March 26, 2025 • 51 mins
In this episode of the Braun Performance & Rehab Podcast, Dan is joined by Jimmy St Louis to discuss his career as an athlete, his entrepreneurship endeavors, and Agentis Longevity, where Jimmy is currently serving as CEO.Jimmy holds a BS in Business Administration from Auburn University and an MBA, MS in Finance, and MS in Telecommunications from Murray State University. Jimmy transitioned to entrepreneurship, co-founding and scaling Laser Spine Institute into a $48M EBITDA national platform. He went on to lead Advanced Healthcare Partners and Regenerative Medicine Solutions, delivering a ~6x CoC return for investors with a $22M exit. He is the founder and CEO of Franchise123, a digital franchise marketplace, and AliRx, a membership-based food sensitivity service. He is also a decorated athlete with four national rowing medals and formerly played in the NFL as a Tight End for the Tennessee Titans. For more on Agentis Longevity, be sure to check out https://www.agentislongevity.com/For more on Jimmy be sure to check out https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-st-louis*SEASON 6 of the Braun Performance & Rehab Podcast is brought to you by Isophit. For more on Isophit, please check out isophit.com and @isophit -BE SURE to use coupon code BraunPR25% to save 25% on your Isophit order!**Season 6 of the Braun Performance & Rehab Podcast is also brought to you by Oro Muscles. For more on Oro, please check out www.oromuscles.com***Season 6 of the Braun Performance & Rehab Podcast is also brought to you by Firefly Recovery, the official recovery provider for Braun Performance & Rehab. For more on Firefly, please check out https://www.recoveryfirefly.com/ or email jake@recoveryfirefly.comEpisode Affiliates:MoboBoard: BRAWNBODY10 saves 10% at checkout!AliRx: DBraunRx = 20% off at checkout! https://alirx.health/MedBridge: https://www.medbridgeeducation.com/brawn-body-training or Coupon Code "BRAWN" for 40% off your annual subscription!CTM Band: https://ctm.band/collections/ctm-band coupon code "BRAWN10" = 10% off!Ice shaker affiliate link: https://www.iceshaker.com?sca_ref=1520881.zOJLysQzKeMake sure you SHARE this episode with a friend who could benefit from the information we shared!Check out everything Dan is up to by clicking here: https://linktr.ee/braun_prLiked this episode? Leave a 5-star review on your favorite podcast platform
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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dot com. Joining me today on the podcast is Jimmy
Saint Louis. Jimmy is no stranger to the podcast. He
is an incredible individual doing incredible work and I always
appreciate our time together. In the conversations we've had today,
Jimmy and I dive into his past experiences as an
ath ranging from his involvement in football, cross country rowing,
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the injuries he's faced such as multiple ACL tears, in
addition to the current work he's doing with a company
called Agentice Longevity. I'm a huge fan of the work
that Agentice and Jimmy are doing, and I cannot wait
to see how they evolve the healthcare space. I think
they're providing something that the industry has really needed for
a long time, and I'm so excited that we've been
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able to kind of give you a little bit of
an insight into what they've been building over the last
several months and what they all continue to build for
years to come enjoy. Jimmy, Welcome back to the podcast.
I'm so excited to work with you again, and I
really appreciate the connection we've been able to maintain over
the last few years, and I love the work that
you've been doing with Agentice lately. For people who might
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not be familiar with you and your incredible backstory, would
you mind filling them in a little bit about who
you are and all the incredible things you've done, ranging
from sport and entrepreneurship and beyond.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, it sounds good. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It's been nice to stay connected and see your business
grow and have the chance to share some of our
story as well.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
So I'm happy to be back on the show with
you Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
For those that have not heard the story before, happy
to just share a little bit of background. I've been
a serial entrepreneur in the innovative healthcare space for about
twenty years now. Prior to that, I had the fortune
to be a multi sport athlete NFL football player, college
football player, made a run at the US Olympic growing
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team as well, and have always lived this life of
how do you figure out the fastest way to rest, recover,
and repeat. And that's transcended into my business life as well.
And when I mentioned some of the story around healthcare entrepreneurship,
my life mission has been to work to try to
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solve serious health problems for people where there's largely an
unmet need. And oftentimes that can be in the form
of a new treatment option, and sometimes it's in the
form of building a journey that patients can trust and
building trust through efficacy, surrounding yourself with the best in
class educators and experts within this, you know, that area
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of the healthcare field. The newest thing we're excited to
have the chance to talk about here is a gentist
longevity and what we're doing in that marketplace and looking
forward to sharing some stories today and having some good dialogue.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, definitely. And it's so fascinating to me that you
bring up that process of rest, recover, repeat, because I
certainly feel like that's the life for so many athletes.
They put their time in, they train hard, and then
it's a matter of when can they get out there
and do it again. But to your point, that same
principle applies in business and entrepreneurship alike. Entrepreneurs wake up
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and they have to put in long days, long hours.
You know, the eight the forty hour work week doesn't
really exist from most entrepreneurs that way, and it's always
a matter of how can they put more in to
get more out of it, if you will. And I
think that a certain element of that, as you mentioned,
is that rest and recover process as well, And I
think that's something that maybe for a while we've been
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kind of misunderstanding.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I think a lot of times people think, you know,
from an overall biology standpoint, the way we've always done
things will just continue to work. But unfortunately, humans are
continuing to evolve, and I think the way we intervene
from a healthcare standpoint also needs to evolve. With that,
you know, I'm very glad to say that I don't
get the healthcare treatment that was seen three four hundred
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years ago, because some of those things just a little
sketchy to me that way. But I feel like anytime
we start to make sweeping evolutions in the space, there's
always a little bit of pushback and skepticism at first.
Is that something that you've seen in relation to the
work you've done with agentis or I guess I should
backtrack a little bit first too. What exactly is a Gentics?
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What is kind of your main mission and vision statement
behind the company and where you're planning to head this year.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, So, if you think about the journey that I've
had the fortune to be on, both in sports and
in more innovative healthcare, those two worlds have had this
opportunity to collide and create what I think has just
been this match made in heaven. In addition to that,
I partner with Short Capital Partners. I founded up in Chicago,
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the largest most successful microcap private equity group worldwide, and
their best in class team, best in class resources has
just been another part of this equation that we know
will lead to to tremendous success. So what a gentis
longevity is is we are a longevity healthcare platform. I
believe that the longevity space has a lot of different
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definitions right now, and you can see that when you
go attend longevity conferences or more innovative healthcare conferences, you
see everybody's running down their own individual rabbit hole. And
our objective is to develop a best in class longevity
platform by partnering with best in class longevity partners physicians, scientists,
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vendors to curate a patient experience that makes sense, that sufficient,
one that is very efficacious, that gives the patients the
opportunity to embark on a process they can trust. But
I think also really important accessibility affordability. When you think
about longevity healthcare right now, you think about lots of
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cash out of pocket and oftentimes people believe it's really
only for a certain subset of our population. Our objective
is to work very hard to bring this to mainstream,
and I believe in order to do that has to
be affordable. You have to be in areas of the
country where it's accessible, and you have to be able
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to build trust with best in class people. Now, when
you said that you made the comment about oftentimes in
innovation there can be some resistance, and I would say
that this has been a bit.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Of a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Sure, there's there's been some some challenges, but generally people
believe that a mission to live longer, healthier, happier lives,
which is the mission of Agentics longevity, it's one that
everybody can get behind. And even though you've seen this
transition from medicine one point zero to two point zero
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to three point zero, I believe that people do generally
believe that getting out in front of your healthcare issues
and being proactive is a good thing, and that is difficult.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
To push back on.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So different than I think how we've approached other businesses
in the past where they did end up being somewhat disruptive,
and even though they ended up being what I believe
were game changing things for patients, there was a lot
of resistance. Our perspective here is let's do it different.
