Braylon Edwards Show with Shep I Friday, July 18th, 2025

Braylon Edwards and Matt Sheppard dive into the latest in Detroit Sports!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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a Brailln Edward Show with Shep. You look sharp as always,
but but well we'll get it. We'll get to the shoes.

(01:13):
We'll get We'll get to that and know, yeah, the
shoes are actually from from Italy. I'm pretty proud of
the shoes.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Here's the thing. I'm watching the intro. I don't know
why I never caught this before. No pun intended. It
has you number, It has you number eighty a few times?
Did you start wearing eighty and then switch to one?

Speaker 6 (01:33):
With all due respect to my wonderful cod Mass sorry,
it was an amazing individual.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
U where have you been?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Take the shot?

Speaker 7 (01:42):
Part of this?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I deserve it.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
You know what you do is actually deserve it in
this sense part of the story of the number one.

Speaker 7 (01:48):
At least for me.

Speaker 6 (01:49):
Maybe not Dave Terrell, maybe not Derrick Alexander, maybe not
you know, Butterfield, McMurtry or the original O g AC.
I had to get eighty pers like I asked Car
once we came up in the summer, I said, hey, coach,
I would like number one.

Speaker 7 (02:04):
My dad played with AC.

Speaker 6 (02:07):
I know what one is, I know what one means,
and in Dave Terrell was somebody I looked up to
when I was in high school as well. Well, Burlin, No,
I can't have number one. You gotta earn it. So
what's your next number? And if you earn it? We
can revisit this conversation after the year. So he gave
me eighty and I instantly motivation. I'm pissed off. I'm like,

(02:29):
all right, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna
turn up. First year I played, I didn't red shirt,
but you know, three catches thirty eight yards trying to
figure out the space.

Speaker 7 (02:37):
I was a little bit more immature, and I think.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
I like to let on our way, all yeah, we
are you look back, you can you can see it.

Speaker 7 (02:44):
So that was eighty first.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
The maturity is a little different. I mean with you.
It'd tell the football field. People like Ricky and koolated
me at upside down beer box and went to stop
you know what.

Speaker 8 (02:53):
It never did be come on, never did a beer
bo My dad had two rules when we went went
to high school. He goes, look your football. I know
you're gonna be drinking. He said, don't drink and drive,
and don't know three, don't drink and drive, don't mix
alcohol and energy drinks, and never do beer balls.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
Therefore, what alcohol energy drink was a good one. That
was a pretty good get.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
People spoke from a man who's got experience right there,
that's a good one.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
I can either confirm or did not. Yeah, but I
will say that is a good one. Fast forward. It
didn't do anything. I went to ask coach anyway. He
coach get out of my office, so I left. It
was worth a shot. Sophomore year, we had some ups
and downs, but I finished off with ten thousand yards,
ten touchdowns.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
And sixty catches. And I went back and had I
was second team all big ten.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
I went back and asked him again sheep, and he says,
let me think about it, man.

Speaker 7 (03:48):
What does a brother guy? I got a thousand yards.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
I thought that was the benchmark, but he allowed me
get the number for spring ball and we set me down.

Speaker 7 (03:54):
We had a conversation and told me.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
What came with it, and there was a lot, and
he expected a lot of He acted on that.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
My junior year.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
I was able to kind of settle in by my
you know, senior year and the rest is history.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
But Lloyd made me earn that jersey, and good for him.
He took it back from me.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Did he really?

Speaker 7 (04:12):
He took it back from me. I was late for
a meeting.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
My junior year in training camp, I was late for
a meeting and he made me wear eighty the rest
of the training camp.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I really that's a great story. First of all, what
was the inspiration behind eighty?

Speaker 7 (04:29):
Jerry Rice? Okay, that's the reason why I played it.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's a great one. Did you feel differently? This is corny,
but did you feel differently?

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Win one numbers make you like that may sound silly
as I don't know what, and that's fine.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
It's true.

Speaker 6 (04:42):
You ask anybody that plays a game or play it
at any level, when they got the number that they wanted,
when they got the number that they feel they resignated with.

Speaker 7 (04:51):
For me, it was always one. It's like it's like
the switch flip.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
One of my favorite movies in the eighty is Over
the Top Sevester Stallone wrestling movie.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
I'm a sly guy. I'm a sl guy.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
It's a cheesy movie, but it works like this.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
The alone remember he had the hat switch.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Yeah, it's like he's right here with it and he's
just you know, he's just regular arm wrestler.

Speaker 7 (05:13):
But when you switch that thing to the back.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
And then you do the over the top the Lincoln
Hawks out to Lincoln, it's like you turn into a machine.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
If you get the jersey.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Number that's yours, Like, that's why these guys get into
the league, make Pro Bowls, they make all rookie teams
and do all this, and then what happens. You're one,
I mean, you're two year three, Here comes the jersey switch.
Because they believe that this number is synonymous with them.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You got to live up to it.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
And I will always believe that number one is synonymous
with me. I wanted I fall forward. I worked for it,
I got it, and I love it.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
I did that.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
What about in the pros shout out what was the
seventeen significance?

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Two things? One Michigan State score. We were down seventeen
when we came back. That's it was always a little
old two the game, So you know, I'd be lying.
I knew that game represents a little bit more than
I led on to believe, but to no one had seventeen.
So in two thousand and four, the NFL finally allowed

(06:12):
wide receivers to wear team digits. Not single digits yet,
but team digits. Everybody that came into the league that year,
Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams of the Detroit Lions, Rashaw was
Lee Evans go down the list, they all got number eleven. Yeah,
because eleven is like a double one, So everybody got eleven.
I didn't want that. I didn't want to come in

(06:33):
and get the same number that everybody else had. Like
seventeen was a number that no receiver had or no
receiver that did anything had, and only really had notoriety
with Hell Carmichael.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
In the seventh that's right.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
So it was awesome, amazing, and he worked for player
development for the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Cool dude, Yeah, that's very cool. DeVante Adams now, yeah,
so that's pretty cool. I love that. Did you guys
ever have numbers when you play?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, that were really important to you?

Speaker 7 (07:02):
And what baseball?

Speaker 10 (07:04):
Oh yeah, look baseball my pops man, he was an
all city player. He grew up in on the West
side of Detroit on Glendale. He played a lot of baseball. Man,
but my basketball number thirty three Grant. Yeah, I got
caught up in the Grand Hill Fever, in the Grand
Hill Madia. He was on the Sprite commercials, he was
on the McDonald's and it was like Detroit finally has

(07:25):
their superstar.

Speaker 9 (07:27):
They choose to come here and he was.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
A great dude. Draft He is a great, dude. Yeah,
I swear by grand Hill. That's that's a good one.
Thirty three for grand Hill. I love it. How about you, Ricky?

Speaker 5 (07:38):
No, my number always changed a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I haven't.

Speaker 8 (07:40):
We'll get to more of the stories. But my positions
always changed, so they're always just throwing different numbers at me.
I had eighty from five to sixty two to fifty.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
Five, depending on what positions am I playing today.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Sometimes sometimes that's the way it goes. It's tough to
be a running back and we're number sixty three exactly.
I get it. I wore number three, and when I
played baseball, I wore three for Alan Trammel. I wore
number eleven when I played football because I thought it
was a really cool quarterback number, and that's what I played.
And believe it or not, this is kind of stupid.
It wasn't Greg Landry. It was Danny White. I don't know,

(08:17):
I know, but Danny White was the quarterback who replaced
Roger Staubach played at Arizona State, later became a head coach.
And when it was basketball, I just carried over the
three from from baseball. I mean, that's what I wanted
to do. But I do believe you're right. I think
numbers are very personal, you know, and I love your

(08:38):
seventeen story because you're paving a new pass. I'm not
saying you're the trailblazer per se in the NFL, but
for you, you are. I mean, it's how many other seriously,
how many other people that you know of were were
seventeen in the NFL?

Speaker 6 (08:53):
First of all, I believe I am the trailblazer, and
this is my meat, tapping into my Detroit roots.

Speaker 7 (08:58):
We think we're the reason for everything to my city.
Three one three, you know what It's like that what up?

Speaker 6 (09:04):
No one has seventeen at that time that played receiver,
that was doing anything. So I chose number seventeen. The
number looks so good. At my press conference speaking to
Michigan State, guess who decided to follow.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
Suit after I got ah, there you go.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
Plexico Bert got his seventeen a month after I got mine.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
He bought it from the Kicker.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
I think he paid They publicized it forty five fifty thousand,
whatever it was. He bought his from the Kicker. And
then Plax goes on to have a really good career. Obviously,
wins the Pro Bowl and not wins the Pro Bowl,
won a Super Bowl, had a touchdown on the slang
go at the end of that Super Bowl. So he
did great things, but he got it after me, then
after me, then it's plexico. Now you're starting to see more.

(09:47):
Now you have Devonte Adams. Now seventeen has become that
number that eleven was. And when you come into the league,
seventeen is a wide receiver number that you get. Well,
now they do single digits, so you know you get one, nine, eight, two, whatever.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
You I believe Le'Veon Bell former Spartan. Also, when I
was seventeen, was it a kickers number before? What was quarterback? Yeah?
I think Brian Sipe who.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
Played for Cleveland seventeen kids, somebody wore it in the
Jake Delane that's right, We're seventeen, simple Bowl, good one.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
So seventeen was a quarterback, kicker, punterter, the whole nine eys.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And I like it.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
I was like, that's it's also how.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
It looks like I'm not a fat receiver, I'm not
a short receiver or some numbers out of the ject
What what.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Do you mean You're not a fat receive?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Eighteen fteen is a bigger eighteen. Mike Williams is a
big body receiver.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Eighteen, he's thirteen, Mike, Mike, Mike Williams, william Yeah, Mike.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
Thirteen is an ugly number.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Eighteen is eighteen is justin Jefferson.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yeah, but Jesse Jefferson is amazing, and he grew and
he grew into that number, so you don't care what
he's wearing at this point.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's one of my favorite lines. I'm not a fat receiver.
How many receivers?

Speaker 7 (11:01):
I don't like?

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Six, only eighteen, I only sixteen, fourteen, shout Tom said Brown.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
I don't like any of the thirteen. Thirteen is thirteen
to sixteen.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
You think it makes you look fat or it is
a fat number.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
It's a bit of both.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
Like one, it can be a fat number because the
six is way over here in the at least when
I came out, the numbers are different. Now you know Nike,
your fanatics, whoever's doing the jerseys or very thin whatever.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
But when I was coming out, the six was a
big six.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
The eight was you guys don't talk about the eight
was a bigger number, like the four was kind of.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
Weird, like a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Thirteen is unlucky anyway. Mike Evans makes it look he's
going on all.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
The fame I have.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Dan Marina would argue, but I hear what you're saying.
I think for the most quarterback. Yeah that's good, he's
a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Yeah, seventeen was like I can get the eleven field,
but a little bit of a curve. So it was
some thought that winning the seventeen. It wasn't just hey,
i'm a brown, here's seventeen. I thought a little bit.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I like that. That's the that's a really cool story. Yeah.
You do look good though, whether you're in seventeen or
your golf clothes. Did you play golf today?

Speaker 6 (12:06):
I did play golf. You said you will play with
your father before the show. I played with Pops. Oh
that's my step mom.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah. I would play with my father, just because I
lost him at an early age, so I wish I
could have it back. But yeah, I mean that's great
you and your dad played. So where did you play?
And how'd you do?

Speaker 7 (12:19):
We played down the street only because.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's right down the street.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
Yeah, right down here, man, play it.

Speaker 11 (12:24):
Well.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
I sat at eighty six, okay, but but it's the course.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
We were at I'm not. I'm not. I'm not giving
any kudos to that course.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Look, can I ask you a question? Do you play
better on better courses?

Speaker 7 (12:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So do I I'm not great, but by any stretch,
I'm not gonna embarrass myself. But no one's going home
and going I'll tell you what, Man, I played with
that you efford today. He was unbelievable. No, you're not
doing that. But I seem to feel more like a
golfer and play better on better manicured courses. If I
play a dog track, I usually play like a dog.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Ricky, I'm asked you a question, Get you involved and
so out to the chat.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Man.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
We appreciate you guys. Man, I know I haven't he's
with you much. But look it's week one, Week two.
We're gonna turn it up and not Ricky. Tell me
you've gone to Lifetime Fitness or Planet Fitness or any
place that has a basketball court you've got to run on.
You got your boys coming up there, and you play
against some straight bums.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
I'm talking about some guys.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
It cannot hope you look at them and you laughing
when you off the court.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
Like man, we about to to Lifetime Commerce.

