Braylon Edwards Show with Shep I Thursday, July 17th, 2025

Braylon Edwards and Matt Sheppard dive into the latest in Detroit Sports!

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This is the Brailan Edwards Show with Shep. He is
Brailan Edwards. I am Matt Sheppard. We're glad you're with
us on this Thursday afternoon and you will be traveling
sometime soon. You look sharp as always. How are you
my friends?

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Appreciate it man. Good to talk to you. Good to
see you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I will be man.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
I'm going back to a place in which, you know,
bought me some good times, brought me some bad times.
But I think at forty two, I'm ready to let
by guys be by guys man and start a new man.
I'm going back to Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
The Cleveland has come about.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
So listen apreciate that Ricky knows we're gonna have this
conversation because I told Ricky I'll get into that. But
I work with a group from time to time, and
they present me with, you know, things that if I
want to do it, I can do it. Then it'll
be a conversation. Blah blah blah. This one came across
right at the right time. Ricky and I were talking essentially,

(01:41):
and I said, I want to bury the hatchet with Cleveland.
Those of you that don't know Ohio Michigan, they hate
each other. Ohio hates Michigan a lot worse Ohio state Michigan.
There's a rivalry there. But the city of Cleveland, City
and Cincinnati fast forward, they had everything that is north
of them, which is State of Michigan, all the cities.
It was rough. When I got drafted. I could have
not known what it would be like playing in Cleveland.

(02:05):
I assumed that the rivalry was Ohio State Michigan. Once
that's over, you're in our town.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sincere like here, like we do here.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
On her Derek Alexander played there, Leroy Hord played there.
Fast forward. It's not the same there. And then when
your team isn't having success and they're still bad and
they're still pissed that they left that, you know what's
his name sold the teams still mad Old Modell says,
the team. So my four or five years in Cleveland

(02:36):
was given take. There was great times like seven you
make the Pro Bowl, sixteen touchdowns, break records the whole
nine year. But the other time I was there three
and thirteen, somebody's got paid for it. They egged my house,
they broke windows out in my car. This is legit
things that they did, especially around November the Michigan Ohio

(02:57):
State game. And I was always like, but I played
for your city, Like let go looking back forty two
years old, you can't make the whole of Cleveland pay
for a few people, or you can't let a few
people curve your mind. Cleveland, Caleb Browns, they took an opportunity.

(03:19):
They drafted kid out of Michigan, gave me a platform.
They gave me four and a half years. There was
some great years made the Pro Bowl. I met some
amazing people within your organization, within that city. I was
able to work with them and educate some of their
kids and do scholarships. So much good happened in Cleveland
that the couple comments a couple of things online and
a couple things that my insurance Thank god I had

(03:41):
good insurance covered. It's forgettable. And so I got this
opportunity to go to Key Bank, work with them, do
some autographs, signed, some pictures, a fireside chat if you will.
Things like this are important because I've been missing out
on This is a major part of my life. You
get drafted at twenty two, you know I was there

(04:01):
till I was twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Essentially, those are the most formulive years of your life.
I'll have a college.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, so I'm excited. I'm a excited guy. Put me
on this path. I'm besided, just came about and I'm
excited to get to Cleveland, man, and see what the
response is. I think awesome too. I never what we think.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Let me ask you this. Did you talk to other
players who played at Michigan in Cleveland and see how
they were treated to try and prepare you for that experience.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
I never did. But on the flip side of that question,
I had conversations with players that came after me. I
never talked to Derek Alexander. I never talked to Leroy Hoore.
Aaron sha was there, so I got so. Aaron was
there when I got drafted shot, so I got a
chance to talk to Aaron. Aaron. Aaron's just a likable
guy wherever he goes. After I played this ship, I

(04:49):
told Jabrill Peppers, I say, hey, Cleveland as a mission
as a Michigan Wolverine, it's a different type of place.
I said, you better be on your p's and q's.
You better be about football and all the extra stuff
that you want to do. Don't do it in Ohio.
You want to go out and have fun, go to Miami,
you go out of the country. Don't do anything in
Ohio but play football. Don't question anything. Well, he didn't listen.

(05:12):
And then his first interview when he got traded to
the Giants, it was with the New York Times and
it was about being a Michigan player in Ohio. Same
thing happened with Donovan Peoples. Jones try to tell him
that information, shout the DPJA, love him, love his mom,
and mom and his go to church together. He didn't
want to listen either. As soon as he left the
first thing, he said, Man, why you ain't tell me

(05:33):
it was gonna be like this?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Correction?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
He did tell you.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
Exactly what's right.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
And now you got another one this year.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, you got drafted being ground fish.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
And I got a question for you, what do you
think the reception is going to be? And how has
it been on social media? At least recently. I can
get maybe a time ago when you were there and
you were the end the heat of the moment.

Speaker 8 (05:53):
And I thought you spelled it out perfectly. But what
do you think that reception.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Is going to be like when you go back taking
the time look at it, man, talking to my mom
and people by. I think the reception is gonna be well.
And I only have been thinking that within the last month,
Like I never would have thought the reception as well.
I assume so much of the smaller population versus what
the bigger population is, it's gonna be a well received
crowd if you will. It's still some haters on social media,

(06:17):
and that's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's always gonna happen. I mean, you're never I mean
social media is the bane of our existence for the
most part, So don't let that ruin you. A friend
of mine, Kirk Gibson, once said, you're climbing the ladder.
Everybody's grabbing it your ankles, trying to pull you down.
So I try not to judge everything by social media.
And I'm glad you have the expression where you're not
gonna paint everybody with the broad bruss, right. I don't

(06:39):
think to Ricky's point, Taylor Decker gets drafted here. Yeah,
Chris Bielman was here. Tydick Williams is now here. I
think people were wanted him to be successful, for sure,
and the reason they may not have embraced him as
much had nothing to do for I can understand with
Lyle State. It's just that you want to have a

(07:00):
corner and here sure wasn't worth a top five pick.
So I think they're in life. Maybe the difference. Maybe
I'm living in a little bit of a bubble there.
Maybe there are people out there. Taylor Decker could correct me,
Chris Pielman could correct me. I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
I've always looked at Ohio is not caring about what
you did on the football field in terms of this
was the perception. Then in terms of the comments, like
they still saw University of Michigan, and then when the
team's not having any success, it's a constant reminder. So
it's just different. You look at LSU and Alabama, they
hate each other, it's a huge driver. But when Crimson
Tack has get drafted to New Orleans Saints, who that

(07:39):
You're now remember who that nation? So it's just different
in Ohio. I remember giving a clerk very first time
I went to a grocery store in Ohio when I
got my house, I gave it clerk. You know my IDs.
I was buying some alcohol at the grocery store amongst groceries. Oh,
you're from Michigan. She didn't care about football, right, all

(08:00):
she saw was Michigan and instantly she heated up. So
that's deeply rooted in the state of Ohio. F the
whole state of Michigan, which is in their fights.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Wow, that's fine. F two, but bright, here's the other question. Right, okay,
talk not about the reception, but when you.

Speaker 8 (08:14):
Go back there, what is that to do in Cleveland?

Speaker 9 (08:16):
Man?

Speaker 8 (08:17):
What is that to do? Do they got a night life?

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Have you been?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Have you been to Cleveland?

Speaker 7 (08:21):
I've been there, but I've never been there to experience. Say,
the scene's got.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Some good spots man, Yeah, I mean, what do you mean?
What what is there to do? Can you imagine? I
did an interview once with a guy in Seattle, and
he started it by saying, you know, I was in
Detroit and I was there to cover this event, and
I stayed in my hotel because I didn't want to
go out because I didn't want to get shot. And
I literally said to him, I said, so you're gonna
bring me on. You're gonna rip on my city when

(08:48):
you don't even experience my city.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
You're an idiot.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, not being small mighty.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
What's there to do in Cleveland? You've been there, but
you've never been out in Cleveland. Bray, what's there to
do in Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (09:00):
I'm not gonna let you jump on before like that,
because for years, there was nothing to do in Cleveland
outside of like if you're talking about the normal. You
can go to any city and go to a restaurant.
You go to any city and find a place to shop.
You can go to any city and go to an
establishment and have some excitement. Why you watch a game.
You can do this in any city in America. So, yes,
there are those things. But when I went to Cleveland

(09:21):
and five, it was a much different city. The flats
were a desolate town. They kept trying to sell me
on the flats. The flats is the most amazing thing.
It wasn't what they made it out to be. Maybe
it was in ninety seven when the Indians were good.
Now the gardens, but it wasn't like that. The shopping
wasn't the same as I was a custom in different
cities and the people were different, so I had to

(09:43):
adjust that. Now a lot of restaurants downtown they've opened up.
They got a parlay spot that's really cool, some more
higher end hotels and establishment. If you're a fan of baseball,
their baseball situation is a great place to catch a game.
Like drive up as a Tigers fan, go watch a
Guardians game. Tigers guard It's fun. It's a great interactive area.
A ton of little bars and restaurants. They're trying to

(10:05):
build the flats up and the surrounding areas and nice.
They got a top golf and so they so we
can have some fun in Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
So do you receive right there? Man? That's growth.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
There we go. Man, I'm trying to extend it.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Hey, you know, except justlid to grow a little bit.

Speaker 8 (10:25):
I agree, Hey, listen, I will and I get it out.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
At first, I was sitting here like, man, he's really
standing on business for Cleveland, Like why is it going?
And then when I heard he was from there, I
was like I recognized that.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
Look I've done that.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
I've stood on business for Detroit like that four years,
no matter what.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
So I get some of this stuff, really, especially with
our town, drives me nuts. I was in Atlanta one
time getting ready to call Pistons and Hawks, and these
two guys who were having a meal and they were said,
we better just hope that Detroit. This was back in
the you know, the in the heyday with Wallace and
Billups and Hamilton to go to work crew. And the
two guys said, we better hope that Detroit doesn't win
this whole thing. They'll burn the city down. And I

(11:04):
was on my way to deliver the media food tray
to the kitchen, and I literally stopped and I pivoted,
and I said, what are you guys talking about? Do
you have any clue what you're talking about at all?
This is how misinformation gets spewed. Yeah, And I said,
do you know how many championships? Do you know how
many big events our city has held? And how many

(11:26):
problems are you guys talking about nineteen eighty four because
one cab was turned upside down and some idiot took
a picture on top to the bottom of it or
what turned out to be in the top. Is that
what you're talking about? Because we've had championships at the
collegiate football and basketball level and hockey level, there's been
no problems. We've had All Star Games, we've had baseball championships,
we've had football oops, we've had hockey championships, we've had

(11:48):
NBA championships and there were no problems. Why don't you
remember Los Angeles when they went nuts and they won
an NBA championship, or Vancouver when they lost in the playoffs,
people in the Stanley Cup finals.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Nary is shot in Kansas City every year.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
At a parade for crying out right? Did that ever
happen during the Red Weeks Paradical the Pistons Parade? No,
because I was in both of those parades.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Because the narratives around cities, like, when they're narrative around cities, man,
they're gonna stick to those narratives. And when you have
leagues and when you have media that can continues to
push narratives on the city, like what are people to
think that they're gonna beleave with the masters? That becomes
a message. In the eighties, they hated Detroit in the
NBA space. You know what that was about the Detroit
Pistons kind of getting in the middle of their natural

(12:32):
order of things. They hated that and they were a
dirty team. So they able to put this dirty moniker
on Detroit, which is going through a lot of drugs,
a lot of killings, a lot of violence in the eighties,
and so you start to talk about the city and
the sport at the same time, this becomes the message
Detroit is this, this is what Detroit is. And you
follow that message. They other cities going to bankrupts, other

(12:52):
cities a career, excuse me, corrupt mayors along the way
New York Chicago, but they don't mention that consistently. Detroit,
they're still talking about Kwame Yes and why situation was
so once it gets on your city. The media in
all four sports they pushed that. Media, they pushed that
in there. The NHL, they haven't helped the Red Wings

(13:13):
in any draft. The NBA hasn't helped the red I
mean the exception of k the Lions, et cetera. That's
different baseball. That's on us. Two first rounds, that's on us.

