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December 18, 2025 • 122 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
Bik, we are here on the Brailler Edwards Show. We're
glad you're with us here on Woodward Sports. Glad that
our crew is with us, and of course always fortunate
to have the man to my right, Braylan Edwards. How
you doing man, Hey, quick question for all you guys. Okay,
So my wife's out of town. She tells me that

(01:12):
she's visiting some friends and they love to shop together.
Their ideal day yesterday, three hours, three hours in a
Macy's in Chicago, shopping for Christmas ornaments for three hours,
she said, Then we came home, we had some wine,

(01:35):
we carved up a charcuterie tray, and we just relaxed.
It was really fun. My mind immediately goes, if the
four of us got together and did something like that,
everyone would have to put their man card on the table.
There's no f and way. So what would we do

(01:58):
for three hours watching game? Eat? What will we do afterwards?
Pizza from Buddies, maybe some subs, maybe go to Blackrock whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
But hold on, but where are we Where are we
having this, uh, this meeting if you will, Because if
we're doing it at a gentleman's club, then you know,
I think we can get I think we can get
three hours out of it. I'm just saying I think
we can get. Like, man, this is a good game,
this is a really good game.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I'll be spending a little bit more money. Okay, then
that would be if she was shopping for Christmas ornaments.
You know what I'm saying. What I mean, what will
the equivalent to that for guys.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Going to a game? I think going to a game
watching a game, because if you watch a game, you
go to a bar game, what game are you watching?
A basketball game? Basketball games aren't that long. You get
there fifteen minutes with the game starts, order drink or
some food, catch up. What's the conversation about what's going
on in your work world? Man? Do you believe what's
going on in Detroit? Whether you're talking about whatever franchise

(02:58):
it is. Then you're watching the game. Now you're start
watching the game, you're in the second quarter, get to
watch that halftime, maybe you get your second drinking, et cetera.
And you know you look up in two hours. Hey, man,
I had a good time. Games probably seven minutes lef
and the fourth.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
But you know what's not much but camp golf camp
and kool a golf golf the longest we would take
for them carving up the char couterie, putting all the
different things on it. I love char couterie, by the way,
if somebody else is preparing it, sure, yeah, cheese and crackers,
you know, olives for kool.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Aid, blamy sausages.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, black and yeah, black and greenhouse not the no
offense to kol Aid. But I wouldn't do that. You
guys coming over, well at pizza, will have a sub.
I might grill, okay.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
But we don't. We don't need the same things. We
don't need the same things that they need. Like when
they go out and they go to these places. My
mom does this with her girlfriends. They did back in
the day. You know, you go out to Macy's all right, boom,
Macy's with downtown on Michigan Avenue in Chicago. It's got
everything going for the high holidays. You've got the tree,
the lights, you know, the bulls, all the decorations. So
it's a beautiful site. Then you go on Macy's, you're you're, you're,

(04:07):
you're looking for ornaments in air quotes, you're just talking.
Those women are catching up on a different level, talking
about their TV shows, talking about their kids, talking about
their husbands. Now you know what, they're talking about future
things that they want to do with the house. This
will look good. What do you think about this? Now
you're doing shopping that you don't even need for today.
You have shopping that you don't even need for the
holiday seasons. You're shopping for down the line. So it's

(04:30):
just three hours of stuff that you're not even gonna
buy and then you forget the ornaments.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, and then you you forget the ornaments, and
then or you may buy something for somebody else ornament,
and it's yeah, exactly right. She may buy something for
somebody else and say, you know what, Actually I like that.
I'm gonna give them. I'm gonna go shopping again and
buy them something else because I've actually liked I liked it.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
This is for us.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
When she told me that, I said, can I just
pause for one second? Three hours? Did you really spend
three hours in a Macy's? I in and out in
maybe maybe three minutes. I can't do it, right, I'm two,
eat yours home, right.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
And this day and age is now the only time
I go to Norse rooms or Niemen in one of
the places is if I.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Needs Okay, that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
You know what facts? Yeah, you know, in fact, I
like to look good. I like the way material feels one.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
But yeah, like if you have to go Christmas party
an event and I don't even a ceremony and something
like that, on the fly, I have to go in
those spaces like shut. I can tell you it doesn't
take me longer than fifteen minutes, I can pinpoint pinpoint accuracy.
I'm like, yeah, it's probably gonna be.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Something like this.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Let me get this over here. Yeah, yep, yep. Does
this look okay? All right? Cool? We're good with some shoes,
all right? Cool. I know where to go to get shoes.
So I'm quick, faster than the hurt because I don't
like being out just to be out. It's that was
high school, right, maybe early in the NFL, where I
was just going to be dumb in them all, but
now actually enjoy being home.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Actually a lot of times you enjoy being Last night
kicking back watching the Wings play, got a w A
a really good game for them. Love with the Brinketts done,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Fourth and goals in the lead, buddy, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Twenty Now is a couple of power play tallies last night.
Good for him. Game nine he's got and he's got
eight goals in the last eight games, he's got twelve points.
Sandy Pellica has seven points in seven straight game or
seven points in the last seven games. I mean they're
starting to play better, and Tam McClellan says, I think
we're starting to get it, but you can't. He's you

(06:36):
can't give it back either. From an athlete's mindset standpoint,
you know, where is that? Where is that mentally for you?
When you see this team now forty one points atop
the Atlantic, second best points in the entire Eastern Conference,
they're actually a minus in goals differential, which I find
to be striking. I think they're a minus three. Yeah,

(06:59):
that's very strength. But I thought they played really well
after a slow start. But from a mindset, you know,
when Todd mcclollan was talking about that last night after
the game, I was thinking about you, how do you
keep that mindset of what have I done really well
compared to what I need to work on? Even in victory's.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Understanding where the goal is, like the goal is and
to be first place in December, you know, the goal
is to be first placed in April and May so
that you can, you know, put yourself in good position
for the playoffs. Like that's kind of really the goal.
So this is really good. But I know what my
goal is. I know if I'm the captain Dylan Lark
and I know what we set out to do in
the offseason. I know what we talked about when coach

(07:38):
McCullen came on board. I know what we started to
kind of feel maybe as we got into a rhythm
last year, at least to how he coaches game, how
he calls game, what's expected of us. And I think
now kind of like the Tigers did riding that momentum
coach McClelland not the making the postseason because he didn't,
but riding that momentum to the offseason. I guess maybe
leaning a little bit more into what he was saying

(07:58):
and what he's preaching. I think you look across the
board and even being strike by the minus three, that's
showing you that they're buying in. They bought into who
he is, they bought into what he's teaching. And it's
kind of like, what's his name, Taylor Decker? Remember when
Dan Campbell comes in and Taylor Decker's instantly like, look
when people aren't buying in or they ask him, you're

(08:19):
the resident old guy. You know what do you think?
I don't care. I'm ready to buy into something that
I believe in, you know, And if we got to
bite kneecaps, he was being funny, but I think he's
been serious. If we got to bite kneecaps if we
got to do what he's saying. We are buying into
this because we bought in everything else and it hasn't worked,
and we actually believe in this guy. I think for
the rail Wings, they're buying into what they believed a

(08:39):
little bit at the end of last season.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I love that, and I hope that's true. I think
thirty four games is enough for me. Yeah, Okay, Now
I've been burned. So there's an old song called once
Bitten twice shy. All right, So I've been burned. I've
been burned by the Tigers last year, and I was
burned by the Lions this year. Yeah, four and one.
After a four and one start, I said, yes, you've

(09:04):
got me, all right. I don't want to be burned again.
But thirty four games is a long enough stretch for
me in an eighty two game slate to believe this
team can get it done. Here's my concern. If you
bear with me, forty one points, thirty five points, Toronto's
really talented. Florida's without some really good players. They're really talented.

(09:27):
You're talking about six points, You're talking about three games.
That's all it is. Yeah, all right, and that's the concern.
The difference between the top and the difference between those
who are scuffling to try and make the postseason is minuscule.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, I mean that sucks because you know that sucks
wrong twice words, and that is interesting because you know Florida,
all they do is win and the words of Rick
Ross and DJ Kaller, all they do is win, and
they find themselves at the end of every season, they
find themselves in that spot, whether it's the one spot,
the two spot, they find themselves somewhere right there. And in
Toronto was always going to be five or six like

(10:03):
every single year. Those are really good teams. Kids just
not worried about that man whatever was working for the
Detroit Red Wings right now. They got to stick with
that sauce because that seek ingredients working. You watch them,
they be more physical, they're block and more they're protecting
and that a lot better and they're just faster. They're
playing with the temple and the pace that you know,
even for novices like myself, you can watch when I

(10:24):
was there watching against the Bruins, the hockey that I
did watch, so I saw him faster, I saw him
more aggressive. I saw him physical. I saw him being
more intentional. I saw less mistakes, I saw less penalty
So I've seen a better brand of hockey even with.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
My Yeah, I agree. I mean their puck retrievals really impressive.
Their puck possession in the offensive zone was really impressive
last night in the second and third period. Cam and
I were talking about this yesterday and I was worried
about this.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Can't microphone work? That doesn't work?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Do you have only only when he's talking about olive loaf?

Speaker 6 (10:58):
This is true, that's stay over.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
The actually works.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Hey, hey, don't don't forget about the Krispy spam.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
The Krispy spam, I apologize. Yeah, so that's those two
times it's worked. Force. But we were talking and I
was down on John Gibson. He said, yeah, but shep
he's won five in a row, and now he's won
six in a row. Now he wasn't tested a lot.
Sixteen saves on eighteen shots, but still it's a win. Well,
you know, I've got to understand that. Hey, listen, Guys
can get better, Guys can change during the season. Just

(11:24):
because I didn't see it early on in his you know,
first eight Stars or whatever, doesn't mean that he can't
fix the problem. The deeper the problem goes into a season,
the more concerns you. I love this from Johnny, says Shep.
There's also a song called dream On, which is a good,
good one by Eric Aerosmith. Yeah, well done, all right,

(11:45):
way to go, Steven Tyler. But but yes, by the way,
did you what you say as magic? Really?

