Are The Detroit Tigers COOKED?! | Lions vs Browns |The Braylon Edwards Show | September 24th, 2025

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The emotion is running high and hot. Hi everybody, Welcome
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Speaker 5 (01:00):
Create a stir hey sound out. Freddy Prince Jr.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Kool Aid.

Speaker 6 (01:08):
He's been calling me all kinds of beat rabbit, all
that stuff, and here's.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
The other and Ryan is here with a much better
shirt than he had.

Speaker 7 (01:15):
He's a Hall of Fame t shirt.

Speaker 8 (01:20):
Got a chance to visit there right before he got inducted,
so back in the day, I had to cop it
and I like it.

Speaker 7 (01:25):
You loved the Hall of Fame, by the.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Way, dude, you found it and it's clean.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
So I was sick, really good.

Speaker 8 (01:31):
I was sick this past weekend, so my laundry was
like a last second thing.

Speaker 7 (01:37):
So I didn't really do it. And uh, but then
I got it. But it's clean.

Speaker 8 (01:41):
I found it last night. I was like, I'm gonna
make Schep happy. I'm gonna wear it today, and here
we go.

Speaker 6 (01:46):
I think we can all blame Justin forgetting the whole networks.

Speaker 7 (01:50):
Yeah, Justin Justin gave it to you. You gave it
to me, and I hope that's the end of it.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, I do too. I want nothing to do with this,
so please stay away, no offense.

Speaker 6 (01:59):
You've made the trip down to Canon before, right, Oh yeah,
I love the football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
So this this is a really good question. How many
holes of fame have you been to?

Speaker 7 (02:10):
The rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Rock and roll
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
No, somebody's got to explain to me how some bands
our rock and roll are in and how some bands
that are really good rock and roll aren't.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
How about we explain how the hell the Hard Rock
Hall of Fame is in the Mistake by the Lake.
This is Detroit Rock City, so it should be in.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Detroit, thank you, but sorry. Right in fairness to Cleveland,
they had the foresight to to think about it. Why
don't we do that?

Speaker 6 (02:44):
Well, we have the Motown Hall of Fame Motown.

Speaker 9 (02:47):
Yeah, Hitsville, USA, shout out.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Okay, I agree with you. Look when when a band
saves its career kiss and they do a live album
in Detroit and call it Detroit Rock City, you know,
damn well, this is it. You know when Bob Seeger
was it seventy one Silver Bullet. I know it's a
long time ago live album, And says I was reading

(03:14):
Rolling Stone magazine last night where they say Detroit audiences
are the greatest rock and roll audiences in the world.
Everyone cheers, and he says, I thought to myself, shit,
I know him that for ten years we used to
be we may not be anymore. Used to be the
best rock and roll town in America.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
And the best fan base in America.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
And I don't know if that's true anymore. So you've
been to all four? That's really cool.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Kool aid?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
How many have you been to You've only been to
Springfield and.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Long Springfield most hands on Hall of Fame.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
There is Ryan only football.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Okay, I've been to all of them. Rank them for me.
Cooper's Town number one, Amen, thank you. I'm going to
dance a jig right now.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
Wait to go far above all the others. The entire
town is like you went back into the fifties. It's
ice cream shop, baseball card shop, and shop baseball card shop,
and then there's fields there, you know, and everybody there
is just in this old school, throwback America, good mood.

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And obviously I'm going to put Springfield number two because
I'm a basketball guy. It's hard to put it over Canton.
I think the one thing that Springfield, the NBA or
the Basketball Hall of Fame has over can is the
interactive aspect, like there's so much that you can do.
Kids are going to have more fun there.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well, the hockey too.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
The hockey's in a mall. The Hockey Hall of Fame
is in a mall. Shop. Yeah, that's number four for me.
Very cool stuff in there though.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Still Yeah, I would swap NFL in it and NBA
it's basketball Basketball Hall of Fame. I would swap NFL is. Now.
We can debate all we want about who's in there
and who doesn't belong in there. Sure, but I Canton
is phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
It is.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
It really is awesome too.

Speaker 8 (04:58):
To answer your question, Chef, about what it's in Cleveland.
So my dad and I were saying the same thing
you guys are saying, like why Cleveland. But there's a
plaque outside that said some radio host of some radio
station coin the term rock and roll. So it just
happens to be in Cleveland, and that's what it was.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, credit to him. I mean I have I used
to try and fight that battle and be pistol. There's
no sense of being pissed off. There's absolutely good and
by the way, they do a really good job. I'm
not gonna fight on. And here's here's the reason, now
you're making any tests. The reason I'm not gonna fight
on is because our city doesn't do enough about it, okay,
fair and our teams don't do enough about it.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Fair.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
So you want to be mad at somebody, that's fine.
Be mad at Chris Silitch all you want be mad
at in the past time Gore is all you want,
Be mad at the Fords all you want. Why aren't
you mad about what this city has to offer from
a fan base and from a sports historical standpoint, and
not doing a damn thing about it.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
You're not called all the sport owners of Detroit cheap.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
No I'm not. I'm sure I'm calling the city, the
sports teams and the leadership of the city without foresight.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
Now see that that's what I'm saying. I'll agree with that.
I've been hearing you have this debate passionately lately about
the ownership here. You're taking a different spin on it
because the foresight of the guys in Cleveland a to
coin the term rock and roll, but then be years
later for them to say, hey, let's put this here
and give people a reason attention here. And honestly, it's

(06:36):
only been what since the Super Bowl that it clicked
maybe we should bring stuff to DT.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Gee you think for twenty years? Answer me this, how
many halls of fame have you been here in Detroit?

Speaker 10 (06:48):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (06:49):
The Motown's not a that's just a museum.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
But have you been there?

Speaker 8 (06:52):
I have been there.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Get back on track. How many Halls of Fame have
you been in Detroit?

Speaker 6 (06:59):
In Michigan?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Zero.

Speaker 9 (07:02):
I've been to the Michigan Hall of Fame event. We
went there last year.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
You are, you're doing what you're doing a wonderful job
of exactly my point. Where is it? Do you know
where it is?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (07:22):
You job there? Kidnapped blackfold?

Speaker 9 (07:27):
No, no, no, no, the event was at.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
All right, we need you're a Detroiter. We're all Detroiters,
whether we were born there or not. We consider ourselves
Detroiters and we go out of town. That's what we say.
Where the blank is the Detroit sports pride?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know?

Speaker 4 (07:52):
And and I swear if you just say the banners
at Ford Field, I'm gonna punch you in the kidney. Okay,
if you say it's the banner at Little Caesars Arena,
I'm gonna grab your nose hairs and pull them out.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
Johnson's fifteen in the rafters.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Oh, where is it? Shout out, microwave that there, there is,
there's nowhere to be found. It's a but it's the
shame on us because we find I'm gonna blame myself too,
even though I've been saying it for twenty years. We
find different things to talk about. We have so much
to offer to people who are sports fans, whether they're

(08:29):
from here or not. So much to offer, and we
don't showcase a god blessed thing. Okay, we have so
many different major championships at golf courses we have and
I don't mean just you know, I'm not talking about
the rocket here, which I like a lot, but we
have a lot of things. We have a Grand Prix

(08:49):
we do we have All Star Games, we have Super Bowls,
we have Final Fours, we have Frozen Fours. All those
things we do really well. And I was thinking about this.
It was really highlighted to me. I don't know why
we're talking about this. I got off on a tangent.
I apologize. It highlighted me when during the NFL Draft,

(09:10):
these people coming from all over the place. Where are
they going? I want to make an impression on people
about our city. And I don't mean just the Shinola Hotel.
I want to know Okay or Grayson downtown. I'm not
giving anybody a shout out right now. I want to
know what the hell, why the hell we don't have

(09:31):
anything for people who come in from out of town
in a big series or the NFL Draft, and there's
no place for them to go other than the obvious.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
You got your little two downtown Detroit, and if you're
from out of town, you don't know about Belle Isle,
the largest city park in the country. You're not driving
up to beautiful Birmingham and beautiful Royal Oak. Because as
much as they're great little cities, little town large towns,
we know that as we live here, we do a

(10:01):
piss poor job of letting people know. Nobody's riding the
Q line North, nobody's hopping on the people Mover to
do anything going. People don't even know about the Eastern market,
So we do do a very bad job of nationally
off it is people here. If you're a Detroit and
you know all the c little things.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
I get so tired of hearing and look born, I'm
raised here. Okay, raise my kids with all that. For
a good reason. I didn't leave this market for a
good reason. I left it big. I stayed here because
I want my kids born and raised here. They're all
Detroit sports fans, we all are. I get so tired
of hearing about you know, we got the greatest sports
fans in the world. Really, these sports fans should be

(10:41):
demanding more downtown that's associated with some type of ode
to the greatness of sports players and or teams that
we've had here. And none of the owners are willing
to combine forces and do it. And that's so you
can bitch about Chris Hill. It's not spending certain kinds

(11:03):
of money on certain things. But I'm mad at the
owners in general because they haven't given what I think
this city deserves and is needed forever. It's never happened.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
And it's even deeper than that, because when they all
came together to do the arenas downtown, there was a
commitment and promise made to develop all of the surrounding area,
which they have failed to do. Meanwhile, local developers, guys
that clawed their way up through doing rehabs in Detroit

(11:37):
and buying little commercial properties and finally getting to that level,
were brought into this deal and they are the ones
that have broken their backs and their bank rolls in
order to develop the surrounding areas. Because when you go
and you come in and you go to LCA, like
you said, what the hell are you going to do?

Speaker 5 (11:54):
After you leave the building.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
They're making money off it. You're not making out that
the same.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
Thing they're making money. So here's what we fished while
they've left us in the lurch waiting for the development
to match their multi multimillion dollar grossing annually grossing stadiums.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Here's what I would say to anybody who owns those
buildings downtown and maybe has some possibilities where it's there's
nobody in it, there's no business. Donate the building. I
know that's a lot. Donate the building, and I've got blueprints.
I've got somebody who's ready to go to work on
something that will make the entire city proud. Call email me,

(12:34):
tell me what you got, let me have it, and
we will build something internally inside that building that'll make
this entire city super proud.

Speaker 9 (12:44):
And I agree with a lot of the sentiments, with
some of the sentiments, but I will say this, My
wife is not from here when she first moved here,
versus what the city is now.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
There is so much more that she does enjoy about
the city.

Speaker 9 (12:56):
Do I believe the city does a horrible job at
probably getting that out there. Because the cast area is beautiful.
We love to go down to that Wayne Stair area.
There's different restaurants, different parks that they've built up in
the areas where we could take the kids. Even when
I go down for the Pistons stuff, there is stuff
to do in that area, and I do see it
as active.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
It's out on the random set.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Nobody said. Nobody said there wasn't anything to do. Yeah,
that was not the crux of the argument. The crux
of the argument is the based on this city's pride
and passion for sports and the historical significance that's associated
with these teams, that there is nothing there to trumpet

(13:37):
what their accomplishments have been. If you don't know, and
you don't know, and he doesn't know, you two guys
don't know anything about the nineteen eighty four Detroit Tigers.
You don't know anything about the sixty eight, thirty five
or forty five Unless you go to damn Duck Duck
go or Google, you don't know anything about it. Yeah, Okay,
you may know Alan Trammell was the MVP of the
series and that they won. That's about it, all right.

(14:00):
You didn't know that. Mickey loj on two days rest
Pitch Game seven and beat Bob Gibson, all them complete
games he grew up.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
Never happened the first house my dad ever saw.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
But people don't necessarily know all that stuff. Where is
the ode to that besides a high school looking concourse
at Comerica.