Speaker 6 (13:23):
What happens a lot of times when you play these
pickup games. In these runs, you played down to the
level of your competition. Meanwhile, you got a bunch of
guys that's five to five that probably work at one
of these restaurants around here in their spare time, and
they then ran you off the court. I feel the
same as you about the golf course. Sometimes when you
play a bad course, you play bad because you're like,

(13:44):
this course isn't anything, so you don't take it seriously.
Just like when you play that bad team at the
im building the U of M, and you got all
these guys that are going to the NFL, You're like,
look at these look at these chemistry majors, look at
these psych majors. And then you got to wait, you
turn because you just lost.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
You got a messing around because you played down to
the level of your competition. I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Before the show, before Braylan showed up, God blessed Ricky.
He's worked three different shows.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
I believe I had a great day.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Kool Aid's worked a couple of different shows. So Ricky's
in the soft chair just getting a little bit of
a massage. Kool Aid, the Great team mean that he
is brings him in some food, and Ricky looks at says, oh, man,
I really appreciate this, and and and he ate that
like like like a pit bull on a poodle man.

Speaker 8 (14:33):
He was it's funnya kool Aid said, it's enough of
two people. I have like five bites.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Left, and trust me, it's the next commercial break that
that will be inhaled. So I look at Ricky and
I say, hey, you know, what do you got there?
He says, I've got Indian food.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
No, it's Mediterranean.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Mediterranean, Okay, I thought I thought kool Aid said it
was Indian food. Either way, it's it's a little different
than than your typical you know, burgers and fries. State
of the air, yeah, which is what I had and
spilled all over me. You know, I just got this
shirt back too bad. I just got it back from
the dry cleaners, and I got a mustard spot here,
mustard spot there, a mustard spot there, and then one

(15:12):
on my pants too.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
It must have been good.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
At least it was really good. But my kids always
make fun of me because all I do is spill
all over myself like an idiot. Anyway, Ricky is one
of those guys who he's not afraid to try different foods.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Palate is open, all.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right, open the umbrella. I'll go all over the map
to get it. I can't do that, can you do that.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
I've gotten better as i've gotten a little bit older,
just opening up the palate and saying, hey, look man,
I'll try anything you know once, essentially, unless it just
smells bad for me.

Speaker 7 (15:43):
Test.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Smell test is a real thing for me. Smell test
is a real thing. Some stuff I won't go near to,
like Indian food. I've had a million people have conversations
with me and say.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
You just haven't had my spoder. You just did.

Speaker 6 (15:55):
I'm like, all right, I've tried it enough to at
least you tried it. I've tried enough.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
Times to the point that I know, like, yeah, I
got a couple of good things, but this.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Is I'm done.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
I'm cool. I'm okay.

Speaker 9 (16:07):
Well you're telling me it's only so many times you
can have the butter chicken.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Sometimes it is, but.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
If you really like it, you're gonna go. You know
it's There are certain go to things that we all have.
There are certain go to players that we're gonna maybe
place a bet on or use as our as our
you know, our our fantasy football or fantasy baseball player, right,
I mean, that's that's the go to guy. I've always
wondered why people who would not like something at one
point in their life go back and try it again,

(16:37):
because I can't do it. If I count you out,
you are out. So I'm not. I'm not going back
to beats, for example, No way, Slimy not gonna like it.
A lot of people do like it. My wife loves it.
She says, I like it later on in life. How
did you try it later on in life if you
never liked it in the first place.

Speaker 7 (16:53):
Okay, well I agree with your wife on this one.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I know you do. Most people do.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
Look, I'm trying to start the ladyship off the right way.
I have to agree with your significant other in your
better have. I hated beats. I hated beats, and then
along the aging process, you know, you start to realize
I want to take health serious. So I realized how
good beats are for are for you at forty then
I started to eat it, and I'm like, then it

(17:18):
really not that bad. And now I'm mixing in the
fact that I know they're good, and I know they're
good for me, and they're not that bad. They don't
They're not that bad. You can and also your palate changes.
When I was a kid, I didn't need sushi. You
couldn't get me to go to a Japanese spot and
order some raw fish.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
What uncooked? No, no, no.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
Insert the slow process at twenty two, I mean the
California Row like everybody else. And then from the California Row,
what happened the shrimp tempoo fried shrimp?

Speaker 7 (17:48):
So you start there and.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
Then eventually let me get a little bit of ginger
with that, you know, is that yellow tail?

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I've heard that so many people. Man that your palate changes.
Mind does not.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
You haven't tried.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
You haven't tried anything, did you.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
We were just talking about this the other day, getting
people to rap with your city, right, you haven't come
to the city.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
You have done.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I have tried. I tried it a long time ago,
and I just won't go back to it. Yeah, pretty simple.

Speaker 10 (18:18):
I hear him over here talking about how healthy and
clean heat, you know, and all this stuff. I got
my food and crime over there, miss.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I will say this for as healthy as he is
for his in shape as he is for as much
he's conscious of what he puts in his body, he
will join you in the celebration of sugar, no question.
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you bet we are back. Yeah, that's good. I want
to dive some I want to dive into some football
here in a moment. But first, this Sunday is a
different kind of experience here in the city. It's the
first time that Detroit can actually call a three on
three basketball team their home, their own. So the Detroit

(23:01):
Amps they play their first and only game at Little
Caesars Arena. The festivities begin at three o'clock. A lot
of Piston's legends will be there. James Buddha Edwards will
be there, Rick Mahorn will be there, our friend Terry Mills,
Grant Long, Antoine Joe Bart is going to be there
as well. John Long will be there. It's gonna be

(23:22):
awesome to have a lot of those people decorating the
stands and that TV camera finding them. What I love
most about Detroit, and I get we've got a lot
of really high profile people. What I love about Detroit
is the athletes themselves. I don't care if you were
a star at Bishop Gallagher. I don't care if you're

(23:43):
a star at Michigan or Michigan State, or you're a
star with the Lions or anywhere else. You guys are
the people everybody wants to see. And right now they've
got a really good deal. If you buy an AMPS ticket,
you get a ticket to the Live Golf tournament in Plymouth,
which is awesome. Yeah, that's a real good deal. By
a Big three ticket for the games in Detroit Sunday,

(24:04):
get a free ticket to Live Golf Team Championship Michigan.
Two epic events. One great deal. That's a really cool thing.
And if you've played the Cardinal, have you played the Cardinal?

Speaker 6 (24:11):
I was just about to say the card and I
played at Calvin Johnsons out And since they've redone, it
me too.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
Man, I'm telling you it's light.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
So actually this Monday is Sheron Moore's his out at
the Cardinal. Cardinal's getting a lot of love.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Really sharp, and you know what, they do a really
good job with it as you know. But either way,
I love that when you go to an event, you
look around and while other cities have these you know,
Hollywood actors or directors or stuff like that, in Detroit
people see the athletes are like, hey, there is fill
in the blank. I love that about Detroit. I know

(24:45):
you get some you know, entertainers, but the athletes primarily
are the story when they go to other sporting events.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah, one of them saying, I think one of the
biggest things about that is whether guys are home grown.
Antoinejo bears from up the street. Jalen's from Detroit. Drome
Bettis is from Detroit, Chris is from Detroit. Grant like,
they not only are from.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
The city, played at the institutions, they come back to
the city. They take their grassroots seriously. They do things
for the city.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
Actually, Jalen and Chris are doing the game at the
corner the old Michigan Trumble Tiger Stadium. They're doing a
game in which they're coaching against each other on Sunday
to kind of kick off the Big Three before it starts.
But even if you're not raised here, even if you
just play here. Calvin Johnson, Calvin's not from Detroit, but
something about this city makes you want to put roust out.
Something about this city that once you're a part of it,

(25:34):
it doesn't release you. Herman Moore last time I Jecki,
he's not from here. There was no Super Bowl to
hold him over here. You know, there was no Hall
of Fame which we're waiting on to hold him over here.
But yet and still I remember going to Herman Moore's
camp in ninety four and he's.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
Still doing work in the community. Like this is a place.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
Once you get to Detroit, it's such a special city
you don't want to go. And the athletes they embody
that guys that come from men and women, they come
from all around the country. They put routs and they
don't leave and they come back. And the support, the auntiings.
I see Grant Long all the time. Jimmy King is
another big staple here and trade you think Jimmy.

Speaker 7 (26:10):
Was from here.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
He's from Texas and he still.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Lives in Dallas, but you would think he's from here.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, he's Jimmy will be there too. Face love Jimmy
for sure. Barry Sanders is another good example. I mean,
Barry Sanders just came here and said, you know what
I mean. Now suddenly you become a Michigan.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
It's great that you brought up Barry the conversation that
we had. Barry retires, he retires to the facts. A
lot of people in Detroit didn't like it then, they
still don't like it now. Just think what that time
was for Barry for him to still be here right
after that reception, and what that was from the retirement,
for him to still be here and be out in
the community. That lets you know that there's something special

(26:51):
that sometimes words can't put into our You can't put
into words what we feel about this.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So what is it do you think? I think it's
the people. Yeah, I think that's a big part. And
I think people are A couple of years ago, one
of the players on the Tigers, I won't say who
it was. He lived in Birmingham, Okay, And I said,
what is it. I was just sitting there, you know,

(27:16):
watching some VP. He came walking into the dugout and
sat next to me and I said, how are you
fitting in? Oh, everything's great with the team, right, And
I said, how do you like the area? I always
like to find out with people or athletes from out
of town where they think of our town, just to
give him an idea. And he said, you know what
I love about this place, he said, and by the way,

(27:37):
it was Eduard Old Rodriguez. He said, you know what
I love about this We live in Birmingham. And he said,
we can go out to dinner and nobody bothers me.
He said, they'll just come up and they'll say, hey, congratulations,
good luck, thanks for being here. He says, nobody hounds
me like they did in Boston, for example. And I thought, man,

(27:59):
that made me feel really good. I remember when I
was a kid. One time I lived in Farmington Hills,
right across in the post office off twelve mile.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Oh yeah, right by Dunkle.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, right by Dunkle where I went, Yeah, fire up Warriors.
So my dad went in the into the post office.
He saw Lance Parrish. Okay, and he came home and
he said, boys, I just saw Lance Parrish. And I said,
did you get his autographed? He said, hell no, I
didn't get his autograph. The man's got a day off.
I'm not gonna bother him by asking him an autograph.
I just shook his hand and said thanks for being

(28:29):
a Tiger. That's how you do it, right, Okay, great.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Man, right there.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
But I think the people in general are contagious to
athletes who aren't necessarily from here and maybe didn't know
enough about us until they do get here.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
I mean too, you guys can speak of Ricky as
well as Kool. I think people in Detroit make him
feel a part of Detroit in the conversation, like, it's
not a starstruck type.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
I mean, you are starstruck.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
I mean, hell, if you see Terrey Skoogle, you're gonna
it's Terrek Schoogl. But I think that even within that
is hey, look man, like we appreciate it. Like like
you said, it's like, hey, appreciate you having you in
the city. It's not a starstruck conversation. Oh my god,
it's terror school. Can I get an autograph? Can't you
take a picture? Can you call my girlfriend and tell her.

Speaker 9 (29:13):
I'm with you?

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Can you call my dad and can you sign my
my buttchee? Like, it's none of the crazy stuff. It's like, Yo, look,
I know you guys got the Rangers coming up and
do something. I know you guys got Michigan State coming up.
You know, Look, I need to go out there and
get two touchdowns. But it's in the space of yo, No,
you're a part of what this is, like, you're we

(29:34):
welcome you in. So now we're just having a regular
conversations like we're at a barbershop or we're at the
park or we're somewhere.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
That's the feeling you get from the.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
Fan And I feel like it's ingrained in our culture
because think about it, you go back to like I
wasn't there, but I remember hearing stories about Moltown, how
like Motown was the biggest thing in the world. But
you will see Aretha Franklin just at the store. We
all know what their houses are about it. We all
know where people don't go and bother them. And I'm
gonna have to get some credit to Eminem. Eminem made
full songs about not bothering celebrities, and I feel like

(30:03):
he trained us, like, all right, you know what, don't
bother while the.

Speaker 9 (30:07):
Hey and you know what, shout out to Jenen Rows too.

Speaker 10 (30:09):
At the you know, I went down to the DSOL
for the Detroit Pistons Big Sean event and it was
fabulous and after it, you see this, uh, you know,
the the big tie hole or whatever pull up all
blacked out, and he was about to walk up and
get into his car, and one person asked for a picture.
And then what proceeded was jenen Ross just like he
looked around. He told this guy like we just gonna chill.

(30:31):
He just stood there and made sure to take pictures
with people, talk with people, ask people about, hey man,
how's your day going to things like that.

