
and the secondary. Anyone who is more than two hundred
and twenty five snaps is gone, so they have one
returning starter. They lost seventeen their top seventeen defensive players

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to either graduation or the portal, and three of them
are leaving via graduation. So they're a fucking disaster. Odim
is a defensive guy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
So why why isn't Purdue under three and a half
stronger than Maryland under four and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
So my only thing about Purdue is they u which
is a win. I don't ball State might be the
worst team in college football. Okay, great, they have.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
The one game they win after Week two.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Rutgers is a legitimate possibility and Northwestern is of possibility.
You have four winnable games there, which is why I mean,
I think I'm up on Rutgers a little bit more
this year. And I guess you could put at Washington
on that list too. They have a couple of winning.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
They're not gonna win if Washington was home, maybe they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Gonna be wash. I mean, I don't think so either,
But upsets happen, right, So I'm just being realistic. They
probably have a four win ceiling. I played some under
three and a half meant minus two hundred now feels
like a bit steep. Minus one sixty is when I
play it. I still like it, I just don't love it.
I wouldn't give it out as a play. It's more
of just a lean it. I played it small, but

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I just think they're the worst Power four team maybe ever.
And if they didn't start ball State Southern Illinois being
easy under because I think there is a real chance
they don't win a conference game as well, Like there's
a real chance that they just don't. So there you go,
all right, what's move on? You want to talk about
Let's talk about Big Ten in terms of overall CT
You like Ohio State this year, what's the deal?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I mean, I'm not saying I like Ohio State to
win the conference, but I dislike Penn State and Oregon
to win the Big Ten Conference. I guess that's probably
a better way to put it. And I think there's
a lot of questions about the Buckeyes, right, I mean,
you have two I mean, now Heartline's going to be
calling the plays on the offensive side of the ball, Dan,

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you're going to be calling the plays on the defensive
side of the ball that now that Knowles is off
to Penn State, and I think that's something that no
one's really talking about, that Patricia is going to be
the defensive.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Coordinator for Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I'm not sure what's what that is going to bring
for the buck Eyes. I'm not sure if it's a
good thing or a bad thing. I really don't know.
But the talent is there and if Julian saying is
as good as I'm here from our connections down there, Dan,
and this team again has potential to win a Big

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Ten championship and to and to repeat because remember last
year when they were a triple team in Jeremiah Smith
and they went to Carnel Tate and no one, no
one knew who he was. Yeah, he's back this year too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
UH.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
With Jeremiah and Julian saying that from what I hear
is Uh is the next gunslinger in In UH college football,
the running games are concern because you you lose UH,
that two headed monster last year. UH, and now you
have pretty much a kid that played eight games last

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year as you're starting running back and then they pick
up the kid from West Virginia Donaldson. I'm not really
sure what that's gonna bring, but I think they're gonna
be throwing the ball a lot. And I love Ryan
Day as a coach, as the three of us know.
And uh that that line ticked down the two and
a half first Texas Week one, I'll be on the
buck eyes there and they brought.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
In Klarl from purduees like, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
That's right, I'm sorry, but probably the best end they bring.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
So they add here Smith and Tate and Brandon Innis.
I mean like, that's a that's a big fucking that's
a big top four. The offensively, thank you for the
running backs. Fucking blow running Donaldson sucks. I'm sorry. I've
watched him that I don't I don't think he has
a lot of experience.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
He's got people's played in eight games last year and
should be okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Yeah, I mean again, they'll be fine. They'll probably find
some freshmen who can do some things. But that's a problem.
The offensive line. They lose three starters, Jackson, McLoughlin, Simmons
all gone. Like that's that's in effectively four because Friar's
gone too, so like that's gone. They they they bring
in that on kid from Rice who's really really good.

(01:07:53):
So I guess that's okay. But they're that's concern. So
lines of concern, running backs concern. The defense is fucking
still nasty. Like I mean, I know they.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Lost the best player, all round player in the contrary.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Yeah, it is back. I mean you know it's it's
a it's a green secondary. Look. They the defense is
gonna be worse. Defense gonna be worse. The running back
runs is gonna be worse. The offense line worm is
gonna be worse. They might be better at quarterback. They're
certainly gonna be better in the wide receiver room, which
is crazy to think about.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
That's why receiver room in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Yeah, I mean they're still fucking good, dude. Like I
know they're in a little bit of approve it mode,
but like they're still really good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Quarter and Graham, the two freshmen are supposed to be unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Yeah, I mean yeah, so it like they're they're talking
about how good they are. I mean, they they're good, man,
This good team, good team. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I think Ohio State is gonna win the home game
against Penn State, which is why I'm tempted to say,
how about a Penn State revenge game in the Big
Ten title game against Ohio State. I just don't know
if I ultimately believe in Penn State and that type
of in that type of game.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
So I'm gonna talk about Penn.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
State quickly before we move on Oregon Penn State. I mean, Jules,
what what do you what do you like about Penn
State this year?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Obviously, they bring back I mean the running backs. Obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
I think the bringing back a strong quarterback is nice.
But I'm not a Drewaler guy. Like we saw some
bad mistakes last year. He's gonna clean He's you know,
he'll learn, He'll clean it up a little bit, but
I'm not a big believer in him. The Penn State
I don't think they're the number one or number two
team in the country, which is where a lot of

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you know, magazines or polls have them have them ranked.
But I'm not betting them under ten and a half.
I think they could lose to Ohio State, and I
think they could win out. I don't think that would
be crazy based on the schedule, I'm down on Oregon.
I'm down on I don't even if they play Michigan,
I'm but I'm down on Michigan like I'm down on
the conference, which I know you are, Dan.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
So they're gonna they don't win those type of games.
Going on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Against Ohio State, They're not gonna win that game, but
they should win ten or eleven games. So when yeah,
when you down on teams. The one Penn State thing
that I have is I laid three and a half
with Penn State on Saturday night in the white Out
September twenty seventh against Oregon going on the road to
Penn State, That's the one Penn State take that I have.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
I like them in that game.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Okay, I'm gonna give you one, the one Penn State.
First off, the wide receiver room is fucking bad. I
don't know why everyone keeps fucking loving the Penn in
the wide receiver room. They lose Tyler Warren, Okay, he
was awesome, all right. They lose Wallace, they lose Evans.
Those are the two top wide receivers on the teams.
I don't understand why everyone loves them. They bring back
Leam Clifford, he's fine. Oh great. They bring in the uh,

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the Kiren Hudson kid, the former from USC who again
all right, he was fine. They bring in Devonte Ross
from Troy. He was really good, but like this is
the big pen yep. And they bring in Trevor Penna
from Syracuse who had an elite quarterback was playing in
the acc Right, that's the room, Cayden Sanders, Anthony Ivy,