Speaker 7 (13:23):
But yeah, and they almost they got us with Ky
because they thought he wasn't gonna be with you went
out right.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, look, I'm not a conspiracy theory when it comes
to I don't think the league was trying to diss
or help the Pistons. That The only one that I
worry about with the NBA was the Patrick you and
going to.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
So if you believe that, you have to believe in
more than that, why you.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Can't believe in it? I said, that's the only one
I wonder about. You know, I heard that story. I
did wonder about it a little bit. San Antonio seems
to have great fortune. I don't know how that happens,
but what.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
It does, after after what transpires.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, that's right. I mean there are some things that
if it's a logical line of thought, to question it,
and I think that's okay. But back to your point.
I've said this forever. It's really hard to change people's minds.
I think it's one of the one of the hardest
things to do. Like I say this to my kids
all the time. There are two phrases each with three
words that are really hard for people to say, I

(14:21):
am sorry, I was wrong. Okay. So there's those two things.
But when it comes to how you view somebody or
an athlete, or an organization or a city in this case,
it's hard to change people's minds. Once you get something
stuck in your mind, you're going to think about that
all the time.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
And I'm glad that people that can actually say those words.
I'll give you a great example. Cam Jordan is one
of the best defensive players in the last twenty five years.
Will be in Canton someday when his time comes. He
came to the NFL Draft last year seven hundred and
seventy five thousand people. We broke the record. We did
an amazing job. Detroit. You put on. Congrats to you.
I was talking to him at one of the meetings.

(15:00):
It would have been a Friday Friday breakfast with the commission.
He pulled me to the side and he said, Man,
I didn't know it was like this. I knew him beforehand.
We had mutual friends. We hung out a little bit,
a lot of Detroit jokes back in the day. When
we're partying in Miami, those jokes didn't come to the forefront.
Last year. He told me what he liked about my city.
He talked about it from afar, what the perception was,

(15:22):
and then he talked about what he saw. So I
appreciate someone actually giving the city a chance. And that's
what people need to do. To your point, give things
a chance. Don't don't just rest on what someone says.
And it became your thought as well. Check something out.
You don't like somebody, why don't you like that person?
If you don't like the city, go to that city.
Why don't you like that city?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Explore it?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
If that person's still a ball, then I get it.

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Speaker 5 (18:24):
Somebody said Dayton is the best city in Ohio, and
I you know what. Look, Brady Quinn is a good friend,
friend of the show. He will be on here a
couple of times this year. He's from Dayton. Brady's a
good guy. I can rock with Dayton.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, I gotta see it. I like Dayton. If that's
we'll all due respect. If that's the best city in Ohio.
They've got some climbing to do.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
I got no jokes. I'm on my peace with the
Ohio until I come back and we'll talk. If I
was well received, then we'll keep the piece of Not
all hill is gonna break?

Speaker 6 (18:58):
What if you went there and.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
It went bad?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
What this is?

Speaker 5 (19:03):
It gonna test their relationships the Lord I keep bringing
it here every day, right, it's gonna test their relationship.
It is with it. I don't think it could do
anything but the energy that I give it, and I'm
going there with positive energy. I'm going there with good times. Actually,
I'm I'm not gonna lie. I'm excited to go.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
You should be if people got to know you. Here's
the problem, guys, hold on, I'm messing with you really.
I mean, you know how much I respect athletes. They're
private people. They should be Okay, It's hard to get
in a an athlete space. There's only so much you
can do, right Braylan having us over for dinner last
weekend last Sunday was incredible. It's a great experience. It

(19:40):
shows you something about him. There's not many athletes who
are who are willing to become, you know, good friends
with people outside that certain circle. I don't blame you, Rightay,
I don't blame them at all. So I used to
host a radio show with Rick Mahorne on a regular basis.
People used to say, Oh, you guys must be best friends.

(20:01):
You sound like you're best friends. I'm friends with Rick.
You how many people Rick knows through the NBA and
through entertainment and all this stuff. How many people does
Braylan know through track and Field, NFL entertainment, City of Detroit,
Uh you know, public officials, his father's friends. How much
room do you have in your bubble? You know, it's
a Seinfeld episode. I don't have any room for any

(20:23):
more friends. You know. Maybe that's what it is for
some of them. So for for Brailin to go back
and and embrace Cleveland understanding that there are gonna some people,
they're not gonna like him, I mean, that's just the
way it is.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
It's hard for us to fathom that.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
There's just that's just the way it is. Sometimes you're
not gonna be able to please. If you're gonna let
them spoil it for you, then that's on you. Don't
let them drag you down, all right. Yeah, So I'm
happy you're going. I think it's gonna be awesome. And
I hope they embrace you the right way. And if
they don't, screw them, I mean, shame on them.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
I was gonna I was gonna wear something Michigan that
might I said, you know what, I'm gonna start a new,
a new, a new. I'm not wearing anything Michigan. Is
not because I'm saying Mischigans. I know, I wear that
on my sleeve, but I won't. I won't engage past
my my rubber band and says the winning is frenchise.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
There's no reason. There's no reason that antaggonized. Are you
gonna wear Are you gonna wear your Browns jersey? Or
is that in a frame? No?

Speaker 5 (21:22):
No, no, that's in the frame.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
To get to whether Browns jersey, they gotta bring me
on the field during the season. I put it out
with the Browns jersey back on. You're that Cleveland. You
want me to put that seventeen back on and invite
me to a game. I come support the team like
you guys gave me an opportunity. Cleveland. I thank you,
third pick over all two thousand and five. Hey, look,
I got no complaints, I got no grapes. I love it.
You want me to put that seventeen back on? You
invite me to a game? I be there. What bells on?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
As they said, he speaking of jerseys yesterday.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
They better not be playing the Lions though.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
So this is this takes it in a different direction
because immediately you said that Kate egos like this, so
I feel it. I'm with you, guys, but I want
you to harken back to the very first Major League
baseball game of this season when the Tigers were in
Los Angeles at Chavez Ravine, which is beautiful place. If

(22:15):
you're talking about good places to watch baseball, that's one
of them. Okay, market list, Even though I'm not a
Dodgers fan, it is a hell of a place to we. Yeah,
it's it's awesome. Kirk Gibson throws out the first pitch
for the Dodgers. They invited him out. He's wearing a
Dodgers uniform. Again, they invited him out. He is an
icon there, just like he should be an icon here.

(22:39):
I think it is. You do. But he's more celebrated
in than Oh by far. They have a mural that
there's somebody who painted a mural of him. He and
I went to it when they unveiled it when we
were in Los Angeles and he and his wife Joan
and I went there. It was it's awesome, right of
him hitting that home run and your hip the one

(23:02):
more or whatever it may be. People in Detroit were
pissed that he was out there with the Los Angeles
Doctors uniform line. They were pissed that he was wearing
the jersey and then he threw out the first pitch
because it was against the Tigers. So when you say,
as long as they're not playing the Lions, you played
for Cleveland even though you're from Detroit.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well, I was being funny in the since I was
giving you some love to the fans, showing you that
I do support the Detroit Lions. Like let's call the
spades bad. Yes, I'm wearing the Cleveland Browns jersey because
they gave me the opportunity. I never played for the
Detroit Lions, so yet that would be an easy one.
But it also would be an easy one if I
was Kurt Gibson and well, let's put it in my shoes.
If if the New York Jets invite me to MetLife

(23:43):
Stadium this season, which they already have, I'd be out
there and the Lions were playing, or excuse not the line,
the Browns were playing, or the forty nine ers were playing,
or the Seahawks were playing. It's a no brainer one.
They bought me out and it's the team I played for,
And it would be the same if Seattle brought me out.
It'd be the same at the four nine ers.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Same as.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
They chose to bring me up. They drafted me on
playing for him. It is a cool thing. Yeah, you,
it's easy. I don't know why, lie, I mean, Tigers
fans are upset.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Otherwise it's it's a it's a sure of disrespect.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
He did the same thing essentially for the Dodgers that
he did for you. What's the difference?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, rightage, Yeah, yeah, that's that's the right way to go.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Buy it.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So yesterday we talked about Art monks jersey being finally
after thirty years for crying out loud uh being retired
by Washington, and it got me thinking, who are some
players today in the NFL whose jersey will be retired?
And I please don't say, with all the respect to
Jumior Gibbs, Jamior Gibbs, the it's not a long enough

(24:43):
sample size. The resume is not there yet. All right,
give me some names of guys you think, yeah, they're
getting retired.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Just off the car, Just off the car, all right? Well,
fifteen for Kansas City Chiefs, yes, eight for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
Stat for Stafford retired.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Eight eight for the Pittsburgh I was.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Ricky. Ricky jumped that gun pretty quick.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Get back to that one.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So you said eight for the Pittsburgh stee But you
mean it in green Back, Aaron.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Aaron Rodgers is gonna Patrick Mahomes is gonna go in. Uh,
von Miller is gonna go in. He Actually we'll talk
about that movie because that affects the conference, if you will.
Von Miller is going to go in for his ballot.
Who's offensive line?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
And Zach Martin von Miller in Denver.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Tyron Smith Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Okay, Yeah, that's that's an interesting one. How about Mike
Evans for Tampa He's in Yeah, yeah, last year some minute,
I would I would think so right, anybody else you
said fifteen.

Speaker 12 (25:51):
In k C.

Speaker 8 (25:52):
Did you say King Henry?

Speaker 13 (25:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Just I mean there is in there for which team though?

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Tennessee Titans. Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
All right about how about Travis kelcey know.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
It's Travis Kelson. Yeah, for sure, Travis Kelson, George Kittle.
But this is it. But you know what's funny about
that question? Show this is a different day and age.
Like now, the Hall of Fame is a little bit
easier to get into, and it's a little more politically
centered around popularity and what's going on at the time. Yeah,
case in point, Tony BCELLI never sniffed getting into the

(26:30):
Hall of Fame until the Jacksonville Jaguars got to SC Championship,
and now he's getting in, So.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, I think for sure that's that's really interesting. I
thought of one other one that I think. I think
he's an underrated player. I don't think DT's getting nearly
enough credit. But Cam Hayward has been one of the
best representative or representatives of the Pittsburgh Steelers in his career,
and I think he's played at such an incredibly high level,

(26:57):
including last year where he was outstanding.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
I don't like the him take. Here's a great conversation. TJ.
Watt's not t J Watt without the guy to his right,
which is Cam Hayward. Cam Hayward has been the best,
or floating around the best of that position for the
last twelve years.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
TJ.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Whit like when you have somebody like Cam Hayward, what
he's able to do. We saw the same thing in college.
I mean, he was dominant at Columbus, but when you
got Cam Hayward next to you, it allows you so
much more freedom because he's able to take on double teams.
He's also able to just disrupt the play in such
a way. It's one on one with a guy like TJ.
Why you can't let him go one on one for

(27:34):
a whole game. That's what Cam Hayward has allowed him
to do for his whole career. It's not necessarily when
you get picked. It's where you go into this league.
And TJ went to a lead to have camp.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
All right, here's what we have to approach. Because Ricky
said it. Ricky said Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
I wasn't happy about it.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
You weren't happy that you said it. You weren't happy
at the reaction.

