America’s Dehumanization Crisis: Dr. Naomi Wolf on Rising Religious Attacks

America’s Dehumanization Crisis: Dr. Naomi Wolf on Rising Religious Attacks

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining me now is doctor Naomi Wolf. It's been a
while since we've had her on and it's great to
have her back. Doctor Wolf, thank you for making time
for us tonight, so.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Much for having me. It's a pleasure to be with
you and your audience again.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Thank you so much. All Right, we got so much
to cover in a short period of time. To do it,
I want to start out first with something we talk
about here often, and that is dehumanization. And we seem
to have a real problem that is now escalating, and
I'm afraid it's going to get a lot worse. We
saw a woman coming out of a church, I think
she'd gone to a Christmas pageant, and Savannah Georgia has

(00:33):
acid thrown on her body. She was known as being
someone that was kind to everyone, worked with homeless people.
You know she didn't know this person, right. We now
have seen a Jewish man on the street in New
York City yesterday stabbed in the chest with slurs, you know,
anti Semitic slurs at him. Then we saw two Jewish
gentlemen attacked on a New York subway simply for being Jewish.

(00:57):
We've seen the murder of so many in allSome, Australia.
The list goes on and on. We saw, you know,
And the thing is you maybe don't remember or don't know.
But I sponsored a conference in twenty eighteen for my
national conference called Holocaust Horizon, where I was warning then
about the rise of anti Semitism and the trajectory we
were seeing. And that was twenty eighteen. And in that

(01:19):
I had a picture of the Israeli flag and the
known Christian flag that many of us, if we grew
up in prostant churches would know that the Christian flag
would maybe be on one side the auditorium and the
American flag on the other. And so I had a
Christian flag and the Israeli flag and the American flag. No, no,
I'm sorry, it was just a Christian flag in the
Israeli flag burning. And the point was that we're in

(01:41):
we're we've got a fire here that's coming against groups,
and like they say, we'll come for the Saturday people,
synagogue people, and then the Sunday people. Well now we're seeing,
of course, the murder of Charlie Kirk. Then we saw
a video that's going viral now of a lady that
is accosted wearing a red shirt. The target color. A
nice senior citizen looking lady talking it looks like the
shelves and picking up some clothes, and she is accosted

(02:03):
because she's wearing a Charlie kirkshow shirt that says his
name in Freedom, and she starts having all these explotives
dropped at her. And I guess the point what I'm
asking with this long setup is I think we've reached
that point. Whether they've been coming and are increasingly coming
for the Saturday people now the Sunday people, that if
you are trying to stand up for what's right, look out.

(02:28):
And I think it's only getting worse with the And
I don't appreciate and I'll praise him when he does good,
but I'm not gonna hold back. I'm not a mouthpiecet
for this white House. I don't like what he said
about and he doubled down on with mister Rob Reiner,
a tragic situation with a family trying to rescue their son,
and that this is contributing to this dehumanization. Would you

(02:50):
agree with any of this?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Gosh, you've said so much, I have to say I
agree with all of it. Let me start with the
last thing. You're referencing President Trump's comments on truth social
or on X following the death of Rob Reiner and
his wife, stabbing victims apparently murdered by their drug addicted son.

(03:15):
That seems to be the story, and it was very
a very critical kind of response from the President. I'm
with you. I wish his staff would take his phone
away at times like that. It doesn't help. There's the
guy's dead. You know, he was a great contributor to
American television and movies, and you know, maybe he had
Trump dearrangement syndrome. The time to say that is not

(03:38):
right after he's been found stabbed to death. So it's
just not statesmanlike. And I agree with you, and it
sure a language like that does contribute to general dehumanization.
It doesn't help. It just debases the discourse. It's very unfortunate.