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they were fine. That's the room. Like they just so,
can I throw the ball again? I don't know like
they you know, they they return four or five on
the offensive line. Great, defense is great. We all know
their defensive line is gonna be worse without the best
defensive player in college football. Here's the thing. They have
Oregon on the schedule. I will talk about Oregon. They
have to go to Iowa in Kinnick. That's not a

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fun game, Okay. I'm just saying in October it's cold
in Kinnick. Then off that they have the buye than
at Ohio State. And then here's the fun one for you.
I'm calling it right now, home game versus Indiana, Week
eleven of Ohio State. They will lose that game right now.
They are going to lose to Indiana. Indiana is tougher
than them, They are better than them. They are they

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are well more well coached. Indian's gonna get like fourteen
and a half that game, whatever it is. I will
take Indiana on the money line that game. I will.
I also think Nebraska off of buye in Michigan State
off of bye off that Indiana game. This thing, Penn
State probably loses two three games down the stretch. Here

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Aileen under on Penn State. I'm under on them, I
think again. Everyone thinks they're.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Really really close to really really close to getting there, so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I have been too, but I'm not gonna get there.
I know I'm not because I know I'm just gonna
end up betting the specific games. But I'm just whatever. Anyways,
final team I want to definitely talk about for sure
before we get to anywhere is Oregon. Everyone wants to
talk about Oregon, Jules, what are your thoughts there?

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
I'll start with you there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I have kind of Tennessee thoughts about them, where I
don't like the team, but I like the schedule and
therefore I have not played under ten and a half,
but I do have them losing to Penn State.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
So now you've got to be perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
And if you're asking me here, you're gonna go perfect
in the other eleven games? Probably not, because I'm not
a big believer in more at quarterback. I'm like, they're
probably going to trip up somewhere along the way. We've
seen Landing have those problems a couple of years ago
with the teams like Washington losing to them in the

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same season.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
So strong lean to the under.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
But you know, if they were to squeak out that
game at Penn State, who's a team you can't always
trust in big games. Even though I'm telling you I'm
betting Penn State in that game, then who knows. So
I'm staying away. But my overall thoughts are that they
probably underachieve, and assuming they do wind up making the
College Football Playoff, we will have a good spot to

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go against them in there. See Ohio State last year,
which we all did very.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Much against Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Thunder No, and then no, Ohio State got uh steamroll them?

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Am I losing my mind to Ohio State steamroll them?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah? The Ducks.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Yeah, that's the game I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
No, I know what I'm saying. I thought you were
talking about like where they make it in as like
a whatever seed and then they get.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
Oh no, okay, Well Tennessee got obliterated.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
And then I was mentioning how Oregon did in the
playoff game against Ohio State, which is kind of how
I would see their playoff game, which.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
We all had Ohowa State in that game. I don't
know how you guys feel about Dante Moore. I think
he's a good player, a lot of upside, but who
the fuck knows, Like it's really hard to know. They
lost Ted Johnson, Treshawn Holden, Terrence Burginson, and Evan Stewart
just got hurt. He's out for the year, so they're fucked.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Yeah, that's what a lot of people aren't talking about,
is that Stuart's done.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
I mean, and he was the the only wide out
coming back that that played, and he was supposed to
be a senior and that's a big loss. And I
agree with you, Dante Moore is still only a sophomore,
very young. And then you just have the keys to
the car to Gabriel for what three years, and now
you just handed over to this transfer from UCLA was
supposed to come in and take over and just you know,

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with all these guys gone, just you know, I get it,
it's probably a reload, not a rebuild.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
But I don't know. I think it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Schedule's favorable, that that's the thing they have going for him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
I agree, And then they lose four or five on
the offense line. I mean, I mean, just just again,
they they're not great in the secondary, They're not great
in the line backing room. They're terrible in the defensive line.
They're gonna be bad in the trenches. That's that's a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
They got that kid from Chilean the running.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Back, Mikayus.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Yeah, probably one of the best in the contrary, they
have a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Great running back room. Great, but if you can't block,
it doesn't matter if you are, you know, And man,
I don't know, I feel like I feel like they're
in They're in trouble. They're definitely not a national title
to contender at Penn State, at Rutgers, at Iowa and
Kidneck igat I'm just gonna keep saying that over and
over again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
And then you know they have to face Indiana. I
bet Indiana fourteen and a half against them. I again,
I think Indiana is real good, and Minnesota and USC like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I USC, they're like thirteen and a half point favorites.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
I'll be on USC. You get in the thirteen and
a half.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
You'll probably probably you'll probably be more by that. They'll
probably fourteen fifteen and a half bunch, know so, I
mean seriously, So I'm I'm out there. Do you guys
have any any other Big ten thoughts? I really like Indiana.
I just the schedules brutal, so I couldn't get there
with it over. But I think they're gonna be fucking
awesome again this year. Like I think they're top ten

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defensive line really good, maybe better offensively, Like you're you're a.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Bigger Signetti guy than I am. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
I just you know, we we saw what happens to
him when he goes and plays the big boys.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Yeah, no, we saw what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
The problem is those big boys are not so big anymore.
It's like so it's like it's kind of more of
a level. I mean, last year, you and I love
Ohio State and game and then yeah we just we
love fading this.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Big boys aren't so big.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Any bo boys have lost. I've lost a little bit.
That's right. I'm a big boy now, just not as big.
And then Illinois brings back everyone. Everyone loves his Illinois team.
Do you gotta see anything?

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
But it reminds it. It reminds me of Oklahoma State
last year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Everybody's talking about we're gonna get to Oklahoma A right,
I mean, I don't know this. All the talk is
how great Illinois is going to be. Well, let's let's
see what Bieloma rolls out here. He's he's a lot
of he's a big talker.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
All right. Finally, cet, we know you love Iowa. Have
some whatever people, you get some infro in that team.
What do you think about Iowa over seven and a half?
So some six and a half out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
There still by the way, is there really there's some
six and a half?

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
I mean six and a half's gotta be juice got
minus minus two twenty something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
So my guy down there, who we've all become friends with,
he says, they love Gronkowski, they love the trigger man
that they they pulled in through the portal. He didn't
go pro. He came there the running back room. Uh,
you know, they don't have a Caleb Johnson like they
did last year. But they're they're very deep. They have
more guys that could run and catch the ball. The

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wide receiver room. They get the vander Z keep the
vanders Z kid back. Howard Phillips is the transfer from Chattanooga.
UH Anderson and UH guy that they said that no
one's talking about is this guy watch out for kJ Parker.
He's gonna play running back and wide out and probably

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special teams returning the kicks. So they're excited about him. Obviously,
Phil Parker always has a good defense, loves their defensive backs,
thinks they're very good special teams. They might might have
the best UNI like you in the country. They're like always, Uh,
Stevens is back at kicker. We remember how good he

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has been for them. The punters now are sophomore. You know,
they're saying that they could win eight to nine games
down there, and I know Dan, we know a sharp guy,
mutual friend of ours is on the under there. But
they're saying Kirk probably only two three years left and
wants to get those wins versus Iowa State. So if

