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Speaker 5 (00:50):
I missed you, Yes, I missed every one of these guys,
but I am so glad to be back on the
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my friend?
Speaker 6 (00:58):
I'm doing good man? You got welcome back. Like the
show has a new format, it's new structure. So when
you disappear, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I'm trying to it's the wheel.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Exactly all right. So how I was going to run
the show today now last day.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Yes, it was fun, has some good interesting conversations, but
I ready dived into the menusia that his sport.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I was driving by our studios earlier. Ricky, glad you're here,
kol Aid, great to see you. Stick is in with
us as well.
Speaker 7 (01:22):
I was selling studios earlier, look like a Magamond, and
I saw.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
A yellow nineteen seventy two Corvette park in the previout spot.
Once I realized it wasn't Stick because he doesn't do
that commercial. Once I knew that it was too small
for it to be your car. Knowing that show there
were no you know, tobacco stains on it. From Sean Beliegia,
I'm thinking what had to be somebody who was in
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here at Lady James, and I thought to myself, man,
that is a good looking car. What's your favorite car?
If you could have any car? Braylen's probably had his.
I've never had mine. I probably will never have mine.
Just a quick show from everybody here on the show,
what's your If you could have one car in your
life right now, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Fifty seven Shelby GT.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Like I've always been attracted to the Eleanoris aka from
going to sixty seconds. It was something about that car
was just the power forward back in the fifties and
the sixties.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We're talking about four versus.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Right there.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
That right there that just sounds like even though you
can't hear, you can see it. You know, it sounds
like a grimin you know, it may be it maybe no,
but this car is just perfection. This was this is
before it was producing machines that were just the way
of the future.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Man, dope car as fast as I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
What and wanted no part of that in the fifties. Man,
it took them a while for Endzo to kind of
rethink his strategies.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
That is, that's a beautiful seven Shelvy GT. You know,
I could be persuaded there, Ricky, what's your favorite Dodge
Viper black with the racist stripes.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
I don't really care what what what color the stripe is,
but that was like the sign of ninety five, probably
when it is they stopped making ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I think year right before two thousand.
Speaker 8 (03:09):
I want to say the year before the last one
was my favorite one, but that that was my head turn.
Speaker 9 (03:13):
That stopped me every single time when I was like, yeah, boy,
that's that's maybe.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Not in ninety five. That is a super brand Tarismo version.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
We're going suit up car.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I want to like a muscle car.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah, okay, that's there's a lot of tystosterone going around
the room.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh yeah, you need that at times.
Speaker 10 (03:37):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I love that. Man. If I had the money, i'd
buy you one.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
But I how about you still're still time Ricky.
Speaker 11 (03:46):
We're foodies, man, we're food bros. And you know what, now,
just realize we're also muscle car bros. To die in
the rooms is an engineering picture.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Thanks for being so.
Speaker 11 (04:01):
He was part of the original team that kicked it off.
His team. He led every wire that was in that
ninety two Dodge Viper, the blue and white. He put
every he designed every aspect of the wiring.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Things nasty tapped into the papacule.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Right, I'm very nice, very nice, all over work.
Speaker 11 (04:27):
You know what shep man, he got.
Speaker 12 (04:29):
TANGSD won't have any Corvette love, Yeah, I would say,
I would say the nineteen between nineteen are between nineteen
fifty eight and nineteen sixty one, any of those corvettes, Okay,
but the fifty eight.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Corvette for me is pretty special. It's a beautiful looking car.
Not that it's as fast as the ones. You just
said something about that car right there that makes me say, wow,
gotta have it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And I think it's awesome when I see this car.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
I just I just see coasting down in pH in California.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
You got got the beach ball in the back seat,
playing some playing some Kendrick in the whip. You know,
I'm getting ready to pull up on the on the
beach with a with a nice something in the passenger side.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Soft little softly Kendrick is a playing right there. You
got a little cooler. You got a little cooler in that.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I can promise you this. No one would eat my car.
If that were my car would eat this is that,
no one would drink.
Speaker 11 (05:28):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And as much as I love my two Golden Retrievers,
neither one of them, that vehicle.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
First of all, that car right there, like you get
that that's an invite vehicle. That's not like we're going somewhere.
This is the car we're taking. You jump in like
this is an invite vehicle. Like this doesn't come out
like this is an invite.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Now everybody can just jump seeing that store, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Not everybody can get in that car.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
You may be my friend, but you know you may
you may be my cousin, but I like that.
Speaker 9 (05:56):
I have to love you. I love you to let
you get in that car was shadowed.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
It just just to throw for me. It really would be.
I mean when I was a kid, my dad had
always wanted a car like that. We had a fire
We had an old seventy one seventy two Firebird, right,
I told you, guys, I don't know if it was
last week or the week before. I had a couple
of muscle cars, you know, the Camaro and the Firebird.
Love those. My dad had a Corvere at one time.
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We had a mock One at one point. So we
had some decent cars, right. They weren't family cars. Mock
ones aren't our family cars. But that's the car my
dad always wanted. And I just, oh my god, I
loved it so much. I know this to sound so
stupid and geeky, but I used to have like a
little it's like a play car that I put it's
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a model car, but it wasn't plastic. It wasn't plastic. Okay,
shout out to the model cars. But I had it
on my dresser, and it's what I dreamed of having.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
That's like those silver ones you opened the door cars
kind of heaviest dicast like paint on the.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
Hot wheels kids. So I'm with you. Yeah, I had
plenty of vipers, plenty.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
I had green one with the peantum butter in terrier,
it was probably the one I get.
Speaker 9 (07:07):
I had a white one with the blue. I had
a yellow one or red. Yeah, like, I'm with you.
Speaker 11 (07:10):
You're trying, you're trying to trade vipers later or something.
Speaker 9 (07:13):
You know what they may be at my mama house.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Did you ever get in the remote control cars for
a little bit?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
For a little bit?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And I really breaking them?
Speaker 6 (07:23):
My uncle man rest in peace man. He was down
into the hobby shot man. So like for me, like
the trans like the transition from hot wheels and cars
and mone cars hobby shot putting cars together, buying them
remote to cars that win like fifty the gas power.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I wanted him to say, I know, I know a
little something at least, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
You know we're in that town too. I mean, I
don't know about you guys. I don't know if your
gear heads or not understanding. I'm not a big gear head.
Remember when I go to high school, they had a
class called shop yep, saying you could actually work. We
had like four garages at my high school, Shot to
Earth with the same district. Yeah, farm hand and you
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could pull your car in and guys would work on it.
We never took us to a shot. We took it
to my high school.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
My best buddies worked on the car.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
How how was the work?
Speaker 7 (08:15):
It's really well done those guys.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
That one of my buddies, one of my buddies, he
put a super charge end an engine in a Pluto,
one of those little pieces of crap. Yeah, we went
wheeling in that son of a gun constantly.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
I had a buddy I worked with a range of
downtown farmers and he went to farm to high school.
They used to work on cars and he still builds
BMW to this day.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Shout to Brian. That's what he does for a living.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I literally have a friend man, he has a.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Double what do you want to call him?
Speaker 9 (08:46):
He can r Yeah, the lifts, so he's got the lift.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
He can fit six cars in his garage. He read,
he read, he works on cars, fixes them up, stores him.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
He won't sell them.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I got a question. He literally said all the He said,
Mike keV, what are you doing? I said, Johnny, why
are you doing this? And he says, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I can't part with him. I said, what do you
think you're doing it for?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I don't think that's a picture of him, but I said, literally,
what are you doing it for?
Speaker 7 (09:14):
And he's like, I don't know. I just can't part
with him. What are you gonna say?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
My dad owns a car museum, and I thought I
knew all cars.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Man, What is a Pluto?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It is?
Speaker 7 (09:27):
I think I've got it right. It's an old Chevy.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Maybe I'm maybe I'm getting it wrong, but it's it
was a little hatchback. It's an absolute piece of craft.
It's similar to what a Chevette. Do you remember what
a Chavette used to look like? Okay, it's very similar
to that. And I thought it was called a Pluto.
Maybe I'm wrong there. I forget the exact name of
it now that now that I think about it, But
it's very similar to Javette, kind of like a Pacer, smaller,
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smaller than that.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Closer to it, closer to Chevette.
Speaker 11 (09:55):
I had to know, man, I had to know.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I think that's what it was.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
A Pinto.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
I'm I said, that's a stupid thing. It's Pinto.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No breaks on Friday.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
It was the worst car ever made? You know that, right?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Uh? It felt like it when I was writing it, it.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
Was like that was the one I was getting crashed
into in the gas has words.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
Well, absolutely, Who was your first car? Yeah, we went
through this.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Yeah, I had a Camaro.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Tapped out.
Speaker 9 (10:32):
Cars.
Speaker 11 (10:32):
I got interested.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So I mean, look in this area, people love their cars,
and we're right prime for the dream cruise. Right, every
car that we've already talked about our favorite car that
we could have one car all will be on Woodward
here sometimes just a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
And we're prideful because for forever, you know, we talked
about Barry Sanders.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Is all we have with Detroit Lions like four.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Automn and automobiles essentially is what is our makeup, is
what has been our identity since the you know, the
beginning of the nineteen hundred. So it's the one thing
we could always hang our hand on whatever is going on.
This is going on this is going on. We got
them cars, We have that history. So I think that's
what you say.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
It always fun, aren't they? The debates of muscle cars,
Corvette Mustangs, you know, firebirds, whatever you want to call
on it. Okay, whatever you want to say, is a
really fun debate, just like they have now debates with
trucks that are going on, which is the best looking truck?
Speaker 11 (11:29):
I love the you know what, while we're on this subject, look, man,
my wife and I was at the gas station the
other day and we saw an electric muscle car. So
you know, I got the dots challenge. I'm okay with
I gotta get your take on it. When they started it,
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it had an artificial like engine. As I were talking
about the muscle and all that, I wanted to like, bro,
just your quick take on that, like it was the
wildest thing? Is Chef's face is be willing?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I would say, no, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like part of part of the concept in muscle car
is the power and the strength that the exhaust emits.
You don't get that what he let you cars. It
may be fast as hell, but it's sexiest. You don't
even know what the car is on. It's part of
the muscle cars power, But correct.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Part of muscle cars is the guys who worked on them.
To one's plugging in a.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Muscle everything is on, everything's on the board.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Am I wrong? There?
Speaker 9 (12:38):
That's the version of a b B.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
YO.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Just compare elected to a b BL Oh my godd base.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You know what, you got it? You got it, not
like spots and let via.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I'll tell you what gives me thought anytime I ride
on some type of well, when you go to an
amusement park, if you want to try the different rides,
that's cool, right, I get it. It's been a long
time since I've done it. I've never understood why people
get caught up in these roller coasters that take you
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every which way but loose and considering the amount of it.
And there's a lot of different reports on how these
things have been gone. Go off the track, lose people,
kill people, stop prematurely, don't stop at all, get stuck,
scarce the living hell out. I don't need that type
of thrill in my life. Where do you stand on
roller coasters?
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Look, I love roller coasters as a kid. I still
love them now. The ones that I know are tried
and true where the tracks connect, and little things like that,
I'm still for I'm still here, I'm still here with
it that it seems like the sirens that are getting
stuck at the top of the apex.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Explain that because not everybody knows what the sirens.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Basically, Sirens is a new rider and see the point
where it disconnects from the track and then reci points
and then reconnects to a track. But it's getting stuck
as it's hanging over right before it drops it and
it descends, and people are legitimately having to get off
the roller coaster at the top of the apex and
walk down the steps.
Speaker 11 (14:23):
That's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's not worth it.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
And then if you're at the roller coaster, if you
at the park and you see this happen, you see
it get stuck, and then you're waiting in line, and
then you see people walking all the way down and
you still wait another two hours forward to get fixed,
just to ride the roller coaster, just to become stuck
like the last group, just to have to walk down.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I don't understand the psyche behind it.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
So this is the simpleton me. I think of people
sitting around a conference room. We all have pre production
meetings before our shows. Okay, what do we want to
hit on?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm out on it.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Most of it's very generic. We kind of just fall
into a lot of these conversations, like nobody was expecting
the cars, for example.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
But I think of these.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
People sitting around the conference room and go, I've got
an idea you in the back of your hand up, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
How about if we have a roller.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Coaster that disconnects from the tracks and then reconnects. And
then you had to have a certain amount of people
who actually said, damn, that's a good idea. What's the
insurance policy on something like that?
Speaker 9 (15:19):
What's insurance? They don't care if you're worse. It was
a consultant.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
I know.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
It's just like telegraph a eight mile when you have
to go across it, you see, yeah, yeah, every time.
Speaker 9 (15:29):
I drive past it.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
Like this was some consulting from New York and some
of the it was like, you know, what you guys
should do, And they took me because they can blame
it on just.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Bring back the demon drop already.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah, even if I hurt my knees once I got
you know, once I was thirteen, my knees no longer worked.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
It goes into your throat on.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That one, very true.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
My biggest thing is no disrespect to our amusement part
that we have adopted over the years.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Down the road and see their point. The one thing
Ohio got right, not named.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
The Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Not named the Cleveland Browns. All right, we were here,
no shots corrected, shots corrected.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
But I'm not trusting Cedar point. That's the thing where
I'm at now. If you tell me this is this
is Disney World that builds this or some empire that
I understand. The money is there, so cut the corners
will not be cut. I'm cool. We live in the
area right now where everybody's trying to create that new thing,
that next band, that next trend, and they're cutting corners
to do it. So I'm not trusting a Cedar point
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with something as complex in my mind as this. Now
Disney World or Universal Studios does this, and they got more money.
You know why, I'll try it. I ain't trying to Ohio.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
To Ricky's point. To Ricky's point, he said, consultants. I
worked with one of the more talented individuals in my
entire broadcasting career early on by the name of Joe Donovan.
He was a great news man, but he also did
really good in college football and getting ready for the
NFL is well. He just loved it on weekends. Had
one of the greatest voices in all of radio. He
used to tell me all the time, what's the first
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three letters in the word consultant? It that's all you
need to know that they couldn't do what we do.
So what do they do? They consult and their convents?
Are you gonna say?
Speaker 8 (17:09):
That's my imitation of Joe Donovan.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I hope it passed the test.
Speaker 11 (17:14):
I was just gonna say, Ricky, we're gonna have to
do the job for the people. We're gonna have to
get brillyon shep to see their point. We're gonna start
getting them out on some boots and the ground stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Man.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
Usually I'm with you, bro, but I hate roller coasters
just as much.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Hey, listen, if I want that kind of thrill, I'll
drive down the lodge.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I don't.
Speaker 11 (17:36):
I don't know what are you talking about.
Speaker 9 (17:37):
A man just stabs some people in Walmart. Life is
dangerous enough.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
So what happened in New York.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Now CT was part of that. At least that's what's claimed. Okay,
you would know this better than all of us. Our
our mutual friend Herman Moore swears he had at least
twelve concussions. Okay when he played. You played a long time.
How real is c T E? And how many people
do you know that it's affecting? Even to this deck?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Ct is a real thing, you know. It's one of
those things where once the movie.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Came out and there started to be more serious taking
h more taken serious about the matter, and people started
paying attention. You know, people started getting tests, you know,
someone obviously once they passed, and you're starting to save
those brains, and then you're doing the test on that
and you're starting to realize that younger and younger and
younger they're affected. Aaron Rodgers, excuse me, Aaron Hernandez his
brain and what it looked like. I think she had
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even bigger light to how much the dark part of
the brain that was shut down.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Basically, how do I work with that? The dark part
of the brain that was shut down.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Basically, this is the fact that was this is the
part that was affected by the CD you.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
See, Mike Websters and other that's what the movie Concussion
in case people are unaware of what Braylen's referring to
Will Smith starting the movie Concussion.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
So it's a serious thing and I think more and
more guys are are nervous. But I think the big
thing about it is because of the information now, because
of the test, I think there's starts and to do
more brain treatment, more muscle memory, more things like that
so that the brain extends, it has more quality longer.
When you just sit there and allowed to depreciate and you
don't know and you're not getting tested and you're not
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doing things, you're just allowing it to take shape take
for him and really just take you out of the game.
So it is a real thing. I think the individual
that you know took those lives as well as his
own yesterday. I think he also was known mental health
issues for years. So that's what kind of was said.
Sorry that that situation happened, That was crazy. Could have
went a lot differently, but.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Throw from Nevada all the way to New York to
do it too.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Yeah, and yeah, doing something like that, you kind of
know that gives you an inkling on you know what
could have been there, But that's tough.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
CT is a real deal. Herm.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
I know him well, he played in a different era.
You know how many times helme with the helmet. You
know that astro turf at the Silver Dome like it
was legitim It's like street with a level of old
school carpet on top of the Philadelphia back in the day.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Even Michigan Stadium. You know, my dad played on that
with Michigan.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Wasn't astro turf, excuse me, Michigan was the same thing
as a silver Dome.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But those heads, man, they rack up back then.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, you always used to think. I remember when I
was a kid, our dream was to play at the
Silverdome in a state championship. Never got there, but we
did play a regular season game there once. I was
thrilled to go out there and play, and I remember
getting hit falling on that rug for the first time,
thinking to myself, Holy crap, I might also be being
tackled on concrete. That's how bad it was. So obviously
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it's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
There's no silver Dome.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, I think I remember.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That divine shout.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, so real quick, I mean you mentioned it's a
real thing. Absolutely, how many. How often is that discussed
with players?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
You know, I don't know I would have while you
played as well. They didn't talk about at all when
I played. You know when I tapped down twenty fourteen,
that we weren't having these kinds of discussions yet. I
think concussion came out two thousand, was it boom?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
But you knew it still took place.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
We did, but it was still the old school warriors
like want I signed up for us out of line.
I knew what this life was going to bring me.
I knew what the possibilities were. If I'm going over
the middle to make this five million dollars and Ry
knocks me out, Well, it's just like any given Sunday
with Charc Labay aka Lawrence Taylor. I got my million dollars.
That was a concept back then. You know, I know
what I'm getting myself into. Now there's more education. Now
(21:19):
you don't necessarily have to go about it as barbaric.
And then also now you don't have to stay and
play forever. You know, Luke Kickley, Patrick Willis, those are
some of the first players to say it's not worth it,
you know. And Wes Welker, I think he was one
of those kind of in that transitional era that you watched.
Wells had a ton of concussions and to watch him
in the games, you're knocked out. We gotta change the
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game up a little bit, and I think the NFL
has it done as well as they can do. You know,
this is about as two hand touch as you can
get without it being.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Too I think my frustration with the NFL in that
regard is they promote the we all know what it is.
It's violence, okay.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
But it's what we lap up with a spoof.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
They promoted uh as do networks and then this comes
around and it's almost like they're doing a turnaround and
a double take on it. And I think it's pretty
hypocritical on the part of the national football.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
You're talking about in terms of how the NFL promotes
the hitting, the hard hitting, the action. Have they gotten
away from that because I think that used to be
the target when I play. They used to be the
Brian urlocker and you know, a Reid and.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Troy po.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
Receivers. I feel like they want the personalities to dance.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
They have shifted that, You're right, but it's still there.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Look, let's face it, when we all watch it, we're loving.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
The big hits. That's because from.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Okay, we're seeing the we're not just seeing highlights of guys,
guys making acrobatic catch We're.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Not and I'm not saying we shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I'm just telling you I still think it's promoted strongly
enough where that's what people are looking for.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
And well, how many times have.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
We heard the phrase kill shot used during the broadcast?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
But this is but inside, I stay on on this one.
H Rick, My bad sad that I'm on this one though,
was like all right, look with that being said, I
got to give push back, like, this is what the
sport is like, this is what the sport is at the.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
End of the day.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
This sport we know is a sport where it's violent.
It is car crashes on a regular day basis. They
can only make it as safe as they can and
keep the sport intact or keep the integrity attack. So
once again, the money has gone up. Healthcare is starting
to go up in that regard. We've had conversations, but
it's more so about my era and the era after
this new era. They're getting to the bag faster, They're
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getting money faster. They have healthcare, the benefits are lasting longer.
They're doing little things that, Hey, do you want to
wear this big ass helmet with all this cushion on
it during training camp? Hey, we've even extended that now
to the NFL season. So I think for as what
they can do, they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Okay, the healthcare, I'm.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Gonna that's a big deal.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
You're right, I'll pack them on the back.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
It's as far as I'm concerned. What took it? What
the hell took you so long? I mean, that's my belief.
But at least they're doing something. I wish there was
more for the people who have who stood Wait before.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You, you'll never volunteer to spend more money than you
have to. Yeah, that's corporations. That's any corporation.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
No corporation, with the exception of Google and these newer
corporations that are maybe doing it the right way.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Nobody's going to.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Volunteer an extra two hundred million just to make sure
there's safety when people haven't asked for it yet, that's
any corporation.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Well, that's a good debate. I mean, when did they
ask for it? When should you have recognized it? When
should you you have begun when you say when should
you have begun? Recognizing the people who made your game
great deserve to be taken care of medically and not
asking you to keep paying them. I'm asking to handle
their medical bills. I don't think that's a lot to ask.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Ah, you're right.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
And to that point, when you see Earl Campbell in
Texas in nineteen ninety eight ninety nine, spend the first
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and he's the King of Texas and he's barely walking
and had to will him up there in a wheelchair
and he just retired in nineteen with eighty four, so
he shouldn't look like that.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
That's when you should have took it thereas. Yeah, when
you see guys just can't walk in and cripple things like that,
heart breaks for him.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Jim McMahon trying to do that Bears interview the eighty
five Bears, remember that, Yeah, you couldn't even remember his
own name throughout the course of the day at times
as yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
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more and more responsibility taken up by some of these
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Speaker 5 (29:15):
Bet always appreciate your feedback in the chat. It's always
good to chat with you and comment on some of
the things that we have talked a little bit about already.
Coming up at three o'clock Braylan's breakdown. Super excited for
this wide receivers, cornerbacks at camp, who's got the edge
(29:35):
and why that's coming up at three o'clock This defense.
I'm really excited for it. I'd be more excited when
it's fully healthy, but really excited for it. I'm a
big I loved watching Jack Campbell play at Iowa, Okay,
and I think I think he's going to be a
really impactful player. I thought he was an impactful player
(29:55):
a year ago. I think people judged him too early
his rookie year, because you would know better than we would.
It is a really hard transition to the NFL. No
matter how good you were in college, Hello Marvin Harrison junior.
It is hard to go to the next level and
dominate like you did at the collegiate level. High Peyton Manning.
My question is Jack Campbell has been given, according to
(30:18):
Dan Campbell, no relation that he's the coach on the
field and that it's his defense. It's Jack Campbell's defense.
What does that tell you about Campbell about this defense?
And maybe since Alex Angeloni is the guy who wore
the green dot, what does it tell you about him
if at all?
Speaker 6 (30:38):
First and foremost, you know, Jack Campbell's the guy that
took over last year whe Alex Azeloni was out. He
was always going to be a long term move for
the Lions. Now they may add another linebacker two where
Alex Azeloni is, but he was always going.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
To be a Dan Campbell guy.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
And what they saw in him last year in his
two years here, they appreciate it. They saw him getting
better last year, they saw him take strides. I told
you big thing about him. He doesn't make the same
mistake twice, and he went through that season last last
year and he put the green doun on and he
took over the personality and the defense. It stayed running
without missing a beat. They had some moments one hundred percent,
(31:13):
but for the most part, that defense was one of
the better defenses in the league statistic statistical wise. Now
you have a situation where Alex Azeloni's going through contracts
and trying to figure that things out. Jack Campbell's the guy,
He's gonna be the guy, and they wanted to run
in his image. He is a no nonsense he does
the things he's supposed to do. He's a disciplined player.
That's what you want the defense to be. Whoever puts
(31:34):
that green down on, Whoever where is that captain on
either side of the ball, you want the team or
that side of the ball to be represented by his play,
to be represented by.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
That guy carried how he carries himself.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
And I think this says that Jack Campbell, well, he's
respected by his teammates, he's respected by his coaches, and
they want the defense to play how he plays.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
How quickly did you expect him to kind of take
root in this defense and take ownership of its seeded
that timeline for you.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Yeah, he's exceeded for me, because when he drafted him,
I wasn't of the frian I wasn't of the frame
of mind that he was gonna be the answer. I
was not of the mind that he was gonna be
the guy for the Lions that one hundred and forty
tackles a year, a couple of sacks, and you know,
et cetera. I thought he was gonna buy a guy
that may have been a miss. Really, I thought he
may have been a miss. I thought the position was evolving.
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I thought they were getting away from the big linebackers
that were sixty five and you know, two fifty five
to sixty in terms of the ladder movement and being
able to get to the line of scrimmage and actually
being able to cover tight ends, cover wide receivers, running
backs that would be in the slot. But he's exceeded
what I thought he would be. He's been much better
than that, and he's grown as a player. So I
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think this is a year for him to have fun.