Speaker 4 (11:54):
I like, I've always liked the song. So it wasn't
like I was, you know, I was going and I
was being introduced to the song. Yeah, he went to
the counts. They were like, oh yeah, I rock with arrows,
the rock with the song and.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It was Eli, Were you the only black guy there?

Speaker 7 (12:07):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (12:10):
It was some old black guys rockers.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I prefer toys in the attic. But whatever, Look, that's
really cool that you did that. But yeah, John Gibson,
John Gibson was really good last night. I do wonder
why we talk so much about the other first place
teams Pistons, Well, Tigers last year, Lions last year, red

(12:36):
Wings haven't given us a reason to really talk about
them much this year. They in a positive light this
year they have, and not enough people I think bring
them up and I wonder why that is.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I was ready fire, I had one and you know what,
go ahead.

Speaker 8 (12:52):
No, I was gonna say, you know what, wife and
I we got to watch the Red Wings come back
last night.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
As soon as we walked in. They scored a goal
in the third quarter. Rat Blackrock. That's what we watch
so nice.

Speaker 8 (13:02):
We think that Blackrock has something too, But uh, you
know what, I think it was going back to last
year when you saw them kind of start off pretty
good and then fade off and lose that thing late.
I wonder if some people are just waiting for them
to punch their ticket to the playoffs first and then
they're gonna be all the way on. I get it,
but I gotta be honest with you. It's it's exhilarating

(13:23):
when you sit down, you're watching your squad and you're realizing, Yo,
they're one of those teams. And so I wonder how
many people actually realize how real the Red Wings are.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Right, Yeah, I think it's a comfortability factor. I don't
think they've done it long enough for us to feel comfortable,
whereas with the Pistons they jump out to that massive
right after.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
Making the playoffs last year.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, Yeah, what do you think so, Brailan, it's exactly cool.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
They said, I knew, he knew we were only gonna
be on the same wavelength on that. But I think
it's because of this. The rail Wings have done this
to us for the last four years. They've done it
to us where it's like, hey, they lead us up,
they play really good hockey, and then they have that
dip in their right when it matters, and then they're
never able to recover from that dip. They did it
in twenty one, they did it in twenty two, or excuse me,

(14:07):
twenty two, twenty three, twenty four. They've done it the
last three years in a row, and the Red Wings
and not last season the season before. I've never I
have never as a strong as a stupid world. I
have not seen the Red Wings fans, the city of
Detroit being electric as it relates to the Red Wings
at that time of the year, waiting for them. Is
it gonna be us? Is it gonna be the Islander?

(14:29):
Is it gonna be the Caps? And I remember that energy,
and then what happens We don't make the playoffs, and
then last year you don't make the playoffs. So the
fans are like, yeah, we get it, they're close. Meanwhile,
the Tigers, they did the end unthinkable two seasons ago
and made the playoffs, and how did they follow it up? Well,
they led the al for the majority of the season

(14:49):
and they got in the postseason again. The Lions. Once
the Lions got rocking and rolling in twenty twenty two,
where you win the last eight or eight games, eight
of the last ten games you win almost make the dance.
Do you followed up second in the NFC? How you
followed up first in the NFC fifteen wins last season?
So I think. And then the Pistons. Pistons did what
they did last year and although it was one season,

(15:11):
they got in the dance and gave you a moment.
They bought fans to the playoffs at LCA against the
Knicks and went seven. So I think in all the
other three sports, it's like, no, we've seen it. We
have that track record. Like you said, it's comfortable and familiar.
With the Red Wings, it's like we're still holding on
to what was hoping it can become what is.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, that's a great point, especially in March right when
when you see this team looks like they're going to
make the playoffs. Looks like that nine year drought is over.
And then two years done on the toilet.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Two years ago broke red Wings fans hard. Yes, because
I was one of the ones that had come back
to the place where you're like, oh, this is real,
I'm feeling the energy. And then it didn't happen, and
it was like, wait, we're not going to make the postseason,
so now we have to try to start over again
for the seventh time.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
At that time, yeah, and then last year you're thinking, Okay,
what did you learn from the year before, and you
felt like it was nothing. And then this year, you know,
they start with a loss, but then they reeled off
five wins. Okay, and I think what happens? And somebody
put this in the chat, and it's well said, people
are looking for sustainability, and that's fair. It is very fair.
Is this team sustainable? It's a really good question. Remember

(16:20):
they went through a couple of losing droughts. They went
through a three game losing streak where they were outscored,
tended to they go through a four game losing streak,
but they have bounced back and then they just went
on the road and I get it. Calgary's not really good.
I understand that Edmonton is, and you lost to them.
Chicago's not very good now and you beat them. Going
six one and two over your last nine games shows

(16:43):
at least an inkling of sustainability. I don't know how
long you have to show me that you're sustainable in
order for me to be convinced, but I do like
where they're at.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Just give me a moment. I think that's what it is.
Just give me a moment. After twenty twenty, people believe,
they don't care what they can't see. They believe in
exactly what they can see. I want to see. I
want to know what's sustainable. If I see it, I
can believe in and I can trust it with some consistency,
Like just give me a moment, Like don't give me
the moment where we almost got there and we fall
to a couple years in a row, and now you're
selling me on the potential for what could be. I
don't want patience like twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six

(17:14):
in a couple of days and nobody cares about patients,
especially when I see teams one of which you own
as well. Turn it around turn it around fast and
then give me something to believe in, make me be
a believer of the team for more than a month
or a period.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, it's a good poison song, something to believe in.
Here's the other thing I think that a lot of
people are looking for, and that is they're trying to
buy into a team that they don't feel has a star.
So the reason a lot of people will buy into
the Pistons, how do you not buy indicate I'm serious.
I mean, he's a superstar. He's one of the best
players on the planet, all right, and he's ours.

Speaker 8 (17:51):
Clip that that's fire take right there as well.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
I think I don't think it's unique either. I'm sure
you said it on the Post Game Show a number
of times, Tiger Trek Scuble, he's ours. He's the best
for now. That's a great point, thank you. And he's
the best picture on the planet. The Lions. Hey, we've
got Penney Sewell, We've got Jamior Gibbs, We've got Aiden Hutchinson,
we've got Haman Ross saying brown. We've got stars from

(18:18):
which to choose. With the Red Wings, I think people
are are going, well, am I buying in? When they
don't have Connor McDavid, when they don't have Nathan McKinnon,
when they don't have a certain player that you're like, wow,
that guy, conn Connor Bdard thousand points, that was the point,

(18:39):
thousand goals would be on the leaving But yeah, yeah, no,
you're right, Leon drive title with Connor McDavid. Good job
knowing that of the thousand points and the big celebration afterwards.
So I think that's that's part of it. Am I
wrong there?

Speaker 6 (18:51):
I was gonna say.

Speaker 8 (18:52):
I think sometimes we even hear about well, you know,
we got this player x Y or Z down in
with the Grand Rapid Griffins. It's always about something that
you don't have.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
And I think you're right.

Speaker 8 (19:02):
I believe people wanted Dylan Larkin to step into a
star role. I think people are very very high on
what most Cider and Lucas Raymond can be. But you're
right that high level, top end. I'm going out there
and I'm gonna be a problem all night. I feel
like we haven't seen that in I don't know, decade,
decade and a half.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
I love my school, I love the University of Michigan,
and by extent, I love Dylan Larkin. But I think
what fans are with Larkin. Great leader, great captain, but
he's played enough hockey to where you know what, you know,
you know where the ceiling is.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
You know that he's not.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Going to turn into all of a sudden, this goal
scoring machine. He's not going to turn into this points
machine all of a sudden, And now be the guy
that you're like, Okay, we'll be good tonight because we
have Dylan Larkin. He's a guy you can win with.
He's not I mean, hockey's different, it's four lines, etc.
But he's one of those guys. It's a damn good leader.
But you want him to be something that he's not.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, I think a lot of people would love him
to be. Obviously, who wouldn't want one of their players
to be Connor McDavid or Nathan McKinnon or Austin Matthews
or somebody like that. Trying to adjust and admit I
like Dylan Larkin a lot, and I know you do too,
And I think he's You're right. I think he's a
really good leader. I didn't have a problem what he
said last year about the trade deadline because it's one

(20:20):
of a lot of people were thinking, okay, but he's
also a guy who is very good at making others
around him better. Alex to brink it last night and
Alex to brink it in case you haven't watched him much.
The twenty goals, as Braylin said, fourth most in the NHL,
kudos to him. His shots are on net, man, I mean,

(20:42):
you can take shots all you want. Oh, that one's
off the dasher, you know what I mean, that's off
the end boards. I want shots on net. His shots
find the net and sometimes they get saved by the
opposing goalie. And last night Sorokum was really good, but
his shots are on net. I think he's becoming even better,
even though he was really good private prior to coming
to Detroit.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
I'm asking his question as relates to Alex the brinking
watching the hockey players right now. These guys are playing hard,
they're going at it earlier in the year. How much
of that do you think predicated because they want to
represent their team in the Worlds this year?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, I bet you that's part of it. Yeah, adds
value to it. Yeah, I think you're right. I didn't
I never thought of that. I you know, I listened
to the Ku Chuck podcast earlier this year, and they
were raving about Dylan Larkin that they didn't appreciate him
until he was on their team. That could be Alex D. Brinkett.
Here's the difference.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
It was different seeing them with a different level.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Of players, right, it was, I wasn't it. I agree,
that's well said.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
As good as anybody there, Yeah, he really was.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I think the difference with the Brinkett is, with all
due respect, he's not as responsible defensively. Dylan Larkin plays
two hundred feet. You need your centers to play two
hundred feet. It's end board to end, it's blue line
to blue line, whatever you want to say. He is
as responsible as center. Now, he's not as gifted a
scorer as the elite centers in the world, but and

(22:12):
you know, coming back and being responsible defensively and being
a guy who's willing to backcheck, there's not many better
in that regard than Dylan whte.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
You can get it there fast too. He was like,
oh my god, All Star Game leader for a couple
of years.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, no question, beautiful Scar speaking of hockey, a guy
two hundred feet, I'm still there. Yeah, do that two
hundred feet speaking of hockey and speaking of your alma manter,
one of the best players Michigan has had in recent
years and really all the time is Quinn Hughes. Quinn
Hughes is the second best defenseman in the world, cal
mccarr's the first. He was traded over the weekend from