Speaker 9 (30:38):
It was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, that that is very cool.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I love Jaalen. I love what he gives back to
the city. We should text me back regarding for crying out.
You you brought up the barbershop. Educate us a little
bit more on why the barbershop is so important.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
I'm in the black.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Community, going up, just growing up. I think it's kind
of changed little bit now. Like you know, like some
barbers do sweets, so it's like a one off, like
one guy at that time getting so you don't have
the same barber shop experience, but just growing up, like
this was a place where where where black men came
to get the testosterone they needed, came to get the

(31:15):
sports talk they needed, came to get some psychology that
they needed to deal with. Relationships, their marriages, things of
that nature. Like these become your friends. These are people
you hang out with after work or after school, after
the job, like the barbershop, which is a safe place,
Like it was a safe space you kids coming too,
the barbershop, kids in the neighborhood.

Speaker 7 (31:35):
Man, it was a community aspect.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
It's a community element like that barbershop used to black barbershop.
So I used to love as a kid twelve ten,
it didn't matter. I used to love just being in
the barbershop listening to the stories. I'm like, oh, man,
this is cool.

Speaker 7 (31:50):
Oh what's that about? What they talking about? Haha, I
know what that is.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
Like, that's what it was like. It was a safe,
cool haven for the black man to have to.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Grow education too.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, I'm literally going there.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
When I leave here, I'm going to the barber side,
I'm gonna hang out, probably gonna you know, share some stories.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
You're gonna you're gonna hang out, You're gonna get your haircut.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
I'm gonna get my hair cut. I know my barber
since I was in like high.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
School, So we take your head off. It doesn't seem
to me like you need a here.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
You don't need to agree with me on this.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
It's one of the places where you can get two
educations at the same time.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
Are you going there?

Speaker 6 (32:22):
You can get the street education, you can get book education,
all at the same time, and there's a bunch.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
Of individuals that are in there doing one or the
other or both.

Speaker 8 (32:31):
So you learn a lot and sometimes you get some
good merchandise for a nice quality discount. Legally, of course,
very Truey's gotta.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Throw that in there. Legally, of course, you.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Get receipts and everything.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Speaking of receipts, t J. Watt's got a big receipt
now got the three year, one hundred and twenty three
million dollar extension. T J. Watt is now the highest
paid player in the history of the National Football League
outside the quarterback position. So it seems like each time
that bar is being raised, it started, you know, with

(33:08):
Jamar Chase, and then it's Miles Garrett, and now it's TJ. Watt,
and we all know who's coming up. We don't have
to educate you on the Michael Parsons and maybe Trey
Hendricksons and Aid Hutchinson's and get in all that. But
what was your initial take on the one hundred and twenty
three million dollar extension that gives TJ. Watt forty one
million dollars a year.

Speaker 7 (33:29):
I didn't think he was worth it, really, you said,
initial thought, Initial thoughts.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
I'm looking at the totality of the situation. I'm looking
at an individual that has had injuries over the course
of his career. I'm looking at this team being hampered on.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
The offensive side of the ball. They got a lot
of big contracts, so one of.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
Their biggest achilles hill they've always paid all the defensive
players and not had enough for the offensive players. I'm
looking at that. I'm looking at a franchise that what
do you what are you guys? You guys are in
an all or nothing move right now. You just paid DK,
now you're gonna pay TJ on top of it.

Speaker 7 (34:05):
That's what I wanted to say. But I looked at
the stats.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
I looked at the numbers, I looked at what it is,
and I was able to take a deep dive.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
He's worth the money.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think he had him over a barrel. There's no
doubt he's gonna hold out. I'm not. I'd love your
take on athletes holding out because I think it's a
different mindset for me, it may be different for kool
Aid and Ricky, and I think from an athlete it's different.
The only thing I'd say about the injury is he's
only missed one part of one season with the injury.
The other thing that stunned me, and he should be it.

(34:38):
He should have been at least like we always complained.
Shaquille O'Neil was only named MVP once. That's ridiculous, right,
t J. Wat's been only defensive player that here once
and that's that's a joke. Two years ago, when he
led the league in sacks with nineteen, he finished second
to Miles Garrett. Do you guys know how many times
Miles Garrett has led the league in sacks? Zero zero zero.

(34:59):
T J. Watson the league in sex three times, all right,
every year that he's been healthy, and he's only one
year he played ten games. He missed five games, so
you can almost, you know, understand that he only had
five and a half sacks. Every other year except this
rookie year, he's had at least double digit sex, and
in fairness to Miles Garrett, he's had double digit sex

(35:19):
in seven consecutive seasons.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
Is Miles Garrett playing next to Cameron Heyward. Is Miles
Garrett playing with Minka Fitzpatrick go on the back end?
Is Miles Garrett playing with the same the defense that
Pittsburgh is notoriously known for, although they've they've had a
lot of blemishes over the last couple of years. Is
that what Miles Garrett is doing? Because TJ see quarterback
hit quarterback?

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, Cleveland's had some decent players opposite him and some
decent players in the secondary. I don't think they have
the tradition that you're talking about with Pittsburgh. I guess
I would agree with you. My would have pause. Giving,
with all due respect to a thirty one year old, forty
one million dollars a year. But it's a short term deal,

(36:03):
so that helps. Are you going to use that money
for somebody else? Not this year? You're not? Okay? So
what is it you expect to do? Hold on to
that while you feel like your window is even closing further,
and Mike Tomlin's windows a head coach might even be
closing tighter, you know what I'm saying. So the people
who say, well, it's stupid to sign him, let's say

(36:25):
you don't sign him and he holds out and he doesn't, ply,
then what who do you have to take that place?
And don't I don't like players holding out when they've
got a year left on their contract. I understand it,
but I don't like it because you signed the deal,
you know, three years ago or whenever you signed it,
you said, hey, I know the landscape's changing. You guys
all know the landscape is changing. If you've got a

(36:46):
problem with that, don't sign the long term deal.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
True, but a lot of those conversations are, hey, look,
we'll take care of you.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
In the back end.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
And it's it's stupid for but a lot of those conversations,
and that's the give and take.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Hey, look, you know you work with us and work
with you. You know we're doing it. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
So you fall into that, you know, you fall into
that trap sometimes as a player is like, all right,
i'll do this now and you'll.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
Set it up later.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
And then you get to that point, now I have
to beg for the money that you told me you
would provide. And nobody was privy to that conversation but
you and the owner. So with that, but looking at
this deal, looking at TJ. Looking at the stats and
looking at everything, you say, you're absolutely right, nobody's going
to get that money this year.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
He deserves that money. But you brought up the locker room.

Speaker 6 (37:28):
If you don't pay TV yet and you pay DK
and you got guys, that's how you fracture a locker room,
that's how you fracture locker room. So you want to
give DK metcalf this money coming from Seattle, and we
don't know if he's even going to be like with
Aaron Rodgers' quarterback. Meanwhile, the guy that we know we
can depend on. Meanwhile, the guy that's been here. Meanwhile,
the guy that's always on the field and when he

(37:49):
can play, he's given us all that he has, and
it's usually to the tune of eighteen to sacks, nineteen
and a half sacks, you put twenty two and have sex.

Speaker 7 (37:57):
And he missed the game that season.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
By the way, Uh, this is the guy, great in
the community, great on him. There's no blmishes in his
character and no blimas in his play. If you don't
pay him, now you have the pushback that distillers have
been known for players complaining about getting paid for other.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Players it's funny, you're smart because Pittsburgh in this situation
is seen as borderline. You're responsible, and.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Yeh, it's it's a responsible thing.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, I agree. Yet Cincinnati is a team that isn't
paying their guy Trey Hendrickson, who's had seventeen and a
half sex in each of the last two years, and
they're squabbling with their first round pick, and they're viewed
as cheap. How do you like? Wait, we in Detroit
bitch and moan about Chris hillhich isn't gonna spend money
on trek school get the most out of them, so

(38:45):
let him go. Then Pittsburgh does something like this and
spends money on their star to keep them happy, and
people are like, that's ridiculous, what a stupid thing. How
our owners supposed to win in that situation when you've
got a star who should be paid a certain amount
of money based on the marketplace.

Speaker 6 (39:03):
I don't like talking out of both sides of you
know what, But all that TJ has done for all
these stats that we just ran through, for the twenty
two and a half sacks and the one hundred and
eighties had in his career, and the MVP that he
got snubbed on and the MVP that he won. For
all of these magical numbers, how many playoff wins does
he have? You're right, how many times has he directly

(39:25):
affected a playoff win or a playoff strategy?

Speaker 7 (39:29):
How many times has he been and soul? So when
you look at it that.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Way, now I think you're great. That's a great point.
I would also say, Jamar Chase.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
They got to the super Bowl, and Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I'm saying, you know, with the new contract, let's see
what happens. Okay, Miles Garrett, Yeah, okay, fair, Jared Goff, Yeah, okay.
If the ultimate is the super Bowl, what are we
looking at. We're looking at certain individuals. In other words,
there's only a few guys who've actually lived up to it. Yeah,
I suppose, you know, if that's what it's about. But
I think it's a fair point. I do. I think saying, Look,

(40:06):
if you're spending forty one million dollars on a guy,
are you if you're not gonna win, If you're not
gonna win playoff.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
Games, playoff, let's start their playoff games right on.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
He maybe're not gonna win playoff games, but that's not
on TZ Why And that's when you started to get
in crosshairs.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
But that was just a thought.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Why some people are angry with some people upset, or
some people don't see the purpose. It's because for all
that money you're paying him, for all the twenties doing
to happen, and all the stuff he's done in the
regular season, tremendous player. In the playoffs, when it starts
to matter, there's nothing, not even a win.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Somebody in the chat says, with the position Pittsburgh was in,
I think it would have been smart to trade tej
rather than sign him. They continue to put band aids
on big needs. How are you going to trade a
guy who's holding out, has one year left on a contract?
How are you gonna do that?

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Like?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
The easy thing, I understand where you're coming from. But
the easy thing is to say, well, I just trade
him to who?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
For what?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
And how do you you need someone who's gonna say, oh,
I'll tell you what I'll take Ricky. Oh, I know
he's sitting out, I know he wants a big deal.
I know I don't have the cap money at forty
one million, especially at this stage of the season. Sure,
let's do the trade that's easier written and said than
it is done at this stage.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
I think also to one, you would need a team
that's as stupid as the Pittsburgh stility to trade. You
would need a team that's as dumb as them to
make that happen. But I think in this new landscape,
you're gonna stop seeing the desperation hall, the desperation pull.
We gotta sign this guy because we need this guy
this year. I don't think you'll see that anymore. Like
the Hassian Reddick situation that happened a couple of years

(41:39):
ago with the New York Jets.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
He signed. He said, look, wherever I get traded to,
it needs to be a contract. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (41:44):
They did it, unfortunately, And how long did it take him? Yeah,
it took him a very long time. It happened to
somebody else.

Speaker 7 (41:50):
I don't think you're gonna see that anymore because teams
won't put themselves in that position. The league is trending
away from.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
All right, I gotta go all in this guy because
this year, the stillers aren't any situation where all or nothing.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
But you are gonna have three other individuals who play
similar positions to do the same thing. Micah Parsons has
come out and said, all I know is I'm gonna
get mine, and he is gonna get his because he
is a son of a bitch off the edge, right,
Aiden Hutchinson. This year, he's gonna if he has a

(42:23):
really good season, he's gonna get his. Trey Hendrickson holding
out he made for Cincinnati's hands. Those are the things
that are that are real right now in the National
Football League. And because it's the marketplace and because it's trending,
other players are going to take advantage of it.

Speaker 9 (42:39):
No, I was gonna say, just to back that up.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
Man.

Speaker 10 (42:41):
As soon as I saw that deal, my mind instantly
went to Aiden Hutchinson's gonna reset the market. And there's
a couple more guys down the market over the next
few years that are probably gonna do the same.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
But I would you wait, if you're Aiden Hutchinson, would
you wait to try and see where Micah Parsons signs.
Like I would think Trey Hendrickson would be the next
guy Micaeh Parsons and then Hutchinson. But you run the risk, okay,
of not getting like how much is enough? Like if
somebody said to you. I'm sorry, I need a million
more than Miles Garrett. Really, forty million doesn't work for you.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
That's why you left the Magic.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
If this is gonna sound crazy, because anyway, no, you
wouldn't you in this current landscape. If I was eight,
I would take I would take a discount only from
this standpoint one.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
You want to win.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
That's the objective to you are and did yourself to
the city because you're from Plymouth. You went to Michigan,
which is all up the road, down the street. The
money that you would lose on the the two million
that you would give up or et cetera, or whatever
it would be, you would make back through forward. You
would make back through one of the millions of companies
of corporations that are here in Detroit.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Shout to our city. You make that money back Michigan.
All all these things.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I can't believe. I'm taking the side of things. He's
gonna make those any way. Number one and number two,
how much is the how much is a hometown discount?
I don't believe in hometown discounts, man. I mean, if
I'm the athlete and I put all that in it,
and especially if I'm a football player, knowing that your
career could end on the very next play. I'm getting

(44:15):
as much as they possibly can, and I don't blame
them one bit.