I think he'll have much more upfront, at least we hope,
so fingers crossed, he'll have much more upfront, he'll have
much more In the secondary, he'll have guys getting covered
down the field. He'll have more access and he'll be
free more. He won't have to shed as many blocks.
So I think he can. He can pretty much swing
away this year.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
He's faster than I thought. Yeah, okay, now that you
would know this really well. Some guys are fast, some
guys play fast. I think he plays fast. You can't
from one all my talks with NFL players are any
professional athlete, you can't overthink. You don't have time to think.
You have to process things so quickly in what you do.
(33:27):
He seems like a quick processor to me.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
You remember Owls from the linebacker Denver Bronco for sure.
I got a chance to train out there in Denver.
So I met him when I was Gate before I
got drafted fast Forward and we hung out. He was
super nice guy. All he talked about was film. That
was his message to me. He's talking about, Look, look,
young fellas, you about to get this money like train smoke,
some high up and the air smoke. Oh but he said,
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you about to get this money. Study film, study film,
study film. Film is how you get better. We played
them two years after I got drafted and I was
not the fastest guy, and even then he was older.
When I played against him, he was everywhere. So the
very thing that he told me two years prior is
the very thing that he practiced and preached.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And that's where he was. He was in every play.
He knew what was going on. It was side to side.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
And it wasn't because he was out the running four
to three. It's because he watched films. He just live
out and he plays fast when you don't have to think,
when you're instinctive and also doubt. In the film, like
Jack Campbell is an Iowa guy, you just play fast.
You're four five eight or four to six. Oh, it
drops down in time because the guys are thinking.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
How much time do you think really good football players
are spending in the film, though, on a regular basis.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
On a daily Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, and nobody's
out here spending ten hours a day.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
This isn't like Harvard, but I would say on the
all pro level, hour and thirty a day.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
Okay, that's lesson. I thought three little, less than little.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But those days add up.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
More.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
Yeah, I was in my hate I'm thinking if.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You're talking quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Quarterbacks are different like the quarterback position and maybe even
the linebacker.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's a different time frame, Like they're in there.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
All day, Like this is what they do to break
down film and figure out and see the angles, break
down defenses. What are the tendencies when the safeties rotate?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
But a position hour and a half a day. If
I'm watching film for an hour and a half.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
That's still a lot.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
That's a lot.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
After after lifting and after practicing and meetings, that's still
a lot.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
But the thing about it is people never think about
breaking it up. People just think about It's like when
I was at Michigan, I used to do a thousand
push ups a day.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
People are a thousand push ups to day.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Yeah, if you do it in between in between commercials.
I'm doing them over here. I got a little time
here in between classes. It's the same thing watching film.
I can watch thirty minutes while i'm you know, doing nothing.
I got thirty minutes over here, I'm at the crib.
The wife took the kids and love here's another thirty minutes.
You can find pockets to watch film. It You don't
have to watch it all at the same time.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
It takes discipline.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Man.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Yeah, you guys remember herschel Walker of the one of
the greatest college halfbacks of all time. All Right, curious
loved watching herschel Walker. Rook never lifted a weight in college.
Push ups and sit ups. He did it, and he
did exactly. Yes, he's a bit of a freak in
that regard. Did exactly what Braylin just said. Commercials. He
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loved watching TV commercials all nothing but push ups and
sit ups. You know he's not slowly walking to the fridge.
I don't want a yogurt closing the fridge, walking back,
doing an Al Bundy, putting your hands in your pants
and watching through the commercials. That's not what he's not.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Doing getting it in. He's getting it in.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
And those those workouts and even like push ups, they
work out everything.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Try sup back forarmed like locked In showed it.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
That's good stuff. Thanks, doctor Pierce. All Right, I wanted
to ask you a quick question. You didn't catch that,
doctor Pierce. The coaching departures. We make so much of
the two coordinators, and I get it, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glent.
Overall the Lions lost five coaches. How come nobody brings
up the other three.
Speaker 9 (37:17):
Guys because they don't know who they are.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
You, okay, do you know who they are?
Speaker 7 (37:21):
I bet your people know who Antoine Randall ell is.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
Oh, well yeah, the receiver call.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Okay, most people, the average person doesn't could name.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Okay, there's another one, an assistant quarterback coaches name.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
You'd recognize, J. T.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Barrett, but not for the reason he would like you
to recognize his name. And Terrell Williams. Those are the
other three. We hear about the two because they're decision makers.
The other three guys, I would guess are pretty impactful too.
What's the significance do you think of losing those three guys?
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Terrell Williams is the one that's gonna it. Will it
will hinder us for a while. I am just being honest.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
I was.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
I was in love with bringing him from the Tennessee
Titans land season. He has been an excellent coach in
the defensive line space for the past ten twelve years
or so.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I love the work that he did down there. You
bring him in here.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Look at what happened to the defensive line last year,
regardless of injuries or who's out or who's missing, what
they didn't get that many sacks, but they still got
the hurd still got the pressures, they still kept it together.
Even towards the end of the season, they still were
having good games against the Minnesota Vikings in the game
that decided the conference, that's because he was helping Patt
O'Connor had the game of his life two games before that.
(38:30):
Terrell Williams was a great assistant coach, and that's why
Mike ray would picked him up and took him to
New England with him. Stuff like that, Like that's going
to take a while to get better. Just look at
Antoine rendolel Amar Rod Saint Brown has been an amazing
wide receiver in terms of learning it all, watching it,
doing the film, knowing the offense, knowing the concept. You
(38:53):
know who helped him with that, well, Antoine Rennolo didn't
just play wide receiver. He played quarterback at the University
of Indiana. So now you have a quarterback slash wide
receiver NFL better than Super Bowl Champ through a touchdown
pass and Ford Field in the Super Bowl. That's who's
been working with almar Ra and Jamo and Tim Patrick
and Josh Reynolds for the past four years now he's
(39:16):
gonna So they're the ones that when you have a
good coach that you trust, the offensive coordinator is just
in charge. All I bet this is the concept you
guys put it in to your players because the offensive
coordinator trust Antoine Randolel. He knows that Antoine Rendal is
gonna give the information just like he wanted to tour,
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just like it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
For it to work, that takes.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Time, and I think it's gonna see a little bit
early on in the season them trying to figure that
part out, the wide receivers in the defensive line.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Braitlan. It's such a hard difference between us as fans
and members of the media, quite honestly, to figure out
how much of it is coaching and how much of
it is truly the player. Somebody had said to me,
KG said to me earlier, He's like, well, you know,
regarding the tiger's trade that we'll get into in a
little bit, but bringing in a paddock. They said, you know, oh, well,
(40:10):
I trust Chris Fetter, and I said, so do Why
but how's he done with Jack Flaherdy, How's he done
with Tommy Kingley? Later I don't know where to You
know how am I measuring this with the impact of
a wide receivers coach and compared to the player himself?
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Like, do I think a'man ross Saint Brown.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Would be as good as he is today.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
Without Antoine RANDALLLL?
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Or do I think Antoine randall Ell can make just
about anybody exceed the expectations you might have for them.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
No, it takes two. It takes two and tangle I'm
on us saying Brown came in his league on a mission.
He told you that we've seen that since he's been
He's put in at work his father. Everything he implemented
is we see that here and we appreciate that. But
it does take help to get to that next level
when you have a guy like Antoine Randelel that is
not only played it, not only played wide receiver NFL.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Played it at a high level, played it at.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
A super Bowl level, and then also has the quarterback elements,
So it makes you a better player. My first years
in the NFL, I had Terry Ribisky. Terry Ribisky is
the thing that saved me in my NFL career. Terry
Ribisky was a hell of a coach.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
We played.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
We were a bad team, but he was a hell
of a coach. Taught me the things I didn't have.
Those mentors. Taught me how to approach watching film, how
to approach the game, how to approach having a bad day,
like Terry Ribisky was that for me.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I love t Row But that's the same thing with
these coaches. Man. Then they leave, but now you have
the message that they talk.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
Now you have the teachings, and that's why I think
they will be okay because they take it serious.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
But it makes it better.
Speaker 11 (41:48):
Yeah, you have that guy, And I'm glad that you
did pay some mind to the coaches that we did leave,
because I know how much we did hype up when
Terrell Williams got here, when we were saying he's probably
the best in the game at that position group. And
I was gonna bring this up.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Christaserks pretty good too, and he used to be at
the Lions.
Speaker 11 (42:03):
But yeah, go ahead, yep, And I see brother Or
bought something up that I was also gonna bring up
to this and get you guys take on it. He
says they did replace elite coaches with elite coaches, which
is something Dan Campbell has been really, really good at
when he's changing up those coordinators, whether it's because someone's
leaving because they have to, He's bet ever find some
good guys. Casey Rodgers on the A D line, Scotty
Montgomery to wide receiver coach while bringing in to sur
(42:25):
Choice to running backs coach. Dan brings in elite coaches
and I don't don't.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
I don't know if they're elite. I mean, I don't
know how you How do you call them elite when
they haven't done it yet? That's number one. Scotty Montgomery
went from running backs coach to wide receiver coach. How
common is that? I'm sure it's very common, But how
effective can a guy be going from running backs coach
to wide receiver coach? I don't have that experience. Fortunately,
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we work with a guy who actually has experienced something
like that can help us. Elite coaches have left, Okay,
if if you say so, I don't. I don't know
if it e leads the right word, But very good
coaches have left. How do we know that the elite
coaches are being replaced by elite coaches? Can I wait
(43:09):
and see before I start tabbing them elite? I don't
understand how you can call them the elite right now.
Speaker 11 (43:14):
I do like the hiring of Casey Rodgers. He hasn't
pedigreed that's followed him. As it relates to that defensive line,
it makes me if you're gonna lose to Tarbell Williams,
it makes me a little bit more comfortable that you
got a guy like a Casey Rodgers there to helm
that defensive line.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
Okay, definitely, guy makes a noise in an offensive line,
you know it does. It seems as though Dan knows
how to hire. We have seen him higher coaches. We
have seen those coaches not work out, and we have
seen him remove those coaches and.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Bring in guys that eventuity will work out.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
So I'm saying, Anthony Lynn, so I trust the hiring
process for Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
But yeah, then then I would ask people aloud, why
were you so concerned? And so much has been made
of replacing the coordinators because that's been that has been
the off season comments on every breakdown of the Detroit Lions,
it's been about the damn coordinators going someplace else. If
you believe that he makes the right decisions on filling
(44:12):
voids on his coaching staff with elite coaches, then you
shouldn't have any question whatsoever about his coordinators being able.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
To fix coaching or being able to hire, rehire or
bring in other good coaches after you know you've hired
some good ones. That's one thing, but being able to
replace individuals that are record breakers, Like I think when
you look at regardless of what you want to say
and who's what and who the players were, they broke
NFL all time records.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
When you look at it that way, yeah, I get
a little bit. Okay, is it going to be the same.
Will it look the same?
Speaker 6 (44:46):
I can understand why people will have that when you
look at it from that, it's just not replacing somebody with, oh,
defensive office, is okay?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Last year? Yeah, they were record break leaning.
Speaker 11 (44:55):
I think it's important to add that way, in that
levity to the situation. It's not like what they did
last there's something that you just just brush through as
if it wasn't something special, And that, to me is
where I think the conversation really lies the people who
are now in place. Even ough case he Rogers has
that track record, he's gonna have to run it back again,
because what we do know is last year they found
a way injury or not to at least win fifteen
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games in that regular season and be able to overcome
a lot last year. So it's not necessarily going to
be just to hey, this is just to walk in
the park, especially seeing the schedule that they have. But
I am bullets on this line, so as I know
a lot of people are. But that's what makes me
real interesting to hear you guys take on this because
I know break you've seen us like you've seen coordinators come,
you've seen them go, You've seen position groups and everything.
And to me, I'm a big intrinsic guy. And one
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of the things that I do think about is Jamison Williams.
We hear him making the progress and I know we're
going to that Braves breakdown. The one on one will
be easy today when you break down the route. But
Randall lem you know, and Teddy Bridgewater, these guys meant
a lot to him. These were guys that he brought
up on it.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
But he's also brought John Moore on a regular basis
and he's up John Morton on a regular basis. Look,
Scotty Montgomery was a wide receivers coach. I believe in Pittsburgh. Yeah, so,
but that was twenty twelve. I'm not saying it necessarily
leaves you don't get me wrong. Just because you were
a wide receivers coach doesn't mean you can always be
a wide receivers coach either. There are certain adjustments in
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certain offenses that you still have to make. But for
the most part, if you're coaching a position, Braylan, is
it standard operating procedure and you just being able to
pick up where you're left off and almost like riding
a bike or what.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
It's not standard, but like when you get to be
able to coach in the NFL, you when you're on
that side of the ball, you typically know that side
of the ball. You know, if you're coaching on the
offense side of all, you're a skilled guy, like you
know how the running back terminalogy is, you know the holes,
the gaps, you know, kind of like what the expectations
of a player are saying. For wide receivers, it's more
studying maybe, but once you get it in there in
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the NFL terms, they really don't ever change, you know. So, yeah,
he was out there with Nate Washington as well as Wallace,
Mike Walla and I think Mike Wallace back then, so yeah,
I think he's bringing that same information. But you also
have NFL caliber all Pro players in that locker room.
I mean, in that meeting room. Like I'm around Saint Brown.
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You're not breaking down the game as if he doesn't
understand it. Jamison Williams, you're not breaking down the game
as if he doesn't under spand Tim Patrick. This is
year six, so you're not breaking the games. So I
think you can move around if you're still on the
same side of the ball. You're talking about a guy
going from linebackers coach to wide receivers coach. The Lord
Jesus help us.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
Yeah, there are plenty of guys who have been defensive
coaches or defensive players at one point and become offensive
coaches and vice versa in the past.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
My coaches, Eric Campbell was a dB in Michigan. He
was a dB for the Green Bay Packers. He's my
wide receivers coach.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
He's damn good.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
I would I would guess that's a I don't want
to call it an easy transition, but yeah, it does
make sense because you're studying how you're trying to beat
the other position. Right, you would guess.
Speaker 6 (48:07):
Titians and wide receivers is probably like the one I
see the most overlap line of overlap, I'll see, like,
who go coach?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Sis?
Speaker 10 (48:16):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (48:16):
The respect factor is already? Is that already built in?
Or will Scotty Montgomery even a least coach wide receivers
before it was a running backs coach? Players know him?
What will it take for him to win over that
room as quickly as he won over the running backs
coach room?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Make the trend like you got one. You have to
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
But for players, we just want you to make the
transition smooth, like like that's what coaches want, That's what
we want when you come into that locker room. Make
sure you're giving us the same information like the OC wants,
like don't get me here and make up your own deals,
or this is what we're gonna do, or this is
what I think. Let me know what the OC wants
and be able to communicate that with me and then
also have my back, like have my back like we're
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trying things out, like hey, look, Brelain, on this route.
They want you to get here, But as long as
you get here, I'll be safe.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
I'll be able to back you.
Speaker 6 (49:04):
You want your position coach to have your back when
he goes to talking to the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Regarding Shark Choice, I think that's I think that's an
interesting move there. I mean to Shark Choice was a running.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
Back in college.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
I think he was a graduate assistant in North Texas,
and I believe he's been a running backs coach in
college and a couple of different stops. The college to
pro position coach. How much of a difference, how much
of a change should there be there? Even though he was,
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you know, even though he helped out on the Cowboys
staff in the past, and he was obviously at Georgia
Tech and Texas and things of that nature, This is
a different responsibility. I guess when you're with NFL players,
what's the adjustment there for tshard Choice?
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Do you think I don't even know if it is
much of an adjustment period out of the quarterback position.
I think maybe the biggest adjustment is more so what
type of offense are you coming into? What does the
offense that you're used to, What is the defense, what
is the scheme that you're used to, like if you're
used to if you're a quarterbacks coach, and he used
the quarterbacks being up under the center. Well, you know,
there's some there's some work that you gotta do, some
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conversations you gotta have about when he's in the shotgun,
how we're going to implement that, or vice versus. That's
what Ben Johnson is dealing with over there in Chicago.
Kayler Williams has only ever been in the shotgun and
now Ben Johnson at he likes his quarterback under center
from time to town.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
We saw that for the last three years.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
So that's going to be a tough situation for Ben
Johnson and kayleb Woods in the beginning is figuring that
process out.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
Have you noticed some of the things that have come
out of Bears camp, Like Caleb Williams is talking about
personal goals and Ben Johnson isn't having much of that
at all. I mean, he's talking primarily and rightfully so
about team goals, right and footwork and the mechanics of
the position. It's almost as if Caleb Williams hasn't been
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coached properly the way Ben Johnson is breaking down his footwork,
arm angles and things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
He hasn't it realistically he hasn't.
Speaker 6 (51:15):
He was a talent coming out of Oklahoma and go
to USC and Lincoln Riley just let do whatever the
hell he wanted to do. And then he goes to
Chicago last year and more again Ebraflus didn't know what
the hell he's doing. So there is that, But this
is not reading the room like calyb If you're grown enough,
you're old enough. When you watch the coach that's coming
in Ben Johnson, you know where he's coming from. Now,
you know what the conversation is in Detroit is about everything. Hey,
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amar ros Saint Brown, you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey,
how are you able to get open on That's?
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Like, what did you do well?
Speaker 6 (51:44):
It's because the offensive line blah blah blah. This is
a team oriented space. Ben's coming from that. You gotta
drop that. You gotta drop the individual stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Find a way to bring everything to the team. Like
everything to the team.
Speaker 5 (51:59):
Speaking of that individuals, Aaron Rodgers has always been seen
as that kind of guy. You know, he's been seen
as it's a little different, a little self absorbed, loves
to see himself with a pretty girl on his arm.
Who doesn't But he'll play that field, no problem, and
he doesn't mind sharing an opinion on whatever might be topical.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
I got Aaron rodgersty for you.
Speaker 5 (52:24):
I can't wait to hear it. Because Terry Bradshaw thought
when they originally signed him it was joke that he
should be in California eating bark or whatever it is.
I thought Aaron Rodgers and I have never been a
massive fan of Aaron Rodgers, Okay, full disclosure. However, the
way he handled it I thought was brilliant. Caught talking
(52:44):
about Bradshaw being a Steelers legend, which he is, and
that he's a legend in the media as well. And
I would if he took the time to get to
know me. I think we could have a good friendship.
He actually took the high road, and it's not something
we're used to with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
No, you're not.
Speaker 6 (53:02):
He definitely took the high rod Aaron Rodgers, I'll tell
your story after this.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
To change your mind at all about him?
Speaker 6 (53:09):
What doesn't change my mind about it? Doesn't change my
mind about this is where I'm at with Aaron Rodgers.
There's Aaron Rodgers the player, and there's Aaron Rodgers the
human being.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
At the end of the day.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
It's not my job to judge Aaron Rodgers the human being.
It's only to associate with what's going on. This is
what Aaron Rodgers is like at the time as a player.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
He got hurt. You know, he's trying to figure New
York out. Maybe he'll do better. He'll be forty. There's
only two quarterbacks to ever start in the playoff game
that were forty in above.
Speaker 6 (53:38):
Hopefully he's the third. Terry Brasshaw is at that age
where he is the man. He's been saying a lot
of bs and a lot of whatever for the last
ten years. I don't know how he's still on Fox.
He's literally apologizing to two people. He's like Lee Corso,
he keep parading.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
Them out here every year.
Speaker 6 (53:57):
He's got three people to apologize for it because he's
something like he did it to Mark Sanchez, he did
it to Rob Gronkowski.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
So he's going to say these things as a player.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
I agree with Terry Bradshaw in terms of his thinking.
He is a die hard Pittsburgh still in Pittsburgh, still
pays his bills. He's got four of those Lombardies with Pittsburgh.
He is one of the greatest quarterbacks air quotes in
that era. He cares about his franchise and the Pittsburgh
still franchise in the toilet. I don't care who the
head coach is right now. The Pittsburgh still is franchise
in the toilet. You don't want to see it further
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in the toilet. From what you've seen on Aaron Rodgers
as a player, as blowing up franchises, the end of
the Green Bay deal, the New York deal, He's injured
the Ayahuasca. I understand that I disagree with Terry as
a human, and I agree with Aaron.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
You don't know him.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
You legitimately made all this conversation without talking to Aaron.
You're talking about the man and not the player. Like
I had Joe nama do the same thing to me
when I played for the Jets. Really like legitimate.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
And it's funny.
Speaker 6 (55:03):
It's centered around that I got a d u I
with the Jets in twenty ten. It was like doing
off day, whatever got d UI, We go out and
we lose. The next game, they benched me. Still had
like one hundred and twenty anyway, benched me. Joe Namath
made a comment like two weeks later, I think we
had lost another game.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
He was like, Yo, we're just in a terrible spiral
right now.
Speaker 6 (55:26):
We got distractions like players like Elvers, Like, I don't
understand how he's getting DUIs what?
Speaker 2 (55:31):
And then he mentioned it again.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
And keep in mind, this is after This is after
Joe Namath gotten to the whole little deal with Susi Cold.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
This was after that. So when he was drunk on
National TV, I like to kiss you the whole nine yards.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
So this happened, and then he had the ad say
that about me.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (55:49):
But I had an Aaron Rodgers moment where look, I'm
trying to save my career. I'm trying to put it
on a new trajectory. I got out of Cleveland. Hated
in Cleveland. I got out of Cleveland. I'm in New York.
We've had this moment. We're doing good things. I didn't
say anything about it. I said, look, Joe, I said,
Joe's a legend. I say, you know that, that's his mind.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
He's right. We gotta figure something out and I can't
be a distraction. Blah blah blah. Fast forward. Me and
Joe cool, Like every.
Speaker 6 (56:16):
Time I see Joe He purposely seeks me out. If
we're at a function together, he knows I'm there, or
he sees me in the role. He seeks me out
because I took the high road and we got to
know each other on a personal level, because I really
wanted to go in. I was like, who in the yeah,
but I took the high road because of my situation.
Aaron is now on the road. He's trying to save
his legacy. He wants to save his legacy as a person,
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he wants to save his legacy as a player, and
he wants to do everything the right way.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
This could be a rebirth for him.
Speaker 6 (56:42):
This is Pittsburgh still is one of the most story
franchises ever. If he does it the right way, even
if they don't win the Super Bowl, Aaron can leave a.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
This sounds whatever. Aaron can leave a positive taste in
your mouth after the season. I said, paulse but how
he himself sure this year? And I think he's starting
to understand that that's what happened with me in New York.
I understood, you know what sures Oh, you're right, yep,
I shouldn't have I'm an idiot. Blah blah blah, Meanwhile,
I'm trying to get the championship, and potentially.
Speaker 5 (57:13):
That's a great story man.
Speaker 7 (57:14):
So yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 5 (57:16):
I mean, Terry Bradshaw says all these things. Aaron Rodgers says,
he doesn't know me.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (57:21):
Like they've been in production meetings, okay, and that's fine.
Production meetings. You bring in the play by play guy,
you bring in the color analysts, you bring maybe some
of the crew is in there, and they're talking about this,
that and the other thing. They asked for a certain
number of guys. The last for Brayln Edwards, last for
the quarterback, wi last for a couple of other guys.
The coaches they get, they sit them down for twenty minutes,
thirty minutes, all football boom, it's gone. Right. Okay, So
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he doesn't know him, but Terry Bradshaw was And again
it sounds like I'm defending Aaron Rodgers, which wasn't necessarily
my point. But Terry Bradshaw is sitting here telling him, Hey,
what are you gonna bring him in for a year?
Oh oh no, let's not bring him in for a year.
Let's start Mason Rudolph. Let's start Will Howard, right, Okay, Yeah,
that's a good idea.
Speaker 9 (57:58):
Still sat Harry will make a great consultant.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
But I do I think, I do think Brayley's are right.
I mean, he is a stealer, he cares about the
steel is. Just remember he's he had a lot of
negative things to say about Ben Roethlisperton. He okay, so
he's acting. There's a border line of him acting like
angry old guy in Grand Terno Get off my lawn too.
And I think he's walking a dangerous line there with
a lot of things that he said recently. He said
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this on a radio station in Arkansas. By the way,
he didn't say it in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (58:33):
I will say this too, though, don't let Aaron go
up there. And Terry guy has to be careful. I'm
not saying it still isn't gonna do anything. I am
not in the mindset that it still isn't gonna do something. Sneaky,
Terry Baby careful, don't let Aeron mess around when a
Super Bowl, Terry Bill be an afterthought, which he already is.
Speaker 5 (58:51):
I'm not sure that's going to happen this year, but
that that could be, you know, one of those long
shots of Baylen Edwards before the season begins. I doubt
he wants us to take that to the house. When
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And we bat. Somebody in the chat said sixteen years
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He is.
Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
He's one of the more talented quarterbacks we've seen in
our lifetime. What we were saying is, you know how
he what.
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Was that comment? What comment was made?
Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Read?
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
The comment is.
Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
Exactly sixteen years This is from Shane Deep sixteen years
or so. So Rogers was pretty good man. Definitely a
head case, but he did have some high production. I
don't think we ever said he didn't.
Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
Thanks a lot, Captain obvious. Yeah, I don't think that.
I don't even think that's what the comment was about.
Like sixteen years. Yet Aaron Rodgers can play. We're talking
about in this space coming up on year twenty after
the last four years have been adding injury in there
and what he's done necessarily kind of in the what
are you going to be?
Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Space?
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I think that's what people were scared of with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
Yeah, he puts himself out there by some of the
things that he has said. Take that you you always
do a really good job with that. Separate the man's
on field accomplishments or lack thereof, and they're off field
persona character, whatever. Okay, you're not a ten time pro bowler,
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you're not a four time All Pro, four time MVP
or whatever it is. I think he's four time MVP
if and on a future Hall of Famer without a doubt.
If you haven't been able to do anything. So no
one's doubting his No one's doubting his ability. No one
is doubting I mean the arm angles that he could
throw at when he was in his prime. Some people
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x NFL player who said this might be the best
quarterback they've ever seen. Some people have said that, so yeah, Seman, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:05:47):
It errs in my class. So if he you know,
if people feel that way, great, that makes my class great.
But that's not what it is in terms of me.
Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
In terms of Yeah, no, I don't think there's anything
like that. All right, let's get to Braylan's breakdown. Can
we come. I'm looking forward to this. I was really
looking forward to this as soon as we started talking
about it out at Lions camp. It seems like the
corners have had the edge. But this is what we
always hear about football. Defense is ahead of offense. So
before we get to your breakdown, why do you think
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that is? Is that a cliche or is that legit?
Speaker 6 (01:06:19):
And if so, wide defense is always ahead offense and
training camp because offense, you really have to put this
offense in, like putting the offense in and working it out,
getting the rhythm, and then you're not going against How
do I put this, It's not like you're scrimmaging for
that defense.
Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
You know what I'm saying. Sorry, cool, you're in training camp.
Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
You're just putting in your offense based on your offense,
what you wanted to be, how you want to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Here's first down, here's third down, here's red zone. This
is what we want to be.
Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Here's the first game the Los Angeles Chargers, let's get
ready for that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Meanwhile, the defense, you're not scheming for the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
You're not scheming for the Detroit Lions, so when you're
playing them in this your stuff isn't for them. So
the defense has the edge. They have more success. They
know what you're doing. They keep doing the same thing.
Defense is scheming for the offense every day. Offense is
scheming for the season. Offensive scheming for the upcoming game,
the second preseason game.
Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Et cetera.
Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
So a lot of times in that regard, the defense
will be ahead. The offense is trying to find tune
things once they go scrimmaging where defense is scrimmaging the
offense and offense is actually scheaming for the Detroit Lives defense.
Then you'll start to see the offense win because right
now secondary is kicking a wide receivers. But that's the
word coming out of camp right now, you know we
had to play right here. That will show I'll stow
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on that side of the ball. The Meet robertson one,
the met Roberts let's start with the Mick Robinson one.
And I'm on Saint Brown and having some success out there,
having some success. So this is right here, this is
Met Robinson. I'm and run this corner route, trying to
start getting inside. Run the corner rout and Met Robinson.
Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Now runs the route formally takes it as well. We're
running back.
Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
That's inside leverage right there, inside.
Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Leverage, Amar trying to break hard on the outside.
Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
Usually what happens when the dB turns when Amon Ra's
going up and the dB turns when when Amara cuts
to the corner, dB gets lost or dB or.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
He's supposed to go up tie he played that perfectly.
He felt I'm all right.
Speaker 6 (01:08:21):
Stayed with him and when he was breaking he has
just hit and turn and looked for the ball and
the balls right there. So that's just a perfect breakdown.
And there's nother looking at that inside. Stayed with didn't
go didn't go for the move.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
You saw a little move.
Speaker 6 (01:08:32):
I'm trying to hit him with a little mood, get
a little inside on the post route. He didn't go
for a Meek shows you that he loves that pressman
press coverage. This is good for them, This is good
to see that.
Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
If that's an opposing wide receiver, you know what he's
doing though. He's throwing his hands up in the air
and saying, come on man, that's illegal contact down the
field on the corner. Tut his hands on me. That's
what he would be saying.
Speaker 11 (01:08:58):
Man, shout out to the lines too.
Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
The footage, Yeah, definitely, I will, I will. I would compla.
I didn't compl six what I didn't six?
Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Four?
Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Like I can play. It's like I really was egregious.
Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Okay, then, with all due respect, we all think I'm
on ross Saint Brown is a top six wide receiver.
Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
I don't want to speak for everybody. I think that's fair,
all right, Koolaid thinks he's number one, but I think
he's a top six wide receiver anything in the Detroit uniform.
Qlate says they're number one, but.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
You already know me.
Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
But but I would ask you if that's a taller receiver,
it's just just Robertson make that play.
Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
He will, He'll still make the play.
Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
He's still got the inside leverage.
Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
But yeah, but there's no Calvin Johnson walk around in
the NFL to day like he had a good position.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
He was exactly where he's supposed to be.
Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
He was in the hip pocket, he tied him, he
turned around, he did every technical thing that you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Can do on that play as a dB, and he
was and he got rewarded for it.
Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
Yeah, but if it's but let's if it's Mike Evans,
if it's J.
Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
Brown, But Mike's one six five wide receiver a J.
Brown maybe because he's a man child. But like, I
don't know, because it's not like it's not a high point.
It's not a lot of receivers anymore. To high point
the ball, old school high point. Randy Monks go up.
Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
And get it. Are very young Megatron, He's gonna go
up and get it. Not a lot of receivers getting
the ball like that.
Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
A receivers now he tries to speak or they try
to use, you know, body putting the body on you,
getting you off that way a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
So uh top six Brown, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Okay, all right, I want to want to I just
I do I find it interesting if it's a if
it's a larger receiver, and you're right about the high
point stuff. You know, the Chris Carters are not are
not necessarily in the league in that standpoint per se.
Maybe Malik Neighbors just said.
Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
I don't know, but freak.
Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
But but when you have those guys are really good
at climbing over more diminutive corners and taking the ball away.
It's it's become a very strong on skill set by
the bigger wide receivers these days. If you want to
say they're not high pointed like some of the names
we've mentioned, the one thing they do very well is
their ability to time over and pulling it back. So
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that's why I ask if it's if it's two diminutive
players and I'm not taking a shot at a smaller
wide receiver, and I'm on Rossaint Brown. I'm just wondering
if that's a bigger guy. I wonder if that's the same.
Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
I will say this though, that part right there, that
play right there by Ima rossaying Brown. And I know
we're supposed to break it down with Jamo, but that
play right there by IAmA Rossaint Brown. That's the type
of play that has people questioning, is the.
Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Top five top six really?
Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
In what's the sense?
Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
It's because of what you just said when you think
about top five rivers, who is when you think about
the guys, this is one of the knocks I'm on,
there's short individual. Does that play happen If it's a
j Brown who's in the top five, Does that happen?
If that's Jamar Taes who's in the top five, does
that happen? If that's Justin Jefferson in the time five.
Does that happen? If it's elite neighbors who's not in
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the top five. But to your point, the athletic ability.
Speaker 9 (01:12:05):
Does it happen if it's Gary Wilson.
Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
I've seen Gary Wilson do that on multiple occasions, and
so there is the only part of Amar RAN's game
that people question when you say he's top five or
he's that not me talking about the masses is because
of that play, Like when you think top five, why not.
He has to be able to do everything and Amuran
Saint Brown and one on one press covers. Do you
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trust him to be able to go up and get
the ball or do you have to run around to
scheme and get him open or let him create some separation.
Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
It's one of the unique positions if you think about it,
where you do have to be able to do everything
to be in the top five. If you're talking about
a pass rusher, if you want to be known in
the top five, you gotta get home. Nobody gives a
crap about whether you're stopped the ball. The running game, unfortunately,
it's true. Okay, the edge rushers, that's what people are
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looking at. It's about picks or pass breakups. Pbu's right
wide receivers. You have to be able to That's the
unknown category of what we're just described there. It's one
thing catching the ball. People will look at drops. I'm
on rossing Brown doesn't drop him. People look at route running.
You would know this better than I would. But he
seems to be a very very strong route runner. Is
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he physical enough?
Speaker 9 (01:13:22):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
But can he do that last one thing?
Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
It's almost like, well, if you're looking at a baseball player,
you want the five tool guy. Yeah, right, if you
want the five tool guy, does he check all those boxes?
How many wide receivers are equivalent to that five tool
guy where they can do all the things that that
elite wide receiver is supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
We had to say him figured out.
Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
But I will tell you this, Tarik Hill, who didn't
have his best year last Year's manj you some other things.
Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Who's taller Tikill that I'm on Rossing Brown?
Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
I think I'm on Rossaint Brown.
Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I know Trek Kill to make that catch because I've
seen it.
Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
As short as Tarik Kill is, I've seen him make
that catch on the sideline and jumping over people or
jumping up to make the play.
Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
And this is just one play.
Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
So this isn't Yeah, it's not an indictment on it.
Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
It's not indictment at all. I also had him in
the top five. Please don't forget the listen I just
did two weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
But I know, I know Eryk Hill is going to
make that play, saying rown I'm hoping like in Terreek
Hills two inches shorter.
Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
All right.
Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
A lot of people are really excited about Jamison Williams,
and for good reason. They thought he took a large
step last year. We did a show last week on
his praise for John Morton, how he seems to be
growing different aspects of his game. What do he got
with him from training camp?
Speaker 6 (01:14:35):
This is exactly the type of involvement that you want
to see, the evolution that you want to see from
Jamison Williams. He talked about it this year. He said,
I want to be a better route runner. I want
to get better at the little things. And we saw
that step last year. He went over thousand for the
first year, fifty eight catches, He made some big play,
had some big third down conversions. I did pay attention
to that last year. But this is what I want
to see a lot of that still raw ability. He
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was just taking off running the go route, so he's
running the slow routes. Or they got a specific play
that curl out from the slot that he ran a
lot last year, Like that's a play I want him
to be able to see him do everything create separation
and man yesterday, queue it up kool aid.
Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
So right now, go back, go back, go back, go back,
Just slow down Version.
Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Two for you.
Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
This, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 9 (01:15:21):
Just do the first move.
Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Just do the first move. Hit Paul Hurt, Let's do
the first move, line of scrimmers. This is all he's
trying to do.
Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
He's trying to run a fade stop all right, Paul, okay,
paulse all right. So anyway you want to run a
phase stop. You want to sell the route like it's
a go route, like shell. You want to sell like
it's a fade out. It is not your job to
go out there and try to fade out there and
then stop. It's the quarterbacks job. You just want to
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get a nice outside release, stay in phase, keep the
dB guessing he's sticking, fade, and then as you start
to go up, then you snap and then you get out.
Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
He snapped. He created not that much, not that much movie.
He didn't waste any space. The dB is thinking it's
a fade route, which is what you want, and a
quarterback can put the ball right on the front pieline.
This is execution because people think phase, stop this thing. Okay,
you run a little bit and then you stop and jump.
It's not the case. Face stop is an actual route.
You want to get the ball to the front pipeline.
(01:16:21):
That's what you saw on this week. We can pause
it now too, Okay, back so boom he worked. Look
work in the dB. Bang looks gets him off his square.
Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
So now he's already created the separation because he sold
the dB that he was going to go on the inside.
Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
But now as opposed to just continue to run outside,
he straightens back up. Straightening back up is how you
keep the leverage on the twenty three hit play all right,
See he's straightened it up.
Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Now he's looking for the fade fast boom, boom he
gets out.
Speaker 9 (01:16:49):
He sold it. That's what Ford can do for you.
Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
So when everyone's talking about, oh we don't need Jamo,
we can get another j Moo back in April, back
in May.
Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
No, you can't. Can not get another guy that runs
for two that is starting to understand his body like Jame.
You say, how fast he pick him up and put
him down? The dB is completely lost.
Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Now this is not Patrick certain, but guess what passer
Tain's gonna fall for this too. He is because of
the speed, because of the speed, because of the suddenness,
and because no wasted movement. He is fast, he is sudden,
he's not wasting any movement. There's nowhere for the dB
to lean on and feel like, oh, I know he's
gonna do this.
Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
What would you grade that route? Run right there?
Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
That's a A that is that's a crispy A.
Speaker 11 (01:17:33):
Look at the hands.
Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Look at that is crispy.
Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
We let that come into his body though a little bit.
I was going to say that, I don't want to
be a jerk about things. He's he's made it all right,
but those aren't hands right there, he's letting that come
into the pads.
Speaker 6 (01:17:47):
Okay, if you're gonna say that, then the quarterbacks got
put on the pipeline. I put it behind him, sure,
because we had the same situation as Mark Andrews and
Lamar Jackson, who dropped?
Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Who cares? Crodic right, who cares? I look at more
the route than I do the catch there. His ability
to find that open space, his ability to create room,
I think is really special.
Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
What habens in that two sheep?
Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Because you're absolutely correct, as a wide receiver, you want
to catch the ball with your hands.
Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
You want to make sure you use the hands the
hands of your best friend.
Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
But sometimes in spaces like that where he's reaching behind,
he doesn't know where the dB is, and if he
reaches with hands, sometimes dB can just boom, put the
hand in there and knock it down.
Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Boom, knock it down.
Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
When you do this, he put the shoulder in front
of the dB, so yeah, you don't want to catch
the body, but he blocked them with the shoulders.
Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
So now that's p I see. I love that break
First of all, it's excellent.
Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yeah, that's an excellent route. He made it easy.
Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Kudos to kool aid for getting it. Kudos to you,
break down. It's absolutely fantastic. Those of the little nuances
I love about football that I don't think any three
of us would have caught without you bringing it up
the shoulder. The ability, like first of all, straightening up
to get the corner back. Yeah, he's doing a fly.
Speaker 9 (01:19:01):
He didn't looked up right for the second.
Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
His shoulder separation or his ability to put his shoulder
between himself and the d bag that allowed him to
make the catch near the pylon.
Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
The way he made the catch I was watching the
National Championship in twenty twenty three, whatever the game was,
he got hurt and we draft him in twenty two
twenty three. So anyway, watching him in that Georgia game,
amazing balance and I thought he had strong ACLS. Apparently
he didn't, but I think we got that fix since then.
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Just amazing what he can do in terms of being
able to do. This isn't average work that people can do.
This isn't something oh, you know, well, it's it might
be fifteen. It's not that many guys in the league
that could do that in terms of the wiggle room,
in terms of the ACLS, in terms of the balance
and power.
Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
The shiftingness that low. I don't care how good you
are a dB. I don't care how good you are.
Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
You know how tough it is it's going to be
to cover Jameson Williams, if he can run like that,
if he can manipulate space like that, if he can
give himself two way goals like that, because now you're
so ready for him to go deep, you're so ready
for it to be a go route. And I just
got to take up and open up because I know
I got it wrong with him. He can put his
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foot in the ground in nine yards, at seven yards,
at fifteen yards and stop. Once he stops, you're not
stopping for at least three yards.
Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
Gonna be right. Hey, the question, yeah, do you extend him?
Do you pay him? That's the big question, and people
in Detroit want that answer. I'm not saying we can
give it to him now, nor could could Brad Holmes.
I think it'd be foolish to do. But when they're
trying to balance out who you're going to sign next,
now that you've got certain guys locked up, Brian Branch,
(01:20:47):
who you'll break down as well, because Brian Branch has
been great because you talked about how the corners have
had their way and then we just saw wide receiver
had his way. So you're gonna bring up Branch. But
people are wondering what the prioritization is for this organization.
Not that you know particularly, but when you see plays
like that and you see a young man grow the
way he has, and we have to remind people just
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how young he truly is and how he's going to
get better, you can't help but wonder if you're a
Lions fan, well, would you sign him long term.
Speaker 6 (01:21:18):
Yes, because this wide receiver room I don't trust without him,
I don't. I don't feel the same way about the
wide receiver room as a whole without Jamison Williams.
Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
With Jamison Williams, Oh my god, I love the wide
receiver rooms. I'm around Saint Brown.
Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
He's all pro.
Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
You got jam O running, he's gonna be able to
do this.
Speaker 6 (01:21:35):
You got a couple of young kids that are like
as well, but you got Tesla on Maybe what's he
gonna be?
Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
He could learn under Tim Patrick?
Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
Take Jamo and the four to two and all the
ability to this potentially could be like, who's my number two?
Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Is it Tim Patrick? Is it Tesla? Who you're trying
to tell me is gonna be the guy?
Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Is it Loveling? The young loving the young kid out
of Georgia who is doing pretty good returns? So it's different.
Speaker 6 (01:22:01):
Jamo adds an element that only three teams maybe have
in that speed. But actually now he's developed some skill
with that speed, some route running ability, some trust with that.
Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
Like that looks freaky.
Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
You take him out of there, It's like, it's Sam
Laporta gonna get me the same numbers? Is Sam Laport
gonna give me the same mis mismatch opportunities.
Speaker 11 (01:22:23):
Yeah, you know, we got some feedback from the chat
to Dante. One five to one in the chat says,
at what with sports this needs to be a weekly
Tuesday segment with Braylon Edwards. Full speed will get it
slowed down as well, because it's epic and Chef you're
cooking up some good questions.
Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
I get a microphone so I can stand up.
Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
And I'm not kidding it is it is excellent. I
mean that's what this show can bring that no other show,
whether it be on this network or any other radio
or television network, can bring. Talk about the ability to
break that down and with that video now, I would
tell you if if you're somebody out there looking to
get your company name out there, jump on board to that.
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That's what it's about.
Speaker 9 (01:23:07):
So you're saying, Stephen A. Smith couldn't break down Lebron
James game. I'm just an average sports guy.
Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Let me get.
Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
Let me get a reciprocal so I can throw up
in it real quick. Somebody else in the chat said, hey, listen,
I'm on Ross Saint Brown. I'm throwing it to him
every single time. He's a first down machine. It's a
good point.
Speaker 7 (01:23:30):
He moves to chains.
Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
Only Jamar Chase had more first down catches last year.
It's I think sometimes all the time, if you're not
saying something all the time positive about one of your
better players, people think you don't like him, and that
couldn't be further from the truth. We like him a lot.
We've said he's the top six, you say he's a
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top five wide receiver in the National Football League. We're
saying though, that in order for you to be elite,
if you want to be a top five guy, if
you want to be the best guy, there are certain
plays you have to make. And I can't speak to
it as much as a guy who played the support
at the highest level. So I'm gonna take his critique
and I think it's worthy. Look, I mean there are
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guys out there right now who w I want Bryce Harper,
what I want Aaron Judge? You're damn right, I would do.
Speaker 7 (01:24:19):
I worry about their swing and miss. Yes, Yeah, it's okay,
it happens.
Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Right.
Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
They're not robots, man, They're not perfect.
Speaker 11 (01:24:27):
Go ahead more more, Yeah, yeah, definitely. We got super
chess two of them to clean up. I'm gonna read
the first one on Michael where he sent the first
one was let's get those likes in the chat. We
need one hundred a sap right His second one he
sent me he sent to another one man. So shout
out to Michael Wherry with the two downs the super chat.
He says, chat, we got the one hundred plus likes,
Thank you guys to the support. We got there about
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ten minutes ago, so we got still thirty five minutes
to run these lights up. Let's get to one fifty'll
and then burn with the five downar super Chests says
if a Meet Robertson was on Justin Cheff for some JEDG,
you would have zero catches on the day. A Meek
has just been as kryptonite going back to the Raiders,
this is weird. Shut up to you guys, man, Thank
you guys for supporting out there.
Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
This is my thought on the elite wide receiver, and
we can drop it till the season starts and then
we can bring it back. When you're elite, when you're
a top five, your play transcends no matter what team
you're on. Like that's the pure definition of the eleague.
That's the pure definition of V five or the top five.
Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
So when you look at.
Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
Wide receivers, if AJ Brown plays in insert space, Justin
Jefferson insert space, I'm a run insert space, are you
confident that they.
Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Would be as as impactful as they are?
Speaker 6 (01:25:44):
Because once you do that, it takes out who's the
offensive coordinator, who's the coach, who's the running back?
Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
What's the scheme? Did you scheme them over?
Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
Can I play Devil's advocac?
Speaker 7 (01:25:54):
Doesn't it depend on who the quarterback is too?
Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Yes? I mean, with all the respect, you didn't have
great quarterbacks at your disposal. Don't tell me that didn't
play a factor in your production. It absolutely does. So
how can we say that it transcends if you don't
have the right quarterback. Now, with that said, I would
have been wrong last year about Justin Jefferson, who had
a hell of a year because his quarterback had a
hell of a year and his quarterback probably a big
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reason he had hell of a year was because Justin
Jefferson was on his team. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
True, you still have some quarterbacks that you still have
receivers that get yards with quarterbacks that are just okay. Now,
you still have guys like Brian Thomas Junior found eleven
hundred yards last year with the Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, who has given us nothing?
Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
Yeah? Good point.
Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Yeah you can, so you can. You can receive good receivers,
fine yards regardless, Yeah, or good players.
Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
Yeah. I just think I think the quarterback is a
the debate will Ray John forever. And I don't know
if there's always the right answer, but I distinctly remembering
taking phone calls from people. The only reason Stafford is
any good is because he's got Kelvin Johnson. I'm like,
what he's made some other guys pretty good? Did we
say that about Joe Montana? Seriously? I mean, did we
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say that about other great quarterbacks who had John mckews
a really good tight end? Does anybody say that about
Johnny and Nicie didn't? Did anyone? Seriously? When Dan Fouts
was thrown for all those yards, did anybody say that
about the people he had at his disposal, like Charlie Joyner,
like John Jefferson, like Kellen Winslow Senior? What about Dan Marino?
(01:27:30):
He had the he had the marks, right, he had
and Clayton they were phenomenal. They weren't tall they weren't Megatron,
but they were damn good receivers. Any would say that
about them? No, why is that so?
Speaker 7 (01:27:43):
I just think it goes hand in hand.
Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
I think it's really hard to be a really high
end receiver if you don't have a decent enough I
would say, a very good quarterback.
Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
What does Amon ros season look like if he's in
place of a J. Brown, because Jalen Hurts is now quarterback,
what does this season look like?
Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
I'm alright, well, I don't know. I bet personally, I
think I don't know what Jalen Hurts has to do
to impress people. I mean, he's done just about everything
you could ask for. If this is anybody other than
Jalen Hurts who sometimes has seen as a running quarterback,
look at his numbers, Look at his playoff numbers, look
at his collegiate numbers, look at his regular season numbers.
All that dude does is win football game. And you know, okay,
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and everybody not saying Braylan does, but everybody just wants
to go I'll tell you what, man, I'll take this
guy off our Galen Hurts any single day.
Speaker 7 (01:28:32):
Oh why, he's got a great offensive line.
Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Oh so if you've got a great offensive the team game, right,
the team sport, the ultimate team sport. If you have
an offensive line, punish you, Shame on you. Doesn't make
any sense to me.
Speaker 11 (01:28:44):
Look In as much as I love Jared Goff, I
gotta admit, it's still weird to see him popping up
ahead of Jalen Hurts and like quarterback rankings and such.
It's a weird thing, I get to it. He seems
to be for a guy who just won the Super Bowl,
he seems to be one of those guys that easily
gets dismissed when you talk about the elite in the
great quarterbacks in this league. They just find a way,
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at least the list i've seen to put him in
like seven or eight, and a lot of times behind Jared.
Speaker 6 (01:29:11):
Golf or like one he's black, and two like he
threw for fifteen touchdowns last year.
Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
If I don't know being black has anything to do
with Patrick Mahomes is number one.
Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Because Patrick Mahomes won three to four Super bowls. Lamar Jackson.
Lamar Jackson is doing things that no one has ever
done except Mike Vick.
Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
But he hasn't won any playoff games, and that's where.
Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Pick and people always say the same thing about him.
Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
But he's still in the top five. Yes, every person's list,
every poll. They haven't.
Speaker 6 (01:29:38):
It's just true because he has to be. You can't
negate it like Lamar Jackson in this league. You cannot negate,
Like Patrick Mahomes in this league, you cannot negate. So, yes,
they're up there. Jalen Hurts is very negatable due to
his stats, due to previous I.
Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
Think it's because of his stature. I think he's been
in the league seven years, He's been to the playoffs
seven times. He's been the top two MVP slash Heisman
twice combining his colleague. Okay, it's been a super Bowl.
His one long one loss record. Okay, regular season and postseason.
Anybody want to care to guess? One hundred Okay, just
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one hundred and nine games. What do you think the
wins are for?
Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Probably eighty eighty?
Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
What do you say, kool aid?
Speaker 11 (01:30:22):
He said that one wat thanks for paying.
Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Attention, Lisa. One hundred and nine games. Yeah, what would
his wins be? He answers eighty nine, eighty nine and twenty.
Speaker 8 (01:30:35):
I was about to say ninety eighty nine and twenty
I would have lost that price, is right, yaw yeah,
And so.
Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
To me, it's it's confusing. And look, we're all guilty
of it.
Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
We all just okay, I've got I've got the top five.
Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
Who's QB six? That's what everybody loves to answer, because
we all know who the five are, right, and then
the debate really starts at six. And to kool Aid's point, yeah,
Jared goffs in that discussion, how many people have Jalen
her not.
Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
He'll never get that credit because we'll never be able
to unsee him getting benched at halftime in the National
Championship game and then getting drafted third round. Like that's
you say what you want to that's what it is.
All the stars. You don't have that story for him.
You can't see that he started on getting benched, not
being good enough, quote unquote, having to transfer to Oklahoma
(01:31:21):
and which what did he do?
Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Came up short yet again at Oklahoma? So then now
is is he a quarterback? Is he a hybrid? Can
we bring him in? Yeah, we'll draft him, but we'll
draft him in the second third round. Struggles, So like
all people can see is got benched, struggle struggle.
Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Struggle, Oh what he wants. It's the offensive line, it's
the defense, it's how he rolls man. It's Saquon Rushes
for two thousand. Because we cannot take our minds out
of he got benched for to a tongue of Ila
and to a tongue of Ilo. Ain't that good in
the NFL? No disrespect. So if he's not and he
got benched for him, people can't see past that.
Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
That's a really good point. Personally, I don't even look
at that, cause I look at his NFL career, but
I'm the one who inserted the collegiate aspect of it,
So it's an excellent point. But I guess I would
immediately go to Tom Brady. I mean, tom Brady shared
snaps with Drew Henson. Tom Brady was a six round choice.
We're all well aware of it. Tom Brady didn't start
right away, so he was able to how many people
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look at his collegiate career where he wasn't even mentioned
in the Heisman or where he had to share time,
and that he was a sixth round draft pick. The
sixth round is shoved down our throat on a regular
basis because he's the greatest of all time. But it
is interesting how we label players or where we remember
what they do or did not do, and then keep
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them tagged with that for as long as they play.
Speaker 6 (01:32:43):
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Trevor Lawrence. Why are we still thinking he's gonna beat
his great quarterback? It's because he won the national championship.
It's because he'd beat Alabama. It's because he was a
Gatorway Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
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next coming when he paid him to under fifty round dollars.
Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
So it's the composite say they told us for so
long that Trevor was this guy. People still waiting for
Trevor to show up news flesh. He ain't coming right.
Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
He ain't coming right.
Speaker 7 (01:33:09):
And by the way, I think, I think it also
ain't coming.
Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
It also helps his size and his arm strength. We're
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see too, and you'll recognize it. And I'm and somebody
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want to move on without you bringing up the Brian
Branch example either. Now I don't want you in front
of us. I would love to see it on the
big screen and you walk me through it. If I
can stand Kenny Smith doing that, I can stand.
Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
Eventually is imagine wireless. So now imagine that I have boom,
I put on my wireless headphone.
Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
That's right, yep.
Speaker 11 (01:39:50):
As he's doing a breakdown, you can take you do
what he says, I'm gonna narrate this.
Speaker 5 (01:39:54):
So he gets back to his microphone. People there you go.
How you get off the line of script. But if
we if we have that breakdown here, you get the
pointer and you do what you're supposed to do like
you do in a in a film session. Yeah, so
Brian Brian Branch, which I would love you know, I mean,
you talk about film watching how much we fire.
Speaker 11 (01:40:16):
Me Yet, man, I got fired up with the segments
to day.
Speaker 7 (01:40:19):
You get goose gets.
Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
You think you watch film or you think you watch
a game the right way, then you watch it with
a guy who did it for a living. Yeah, it's
two separate things, like I.
Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Don't what we can't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
I don't watch games the same way I watched them
before I got into television. So for example, I watch replays,
I watch timing of graphic, I watch it for content
and storytelling, all these different ways that I watch it.
When you watch a football game while we're watching the football,
I'd love to know what he's watching, but I'd love
(01:40:52):
to show him, show us the various things that made
a certain place successful. Chalkboard, call it chalk talk whatever,
Go right ahead, Braitlan's breakdown is perfect for it. We've
got one more right. I want to tell us a
little bit about Brian branch of what you noticed.
Speaker 6 (01:41:07):
So this came out of camp, and this is something
I noticed last season, but had a couple of people inside.
Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
It's my friends that are in the business. They were
talking about today.
Speaker 6 (01:41:17):
Him not getting drafted because of his dB skill as
well as his speed is criminal. It is criminal. That's
what came up last year. Can he cover the slide receiver?
Can he cover receivers on tight ends on the outside.
It's gonna this is gonna be a problem for him,
the lack of speed and ladies and gentlemen, he's going
to be the best player on defense if he already
isn't like this is this is my this is my
take hold on, hold on, this is my.
Speaker 11 (01:41:38):
Not best in the in amongst the defensive backs. You
said best player on the defense that does have Aden Hutchison,
who they say is showing out right now.
Speaker 6 (01:41:47):
And yeah, I said what I said, Brian branch is
and will be the best player on the defense for
the Detroit Lions. The things that he's doing at camp.
Ladies and gentlemen. Uh, I'm a Ron Saint Brown and
had to catch on him in two days. Wow, this
is coming out of the camp.
Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
This is coming from people I trust hasn't had to
catch on him in the last two days.
Speaker 6 (01:42:07):
I saw some film via a phone. It's his technique,
the technique that you see in Mick Robertson. We need
to talk to his DV coach because the dB for
the Detroit Lions right now. They know what they're doing.
But I'm just excited that his technique is there. He
has the comfortability one he gets the opportunity to work
with an all pro wide receiver on the daily basis
is I'm a Rod Saint Brown, but he's locked into that.
(01:42:29):
I think the dynamics of his speed and say he
looks faster this year. He's a blitzing safety that can
cover wide receivers or tight ends, that can legitimately be
where you need to.
Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
And he is a high impact player. I'm talking about action.
That's what I was talking about. Those players are rare
these days, like they're rare.
Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
He is an old school Earl Thomas, but and Earl
Thomas like damn good coming out of Texas.
Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
He just reminds me of what Earl can do. But
I think even better in dB space.
Speaker 6 (01:42:57):
So if the trajectory stays the same, he's going to
be the best player, maybe even on his team.
Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
I just see how much different. I just see something
different than him.
Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
Let me ask you, how much do you think it
helps a guy like Brian Branch to go up against
guys like I'm on Ross, Saint Brown and Jamison Williams
and vice versa, to go up against guys who you've
already broken down, but also including Brian Branch.
Speaker 6 (01:43:20):
He's seeing all types of wide receivers across the spectrum.
You're seeing the tall wide receiver in Tesla. I mean,
he's young, so he'll be to have his way with Tesla.
But you're seeing a young, gifted physical specimen that he's
given up hep, he's given up speed, he's given up
some size.
Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
He has to rethink his inks.
Speaker 6 (01:43:36):
Jamison Williams, who he went to college with, who's already
worked with Jamo run four two and is dropping his
hips y'all better than making the stallion at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Boy, Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
So like to get a chance to work with him
on a day to day basis. And I'm on rust
Saint Brown in terms of the cerebral space. That he
plays young and he's physical. You know that's good for
Brian Browns too. Brian's a physical type of safety, is
a physical secondary guy. So he's working out with three
different types of and Tim Patrick as well, who was
a high pointer, if you will. He's learning a lot
(01:44:08):
of different skills at that dB position.
Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Not to mention he's figured the safety.
Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Part of so shout out to t Shae Townson run
so he would be the passing game, defense and defensive backs.
Speaker 6 (01:44:20):
Coach Deshae used to come to the Reggie mccamp, I
mean the Jerome Battis camp when I was going, and
eventually I helped work the campus.
Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Well, Shae was way back then. Yeah, I told you
I overlap with people.
Speaker 11 (01:44:31):
Hey, I do gotta you know, I was talking about
the defense. You did spark a little bit of something
in the chat here Lions fifty seven restorecttion p this
top three defensive players Hutch number one, Branch number two,
and number three Jack Campbell. Who would be your top three?
Bro and shut?
Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
That's that's fine.
Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (01:44:51):
The only thing about that is Ayden didn't get to
where everyone thinks he did. Like people think Aiden finished
runner up in the Defensive Player of the Year. They
think they think he finished top three. He never got
to that point because injury. So watch out, it's gonna
take some time. I heard some things out of camp
by him too, shedding blocks right now. But so you
(01:45:14):
got what brand Brian Brants won. Jack Campbell two, Aiden three.
Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
I'm not an idiot. Aiden's definitely the straw potency I
could start to drink.
Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
But when when you look at his pressures, I mean,
the guy played less than half a season. He was
still top thirty five in sacks, which is crazy, and
still was among the league leaders in quarterback pressures overall.
That's how dominant he was early on. I understand the hesitation.
(01:45:47):
I would probably put Hutchinson one branch to maybe even
either a DJ Reeder or Kirby Joseph three. Okay, I
like Jack Campbell a lot, I really do, but uh,
DJ Reid has proven an awful lot, and uh Jack
Campbell has not done what Kirby Joseph has done.
Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
Done it with this team now like he did it
with one of the best defenses essentially in the last
three years.
Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
Yeah, with that defensive.
Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Line, with being on the opposite side, he wasn't even
he was dB two.
Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
Yeah, well yeah, that's what that's He was overshadowed by
Sauce Gardner. Shout out to the detroiter, but he technically
he had a better year than Sauce Gartner. So he's
going against the number two DBS wide receivers. You mean
he's going against the number two wide receivers. Okay, I
don't know the breakdown of their of how often that
(01:46:40):
was taking place. Uh, you know, were they playing a
certain side of the field or were they playing certain
wide receivers and was always that way? I'm not sure.
All I know is that he had pretty good success
and he's looked really good in camp so far. So
I would probably just because he didn't do it Detroit.
I try not to punish him. Kirby Joseph might be
number three for me. It's it's hard to look past
(01:47:01):
what he did a year ago. I think we're splitting Harris.
I think it's a great conversation and it's fun, maybe
for the first time in a long time that we're
even able to rank as many as any players as
we have in this conversation.
Speaker 11 (01:47:13):
And it is it really is tough. I think you
can ask ten to twenty different people and you're gonna
see at least four or five combinations, because even yours,
I was like, you can't really say anyone's wrong. I
think that that's a good Problem's beautiful, the first world
problems for the Detroit line.
Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
Yeah, amen to that, So quick question for you guys
before we get out of here. You know, we get
the mail bag coming up. So a couple of things.
Two things first and foremost, Luka Doncicz looks like a
completely different person. Okay. You know when he played in Dallas,
he looked like he had breakfast, lunch, and dinner at
dunkin Donuts.
Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
He also averaged thirty three, twelve and eleven.
Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
Yeah, unbelievable numbers. Still one of the greatest players in
the world. Dallas was ripped constantly because they actually brought
that up. They actually brought up that he's not in
great shape. Anybody who watched him play a full game, Well,
I think I think.
Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
It does matter.
Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
I do.
Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
I think it does matter. Anybody who ever watched him
play record offensively gifted, without question.
Speaker 7 (01:48:16):
But how many times would you have been.
Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
Pissed off if your guys not running back and playing
mat at or defense or do you want him to
just be one type of player? I would like complete
players personally. If I'm going to pay a superstar and
he's gonna get the extension this weekend with the Lakers,
and rightfully so, it's I would like if I'm gonna
pay him that much money, I want him to play
(01:48:38):
both ends of the floor. Is that so bad?
Speaker 9 (01:48:40):
But I feel like both ends has nothing to do
with his physique. He could just play defense and.
Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
It has to do with it whether or not he
can get up and down.
Speaker 9 (01:48:47):
I mean, it doesn't stop him from what was his average.
Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
This is twenty twenty five. Like no one plays both
ways anymore. Like you got a handful of guys that
play both ways.
Speaker 5 (01:48:56):
So we've accepted.
Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
So okay, Yeah, Like to complain about to me is
absurd at this point, my guys, I think it's deeper
than just being in shape and all. They wanted me
to get in shaved and I didn't want to get
in shaved, and then he traded me, so now this
is my revenge body. I think there was a lot
of fracture in this with the Dallas matter.
Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
I think.
Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
So he got drafted by Mark Cuban, who then sold
the team. He went to the Western Conference finals with
Jaalen Brunston. Then they got rid of Jalen Brunson. So
I think for him it was like a rebellious like
they don't want to give me one hundred percent, I'm
not giving them one percent. I'm gonna do my offensive deal,
which I always do, which is gonna be enough, and.
Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
The other stuff will figure out.
Speaker 7 (01:49:31):
Okay, he's gone, that's fine. Uh, And to each his own.
Speaker 5 (01:49:35):
I just I find it, and I don't think Dallas
did the right thing by any stretch, But I do
find it rather humorous that suddenly he's in great shape
and everyone's like, wow, when you put his mind to it,
look at what he can do. That's what Dallas was
asking him to do in the first place. And I
don't think it's out of reach that an organization, when
you reward a player for as much money as he's earning,
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to expect them to stay in shape instead of eating
cheeseburgers at night and donuts in the morning. So that's
number one and number two. If we're willing to accept
that some people are you guys are I'm not, then
I assume that's okay in just about every sport, like
you don't that the strikeouts don't bother you one bit
in baseball.
Speaker 9 (01:50:17):
Right, Oh, it's the physique doesn't bother me.
Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
Not No, you're saying, you're saying he doesn't. I'm telling
you he doesn't play both ends of the floor. You
say it's twenty twenty five, it doesn't matter anymore. You
say it doesn't matter. All that matters, say.
Speaker 9 (01:50:27):
Off physique doesn't man When they complain about him not
looking like he's in.
Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
Shape, yeah, and my response to you was yeah, because
it's it is affecting his defense.
Speaker 7 (01:50:35):
He can't get down the floor.
Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
You gad to have watched him.
Speaker 8 (01:50:40):
My argument is that it doesn't affect his offense. He
doesn't eat, he doesn't want to play defense. That's that's
that's a mental thing, not as nothing to do with physique, because.
Speaker 5 (01:50:47):
Once I think it's I think it's both.
Speaker 9 (01:50:49):
It's both.
Speaker 5 (01:50:50):
I don't understand he may not want to. I don't
think he can because he's carrying forty extra lbs.
Speaker 11 (01:50:57):
And the way you really noticed it is with the
new Guard death start in the enter the league, they
just look a tick faster than Luca. Even in games
where you see Luka and Kay, everybody say kay, it
is slower. But it's just a difference. And I know
that takes a lot of pride in like his physique,
his health, his regiment similar to I got Braden up there,
you know, But when you look at Luca, I've noticed
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that the height that he had, it really started to cool.
He is still an offensive elite player, but I do
believe him being like in better shape and being more
consciously aware about that will make him even greater.
Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
He's one of the best offensive players I've ever seen. Yeah, okay,
he's one of the best shoots I've ever seen her though.
All I'm saying is personally, I like my superstars to
play both ends of the floor. Yeah to it. And
if that's the if it's gone away in today's NBA
or if it's gone away in today's professional sports, what
are we willing to surrender in football? Are you okay
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with drop passes? What difference does it make as long as.
Speaker 7 (01:51:55):
He's got a hundred?
Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
Why?
Speaker 9 (01:51:56):
But that has nothing to do with the physique.
Speaker 7 (01:51:59):
No, No, it's I'm talking about playing both.
Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
I'm playing got to to the fullest of your position.
And I know it's a little different because basketball you
got to play both ends of the floor. Football you don't.
So it's probably an unfair example, but you do have
to play the full game.
Speaker 6 (01:52:16):
When you let James Harden win the MV and P
and told me he's the best player in the league
in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't vote that.
Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
I understand what I did.
Speaker 5 (01:52:24):
In fact, I had I have a debate on TV
about that. He did.
Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Yes, the players voted for correct, the media voted for
like the time voted for. So I knew that at
the end of the day is what it is.
Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
Every once in a while, you get lucky and you
have an MVP like Giannis who plays defense and plays offense, you.
Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Know, but for the most part offensive. That's the league
we play.
Speaker 5 (01:52:47):
Yeah, that's the reason I do like a guy like
I like the under the radar guys like Pascal Siakam
and play players like that who can give me both
ends of the floor.
Speaker 11 (01:52:59):
Give me Yakam here in Detroit, Man before he went
to the Pacers. That was a player that we were hoping,
especially with this Tis Dwayne case, that they could get
here because we still do not have a player like that.
We hope that guys like Jalen Doran can step into
humane health and Siaka stuff, But we still don't have
a player like that, and I think we destinally need.
Speaker 5 (01:53:18):
I don't disagree. Let's get to the mailbag.
Speaker 11 (01:53:20):
I was just about to say, man, the people are
inspired by Brylan's in cheps top three, top four, top
five defensive players. Here me for the line. So we
got some of that and we got some questions as well.
We'll start with the list and now I'll tell you
guys the questions. Uh, we'll start with the super chat.
Michael or Wherry sends in his top five defensive players.
Two down of super chat, he has Ada Hudson, Brian
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Branch Kirby, Joseph Alee McNeil, and Terry On Arnold. Man,
what do you guys think about that one? He said
to the super chest. So I figured I throw it
back to the death.
Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
That's a good one.
Speaker 6 (01:53:51):
And beyond this, based on the player of Alasko, he
was just probably the case I just leave's not playing
right now, So I didn't think they put him on there.
But I have a problem with that at all. I
think he started to take that jump last year. And
I go back to that Indianapolis coach game. Coach may
not have been any good, Anthony Richards may not have
been any good, but Quentin Nelson is one of the
best offensive linemen in the NFL in the past twenty
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five years.
Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
You can say what you want to. He got dishrag
bout Aleen McNeil. Like when I say.
Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
Dishrag by Allen McNeil, Yeah, I forget. Yeah, I can't
wait till he gets back.
Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
You know how I feel about Terry and Arnold. I
think he's gonna have a really good year, and I
really like it. But I would put Jack campbellhead of
Terry on Arnold without questioning.
Speaker 11 (01:54:31):
Te definitely, definitely. And I see here our fossil said
Allen McNeil over DJ Reader and then a lot of
hutch love in here to get to some of these
other lists, josephs hutch Branch, Joseph Enzo and Campbell, and
then I'm seeing a lot of Randall Small he says,
hutch Branch and McNeil for him for his top three.
Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
I think Alee McNeil's a little underrated. I agree, I
mean league wide, I mean fan media wise, league wide,
if you want to, I think coaches really respect him,
but I don't think he gets enough love.
Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
It's crazy too, because before the twenty twenty three season,
remember he was at ESPN.
Speaker 6 (01:55:07):
He got voted the league Freak. He was one of
the guys they did. Like the preseason voting, the players
were his.
Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
You remember that kool aid.
Speaker 6 (01:55:15):
His was like like biggest freak in terms of the
ability to come off the ball, low, drive the drive
the pile.
Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Yeah, and then he started playing well or playing up
to last year.
Speaker 5 (01:55:24):
He'll be last season. Yeah, this is gonna say its
before lastyear he'll be missed.
Speaker 10 (01:55:28):
Heck.
Speaker 5 (01:55:28):
Yeah, it's hard to replace guys who are I mean,
I think he's an elite defensive tackle. I really do.
I think he's It's tough to replace those guys. You know,
it's no, I don't think it's much different. Ragnow was
probably better at his position than McNeil was at his
rag Now is unbelievable. Those guys. You just don't find
those guys and plug in and play and say, oh
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we're gonna be just fine and.
Speaker 6 (01:55:50):
I'm gonna take some time and I'm glad. This ties
back into the beginning of the show. Ye tie real Williams.
He was able to pull that out of Lean Williams,
like that's that's gonna be one. But the cool thing
about is when you have coaches that he knew he
wasn't gonna be here past last year. He knew going
into the situation, when my boy gets a job, I'm
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going with my boy.
Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
The Lions knew that as well. I guarantee you.
Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
He passed his information to his defensive line in such
a way like, look, this is what you gotta do,
this is what I want you to watch. I just
want you to down into I think they had that
conversation because he knew he wasn't gonna be your past
once Verbel got a job.
Speaker 5 (01:56:28):
In case people were wondering, that's where he is now,
he's with Mike Rabel and Newing.
Speaker 11 (01:56:31):
Hey, I got a fun well, Stephen Baf He just
sent to his top three or five current defensive players
Hutch Branch, Kirby and Reed and Arnold and said, from
what he's seen this year, he thinks this this Allion's
defense is going to be top five. But here's a
fun question from Joe, says melbag Braylan. If you could
have chosen to play any other position than wide receiver
in the NFL, which would have been like that stop
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in any league or you know, let's say football as
well as any leage.
Speaker 6 (01:57:01):
Football and safety. I like hitting people, and when I
was playing like safeties got paid. I still could be
a ball.
Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
I still ze come on, brons bad. That's why so
safety because I lay cats out. I love it.
Speaker 5 (01:57:22):
How many wide receivers do you know love to hit?
Or is that a misconception because that that's the belief.
It's like, oh man, they don't want to get after.
Speaker 6 (01:57:30):
Once today unless they played for the Lions. They don't
really because even the bigger ones stay like A J.
Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Brown is a big dude. AJ is not out there
trying to hit, but he's trying to catch passes d
d K. He's not trying to hit either. A big dude, yeah,
but being big doesn't mean you want to hit. D
likes to hit.
Speaker 6 (01:57:46):
If you like, get under his skin, you can get
him off his square. That was one of the reasons
why like going to Steelers and get paid all that money.
Everybody's like you, sure, you pay him, you can get
him out of his game, and now he wants to
turn into you want to walk up. But as soon
as the game starts, I rather I'd rather run play
so I can set the tone for myself mentally, so
I can go out smack somebody. Now I got the
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adrenaline going. Now I'm cool. Now I can play games. Now,
catch a pass running around? What's the concept?
Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
I always prefer to run first.
Speaker 11 (01:58:17):
And if it's not wide receiver, if it's not safety,
my man gonna be a home run hitter.
Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
Here.
Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
You already know, you.
Speaker 6 (01:58:22):
Already know centerfield. Sign King Griffy Jr. Sign me up
in center field, and.
Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
I'm back and forth.
Speaker 11 (01:58:29):
Chack got some good questions, man, They said, what combo?
Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
This is a good one.
Speaker 11 (01:58:35):
What combo the Lion's secondary bracket. Would you rather not
seeing coverage Arnold and Joseph or reading brands?
Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Reading? Man, give me Arnold and Joseph. I don't want
to see that. I wouldn't want to see them.
Speaker 6 (01:58:50):
To you said, and like me as a as a
wide out, I ain't sweating either one of them, sweating
either one of them.
Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Line them up, I was gonna say.
Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
When he answered that question, I was taken aback. I'm like,
wait a minute, you're telling me you wouldn't want to
see any of those guys and you don't mind seeing
any of us?
Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
Man, you can laying off for the route them up, bro.
Speaker 11 (01:59:13):
But he looked back at me like, waita hit.
Speaker 7 (01:59:16):
Me late me, make sure I got this right.
Speaker 11 (01:59:19):
You're talking.
Speaker 5 (01:59:19):
You're talking to me, you're talking to me.
Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Yeah, I would, but see I love DB's at home
because that doesn't bother me.
Speaker 6 (01:59:27):
And that's when I would say, like, I didn't complain.
I wasn't one that was looking for a flat.
Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
I didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (01:59:31):
You know why when you don't complains, ref let you
get your thing off too. So like, all right, he
try to hold me, I'm gonna break your arm throughout
this course of this game.
Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
I'm gonna put this down on yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:59:43):
Hold me, I love.
Speaker 11 (01:59:44):
Here's another one for both of you guys, from Randall
Small Salt to random hoss Man. That guy supports and
supports and supports, and I promise you rand We're gonna
continue to get the chat more and more involved. We
got segments were cooking up man, but he gotta say this.
Do you guys think that Kelvin Sheppard, Hey, kkg well
blitz more this year using linebackers and DB's I am
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hoping so we saw the stunts that they pulled out.
Speaker 5 (02:00:08):
He may have to. He may have to, especially early on.
Speaker 6 (02:00:11):
Yeah, yeah, with the defensive linemand question especially kind of
in the middle. And you don't want guys in a chance,
so maybe send some some shots. But you got the
guys to do That's the thing. The thing is, whatever
you want to do, you have the guys to do it.
Speaker 5 (02:00:24):
All I say is, if you're gonna do that, make
sure you get home number one. I think it does
help him that his corners are going to be better.
I do. I think DJ Reid's gonna help with that.