Speaker 9 (14:20):
Part And that's that's why I was I was saying
the passion of the fans. I think that they've gotten
a little bit down trodden because I feel like the
statues that we do have is because they argued and yelled.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
For years why don't we have baseball statues? And then
you see they put a.

Speaker 9 (14:35):
Few, a few little things with some little plaques of
history over at LCA, But it's still not enough. They've
yelled for years for an Isaiah statue. They've they've yelled
for years to have more of this stuff. And this
is where I do appreciate where Shep is placing this thing,
because I would like for the owners to do a
whole lot more, to dive so much deep into this culture.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
That's where Shep is spot on.

Speaker 9 (14:59):
This Detroit sports culture was so deep and rich, and
there are people who don't there's people who already don't
remember and don't really know and have no connection to
the O four bustans, which.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Seems yeah, I agree, the statues whatever, Okay, I don't
need a statue outside LCA of Isaiah I don't. I mean,
Steve Eisaman should be there before Isaiah Thomas. All right.
My point is you you have the opportunity to go
to a building and that reeks of Detroit sports history,

(15:31):
and there's nothing there, so there's a chance for you
to go in there and see. And I'm not talking
about just Detroit. I'm talking about the great high school
players who have been here, the Detroit Southwestern. I'm talking
about the Roger Penske influenced motor part. We're supposed to
be the motor city, like okay, and we're supposed to

(15:51):
be the sports city and all this other thing. This
is all we have. I've argued it for twenty years, okay,
So I'm as guilty as anyway. I've argued this is
the best sportstown and all this other stuff. Then give
the sports town what it deserves. And we don't do it.
And but here's what we'll do. People will be in
the chat. Thank you, Sheila for a team that's now
two and one and one fifteen to two lafty what

(16:13):
And I'm sitting here asking for something completely other than that.
I'm asking something for you, for you as a fan,
and for people to brag about this city. It has
nothing to do with the on field play. It has
everything to do with the feel and the heritage of
what Detroit is all about.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
Well, you're gonna lot of love in the chat right now. Shop.
The Sila Hampford thing is more of the fact that
this is the first time that we've seen a team
that's good here become embraced nationally. And I don't know
whether that's just because of the play on the field
or because of the personalities that we got, but there
there is some love for this new direction that the

(16:51):
Lions have. Shout out to Kevin Hill in the chat
Us Ski and Snowboarding Hall of Fame is in Ishpamine, Michigan.
I did not know that, but.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Nor did I thank you for the education.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Because nobody talks about it, and you hit the nail
on the head.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
We're not talking about stuff in the hematites. Maybe if
they win a state championship.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
We don't have much here, and the little bit that
we do have, we just don't let people know well
enough period.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Every just about every downtown I've ever been to has restaurants.
They have good bars, they have good restaurants. I'm trying
to talk about a destination site that where you get
somebody from out of town and what used to be
the lindel Ac And if people don't remember that, that's
where old umpires went, That's where all the players went.

(17:40):
They served burgers. Terry Foster worked there as a kid.
It's a long time ago. They had beer, they had coke.
It was a Saturday night live skit, you know, cheapberger, cheaper,
no coke, PEPSI Right, that's what it was. Gone. That's fine.
What else where else can people go to look at

(18:02):
the heritage of supposedly this great sports city and we
never really talk about it. People don't talk about it
because we're caught up in seasons, teams and their seasons.
And I get it to a certain extent. It's just
something that has been passionate of mine. Frustrated and because
I used to work at a lowly am station on
Detroit's fan WDFN, nobody listened and nobody knew. So unless

(18:27):
we have a stronger voice and a more collective voice
to get something done, then it's not going to get done,
and I wish it was. I use this example in
Saint Louis beautiful Cardinals Hall of Fame awesome. If you
ever go to Saint Louis, go to it. It's like
fifteen bucks to get in. That's it wouldn't cost a

(18:48):
lot of money. Think of all those and you will
be namor you'll go around. You'll spend at least half
a day there. If you love baseball or if you
just love heritage sports area, it's awesome. We have nothing
close to that.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
Maybe my favorite hall of Fame I've been to is
the Pinball Hall of Fame in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
We certainly don't have that here. But when you think
about Detroit, it's pretty awesome shop. I'm not gonna lie
when you look at Detroit. When we got the Super
Bowl twenty years ago, now, that was the first time
in a long long time we had gotten anything here,
and it was the first time anybody got a chance
to look at the new Look. And I know it

(19:29):
was smoking mirrors back in six but we provided a
safe country mile down there in the downtown that everybody
had a good time, and people rented buildings out whole floors,
put in a club for a weekend, and then it
was vacant again. Yeah, but in those last twenty years,
this has become a viable town. Obviously, we got the Draft,
we've gotten some Final fours and things like that. But
it's just in those twenty years that we as Detroiters

(19:52):
feel like we might now deserve these things which we
never felt we deserve. But in those twenty years, our
teams have mostly sucked.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Shouldn't matter, well, but it.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
Does, and and and it shouldn't but it doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Why does Indiana have the and the the football the
College Football Hall of Fame or the NC Double A And.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
Again, I think that the leadership in those cities have
been better than what we had in Detroit up until we.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Have we have we have the capability of great we
do now, Okay, and it needs to. So there's a
guy who used to work for it is no longer involved,
but I know he's part of the Detroit Sports commission Board.
Tom Wilson's a brilliant business dude. Okay. Tom Wilson was
a big reason why the Pistons were successful and the
pass and and he's a huge reason why LCA was built. Okay,

(20:41):
this is something that if you talk to him, if
you got with him, if you had a serious conversation,
he could put you in the right direction. Owners have
to be part of this. Here's why. In order for
you to get all the paraphernalia, the sports paraphernalia in
all the different rooms that I've envisioned, on every single
level that I've envisioned, in order to do that, you

(21:02):
need their stuff. It can't sit dormant in the Fox
Theater in the basement. You need that. You need al
Caline's glove. You need a championship trophy, you need a
jersey framed, you need a signed baseball, you need some
type of helmet that might be.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
So.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
You need all that.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
The Detroit Sports Hall of Fame needs to happen.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Show yes, all that. I appreciate you giving me some
leeway there. Sorry, I did not expect to go that round.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
You know, It's something that I've thought long and hard
about for a really long time.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
It's clear.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah, well, yeah, I appreciate it. It's but it's as
it should be. A slam dunk, Okay, it should be.
And I get businesses trying to make money, so they're
gonna they're gonna have buildings and they were going to
but you need somebody who did what Catholic Central did.
Catholic Central moved from Redford to Nova and when they
went to Nova, the people who own that property Caloc

(22:02):
Central said okay, we want that property. The said, okay,
here's how much. They said, no, we want you to
donate it. And they donated it because it was for
the better good, okay, And it's beautiful property out there
in Nova if you've never seen it. That's what somebody
has to be willing to do. And there's probably only
one person who could do that. It's Dan Gilbert and
he's incredibly giving, incredibly giving. But I would love to

(22:26):
see them donate a building and us go to work
on what we could give. The ideas are flown like
they've flowed for I've got them all written down twenty
for twenty years. What should happen here? I wish we
could do something like that. I wish Chad Johnson could
be part of that. I mean, big movers and shakers
could make something like that happen. Maybe Anson could do

(22:47):
that because he's a big wig. Two join us in
the chat. This is awesome stuff. We really appreciate it.
We love all the things that you're bringing to the
proverbial table. So we will get into that. We will
dive into some Lions discussion, some ownership discussion, especially the
owners when we come back, because Anson's pretty passionate about that.
A little bit later on. Definitely some talk about the

(23:09):
Detroit Tigers specifics, not just oh, you know, this team
isn't very good, maybe they fooled us. Can we get
into specific reasons why they've dropped seven straight, ten of
eleven and now are in a tie for first place
in their division. We will do that here on the
Brailen Edwards Show with Anson here on Woodward Sports when

(23:32):
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Speaker 6 (28:54):
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Speaker 7 (28:56):
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Speaker 4 (28:57):
Shaker Heights, I believe is where he is anyway. A
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kudos to him. I'm glad to have Anson in here.
All right. We were talking a little bit about the ownerships, yes, sir,
in this city, and I think there is a bad
rap on Detroit's ownerships and a lot of things that

(29:18):
we may not know about these Detroit owners. You feel
what about Detroit's ownership collectively? I mean as a group.

Speaker 12 (29:25):
Me.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
Yeah, I'm not that pleased right now. I'm a lot
happier with the general management of these teams currently in
terms of the ownership.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
How do you decipher the difference between the two.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Well, I mean, I think that the Lions get it now.
I think that ever since Sheila took control and got
Chris Spielman and got into a room and said, tired
of having businessmen run this franchise, tired of just taking money.
This fan base loves this team and they deserve a
good product. So they went with a former player Chris

(30:02):
Spielman got the right hires in here and now we're
seeing a team.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Well, Dan Campbell is already here, but.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
The management in terms of Brad, what Brad is doing
is a long term approach where he's drafting excellent and
he's committed to the players that he's developing, and the
moment that he perceives a window, he's not all throwing
it into the trade basket for that one year run.
He's trying to build this with longevity. I feel that
Trajan is following the footsteps of Troy Weaver, who made

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some mistakes but also set him up for a great
for a great offseason, had a lot of money, not
many contracts, and the guys that were here were good,
foundational young pieces. And what they have done on the
back of Tom Gorris finally showing me something as an
owner and paying to get rid of the guy he
insisted in bringing in in Monty Williams, who was the

(30:54):
wrong fit, a guy that the general manager didn't even want.
That was a mistake. He paid for that mistake. That's
the first time I've ever seen Tom Gors do anything
that I approve of whatsover.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Well he but in fairness to Tom gores A, he
was willing to spend the money to get the guy
in the first place. Wrong guy, I don't disagree with that,
but at least he was willing to spend spend the
money because a lot of people don't feel like Detroit
owners spend money. He spent more money than anybody else's
way into that, okay, but he also took himself out
of it. He also paid him off.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
Yep, it's the first thing I'll tip my hat to. Yeah,
they're on the right course. But before then, the owners
that that built the bunker suites in the in the Palace,
right after we had traded our main guy, Chauncey billups
for mister Greek Town Allen Iverson and drives up everybody's
price of tickets for a bad product. And next thing

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you know, they go down to a building that barely
wants him there. You go into LCA, you don't see
any Pistons regalia at all, and well, that has nothing
to do well, but for me it does. You know,
it took me to to a Pistons game. We all
see a four or five years.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
But we've had this conversation and you're wrong no, I'm
not wrong.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
You are wrong, because come on, help me out to me.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
And I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm to say
there's no Pistons's.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
There's seven and a half to two. It's ridiculous. Seven
and a half red wings posters to two and a
half lions, maybe.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Eight to two pistons. You mean not sorry, okay, And
so I have an issue with all due respect to
the pistons. They're a tenant in the building, okay, of course.
So that's like us saying, wait a minute, we've got
a small studio. Why does Lady Jeans get all the.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Dots on Gore? Come on, if you're gonna take that deal,
I want equal representation. I didn't move, he didn't have
a le palace, he didn't have lever palace.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
He didn't have to leave.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
He wasn't getting any he wasn't getting any concerts at
the palace. We know the reason they went down that
they went down there because of three one three percent.
But for you to say there's no pistons on Beyonce
or no pistons things to be represented is bull crap.
kN let me walk more than there's more than that.

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There's more than that.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
It's four to one down there, it is four.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Times so you want you want it even even though
one team built it. Is that what you're telling me?

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Absolutely? Because I know Gors still put his money in.
I said, I know Gors. I mean way that things
still have been built the way it was if they
didn't have the promise from the Pistons of joining them.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
There playoff series.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
That has nothing, that has nothing to do with it,
and I don't. And by the way, no, yes it
would have been built that way because it was added
on afterwards, so yes, it would have been built that way.