Speaker 10 (44:20):
Hey, look, you know in the chat they're all on
it right now. Shout out to the Chat family. If
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cooking today. But they're in the chat saying, give a
to Hutches cent the money right now. Thomas Wolford says,
give Hutchson forty five MILLI a year right now. Cardier,

(44:40):
Hell yeah, If I'm huts I'm getting all My eight
is four one one says four years, one hundred and
sixty million for hutch Cardier gang, get Hutches forty and
call it.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Why would take forty when when somebody just took forty
one and forty five. He's coming off a broken leg.
I wouldn't give him forty five right now?

Speaker 7 (45:01):
Would you give him?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
No, he's coming off a broken leg.

Speaker 10 (45:06):
You don't think he's gonna set the market, man. I
think he's gonna set the NFL at blaze. It might
cost the Lions if they wait.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Not this year, He's not. He has to go through
this year. He's not gonna reset the market this year.

Speaker 9 (45:17):
Talk to me about it.

Speaker 7 (45:18):
What does he need to do to reset the market?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
In your opinion is he needs to have a year.
What's that similar to what he had two years ago
or on pace to what he was doing last year
where he is involved in the defensive player of the
year conversation, Then he resets the market.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
Two years ago he had twelve sacks. That ain't gonna
cut it to reset the market. You talking about resetting
the market, you're talking seventeen or more sex but at least.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
But I'm talking about quarterback pressures. There's a lot of
different things. Remember you just got done telling me who's
playing opposite him. Nobody. It's Marcus Davenportland and the guys
inside really challenging, right, So, I mean, it's not like
Lee McNeil's gonna be there. Levian Touwerke is gonna be
out the first four games again for crime out loud.
I think based on quarterback pressures, tackles for losses, quarterback hits,

(46:06):
and the sacks. If there's somewhere in that neighborhood. You're right,
probably need more than twelve and a half. But if
he's somewhere in that neighborhood, I think he can reset
that market because of the upswing. I wouldn't give him
forty million dollars right now coming off a broken leg,
would you?

Speaker 7 (46:21):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Kool aid would? But know what, man, Look, it's easy
to spend other people's money. Man, It's really it's really easy.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Right, talk to me, right.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
I'm just saying, like, forty million dollars is a lot
to what matts severers. If you want to pay him now,
that's fine, I understand. If you want to pay him not.

Speaker 9 (46:40):
I'm not paying his brand.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
Man, I'm not paying any more than thirty eight right now.

Speaker 9 (46:44):
More than thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
I'm not. I'm not even I'm not even touching it.
I'm not. Look what's the car fax when you buy
a when you buy a used car, has it been
in an accident? It causes a red flag. I love
Aiden Hutchinson. I want him to be a lion for
like and I hope he gets as much money as
he can not before he plays this year coming off
a broken leg. That's great. This is not a broken pinky.

(47:07):
Look at his finger on the right hand. Okay, he
can't straighten it, that's one thing. If he can't walk
or run, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (47:16):
This actually was like this when I entered the NFL.
It was like this when I.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
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Man in the chat.

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Guys, and we Braillen Edwards Show two to four Monday
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Don't forget to follow us on all our socials. A
lot of people in the Chad, some people say Aiden
is the best we got, and I think that's part
of at least my mindset. I'm not saying everybody's is wrong.
Who disagrees with it, but I don't. I don't care

(53:23):
if a guy's the best you got. That doesn't mean
you overpay them, You know what I mean. You pay
the guys for what they're worth. You pay oftentimes in
sports it's what they've done, but it's also what they're
going to do. And again, let me reiterate, I love
Aiden Hutchinson. I want him to be a lion. I
think you have to separate your emotional and your mental

(53:46):
state of the situation. All right, Emotionally you want him
to be here. Emotionally, I understand why you're saying, Miles
Garrett's getting money. T J Watt's getting money. Our guy
deserves money, not yet. Look get the resumes of those
two individuals. So if I say I don't want to
I'm not giving him X amount of dollars right now

(54:09):
because he's coming off a broken leg doesn't mean that
I don't like him, and it doesn't mean that I
don't think he will be productive. It means I have
to wait, and I think that's okay.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
Yeah, what I'm saying, I mean, you're talking about two individuals.
They got forty one million dollars, Miles Garrett as well
as TJ. Why look what their like you said resume,
Look at that eight year career. Look at what they are.

Speaker 7 (54:28):
Sixteen sacks, sixteen sacks, seventeen sacks, fourteen sacks. Defensive player year,
runner up defensive player. You runner up defensive player. Your
defensive player year got snubbed like this. This is their resumes.
They both got driving to down seventeen. This is what
they are.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
You look at Aden Hudchson and look at his resume,
and it's been a good one when he's been on
the field. But nine and a half sacks, eleven and
a half sacks, seven and a half sacks. Obviously, what
happened last year unfortunate. But now he has to get
back from.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
That injury this year. You're really to give him forty
million dollars right now.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
I appreciate what he's potentially he could be, and I
appreciate what he's been so far, But forty million dollars
right now, when the resume is improving, we're arguing over
paying tj W. Meanwhile, he's got nothing but stats. Nothing
In the last two years. He's played seventeen games both years.
So that's why I also had to be quiet about
him missing games a couple of years ago. It's going

(55:19):
to happen, but you gotta wait and you'll learn this shop.
These fans, these Detroit fans, you say anything that they
don't they.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
Don't feel is right for their their player, they will
come after you.

Speaker 6 (55:31):
They will call you disloyal, they will call you you're not
part of the city, You're not with them.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
Just get ready.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, I've been I've been used to this for a
long time and that's okay. And that's why I'm still
standing talking to I think you talk different on the gains.
I think the difference is that Aiden Hutchinson's twenty five
TJ wats is going to be thirty one Miles Garrett's
twenty nine slash thirty. So I think you would love

(56:00):
to sew up a guy in his quote unquote prime,
even though I still think Miles Carrett and Tej Watte
have a lot of football left him. I think that's
where people are probably thinking. You know, and let's face it,
we are scarred because we feel like there are certain
teams in this market that haven't paid their players when
they are deserving. Terrek School is a really good example

(56:23):
right now. How many people have come up to you
and said you gotta pay Trek scouble and the Tigers
haven't done it yet.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
Hey, people want me to talk about that on the show,
like literally when they run up to me, Hey, you
got you gotta.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
Get schools paid. We need to secure him nine.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
That's the conversation on the flip side, though, kool aid.
If you ask these same fans yourself included, potentially, would
you do this if it wasn't your team?

Speaker 7 (56:47):
Listen, it's a whole different conversation question if it wasn't
your team, would you be paying eight? And Hundson who's
coming off a horridices injury that.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
He also did to the other lag when he was
in college, which we're not talking about by the way.

Speaker 7 (57:00):
Yeah, can elephant in the room?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Can can you imagine paying one of the pictures who's
coming off Tommy John forty million dollars a year? Why
are you doing this to me?

Speaker 7 (57:09):
Man? Why?

Speaker 10 (57:11):
Honestly, as you were talking, I was sitting here like,
you know what, Brad Holmes is set a precedents.

Speaker 9 (57:15):
He has no problem with breaking.

Speaker 10 (57:17):
The market or setting the market or doing history for
his guys that have no ball, And so now I'm like,
you know what, why not tell Hutch to go out
there and earn it? We're not gonna lose hutch There's
no way to letting this guy. If he earns a contract.
We don't know how big it is.

Speaker 9 (57:30):
There's no way to letting him leave Detroit.

Speaker 10 (57:32):
So as I'm hearing you guys talk, I'm sitting there like,
you know what, go out there and make him earn
this thing.

Speaker 9 (57:37):
And I understand everybody's got a price, but I.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Get you, he's got a price. I'm sorry. If if
Joe Montana can get traded, if Wayne Gretzky can get traded,
if Michael Jordan can play for another team, and Lebron
James can play for another team, and Kareema Jill Jabbar
can get traded, with all due respect to Adon Hutchinson,
it's it's fine. Somebody else might get him, all right.

(57:59):
I'm not saying now, I'm just saying, let's not make
it sound like he's not leaving Detroit, my god, because
he went to Michigan, went to Divine Child, and he's
from this area. I hate to tell you, but bigger names,
better players in other markets. It's happened, dag Man.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
And you know what, that's a wrinkle to it as well,
because how you do you sit here with the player
like Hutchinson, who it's not what it was before last
season or when he was jetted off to you know,
a a historic pace at the sacks.

Speaker 9 (58:26):
At the start of the season before I got injured.

Speaker 10 (58:28):
We're talking about hutch post injury now, and that does
joy a little bit of a different question when you're
talking about going and setting the market ahead of time
when he has the ability to play through it now.
It is interesting because it will be interesting to see
if he plays himself up to a certain value what
the Detroit Lions do.

Speaker 9 (58:44):
But I do believe, I do believe that he's.

Speaker 10 (58:47):
Somebody that is probably gonna be taking care of about
woe mister Brad Holmes if he urns it.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
Though, if he urns it, and I agree with you
one of him saying as he should if he earns it,
which he's already has started.

Speaker 7 (58:56):
I was reading the comments, shout out to Cardier American.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (58:59):
I appreciate everybody comment, even if I don't agree. Braklyn
thinks touch is trash.

Speaker 7 (59:04):
Laugh my ass, And where did you get that conversations?
Did you get trashed?

Speaker 1 (59:10):
When?

Speaker 7 (59:10):
If I ever call eight nutches in trash.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (59:13):
When did I ever But it goes back to what
we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
If you're not four in all aspects than you are
against and it's just not the case. I think he's
a tremendous player. I think he was on his way
last year. One of the biggest conversations of this first
two years was I'm tired of the hurries. That became
the conversation. All he gets, you know, he gets all
these hurris. Get to the quarterback. When you start having
conversations like I want to be the best, or I

(59:35):
want him to set the market, or he's the best player,
or he's on the way, then excuses, get the tarp,
getting taking out of the equation, and all he's getting pressures,
always getting double team. Michael Strahans, something says something great
about double teams. He said, his rookie year, he started
getting to the quarterback and they started liking.

Speaker 7 (59:52):
In New York.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
Then what do they do, well, They double team at
the guard, get a little chilled, get the left, the
right tackle on. He said he couldn't get a the
double team, and the coach said, so I don't want
hear anything about a double team. I don't want to hear
anything about them scheming you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
And do this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
You're the player that we believe could be the future
for this organization. And we saw what Michael Stroyhan became
one of the greatest to ever do it and broke
the record of the Brett Favres play.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
That's what aiden essentially is.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
He is a guy that we drafted that can be
one of the best of all time. You have to
hold him to that. Don't get excited because he's almost
there and you're like, he's close, he's close, he's close.
It's pay him wait till he gets there.

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
He will get there.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
But we know a we know his pedigree, we know
his father's pedigree, who had the Michigan sack record before him.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
He is a fighter, he is dedicated.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
He is about the Detroit Lions life. So this isn't
me or us negating or hating on him. This is
saying what you want him to be. You want him
to be the greatest. He wants to be the greatest.
So don't try to give him forty when he's not
forty million dollars worth right now, Let's be careful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
It's not like he's put up Al Baker numbers.

Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
Oh, say, the Bubba Baker.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Bubba Baker had twenty three sacks, sixteen sacks, seventeen and
a half sacks his first three years in Alliance uniform
and wearing number sixty, which didn't make much sense to me.
But anyway, those three Okay, we're talking about Defensive Player
of the Year, Pro Bowl next year, Pro Bowl, next year,
Pro All Pro each of those three years. Those are

(01:01:21):
gaudy numbers for anybody. Those would be gaudy numbers today.
For sure, those aren't his numbers. And if you believe
just because he's from the area, my assumption is that
Sakwan Barkley is going to retire an Eagle because he's
from Whitehall, Pennsylvania. He went to penn State, even though
he played for the Giants and is now in Philadelphia.
As much as I love those.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
Stories, Aaron plan for the forty nine ers next year,
you know he's from about there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
There you go. Yeah, that's a good point. As much
as I really enjoy those storylines, they're great for us
in the media, it's just not reality. I mean, I
was pissed off when Lance Peis got traded. When Jack
Morris played someplace else. When Dan Petrie Lefton's played someplace else.
That's the way he goes in sports, and especially today.

Speaker 10 (01:02:02):
You all know what another name that popped up into
the chat and I forgot about this, and I want
to be able to give credit with credits do I'm
going to say it first and I'll go back to
it when I see it. But somebody said, we all
thought that we were going to resign, and Donkin sue
as well, and that was one that got away. And
so just to put it kind of in perspective as
relates at least Lion's history and some of their top
tier players that we thought maybe wouldn't get away.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
And he was a bad ass. I mean, Braylan educated
us on that yesterday. I never thought they would resign him.
Braylan says, they didn't come with the money, so I'll
take his word for it. He was an absolute beast.