(22:51):
Vancouver to Minnesota. And I wanted the Red Wings in
on that, like nobody's business, because I think he would
be It would help you become even more elite. You
and I were talking with Darren McCarty about this the
other day, it was late last week, and we said,
would you trade for him? He goes, hell, yeah, trade
for him? Yeah, okay, because he is he is an
elite player's an elite skater. He finds ways to use

(23:14):
the puck and use his body and use his stick
and use the boards. He's phenomenal. But he goes to
Minnesota for a heavy price, all right. And there was
a lot of people taking shots at the Red Wings
when Quinn Hughes met with the media for the first time,
and basically what he said is Bill Garan, who's the
general manager by the way of Team USA in the

(23:36):
World Cup, but also he is the general manager of
the Minnesota whil.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
It's a smart move.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, exactly, it is a smart move. Quinn Hughes was
hurt last year for Team USA.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
He had to make sure he was on it this year.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, he's definitely on it. So he was on it
last year, but got heard he'll be on it again
this year because he's one of the best defensemen in
the world. But Quinn Hughes basically saying, hey, listen, he
took the guts to trade for me number one and
number two. He says, I wanted to be someplace closer
to Michigan. Now he's not from Michigan, but he went
to Michigan. He played at the national team development program

(24:08):
in Plymouth, which is a huge difference maker in USA hockey.
It's why this country is one of the best in
the sport. My question would be, do you think he's
a guy who is holding it against the Red Wings
and Steve Eiserman because they didn't put together a package
similar to what yes, I said, package similar to what
Vancouver did, where Vancouver gave up an awful lot for him,

(24:31):
gave up an elite defenseman and gave up to one
specifically high scoring forward.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Uh, yeah. The exact where he used was sack up,
which I thought was he said it on two occasions
about the interview.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Said that's a hockey term for sure.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, you know, he was a little bit tired about it.
He and Dylon lark And work out in the off
season together. I think their friends. There was also a
conversation had with he and you know, front office for
the Rams. I think that maybe he thought there was
a chance that he can go there and played down
the street from the crib like Yost's down the street
from LCA. Maybe they're that element too, But I just
think he thought he saw where the rail Wings were
they could use a guy like him. They need a

(25:06):
guy like him and to rely on. Forgive me for
being ignorant to the situation, what's the young guy for
the rail Wings play the same position? He is not
at all? He is not at all Quinn Hughes.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
No, he is a most siders not kept.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
So I just think that he's letting them know that
I want to be here in a situation where I
want to play for the Detroit Red Wings. I want
to be alongside Didn't Larking and what you guys are building.
I think I was that piece this season and you
didn't make the necessary moves to get me. I just wonder, like,
not necessarily about him? Fine, it didn't happen with him,
But is this a common theme when free agents that

(25:43):
are necessary because the rail Wings have been lacking in
this area that we just talked about it, What do
they need? They need somebody on the opposite of him
that can bunk and score, can go be that guy.
Is this a conversation that free agents are having about
or not free agents players are having.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Do you think players do this? Do you think players
talk the other players who they work out with in
the offseason and say, this is why you'd be a
good fit in my organization. They're basically recruiting them. Well,
driving no problem with right, I'm just saying that's it's
a form of recruitment.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
They do do that for sure, Yes, I said do twice. Yes,
they do that. But also I'm saying more so from
the standpoint that the real Wings front office and they're
not necessarily going out and spinning the bread to give
me anything that you may need to put you over
the top. Maybe that conversation isn't.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So let me put it to you this way. Let
me ask you this. I don't expect you to.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
He went after, there has to be more. Let me
get out of the realm, acting like I know exactly
what I'm talking about. There has to be more this
conversation because the fact that he mentioned twice twice he said, yeah,
you know, I want to be somewhere close to Michigan.
Minnesota ain't close to Michigan's twelve hours drive nine if
you're flying and you go around the edges like, that's
not close. He went out of his way to say

(26:50):
Minnesota is close to Michigan, and sack up and all
these things. So what happened in the conversating between Steve
Eiseman and Quinnyus in his camp because there had to
be something.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Vancouver's or Vancouver. Yeah, and Vancouver, and let's let's be
fair here. Vancouver. So Vancouver gets Marco Rossi. He's a center,
very talented, not super big, but very talented. They've got
They also got zeev Baiume, who is a solid young

(27:20):
defenseman who could be eventually a top pairing defenseman. Okay,
and they got another forward, and I think they got
a first round pick as well. I could be wrong there.
In other words, what the Red Wings would have had
to surrender would be a guy like Casper or Danielson,
probably an Edvonson, and maybe a first round pick. Have

(27:44):
you seen enough of Casper or Danielson or Edvonson for
you to say those three or a combination of those
three would go to Vancouver a team in the West
and lose first round picks for you to get an
elite defenseman for a year. By the way, is the

(28:04):
rest of this year and next year. He's at the
back end of his forty seven million dollar contract. He'll
be a free agent after next year. The belief is
that this is from Elliott Friedman, who's as in tune
with hockey as anybody else that you could possibly think of.
The belief was that Detroit didn't want to part with
Simon Edvanson, and that Quinn Hughes would not sign a

(28:26):
long term deal even if he was traded to a
team of his wishes, gotcha. So knowing that, putting that
all together, and I don't think, with all due respect
to those forwards, I don't think Casper or Danielson is untouchable. Edvonson,
even Quinn Hughes is better the thing that would concern me.
It's not the money. The thing that would concern me

(28:48):
is you're not gonna sign with me long term. It's
the schoobl situation. You guys, you're not gonna sign with
me long term. I'm getting you. I'm getting rid of
three young players, good young players for an elite defense
who I'm not guaranteed to have passed next year. That
would scare the hell out of me.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Fair enough, fair enough. I just hope this isn't the
same with Rare Holmes when he's looking at free agency,
pull the trigger. I'm just joking.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, but I understand where you're coming from, because it
seems like correct me if I'm wrong here. The general
managers in this town, how shall they put this, are
very cautious. Yeah, two cautious, very cautious. Now it's easy
for me to say they should be risk takers because

(29:32):
it's not my neck on the chopping block, it's not
my reputation there. But sometimes something's got to be done.
Sometimes you feel a shake up needs to take place,
if not for the fan base, for the locker room itself.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yeah, I would say you can, you can maybe leave
Treys and Langdon on it just for this year, because
he's had one year and it just too So if
you want to leave him out it and that's fine
with the other ones. I think like this, to get
something you've never had, you got to do something you've
never done and obviously rare wings of one Stanley Cup before,
not with this regime, not with this coach, not with
these players. The same for Sky Harris and his ball club,

(30:05):
and the same for Dan Campbell and the Lions. Sometimes
you gotta have another move. Sometimes you gotta do you
know what, We've been doing it this way, it's been
working for it's just fine, but maybe there's just maybe
we can tweak it a little bit. Maybe we can
do this. So that would be the conversation for the
other three tracing You're fine for not for.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Not good stuff. Always welcome that. In the In the chat,
a lot of people were talking that they said, you
mean Minnesota. I think we said Minnesota. Did I did
I say an incorrect team? I thought I said Minnesota
the Minnesota, while.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
I believe we did. But if we did, hey, okay.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, I was saying he was traded from Vancouver to Minnesota.
I hope I explained that maybe I didn't smash that
like button. For sure, people are talking about Trevor lindon
team of Slane.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
I get all that, Tamo love playing with him on
NHL Live.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, that's a good Paul career game.

Speaker 9 (31:01):
R J.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Graham says Larkin is a goal scoring machine. He scores
almost every game. He is the captain. Well, we know
he's the captain, and like we said, we like him
a lot, but to call him a goal scoring machine
might be a little bit of a stretch.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
But you know what, though, I appreciate that. Common reason
why I appreciate that common because you got those in
the chat standing up for the Red Wings. You know what,
shout out, shout out to you stand up for your
number one plays Detroit Red Wings right now, you know
what shep shame on you. How dare you talking about
him not scoring goal? He is a goal scoring machine.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
You heard it, and we do got to pull up
right now.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I do like him, he's but the career high thirty
three goals. That's not a goal scoring machine. So someplaces,
maybe on a team that doesn't score a lot of goals.
I mean, I mean, I'm not knocking Dylan Lark and
I like Dylan Lark and I think he's awesome. I'm
glad he's on the Red Wings. I'm glad he's the captain.
I think he deserves all of that. I just don't
I wouldn't tab him as a goal scoring What it's unbelievable,

(32:00):
is I guess Cunningham. Okay, you talked about you said
he got five turnovers? Did he not have the five turnovers?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Are wrong?

Speaker 4 (32:07):
There?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Sorry? Go ahead? Things, yeah can be true.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
I was gonna say this is a good question for
you all two and the people are voting overwhelmingly in
favor of Dylan Larkin. Which Detroit Red Wing do you
consider a star? Most Lucas Raymond, most Cider there they
each have fifteen and then Dee was other put it
in the chat and I've seen the Brincat's name pop up.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah, Dylan Lark is definitely your star. And I don't
think either one of us are saying he's not a star.
He's the star. Like he's done stars type of things.
He's led this team, he's been the Phase four NHL team,
Detroit wid Wings. You saw what he did in the
World Cup last year. I mean, excuse me, what was
that game called the Game, the.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
World, the U season.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
They the Four Nations.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Yo, I'm sorry, yeah, appreciate you, the four Nations. You
saw how well he played amongst the elites. I want
to be saying he's the All Star. We were just
simply saying, what are we saying.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
We're just saying that he's a guy who fits in
really well with other really good players. Can he carry
a team? It's really hard to do that in hockey. Okay, period.
You can do that in basketball. You can do it
to a certain extent in baseball because if you're the pitcher,
but it's every fifth day.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Or if you judge and even that runs out, and it.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Does run out in the postseason, it's it's really hard
to do it in hockey because, look, a defenseman is
playing man. Twenty seven minutes in a game is a
long It's a lot fairness to you.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Over the years, like when I'm listening to hockey, and
this has been a great conversation hockey, who knew in
fairness to you, you only hear two or three names
a season, like when you're talking about players in hockey.
Like in other sports, there's more hockey, there's only going
to be two, three, max four guys maybe more back
in the day than there is now. Like you're only
going to hear about Conny McDavid, you know, Austin Matthews,

(33:54):
maybe two other guys. Yeah, per year in hockey, So
you're right about that.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, you're I don't. I've never felt like hockey. He
does a really good job of marketing at Stars. And
Nathan McKinnon I think is unruledly he's just yeah, he's
an amazing talent. And look, Maclin Celebrini is really good.
He plays in San Jose and not many people know. Yeah, yeah,
you mentioned Leon dry Sedle who earned his one thousandth

(34:19):
career point last night. How many people are watching Edmonton
on a regular basis? And Leon dry Settle and Connor
McDavid are two of the greatest players in the world
and they're on the same team, right.