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you're gonna bet you know, the win total on this,
that's a that's a swing game where you have to win,
and that's the second game of the year. This is
probably the first year and the last two or three
I haven't been on Iowa over. It's just because USC
is my biggest win total of the year, and I
don't let like betting two teams to go over when

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they have to play each other makes sense. It's just
not something I'm gonna do. But there's the tidbits from
Camp Iowa there. They're expecting them to be.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Anything else in the Big ten, guys, let's move it.
All right, let's move on to the Big twelve. I'm
gonna be honest with you. I don't have a ton
of takes in the Big twelve. This is the conference.
I'm probably this is my probably my least knowledgeable.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
There's a million teams and anybody can win it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
It's I mean, you won last year Arizona State, who
everybody predicted the pass in.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
The conference and they want it. Best advice on the
Big twelve is be careful.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Yeah, okay, agreed, I'll start. I'll start with you, Chris.
What is your Big twelve take that you have?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
So I'm gonna give you an under that I bet
that I really like and it's the air some of Wildcats,
and it's under five and a half. I bet minus
one oh seven. The head coach, Brent Brennan. He's in
the second year, as we all know, and year one
was pretty much nothing short of a disaster, right they
went four and eight, two and seven and big twelve play.

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They've lost a ton of guys over the last two
years since Jed Fish decided to leave.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Somehow Brennan got McMillan in Fafida to stay last year.
Not really sure how. McMillian obviously their best player, he's
gone to the pros. Yeah, they get Fafida back on
the center, but I'm really not sure he's as good
as advertised. And he's got a ton of new faces
on the offensive side of the ball, a ton of
kids in the portal, two new coordinators that will be

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calling the plays for the Wildcats. I think, you know,
it's gonna come down to how well Fafida can run
the new offense, and I'm willing to bet it's not
going to be a well oiled machine on that side
of the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Like they do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Get a decent amount of guys back on deep not
enough to stop the really high powered offenses in this league.
They'll probably start to and ozer like they did last year,
and then schedule gets really tough. I think it's lucky
if this team gets five wins. So I played under
five and a half here minus one oh seven for Arizona.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
That's one unit play.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
For me, which is funny because we there there's a
sharp guy that we know that absolutely loves Arizona this year.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
And I just do not see it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Yeah again, I'm still I'm still going going through everything here. Schedule, Hawaii,
weber State gotta be wins, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
I mean they're thirteen and a half point favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
First at Houston win.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I think I think is gonna have Houston. The Cougars
will better than most thinks this year. Okay, b Yu win, Yeah,
I mean probably with with Re's laugh out, but I
mean I don't think that's uh, you know, neither of
those are.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Honestly, Honestly, the Big twelve is so fucking wide open.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
This is why it's so hard, because we do these
win totals and then we start going game by game
like we have been. It's like you do that in
the Big twelve and you're like, I don't know, I
don't know. I don't know last year, right, I'll get
you want me to get to a team that we
happened last year Oklahoma State. We all bet them big
seven and a half, close, eight and a half, bought

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myself a nice Cowboys had nine. All right, cool, awesome,
I have our money back seven and a half for
a Cadillac.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
I think that's cutting yourself short.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
I was rocking my my Oklahoma State Cowboys hat out
to a rocky three and oh start and then they
didn't win again, lost their last nine games.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
This is not a after that Arkansas comeback.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
The Arkansas they held on, but I remember I was
texting you guys, I was in Vegas time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
They covered that, you guys, that cover crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
But they they got lucky and then it we saw
what that team was and how lucky they were to
squeak by in that game. And they never won again,
oho to nine in conference. This is not me being bitter.
I played them under five and a half minus one fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
Again.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
We're gonna play the win game here going down the schedule,
and it's really hard in this conference.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
But I do not see it. U t.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Martin on a Thursday night open up with a nice win.
They're at Oregon week two, not gonna win that one.
They get Tulsa at home on a Friday night cool
in conference, Like I don't Baylor at Arizona, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
That'll be a big game for me and CTS unders
head to head.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Who's gonna be the big loser? Houston, I hope you
all lose. Houston. Cincinnati, No, you don't. Houston and Cincinnati
at home are like as good as it's gonna get
for winnable games in the conference. Look at this close
at Texas Tech, at Kansas k State, at UCF Iowa State.

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They brought back twenty one starters last year and absolutely
shit the bed, and now with nothing back there, they're
talking about how they have like seventy percent of their
team is just new guys and now they're all gonna
come together and be Bowl eligible.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
I don't see it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
This is not bitterness for last year, but getting to
five hundred is going to be tough. Here again, this
is a team that didn't win a conference game last year.
It's not the most difficult schedule in the world again,
they avoid your your Arizona States, your your Utahs. But
like if playing in this conference, you're gonna avoid people.

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They're at the bottom of the barrel. It's not about
who they avoid, it's about other teams saying, oh we
get Oklahoma State.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
I don't see him getting the six ones again.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
You just this is a list I always I always reference.
They used to references every year. You never want to
be in the bottom basically forty of the top one
hundred of the top returning production list, they have none
number one oh one Ohio State, one oh three Texas,
one oh for Oklahoma State. They are in that range,
which is brutal. By the way, just to give you

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an idea, that the worst powerful returning percentage one twenty
seven perdue.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
There you go, don't I might just take that minus
two hundred were the winds.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
By the way, one thirteen ole miss just just okay,
the way.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
We're betting that is the minus I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
One nine, one O nine Oregon, Oregon. And then of
course one O six UCF just and one eleven U
c l A two forgot about that one, all right?
Uh okay, I'll give you my one take Well, besides
the by U under which I think everyone has played.
If you don't know, Jake retz Laugh, who was really
sorry last year, was going to get in trouble for

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apparently having sex, so he bailed. And now they're going
to go to Tracon Borge, who's the former ASU starter
who was so bad that they kicked him off the team. Essentially,
he sucks. I don't really know what else to say
about that. He sucks. So they're in serious trouble. They've
lost Lassner there. I mean, if you hadn't bet the

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seven and a half, I think six and a half
is still probably good on on BYU. Honestly, like the
man they're they're they're really, they're really in trouble. Just
go down the list here. Everything they lost, like they
lost the defensive line is like one of the worst
in college football. It's bad. Anyways, here's my actual take
in in the Big twelve. I think Colorado is gonna
be maybe one of the worst teams in in the league.