Let's create a situation where you build trust with the
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healthcare community, bring those along that are interested in pursuing
possibly a different way to care for a patient.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So my perspective is.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
You know, you know, rising tides rise all boats and
The objective here is to left up everybody here within
this community, to create a platform that we can be
proud of, but most importantly that can be a game
changer for patients.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, I love that analogy. How can we bring everyone
to the higher ground or higher status of health? And
to your point in a past podcast, I remember you
reference that longevity is kind of where you see the
intersection between the quality of life an individual has and
the duration of life that they have. You know, obviously
we all want to live a long time, but we
also want to live a good time. And you know,
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it certainly seems like now it's becoming possible to be
able to do both. And I think a lot of
times people historically looked at it and they're like, well,
I can live a long time, but then something's going
to break down, Like physically I'm going to deteriorate, or
mentally I'm going to deteriorate, or I could just live
a good time, and you know, I might be you know,
might only make it to fifty or sixty, but at
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least it's a good life.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But now it's like, hey, we're starting to talk about
a conversation where you can be in your eighties, nineties
or even hundreds and still be able to do all
of the things that you physically want to do right, Like,
I think every day we open up the news and
see new stories of people defying the odds things like
you know, running marathons and different things that like most
people wouldn't expect when they see someone of a more
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advanced age doing that way. So I think to your point,
we are certainly seeing an evolution in this longevity space,
and evolution where life quality and life duration are improving
at you know, rapid rates that way. And also to
your point, I think some of the key things you
brought up was the model has to make sense, it
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has to be efficient, accessible, affordable, and ultimately the patient
has to trust the providers that they're given. And I
think those are issues that I see and talk about
with a lot of athletes and a lot of even
providers on the podcast. Is a lot of times they
feel like, you know, they're prescribing interventions that they don't
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fully understand, or they feel like there could be a
more effective way to get things done, but they're not
able to do that because of some kind of artificial
barrier or roadblock that exists in the system or in
other and going on the accessibility route for a second,
there's been patients that I've worked with in clinic that
you know, we unfortunately can't continue to see them because
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they can't afford to pay and their insurance decided, you
know what, we can't cover this anymore. So there's certainly
a lot of issues in the healthcare space, and it
sounds like you've identified almost all of them, and it
sounds like you're working to correct almost all of them
in one model. That way, I'm curious what's different about
your framework that you've built for a gentist that's allowed
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you to kind of solve all these issues that I
think a lot of people in the healthcare space recognize
but haven't been able to really get a grasspot and
if you will.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So, if you think about our strategy, Agentis Longevity has
a roadmap that we started to execute on that we
believe will build those best in class platform and the
idea of helping people live longer, healthier, happier lives really
starts at the beginning with educating to build trust to
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help individuals adopt healthcare services that one they may not
have thought they had access to before. Two they may
not have known about, and three do so in a
manner that just becomes part of their lifestyle. I think
that oftentimes you look at longevity and you look at healthcare,
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and people think about them differently, in more of a
bifurcated manner. Where our perspective is healthcare should be there
as a support your longevity initiatives should be there as
a lifestyle. Now to talk about the differentiators, it's first
important to note what these first two years look like
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for agentist longevity. Those first two years look like we
are out there securing best in class partnerships.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
First said differently, we.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Are acquiring best in class longevity healthcare operations.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We are bringing in great resources.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But more importantly, as we acquire more and more, they
at the top are sharing their best practices. You might
have one longevity healthcare practice that is really great at
hormone optimization. You might have another one that is very
very good at at with therapy, and another that's very
good at therapeutic plasmic change. And each of them may
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have their own individual patient journey, and all those patient
journeys will certainly be efficacious. We will only partner with
best in class brands who have great outcomes, who have
happy patients, who are doing.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Something very very well. So when you think about that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Network effect, our objective is to first acquire those best
in class longevity healthcare practices to expand what we call
this honeycomb of services. Right, So you think about all
the different things that would go into a longevity healthcare
initiative and or journey for the patient. We want to
secure those best in class practices and expand the services
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across all of our clinics by allowing those clinics to
share their best practices with one another. So there's a
network effect. There's an organic growth model there that allows
us to really really get precise about that patient journey.
Over time, as we develop that blueprint, then we will
open up individual clinics of our own, right, So we
will throughout the country continue to open up that true
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ideal longevity healthcare practice. And I would tell you that
the differentiator for this is accessibility and affordability. We need
this to be affordable to everyone, to have the large
majority of people see it, trust it, feel it, and
gain access to it. So we do that by building
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out this incredible board of directors of best in class
world leaders in their own right in their own individual fields,
as well as building a world class management team that
allows us to work and collaborate with the partners that
we are acquiring. So as you think about that, we
aren't out there just trying to reinvent the wheel. What
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we're just trying to do is to be a great
facilitator of best in class practices that give us the
opportunity to expand the services. So to me, that that
plus affordability are the two major differentiators from where I
think the world has lived before. The difference though, is
where in the past, where we would have resistance, we're
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seeing nothing but excitements and people being aligned to that vision.
Even individual operators, individual vendors who are running down their
own rabbit hole, they're excited about this particular initiative because
I think they see it as that platform to really be.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Able to execute.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And I'll close this part by saying it's been a
wonderful thing because I truly believe that the majority of
people in this space are mission driven. They want to
accomplish a mission, they have something to prove. I think
generally everybody believes in order to accomplish a mission.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
We have to do it together.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. That's such a great point.
We do have to do it together. And to your
point about the network effect as well, I've yet to
meet one single clinician that is one hundred percent right,
one hundred percent of the time myself included that way.
We need each other, we rely on each other. We're
social beings.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Kelly Sturrett had a great line on the Humman podcast
recently about how you know the brain is made to
do dope stuff together with other dope people that way, right,
And I think the network effect really ties into that.
And I think you're building something powerful and pactful that
we haven't seen elsewhere. And I think the more we
bring like minded individuals together for that common mission and
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common goal of hey, how can we best provide for
the person in front of us, but then also have
this system where we're constantly asking each other, Hey, what
can we do to be better? How can we compare notes?
But also hey, we can almost look at every patient
that we look at or every patient that we work
with as an individual case study and reflect back and say, hey,
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here's what we did, here's the effect we got, Why
did we get that? What could we have done differently?
Could we have done something better? It always opened up
this new opportunity to learn and push the needle even
further forward that way, when you involve other providers and
collaborate and care that way. I think that's very exciting stuff.
As you mentioned, you know, you haven't really had any
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kind of pushback at all with this, and I don't
see why anyone would push back on it, because this
is certainly the kind of stuff that I've heard from
people for years that we need in the healthcare space.
It's just no one's actually been the one to bring
it about that way. Now, as you mentioned, you've been
working to acquire some high quality clinics in the space
that way. I want to hear more about the clinics themselves.
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What exactly do they do? You know, are they doing
like outpatient procedures? Is it more like what goes into
this longevity medicine if you will?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Sure so, I believe longevity means a multitude of things,
but happy to dissect those. If you think about direct
access and healthcare modalities that people are adopting to live
these longer, healthier happier lives. You think about out hormone health,
hormone optimization therapy, and how do you gain access to that. Well,
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you gain access to that through this beginning of this
patient journey where you should embark on some more robust
diagnostics just to learn more about your body. So I
think the best way to explain what all these different
clinics do, I'll walk you through this more ideal patient
journey that isn't just being creative, but that we're currently
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executing on and currently growing. So if you think about upfront,
it's important to gain as much knowledge about yourself as possible.
There are a number of in home testing options that
are out there. The pandemic gave us permission to demand
to have access to health information, to have it available
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at our doorstep, and so you think about things like
gut health testing, food sensitivity testing, comprehensive hormone health testing,
like what function health is doing wonderful things. Think about
genetic testing and gene expression testing and the ability to
understand you have these genes your body's behaving in this way.
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Here's some things that you can do to get out
in front of potential health issues. From that perspective, think
about simple tests like metabolic health testing cardio metabolic testing.
The objective for us is to gain as much information
about the patient at the beginning of the journey to
help have logic and reasoning around the journey they're about
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to embark on.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
From a treatment perspective.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So the begining the patient's journey looks like, come in,
get your comprehensive hormone health panel done, and then it
gets get a cognitive function test, gain access to some
general health information from a nutrition perspective, and when you
do that, we believe we now have enough information to
help you embark on your journey.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That first looks like hormone optimization.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
That looks like getting your diet and order and being
educated well. From a food perspective, put the right stuff
in your mouth. Right food is medicine. And then as
you start to see results and we measure and we
benchmark the results over a certain cadence over the course
of time, we then say, okay, now it might be
important to do a more robust test to understand more
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about your genes. And now that your hormones are in order,
here's some things to think about from from a genetic
perspective that you just were born with.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But it's not something to be fearful of.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I believe people oft in the past were fearful to
see those genes because they didn't know what to do
with them.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So now we are able to.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Apply logic and reasoning to the genetic correlation to say,
here's additional treatments that could be for jaira medicine, a
variety of peptide therapies. There might be some things that
we want to do from a overall inflammation perspective, think
about things like therapeutic plasma exchange. These are things that
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help people's bodies work better for themselves. But one thing
we're not going to do is to have a patient
walk in the door and to have them through in
the kitchen sink of diagnostics and the kitchen sink of treatments.
It's you haven't built trust, They haven't seed the efficacious
nature of the procedures and of the treatments. Yet we
want them to see it, feel it, trust it, and
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have that ability to say, wow, what I'm doing here works.
So over the course of that year, we will layer
in more and more tests. But the idea is that's
where it becomes much more personalized for the patient. So
if you think about those different types of treatments, that
is what each of these different clinics are doing. Some
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of them are practicing regeneror medicine very very well, and
they can teach us a lot. Some are practicing hormone
optimization therapy very very well. They can teach us a lot.
They can then go and share those best practices to
expand those services across the board.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
No, I think that's a great point. You kind of
built this network, as you mentioned earlier, bringing all these
different specialists together as it relates to hormone optimization, diet nutrition,
gene testing, regenitive medicine, peptide therapy, and beyond. And I
think that the combination of all of those things really
creates this holistic umbrella that you can certainly provide for
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someone in ways that maybe they would have been missed
from a traditional medicine model that way. You know, I
can't tell you the last time that I've had my
own hormone levels tested. Now, obviously I'm healthy, twenty seven
year old who works out, eats clean, all that, so
we like to think that there's no issue, but it's like,
if you're not assessing it, then you never really know.
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So I think it's awesome that you've built this kind
of foundation, step wise process of how you're going to
assess over time, how you're going to layer that overtime,
and then how you're going to intervene on all of
these underlying facets of health because, as you know, just
as well as anyone else, they all kind of interplay
and impact one another and every single person. It doesn't
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matter if you're an athlete, it doesn't matter if you're
twenty or forty or whatever. That way, everyone needs to
find a way to kind of lock in their underlying health.