Speaker 6 (34:28):
O wish tame he said, Edmonton. Yeah, I'll be tapping
in all the time.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, that's how when Campbell was there the manager.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah. I mean, if I said Nikita kucher Off, how
many people are like, yes, good points, Chop, those are cool.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
Those are cool, right, But Mike g and the chat
he says, something. I wonder how many people feel this way.
He says Kate is a legitimate superstar. Larkin isn't one.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
He's just very very good.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
If I don't want to unlegitimize dealing Larkin, I like
All Star. But Dylan Larkin, by no way, fashion of imagination,
is a player that you listen, what's the number one
trophy for his position?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
You mean you're talking about the Stanley Cup. He has
the MVP TARV Yeah, the con Smike there it is.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Then smile, but he in the playoffs. He's not a
guy that you're thinking about winning the con Smile. Meanwhile,
you're having a conversation where it becoming more and more
valid these day about k Cunnham being you know, top
three four.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
M v P yeah, or the Heart Trophy if you're
winning scoring titles and things of that nature. Again, it's
not a knock on Dylan Larkin, with all due respect
to him, and I don't know how much All Star
mentions matter, but he hasn't won those things. Right now,
he was on Team USA in the Four Nations and
he will be on Team USA again. It tells you

(35:48):
he's one of the better players in America and rightfully. So,
I just don't think he's at the same level of
some of the other guys. And that's okay. You can
still win with guys like Dylan Larkin, Well, yeah, you can't.
Hockey players need help around them, just like football. I
would say it might be the second most team game
in that regard, okay, just because it's so hard to do.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Would you say he's one of the games or NHL's
best leaders.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think so. Yeah. I would also say he's one
of the one of the NHL's best skaters. Okay, it's not.
He's just not a a point producer to the point
of certain other guys. There are certain players who are
measured against others in sports at a certain place in time.
Rarely do you get Ted Williams and Joe Dimagio at

(36:35):
the same time, right, So there are certain guys, so
they're being measured against who. During the Isaiah years, it
was Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan. To a certain extent,
I always felt like Isaiah Thomas had to take a
back seat, unfortunately, and that could be the case for

(36:56):
Dylan Larkin right now. The most points he's ever scored
in his single season is seventy nine points. That's not
gonna cut it. You know what I mean? Guys are
scoring one hundred and one hundred and twenty five points.
We're really good at the sport. That's all good stuff. Appreciating.
In the chat speaking we were talking about kay Kunyan
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we back. Oh look at that back got that logo there, It.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Is the Troy logo on my head. I don't know
this is what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
You know that the logo is simple, but I like it.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Simplicity is is amazing at the time.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that's why you can take the horsehead and just
throw it out the window. I like the simplicity. Yeah,
I know, I know where the place is too. Usually
I scoop it up in the backyard. I have two dogs.
I just scoop it up in the backyard.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
You just kind of do that. I don't know what
that was about.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
There was only one. It was the only one basketball
game there or two basketball one class one right, New York.
The NBA clears to schedule New York beat San Antonio
for the NBA Cup. I'm not even sure people knew
what was taking place. I'm not sure people knew who
was playing in it. The NBA has made this a

(43:02):
big deal. That's fine.

Speaker 6 (43:03):
This is George Blah. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
That's fine, as you know. Yeah, and good for them. Okay,
so the NBA is trying something. Give them credit for
trying something. They don't know what the hell they're doing
with their All Star game, but they're trying something. The
Lakers and Spurs have won it before, and they've hung banners. Now,
keep this in mind, the Lakers have seventeen NBA championships.

(43:31):
They have an NBA Cup that's now up there in
a banner, which makes to me no sense. The Knicks
were celebrating with champagne and all kinds of glee and jubilation.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
They want a game that's fantastic. There wasn't a briallly
nice game. Hey let's get let's swap jerseys. It's popping champagne.
How much of that do you think it was directed
by the league? Do you think players are really buying
into that? And should they celebrate such a quote end
quote accomplishment in the NBA Cup.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I think the players that are celebrating on mocking what
the league has done in terms of making this a
thing into where they're popping champagne in December because you
want to play in or the mid least mid season crisis,
whatever the hell you want to call it it. I
like it from the standpoint what the intention was. The
intention initially was basketball, because remember we talk about like

(44:23):
nobody pays attention to basketball to Christmas. That used to
be the sentiment, like you're not playing attention to Christmas.
And on Christmas, you're paying attention because one is the
best matchups in two, get the best jerseys, you get
the shoes, you get the night, you get the Nike Rush,
you get everything.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
And there was nothing else but Christmas.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
And there was no football, which, by the way, but
you know what NBA is going to actually benefit because
if you look at that football slate now like the
national team, do you care about the Lions and the Vikings?
One team that may not make it and another team
that's not going to matter. Then it's the Chiefs and
another team that may not make it, and it's another game.
So that slate sucks.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
It's football, it doesn't matter. I just say it's gonna
be bad three times over.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Okay, it was intended on getting guys to play harder earlier,
like that's what it was for, because guys were disengaged.
There was no attention to the first three four weeks
month of the season, if you will, Guys don't really
start to here's Christmas, here's a turn up, vout, boom,
let's go, and let's rock and roll into the All
Star Game. Now you get guys finding themselves sooner, better

(45:26):
branded basketball from October to December, and I think that's
what the tournament was for. So from that point, I
like it. From the celebrating and the confetti and to
talk about raising banners, which the Lakers did Lebron and
them which is crazy. And then the Spurs are the Pacers?

Speaker 6 (45:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Who was it was?

Speaker 9 (45:45):
It?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Was it the Pacers.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
I think the Pacers.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
The Pacers, I said, Spurs, my apologies, the.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Pacers did it. At what are we doing? Man? What
are we celebrating? And then you got Steven A. Smith
running around, he's excited. First time they won since nineteen
seventy three? Yeah, willis in class Fraser. They want a
walf rasee excuse they won championships.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Actually celebrated, right, They're not celebrating this like the city,
the franchise, the.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Fan, No, the Knicks fans might, the Knicks fans might.
They don't have much to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I would ask you this. You already know my opinion.
I think they're the most overrated franchise in professional sports.
In professional sports, no offense, camp I don't know about soccer.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
I think they're time. They're tied with their time with
another franchise that has won less trophies than that and
is just as big as that team, not bigger, just
as big. That would be the Chicago Bears. Chicago Bears
live off one Lombardi Trophy in nineteen eighty five, and

(46:45):
you think they have the Cashet, good point of insert
four or five six time winners.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, I think you've made that point to me before.
And Knicks number one, for sure pisses me off that
I've forgotten. Here's what the Knicks have, just so people
are aware. They have two NBA championship.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yep, and they have won back. They won like three
years apart.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
They've won four. They've won four conference titles.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
That's it, that's enough.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
And they've won five five, five division titles. So let
me put that in perspective for you. The Boston Celtics
have won eighteen NBA titles, yeah, eleven conference titles, thirty
five division titles. Yeah, that's Boston, Philadelphia, the Sixers. They've

(47:30):
won three NBA titles, five conference championships, twelve division titles.
A hell of a lot more than New York. You say,
what about Detroit? Okay, Detroit's won three championships, as we know,
they've won five conference titles, more than New York. They've
won fifteen division titles three three times as many as

(47:55):
New York. Miami, Miami, which is an ex fashion team.
Three championships, seven conference titles, sixteen division titles. That is
a lot.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
He's a Hall of He doesn't get the credit.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I agree on even San Antonio, and I know they
had Tim Duncan. I understand all that. Five titles, six
conference championships, twenty two division crowns. So I said to
Cam before the suit, give me the team that you
disrespect or don't respect, not disrespect, but you don't respect.

(48:34):
He said Portland. I said, Okay, let's play that game.
Portland's got one title, New York has two. Portland's got
three conference championships, New York has four. Portland has six
division titles, New York has five. It's not that far off.
And he has no respect for him whatsoever. Give me
the team that you don't have as much respect for

(48:56):
besides Chicago because and they get way too much pub
kool lad. Is there anybody in the NBA, I know
that's where your head is going. Anybody in the NBA.
You could say the Utah Jazz. That would be fine
because they've never won a championship, but they've won a
lot of division titles, and they've gotten to the championship
more recently than New York.

Speaker 8 (49:15):
But go ahead, Oh yeah, no, you're you're one hundred
percent one point here it's the New York Knicks. I
have fought this fight for a long time. I went
to school on the East Coast, so this fight has
been one that I I all the stats, and you
know how story our program is versus the Knicks. Whould
just go off of this hype of what they're supposed
to be every year.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
It's like, no, put them in their place. That's the
one to me.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
It's a media machine. Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
Yeah, that's the one for me.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
How did you stomach that on the East Coast when
they are spewing lies and ridiculous numbers.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
Well, I went to school right after the Pistons won
the championship in a four, So for a year it
was really really, really good and they couldn't really say
much now they it was. It was amazing how many
of those East Coasters became U San Antonio fans the
next year.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
That was wild.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
Man. I remember coming back to school, what happened?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
What happened?

Speaker 6 (50:05):
I'm like, what do you mean what happen?

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Man?

