April 6, 2025 • 56 mins
Welcome back to another episode of Boundless Authenticity, today I'm joined by DC Copeland, an established writer, poet, dramatist and just like I am, a pissed off millennial with a lot to say about a plethora of issues. DC has written some books including An Artist’s Manifesto: Writing Under The Influence Of A Millennial Emergence. Societal Dropout: A Culture Manifesto For The New Millennium. DC's special skill is capturing the essence of current events and writes to an audience who understand that we are currently living in dark times and who want to listen to a story about overcoming the status quo, the cultural, psychological and spiritual sickness created by it and if you're an everyday ordinary person, then you will love this interview. Find DC at dccopeland.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A Clowndlish Authenticity podcast. Welcome back to another episode of
Boundless Authenticity. Today, I'm joined by d C. Copeland, an
established writer, poet, dramatist, and, just like I am, a
pissed off millennial with a lot to say about a
plethora of issues. DC has written some books, including an
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artist Manifesto, Writing under the Influence of a Millennial Emergence
and Societal drop Out, a cultural Manifesto for the New Millennium.
DC's special skill is capturing the essence of current events
and rights to an audience who understands that we're currently
living in dark times and who want to listen to
a story about overcoming the status quo the cultural, psychological,
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and spiritual sickness created by it. And if you're an everyday,
ordinary person then you will love this interview. You can
find DC at dccopeland dot com. And while I'm here again,
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mark your calendars. DC Copeland, how's it going.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's going well, Jahann. Now are you I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Very pleased that you said my name right?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
If I just made all my troubles float away? Yeah,
So everybody a little bit about you and how you
came to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Great. So I'm DC Copeland. I just earlier I spoke
with you about why I chose to make my name
into initials, and it's an interesting little peek into my
experience the world, which is basically that when I was
starting out as a poet, starting to get published in
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my twenties, like fifteen years ago, I found that when
I went by Deborah, I wasn't published as much as
when I went by D. C. Copeland, and people mistook
me for a man, and writing these sensitive kinds of
poems got published more when when they would respond to me, oh,
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you know, you seem like a very sensitive fellow, right,
like something along those lines, and I would have to,
you know, say that I was a female, but please
publish it under D. C. Copeland, And I just started
using D. C. Copeland as my name, So that's that's
my name, basic, like the basic name of D. C. Copeland.
And how I found myself finding you is that I
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wrote society. I wrote I first, I wrote an ARS manifesto,
which is basically a manifesto dealing with polyamory and sex
and gender and drugs and suicide. And it kind of
happened in collaboration with an art gallery which is no more.
But you know I was. I was friends with someone
who owned a gallery, and it was just it was
I started writing about art and I started writing this
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very fast, kind of raw, vulnerable voice. You know, I
lay prostrate before the authority of my soul. To discuss
the death drive is not one I easily tackle, but
my meaning to do so is clear that kind of
like raw, let's talk about the death drive, Let's talk
about soul, let's talk about honoring it. All of this
just kind of poured out, and that became an artist
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manifesto and that is available on Amazon on today. Through that,
I found an agent, right and and I and he
was like that this is such an interesting voice. Let's
talk about like different other other other topics that are
are our relative to the millennial experience. Let's talk about AI,
let's talk about social media, let's talk about mental health,
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Let's talk about not just like polyamory, but maybe we
could talk about gender wars. And he had all these ideas.
So that became Societal drop Out, a culture manifestor for
the new millennium. And that right now is being shops
around to different publishing companies. So so you don't you
can't purchase that yet, but you will be able to
purchase that. So that and my agents suggested I started
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looking at podcasts and that's how I found Jahann. I
looked at he gave me a long list of millennials
that were doing interesting stuff, and I started doing research
to collect in order to collaborate with some of these
fine folks and I and I started listening to Jahan's
and I was like, this sounds like a soul, a
fellow soul, doing their thing, being rebellious and with their
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own voice. And I think one of the messages and
what makes me want to be here today is to
like to inspire other people to speak with their own
true voice. And you know, when I say I dropped
out societal dropout, I'm saying I dropped out of the conventions,
the conventional way we think about society in order to
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bring to the table my own specific point of view
on what's really going on beneath how we're taught to
look at the world.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I totally identify with what you were saying, though about
having to change your name, because when I was in
the music industry, everybody would be like, what kind of
fucking name is Jahan? We got to change that stat
I mean, nobody's going to take you seriously. And I
was like, really, so what you're suggesting is going to
be taken more seriously than my actual name. That makes
no sense to me whatsoever, because nicknames are inherently bad.
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In the music industry, band names are inherently bad. All
of them are bad. Anybody that says, well, that's a
killer band name is just nuts. They're all inherently bad.
They just work because it's like a smoke screen for
a time. But you know, you know how it is.
That's a thinker. We'll see it, but others won't.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So I get it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And stuff like that's been going on from time immemoriam.
People don't take you seriously and unless you're not a
real person to them, you know, they can't reach out
and touch you.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
That's better for them.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But you were just telling me about incredibly a harrowing experience,
and I specifically said to you, and I want this
to get on the show. Don't fuck with DC Copeland
because she will come back from the dead and get
your ass. She's not playing.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I did come back to be here.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Jhans, Oh yeah, yeah, So you know tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well I did. I recently had a brush with death twice.
I'll say that twice. On October fourth, twenty twenty four,
I woke up in the worst pain of my life.
I mean, we're talking like I understood, like she's gone
believe she's in no more pain like I was. I
was like, I am dying. I also was eight weeks pregnant,
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and I will say this, it was the happiest I've
ever been in my life. It was an unexpected pregnancy,
but I was so happy to be a mother.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I was.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I was like, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing this.
The father was not in the picture, but I was
still like, I'm like, wow, I will be a single
millennial mother and I will rock this. I will rock this.
This is going to be awesome. So I was eight
weeks pregnant and I woke up with the worst pain
in my life. I did not go to the emergency room.
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I was and to be frank, I was scared that
they were going to do something that would hurt the
unborn child. So I was going to deal with the pain.
I was going to deal with this bringing pain. A
few days later, I did go to the emergency room,
but I didn't let them do anything. I was still like,
don't touch me. I'm really worried about this child, and
I will deal with this fucking pain. And like, that
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was the first time I was offered more thing in
my life, and I actually and I said no. I
said no, I'm going to go home. Three days later,
I wound up back in the emergency room, and at
this point I intuited that there was no way that
this baby was still alive. I was like, this baby
is dead and I am dying. My body had started
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shutting down. I couldn't urinate, my stomach had become so distended,
and I really thought there was just something around me.
I was like, this is this could be the end,
and this this sucks, but this might be the end.
And I went to urgent care, and urgent care called
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the angler. We can't, we need you got to go
to the emergency roup. So I went to U n
Yu Land going and uh I had I was septic.
And for those of you who don't know what sepsis is,
sepsis is a blood condition where your blood is infected
and like a normal blood count is like four to
ten and I was at like a forty something, so
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my blood was really infected, and my organs had started
shine down. My uterus had shut down, so the baby
was dead. The my bladder had shut down, so I
couldn't urinate. Other organs were starting, kidneys were starting to
shut down my entire body. I was, I was, I
was dying. And that was the second time they offered
me morphine. And you better believe it, yes to that.
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And I'm going to just say that. Throughout my entire
stay at the hospital. For the next ten days, I
was on heavy orphane and lodden. The miscarriage saved my life.
I was around the clock and about it's four IV
ports an n GT tube, which, if those of you
who don't know, an energyttube goes right through your nose
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into your stomach. It comes to stomach, gets sort of
like horrible thing. You know, it's like a bag and
you know, urine collects urine. And and I was, I was,
I was every day I was. That wasn't sure if
if I was living or dying. But I lived, I lived,
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baby died. I lived. I get back home after that,
and I'm like, yes, I'm going to recover now. Now
I recover, and maybe I will get pregnant again because
that was so exciting. Maybe I'll find somebody and blah
blah blah. Two to three weeks later, I mean the
worst pain again. I'm in horrible pain again, and this
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time I do go right to the emergency room and
they say, you're appendix as burst, but we can't take
it out because there's this ball that this abscess and
that's just an inducted ball of just like and it's
preventing us from taking out the appendix. We have to
keep you in the hospital again, give you a bunch
of the morphine, shrink the abscess, and then you know.
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So they they said, and which is like a head?
Which is morphine? Uh and and and they said, basically,
we want you to get the appendix out as soon
as possible, but you're gonna have pain, and you should.
You can use this heavy pain, this heavy narcotic to
manage your pain. So last week I got my appendix out.
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But that but for November and December, I had two
other stays in the hospital because there was so much pain,
and I had I had conflict about taking the Dolawden
because it was it was masking the pain. Anyone who's
ever taken de lawd in or morphine knows that what
it does is your pain is really acute, and then
it dulls the pain and kind of makes it go
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into like like you're on an island and you're away
from the pain and the pain's over there, but it's
not real. Whatever's causing the pain is still causing the pain.
I was given several tests and they said each time
that the tests were inconclusive because you can see I'm
a fairly thin person and so all my organs are
kind of like interposed on each other, so it's hard
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to see what's really going on. When they finally opened
me up, they were like, Wow, there was so much infection.
I actually wrote a will before this surgery because I
wasn't sure what was going on. They weren't sure. They're like,
there was so much infection. There was like all the
assists stuff, and no wonder, you've been in so much pain.
And they released me again with the lawden of course,
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and here I am back from the dead. I'd say
that back from the dead twice because my appendix ruptured
and I survived even though they didn't take it out.