And I think that that's something that we've struggled with
as an entire country really for the last several years,
is we've seen the nation get a little bit more
unhealthy every year, and now it's like, what can we
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do to kind of course correct this. And I think
this emphasis on preventative medicine and regenerative medicine, how do
we prevent these issues from happening, but also how do
we kind of, you know, take individuals who maybe are
not where they want to be from a health standpoint
now and get them back to that level that they
do want to be. And again, I don't think anyone
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is really immune to that. There's athletes that I've talked
with that you know, they look fit and in shape,
but you have a conversation with them and they unfortunately
feel like they're in a very poor state of health
health and there are things that can be done to
help course correct that, but it's a matter of having
the right framework in place to help that individual. If
we don't have a framework to follow, then we unfortunately
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are unable to help people and they end up getting
tossed around from one doctor to the next, and they
end up very frustrated. And I think we see that
all the time in our modern healthcare system, and I
think that this is really lining up to be the
perfect remedy for a lot of the frustrations that people
have faced so far.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, you know, I believe knowledge is power.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And you mentioned people that are young generally are in
good health, and that generally is true.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But knowledge is still.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Power no matter who you are, right, So, the ability
to gain access and insights into how your body is
working and how your body is unique and the things
that are happening within you that are unique that might
be different from the neighbor, are different from another athlete
who's sitting right next to you.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So we believe knowledge is power, and when you have
that knowledge, you now.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Have bench So even if you don't adopt other longevity modalities,
but you start to eat differently, you start to sleep better,
and you start to see the needle move within your panels,
now you can start to see the benefit of that.
So I think everyone needs a benchmark. Everybody should understand
where their hormones are. Everybody should understand where their inflammatory
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markers are. Everybody should understand what to put in their
body to seek some level of improvement and get out
in front of it. Everybody should understand some things that
they just may be genetically predisposed to, and that could
be everything from the ApoA four gene that is, you know,
a potential precursor to Alzheimer's, to other genes that may
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just say you're more susceptible to inflammation, or you're more
susceptible to environmental factors.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Just having the.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Ability to learn those things and just understand, I believe
is the most important thing and everybody should have that. Next,
everybody should have access to understanding how to move the needle,
so you get the benchmarks in the baseline, how do
you move the needle. It doesn't have to be things
you pay for. It could just be more knowledge on
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what to eat. It could be more knowledge on how
to rest properly for your specific body. We're fortunate to
have Sarah Godfried, Sarah zul Godfried as one of our
board members, and I consider her to be a world
leader in hormone health, and she's really taught me a
lot about what she calls end of one experiments. So
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test one thing out of time, but have those benchmarks
in place to understand where's your body performing and what
has made the difference. That could be eating something differently.
It could be sleeping, it could be meditation, it could
be hormone optimization, it could be adopting a certain peptide regimen.
Those different things will have an impact on your body.
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And having access and information to understand what is working,
and then doing that over and over again with multiple
end of one experiments working side by side by side
with one another, I believe is potentially just the right
first step. Get the knowledge and information, do end of
one experiments and see what's really working for your body.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I think that's such a great point too, on
the end of one experiment, going back to what I
mentioned before about kind of making each individual sort of
like their own case study. That way, I think that
there's a lot of power that comes from playing around
with one variable at a time, or you know, maybe
changing one variable at a time for one individual at
a time and seeing what impact that can have on them.
(27:37):
And I think ultimately it comes back to a combination
of both self report and objective things with that too,
you know, objective testing what do we see, what do
we see on our hormone panels or blood panels or
metabolic panels that way, but also how does the individual
feel that way as well, because I think that in
a lot of these conversations we have around healthcare, as
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you mentioned, trust with the provider is essential. I find
a lot of times if you just take the time
to pause and ask someone how they're doing and how
they've felt after something, that trust goes a lot more smoothly,
I guess, I'll say, As opposed to just kind of saying, well,
the numbers look good, let's keep it rolling. You have
to kind of humanize the process. If you will a
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little bit, and I realized that this is something that
you're extremely knowledgeable about and passionate about. Jimmy, is this
something that you've kind of had in the works for
a long period of time or does this kind of
stem back to your own athletic career that way, or
what did the initial interest in this longevity concept and
optimizing all these different facets of health initially come from
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for you?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think it's just been a perfect match of different
parts of my life that have led me here. So
I can talk about the sports background and then and
the business side of things from a healthcare perspective of
how have those two worlds collided? And then there's been
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some serendipitous opportunities in good timing frankly as well. But
my background is had the chance to grow up playing
multiple sports. You know, first grew up in Seattle, which
I consider running country, so cross country track it was
my first love from a sports perspective, and then making
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some moves around the country parents were in the military,
and moved to Kansas, fell in love with basketball, kept
doing cross country and track, and then made a move
to Alabama and was doing cross country track, basketball and
then football entered my life, and I kept adding more
and more sports. Where a lot of people at that
age started to specialize, I was expanding what I was doing.
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My first story is I was asked to join the
football team. My best friend was the number one recruit
in the country offensive lineman, Wesley Britt, and he said,
you got to come play, it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And I was about this size.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Then I was a lot skinnier, so I was six
or five, about one hundred and ninety pounds. I was
running cross country and that was my first love. And
football coach said, hey, why don't you come play? And
said it's during cross country season, and he said, we've
got it all figured out, right, And so I would
wake up in five am cross country practice. I would
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go to left weights during the second period, and then
you know, three point thirty football practice Friday night, you know,
football under the light, Saturday morning cross country meets. And
that first multi sport, two sports in one season, if
you will endeavor, forced me to first have to dial
into my body and learn how to rest, recover, and repeat.
(30:45):
I was young and unknowledgeable, but I knew that there
were certain things that were going to help me perform better,
being stronger, being faster, Just getting in the weight room
wasn't going to be enough, so I had to figure
out that rest, recover, and repeat. That, in addition to
the discipline at that age, forced me to start to
understand learn more about my body. Fortunately, had a couple
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of good years of football and basketball and track and
cross country in high school and signed a scholarship to
play football at Auburn University, and that, of course was
a wonderful experience in its own major college football program,
And then afterwards had the chance to go on and
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had a decent enough college career to sign a contract
and play NFL football, and that was a whole other
world of its own, more of a business and just
a great learning experience. But leading into all that, I
was always dialing on my body and just trying to
figure out what can help me rest, recover and repeat.
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Also had a passion for school and for education, so
before I even made it to the Titans, had already
started pursuing my MBA graduated after by the time I
was done playing football with three different masters degrees NBA,
Masters of Finance, Masters of Telecommunications as well, and decided
to embark in the business world, and I think life
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is a lot about timing. Our first healthcare endeavor was
a very successful one. We launched a national network of
spine surgery centers, first of its kind, first to market
direct consumer, opted out of insurance charge cash, built out
a great marketing model. But more importantly, we built this
incredible platform to change healthcare in the form of spine surgeries.
(32:36):
And that just gave me, just at a young age,
the chance to say, you know, wow, there's a bigger
passion here than just playing sports. Can change lives by
meeting unmet needs in healthcare. So that set me on
this career trajectory to say, what are those things that
are out there? There are massively unmet needs where there's
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opportunities right in front of us to leverage to do
something special for patients.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So when you.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Think about that, plus then this world of sports, and
I did have a second sports career, if you will,
after football while we were running our first business endeavor,
I was able to continue to pursue sports, was traveling
the world doing triathlons, performing at a high level, stumbled
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in the CrossFit that was a nice hobby, and then
found the sport of rowing. And this part, this chapter
of my life is what leads back to the question
that you had just asked, And that question was how
did I get here? And you know, was it serendipitous
or how did I make that decision? Well, at thirty
five years old, I decided to try to make a
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run at the Olympics and try to make the US
rowing team.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And it was a sport I had never done.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
First time I sat in the boat, I fell in
the water and just thinking, how can anybody do this?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I had to figure out how to rest, recover and
repeat at a whole new level. I believe that the
sport of rowing is possibly the single most difficult, the
most demanding difficult sport, because it takes skill, it takes endurance,
it takes strength, it takes a lot of time. And
the only way you can make up with make up
for that lack of time and experience is just by
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gaining experience.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Through lots and lots of hard work.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
So that endeavor at thirty five years old, married with
some success in health care, saying how do you learn
how to rest, recover and repeat and how do you
solve real problems for people? Just create this AHA moment
for me, and so I said, I want to spend
the next ten plus years of my life helping people
live longer, healthier, happier lives by bringing front and center
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the things that worked for me, not just from a
sports perspective, but from a business perspective and from a
health care perspective. So it's been this journey. It wasn't
just sit down rine a business plan and go and
do something. It's been more like the stars have aligned
and the world and God have led me to want
to focus on something that I think is much bigger
(35:12):
than me, that the world really needs. And then I
think you marry that with timing and where people are now.
Peter Atia did a great job of simplifying it and
calling it healthcare three point zero, and I think that
mixed with people's understanding of their body now post pandemic,
has just created this wonderful opportunity and great timing for
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us to launch something special that can be highly beneficial
for people.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, I completely agree. I love your personal tie in
with that, and it sounds like you are kind of
a product of the product, if you will that way.
You're someone who has kind of walked this walk, seen
the effects and the benefits of kind of a more
optimal approach to healthcare and lifestyle management. If you will,
you know, obviously you take the benefits that you to
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now you're able to share that with others that way,
and I think that's really powerful stuff when someone kind
of walks the walk themselves, if you will that way.
And I think the other piece too that I want
to highlight is you had this desire, as you said,
you had this desire to continue to compete, but that
desire kind of came from being knocked down a little
bit with your rowing incident there, we'll call it. And
(36:23):
I think that that's something a lot of times people
kind of find out when it's just a little sometimes
not too late per se, but later than we might
want it to be. So, for example, a lot of
times when I'm working with athletes, especially after major injuries,
take the ACL for example, they go, yeah, you know,
everyone told me I should have been training more, I
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should have been sleeping better. You know, I should have
actually taken care of my body. But you know, now
that I'm injured and I've had surgery, now I'm going
to do that. And it's like, you know, it kind
of became this situation where it was a little too little,
too late for us to prevent something catastrophic from happening.