We always think that it's just the guys who are
doing the rushing. In order for them to rush, they
got to have confidence with the people on the back end,
and I think they'll do just that. We appreciate all
the chats. We appreciate all the feedback. It's always welcome
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Speaker 6 (00:58):
I'm doing good man? You got welcome back. Like the
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you disappear, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I'm trying to it's the wheel.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Exactly all right. So how I was going to run
the show today now last day.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Yes, it was fun, has some good interesting conversations, but
I ready dived into the menusia that his sport.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I was driving by our studios earlier. Ricky, glad you're here,
kol Aid, great to see you. Stick is in with
us as well.
Speaker 7 (01:22):
I was selling studios earlier, look like a Magamond, and
I saw.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
A yellow nineteen seventy two Corvette park in the previout spot.
Once I realized it wasn't Stick because he doesn't do
that commercial. Once I knew that it was too small
for it to be your car. Knowing that show there
were no you know, tobacco stains on it. From Sean Beliegia,
I'm thinking what had to be somebody who was in
(01:46):
here at Lady James, and I thought to myself, man,
that is a good looking car. What's your favorite car?
If you could have any car? Braylen's probably had his.
I've never had mine. I probably will never have mine.
Just a quick show from everybody here on the show,
what's your If you could have one car in your
life right now, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Fifty seven Shelby GT.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Like I've always been attracted to the Eleanoris aka from
going to sixty seconds. It was something about that car
was just the power forward back in the fifties and
the sixties.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We're talking about four versus.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Right there.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
That right there that just sounds like even though you
can't hear, you can see it. You know, it sounds
like a grimin you know, it may be it maybe no,
but this car is just perfection. This was this is
before it was producing machines that were just the way
of the future.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Man, dope car as fast as I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
What and wanted no part of that in the fifties. Man,
it took them a while for Endzo to kind of
rethink his strategies.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
That is, that's a beautiful seven Shelvy GT. You know,
I could be persuaded there, Ricky, what's your favorite Dodge
Viper black with the racist stripes.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
I don't really care what what what color the stripe is,
but that was like the sign of ninety five, probably
when it is they stopped making ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I think year right before two thousand.
Speaker 8 (03:09):
I want to say the year before the last one
was my favorite one, but that that was my head turn.
Speaker 9 (03:13):
That stopped me every single time when I was like, yeah, boy,
that's that's maybe.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Not in ninety five. That is a super brand Tarismo version.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
We're going suit up car.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I want to like a muscle car.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah, okay, that's there's a lot of tystosterone going around
the room.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh yeah, you need that at times.
Speaker 10 (03:37):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I love that. Man. If I had the money, i'd
buy you one.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
But I how about you still're still time Ricky.
Speaker 11 (03:46):
We're foodies, man, we're food bros. And you know what, now,
just realize we're also muscle car bros. To die in
the rooms is an engineering picture.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Thanks for being so.
Speaker 11 (04:01):
He was part of the original team that kicked it off.
His team. He led every wire that was in that
ninety two Dodge Viper, the blue and white. He put
every he designed every aspect of the wiring.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Things nasty tapped into the papacule.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Right, I'm very nice, very nice, all over work.
Speaker 11 (04:27):
You know what shep man, he got.
Speaker 12 (04:29):
TANGSD won't have any Corvette love, Yeah, I would say,
I would say the nineteen between nineteen are between nineteen
fifty eight and nineteen sixty one, any of those corvettes, Okay,
but the fifty eight.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Corvette for me is pretty special. It's a beautiful looking car.
Not that it's as fast as the ones. You just
said something about that car right there that makes me say, wow,
gotta have it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And I think it's awesome when I see this car.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
I just I just see coasting down in pH in California.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
You got got the beach ball in the back seat,
playing some playing some Kendrick in the whip. You know,
I'm getting ready to pull up on the on the
beach with a with a nice something in the passenger side.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Soft little softly Kendrick is a playing right there. You
got a little cooler. You got a little cooler in that.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I can promise you this. No one would eat my car.
If that were my car would eat this is that,
no one would drink.
Speaker 11 (05:28):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And as much as I love my two Golden Retrievers,
neither one of them, that vehicle.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
First of all, that car right there, like you get
that that's an invite vehicle. That's not like we're going somewhere.
This is the car we're taking. You jump in like
this is an invite vehicle. Like this doesn't come out
like this is an invite.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Now everybody can just jump seeing that store, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Not everybody can get in that car.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
You may be my friend, but you know you may
you may be my cousin, but I like that.
Speaker 9 (05:56):
I have to love you. I love you to let
you get in that car was shadowed.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
It just just to throw for me. It really would be.
I mean when I was a kid, my dad had
always wanted a car like that. We had a fire
We had an old seventy one seventy two Firebird, right,
I told you, guys, I don't know if it was
last week or the week before. I had a couple
of muscle cars, you know, the Camaro and the Firebird.
Love those. My dad had a Corvere at one time.
(06:22):
We had a mock One at one point. So we
had some decent cars, right. They weren't family cars. Mock
ones aren't our family cars. But that's the car my
dad always wanted. And I just, oh my god, I
loved it so much. I know this to sound so
stupid and geeky, but I used to have like a
little it's like a play car that I put it's
(06:43):
a model car, but it wasn't plastic. It wasn't plastic. Okay,
shout out to the model cars. But I had it
on my dresser, and it's what I dreamed of having.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
That's like those silver ones you opened the door cars
kind of heaviest dicast like paint on the.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
Hot wheels kids. So I'm with you. Yeah, I had
plenty of vipers, plenty.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
I had green one with the peantum butter in terrier,
it was probably the one I get.
Speaker 9 (07:07):
I had a white one with the blue. I had
a yellow one or red. Yeah, like, I'm with you.
Speaker 11 (07:10):
You're trying, you're trying to trade vipers later or something.
Speaker 9 (07:13):
You know what they may be at my mama house.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Did you ever get in the remote control cars for
a little bit?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
For a little bit?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And I really breaking them?
Speaker 6 (07:23):
My uncle man rest in peace man. He was down
into the hobby shot man. So like for me, like
the trans like the transition from hot wheels and cars
and mone cars hobby shot putting cars together, buying them
remote to cars that win like fifty the gas power.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I wanted him to say, I know, I know a
little something at least, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
You know we're in that town too. I mean, I
don't know about you guys. I don't know if your
gear heads or not understanding. I'm not a big gear head.
Remember when I go to high school, they had a
class called shop yep, saying you could actually work. We
had like four garages at my high school, Shot to
Earth with the same district. Yeah, farm hand and you
(08:03):
could pull your car in and guys would work on it.
We never took us to a shot. We took it
to my high school.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
My best buddies worked on the car.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
How how was the work?
Speaker 7 (08:15):
It's really well done those guys.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
That one of my buddies, one of my buddies, he
put a super charge end an engine in a Pluto,
one of those little pieces of crap. Yeah, we went
wheeling in that son of a gun constantly.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
I had a buddy I worked with a range of
downtown farmers and he went to farm to high school.
They used to work on cars and he still builds
BMW to this day.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Shout to Brian. That's what he does for a living.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I literally have a friend man, he has a.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Double what do you want to call him?
Speaker 9 (08:46):
He can r Yeah, the lifts, so he's got the lift.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
He can fit six cars in his garage. He read,
he read, he works on cars, fixes them up, stores him.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
He won't sell them.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I got a question. He literally said all the He said,
Mike keV, what are you doing? I said, Johnny, why
are you doing this? And he says, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I can't part with him. I said, what do you
think you're doing it for?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I don't think that's a picture of him, but I said, literally,
what are you doing it for?
Speaker 7 (09:14):
And he's like, I don't know. I just can't part
with him. What are you gonna say?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
My dad owns a car museum, and I thought I
knew all cars.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Man, What is a Pluto?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It is?
Speaker 7 (09:27):
I think I've got it right. It's an old Chevy.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Maybe I'm maybe I'm getting it wrong, but it's it
was a little hatchback. It's an absolute piece of craft.
It's similar to what a Chevette. Do you remember what
a Chavette used to look like? Okay, it's very similar
to that. And I thought it was called a Pluto.
Maybe I'm wrong there. I forget the exact name of
it now that now that I think about it, But
it's very similar to Javette, kind of like a Pacer, smaller,
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smaller than that.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Closer to it, closer to Chevette.
Speaker 11 (09:55):
I had to know, man, I had to know.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I think that's what it was.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
A Pinto.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
I'm I said, that's a stupid thing. It's Pinto.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No breaks on Friday.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
It was the worst car ever made? You know that, right?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Uh? It felt like it when I was writing it, it.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
Was like that was the one I was getting crashed
into in the gas has words.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
Well, absolutely, Who was your first car? Yeah, we went
through this.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Yeah, I had a Camaro.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Tapped out.
Speaker 9 (10:32):
Cars.
Speaker 11 (10:32):
I got interested.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So I mean, look in this area, people love their cars,
and we're right prime for the dream cruise. Right, every
car that we've already talked about our favorite car that
we could have one car all will be on Woodward
here sometimes just a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
And we're prideful because for forever, you know, we talked
about Barry Sanders.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Is all we have with Detroit Lions like four.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Automn and automobiles essentially is what is our makeup, is
what has been our identity since the you know, the
beginning of the nineteen hundred. So it's the one thing
we could always hang our hand on whatever is going on.
This is going on this is going on. We got
them cars, We have that history. So I think that's
what you say.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
It always fun, aren't they? The debates of muscle cars,
Corvette Mustangs, you know, firebirds, whatever you want to call
on it. Okay, whatever you want to say, is a
really fun debate, just like they have now debates with
trucks that are going on, which is the best looking truck?
Speaker 11 (11:29):
I love the you know what, while we're on this subject, look, man,
my wife and I was at the gas station the
other day and we saw an electric muscle car. So
you know, I got the dots challenge. I'm okay with
I gotta get your take on it. When they started it,
(11:50):
it had an artificial like engine. As I were talking
about the muscle and all that, I wanted to like, bro,
just your quick take on that, like it was the
wildest thing? Is Chef's face is be willing?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I would say, no, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like part of part of the concept in muscle car
is the power and the strength that the exhaust emits.
You don't get that what he let you cars. It
may be fast as hell, but it's sexiest. You don't
even know what the car is on. It's part of
the muscle cars power, But correct.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Part of muscle cars is the guys who worked on them.
To one's plugging in a.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Muscle everything is on, everything's on the board.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Am I wrong? There?
Speaker 9 (12:38):
That's the version of a b B.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
YO.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Just compare elected to a b BL Oh my godd base.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You know what, you got it? You got it, not
like spots and let via.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I'll tell you what gives me thought anytime I ride
on some type of well, when you go to an
amusement park, if you want to try the different rides,
that's cool, right, I get it. It's been a long
time since I've done it. I've never understood why people
get caught up in these roller coasters that take you
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every which way but loose and considering the amount of it.
And there's a lot of different reports on how these
things have been gone. Go off the track, lose people,
kill people, stop prematurely, don't stop at all, get stuck,
scarce the living hell out. I don't need that type
of thrill in my life. Where do you stand on
roller coasters?
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Look, I love roller coasters as a kid. I still
love them now. The ones that I know are tried
and true where the tracks connect, and little things like that,
I'm still for I'm still here, I'm still here with
it that it seems like the sirens that are getting
stuck at the top of the apex.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Explain that because not everybody knows what the sirens.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Basically, Sirens is a new rider and see the point
where it disconnects from the track and then reci points
and then reconnects to a track. But it's getting stuck
as it's hanging over right before it drops it and
it descends, and people are legitimately having to get off
the roller coaster at the top of the apex and
walk down the steps.
Speaker 11 (14:23):
That's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's not worth it.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
And then if you're at the roller coaster, if you
at the park and you see this happen, you see
it get stuck, and then you're waiting in line, and
then you see people walking all the way down and
you still wait another two hours forward to get fixed,
just to ride the roller coaster, just to become stuck
like the last group, just to have to walk down.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I don't understand the psyche behind it.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
So this is the simpleton me. I think of people
sitting around a conference room. We all have pre production
meetings before our shows. Okay, what do we want to
hit on?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm out on it.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Most of it's very generic. We kind of just fall
into a lot of these conversations, like nobody was expecting
the cars, for example.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
But I think of these.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
People sitting around the conference room and go, I've got
an idea you in the back of your hand up, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
How about if we have a roller.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Coaster that disconnects from the tracks and then reconnects. And
then you had to have a certain amount of people
who actually said, damn, that's a good idea. What's the
insurance policy on something like that?
Speaker 9 (15:19):
What's insurance? They don't care if you're worse. It was
a consultant.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
I know.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
It's just like telegraph a eight mile when you have
to go across it, you see, yeah, yeah, every time.
Speaker 9 (15:29):
I drive past it.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
Like this was some consulting from New York and some
of the it was like, you know, what you guys
should do, And they took me because they can blame
it on just.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Bring back the demon drop already.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah, even if I hurt my knees once I got
you know, once I was thirteen, my knees no longer worked.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
It goes into your throat on.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That one, very true.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
My biggest thing is no disrespect to our amusement part
that we have adopted over the years.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Down the road and see their point. The one thing
Ohio got right, not named.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
The Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Not named the Cleveland Browns. All right, we were here,
no shots corrected, shots corrected.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
But I'm not trusting Cedar point. That's the thing where
I'm at now. If you tell me this is this
is Disney World that builds this or some empire that
I understand. The money is there, so cut the corners
will not be cut. I'm cool. We live in the
area right now where everybody's trying to create that new thing,
that next band, that next trend, and they're cutting corners
to do it. So I'm not trusting a Cedar point
(16:24):
with something as complex in my mind as this. Now
Disney World or Universal Studios does this, and they got more money.
You know why, I'll try it. I ain't trying to Ohio.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
To Ricky's point. To Ricky's point, he said, consultants. I
worked with one of the more talented individuals in my
entire broadcasting career early on by the name of Joe Donovan.
He was a great news man, but he also did
really good in college football and getting ready for the
NFL is well. He just loved it on weekends. Had
one of the greatest voices in all of radio. He
used to tell me all the time, what's the first
(16:56):
three letters in the word consultant? It that's all you
need to know that they couldn't do what we do.
So what do they do? They consult and their convents?
Are you gonna say?
Speaker 8 (17:09):
That's my imitation of Joe Donovan.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I hope it passed the test.
Speaker 11 (17:14):
I was just gonna say, Ricky, we're gonna have to
do the job for the people. We're gonna have to
get brillyon shep to see their point. We're gonna start
getting them out on some boots and the ground stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Man.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
Usually I'm with you, bro, but I hate roller coasters
just as much.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Hey, listen, if I want that kind of thrill, I'll
drive down the lodge.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I don't.
Speaker 11 (17:36):
I don't know what are you talking about.
Speaker 9 (17:37):
A man just stabs some people in Walmart. Life is
dangerous enough.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
So what happened in New York.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Now CT was part of that. At least that's what's claimed. Okay,
you would know this better than all of us. Our
our mutual friend Herman Moore swears he had at least
twelve concussions. Okay when he played. You played a long time.
How real is c T E? And how many people
do you know that it's affecting? Even to this deck?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Ct is a real thing, you know. It's one of
those things where once the movie.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Came out and there started to be more serious taking
h more taken serious about the matter, and people started
paying attention. You know, people started getting tests, you know,
someone obviously once they passed, and you're starting to save
those brains, and then you're doing the test on that
and you're starting to realize that younger and younger and
younger they're affected. Aaron Rodgers, excuse me, Aaron Hernandez his
brain and what it looked like. I think she had
(18:30):
even bigger light to how much the dark part of
the brain that was shut down.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Basically, how do I work with that? The dark part
of the brain that was shut down.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Basically, this is the fact that was this is the
part that was affected by the CD you.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
See, Mike Websters and other that's what the movie Concussion
in case people are unaware of what Braylen's referring to
Will Smith starting the movie Concussion.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
So it's a serious thing and I think more and
more guys are are nervous. But I think the big
thing about it is because of the information now, because
of the test, I think there's starts and to do
more brain treatment, more muscle memory, more things like that
so that the brain extends, it has more quality longer.
When you just sit there and allowed to depreciate and you
don't know and you're not getting tested and you're not
(19:12):
doing things, you're just allowing it to take shape take
for him and really just take you out of the game.
So it is a real thing. I think the individual
that you know took those lives as well as his
own yesterday. I think he also was known mental health
issues for years. So that's what kind of was said.
Sorry that that situation happened, That was crazy. Could have
went a lot differently, but.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Throw from Nevada all the way to New York to
do it too.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Yeah, and yeah, doing something like that, you kind of
know that gives you an inkling on you know what
could have been there, But that's tough.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
CT is a real deal. Herm.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
I know him well, he played in a different era.
You know how many times helme with the helmet. You
know that astro turf at the Silver Dome like it
was legitim It's like street with a level of old
school carpet on top of the Philadelphia back in the day.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Even Michigan Stadium. You know, my dad played on that
with Michigan.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Wasn't astro turf, excuse me, Michigan was the same thing
as a silver Dome.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But those heads, man, they rack up back then.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, you always used to think. I remember when I
was a kid, our dream was to play at the
Silverdome in a state championship. Never got there, but we
did play a regular season game there once. I was
thrilled to go out there and play, and I remember
getting hit falling on that rug for the first time,
thinking to myself, Holy crap, I might also be being
tackled on concrete. That's how bad it was. So obviously
(20:27):
it's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
There's no silver Dome.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, I think I remember.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That divine shout.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, so real quick, I mean you mentioned it's a
real thing. Absolutely, how many. How often is that discussed
with players?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
You know, I don't know I would have while you
played as well. They didn't talk about at all when
I played. You know when I tapped down twenty fourteen,
that we weren't having these kinds of discussions yet. I
think concussion came out two thousand, was it boom?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
But you knew it still took place.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
We did, but it was still the old school warriors
like want I signed up for us out of line.
I knew what this life was going to bring me.
I knew what the possibilities were. If I'm going over
the middle to make this five million dollars and Ry
knocks me out, Well, it's just like any given Sunday
with Charc Labay aka Lawrence Taylor. I got my million dollars.
That was a concept back then. You know, I know
what I'm getting myself into. Now there's more education. Now
(21:19):
you don't necessarily have to go about it as barbaric.
And then also now you don't have to stay and
play forever. You know, Luke Kickley, Patrick Willis, those are
some of the first players to say it's not worth it,
you know. And Wes Welker, I think he was one
of those kind of in that transitional era that you watched.
Wells had a ton of concussions and to watch him
in the games, you're knocked out. We gotta change the
(21:42):
game up a little bit, and I think the NFL
has it done as well as they can do. You know,
this is about as two hand touch as you can
get without it being.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Too I think my frustration with the NFL in that
regard is they promote the we all know what it is.
It's violence, okay.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
But it's what we lap up with a spoof.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
They promoted uh as do networks and then this comes
around and it's almost like they're doing a turnaround and
a double take on it. And I think it's pretty
hypocritical on the part of the national football.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
You're talking about in terms of how the NFL promotes
the hitting, the hard hitting, the action. Have they gotten
away from that because I think that used to be
the target when I play. They used to be the
Brian urlocker and you know, a Reid and.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Troy po.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
Receivers. I feel like they want the personalities to dance.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
They have shifted that, You're right, but it's still there.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Look, let's face it, when we all watch it, we're loving.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
The big hits. That's because from.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Okay, we're seeing the we're not just seeing highlights of guys,
guys making acrobatic catch We're.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Not and I'm not saying we shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I'm just telling you I still think it's promoted strongly
enough where that's what people are looking for.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
And well, how many times have.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
We heard the phrase kill shot used during the broadcast?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
But this is but inside, I stay on on this one.
H Rick, My bad sad that I'm on this one though,
was like all right, look with that being said, I
got to give push back, like, this is what the
sport is like, this is what the sport is at the.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
End of the day.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
This sport we know is a sport where it's violent.
It is car crashes on a regular day basis. They
can only make it as safe as they can and
keep the sport intact or keep the integrity attack. So
once again, the money has gone up. Healthcare is starting
to go up in that regard. We've had conversations, but
it's more so about my era and the era after
this new era. They're getting to the bag faster, They're
(23:35):
getting money faster. They have healthcare, the benefits are lasting longer.
They're doing little things that, Hey, do you want to
wear this big ass helmet with all this cushion on
it during training camp? Hey, we've even extended that now
to the NFL season. So I think for as what
they can do, they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Okay, the healthcare, I'm.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Gonna that's a big deal.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
You're right, I'll pack them on the back.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
It's as far as I'm concerned. What took it? What
the hell took you so long? I mean, that's my belief.
But at least they're doing something. I wish there was
more for the people who have who stood Wait before.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You, you'll never volunteer to spend more money than you
have to. Yeah, that's corporations. That's any corporation.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
No corporation, with the exception of Google and these newer
corporations that are maybe doing it the right way.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Nobody's going to.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Volunteer an extra two hundred million just to make sure
there's safety when people haven't asked for it yet, that's
any corporation.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Well, that's a good debate. I mean, when did they
ask for it? When should you have recognized it? When
should you you have begun when you say when should
you have begun? Recognizing the people who made your game
great deserve to be taken care of medically and not
asking you to keep paying them. I'm asking to handle
their medical bills. I don't think that's a lot to ask.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Ah, you're right.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
And to that point, when you see Earl Campbell in
Texas in nineteen ninety eight ninety nine, spend the first
ever big face twenty dollar bill because that's what was printed,
and he's the King of Texas and he's barely walking
and had to will him up there in a wheelchair
and he just retired in nineteen with eighty four, so
he shouldn't look like that.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
That's when you should have took it thereas. Yeah, when
you see guys just can't walk in and cripple things like that,
heart breaks for him.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Jim McMahon trying to do that Bears interview the eighty
five Bears, remember that, Yeah, you couldn't even remember his
own name throughout the course of the day at times
as yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, it's real and it's really sad. At a number
of different times, this is not sad. The ownership on
the field to play for the Detroit Lions. You're seeing
more and more responsibility taken up by some of these
young guys. We'll get to that. But first, big responsibility
for Ben Johnson, but he's always there to step forward
(25:45):
assuming that role as a leader.
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Speaker 5 (29:15):
Bet always appreciate your feedback in the chat. It's always
good to chat with you and comment on some of
the things that we have talked a little bit about already.
Coming up at three o'clock Braylan's breakdown. Super excited for
this wide receivers, cornerbacks at camp, who's got the edge
(29:35):
and why that's coming up at three o'clock This defense.
I'm really excited for it. I'd be more excited when
it's fully healthy, but really excited for it. I'm a
big I loved watching Jack Campbell play at Iowa, Okay,
and I think I think he's going to be a
really impactful player. I thought he was an impactful player
(29:55):
a year ago. I think people judged him too early
his rookie year, because you would know better than we would.
It is a really hard transition to the NFL. No
matter how good you were in college, Hello Marvin Harrison junior.
It is hard to go to the next level and
dominate like you did at the collegiate level. High Peyton Manning.
My question is Jack Campbell has been given, according to
(30:18):
Dan Campbell, no relation that he's the coach on the
field and that it's his defense. It's Jack Campbell's defense.
What does that tell you about Campbell about this defense?
And maybe since Alex Angeloni is the guy who wore
the green dot, what does it tell you about him
if at all?
Speaker 6 (30:38):
First and foremost, you know, Jack Campbell's the guy that
took over last year whe Alex Azeloni was out. He
was always going to be a long term move for
the Lions. Now they may add another linebacker two where
Alex Azeloni is, but he was always going.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
To be a Dan Campbell guy.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
And what they saw in him last year in his
two years here, they appreciate it. They saw him getting
better last year, they saw him take strides. I told
you big thing about him. He doesn't make the same
mistake twice, and he went through that season last last
year and he put the green doun on and he
took over the personality and the defense. It stayed running
without missing a beat. They had some moments one hundred percent,
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but for the most part, that defense was one of
the better defenses in the league statistic statistical wise. Now
you have a situation where Alex Azeloni's going through contracts
and trying to figure that things out. Jack Campbell's the guy,
He's gonna be the guy, and they wanted to run
in his image. He is a no nonsense he does
the things he's supposed to do. He's a disciplined player.
That's what you want the defense to be. Whoever puts
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that green down on, Whoever where is that captain on
either side of the ball, you want the team or
that side of the ball to be represented by his play,
to be represented by.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
That guy carried how he carries himself.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
And I think this says that Jack Campbell, well, he's
respected by his teammates, he's respected by his coaches, and
they want the defense to play how he plays.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
How quickly did you expect him to kind of take
root in this defense and take ownership of its seeded
that timeline for you.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Yeah, he's exceeded for me, because when he drafted him,
I wasn't of the frian I wasn't of the frame
of mind that he was gonna be the answer. I
was not of the mind that he was gonna be
the guy for the Lions that one hundred and forty
tackles a year, a couple of sacks, and you know,
et cetera. I thought he was gonna buy a guy
that may have been a miss. Really, I thought he
may have been a miss. I thought the position was evolving.