And then the other time was you know, I was
sept and there's eleven million deaths that happen every year
from sepsis, so it's like, you know, it's not something
that is like guaranteed to like live through. So yeah,
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so when you say Jahanne that I'm like back from
the death, Like I will come and tear you a
new asshole right from like the grave. I will totally
do that, Like like I'm here sitting with you because
I truly want to continue on the road of life.
But yeah, like there was a moment that I want
to share with the listeners where my soul was literally
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like there was two or three moments where it was like,
if this is the end, then this is the end.
And it's been a real nice run and I've enjoyed it.
I've enjoyed my time here, but maybe this is the end.
And for somebody, you know, that's fairly young, right to
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have this experience of being okay with not being here anymore,
as a very I find it to be strange and
I just had it, so you know. So that's that's
that's the harrowing tale that I wanted to share with you.
And we can draw many conclusions from this tale, but
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there's a few that I would that I would bring
home for you if you want.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, I would like to draw several conclusions. And like
when you told me about this the first time, it
shines a huge light on exactly what is being done
to people. People are being victimized by the pharmaceutical companies.
They run everything, and there's almost no escaping and you
could have lost your life. And yes, nobody knows how
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many hundreds of thousands or more of people are losing
their lives every day because of this. And it's bullshit
and it's not going to get better until the average
people who as you know, Eric from said that people
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are hardwired to be submissive to authority. But I also
think that his illusions there are basically, in a very
roundabout way, saying that people choose to be that way too,
like they choose to not think beyond a certain point,
and we have to stop doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's not working for us anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
No, No, it's not. It's it's it's it's you know,
I can understand why people become I mean, I I'm
counting days off of the list a lot, and I'm like,
I'm tent. I haven't. I haven't had delud in my
days my system for ten days. Because you better believe
I I you can become you can become addicted to
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this stuff like that. Like that, and there's such a
mixed message happening because we're like teaching our kids and
our teenagers don't do drugs. Drugs are so bad, but
yet we're we're giving them like embetterment, right and riddl
it and like all these different drugs just like to
you know, like like loosely, you know, we're also like
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just in the basic sense of the way the hospital
treated me in terms of like pain management, like here's
a bunch we're sending you home. Here's a bunch of
pills that like, here's a bunch of heavy narcotic addictive
pills here. And and when I would go to the
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hospital without even oh, you're in pain, you're in pain,
without even asking me any questions, it was here, we're
going to get you comfortable. And I felt like I
was going into like an opium den of like the
nineteen twenties or something like that. I was like, oh,
this is what and everybody like I get it. Were
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it's a lot easier to manage an emergency room if
you've got a bunch of people strung out on morphine.
And there's one way of looking at this, because I've
been in the emergency room probably a total of ten
days in the past four months, and there's one way
of looking at that emergency room and being like, we're
just a bunch of strung out fellows here waiting for
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our next fix, and like, how horrifying. But that's the truth.
That's me true.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, And what you've said there represents the average person
because everybody is too smoked up, too hyper sexualized, overcaffeinated, alcoholic.
They're medicated on pharmaceuticals or whatever else they can get
their hands on, so nobody's thinking rationally. And like you said,
it's a lot easier to manage a hospital full of
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people if they're drugged up, but it's a lot easier
to manage the entire population if they're all drugged up
and dissociated.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yes, yes, that's and that's what I think. One of
the one of the essays I wrote about in the
book is is exactly about that. It's like America the hypocrite.
You know, the war on drugs is like is a farce.
It's a farce because we're all addicted to these drugs.
And like, I think it's something like twenty two percent
of people identify with some kind of depression, bipolar anxiety disorder,
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post traumatic stress disorder, some kind of disorder and we
think we can have a functional society when like one
fourth twenty Like when when when like one I had
of four people identify as having some kind of disease
And that's that's insane. How can we actually think we
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live in a healthy that America? I mean, I don't
know about the rest. I mean even I would say
the Western moral but like, like, how can we think
we have we have a shot at a healthy way
of managing our society if the individuals around us are sick.
There there's I think every single person knows somebody or
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is somebody that identifies with suffering from like depression, bipolar
anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, alcoholism, drug addiction, add
like the buds.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, and it's it's totally fair and factual to say
what you have just said because America is the staging
ground for the entire psychological operation. That's why it's you know,
doesn't matter what corner of the world you're in. We're
conditioned from birth to have this perception that America is
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this great place that you want to be there, you
want it, you have to accept it. It's like a
from the time you're born, there's this long hypnotic induction
that occurs where you're led to believe that you need
to focus on what they're doing. That's the right thing,
that's how we should all aspire to be. And it's
nothing but sickness. It's been nothing but that, tricks and
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lies and you name it since the very get go.
And it's kind of like you know when you've seen
I forget that movie because I don't really watch too
many things, but it's like having a speculum or something
that you're like, ah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Up, regarrane, pluck garden. It forces eyeballs open. He has
to like watch movies of like insane destruction and stuff,
and they give they give him you're writing the money
to hand with that because like they give him a
drug like that makes him like is going to make
him not a violent person anymore, like so that every
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time he sees violence, they like force his eyeballs open.
And then every time they say he sees violence, he's
gonna associate it with sickness because they poison in him
while he watches violence. And that's how they this experiment
is supposed to create individuals that are no longer violent
as opposed to like teaching individuals or having a non
violent a society that practices nonviolence right as opposed to
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like teaching Gandhi in school or like, I don't know,
I don't know how you create a non violent society,
but I think one of the first ways of doing
so is realizing how freaking violent we actually are towards
ourselves and towards each other, and not like running away
from that. Like even I think drugging, even drugging something
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like drugs as a solution, can be a form of violence.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I agree, he totally. Like every kid should be forced
to read Animal Farm and Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg
or something like that, you know, like just just so
that they know, like this is this is how society
actually is, and these pigs, these fictional animals are trying
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to tell you something. And then this is how you
speak to people you know, and then you know, this
is how you treat yourself. And because it's crazy, like,
let's go back to the Delauded thing. Seven years ago,
I had a client that got hooked on Delauded when
she was fourteen years old. She came to me at
twenty three unable to get off of it. Since then
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she said something happened to her that day when her
entire spirit changed, and she hasn't been able to reclaim
any aspect of her soul since then. We've had to
part ways because she was on a plethora of other drugs.
She would often have relapses and be like, I can't
come to the session today because I just woke up
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in the hospital from an overdose. I literally had these
auditory hallucinations occur where I was just minding my own business.
Next thing you know, I was in a drug den
with a needle stuck in my arm, and now I'm
in the hospital. And it completely corrupted her. And I
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don't even know if she's still alive or not, to
be honest with you, but that's what's going on out there.
And so when people say dumb shit like all ketamine
works for people with anxiety and all that, it doesn't
show me the actual circumstances, the day by day, hour
by hour playback of this person's internal world and how
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they actually dealt with the situation before and after a
snapshot of their internal representation systems, how they think and
believe and act, and their emotional state. And I'll let
you know if ketamine works are not I can guarantee
that if you look at all of that in context,
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you're going to find ketymine doesn't work, psychedelics don't work,
And a lot of people are going to turn off
this podcast and never listen again because I said that
goodbye to you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Well, I mean, I think there's something to be said
about you know, there's a new craze like right now
of mainstreaming psychedelics and mainstreaming marijuana, and I think that
this is not necessarily the solution, that this is just
a way of masking still continuing to mask a deep
psychic sickness that is collective and only through like individuals
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being like, wait, wait, where where's the anxiety coming from?
And I'll tell you. I believe that it comes from
the world and how we're supposed to fit into the world.
And I think if and that's why, I mean, that's
the reason I wrote Societal drop Out, because it's this
idea of like, find the peace in yourself with the
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solutions that society offers our drugs and a mixed mess
and a stigma that drugs are bad, so you're a
bad person. But here you go that mixed message, here
you're a bad person if you take this. But here's
the ketamine. Here it is, and it's good for you,
and it's good for you. These studies, these studies show
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and we're not doing stuff. How about more studies of
like what about if you you know, I don't, I don't,
I don't buck studies. At some point we're just like,
you know, what what works for you? Like how like
we do? This is what we do. We like we
look at normal people, and normal the normal person isn't happy.
The normal person is like on a roller coaster of
anxiety and depression and at x euphoria sometimes when they're
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like you know, having sex or self medicating or you know,
putting themselves in extreme behaviors or on vacation. But the
normal person isn't necessarily a happy person. So we want
I think it would be very interesting is we start
to like take a happy person, what's a happy person doing?
Like David Lynch just died and he was this really
creative dynamo, right David Lynch. Someone does might not know
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who David Lynch is, but David Lynch was a creative
uh director who directed and wrote Twin Peaks and like
Maul and dry and blue velvet and the first Dune,
which you know, whatever, but I loved it. Anyway. He
was a really happy person. And I've been listening to
a bunch of interviews with David Lynch, and one of
the things he did was he like meditated every day,
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and he was and he was kind to people like
he was kind. He was a kind person who like
tried to create a family environment in every and no
actor has anything negative to say about their experience working
with Dave. But I think it's something to be said,
like kindness, Like we don't teach kindness necessarily, so we
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teach ambition and getting a head and being at the
top of the class. I mean, anyone I get. I
get why you want to like take some pills and
get away from that like really kind of intense, I
don't know, backwards way of thinking about yourself, and that
every end, that your esteem and your value is completely
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dependent on how much stuff you get, how many awards
you win, how much money you make, how many wives
you have, how many women you've fucked, how many are
men you are interested in you or people you know,
like all this stuff that's all on the surface, that
that that that's how we're conditioned to think that like
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that's a happy person or a successful person, and and
that's not working. That's not working. We have we have
an increasing rate of suicide jan and we have an
increasing rate of drug addiction. And I'm concerned about this.