(03:59):
The other examples that you shared, absolutely I agree with
you that you'd have to be blind not to notice.
But it really does depend on your news source. I
just talked to my mom, who lets me use her
as a kind of touch point for well informed, well
educated liberal, you know, West Coast sensibilities, and she was

(04:20):
shocked to hear about some of these instances of violence
because they're not being covered by PBS, by the New
York Times, They're really being covered in the alternative media.
So she didn't know, for instance, that a Jewish guy
was stabbed. You didn't mention, which I would throw in
with this list that two Jewish students, Kabad students, so

(04:43):
kind of visibly Jewish, dressed in the Chabad kind of
traditional dress, very recognizably Jewish, were choked. This one of
them was choked on a subway train after a lot
of anti Semitic slurs in hates beach was kind of
thrown in their direction. This is on video. I would

(05:05):
throw in. I would mention, not throw in the attacks
on Christians in Nigeria. I just did an episode about that.
There have been about fifty two thousand Christians killed in
Nigeria in the last decade and a half, usually by
Islamist groups, and even moderate Muslims are being killed in Nigeria.
So it's all part of a bigger picture. And what

(05:30):
I always like to do is kind of step back
and look at the kind of the chessboard. It's a
thousand percent correct that a weird alignment I call it
the Red Green Revolution. A lot of other people do
as well. Are alliance right, Red is Marxism, Green is
kind of Radical Islam, this bizarre alliance which has nothing

(05:53):
to do with each other ideologically, because Marxism, of course
is totally atheistic and radical Islam is totally theistic. But
they've aligned and the goal is to use radical Islam
as a kind of bludgeon to pummel the West. I
would note that the rise of these activated terror cells,

(06:17):
really these acts of violence, Islamic driven violence kind of
erupted after the whole bludgeoning via medical tyranny fell apart.
I mean, you've got to notice the timeline. You know,
the globalists were doing really well subduing us with the vaccine,

(06:37):
and then the whole narrative around the vaccine kind of
fell apart all at once, especially with RFK Junior in
the White House and some facts getting out about how
dangerous and deadly it was, and so the channel just switched.
And it seems like, like I often write on social media,
it's a memo. It's a memo. It's almost like a
memo has gone out to all of these groups of
Afghanis and Syrians, and Iraqis, and you know, like really

(07:02):
hard core Islamist people from Pakistanis, from tribal areas, you know,
not like highly educated engineers from you know, Delhi, Right,
I mean like really really medieval versions of Islam are
being activated right now to terrorized Jewish groups, to stop

(07:25):
Jews from entering synagogues, to disrupt Christmas markets in Europe,
in Britain, to stop Israeli sports teams from playing in Birmingham,
in Barcelona, and now it's come to our shores. You know.
Mom Donnie's are on Mam Donnie's New York, not coincidentally,
I think, is the site of the most recent attacks

(07:47):
on Jews in New York. Right, there's a changing of
the guard, and Mom Donnie has said he's going to
kind of soften police responses, which is terrifying. And you're
one thousand percent correct to say they start the Saturday
people and then they go one to the Sunday people.
We're being thrust back into kind of a medieval, you know,
Crusades type reality in which you can be attacked for

(08:13):
the way you refer to God, you know, or the
kind of church or synagogue. I won't yet say Moss
because I don't think people are going after Muslims in
the same way, but I hope it won't get there.
But literally, radical Islam is being directed against Jews and
directed against Christians, and it's not going to end. And

(08:35):
it's by the way, I just want to say, it's
not just Islamists being directed against Christians. There have been
hundreds of churches that have burned to the ground in Canada.
So like Antifa and Radical Islam are kind of joining forces.
Both of them are sorows backed, right, both of them
are getting funding from you know, the same NGOs, the
un linked NGOs that created instability of various kinds around

(09:01):
the world. But it's a very scary time and it's
not over. It's only the fourth night of hanuk kind already.
You know, there have been so many attacks on Jews
and now on Christians. And it's not Christmas yet, God forbid.
You know the kinds of attacks to expect against Christians
around Christmas.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well said. You know, Cash Bettel has warned about this
new classification. He's calling nihilistic violent extremist nihilistic violent extremists.
And of course it seems as though we are now
starting to read the the You know, your world view
is the foundation of your values. Your values is the