Speaker 9 (01:02:36):
Shout out Stephen Baffi. That was from Stephen Baffi in
the chat.

Speaker 10 (01:02:39):
Man, But there are a lot of people in the
chat who they kind of agree with the sentiment, and
I know Steve o'baby is one of them. He says
Brailan the emotional. The Lions fans, they are just emotional.
They can't accept criticism. They're like little kids. And he's
one of the ones who actually agrees with you guys
as it relates to you know what, wait and play
this thing out. See what it is with Aiden Hutchinson

(01:02:59):
right now, and I I gott admit, even though that's
Detroit kool a, I would probably say, you know what,
let's go ahead and set them up early, just to
avoid what the market could be. If this is the
thing we as fans learned to be a fan of,
like a team with super Bowl expectations. That also comes
with understanding we got a real organization. We can't think
the way we used to win times past. Now we

(01:03:20):
got an organization that's showing they know what they're doing.
They take care of the players that have earned it,
and that to me is where fans more or less
should be as a relations to the Detroit Lions and
Aiden Hutchinson.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
Hear me out about this, like if you want to
talk about the Jared Goff situation where they definitely could
have paid Jared Goff early save themselves some money, and
I understand that that's fine. Whatever aiding is gonna get paid.
They got more than enough money to cover that. Sound yep,
like they got a bunch of money that they're setting
aside for ninety to seven. They are not worrying about,
oh well, we may not have it. They're gonna have
the cash. If you want to talk about Aiden making

(01:03:52):
forty this year. If the Detroit Lions defensively completely fell
apart last year after eighteen Huncheson got hurt, if they
completely apart, and then you come into this season and
he's healthy, and now you're like, well, I get it,
because now you're like, our big guy's back. Our defense
was trashed last year, we were a wild card or
blah blah blah.

Speaker 7 (01:04:11):
We won eleven games, we didn't win fifteen.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
They won fifteen and two, and Aaron Glenn found a
way to elevate that defense regardless of who wanted to
get injured week after week after week. So now you're
looking at it, it's no rush. You're in patience because
you got a bunch of guys that are coming back
as well, including ninety seven. So there's no hurry to
pay him because whatever money he's gonna make, it will
be there this year.

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
It will be there next year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
A couple of First, I can't believe kool aid went
third person that's true. Second of all is Aiden Hutchinson.
Do you think it's what's the more likely scenario? It
helps his cause that TJ. Watt and Miles Garrett soon
Trey Hendrickson and Michael Parsons will set or reset the market,

(01:04:57):
or does it hurt his cause the fact that Detroit
did what you just said, went fifteen and two. He
played five games, but for the most part played really
well without him, one more games without him, only lost
one game without him, and reached the postseason. And what's
the number one overall sick? Which one is it that
hurts him or the other one helps him?

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Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
I don't have the post. I'm a hater.

Speaker 6 (01:12:35):
Fine, I tell you like this though, he better have
more than thirteen sacks this year one percent if he
plays thirteen and excuse me if you play seventeen even
sixteen games, and also if he doesn't have those thirteen sacks,
if he has you know, thirteen or twelve or eleven,
don't come to me talking about well, you know he
was coming off of injury, you know, because that's what's
gonna happen.

Speaker 7 (01:12:56):
I don't want to hear anything about injury.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
If you played seventeen games, then you finished with twelve sacks, Like,
where are you then? Don't tell me, well, he's coming
off injury, the Ada Hutchinson and you think you know
that joke about it have sixteen or more sex because
if he doesn't have that, the conversations you have and
it's a moved.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Yeah, it doesn't It really doesn't matter because in the end,
if he doesn't come through, the same people who supported
it and wanted it can easily trash it because we're
not responsible for you know, some of the tweets and
some of the comments that we've had in the past.
If you wanted to put it in perspective now, I'll

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be I'm a little biased here. First to admit, would
you would you sign Riley Green at the end of
this year to a one hundred plus million dollar contract?
I mean, he's a two time All Star and he's
your best player.

Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
Does the first time county?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Why doesn't the first time count?

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
Because of what they're doing they were still doing anything
where they were allowing a player from each team, So
you school.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
School has already represented him last year, all right, so
it definitely counts.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, By the way, he also won should have won
the fielding, He should have won a gold Glove. I
like Stephen Kwant and left, he's very good, but fielding
Bible wise, Sports Information Systems fielding Bible wise, Riley Green
was the best left fielder in baseball. So that career
high in homers All Star follows it up tied. A
career ian homers playing a solid left field might win

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a Gold Glove All Star. The key guy so far
in this offense, the key guy to getting them to
fifty nine wins? Would you sign him to a multi
year deal where he's making over one hundred million dollars
because his resume is thicker than Aiden Hutchinson's right now.

Speaker 10 (01:14:44):
You're right, and you know, conversation, it's a little weird, man,
when you start to talk about that with a Riley Green.
It doesn't because we're sitting here right now wondering why
a guy in schoogl whose resume is more thick than
both Riley Greens Ada Hutchinson's. He's still sitting here and
we're and we're being told it might be smart for
the Tigers to wait that contract out and see where

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it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
So I don't know, I don't know who's telling you that.
I mean, that's that's debatable.

Speaker 10 (01:15:11):
There there are some people out there who do believe
that me Parsonally, just like well, Hutch, you already know.
I'm definitely giving schools the money. Does Riley Green deserve it? Yes,
but we don't. We do know this in baseball, I
see your face. Yet in baseball, that's just.

Speaker 9 (01:15:25):
Not the way the economics works.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
I think, I pay Look look at what Look at
what Atlanta did with Ronald Acunya, Look what they did
with Ozzie Alby's, Look what they did with Austin Ridley.
Absolutely the economics work. Economies worked out.

Speaker 10 (01:15:41):
Way for Green and you know what I mean, for
Riley Green and the Tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Okay, now you're changing the argument. They haven't done that
with anybody, Okay, but they did it with Cole Keith.

Speaker 7 (01:15:50):
You want.

Speaker 9 (01:15:51):
That's a great point.

Speaker 6 (01:15:52):
Actually that was they were in a desperate situation when
everybody got hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I don't think they were desperate. I mean, Ronald un
you're gonna pay him, but it was early in his career.
I mean they judged that pretty quickly to make sure.
And same thing with Ozzie Alby's and Saint Austin. Riiley
actually struggled a little bit and they gave that to him.
So Detroit has done that with cold Keith, and col
Keith is a guy. If you look at his numbers
March in April, he's betten a buck eighty one, all right,

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and there were a lot of people who said send
him down. Since May two ninety six, with a slug
of over five hundo and second among second base or
fourth among second basemen in weighted runs created, and the
last eleven games, he's batting three point fifty nine with
a slug of over six hundo and a weighted runs

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created of one to ninety four. He's cooking, all right, Okay,
So I think he's so. I think he's He's the
guy who is not being talked about that much. Maybe
it's because he's positionless. But they did pay him. If
they can pay him with a very minimal amount on
his resume, and it was all minor league stuff, why

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wouldn't they be able to do it with Riley Green?

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
You're about something.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
When you get into the millions, the big bucks, when
you get to the big leagues, you know people started
to get tight.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I wouldn't I wouldn't know they get tight.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
I don't think you should give him that deal. Like,
are you paying I think you can play Riley Greenough.
If everything you said you sold me on that even
before I probably would have leaned that way.

Speaker 7 (01:17:26):
He is the force.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
He is the most consistent force on the Detroit Tigers
right now, including everyone right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Now, should be the captain of the baseball agreed. I mean,
if you're if you're into handing out season on baseball uniforms,
Ricky's really quiet today. You can tell he's worked a
long day if you're hit, if you're into that on
baseball teams, he would be the guy, at least from
my standpoint.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
Also to like, we're a different team.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
If you're telling me one hundred million dollars is going
to take care of our star, our star team, that's
four hundred million dollars. Almost seen three fifty, that's two fifty,
that's six hundred.

Speaker 7 (01:18:02):
On some teams we pay one hundred million.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I said over one hundred million. I wasn't getting specific.
I should probably need to be more specific.

Speaker 6 (01:18:09):
That's fine, but in that point, it's not gonna be
anywhere with those crazy deals, and it gives you still
a lot of wiggar room to do other things. Hence,
obviously number the guy on the mound, but it still
allows you room to play.

Speaker 7 (01:18:19):
He has pay him that money. He deserves it. What
would you be waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
For waiting until waiting until he's done through salary arbitration.
That's what you're doing. And sometimes teams use that if
you want to say, because they're financially responsible, go right ahead,
or because they don't feel like they have to pay
him yet. And I think that goes a long way
when you when you decide a guy who's your guy,

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and he's that valuable, I don't care how he runs,
you guys, he's If you ever thought he was going
to steal twenty bases, you weren't thinking straight. He's not
that player. I'm not saying it's a five tool player,
all right. He's not Trey Turner, he's not Bryce Harper,
He's not a five tool player. Ronald A. Kunya is
a five to a player. Riley Green's a really good
defensive player, has good power and is a really good hitter.

(01:19:06):
All right. I know he strikes out. I know he
swings and missus. Aaron Judge struck out one hundred and
seventy one times last year. All I'm telling you is
at this stage of his career. Knowing where your team
is at, knowing where you're positioned, it's deserved. That's a
guy if you believe you're all in with Hutch and
you're all in with certain athletes in this town, K

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Cunningham and so on and so forth, Right, Riley Green
should be in the conversation.

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
Now you're right on that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Me.

Speaker 10 (01:19:33):
You're talking about a guy who position player, was the
All Star last year and still this year. Between this
year and last, there are whole Tigers games where it
is the Riley Green game. Where's Riley Green's offense that's
carried them throughout this several seasons with them having.

Speaker 9 (01:19:48):
A turnaround that not a lot of people expected.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
But they're waiting for the Riley Green game. Three homers
in a game doesn't count, or what what the hell
was going on here?

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
Man?

Speaker 9 (01:20:00):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (01:20:00):
Like, we've had whole games where he's carried the offense,
where it's been just him. And that's where when you
look at them this offseason, flirting with Alex Bregman and
showing that they are willing to at least open up
the wallet to the tune of twenty eight and a
half million a year for him. Then you do look
at a Riley Green, somebody who has underpinning your offense
for the last couple of years, and you say, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:20:19):
What, Yeah, he is running his keyp I get you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Alex Gregson was a better player, But I get what
you're saying.

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
Yeah, side note, you do these things. I'm starting to
pick up on what I'm saying. You drop a little
knowledge and then you roll right to your next point.
You cannot compare Aaron Judge to Riley Green.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
I wasn't I I saw what you did. I was
I was just saying, guys swinging miss in today's baseball, you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:40):
Better use somebody else. Well, I Judge is the best
hitter in baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I don't know if he's the best hitter, but he's
the best all the wrong player. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think I'm all I'm saying is it's accepted swinging missing
strikeouts are accepted these days.

Speaker 6 (01:20:55):
Kyle Swarve would have been a great example because he's
probably got two hundred strike outs every year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Yeah, Kyle Schwarp has a ton of strikeouts. Ellie day
La Cruz has got a ton of strikeouts. Okay, a
ton of stolen bases for sure, But he strikes out
a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
He's struck out more in his I think his year
five for him, he's already struck out more than Tony
Gwinn's whole career.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Yeah, that doesn't I don't think Tony Gwinn struck out
more than forty times in a single season. That's oo
so that that to me is a hitter. I mean
that that guy's the ultimate hitter. All I'm saying is
in today's baseball, we accept swing and miss and strikeouts
because as long as a guy can go yard. We
would have a problem with it with Luisa Rise but
he doesn't strike out. But Aaron Judge will hit you

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fifty plus bombs, So I can live with the strikeouts.
Riley Green's gonna hit thirty bombs. He's gonna hit close
to three hundo. He plays a hell of a defensive
left field, and I think you can accept some of
the minuses or the negatives in his game compared to that.
I'm not comparing him to Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge awesome.
I love Aaron Judge. I think he's a hell of

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a guy, and I think he's a hell of a
player at a great representative for the game of baseball.

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
Roley's Green has done enough right now to where if
you pay him at the end of the season and
something happens, I don't think too many people are gonna
be pissed. That's why I will say I agree that
that's where he's at in stature for the Detroit Tigers.
They pay him that money and something goes around, people
are not going to be pissed because they will understand
what was going into it at that moment. It won't
be a situation where they pay him and I got
we told you not to pay him.

Speaker 7 (01:22:21):
You saw what it was. You won't get that in
this situation.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
So he's got some pressure on him. There's no question
that Tigers, everybody's got pressure on you. You had pressure
every single Saturday and every single Sunday. So I would
love to know how you define pressure and as you
do that, keep us in mind of where the NFL
pressure is most on what franchise in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 7 (01:22:44):
How do I design define pressure? That's a good one.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
Uh, Saturdays wasn't a ton of pressure until November, but
more number one, but practice was easy, Like practice was
the hard part, Like when you're competing against the type
of individuals.