And I'm concerned about this especially in like the millennial generation,
because it's in our generation, and it's like, it's happening
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to us, and it's like, what, well, what can we
do about that? Like, like that makes me so sad
that people are like, oh, like like your like your client,
that that people are are are overdosing and their lives
are getting thrown away and and and nobody seems to
be able to address the problem. And and the baby
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boomers are living very long and they're very influential to
the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I don't want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist,
but I think that this kind of stuff happens a
little bit too often to not just say outright whenever
I'm having a conversation about this kind of truth, I
get knocked off conveniently.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So maybe you could just pick it up from where
you left off.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Oh, I just was saying, how I think we are?
I think it's we're like a it's a suicidal Unfortunately,
what's happening is an increase in suicide in the millennial
generation and an maloriy my hid and an increase in
drug addiction in the millennial generation.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, and it's by design, unfortunately. I mean, how are
you supposed to know yourself to the extent that you can, like, Okay,
you actually said something you need.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It was so cool.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It was so fucking cool because it shows your level
of self awareness where you were acutely aware of that
part of you that wanted to become addicted to the
chemicals that you were put on.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
People lack that. So how are you supposed to develop
that when you're inundated with addictive substances like sugar et cetera,
which is engineered now to be not sugar anymore. It's
just crack basically, right, you know, when you have doritos
with twenty six ingredients or more in it, and all
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of those things, the body doesn't recognize as anything other
than a synthetic substance, and so it's going to get
addicted to that. How are you supposed to know the
difference between yourself, the world at large, and what's being
offered to you in between. When you're just in a
with chemicals from birth, you lose that ability to self reflect.
(30:05):
And like you were saying earlier about the ketamine thing
and how all that stuff doesn't work, the only thing
that works is breathing and self reflection, does it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, there's no secrets.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, no, I mean there's no, it's not there is
no secrets. I will say, I'm not sure I mentioned it,
but yeah. The last time I went to the emergency
room was the day before my surgery, and I was
in a lot of pain and the surgeon said, just come,
we'll get you comfortable. These are the words. We'll get
you comfortable, and we'll take and we'll do a cat skin.
And when he said I'll get you comfortable, I said good, good, right, yes, yes,
(30:47):
I was like good. And my boyfriend was there with
me at the time and he was kind of horrified
and he's like, you really And it was grood to
have somebody actually check in with, to check in with,
But I was like, I'll be honest, and you're in
a lot of pain. Yeah, that shit sounds really good.
That shit sounds really good. But I'm doing this and
(31:08):
I think this might be a helpful tool to anybody
who wants to get off this shit. Is that I'm
counting days with a friend of mine. I'm saying, like
day one off de Lawden, So today's day ten off
da Lawden. I haven't had Dolawden or morphine for ten days.
And it helps because it's difficult. It's difficult because the
body likes that feeling of not having that tension and
(31:35):
that pain, or rather it's a break from that. I
don't think it's the body is meant to have that level.
I think that's why people die. People die of drugs
because you're not meant to have that level of just
oh you know, they're supposed to be a level of
tension or pain. That's how you know. Oh I need
to stretch, Oh I need to eat. Oh I need
(31:58):
to take a walk, I need to breathe, I need
to meditate, I need The body can't be an equilibrium
if it's constantly all the pain and all the sensation
and all the feeling is being muted, right, if it's
all being pushed far away, it can't do anything. Uh,
(32:20):
And so that we're not meant to live on morphine
or to Lawden or even just like this craze of
like psychedelics or marijuana or like we're I don't think
we're meant to live like high all the time. I think,
I think, and I write about this, that there's a
right you can use. I think there's a right time
to to take to go on. And I've never done aahuasca,
(32:42):
but yeah, I can. I can see like going like
once or twice in your life to a medicine man
and having a ritual and working some shit out with
somebody that that's part of their culture and they know
what they're doing. You know. Do I think tripping on
aahuasca every weekend is a good all to life's difficulties
(33:03):
and challenges. Absolutely not. And that unfortunately, stuff like stuff
like that is kind of like, yeah, take some CBD
gummings every night, and it's like, well, maybe you're not
sleeping because there's some other things going on that we
can address. You know, maybe you're not sleeping because you're
watching you're constantly on Twitter and you're constantly refreshing your feed,
(33:25):
and you're like getting concerned about things that really aren't real,
Like Twitter's not a real place. Remember, I mean like
these are all like and that's something too that I
think are the millennial generation it has to is so
important for us to kind of like to own is
that like we are a social media slash, Like uh yeah,
(33:52):
like we're we are the generation that like grew up
basically with all these devices and all these like social
media outlets, and it's like they're great distractions, but we're
also like getting heavily into drugs. Drugs are becoming part
of like the millennial everyday experience, whether that's just the
(34:14):
fact that like cannabis is legal everywhere, or we're taking amphetamins,
we're taking Riddlin, we're taking Sarah quoll, we're taking gun typing,
we're taking clinazipam, we're taking opioids. We are being prescribed
all of this stuff and we're taking it right. And
it's not that and I don't want to like negatively
(34:35):
stigmatize it. It is what it is. It's we're a
society that generates drug addicts, and we are the drug addicts,
and like how do we get well? How do we
get well? That's like the big that's and I don't
think anyone cares enough to really to really ask ask
of ourselves like are you but are you well? Yes,
(34:58):
you're masking the pain and you're doing and you're allowed,
you're getting you're masking the pain with xanax and cannabis. Okay, okay,
but are you well? Are you happy? I don't think
people are actually being asked that question. I think people
are being taught to cope.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I don't even think they're really being taught to cope.
I think you know, it's called social media, but it
should be called dissociative media. Yes, because and this is
the third time I'm saying this in a row on
an episode, that everything in society is structured for you
to dissociate from.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
The reality of it.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
And if you look at all of the New Age propaganda,
all of the personal development garbage that's on the Internet,
where people think they're improving theirselves, they're learning narcissism. They're
not learning really about true kindness or true forgiveness or
anything like that. You listed a whole set of drugs
(36:02):
there that at one point or another, I've had clients
who've come to me to help them work with their
doctor to get off of those drugs, because they were
taking sarah quill, for example, and as soon as they
started taking sarah Quill, they started having auditory hallucinations that said,
open the drawer, take out the scissors, and stab your mother.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You know, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
So that's a good example of how these drugs don't
do any good. They're not doing any good for anybody,
doesn't matter how much somebody thinks they've improved or some
doctor says is working. In the long run, it's not
doing much of anything for you at all. It's actually
creating more issues. And I think that's the plan, honestly.
(36:47):
And if you look at the commercials that come on
TV and stuff, the names of these things are getting
even more ridiculous, almost like they're mocking you. And it's
the way that they take these old songs and stuff
that were really popular, and to take those songs on
purpose because they were they've been downloaded into your consciousness,
(37:08):
because they've been a part of public consciousness for so
long that there's something about that that almost becomes one
with your subconscious the instant you enter the world that
you identify with it. When you hear it and the
lyrics have been changed to sell a pharmaceutical. You know, yes,
that it's automatically appealing, Like these marketers know exactly what
(37:30):
they're doing. They're not stupid, and the average person takes
that for granted. They think, okay, so they say things like, oh,
you know, I can just leave it on in the background.
I just ignore it anyway, really can you? Because everything
that you hear is going right into your subconscious whether
you like it or not. You can't stop that from
happening just because you know. It's kind of like if
(37:52):
a tree falls in the woods, you know, did it
really happen if you didn't hear it it?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Did it really did? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So that's where we're at with this kind of stuff.
It's about getting the average person to be honest. But
how are you going to get the average person to
be honest when they are living in a society that
conditions you to be complicit with lies? Lies are normal?
(38:24):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Lies are normal, And like how to be a better
liar is what we have going on.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's kind of like you know that movie Liar Orlar
with m Jim Carrey right right?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Completely?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh god, yeah, no, it's it's how do you I mean,
this is my advice. I mean, how do you drop
out from that? Like? How do you get yourself good?
How do you like check in with your soul or
whatever is the still quiet voice inside yourself and honor it,
(39:04):
and honor it, no matter if it's telling you that
everyone around you is bullshitting, or that like you don't
fit in with your friend group anymore, or that like
the mo of like maybe one day at a time
doesn't work. Maybe you know, maybe the platitudes don't work,
or maybe they do. Maybe that's what you need to
(39:25):
hear today. Maybe one day at a time is I'm
just saying that sometimes we collectively think that like if
I do X, Y and Z, I'm going to feel
a B and C because that's what they tell me
to If I if I go one day, if I
(39:45):
live one day at a time, and I and I
just do the next right thing, and I just do
good orderly direction, and you know, and I and I
go to yoga, and I go to soul cycle, and
I go to the gym, and I go out with
a friend, and I work from nine to five and
(40:09):
then I take my pills and I go to bed,
and I do the next thing every day, then I'm good.
I'm having a good life. But the question is not
that that's a good life can look exactly like that.
I would like subtract the pills, but a good life
can look something like that. But is it your life
or are you just living the prescription, the program, the formula.
(40:32):
Because if you're just living the prescription, the program, the formula,
then like you're missing it. You're missing your life, You're
missing it. And you know, in my day probably looks
a lot like other people's days. I get up, I
have coffee. I mean, I write for a living, so
oh I start writing, you know, but I start doing
my work, right, whatever your work is. But I would
(40:55):
say this is like, I think one of the reasons
I've been able to stay off of drugs is because
there's things in my life that are worthwhile to me
that I in my soul want to be doing. And
it's not that I've done like drugs and I've done
my work, and I'll tell you it's better, I'm better.
(41:17):
I'm better to just do I don't it's not even
it's that I don't need it and I'd rather do
a simpler life with less things that I need. There's
a few things that I need. I need to love,
I need to be loved. I need to nourish my body.