Speaker 8 (50:07):
My squad playing for another chip Man? So you know,
but it was always the New Knicks for me. That's
the team that I just think take them down a
couple of pedestals. I get it the media stuff, but
they're just not it to me.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Braylin's got a good one with the Bears. Is there
anybody else that comes to mind for you?

Speaker 4 (50:24):
I think the Chargers have always gone way too much
love for a team has won nothing Like every time
they have an inkling of something like, people just jump
on the band one. I don't know if it's because
of the cool uniforms, the lightning boats, the light blue,
whatever it is, but the Charges are a team people
of lobby for light excited every year. I like the Charger,
whether it was Philip Rivers, whether it's Justin Herbert, whether

(50:46):
it's insert Stan Humphreys sneak.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
To John Hadel back in the day, people.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Like the Chargers. Like for some I don't know what
the love obsession is with the Chargers, and they're annoying.
Franchise win something.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Something, yeah, wins something and improve it, you know, and
instead of the constant love fest that you get from
a national media.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
So he doesn't hurt. It was the best quarterback the
lead last year, year before that, year before that. I'm exaggerating,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, he's pretty good. I'd like to have him, but
he's not the be all end all. I don't disagree.
He's sure as hell isn't in the MVP conversation. So
anytime I think of this, I immediately do what kool aid does,
and I try to defend our teams, whether it be
Pistons or Wings, or Tigers or Lions. And I have
to check myself because sometimes I will let the emotions

(51:35):
get the best of me in a situation like this.
Am I letting the emotions get the best of me
when it comes to a team like the Knicks, who
are constantly lauded, and I think a lot of it
has to do with because of the other teams within
their city. Rangers legit, okay, Yankees, you better believe they're legit.

(51:57):
Mets not so much, right, fake legit, fake legit, Giants, Jets,
not sure what terrible?

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Yeah, got awful? But you know what too, This funny
thing is, I think there's a lot of ridicule for
the Knicks, like as much as we hate them, because
they're launded with their only two championships and they have
not done as much as people think. The Knicks are
the butt of a lot of jokes. Like their butt
of who they draft and who they didn't pick up,

(52:28):
and what contracts and what coaches they're the jokes of,
you got greats like Charles Oakley who can't even get
into Madison Square Garden because of the current owner. Like
there are a lot of jokes about the Knicks, so
like in the space of yeah, they got way more
credit than they deserve as a as an entirety of
the franchise history. You think Nicks, I think jokes comes

(52:50):
out the gate.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
All right, I probably wouldn't throw the Giants in there.
How many super they got four super Bowls? They they
have four Super Bowls, they've got a le been conference championships,
and they've got sixteen division championships. Giants are legit for sure.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
As I said Dante, it's the Giants are kind of
like Russell Wilson's career. It was like the early Giants
were cooking with grease, and then the Giants up until
even when they won Super Bowls, like if they weren't
winning Super Bowl, they were not making the playoffs, and
then once they won the last Super Bowl twenty eleven,
like they've been a joke.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
They have.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
To your point, they have four or five but for
Super Bowl it's like, yeah, because they won two and
eighties and then seven stepper a couple. Yeah, so you
can't dismiss you can't dismiss there for Super Bowls. But
when you watch how their ownership is, how the ownership
is in terms of Lamar family, how they operate through

(53:49):
Joe Shane, and you just look like the circus that
is the New York Giants over the last fifteen years,
Like it's it's not a good representation of a team
that has four chips.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Agreed. I feel like there's a lot of teams in
the National Football League who we look at and we
find their front office more dysfunctional than any other sports,
any other league that the NFL. It's like, oh my gosh,
we could rattle off a number where you say they
probably need to blow that whole damn thing up, and
the Giants right now are one of them, for sure. Cool, lad,

(54:21):
I'm sorry you were going to say something somebody in
the CHET.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
Oh yeah, people are definitely getting their overrated teams in
the one, he says, the Orlando Magic.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Actually that's a pretty good one. Randall small to.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
What's overrated about Orlando helped me with that one please.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
As a franchise?

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Are they just how are they viewed?

Speaker 6 (54:42):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Are? They? Are they viewed as an elite Eastern Conference
franchise that I'm gonna wear up?

Speaker 6 (54:46):
They seem to always have this hype.

Speaker 8 (54:48):
Every decade they get this weird hype and they never
seem to actually meet it.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Well, I've got a good friend who is I got.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
To the finals, Yeah, got to the finals teams?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Well, I would let me just see this real quick.
I've got a good friend who I work with, who
loves basketball. He he does. He does a show after
Pistons games a lot. He does the show before Pistons
games a lot. He's at every Pistons game. He is
constantly talking about Cad Cunningham. He's constantly defending them.

Speaker 9 (55:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
He was out in college on the East Coast after
the Pistons won. He told me before the season, Orlando
is going to be a problem.

Speaker 8 (55:27):
I thought I thought they would say, I'm just saying
but part of the.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
You know, it's funny though, KLi kool Ai and not
being that honest though, because he you we both said
that Orlando was gonna be I he's picking up grease
and then and then oh, by the way, they added
Desmond Bang.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
They messed with their depth.

Speaker 11 (55:55):
Bad.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
They're struggling, not bad, but they're struggling right now. Yeah, no,
I hit the paces, but yeah, I hate I never
liked the Pacers. Hate the uniform color like I didn't
like Reggie Miller into like I didn't like Reggie Miller into.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
The uniform colors. Your uniform from college.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
It's different. There's yellow and it's dirty yellow, twisted.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
You know what you didn't like. Let's be honest. You
didn't like the stripes. It looks like pajamas. You didn't
like that.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
I actually like some of my favorite uniforms that they had.
Oh okay, the ones they had, the ones like when
jal exactly, I actually liked those. I didn't like the
other stuff, all right, Reggie with the choke or maltains
at the palacey. I guess those were the stripes. Yeah,
I just don't like the paces, all.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Right, cool aid, I'm sorry? Go ahead, Well how would
you how would you describe the Pacers colors? They're kind
of like Mason blue their colors talking.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
About a slack a darker blue. Then there's like a
dirty yellow. Did you like and like, off, way, did.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
You like Charlotte's striped uniforms with Larry Johnson.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
That's demost iconic uniform those in the history of uniform
you're talking about nineteen ninety five, every kid that is
into starter, which is all of us, wanted the Charlotte
Hornets starter jacket, or that Charlotte Hornets had something that
had to do with the jersey. The short hell, I
take a Bloodie devine jersey at this point like that,

(57:33):
that's how dope Charlotte. So that's Charlotte Hornets. That's one
of those iconic when it dropped, you knew, now this
is this is gonna last a test of time.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Remember that's that's the team that drafted Kobe Bryant dranded
New to LA for there you go, just ridiculous. Go ahead,
cool a, sorry about that.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
Randalls small tat to say he believes the New England
Cheeters are overrated, So he doesn't I guess he puts
by all of their Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
I'm not a lot. That's one. I appreciate the comment.
That is that is one truth, like they cheated and
people don't. And I think people when they look back
at that, they kind of gloss over. But there were
three Super Bowls they won, and they got caught cheating
three times.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Realistically, so well, I mean, there are people who would
argue that Michigan got cheated.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
And I said about cheating, but see, I don't have
a problem saying we did. So whatever you say about
that is facts.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
You wasn't ready for that word.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
No, I was not. I'm not. I don't think that's
the case at all. They've got more titles than anybody else.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
But they still got caught cheating in three of those
years that they won.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Die are you? Are you referring to to flate gate
is one of them.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
It was a part of the chating process. I didn't say.
I didn't say I caught in too. I'm just telling
you this has to come with it.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I understand. I'm not saying you are blaming them for that,
but I just I think that is a it's a
really it's a major reach.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Okay, what about watching practices and recording them.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah, that's a problem. That's a problem.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Okay, give me one that.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I'll give you one. Okay, absolutely, But twenty two division championships.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
The North they did in AFS East.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Well, I mean part of that is because they beat
the hell out everybody in the AFC bum teams.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
I played on one.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
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we'll get to more super chats. We'll get to more chats.
We punch, you know, smash that like button, punch it,
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We're gonna talk a little, a little rough, a little football.
To a tongue of Aloa has been demoted in Miami. No,
you don't want him, but there is another name that

(59:38):
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tongue of a Looa needs to be a lion, And
I said, I don't like him. I don't like the
way he throws. I give him a ton of credit
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Tongue of below has been benched. You know who's starting
instead of him? I saw him Quinn yours Zach Wilson
has gone from backup, so you would think you're next
in line. Okay, you're not last in line, good d

(01:06:38):
O song. But he's he's second in line. He gets
passed over by quinn Us. Yeah, Zach Wilson's the backup
to quinn Us. I was wrong about Zach Wilson. I
liked him at d YU. I was flat out wrong.
I loved his arm. I thought it was awesome, and

(01:06:58):
he was horror like absolutely horrible, Josh Rosen esque horrible.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Stay with stay with that.