(09:41):
foundation of your conduct, and now we're kind of harvesting
the conduct of values and worldviews, right and nihilism. Life
has no ultimate meaning, you know. And I think it's
so interesting that you brought up the COVID situation on
your own there and intertwined that into your excellent commentary.
That was my next question was do you think the

(10:02):
COVID response in some ways contributed to the dehumanization? And
you brought it up on your own without me having
to ask, so you must have already been pondering this.
You want to speak to that a little more.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, I'm more cynical than your I don't think that
it was like a discent, like, oh, first they dehumanized
us with the lockdowns and the masks and the COVID
and the course injections. Certainly that was a massive kind
of global exercise, like ritual humiliation of humanity with a

(10:36):
goal of dehumanizing us to ourselves, right, having us forget
our human dignity and rights. But I don't think it
was like, oh, that happened, and then we were so
dehumanized that the religion started to turn on each other.
I don't think it's as organic as that. I think
it's like, remember how there was the lockdown and then

(11:00):
there was BLM everywhere, and then you know, BLM kind
of went away, and then there was I Stand with
Ukraine everywhere and it was all about Ukraine, and then
Ukraine kind of went away. Right, You're seeing AI change
the channel with the global discourse, and so AI now
has the capability to change the narrative all around the

(11:24):
world in the same way. Early on in twenty twenty,
I was looking at the way we were told all
at once social distancing, and then when I was canceled
in twenty twenty one, before AI was rolled out, it
was weird to me that all over the world I
was a conspiracy theorist in every bio all at once,
because how can humans do that? How can they coordinate

(11:47):
that much all around the world with a single phrase
all at once. Well, now we know about AI, and
I personally think AI has been around longer than it's
been publicly announced, and that AI was in play in
certainly with that messaging, if not before. Well, where I'm
going with that is, I think a small group of
globalists has an agenda. You know, it's the same agenda.

(12:10):
We've talked about it a lot. You know, all smart
people have reached the same conclusion. It's a control grid,
it's central bank digital currency, it's medical tyranny to enforce it.
It's one kind of government power subjugating everyone else. It's
a healthy dollop of Marxism, so that everyone is in

(12:30):
a state of slavery except for a tiny oligarchy. And
it's you know, a marriage with some tech CEOs at
the top, and they've got kind of a policy shop
almost where they issue memos. Really, that's the best way
I can say it. And it's with the assistance of AI.

(12:53):
I mean, that's obvious to me. And the reason I
say that is that now you can see that, you know,
I can well imagine a meeting right in which the
Davos people and the World Health Organization and you know,
the Rockfeller Foundation, Like, there's a handful of entities right
are sitting around saying, no one buys the medical tyranny

(13:16):
thing anymore. It's falling apart. No one's getting the vaccine.
They are becoming aware that we lock them indoors, and
then forcibly injected them with this dangerous, deadly, sterilizing injection
for no reason having to do with health. They're suffering medically.
Trust in US is at an all time low, and

(13:39):
they're starting I've left an important element. They're starting to
be nationalist sovereignty movements in European countries, in Poland, in Hungary,
in France, in Germany, in Britain. And you know, there's
the Trump administration in the US, which is a complete
ranch in the works in terms of sovereignty. People want

(14:03):
to harden their borders. They don't want central bank digital currency.
They're going to try to drag the EU, you know,
out of power and break it up. We're in an emergency.
What do we do? Oh, okay, time for Plan B
or you know, Stage two. Let's unleash the cells of
radical Islamists, who I will note, because these people are smart,

(14:26):
they put into place for the last four or five
years through mass population movements, mass migration, and so that's
what I think has happened.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Wow, and then let's go to the right. I have
been so discouraged by some people, some of them who
have been friends, some who used to be guested on
the program. Who seem like everything has to come back
to pigmentation, skin color and the Jews. And I try

(14:58):
to keep telling them, I said, do you how many
Jews do you know? Do you know any Jewish children?
Because I do? Okay, And you're telling me you're going
to have this hostility toward Jewish adults who you don't know.
But can we not just go to the Jewish children? Yeah,
let's just talk about the Jewish children. You're going to
be like that toward these children. You have kids, So
why would you treat a group of people that way