(41:41):
I need to nourish my soul. I need to stimulate
my mind. I need to honor my emotions. And I
need to contribute. I need to feel that I'm contributing
my voice. That's what I need. And it might be
different from like a b Jahn needs, you know, but
like I guarantee you that like the simplest, like I
(42:04):
don't need to be taking like sleeping pills, you know,
like some people might some people that are listening, if
you're listening, I'm not knocking sleeping pills or whatever. I'm
just trying to like ask you, well, what how can
you live? How can you like live a life that
(42:27):
feels authentic and like truthful to that still quiet voice
inside yourself? And if you have never experienced that still
quiet voice inside of yourself, like do you want to?
Because I believe I believe I believe that it's there.
I believe everybody has like a still quiet voice, call
(42:50):
it soul, God, higher power, universe, field of consciousness, unity,
you know what I mean. But I believe it's there,
and I believe we're all part of it. I believe
we're all like manifestations of it.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, there's just
so much stuff, even like listening to music and stuff
with streaming services and everything. No, there's not a single
moment throughout the day you see people walking around with
these ridiculous earbuds in their ears, wireless earbuds, and they've
(43:29):
always got something on. There's always a podcast happening, there's
always music happening. And what that does to people is
it disables their ability to not only let thoughts come
through for analysis, but then they're always relaying on something
else for joy or some other emotion. They put on
(43:51):
a sad song. They want to feel sad, they want
to relive something bad that happened or that they see
as bad, and you know, they want to go to
the gym. They have to put on their favorite playlists
to go to the gym. Nobody's lifting weights anymore, just
in silence, so they're not using that quiet time. Because
when you're tearing your muscle fibers, then your subconscious is
(44:13):
gained all these wonderful memories and emotions and things that
you're supposed to work through. But if you're listening to
a podcast, you're not doing that. You're engaging in somebody
else's opinion about fuck all of nothing that has nothing
to do with the way that you live your life
as an individual every day. So it's actually the opposite
of empowered thinking. And this is what passes for liberation
(44:38):
is it's a forest. It's garbage. And I'm not saying
there's anything wrong with that stuff, but I'm very alwayspoken.
And I've also realized that if you leave any leeway
for maybe this thing is good, people don't take you seriously, right,
So you kind of have to go to the extreme
if you want to plant that seed. They just sound
(45:01):
he just said it was great. So I'm not going
to stop doing that thing. I'm not going to think
about why I do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, and years go by and a life goes by
and you don't stop and think about it. And I
think one of the benefits of doing a podcast like
this is just like and maybe in an extreme way,
someone needs to hear, like, there's a fucking another way
to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, I want people to listen to us and be
like you know what I do that I might have
a problem.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, yeah, and there is another way, and like quiet
is okay, like like being silent with yourself. Like I
cannot stress enough. How like, as someone who's been in
the emergency room at least like ten days in the
past three months with the big being and the like
the doctor and the light's going on and off and
(45:50):
all this shit, I can't stress enough how Like valuable
silence is. It's so valuable. It's so important to be
to be silent with ourselves and or to be quiet
with ourselves, and like we don't that's not that is
not a societal trope. Like if anything, people are like
(46:11):
like like I need the podcast going on all the time,
or I need this that's a that's a that's a
going on all our time, or what's the trauma with
my new boyfriend? Like it's just so silly, it's so silly,
and it's so unnecessary, you know, it's so fucking unnecessary.
And yeah, I just I want I want people to
(46:33):
be like, yeah, maybe I could, maybe I could try
to like not like to go to the gym and
maybe like and lift weight. I like that idea of
lifting weights and not having the everybody's got those EarPods
in their ears all the time, and so we're not
even like present with each other. Like you, I'm like
a New Yorker righta walk in on the street in
(46:55):
New York, and like everybody's zoned in to their own
different channels, having their own different experiences, and it's getting
worse and not better. And how can we And I
think one of the most healthy things in the world
is connection and feeling like connected to another person, you know,
like feeling that way, and oh my god, it's definitely
(47:16):
like it's definitely I think the best. Yeah, it's the
best to feel connected to another person. And we're missing it.
We're missing it. We're missing the best things about life.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
And having said that, you have the best personality. I
wish you were in my neighbor. I just come on,
but yeah, you get it. If you lack the ability
to be present with yourself, then what are you doing
to the other people in your environment, your children, especially.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
What are you doing to them?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
You know, here's the I think one of the things
you're saying to them is that you're not valueball, Like
there's better things out there than you and then the
kid gets grows up thinking that there's I'm not good enough,
(48:09):
there's something better, and then and gets depressed and then
gets into the Once you get in, this is very
very much my experience of like the whole psychological field.
And I'm not there's a time and a place for therapy.
I'm not knocking therapy, but I am sad at how
many people need therapy, and that once you get into
(48:30):
the circuit of the psychiatry and you start taking drugs,
and it gets younger and younger and younger. When you
prescribe drugs, it's very hard to get off of the drugs.
It's very hard. It's almost it's so hard, and so
anybody that's been on drugs for so long, I feel
for you because it's so hard. I talk about this
(48:51):
in the book.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
It's like, it is incredibly hard to get off these
drugs because you start so young, and it's arts and
it's and we can see the root with just what
you said.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
We're not paying attention to how each how we feel.
We're in our own little world and parents are doing
this to their kids, and the kids grow up and
they wonder why there's a rise of ADHD and I
think it's pretty obvious why there's a rise of ADHD,
Like the parents are off doing X, Y Z, compartmentalizing here,
there and there, and the solution for the kids is
(49:26):
to do X, Y and Z and compartmentalize and do
this and this and this, and so the teachers are saying, no,
this kid can't focus, this kid can't attend class, can't
be present. But that's what we're teaching them. We're teaching
them how not to be present, and we're teaching them
to compartmentalize, and we're teaching them how not to pay attention.
So it's so, oh god, it's.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Just so hardly anybody knows what it's like to have
a child that doesn't eat sugar all day long as
well these days. And so if I happen to to
have access to kids, I should say have access to
kids because they're not my kids, but I treat them
like they're my children. My girlfriend has three kids, so
(50:09):
I get good experiences with teenagers, newly arrived adults, little
kids nine years old, and the stuff that they say
is phenomenal because on one level, they get it, and
they all have friends. They're like, you know, their friends
(50:30):
all tell them don't ever go to get a diagnosis
for anything, because you're going to get those pills and
you're going to wish he never took those pills. And
the little kids, when they're not on anything sugary, which
is days, weeks, months at a time, then when they
do have a cookie, they freak out and then you're like, okay,
so that's what ADHD is right. There is just being
(50:53):
inundated by chemicals. So I don't think people really have
much perspective. I think that they're they've been blinded in
a sense to what normalcy is when it comes to
things like that. Kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Period.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
No, I don't, they're not. I feel like they're like
the kids I know, they're so like which they know
so much about the world, and I'm like, kids should
be kids. Let them play, Let them just play and
make up silly stories about nonsense and like we think.
And I feel like there's even a problem with nonsense.
It's like, nonsense is good. Remember Alice in Wonderland. Nonsense
(51:40):
is good. Yeah, I don't know. I think I think
it's great. So yeah, I think I mean I'm all
for like like like getting kids to like act out
and like express themselves and run around and like and
be their quirky little selves. And I just feel like
we teach them so young to like they have to
(52:01):
like pay attention and they can't like space out and wonder.
And I think what they can't daydream? Like, I think
there should be a class like just daydream, just like
put a bunch of kids in the class and like
have them daydream.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, I sent you an email saying everything froze. My
audio just dropped out. Now it's telling me my internet
connection is unstable. So when you message you.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, that's that's me. I was like, what's going on?
You're frozen? But I can hear you. But I love
this conversation and I feel like we need to continue it.
It's like so great. But anyway, I'm sorry, we're your
internet is unstable. It's it's those person internet doubles.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, I mean it was telling me that something was
wrong with yours too at the beginning when you were
talking like red.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
But maybe it's my devils.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
I just think it's the internet period. I think it's Zoom.
I think the Zoom platform is very poor. But recently
I've been having a lot of technical difficulties. Anyways, So
I think you finished your last point. Maybe the best
thing to do would be to wrap this up and
we could do another one a different day. Okay, So
(53:24):
go ahead and tell everybody where they can find you.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Okay. So I'm at dcccopeland dot com. My book Societal
Dropout is going to come out in twenty twenty five.
I'm negotiating with the publishers. Now I don't know who's
going to do it, but it will be. There will
be publicity for it in twenty twenty five, so look
for it in the spring summer, I will say. But
you can get the raw form, which is like people
(53:49):
seem to love it. It's called an Artist Manifesto by
DC Copeland. It's on Amazon. You can just go and
buy it. You can get it for free on Kindle,
and you can get a lot of what Johanna and
I talked about is in an artist Manifesto. It's all there.
It's all there, all this stuff about drugs, all this
(54:10):
stuff about this quiet voice, even clockwork Orange that Eyeball's
opening is in that book. So you can get it there.
I'm on Korra DC Copeland. I'm you can find me
on Instagram at dcc copeland Selm.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Okay, great, So, just so everybody knows when they hear this,
if there's any crackling or awkward spaces or pauses or
anything like that, it's because of technical difficulties and nothing
we can do about that. But sorry, I'm sure it'll
be fine when I piece it all together. But thanks
for being on the Bonus Authenticdney podcast.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
It's been a pleasure and a joy.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
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A Clowndlish Authenticity podcast. Welcome back to another episode of
Boundless Authenticity. Today, I'm joined by d C. Copeland, an
established writer, poet, dramatist, and, just like I am, a
pissed off millennial with a lot to say about a
plethora of issues. DC has written some books, including an
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artist Manifesto, Writing under the Influence of a Millennial Emergence
and Societal drop Out, a cultural Manifesto for the New Millennium.