Speaker 6 (27:59):
No, No, I wasn't happy that I had to say it.
But we're being objective, so you got to say it.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, But I'm not happy. You're not. You're not happy
that you think it should or could happen. You don't
think it's a deserve. You know.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
I'm not.

Speaker 11 (28:10):
I was that told you I was mad when Stafford
winning won the Super Bowl. I'm still bitter about that.
Never got over it.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
So you think he should have gone and failed.

Speaker 11 (28:18):
No, it's not that I don't think he should have gone,
but the fact that he went and didn't want it
with the next team I'm just like a bitter ex
Like he's like, you broke op with me and got
married the next next day.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, copy of that.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
Yeah, it's purely emotion.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I think it'd be really hard for I'm not sure
this franchise would would retire his number. Yeah, so some
people are clear. It's number twenty for Barry Sanders. Yeah,
it should be for Lembarney too, but it's for Barry Sanders.
But it's also worn by Lembarney and Billy Simms. It's
twenty two for Bobby Lane, right, It's fifty six for

(28:53):
Joe Schmidt, it's thirty seven for Doak Walker, and it's
eighty five for Chuck Hughes. Right. I don't think eighty
correct me if I'm wrong here. Eighty five let me
put eighty five might not be retired. It may just
be out of circulation. Chuck Hughes died on the field
to play. I'm trying to think is eighty one retired?

(29:15):
Did they retire Calvin? I don't think they did. I
think they so. Putting it in the ring of honor
and retiring it are two different things, right.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
How about second? I know I'm pretty sure you put
in a ring of honor.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I'm pretty sure they did.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
But they did that he came back, Yeah one when
he came back, did.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Right when Chila came out?

Speaker 5 (29:31):
And oh yeah no, I'll tell you that she hasn't
been moved in a while.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
They celebrate her and rightfully so she's done a really
good job. So when you think about number what do
you think about number nine?

Speaker 5 (29:45):
Why wouldn't you retire If you're talking about an excuse me,
I retire, you're talking about putting in a ring or retiring.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
And retiring the number. No, okay, you wouldn't retire it
because he had a losing record.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Here.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
You wouldn't retire it because he never won a playoff game.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Here, you can start with the you starting with the
second one. He never won a playoff game. And I
understand what you know. You just can't. You can't be
a guy that was drafted first overall. Like, I don't
care what the circumstances were, I don't care what was
going on in front office. He was drafted first overall
and he had eleven seasons, like first overall, eleven seasons.

(30:20):
I'm gonna say it again. He was first overall and
the team started for eleven seasons and he never won
a playoff game. Now you want to blame the refs,
that's on you. So I don't think it's deserving to
put somebody in the ring on it and then they
go on to another team and win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
I would, you know what, just a piggyback on that.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
I say shout out to the Detroit Lions, who at
first it was, hey, we're gonna give Matthew Stafford a
tribute video. Remember then it was like, well, move it
to another time, move it to next season, and then
it just never came. And at first I was like, whatever,
give it to him. But now the way that the
Lions organization has moved, and considering how much they've one

(31:00):
in such a short amount of time, they've already gone
to put up to NFC North Banders for the first
time ever, I actually mess with the Lions organization kind
of standing on business, pulling back from this notion of
giving him the tribute video, at least for right now
while he's still playing.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Why still the enemy? Why does it? Why does it
matter if you give him a tribute video? I mean,
those guys who have come back to Detroit and Dennis
Robin got a tribute, a tribute video, and he played
for the Damn Bulls out loud.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
But he won two championships here in Detroit as well
as two defensive MVPs deservingly so without Dennis rod and
the Detroit Pissons are a little bit less to talk.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
About, agreed. But it's what that person meant to your
franchise and what they've done. I mean, look, Matthew Stafford's
the best quarterback the franchise has ever had. I don't
see what a tribute video how that, you know, is
any demeaning to the current franchise of the fan base.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
Let the fans were up in arms about it when
it was rumbled about and such. They wanted the Lions
to treat this and treat Stafford and treat the Rams
completely as the enemy.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
And I wonder if the Detroit Rams stuff that whole mania.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
I wonder if that never popped up, if the reception
from Detroit Lions fans would have been a little bit different,
because Stafford did do a lot for this organization.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
They just didn't do a lot for him.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Look, you can you can still, you could still be
the enemy and give you kudos, right, I mean, you
can come in and be the enemy, but knowing what
you've meant to us before, we can give you some props,
can't You can't.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
All right, here's a good question with Stafford. Let's put
him on the shelf, stay in the same division around
that same time. Did j Color just on the going
Does he deserve to going to Chicago Bears ring Abani.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I would say no, I don't think he's nearly the quarterback.
Matthew Stafford was.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Well stat wise and win wise. He was the same
for those eight years in Chicago, and he got to
his championship game. We know how he played, but he
got to that game he wons. I want to say
five or six playoff.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Games that are teams. But yeah, I hear you. Sure.
To your point, I'm glad you said what you said about.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
You putting staff right, I'm putting Jay Cutler in Chicago.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
Oh man, Yeah, I mean I think yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
And to your point, I'm glad you said the playoffs
because I mean, if that's the case, you know, Joe
Namath probably doesn't belong with the Jets because he didn't
he didn't have a winning record in his career.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
I got but he has a favorite team.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
But he won a Super Bowl, right, I mean, he
was that guy. I think he's probably the most overrated
player in the Hall of Fame, but he was that guy.

Speaker 9 (33:40):
What.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
No, is that blasphemous?

Speaker 5 (33:42):
No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not. I just can't
say it. You know what I'm saying. Jets maybe Jets,
But there is a lot of truth to that. There's
a lot of truth to that. Yeah, I mean I agree,
I agree.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, more picks than touchdowns, about fifty percent completion percentage.
Maybe it's just numbers, losing record in his career.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Uh, Johnny Units didn't even play the whole game.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
But yeah, but it's an unbelievable moment, right to predict
it and to win it and have the flair. I
would argue if he plays for Cleveland, if he's Sam
Weish's quarterback in Cincinnati, you're not getting that kind of love.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
It goes back to the conspiracy conversation that we were
having because if the AFS excuse me, the AFL doesn't
win that game, they may know there may be no merger.
So that was all hands on deck because Johnny United
didn't play it first ALF but go. Look what happen
when Johnny knit has gotten a second I mean that
second half. Was he really hurt? Or was the fixing?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Can I can I bring up one more name and
it's associated with where you're going soon in Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Is it too soon to say Miles Garrett in Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (34:52):
To say Miles?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
I'm talking about current players who eventually will have their
numbers retired.

Speaker 8 (34:59):
All right, one of the best, man.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
I won't let me ask this, then let me add
a caveat all right, the first time that I made
was about to the Hall of Fame. Now it's a
little bit easier to get in. Now we got the
analysts on TV, you know the networks they work for.
They're pushing guys into the Hall of Fame after four years.
So realistically, a lot of these guys are going to
go in. And that's what it is. I can start
Chris Jones is gonna get into the Hall of Fame.

(35:23):
I mean, you can't see Chiefs. Got a couple guys
that will get in. Davante Adams will deserve it. He
will get into the hall. You start going through list,
Jamar Chase, he's only playing what four or five years
Guess what, He's a Hall of Famer. Tarik Hill, Guess
what they just said he's the second best year of
all time. I saw something on one of those blasphemous
network he's getting into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Somebody said he was the second best all time.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
When they were having the conversation about hearing Randy Moss
and Jerry Rice. The conversations got men, and he should
be right up underneath them, if not better than one
of them.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
This isn't me, I just somebody said them.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
So they're gonna put everybody eventually in the Hall of
That's why when you asked me, I gave you three names.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Everybody else I'm not calling about Hall of famers. I'm
talking about whether their jerseys are going to be retired.
So Miles Garrett, I think he's got one hundred and
two sacks career. He's already top sixty. He's played eight
years in the league, and he's that quick to get
to that number. I'm not saying he's gonna eventually be
the all time sack leader, but the way he's climbing

(36:24):
right now, it's really impressive, and it's something you at
least have to take into consideration. Don't you think kool aid?

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Is there a year? Is there a year? Is there
a year minimum that they look at it, and you
think they will look at for ring of honor? Like all,
you had to play five years, you had to play
six years, you had to play eight?

Speaker 7 (36:41):
Is there one for you in less those special cases
like a sa Kuon Barkley. I feel like he's definitely
endearing himself right now to the Eagles, But there's gonna
be those special cases outside of that. I am looking
for a little bit of longevity. I'm looking to see
if they contributed to at least a couple of playoff
runs where you're hung good division for your your you know,
a division banner where you had an opportunity maybe to

(37:03):
go to a super Bowl or something like that. I'm
looking for that type of stuff.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
I got a good This is a good example for me.
I love that you said that. This is where I'll
leave it. Nick Mango got into the Jets Ring of
Honor two seasons ago. Nick Man Ohio State bucket. He's
an interesting dude, but he became right He played twelve
I think he played twelve years for the Jets. He
was a part of three playoff runs. You know, ain't

(37:29):
a bunch of Pro Bowls whatever. But in that time,
you remember him, You remember Nick Mango as as a
damn good sinner, you remember some of the playoff runs,
you remember some of the moments, and he had some
longevity to a kool aid. He said to me, that's
an example of that's what it should look like when
you get into the ring about it.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, I think it's really hard to use examples of today,
like like kool Ay just said, Sekuon Barkley, you know
he still has I think he's I think he's a
fantastic player. I think he's I would love to have
him on my team. I love him as much as
the individual as anything else. Two thousand means a lot.
Super Bowl means a lot. Freeman McNeil has more rushing

(38:06):
yards than he does. Okay, So I think we sometimes
in today's world, because of you know, twenty four hour news,
twenty four hour sports, we're looking for topics. We rush
guys immediately and we think to ourselves, oh, holy crap,
I didn't realize Larry Zanka has more yards rushing than
Saquon Barklay. You know, so and Larry Zaki is in

(38:29):
the Hall of Fame and he played on the perfect
team in Miami too. But I'm just saying that there
are times where we kind of rush our thought because
we're in the moment right now, here and now, when
there are other players. Michael Turner, for example, shout out
to Northern Illinois has more yards than Saquon Barkley. We
have to turn here, turn of the burn.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Yeah, this is very true. We understand kind of like
the start of his career, he missing games, year two,
year three, Yeah, year five, you missing games as well,
So definitely understand that. But I think people get excited
on the highlights. People get excited on sure the excitement
to your point, which you're seeing put out by now
all this content, all this ability that you have. How
many times have you seen Sakwan Markley jumping over the

(39:07):
guy backwards.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
It's one of more amazing athletic feats in any sport
I've ever seen. And just to clarify, in the first game,
Saquon Barkley's going to pass Michael Turner. I'm just telling
you give you an example of where he's at. I mean,
he's sixty fifth all time. We were talking about things
earlier in the week about great running backs and players
we want, and we'll do that a little bit later
on the best trio in the NFL. I just think

(39:30):
we sometimes have a tendency to rush the players we
really like or what we're following now, without realizing what
has come before them. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
I played on the team with three individuals that have
over twelve thousand yards in the NFL. I played with
Thomas Jones, who no one will talk about. Meanwhile, he
had a durable career. You know, I'm saying four different
teams played with the Daniel Thomas and who we talked
about yesterday he's shouting out to. And then Frank Gore.
Oh wow, I played with Frank Goreeah. That's two Hall

(39:58):
of Famers running back to the least.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah. Yeah, Frank ORI's third all the time, by the
way in Russia.