(15:21):
and target them, which includes targeting children? And I see people,
I see Nick Twintest talking about, well, if we could
just pick the blacks are of the country and get
rid of the Jews, everything'd be great. And then I
see people on the so called right, the America First crowd,
people that are concerned about the border and different things,
and they're talking about people of color, black people, as

(15:42):
though this is just where all of our problems are
coming from. And I'm like, hello, apparently you haven't watched
cops lately. You know, we all remember the white guy,
you know and his wife beater. I mean, why do
we sin happens to just for meate all people groups,
you know, and I believe that we're of one blood.
The Bible speaks to that issue, that there are different
but there's only one race. But they want to go

(16:02):
to the whole race thing every time. And I take
offense to that for many reasons, and not to mention
because of family members of mine as well. But then
they want to bring in the Jews, and I'm and
I'm thinking, well, isn't this interesting as Islam is rising,
which is really a kind of a neo Nazism in
one sense, since you had the Grand Muffia Palestine helping,

(16:23):
according to the Nuremberg Trials, create the final solution to
off the Jews, and they was going to run over
to Palestine and help, you know, clean that up. That
was the goal, That was the promise. I guess, well,
if you're going to now go after people of color
and you're going to go after Jews, well, now is
the are there some on the right that are now

(16:45):
the new right? It's just very troubling to me. Do
you join me in seeing this and being concerned?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, like and you've said so much. I mean, first,
the the first part of what you were saying, which
is you're hearing conservative commentators or people in your circle
go back to race as the origin of America's problems.

(17:15):
I'm really sorry to hear that. I don't see that
with my network and my feed, but the algorithm cuts
us up into little sub communities. I know it's latent,
you know, in a lot of people, but I had
hoped that that was in the past, because what President
Trump has accomplished, and what the Conservatives in kind of

(17:36):
marriage with MAHA have accomplished, is a very great potential
shift in which a party that could in my lifetime
be caricatured as kind of an old boy networks, you know,
Southern Baptist, kind of innately racist party. Right, That's how
Democrats are told. Republicans think and behave, and Conservatives think

(17:57):
and behave. President Trump managed to move a lot of
black men, especially into voting for MAGA, and and a
lot of legal Hispanic American voters who really see the
Democratic Party becoming more and more estranged from you know,

(18:18):
Hispanic family values of Catholicism, community family, you know, quite
conservative values. So those are two giant demographics that the
right was sort of sensibly absorbing and creating a very
powerful coalition with centrists like you know, the Maha Moms.
That is all being torched by people like Nick Fuentis

(18:41):
and the anti Semites, not to mention the racists again
against black and Hispanic people who are raising their voices.
And it's sad for me because I now, you know,
have thrown in my lot with conservatives, because I still
think of myself as liberal. But I have so much
more in common with conservatives right now than with the
traditional Democratic Party basic values of decency and sanity. But

(19:06):
all of that is going to be destroyed in the
mid terms, let alone the next presidential election, if these
very ugly voices that are both racist and antismitic, you know,
become the dominate in the echo chamber, and they are
They're big, loud voices, and so that's really really unfortunate

(19:28):
when it comes to people hating on the Jews. You know,
I wrote this essay which may be the reason your
producer reached out to me recently. It is, yeah, and
it was in the wake of the first night of
Hanukkah and the massacre on Bondai Beach against a group
of habbad Is, like the most inclusive respectful of every religion.

(19:54):
We love everybody, you know, group of Jews you're going
to find on the planet, you know, And so it's
so ironic that they were the targets and also the
targets of the choking on the subway in New York.
God knows what's next, because they couldn't be more inclusive,
Like the local Habbad teaches my Catholic husband Torah, you know,

(20:14):
every time he walks in and sits down and asks
to be taught the Torah. Like they literally welcome everybody
with no judgment. And so that's heartbreaking. But I am
seeing what you're seeing. I grew up in this country
thinking that the anti Semitism of the twenties, thirties and
forties in this country was really of the last century,

(20:36):
was really behind us. And when I was growing up,
you had to be really ill educated and kind of
a troglodite, just dumb to publicly say antismitic things. Certainly
anti Semitism existed, but people didn't trot it out at
cocktail parties, you know, and only the most boorish, illeducated

(20:59):
people said, yeah, it's all the Jews. Now, I personally
think that someone I used to like a lot, and
you know, have very cordial chats with Tucker Carlson. I
think his comments sadly at Charlie Kirk's memorial service really
opened the floodgates. Ken Owens has not helped one bit.