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They lose Shor Sanders. I know everyone thinks shoud Or
is a joke, but he was really fucking good for
them at times last year. Now they get Caiden Salter,
who was fine for Liberty and Julian Lewis like, okay, great. Uh,
they get decimated at wide receiver. Hunter's gone, Western's gone,

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Shepherd's gone, Horn's gone. For NFL guys and some studs,
that's it. I mean, I don't know what else say.
They don't bring in anyone else except for Kayem Williams
for Florida State, who has a ton of potential and
he kind of sucked at Florida State. They don't have
anyone else who's even close, like just just no one.
They're they're screwed there. Offensive line they lost four guys

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last year, three starters and a depth guy. They were
finally serviceable last year. They're screwed. They brought in a
couple of guys, but I think they're screwed there. And
then the running back they couldn't run the ball last year.
They got worse.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
The defensive line they have a couple guys, but they
lost a ton of their experience there. I like the
linebacking room, actually I really do. The secondary is just
is just brutal, like just brutal too. The offense is
worse desalter is some upside the wide receivers are gonna
be worse. The offensive line is gonna be worse, the

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defense is gonna get worse. Where where are they getting
all these wins from Georgia Tech?

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Is a loss, it's a loss.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, check. He's got that team playing great
at Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Home versus Wyoming. So maybe they start three and one.
Here's the rest of the schedule. B y U four
at TCU, Iowa State at Utah, Arizona at West Virginia,
Arizona State at Kansas State. I don't know what anyone
thinks about these teams because we haven't really talked about
them except for Arizona, But like those are usually the
best teams in the conference. Yeah, they're facing every single

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one of them except for Baylor a day.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
That's a gift that they're not playing it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Yeah, and they I mean, I'll say this, I think
there's a real chance they used to lose the Wyoming
game too, Like I didn't they lose either Delaware Wyoming.
This is Remember who's coaching this team.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
He's a fight And remember what happened year one. Yeah,
everyone thought, every thought they were gonna be good, and
all the portal guys came came in and they were awful, awful.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
So I'm with you. I don't don't think they're gonna
be very good at all.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
So I'm on. I'm on the under in Colorado, not
a big bat. One year on the under season and
a half. That's it for me. Okay, and I b
y U, which again I think everyone has great anyone
and see if he would anything else for you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Yeah, I got I got one more and uh, you know,
people probably gonna think this is a Homer pick. But Taylor,
you guys have been friends of mine for five six
years now, and you know I haven't been high on
my Bears in in a few years.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
I think I've known you want the last five years,
and you bet them over one time on the first
year I knew you, I think you better and I
think you won.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Yes, And it was seven and a half and they
won eight, correct, So it hasn't been since then, and
that that that changes this year. I mean, expectations are
are really high down Waco, especially after Iran, the city
he saved his job. Uh, finished last year on a
six game win streak in the regular season. Then you
know they lose the bowl game the l s U.

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But you know whatever. That's the bowl game, but starts
off with a big one. Everyone is back on offense,
everyone including the glue and their their triggerman. Sorry Robertson, Uh,
I don't think he's getting talked about enough. And he's
going to get protection, unbelievable protection from an offensive line.
They returned four starters. The wide outs are back. We
were talking about this this morning. Uh, Ashton Hawkins, right,

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and there's a there's a big question mark. They've been
trying to get him eligible to play this year. They've
been fighting the NCAA for and my guy down there,
who's a beat writer for them, says he thinks they're
getting it done and he's going to be back week
two or week three. That would be huge, Okay, And
I'm not saying that my bet is based on that,
because I still think the wide out room is going

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to be just fine. Apprentice, they pick up him from Alabama,
Josh Cameron's back, the tight ends back.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Taz Williams. Uh, the kid you're talking about right now, correct, I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Mean they're they're saying Taz Williams even coming off the
A c L runs like the wind down there. So
he's gonna have plenty of targets. Then Bryson Washington. He
had an explosive freshman year at the running back position
for Baylor. He literally finished having the best season of
any freshman running back in Baylor history. And the defensive

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side of the ball obviously was the problem last year.
A Randa is going to do the play calling again.
This will be year two that he took over the
play calling. He hit the portal harder and he said
he was gonna make defense of a priority this summer.
And from what I hear, he really has some news
that probably no one knows. And I haven't even told
you guys yet. I forgot to. But the All American cornerback,

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the Devin Turner that they got from Northwestern, was supposed
to step in and play a big role this year.
He got hurt and he's probably gonna be out for
the year.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
So that sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
But they also picked up the Ohio State transfer at
that position. He's going to be elite there. The linebacker
Keaton Thomas, he's an absolute monster. Schedule is really tough, right,
it's front loaded, you know, Auburn at home week one,
at SMU Week three, Arizona State at home week four,
the defending champs. We know almost everything, will know almost

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everything we need to know about this team week one,
and I think it's gonna be good things because I
think they're gonna take care of business. I bet Baylor
plus three plus two and a half at home week
one versus Auburn, and I think they're gonna go to
SMU as five and a half, six point dogs, and
I think they're gonna win that game. I think this
team starts off three and oh and then get Arizona

(01:32:25):
State at home. They're going over seven and a half
and it's plus money here. I bet plus one twelve
Baylor over seven and a half. Yeah, two year to play.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
I just there's they. I mean, they bring back eighty
percent of its offensive production, which is the highest mark
in the Big Twelve, and they bring back a ton
on the offensive line like they were six and six
last year, and they I think they're better, Like, I
think they're literally better. Do they need some le level playmaking,
but I think they're better, man.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
Like I do, definitely better.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Yeah, I just I gat. I I don't know if
there's a age or breakthrough yet or not. I just again,
I'm this conference. I think is the most difficult to
predict by far. Sure, I just it's it's so hard
to kind of tell where this conference is gonna go. Like,
I know a lot of people I know are very
very sharp love Kansas under because they just lost like
everything outside of Jay and Daniels. But I wouldn't be

(01:33:18):
surprised if Jayalen Daniels just ends up bringing them to where,
you know, the promise, Like like if you told me
Kansas one day games, I wouldn't be shocked. They even
an elite coach, like you know what I mean. Like,
but tons of guys who are super sharp beloved the
under there. I really really difficult conference for me to
tell anything you guys like in terms of like few Well,
I guess we can get to that at the end here.

Speaker 6 (01:33:38):
Jared, Hey, we're gonna need you to tone it down
with the summer Friday thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Okay, what are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
Well, for one, it's not summer anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Oh really, Coconut.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Also, who is this?

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
I'm a caddie. Look he's my intern.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Sorry, and I'm there on his intern.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Yeah, he's doing a great job.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
No golfing in the office. Okay, Summer Fridays are over.
You can keep the Hawaiian shirt, but the rest of
this stuff, all right, are you grilling?

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
Oh yeah, did you want a burger?

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
A hot dog?

Speaker 6 (01:34:16):
No grilling in the office.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
It's a good point. We should take us outside.

Speaker 6 (01:34:21):
No that, don't you put that right back down. Yeah,
it's all in the hips.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
All right, let's move on to the A c C.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
The Jules Conference.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Jules is but I'll be quick, the least powerful power
conference in the world. I think that's the worst conference
we always have. I will say this year, I think
they're better. I think the conference finally got better. I
think it's super heavy, but I finally got better. But Jules,
I'll start with you because you have a lot of
ACC takes. Tell me what you think about the ACC.