We can still recover from it and come back, but
you know, it's also the point where I think the
(37:05):
more we kind of stop pause, listen to individuals such
as yourself who have kind of gone through this, learn
from your own experiences and say, hey, look, you know,
I haven't you know, had any incidents or anything like
that from the rowing team so far. I haven't had
any major injuries knock on wood, But you know, I
need to make sure that I'm taking all of my
(37:26):
own health care needs and putting them as like a
foundational forefront in my life as opposed to, well, I
haven't had them, I can just brush them off until
it's an issue. You know, at the end of the day,
the famous quote an ounce of prevention is worth a
pound of cure holds true. And the more proactive we
can be about this whole process, you know, the more
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we can pursue that desire to again, rest or cover,
repeat at a higher level and continue to do that.
You know, I can't help but wonder how many athletes
and how many active individuals and even entrepreneurs are going
to be able to function at levels that they've never
even thought of if we can get them to understand
the importance of optimizing their overall health and longevity now
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before anything major happens again. You know, it's not to
say that we can't turn time back a little bit.
You know, I think there's a whole different conversation we
could have about anti aging and you know, carrying different
diseases and so on that way. But ultimately, if you
can prevent them from occurring in the first place, you're
probably going to be in a much better spot.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, And I think, you know, it's important to think
about the adoption side of this, And so it's I
believe in life, you know, we all have twenty four
hours in a day, and in life you have to
be able to establish goals in what's important to you.
Some things have to be on autopilot, and some things
have to be intentional until you get them on autopilot
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and develop that habit. And I believe that's important to
not have it feel like embarking on a health care
journey is just another responsibility, right, It should become just
a way of life. What are those things that you're
doing to take care of your body? How are you
being intentional about it because you want to, because it's
important to you, because something that you value. And that's
(39:13):
why I thing is foundational here is there's a mindset
shift that is first important, and then when you do that,
you just develop good healthy habits. The large majority of
longevity can be accomplished through lifestyle. As I say, rest,
recovery and repeat. Are you sleeping right in your recovery?
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Are you eating the right things? Are you doing the
right things for your body? Or are you abusing your body?
And there's a difference. And you can see those people
that have taken pride in themselves and have taken pride
and their own health. And you think about that, when
people take pride in their own health, you don't think
that they went to a doctor all the time. You
think they ate right, they slept right, they exercise, they
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knew how to take care of the body, they knew
how to rest.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And that's almost like the blue zone.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Mentality where most of those people that are living these long,
healthy lives who get into their nineties and beyond, weren't
consistently in and out the doctor's office, trying to be proactive.
They were just proactive because it was just an important
part of life from you know, from from that perspective.
So I think that part's very important you talk about
(40:23):
the side of injury. I've I've had three ACL tears myself,
and I wish I had done certain things to prevent them.
Don't don't know if I could have, But that part
of it taught me a lot as well, just about
the whole rest, recover and repeat. I actually use that
as an indicator for how is my body operating. All
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three ACL tears were in the left knee, fully recovered,
went on and you know, made it run at the
Olympics with that knee ran a very fast forty time,
you know, post college career leading into the NFL draft
with having had two aclitaires. So there's definitely the way
to rest and recover and to just learn how to
(41:07):
rehab and care about your body. But I use that
injury as a way to know if my body's working well,
because if I've got some aches and pains, my inflammatory
markers are probably through the roof. If the outside of
my knee is hurting and my it band gets inflamed.
I'm probably overtraining and my knees telling me that if
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I have incredible knee pain when I'm doing squats, I'm
not taking.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Care of myself. So that's good. That actually serves.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
As a way for me to see if I'm doing
the right things. If I wake up with knee pain,
I probably didn't sleep well, I probably didn't eat well.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
What's going on with my body?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
I need to learn to put myself in check from
that perspective as well. So I think people should be
thinking about those cues, and they should be thinking about
their health far different than their health care journey. And
I believe that the idea of longevity is to first
think about your health health and then to adopt the
healthy habits, and then to gain the information about yourself
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to embark then on that healthcare portion of the health journey.
The things that we can do to be helpful for
you to live that longer, healthier, happier life.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I love that analogy in relation to your knee as well.
It almost becomes like your internal check engine light, if
you will. Yeah, And I think that everyone has those
little signs or warning lights going off day in and
day out. You know, for example, a couple of days ago,
I woke up with a terrible headache. Well, if you
pulled up my garment score from the day it said
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no sleep recorded the night before, I wonder why. But
a lot of people, you know, they would look at
that and they would say, oh, well, you know, it's
a headache. You know I need to go X, Y
and Z, go about my day, YadA, YadA, YadA. And
I think a lot of times we hear the symptom,
we hear a body talking to us, but we don't
ever go in and actually look at the diagnostic of it. Hey,
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what does this mean? What is this trying to tell me?
And what can I do to make sure this doesn't
happen again in the future that way, And it sounds
like that's exactly what you're doing for your knee.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
It's a matter of, hey, how can we get everyone
to understand what their body is trying to tell them
on the day to day, what it means, and what
to do about it that way? And I think that's where, again,
going back to your overall mission, I think the education
piece is so essential as well, because it's not just
necessarily telling people what to do it's also getting them
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involved in the process, getting them to understand why things
are being done, and getting them to learn a little
bit more about their body so that when things do
start to act up, or when things do occasionally you know,
give you that like bad day, if you will, because
everyone's going to have one every now and then. Unfortunately,
you know what to do about it and you know
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how to proceed accordingly.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
It's interesting at the end of this conversation when we're
talking about the body evolving, and it's it's interesting because
there are so many that are more of primal nature
than we probably even realize. But what's happened is over time,
we as humans have created an environment that does not
allow us to really tap into those natural evolutionary things
(44:16):
that were given to us by God and to say,
you know, how does your body rest and recover? How
does your body experience discomfort from a healthy perspective, how
does your body intermittent fast? How does your body get
access to certain foods at certain times of year? And
this harmonious world was created for us to be able
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to go through these ebbs and flows. Right there was
a time where you only were able to access things
that were tigh in sugar at a certain period of time.
There was times of year where it was cold. There
was times of year where it's very hot and you
didn't have the opportunity to go and seek that comfort. Now,
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it doesn't mean that all these things that we created
are bad. They're very, very good. But because we have
created this environment where we do have access to comfort,
we have access to food when we want it, we
have access to healthcare when we want it. Now we're
living these longer lives. But because we have those things
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and it served as a catalyst for the world to grow,
for us to advance technologies, for us to grow the world,
for us to learn more, and for us to create
a much more sophisticated civilization. That said, we have to
be able to pay attention that there are certain things
that we are born with. There is still good and
they're still very natural. Intermittent fasting, eating the right things,
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don't have access to sugar every day of the year,
eat high fat, high protein diets at certain times a year,
exercise and do so frequently and consistently, and do so
in a manner that isn't just having to go to
the gym, but that's built into your lifestyle. Like you
think about these blue zones, and each one of them
had their own little.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Nuance, right.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
You have over in Sardinia, they you know, the grocery
stores up on the top of the hill, right, and
they're walking to the top of the hill every day.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
And so because that they're walking and running hills.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
You think about in the Japanese culture, there was the
as they're sitting on the ground and they're standing up
and down every day, they're doing one hundred and one
hundred and fifty air squads every single day because that's
just what's built into their life. So we have to
build those things into our life to continue to I think,
to pursue that that longevity journey. But I got to
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that because I think it's just important again to focus
on the fact that our lifestyle and our lifestyle alone
can be one that gets us far in our longevity journey.
And then you couple that with knowledge and information about
yourself that they certainly didn't have access to many many
years ago that allows you to then understand what are
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the things you can do to live this longer, healthier,
happier life that may have been caused because we live
in this world of comfort, and that's okay because that
allows us to advance who we are as humans. But now,
where are those things that we're going to do to
counteract those things that may be counterintuitive to our health
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to help us live that longer, healthier, happier life.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I love that. It's about how do we adopt and
evolve our lifestyle more than just kind of like forcing
the same little things into our life that way, And
you know, to use a more robust example of that,
I mean, to your point, I think a lot of
people think they have to go to the gym for
three hours a day in order to be healthy, but
as you mentioned in relation to the blue zones, that's
not always the case. It's just a matter of how
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do you evolve and adapt your lifestyle to what your
body actually needs. And I think that the more we
do that collectively as a healthcare space, the better off
everyone is going to be. And I realize, you know,
as we've been talking about this, this is something that
you're very passionate about. I'm very passionate about, and we
could certainly all day long about it that way and
(48:02):
still really just scratch the surface. Is there anything that
we missed as we were chatting about all the incredible
work you and the team at agentis are doing and
kind of the overall state of health at this point.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
That way, yeah, I woant to say missed.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
I think it's just important to reinforce that what we're
trying to create at Agentice is not our objective to
promote the business of agentives. It is to be an
advocate for the longevity healthcare world and to help live
those longer, healthier, happier lives. But to make sense of
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what that means, There's lots of different rabbit holes that
you can run down. Most of them are quite good,
but we, I think, as healthcare consumers, are often left
to be relatively confused. I even now think about You've
got so many different tools at your fingertip and they
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all sound cool, but we only have twenty four hours
in a day, and how are you budgeting your time
to focus on your health while you're still doing the
other things in life that are important. And because of that,
somebody has to make sense.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Of the healthcare journey.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Someone has to procure the best in class upfront diagnostics
to help you gain access to information.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Somebody has to procure.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
The best healthcare modalities that make the most sense specifically
for you, and help those be accessible and affordable, give
you access to those things, and help then measure what's
the benefit of those So that's ultimately our mission is to,
through our best in class partnerships with best in class physicians, scientists,
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healthcare providers and business operators, share those best practices to
expand our services to help patients embark on a journey
that's accessible, affordable, and make sense so they can go
on to live their longer, healthier, happier life.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I love that. I love that mission, Jimmy. For people
who want to find out more about the work that
you and the team Metagentists are doing, where can they
find you At sure.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
So agentislongevity dot com. You can that's our website reach
out to me directly. I'd look forward to the chance
to connect with people. My cell phone numbers two seven
zero three six six three six nine to nine.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Find me on LinkedIn also.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
But I really enjoy the opportunity to collaborate and learn
from one another. I think that if you surround yourself
with growth oriented, growth minded people, you can create something
special in the world. So I invite the opportunity to
have conversations with anybody who may be interested to talk.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
About this or anything.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
I love the opportunity to get to know new people,
especially those that are sharing similar passions.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
I love that. Jimmy, You're an incredible individual and I'm
so glad we had the opportunity to have this conversation.