(21:21):
She happens to be African American is not giving her
any wisdom or compassion about other hating other groups or
not hating other groups. She trots out one hellish you
know riff after another. I mean, I was reduced to
tweeting her pictures of my relatives murdered in Auschwitz, you know,

(21:42):
from ancestry dot com. Here's my great aunt, here's my
great uncle. Here's their twelve year old child who was
murdered at Auschwitz. You know, here are my four great
aunts and uncles on my grandmother's side. Here are my
four great aunts and uncles on my grandfather's side. Here's
you know that my great great grandfather who was taken
off the mountain by the Nazis. No never heard from
him again. Like, you know, these are conversations you just

(22:06):
think you will never have to have in America with
people with more than a high school education. But she
has done a lot of damage and she continues to
and then of course Nick fuentis team Hitler. Hey, mom
and dad, Hitler was effing cool. You know this is
this is Unfortunately the social media really reinforces this kind

(22:26):
of thing because every one of these posts is like ooh, clicks, ooh.
You know, that's all over the independent media. That's more clicks,
more subscribers, more people will tune in if just to
watch the car wreck of you know, a brain consuming
itself with stupidity and ignorance of history. But that's happening,

(22:49):
and then there's this unfortunate merger of legitimate I guess
if you're maga criticism of money that we send to Israel,
and there is certainly an argument. I'm America first, I
too think we don't need to send billions to Egypt,
or billions to Saudi Arabia. We don't need to send billions,

(23:12):
probably to Israel.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I agree, I agree, and yet I'm a very strong
Christian Zionist. But I agree with that. I say that
to my audience all the time. I could be a
strong Christian Zionist without believing I need to send billions
to Israel or have my sons die in a war
in the Middle East totally.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
However, that fact that we do have. You know, Israel
does have a lobby, just like Cutter has an even
bigger lobby, right, or Turkey as a giant lobby that's
being used as a they're mushing hatred of Jews or
the Jews are behind everything. The Jews killed Charlie Kirk.
You know Israel killed Charlie Kirk. You know, the Jews

(23:49):
are behind the pandemic that like every it's all the
protocles of the elders of Zion, right, they mush that
into what initially sounds reasonable. Have a conversation about the
power of the Jewish lobby. However, I am going to
say one more thing, if I may, I beg your pardon.
I didn't turn off notifications. Let me do that. I'm
so sorry. Right, people are also really dumb about geopolitics.

(24:15):
And yes, there is a limit to how much money
we should send overseas. However it's totally legal to lobby,
and Turkey lobbies. They all lobby. So if you don't
want money going to Israel, tell your representative, you know,
tell him not to send money to Israel. And the

(24:36):
last thing I will say, because I've kind of been
pushed past my limit of you know, until very recently,
I used to be very like, it's you know, Palestine, Israel, peace,
it's all. It's join hands Kumbaya. Maybe we shouldn't, you know,
have a theocratic country. I am such a Zionist now,
I'm just going to say it. I am such a

(24:57):
Zionist now one hundred percent, and no no one gives
me checks. I am an independent person. I am a
Zionist because if it weren't for Israel being our ally
in the Middle East, we would be facing the biggest
block of Islamic jie hottist terror with nothing holding it back,

(25:18):
and we'd be facing it over here. So Israel is
our proxy war, you know, to hold back or hold
it bay a massive block of the Islamic world which
sees us as the great Satan. And it's a good
ally to have, you know, if if you want to
deal with Syria and Iraq and Iran and Saudi Arabia