(01:35:07):
Tell me your first ACC take.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
There's a couple of middling ones.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
I'll start with the There's two that I'm strong on,
and it's who's gonna be the best and who's gonna
be the worst. And I'll start with the worst, naturally,
because we're very negative guys here. Yes, Stanford is gonna
be brutal. They've won three they've won three games three
years in a row. And this will be the fourth
year that they win three or fewer games under three

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and a half. Put an article out on DK network
a while back at minus one thirty five on that
under that was the best price at the time. I
think they're one forty or one fifty now that's still
gonna be about the best price you can find, and
I'm fine with that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
Things get going.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Week zero, Saturday night, seven thirty Eastern kick at Hawaii.
Weird time for a Hawaii game. We're all gonna be
able to watch it and not be falling asleep. I
know we all took Hawaii plus three as a home dog.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
In that one. Hawaii is flipped to the favorite some spots.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Now, yeah, let's just call it a coin flip game.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
I don't like Stanley Island.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
I don't like Stanford to get that game on the
island and then at BYU to follow it up BC
at home at Virginia, you gotta go East. San Jose
State is a team that's getting a lot of love
out of the Mountain West. At SMU, you got to
host Florida State. Then you go at Miami on the
East Coast host Pittsburgh. Then you go at UNC to

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play Belichick. Then off your bye, you play Cal, that's
a winnable game. I'm down on Cal. I played some
Cale under five and a half. And then you close
out with Notre Dame, which is a loss. Like if
once once they hopefully lose to Hawaii, this is going
to be nearly impossible for them to find four wins. Stanford,

(01:36:55):
Frank Reich is stepping in doing Andrew luck, the GM
a favor coaching this team in the you know, midst
of losing their coach and looking for a new coach.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
They lose again.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
We the transfers that they lost, I mean, I mentioned
Is is out and they lose receivers, tight ends, o linemen.
All their key players transferred out, so they're losing talent.
They're kind of middling with a coach until they find
a coach, and the schedule does them absolutely no favors.

(01:37:28):
And again these ACC teams that are actually pack twelve
teams that have to make these these coast trips, and
they're playing some good teams along the way. Again, if
they beat Hawaii, I'll be a little worried that they can.
They can squeak out three more along the way. But
if they lose that road game, to Hawaii. I'm not

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surprised at all. If this is like a two to
ten team, you can go through what you know, I mean,
what they might the San Jose State. San Jose State
is I was chalking that up as a win to
begin with, and now I've looked at I've gotten to
the Mountain West and we'll get to the mountains later.
But San Jose State's a good team.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
So not tonight, No, not tonight. It's way too late
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
But like, I don't see a game where I look
at and I'm like, you're winning that game. There's not
one game on their schedule that I look at and say,
you're definitely winning that game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
So I got nothing on any team in the ACC, DAN,
but I'll just play Devil's Advocate real quick, and I
have nothing over on there on Stanford. But here's the
thing that would scare me. Frank Reich is probably not
a long term solution, right. He's probably not going to
be the Stanford head coach very long right, coaching for
another job. Like Jewels said, he's doing luck of favor,

(01:38:43):
but let's not kid ourselves. He's also not gonna want
to go out there and get embarrassed and get rocked
every single game either. And we know he knows what
he's doing, right Dan, And he's got a few tricks
up his sleeve, So it would would be under or
nothing for me. But would it shock you if if
Frank wins a couple of games that he's not supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Not at all. No, not that. That's kind of the
thing about about Sampa.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
That's what told me back.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Yeah, they return a ton of starters, like a ton,
Like I'll find the percentage here. I think they're top fifteen. Yeah, thirteen.
They returned the thirteenth most returning production in college football.
Now they lost keys, they lost the quarterback. But we
don't know. I don't know anything about Elijah Brown, Like
we just don't know anything about him. What if he's good?

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Like I say out there, I was getting stuck on Cal. Yeah, hey,
that's my fault because I looked at Cal.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
But but they brought in Elijah Brown. He might be decent.
Like I don't know. I don't know Bengal Branson, I
don't so, I don't know. I don't know enough about
like where this team is. They they kind of look
okay in the offensive line, and the running back round,
So I think they kind of might get somewhat better.
I like the coaching. I don't think it's bad. You,

(01:39:54):
I just don't know because the schedule's brutal. That's the
thing is like, the schedule is apsely brutal for them,
but cows a win. Honestly, I think Cal's a win.
B YU might be a win. That's my that's my only.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
It could be now, but that's gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Hawaii BYU. I still think threes there ceiling, but I
could see them upsetting.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
You're also coming off at Hawaii to at b YU
scheduling wise, if you like, like there's a buy in between.
Oh right, it doesn't appear right the week one one Okay, Yeah,
you're still back to back road though.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Yeah. And again, I mean it's it's it's not it's
not ideal. It's certainly not ideal. I'm not. I'm just
that's my only thing. I think they're ceiling for. I
think they probably go under. I just I think the
coaching is okay.

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
I don't know, it's a it's a good coach. I
just don't like the situation.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Sure, who who's the best, Who's the best team in
the a.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
CC that'd be Clemson. Now I'm going Clemson to win
the ACC. I played it at plus one thirty. You
can play at even money like everyone else. Everyone's on
this play. I think it's a fine play. We have
to make the conference championship game up at DraftKings Sports
Book if you want to go there, Clemson's minus one
eighty to make the game if you want to lay,

(01:41:08):
if you want to lay, juicier, I think they're gonna
win the game. But sure, I'll also take the minus
one eighty to get there. I'm staying away from the
win total. Now we're at a juice up nine and
a half win total wise, you open with LSU, that's SEC.
You close at South Carolina that's SEC. So you know
you got a couple of tough SEC games in there,

(01:41:29):
and I'm gonna I'm gonna just dodge those, I guess,
even though yes, I I played Clemson money line against
LSU week one. We laid that one. We'll get to
that on week one. But uh, ACC wise, I don't
see how they're not in the game. And you know
they're at Georgia Tech. That's a tougher game. They have
Syracuse at Carolina and at BC East Coast. Well they're

(01:41:53):
on the East Coast, but those two back to back
road games a little tougher. You got s MU is
a little bit of a revenge spot for SMU, but
that's a double digit spread on the look aheadline, you
get that game at home Duke Florida State at home
at Louisville is the tough one. But again I'm not
We're not going win total here. We need him to
be in in the game. Dan probably likes Louisville in

(01:42:14):
that game.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
From I actually think I think Louisville might be the
worst team in the ACC, if you want to take
really thought.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
That's a really hot take because Stanford and Caller in
the ACS.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
I know and I think that they're They're probably not
as bad as those two teams.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
But they're like right, So again, this brings me a
little bit of fear because they have a little bit
of Oklahoma State in them in the sense that everybody
is back. They lost film offa running back to the
NFL Draft. Running back room gets a little bit weak
transferred a high.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
I think MafA kind of stunk.