Speaker 6 (33:40):
All I'm saying is is the ownership of the Pistons lost.
I lost faith in them up until they got rid
of Monty. All right, the Red Wings right now, you
get the Eyeser plan in town, and you're supposed to
bankroll every movie wants to make. Now, I don't know
enough about the Red Wings, and I don't know who's
holding up the process, whether it's owner ship or whether

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it's Eiserman. But nobody is thrilled with the rend Wings.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Of course not.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
And nobody has why would would what would you mean?

Speaker 4 (34:07):
But they have draft, they have drafted and developed Okay,
this is what you give the Pistons credit for and
the Lions credit for. It's harder in hockey than it
is in basketball. In the NFL, it's much more difficult,
and it's much more difficult in Major League Baseball. Basketball
and the NFL have a salary cap too.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
It was easy for the Red Wings when they didn't
have the salary cap. You know, they they've since the
salary cap came in. Well, they've had franchises struggle. Yeah,
they've had it before. It just wasn't you know the
word cap. I mean, there's taxes and all these other things. Right,
we all know that with baseball, like, oh, there's no
salary cap. Used to be there's there's a tax there.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Okay, but it's it's a little ridiculous to think that
Tom Gores only did that, right, Like you're you're pissed
off the Chauncey billups Is trape.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
That was by Joe.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Dumars, by the way, Okay, okay, here here's and here's
what Tom Gores, to his credit, did. You're my general manager.
I'm giving you the strength and the veto power or
the power to make moves and do your job. That's
what he did, whether you think that's writer with Trover

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with everybody, look Troy Weaver.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
When when Troy.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Weaver was acquired, when he was brought on board, he
came from Oklahoma City, everybody lauded that move because of
who he learned at the knee.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Of Sam Presty.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Okay, so if we got the next Sam Presty, this
is the guy we want. Everybody wants that guy until
that guy isn't Sam Presty, until Bob Quinn isn't the
guy in New England, Bill Belichick or whatever. So it's
easy for us to go. It's but when they when
they hired Troy Weaver, most people, and I would guess
you too, were all on.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
I have no problem with the job Troy Weaver did here. Yeah,
I'm on boy with Troy. Okay, I'm on Boywoo trot.
He cleared everybody out. He didn't get into any long
term contracts with any players. Everything was two years and
then he was set up like if he was given
that last offseason, I'm very curious to see what he
would have done. But what he presented to Trajan was

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I'll tell you what if I'm if I'm coming in
and I get a chance to be a GM in
the the NBA. I either want to take over the
OKC team that's about ready to win and be a dynasty,
or a terrible team with some majesty in their history
that has clean books and a great question.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
I would love to know how many other general managers
I Matt Millen, We're fifty four one one and you
said I have no problem with the Josh Troy Weaver
did here.

Speaker 9 (36:41):
I think the general managers on football are a little
bit different if you look at the position that Troy
Weaver was hired into. Ye he wasn't president of basket operations.
People compare him to Trajan, They're not even the same.
His first title was assistant GM underneath Ed Stefanski and
Arn Tullham, which never went away. So that's where I
do say the things I know he was able to effect,

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which was primarily the young players. He did good a
lot of the signings, the big signings. I do believe
he did really well with the young play Holy okay.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Who forgot I just want you, guys, I'm gonna remember
this conversation and the next time you bitch. The next
time you bitch about Scott Harris. The next time you
bitch about anybody in a front, I'm going to bring
up I'm going to bring up Troy Weaver and say
fifty four one and one and that's acceptable.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
That's moving the goal post. Does he have more control
than Troy Weaver?

Speaker 7 (37:39):
How much?

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Which guys did? Which guy was Troy Weaver in charge
of getting or not getting art? I don't care about
article D. Tell me about.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
Jalen Duran for one.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
And and Ron Holland was his pick.

Speaker 9 (37:52):
That was a guy that was at the top of
his Rob Murphy could take you through the whole thing
as well.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
There was I don't need Rob Murphy. I don't need you.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Murphy wasn't his. Bogdanovich wasn't his.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
How Convince got saddled with Blake Griffin and the whole
problem that he left afterwards?

Speaker 4 (38:09):
And why weren't they his? Just out of curiosity.

Speaker 9 (38:12):
The organization was already in on Chillian well before they
had hired Troy Weavers. That goes all the way back
to Joe Dumarsh, who actually wound up on Killian Hazen.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
He brings in the guys you guys like and who
are good. That's that's good to the guys who aren't
good kill We're not gonna kill you, We're gonna We're
gonta label that way.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Somebody in the organization, just like Cleves was not Joe
Dumar's pick, even though he was there in title only.
So I will stand up for Troy Weaver, and I've
been for two years now. Now where you and I
where you think that you and I differ is Scott
Harriss so with the Tigers, and I don't think the
Tigers have been cheap. The Tigers went out and spent

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twenty five million dollars on flairty, fifteen more on glabor,
fifteen more on a guy that we don't get to
use in alex but twenty five million dollars more that
wasn't accepted by Bregman. And if I look at the
the off season and the free agents.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Seventy one million, it's at it are.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
A lot of by per year, though, but I'm saying, yeah, like,
if you look at what the Tigers actually did on
the heels of making the playoffs, they spent They did
spend money, and then what the problem that people have
in this town is is that they didn't go out
and make this big move at the trade deadline. But guys,
the Tigers are on the same path as the Pistons

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and the Lions. They are committed to their players that
they believe in, that they're developing, that they drafted, and
it's a long term play. I am all for it.
I didn't love the trade targets that were available at
this at this trade deadline in the MLB. These guys,
the Loronzos that everybody wanted to see Jennison at the
trade deadline can still happen this off season. The money

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that didn't get accepted by Bregman will be accepted by
somebody else. So in terms of management, honestly our ownership,
I would put the Tigers at number two, call me nuts,
and then I'd put the Pistons pretty close behind them
after on the heels of what Gores did. And the
Red Wings again, I'm not familiar enough with the Red Wings,

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but considering that we've got the man that's supposed to
get it right here and we haven't seen the big
moves either whether he didn't decide to do it or
whether they didn't give him the money to do it,
we haven't seen any of it. To take them to
the next level. So red wings in the bottom fleece.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
He's made moves. They're just the wrong moves. The drafts
are good, no doubt about. The moves are the wrong,
but they.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
Seem committed to their future as well. I just hope
that that future can get here while Eiserman is still here. Yeah,
because that divorce that's as messy as Joe Dumars. We
haven't seen sweet Joe number four back in Detroit since
he left, and that's terrible.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah. I think when when you look at the Pistons
or the Tigers, should say and they're fourteenth and spending,
I think it's okay to expect more. I think it's
all right to say. And I don't mean financial.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
Owner, correct, I think that's correct.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Whatever, I don't. I don't know how much of these guys.
It doesn't matter to me. It matters to me how
much he's spending out his organization. That's all that really
truly matters to me where he ranks among owners. I
care about the product that they're putting on the field.
And I think there is a little bit of a
misnomer thinking that Chris Zillich is standing in the way

(41:33):
of Scott Harris. Now I don't know this for a fact,
but if he's willing to spend on certain players like
you just brought up, use the examples. I want to
know the example of him not willing to spend. And
there's just a belief that Scott Harris can't spend, Steve
Eisman can't spend. I would like to know the proof
of that, because I think they're doing exactly what the

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Pistons used to do, and that is spend improperly, or
what the Red Wings are doing now spend on players
that aren't good enough to be demanding that contract. Yeah,
that's all you think.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
Fancier are more critical of Chris Oils because of his father,
who was willing eventually after the nineties to open up
the checkbook for the Tigers.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
One hundred percent, and because he made the mistake or
Scott Harris made the mistake of saying we will spend
when the time is ready, and that begs what every
fan to go, Okay, well, when can you explain to
me when is ready? Can you explain to me how
much you're going to spend? Those are ill advised comments

(42:39):
that come back to haunt you It's no dissimilar than
Riley Green's saying nobody cares about strikeouts. When Riley Green
strikes out three times and Spencer Torkelsen, Carrie Carpenter, and
Glaber Torres strikeout three times in a game, then everybody goes,
do they matter to you? Now? They're empty at bed.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Apparently Ryley Green doesn't care about his strikeouts.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
The no, he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
That's what I just said. He said he doesn't care.
I care because I'd rather at least if you put
the ball in play, and this is what led to
Detroit's early season success. At least if you put the
ball in play, the other team may boot it. You
look at what happened last night and the sixth inning,
there are certain whether it's bunting or an infield single.

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You put the ball in play, you're not striking out.
It's not an empty at bat. You make them field
the ball. I don't know why that's so hard to believe.
So I said at the time, that's going to come
back and haunt Riley and that will continue to haunt.

Speaker 6 (43:37):
Him, probably for his whole career unless he can get
those strikes in Detroit.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
They will.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
Yeah, I got a question that I've been seeing Rando
and kool Ay go back and forth in the chat
who is the cornerstone franchise of Detroit because that I
heard him saying, the Pistons and the Red Wings could
fill your Hall of fame on their own. You know,
obviously the the Tigers are the oldest franchise here, lions

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with the least success in the last seventy five years.
Who would you call the cornerstone franchise of your Hall
of Fame of Detroit as it is now?

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Saying historically?

Speaker 6 (44:13):
No, I'm saying right now, who whould people go to
that hall of fame? What would they go there to see?
Because it's not like we've got a Lombardi Trophy to
put up. I mean, we got one one jersey that's
retired number twenty for like seven guys.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Well, obviously that's not true.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
I'm being I'm being a little much.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
You're Brian, I'm not. I'm not sure what you're asking.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
What I mean the question they were they were going
back and forth. He had said that that that your
hall of fame that you're talking about would could be
filled just on the backs of the Pistons and the
Red Wings, and I guess while we're we're looking and
we're talking about a city that is underrepresented with things
to do in regard to our teams here outside of

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going to it.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Yeah, you're bringing back to where we started the conversation.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
But it's also it also comes down to the money
aspect as well. Who is the cornerstone, who has spent
the money? Because to me, right now, I think the
best stuff that we would have to show off would
be from the Red Wings. And the Red Wings were
spending money when their quote unquote wasn't a cap, so

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since that cap was put on.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
As they and the Rangers were the highest paying teams, yep.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
But I mean at this point, like, who is it
that who is it that is supposed to lead the
charge with these teams? Who is it that's supposed to
be spending the most. Who is it that's brought back
the most to this community? And I think that that's
kind of as much as we love our teams and
we know that we deserve more here in Detroit in
the last twenty years, there's just not much to represent.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
And how much a standpoint, perhaps from an individual standpoint, Yeah, sure.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
There's money representatives, sure, but we're talking about these owners
that are spending money or not spending money, and unfortunately
for this century, outside of you know, the Red Wings
and the Pistons in the beginning, there's just nothing to
hang your hat on, and it's kind of hard to
feel inspired as an owner to where you spend that money.
I'm guessing, you know. But we're seeing the Lions being

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willing to spend that money to go out and you know,
put these big extensions on their guys. I'm just hoping
that we see the other owners of all three ball
clubs follow suit, which your boy Tom Gores started that
with Keate Cunningham.

Speaker 9 (46:36):
Yeah, you know, And I liked what the Pistons did,
starting with honestly, the stan Van Gundy higher and every
at the time, everybody.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
I'm not saying, I'm not saying that I approve of
the stan Van Gundy era.