Speaker 7 (01:22:59):
I was competing with Michigan on a day in the
day out basis, man, you got the Saturday, it was
who's in front of me? It didn't even matter.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
But pressure in the NFL is tough because there's a
lot of factors. There's coaches involved. There's there's coaches could
be fired, the front office could be fired.

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
There's owners willing. Hey, look they're looking at the landscape
day after day after day.

Speaker 6 (01:23:19):
Not week after week, not month after month. They're looking
day to day to see what they want to change.
And then you got to play the game. So pressure
is pressure is can you be the team that you're
supposed to be? Like, can you be the team that
you're supposed to be?

Speaker 7 (01:23:33):
That's what pressure is.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
That's how I look at You look at the Detroit
Lions last year coming into what the season they were.
They were coming out for NFC championship excuse me, NFC
championship appearance twelve and five, had a tremendous roster. You
come back, you load up adds more draft picks. The
pressure was can you win the division again? And they
won the division again, and they added wins to it.
They won fifteen games last year. They didn't get the

(01:23:56):
NFC Championship, but they added the pressure was can you
win the again? You've shown this that you're the tops
in the division, the NFC North. Can you do it again?
And that's what they did last year. They lived up
to that pressure. Now they didn't get as far as
everybody wanted them to, but the pressures can you get
through the division? I think that pressure has gone to
a new place for the Lions this year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Which teams in the NFL do you think have the
most quote unquote pressure going into the season.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
Baltimore Bill's got to be one two because John Harbaugh
he won in twenty thirteen. That was twelve years ago
and four quarterbacks ago. You know, it's a different situation.
It's a different time. You've got essentially the best player
in the NFL every year, and what have you got
to show for it? And what do you have to
show for so? I think the Baltimore Ravens under pressure.
Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bills Josh Allen has done

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tremendous in the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (01:24:46):
I understand that, but they have not gotten to the
super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:24:49):
They have not gotten to the next peak because of
Patrick Mahomes, but they haven't gotten there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
So even though they've had home field at times too.

Speaker 7 (01:24:57):
Yeah, Baltimore, so they got to be on it. They
got to be in it. That's the first two to
come to mind.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Same here, Yeah, first two. But I think the Lions
in San Francisco are the two other teams that come
to my mind. Yeah, okay, And I think a lot
of it, and I think that's a good thing. I mean,
you've kind of taught me that it's really good if
there's pressure, because that means there's high expectations.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
So we have a lot of expectations for the Lions,
and we're not sitting there trying to convince people that
if they don't get it, heads are going to roll
shout out to Judas Priest with a really good song.
All I'm saying is that I think there are none
of you guys got that.

Speaker 7 (01:25:31):
But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
That Detroit has high expectations. People feel like this team
can be great and if they're not, then it's a
huge disappointment. Thus the pressure coming in. I don't believe
that the Cowboys because just who they are. I don't
believe the Steelers because Mike Tomlins had all kinds of
problems and now they have Aaron Rodgers and have just

(01:25:55):
signed TJ. Watt. I think four teams primarily, you hit
it right on the head. Think it's Baltimore, Buffalo, Detroit
and Frisco because people feel like I don't believe in windows,
but a lot of people do feel like their window
is about this wide open right now with Perdy, McCaffrey
and Kittle primarily and Boso.

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
I get into the Lions.

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
But the pressure thing is I think the teams are
in pressure is the one who's the landscape can change
next year. So you look at the Baltimore Ravens. If
they don't win next year, or if they don't win
this year, it's going to be another offseason, a grueling
off season, and this one in twenty twenty six, it

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will be the worst one that they've been through.

Speaker 7 (01:26:41):
This is when you'll start to hear is.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
John Harball the coach, Like that's the kind of stuff
do Sean McDermott and Josh Allen. Yeah, that team will
change their tune to Sean McDermott Like Sean McDermott has
been able to survive because it's quarterback is Josh Allen,
But not after this year. And that's how I look
at it and the Detroit Lions. This is a team
that people believe can really win the Super Bowl this year.

(01:27:04):
They really believe that this team is that good. They
have a team that matches that. They have a system
in play now for the last three years that matches
that energy.

Speaker 7 (01:27:13):
Moves happened in offseason.

Speaker 6 (01:27:14):
A little bit, but you still got the quarterback, you
still got the skills set, You have a bunch of
guys coming back on that defense.

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
You still got some All Pro players on that defense.

Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
If not this year, in which last year you lost
in your first playoff game, the year before the NFC
Championship game, you could talk about what could have been.
You don't know what this window would be. The only
reason I use that it's the quarterback. Jared Goff look
at the contract the way Brad Holmes said he wants
to win. He said, we're gonna win through the draft.
We're not gonna make big moves in the off season. Well,

(01:27:44):
if you didn't make big moves in the off season
this year, with exception of dj Reed and Jared Goffee
your quarterback for the next three years. That window shrinks
because who's the quarterback? Like Baltimore can keep going forever.
Lamar is there, Buffalo you can get rid of. Sean McDermott.
Josh is still there. Into City, can't city.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
Myhome is still there. Jared Golf is the quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:28:04):
He's the quarterback now, like this window works now this
two year whatever it's now.

Speaker 7 (01:28:09):
If you don't win this year, next year is gonna yeah,
kind of like that.

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Speaker 7 (01:31:03):
What up though, Hey it is. I loved Tiger Woods stas.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Come across because it'll blow your mind. They just never
get up.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
I'm still reading this book, man, it's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:31:16):
From ninety seven two thousand and nine, Tiger had a
Cumultuve score of negative one four. Closest person was Phil
Micholson at plus ninety nine.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
That's wild.

Speaker 7 (01:31:27):
That doesn't even say like, that's so mazing.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
Phil Ncholson could play another ten years. It's still not
even catch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Yeah, it's not even cluss.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
That's not that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
It's not even close. It's it's amazing. How much more
dominant he was during his time?

Speaker 7 (01:31:46):
Is he the most dominant athlete ever had?

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
I think he's the most dominant stretch. Now I'm in
the minority here, and I'm okay. I don't think he's
the great skull for of all time. I think Jack
Nicholas is nobody wants, nobody wants more Majorsbody came in
second more often, Nobody came in third more often. But
I would say this Tiger Woods during that stretch was
the most dominant athlete I've ever seen in my life.

(01:32:11):
I mean, nobody's, like I said, even close. Just incredible
what he was able to accomplish. So it's a it's
a fun debate. There's no wrong answer, I might add,
it's just a personal feeling, you know what I mean.
So it's the numbers associated with him and a few others,
but no one's. I mean, it's really rarefied air. You know,

(01:32:34):
those two guys are rarefied air.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
If Tiger would a pat not he won't do it now,
but if he would pass, I think what Jackson at seventeen,
Tigers at fourteen or fifteen terms of uh majors, it's
like he's like two or three behind or something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
He's one major behind him, I believe.

Speaker 7 (01:32:51):
And that one win keeps Jack ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
No, I said most second times, most third time, Like
Jack Nicholas's first one hundred tournaments he finished in the
top three forty five times. That's that's stupid. Okay, that's ridiculous,
you know. So, like I said, I don't think there's
a right or wrong answer. It's just my opinion. I
think it's really close. But just to watch Tiger Woods.

(01:33:16):
I don't think I've ever seen you know, Jordan during
that stretch, Gretzky winning m vps eight out of nine years,
which is stupid. That never happens in any sport. Those
are the most dominant athletes of my life.

Speaker 7 (01:33:30):
Are you Kareem over Jordan?

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
That's a really good question.

Speaker 7 (01:33:35):
That's what it seems like with Jack and Tiger.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Yeah, so I'm I'm a I'm a big believer that
Bill Russell is the greatest champion of all time. All right, coach,
correct Kareem. You know, they're they're different players. You know,
Michael Jordan's the most athletic. I would go Michael Jordan,
then Kobe Bryant in terms of athleticism.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Yeah, I love love Kobe Bryan.

Speaker 7 (01:34:01):
Me too, so he Those are those are great.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Those are great debates. You know. I love hearing people's
opinion on it. I don't believe you you go to
the layup no pun intended of oh to Jordan or
Lebron James, Like, there's a lot of ground. I think
doctor j is underrated, way thank you, way under.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Like, but but Ricky, in fairness, I'll call myself out
I hope you call yourself out. We all do it.
We're all caught up in in the here and now.
Whoever you watch growing up, Like like I love when
Braylan brought up Harold Carmichael. Harold Carmichael was a son
of a bitch. He was unbelievable how good he was.

(01:34:46):
And Ron and Ron Jaworski's throwing in the football, Okay,
he was so good. He sure, he's six sevenbody, used
his height to his vangs. He's still he still got
it done. We forget about great players of the past
because we are constantly fed, bigger, stronger, faster. Oh okay,
so all these guys playing today are better than Willie

(01:35:06):
May's I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (01:35:08):
I remember, Brayley, you were saying that when you came
back from the golf outing the Joey Harrson thing, there
was players that not you forgot about, but players like
you almost forgot how great they were in college because
simply because it's been so long.

Speaker 6 (01:35:20):
Yeah, like that NFL, that professional level like that now
gives you married for the collegiate level.

Speaker 7 (01:35:26):
Like if you ball and on All.

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
American or you can even win the Maxwell, you can
win the Davy O'Brien.

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
You can win whatever award is.

Speaker 6 (01:35:32):
If you don't have that success in the NFL, you're
forgotten about. I was out there with Air Crouch, no
NFL resume. I was out there with Johanna Carter. First
game against the Detroit Lions, he's playing for the Bengals,
he tears the acl at Pinek Silver. So it's almost like, oh, yeah,
I kind of remember that name. What car one of
the best running backs of all times at the collegiate level.

Speaker 7 (01:35:53):
Well, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
About Charles White's a good one. Charles White was so
good at ushit. He was, but he wasn't a great
pro Percy Snow was a hell of a linebacker at
Michigan State. All right, Buckus Award winner Chris Claiborne, who
was a Lion's draft back. I loved when they drafted him.
Really good at USC, not very good in the pros.

Speaker 7 (01:36:12):
He was on it. He was funny. My day used
to buy the Milkiper Blue Book. Yeah, so that was
one of my dreams to be on the blue book.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
Chris Claybourne was on the blue Book the very first
issue I saw.

Speaker 7 (01:36:22):
He was out of the USC. That blue book that
was the bible back then.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yeah, I'll tell you who gets really almost forgotten. We
talked about this earlier in the week about running backs,
and then we'll dive into something else here. But O. J.
Simpson was so smooth like glid and sure he was
behind Reggie McIntyre, Reggie McKenzie, excuse Reggie McKenzie and a

(01:36:46):
few others who were really good at the laure there
weren't that I mean back then, and it was more
of a running backs game, I know, and Joe Ferguson
had a really good arm later came to the to
the Lions, but there was not you know, they were
not a great team by any stretch.

Speaker 6 (01:37:04):
Fourteen games, he had two fifty six yards.

Speaker 7 (01:37:07):
You can stop there, exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
Isn't nothing else to talk about great call fourteen games
fifty six yards?

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
So running backs are running back is a strength of
the Lions, There's no question. Would you consider it the
strongest position on this team?

Speaker 7 (01:37:21):
Not anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Okay, what used to be was the offensive line. Yeah,
none of us would say that the Lions' strength is
the offensive line. Unfortunately, not going into this year. I
hope it is by the end of the year. But Noah,
it would say that mine is the secondary. First of all,
I love the safeties, two top five states safeties in

(01:37:42):
the NFL, Kirby Joseph and Brian Branch. I'm a huge
DJ Reid guy. I think he's really good and I'm
a big believer that Terry arn Arnold is going to
have a really good year. Okay, So I think the
strength of the Lions for the first time in my life,
it is the secondary. It's one of those positions. Brailan,

(01:38:02):
you know this. We have constantly hammered we need a cornerback.
We need a cornerback. I think you got two ones,
and you definitely got two ones at the safety position.

Speaker 7 (01:38:13):
I want to argue you so bad and I want
to go on the opposite side.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
I can't stand the secondary as it relates to conversations
on who's better the wide receivers or the secondary. It's
one of the age old back and forth. But there's
really no there's no argument. Look, I like Patrick, I
like what Tim Patrick does. A'mar ros Saint Brown is
He's one of five right now in the NFL. I
made that clear to you, guys. I'll say it again.
He's one of five right now, and Jame one has

(01:38:36):
the potential to be the best number and let me
not say that he's got the pictures to be really good.
You can figure that out, but you can't argue what
it already is. Brian Branch is the top three dB
safety in this league currently and that's not up for debate.
Kirby Joseph is the top five safety in this league.
That's not up for debate. So right there, you got
a pretty good start.