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
It's just they didn't have any one running running back
room could be tough for Clemson, but I like, I mean,
they're bringing back their top three pass catchers, Club Nicks
in the Heisman conversation, the defense is gonna be The
off line is nasty, the defensive line is nasty.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
The rest of the defense is gonna be nasty.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
I'm happy that at North Carolina is off a bye
because you know, Bill against Dabo that gets a little dicey.
But again, I would be stunned if they're not playing
in the ACC Title game. And again we're not going
over nine and a half here. They could be a
nine and three team. But I believe they're gonna be
playing in the ACC Title game and getting plus.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
Money on them to win that game. I'm I'm good
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Yeah. So I think defensively they're way better. I think
offensively they're they're kind of the same.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Like, I don't think they added much offensively. They don't
have a lot of depth. One or two injuries to
the wide receiver room, and I think they're fucked offensively.
That's my That's my concern about Clemson is like they're
one injury away from like being an eight win team again.
And they can't score again, and here we go again.
Like that's my big issue for them. They the offensive
line was like very mediocre last year, but they bring

(01:43:54):
me that four sharder, so they're gonna be good there.
But if they if they lose, they get injured on
in wide receiver the time, and they can't run the football.
I'm just worried about them offensively. That's where I am
on Clemson. I still think they're the best team in
the ACC, but I kind of think the schedule's brutal.
Like I kind of think the schedules sneaky tough, like
I think Georgia Tech's good. I think North Carolina could

(01:44:16):
be good. SMU is good. I think Deuce could. I
think Florida State's good. South Carolina LSU. I don't think
there's I think they're winning eight games. Maybe now they
could still win the ACC.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Jules right, so then an under nine and a half
a big plus money play for you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
I think they could wait an eight or nine win team.
I think they could. I just think that they're like
an injury away from being screwed anytime. The promise klube
Nick is so good, so I won't put my balls
in the line to do that. I'm just saying that's
my concern. M Clemson, I think I think it's I
still think it's a good bat. I know everyone's on it.
I still think, guess what, sometimes everyone wins. Like it's
part of the way it goes either way.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
You talked about Cal Jewels. I think Cal sucks. I'll
give you my big one in the ACC though. It's
Florida State over six and a half minus one forty. Uh.
They bring in Gus Malzone to run the offense, which
I think is just massive. He's a terrible head coach,
but he's a great offense coordinator. They're bringing Castianos to
win to run the quarterback position. I mean this is

(01:45:16):
Casianos is almost the exact perfect ideal quarterback for the
mal Zone scheme. Like he runs the football. He doesn't
need to throw a ton, but he throws a deep
and he runs the football and he can move. I
mean that's he's literally like Jordan Travis that that's what
he does. Travis was better than him, obviously, but like
that's that's all he needs to do. Wide receivers, they
lose you know, Benson and Douglas, but like they bring in, uh,

(01:45:39):
you know, Deuce Robinson from USC, Marcus Marcus and Douglas
and Randy Pittman. They're gonna be really good. I like
their wide receiver room a lot. They're big, they're fast,
they're strong. They remind me that they lose three offensive
line starters, but those guys kind of sucked. They had
a ton of great guys, so they rotated in. I
think they're gonna be better there because they added more
depth running back. They lose to Fawley, they're still Roy

(01:46:02):
del Williams, Cam Davis. I think they'll be fine defensively.
I think they got better on the defensive line. I
think they got better at the linebacking spot. I think
they could be okay in the secondary. But if even
the defense is somewhat the same as last year, and
the offense just doesn't suck ass and they run the

(01:46:24):
football with Castianos and they run the football, you know
at the runnings back spot with Roy del Williams and
Cam Davis and Gavin Sawchuk from Oklahoma where they brought in.
They also brought him Jayden Lucas from Indiana. Like they
brought all these kids in because they don't know what
mazz Alten's gonna like. I think they'll be fine. Like
I think, I think this is easily a underrated team.

(01:46:45):
I think the offense is really good. Bama's brutal. They're
gonna lose to Bama. But East Texas maybe the cover,
but not beating Bama. East Texas. A and M's will win.
Kent State's a win, Pittsburgh's a win, Stanford's a win.
There's four. Wake is a win at home, that's a win.
Virginia Tech to win at home. I mean that's six

(01:47:06):
right there. You're telling me they cannot beat one of
Virginia on the road. They can't beat Miami at home,
they can't beat I'm not gonna say Clemson because they
won't win that game, and they can't beat NC State
on the road. I think they win one of those
games pretty easily. I think they're probably an eight win team, honestly,
but I'm gonna say seven, you know, conservatively, I really

(01:47:29):
I'm very high on this team. I think you're looking
for a sleeper in the ACC. It's Florida State. I
think they have a real chance to make it to
the AEC Championship. They owly play two teams in the
ACC who are rated in the top five.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
With your guy Castalanos, that's my guy, he's not. All
you've done is tell us how much he sucks the
last two years.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
He does. With Bill O'Brien, who wants to forty times
a game, you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Just want to make sure that he's gonna be better.
With Mike Norvell, who crap down his pants all last year.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
But this is not Mike normal. This is Gus Malson's
running the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
They'll be better. There's nowhere to go but up.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
He's the perfect quarterback from system. That's all. I don't
think he's good. He's not a he's on an NFL quarterback.
He sucks, but he's a good fit for the system
and they're gonna run the football a lot. And that's
that's the way you win in college football, especially in
that conference where everyone's kind of a bitch. So, okay,
that's what I like there.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
I bet one thing so far in the A c C.
And it's and it's a game, uh and it's a
weak one. And I know Jewels is on it. I
think you're on it. And it seems looks like it's
starting to move a little bit, and that's Clemson minus
three versus l s U. So I agree with everything
that Jewels said about Clemson. I'm not sure if they're
back to like the the Shaun Watson Trevor Lawrence. Uh

(01:48:49):
they're type teams, right, But I think a good way
to put it is I think they're they're back to
like the Taj Boyd type teams. Yeah, right there, And
they return a ton of starters and and Dabbo finally
figured out that he's gonna have to dip his toe
in the portal and get on board with the nil,
which he did. And the wide outs are absolutely elite,

(01:49:10):
And I agree with you. Yeah, they're they're young, but
they're elite and if they have an injury there, they
could be screwed. But I think a lot depends on
club neck, right. Can he be elite?