Speaker 8 (40:03):
Yeah yeah, And I know we gotta get to uh.
We gotta go say it up though to some friends
real quick and it will be right back.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
But we can started a poll in the chat, and
I want you guys to participate, not just in the poll.
Not just in the poll, all right, I need you
guys to also put in the chat, why or why
not the question would you vote Matthew Safford into the
Lion's Ring of Honor after he retires. I'm gonna you
guys think, so put it in the chat. We'll definitely
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Speaker 9 (44:38):
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Speaker 5 (44:39):
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Speaker 2 (44:56):
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(45:17):
he had, the bands, he looked. Everything looked really sharp.
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Speaker 13 (45:23):
You know what.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
I want to pay some attention to the chat as well,
because they're putting in their answers as it relates to
Matthew Stafford before we get into his next topic.

Speaker 8 (45:33):
But would you vote for Matthew Stafford in the lines
Ringer Honor?

Speaker 7 (45:35):
Right now, fifty of the chat is saying yes, but
justin fans says, no Lions pride list for Stafford?

Speaker 8 (45:43):
Why no playoff success in Detroit?

Speaker 7 (45:45):
He acts out in Detroit, that's number two and number
three he says he turned on Detroit fans hints booting kids,
merch uh, And then I see another one, Eric Shaw.
Stafford was one of the most prolific quarterback talents I've
ever seen. I was happy for him to get a ring.
I remember trading him, got the picks and players that
made us dominant. Now he's moving a little bit towards
the side of putt him in that ring of honor,

(46:06):
and desert Stallion fourteen says, of course you put Stafford
in the ring of honor if no other reason is
because he's the best QB to lay some up for
the Lions. If you can't honor the best to do
it for your team, then what the f are you doing?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
How did he turn on Detroit? Just started curiosity?

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Well, he asked for the trade, and I'm not saying
I agree, I'm just saying he asked for the trade initially,
and once he incided the trade, they went and found
the trade with the Los Angeles Rams and who Jared
Goff never knew what was happening, but Stafford did. That's
when people that's when it hit for them.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah. I understand the whole process, and I know what happened.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
I just wondering.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
White people think it's you're turning on a team. It's interesting.
We want certain guys out of here.

Speaker 12 (46:54):
We do.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I mean, as a fan base, we say I want
these guys gone right, I want Prince Fielder came here,
embraced it, loved it. People could not stand him all right,
they wanted him gone. What's up with you know that
kind of Are we expecting players to stay in our
town with the same team that we bitch and moan

(47:17):
about that they don't put enough money in or support
them in any way. You and I can complain about it,
the player can't do anything about it. That doesn't make
any sense to me.

Speaker 8 (47:26):
Not absolutely, shep.

Speaker 14 (47:28):
I agree with you only got one thing to add,
But after being twelve years in one place and you
haven't got it done, and then you're looking at a
third rebuild, I don't blame Stafford for one now at
that point, like it just made sense at that point.
But the one reason Lions fans hate him more. Is
not only the Buddha kids thing. But after that playoff
game in which we won by one point, he went

(47:49):
out on the podium and they asked him was he
happy for the city of Detroit and the fans? And
he did not acknowledge the fans. That's where the shift
actually happened. That's where it happened.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Okay, that's you know what. I appreciate that passion, I
really do. I hope people are. I hope you remember
the different things that he's done for the kids in
the city of Detroit instead of that. Okay, that's an
emotional moment. Braylan can relate better than anybody in this
room and in this building. It's an emotional moment. They're
asking you to talk to the media within ten minutes

(48:19):
after you just lost to the team that you couldn't
win with. Okay, but we're gonna sit there and complain.
What about all the charities that he's done, What about
all the fields that he done, What about the police
and fire departments that he helped? What about the little
kids play travel hockey team that couldn't afford anything, but

(48:39):
he paid for it and never got any advertisements out
of that. At all or acknowledgment, not that he was
looking for it. I'm not trying to sit here and
tell them let's put build a statue about the guy.
But we're gonna look at that one aspect where it's
really freaking emotional for a guy who just lost, and
we're going to judge him on all that. That's tough
for me.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
That's because you lie go. An average fan, actually more
than an average fan, is not a logical individual. It's
an emotional it's emotional, petty, yes, angry, angst type creature.
Especially when your team has won a championship. You're waiting
your fights, so, like you just you're mostly tied into
the game. You could care less about what happens off
the field. You see this player as a piece, You

(49:20):
see this coach as a coach that is going to
get this team to the super Bowl if they don't
do it. I don't care about how good of a
person is. I don't care that he works with American
Red Cross. I don't care that he does this. He's
actually raised money for scholarships in your community. I'm speaking
from existences because this is what it was in Cleveland.
But that once again that fan is far and few

(49:40):
from the overall message. But if we want to talk
about that fan, they don't care about that.

Speaker 11 (49:45):
You're that's one hundred percent means yeah, that's one hundred
percent meaning I didn't know I was that way until
I watched him win that Super Bowl, and then I couldn't.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
I couldn't. I just couldn't bounce back.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
What did you have the same philosophy when dominic and
Sue won a Super Bowl?

Speaker 13 (50:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Because he left after five years?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Okay, that's interesting, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (50:06):
But how much of that plays into how an individual
leaves the situation or how it was said? And Dominican
wanted to stay here allegedly, But I don't know pay
one or two people.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I never heard that. I mean, he couldn't wait to
get the hell out of here is what I heard.
I covered him on a regular basis. He couldn't wait
to get the hell out of here.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
If you're telling me that you're not going to pay
me what I'm worth and you're going to spend that
money on Calvin as well as Matt Stafford, and I'm
gonna give you a fraction of what you're worth, I
would want to be out of there too. If you're
not gonna give me what I went at that time,
he was the best interior defensive line and it wasn't
even close agreed, And you mean to tell me I
can't get what I'm worth, you give me a fraction

(50:45):
of it. Meanwhile, I can go down to Miami where
there's no state tax and state of Florida. As a
middle finger to you, I'm out.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, I don't recall the offer and everything that's associated
with it. Financially. I think that that can turn awful
lot of fans too, when you start bringing money into it.
But I understand why fans.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Do bring the money into it.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
A lot of they're not caring about the athlete is
because of the money they make. Like when athletes weren't
necessarily making that much money in the eighties or nineties
as a whole, or seventies. And you see the average player,
you know, you see him playing a game, and then
obviously you see him working at the dealership or you
see he's doing the same thing as you, he's driving
a similar car. There was a lot of all right, cool,

(51:27):
you know, there's a lot of forgiveness and a lot
of chill. But as that car range starts changing and
I'm driving a Honda Civic and this guy's now driving
the Rolls Royce. Yeah, that's what a lot of that
f the players off the field stuff. Just what are
you doing on the field?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I just to me, it gets a little frustrated when
we're always looking at the players leaving instead of the
team not one to retain them. Lance Parish is a
really good example. Wanted Lance Parish to retire as a
Tiger right, Tigers wouldn't pay him, so he left. Jeff
Hardings could have been an excellent player for the Lions
for an extended period of time, they wouldn't pay him.

(52:03):
He goes to Pittsburgh and becomes, you know, a multi
All Pro and and and wins the Super Bowl. You know,
sometimes it is the franchise. At what point do we
as fans feel like you've got to suck it up
and play through it even though we recognize the organization
isn't doing what we think they should do.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Does this extend, and this is all Ricky, Does this
extend to the Barry Sanders conversation.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
And how he did it, or the Calvin Johnson conversation
and why he did.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
It, Calvin, I feel like gets gets more of a
pass than Barry because Barry sent the fact sent, and
people have never recovered from the fact.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Right.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
I was close to Barry when my dad was so
I always a team Barry. But as I got older,
I started to understand the fan base a little more.
I'm still team Barry. But that's that's that's kind of
that's kind of, that's kind of shady middle of the night.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah, if if Barry retires in a different way, are
we upset?

Speaker 8 (52:59):
Is it the act?

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Is it the is it the action?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yes? Or is it the fact that he did it?
Knowing that, my god, you are so close to Walter
Payton's record, and I want that for me and our
fan base.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
You know what, because as Lions fans for a long time,
all we had to.

Speaker 7 (53:13):
Really hold on to it were those records, were those
types of accomplishments, were those specific players. That's why we
do still celebrate guys us here, even if the NFL
world doesn't. We will celebrate Robert Porchet, we will celebrate
Herman Moore, we will even celebrate the Johnny.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Morton's Uh, it is true about that.

Speaker 8 (53:33):
We took at the Brett Perriman though it's even better
with But you know, and that's what I think it is.

Speaker 7 (53:39):
I think it was during that time you knew that
you had a chance if you had buried because he
was a cheat code.

Speaker 8 (53:44):
He had an opportunity to hit a home run every
single time.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
We get all that.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
But I'm asking you if he retired differently, would that
have mattered to you?

Speaker 5 (53:52):
I don't think, because I think I think in the nineties,
the decade of Barry es Sincity, like the Lions, only
had three moments. They had the ninety one season was
led to the ninety two NFC Championship game. You had
Barry and then you had Barry's two thousand yards. And
you can add a small one, which is when Herman Moore,
Brett Perriman and Scott Midge when they broke the record
for a receiver duo four. When when you were outside

(54:14):
of that, there there's nothing. It was all Barry. Barry
could have legitimately came. He could have went downtown Detroit,
could have put out a podium and he could have
been on the microphone for three hours talking about his
love for Detroit and Detroit meant to him. He could
have been on top of the Pontiac Silver Dum. Hey,
thank you fans. They wouldn't have cared because Barry was.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
All they had, and that's what.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
They blame. They blamed the facts as an excuse. It's
really that he retired. But you can use the facts
as an excuse.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yeah, I think there's four guys in the history of
the sports town who could actually been Governor Steve Wiserman one,
Gordie Howe too, al Caline and Barry Sanders. You know
those guys. They walked on water. Okay, we loved certain pistol. Yes,
there's some baggage with some of the Pistons and that's

(55:04):
part of the issue. So therein lie I think it
is the issue.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
With and I feel like Megatron's getting there too.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Pistons did have.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
A mayor, Dave Bing, God love him, he's the man.
The interesting thing about Barry is I always I reflect
back to his years and I think you mentioned it.
I think two days ago, or maybe it was yesterday.
If if Eric andle is sick and Mike Utley stay healthy,
how good both were twenty five One was paralyzed, Utley

(55:36):
one was killed while cutting his Lawn in nineteen ninety one,
that team won twelve games. If those two guards with
Kevin Glover and Lomas Brown, and I think, is it
Sean Bowers who is the right tackle? If those four
guys at least no disrespect to Sean Barr if those
guys stay healthy, how much better is he? How much

(55:59):
better are the Lions?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
You gotta add one more caveat to that?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Okay, what is it?