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's going well, Jahann. Now are you I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Very pleased that you said my name right?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
If I just made all my troubles float away? Yeah,
So everybody a little bit about you and how you
came to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Great. So I'm DC Copeland. I just earlier I spoke
with you about why I chose to make my name
into initials, and it's an interesting little peek into my
experience the world, which is basically that when I was
starting out as a poet, starting to get published in
(02:28):
my twenties, like fifteen years ago, I found that when
I went by Deborah, I wasn't published as much as
when I went by D. C. Copeland, and people mistook
me for a man, and writing these sensitive kinds of
poems got published more when when they would respond to me, oh,
(02:50):
you know, you seem like a very sensitive fellow, right,
like something along those lines, and I would have to,
you know, say that I was a female, but please
publish it under D. C. Copeland, And I just started
using D. C. Copeland as my name, So that's that's
my name, basic, like the basic name of D. C. Copeland.
And how I found myself finding you is that I
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wrote society. I wrote I first, I wrote an ARS manifesto,
which is basically a manifesto dealing with polyamory and sex
and gender and drugs and suicide. And it kind of
happened in collaboration with an art gallery which is no more.
But you know I was. I was friends with someone
who owned a gallery, and it was just it was
I started writing about art and I started writing this
(03:35):
very fast, kind of raw, vulnerable voice. You know, I
lay prostrate before the authority of my soul. To discuss
the death drive is not one I easily tackle, but
my meaning to do so is clear that kind of
like raw, let's talk about the death drive, Let's talk
about soul, let's talk about honoring it. All of this
just kind of poured out, and that became an artist
(03:57):
manifesto and that is available on Amazon on today. Through that,
I found an agent, right and and I and he
was like that this is such an interesting voice. Let's
talk about like different other other other topics that are
are our relative to the millennial experience. Let's talk about AI,
let's talk about social media, let's talk about mental health,
(04:19):
Let's talk about not just like polyamory, but maybe we
could talk about gender wars. And he had all these ideas.
So that became Societal drop Out, a culture manifestor for
the new millennium. And that right now is being shops
around to different publishing companies. So so you don't you
can't purchase that yet, but you will be able to
purchase that. So that and my agents suggested I started
(04:44):
looking at podcasts and that's how I found Jahann. I
looked at he gave me a long list of millennials
that were doing interesting stuff, and I started doing research
to collect in order to collaborate with some of these
fine folks and I and I started listening to Jahan's
and I was like, this sounds like a soul, a
fellow soul, doing their thing, being rebellious and with their
(05:09):
own voice. And I think one of the messages and
what makes me want to be here today is to
like to inspire other people to speak with their own
true voice. And you know, when I say I dropped
out societal dropout, I'm saying I dropped out of the conventions,
the conventional way we think about society in order to
(05:30):
bring to the table my own specific point of view
on what's really going on beneath how we're taught to
look at the world.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I totally identify with what you were saying, though about
having to change your name, because when I was in
the music industry, everybody would be like, what kind of
fucking name is Jahan? We got to change that stat
I mean, nobody's going to take you seriously. And I
was like, really, so what you're suggesting is going to
be taken more seriously than my actual name. That makes
no sense to me whatsoever, because nicknames are inherently bad.
(06:04):
In the music industry, band names are inherently bad. All
of them are bad. Anybody that says, well, that's a
killer band name is just nuts. They're all inherently bad.
They just work because it's like a smoke screen for
a time. But you know, you know how it is.
That's a thinker. We'll see it, but others won't.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So I get it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And stuff like that's been going on from time immemoriam.
People don't take you seriously and unless you're not a
real person to them, you know, they can't reach out
and touch you.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
That's better for them.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But you were just telling me about incredibly a harrowing experience,
and I specifically said to you, and I want this
to get on the show. Don't fuck with DC Copeland
because she will come back from the dead and get
your ass. She's not playing.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I did come back to be here.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Jhans, Oh yeah, yeah, So you know tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well I did. I recently had a brush with death twice.
I'll say that twice. On October fourth, twenty twenty four,
I woke up in the worst pain of my life.
I mean, we're talking like I understood, like she's gone
believe she's in no more pain like I was. I
was like, I am dying. I also was eight weeks pregnant,
(07:29):
and I will say this, it was the happiest I've
ever been in my life. It was an unexpected pregnancy,
but I was so happy to be a mother.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I was.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I was like, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing this.
The father was not in the picture, but I was
still like, I'm like, wow, I will be a single
millennial mother and I will rock this. I will rock this.
This is going to be awesome. So I was eight
weeks pregnant and I woke up with the worst pain
in my life. I did not go to the emergency room.
(08:00):
I was and to be frank, I was scared that
they were going to do something that would hurt the
unborn child. So I was going to deal with the pain.
I was going to deal with this bringing pain. A
few days later, I did go to the emergency room,
but I didn't let them do anything. I was still like,
don't touch me. I'm really worried about this child, and
I will deal with this fucking pain. And like, that
(08:22):
was the first time I was offered more thing in
my life, and I actually and I said no. I
said no, I'm going to go home. Three days later,
I wound up back in the emergency room, and at
this point I intuited that there was no way that
this baby was still alive. I was like, this baby
is dead and I am dying. My body had started
(08:44):
shutting down. I couldn't urinate, my stomach had become so distended,
and I really thought there was just something around me.
I was like, this is this could be the end,
and this this sucks, but this might be the end.
And I went to urgent care, and urgent care called
(09:06):
the angler. We can't, we need you got to go
to the emergency roup. So I went to U n
Yu Land going and uh I had I was septic.
And for those of you who don't know what sepsis is,
sepsis is a blood condition where your blood is infected
and like a normal blood count is like four to
ten and I was at like a forty something, so
(09:28):
my blood was really infected, and my organs had started
shine down. My uterus had shut down, so the baby
was dead. The my bladder had shut down, so I
couldn't urinate. Other organs were starting, kidneys were starting to
shut down my entire body. I was, I was, I
was dying. And that was the second time they offered
me morphine. And you better believe it, yes to that.
(09:51):
And I'm going to just say that. Throughout my entire
stay at the hospital. For the next ten days, I
was on heavy orphane and lodden. The miscarriage saved my life.
I was around the clock and about it's four IV
ports an n GT tube, which, if those of you
who don't know, an energyttube goes right through your nose
(10:12):
into your stomach. It comes to stomach, gets sort of
like horrible thing. You know, it's like a bag and
you know, urine collects urine. And and I was, I was,
I was every day I was. That wasn't sure if
if I was living or dying. But I lived, I lived,
(10:34):
baby died. I lived. I get back home after that,
and I'm like, yes, I'm going to recover now. Now
I recover, and maybe I will get pregnant again because
that was so exciting. Maybe I'll find somebody and blah
blah blah. Two to three weeks later, I mean the
worst pain again. I'm in horrible pain again, and this
(10:56):
time I do go right to the emergency room and
they say, you're appendix as burst, but we can't take
it out because there's this ball that this abscess and
that's just an inducted ball of just like and it's
preventing us from taking out the appendix. We have to
keep you in the hospital again, give you a bunch
of the morphine, shrink the abscess, and then you know.
(11:18):
So they they said, and which is like a head?
Which is morphine? Uh and and and they said, basically,
we want you to get the appendix out as soon
as possible, but you're gonna have pain, and you should.
You can use this heavy pain, this heavy narcotic to
manage your pain. So last week I got my appendix out.
(11:42):
But that but for November and December, I had two
other stays in the hospital because there was so much pain,
and I had I had conflict about taking the Dolawden
because it was it was masking the pain. Anyone who's
ever taken de lawd in or morphine knows that what
it does is your pain is really acute, and then
it dulls the pain and kind of makes it go
(12:04):
into like like you're on an island and you're away
from the pain and the pain's over there, but it's
not real. Whatever's causing the pain is still causing the pain.
I was given several tests and they said each time
that the tests were inconclusive because you can see I'm
a fairly thin person and so all my organs are
kind of like interposed on each other, so it's hard
(12:25):
to see what's really going on. When they finally opened
me up, they were like, Wow, there was so much infection.
I actually wrote a will before this surgery because I
wasn't sure what was going on. They weren't sure. They're like,
there was so much infection. There was like all the
assists stuff, and no wonder, you've been in so much pain.
And they released me again with the lawden of course,
(12:47):
and here I am back from the dead. I'd say
that back from the dead twice because my appendix ruptured
and I survived even though they didn't take it out.
And then the other time was you know, I was
sept and there's eleven million deaths that happen every year
from sepsis, so it's like, you know, it's not something
that is like guaranteed to like live through. So yeah,
(13:10):
so when you say Jahanne that I'm like back from
the death, Like I will come and tear you a
new asshole right from like the grave. I will totally
do that, Like like I'm here sitting with you because
I truly want to continue on the road of life.
But yeah, like there was a moment that I want
to share with the listeners where my soul was literally
(13:30):
like there was two or three moments where it was like,
if this is the end, then this is the end.
And it's been a real nice run and I've enjoyed it.
I've enjoyed my time here, but maybe this is the end.
And for somebody, you know, that's fairly young, right to
(13:52):
have this experience of being okay with not being here anymore,
as a very I find it to be strange and
I just had it, so you know. So that's that's
that's the harrowing tale that I wanted to share with you.
And we can draw many conclusions from this tale, but
(14:13):
there's a few that I would that I would bring
home for you if you want.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, I would like to draw several conclusions. And like
when you told me about this the first time, it
shines a huge light on exactly what is being done
to people. People are being victimized by the pharmaceutical companies.