Speaker 9 (46:47):
I'm saying, at the time, there were two coaches that
everybody wanted when he went and hired him. And at
that time, the reason why I say I like it
is because it signified, or at least signaled that he
was finally turning things over to perceivably be basketball minds.
So whether that turned out well or not, it still
led to him doing what we got where right now.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
We handle a bat job minds.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
It was, it was.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
It was one of the dumber things any owner's ever done,
is give that man responsibility that general manager or player
personnel say, and be the head coach. He's as bad
at his job as Matt Millan was.

Speaker 9 (47:22):
At his, and we can talk about what job he did,
but as related to Tom Gores as an owner, the
one thing we wanted to see him do is turn
it over to basketball minds, turn it over to the
people that are in this sport and know it. He
was a business guy trying to come in and do
things that andson talked about that was focused more on
the money of it all and more on the corporate
of it all and less of the NBA and the
basketball and the culture of it all. So I appreciated

(47:45):
the attempt, though I can honestly say it failed and
I wouldn't approve of it, just the same way that
I'm glad today he has continued the assent to bring
in basketball minds to lead his front office where he
is overstepped like with the Manti thing. I'm glad that
he instantly walked that back and did what wevirited it
right back.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Two.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
We got a lot of examples out there in general
where people have turned it over to basketball minds and
it's failed, or we or we turned it over to
basketball or or any sports mind but the.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Pisces weren't going anywhere if Tom Gores did.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Joe Dumars was a lot better basketball mine than stan
Ban Gundy and Joe Joe Dumars. We were just complaining
about a moment ago. Okay, I'm not gonna sit there,
and I'm not stan Ban Gundhy on the back or
anybody for hiring stan Band Gundy.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
On the back.

Speaker 9 (48:32):
I'm glad that he did something different than what wasn't working,
because if he didn't do anything different, it wasn't gonna
go anywhere positive. I believe that that was the first step,
the first stepping stone. That's what I believe, and I
will continue to call it that because it was where
we saw him finally Bryce. That's when he brought into Stefanskis,
That's when he brought in the Arn't tell M's That's
when he brought in some of those other people as well.
And I appreciated that he could have went back to

(48:55):
the old way of doing things after he broomed out SPG,
but he took another step.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Towards get A minute ago, you were just complaining about
Stefan right now. A minute ago, you were complaining about Stefanski.
Aren't telling King from the agency side, not from the
basketball side, right Okay. So I'm trying to figure out,
you know, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful. Some
people think I'm being disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I don't mean to be.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
You might have a conversation I like being Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
I don't. I don't mean to be disrespectful. But it's
just I'm confused. Did you like Stefanski or not? Because
earlier you said you didn't. Now you're saying the basketball no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (49:27):
I appreciated why they brought him in, and when they
handed things over to Troy Weaver, they should have just
handed things over to Troy Weaver. I didn't like when
they parsed and fragmented the front office. But up until
that point, Stefanski had a job, and he did that
job well from a cap standpoint, and he put the
Pistols in a good position and then they and and
that's that's honestly what tipped things off first before Troy

(49:50):
Weaver came in toil everything down, got the contracts out
the way, and now we're at the Trajan Langdon, who's
the first person they've hired to be president of basketball
operations since then.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah, copy of that. I really liked Tregent Langdon. I
think he's fantastic. So we I don't know how we
got on the Pistons, but has nothing to do with
it has nothing to do with Tigers. Are we're gonna
talk about you guys are going to do the show
that there's nothing going on the Pistons right now.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
Agree that the Tigers were in the minority. We thought
that they spent this offseason, but right now they lost
last night, they're tied for they've lost the lead in
the division. So a lot of people are going to
say that they didn't spend enough money. There's a guy
that pitched last night that everybody wants to know whether
we should spend that money. And I know you're pretty

(50:43):
passionate when it comes to that conversation.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
It's it's nothing. It's not that I don't like him
or respect him because I think he's the best left
handed pitcher in baseball. Paul Skeens could make an argument
he's the best pitcher. Max Freed, I suppose, could make
an argument that he's the best lefty over Trek schoobl
But I have steadfast for more than this year, for
really a few years now that I'm not spending that
kind of money on a starting pitcher.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
Half a billion plus, this is the type of money
you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Yeah, I don't know if it's half billion. Maybe it's
you know, the four hundred million, but it's close to it.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Yeah, talked about four hundred million.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
It's probably the Well, it's the largest contract in Tiger's history.
And I get the passion that people have for Terrek Schoubel,
and I respect it. I just wouldn't do it. That's
just my opinion.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
Wasn't he supposed to win that game last night? Wasn't
that our stopper? Wasn't that the guy that gets us
the two game cushion with five to play?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Well, as I warned people on the show yesterday, just
because your best is pitching, I said yesterday, Gavin Williams
is good. He's really good, all right. He had twelve punchouts.
Detroit with nineteen strikeouts is embarrassing, flat out embarrassing. If
any other pitcher or any other player on the Tigers
does what Terrek Schoubl did in the sixth inning last night,

(51:55):
they're being skewered.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
No doubt about it. And he's getting a free pass
right now. Listen, this is the game that you need
him for last night. This is the game that every
single Tigers fan is losing their mind of the series.
Should I say that they're losing their mind of it? Oh,
but we got Scoops. Scoobs is pitching the first game.
We should We're gonna be fine. How worried are you
at this point? Shep? This team is blown a fifteen

(52:19):
game lead now and they're as cold as I was
playing the hottest team in the MLB and zero cushion left.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Well, I said I wouldn't be overly concerned until they
lost the lead. So I don't want to be hypocritical
and turn around and say I'm worried. It's how a
team is playing.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
But they've lost them the Yeah, yeah you can be
afraid now.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Yeah, they're they don't play the same way as they
did when they collected fifty nine wins in the first
half of the season, and when you are look, let
me be specific. All right, we were very proud of
collectively as our six all stars, Schooble, Myze, McKinstry, Bias, Taurus,

(53:04):
and Green. Let me give you some numbers real quick.
I don't know what numbers tickle your fancy here, and
I know it's not easy in baseball. Zach McKinstry. Remember
at the trade deadline, what did I say? Kool aid?
I said, who's to say that things can't turn around
and be the negative for Detroit the way it was
positive a year ago. People were pissed. People were pissed

(53:26):
when I said Zach McKinstry's thirty years.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Old, it's played out like a prophecy.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
He's well, I'm definitely not a prophet, But I said,
Zach McKinstry's thirty years old. He's a career two thirty hitter.
He's hitting two eighty five at the break. I don't
see that continuing. What's wrong with you? Why are you
a hater? Two thirteen since the break? All right, I'll
just go buy averages unless you want to include slug.
The slug was four seventy two in the first half.
The slug is three eighty seven in the second half.

(53:52):
Zach McKinstry hit two sixteen in July, two thirty three
in August. That's who he is, okay, Glabor taurus one
one with a four to twenty five slug in the
first half, two twenty eight with a three point fifty
three slug in the second half. Labor Torres hit two
twenty seven in August, is hitting two twenty one in September.
Riley Green love him, I do. I said earlier this

(54:15):
year he should be captain five left fielder and mobit absolutely,
but that's a really hard sell for me when he
says what he says and you got people like kool
aid shaking his head and he loves them right, But
it isn't it hard to defend him? It absolutely is
two eighty one in the first half, four to fifty
five slug. He's betting two twenty three with a four

(54:36):
to eighteen slug in the second half.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
It's not a top five left fielder in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
I know what am I gonna argue with you? Riley
Green's betting. He betted two thirteen in July. Okay, let
me give you one more real quick and then you
can go copy or bias. I know, I know, two
seventy five in the first half with a four to
forty two slug, two five in the second half with

(55:02):
a two eighty eight slug.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
That's the hobby.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
I know, dude, that dude betted. That dude betted one
eighty in July. He's batting one eleven.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
That's the obvious week.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
No, yeah, batting one eleven in September.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
It is painful to watch.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Who are they? Are those? And I'm just bringing up
all stars. Maybe it's not fair. Okay, what eleven? I
know cold Keith being hurt.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Eh.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
And before you go on Spencer Torkleson's rant, like KG
did before the I said Torclosen hit two thirty four
in the first half, he's hitting two fifty two in
the second half.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
But when you have a collective team that is this
poor and they're all going south at the same time,
you can't recover because you have twenty six guys from
which to choose and you just can't change your lineup
that drastically.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
What's gliber hitting? Is anybody even hitting two eighty on
the year. How the hell do you get to the
playoffs with nobody over two seventy five? And I need
to know where you were with this team. The beginning
of the season, I thought that this team, at best
would be fighting for a wildcard spot.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Oh, I thought they'd win the division.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Yes, I did not. And last year the excitement over
the team to start, they gave me exactly what I
thought they were going to be until the last month.
I was very impressed with what they did, and I
felt that ownership went and chased that success and tried
to sign guys to continue that momentum and make them
a better team. But I still didn't think they were
a division champion. I still didn't think of it. Halfway

(56:35):
through the season, I'm like, I look, I think.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
They kick out the White Sox.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
The only reason I felt that they were going to
win this division was because of their record at the
halfway point. At no point can I look at the
Tigers roster on paper and say that this is one
of the best teams in the American League. So hats
off to the skipper. But because he's what you said,
the division, Yeah, I know, I'm talking about the division.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
But when you say a wild card, that means you're
not winning your division.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Okay, So my question to you was, who do you
think was better?

Speaker 6 (57:06):
Cleveland at the start of the season.

Speaker 13 (57:08):
Absolutely Cleveland, And even when they were like you thought
you thought Cleveland's roster was better the start of the season,
I felt that they were better and I felt that
the Royals were right there with them.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
As the season went on, we played really really well.
You know what is it? Class gets gets booted from
the league and things start to equalize and really look like, Okay,
we might have a better roster on paper, But right
now you can't tell me that the way that the
that the Guardians excuse me, have been playing versus the
Tigers have been playing, that we have a better roster

(57:41):
on paper, because right now we're exactly the same, exactly
the same for one hundred and fifty eight games.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Or fifty say now, but I'll give you credit. You
thought Cleveland's roster was better than Detroit's. I did, and
I felt this season I would love to know which players.
I mean outside, there's two guys, right, I thought there's
two guys. I'm not doing a rock and roll sign
here even though we were talking about the rock roll earlier.

(58:09):
There's there's Stephen Kwan and he's the top five left fielder,
but so is Riley Green.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
He's so much better than Riley Green.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
And there in what in what area? And in the
battle hitting well, yeah, he's a better hitter, way better
contact power hitter. Obviously not fielding wise, Riley Green won
the fielding Bible life.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
I'm gonna ob peak guy, period.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
All right.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
I want people on base, big power with strikeouts. Doesn't
blow my skirt up, period, all right?

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Are winning championships are hitting powers?

Speaker 6 (58:39):
Wait a second, when you looked at that, at that
at the beginning of the year, nobody was excited about
Trey Sweeney. Nobody is excited about Zach mckinstrm. Nobody is
excited about park People are excited about Parker medals in
this town because he can run fast with a glove on.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
All right, nobody said anything about Tray Sweeney.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
Don't well, I'm saying, halfway through the season, Oh, look
at Trey Sweeney, Look at Zach mcenttry, look look at
Matt Vererling's about to join this land. We got Parker
Metals Company. I look at this roster, and I felt
like they absolutely overachieved last year and this year I
felt that they were right on the edge of being
a playoff team. At no point did I say, Hey,

(59:15):
these guys are gonna win the division. Everybody here in
Woodward they're gonna win the division. But that's because everybody
here at Woodward loves their Detroit team. The Tigers are
super young, and we have the best farm system, and
I love the fact that they didn't break the bank
to give up a bunch of the best players, young
guys that they have to going capitalize on the nineteen

(59:37):
or twenty twenty five window. Because I do believe in
this team for the rest of this decade and going beyond.
But I think that the Tigers team is what they
are now. The fact that they won the majority of
these games in the front half and lost the majority
of the second half, they could have had the same
record all season and I would not be surprised at all.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Okay, again, I give you credit because I didn't see
the Cleveland roster. Outside of the two players I've mentioned,
I don't think there's a damn guy on that team
that you look at. I won Gabriel arius break.