Speaker 5 (56:03):
You gotta bring back the quarterback too, because remember you
didn't bring back Eric Kramer. Yeah, and the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, but remember Kramer and Rodney Pete split that year.
They were both six and two. Very true, So, but
I don't I'm not sure which one I would go
with because Rodney peat was pretty good when healthy too.
I'm not saying they're the second coming to Tom Brady.
I'm just saying both were good enough to help you
win some games.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
I think Rodney Pete, when I look at him, I
think there's quarterbacks. There's only it's like three tier quarterbacks today.
There's the quarterbacks that are elite and can do it all,
and there's like three of them. There's the quarterbacks that
are really good. But there's still like they're the guys
at a particular coordinator likes Ben Johnson. He liked what
Jared Goff would do in this situation.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Ben Johnson or Johnson, I forgot.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
That is blasting if you will, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, YadA.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Then there's the quarterbacks that just are bad. Rodney Peak
was a quarterback that I think thought he was better
than the system. Meanwhile, Eric Kramer understood exactly what he
was and how to use the system. So I would
have went with.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
That's that's that's really good insight. I looked at Rodney
Pete as a serviceable quarterback.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Yeah, the name he had, the look had it been
an arm if you will.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, And and he was he was mobile. And two
I just brought this up. So then the next year,
the next year after and lisek Utlely, we're no longer
available the Lions. But Sean Bowin's at left guard, Ken
Dalla for a right guard, Scott Conover a right tackle
who who Yeah, I mean I like Scott Conover is
a really good dude. Okay, played a Purdue so big

(57:36):
ten guy. Really like him. But they were not the
same unit. Yes, I said unit as the year you
see what I'm saying, Paul. Okay, So I I think
Barry Sanders and this this franchise, the team, I think
I think that was a really big moment in franchise history,

(57:59):
and both of those guys being healthy would have really
helped immensely with where that that team was headed.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
It sucks too.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yeah, we've got to take a time out right top
of the hour, So quick time out right, we got
to some baseball and some additional football. I'm a conversation
on the right on the way.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
Yeah, definitely, I'm going to tell people about merch after that.
We're gonna hear from Dr Pierce as well. But I'm
want to give the people a little update on this
poll to fifty seven percent of the people said that
they would vote Matthew Safford into the Lions Ring of Honor.
And just to back up what Bray was saying as
it relates to Barry Sanders, the chat is agreeing with you.
They're saying that, Yeah, it's it's realistically the fact that

(58:39):
Barry Sanders, he was it for them, and then after
that it was like, yo, what do we have now?
So some people agreeing with your take on that one man,
So shout out to the people, and.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
You know what get They didn't like James Jones, I don't.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Barry was our con He was our combatant. To every
other conversation. You want to talk about wins, we bring
up Barry Sanders. You want to talk about best players,
we're bringing up Barry Sands. You want to talk about
Super Bowl, Barry Sanders had two thousand yards last year.
He was our answer for every whatever you're gonna bring
up to try to poop on our team or poop
on our spears. All right, well we got bear.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Anytime you got in a debate with somebody outside of
Detroit and they said your team sucks, the one thing
you could at least say to try and save face,
we've got Barry Sanders and drop the microphone and leave.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
And it was a microphone drop.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
That was it. Man.

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Let's get to that light goal.

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When they played the US Open at Oakmont, people asked
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Define his regular guys, just just Joe Schmo, the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Five of us, the five of us? Could we hit
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H No, I'm just know if they're really throwing their stuff,
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Speaker 11 (01:07:04):
Maybe wondering if you knew what pitch was coming, maybe
one out of one hundred maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I think I think they could tell you the pitch,
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be able to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
I'm I'm with you, sid the average person. I'm saying
zero like I'm being honest, I'm being the hardest thing
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gave me a hundred, I would hit four.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
You would get four hits.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Baseball was my love. Like I still go to band
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let's let's get I can get three hits. We can
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So if Paul Skeins is on the bump, you think
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Person get one. Because of that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
We had the same conversation three years ago when people
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Me as a person that played high school baseball, hit
a hundred, hit a hundred miles hour pitches, I can't
get too in a one hundred at bats, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I don't think you could either.

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
I don't think you could.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Look, I played high school baseball, I mean college baseball play.
I'm really good travel teams. There's no flipping way I'm
doing it. Of course I'm older, but yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
You know I'm looking at from my angle, my lens
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Y'all didn't, says, go listen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I don't care if you know the game or not.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I don't think knowing the game has anything to do
with it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
I still have it, but I'm not the average person
like I played baseball, like I know how to have
an eye. I know that said the bat, but I
have a stands like I gotta swing like I'm actually.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Well when you say you go to the when you
say you go to the batting case.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
That's triviall, consider you're talking about Paul Skins matter well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Plus the batting caches are coming in straight right their
their baseball's they're pitches that they all have movement.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
I took BP. Last time I took BP for the
Tigers would have been Oh, it's seventeen took.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
BP coming into fifty two.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
Well, I told him to bump it up. I'm not
in the league at this point, I was retired.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I was like, who is throwing it? Dave Roseman at
age seventy.

Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
Two, Rosie.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
They're talking about Roses people. Yeah, I mean it's it's
a fun conversation. It depends on you put on. My
probably answer is zero and I'm just having fun. But
I think in my in my mind of minds, I
can find two hits. You give me one hundred pitches,
I can find two.

Speaker 7 (01:09:49):
Hey, you know, I'm looking at the chat right now.
Crazy clown believes, he says, I but Dante five one,
he said. Brayle's stopping.

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
Bro Aaron. It's going back and forth right now in
this chat.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
I love I love the fact that a former, a
former professional athlete is sitting here in shape at forty
two until you can potentially get two hits. Meanwhile, when
we were having these conversations with the fans, they talk
about I can get off the line of scrimmage on
this dB. I could catch one if you gave me
ten rocks. So you have no experience can get off
on a dB in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
The NFL agreed, I couldn't. I couldn't do any of No.
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Terror on a cater mine taro on it I get,
I get. The thing is with me, you get an
that's my terror on the mound. I get eight hits.
But it didn't start off start off because you hit
a major league picture. That's what it started off as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I know what I said was an All Star pitcher?
Could you hit it on either.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
One of those? All started? I get, Casey, I didn't
hear that part.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
You think you get it, Casey Mice, I can get.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
I can get three hits off Casey Mis. Yes, this
is what I'm saying. Can make this clip.

Speaker 7 (01:11:05):
I'm getting three right stand on Business, we got you
soloed up stand on Business bro look right now.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
The conversation that's posed by my co host, Shep. He said,
could you hit a major league picture? And then he added,
because you hit an all star major league picture? So
then I add, you know what, Yes, I can hit
a picture. I was talking about mine Tero. I said,
bring him up, and then I got a little gutsy.
I said, Casey Mis, if you're watching this, I appreciate
your game. And all that you do, and you're having
a tremendous share of congrats on you all. Start. I

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will tell you like this, you give me one hundred
at bats, one hundred pitches, I get four hits.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Listen, I don't I'm gonna go this far and why
what not?

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
I don't think. I don't think that same confidence got
me to the level of hand today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Listen. I love I love the confidence I do. I
don't think you get a Matthew boyd okay, and Matthew
Boy brings it at ninety ninety one.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
The only picture I'm scared on the Tiger Tyler Hold.
Why because he because he gonna find because he finds
those three strikeouts in the eighth inning every time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
So you standing against schoobl No, not, at least he's
not crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
First of all, you yourself should be respectably. I'm giving
the Detroit Tiger the guy, our guy, Schooble, who's at
I tell you like this, I can't school right now.
He doesn't seem to be doing so well last week.
If you want me to in school, I ain't him
right now. I'm sorry, I'm joking.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
We're just doing so.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
But if there was a time, it'd be right now school.

Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
Hey, you know what though, Brighton, Now look what you're
doing to the chat man. You poison in the chat
now rand Smalls putting a two dollars super tap.

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
I would have took on any pro in the home
run Durby.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
If you can't believe in yourself, nobody won't believe in you.
I believe in myself versus any picture in the Major
League not named Randy Johnson, I ain't going in the
battles back Randon Johnson, no way, know how, no think
because one he well you know his nickname was. But
two he's my favorite picture six ten. So that means
he's seven foot three on the mound and he's throwing
a slider. That's something out from behind me, the arm

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coming back in front of me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Oh are you are you a left handed stick? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
Well I can go both I and tell you that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Oh see, okay, switch hitter.

Speaker 5 (01:13:21):
He was his head man in the world in baseball.
Plus he's the only one that blew up a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Bird like I'm not getting Yeah, that is kind of crazy.
I'm just moving forward, you know, moving forward these conversations
as as we embark on weeks and months and years
of hopeful success. Let's not bring up the Let's not
bring up the fact that we played high school athletics
and then can do it at the highest level. Yeah, okay,

(01:13:48):
in anything, all right, I played high school basketball, so what?
I played high school basketball? Or baseball?

Speaker 12 (01:13:54):
So what?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I played high school football?

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
So what?

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
But I'm mixing a professional sport with that high schoort.
I'm mixing the mental. I'm mixing what I've been through,
all the all of that that goes into the mental
of being a pro athlete. I'm taking that to a
sport that I was really good at and trying to
merge them to see if I can find three hits
off tech school.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
You went up just now it's three Just not buying it,
But I appreciate it. I love the self confidence. And
that's the difference between athletes and common man. I mean,
they have to have supreme confidence. I am supremely confident.
You couldn't, but I'm glad that you think you could.
I think that's really cool. How many people used to
come up to you as whether not while you're split

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right now and telling you, you know what, this is
what I would do, This is what I could do
because I did this at a Division four school in high.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
School all the time on the golf course. You would
be surprised that the moxy people have now you know
what I mean, especially once I got a little bit
further removed from the guys think I'm a little older.
The back is a little tired. I might got people
coming all the time and you wouldn't get off the
line on me. I could. I could run a rounde
on you. First of all, I played. I don't know
why I would be checking you. Second of all, but

(01:15:11):
you could all the time. And the guys will mention, well,
you know, I play it up at I played here,
I played at Grand Valley State, I played a year
in Northwood. I did this.

Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
That's why.

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
They had a football team. So it happens all the time,
and I enjoy it. And they get their jollys off
when they know they played better than me on the
golf hole. Like they take that serious, like it equates
to you caught a touchdown on me, Like, no, you're
better golf for me, congratulations, you've been playing since you
were two. You're forty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Yeah. Man. They tell everybody and their brother that, okay,
how'd you play today, not great, but I did beat Braylan.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
I had somebody come up to me not too long
ago in the grocery store. It was like and then
they asked questions like you remember. He was like, yo,
I gotta tell your story.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
There was this one time, you know, you came over
my buddy's house. His man probably would do it, and
he beat you in pool. Do you remember the story?
I'm like you anytimes I lost him. First of all,
who are you and who is your boy?

Speaker 13 (01:16:05):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
But congratulations, I didn't know that I was Minnesota. Fact,
never knew I was Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Past.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
Congratulations, You're not even Willie Musconi. I've lost it. I've
lost in horse and people talk about it. So it's
it used to be annoying that it's fun. Man.

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
Two three years ago, though, the youth of Detroit had
an opportunity to win some cash man had a three
point shooting contest, and my man Branda wouldn't let nobody wins.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
You were like Jordan with those kids.

Speaker 12 (01:16:37):
And.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
Actually he's right. I won the contest, But I'm not
proud of how I won the contest, Like nobody could
make it shot, Like the ball was lopsided. The rim
was bent there, so like nobody made a shot. I
won the three point contest with two makes, so like
it was. I wasn't proud at.

Speaker 8 (01:16:56):
The moment, but I didn't fair. But to be fair, man,
you did it with multiple rounds. That laws round needed
some help. Man, I was sitting there. It was to
give people some money.