They run everything, and there's almost no escaping and you
could have lost your life. And yes, nobody knows how
(14:42):
many hundreds of thousands or more of people are losing
their lives every day because of this. And it's bullshit
and it's not going to get better until the average
people who as you know, Eric from said that people
(15:02):
are hardwired to be submissive to authority. But I also
think that his illusions there are basically, in a very
roundabout way, saying that people choose to be that way too,
like they choose to not think beyond a certain point,
and we have to stop doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's not working for us anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
No, No, it's not. It's it's it's it's you know,
I can understand why people become I mean, I I'm
counting days off of the list a lot, and I'm like,
I'm tent. I haven't. I haven't had delud in my
days my system for ten days. Because you better believe
I I you can become you can become addicted to
(15:45):
this stuff like that. Like that, and there's such a
mixed message happening because we're like teaching our kids and
our teenagers don't do drugs. Drugs are so bad, but
yet we're we're giving them like embetterment, right and riddl
it and like all these different drugs just like to
you know, like like loosely, you know, we're also like
(16:07):
just in the basic sense of the way the hospital
treated me in terms of like pain management, like here's
a bunch we're sending you home. Here's a bunch of
pills that like, here's a bunch of heavy narcotic addictive
pills here. And and when I would go to the
(16:30):
hospital without even oh, you're in pain, you're in pain,
without even asking me any questions, it was here, we're
going to get you comfortable. And I felt like I
was going into like an opium den of like the
nineteen twenties or something like that. I was like, oh,
this is what and everybody like I get it. Were
(16:50):
it's a lot easier to manage an emergency room if
you've got a bunch of people strung out on morphine.
And there's one way of looking at this, because I've
been in the emergency room probably a total of ten
days in the past four months, and there's one way
of looking at that emergency room and being like, we're
just a bunch of strung out fellows here waiting for
(17:12):
our next fix, and like, how horrifying. But that's the truth.
That's me true.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, And what you've said there represents the average person
because everybody is too smoked up, too hyper sexualized, overcaffeinated, alcoholic.
They're medicated on pharmaceuticals or whatever else they can get
their hands on, so nobody's thinking rationally. And like you said,
it's a lot easier to manage a hospital full of
(17:44):
people if they're drugged up, but it's a lot easier
to manage the entire population if they're all drugged up
and dissociated.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yes, yes, that's and that's what I think. One of
the one of the essays I wrote about in the
book is is exactly about that. It's like America the hypocrite.
You know, the war on drugs is like is a farce.
It's a farce because we're all addicted to these drugs.
And like, I think it's something like twenty two percent
of people identify with some kind of depression, bipolar anxiety disorder,
(18:19):
post traumatic stress disorder, some kind of disorder and we
think we can have a functional society when like one
fourth twenty Like when when when like one I had
of four people identify as having some kind of disease
And that's that's insane. How can we actually think we
(18:39):
live in a healthy that America? I mean, I don't
know about the rest. I mean even I would say
the Western moral but like, like, how can we think
we have we have a shot at a healthy way
of managing our society if the individuals around us are sick.
There there's I think every single person knows somebody or
(19:00):
is somebody that identifies with suffering from like depression, bipolar
anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, alcoholism, drug addiction, add
like the buds.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, and it's it's totally fair and factual to say
what you have just said because America is the staging
ground for the entire psychological operation. That's why it's you know,
doesn't matter what corner of the world you're in. We're
conditioned from birth to have this perception that America is
(19:35):
this great place that you want to be there, you
want it, you have to accept it. It's like a
from the time you're born, there's this long hypnotic induction
that occurs where you're led to believe that you need
to focus on what they're doing. That's the right thing,
that's how we should all aspire to be. And it's
nothing but sickness. It's been nothing but that, tricks and
(19:57):
lies and you name it since the very get go.
And it's kind of like you know when you've seen
I forget that movie because I don't really watch too
many things, but it's like having a speculum or something
that you're like, ah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Up, regarrane, pluck garden. It forces eyeballs open. He has
to like watch movies of like insane destruction and stuff,
and they give they give him you're writing the money
to hand with that because like they give him a
drug like that makes him like is going to make
him not a violent person anymore, like so that every
(20:33):
time he sees violence, they like force his eyeballs open.
And then every time they say he sees violence, he's
gonna associate it with sickness because they poison in him
while he watches violence. And that's how they this experiment
is supposed to create individuals that are no longer violent
as opposed to like teaching individuals or having a non
violent a society that practices nonviolence right as opposed to
(20:54):
like teaching Gandhi in school or like, I don't know,
I don't know how you create a non violent society,
but I think one of the first ways of doing
so is realizing how freaking violent we actually are towards
ourselves and towards each other, and not like running away
from that. Like even I think drugging, even drugging something
(21:16):
like drugs as a solution, can be a form of violence.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I agree, he totally. Like every kid should be forced
to read Animal Farm and Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg
or something like that, you know, like just just so
that they know, like this is this is how society
actually is, and these pigs, these fictional animals are trying
(21:44):
to tell you something. And then this is how you
speak to people you know, and then you know, this
is how you treat yourself. And because it's crazy, like,
let's go back to the Delauded thing. Seven years ago,
I had a client that got hooked on Delauded when
she was fourteen years old. She came to me at
twenty three unable to get off of it. Since then
(22:09):
she said something happened to her that day when her
entire spirit changed, and she hasn't been able to reclaim
any aspect of her soul since then. We've had to
part ways because she was on a plethora of other drugs.
She would often have relapses and be like, I can't
come to the session today because I just woke up
(22:30):
in the hospital from an overdose. I literally had these
auditory hallucinations occur where I was just minding my own business.
Next thing you know, I was in a drug den
with a needle stuck in my arm, and now I'm
in the hospital. And it completely corrupted her. And I
(22:53):
don't even know if she's still alive or not, to
be honest with you, but that's what's going on out there.
And so when people say dumb shit like all ketamine
works for people with anxiety and all that, it doesn't
show me the actual circumstances, the day by day, hour
by hour playback of this person's internal world and how
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they actually dealt with the situation before and after a
snapshot of their internal representation systems, how they think and
believe and act, and their emotional state. And I'll let
you know if ketamine works are not I can guarantee
that if you look at all of that in context,
(23:35):
you're going to find ketymine doesn't work, psychedelics don't work,
And a lot of people are going to turn off
this podcast and never listen again because I said that
goodbye to you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Well, I mean, I think there's something to be said
about you know, there's a new craze like right now
of mainstreaming psychedelics and mainstreaming marijuana, and I think that
this is not necessarily the solution, that this is just
a way of masking still continuing to mask a deep
psychic sickness that is collective and only through like individuals
(24:10):
being like, wait, wait, where where's the anxiety coming from?
And I'll tell you. I believe that it comes from
the world and how we're supposed to fit into the world.
And I think if and that's why, I mean, that's
the reason I wrote Societal drop Out, because it's this
idea of like, find the peace in yourself with the
(24:33):
solutions that society offers our drugs and a mixed mess
and a stigma that drugs are bad, so you're a
bad person. But here you go that mixed message, here
you're a bad person if you take this. But here's
the ketamine. Here it is, and it's good for you,
and it's good for you. These studies, these studies show
(24:55):
and we're not doing stuff. How about more studies of
like what about if you you know, I don't, I don't,
I don't buck studies. At some point we're just like,
you know, what what works for you? Like how like
we do? This is what we do. We like we
look at normal people, and normal the normal person isn't happy.
The normal person is like on a roller coaster of
anxiety and depression and at x euphoria sometimes when they're
(25:19):
like you know, having sex or self medicating or you know,
putting themselves in extreme behaviors or on vacation. But the
normal person isn't necessarily a happy person. So we want
I think it would be very interesting is we start
to like take a happy person, what's a happy person doing?
Like David Lynch just died and he was this really
creative dynamo, right David Lynch. Someone does might not know
(25:42):
who David Lynch is, but David Lynch was a creative
uh director who directed and wrote Twin Peaks and like
Maul and dry and blue velvet and the first Dune,
which you know, whatever, but I loved it. Anyway. He
was a really happy person. And I've been listening to
a bunch of interviews with David Lynch, and one of
the things he did was he like meditated every day,
(26:06):
and he was and he was kind to people like
he was kind. He was a kind person who like
tried to create a family environment in every and no
actor has anything negative to say about their experience working
with Dave. But I think it's something to be said,
like kindness, Like we don't teach kindness necessarily, so we
(26:27):
teach ambition and getting a head and being at the
top of the class. I mean, anyone I get. I
get why you want to like take some pills and
get away from that like really kind of intense, I
don't know, backwards way of thinking about yourself, and that
every end, that your esteem and your value is completely
(26:51):
dependent on how much stuff you get, how many awards
you win, how much money you make, how many wives
you have, how many women you've fucked, how many are
men you are interested in you or people you know,
like all this stuff that's all on the surface, that
that that that's how we're conditioned to think that like
(27:15):
that's a happy person or a successful person, and and
that's not working. That's not working. We have we have
an increasing rate of suicide jan and we have an
increasing rate of drug addiction. And I'm concerned about this.
And I'm concerned about this especially in like the millennial generation,
because it's in our generation, and it's like, it's happening
(27:37):
to us, and it's like, what, well, what can we
do about that? Like, like that makes me so sad
that people are like, oh, like like your like your client,
that that people are are are overdosing and their lives
are getting thrown away and and and nobody seems to
be able to address the problem. And and the baby
(27:58):
boomers are living very long and they're very influential to
the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I don't want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist,
but I think that this kind of stuff happens a
little bit too often to not just say outright whenever
I'm having a conversation about this kind of truth, I
get knocked off conveniently.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So maybe you could just pick it up from where
you left off.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Oh, I just was saying, how I think we are?