Speaker 9 (01:07:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
I got in trouble. I was on a broadcast with
the New York Jets. This was during the draft, so
I did it. I did with s n Y. So
that's why I hit me up, and they said, hey,
we want to do something cool. We want to have
you do with these guys, big station in New York.
You know what I'm saying. So you'll do like the first,
You'll do the first you know, the first ten pictures,

(01:07:28):
So the first five pictures, So Jets. Zach Wilson was second.
I know he was third people, Yeah, he was third
because Trey Lance was second. So I said, sure, we'll
do this quickly. As they're talking before the draft. I
realized that they were draft drafting Zach Wilson. We kind
of knew whatever, but I'm listening to how they were
talking about and they were talking about he's a world beater.
Obviously I'm exaggerated. The world beating has the big arm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
You see it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
He brings the moxie. Saw what he was able to
do after and BYU he brings some scramble. Like everybody
was just libbing so hard for Zach Wilson. I was like,
I missed the memo. Yeah, I missed the memo that
we were gonna him, so we're gonna say all positive
things about him. So when I got up there, it
was my turn, and the drafted Zach Wilson brother. When
you think about the pick, I was like, this is
what y'all drafted. I was like, so you're just gonna

(01:08:10):
guess on a guy for b YU who had some
okay stats and then players the best competition. And I
just started listening to things that I saw just in
the videos that I were watching. I said, mechanics, looking
said all over the place. So it got silent on
the broadcast. I was like, oh shoot, I'd say something
I wasn't supposed to say, and they were like, yeah,
but back to you at the moment. And so then

(01:08:33):
we came back, you know, we talked and it was like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
By the way, you were right. Originally he was second overall,
it went Trevor Lawrence. He won Zach Wilson then, so
you were right over all.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Man, they drafted him. I was like, yeah, I don't
see it. Yeah, because this is a this is a
franchise I played for. This is a franchise that has
has traditionally struggled at trying to find that pick. I mean,
Chad Pennington, if we are being honest, is the last
good New York Jet quarterback like that guy exactly? And
they were reaching after that. Mark san says, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

(01:09:05):
Who's Max one of those kind of quarterbacks that we
talked about with Tua, Like, which you play in college
sometimes handicaps you in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Yeah, Just so people are where Zach Wilson twelve and
twenty one all time as a starter with the Jets
in with Miami, he.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Just didn't even look like a bad quarterback. He just
looked like somebody that shouldn't be playing that position in
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yes, I thought I was enamored with the arm.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Yeah, okay, he's got to be an arm And I was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Watching him play a number of times.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
A couple of years ago. I wanted to say, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Don't remember that, but I mean I'm talking in college.
When I watched him play for BYU, I thought, this
dude can spin it. I said, I really like him.
I would couldn't have been more wrong. Who are some
of the quarterbacks? We don't have to talk about all
kinds of different players, but who are some of the
quarterbacks because it's it's so hard to draft a quarterback.
I'll never forget talking with Ozzie Knewsome in Cleveland. I

(01:10:02):
was getting ready to call Lions and Browns, and I
loved picking his brain because I think he's brilliant, all right,
and he knows what he's doing. So I remember asking
him why is it so many quarterbacks fail? And he said, well,
I don't know if it's quarterbacks who fail, but it's
the people who draft them. Because if you don't have

(01:10:23):
a quarterback as a general manager, you end up spending
your entire career chasing for one. It's why the Lions
have drafted so many quarterbacks, whether it be Joey Harrington
or Andre where we can go on and on about
the bad quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
So I think it's I do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
I think it's really hard to get an idea of
whether this guy's numbers and talents can transfer to the
next level.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
Also want to be issues too, is a lot of
times guys are just drafted because somebody told me this
is the number one quarterback, but this is the number
two quarterback with three quarterbacks. So when you're up, it's like, well,
I think this is what it is. That's how guys
are drafting. Guys still draft that way. So you have
to look and see what fits your system, Like what
fits your system, Like if your if your offensive coordinator
is insert this guy, what is the system. Let's say

(01:11:12):
Ben Johnson. You know Ben Johnson likes a quick, cerebral
guy that could be in the pocket for the majority
and control from the pocket can go in and but
I mean under the center in shotgun do those things.
Like he prefers that that's the type of quarterback. So
if you're his team, you're not gonna draft the quarterback
that's out there like letting it rip and run and
trying to figure it out on to fly. Like so

(01:11:32):
I think people aren't honest, like this is my system,
we have to draft the quarterback to fit my system.
Or if we're going to draft this guy because he
is the number one player and we just know we have,
then we have to draft the system to fit this guy.
It's like trying to put a circle in the square pulp.
That's what you get sometimes with these with these teams,
like why draft the guy and then say, hey, you

(01:11:53):
have to do this, no work together, meet him where
he is, and that's how you have the best success.
I think that's why you got a lot of fit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Have you been wrong about some quarterbacks that you thought
were gonna be good? Let me give you some names
that I've been wrong, all right, Zach Wilson, As I
mentioned Trevor Lawrence. I mean until this year, until recently,
Trevor Lawrence has been I think a disappointment.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Will I will hold off on that one, but yes,
to this point, you're correct.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
All right. Eric Zier who was outstanding at Georgia, set
SEC records at Georgia, well not just Georgia. This is
a while back, okay, and he never materialized into anything.
Chris Redman who was in Arizona State. I thought he
was Louisville, Louisville, Louisville. Yeah, never turned into much. Even
with in Baltimore Robert Griffin, iid, okay, okay, thought he

(01:12:44):
would be really good. You know, I bought into the
mobile quarterback thing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
RG three was that his organization like running him into
the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Could be could be one of the other I don't know,
but you know, he was eventually replaced by Kirk Cuz
since it was a late draft pick. I don't know.
He got hurt obviously, so that doesn't help him. And
the last one I would say is Van Snyder is
Derek Carr. Those guys have been wrong. Now, Derek Carr

(01:13:14):
was actually turned out to be a halfway decent quarterback.
I'm saying he wasn't as good as I thought he
was going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Trajectory looked a little bit different, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Who were some of those quarterbacks? Perhaps that maybe you
were off base a little bit here?

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
I got four, Okay, I'll go from oldest to most recent.
I'll say Drew Brees. I was off on Drew Brees
like I was watching football at that time. Obviously, It's
like ninety nine, two thousand. So I'm in high school.
I'm getting ready to embark on my trip to the
University of Michigan. But I was watching football.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
I was dialing in.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Purdue is a system. Purdue has been always been a system.
They were as system where they go four or five.
Why I want of the first teams to introduce that
into the Big ten. Got a lot of wires. He
was going and this, that, and the third throwing quick
throws and getting yards after catch, like this is what
this system was. I was like, you know what, it's
gonna work in the NFL. He's a shorter quarterback too,
and not necessarily in an NFL mobile. Well, I might

(01:14:07):
have been wrong about that. You guy would guy by
the name of Sean Payton the rest of his history.
Then Aaron Rodgers. I was in that draft. I was
in the Aaron Rodgers draft, and I don't say because
what everybody else says. Oh, and he got twenty fourth
pick and he was spurned.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
I was there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
I watched it like he introduced himself to me as
the number one pick in the draft. I saw where
his energy was, so I his attitude was Then gets
draft twenty fourth and it just looks like a bleep show,
if you will. And then he didn't start a couple years.
Obviously they still have Brett. But when he first got denied,
he first got the NOD was two thousand and seven.
I watched him that season. I said, I've been waiting
three years for this. I didn't see it again. I

(01:14:43):
was wrong Joe Flocco. I never liked Joe Flako. Played
against Joe Floko. We were in the same division, the
AFC North. I thought he was overrated coming out of Delaware.
I'm like, this guy's not that good. He's just on
a great defense, which is true, I said, and they
just run the ball. When you watch him in that
and you watch him in that playoff run to where
they win the Super Bowl, I don't care what you

(01:15:03):
feel about Joe Flocco. What he did on that run
is equal to what Dirt and Whiskey did on his
run when they won the NBA Championship. That run was
unbelievable and how he pulled it off even in the
Super Bowl. So when you see that, I'm able to
turn all the stuff off I said before, I'm like,
I don't care who he's playing with. I don't care
about a reed and Ray Lewis, Joe Flocco did that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
How much of that has to do with the fact
that you didn't believe in it because he came from
a smaller school like that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
No, I had nothing to do with that, Like when
you get drafted the top whatever, Like I'm believing that
somebody knew something. So I'm like holding you to that
that particular pick versus he's coming out of Delaware and
I'm not believing that. Now, I didn't believe in Ashgenti
coming out of boys in State. But that's neither here
nor there right about that. Yeah, So Joe Floco was
like the one now you still see him at forty
years old, finding three hundred yard games, finding two three touchdowns,

(01:15:50):
so he's lasted the test of time. And then a
more recent one c J. Strout.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I don't believe in a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
I don't believe in the college quarterbacks that come from
Ohio State, that come from Alabama, that come from Georgia,
that come from insert Matt Lioner. And what I mean
by that is when you're playing with for all Americans,
four first rounders Heisman trophies at the running back position.
It's handicapping you to actually having to be that man,
to be that person that leads the team. It's the

(01:16:20):
reason you're the reason why the team is having success,
having that ability to you know what, I'm a guy
with the team on this play. Coach, you sit back
and relax, let me make this happen. So I was
wrong on him. I thought he was gonna be Dwayne
Haskins rest in Peace, or JT. Baird or Troy Smith
or Enlist toil prior. The list goes on with those
type of quarterbacks. But he wasn't. He's the guy's coming here, man.

(01:16:42):
He's understood how to play this game. He's processes. Process
is kind of like Jared Goff, to be honest, he's
very shrew back there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
So those are good ones, man, I was wrong on
I like that. Those are really good ones. Cam Kolidue,
you guys got any any quarterbacks you may have been
wrong about out I suppose some people might say JaMarcus
Russell because you talk about an arm talk about a
guy who accomplished a lot at LSU at a short
period of time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
I met him at the draft. I knew he wasn't
it because he didn't care about football. So when everybody
tells the infamous story where like the coach said, I
gave him the DVD, he took the DVD home, he
bought it back and I said, hey, did you watch
the watch the DVD? Did you check out the coverages
and see He said, yeah, coach, I watched it, And
infamously everyone knows there was nothing on the DVD, so

(01:17:29):
he didn't even put it in the c So, but
before that, he was nothing about football. Did he care
about except for where it could take him and what
it could provide for him?