Speaker 12 (01:17:05):
But you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Cat. It's so funny. When I was calling Michigan basketball,
there was one year where John bean Lane brought the
media out to do to take them through what his
team does to prepare for games. A practice, so some
fundamental drills, basketball between the legs, you gotta catch it,
so on and so forth. Watching the film, what stands

(01:17:29):
out at you. It's amazing how many of us who
cover the sport have no idea about the sport or
even can't do some of the little basic things, whether
it be dribbling between your legs, catching the ball between
your legs, shifting this that way, another thing. It's incredible.
So I get it. You know a lot of us
feel like we played in high school. I played point

(01:17:51):
guard at North Farmington, and I could shoot the basketball.
Go to the free throw line and see if you
can make a free throw.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
First right, right, Eric, Eric su Campbell, who's my receivers suit.
Congrat's back at University of Michigan. Watch what the ide
receivers do this year. Watch how they're prepared. But getting
back to this, he used to do the women's camp
back in the day, and so being a wide receiver,
we had to work the women's camp until my senior year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
In which I had females learning football, right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
The females camp. So this you know, females from wherever.
They can be students, they could be high schools, they
can be administration, they could be wherever they would signed
up due to camp. Back then, you know, football as
related to the women's it wasn't as big as it
is now now like women all women watch football. The
numbers have gone up. You know, you can look at
the chart that especially says Taylor Swift blah blah blah, referees, coaches,

(01:18:41):
there's more inclusion now. So right, man, We used to
do these camps and these women would have so much
fun and at the end of camps they would always
come up to the players or sup and so we
didn't know it was this much work. We didn't know
it was this intricate we didn't know it was as detailed.
We didn't. We just thought you went out there and
you caught a ball, or you threw the ball, or
you tackle. They would have so much more respect for

(01:19:01):
what we did after going through that, So I definitely
get that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
One of my favorite things to do is ask football
players like yourself, yeah, the name of a play. So
we've talked a couple of times already this week about
the Netflix series Quarterback. One of my favorite parts of
that series was when all the quarterbacks read a play
from what they're studying. Jered Koff with his girlfriend now
wife that she's queezing him on quizing him on different plays.

(01:19:30):
Do you remember playbooks from Cleveland, New York, Seattle, even
at the University of Michigan, and what your favorite play
was and how you called it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
I knew the concepts, I didn't pay attention, so I
the way my mind works, I don't necessarily have to
read like the whole play like once I hear it's
like trigger words. So I trained myself in reading playbooks
when I was in Michigan and then when I was
in league. I can get to trigger words and know
what the other part was. It's not very smart because
you can run yourself up in some bs and do

(01:19:57):
the wrong play. But for me it was trigger wors.
The trigger word I looked for was, you know, right
week zip Liz ten route ten routes a double breaking
in route. But then on the backside you had a
inside deep over which will hold the safety and a
lot of times that big dig on the backside come
in catch the post. Twins right Ping Ping was one

(01:20:18):
of my favorite players. You do remember, Yeah, it starts
to come back to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
I think what's fascinating to me, guys are open is
the verbiage that football users, coaches and players. So you
just used a couple of different concepts there that I
think most people would just look at. Okay, I know
what a corner route is. I know what a flag
route is, I know what a post is. You guys
have different words to describe so many different routes.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
Ripping Liz would be twins but on opposite side, So
rip go to xactly and Liz you go to right,
but it's twins trips right, it's easy. Double would be
a stack formation on you know, slot side slided just slide,
so it's right left, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
It's intense and I love it, but it's a lot
of stuff too much.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
I'm glad I played for teams that always kept it dumb,
like the Cleveland Browns. They kept it super simple because
they didn't necessarily have the quarterbacks to run it a
certain way. Then when I got to we'll just leave
it at that.

Speaker 8 (01:21:18):
There it is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
Then I get to New York and Mark's a younger quarterback,
so they wanted to keep Mark Sanchez in good situation.
I get to San franc Alex is already a veteran,
so the offense is a little bit more, but Gym's
a running guy, so not a lot. And then Russell
Wilson was a rookie quarterback the year IFS in Seattle.
So once again, let's keep it simple. It's hand the

(01:21:39):
ball off the beast mode, which is another quarter running
back over twelve thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Yard Yeah, Marshall Lynch, all right, quick time out Black
Rock and less Stanford coming up, and then we dive
into some more football conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:21:50):
Yeah, just before you get there, a chat, family, we
got another poll going on right now. Do you think
you could be brandon Edwards in a round of golf?

Speaker 8 (01:21:58):
Right now? Fifty five center people say no.

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
But forty five percent of these brave people, Brightley, you
give it too many people confidence today they think they
can beat you in a round, no handy.

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
Twenty five percent of people say they could beat me a.

Speaker 7 (01:22:11):
Golf Forty five percent of the people were to set
something up with you, we want.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
To studios right here. Look it's three golf courses literally
on the same road right here. We can go down there.
We can handle this. Forty five percent on are you praisy?
Are you wild? On what's on the line?

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
One of those is not a golf course, not very true,
very true, but it's a dog crack.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
But at the same time, if you're trying to get
out quick, trying to get this money.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I'm saying, what's your handicap?

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
Eighteen right now?

Speaker 6 (01:22:37):
I just lies just got mine of twenty five is
lowered it bag.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
See eighteen is what they call it sandbagger, A little
bit of a little bit of a right now. The
way I'm playing, im probably about it like fifteen, no,
no higher, no lower.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
I've said this for a long time. Then we'll get
the black rock. Because kool aid right now is freaking out.
I think some of the biggest liars in the sports
are recreational golfers. Yeah, oh, my son hits her three
hundred yards he doesn't. Oh yeah, I took it, man,
bro he's hot stuff. I was played with the guy

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and he goes, yeah, I usually hit my three with
about two eighty and I went, no, you don't, that's wild.

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
I have Okay, I got this ridiculous kool a. Don't
bat me up. Good friend of mine used to cut
my hair. Shout out to my boy socks. His daughter
started playing golf when she was two three years old,
kind of like the Tiger Store. He put her in golf.
He loves golf as well. She's ten. Now I go
get a cut on Sunday, hooked me up, got me
ready for the show on Monday, and the pinch. I

(01:23:41):
do appreciate that. I haven't seen his daughter since she
was two, and turns in person. I saw her. She's ten, Sanaia,
shout out. She looks amazing, she's beautiful, she so talented.
He tells me, I want you to watch this shot. Okay.
If I would have told you, if you would have
told me, I wouldn't have believed it. Shep on her
drive one. I'm fifty two out at ten years old,

(01:24:02):
she put the ball within this close to being a
hole in one. She finished second, and in that in
that championship, I said, how does she finish second? And
she did that ten years old, one fifty two she
was within two inchesul If I told you that, you
wouldn't believe it. They're getting better shop, some of these kids.
They can actually do it.

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let's go.

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One hundred and fifty third playing of the British opener
of the Open Championship. The leaders in the clubhouse are
at four under. What wins this tournament over four days?

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
Can you four days? Is four? Already at thirteen?

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
I was gonna see it, I'll say sixteen.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
That's sixteen thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Have you seen that track?

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Nope? I mean I've seen it, but I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:29:49):
You said it's four over for it? They're already under
four under four days.

Speaker 5 (01:29:54):
It gets tough.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
I think it gets tough. I think the placements are
going to be more difficult. The conditions might change if
it gets windy and rainy. Yeah, and it does. It
can shift like like Michigan.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
Thirteen is on the high side, but I'm gonna stick
with it because I'm looking at it right now. Scotty
started off with three. He's been starting off bad last
couple of rounds. In fact, that he's one off the league,
I think that gives him a little more confidence. You
look at some of the other golfers that are in
the mix, let's see.

Speaker 6 (01:30:22):
And that's why, y'all to experts, it's not to.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Add to your point. It's not a ton of big
names up there. For that thirteen score. You really will
be banking on uh two players that are in you know,
three under right now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yeah, I think guys will will make some charges. I
think those leader boards change so drastically at times. You
have to be so creative. I don't want to get
into a huge golf discussion here, but you have to
be so you have to be so creative on those courses,
and that just does not play to my game, you know.
You just you have to be able to shoot so
many different shots.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
That's why you miss some of the the I don't
call them older golf because they still played to so said,
but that's why you're starting to miss some of the
older golf is desert g os. The field the tiger
golfers that played in that scramble mode not scrambled like
four guys the best shot scramble like, look, let me
go down to hold seven and then take whole seven
back to this way. So what I don't have to

(01:31:13):
deal with the bunkers. But this is gonna be a
true it's gonna be a tough shot. I may or
may not make it. I missed that era golf. Now
it's like if I can't get the ball four hundred
yards this way, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Now. Phil is in this I think he's one under
for the day, which which tells you so he's incredibly creative.
All right. The Lion's storylines is they get ready for
training camp. I think there's really only two positions that
are up for grabs, and I use two positions as

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the interior line is a question, and then the backup
quarterback if it's Kyle Allenhanden Hooker, I'm not sure which.
I don't know how much I care. I don't care
until they actually have to play. I don't think there
are many good backup quarterbacks in the league. I don't
think they're that many good quarterbacks period in the world, right,
I mean, I don't know how many teams carry three.

(01:32:06):
But if you've got thirty teens, thirty two teams, whatever
the case may be, and you're going to you're looking
for roughly forty six quarterbacks. I don't think there are
that many good quarterbacks in the world. So I'm not
sure how much I care about the backup until I
have to care about the backup. So outside the interior,
I think that's what gives me such great hope for

(01:32:27):
the Lions this year. Is more than just their resume,
but they are solidified in just about every position outside
of two guards and center. Yeah, and I do.

Speaker 7 (01:32:39):
I got the I have the five unresolved questions as
well for the try lines as they enter training camp,
So got it ready to go?

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Five questions. In terms of what the Detroit News wrote,
is that what you're saying about the athletic or.

Speaker 7 (01:32:53):
The athletic Yeah, A couple other things you mentioned is
as well. Obviously the two centers, that was actually the
very first thing that they brought up. It was, I mean,
the assistance the two assistants was actually the first thing
that they brought up. Can the assistants pick up where
their predecessors left off? It say, it's coming outage at
this point that coach Dan Campbell Staffer was raided this offseason.

(01:33:13):
His offensive and defensive coordinators and our head coach and
several systems were poached, and the continuity the Lions boasted
a year ago is now no more.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Yeah, tell me something we don't know. I'm talking more
about position players as this team. You know the five
five questions in that regard.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
Yeah, I pretty much think it's on the offensive line
trying to figure out what happens to terms of being
the start of that situation. I think you already pretty
much at every position, you got your guys. Yeah, you know,
you got the guys that are going to start. I
think it's interesting to see what's gonna happen with the
number two dB. Like I understand Terry Ronod. We talked
about him a little bit. He's a guy that you know,
this would be a bounced back year for him. But

(01:33:50):
you know, what if it looks like it does next year?
I mean, what if it did looks like it does
last year? Out that play in training camp. Mick Robinson
as well as a restraw. What does that look like?

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
It was so good against Jefferson.

Speaker 5 (01:34:02):
A lot of people still believe if he doesn't get injured,
you know, blah blah blah, insert what you want. Also,
that linebacker spot. That linebacker is an interesting position. I
know who's starting, but are you confident with your linebacker corp.
That's really the big tooth.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
For me when you go into training camp. I've always
felt this. Of the fifty three man roster, you probably
know forty eight guys before you even open the doors
to Allen Park. How many would you say the coaching
staff already knows check he's on this team. In other words,

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five I got you?

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
Of fifty three? Yeah, I think they're forty they're forty seven,
they're forty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Think about it. The four of us could do that
right now pretty confidently. On who's making the team. There's
always a surprise, right sure.