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I thought they were getting away from the big linebackers
that were sixty five and you know, two fifty five
to sixty in terms of the ladder movement and being
able to get to the line of scrimmage and actually
being able to cover tight ends, cover wide receivers, running
backs that would be in the slot. But he's exceeded
what I thought he would be. He's been much better
than that, and he's grown as a player. So I
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think this is a year for him to have fun.
I think he'll have much more upfront, at least we hope,
so fingers crossed, he'll have much more upfront, he'll have
much more In the secondary, he'll have guys getting covered
down the field. He'll have more access and he'll be
free more. He won't have to shed as many blocks.
So I think he can. He can pretty much swing
away this year.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
He's faster than I thought. Yeah, okay, now that you
would know this really well. Some guys are fast, some
guys play fast. I think he plays fast. You can't
from one all my talks with NFL players are any
professional athlete, you can't overthink. You don't have time to think.
You have to process things so quickly in what you do.
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He seems like a quick processor to me.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
You remember Owls from the linebacker Denver Bronco for sure.
I got a chance to train out there in Denver.
So I met him when I was Gate before I
got drafted fast Forward and we hung out. He was
super nice guy. All he talked about was film. That
was his message to me. He's talking about, Look, look,
young fellas, you about to get this money like train smoke,
some high up and the air smoke. Oh but he said,
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you about to get this money. Study film, study film,
study film. Film is how you get better. We played
them two years after I got drafted and I was
not the fastest guy, and even then he was older.
When I played against him, he was everywhere. So the
very thing that he told me two years prior is
the very thing that he practiced and preached.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And that's where he was. He was in every play.
He knew what was going on. It was side to side.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
And it wasn't because he was out the running four
to three. It's because he watched films. He just live
out and he plays fast when you don't have to think,
when you're instinctive and also doubt. In the film, like
Jack Campbell is an Iowa guy, you just play fast.
You're four five eight or four to six. Oh, it
drops down in time because the guys are thinking.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
How much time do you think really good football players
are spending in the film, though, on a regular basis.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
On a daily Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, and nobody's
out here spending ten hours a day.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
This isn't like Harvard, but I would say on the
all pro level, hour and thirty a day.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
Okay, that's lesson. I thought three little, less than little.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But those days add up.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
More.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
Yeah, I was in my hate I'm thinking if.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You're talking quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Quarterbacks are different like the quarterback position and maybe even
the linebacker.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's a different time frame, Like they're in there.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
All day, Like this is what they do to break
down film and figure out and see the angles, break
down defenses. What are the tendencies when the safeties rotate?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
But a position hour and a half a day. If
I'm watching film for an hour and a half.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
That's still a lot.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
That's a lot.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
After after lifting and after practicing and meetings, that's still
a lot.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
But the thing about it is people never think about
breaking it up. People just think about It's like when
I was at Michigan, I used to do a thousand
push ups a day.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
People are a thousand push ups to day.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Yeah, if you do it in between in between commercials.
I'm doing them over here. I got a little time
here in between classes. It's the same thing watching film.
I can watch thirty minutes while i'm you know, doing nothing.
I got thirty minutes over here, I'm at the crib.
The wife took the kids and love here's another thirty minutes.
You can find pockets to watch film. It You don't
have to watch it all at the same time.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
It takes discipline.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Man.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Yeah, you guys remember herschel Walker of the one of
the greatest college halfbacks of all time. All Right, curious
loved watching herschel Walker. Rook never lifted a weight in college.
Push ups and sit ups. He did it, and he
did exactly. Yes, he's a bit of a freak in
that regard. Did exactly what Braylin just said. Commercials. He
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loved watching TV commercials all nothing but push ups and
sit ups. You know he's not slowly walking to the fridge.
I don't want a yogurt closing the fridge, walking back,
doing an Al Bundy, putting your hands in your pants
and watching through the commercials. That's not what he's not.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Doing getting it in. He's getting it in.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
And those those workouts and even like push ups, they
work out everything.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Try sup back forarmed like locked In showed it.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
That's good stuff. Thanks, doctor Pierce. All Right, I wanted
to ask you a quick question. You didn't catch that,
doctor Pierce. The coaching departures. We make so much of
the two coordinators, and I get it, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glent.
Overall the Lions lost five coaches. How come nobody brings
up the other three.
Speaker 9 (37:17):
Guys because they don't know who they are.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
You, okay, do you know who they are?
Speaker 7 (37:21):
I bet your people know who Antoine Randall ell is.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
Oh, well yeah, the receiver call.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Okay, most people, the average person doesn't could name.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Okay, there's another one, an assistant quarterback coaches name.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
You'd recognize, J. T.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Barrett, but not for the reason he would like you
to recognize his name. And Terrell Williams. Those are the
other three. We hear about the two because they're decision makers.
The other three guys, I would guess are pretty impactful too.
What's the significance do you think of losing those three guys?
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Terrell Williams is the one that's gonna it. Will it
will hinder us for a while. I am just being honest.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
I was.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
I was in love with bringing him from the Tennessee
Titans land season. He has been an excellent coach in
the defensive line space for the past ten twelve years
or so.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I love the work that he did down there. You
bring him in here.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Look at what happened to the defensive line last year,
regardless of injuries or who's out or who's missing, what
they didn't get that many sacks, but they still got
the hurd still got the pressures, they still kept it together.
Even towards the end of the season, they still were
having good games against the Minnesota Vikings in the game
that decided the conference, that's because he was helping Patt
O'Connor had the game of his life two games before that.
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Terrell Williams was a great assistant coach, and that's why
Mike ray would picked him up and took him to
New England with him. Stuff like that, Like that's going
to take a while to get better. Just look at
Antoine rendolel Amar Rod Saint Brown has been an amazing
wide receiver in terms of learning it all, watching it,
doing the film, knowing the offense, knowing the concept. You
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know who helped him with that, well, Antoine Rennolo didn't
just play wide receiver. He played quarterback at the University
of Indiana. So now you have a quarterback slash wide
receiver NFL better than Super Bowl Champ through a touchdown
pass and Ford Field in the Super Bowl. That's who's
been working with almar Ra and Jamo and Tim Patrick
and Josh Reynolds for the past four years now he's
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gonna So they're the ones that when you have a
good coach that you trust, the offensive coordinator is just
in charge. All I bet this is the concept you
guys put it in to your players because the offensive
coordinator trust Antoine Randolel. He knows that Antoine Rendal is
gonna give the information just like he wanted to tour,
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just like it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
For it to work, that takes.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Time, and I think it's gonna see a little bit
early on in the season them trying to figure that
part out, the wide receivers in the defensive line.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Braitlan. It's such a hard difference between us as fans
and members of the media, quite honestly, to figure out
how much of it is coaching and how much of
it is truly the player. Somebody had said to me,
KG said to me earlier, He's like, well, you know,
regarding the tiger's trade that we'll get into in a
little bit, but bringing in a paddock. They said, you know, oh, well,
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I trust Chris Fetter, and I said, so do Why
but how's he done with Jack Flaherdy, How's he done
with Tommy Kingley? Later I don't know where to You
know how am I measuring this with the impact of
a wide receivers coach and compared to the player himself?
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Like, do I think a'man ross Saint Brown.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Would be as good as he is today.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
Without Antoine RANDALLLL?
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Or do I think Antoine randall Ell can make just
about anybody exceed the expectations you might have for them.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
No, it takes two. It takes two and tangle I'm
on us saying Brown came in his league on a mission.
He told you that we've seen that since he's been
He's put in at work his father. Everything he implemented
is we see that here and we appreciate that. But
it does take help to get to that next level
when you have a guy like Antoine Randelel that is
not only played it, not only played wide receiver NFL.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Played it at a high level, played it at.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
A super Bowl level, and then also has the quarterback elements,
So it makes you a better player. My first years
in the NFL, I had Terry Ribisky. Terry Ribisky is
the thing that saved me in my NFL career. Terry
Ribisky was a hell of a coach.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
We played.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
We were a bad team, but he was a hell
of a coach. Taught me the things I didn't have.
Those mentors. Taught me how to approach watching film, how
to approach the game, how to approach having a bad day,
like Terry Ribisky was that for me.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I love t Row But that's the same thing with
these coaches. Man. Then they leave, but now you have
the message that they talk.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
Now you have the teachings, and that's why I think
they will be okay because they take it serious.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
But it makes it better.
Speaker 11 (41:48):
Yeah, you have that guy, And I'm glad that you
did pay some mind to the coaches that we did leave,
because I know how much we did hype up when
Terrell Williams got here, when we were saying he's probably
the best in the game at that position group. And
I was gonna bring this up.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Christaserks pretty good too, and he used to be at
the Lions.
Speaker 11 (42:03):
But yeah, go ahead, yep, And I see brother Or
bought something up that I was also gonna bring up
to this and get you guys take on it. He
says they did replace elite coaches with elite coaches, which
is something Dan Campbell has been really, really good at
when he's changing up those coordinators, whether it's because someone's
leaving because they have to, He's bet ever find some
good guys. Casey Rodgers on the A D line, Scotty
Montgomery to wide receiver coach while bringing in to sur
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Choice to running backs coach. Dan brings in elite coaches
and I don't don't.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
I don't know if they're elite. I mean, I don't
know how you How do you call them elite when
they haven't done it yet? That's number one. Scotty Montgomery
went from running backs coach to wide receiver coach. How
common is that? I'm sure it's very common, But how
effective can a guy be going from running backs coach
to wide receiver coach? I don't have that experience. Fortunately,
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we work with a guy who actually has experienced something
like that can help us. Elite coaches have left, Okay,
if if you say so, I don't. I don't know
if it e leads the right word, But very good
coaches have left. How do we know that the elite
coaches are being replaced by elite coaches? Can I wait
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and see before I start tabbing them elite? I don't
understand how you can call them the elite right now.
Speaker 11 (43:14):
I do like the hiring of Casey Rodgers. He hasn't
pedigreed that's followed him. As it relates to that defensive line,
it makes me if you're gonna lose to Tarbell Williams,
it makes me a little bit more comfortable that you
got a guy like a Casey Rodgers there to helm
that defensive line.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
Okay, definitely, guy makes a noise in an offensive line,
you know it does. It seems as though Dan knows
how to hire. We have seen him higher coaches. We
have seen those coaches not work out, and we have
seen him remove those coaches and.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Bring in guys that eventuity will work out.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
So I'm saying, Anthony Lynn, so I trust the hiring
process for Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
But yeah, then then I would ask people aloud, why
were you so concerned? And so much has been made
of replacing the coordinators because that's been that has been
the off season comments on every breakdown of the Detroit Lions,
it's been about the damn coordinators going someplace else. If
you believe that he makes the right decisions on filling
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voids on his coaching staff with elite coaches, then you
shouldn't have any question whatsoever about his coordinators being able.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
To fix coaching or being able to hire, rehire or
bring in other good coaches after you know you've hired
some good ones. That's one thing, but being able to
replace individuals that are record breakers, Like I think when
you look at regardless of what you want to say
and who's what and who the players were, they broke
NFL all time records.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
When you look at it that way, yeah, I get
a little bit. Okay, is it going to be the same.
Will it look the same?
Speaker 6 (44:46):
I can understand why people will have that when you
look at it from that, it's just not replacing somebody with, oh,
defensive office, is okay?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Last year? Yeah, they were record break leaning.
Speaker 11 (44:55):
I think it's important to add that way, in that
levity to the situation. It's not like what they did
last there's something that you just just brush through as
if it wasn't something special, And that, to me is
where I think the conversation really lies the people who
are now in place. Even ough case he Rogers has
that track record, he's gonna have to run it back again,
because what we do know is last year they found
a way injury or not to at least win fifteen
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games in that regular season and be able to overcome
a lot last year. So it's not necessarily going to
be just to hey, this is just to walk in
the park, especially seeing the schedule that they have. But
I am bullets on this line, so as I know
a lot of people are. But that's what makes me
real interesting to hear you guys take on this because
I know break you've seen us like you've seen coordinators come,
you've seen them go, You've seen position groups and everything.
And to me, I'm a big intrinsic guy. And one
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of the things that I do think about is Jamison Williams.
We hear him making the progress and I know we're
going to that Braves breakdown. The one on one will
be easy today when you break down the route. But
Randall lem you know, and Teddy Bridgewater, these guys meant
a lot to him. These were guys that he brought
up on it.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
But he's also brought John Moore on a regular basis
and he's up John Morton on a regular basis. Look,
Scotty Montgomery was a wide receivers coach. I believe in Pittsburgh. Yeah, so,
but that was twenty twelve. I'm not saying it necessarily
leaves you don't get me wrong. Just because you were
a wide receivers coach doesn't mean you can always be
a wide receivers coach either. There are certain adjustments in
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certain offenses that you still have to make. But for
the most part, if you're coaching a position, Braylan, is
it standard operating procedure and you just being able to
pick up where you're left off and almost like riding
a bike or what.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
It's not standard, but like when you get to be
able to coach in the NFL, you when you're on
that side of the ball, you typically know that side
of the ball. You know, if you're coaching on the
offense side of all, you're a skilled guy, like you
know how the running back terminalogy is, you know the holes,
the gaps, you know, kind of like what the expectations
of a player are saying. For wide receivers, it's more
studying maybe, but once you get it in there in
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the NFL terms, they really don't ever change, you know. So, yeah,
he was out there with Nate Washington as well as Wallace,
Mike Walla and I think Mike Wallace back then, so yeah,
I think he's bringing that same information. But you also
have NFL caliber all Pro players in that locker room.
I mean, in that meeting room. Like I'm around Saint Brown.
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You're not breaking down the game as if he doesn't
understand it. Jamison Williams, you're not breaking down the game
as if he doesn't under spand Tim Patrick. This is
year six, so you're not breaking the games. So I
think you can move around if you're still on the
same side of the ball. You're talking about a guy
going from linebackers coach to wide receivers coach. The Lord
Jesus help us.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
Yeah, there are plenty of guys who have been defensive
coaches or defensive players at one point and become offensive
coaches and vice versa in the past.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
My coaches, Eric Campbell was a dB in Michigan. He
was a dB for the Green Bay Packers. He's my
wide receivers coach.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
He's damn good.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
I would I would guess that's a I don't want
to call it an easy transition, but yeah, it does
make sense because you're studying how you're trying to beat
the other position. Right, you would guess.
Speaker 6 (48:07):
Titians and wide receivers is probably like the one I
see the most overlap line of overlap, I'll see, like,
who go coach?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Sis?
Speaker 10 (48:16):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (48:16):
The respect factor is already? Is that already built in?
Or will Scotty Montgomery even a least coach wide receivers
before it was a running backs coach? Players know him?
What will it take for him to win over that
room as quickly as he won over the running backs
coach room?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Make the trend like you got one. You have to
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
But for players, we just want you to make the
transition smooth, like like that's what coaches want, That's what
we want when you come into that locker room. Make
sure you're giving us the same information like the OC wants,
like don't get me here and make up your own deals,
or this is what we're gonna do, or this is
what I think. Let me know what the OC wants
and be able to communicate that with me and then
also have my back, like have my back like we're
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trying things out, like hey, look, Brelain, on this route.
They want you to get here, But as long as
you get here, I'll be safe.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
I'll be able to back you.
Speaker 6 (49:04):
You want your position coach to have your back when
he goes to talking to the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Regarding Shark Choice, I think that's I think that's an
interesting move there. I mean to Shark Choice was a running.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
Back in college.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
I think he was a graduate assistant in North Texas,
and I believe he's been a running backs coach in
college and a couple of different stops. The college to
pro position coach. How much of a difference, how much
of a change should there be there? Even though he was,
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you know, even though he helped out on the Cowboys
staff in the past, and he was obviously at Georgia
Tech and Texas and things of that nature, This is
a different responsibility. I guess when you're with NFL players,
what's the adjustment there for tshard Choice?
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Do you think I don't even know if it is
much of an adjustment period out of the quarterback position.
I think maybe the biggest adjustment is more so what
type of offense are you coming into? What does the
offense that you're used to, What is the defense, what
is the scheme that you're used to, like if you're
used to if you're a quarterbacks coach, and he used
the quarterbacks being up under the center. Well, you know,
there's some there's some work that you gotta do, some
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conversations you gotta have about when he's in the shotgun,
how we're going to implement that, or vice versus. That's
what Ben Johnson is dealing with over there in Chicago.
Kayler Williams has only ever been in the shotgun and
now Ben Johnson at he likes his quarterback under center
from time to town.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
We saw that for the last three years.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
So that's going to be a tough situation for Ben
Johnson and kayleb Woods in the beginning is figuring that
process out.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
Have you noticed some of the things that have come
out of Bears camp, Like Caleb Williams is talking about
personal goals and Ben Johnson isn't having much of that
at all. I mean, he's talking primarily and rightfully so
about team goals, right and footwork and the mechanics of
the position. It's almost as if Caleb Williams hasn't been
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coached properly the way Ben Johnson is breaking down his footwork,
arm angles and things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
He hasn't it realistically he hasn't.
Speaker 6 (51:15):
He was a talent coming out of Oklahoma and go
to USC and Lincoln Riley just let do whatever the
hell he wanted to do. And then he goes to
Chicago last year and more again Ebraflus didn't know what
the hell he's doing. So there is that, But this
is not reading the room like calyb If you're grown enough,
you're old enough. When you watch the coach that's coming
in Ben Johnson, you know where he's coming from. Now,
you know what the conversation is in Detroit is about everything. Hey,
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amar ros Saint Brown, you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey,
how are you able to get open on That's?
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Like, what did you do well?
Speaker 6 (51:44):
It's because the offensive line blah blah blah. This is
a team oriented space. Ben's coming from that. You gotta
drop that. You gotta drop the individual stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Find a way to bring everything to the team. Like
everything to the team.
Speaker 5 (51:59):
Speaking of that individuals, Aaron Rodgers has always been seen
as that kind of guy. You know, he's been seen
as it's a little different, a little self absorbed, loves
to see himself with a pretty girl on his arm.
Who doesn't But he'll play that field, no problem, and
he doesn't mind sharing an opinion on whatever might be topical.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
I got Aaron rodgersty for you.
Speaker 5 (52:24):
I can't wait to hear it. Because Terry Bradshaw thought
when they originally signed him it was joke that he
should be in California eating bark or whatever it is.
I thought Aaron Rodgers and I have never been a
massive fan of Aaron Rodgers, Okay, full disclosure. However, the
way he handled it I thought was brilliant. Caught talking
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about Bradshaw being a Steelers legend, which he is, and
that he's a legend in the media as well. And
I would if he took the time to get to
know me. I think we could have a good friendship.
He actually took the high road, and it's not something
we're used to with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
No, you're not.
Speaker 6 (53:02):
He definitely took the high rod Aaron Rodgers, I'll tell
your story after this.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
To change your mind at all about him?
Speaker 6 (53:09):
What doesn't change my mind about it? Doesn't change my
mind about this is where I'm at with Aaron Rodgers.
There's Aaron Rodgers the player, and there's Aaron Rodgers the
human being.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
At the end of the day.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
It's not my job to judge Aaron Rodgers the human being.
It's only to associate with what's going on. This is
what Aaron Rodgers is like at the time as a player.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
He got hurt. You know, he's trying to figure New
York out. Maybe he'll do better. He'll be forty. There's
only two quarterbacks to ever start in the playoff game
that were forty in above.
Speaker 6 (53:38):
Hopefully he's the third. Terry Brasshaw is at that age
where he is the man. He's been saying a lot
of bs and a lot of whatever for the last
ten years. I don't know how he's still on Fox.
He's literally apologizing to two people. He's like Lee Corso,
he keep parading.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
Them out here every year.
Speaker 6 (53:57):
He's got three people to apologize for it because he's
something like he did it to Mark Sanchez, he did
it to Rob Gronkowski.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
So he's going to say these things as a player.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
I agree with Terry Bradshaw in terms of his thinking.
He is a die hard Pittsburgh still in Pittsburgh, still
pays his bills. He's got four of those Lombardies with Pittsburgh.
He is one of the greatest quarterbacks air quotes in
that era. He cares about his franchise and the Pittsburgh
still franchise in the toilet. I don't care who the
head coach is right now. The Pittsburgh still is franchise
in the toilet. You don't want to see it further
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in the toilet. From what you've seen on Aaron Rodgers
as a player, as blowing up franchises, the end of
the Green Bay deal, the New York deal, He's injured
the Ayahuasca. I understand that I disagree with Terry as
a human, and I agree with Aaron.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
You don't know him.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
You legitimately made all this conversation without talking to Aaron.
You're talking about the man and not the player. Like
I had Joe nama do the same thing to me
when I played for the Jets. Really like legitimate.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
And it's funny.
Speaker 6 (55:03):
It's centered around that I got a d u I
with the Jets in twenty ten. It was like doing
off day, whatever got d UI, We go out and
we lose. The next game, they benched me. Still had
like one hundred and twenty anyway, benched me. Joe Namath
made a comment like two weeks later, I think we
had lost another game.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
He was like, Yo, we're just in a terrible spiral
right now.
Speaker 6 (55:26):
We got distractions like players like Elvers, Like, I don't
understand how he's getting DUIs what?
Speaker 2 (55:31):
And then he mentioned it again.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
And keep in mind, this is after This is after
Joe Namath gotten to the whole little deal with Susi Cold.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
This was after that. So when he was drunk on
National TV, I like to kiss you the whole nine yards.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
So this happened, and then he had the ad say
that about me.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (55:49):
But I had an Aaron Rodgers moment where look, I'm
trying to save my career. I'm trying to put it
on a new trajectory. I got out of Cleveland. Hated
in Cleveland. I got out of Cleveland. I'm in New York.
We've had this moment. We're doing good things. I didn't
say anything about it. I said, look, Joe, I said,
Joe's a legend. I say, you know that, that's his mind.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
He's right. We gotta figure something out and I can't
be a distraction. Blah blah blah. Fast forward. Me and
Joe cool, Like every.
Speaker 6 (56:16):
Time I see Joe He purposely seeks me out. If
we're at a function together, he knows I'm there, or
he sees me in the role. He seeks me out
because I took the high road and we got to
know each other on a personal level, because I really
wanted to go in. I was like, who in the yeah,
but I took the high road because of my situation.
Aaron is now on the road. He's trying to save
his legacy. He wants to save his legacy as a person,
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he wants to save his legacy as a player, and
he wants to do everything the right way.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
This could be a rebirth for him.
Speaker 6 (56:42):
This is Pittsburgh still is one of the most story
franchises ever. If he does it the right way, even
if they don't win the Super Bowl, Aaron can leave a.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
This sounds whatever. Aaron can leave a positive taste in
your mouth after the season. I said, paulse but how
he himself sure this year? And I think he's starting
to understand that that's what happened with me in New York.
I understood, you know what sures Oh, you're right, yep,
I shouldn't have I'm an idiot. Blah blah blah, Meanwhile,
I'm trying to get the championship, and potentially.
Speaker 5 (57:13):
That's a great story man.
Speaker 7 (57:14):
So yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 5 (57:16):
I mean, Terry Bradshaw says all these things. Aaron Rodgers says,
he doesn't know me.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (57:21):
Like they've been in production meetings, okay, and that's fine.
Production meetings. You bring in the play by play guy,
you bring in the color analysts, you bring maybe some
of the crew is in there, and they're talking about this,
that and the other thing. They asked for a certain
number of guys. The last for Brayln Edwards, last for
the quarterback, wi last for a couple of other guys.
The coaches they get, they sit them down for twenty minutes,
thirty minutes, all football boom, it's gone. Right. Okay, So
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he doesn't know him, but Terry Bradshaw was And again
it sounds like I'm defending Aaron Rodgers, which wasn't necessarily
my point. But Terry Bradshaw is sitting here telling him, Hey,
what are you gonna bring him in for a year?
Oh oh no, let's not bring him in for a year.
Let's start Mason Rudolph. Let's start Will Howard, right, Okay, Yeah,
that's a good idea.
Speaker 9 (57:58):
Still sat Harry will make a great consultant.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
But I do I think, I do think Brayley's are right.
I mean, he is a stealer, he cares about the
steel is. Just remember he's he had a lot of
negative things to say about Ben Roethlisperton. He okay, so
he's acting. There's a border line of him acting like
angry old guy in Grand Terno Get off my lawn too.
And I think he's walking a dangerous line there with
a lot of things that he said recently. He said
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this on a radio station in Arkansas. By the way,
he didn't say it in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (58:33):
I will say this too, though, don't let Aaron go
up there. And Terry guy has to be careful. I'm
not saying it still isn't gonna do anything. I am
not in the mindset that it still isn't gonna do something. Sneaky,
Terry Baby careful, don't let Aeron mess around when a
Super Bowl, Terry Bill be an afterthought, which he already is.