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
Two guys on the Tigers who excited you?

Speaker 11 (01:00:14):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Two guys on the type exactly?

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
No, Ryley Green? Who's the second guy that got you
excited to start the year?

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Hold on?

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
First of all, Riley Green was an All Star a
year ago. Okay, so, and Carrie Carpenter has incredible slugging
numbers against that's the other day. Hold on Labor Torres
track record wise, you knew damn well he was gonna
be good. Okay. Not excited though, not just a glue guy.
I personally was excited for because I think cold keeps

(01:00:42):
a really good hitter.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
So it wasn't last year though, and he definitely had
a better year, had a better year, but both of
everybody was down.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
He came on last year. Okay's had a better year.
He looks more like this year than similar to two
years ago. He's even better than two years ago. All Right,
my big thing, you're you got? That's fine. I'm big
in slug. I think the best teams are big in slug. Yankees, Cubs,
Red Sox, these guys.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Best teams are ops.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I'm giving you slug and that's all I'm doing, right,
Take it all right, I'm just saying Dodgers. Those guys
are all they have powerful lineups, that's all I'm saying.
And Detroit ranked twenty eighth in slug a year ago.
They needed to improve that area. That's where I thought
they were going to improve. I didn't look at Cleveland
and say they had a better roster. I didn't look
at Minnesota or Kansas City, even though I think Kansas

(01:01:33):
City has arguably the best player in the entire division
in Bobby Wick Junior. I thought Detroit had a better roster. Yes, obviously,
you know, it's we're really pushing the envelope there on
who's right and who's wrong. I hope that I'm right,
but it sure doesn't look like.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
I hope I'm wrong as hell.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
It's a great debate.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
It's a really great debate.

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
Many when you look at the Tigers, even from last
year though in the playoffs, they just couldn't bat in
the runs they had. That's where when I'm looking at
what you're saying, it would be nice if they did
have a little bit more of that pop throughout the
lineup to have taken advantage of that stuff. You look
at what happened last year. Just look they ran out
of the steam. Torque ran out of a little bit
of steam as well in the last Y's playoffs. They
came into this year and I was a lot more

(01:02:15):
bullish on them and what they could be. I thought
that they were going to run through this division. But
I always said this, and always had this in the
back of my mind, do not let the Guardians get close.
After it was I say, if you let them get close,
how much of the mental component comes in to play
with a team that's effectively owned you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
So I thought Minnesota was better than Cleveland. Quite not so.
I mean before I'm talking about I'm talking about it
before the season. Yeah, okay, that's what I'm help for Buxton,
that was That was the team that I was more
worried about. Obviously I've been wrong, That's okay. I I
have no problem with many when I'm wrong. But I thought,
with Trevor Larnock and Byron Buxton and Ryan Jeffers and

(01:02:54):
a few other guys that they have helped groom, I thought,
you know, Royce Lewis, you know who hasn't been able
to stay healthy. I thought they had better talent than Cleveland,
all right, I think Cleveland's got a much better manager.
I think Detroit's got a much better manager too, because
I'm not a big fan of roccoball DELI I don't
think he's.

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
I think spoken for itself for the last two years.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Yeah, but they've won more divisions than Detroit has.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
I'll still remember driving home from mayighty seven, Game five,
listening Kent Herbeck's arrogant ass on whatever talk show radio
there was that I hate the Twinkies.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I hate him, But like I said, in this
short period of time, they've won more than the Tigers,
not from a division title standpoint, and that hurts. Okay,
that hurts all of it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
Yeah, we are the pride of this division going forward.
I mean, can we call a McGonagall for tonight's game
because he'd help And I know that they don't want
to start his timer. They don't want to start the
clock yet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
But the fact I don't think that matters at this time,
and it shouldn't.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
You're not a farm system, are you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:01):
I love I love prospects in every but honestly, if
if if Tiger fans feel that they didn't spend enough,
now's your time to spend him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Start to flock why do we think and that's a
common theme, and look, I'm not going to totally disregard it.
Why do we think Kevin McGonagall fixes everything when he's
a double A player.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
His success at every level that I've been watching is
gives me hope that he could come up and actually
have a nice flash month before people get the understanding
of him and what his tendencies are. But he's a
guy that would, if he was successful at this level,
would be the highest BA on the team. Like immediately,
I feel like he would be.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
On bathe if he were successful.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
Of course, if he were successful, of course, his style
of play, whether it's you know, whether it's Vinnie p
when he came up, his style of play continued and
he was an OBP guy. He got on base. And
this is a similar guy that what he's shown through
low A, high A, double A and he hasn't let
up a at any level. If that, you know, even

(01:05:02):
a lower level of play were to be you know
what we saw on his call up, I still think
he'd have probably the best on base percentage aside from
maybe Glabor, I think he'd be YEA And that's what
this offense is needed. You can't even get to the
power bat because guys.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Just you know, I agree with you. Yeah, look, I
mean I'm with you on that one for six torners
in scoring position. But was it two for fourteen the
other day something like that. I hesitate to say this
guy would make a difference now. And the reason I
say that is, like, I mean, Harry Ford was called
up by Seattle. He had success at every level. Has

(01:05:40):
he made a difference for Seattle?

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Well, let's let's not talk about catchers.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Well, I'm just telling you catch catchers.

Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
Are a whole different story.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
What's Carter Jensen done. There's another catcher for Kansas City.
How about who's the kid who got called up for Cleveland?
Came in as a pinch hitter yesterday? Valera? Valera Joe.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
Okay, yeah, so he was pretty highly regarded. But that
was a year ago.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Okay, so highly regarded. What's the impact there in twenty
plus games. I think I would rather see him. To
your point, I would rather see him than calling up
Justin Henry Malloy. I'd rather see him than calling up
Jayce Young. What's wrong with Detroit promoting their top prospect

(01:06:26):
and the best hitting prospect in all of baseball. Here's
what's preventing them. You gotta put him on the forty man.
Detroit's biggest problem over the last ten years is they
have treated their forty man roster like, oh my god,
if we lose Ronnie Rodriguez, somebody's going to come in
and scoop him up.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
And it makes no sense to the other thing for
mcgona culture me. He might be a plug and play
at shortstop, which has been a problem defensively for the
Tigers this year.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
I don't know how good he is. I don't either, Yeah,
not sure, so I hesitate to to go that far.
I think, first of all, he's something new.

Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
That we haven't seen with a seventy great hit to man.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
And second of all, he's considered the best hitting prospect
in baseball. What is this team lacking right now?

Speaker 9 (01:07:13):
Consistent hitting, which says he will help, though, I do
want to make sure that we do give a lot
of credence back to what shep highlighted with his power numbers,
today's power stats, and that's all those All Stars that
we were relying one in the first half of the season,
and just how far dip they have come, all of
them they have to at least find some type of
level or else what are they going to do to.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
These future prospects, because it can't just be all on
the mcgonacles.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Can they Can they find it in the next five games? No,
that's a serious question. It's a serious question. Do you
think they can find it in the next five games? Yes,
if they do. If they do find it in the
next five games, do you honestly believe it's real in
the postseason?

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
Well, look, this team won the last few games of
the season last year. There's no reason that they can't
tap into that same energy and then bring it with
them because realistically, if they're able to hold them off,
they're gonna be playing a series at home, right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Yes, okay, yeah, they would be, so they would win
the division. They lose the division head to hind it.

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is shop. I think even if the Tigers do make
the playoffs, people will say that's not real, when I
know it is real. That's from Steve o'baby. I think Steve,
you're right. I think there's a lot of people they
we don't want to get burned, and that's how we feel.
That's that's how sports feels. If a player burns me,
I believe in you, and boom, you let me down,

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it's hard to get back on right. Same thing with
coaches and managers teams in general. I think that's what
Detroit is building on fortunately right Now what they're building
is there's hell burn.

Speaker 6 (01:16:03):
Yeah, a big burn. You're right with that, because everyone
just expected playoffs here for the Tigers. But at the
same point, there are one hundred and sixty two games
and you have to play them all, and all that
matters is who's sitting on top of the end. Tigers
got five games to get it right and not burn
this city. I have faith they did it last year.

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There's no reason they can't tap back.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
And this is absolute Mike Jesus. I do believe in
the Tigers, the Hanshin Tigers, that's it. I also believe
Anson gets a haircut every single day.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
I've always changed my hair a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
They got paid for this one, though, five hundred dollars
for this one first.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Time, and you have five hundred dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:16:48):
Yeah, they sent me five hundred dollars to my cash
app two weeks ago on the postgame show. So if
you see that line down the middle, I actually did
that one and then Justin came in tightened up the rest.
But you know, I gotta be honest. Usually I pay
for my haircuts. I got paid for this one.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
People have too much disposable income. Rodney Smiley says that,
do you guys remember last year Baltimore has some of
the hottest prospects in baseball playing on a team, and
look at what happened. It's a great example, great example.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
Oils are supposed to be the class this year.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
It it was just a couple of years they won.
Years ago they won one hundred one games. So look,
it's it's amazing to me how this has happened. I
am frustrated, just like everybody else's. I love some of
the positivity in the chat too, where they're saying there's
five games left. Yes, things can happen. Here's the reason,

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you know, and we'll hear the Tigers. You guys all
gave up on us. If they come back and win this.
You guys all gave up on us. It's us against
the world all this other stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
They gave you reason to lose faith when you are
in this type of slump and it's elongated. They gave
you reason to do it months long.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
If there are certain things that we're watching with our
eyes that we actually believe, and this is one of them,
we're believing that perhaps you said it earlier, perhaps this
is who they are. I don't like admitting that. I
hope I'm wrong, but maybe this is who they are,
a good team who can win mid eighty games. I
thought that would be enough. I thought eighty eight wins

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would be enough to win the Al Central. It appears
that will not be the case. Maybe it will be,
but now look at all the teams that leap Frogham.

Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
Yeah, okay, Cleveland's just too damn hot and the Tigers
are just too damn cold right now. But so much
of this comes down to aj Hinch. For me, I
felt like he managed this team to that fifteen game
lead to twenty five games over five hundred ye and
I felt like the roster came back down to earth.

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So at this point with five games, as we've just
mentioned a few times, it's up to this excellent manager
to get the most out of what is probably an
eighty five to eighty eight win roster and get him
into the damn playoffs. If this guy's as good as
we've been saying he is all season, he's got to
find a way.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Maybe you are so right about that. That's that's what
gave everybody confidence. Seriously, it's okay, we've got the best
manager in baseball. He's the guy who can get us
through and he's a guy that can.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
But he can finish it off. He did it last year.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
It's a different team. I don't care about last year.
I don't care about any I don't think there's any
momentum from one year to the next. I truly don't.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
But there is understanding of these last five games and
what's at stake and what they capitalize on last year
in order to win the division. So that to me
is just like, well, we've been.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
Here before you But you know what they look similar
to right now?

Speaker 9 (01:19:53):
The Twins from last year, that Guardian Series, Well, yes,
they were out of steam.

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
You knew this.

Speaker 9 (01:20:02):
I don't see how they're going to be able to
turn this around because they kind of looked like.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
The fifteen is a pretty good example right there.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
They kind of looked like the fifteen and two Lions
that were completely focused on being the best regular season
team and winning as many games and getting that number
one seed, and then between health and energy, they just
ran out of gas. And are there Tigers? Are they
out of gas?