(25:40):
and you know all and Afghanistan and their treatment of
women and homosexuals, and you want to deal with their
terror cells over here with no Israel, you know, trying
to hold things down off in the Middle East. God
bless you no good luck with that. We I think
we get good value for our money with is As
our ally.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
One hundred percent. And I know you've got a heart out.
We have a reporter on the ground in Israel, we've
had now for a few years. We pay him. I,
like you, take no money from any Israeli group or government.
I mean they're happy. I'd love to have some support
to write off my thousands and thousands, tens of thousands
of dollars in band with Bill every month to give
away free programming. But I receive no money. We pay

(26:22):
our own reporter on the ground. We are independent because
like you, I have convictions, and I understand the historical
basis for the Jewish people, what they've been through their
right to the land historically, and we can go all
the way back to the Belfar Declaration and all of
those great things which so few people talk about anymore.
But I also understand it as a as a Christian,

(26:43):
and I understand Genesis twelve and Genesis fifteen and the
Abrahamic Accord. And so I have a new book. I
just finished four one hour programs on why I'm a
Christian Zionist I'll be turning it into a book. I
defend it from the Old Testament, and I'll just say
in this inclosing, Naomi, I'm fighting the evangelicals that are
teaching replacement theology in our churches, which has taken over

(27:04):
like a cancer, that somehow that God has broken his
place with Israel. They passed over him as Messiah, so
he went to the Gentile and now Israel has been
replaced by the modern church. That's called replacement theology. And
it is a cancer on modern day evangelicalism. That was
not the case when I was growing up in the
seventies and eighties. To the contrary, now that permeates that

(27:27):
John Calvin Luther Martin Luther teaching has permeated many what
were traditionally strong Christian Zionist church denominations through what is
called Calvinism. And so you go read Luther, you go
read Calvin, and you start listening. And of course we
have to remember Mark Luther was quoted three times by

(27:49):
hilar Miindkomf. But this is my calling in life, has
been largely in one sense, with my many many books,
is calling out the evangelicals because of where they've been
going and one of them is the replace theology. And
so I'm fighting the anti Semitism through the theological and
eschaeological beliefs of the modern Church to say, no, God's
done with the Israel, He's done with the Jews. We

(28:11):
don't care about that. We're now the new Israel, the Church.
And I'm like, really, it's funny. You guys want to
take all the blessings described in the Old Testament, but
you don't want to take any of the curses and
the Mosaic covenants. So this is a fight, sadly that
is repeating itself from the nineteen thirties when the German
Christians dissolved their denominations and united under the rich bishop

(28:32):
handpicked by Adolf Hitler for the same reason they had
all bought into the replacement theology. So you and I are,
I think, fighting this in different areas, but it's the
same fight.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Closing comment, well, I'm just so grateful to you because
you've solved a mystery that was really haunting me. I
keep seeing people online saying these crazy things like, you know,
Jews are no longer God's chosen people. You guys blew it,
you know, And so now we've replaced you, the churches
replaced and I'm like, that's not theologically accurate in Christianity.

(29:06):
I was wondering where it came from. And so now
you're telling me that there's a very dangerous, untrue, inaccurate
wave of misinformation basically going into American churches. And I'd
love to know more.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
So I'm going to send you my book. I can
send you, I can have Logan send you the four
TV shows, but we can also send you the book,
whichever you prefer. And we have major Christian writers out
there for years that we've been battling saying things like
there's no super sign in the New Testament, no super
sign in the New Testament, that Israel is important to God.
And I'm like, what you have you not read Romans

(29:45):
chapter eleven. This is Saul, who became Paul, who was
of the tribe of Benjamin, who was a Pharisee, who
says right there in Romans chapter eleven, as a former,
as a member of the tribe of Benjamin, as a Jew,
is God done with the Jewish people? He says no,
And then he goes on around verse twenty eight twenty

(30:07):
nine thirty of Romans eleven to say, the promises that
God has for the Jewish people are quote eer revocable
end quote. And yet we have this ignorance. And the
only way you can get there, Naomi, is through editing
the Bible, which I can show you pastors that will
take verses cut them in half, so it sounds like