Speaker 5 (58:51):
I'm not sure that's going to happen this year, but
that that could be, you know, one of those long
shots of Baylen Edwards before the season begins. I doubt
he wants us to take that to the house. When
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And we bat. Somebody in the chat said sixteen years
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Aaron Rodgers wasn't a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 10 (01:04:07):
He is.
Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
He's one of the more talented quarterbacks we've seen in
our lifetime. What we were saying is, you know how
he what.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Was that comment? What comment was made?
Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Read?
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
The comment is.
Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
Exactly sixteen years This is from Shane Deep sixteen years
or so. So Rogers was pretty good man. Definitely a
head case, but he did have some high production. I
don't think we ever said he didn't.
Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
Thanks a lot, Captain obvious. Yeah, I don't think that.
I don't even think that's what the comment was about.
Like sixteen years. Yet Aaron Rodgers can play. We're talking
about in this space coming up on year twenty after
the last four years have been adding injury in there
and what he's done necessarily kind of in the what
are you going to be?
Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Space?
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I think that's what people were scared of with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
Yeah, he puts himself out there by some of the
things that he has said. Take that you you always
do a really good job with that. Separate the man's
on field accomplishments or lack thereof, and they're off field
persona character, whatever. Okay, you're not a ten time pro bowler,
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you're not a four time All Pro, four time MVP
or whatever it is. I think he's four time MVP
if and on a future Hall of Famer without a doubt.
If you haven't been able to do anything. So no
one's doubting his No one's doubting his ability. No one
is doubting I mean the arm angles that he could
throw at when he was in his prime. Some people
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x NFL player who said this might be the best
quarterback they've ever seen. Some people have said that, so yeah, Seman, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:05:47):
It errs in my class. So if he you know,
if people feel that way, great, that makes my class great.
But that's not what it is in terms of me.
Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
In terms of Yeah, no, I don't think there's anything
like that. All right, let's get to Braylan's breakdown. Can
we come. I'm looking forward to this. I was really
looking forward to this as soon as we started talking
about it out at Lions camp. It seems like the
corners have had the edge. But this is what we
always hear about football. Defense is ahead of offense. So
before we get to your breakdown, why do you think
(01:06:15):
that is? Is that a cliche or is that legit?
Speaker 6 (01:06:19):
And if so, wide defense is always ahead offense and
training camp because offense, you really have to put this
offense in, like putting the offense in and working it out,
getting the rhythm, and then you're not going against How
do I put this, It's not like you're scrimmaging for
that defense.
Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
You know what I'm saying. Sorry, cool, you're in training camp.
Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
You're just putting in your offense based on your offense,
what you wanted to be, how you want to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Here's first down, here's third down, here's red zone. This
is what we want to be.
Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Here's the first game the Los Angeles Chargers, let's get
ready for that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Meanwhile, the defense, you're not scheming for the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
You're not scheming for the Detroit Lions, so when you're
playing them in this your stuff isn't for them. So
the defense has the edge. They have more success. They
know what you're doing. They keep doing the same thing.
Defense is scheming for the offense every day. Offense is
scheming for the season. Offensive scheming for the upcoming game,
the second preseason game.
Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Et cetera.
Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
So a lot of times in that regard, the defense
will be ahead. The offense is trying to find tune
things once they go scrimmaging where defense is scrimmaging the
offense and offense is actually scheaming for the Detroit Lives defense.
Then you'll start to see the offense win because right
now secondary is kicking a wide receivers. But that's the
word coming out of camp right now, you know we
had to play right here. That will show I'll stow
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on that side of the ball. The Meet robertson one,
the met Roberts let's start with the Mick Robinson one.
And I'm on Saint Brown and having some success out there,
having some success. So this is right here, this is
Met Robinson. I'm and run this corner route, trying to
start getting inside. Run the corner rout and Met Robinson.
Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Now runs the route formally takes it as well. We're
running back.
Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
That's inside leverage right there, inside.
Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Leverage, Amar trying to break hard on the outside.
Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
Usually what happens when the dB turns when Amon Ra's
going up and the dB turns when when Amara cuts
to the corner, dB gets lost or dB or.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
He's supposed to go up tie he played that perfectly.
He felt I'm all right.
Speaker 6 (01:08:21):
Stayed with him and when he was breaking he has
just hit and turn and looked for the ball and
the balls right there. So that's just a perfect breakdown.
And there's nother looking at that inside. Stayed with didn't
go didn't go for the move.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
You saw a little move.
Speaker 6 (01:08:32):
I'm trying to hit him with a little mood, get
a little inside on the post route. He didn't go
for a Meek shows you that he loves that pressman
press coverage. This is good for them, This is good
to see that.
Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
If that's an opposing wide receiver, you know what he's
doing though. He's throwing his hands up in the air
and saying, come on man, that's illegal contact down the
field on the corner. Tut his hands on me. That's
what he would be saying.
Speaker 11 (01:08:58):
Man, shout out to the lines too.
Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
The footage, Yeah, definitely, I will, I will. I would compla.
I didn't compl six what I didn't six?
Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Four?
Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Like I can play. It's like I really was egregious.
Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Okay, then, with all due respect, we all think I'm
on ross Saint Brown is a top six wide receiver.
Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
I don't want to speak for everybody. I think that's fair,
all right, Koolaid thinks he's number one, but I think
he's a top six wide receiver anything in the Detroit uniform.
Qlate says they're number one, but.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
You already know me.
Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
But but I would ask you if that's a taller receiver,
it's just just Robertson make that play.
Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
He will, He'll still make the play.
Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
He's still got the inside leverage.
Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
But yeah, but there's no Calvin Johnson walk around in
the NFL to day like he had a good position.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
He was exactly where he's supposed to be.
Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
He was in the hip pocket, he tied him, he
turned around, he did every technical thing that you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Can do on that play as a dB, and he
was and he got rewarded for it.
Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
Yeah, but if it's but let's if it's Mike Evans,
if it's J.
Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
Brown, But Mike's one six five wide receiver a J.
Brown maybe because he's a man child. But like, I
don't know, because it's not like it's not a high point.
It's not a lot of receivers anymore. To high point
the ball, old school high point. Randy Monks go up.
Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
And get it. Are very young Megatron, He's gonna go
up and get it. Not a lot of receivers getting
the ball like that.
Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
A receivers now he tries to speak or they try
to use, you know, body putting the body on you,
getting you off that way a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
So uh top six Brown, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Okay, all right, I want to want to I just
I do I find it interesting if it's a if
it's a larger receiver, and you're right about the high
point stuff. You know, the Chris Carters are not are
not necessarily in the league in that standpoint per se.
Maybe Malik Neighbors just said.
Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
I don't know, but freak.
Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
But but when you have those guys are really good
at climbing over more diminutive corners and taking the ball away.
It's it's become a very strong on skill set by
the bigger wide receivers these days. If you want to
say they're not high pointed like some of the names
we've mentioned, the one thing they do very well is
their ability to time over and pulling it back. So
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that's why I ask if it's if it's two diminutive
players and I'm not taking a shot at a smaller
wide receiver, and I'm on Rossaint Brown. I'm just wondering
if that's a bigger guy. I wonder if that's the same.
Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
I will say this though, that part right there, that
play right there by Ima rossaying Brown. And I know
we're supposed to break it down with Jamo, but that
play right there by IAmA Rossaint Brown. That's the type
of play that has people questioning, is the.
Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Top five top six really?
Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
In what's the sense?
Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
It's because of what you just said when you think
about top five rivers, who is when you think about
the guys, this is one of the knocks I'm on,
there's short individual. Does that play happen If it's a
j Brown who's in the top five, Does that happen?
If that's Jamar Taes who's in the top five, does
that happen? If that's Justin Jefferson in the time five.
Does that happen? If it's elite neighbors who's not in
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the top five. But to your point, the athletic ability.
Speaker 9 (01:12:05):
Does it happen if it's Gary Wilson.
Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
I've seen Gary Wilson do that on multiple occasions, and
so there is the only part of Amar RAN's game
that people question when you say he's top five or
he's that not me talking about the masses is because
of that play, Like when you think top five, why not.
He has to be able to do everything and Amuran
Saint Brown and one on one press covers. Do you
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trust him to be able to go up and get
the ball or do you have to run around to
scheme and get him open or let him create some separation.
Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
It's one of the unique positions if you think about it,
where you do have to be able to do everything
to be in the top five. If you're talking about
a pass rusher, if you want to be known in
the top five, you gotta get home. Nobody gives a
crap about whether you're stopped the ball. The running game, unfortunately,
it's true. Okay, the edge rushers, that's what people are
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looking at. It's about picks or pass breakups. Pbu's right
wide receivers. You have to be able to That's the
unknown category of what we're just described there. It's one
thing catching the ball. People will look at drops. I'm
on rossing Brown doesn't drop him. People look at route running.
You would know this better than I would. But he
seems to be a very very strong route runner. Is
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he physical enough?
Speaker 9 (01:13:22):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
But can he do that last one thing?
Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
It's almost like, well, if you're looking at a baseball player,
you want the five tool guy. Yeah, right, if you
want the five tool guy, does he check all those boxes?
How many wide receivers are equivalent to that five tool
guy where they can do all the things that that
elite wide receiver is supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
We had to say him figured out.
Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
But I will tell you this, Tarik Hill, who didn't
have his best year last Year's manj you some other things.
Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Who's taller Tikill that I'm on Rossing Brown?
Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
I think I'm on Rossaint Brown.
Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I know Trek Kill to make that catch because I've
seen it.
Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
As short as Tarik Kill is, I've seen him make
that catch on the sideline and jumping over people or
jumping up to make the play.
Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
And this is just one play.
Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
So this isn't Yeah, it's not an indictment on it.
Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
It's not indictment at all. I also had him in
the top five. Please don't forget the listen I just
did two weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
But I know, I know Eryk Hill is going to
make that play, saying rown I'm hoping like in Terreek
Hills two inches shorter.
Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
All right.
Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
A lot of people are really excited about Jamison Williams,
and for good reason. They thought he took a large
step last year. We did a show last week on
his praise for John Morton, how he seems to be
growing different aspects of his game. What do he got
with him from training camp?
Speaker 6 (01:14:35):
This is exactly the type of involvement that you want
to see, the evolution that you want to see from
Jamison Williams. He talked about it this year. He said,
I want to be a better route runner. I want
to get better at the little things. And we saw
that step last year. He went over thousand for the
first year, fifty eight catches, He made some big play,
had some big third down conversions. I did pay attention
to that last year. But this is what I want
to see a lot of that still raw ability. He
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was just taking off running the go route, so he's
running the slow routes. Or they got a specific play
that curl out from the slot that he ran a
lot last year, Like that's a play I want him
to be able to see him do everything create separation
and man yesterday, queue it up kool aid.
Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
So right now, go back, go back, go back, go back,
Just slow down Version.
Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Two for you.
Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
This, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 9 (01:15:21):
Just do the first move.
Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Just do the first move. Hit Paul Hurt, Let's do
the first move, line of scrimmers. This is all he's
trying to do.
Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
He's trying to run a fade stop all right, Paul, okay,
paulse all right. So anyway you want to run a
phase stop. You want to sell the route like it's
a go route, like shell. You want to sell like
it's a fade out. It is not your job to
go out there and try to fade out there and
then stop. It's the quarterbacks job. You just want to
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get a nice outside release, stay in phase, keep the
dB guessing he's sticking, fade, and then as you start
to go up, then you snap and then you get out.
Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
He snapped. He created not that much, not that much movie.
He didn't waste any space. The dB is thinking it's
a fade route, which is what you want, and a
quarterback can put the ball right on the front pieline.
This is execution because people think phase, stop this thing. Okay,
you run a little bit and then you stop and jump.
It's not the case. Face stop is an actual route.
You want to get the ball to the front pipeline.
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That's what you saw on this week. We can pause
it now too, Okay, back so boom he worked. Look
work in the dB. Bang looks gets him off his square.
Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
So now he's already created the separation because he sold
the dB that he was going to go on the inside.
Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
But now as opposed to just continue to run outside,
he straightens back up. Straightening back up is how you
keep the leverage on the twenty three hit play all right,
See he's straightened it up.
Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Now he's looking for the fade fast boom, boom he
gets out.
Speaker 9 (01:16:49):
He sold it. That's what Ford can do for you.
Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
So when everyone's talking about, oh we don't need Jamo,
we can get another j Moo back in April, back
in May.
Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
No, you can't. Can not get another guy that runs
for two that is starting to understand his body like Jame.
You say, how fast he pick him up and put
him down? The dB is completely lost.
Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Now this is not Patrick certain, but guess what passer
Tain's gonna fall for this too. He is because of
the speed, because of the speed, because of the suddenness,
and because no wasted movement. He is fast, he is sudden,
he's not wasting any movement. There's nowhere for the dB
to lean on and feel like, oh, I know he's
gonna do this.
Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
What would you grade that route? Run right there?
Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
That's a A that is that's a crispy A.
Speaker 11 (01:17:33):
Look at the hands.
Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Look at that is crispy.
Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
We let that come into his body though a little bit.
I was going to say that, I don't want to
be a jerk about things. He's he's made it all right,
but those aren't hands right there, he's letting that come
into the pads.
Speaker 6 (01:17:47):
Okay, if you're gonna say that, then the quarterbacks got
put on the pipeline. I put it behind him, sure,
because we had the same situation as Mark Andrews and
Lamar Jackson, who dropped?
Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Who cares? Crodic right, who cares? I look at more
the route than I do the catch there. His ability
to find that open space, his ability to create room,
I think is really special.
Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
What habens in that two sheep?
Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Because you're absolutely correct, as a wide receiver, you want
to catch the ball with your hands.
Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
You want to make sure you use the hands the
hands of your best friend.
Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
But sometimes in spaces like that where he's reaching behind,
he doesn't know where the dB is, and if he
reaches with hands, sometimes dB can just boom, put the
hand in there and knock it down.
Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Boom, knock it down.
Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
When you do this, he put the shoulder in front
of the dB, so yeah, you don't want to catch
the body, but he blocked them with the shoulders.
Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
So now that's p I see. I love that break
First of all, it's excellent.
Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yeah, that's an excellent route. He made it easy.
Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Kudos to kool aid for getting it. Kudos to you,
break down. It's absolutely fantastic. Those of the little nuances
I love about football that I don't think any three
of us would have caught without you bringing it up
the shoulder. The ability, like first of all, straightening up
to get the corner back. Yeah, he's doing a fly.
Speaker 9 (01:19:01):
He didn't looked up right for the second.
Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
His shoulder separation or his ability to put his shoulder
between himself and the d bag that allowed him to
make the catch near the pylon.
Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
The way he made the catch I was watching the
National Championship in twenty twenty three, whatever the game was,
he got hurt and we draft him in twenty two
twenty three. So anyway, watching him in that Georgia game,
amazing balance and I thought he had strong ACLS. Apparently
he didn't, but I think we got that fix since then.
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Just amazing what he can do in terms of being
able to do. This isn't average work that people can do.
This isn't something oh, you know, well, it's it might
be fifteen. It's not that many guys in the league
that could do that in terms of the wiggle room,
in terms of the ACLS, in terms of the balance
and power.
Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
The shiftingness that low. I don't care how good you
are a dB. I don't care how good you are.
Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
You know how tough it is it's going to be
to cover Jameson Williams, if he can run like that,
if he can manipulate space like that, if he can
give himself two way goals like that, because now you're
so ready for him to go deep, you're so ready
for it to be a go route. And I just
got to take up and open up because I know
I got it wrong with him. He can put his
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foot in the ground in nine yards, at seven yards,
at fifteen yards and stop. Once he stops, you're not
stopping for at least three yards.
Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
Gonna be right. Hey, the question, yeah, do you extend him?
Do you pay him? That's the big question, and people
in Detroit want that answer. I'm not saying we can
give it to him now, nor could could Brad Holmes.
I think it'd be foolish to do. But when they're
trying to balance out who you're going to sign next,
now that you've got certain guys locked up, Brian Branch,
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who you'll break down as well, because Brian Branch has
been great because you talked about how the corners have
had their way and then we just saw wide receiver
had his way. So you're gonna bring up Branch. But
people are wondering what the prioritization is for this organization.
Not that you know particularly, but when you see plays
like that and you see a young man grow the
way he has, and we have to remind people just
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how young he truly is and how he's going to
get better, you can't help but wonder if you're a
Lions fan, well, would you sign him long term.
Speaker 6 (01:21:18):
Yes, because this wide receiver room I don't trust without him,
I don't. I don't feel the same way about the
wide receiver room as a whole without Jamison Williams.
Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
With Jamison Williams, Oh my god, I love the wide
receiver rooms. I'm around Saint Brown.
Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
He's all pro.
Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
You got jam O running, he's gonna be able to
do this.
Speaker 6 (01:21:35):
You got a couple of young kids that are like
as well, but you got Tesla on Maybe what's he
gonna be?
Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
He could learn under Tim Patrick?
Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
Take Jamo and the four to two and all the
ability to this potentially could be like, who's my number two?
Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Is it Tim Patrick? Is it Tesla? Who you're trying
to tell me is gonna be the guy?
Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Is it Loveling? The young loving the young kid out
of Georgia who is doing pretty good returns? So it's different.
Speaker 6 (01:22:01):
Jamo adds an element that only three teams maybe have
in that speed. But actually now he's developed some skill
with that speed, some route running ability, some trust with that.
Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
Like that looks freaky.
Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
You take him out of there, It's like, it's Sam
Laporta gonna get me the same numbers? Is Sam Laport
gonna give me the same mis mismatch opportunities.
Speaker 11 (01:22:23):
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to Dante. One five to one in the chat says,
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That's what it's about.
Speaker 9 (01:23:07):
So you're saying, Stephen A. Smith couldn't break down Lebron
James game. I'm just an average sports guy.
Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Let me get.
Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
Let me get a reciprocal so I can throw up
in it real quick. Somebody else in the chat said, hey, listen,
I'm on Ross Saint Brown. I'm throwing it to him
every single time. He's a first down machine. It's a
good point.
Speaker 7 (01:23:30):
He moves to chains.
Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
Only Jamar Chase had more first down catches last year.
It's I think sometimes all the time, if you're not
saying something all the time positive about one of your
better players, people think you don't like him, and that
couldn't be further from the truth. We like him a lot.
We've said he's the top six, you say he's a
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top five wide receiver in the National Football League. We're
saying though, that in order for you to be elite,
if you want to be a top five guy, if
you want to be the best guy, there are certain
plays you have to make. And I can't speak to
it as much as a guy who played the support
at the highest level. So I'm gonna take his critique
and I think it's worthy. Look, I mean there are
(01:24:12):
guys out there right now who w I want Bryce Harper,
what I want Aaron Judge? You're damn right, I would do.
Speaker 7 (01:24:19):
I worry about their swing and miss. Yes, Yeah, it's okay,
it happens.
Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Right.
Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
They're not robots, man, They're not perfect.
Speaker 11 (01:24:27):
Go ahead more more, Yeah, yeah, definitely. We got super
chess two of them to clean up. I'm gonna read
the first one on Michael where he sent the first
one was let's get those likes in the chat. We
need one hundred a sap right His second one he
sent me he sent to another one man. So shout
out to Michael Wherry with the two downs the super chat.
He says, chat, we got the one hundred plus likes,
Thank you guys to the support. We got there about
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ten minutes ago, so we got still thirty five minutes
to run these lights up. Let's get to one fifty'll
and then burn with the five downar super Chests says
if a Meet Robertson was on Justin Cheff for some JEDG,
you would have zero catches on the day. A Meek
has just been as kryptonite going back to the Raiders,
this is weird. Shut up to you guys, man, Thank
you guys for supporting out there.
Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
This is my thought on the elite wide receiver, and
we can drop it till the season starts and then
we can bring it back. When you're elite, when you're
a top five, your play transcends no matter what team
you're on. Like that's the pure definition of the eleague.
That's the pure definition of V five or the top five.
Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
So when you look at.
Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
Wide receivers, if AJ Brown plays in insert space, Justin
Jefferson insert space, I'm a run insert space, are you
confident that they.
Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Would be as as impactful as they are?
Speaker 6 (01:25:44):
Because once you do that, it takes out who's the
offensive coordinator, who's the coach, who's the running back?
Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
What's the scheme? Did you scheme them over?
Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
Can I play Devil's advocac?
Speaker 7 (01:25:54):
Doesn't it depend on who the quarterback is too?
Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Yes? I mean, with all the respect, you didn't have
great quarterbacks at your disposal. Don't tell me that didn't
play a factor in your production. It absolutely does. So
how can we say that it transcends if you don't
have the right quarterback. Now, with that said, I would
have been wrong last year about Justin Jefferson, who had
a hell of a year because his quarterback had a
hell of a year and his quarterback probably a big
(01:26:19):
reason he had hell of a year was because Justin
Jefferson was on his team. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
True, you still have some quarterbacks that you still have
receivers that get yards with quarterbacks that are just okay. Now,
you still have guys like Brian Thomas Junior found eleven
hundred yards last year with the Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, who has given us nothing?
Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
Yeah? Good point.
Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Yeah you can, so you can. You can receive good receivers,
fine yards regardless, Yeah, or good players.
Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
Yeah. I just think I think the quarterback is a
the debate will Ray John forever. And I don't know
if there's always the right answer, but I distinctly remembering
taking phone calls from people. The only reason Stafford is
any good is because he's got Kelvin Johnson. I'm like,
what he's made some other guys pretty good? Did we
say that about Joe Montana? Seriously? I mean, did we
(01:27:09):
say that about other great quarterbacks who had John mckews
a really good tight end? Does anybody say that about
Johnny and Nicie didn't? Did anyone? Seriously? When Dan Fouts
was thrown for all those yards, did anybody say that
about the people he had at his disposal, like Charlie Joyner,
like John Jefferson, like Kellen Winslow Senior? What about Dan Marino?
(01:27:30):
He had the he had the marks, right, he had
and Clayton they were phenomenal. They weren't tall they weren't Megatron,
but they were damn good receivers. Any would say that
about them? No, why is that so?
Speaker 7 (01:27:43):
I just think it goes hand in hand.
Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
I think it's really hard to be a really high
end receiver if you don't have a decent enough I
would say, a very good quarterback.
Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
What does Amon ros season look like if he's in
place of a J. Brown, because Jalen Hurts is now quarterback,
what does this season look like?
Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
I'm alright, well, I don't know. I bet personally, I
think I don't know what Jalen Hurts has to do
to impress people. I mean, he's done just about everything
you could ask for. If this is anybody other than
Jalen Hurts who sometimes has seen as a running quarterback,
look at his numbers, Look at his playoff numbers, look
at his collegiate numbers, look at his regular season numbers.
All that dude does is win football game. And you know, okay,
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and everybody not saying Braylan does, but everybody just wants
to go I'll tell you what, man, I'll take this
guy off our Galen Hurts any single day.
Speaker 7 (01:28:32):
Oh why, he's got a great offensive line.
Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Oh so if you've got a great offensive the team game, right,
the team sport, the ultimate team sport. If you have
an offensive line, punish you, Shame on you. Doesn't make
any sense to me.
Speaker 11 (01:28:44):
Look In as much as I love Jared Goff, I
gotta admit, it's still weird to see him popping up
ahead of Jalen Hurts and like quarterback rankings and such.
It's a weird thing, I get to it. He seems
to be for a guy who just won the Super Bowl,
he seems to be one of those guys that easily
gets dismissed when you talk about the elite in the
great quarterbacks in this league. They just find a way,
(01:29:06):
at least the list i've seen to put him in
like seven or eight, and a lot of times behind Jared.
Speaker 6 (01:29:11):
Golf or like one he's black, and two like he
threw for fifteen touchdowns last year.
Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
If I don't know being black has anything to do
with Patrick Mahomes is number one.
Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Because Patrick Mahomes won three to four Super bowls. Lamar Jackson.
Lamar Jackson is doing things that no one has ever
done except Mike Vick.
Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
But he hasn't won any playoff games, and that's where.
Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Pick and people always say the same thing about him.
Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
But he's still in the top five. Yes, every person's list,
every poll. They haven't.
Speaker 6 (01:29:38):
It's just true because he has to be. You can't
negate it like Lamar Jackson in this league. You cannot negate,
Like Patrick Mahomes in this league, you cannot negate. So, yes,
they're up there. Jalen Hurts is very negatable due to
his stats, due to previous I.
Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
Think it's because of his stature. I think he's been
in the league seven years, He's been to the playoffs
seven times. He's been the top two MVP slash Heisman
twice combining his colleague. Okay, it's been a super Bowl.
His one long one loss record. Okay, regular season and postseason.
Anybody want to care to guess? One hundred Okay, just
(01:30:16):
one hundred and nine games. What do you think the
wins are for?
Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Probably eighty eighty?
Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
What do you say, kool aid?
Speaker 11 (01:30:22):
He said that one wat thanks for paying.
Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Attention, Lisa. One hundred and nine games. Yeah, what would
his wins be? He answers eighty nine, eighty nine and twenty.
Speaker 8 (01:30:35):
I was about to say ninety eighty nine and twenty
I would have lost that price, is right, yaw yeah,
And so.
Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
To me, it's it's confusing. And look, we're all guilty
of it.
Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
We all just okay, I've got I've got the top five.
Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
Who's QB six? That's what everybody loves to answer, because
we all know who the five are, right, and then
the debate really starts at six. And to kool Aid's point, yeah,
Jared goffs in that discussion, how many people have Jalen
her not.
Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
He'll never get that credit because we'll never be able
to unsee him getting benched at halftime in the National
Championship game and then getting drafted third round. Like that's
you say what you want to that's what it is.
All the stars. You don't have that story for him.
You can't see that he started on getting benched, not
being good enough, quote unquote, having to transfer to Oklahoma
(01:31:21):
and which what did he do?
Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Came up short yet again at Oklahoma? So then now
is is he a quarterback? Is he a hybrid? Can
we bring him in? Yeah, we'll draft him, but we'll
draft him in the second third round. Struggles, So like
all people can see is got benched, struggle struggle.
Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Struggle, Oh what he wants. It's the offensive line, it's
the defense, it's how he rolls man. It's Saquon Rushes
for two thousand. Because we cannot take our minds out
of he got benched for to a tongue of Ila
and to a tongue of Ilo. Ain't that good in
the NFL? No disrespect. So if he's not and he
got benched for him, people can't see past that.
Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
That's a really good point. Personally, I don't even look
at that, cause I look at his NFL career, but
I'm the one who inserted the collegiate aspect of it,
So it's an excellent point. But I guess I would
immediately go to Tom Brady. I mean, tom Brady shared
snaps with Drew Henson. Tom Brady was a six round choice.
We're all well aware of it. Tom Brady didn't start
right away, so he was able to how many people
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look at his collegiate career where he wasn't even mentioned
in the Heisman or where he had to share time,
and that he was a sixth round draft pick. The
sixth round is shoved down our throat on a regular
basis because he's the greatest of all time. But it
is interesting how we label players or where we remember
what they do or did not do, and then keep
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them tagged with that for as long as they play.
Speaker 6 (01:32:43):
I got a great one on the opposite. All right,
Trevor Lawrence. Why are we still thinking he's gonna beat
his great quarterback? It's because he won the national championship.
It's because he'd beat Alabama. It's because he was a
Gatorway Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
It's because they told us that Trevor Lawrence was the
next coming when he paid him to under fifty round dollars.
Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
So it's the composite say they told us for so
long that Trevor was this guy. People still waiting for
Trevor to show up news flesh. He ain't coming right.
Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
He ain't coming right.
Speaker 7 (01:33:09):
And by the way, I think, I think it also
ain't coming.
Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
It also helps his size and his arm strength. We're
just enamored with it. We could he could be the
second coming to Jeff George and it just wasn't happening, right.
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want to move on without you bringing up the Brian
Branch example either. Now I don't want you in front
of us. I would love to see it on the
big screen and you walk me through it. If I
can stand Kenny Smith doing that, I can stand.
Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
Eventually is imagine wireless. So now imagine that I have boom,
I put on my wireless headphone.
Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
That's right, yep.
Speaker 11 (01:39:50):
As he's doing a breakdown, you can take you do
what he says, I'm gonna narrate this.
Speaker 5 (01:39:54):
So he gets back to his microphone. People there you go.
How you get off the line of script. But if
we if we have that breakdown here, you get the
pointer and you do what you're supposed to do like
you do in a in a film session. Yeah, so
Brian Brian Branch, which I would love you know, I mean,
you talk about film watching how much we fire.
Speaker 11 (01:40:16):
Me Yet, man, I got fired up with the segments
to day.
Speaker 7 (01:40:19):
You get goose gets.
Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
You think you watch film or you think you watch
a game the right way, then you watch it with
a guy who did it for a living. Yeah, it's
two separate things, like I.
Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Don't what we can't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
I don't watch games the same way I watched them
before I got into television. So for example, I watch replays,
I watch timing of graphic, I watch it for content
and storytelling, all these different ways that I watch it.
When you watch a football game while we're watching the football,
I'd love to know what he's watching, but I'd love
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to show him, show us the various things that made
a certain place successful. Chalkboard, call it chalk talk whatever,
Go right ahead, Braitlan's breakdown is perfect for it. We've
got one more right. I want to tell us a
little bit about Brian branch of what you noticed.
Speaker 6 (01:41:07):
So this came out of camp, and this is something
I noticed last season, but had a couple of people inside.
Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
It's my friends that are in the business. They were
talking about today.
Speaker 6 (01:41:17):
Him not getting drafted because of his dB skill as
well as his speed is criminal. It is criminal. That's
what came up last year. Can he cover the slide receiver?
Can he cover receivers on tight ends on the outside.
It's gonna this is gonna be a problem for him,
the lack of speed and ladies and gentlemen, he's going
to be the best player on defense if he already
isn't like this is this is my this is my
take hold on, hold on, this is my.
Speaker 11 (01:41:38):
Not best in the in amongst the defensive backs. You
said best player on the defense that does have Aden Hutchison,
who they say is showing out right now.
Speaker 6 (01:41:47):
And yeah, I said what I said, Brian branch is
and will be the best player on the defense for
the Detroit Lions. The things that he's doing at camp.
Ladies and gentlemen. Uh, I'm a Ron Saint Brown and
had to catch on him in two days. Wow, this
is coming out of the camp.
Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
This is coming from people I trust hasn't had to
catch on him in the last two days.
Speaker 6 (01:42:07):
I saw some film via a phone. It's his technique,
the technique that you see in Mick Robertson. We need
to talk to his DV coach because the dB for
the Detroit Lions right now. They know what they're doing.
But I'm just excited that his technique is there. He
has the comfortability one he gets the opportunity to work
with an all pro wide receiver on the daily basis
is I'm a Rod Saint Brown, but he's locked into that.
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I think the dynamics of his speed and say he
looks faster this year. He's a blitzing safety that can
cover wide receivers or tight ends, that can legitimately be
where you need to.
Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
And he is a high impact player. I'm talking about action.
That's what I was talking about. Those players are rare
these days, like they're rare.
Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
He is an old school Earl Thomas, but and Earl
Thomas like damn good coming out of Texas.
Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
He just reminds me of what Earl can do. But
I think even better in dB space.
Speaker 6 (01:42:57):
So if the trajectory stays the same, he's going to
be the best player, maybe even on his team.
Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
I just see how much different. I just see something
different than him.
Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
Let me ask you, how much do you think it
helps a guy like Brian Branch to go up against
guys like I'm on Ross, Saint Brown and Jamison Williams
and vice versa, to go up against guys who you've
already broken down, but also including Brian Branch.
Speaker 6 (01:43:20):
He's seeing all types of wide receivers across the spectrum.
You're seeing the tall wide receiver in Tesla. I mean,
he's young, so he'll be to have his way with Tesla.
But you're seeing a young, gifted physical specimen that he's
given up hep, he's given up speed, he's given up
some size.
Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
He has to rethink his inks.
Speaker 6 (01:43:36):
Jamison Williams, who he went to college with, who's already
worked with Jamo run four two and is dropping his
hips y'all better than making the stallion at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Boy, Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
So like to get a chance to work with him
on a day to day basis. And I'm on rust
Saint Brown in terms of the cerebral space. That he
plays young and he's physical. You know that's good for
Brian Browns too. Brian's a physical type of safety, is
a physical secondary guy. So he's working out with three
different types of and Tim Patrick as well, who was
a high pointer, if you will. He's learning a lot
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of different skills at that dB position.
Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Not to mention he's figured the safety.
Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Part of so shout out to t Shae Townson run
so he would be the passing game, defense and defensive backs.
Speaker 6 (01:44:20):
Coach Deshae used to come to the Reggie mccamp, I
mean the Jerome Battis camp when I was going, and
eventually I helped work the campus.
Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Well, Shae was way back then. Yeah, I told you
I overlap with people.
Speaker 11 (01:44:31):
Hey, I do gotta you know, I was talking about
the defense. You did spark a little bit of something
in the chat here Lions fifty seven restorecttion p this
top three defensive players Hutch number one, Branch number two,
and number three Jack Campbell. Who would be your top three?
Bro and shut?
Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
That's that's fine.
Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (01:44:51):
The only thing about that is Ayden didn't get to
where everyone thinks he did. Like people think Aiden finished
runner up in the Defensive Player of the Year. They
think they think he finished top three. He never got
to that point because injury. So watch out, it's gonna
take some time. I heard some things out of camp
by him too, shedding blocks right now. But so you
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got what brand Brian Brants won. Jack Campbell two, Aiden three.
Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
I'm not an idiot. Aiden's definitely the straw potency I
could start to drink.
Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
But when when you look at his pressures, I mean,
the guy played less than half a season. He was
still top thirty five in sacks, which is crazy, and
still was among the league leaders in quarterback pressures overall.
That's how dominant he was early on. I understand the hesitation.
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I would probably put Hutchinson one branch to maybe even
either a DJ Reeder or Kirby Joseph three. Okay, I
like Jack Campbell a lot, I really do, but uh,
DJ Reid has proven an awful lot, and uh Jack
Campbell has not done what Kirby Joseph has done.
Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
Done it with this team now like he did it
with one of the best defenses essentially in the last
three years.
Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
Yeah, with that defensive.
Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Line, with being on the opposite side, he wasn't even
he was dB two.
Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
Yeah, well yeah, that's what that's He was overshadowed by
Sauce Gardner. Shout out to the detroiter, but he technically
he had a better year than Sauce Gartner. So he's
going against the number two DBS wide receivers. You mean
he's going against the number two wide receivers. Okay, I
don't know the breakdown of their of how often that
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was taking place. Uh, you know, were they playing a
certain side of the field or were they playing certain
wide receivers and was always that way? I'm not sure.
All I know is that he had pretty good success
and he's looked really good in camp so far. So
I would probably just because he didn't do it Detroit.
I try not to punish him. Kirby Joseph might be
number three for me. It's it's hard to look past
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what he did a year ago. I think we're splitting Harris.
I think it's a great conversation and it's fun, maybe
for the first time in a long time that we're
even able to rank as many as any players as
we have in this conversation.
Speaker 11 (01:47:13):
And it is it really is tough. I think you
can ask ten to twenty different people and you're gonna
see at least four or five combinations, because even yours,
I was like, you can't really say anyone's wrong. I
think that that's a good Problem's beautiful, the first world
problems for the Detroit line.
Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
Yeah, amen to that, So quick question for you guys
before we get out of here. You know, we get
the mail bag coming up. So a couple of things.
Two things first and foremost, Luka Doncicz looks like a
completely different person. Okay. You know when he played in Dallas,
he looked like he had breakfast, lunch, and dinner at
dunkin Donuts.
Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
He also averaged thirty three, twelve and eleven.
Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
Yeah, unbelievable numbers. Still one of the greatest players in
the world. Dallas was ripped constantly because they actually brought
that up. They actually brought up that he's not in
great shape. Anybody who watched him play a full game, Well,
I think I think.
Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
It does matter.
Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
I do.
Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
I think it does matter. Anybody who ever watched him
play record offensively gifted, without question.
Speaker 7 (01:48:16):
But how many times would you have been.
Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
Pissed off if your guys not running back and playing
mat at or defense or do you want him to
just be one type of player? I would like complete
players personally. If I'm going to pay a superstar and
he's gonna get the extension this weekend with the Lakers,
and rightfully so, it's I would like if I'm gonna
pay him that much money, I want him to play
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both ends of the floor. Is that so bad?
Speaker 9 (01:48:40):
But I feel like both ends has nothing to do
with his physique. He could just play defense and.
Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
It has to do with it whether or not he
can get up and down.
Speaker 9 (01:48:47):
I mean, it doesn't stop him from what was his average.
Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
This is twenty twenty five. Like no one plays both
ways anymore. Like you got a handful of guys that
play both ways.
Speaker 5 (01:48:56):
So we've accepted.
Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
So okay, Yeah, Like to complain about to me is
absurd at this point, my guys, I think it's deeper
than just being in shape and all. They wanted me
to get in shaved and I didn't want to get
in shaved, and then he traded me, so now this
is my revenge body. I think there was a lot
of fracture in this with the Dallas matter.
Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
I think.
Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
So he got drafted by Mark Cuban, who then sold
the team. He went to the Western Conference finals with
Jaalen Brunston. Then they got rid of Jalen Brunson. So
I think for him it was like a rebellious like
they don't want to give me one hundred percent, I'm
not giving them one percent. I'm gonna do my offensive deal,
which I always do, which is gonna be enough, and.
Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
The other stuff will figure out.
Speaker 7 (01:49:31):
Okay, he's gone, that's fine. Uh, And to each his own.
Speaker 5 (01:49:35):
I just I find it, and I don't think Dallas
did the right thing by any stretch, But I do
find it rather humorous that suddenly he's in great shape
and everyone's like, wow, when you put his mind to it,
look at what he can do. That's what Dallas was
asking him to do in the first place. And I
don't think it's out of reach that an organization, when
you reward a player for as much money as he's earning,
(01:49:56):
to expect them to stay in shape instead of eating
cheeseburgers at night and donuts in the morning. So that's
number one and number two. If we're willing to accept
that some people are you guys are I'm not, then
I assume that's okay in just about every sport, like
you don't that the strikeouts don't bother you one bit
in baseball.
Speaker 9 (01:50:17):
Right, Oh, it's the physique doesn't bother me.
Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
Not No, you're saying, you're saying he doesn't. I'm telling
you he doesn't play both ends of the floor. You
say it's twenty twenty five, it doesn't matter anymore. You
say it doesn't matter. All that matters, say.
Speaker 9 (01:50:27):
Off physique doesn't man When they complain about him not
looking like he's in.
Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
Shape, yeah, and my response to you was yeah, because
it's it is affecting his defense.
Speaker 7 (01:50:35):
He can't get down the floor.
Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
You gad to have watched him.
Speaker 8 (01:50:40):
My argument is that it doesn't affect his offense. He
doesn't eat, he doesn't want to play defense. That's that's
that's a mental thing, not as nothing to do with physique, because.
Speaker 5 (01:50:47):
Once I think it's I think it's both.
Speaker 9 (01:50:49):
It's both.
Speaker 5 (01:50:50):
I don't understand he may not want to. I don't
think he can because he's carrying forty extra lbs.
Speaker 11 (01:50:57):
And the way you really noticed it is with the
new Guard death start in the enter the league, they
just look a tick faster than Luca. Even in games
where you see Luka and Kay, everybody say kay, it
is slower. But it's just a difference. And I know
that takes a lot of pride in like his physique,
his health, his regiment similar to I got Braden up there,
you know, But when you look at Luca, I've noticed
(01:51:19):
that the height that he had, it really started to cool.
He is still an offensive elite player, but I do
believe him being like in better shape and being more
consciously aware about that will make him even greater.
Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
He's one of the best offensive players I've ever seen. Yeah, okay,
he's one of the best shoots I've ever seen her though.
All I'm saying is personally, I like my superstars to
play both ends of the floor. Yeah to it. And
if that's the if it's gone away in today's NBA
or if it's gone away in today's professional sports, what
are we willing to surrender in football? Are you okay
(01:51:53):
with drop passes? What difference does it make as long as.
Speaker 7 (01:51:55):
He's got a hundred?
Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
Why?
Speaker 9 (01:51:56):
But that has nothing to do with the physique.
Speaker 7 (01:51:59):
No, No, it's I'm talking about playing both.
Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
I'm playing got to to the fullest of your position.
And I know it's a little different because basketball you
got to play both ends of the floor. Football you don't.
So it's probably an unfair example, but you do have
to play the full game.
Speaker 6 (01:52:16):
When you let James Harden win the MV and P
and told me he's the best player in the league
in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't vote that.
Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
I understand what I did.
Speaker 5 (01:52:24):
In fact, I had I have a debate on TV
about that. He did.
Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Yes, the players voted for correct, the media voted for
like the time voted for. So I knew that at
the end of the day is what it is.
Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
Every once in a while, you get lucky and you
have an MVP like Giannis who plays defense and plays offense, you.
Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Know, but for the most part offensive. That's the league
we play.
Speaker 5 (01:52:47):
Yeah, that's the reason I do like a guy like
I like the under the radar guys like Pascal Siakam
and play players like that who can give me both
ends of the floor.
Speaker 11 (01:52:59):
Give me Yakam here in Detroit, Man before he went
to the Pacers. That was a player that we were hoping,
especially with this Tis Dwayne case, that they could get
here because we still do not have a player like that.
We hope that guys like Jalen Doran can step into
humane health and Siaka stuff, But we still don't have
a player like that, and I think we destinally need.
Speaker 5 (01:53:18):
I don't disagree. Let's get to the mailbag.
Speaker 11 (01:53:20):
I was just about to say, man, the people are
inspired by Brylan's in cheps top three, top four, top
five defensive players. Here me for the line. So we
got some of that and we got some questions as well.
We'll start with the list and now I'll tell you
guys the questions. Uh, we'll start with the super chat.
Michael or Wherry sends in his top five defensive players.
Two down of super chat, he has Ada Hudson, Brian
(01:53:42):
Branch Kirby, Joseph Alee McNeil, and Terry On Arnold. Man,
what do you guys think about that one? He said
to the super chest. So I figured I throw it
back to the death.
Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
That's a good one.
Speaker 6 (01:53:51):
And beyond this, based on the player of Alasko, he
was just probably the case I just leave's not playing
right now, So I didn't think they put him on there.
But I have a problem with that at all. I
think he started to take that jump last year. And
I go back to that Indianapolis coach game. Coach may
not have been any good, Anthony Richards may not have
been any good, but Quentin Nelson is one of the
best offensive linemen in the NFL in the past twenty
(01:54:11):
five years.
Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
You can say what you want to. He got dishrag
bout Aleen McNeil. Like when I say.
Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
Dishrag by Allen McNeil, Yeah, I forget. Yeah, I can't
wait till he gets back.
Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
You know how I feel about Terry and Arnold. I
think he's gonna have a really good year, and I
really like it. But I would put Jack campbellhead of
Terry on Arnold without questioning.
Speaker 11 (01:54:31):
Te definitely, definitely. And I see here our fossil said
Allen McNeil over DJ Reader and then a lot of
hutch love in here to get to some of these
other lists, josephs hutch Branch, Joseph Enzo and Campbell, and
then I'm seeing a lot of Randall Small he says,
hutch Branch and McNeil for him for his top three.
Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
I think Alee McNeil's a little underrated. I agree, I
mean league wide, I mean fan media wise, league wide,
if you want to, I think coaches really respect him,
but I don't think he gets enough love.
Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
It's crazy too, because before the twenty twenty three season,
remember he was at ESPN.
Speaker 6 (01:55:07):
He got voted the league Freak. He was one of
the guys they did. Like the preseason voting, the players
were his.
Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
You remember that kool aid.
Speaker 6 (01:55:15):
His was like like biggest freak in terms of the
ability to come off the ball, low, drive the drive
the pile.
Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Yeah, and then he started playing well or playing up
to last year.
Speaker 5 (01:55:24):
He'll be last season. Yeah, this is gonna say its
before lastyear he'll be missed.
Speaker 10 (01:55:28):
Heck.
Speaker 5 (01:55:28):
Yeah, it's hard to replace guys who are I mean,
I think he's an elite defensive tackle. I really do.
I think he's It's tough to replace those guys. You know,
it's no, I don't think it's much different. Ragnow was
probably better at his position than McNeil was at his
rag Now is unbelievable. Those guys. You just don't find
those guys and plug in and play and say, oh
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we're gonna be just fine and.
Speaker 6 (01:55:50):
I'm gonna take some time and I'm glad. This ties
back into the beginning of the show. Ye tie real Williams.
He was able to pull that out of Lean Williams,
like that's that's gonna be one. But the cool thing
about is when you have coaches that he knew he
wasn't gonna be here past last year. He knew going
into the situation, when my boy gets a job, I'm
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going with my boy.
Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
The Lions knew that as well. I guarantee you.
Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
He passed his information to his defensive line in such
a way like, look, this is what you gotta do,
this is what I want you to watch. I just
want you to down into I think they had that
conversation because he knew he wasn't gonna be your past
once Verbel got a job.
Speaker 5 (01:56:28):
In case people were wondering, that's where he is now,
he's with Mike Rabel and Newing.
Speaker 11 (01:56:31):
Hey, I got a fun well, Stephen Baf He just
sent to his top three or five current defensive players
Hutch Branch, Kirby and Reed and Arnold and said, from
what he's seen this year, he thinks this this Allion's
defense is going to be top five. But here's a
fun question from Joe, says melbag Braylan. If you could
have chosen to play any other position than wide receiver
in the NFL, which would have been like that stop
(01:56:55):
in any league or you know, let's say football as
well as any leage.
Speaker 6 (01:57:01):
Football and safety. I like hitting people, and when I
was playing like safeties got paid. I still could be
a ball.
Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
I still ze come on, brons bad. That's why so
safety because I lay cats out. I love it.
Speaker 5 (01:57:22):
How many wide receivers do you know love to hit?
Or is that a misconception because that that's the belief.
It's like, oh man, they don't want to get after.
Speaker 6 (01:57:30):
Once today unless they played for the Lions. They don't
really because even the bigger ones stay like A J.
Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Brown is a big dude. AJ is not out there
trying to hit, but he's trying to catch passes d
d K. He's not trying to hit either. A big dude, yeah,
but being big doesn't mean you want to hit. D
likes to hit.
Speaker 6 (01:57:46):
If you like, get under his skin, you can get
him off his square. That was one of the reasons
why like going to Steelers and get paid all that money.
Everybody's like you, sure, you pay him, you can get
him out of his game, and now he wants to
turn into you want to walk up. But as soon
as the game starts, I rather I'd rather run play
so I can set the tone for myself mentally, so
I can go out smack somebody. Now I got the
(01:58:09):
adrenaline going. Now I'm cool. Now I can play games. Now,
catch a pass running around? What's the concept?
Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
I always prefer to run first.
Speaker 11 (01:58:17):
And if it's not wide receiver, if it's not safety,
my man gonna be a home run hitter.
Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
Here.
Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
You already know, you.
Speaker 6 (01:58:22):
Already know centerfield. Sign King Griffy Jr. Sign me up
in center field, and.
Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
I'm back and forth.
Speaker 11 (01:58:29):
Chack got some good questions, man, They said, what combo?
Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
This is a good one.
Speaker 11 (01:58:35):
What combo the Lion's secondary bracket. Would you rather not
seeing coverage Arnold and Joseph or reading brands?
Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Reading? Man, give me Arnold and Joseph. I don't want
to see that. I wouldn't want to see them.
Speaker 6 (01:58:50):
To you said, and like me as a as a
wide out, I ain't sweating either one of them, sweating
either one of them.
Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Line them up, I was gonna say.
Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
When he answered that question, I was taken aback. I'm like,
wait a minute, you're telling me you wouldn't want to
see any of those guys and you don't mind seeing
any of us?
Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
Man, you can laying off for the route them up, bro.
Speaker 11 (01:59:13):
But he looked back at me like, waita hit.
Speaker 7 (01:59:16):
Me late me, make sure I got this right.
Speaker 11 (01:59:19):
You're talking.
Speaker 5 (01:59:19):
You're talking to me, you're talking to me.
Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Yeah, I would, but see I love DB's at home
because that doesn't bother me.
Speaker 6 (01:59:27):
And that's when I would say, like, I didn't complain.
I wasn't one that was looking for a flat.
Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
I didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (01:59:31):
You know why when you don't complains, ref let you
get your thing off too. So like, all right, he
try to hold me, I'm gonna break your arm throughout
this course of this game.
Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
I'm gonna put this down on yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:59:43):
Hold me, I love.
Speaker 11 (01:59:44):
Here's another one for both of you guys, from Randall
Small Salt to random hoss Man. That guy supports and
supports and supports, and I promise you rand We're gonna
continue to get the chat more and more involved. We
got segments were cooking up man, but he gotta say this.
Do you guys think that Kelvin Sheppard, Hey, kkg well
blitz more this year using linebackers and DB's I am
(02:00:06):
hoping so we saw the stunts that they pulled out.
Speaker 5 (02:00:08):
He may have to. He may have to, especially early on.
Speaker 6 (02:00:11):
Yeah, yeah, with the defensive linemand question especially kind of
in the middle. And you don't want guys in a chance,
so maybe send some some shots. But you got the
guys to do That's the thing. The thing is, whatever
you want to do, you have the guys to do it.
Speaker 5 (02:00:24):
All I say is, if you're gonna do that, make
sure you get home number one. I think it does
help him that his corners are going to be better.
I do. I think DJ Reid's gonna help with that.
We always think that it's just the guys who are
doing the rushing. In order for them to rush, they
got to have confidence with the people on the back end,
and I think they'll do just that. We appreciate all
the chats. We appreciate all the feedback. It's always welcome
(02:00:46):
for Ricky and kool Aid and the man who's named
after the show, Raylan Edwards. I'm Matt Shepherd. Have a
great rest of your Tuesday. We'll see it four say.
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