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Good one, Uh, not saying that I bought it to him.
He was not armed, but he had an arm and
he looked really good at LSU. You're right about that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
He was the national championship.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
He was the He was the equivalent to baseball's Anthony Rendome.
Anthony Rindome did not care and he was just I
think he's been released by the Angels, waste of money. Uh.
He just didn't love baseball. Yeah, and it's really hard
to play, especially that sport. It's hard to play that
sport if you don't truly love it because of how

(01:18:10):
much you're playing it every day for over six months.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
And then in that draft, it was like JaMarcus Russell
or is JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
I want to say, okay, or your buddy, Yeah, I'd.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Be cute my buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
JaMarcus Russell was yeah. Oh wait. Basically LSU had buried
Notre Dame in the Bowl game, so I got a
chance to see these two go ahead to head and
I'm like, well, I know what I believe Brady to be.
He must be like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
But yeah, what do you say, kool aid? Any any
quarterbacks that you've been been wrong about? JaMarcus Russell, by
the way, two thousand and seven, first overall, he was
taken ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Of Tag In went like eleven, Calvin Johnson, Johnson and
Joe Thomas and Joe went third.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah, and Pat, listen to this all right, just real quick,
and though like that willis Yeah, you had four Hall
of famers top fourteen. Darrell Reevis was the other one.
Four Hall of Famers in the top fifteen picks, and
the Raiders got enamored with just win baby, give me
the arm. I enamored with JaMarcus Russell. JaMarcus Russell goes

(01:19:24):
out there craps the bet on a regular basis. Calvin Johnson,
Joe Thomas, Patrick Willis, who was a badass, ole miss,
and Darrel Revis all Hall of famers, all taken after him.
Go ahead, cool a yeah for me.

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
H, he hasn't had like a whole lot of success
in the league yet, But Baker Mayfield, he's had more
than I thought he would. I thought he was going
to be one of those guys that was going to
come into the league flash in the pan and honestly
not find success or find his rhythm, especially not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Drive reclamation project for him.

Speaker 8 (01:19:56):
Yeah, especially when you looked at who got taken last
in that far round. I just thought that the NFL
was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
It's a good one in his head.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
It's all that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
It was Becker Mayfield for a good one, Cam you
got one.

Speaker 12 (01:20:08):
Not exactly, but I completely forgot how good Jamis Winston
was until he shout outed against our team.

Speaker 9 (01:20:18):
The other week.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
James Winston is gonna go down in history. That's really best.
How do I phrase this man? Because man crafty and
fun and creative, but I'm also telling a bit of truth.
He's gonna go down as the best quarterback that was
ever drafted number one that didn't stay a starter, if
that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Best backup?

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Are you saying he's not like he really can play
this game? Hey, jam was really nice. He's just little.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Like I thought you were gonna say, he's gonna go
down as one of the most likable football players in
the history of the sport.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
Well, that goes what I'm saying. But I'm saying like
for him as a starter thirty for thirty, everybody knows
it was hilarios season and templates. But he can start
or back up like every game, like because some games
he will be better than.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Yeah, Josh Allen, and he's good with it by the way.
He accepts the role. Yeah, I wouldn't go so far
as a Josh Allen, but I'm just yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Well he had three fifty six against the Lions. Josh
Allen had three twenty last weekgainst the Lions. He can
be like a Jason Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Yeah, Josh Allen won. And also but yeah, I don't
want I don't want to debate that. I think it's
kind of yeah, no kidding. When we come back. Speaking
of quarterbacks, Lions quarterback Jared Goff said something rather controversial yesterday.
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Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
So we were talking about quarterbacks a moment ago. Somebody
in the chat had a good one and they said
Christian Ponder. I didn't I didn't know how good he
was going to be. But somebody in the check thought
he was going to be good from Florida State. And
that's a good one. Somebody he was good, he was
good at Florida State. He wasn't he wasn't great at
Florida State, and he sure wasn't very good in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Yeah, I thought that's what it was a random names
we said they were actually good in the league too.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
I think it's people you thought was going were going
to be good or weren't going to be good in
your case. So for example, that's why I say the
guy said, I like, I thought Zach Wilson is going
to be good. I was wrong, Eric Zier, I was wrong,
Chris Redman, I was wrong. You thought guys were going
to be bad and they ended up being good. So
either way, we were wrong about the quarterbacks. So somebody
said Gary Danielson, which is interesting one that goes way

(01:28:51):
back to the seventies. Yeah, the former Purdue boiler Maker.
Somebody said Joe Montana, Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
Well, he's going to be bad or thought he's gonna
be good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Maybe they had to have thought he was going to
be bad because he was great.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Struggling at first team.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
A little bit. Yeah, Steve de Berg was in place
of him. Somebody said Todd Collins.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
That's hey, Yeah, I thought he was gonna be better,
but he did because he was first round, no second round.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
But anyway, Yeah, somebody's saying four Elvis gerback, Todd Collins.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
And el snuck around and had a sneaky career.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Yeah he did. Drew Henson, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Yeah, we'll sport though both because because if we're talking football,
then he's he. If we're talking football, then Drew left
a year too soon. If we're talking football. If Drew
stays for a senior year, so does Dave Terrell and
Marquis Walker had already stayed like you, stayed for that
senior year, he would have been the number one quarterback.

(01:29:56):
They would have taken him over David Carr. Instead, he
leaves his junior year to go pursue baseball, and baseball
didn't work out. So if he's saying he thought been
in baseball, I would agree. He didn't try football until
four years after baseball and baseball Connor.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Was like, yeah, I would I've argued this for a
long time. There's no right or run answer because there's
so many greatest. He's the number one pick in the
draft out of the state of Michigan. He's one of
the greatest high school athletes the state has ever produced.
You're talking about an All American in football and All
American in baseball, and he averaged like twenty six points
a game in basketball. He was an unbelievable athlete. I

(01:30:33):
do remember this when he came back. You remember he
tried the baseball, It didn't work, couldnt hit a curveball.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
Comes back Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Yeah, he comes back with the Lions, and I was
getting ready to do a preseason game, and I'm on
the field and I'm watching him throw, and I'm watching
two other Lions quarterbacks throw. Brady Quinn I believe was
on the field because they were playing Cleveland. No, it
wouldn't have been Brady Quinn.

Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
Probably not because Brady got draft.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Maybe I'm taking there was somebody else. Anyway, I was talking.
I was talking with a couple of players who weren't playing,
but they're analysts, and I said, who's got the best arm.
Drew Henson, by far had the best arm, had a
great arm. But I don't know what his problem was
at the NFL level. Why couldn't make it with Dallas
or Detroit or Minnesota or what.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
I didn't love it, But you come back four years later.
It's more of it. You're trying to come back because
you failed at the other one, not necessarily because I
have love for it. And he's like, well, let me
try this one out.

Speaker 9 (01:31:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
I think that's what happened with him.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
That could be all right. Let's get speaking to quarterbacks.
Let's get to the Lions quarterback Jared Goff. He said
something that some people have taken as controversial yesterday on
a flagship station in Detroit, and it was the question
was about fans doubting the Lions. Here's his response, Well,
that's awesome. I don't need to reinstill faith in anyone.

(01:31:54):
It pisses me off a little bit to hear that,
but yeah, you know, we got to win this first
one Pittsburgh at home. We'll have it in front of
our home fans, and yeah, it'll be a great go
out there and get that w and hopefully prove a
lot of our people wrong. So there's two things for
this For me, One is you can't necessarily blame fans

(01:32:17):
for wondering if this team can make it. But on
the other hand, I understand where he's coming from. He
doesn't have to reinstill faith in anybody. He's got to
go out there and play with his teammates and get
the job done. What's your take on this quote from
Jared Goff.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
I think if he minuses one word in that conversation,
it's a whole different conversation. And this is not one word.
If one phrase, well, having it, oh excuse what having
in front of our home fans? Where's the one I hear?
We go that's awesome. Thank you guys. I don't need
to reinstill faith into anyone. I don't have a problem

(01:32:55):
with that there. If he goes from I don't need
to reinstill faith into anyone. But yes, you know, we
gotta win this first one. Pistsburgh at home, perfect message
because he's absolutely right when he adds it, pisces me
off a little bit to hear that, Why are you
talking about that? Pisces you off? Because now I can

(01:33:15):
show you why it pisses the fans off that they're
in a position to have to question, are you guys
not gonna make the Super Bowl? Are you guys going
to make the playoffs? Because before the season started, the
conversation was super Bowl of us, the same conversation that
Dan Campbell, Brown Holmes and everybody on the team told
us the year before. So we're looking at it through
that lens. And when we watched the fact that you

(01:33:37):
have one back to back games in a very long time,
which used to be the stable. When we're watching the
fact that your third down percentage has dropped from league
leading forty four to thirty six. When we're watching that
your prize wide receiver, and I'm Rossi Brown, who is elite,
has six drops this year and legitimately had two is
most he's ever had before that, and two of those
drops led to interceptions, and one of those drops was
in a crucial pivotal moment, like all these things is

(01:34:00):
to happen, And how many miscues have you had this year?
How many miscues has his fan base seen? Penalties at
inopportune times, coaching situational game management situations that have not
been on poor third quarters, poor third quarters, not being
able to respond when playing better defenses, and better teams
not being able to get the W. So when people

(01:34:22):
are on this top c turvy ride of what the
twenty twenty five lines are, when people have these thoughts,
it's a real fault. And what are people talking about?
Like he doesn't know, He didn't answer if he's talking
about the super Bowl or just make it to the playoffs,
because both of those things are do you believe in
or they don't believe in? Or why should fans you

(01:34:42):
know in still faith? So if he doesn't do the
it pisces me off a bit. I have no problem
with it, and we don't even have to bring it up.
When you had that part well, you know what pisses
us off Jared, and it's not necessarily on Jared golf,
And I think maybe that's another one that's fits frustrations.
Jared actually has played pretty good this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Year, He's played very we well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
It hasn't been on him a lot of these things,
you know what I'm saying. Some of it has, but
not like it usually has. So maybe for him, he's
like shooting, I'm out here playing, I'm playing my ass
off and we'll lose.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
What do you want? I've got, I've got an NFL
low and interceptions with five. I'm third in touchdown pa
or I'm second touchdown passes to Matthew Stafford. I think
I think he's thirteen yards. I think he's third in
completion percentage, all those things, all those things, if those
matter to you, if those numbers matter to you. But
I think you're right. It pisses me off a little
bit to hear that. That's an emotional response.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Which lets us know. This is the emotion at Allen Park.
This is the emotion around the whole team. The whole
team is at the point where're like, it's like, man,
it's our backs are against the wall.