I think it's we're like a it's a suicidal Unfortunately,
what's happening is an increase in suicide in the millennial
generation and an maloriy my hid and an increase in
drug addiction in the millennial generation.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, and it's by design, unfortunately. I mean, how are
you supposed to know yourself to the extent that you can, like, Okay,
you actually said something you need.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It was so cool.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It was so fucking cool because it shows your level
of self awareness where you were acutely aware of that
part of you that wanted to become addicted to the
chemicals that you were put on.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
People lack that. So how are you supposed to develop
that when you're inundated with addictive substances like sugar et cetera,
which is engineered now to be not sugar anymore. It's
just crack basically, right, you know, when you have doritos
with twenty six ingredients or more in it, and all
(29:40):
of those things, the body doesn't recognize as anything other
than a synthetic substance, and so it's going to get
addicted to that. How are you supposed to know the
difference between yourself, the world at large, and what's being
offered to you in between. When you're just in a
with chemicals from birth, you lose that ability to self reflect.
(30:05):
And like you were saying earlier about the ketamine thing
and how all that stuff doesn't work, the only thing
that works is breathing and self reflection, does it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, there's no secrets.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, no, I mean there's no, it's not there is
no secrets. I will say, I'm not sure I mentioned it,
but yeah. The last time I went to the emergency
room was the day before my surgery, and I was
in a lot of pain and the surgeon said, just come,
we'll get you comfortable. These are the words. We'll get
you comfortable, and we'll take and we'll do a cat skin.
And when he said I'll get you comfortable, I said good, good, right, yes, yes,
(30:47):
I was like good. And my boyfriend was there with
me at the time and he was kind of horrified
and he's like, you really And it was grood to
have somebody actually check in with, to check in with,
But I was like, I'll be honest, and you're in
a lot of pain. Yeah, that shit sounds really good.
That shit sounds really good. But I'm doing this and
(31:08):
I think this might be a helpful tool to anybody
who wants to get off this shit. Is that I'm
counting days with a friend of mine. I'm saying, like
day one off de Lawden, So today's day ten off
da Lawden. I haven't had Dolawden or morphine for ten days.
And it helps because it's difficult. It's difficult because the
body likes that feeling of not having that tension and
(31:35):
that pain, or rather it's a break from that. I
don't think it's the body is meant to have that level.
I think that's why people die. People die of drugs
because you're not meant to have that level of just
oh you know, they're supposed to be a level of
tension or pain. That's how you know. Oh I need
to stretch, Oh I need to eat. Oh I need
(31:58):
to take a walk, I need to breathe, I need
to meditate, I need The body can't be an equilibrium
if it's constantly all the pain and all the sensation
and all the feeling is being muted, right, if it's
all being pushed far away, it can't do anything. Uh,
(32:20):
And so that we're not meant to live on morphine
or to Lawden or even just like this craze of
like psychedelics or marijuana or like we're I don't think
we're meant to live like high all the time. I think,
I think, and I write about this, that there's a
right you can use. I think there's a right time
to to take to go on. And I've never done aahuasca,
(32:42):
but yeah, I can. I can see like going like
once or twice in your life to a medicine man
and having a ritual and working some shit out with
somebody that that's part of their culture and they know
what they're doing. You know. Do I think tripping on
aahuasca every weekend is a good all to life's difficulties
(33:03):
and challenges. Absolutely not. And that unfortunately, stuff like stuff
like that is kind of like, yeah, take some CBD
gummings every night, and it's like, well, maybe you're not
sleeping because there's some other things going on that we
can address. You know, maybe you're not sleeping because you're
watching you're constantly on Twitter and you're constantly refreshing your feed,
(33:25):
and you're like getting concerned about things that really aren't real,
Like Twitter's not a real place. Remember, I mean like
these are all like and that's something too that I
think are the millennial generation it has to is so
important for us to kind of like to own is
that like we are a social media slash, Like uh yeah,
(33:52):
like we're we are the generation that like grew up
basically with all these devices and all these like social
media outlets, and it's like they're great distractions, but we're
also like getting heavily into drugs. Drugs are becoming part
of like the millennial everyday experience, whether that's just the
(34:14):
fact that like cannabis is legal everywhere, or we're taking amphetamins,
we're taking Riddlin, we're taking Sarah quoll, we're taking gun typing,
we're taking clinazipam, we're taking opioids. We are being prescribed
all of this stuff and we're taking it right. And
it's not that and I don't want to like negatively
(34:35):
stigmatize it. It is what it is. It's we're a
society that generates drug addicts, and we are the drug addicts,
and like how do we get well? How do we
get well? That's like the big that's and I don't
think anyone cares enough to really to really ask ask
of ourselves like are you but are you well? Yes,
(34:58):
you're masking the pain and you're doing and you're allowed,
you're getting you're masking the pain with xanax and cannabis. Okay, okay,
but are you well? Are you happy? I don't think
people are actually being asked that question. I think people
are being taught to cope.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I don't even think they're really being taught to cope.
I think you know, it's called social media, but it
should be called dissociative media. Yes, because and this is
the third time I'm saying this in a row on
an episode, that everything in society is structured for you
to dissociate from.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
The reality of it.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
And if you look at all of the New Age propaganda,
all of the personal development garbage that's on the Internet,
where people think they're improving theirselves, they're learning narcissism. They're
not learning really about true kindness or true forgiveness or
anything like that. You listed a whole set of drugs
(36:02):
there that at one point or another, I've had clients
who've come to me to help them work with their
doctor to get off of those drugs, because they were
taking sarah quill, for example, and as soon as they
started taking sarah Quill, they started having auditory hallucinations that said,
open the drawer, take out the scissors, and stab your mother.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You know, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
So that's a good example of how these drugs don't
do any good. They're not doing any good for anybody,
doesn't matter how much somebody thinks they've improved or some
doctor says is working. In the long run, it's not
doing much of anything for you at all. It's actually
creating more issues. And I think that's the plan, honestly.
(36:47):
And if you look at the commercials that come on
TV and stuff, the names of these things are getting
even more ridiculous, almost like they're mocking you. And it's
the way that they take these old songs and stuff
that were really popular, and to take those songs on
purpose because they were they've been downloaded into your consciousness,
(37:08):
because they've been a part of public consciousness for so
long that there's something about that that almost becomes one
with your subconscious the instant you enter the world that
you identify with it. When you hear it and the
lyrics have been changed to sell a pharmaceutical. You know, yes,
that it's automatically appealing, Like these marketers know exactly what
(37:30):
they're doing. They're not stupid, and the average person takes
that for granted. They think, okay, so they say things like, oh,
you know, I can just leave it on in the background.
I just ignore it anyway, really can you? Because everything
that you hear is going right into your subconscious whether
you like it or not. You can't stop that from
happening just because you know. It's kind of like if
(37:52):
a tree falls in the woods, you know, did it
really happen if you didn't hear it it?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Did it really did? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So that's where we're at with this kind of stuff.
It's about getting the average person to be honest. But
how are you going to get the average person to
be honest when they are living in a society that
conditions you to be complicit with lies? Lies are normal?
(38:24):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Lies are normal, And like how to be a better
liar is what we have going on.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's kind of like you know that movie Liar Orlar
with m Jim Carrey right right?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Completely?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh god, yeah, no, it's it's how do you I mean,
this is my advice. I mean, how do you drop
out from that? Like? How do you get yourself good?
How do you like check in with your soul or
whatever is the still quiet voice inside yourself and honor it,
(39:04):
and honor it, no matter if it's telling you that
everyone around you is bullshitting, or that like you don't
fit in with your friend group anymore, or that like
the mo of like maybe one day at a time
doesn't work. Maybe you know, maybe the platitudes don't work,
or maybe they do. Maybe that's what you need to
(39:25):
hear today. Maybe one day at a time is I'm
just saying that sometimes we collectively think that like if
I do X, Y and Z, I'm going to feel
a B and C because that's what they tell me
to If I if I go one day, if I
(39:45):
live one day at a time, and I and I
just do the next right thing, and I just do
good orderly direction, and you know, and I and I
go to yoga, and I go to soul cycle, and
I go to the gym, and I go out with
a friend, and I work from nine to five and
(40:09):
then I take my pills and I go to bed,
and I do the next thing every day, then I'm good.
I'm having a good life. But the question is not
that that's a good life can look exactly like that.
I would like subtract the pills, but a good life
can look something like that. But is it your life
or are you just living the prescription, the program, the formula.
(40:32):
Because if you're just living the prescription, the program, the formula,
then like you're missing it. You're missing your life, You're
missing it. And you know, in my day probably looks
a lot like other people's days. I get up, I
have coffee. I mean, I write for a living, so
oh I start writing, you know, but I start doing
my work, right, whatever your work is. But I would
(40:55):
say this is like, I think one of the reasons
I've been able to stay off of drugs is because
there's things in my life that are worthwhile to me
that I in my soul want to be doing. And
it's not that I've done like drugs and I've done
my work, and I'll tell you it's better, I'm better.
(41:17):
I'm better to just do I don't it's not even
it's that I don't need it and I'd rather do
a simpler life with less things that I need. There's
a few things that I need. I need to love,
I need to be loved. I need to nourish my body.
(41:41):
I need to nourish my soul. I need to stimulate
my mind. I need to honor my emotions. And I
need to contribute. I need to feel that I'm contributing
my voice. That's what I need. And it might be
different from like a b Jahn needs, you know, but
like I guarantee you that like the simplest, like I
(42:04):
don't need to be taking like sleeping pills, you know,
like some people might some people that are listening, if
you're listening, I'm not knocking sleeping pills or whatever. I'm
just trying to like ask you, well, what how can
you live? How can you like live a life that
(42:27):
feels authentic and like truthful to that still quiet voice
inside yourself? And if you have never experienced that still
quiet voice inside of yourself, like do you want to?
Because I believe I believe I believe that it's there.