Speaker 7 (01:38:55):
Then dj Reed, we know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:56):
What he was able to do for the Jets, opposite
the Sauce Gardner who just became the highest paid dB able.

Speaker 16 (01:39:02):
Someone say he was better than Sauce card he he
was last year and the year before the first year
when Sauce came up, it was magic, and even the
second year of Sauce was a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
We rooted for Sauce because he's a detroiter.

Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
Dj Reed was better last year the other two years
Sauce dj Reed, I've seen him lock down some number one.
I've seen some wide receivers struggle with dj Reed.

Speaker 7 (01:39:24):
I saw Tarik Hill struggle with dj Reed.

Speaker 6 (01:39:27):
I saw some other So now you got another guy
on the opposite side from Alabama that we believe to
be a little bit better than the record show last
year in terms of the past and inferences and Terry
and Arnold.

Speaker 7 (01:39:39):
You got four guys.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
You got four dudes that I would love to play with,
Like if I was in the NFL. You're like, yo,
this is gonna be your secondary. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
We got Kirby, got Branch from Alabama. So I think
that is them and the catalysts and the leader. Although
Kirby is the one that gets to you know, the
interception and the big plays on the island, and he's

(01:40:02):
the one with the mouth. Brian Branch is your best
player right now, to be honest, Brian Branch is your
best player on defense.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Yeah, yeah, he is arguably best player overall. Sewell is
in that conversation. Of course, Jamior Gibbs and Aiden Hutchinson
when he's healthy. I don't want to go to hyperbolic here,
and I get caught up in certain guys and I'm
not trying to compare him, but three of the greatest

(01:40:30):
defensive backs in the history of the sport. We're able
to make the transition from corner to safety. Mel Blunt
Pittsburgh Woodson, Charles Woodson and Woodson and Ronnie Lott as
well as as well as Rod Woodson, who played.

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
Most underrated defensive back of ball.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Oh my good. I had the good privilege of working
with him a couple of games for Big ten Network.
Really enjoyed it. But those four guys, and I don't
know if people know who they are. I'm sure everybody
knows who Charles Woodson are, mel Blanc. They were corners
and they moved to safety. They were as good as
safety as they were at corner. They were as good
a corner as they were at safety. Brian Branch doesn't

(01:41:09):
have that type of resume yet, but the transition in
which he's made so seamlessly, it's really impressive.

Speaker 7 (01:41:16):
Yeah, but see, I disagree right now.

Speaker 6 (01:41:18):
Like the big knock on Brian Branch coming out is
that he lacked the speed to be an actual cover corner.
He lacked the speed to be a cover corner. If
you put him in space, he would get exposed a
little bit. And even in the slot with a lot
of these faster corners, Brian Branch led the league as
safety in terms of the percentages of covering white House
and the safety position that he had the highest ranking.

Speaker 7 (01:41:40):
I don't know what it's called. I'll get back to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
You Football Focus rating, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
Or one of those he had the highest rating. The
thing that they said he couldn't do, he's shown you.
He's been outside on the island with wide receivers. He's
been outside on the island with tighty ends. He's lockdown
receivers on the inside. He's made pivotal players, and he's
been able to track past his while end coverage, which
is what they said he couldn't do, which is why
he went the second round. He's done all that in
three years and gotten better and shown he might have

(01:42:07):
someone that Ronnie Lott year one year, two dB skills
about him. Brian brands he's official.

Speaker 7 (01:42:14):
I watched that man.

Speaker 6 (01:42:14):
He can play the cornerback position and he is a
very reactionary, but also he knows what to be, which
means he's watching film.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Not many guys hit harder than Ronnie Lott. If Brian
Branch even gets close to that realm Lions fans will
be thrilled. You've been in closed door meetings before. Did
you see the story about Joel embiid? No, so Joel Embiid.
They had a closed door meeting a year ago. He said,
I'm not doing closed door meetings anymore because somebody leaked

(01:42:44):
what took place in the closed door meetings, and he
came out and publicly said, you know that whoever did
it is a piece of blank So he says, that
goes back to the trust thing. Once you cross that,
you can't expect to me part of a team meeting ever. Again,
That's just not going to happen. I'm not a huge

(01:43:04):
Joel Embiid fan.

Speaker 7 (01:43:05):
Why they haven't closed meaning anyway, but Philly just give
it up. They don't even need, they don't care. What
can come of a closed door meeting in Philadelphia. I
don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Perhaps a dirty laundry the rumor was, or the story was,
the belief was that Tyree Maxie called him out for
being tardy to a lot of events, games, practices, whatever
the case may be. I don't want to dive into
their dirty laundry. You know, Tyree Maxy's I think a
really good player, you know, maybe didn't have the type
year you expected him out of last year. Joel Embiid

(01:43:40):
can't seem to stay healthy. But I digress but he
played him. What is what is sacred in sports that
you cannot cross the line.

Speaker 7 (01:43:47):
With locker room stuff like the locker room, locker room conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:43:52):
That's why when when Abe got in trouble when he
was last year in Pittsburgh with the playoff game and
he faced space stream like that.

Speaker 7 (01:44:02):
That is absolute no, no, Like I'm not that old.

Speaker 6 (01:44:04):
I played in I played in the league when you
had phones, camera, phones that had social media.

Speaker 7 (01:44:09):
I had all that had relaxed. We that was that's sacred.
Locker room like that locker room is sacred.

Speaker 6 (01:44:18):
A lot of things happened in that locker room, and
you deal with I'll give you.

Speaker 7 (01:44:22):
I won't tell your team, I won't tell your city.
I just tell your story.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
I was in blank and a particular excuse me, a
particular player on the team at the time, had gone
out after curfew, Saturday, gone on after curfew, stayed out, and.

Speaker 7 (01:44:39):
Then when he came back, he came back with a female.

Speaker 6 (01:44:42):
To his room, which I at least get another room
on a different floor.

Speaker 7 (01:44:46):
I didn't get it.

Speaker 6 (01:44:47):
Came back, coach was waiting for him.

Speaker 7 (01:44:53):
A whole little blue or whatever. Coach came to us.

Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
It was five players he came to and he said, hey,
look what should be You know this.

Speaker 7 (01:45:02):
Keep in mind, he's married. He's married. Story never got out,
story never got out. His wife never found out.

Speaker 6 (01:45:12):
She never found out, well maybe, but she didn't find
out from us, and never got talked about around people,
never got talked about in the media. The media never
bought it up, never came up. Only a select only
a select five players.

Speaker 11 (01:45:26):
Dow.

Speaker 6 (01:45:26):
We told other players on the team, but we once again,
it's still stayed within ITOD for you guys. That's how
it's supposed to be like that is that is the
relationship that you're supposed to have with guys on the team.
You can't let team business get out because once you
do that, it fractures that trust.

Speaker 7 (01:45:42):
And now you know what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:45:44):
Fifty three guys become one one one one, because now
I know if this is what the team is, there's
no trust, like there's no vibe here. All right, I'm
off for self. I'm coming to work. I got none
to say to anybody.

Speaker 7 (01:45:57):
I'm a dude.

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
I'm supposed to do. Bring my heart, my hard hat,
my lunch pail. Then I'm going home and I'll talk
to my friends from Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Ye'all, what's up?

Speaker 6 (01:46:04):
What's going on in the city. Man, it's new, It's
not as much around here. That's what it becomes if
you don't have to trust.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
What was the conversation between that player and the five
who originally knew shortly thereafter? How did you guys handle
it with him personally?

Speaker 6 (01:46:19):
Don't tell my wife, and please don't not let me start,
because the thing was if he doesn't.

Speaker 7 (01:46:25):
Start, now there's questions why didn't he start?

Speaker 6 (01:46:29):
And those questions have to be answered because the media
has the right to ask that question. His family has
the right to ask that question. So it was a
hefty fine and he got to put on some probationary things.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
So I get the first one, But as a player
and a team leader, why would you lobby for the
second that he just because you didn't want to face
the media or you didn't want to have that player
face to the media. Doesn't there have to be some
repercussions for somebody who broke team curfew and team trust.

Speaker 6 (01:46:57):
There's repercussions of another kind. There's because of a lot
of time I learned this in college. Lloyd would always
do things like the stadium. The stadium was his best
friend at five in the morning. So a lot of
times the guys would get in trouble or do things
like yeah, like we're gonna punish you, but we'll punish
you this way. There were things that we deal with
that player, or that that coach did for that player
that he had to buy and buy and things he

(01:47:18):
had to do like he was in college, but you
try to save his name.

Speaker 7 (01:47:22):
Every team won't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
I'll tell you that very interesting. Every team won't do that.

Speaker 7 (01:47:27):
That's just down the strip club. You've been nice.

Speaker 5 (01:47:31):
Easier said than done well.

Speaker 7 (01:47:33):
The night before a game after curfew.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. In that case, like it's.

Speaker 6 (01:47:36):
Cool to go before curfew, Like we'll go and have
a drink, you know, maybe eat some wings. Shout out, lou,
Will you enjoy some entertainment until eight eight thirty and
he come back for curfew. But you getting back at
twelve in the morning. It lets us know that you
don't really care about the game anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Yeah, it's not like you're taking off the cabo for
crying out loud. You're going out, You're having a drink
with some of.

Speaker 7 (01:48:00):
Your buddies, going to what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Drinks is dangerous, very dangerous, ask Tony Romo. Let's ask uh.
Let's let's look at the chat a little bit. Somebody said, uh,
watching Barry was like watching a torso on legs. They
were not part of the same body. I hate the Niners,
but Ronnie Lott was awesome. Okay, I loved Ronnie Lott.

(01:48:27):
I actually like Martin Hanks. I thought he was really good,
believe it or not. I really like Ken Norton junior.
Jerry Rice was unbelievable, but Joe Montana was my guy.
I'm not gonna sit here and try to convince you
that Jesse Sippolo was the best offensive lineman. But I
liked all those guys.

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
Forty nine is my favorite team of all time, like
they were my team, like my dad played for the Lions.

Speaker 7 (01:48:48):
I'm from Detroit, because why were they wait?

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
Forty Because Jerry Rice is what I got introduced to
and they won winners.

Speaker 7 (01:48:54):
Aren't pilling? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:48:55):
Forty eight When I started watching, Jerry Rice was the
greatest receiverguous football player of all time. And then when
Montana hangs them up, my favorite quarterback of all time.
Players for the forty nine ers and the lefty number eight,
Steve Young. He had warn one of my favorite quarterbacks.
Funny Merton Hanks story.

Speaker 7 (01:49:14):
You know that. You know I used to wear the
wristband around his neck and do the dance.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
He's got a really high necked right. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:49:21):
He had all types of infractions as it relates to
uniform dress code violations that could cost money.

Speaker 7 (01:49:26):
This, that, and the third. Fast forward two thousand and five.

Speaker 6 (01:49:30):
I'm on the field and I'm wearing some Michigan attire
and warm ups, which is illegal.

Speaker 7 (01:49:34):
You gotta wear.

Speaker 6 (01:49:35):
The the NFL assanction stuff which is Reebok at the time.

Speaker 7 (01:49:39):
Guess who comes up to me.

Speaker 6 (01:49:40):
Who's head of uniform proto car freaking Merton Hanks. So,
Murton comes up to you, he said, burdler man, you
know you can't wear that Michigan stuff on side. I said,
I know you're not talking. I said, you, of all people,
Merton Hanks. So I thought that was a funny, full
circle moment.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
That's really good. This is really good too. I could
never root for anyone other than Detroit, but I did.
I did like other players. That's a really good way
to put it. You like certain players. Loved Earl Campbell,
but can't say that. I if they're playing somebody other
than Detroit, I can root for him. Is that okay?
So I can. I can love you Blue. I can

(01:50:19):
root for Dan Pastorini and Mike Renfro and Earl Campbell
and Stan Ewards, right, I can. I can do all that.
Bruce Matthews unbelievable player. I can root for all those guys.
But if they were playing Detroit, absolutely not. But it's
funny because I would want to see them play Detroit.

Speaker 6 (01:50:34):
You know, hey, you call me a hater, like look man,
like if my team at the forty nine ers. In fact,
I rooted for the forty nine Ers against the Lions
at the Silver Dome.

Speaker 7 (01:50:44):
On Monday Night football.

Speaker 6 (01:50:45):
Oh man, when I was pissed, I was like, the
only getting fine Detroit finds a way to beat the
forty nine ers.