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
Yes? I think he can.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
But they cannot start off like they did last year
versus Georgia in week one. That cannot be the case
versus LSU in week one. And I think we're gonna
see Dabbo have a really good game plan, and we've
seen Kelly and LSU. They've lost their last five openers.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
YEP. In college football.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
And I think the money's going the right way because
now it's starting to tick up to three and a
half and see some fours right here. I bet Clemson
minus three, and I think that they're gonna get the
job done and kind of set the tone for all right, Clemson,
Dabbo might have Clemson quote unquote back and going in
the the right direction.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Finally at the portal, right, finally went into the stupid tree.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
He didn't he didn't go much, but he did, you
know what I mean, Like, but he finally realized he's
he's not going to do anything in this uh in
the country if he if he doesn't get on board
with the portal and the nile.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
So, by the way, just to just want to point
it out, Hawaii just moved to minus one and a
half minus one fifteen as we're talking right now. So
the decent, decent move on Hawaii. All right, here you go, Jools,
Do you have anything else do you want to bring up?

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
We must be live right now. I mean go Rainbow
Warriors Week one. That's also technically an acc play because
we're fading standard.

Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, we all played that. Yeah, I
mentioned cal under five and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
I did play that, and that kind of goes against
CETSH logic because I'm playing two teams under that do
play each other.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
That's not true. I think it's just the over because
one of them has to win.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Well, one of them has to lose.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
I'm aware, but again, but they could lose. I disagree
with that because you can still lose a bunch of
other games. It's not you can't win if you you
need wins. You can still get other losses, but you
need wins.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Sure, think about it. I'll have to think about that.
It's late at night. I'll have to sleep on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
I might be too tired, might be uh.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
Just talking random bullshit, but I think that. Okay, anyways,
go no, that's about it. I played Cal under five
and a half as well, but we don't. We don't
have to dig too too deep into that one. That's
a smaller one. I played it when it was plus money.
Now we're laying a bunch of juice because people have
have been on it. But Cal lost a lost a ton,
and I think being up at five and a half

(01:51:34):
is just a little bit too lofty. That's not a
bowl team.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
Okay, the only other thing I played in the a
SEC was I played Duke over. I love Darian Mensa
from Tulane. I think he's phenomenal. I think he's a
legit upgrade over Malik Murphy. Even though some people disagree,
I understand that. I think he's really good. They did
lose their two top targets. That's my big concern with him.
That's why it's not a hammer play. But they are

(01:52:00):
fucking great defensively. Many Diaz was awesome for them.

Speaker 4 (01:52:04):
He was they brought.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
I mean defensively, they just made massive positions. They have
a great secondary this year, which was the big issue
last year at times. I think it's the strength of
the defense. Now, I think the defensive line improves. If
the linebacking corps is okay, they're good. I think this
team easily wins seven games. Again, Elon win at Tulane,
which is now with Retzlaf. Maybe not, but either way.

Speaker 4 (01:52:29):
Why'd you skip the line game? I like Duke Week
two at home?

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Really yeah, okay? Interesting? So either way, the the the
Illinois game.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
I'm not sold on this line.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
I'm not either, but I'm not counting as a win automatically.
Elon win NZ State win, Syracuse win, Cal win. Uh.
Then they get Yukon Virginia, weake Forest. I counted seven
right there, like I, and that's They still can win
a game at U n C. They can beat Georgia Tech,
they can beat Theloni game, they could beat Tulane, Like

(01:52:59):
I think, every game on their schedule is winnable.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Every single one, every single game.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Exce for Clemson. That's probably the game that they just
can't win. It's in Clemson, Clemson's off of buy They're
not winning that. But every other game is a winnable
game on their schedule, and they have a six and
a half win total.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
I don't get Mensa is a definite upgrade from.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
I love Mensa. I love him. I love them all right.
Final take, which I have not played yet, but I'm
going to play in some capacity. Louisville. They're bringing Miller
Moss here we go. I like Meler Moss. They lost
every wide receiver that they have except for Colin Lacy,
who didn't play. Yep, Colin Lacey is the only guy
they brought back. They lose four or five and six

(01:53:41):
of top seven offensive linemen. Okay, they run The running
back room is really good. I don't know what they
could be offensively without a line and wide receivers. Maybe
their offense, maybe the wide receivers are okay with Lacy,
who knows uh. Outside of Lubin, they lose every single
contributor on the defensive line. They returned starters on the
in the linebacking corps and they were okay, So maybe

(01:54:04):
they'll be okay. Okay there, they lost almost every single
person in the secondary, So the defense is gonna take
a massive step back. Offensively, they're not gonna be nearly
as good, you know, most likely, And the schedule is
very difficult. The James Madison game, that's a good James
Madison team. I think that's dangerous. But either way, say

(01:54:26):
they start three to zero at Pittsburgh Home vers Virginia,
should be win at Miami home versus PC at Virginia Tech,
Cal Clemson at SMU Kentucky. They should have three, four, five, six,
seven wins. Maybe their win total is eight eight and
a half. I think I haven't played anything on them.

(01:54:48):
I'm not gonna but I think I think they're I
think they're wildly overrated. I think they could they could
be much much, much lower. I'd be. I would say
Louisville probably gets absolutely shit can this year. They're probably
the team that would expect the fall of the most
that just I probably won't get to it, but I
would expect them to fall quite a bit. The one
other team I think that we should talk about guys

(01:55:09):
or guess two other Notre Dame. We haven't talked about
them at all. They're not an ACC team. We probably
should talk about them. And then Miami, if you want
to talk about them at all, I think we probably
should talk about them, and of course the UNC and
maybe SMU.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Quickly, Oh that's it all right, Well hit everybody in
the conference.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Quickly, SMU. Any thoughts SMU wise, you guys think they
repeat last year's performances or now?

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
I think it's I think Rhett Lashly is the is
the right guy, and it all's going to depend on
what Jennings does. I don't think they're going to be
as strong as they they were last year, and we
saw what happened to them when they started playing the
big boys, especially in the playoff game or in the
a SEC Championship versus Clemson, and then in the playoff

(01:55:58):
game versus Penn State.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
What happened.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
They got really pushed around and it kind of went
back to the SMU teams that we're used to seeing, Uh,
you know eight nine years ago when Baylor would smoke
them sixty three to seven. I don't know if they're
going to be as strong as they were last year,
and I probably don't consider them a top two team

(01:56:22):
in the in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Okay, yeah, I'm a slight step back on SMU. I
don't have a ton of thoughts on them not playing
them any which way, but uh, you know, they're in
the top top four for sure in the in the ACC.
But I would say Clemson is probably playing someone else
in the ACC title game.

Speaker 4 (01:56:42):
Okay, agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Miami brings in a new defensive coordinator from Minnesota, new
quarterback Carson Back. They lose cam Ward, they lose a
bunch in the wide receiver room. We're strepo fucking Daniels,
everyone everyone that they had or sorry they brought in Daniels. Sorry,
but they lose. They lose basically everyone in that rum guys,
including Jacoby George as well. Like they lost a lot

(01:57:04):
in that run outside of that well yep, well yeah,
Hordon as well, yeap. Outside of that, I mean, they
didn't lose very much. They they you know, who cares
about Damian Martinez? He was fine. But they bring back
good pieces all over the place, bringing a new DC.
I think they're probably better than they were last year.
If that's realistic, I don't know. I think they're They're

(01:57:26):
right there. I guess it depends on how you feel
about Carson back in the ACC. We just saw a
mediocre Big ten quarterback coming and absolutely dominate the ACC
at Syracuse, So like, what is.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
He worth all that money? That's gonna be the you know,
the million dollar question.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
They have a pretty easy schedule, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:57:44):
I mean, I like Notre Dame Week one verst No,
all right, not.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
Finally Notre Dame. Let's talk about them. You just brought
it up too.