We'll link to all of that in the description below
as well. That way, if it didn't quite catch it,
you can just click there. Jimmy, this is incredible. Love
the work you've been doing. Thank you for everything
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Great, Thanks so much for having me on and appreciate it,
and congratslate your success as well.
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dot com. Joining me today on the podcast is Jimmy
Saint Louis. Jimmy is no stranger to the podcast. He
is an incredible individual doing incredible work and I always
appreciate our time together. In the conversations we've had today,
Jimmy and I dive into his past experiences as an
ath ranging from his involvement in football, cross country rowing,
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the injuries he's faced such as multiple ACL tears, in
addition to the current work he's doing with a company
called Agentice Longevity. I'm a huge fan of the work
that Agentice and Jimmy are doing, and I cannot wait
to see how they evolve the healthcare space. I think
they're providing something that the industry has really needed for
a long time, and I'm so excited that we've been
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able to kind of give you a little bit of
an insight into what they've been building over the last
several months and what they all continue to build for
years to come enjoy. Jimmy, Welcome back to the podcast.
I'm so excited to work with you again, and I
really appreciate the connection we've been able to maintain over
the last few years, and I love the work that
you've been doing with Agentice lately. For people who might
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not be familiar with you and your incredible backstory, would
you mind filling them in a little bit about who
you are and all the incredible things you've done, ranging
from sport and entrepreneurship and beyond.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, it sounds good. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It's been nice to stay connected and see your business
grow and have the chance to share some of our
story as well.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
So I'm happy to be back on the show with
you Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
For those that have not heard the story before, happy
to just share a little bit of background. I've been
a serial entrepreneur in the innovative healthcare space for about
twenty years now. Prior to that, I had the fortune
to be a multi sport athlete NFL football player, college
football player, made a run at the US Olympic growing
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team as well, and have always lived this life of
how do you figure out the fastest way to rest, recover,
and repeat. And that's transcended into my business life as well.
And when I mentioned some of the story around healthcare entrepreneurship,
my life mission has been to work to try to
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solve serious health problems for people where there's largely an
unmet need. And oftentimes that can be in the form
of a new treatment option, and sometimes it's in the
form of building a journey that patients can trust and
building trust through efficacy, surrounding yourself with the best in
class educators and experts within this, you know, that area
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of the healthcare field. The newest thing we're excited to
have the chance to talk about here is a gentist
longevity and what we're doing in that marketplace and looking
forward to sharing some stories today and having some good dialogue.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, definitely. And it's so fascinating to me that you
bring up that process of rest, recover, repeat, because I
certainly feel like that's the life for so many athletes.
They put their time in, they train hard, and then
it's a matter of when can they get out there
and do it again. But to your point, that same
principle applies in business and entrepreneurship alike. Entrepreneurs wake up
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and they have to put in long days, long hours.
You know, the eight the forty hour work week doesn't
really exist from most entrepreneurs that way, and it's always
a matter of how can they put more in to
get more out of it, if you will. And I
think that a certain element of that, as you mentioned,
is that rest and recover process as well, And I
think that's something that maybe for a while we've been
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kind of misunderstanding.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I think a lot of times people think, you know,
from an overall biology standpoint, the way we've always done
things will just continue to work. But unfortunately, humans are
continuing to evolve, and I think the way we intervene
from a healthcare standpoint also needs to evolve. With that,
you know, I'm very glad to say that I don't
get the healthcare treatment that was seen three four hundred
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years ago, because some of those things just a little
sketchy to me that way. But I feel like anytime
we start to make sweeping evolutions in the space, there's
always a little bit of pushback and skepticism at first.
Is that something that you've seen in relation to the
work you've done with agentis or I guess I should
backtrack a little bit first too. What exactly is a Gentics?
(05:00):
What is kind of your main mission and vision statement
behind the company and where you're planning to head this year.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, So, if you think about the journey that I've
had the fortune to be on, both in sports and
in more innovative healthcare, those two worlds have had this
opportunity to collide and create what I think has just
been this match made in heaven. In addition to that,
I partner with Short Capital Partners. I founded up in Chicago,
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the largest most successful microcap private equity group worldwide, and
their best in class team, best in class resources has
just been another part of this equation that we know
will lead to to tremendous success. So what a gentis
longevity is is we are a longevity healthcare platform. I
believe that the longevity space has a lot of different
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definitions right now, and you can see that when you
go attend longevity conferences or more innovative healthcare conferences, you
see everybody's running down their own individual rabbit hole. And
our objective is to develop a best in class longevity
platform by partnering with best in class longevity partners physicians, scientists,
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vendors to curate a patient experience that makes sense, that sufficient,
one that is very efficacious, that gives the patients the
opportunity to embark on a process they can trust. But
I think also really important accessibility affordability. When you think
about longevity healthcare right now, you think about lots of
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cash out of pocket and oftentimes people believe it's really
only for a certain subset of our population. Our objective
is to work very hard to bring this to mainstream,
and I believe in order to do that has to
be affordable. You have to be in areas of the
country where it's accessible, and you have to be able
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to build trust with best in class people. Now, when
you said that you made the comment about oftentimes in
innovation there can be some resistance, and I would say
that this has been a bit.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Of a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Sure, there's there's been some some challenges, but generally people
believe that a mission to live longer, healthier, happier lives,
which is the mission of Agentics longevity, it's one that
everybody can get behind. And even though you've seen this
transition from medicine one point zero to two point zero
(07:37):
to three point zero, I believe that people do generally
believe that getting out in front of your healthcare issues
and being proactive is a good thing, and that is difficult.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
To push back on.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So different than I think how we've approached other businesses
in the past where they did end up being somewhat disruptive,
and even though they ended up being what I believe
were game changing things for patients, there was a lot
of resistance. Our perspective here is let's do it different.
Let's create a situation where you build trust with the
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healthcare community, bring those along that are interested in pursuing
possibly a different way to care for a patient.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So my perspective is.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
You know, you know, rising tides rise all boats and
The objective here is to left up everybody here within
this community, to create a platform that we can be
proud of, but most importantly that can be a game
changer for patients.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, I love that analogy. How can we bring everyone
to the higher ground or higher status of health? And
to your point in a past podcast, I remember you
reference that longevity is kind of where you see the
intersection between the quality of life an individual has and
the duration of life that they have. You know, obviously
we all want to live a long time, but we
also want to live a good time. And you know,
(09:04):
it certainly seems like now it's becoming possible to be
able to do both. And I think a lot of
times people historically looked at it and they're like, well,
I can live a long time, but then something's going
to break down, Like physically I'm going to deteriorate, or
mentally I'm going to deteriorate, or I could just live
a good time, and you know, I might be you know,
might only make it to fifty or sixty, but at
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least it's a good life.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But now it's like, hey, we're starting to talk about
a conversation where you can be in your eighties, nineties
or even hundreds and still be able to do all
of the things that you physically want to do right, Like,
I think every day we open up the news and
see new stories of people defying the odds things like
you know, running marathons and different things that like most
people wouldn't expect when they see someone of a more
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advanced age doing that way. So I think to your point,
we are certainly seeing an evolution in this longevity space,
and evolution where life quality and life duration are improving
at you know, rapid rates that way. And also to
your point, I think some of the key things you
brought up was the model has to make sense, it
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has to be efficient, accessible, affordable, and ultimately the patient
has to trust the providers that they're given. And I
think those are issues that I see and talk about
with a lot of athletes and a lot of even
providers on the podcast. Is a lot of times they
feel like, you know, they're prescribing interventions that they don't
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fully understand, or they feel like there could be a
more effective way to get things done, but they're not
able to do that because of some kind of artificial
barrier or roadblock that exists in the system or in
other and going on the accessibility route for a second,
there's been patients that I've worked with in clinic that
you know, we unfortunately can't continue to see them because
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they can't afford to pay and their insurance decided, you
know what, we can't cover this anymore. So there's certainly
a lot of issues in the healthcare space, and it
sounds like you've identified almost all of them, and it
sounds like you're working to correct almost all of them
in one model. That way, I'm curious what's different about
your framework that you've built for a gentist that's allowed
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you to kind of solve all these issues that I
think a lot of people in the healthcare space recognize
but haven't been able to really get a grasspot and
if you will.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So, if you think about our strategy, Agentis Longevity has
a roadmap that we started to execute on that we
believe will build those best in class platform and the
idea of helping people live longer, healthier, happier lives really
starts at the beginning with educating to build trust to
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help individuals adopt healthcare services that one they may not
have thought they had access to before. Two they may
not have known about, and three do so in a
manner that just becomes part of their lifestyle. I think
that oftentimes you look at longevity and you look at healthcare,
(12:05):
and people think about them differently, in more of a
bifurcated manner. Where our perspective is healthcare should be there
as a support your longevity initiatives should be there as
a lifestyle. Now to talk about the differentiators, it's first
important to note what these first two years look like
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for agentist longevity. Those first two years look like we
are out there securing best in class partnerships.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
First said differently, we.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Are acquiring best in class longevity healthcare operations.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We are bringing in great resources.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But more importantly, as we acquire more and more, they
at the top are sharing their best practices. You might
have one longevity healthcare practice that is really great at
hormone optimization. You might have another one that is very
very good at at with therapy, and another that's very
good at therapeutic plasmic change. And each of them may
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have their own individual patient journey, and all those patient
journeys will certainly be efficacious. We will only partner with
best in class brands who have great outcomes, who have
happy patients, who are doing.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Something very very well. So when you think about that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Network effect, our objective is to first acquire those best
in class longevity healthcare practices to expand what we call
this honeycomb of services. Right, So you think about all
the different things that would go into a longevity healthcare
initiative and or journey for the patient. We want to
secure those best in class practices and expand the services
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across all of our clinics by allowing those clinics to
share their best practices with one another. So there's a
network effect. There's an organic growth model there that allows
us to really really get precise about that patient journey.