Speaker 7 (01:50:51):
So yeah, I was a forty nine Ers guy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
I think the winning, the winning does matter, and I
think that's what's, in addition to all the other things
really thrilling for us in Detroit is that I think
people nationally enjoy watching the Lions. I think they've probably
I don't know if they've enjoyed watching the Tigers so
much just yet, but I think they're getting there. Getting

(01:51:13):
customed the All Star Game sure help getting accustomed to
a lot of the players. And Kate Cunningham, it's hard
not to like him, not just because he's a really
good player, but he's fun to watch. The Lions have
been a fun team to watch over the last two seasons,
for sure, two and a half seasons, and I think
more people. I can imagine a kid in Boise, Idaho,

(01:51:34):
Las Vegas, Nevada, or Los Angeles, California saying, you know what,
I really like watching the Lions. I don't know if
I'm so far yet where I'm their biggest fan or
by a Jersey. But when I go to grade school
and we have this conversation me and my buddies, well
we're on the slide. Yeah, I'm gonna say I like
the Lions.

Speaker 6 (01:51:52):
I think a lot of a lot of the country,
kool A bring a lot of the country is in
love with the Lions. They're in love with the Tigers.
They're in love with the Pistons because they see the
team aspect of it. All three of those teams, even
the Red Wings as well, they haven't made it to
the playoffs, but shout out to our team. They do
play together. They are cohesive. Shout out at Dylan Larkin.
But they love the team aspect. They love watching Zach

(01:52:14):
McKinstry and Carry Carps and Riley Green.

Speaker 7 (01:52:17):
They love the togetherness. They love what the Lions do.
I think nasally though, they start not to like Lions fans.
I think they love the Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Still because they travel so well, or well, they.

Speaker 6 (01:52:28):
Do travel well. We travel extremely well. We have a
we're starting to turn.

Speaker 7 (01:52:33):
Into something like I think Bill's Problem.

Speaker 6 (01:52:36):
Bill's Mafia is the same thing they were when they
first started. People still view them the same way. They're crazy,
but they're crazy to each other, like.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Well, Chiefsheads, Dog Pound. I've been just about every football
stadium in the National Football League. I love the passion
of some of those too. I don't. I'm trying to
figure out why where Detroit fits in and why somebody
outside of trade would think they're annoying.

Speaker 10 (01:53:02):
Well, I know Packers fans think we annoyed, but they've
always felt that way.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Yeah, that's a little different.

Speaker 6 (01:53:07):
I think we have some people within our fan base.
I think that that are dominating the fan base that
are while on the road.

Speaker 9 (01:53:13):
That's what I would say, all right, they.

Speaker 8 (01:53:18):
Take over concourses, the broom dance, the videos are the best.

Speaker 10 (01:53:24):
There is a question in the chat for Braylin and
maybe a think the shows we have. Some people throw
some of these questions in for you guys, like a
little mail bag. But uh, Steve o' baby says Brailan.
How late did you stay up when you were traveling
with the team, and did you bring anything that you
like video games or anything? So they want to know
what those road trips were like for you, brother. You know,

(01:53:46):
make sure what you share is what we can put
on Fox too.

Speaker 6 (01:53:52):
What wouldn't be allowed on Fox too, anything like that.
I could never sleep like I was a guy who
couldn't sleep. I couldn't sleep night before game in college.
I couldn't sleep the night before game in high school.
And I couldn't sleep the night before game in the NFL.
It didn't matter what level I was at, didn't matter
if it was a bad team, it didn't matter if
I was doing good, if I wasn't playing.

Speaker 7 (01:54:11):
I just couldn't sleep. So I would stay up till
three four in.

Speaker 6 (01:54:14):
The morning watching rocky movies or watching something from Sebster
Loan in the eighties that would get me.

Speaker 7 (01:54:20):
Going out for me to sleep.

Speaker 6 (01:54:22):
I was with John Rambo. What you know about that man?
First Blood? First Blood is a low key great movie.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Brian than he First Blood is pretty good too, it is.

Speaker 7 (01:54:33):
But I was the I was the gaming guy.

Speaker 6 (01:54:36):
So I had the portable Sony. This will date me
a little bit and say, PSP, PSP. That's what I
was going at the PSP. But this was you couldn't
do everything on one. Now you get a phone or mac,
you're good. I had the iPad. No, excuse me, I'm
a little ahead of myself. I had the MacBook Pro.
I had a Sony Video. Don't ask why. I had
two laptops. I had three phones. I had a DVD player.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
All before folks, all before NL.

Speaker 7 (01:55:02):
This the NFL, this is the NFL. No, but I
had iPods.

Speaker 6 (01:55:07):
I had all that in my bag, and I would
just go between all of it. In the course of
a night thinking about the game. I could not sleep
at all. It's always nerves.

Speaker 9 (01:55:16):
How were you did you ever get into like the
Madden games and all of that. Did you ever play?

Speaker 7 (01:55:21):
I was I was good Madden O four through Man
O three through five. I was. I was okay, yeah,
I was. I was.

Speaker 6 (01:55:29):
I was good in that realm, but never one of
the best guys on the team. I never could beat
some of my friends, like just put Braiklin out ye
and throw hell marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
So if you're if you're onto all that stuff, your roommate,
what are they doing wearing a mask? You go to
sleep because they've got the bright lights of all the
games you're playing.

Speaker 6 (01:55:46):
I'm also weird and quiet too, so like if when
I know it gets to that space of all right,
well one, I didn't have roommate after the first two years,
but when the roommate, I sit on the other side
of the floor and like having so the lights on
the floor can't really illuminate too bright.

Speaker 7 (01:56:04):
Look, man, you do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Could you not sleep because you couldn't wait for the game,
or just because you were in a hotel or the anxiety.

Speaker 6 (01:56:10):
Of I can see the hotels? It was just because
it was a game, gotcha. I was just the nerves, man,
I was just ready. I'm thinking of all the ways
that it could play out, Like when we run this
play it could go this way, or they could go
this way, or this could happen, or what if you
see this coverage or what if you see that coverage.
I was just thinking of all the ways the game
could play out, you know, playing a game in your
head before you play it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
Some of my favorite stuff in the chat. You know,
people start bringing up, you know, old players that we've
been talking about. It's funny. Somebody said Stabler had an
awesome tight end. Yes, his name is Dave Casper. Okay,
Dave Casper was pretty damn good back in the day. Yeah,
and somebody brought up a really good name. He was
kind of royted out, but he was a little bit
of a Madmanavid Boston, they said, Lyle Alzado, David Boston

(01:56:57):
could fit. I suppose if you'd like it to.

Speaker 6 (01:57:00):
Two hundred and sixty eight wide receiver is nuts. And
by the way, that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Yeah, he was pretty yoked.

Speaker 10 (01:57:06):
Go ahead, Look, I just gotta make sure that we
paid some pay set out to Greg. He says, I
love the kool Aid left, but we gotta pay some
more attention to the chat family as well.

Speaker 9 (01:57:16):
We do have the poll and we got some super chats.

Speaker 10 (01:57:18):
We gotta read before we close up here, he says,
would you pay the Hutchison forty five a mill right
now or wait till next offseason?

Speaker 9 (01:57:24):
That's what we asked the Chat family in the poling.

Speaker 10 (01:57:26):
You know what, fifty three percent of the people actually
agree with Chef and Bray. They would wait right now.
They're not giving them the forty five. So you guys
have swayed him. If they called y'all a hater, then
we got fifty three percent haters in the chat.

Speaker 7 (01:57:39):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:57:40):
But I think that you guys, you guys even swayed
me as relates to Howard.

Speaker 9 (01:57:44):
Look at Hutchison. He's gonna ball out, He's gonna get it.
But we got three super chats in the chat.

Speaker 10 (01:57:49):
Shout out to you guys for supporting the brother that
will show with Chef.

Speaker 7 (01:57:52):
The boys appreciated.

Speaker 10 (01:57:54):
We got four ninety nine super chat from Michigan go.
He says, what are Chef's thoughts on Michigan back bsketball
this upcoming season.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
They're gonna be a preseason top five. I think Dusty
mat is a really good basketball coach. They will be
preseason Big ten favorites. They'll be in the discussion. It's
gonna be a really good season for him at Chrysler Center.

Speaker 10 (01:58:16):
I think, yeah, hey, we got another one for Shep
as well, Dante one five one. He says, I can
finally say this, Welcome to the Woovers sports cruise. Shep
and I have to ask you this, who do you
think is the odds on favorite to win D two
high school football in the state of.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
Mission Gosh digging. I am not gonna lie to you,
all right. I'm not gonna pull any punches. I don't
get ready for those games until maybe a month before
the state championships.

Speaker 9 (01:58:41):
It should be solid though, so well.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
I appreciate it. I've enjoyed it. I've done it for
about thirty years. It's been a great tradition for me.
It's a labor of love. They won't be on the
TV network any longer. I don't know if I'll do
them this year, but I'm not going to try. And
you know it snow job yet. I just I don't
know right now, don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:59:01):
Man, I'm telling you, it's honest. Before you.

Speaker 7 (01:59:05):
Got one more, one more and that's all on. That's fine.

Speaker 6 (01:59:09):
I may have a different position. We were talking about
the best position in Detroit Lions. I think I would
change my tune because I think this is the best
position in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
M I can't think of what you would be referring to.

Speaker 6 (01:59:22):
Maybe Jamiir Gibbs and David Montgomery, the running back was
at the backfield.

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
Yeah, I think it's in the conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:59:29):
Yea was the strongest position on the team.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
And I love Montgomery, I do. I don't think you
should have started the playoff game, but that's a that's
a difference.

Speaker 10 (01:59:39):
Thank you, I think, are you Ricky so we can
call this thing a sweet Yeah, we talked about this
before on the show.

Speaker 7 (01:59:48):
Yeah, Ricky and I did.

Speaker 6 (01:59:50):
We never talked about it with I had that conversation
with everybody, and I will still have it. Them starting
David Montgomery because he was back, and not starting Jamier Gibbs,
who was the hottest player right at the time, that
name sa Kwan Barka, and maybe even including him. I
know that they still got the league. But what happened

(02:00:11):
in this moment is it's a very psychological deal. The
Washington Commanders, they came in the game, they hear all
about how good this offense was, all these record breaking things,
and Ben Jonson and he's this and Jared Goff behind
this offensive lineus pin sewell, you got Jamier's going this
way and Montgomery's going this way and Jamo.

Speaker 7 (02:00:28):
Runs four two.

Speaker 6 (02:00:29):
When they went three and out, the defense of the
Commanders was like, oh, we got these guys. Yes, the
Lions came back and took the league and had the league,
but that defense knew that they could play with that team,
and the offense did a hell of a job and
keeping them off balance from Jaydon Daniels. But that three
and out was the end of the game for me.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
I promise that that is I believe, and this is
this is a good trade. It's fine, But it's Dan
Campbell respecting the veteran is what it is. I don't think,
don't truly do you give him the truth serum, there's
no way he said, Yeah, I think David Montgomery's you know,
he deserves to start because of what he's doing. No,
Jamior Gibb should have started, and Dan Campbell's forgotten more
football than a lover. No, but I think that's a

(02:01:09):
guy who played in the league and said, you know what,
that's a guy who I greatly respect. He's a veteran.
He deserves this moment and it was the wrong moment.
I believe, last one from the Super Chet and then
we'll say goodbye on a Friday afternoon. Hey, yeah, we.

Speaker 9 (02:01:29):
Got one more.

Speaker 10 (02:01:32):
Man, he says, because Lions fans will take shots at
all four sports teams and college teams. I've seen people
use you of them in the Red Wings to trash
Minnesota fans. Thank you guys for the super chats.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Yeah, I really appreciate that. Look, I've been to Minnesota
in all four sports. I don't notice them as being
trashy at all. It's not like certain other markets Chicago,
but I haven't noticed that from Minnesota. In fact, Minnesota
Twins and Minnesota Vikings fans anytime I've gone there and
broadcast have been actually pretty.

Speaker 5 (02:02:05):
Good about school.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Yeah we'll miss you one Monday, but you'll be participating
in a really important.

Speaker 6 (02:02:12):
The Champion Circle Golf Fighting, which is Sharon Moore's Golf Classic.
Last year was the first year, obviously his first year
as the head coach, and then this will be his second.

Speaker 7 (02:02:19):
It's at the.

Speaker 6 (02:02:20):
Cardinal when you talked about I'm gonna actually have kool
Aid or some kool excuse me.

Speaker 7 (02:02:25):
How somebody to come out there. We're gonna get some
sound bites.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
Yeah, and bring some pictures too, will you.

Speaker 7 (02:02:29):
I'll have a ton of pictures.

Speaker 6 (02:02:30):
I have some sound bites for you, have a couple
of interviews, including coach Jerome Good.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
We will talk about that on Tuesday. In the meantime,
we wish you all a very happy weekend. Thanks for
watching the Bringlin Edwards Show here on Woodward Sports Monday
through Friday two till four. Good Afternoon

Speaker 4 (02:02:47):
A network for the city by the city, Woodward Sports
is Detroit Sports.