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
Well, don't you think last year Detroit finished whatever was
it five and a half or six games behind Cleveland
in the division. Don't you think Cleveland felt like, you know,
they had to play well going into the playoffs too.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
I well enough to beat us, If that's.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
The mindset, Yeah, Well, like Detroit last year, what did
we always say about them? We said, They've been playing
playoff baseball since the end of August, right end of August,
mid August, all the way through September. Cleveland's been doing
the same thing. I mean, it's literally a role reversal
one season, no doubt. So I don't care as much

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about what happened a year ago. I happened. I care
about what's happening right now.

Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
Oh I'm not living in the past. I'm just hoping
that they can tap into that experience. Say listen, guys,
we've been here. We have to do this otherwise we
are going to be called the Twins all off season.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
Do you think by saying we've been there, they weren't
the hunted last year? No, they were the hunter. Now
they were the hunted. Do you believe there's a huge
difference there?

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
There absolutely is. But at this point, with five games left,
they are tied for the division, which I would say
is pretty much almost exactly what happened last year, or
tied for a playoff spot is where they were last year.
I think that when they went into Houston, they were
playing so hot, and he was like, well, these guys
don't even deserve to be here, and they got smarted
out of there. Then you go to the Cleveland series,

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a team that's very, very familiar with this team. But
Cleveland said, hey, they shouldn't be here, but look what
they did to the Astros. So they were able with
a better roster and better management, better experience, they were
able to dispatch this Tigers team last year. It is
obviously a very different role. It's a complete role reversal,
as you mentioned, but you still are exactly where you

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were last year. You're actually better. You're better.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
You're not you're not tied with a few, you're not
playing as good a baseball thought it maybe better, but
you're playing as good a babe.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
If I'm the manager, that's what I'm going to tap
into and be like, guys, we were right here last year.
This is the same spot. Don't lament on the ground
you've lost, just understand the ground you have to gain.
With five games last.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
I'm sure ag Hinch has said that a lot over
the last year. But he may have said that, and
it's you can talk all you want, you've got to
go out there and you can have more confidence in
hitting the ball and getting in the ball and play
fielding the ball and not throwing the ball between your
legs and so on and so forth. And the other
thing I would say is, there's no way Houston last
year said about the Tigers, I don't think they deserve

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to be or we're looking past him. No professional, I
think most professional, Most professional athletes and teams do not
sidelines exactly exactly what were you gonna say, kol A,
go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
No, I'm just right now.

Speaker 9 (01:23:12):
Randall Small's he's been in this chat just really banging
the drum of positivity even more so than me.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
I feel like I could give the positive ers kool aid.

Speaker 9 (01:23:21):
And shouts to Randall for supporting us. He believes that
the Tiger's pitching is still the best. You've seen me
on this little bit of a sea saw schell. And
you asked the question when everything was still sweet, You
asked questions, You looked at things.

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
You were like, yo, who's your playoff number?

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Two?

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Who are you confident. What's your rotation?

Speaker 9 (01:23:39):
There are things this team needs to show up and
you did bring the receipts, you bought what your thoughts
should be done. But I'm not feeling necessarily the same
way as Randall.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
What are you seeing about that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
Can I just give you one number, Randall that might
unfortunately change your mind when you talk about starting pitching.
The number is nineteen. Nineteen is the consecutive starts Cleveland's
starters have had, allowing two runs viewers, Wow, nineteen straight
the starters now they're not going super deep. You know,

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Gavin Williams last night through six innings. Here's what frustrated
me the most about last night. It's not Terrek Scouble's
throw between the legs and the wild pitch and how
he unraveled a little bit in the sixth. What I
wanted to see, and maybe this happened behind the scenes
so I could be wrong. What I wanted to see
is I wanted to see a Jack Morris moment. I

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wanted to see a Mickey Lolich moment. I want to
see a Justin Verlander moment, and that moment is you're
taking me out, bullshit, You're not taking me out I
want the ball. I'm going back out there. I don't
give a crap. I've thrown ninety five pitches or one
hundred and ninety five pitches. I want the mound. This

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is my game to show something. Sometimes that gets overblown.
But when Mayo's Smith said to Mickey Lolich, I need
you after game six Danny McClain one game six, nineteen
sixty eight, he said, I'm gonna need you to pitch
for game seven. Mickey Lolich says, I can throw it
an inger too. Yeah, I can give you. He says, No,

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I need you to start two days rest. That dude
goes out there and after each inning Mayo Smith said, hey,
I need you for another inning. I need you for
another inning. When he got to I believe the fourth
or the fifth, Mickey Lolich said to him, this is
my game. When Jack Morris is on the mountain Sparky
Anderson watch, he goes, what the blank are you doing?

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I don't want to talk to you. This is my game.
That's what I wanted from Derek Scooble. Now, I don't
know if he said that. He may have, and he
was probably change aj Hinch's mind anyway, But God dang it,
that's what I wanted. That's what I think. He's an
a's but that's what the type of bulldog mentality I

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think a lot of pitchers need today. In a moment
like that last night, I wanted my my best, even
if he lost. I wanted my best out there, and
I didn't get it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
It's supposed to be the statement game for him, and
he's supposed to write the ship. He's supposed to stop
that run from the Guardians and get us on a
roll on the road in a series we have to win,
and it was the antithesis of that. He looked very fallible,
and that's the last bastion of hope for Tigers fans
as well. We got the stopper and we had him

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in that game one. Everybody thought we were gonna see
a different result than what we saw, and I absolutely
agree with everything you just said.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Yeah, it was actually spotting.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
I don't know. It's it's really too many times people
look at me and they go, oh, here we go,
grab the shotgun, wax up the Grand Tarino and tell
people to get off your lawn. But there are certain
times when that mindset, even though it may not work
for today's day and age athletes, but there are certain
times where it does. Last night was one of those.

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I wanted that moment. The guys who want the ball,
the Bulldogs, whatever, the Kurt Shillings of the past, the
Steve Carlton's of the past, the Bob Gibson's of the past,
they tell the manager. By the way, I know, I'm
at ninety five pitches, I'm going back out there. Okay,
I've got good stuff. I let something affect me in

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the sixth. I'm gonna put it behind me. If I
expect Terran Arnold to have a be tough enough mentally
to forget about the PI, forget about the touchdown, and
forget about the quarterback completion percentage against him, why can't
I expect that from a triple Crown winner of a
year ago in a different sport. Forget about what happened.
Take the ball and say, I've got the seventh. Guys,

(01:27:49):
get me another run or two, and I'll win this
ball game for you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:53):
We're looking for any Tiger to do that with the
bat or affair, and no one's done it for the bar.

Speaker 9 (01:27:58):
At the bar, you know what, I'm sitting here looking
in the chat just a fan. He adjustice this to you,
Shep says, Shep. That was a different time. Pitchers had
two pitches, sometimes three, not five or six. Very rarely
do pitchers throw a complete game today. But to put
this thing in the context that Anson is han, there's
five games left. If you want to save them the

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whole entire season, fine, But when you're talking about right now,
when you know you need one, this is where I
appreciate your fire on this bro.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
They're right, it is a different time. Well aware of that.
I'm not asking for a complete game. That's not what
I said. What I wanted was somebody to go back
out there in the seventh I wanted someone to say,
you know what, follow me. And I don't think that's
too much to ask that.

Speaker 6 (01:28:48):
On this team.

Speaker 8 (01:28:49):
For a while, I was just about to ask the question,
who do you think this Tires team leader is? Outside
of aj Hinch as a manager, who is this team's leader?

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
That's a great question.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
I have no answer for that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
Yeah, I think it's a great question.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
That's a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
I I mean there's a part of me that would say,
Riley Green, Look, whatever answer I give you, you're gonna snicker.
And say that's a joke. Okay, okay, I could easily
see a guy like moving forward, a guy like Dylan Dingler,
I could. I would say Riley Green is probably the

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closest thing to it.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
So would you say the Tigers are lacking leadership on
the field?

Speaker 6 (01:29:31):
That's for Danmosopher field.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
That we would we agree on that, Ryan, You've got
some really good questions right now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
Is that's never been brought up. I haven't heard it
brought up.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
It's a great question. Is the leader quote unquote can
you can he get you out of this type of
bind that you're in? He's supposed to you don't do
you to your point, do they have a player who
can carry a team?

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
And he pitched last night and didn't care stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:30:03):
Like I want it?

Speaker 8 (01:30:04):
Like what I to your point on what we wanted
from school? I wanted the school from game what was
it two? In the a l DS last year where
he was screaming at the Guardians fans like he was
jacked and pumped ump.

Speaker 7 (01:30:20):
I would have liked to see that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:21):
But I feel like this team, I don't I personally
don't think they're I feel like they're so defeated mentally
and personally.

Speaker 7 (01:30:28):
And that's sad to say. I think they're just defeated.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
Seems like it sure look like it last night.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
That is so sober, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
So?

Speaker 11 (01:30:39):
What?

Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
Wait? Obryan, he brings.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
Up a really good note. It's his observation. I think
he speaks for a lot of people. I think a
lot of people feel like they watched this team, they
look defeated. I don't know if you felt that way
after a solo homer by Riley Green to make it
to nothing. But in the sixth was there not a
point while you're watching that game where you went kind

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of maneuvered in your chair, Your feet were up and
suddenly they hit the floor and you're like, I'm expecting
something bad here. It's like you just ate Franken beans
for three meals in a day.

Speaker 9 (01:31:19):
Your your point was so well that even when the
Tigers were signing everybody and had all star pitching, cass
and multiple big sticks in the lineup, still new JV
and Miggie's team and we don't even have all of
that here, And your question left us be phoddled on
who's the leader of the team that's with far less

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talent to even compete with like that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
That to me is that was a pretty sobering one.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
But the to the the person in the chat who
talked about, you know, the two pitches, Don Drysdale had
more than two touches two pitches. So did Bob Gibson.
I don't believe in that they only had two pitches
back then. Complete games here on hundred percent, right. Do
you know who leads baseball in complete games. There's a
couple of guys. Tanner Biby is one of them, and
he's pitching tonight for Cleveland. He's got two complete games.

Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
Yeah, in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
So I understand, I completely understand where you're coming from. Again,
I'll reiterate, I wasn't asking for trek School to throw
a complete game. I wanted him back out there. I
wanted him to tell his manager in front of his
entire dugout Hey, man, if I lose, I'm gonna lose
on the bump. That's all I'm saying. Go ahead, Ryan, finish,

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finish the thought please.

Speaker 8 (01:32:32):
I just thought, like during the little run last year
where Torkelsen's diving into the home base, he's screaming he's
hyped up with this guys verily in the same way.
It just seems like the energy. I don't want to
say like the swagger, but like that. What gave us
our edge was the we talked about grit. I don't
necessarily know if the grit is there right now.

Speaker 6 (01:32:51):
Yeah, grit and momentum, and both are gone. The momentum
is in the opposite direction. That's a tough thing to
recover in baseball. I feel like baseball all when you're
going in one direction, it's harder to completely go in
the other direction, more so than any other sport, aside
from maybe hockey.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Yeah, I am I'm not a get I'll get ripped
on for this. I'm not a big believer in momentum
when it comes to especially baseball. It's your next day pitcher.

Speaker 6 (01:33:22):
Yeah yeah, I think bats get hot and bats get cold,
pitching not so much. But this team has gone absolutely
cold at the plate for two months. I just don't
know where do you just dial it up and all
of a sudden find that bat.