Speaker 5 (01:34:58):
Yeah, Because it's always like a ran them running back.
It's always an extra tight end line. It's gonna be
a couple of DB's and yeah, like you said, line, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Guys who can play special teams, Guys who you know,
other guys you might want to hide on your practice squad.

Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
And it's about what do you want to carry more
of in a particular year. This year, based on what
happened last year, I guarantee they care more defensive linemen
as well as look at the offensive line. We're trying
to figure out what rotation is going to work for
the Detroit Lions replacing Zyler as well as Frank Raganow.
So I think they'll carry more offensive line and more
defensive line in the beginning of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
You knew that going in. Look your first year as
a third overhaul per. You've made the team. You don't
have to worry about that, right. What was the sense
of guys who you know are coming in it's late
round draft picks or undrafted free agents and trying to
make an impression with the very minimal snaps during camp.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
It's tough, man, and you almost like you look at
their mental and it you can see it, like every
day you can feel that and see they're looking at
their plays and making sure they know what they know.
They're coming up to you the person that knows, I
know this guy is going to be on the team.
I know he's making a team. Hey man, how do
my route?

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Look?

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
What do you think about this. You know, coach said
this right, He said it was eighteen yards, not sixteen yards. Dang,
did they say anything when I got jammed up at
the line of scrimmers. What do they say when I
caught that touchdown? They're just coming to you with everything,
because every moment is to make it sucks. Every moment
is a make or break play for a guy that's
at the end of the roster. Every moment, you know,
you drop that pass, it sucks one play. Well, you

(01:36:30):
know what, we got to get him out of here
because I only saw him on two plays, and of
the two plays that he had in a week's worth
of practice, he dropped one. Yeah, you feel bad for me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
That's almost uncomfortable for you. You're like watching poor bastard.
He just run the route, ran the wrong route.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Until you get put in that situation like the first
time of that happened to me. Obviously. I started the
whole times with the Jets, the whole time I was
with the Browns, the forty nine ers when I first
got there. I started that year tore My Niscus came
back still played as a starter before I was eventually cut.
Going into the first year with the Seahawks was the

(01:37:07):
first time. We're going into camp twenty twelve. I didn't
know if I was gonna make the team because I
was a last minute edition. They picked me up before,
like the day after camp started. They added me and
toryl Owens. I made it over to Yo. That's a
crazy stat line. But it was different because then I
start having that same conversation, that same feeling. So now

(01:37:29):
I'm making sure that my ankles are right. Now I'm
getting more ice. Now I'm in the hot tub. Now
I'm watching more film. Now I'm asking, hey, coach, I,
how was my depth on that? And I remember I said,
oh man, this is what it feels like to be
on that side. So that day can't come for anybody,
no matter where you were drafted. You can go to
the point where I may not make the team, I
may get cut before the season.

Speaker 9 (01:37:49):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Actually, CBS Sports came out with the best trios in football. Yeah,
the best. It could be quarterback, running back, wide receiver.
It could be quarterback, running back, tight end, but it's
that combo. All right, Detroit, as you see here is
ranked four. Who do you think is ahead of them?
And how much do you think the four ranking is legit?

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
All right, let's start with the first question you asked me.
Eagles are ahead of them Philadelphia. Philadelphia Eagles will be
ahead saw aj and Jalen Burrow will be ahead Burrow.
I can't think of the running backs name Chase Brown
and obviously Chase Chase, Chase and Sincy. Lamar Jackson will

(01:38:34):
be ahead of them because Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry and
he got hurt Za.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Those are the three ahead of them. Yeah, you nailed it.
Number one is Cincinnati, Number two is phil Receiver. Number
three is Baltimore. Are you okay with Detroit being fourth? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
Because I think if you look at it, if you
change this like, it can be different. He's just like
two wire receivers in a quarterback. You can add some
other teams to it. But yeah, if you want to
give us four for that, yeah, because you're going quarterback,
where's quarterback and running where's running back and receiver versus receiver?

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Yeah? For me, I think Detroit should be higher. And
I don't say this is a fan, okay. I think
Joe Burrow is better than Jared Goff. I think Jamar
Chase is better than I'm on Ross Saint Brown, but
I think Jamiir Gibbs is a lot better than Chase Brown.
So I think I think you for Detroit, I think
you have a top ten quarterback, you have a top
ten wide out, you have a top ten, top five

(01:39:38):
you know the argument, you could have a top five
wide receiver, in a top five running back, in the
top ten Q.

Speaker 7 (01:39:43):
I think Jamiir Gibbs is the one. I think he's
the seiling razor for the Detroit Lions, especially.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
On this why I put Philadelphia's the one. I'd put
Philadelphia one, to be honest with you, and I'd probably
put Detroit too.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
I'd be careful with that. And the reason why I'd
be careful with that is the gap between Joe Borrow
and Jared and Jared Goff. And this is no disrespect
to Jared Golf. I feel like this about everybody. The
gap with Joe. Joe Burrow does this in Cincinnati. Like
Joe Burrow has done this game in Cincinnati, whereas windy,
the weather is ugly, they don't want to protect him.
He's done this for the last five year and he's

(01:40:16):
been to Super Bowl. The gap between him and Jared
Goff is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Bigger than the gap between Jamiir Gibson Chase Brown exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
So you do that, math and then Chase is the
best receiver league and that's no knock to that. So
that's my ranking. It's just because of how high I
feel on Joe Burrow and then how high you feel
on Jamar Chase too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Gotcha?

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
Gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
You guys okay with it? Ricky Lamar, I'm not mathist.
You're not mad at the four.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
If you want to say lamartin now, if you want
to say Baltimore, if somebody wanted to move Baltimore, I
wouldn't have a problem with because the Ravens they don't
know when to use Dereck Henry in big moments, Like
they get these moments where they don't use him the
correct way. And if you're trying to tell me, it's
they Flowers who's injured and coming back and you're you're
hoping that he can do what you saw him kind

(01:41:02):
of do. Lamar Zackson has moments where you're like, ugh,
so looking at Baltimore, I can move on Baltimore underneath
the Lions.

Speaker 7 (01:41:09):
Yeah, And for me, I'm not mad at this either.
This is first world problems for the Lions. Now you're
seeing them pop up in every every list that there
can be, and I think that for them, especially when
they chew up, eat up and use as fuel, this
type of stuff is bulletiboard material.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
I love it for the Lions.

Speaker 8 (01:41:26):
At least they look at everything.

Speaker 7 (01:41:27):
And I'm a rah kind of he put that out
in this podcast, put that out there the press conferences
and such that, Yeah, I want everything I can, even
if it's the Pro Bowl, which a lot of people say,
is this the popularity contest.

Speaker 8 (01:41:38):
I like the fact that this stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:41:39):
They found a way to utilize this as further motivation,
but they're not even I don't even think they're being
disrespected though. I think four is a great accomplishment for
this Lions team, which you know Jamiir Gibbs seeing if
he gets to that two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Yeah, but the word disrespect is so overused. I mean
in our society, but especially in sports. You're ranked fourth
and you're gonna call it district If this, what if
this what's motivates you? That would trouble me? All right? Seriously,
I mean I think athletes, I think stuff like this,
they barely even recognize it. Am I wrong here? I
think you get motivated by winning and by making money period, the.

Speaker 5 (01:42:16):
Second one for sure. But I think it's even deeper
than I think. People do care about this though, because
I think nowadays everyone has access to it, so the
fans can see what you saw, and if you don't
feel the type of way, they're trying to figure out
why not. And I think whether it's fair or out
or whether that's what happens. And so athletes feed into
this because they know they're fan base. I'm as Brown's
on one of the most successful podcasts that a player does.

(01:42:39):
You don't think he knows what the fans are thinking,
of what the people see and what the people care about.
So I think inadvertently we live in society where they
care because the people that make them money are the
people that give them likes. You can give them clicks, Sure,
they care.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
I just I just wonder, I guess I when I
look at motivation, I wonder if it's every single week
he's going, you know what, damn it? We were ranked
fourth by CBS Sports and I'm gonna show them right now.
I don't know if it goes quite that deep, Just
so you know, Kansas City was ranked fifth with Mahomes,
Pacheco and Rice, and I think we've got that for you.

(01:43:15):
The Bills are ranked sixth. Josh Allen, James Cook, and
Kalosha Kiir the other members in the division. This is
really well done. Green Bay fourteen, Minnesota sixteen, Chicago surprisingly
twenty second. I thought it might be a little bit
higher because I think DJ Moore is really good. I

(01:43:37):
think DeAndre Swift is really talented, and Caleb Williams obviously
a lot of talent. And knowing that you know the
Almighty is going there and able to cast a spell
over the entire city in the entire league, won't make
Caleb Williams that much.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
But the common that I'm gonna make is gonna sound
like I'm talking about both sides of my mouth when
I say it about Minnesota and I say about Chicago,
but not Minnesota Chicago. It's project it's projection. They saw
what they saw the Kayler Williams. A lot of people
don't trust with this saw. DeAndre Swift has been He's
been an interesting running back in the last couple of
years because he has stats, he has yards, but he

(01:44:10):
ain't it y know and we know that he's not
like that. And DJ Moore is a really, really really
good wide receiver, But do you really trust the quarterback
like that? So I can see why they're there. This
is why I said I wasn't getting in trouble because
I don't have a problem with Jason McCarthy, who has
not played the NFL yet, being sixteen and being ahead
of them because of what their offense is. I was
surprised that two teams didn't making to the top ten.

(01:44:31):
I will say that which I was very surprised the
team that was number eleven, this CJ. Stroud, Joe Mixon,
Nico Collins. I was surprised that they weren't in the
top ten. And I was surprised at number twelve Jaydon Daniels,
Brian Robinson Junior and Terry McLaurin they didn't make top

(01:44:53):
ten as well. I think that was a little bit
of trivia.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
I would take both those teams over Baker Dallas. I
would take both those teams probably over Tampa yep. And
I would probably take both those teams over San Francisco
one thousand percent on.

Speaker 5 (01:45:07):
We got a guest, we do got we got a guest,
like you know what time just haven't seen him on
the news show. It's good to have him in the studio.
Is doctor Jeff Pears our injury inside it? But he's
more than that. I gotta tell you about this store.
I've been waiting to tell the store. So, Uh, there's
a store by my house. I go into it all
the time. The guy's worked there. You know your neighborhood store.

(01:45:28):
You know the people. So I go into the store.
The guy at the store Kevin, His son plays baseball
for Farmington Hills or Farmington and he's been bragging about
him for two years. All of a sudden, I go
in there this particular day and I say, you know how,
I said, how's your boy doing? His name is Kevin
as well, how's your boy doing? Ah, it's over. It's over.

(01:45:50):
He's done. He's done. He's got some type of injuries.
The doctor can't prescribe it. I had an MRI or
he said he had had an X ray that didn't
show anything. Every time he's trying to do something, he
falls out. He's in pain. I said, how much of
that is real pain? How much of that is the
twenty twenty five kids? How much is that is that?

(01:46:11):
He said, No, it's a real deal. Bring eye. So
I'm just listening to this guy who you know. He's
a cool guy, and I'm like, dang, I wish I
could do something. Oh wait, I know somebody. I know
a person that's perfect for this. And actually I had
just seen doctor Pierce about my tennis elbow or golf elbow.
What the hell it was? So I call him. Watch

(01:46:31):
how this works?

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
I call him, don't tell the whole story.