(30:28):
the Jews there are enemies of God. Period. No, no, no,
the verse doesn't have a period there. It keeps going.
But God will show them mercy and will keep his
promises to their fathers, which would be Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
But they cut the verse off so without a context,
or they spiritually allegorize it away. And what we do
is come back with clean hermeneutics, biblical tools for the

(30:51):
study of scripture, scripture, to confirm scripture, scripture, to interpret
scripture both old and new. And you can't come around.
And yet that form that I'm called is called dispensationalism
that is under attack today. We are called all and
Tucker Carlson has done a fair amount of interviews with
people attacking those of us who are dispensationalists that stand
where we do. But this is classic Christianity. Billy Graham D. L. Moody.

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I can take you down through history of classic people
and this is what Christian has been.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, I'm shocked. I mean I must add there Jesus Christ,
the Jew, who taught in the temple and celebrated Passover
and said in Matthew, not a jot or tittle of
the law will pass away till heaven and earth passes away.
He administered to Jews. He was distilling. You know, Jewish

(31:43):
belief for Jews and non Jews is my interpret us.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
So Matthew, Matthew is a distinctly the Gospel of Matthew
is a distinctively Jewish book. And all of the authors
of the Bible, other than Luke, we're all Jewish. So
we have a Jewish Messiah and a Jewish Bible. Really,
but yeah, I know you got to go. It's a heartbreak,
but I'll send you some stuff. I had no idea
we were really, I had no idea we're going to
go there. But I find it interesting that you find

(32:10):
it interesting because I respect your political and geopolitical background
and where you've you know, the work you've accomplished, and
I really enjoy talking to people like you and explaining
to some of the folks that I know out of
Washington and whatnot, because they will say to me, what
is it with the evangelicals. I watch them online, They're
all turning. And then when I tell them, like I
did you, I get the same response from them, which

(32:33):
I love that because it allows me to take what's
kind of my wheelhouse and help people who I think
are very influential. And I want them to get it
because when people like you get it, you can reach
people that I could never reach.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Well, it's huge. We clearly have to all work together
on this. But what I'm interested in before I go,
I promise, is I want to know the funding of
that complete inversion of what was understood in and you
know classical Christianity and classical Judaism. We were, you know,
the tree in the branch, right. I mean, there's no question.

(33:07):
And what I keep thinking about is this Katari money,
which I haven't mentioned yet, you know, millions and millions
of Katari money, because what we're seeing is of you know,
the alliance between Christians and Jews, especially religious Christians, fundamentalists,
evangelical Christians in the past and Jews has been so
strong because of the understanding that Scripture says, we're really

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you know, flowing from one people in one root. And politically,
it's such a clever idea if you want to destroy
America to break that up, or if you want to
you know, white Israel off the map, break it up.
So I definitely need to know more about there.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
So money involved, I know, but I'll tell you one
of the main things is our seminaries became very weak
on the teaching of Bible prophecy and yet about a
third of the Bible's Bible prophecy, but they became very
weak on the teaching of theology and doctrine. They began
to teach more about fundraising, administration, how you grow a

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church instead of teaching the Bible promeneutically in context. And
once you when you when your church is abandoned theology,
then you're done your toast because your theology ends up
impacting your eschatology, your in time belief and what is
the function and purpose of the church. And the social
justice people love this because once the church is now

(34:28):
bought into social justice materialism over spiritualism, then you've completely
neutered the church, which is of course the church can
go and do great things in a material world, but
ultimately the great commission right. And so I think we
can take it all the way back to groups of
people that said we've got to grab the church, We've
got to transform the church, that last line of defense.