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Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Way to slip that on. That's a professional tease right
there and read a couple things. Just a fan I
come on and have shep screaming, get off my lawn,
Honolulu eighty five shep. It makes sense if he wasn't
the reason for their loss.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
He's talking about I assume Riley Green because we were
talking about captains. I don't want to misread that. But
he didn't really give much of an explanation unless he
thought maybe it was steric schooble. But Green did hit
a solo homer for what it's worth, I know it
gave him a two nothing lead. They couldn't hold it
in a blue in five to two, JV had five pitches,

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never willingly gave the ball up, laugh out loud. There's
a lot of really good ones. Tigers playing with no
grit and no sense or seem like they're tires something.
Get off your ass, Tigers, let's go and Shep might
be right Dingler in the future, and a few other
ones about the Detroit Tigers and their struggles. SHEP is

(01:39:26):
DCAFF coffee. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
What does that mean?

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
I like this one? Or if we need a Gibbie
refuse to lose attitude.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
No doubt anybody great story about him wanting to fight.
Cliff Johnson meet me up there in the tunnel, big boy.
You'll see what happens. Cliff Johnson never showed up. I
don't know what DCAF coffee means. What does DCAF coffee mean?
Is that a bad thing? That's probably a negative thing.
Before we get out of here, you wanted to talk
about free agents and Detroit being a destination site. Why

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is that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
I kind of just went along with the you knows
this city cheap? Two players want to come here. There's
been a narrative, an anti Detroit narrative as long as
I've been a Detroit sports fan.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
From outside the city or inside the city.

Speaker 6 (01:40:12):
I'd say both, but more so outside of the city.
I think that there's a lot of Detroit fans that
think people don't want to come play here. And I
think that almost all forty nine states have this misconception
of our great city and they think that no one
wants to come here. It's like the equivalent of going
to Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Do you think we feed into that by saying it ourselves?

Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
I think some do. I mean, for me, I love
showing people my city. I travel extensively around the world
and around the country, and I tell everybody how great
our city is and the reasons why you should be here.
I think, at the end of the day, though, that
the cold climate, the murder capital of the world back
in the eighties and nineties, and just the overall economic

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state that we've been in up until the last ten
to fifteen years, it was easy to pile on that narrative. Now,
do I find it necessarily true?

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
I mean, I don't know how you. I don't know
how anybody. Maybe they could use the example of it
not being true. There's you know, Houston wanted Bregman two uh,
and they offered him a lucrative deal and he turned
them down and went to Boston. I think there are
a lot of examples where people would be wrong if
they said free agents don't want to come here. Okay,

(01:41:28):
and I'm talking about big name, good name free agents. Okay,
Chauncey Phillips wanted to come here.

Speaker 6 (01:41:33):
He wasn't a big name free agent.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
But Chauncey Billups is a good player, sure, Okay. Antonio
mcdce wanted to come here. Well, we've just been a championship.
I'm giving you, but we had just Derrick Rose came
here at the.

Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
End of twilight of his career.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
Well, if we're going to put little no no next
to everything, we can do that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:56):
If you're talking in the prime ready to leave. The
Pistons basically have never signed a premier free agent that
offseason brought him in except for Blake. I'm broken Griffin.
Now did he give us a great year.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Career?

Speaker 7 (01:42:12):
God?

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
Such trash.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
But when you look at you look at all that
was a trade though, yes, that wasn't There was a
free agent side, but I mean he.

Speaker 6 (01:42:20):
But then he signed to be here long term. But
my thing is is when you look at at outside
of the Red Wings during their run, no team has
been able to attract the premier free agents to Detroit,
not the Lions, not the Tigers. Outside of Fielder.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
I thought Prince Fielder was a pretty was Tory Hunter
a free agent? David Price to Hunter was a free
agent Price David Price was a trade.

Speaker 7 (01:42:46):
That's when Austin Jackson left the field. But I do
have a question.

Speaker 8 (01:42:53):
Do we think that free agents don't want to come
here because we've sucked for the last decade.

Speaker 6 (01:42:58):
And no one's going to come to a losing Well,
I'm going back to in the eighties and nineties and
even here, well I'm talking to like, yeah, when the
when the the Lions were good, big time free agents
didn't want to come here. When the Pistons were good,
the big time free agents still didn't really want to
come here, you know. I mean we built differently, and

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so did Joe. He went and he found pieces that
were mistreated and forgotten pieces elsewhere like Chauncey and brought
him in and things like that. But during the during
these good or bad teams for our franchises in their history,
it just has never been that destination where like, well,
can you can you give me talking about Miami, LA

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and Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
Can you give me an example of the guy who
was a big name who didn't sign here that you
thought we missed out on.

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
Well, I don't think we missed out on them, because
none of them were even in the conversation of coming
to Detroubent.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
But like who so like the Lions has signed Golden Tate,
dre Bligh. I'm trying to think of the guys I
covered Steven Tullock, Glover Quinn, James Stewart, whether you think
about him or not. I mean, how do you feel
those were those were good enough names? They weren't. I

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wouldn't say they're.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
Those type of Lions signings I've been used to my
entire family.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
But you do understand in the NFL usually you're getting
those free agents at the back end of their career. Okay,
So that's why I ask you, can you give me
the player Marvin Jones?

Speaker 6 (01:44:34):
Well, know what I'm saying. That's the one that was
like a big money Henry Thomas.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Mary Thomas was a big name, huge but he was.

Speaker 6 (01:44:42):
But to me, they're not the premier names, and Piston
or Detroit franchises have never been in on the premier names,
except for when it was hockey time.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
But nobody's My point is nobody's training Aaron Donald. That's
why I asked you for the name that the Detroit
missed out on.

Speaker 6 (01:45:02):
Were we in the conversation?

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
For No, we were not not even close. But there
were only four teams in on that conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:45:10):
Sure, but we were definitely now nowhere near even being
mentioned in that conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:45:15):
Hey, Gordon came here.

Speaker 7 (01:45:17):
Oh, I was gonna add that one.

Speaker 6 (01:45:19):
Don't you damn don't dare compound?

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Somebody wrote Bregman And as I said, they offered him
a lot of money, he took more money person for
this season in Boston. Remember, his hometown team offered him
a lot of money too, and he turned that team
down to So Detroit was and he's admitted this. He
thought he was coming to Detroit until the very last moment.
So when you say they're not even in the conversation,

(01:45:49):
that's a sample of they were in the conversation. That's
why I asked, I.

Speaker 6 (01:45:54):
Don't put Bregman on that. Like Bregman's going towards the
end of his career, he's passed to prime, but you're
still a great player.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Free agency in baseball doesn't happen until you got six
years of service MLB service. Most of these are cards
twenty nine.

Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
I gotta be honest with you. You are a staunch
supporter and defender of all of our teams. But if
you tell me in the last forty years that any
franchise outside of the Red Wings for a fifteen year
period were an annual contender to bring in premier free agents,
I think you're crazy. I love you, I respect you,

(01:46:29):
been listening to you my whole life, but I think
that's crazy. We've never even been in the conversation. Yes,
on occasion, there's a mcdce, there's a bragman, But when
we got mcdce, it was when he was a jump shure,
not when he was dunking out on people.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
You know why nobody got him when he was dunking
out on people, for sure, because somebody drafted him, developed
him and realized us he was one of the better
players in the league. My point is that's why I
asked you specifically, and I don't mean to sound like
a Staunch report, you know, supporter of every Detroit team.
I'm just saying, when you got the opportunity to get
these players, usually they've already gone through their contracts, that

(01:47:07):
they're at their tail end of their careers, or they've
matured in their career a little bit, especially in baseball.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
Now, what we're seeing right now is Brad Holan's paying
the guys.

Speaker 9 (01:47:16):
He drafted because they made the right selections, right, Kay
Cunningham just got the bag. Oh, we drafted and they
had opportunities to do this. And what created it really
wasn't the chounce Billium trade.

Speaker 5 (01:47:27):
I think that definitely has a lot to do with it.
But what did they also do in the draft? During
those times they had some fumbles and I think that
that that plays a big thing in it. How did
those four pistons come together?

Speaker 9 (01:47:38):
They brought together pieces from the outside, and they just
happen to get guys who were on their like first
or second contract that their teams just get were like,
you know, we're just kind of done with this guy.
Chouncey was one of those guys. Rip was one of
those guys because he played the same position as.

Speaker 6 (01:47:53):
Lamber was one of those guys. Rick Mahorne was one
of those guys, John, And that's how and that's how
teams have had to build here. But creatively, we don't
just get to open up a check book and be like, hey,
we're the Dodgers, this guy will come here. We're the Lakers.
This guy wants to come to La.

Speaker 7 (01:48:09):
We're the Heat.

Speaker 6 (01:48:10):
They want to come here.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Oh, you're right about that.

Speaker 6 (01:48:14):
Yeah, And that was when that was when all of
a sudden, Mike Elich was like, well I had fun
with the Red Wings, maybe I'll.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
Open up the checkbook for the Tigers too.

Speaker 6 (01:48:23):
And that was the only window I've ever seen outside
of the Red Wings, of course, where this team said, hey,
f it, We're a destination. We're gonna go pay and
we're gonna go get it. And hats off to Mike
Ilitch because he brought the only meaningful baseball to this
town since eighty four.

Speaker 5 (01:48:39):
Yeah, Sebastian says, Tracy.

Speaker 6 (01:48:41):
McGrady, stop it. You mean when he went to or
before he went to Orlando, or when he was a
shell of himself with three knee replacements, he had a.

Speaker 8 (01:48:54):
Dunk and I think we'd have so much fist and
stock we said we.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
Weren't, which says we were.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
If it weren't reeled in, it would be all and
we'd hour.

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
Is there is there a football team in Detroit right now?

Speaker 7 (01:49:08):
Are they any good?

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
Did they play over the week on Monday? Speaking of
that football team, did you see the Pro Football Focus
grades from the Monday Night football? I shared them with you,
right kool aid? The Pro Football Focus grades. I can't
believe It's there's a part of me that says I

(01:49:30):
have lost all respect and I don't want to ever
refer to Pro Football Focus again because of where they
had members of the Lions like that. That Lions offensive line,
the the two best tackles supposedly had the best grades
of any tackle in the league for the weekend. But

(01:49:53):
Pro Football Focus has got Zave Flowers and some of
some of the great performances by the Lions, and I
can't figure that out. That was to me, that's ridiculous.
But it was interesting what Dan Campbell had to say
about Terry On Arnold on the flagship station in Detroit,
and that is that Amik Robertson's gonna get a little
bit more time. We said this on Tuesday. We said

(01:50:15):
this on the Brillan Edwards show that that was expected.
So moving forward, not that you bench him, but he's
going to play sometimes and sometimes he's not. There's going
to be more of a mix when it comes to
that starting corner. I know we've got some super chats
that we want to get to kool Aid fire away,
and then we'll get to the uh, we'll get to

(01:50:36):
the mailbag, buddy, I.

Speaker 5 (01:50:36):
Was gonna say.

Speaker 9 (01:50:37):
Michael Werry are one of our resident vets in the chat,
is encouraging his chat family to reach the light goal.

Speaker 5 (01:50:44):
He says, come on, chatlets please, let's.

Speaker 9 (01:50:47):
Get its button. Shout out to him and Dante one
five to one. Miss a super chat. Mister, just chat himself.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
He says.

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
Thoughts on players doing podcasts, I know Seth is gonna.

Speaker 9 (01:50:58):
Like this one that if you're getting burned because the
new podcast of t A and Past Certain is actually
a fun listen?

Speaker 6 (01:51:06):
Is it really t A and Pat Certain? You know
that's a good show. Wow? I love that tandem.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
Yeah, I do you. I'm glad somebody does.

Speaker 6 (01:51:14):
I didn't they play together in Alabama?

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:51:20):
Yeah, And they're both quick witted, big boisterous, big personality guys.
It would be a great show.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
Would I would love Terry On Arnold to get better first,
Maybe I'm there.