Speaker 5 (01:46:35):
Well, I call him. Man, he was in a place
where he didn't have service, So I don't even know
how I got through. Let's just say that, but I
call I get through, talk to him. He literally talks
to the guy. He's helping him figure out what's going on.
Get set up. He's out of town. Still get him
set up. Guy and his son go the very next day.
I run into them that same day when we checked

(01:46:57):
it out. Feels better. We'll see how it works. Talk
to him. Two days ago. His son played in his
first game. He actually hit the game when he hit.
I don't know if he was lying, but I doubt it.
Hit the game winning hit in his first game back.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
And then told you where I could get a hit
off a major league.

Speaker 5 (01:47:14):
I'm telling you he could get a hit off amazingly. Also, No,
but I just want to say, like it's doctor Pears
is more than a doctor.

Speaker 12 (01:47:20):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
He helped his kid as he does, but he didn't
to take the phone call. He didn't have to make
sure that he's on the phone. Okay, what what what?
What is the diagnosis? What are the symptoms?

Speaker 12 (01:47:31):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:47:31):
He's like, this is on the phone as people are
in line.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
So he got through it all and he was able
to decipher it over the phone. Give me so you're
part you know, you're part magician to a certain extent.
That is doctor.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
What's up? Doc? A lots of lots of welcome to
the new show, talk about a lot?

Speaker 12 (01:47:50):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
You know?

Speaker 13 (01:47:51):
You know, I love that you bring that up, and
I love how you build it up. But you know
it's not it's a skill set that we have that
we love to get out there. And I told you
my next mission is to get to these kids that
are being misdiagnosed, that are in that young teenage. And
he fell right there. He's fifteen years old. He didn't

(01:48:12):
know what direction. He wasn't getting a good direction. You know,
doctors aren't all equal out there, and the motivation and
what's going on. Dad was Dad was one of those
those dads like you're playing you know, old school, you're
playing through paying didn't understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
We did.

Speaker 13 (01:48:29):
We had to justify with There was education on both levels.
It wasn't just him, it was dad understanding, Yeah, this
is what's going to happen. You know, you've heard me
say it multiple times. When you have someone, is it
better to sit an extra week so you're healthy or
to push through. He's got three more tournaments before he's
got some. He's got a lot of skill and potential

(01:48:51):
to go to the next level. A lot of times
this kid gets pushed aside, bad advice whatever we're going
to call it, and uh, you know, it kind of
takes a plummet and and the athlete starts losing. You know, well,
I can't do it. I'm not you know, it must
be on me. If they can't figure it out, then
there's a mental picture and then they just go down

(01:49:13):
this deep dark hole and where he sees us, We're like, no,
this is fixable, we can work through this.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
This is the AB's and c's. We're gonna do.

Speaker 13 (01:49:22):
It just changes so many people, and unfortunately I get
to see it, but I get to see it sometimes
another athletes years later. Listen to the right people, right,
And that's the bottom line. Listen to r And it's
not like we're so much better, but we are. We're
we're a team that's going to peel it back.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
It's not like we're so much better, but we are.
I just wanted to make sure you're gonna be busy
this weekend too, because you're the official doctor of the
Detroit Amps and they're they're they're playing on Sunday at
Little Caesars Arena.

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
We got some inside tracks on that. Yeah. Yeah, so
good for you. I mean working with them too.

Speaker 13 (01:49:57):
Yeah, I know, I mean you obviously they're close to
the team also, and I think it's exciting. It's gonna
be their first hometown crowd. And you know, I was
in Miami with the first hometown crowd for three oh
five and there was a lot of buzz there for it.
So hopefully Detroit can step up and uh get some
excitement for Gervan and the team and get another wing

(01:50:18):
going so we can, uh, you know, look at those
playoff times.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Yeah, that'd be sweet, that'd be really cool.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
I also got Kesha on Saturday. Height. We'll throw that
out there. So you got a busy weekend, man, have
a visit normal.

Speaker 5 (01:50:33):
This is the king of the concerts, man, the king
of the concerts. No getting back to that as it
relates to these kids getting misdiagnosed. What misdiagnoses do you
see the most? Is there a particular one that comes
up quite a bit because of you know, engineering not
being able to point it out easily.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
The spine is a lot.

Speaker 13 (01:50:52):
I mean, obviously my office is a little bit different
because we're you know, we're called Michigan Sports and Spines,
so we see a lot of that. But a lot
of spine injuries scared doctors that they put them into
like more of a bubble real quick instead of figuring
out what's good, what's bad or is it just a
two week egg, take some anti inflammatories, get tough and
get out there. It depends who you see, you know,

(01:51:14):
but a lot of times, if I had to pick
one part of your body, it's probably more of the spine.
The low back is something that like people get scared
of versus like an elbow or a shoulder. Oh, you
can work through that type of thing, but yeah, the
neck is scary. Concussion right now is probably being over
diagnosed and overly cautious because of all the literature that's

(01:51:36):
come out. But is there one that stands out if
you have to force me, it's probably spinal injuries because
they do get a lot of docs get scared. They
rather be cautious. They're not gonna be aggressive. Where if
you come with you know, a team that's skilled in it,
we don't get so scared of it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
I mean a lot. You know, the concussions is probably
right there. Also, what are kids and really parents of
children or young athletes today not doing that they should
be doing to help them with prevention.

Speaker 13 (01:52:08):
You know, I just had this talk with my young
eighteen year old boys. You know, my son and his
best buddy. It's a good lacrosse players. Yeah, good lacrosse players.
So yeah, lacrosse, big lacrosse players. But they're also the
energy drinks. The misuse of caffeine to get that boosting
a game, you know, is it? I think it's a

(01:52:31):
little misread like I'm gonna get my son an expresso
to expressos before the game, get some hyped up, get
some going. You know, do we care about the crash
and an eighteen year old kid? You know, it bothers
me when fourteen year olds are doing red Bull before
a hockey game type of thing. I mean they're like, well,
what's what's it gonna hurt? It's caffeine, it's a little load,

(01:52:52):
it's a little sugar load. They go, well, you know,
I'm gonna do just expresso to eliminate the sugar. You know,
it's not the proper or kind of fifteen year old.
Everybody get it out of their system in time. Yeah,
Is it the right way to prepare? No, absolutely not.
So when you ask what's the right or wrong things
they're doing, I think it's proper preparation in training.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Training is huge, Yeah, but training can be very particular
and very individualistic. So I would ask you not just training,
but I would strongly suggesting you and I have talked
about this, but a lot of it has to do
with diet too. Right, sleep and diet are not as
pronounced as people wanting to go into the weight room
stretching and lifting heavy weights.

Speaker 13 (01:53:38):
Young kids, don't you know, they have more elasticity. So
what decade are we talking about if you're talking about
the young decade, Yeah, they have to do proper. The
biggest thing is cross training. When we start doing sports
specific you start getting muscle and balance, especially in adolescent kids,
you know, adolescent pitchers or overarmed throwers or something like that.
You know where they start over developing and they start

(01:54:02):
their muscles start beating the ligaments and the bone growth.
Then you look at long term problems. We talked about
Screwble about his you know Tommy John, why was that
they did it in college?

Speaker 5 (01:54:15):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:54:16):
Is he pushing during those adolescent years? Because when you
understand the physiology the body, the whole thing makes sense.
When you talk about a coach that has a star
player that's having a growth spurt, he's like, great, this
kids could be even better. But you're not taking into
account that growth factor. When you lengthen the bone, you've
weakened the muscle and you weaken the ligament. You put

(01:54:38):
hundreds and hundreds of rotations on that. You may not
see that injury then, but you could see it later.
Like everybody's like, why so many Tommy John injuries?

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Right now?

Speaker 13 (01:54:48):
You know, are we pushing differently. Are the kids under
different stresses at younger ages?

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
But you have kids, doc right now who actually want
Tommy john surgery and don't need it. That's happening, Well,
it is, it's partly happening.

Speaker 13 (01:55:04):
I'd rather see the biologics kick in at this point
and be more proactive through the biologics, through the pepties,
through the stem cell, through the PRP. I'm unofficially saying
that the FDA has not approved any of that, but
in high level athletes, Tommy John's surgery is something to
be investigated. Right, So when we talk about sports science,

(01:55:27):
sports science is starting to look at the actual ligament,
the ligament that's there. So when you're talking about Tommy John's,
you're talking about a muscle that's coming into your forearm,
and the ligaments have become weakened and overused. So when
you look at it, when they're throwing so much and
they're trying to throw junk at a young age prematurely
and the coach is like, oh, yeah, you got it,

(01:55:49):
are they really looking at the form? Are they the
right person to evaluate the form? Like screwball? Like I
forget who it was it was talking about about the
All Star. He's phenomenal to watch because of his mechanics.
He's so smooth. What do you have been that smooth?
If he didn't have that injury.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Good question.

Speaker 13 (01:56:05):
That that's I can probably answer it easily. He probably
wouldn't have because he was going on his natural talent.
Breiln Edwards, he had natural talent. At ufl blows out
his knee. He said it here earlier.

Speaker 6 (01:56:16):
I heard him.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
I had a different take on the game because of
my injury. Thanks. Sometimes these injuries are wake up calls
to the guys that want to be there.

Speaker 5 (01:56:24):
This is true, man, those injuries, they remind you that
you're not superhuman, remind you there are things that you
can do too to God, also help yourself prevent I
think one of the big things for me was prehab.
And I've talked about this before. Pread became very important.
A lot of times people are reactionary, you know what
I'm saying, as opposed to being prevented. Provincial, provincial.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
So I started doing way more before practice. I would
make sure I took a little time after practice and
do things. And it doesn't take long. Fifteen minutes of
stretching fifteen minutes of getting on a certain machine, you know,
fifteen minutes of whatever it is, it can prevent you
from reoccurring thing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
So real quick, because we got a lot of people
in the chat who may not be in their prime
athletic shape any longer. Okay, so we'd like to help
all our viewers and all our listeners throughout Woodward Sports.
If you were to tell young adults who maybe are
done playing their sports, but like the recreational sports and
some middle aged people, the weekend warrior, Yeah, the weekend

(01:57:24):
warrior guy, what's the most important thing for them to
stay in shape?

Speaker 13 (01:57:30):
The most important thing is daily routine, right, So you
have your daily routine. Usually if you have some type
of injury, you want to address that first thing in
the morning and at least another time in the day.
You do that seven days a week. But you also
have a routine of working out three to four times
a week. So that's really if you really want to
be proactive and on top of it, that's what it's

(01:57:51):
gonna take. And the thing is certain age grips like
to muscle up on their beauty muscles. For sure, the
beauty muscles, aren't you cross training not your cross fit
all that stuff. You have to understand where your injury is.
Like I see guys with knee injuries. We're wearing a
sleeve playing softball. To me, that's a great person to

(01:58:11):
be proactive, Like what's going on. You have to increase
your quad strength, make sure there's a muscle balance between
your quads and your hamstrings. If it's a shoulder injury.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
Cross training is basically what you're saying, cross training and
make sure you're stretching and doing what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 13 (01:58:26):
In that regard cross training, flexibility, stress, breathing and flexibility
is so underrated.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
An hydration good, so those creations. See guys, Ricky, that
doesn't mean drinking beers. Okay, he's talking about Okay. I
just wanted to make sure Doc is great to have
you in studio. Thanks for the time today. We appreciate
it as always to be back with you tomorrow on
The Braylan Edwards Show with Chef two to four, don't
forget the falls on all our socials, and don't forget

(01:58:53):
five o'clock. We got another show coming up and it
focuses primarily on football. Who doesn't love Lions and college football.
We're back tomorrow two o'clock here on Woodward Sports. Have
a great Thursday, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
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