Over time, as we develop that blueprint, then we will
open up individual clinics of our own, right, So we
will throughout the country continue to open up that true
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ideal longevity healthcare practice. And I would tell you that
the differentiator for this is accessibility and affordability. We need
this to be affordable to everyone, to have the large
majority of people see it, trust it, feel it, and
gain access to it. So we do that by building
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out this incredible board of directors of best in class
world leaders in their own right in their own individual fields,
as well as building a world class management team that
allows us to work and collaborate with the partners that
we are acquiring. So as you think about that, we
aren't out there just trying to reinvent the wheel. What
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we're just trying to do is to be a great
facilitator of best in class practices that give us the
opportunity to expand the services. So to me, that that
plus affordability are the two major differentiators from where I
think the world has lived before. The difference though, is
where in the past, where we would have resistance, we're
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seeing nothing but excitements and people being aligned to that vision.
Even individual operators, individual vendors who are running down their
own rabbit hole, they're excited about this particular initiative because
I think they see it as that platform to really be.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Able to execute.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And I'll close this part by saying it's been a
wonderful thing because I truly believe that the majority of
people in this space are mission driven. They want to
accomplish a mission, they have something to prove. I think
generally everybody believes in order to accomplish a mission.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
We have to do it together.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. That's such a great point.
We do have to do it together. And to your
point about the network effect as well, I've yet to
meet one single clinician that is one hundred percent right,
one hundred percent of the time myself included that way.
We need each other, we rely on each other. We're
social beings.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Kelly Sturrett had a great line on the Humman podcast
recently about how you know the brain is made to
do dope stuff together with other dope people that way, right,
And I think the network effect really ties into that.
And I think you're building something powerful and pactful that
we haven't seen elsewhere. And I think the more we
bring like minded individuals together for that common mission and
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common goal of hey, how can we best provide for
the person in front of us, but then also have
this system where we're constantly asking each other, Hey, what
can we do to be better? How can we compare notes?
But also hey, we can almost look at every patient
that we look at or every patient that we work
with as an individual case study and reflect back and say, hey,
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here's what we did, here's the effect we got, Why
did we get that? What could we have done differently?
Could we have done something better? It always opened up
this new opportunity to learn and push the needle even
further forward that way, when you involve other providers and
collaborate and care that way. I think that's very exciting stuff.
As you mentioned, you know, you haven't really had any
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kind of pushback at all with this, and I don't
see why anyone would push back on it, because this
is certainly the kind of stuff that I've heard from
people for years that we need in the healthcare space.
It's just no one's actually been the one to bring
it about that way. Now, as you mentioned, you've been
working to acquire some high quality clinics in the space
that way. I want to hear more about the clinics themselves.
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What exactly do they do? You know, are they doing
like outpatient procedures? Is it more like what goes into
this longevity medicine if you will?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Sure so, I believe longevity means a multitude of things,
but happy to dissect those. If you think about direct
access and healthcare modalities that people are adopting to live
these longer, healthier happier lives. You think about out hormone health,
hormone optimization therapy, and how do you gain access to that. Well,
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you gain access to that through this beginning of this
patient journey where you should embark on some more robust
diagnostics just to learn more about your body. So I
think the best way to explain what all these different
clinics do, I'll walk you through this more ideal patient
journey that isn't just being creative, but that we're currently
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executing on and currently growing. So if you think about upfront,
it's important to gain as much knowledge about yourself as possible.
There are a number of in home testing options that
are out there. The pandemic gave us permission to demand
to have access to health information, to have it available
(18:47):
at our doorstep, and so you think about things like
gut health testing, food sensitivity testing, comprehensive hormone health testing,
like what function health is doing wonderful things. Think about
genetic testing and gene expression testing and the ability to
understand you have these genes your body's behaving in this way.
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Here's some things that you can do to get out
in front of potential health issues. From that perspective, think
about simple tests like metabolic health testing cardio metabolic testing.
The objective for us is to gain as much information
about the patient at the beginning of the journey to
help have logic and reasoning around the journey they're about
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to embark on.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
From a treatment perspective.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So the begining the patient's journey looks like, come in,
get your comprehensive hormone health panel done, and then it
gets get a cognitive function test, gain access to some
general health information from a nutrition perspective, and when you
do that, we believe we now have enough information to
help you embark on your journey.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That first looks like hormone optimization.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
That looks like getting your diet and order and being
educated well. From a food perspective, put the right stuff
in your mouth. Right food is medicine. And then as
you start to see results and we measure and we
benchmark the results over a certain cadence over the course
of time, we then say, okay, now it might be
important to do a more robust test to understand more
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about your genes. And now that your hormones are in order,
here's some things to think about from from a genetic
perspective that you just were born with.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But it's not something to be fearful of.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I believe people oft in the past were fearful to
see those genes because they didn't know what to do
with them.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So now we are able to.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Apply logic and reasoning to the genetic correlation to say,
here's additional treatments that could be for jaira medicine, a
variety of peptide therapies. There might be some things that
we want to do from a overall inflammation perspective, think
about things like therapeutic plasma exchange. These are things that
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help people's bodies work better for themselves. But one thing
we're not going to do is to have a patient
walk in the door and to have them through in
the kitchen sink of diagnostics and the kitchen sink of treatments.
It's you haven't built trust, They haven't seed the efficacious
nature of the procedures and of the treatments. Yet we
want them to see it, feel it, trust it, and
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have that ability to say, wow, what I'm doing here works.
So over the course of that year, we will layer
in more and more tests. But the idea is that's
where it becomes much more personalized for the patient. So
if you think about those different types of treatments, that
is what each of these different clinics are doing. Some
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of them are practicing regeneror medicine very very well, and
they can teach us a lot. Some are practicing hormone
optimization therapy very very well. They can teach us a lot.
They can then go and share those best practices to
expand those services across the board.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
No, I think that's a great point. You kind of
built this network, as you mentioned earlier, bringing all these
different specialists together as it relates to hormone optimization, diet nutrition,
gene testing, regenitive medicine, peptide therapy, and beyond. And I
think that the combination of all of those things really
creates this holistic umbrella that you can certainly provide for
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someone in ways that maybe they would have been missed
from a traditional medicine model that way. You know, I
can't tell you the last time that I've had my
own hormone levels tested. Now, obviously I'm healthy, twenty seven
year old who works out, eats clean, all that, so
we like to think that there's no issue, but it's like,
if you're not assessing it, then you never really know.
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So I think it's awesome that you've built this kind
of foundation, step wise process of how you're going to
assess over time, how you're going to layer that overtime,
and then how you're going to intervene on all of
these underlying facets of health because, as you know, just
as well as anyone else, they all kind of interplay
and impact one another and every single person. It doesn't
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matter if you're an athlete, it doesn't matter if you're
twenty or forty or whatever. That way, everyone needs to
find a way to kind of lock in their underlying health.
And I think that that's something that we've struggled with
as an entire country really for the last several years,
is we've seen the nation get a little bit more
unhealthy every year, and now it's like, what can we
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do to kind of course correct this. And I think
this emphasis on preventative medicine and regenerative medicine, how do
we prevent these issues from happening, but also how do
we kind of, you know, take individuals who maybe are
not where they want to be from a health standpoint
now and get them back to that level that they
do want to be. And again, I don't think anyone
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is really immune to that. There's athletes that I've talked
with that you know, they look fit and in shape,
but you have a conversation with them and they unfortunately
feel like they're in a very poor state of health
health and there are things that can be done to
help course correct that, but it's a matter of having
the right framework in place to help that individual. If
we don't have a framework to follow, then we unfortunately
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are unable to help people and they end up getting
tossed around from one doctor to the next, and they
end up very frustrated. And I think we see that
all the time in our modern healthcare system, and I
think that this is really lining up to be the
perfect remedy for a lot of the frustrations that people
have faced so far.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, you know, I believe knowledge is power.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And you mentioned people that are young generally are in
good health, and that generally is true.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But knowledge is still.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Power no matter who you are, right, So, the ability
to gain access and insights into how your body is
working and how your body is unique and the things
that are happening within you that are unique that might
be different from the neighbor, are different from another athlete
who's sitting right next to you.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So we believe knowledge is power, and when you have
that knowledge, you now.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Have bench So even if you don't adopt other longevity modalities,
but you start to eat differently, you start to sleep better,
and you start to see the needle move within your panels,
now you can start to see the benefit of that.