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I've even had CIA people who were once an atheist
and one was a kind of an agnostic, set up
my table as retired CIA and said, Brandon, what you're
trying to do with the Evangelical Church is so? And
I said why? And they said, because that is the
last line of defense for the Islamist If they can
take out they take out the Evangelical Church to buy

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into replacement theology that they will turn on the Jews.
They will see no special reason to defend the Jews.
If they can become people that no longer stand for
the Bible, they can be taken down and taken over
with interfaith dialogue that we all worship the same gone.
And so even from a national security standpoint, they said, look,
we're not like Bible people, but we understand if the

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Evangelicals go down, the country's over, because that's the last
line that they have to penetrate.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Wow, which brings us back to the red Green alliance
right both to Marketists and the Islamists would like to
get rid of that bond between Christians and Jews. And
I guess the last thing I want to say, and
that I promise i'll he is you know, I'm reading
the Geneva Bible, you know, in comparing to the Hebrew
Bible fifteen sixty Geneva Bible, the Great Reformation Bible before

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the King James version, and it's a very accurate translation
into English from the Hebrew. And I read Hebrew. And
I mentioned this because they were motivated by bringing the
literal word of God to as they put it, every
plowboy right without the intermediary of the church and the
pope and so on.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
But my only caution about the Geneva Bible, there's a
great Bible is John Calvin at Geneva and his what
he said about the Jews. And if you go and
look up and I can send it to you what
he said about the Jews, and you didn't know was
John Calvin, you'd be going, who is well?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
And you're going, well, what I'm sure like you know,
I'm sure there's people have the prejudices of their time,
and you know, deep prejudices that just persist century after century.
But all I was going to say is another reason too.
And I'm seeing this in like you know, reform Judaism
as well. And you know, when I go to church,
I kind of am struck at how little scripture is,

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you know, And when I go to synagogue except Abad
and the Orthodox, you know, they don't really read scripture.
And now that I'm reading the Hebrew Bible, you know,
verse by verse by verse, I'm like, wow, the with this,
no one can shake you, no one can you know,
terrify you, no one can lie to you, no one
can you know, deceive you. It's in addition to everything

(37:24):
else that is the agenda of making sure that scripture
isn't taught in seminary. I imagine that just making sure
people don't have access to the real Word of God
is absolutely That's all.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, your harmper is it right? Because once you take
away people's ability to or to train them to know
the Bible, they're open to anything. I think it says
in the scriptures you that people be tossed about to
and fro by every wind of doctrine that deceives people.
But once you know the Bible, and we don't have
to have someone that knows it. We have to run
to them. Now. We need Bible teachers and people that

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know it, that can mentor us and disciple us and
teach us and pastors and those things are great. But
at the end of the day, if Christians knew their Bible,
the Church in America would be able to speak up
and say, I'm sorry, that is not in the Bible.
That's not acceptable. We will not accept that in our churches.
We will not accept that on Christian radio, we will
not accept that in our Christian colleges and universities and
church de nominations. But sadly, the average Christian, and the

(38:20):
polls show it, the average Christian doesn't know their Bible.
But see, that's the goal when you penetrate with the
progressive Marxist ideology, the cultural Marxism, that they penetrated these
seminaries years ago, and I have the quotes, the historical
quotes by them saying, if we can get into these
seminaries and we can change them within, then those guys

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go on, which is why you had the National Council
of Churches, the Federal Council of Churches. Those guys that
started that, Walter rogen Bush and his buddy that was
known as the Red Dean. They knew if they could
penetrate those churches, boy, they could destroy that foundation. And
then forty fifty years down the road, here you have
a church today that is not opposing Islam, not opposing

(39:03):
what's happening to the Jews. And those guys, if they
were around today, would say would be saying in many regards,
this is exactly what we were trying to do. Turn
the church into a social program, not a spiritual force
to stop evil. Wow, you and I could go for hours.
I like talking to you because you're well read, and
we go back and forth and it's always fun. And
I want to show your website here. It is Dailyclout

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dot io Dailyclout dot io and of course you can
follow her on X. There is her ex handle right
there at doctor Naomi I Are Wolf, no no Naomi
Our Wolf, at Naomi r Wolf at no Omi Naomi
our Wolf, follow her on X and all of her

(39:46):
great work Naoi. Thank you so much, Happy Honikah.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Happy Merry Christmas. Almost, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Thank you guys. Will be right back after this short
break