Speaker 4 (01:57:51):
I mean, what do you guys think?

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
So Notre Dame and Miami obviously play each other Week one, Yeah,
I like one. I'll lump those together. I would lean
Notre Dame. Notre Dame's taking money. They've opened, They've moved
from two and a half to three three and a half.
I went under in that game. I like Notre Dame's defense.
You're gonna be dealing with the heat down there. We'll
see what the Miami crowd is like. But I like

(01:58:17):
Notre Dame's defense a lot to kind of keep it
together in that game against Miami, and then.

Speaker 4 (01:58:24):
That's gonna be a Notre Dame crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
It could be they're gonna travel for that game. I
hate to break its yea, it could be.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Yeah, yeah, I got that game under fifty four and
a half, and I did play Notre Dame to make
the college football playoff. I know we were when we
were on air at ninety five of the Sports Double
Joe Marray, we were talking a little Notre Dame in
the ten and a half win total. This is another
situation where I think it's not best to touch the
win total. But Notre Dame was minus one fifty five
to make the playoff. They've gone up since. We're looking

(01:58:52):
one to eighty one ninety range now, which is probably
a little steep. But they always they're gonna win ten
games and find a way to be in there.

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
I mean, if car is as good as everyone says
he is, then right, But I mean if he is,
they're gonna be awesome. They have a lot of a
lot of wide receivers, a lot of good offensive line,
best running back run in the country. Defense is probably
still really really good. And you know, the secondary loses
Avery Watson them. The secondary might suck for a little bit,

(01:59:23):
but I mean they're really really good. They do have
a dude in defensive coordinator and Chris ash too. I
don't know, they're still really really good man if Carr.
If Car is good, they make the playoffs. The Car
isn't good, I don't. I don't think they make the playoffs.
But I think that's it. I think they are better
offensively and worse defensively. There. I wouldn't play anything on
over under again on them again, I would lean over.

(01:59:44):
I would lean yes, playoffs, but not at that price.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
There's a lot of hype around around Car.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Yeah, as always with these with the young kids. All right,
that's so, that's it, finally finished all four conferences quickly.
I need you to pick. This is the one thing
we gotta do. Pick your four conference winners, Jesus, and
a champion. I'm not asking for that much, Jewels, give
me a court, four conference winners and a champion. You

(02:00:10):
already picked the Alabama for SEC. So easy. So give
me Big Ten, Big twelve and ACC. You picked the
Clemson for RAZC two.

Speaker 4 (02:00:18):
Yeah, so I mean I kind of gave out you.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
I did give out USC, you know, through two tenths
of a unit on USC to win the Big Ten.
If that that's kind of my dark horse there. I'm
not gonna sit here and tell you that USC is
going to win the Big Ten. I think Ohio State
is still the best team in the conference. I do,
and there's no value in betting that. So, but you're
asking me who to pick the winner. Ohio States your

(02:00:44):
your Big Ten champion, Alabama's your SEC champion, Clemson is
your ACC champion, and Baylor is your Big twelve champion.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
Okay, who wins the two wins at all?

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
Bam bam back on top saving lists? All right, twelve
to one, twelve fifty plus twelve fifty.

Speaker 4 (02:01:04):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Okay, Jewels, your turn.

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
I gave you Clemson in the ACC, I gave you
Georgia in the SEC. I'll give you Ohio State picking
the winner in the Big ten, Big twelve, a team
we didn't really touch on. You guys know, I love
my utes Witningham, best offensive line of his career. I'll
take Utah out of the Big twelve, and now I
gotta pick the natty man. Yeap, I have I have

(02:01:31):
some Clemson twenty to one in pocket. We got them
ten to one now, so I can't possibly there's some
twelve to one out there. Yeay, can't possibly do that.
M Like, I feel like it's dumb to go with
Alabama when I have Georgia winning the SEC. But I
think somebody in that in that range of like a
Clemson in Alabama are the best two bets to to

(02:01:53):
win it all versus these these plus five hundred to
seven hundred favorites.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
So guy with bam my SEC. I think they're just
I think they're a quarterback away from being fucking awesome.
I'll go with Ohio State Big ten. I just think
the whole conference sucks, and the whole conference sucks this year.
I think the conference is way down. Yeah, Clemson ACC.
I don't know who the fuck I'll pick in Big twelve.

(02:02:20):
I'll say Arizona State. I know they have no chance,
but I just think that they're still good. I still
I'm being honest. I have absolutely no idea who wins
in the Big twelve.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
Utah State kind of reminds me of Oklahoma State. Yeah, year,
because they have everybody coming back. You got Levitt back,
you got Tyson back. Uh, you got Dillingham, who's now
all of a sudden, this quote unquote elite coach. Yeah,
give me them not to win the Big twelve. Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
For my champion this year, I'll go with Notre Dame.
I'll be different. I'll go with Notre Dame just because
I think they can run the football and they're elite
offensive line, defensive line. I think Alabama is a good bet.
I'm probably I'm probably gonna bet both Bama Notre Dame.
I don't have a great read on it. I don't
think Texas, I don't think a lot of state. I

(02:03:11):
don't think Georgia. I definitely don't think Oregon. Definitely don't
think Penn State.

Speaker 4 (02:03:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
Yeah, I can't be Oregan's better off.

Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
It's a tough market right now.

Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
It's a brutal I mean, I think there's some good
long shot value this year. Good long shot value. I
kind of like USC seventy six to one. That's not
the worst the world. I'm just saying, if you're talking
about a team that has a total upside potential. They're
either gonna be terrible or they're gonna be awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:03:37):
I don't hate that. Yeah, toss a bonus on that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:39):
Yeah, all right, there you go. That's it. That's episode one.
That is our Power four three Episode two. Second two
that is episode two are Power for preview for the
Boston Handicoffers Network. We will be back in the next
week or two with a non Power for a conference preview.
I'm sure just can't wait for that one. And then

(02:04:03):
we will get over to the NFL with our NFL
preview coming up next. And then finally, Fellas in the
next few weeks, we will be doing a Week zero
in Week one preview where I can't fucking believe it's
almost here. It is though, it's almost here. That's it
for us, myself, Dan Lifshats, the DK Networks, Juan ed Loo,
and of course the UFC Master ct Bets will be

(02:04:26):
back to you in the next couple weeks. Hope everyone
has a great weekend. Talk to you later.

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