So I think everyone needs a benchmark. Everybody should understand
where their hormones are. Everybody should understand where their inflammatory
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markers are. Everybody should understand what to put in their
body to seek some level of improvement and get out
in front of it. Everybody should understand some things that
they just may be genetically predisposed to, and that could
be everything from the ApoA four gene that is, you know,
a potential precursor to Alzheimer's, to other genes that may
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just say you're more susceptible to inflammation, or you're more
susceptible to environmental factors.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Just having the.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Ability to learn those things and just understand, I believe
is the most important thing and everybody should have that. Next,
everybody should have access to understanding how to move the needle,
so you get the benchmarks in the baseline, how do
you move the needle. It doesn't have to be things
you pay for. It could just be more knowledge on
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what to eat. It could be more knowledge on how
to rest properly for your specific body. We're fortunate to
have Sarah Godfried, Sarah zul Godfried as one of our
board members, and I consider her to be a world
leader in hormone health, and she's really taught me a
lot about what she calls end of one experiments. So
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test one thing out of time, but have those benchmarks
in place to understand where's your body performing and what
has made the difference. That could be eating something differently.
It could be sleeping, it could be meditation, it could
be hormone optimization, it could be adopting a certain peptide regimen.
Those different things will have an impact on your body.
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And having access and information to understand what is working,
and then doing that over and over again with multiple
end of one experiments working side by side by side
with one another, I believe is potentially just the right
first step. Get the knowledge and information, do end of
one experiments and see what's really working for your body.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I think that's such a great point too, on
the end of one experiment, going back to what I
mentioned before about kind of making each individual sort of
like their own case study. That way, I think that
there's a lot of power that comes from playing around
with one variable at a time, or you know, maybe
changing one variable at a time for one individual at
a time and seeing what impact that can have on them.
(27:37):
And I think ultimately it comes back to a combination
of both self report and objective things with that too,
you know, objective testing what do we see, what do
we see on our hormone panels or blood panels or
metabolic panels that way, but also how does the individual
feel that way as well, because I think that in
a lot of these conversations we have around healthcare, as
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you mentioned, trust with the provider is essential. I find
a lot of times if you just take the time
to pause and ask someone how they're doing and how
they've felt after something, that trust goes a lot more smoothly,
I guess, I'll say, As opposed to just kind of saying, well,
the numbers look good, let's keep it rolling. You have
to kind of humanize the process. If you will a
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little bit, and I realized that this is something that
you're extremely knowledgeable about and passionate about. Jimmy, is this
something that you've kind of had in the works for
a long period of time or does this kind of
stem back to your own athletic career that way, or
what did the initial interest in this longevity concept and
optimizing all these different facets of health initially come from
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for you?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think it's just been a perfect match of different
parts of my life that have led me here. So
I can talk about the sports background and then and
the business side of things from a healthcare perspective of
how have those two worlds collided? And then there's been
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some serendipitous opportunities in good timing frankly as well. But
my background is had the chance to grow up playing
multiple sports. You know, first grew up in Seattle, which
I consider running country, so cross country track it was
my first love from a sports perspective, and then making
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some moves around the country parents were in the military,
and moved to Kansas, fell in love with basketball, kept
doing cross country and track, and then made a move
to Alabama and was doing cross country track, basketball and
then football entered my life, and I kept adding more
and more sports. Where a lot of people at that
age started to specialize, I was expanding what I was doing.
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My first story is I was asked to join the
football team. My best friend was the number one recruit
in the country offensive lineman, Wesley Britt, and he said,
you got to come play, it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And I was about this size.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Then I was a lot skinnier, so I was six
or five, about one hundred and ninety pounds. I was
running cross country and that was my first love. And
football coach said, hey, why don't you come play? And
said it's during cross country season, and he said, we've
got it all figured out, right, And so I would
wake up in five am cross country practice. I would
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go to left weights during the second period, and then
you know, three point thirty football practice Friday night, you know,
football under the light, Saturday morning cross country meets. And
that first multi sport, two sports in one season, if
you will endeavor, forced me to first have to dial
into my body and learn how to rest, recover, and repeat.
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I was young and unknowledgeable, but I knew that there
were certain things that were going to help me perform better,
being stronger, being faster, Just getting in the weight room
wasn't going to be enough, so I had to figure
out that rest, recover, and repeat. That, in addition to
the discipline at that age, forced me to start to
understand learn more about my body. Fortunately, had a couple
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of good years of football and basketball and track and
cross country in high school and signed a scholarship to
play football at Auburn University, and that, of course was
a wonderful experience in its own major college football program,
And then afterwards had the chance to go on and
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had a decent enough college career to sign a contract
and play NFL football, and that was a whole other
world of its own, more of a business and just
a great learning experience. But leading into all that, I
was always dialing on my body and just trying to
figure out what can help me rest, recover and repeat.
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Also had a passion for school and for education, so
before I even made it to the Titans, had already
started pursuing my MBA graduated after by the time I
was done playing football with three different masters degrees NBA,
Masters of Finance, Masters of Telecommunications as well, and decided
to embark in the business world, and I think life
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is a lot about timing. Our first healthcare endeavor was
a very successful one. We launched a national network of
spine surgery centers, first of its kind, first to market
direct consumer, opted out of insurance charge cash, built out
a great marketing model. But more importantly, we built this
incredible platform to change healthcare in the form of spine surgeries.
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And that just gave me, just at a young age,
the chance to say, you know, wow, there's a bigger
passion here than just playing sports. Can change lives by
meeting unmet needs in healthcare. So that set me on
this career trajectory to say, what are those things that
are out there? There are massively unmet needs where there's
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opportunities right in front of us to leverage to do
something special for patients.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So when you.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Think about that, plus then this world of sports, and
I did have a second sports career, if you will,
after football while we were running our first business endeavor,
I was able to continue to pursue sports, was traveling
the world doing triathlons, performing at a high level, stumbled
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in the CrossFit that was a nice hobby, and then
found the sport of rowing. And this part, this chapter
of my life is what leads back to the question
that you had just asked, And that question was how
did I get here? And you know, was it serendipitous
or how did I make that decision? Well, at thirty
five years old, I decided to try to make a
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run at the Olympics and try to make the US
rowing team.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And it was a sport I had never done.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
First time I sat in the boat, I fell in
the water and just thinking, how can anybody do this?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I had to figure out how to rest, recover and
repeat at a whole new level. I believe that the
sport of rowing is possibly the single most difficult, the
most demanding difficult sport, because it takes skill, it takes endurance,
it takes strength, it takes a lot of time. And
the only way you can make up with make up
for that lack of time and experience is just by
(34:23):
gaining experience.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Through lots and lots of hard work.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
So that endeavor at thirty five years old, married with
some success in health care, saying how do you learn
how to rest, recover and repeat and how do you
solve real problems for people? Just create this AHA moment
for me, and so I said, I want to spend
the next ten plus years of my life helping people
live longer, healthier, happier lives by bringing front and center
(34:49):
the things that worked for me, not just from a
sports perspective, but from a business perspective and from a
health care perspective. So it's been this journey. It wasn't
just sit down rine a business plan and go and
do something. It's been more like the stars have aligned
and the world and God have led me to want
to focus on something that I think is much bigger
(35:12):
than me, that the world really needs. And then I
think you marry that with timing and where people are now.
Peter Atia did a great job of simplifying it and
calling it healthcare three point zero, and I think that
mixed with people's understanding of their body now post pandemic,
has just created this wonderful opportunity and great timing for
(35:35):
us to launch something special that can be highly beneficial
for people.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, I completely agree. I love your personal tie in
with that, and it sounds like you are kind of
a product of the product, if you will that way.
You're someone who has kind of walked this walk, seen
the effects and the benefits of kind of a more
optimal approach to healthcare and lifestyle management. If you will,
you know, obviously you take the benefits that you to
(36:00):
now you're able to share that with others that way,
and I think that's really powerful stuff when someone kind
of walks the walk themselves, if you will that way.
And I think the other piece too that I want
to highlight is you had this desire, as you said,
you had this desire to continue to compete, but that
desire kind of came from being knocked down a little
bit with your rowing incident there, we'll call it. And
(36:23):
I think that that's something a lot of times people
kind of find out when it's just a little sometimes
not too late per se, but later than we might
want it to be. So, for example, a lot of
times when I'm working with athletes, especially after major injuries,
take the ACL for example, they go, yeah, you know,
everyone told me I should have been training more, I
(36:43):
should have been sleeping better. You know, I should have
actually taken care of my body. But you know, now
that I'm injured and I've had surgery, now I'm going
to do that. And it's like, you know, it kind
of became this situation where it was a little too little,
too late for us to prevent something catastrophic from happening.
We can still recover from it and come back, but
you know, it's also the point where I think the
(37:05):
more we kind of stop pause, listen to individuals such
as yourself who have kind of gone through this, learn
from your own experiences and say, hey, look, you know,
I haven't you know, had any incidents or anything like
that from the rowing team so far. I haven't had
any major injuries knock on wood, But you know, I
need to make sure that I'm taking all of my
(37:26):
own health care needs and putting them as like a
foundational forefront in my life as opposed to, well, I
haven't had them, I can just brush them off until
it's an issue. You know, at the end of the day,
the famous quote an ounce of prevention is worth a
pound of cure holds true. And the more proactive we
can be about this whole process, you know, the more
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we can pursue that desire to again, rest or cover,
repeat at a higher level and continue to do that.
You know, I can't help but wonder how many athletes
and how many active individuals and even entrepreneurs are going
to be able to function at levels that they've never
even thought of if we can get them to understand
the importance of optimizing their overall health and longevity now
(38:09):
before anything major happens again. You know, it's not to
say that we can't turn time back a little bit.
You know, I think there's a whole different conversation we
could have about anti aging and you know, carrying different
diseases and so on that way. But ultimately, if you
can prevent them from occurring in the first place, you're
probably going to be in a much better spot.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, And I think, you know, it's important to think
about the adoption side of this, And so it's I
believe in life, you know, we all have twenty four
hours in a day, and in life you have to
be able to establish goals in what's important to you.