I believe everybody has like a still quiet voice, call
(42:50):
it soul, God, higher power, universe, field of consciousness, unity,
you know what I mean. But I believe it's there,
and I believe we're all part of it. I believe
we're all like manifestations of it.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, there's just
so much stuff, even like listening to music and stuff
with streaming services and everything. No, there's not a single
moment throughout the day you see people walking around with
these ridiculous earbuds in their ears, wireless earbuds, and they've
(43:29):
always got something on. There's always a podcast happening, there's
always music happening. And what that does to people is
it disables their ability to not only let thoughts come
through for analysis, but then they're always relaying on something
else for joy or some other emotion. They put on
(43:51):
a sad song. They want to feel sad, they want
to relive something bad that happened or that they see
as bad, and you know, they want to go to
the gym. They have to put on their favorite playlists
to go to the gym. Nobody's lifting weights anymore, just
in silence, so they're not using that quiet time. Because
when you're tearing your muscle fibers, then your subconscious is
(44:13):
gained all these wonderful memories and emotions and things that
you're supposed to work through. But if you're listening to
a podcast, you're not doing that. You're engaging in somebody
else's opinion about fuck all of nothing that has nothing
to do with the way that you live your life
as an individual every day. So it's actually the opposite
of empowered thinking. And this is what passes for liberation
(44:38):
is it's a forest. It's garbage. And I'm not saying
there's anything wrong with that stuff, but I'm very alwayspoken.
And I've also realized that if you leave any leeway
for maybe this thing is good, people don't take you seriously, right,
So you kind of have to go to the extreme
if you want to plant that seed. They just sound
(45:01):
he just said it was great. So I'm not going
to stop doing that thing. I'm not going to think
about why I do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, and years go by and a life goes by
and you don't stop and think about it. And I
think one of the benefits of doing a podcast like
this is just like and maybe in an extreme way,
someone needs to hear, like, there's a fucking another way
to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, I want people to listen to us and be
like you know what I do that I might have
a problem.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, yeah, and there is another way, and like quiet
is okay, like like being silent with yourself. Like I
cannot stress enough. How like, as someone who's been in
the emergency room at least like ten days in the
past three months with the big being and the like
the doctor and the light's going on and off and
(45:50):
all this shit, I can't stress enough how Like valuable
silence is. It's so valuable. It's so important to be
to be silent with ourselves and or to be quiet
with ourselves, and like we don't that's not that is
not a societal trope. Like if anything, people are like
(46:11):
like like I need the podcast going on all the time,
or I need this that's a that's a that's a
going on all our time, or what's the trauma with
my new boyfriend? Like it's just so silly, it's so silly,
and it's so unnecessary, you know, it's so fucking unnecessary.
And yeah, I just I want I want people to
(46:33):
be like, yeah, maybe I could, maybe I could try
to like not like to go to the gym and
maybe like and lift weight. I like that idea of
lifting weights and not having the everybody's got those EarPods
in their ears all the time, and so we're not
even like present with each other. Like you, I'm like
a New Yorker righta walk in on the street in
(46:55):
New York, and like everybody's zoned in to their own
different channels, having their own different experiences, and it's getting
worse and not better. And how can we And I
think one of the most healthy things in the world
is connection and feeling like connected to another person, you know,
like feeling that way, and oh my god, it's definitely
(47:16):
like it's definitely I think the best. Yeah, it's the
best to feel connected to another person. And we're missing it.
We're missing it. We're missing the best things about life.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
And having said that, you have the best personality. I
wish you were in my neighbor. I just come on,
but yeah, you get it. If you lack the ability
to be present with yourself, then what are you doing
to the other people in your environment, your children, especially.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
What are you doing to them?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
You know, here's the I think one of the things
you're saying to them is that you're not valueball, Like
there's better things out there than you and then the
kid gets grows up thinking that there's I'm not good enough,
(48:09):
there's something better, and then and gets depressed and then
gets into the Once you get in, this is very
very much my experience of like the whole psychological field.
And I'm not there's a time and a place for therapy.
I'm not knocking therapy, but I am sad at how
many people need therapy, and that once you get into
(48:30):
the circuit of the psychiatry and you start taking drugs,
and it gets younger and younger and younger. When you
prescribe drugs, it's very hard to get off of the drugs.
It's very hard. It's almost it's so hard, and so
anybody that's been on drugs for so long, I feel
for you because it's so hard. I talk about this
(48:51):
in the book.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
It's like, it is incredibly hard to get off these
drugs because you start so young, and it's arts and
it's and we can see the root with just what
you said.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
We're not paying attention to how each how we feel.
We're in our own little world and parents are doing
this to their kids, and the kids grow up and
they wonder why there's a rise of ADHD and I
think it's pretty obvious why there's a rise of ADHD,
Like the parents are off doing X, Y Z, compartmentalizing here,
there and there, and the solution for the kids is
(49:26):
to do X, Y and Z and compartmentalize and do
this and this and this, and so the teachers are saying, no,
this kid can't focus, this kid can't attend class, can't
be present. But that's what we're teaching them. We're teaching
them how not to be present, and we're teaching them
to compartmentalize, and we're teaching them how not to pay attention.
So it's so, oh god, it's.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Just so hardly anybody knows what it's like to have
a child that doesn't eat sugar all day long as
well these days. And so if I happen to to
have access to kids, I should say have access to
kids because they're not my kids, but I treat them
like they're my children. My girlfriend has three kids, so
(50:09):
I get good experiences with teenagers, newly arrived adults, little
kids nine years old, and the stuff that they say
is phenomenal because on one level, they get it, and
they all have friends. They're like, you know, their friends
(50:30):
all tell them don't ever go to get a diagnosis
for anything, because you're going to get those pills and
you're going to wish he never took those pills. And
the little kids, when they're not on anything sugary, which
is days, weeks, months at a time, then when they
do have a cookie, they freak out and then you're like, okay,
so that's what ADHD is right. There is just being
(50:53):
inundated by chemicals. So I don't think people really have
much perspective. I think that they're they've been blinded in
a sense to what normalcy is when it comes to
things like that. Kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Period.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
No, I don't, they're not. I feel like they're like
the kids I know, they're so like which they know
so much about the world, and I'm like, kids should
be kids. Let them play, Let them just play and
make up silly stories about nonsense and like we think.
And I feel like there's even a problem with nonsense.
It's like, nonsense is good. Remember Alice in Wonderland. Nonsense
(51:40):
is good. Yeah, I don't know. I think I think
it's great. So yeah, I think I mean I'm all
for like like like getting kids to like act out
and like express themselves and run around and like and
be their quirky little selves. And I just feel like
we teach them so young to like they have to
(52:01):
like pay attention and they can't like space out and wonder.
And I think what they can't daydream? Like, I think
there should be a class like just daydream, just like
put a bunch of kids in the class and like
have them daydream.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, I sent you an email saying everything froze. My
audio just dropped out. Now it's telling me my internet
connection is unstable. So when you message you.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, that's that's me. I was like, what's going on?
You're frozen? But I can hear you. But I love
this conversation and I feel like we need to continue it.
It's like so great. But anyway, I'm sorry, we're your
internet is unstable. It's it's those person internet doubles.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, I mean it was telling me that something was
wrong with yours too at the beginning when you were
talking like red.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
But maybe it's my devils.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
I just think it's the internet period. I think it's Zoom.
I think the Zoom platform is very poor. But recently
I've been having a lot of technical difficulties. Anyways, So
I think you finished your last point. Maybe the best
thing to do would be to wrap this up and
we could do another one a different day. Okay, So
(53:24):
go ahead and tell everybody where they can find you.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Okay. So I'm at dcccopeland dot com. My book Societal
Dropout is going to come out in twenty twenty five.
I'm negotiating with the publishers. Now I don't know who's
going to do it, but it will be. There will
be publicity for it in twenty twenty five, so look
for it in the spring summer, I will say. But
you can get the raw form, which is like people
(53:49):
seem to love it. It's called an Artist Manifesto by
DC Copeland. It's on Amazon. You can just go and
buy it. You can get it for free on Kindle,
and you can get a lot of what Johanna and
I talked about is in an artist Manifesto. It's all there.
It's all there, all this stuff about drugs, all this
(54:10):
stuff about this quiet voice, even clockwork Orange that Eyeball's
opening is in that book. So you can get it there.
I'm on Korra DC Copeland. I'm you can find me
on Instagram at dcc copeland Selm.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Okay, great, So, just so everybody knows when they hear this,
if there's any crackling or awkward spaces or pauses or
anything like that, it's because of technical difficulties and nothing
we can do about that. But sorry, I'm sure it'll
be fine when I piece it all together. But thanks
for being on the Bonus Authenticdney podcast.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
It's been a pleasure and a joy.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Awesome you're listening to the Boundless Authenticity Podcast where we
discuss everything related to the evolution of human consciousness. That's
very least us need.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
To understand that the United States builds bokers, which are
basically cities on your ground every three months.
Speaker 6 (55:22):
Basically dream into your self conscious cities, your creativity and
imagination unshanged, so conscious.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Reason the imcate your arts.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
Very hard, soul by hard, I are clciousness cultures of
varium of your gardy. We live in a multi dimensional reality,
whether it comes through esentary.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Information in the spiritual realms or the UFO people experiences,
or mainstream on the physics and through maintream science.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Now realizing that parallel dimensions probably exist, we're all spiritual means,
we're all having these human experiences. We've heard of that
place over and over over. But what does that?
Speaker 3 (56:00):
You know, all of the questions of life, we have
these answers inside of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
We're ultimately studying the nature of what it is to
be human, good and evil, our psychology, how we're fitting
in our health. That's why I love Bruce Lee's great
quote all knowledge is ultimately self knowledge.
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