Speaker 6 (01:51:32):
I don't think Tyran Arnold is that bad man. Like
everybody's upset about that Davonte's Walker play. Davonte's Walker is
an absolute burner, and he kept him out of the
end zone. That was the design of the play was
to stay behind him. And guess what happened after that?
They didn't score.

Speaker 7 (01:51:50):
Four?

Speaker 6 (01:51:50):
We held him.

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
I've supported Tyran Arnold for a long time. The quarterback
percentage against him, the p I s, those situations, the catch,
the number of times he's been targeted and catches against
him are concerning. And if he wasn't that bad, they
wouldn't be making this move. So if he was all

(01:52:11):
that and a bag of chips, a meek Robertson would
still be your nickel corner. Somebody had in the chat.
Bray decided to stay home. Just here to remind Sheep
that he and Bray lied about calling Lions fans scared
of Ben Johnson. You're a liar. The evidence is still available. Ills. Yeah,

(01:52:34):
I would like is the is that was that true?
Did we say we're I said all we heard is
Ben Johnson left and right from the national media going
in and I am so sick and tired of that,
and I can't wait till the Lions beat the hell
out of them. And I'm your And then I started
the show the very next Monday. You try and wipe

(01:52:54):
the smile from my face.

Speaker 6 (01:52:56):
Notice he didn't say that while Brayley was here.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
Uh, I think he said it before. Fairness to him,
I'm trying to give him a little bit of credit.
I don't recall saying Lions fans are scared of Ben Johnson.
I do think Lions fans overplayed their hand with Ben Johnson.

Speaker 6 (01:53:10):
I remember fans were scared of losing to Ben Johnson exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:53:14):
That's the point, okay, Effectively that the nervousness that some
Lions fans were feeling, Oh yes, because of Ben Johnson's
not there?

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
What are we good? What did they say after week one?

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
That's because of the national medium narratives. Yeah, I think
that's fair. I don't know if that means we were
saying they're scared of Ben Johnson.

Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
I was just as scared of losing that game as
I was scared of losing the Stafford game. Because I
didn't want to lose either one of those damn games.
I wasn't scared of either squad. That's certainly not scared
of the Chicago Catfish.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Fair enough the Chicago Catfish. All right, kool aid more, buddy,
go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:53:51):
Yes, we got a Tiger's one.

Speaker 9 (01:53:53):
I'd say this one from early but Randall Small's got
a right back into chat and rand says, should the
Tigers think about starting Troy Melton?

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
Yeah, I would think about starting him as a back
end uh starter in the playoffs if they make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
I think if you were to start the playoffs today,
Scooba would be one, Mice would be two, Flairty would
be three. I would have no pitching chaos four. I
would have no but I would start melting.

Speaker 6 (01:54:23):
Yeah, you give him three innings and if he's cooking,
give them five. But otherwise that's the pitching chaos game
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
I'm sorry. Jordan says, what did Dan Campbell say about
t A? He said, he's he's got some things to learn,
he's got to work on his craft, and he is.
They're gonna look at all. In so many words, they're
gonna look at all options and try and make sure
you know they put their their team in the best
position to win. He's gonna play, but a meek Robertson's
done some really good things. We're gonna watch him play

(01:54:52):
a little bit more too. Especially that's that's putting it
in a synopsis.

Speaker 6 (01:54:56):
I have no problem with them utilizing more of that
secondary and just keeping the other guys fresh. At this point,
you know, terry On to me has been thrown into
the fire and then continue to stay in the fire
because of the injuries last year, guys saw more one
on one play than any other corner last year. You're

(01:55:16):
gonna learn from that. The PA against d.

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
Hop that was a PI excuse me, yeah, the past
interference he had his arm pushing Ta's arm, which then
got kind of underneath his helmet.

Speaker 6 (01:55:31):
I didn't really feel it was weird. I didn't think
it was his typical pass interference that he was guilty
of last year. I know people are very critical of him,
but at this point, the Lions were so efficient. I
saw this efficiency ranking yesterday about what they did on
Monday night that Lions fans have to nitpick something. They

(01:55:52):
missed four tackles, that whole game. They hit the preferred
target on all or all three of their fourth down conversions,
and I believe it was like seven of nine they
went there on third downs. This team, their execution on
Monday night. I don't think I've ever seen a game

(01:56:13):
that up and down. Every single aspect was as complete
as what I saw out of the Lions.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
It was really impressive. I still don't think that we
still have to address the Tyrian Arnold his situation. He
can be there all he wants. I don't care how
much one on one he faces. That's the defense that
they play. And you cannot be a number one corner
in the National Football League unless you're good at mande man.
You can be a number two. You might be able

(01:56:39):
to name Nickel, but this is what Detroit does. Detroit
plays a lot of man de man defense and that
requires a lot of pressure on the corners. Here's what
Dan Campbell said on the flagship in Detroit. Every young
player they have ebbs and flows of their career or
of a second year, things of that nature. So he's
gonna be all right. We're just going to keep working

(01:57:01):
through it and look, probably use a meek on some stuff.
A Meek's a good player, so we're gonna mix it
up just a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:57:09):
Do you know how many yards went to the wide
receiving cores of the Ravens one hundred and twenty three yards.
Zay Flowers had thirteen, DeAndre Hopkins had thirteen, Devonte Walker
had one thirty four yard play That was ontarion where
the whole the whole point of that defense at that
point was don't let him get behind you, don't let

(01:57:30):
him score touchdown. And guess what they didn't score touchdown
on that drive. It was the linebacking corps that hemorrhage points.
Mark Andrews had a game. It was Rashad Bateman, who
wasn't being covered by TA that had the most yards
for them sixty three.

Speaker 4 (01:57:45):
You realize, though, he has a one hundred and thirty
point one passer rating against that is the worst in
the national.

Speaker 6 (01:57:52):
Exept from your boys over at PFF.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
No, that's actually for next Gen Stats. Next Gen Stats
wrote that all right to me.

Speaker 6 (01:57:59):
They just keep going at him because they don't want
to go to the secondary. They don't want to throw
it in the middle of the field at all. And
most of the stuff that I see ta get get
beat on. It's out on the edge. It's out on
the outside because that's the only place that teams can
throw against this team.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
Well, he was targeted six times and gave up four catches.
I think the reason they're picking on him is because
they're avoiding DJ Reid and the same thing happens.

Speaker 6 (01:58:25):
Wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (01:58:26):
Okay, wrong with that. Yeah, somebody's got to get targeted.
I get it, And like I said, I like him too.
I predicted before the year wrong for the soul so far,
I predicted he will show he's a number one corner.
When a quarterback rating is one thirty point one and
it's the worst in the National Football League amongst all corners,
that's pretty glaring.

Speaker 6 (01:58:46):
I'm curious to see how a meek Ferris, smaller guy
has been able to be hidden a little bit in
the nickel and a tremendous play. I'm not taking anything
away from him.

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
Pretty damn good against Jefferson, But they're.

Speaker 6 (01:58:56):
Going to target him in this if he's out there instead. Tea,
like you said, it's not going to be DJ kool Aid.

Speaker 4 (01:59:03):
Can you finish it up for us?

Speaker 9 (01:59:04):
But hey, yes, sir, I can't. I see We just
got a four ninety nine super chat from mister act
like it. It looks like it might be BARRYE. Sanders,
or at least it resembles that in his avatar too
so love that hear me out. Maybe Scott Harris didn't
trade bat prospects because he knew the core quote unquote
carpets are green and torque medals were not consistent hitters.

Speaker 6 (01:59:26):
Thank you for the super chat, brother, Amen, because they're not.

Speaker 14 (01:59:30):
They're not.

Speaker 4 (01:59:31):
I guess I would ask them, why wouldn't you make
a trade if you didn't think that they were consistent?
Why wouldn't you make a trade for somebody?

Speaker 6 (01:59:37):
Because he didn't feel this was the year?

Speaker 8 (01:59:39):
Oh my god, they had the best record.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
I don't care if you have first team to first
team to thirty wins, first new other Tigers team in
history at the.

Speaker 6 (01:59:52):
All, they had better than all of us. Management knew
what they had better than all of us. If they
thought they were a World Series his team, they would
have bought more pieces they shows long.

Speaker 4 (02:00:04):
Term over twenty five than you. I assume based on
that logic, you will not complain at all, not complain
at all about what took place at the trade deadline
or what this team does in the postseason, if it
makes it right, you wouldn't You won't complain by what
about the off season?

Speaker 6 (02:00:22):
I didn't complain that the trade. Mind, I was the
only one here not complaining.

Speaker 4 (02:00:25):
In the offseason. You do we think they're next year
is the year?

Speaker 6 (02:00:30):
I've said that multiple times, and I've said something just
because a like Bragman would have for sure came here
if we had two years of success, not two months
that snuck us into the playoffs. And I believe that
what we saw this year, what the nation realized about
this Tigers team is that yeah, they're not the Dodgers,
but they've got a hell of a young team and

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they've got even more coming up from the minors. So
to me, I think that this is more of a
destination city and team because of that success. They didn't
have that success coming into this season, So that that
for me was I think partially the guys that they
had available to them that were willing to come here
versus what they saw on the miners, guys that they

(02:01:13):
feel they can depend on in twenty twenty six. And
I don't have an issue with what they did at
the trade deadline. I would have liked to have seen
some of the old guys.

Speaker 4 (02:01:21):
So just so unclear. Alex Bregman said no to the
Tigers because they needed two years of success, but said
yes to Boston, who finished dead last in the division
two years ago and last year was a five and
a Red Sox. Oh, the red size I got.

Speaker 6 (02:01:35):
It's the Red Sox.

Speaker 4 (02:01:37):
Ok.

Speaker 8 (02:01:38):
All I'll say is is I don't care if it's
if it wasn't playing or anything, but if you have
the best record in any sport, yeah, I'm going for it.
I'm not saying you've got to get rid of every
single prospect, sell everything, but I'm gonna give myself a shot.

Speaker 7 (02:01:54):
I mean, you have the best record, it's and Suarez.

Speaker 6 (02:01:58):
Change everything for this team.

Speaker 4 (02:02:00):
No, but oh, I think he changes an awful lot.
And he has not been great for Seattle by the way,
but he changes a lot because of what how much
longer you have make that lineup the guys around him,
and he gives you an everyday third basement if you
want to see Andy A. Banyas and Zach McKinstry and
when healthy, Matt Vierling sometimes Trey Sweeney sometimes heavier bias

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at third base.

Speaker 6 (02:02:23):
I'd love to have he eat it up, love to
have him.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
Yes, that I think. I do think that would make
a big difference. We are overtime.

Speaker 9 (02:02:30):
My apology one one quick one though, sorry, go ahead,
one quick one for the overtime.

Speaker 5 (02:02:34):
All right.

Speaker 9 (02:02:36):
Five games ago he said, forget the division? Are they
making the playoffs? Those Detroit time's greatly quickly? That is
a great question.

Speaker 4 (02:02:44):
Houston's only a game back of that final wild card,
and they're playing in Boston, which has something to play
for as well to hold on to their wild card.

Speaker 6 (02:02:52):
So kool ay, give me some corn bread because the
Tigers will be in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (02:02:57):
You know what, let's go. I'm drinking the Tiger's Kolander.
I think they're gonna get in there. What about you, Ryan?

Speaker 4 (02:03:04):
Uh no, bah, thanks to watching will be What about you?

Speaker 6 (02:03:10):
You don't get out of here without it?

Speaker 5 (02:03:11):
Come on, hold on, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:03:13):
I said they they're gonna win the division a long
time ago, and people in this chat, and rightfully so, said,
come on, are you kidding me? They were up by
fifteen games. I picked him before the year to win
the division. I picked him before the year to win
to go to the Alcs. Don't know what I would
I would stick with that, but this team has given
me great pause to do just that. Ouse don't forget

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