Some things have to be on autopilot, and some things
have to be intentional until you get them on autopilot
(38:52):
and develop that habit. And I believe that's important to
not have it feel like embarking on a health care
journey is just another responsibility, right, It should become just
a way of life. What are those things that you're
doing to take care of your body? How are you
being intentional about it because you want to, because it's
important to you, because something that you value. And that's
(39:13):
why I thing is foundational here is there's a mindset
shift that is first important, and then when you do that,
you just develop good healthy habits. The large majority of
longevity can be accomplished through lifestyle. As I say, rest,
recovery and repeat. Are you sleeping right in your recovery?
(39:35):
Are you eating the right things? Are you doing the
right things for your body? Or are you abusing your body?
And there's a difference. And you can see those people
that have taken pride in themselves and have taken pride
and their own health. And you think about that, when
people take pride in their own health, you don't think
that they went to a doctor all the time. You
think they ate right, they slept right, they exercise, they
(39:57):
knew how to take care of the body, they knew
how to rest.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And that's almost like the blue zone.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Mentality where most of those people that are living these long,
healthy lives who get into their nineties and beyond, weren't
consistently in and out the doctor's office, trying to be proactive.
They were just proactive because it was just an important
part of life from you know, from from that perspective.
So I think that part's very important you talk about
(40:23):
the side of injury. I've I've had three ACL tears myself,
and I wish I had done certain things to prevent them.
Don't don't know if I could have, But that part
of it taught me a lot as well, just about
the whole rest, recover and repeat. I actually use that
as an indicator for how is my body operating. All
(40:45):
three ACL tears were in the left knee, fully recovered,
went on and you know, made it run at the
Olympics with that knee ran a very fast forty time,
you know, post college career leading into the NFL draft
with having had two aclitaires. So there's definitely the way
to rest and recover and to just learn how to
(41:07):
rehab and care about your body. But I use that
injury as a way to know if my body's working well,
because if I've got some aches and pains, my inflammatory
markers are probably through the roof. If the outside of
my knee is hurting and my it band gets inflamed.
I'm probably overtraining and my knees telling me that if
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I have incredible knee pain when I'm doing squats, I'm
not taking.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Care of myself. So that's good. That actually serves.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
As a way for me to see if I'm doing
the right things. If I wake up with knee pain,
I probably didn't sleep well, I probably didn't eat well.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
What's going on with my body?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
I need to learn to put myself in check from
that perspective as well. So I think people should be
thinking about those cues, and they should be thinking about
their health far different than their health care journey. And
I believe that the idea of longevity is to first
think about your health health and then to adopt the
healthy habits, and then to gain the information about yourself
(42:05):
to embark then on that healthcare portion of the health journey.
The things that we can do to be helpful for
you to live that longer, healthier, happier life.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I love that analogy in relation to your knee as well.
It almost becomes like your internal check engine light, if
you will. Yeah, And I think that everyone has those
little signs or warning lights going off day in and
day out. You know, for example, a couple of days ago,
I woke up with a terrible headache. Well, if you
pulled up my garment score from the day it said
(42:36):
no sleep recorded the night before, I wonder why. But
a lot of people, you know, they would look at
that and they would say, oh, well, you know, it's
a headache. You know I need to go X, Y
and Z, go about my day, YadA, YadA, YadA. And
I think a lot of times we hear the symptom,
we hear a body talking to us, but we don't
ever go in and actually look at the diagnostic of it. Hey,
(42:58):
what does this mean? What is this trying to tell me?
And what can I do to make sure this doesn't
happen again in the future that way, And it sounds
like that's exactly what you're doing for your knee.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
It's a matter of, hey, how can we get everyone
to understand what their body is trying to tell them
on the day to day, what it means, and what
to do about it that way? And I think that's where, again,
going back to your overall mission, I think the education
piece is so essential as well, because it's not just
necessarily telling people what to do it's also getting them
(43:29):
involved in the process, getting them to understand why things
are being done, and getting them to learn a little
bit more about their body so that when things do
start to act up, or when things do occasionally you know,
give you that like bad day, if you will, because
everyone's going to have one every now and then. Unfortunately,
you know what to do about it and you know
(43:49):
how to proceed accordingly.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
It's interesting at the end of this conversation when we're
talking about the body evolving, and it's it's interesting because
there are so many that are more of primal nature
than we probably even realize. But what's happened is over time,
we as humans have created an environment that does not
allow us to really tap into those natural evolutionary things
(44:16):
that were given to us by God and to say,
you know, how does your body rest and recover? How
does your body experience discomfort from a healthy perspective, how
does your body intermittent fast? How does your body get
access to certain foods at certain times of year? And
this harmonious world was created for us to be able
(44:38):
to go through these ebbs and flows. Right there was
a time where you only were able to access things
that were tigh in sugar at a certain period of time.
There was times of year where it was cold. There
was times of year where it's very hot and you
didn't have the opportunity to go and seek that comfort. Now,
(44:59):
it doesn't mean that all these things that we created
are bad. They're very, very good. But because we have
created this environment where we do have access to comfort,
we have access to food when we want it, we
have access to healthcare when we want it. Now we're
living these longer lives. But because we have those things
(45:19):
and it served as a catalyst for the world to grow,
for us to advance technologies, for us to grow the world,
for us to learn more, and for us to create
a much more sophisticated civilization. That said, we have to
be able to pay attention that there are certain things
that we are born with. There is still good and
they're still very natural. Intermittent fasting, eating the right things,
(45:41):
don't have access to sugar every day of the year,
eat high fat, high protein diets at certain times a year,
exercise and do so frequently and consistently, and do so
in a manner that isn't just having to go to
the gym, but that's built into your lifestyle. Like you
think about these blue zones, and each one of them
had their own little.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Nuance, right.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
You have over in Sardinia, they you know, the grocery
stores up on the top of the hill, right, and
they're walking to the top of the hill every day.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
And so because that they're walking and running hills.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
You think about in the Japanese culture, there was the
as they're sitting on the ground and they're standing up
and down every day, they're doing one hundred and one
hundred and fifty air squads every single day because that's
just what's built into their life. So we have to
build those things into our life to continue to I think,
to pursue that that longevity journey. But I got to
(46:33):
that because I think it's just important again to focus
on the fact that our lifestyle and our lifestyle alone
can be one that gets us far in our longevity journey.
And then you couple that with knowledge and information about
yourself that they certainly didn't have access to many many
years ago that allows you to then understand what are
(46:55):
the things you can do to live this longer, healthier,
happier life that may have been caused because we live
in this world of comfort, and that's okay because that
allows us to advance who we are as humans. But now,
where are those things that we're going to do to
counteract those things that may be counterintuitive to our health
(47:15):
to help us live that longer, healthier, happier life.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I love that. It's about how do we adopt and
evolve our lifestyle more than just kind of like forcing
the same little things into our life that way, And
you know, to use a more robust example of that,
I mean, to your point, I think a lot of
people think they have to go to the gym for
three hours a day in order to be healthy, but
as you mentioned in relation to the blue zones, that's
not always the case. It's just a matter of how
(47:40):
do you evolve and adapt your lifestyle to what your
body actually needs. And I think that the more we
do that collectively as a healthcare space, the better off
everyone is going to be. And I realize, you know,
as we've been talking about this, this is something that
you're very passionate about. I'm very passionate about, and we
could certainly all day long about it that way and
(48:02):
still really just scratch the surface. Is there anything that
we missed as we were chatting about all the incredible
work you and the team at agentis are doing and
kind of the overall state of health at this point.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
That way, yeah, I woant to say missed.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
I think it's just important to reinforce that what we're
trying to create at Agentice is not our objective to
promote the business of agentives. It is to be an
advocate for the longevity healthcare world and to help live
those longer, healthier, happier lives. But to make sense of
(48:37):
what that means, There's lots of different rabbit holes that
you can run down. Most of them are quite good,
but we, I think, as healthcare consumers, are often left
to be relatively confused. I even now think about You've
got so many different tools at your fingertip and they
(48:58):
all sound cool, but we only have twenty four hours
in a day, and how are you budgeting your time
to focus on your health while you're still doing the
other things in life that are important. And because of that,
somebody has to make sense.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Of the healthcare journey.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Someone has to procure the best in class upfront diagnostics
to help you gain access to information.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Somebody has to procure.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
The best healthcare modalities that make the most sense specifically
for you, and help those be accessible and affordable, give
you access to those things, and help then measure what's
the benefit of those So that's ultimately our mission is to,
through our best in class partnerships with best in class physicians, scientists,
(49:42):
healthcare providers and business operators, share those best practices to
expand our services to help patients embark on a journey
that's accessible, affordable, and make sense so they can go
on to live their longer, healthier, happier life.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I love that. I love that mission, Jimmy. For people
who want to find out more about the work that
you and the team Metagentists are doing, where can they
find you At sure.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
So agentislongevity dot com. You can that's our website reach
out to me directly. I'd look forward to the chance
to connect with people. My cell phone numbers two seven
zero three six six three six nine to nine.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Find me on LinkedIn also.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
But I really enjoy the opportunity to collaborate and learn
from one another. I think that if you surround yourself
with growth oriented, growth minded people, you can create something
special in the world. So I invite the opportunity to
have conversations with anybody who may be interested to talk.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
About this or anything.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
I love the opportunity to get to know new people,
especially those that are sharing similar passions.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
I love that. Jimmy, You're an incredible individual and I'm
so glad we had the opportunity to have this conversation.
We'll link to all of that in the description below
as well. That way, if it didn't quite catch it,
you can just click there. Jimmy, this is incredible. Love
the work you've been doing. Thank you for everything
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Great, Thanks so much for having me on and appreciate it,
and congratslate your success as well.
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