Speaker 6 (01:35:44):
This is real.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
Didn't think we'd be here before the season started, didn't
think we'd be here when we were four on one,
but now here we are. So getting pissed off? Is
when do you get pissed off when things are smooth?
Like when somebody makes a comment, because one, there are
no comments that come down the pipeline, but two you
get when things are good or you feel smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
I think sometimes what I have to do is take
almost like that twenty four hour approach when when you're
a dad or you're a kid and you want to
talk to the coach about why am I not playing?
You don't know what that's like, but if you're not
playing and stuff like that. I'll go over our shows
a lot and I'll be like, I'll be pissed off
at myself. Yeah. I mean, so you got to separate
the emotion. How well do you separate the emotion from

(01:36:26):
what is real? That's the question. I think that line
that you just read, that line shows too much emotion
on his part. Emotion can be a really good thing, right,
but emotion can be a bad thing too.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
It's almost like, why don't you believe in us? And
if people are and if people aren't believing in us.
Oh man, they're not believing in us. That's almost what
it feels like.

Speaker 8 (01:36:48):
And I've got to actually know that that's what he
feels like. But like you, bray, it's probably something you
don't say from the podium. Like I get that you
want them to have this type of passion. You want
to know that these losses are weighing on them, but
you also want to understand that they still have that
kind of overcomers identity that they've put to you know,
as that they've signed to their own day in the

(01:37:09):
last couple of years. So you know, with Jared Goff,
I'm hoping that as the leader of this team, his
head is on right as they absolutely have to have
these last three games, and you don't want them to
just win. If they're gonna win these last three games,
you want them to do it looking the right way.

Speaker 6 (01:37:23):
If the playoffs are in the store.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Yeah, I don't know what is what is mentally, but
what is the right way? I mean that's a hard thing, right.
I Mean the other day they scored thirty four points
and they lost. Braylan has brought this up before the
Rams win, but they gave up a certain amount of
points to the Arizona Cardinals. I don't know what winning
the right way is. I think winning cures everything right

(01:37:46):
and then you can dissect it afterwards. But he can't
blame Lions fans for even having a question on why
could this team go on a three game run when
they haven't done it for two months?

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
And another thing about that too is like legitimately, the
Kansas City Chiefs were faced with this question a week
ago or two weeks ago because last time, I mean
they just finally got eliminated from the playoffs. This past
week when they lost to the Chargers. They have been
asking Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City for the past five
six weeks. Are we still on pace? Are we still

(01:38:20):
on the way? Are we good team?

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Are we good?

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Are you guys gonna make it? Should the fan base
have belief in faith that this? And they got three
championships and they've won the AFC Championship last nine years
in a row or been a part of that game,
and they were getting questioned, Jared, you guys have a
one squad, got to NFC Championship, didn't close the door,
got the number one seed last year, got ousted at
the crib. Then you look at what the season has been.

(01:38:44):
There are real questions, and it's fair for the fan base,
so to have that emotion tied to that question when
this is what the fan base and this is why
you gotta pipe down. He got chilled.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Yeah, and that's easy for us to say. But I
think you're right about that. Somebody in the chat says
he should have said nothing. Well, when you're asked a question,
you know a lot of the rather be a coach
or a player, you answer it. Okay, you've been asked
more questions than anybody. Somebody said, you know, being pissed off.
It pisses we pay the bills if you're fans or

(01:39:15):
he's being asked. You know, questions trigger questions. I don't
think it's a trigger question. I think it's a fair question,
fair questions, a very fair question. All the hosts asked
and I don't know who asked it, but all the
host said was in so many words, listen, you got
a lot of people doubting you. You haven't lost two
games in a row. We know the resiliency you've had,
but how do you feel about a lot of people

(01:39:35):
sometimes jumping off right? Now to say it pisses me
off might be a little much. How could you handle
it better? Sometimes you want to take a breath. It's
easy for me to say take a breath and say, well, look,
we've got to be better. Nobody knows that better than us.
We expect to be better this Sunday against Pittsburgh. We
hope you're out there rooting for us. Whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Something also too, like you guys got to leave the
never we haven't lost back to back, you said a
while ago, and I let it rock. I didn't want
to double down, but now I will. Who cares because you,
legitimately this season can go without losing a game back
to back and not make the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
So is that what you want to hold on too,
is like, hey, look, we hadn to lose back to
back because now we get into a space where we
become the Pittsburgh still is not in the fact that
we've won anything, but the fact that they're hanging on
to what, Oh, we haven't had a losing record, but
we haven't had a lose Who cares if you suck?
Who cares if there's no faith that you can get
to the playoffs and actually do something? So Pittsburgh needs

(01:40:32):
to change their tune. We don't need to talk about, well,
we haven't lost back to back. We can do that
this year and not make the postseason, ladies and gentlemen,
So calm down that.

Speaker 8 (01:40:41):
Yeah, but I was just asked, bra you know, from
a player's perspective, I hear players say this sometimes you know,
it's our locker room and we shut out all the
other noise. But I haven't even I haven't even heard,
like or seen the reactions that to me would say, Yo,
this should warrant this type of emotional response. But just
from what you've seen and your spec has there been
times when it's like, you know what, shut out even

(01:41:03):
the fans and just play because you know that winning
is ultimately what's gonna cure all.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
Stephen A. Smith is in the new version. Oh my god,
I know I'm not watching him in two K like,
oh wow, that's a whole. My issue with with that
is not issue. My thing with that is the Lions
are in the situation shop that they've never been in.
And what I mean by that is the Lions just
got good, but Dan Campbell and they've built this through

(01:41:30):
twenty one twenty two twenty three, twenty four, all the
way down to twenty five. This is the downside of
it because everything was up, everything was going up.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
You you go yo, you go nine and eight and
almost make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
You're going up.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
Then in the next year you get to the NC Championship.
In the next year you get the number one see
everything I mean, and you lose and that sucked. But
now this is a season where you're eight and six,
three games left, You're not in the playoffs, You're not
even in a wild card spot. You're in the hunt
right now. The Lions haven't been in this situation. So
I think this energy like this, I think this emotion

(01:42:04):
that's real emotion, that's real time with them being in
a position that this team, this regime that has been
so good to the city and been so good in
the NFL, well they haven't been that good necessarily all
the way this year. And now they're trying to figure
out do we have the horses in the table, do
we have the skill on paper to win these three
games to get ourselves in the playoffs. Because if they

(01:42:25):
get in the playoffs, they got a shot to do something.
There's a lot of winnable games in the NFC. We'll
get to that down the line, but they haven't been
in this spot. This is a new space for them,
and maybe that lends to some of this emotion or
some of this kind of you know, something different.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
You know, somebody in the chat had written about the officiating,
and maybe maybe that's triggered him being a little upset.
I looked on earlier today a football football stat database.
The Lions have had the eleventh fewest, with eighty six
fewest penalties called against them total. Do you think Kansas

(01:42:59):
City has.

Speaker 7 (01:42:59):
More or less?

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Kensey has more.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
They do have more. They have one hundred, which I
think might surprise some people. So you know, I'm again,
I'm not talking about one specific penalty defensive pass interference,
where Detroit ranks in the top ten in that category,
but overall penalties, just keep that in mind as we
move forward. I know, I thought it was ridiculous what

(01:43:24):
happened against Kansas City where they didn't get a penalty
called at all, But overall on the season, they've had
more penalties called against just about quarter TiO. We'll take
a quick time out when we come back. There is
a player who was waived. Would Braylan Edwards want this
player on the Lions? And if we have time, another

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(01:49:14):
a good year.

Speaker 6 (01:49:15):
Did you just say it's a pass rusher on a while?

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
There is a pass rusher on the streets. Would you
make a bid for Matthew Judon, four time pro bowler.
Head back to back years we had double digits, double
digit sacks twelve and a half one year, fifteen and
at a half for New England in twenty twenty two,

(01:49:39):
so he's not that far removed from that season. But
with Miami this year he has not registered a sack
at all. Yeah, so nothing special there this year. Would
you bring him in.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
As much as we need the pass rusher, I feel
as though he could use another body, and maybe even
for the playoffs. I don't know that's the taken on
it is. It looked like, why does he really go
from Miami? Obviously he doesn't seem like he's been tapped
out and being tuned out a little bit, had a
chance to hang out when he's actually from here. Yes,
he's actually from He went to Lathrop, I do believe,
so Southfield, but Grand.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Valley, he's a Grand Velly. I think he went to
West Bloomfield.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
But it could be right, Yeah, you're right, you're right Field,
and sure why not?

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
I would bring him in see what it looks like,
to see what it looks like, and you know what,
I would use him. How many times have you told
us fourteen fifteen snaps. Yeah, fust rushing situation. It's third
and long. We don't think they're gonna run screen. We
don't think they're gonna run any type of draw. Go
get the quarterback. That's what I want him for.

Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
Hell. Three years ago, Detroit Lions brought in Bruce Irvin,
who hadn't played a game in two years. And what
did he do in that first game? He got a sack, yeah,
and almost had another one, and then he did some
dumb stuff and I picked up the team. But you know,
you're right, you need bodies, you know, and you're you're
you're poised for lack of a better word, for a
playoff run. You know, you run three off in a row,
and you're going to the playoffs. I don't think that

(01:50:58):
ticket's gonna cost you munch. And he'd just be excited
to have an opportunity to be on a playoff contender.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Yeah, I don't think we're saying sign him, no sight unseen.
You want to bring him in, you want to work
him out, to get him.

Speaker 6 (01:51:13):
On that practice squad and just see exactly how things are.

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
Because I feel like the Lions they still wonder if
they if Frank Wagna would be here, if they would
have won that Packers game.

Speaker 6 (01:51:23):
But at least they got him in. They got to
get the look at him, and they did this a
couple other times this season as well.

Speaker 8 (01:51:28):
I'm hoping they can at least do the same, because
are you in a position, are you at a luxury
right now to say no, we're good anymore?

Speaker 9 (01:51:36):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
I just I don't even know. You wouldn't even put
him on the practice squad. You would just me he's
played thirteen games for Miami, only three stars. There's no
reason to do that. You bring him in, you make
sure he fits what you always talk about, the culture.
I don't know what kind of guy he is, all right,
and see what happens, But he's played a long time,
he gets it, He probably understand. He would understand the role,

(01:51:58):
and he might thrive in the role from sense that.
You know what, You've got some other guys who might
be able to help him a little bit while he
helps him. And he's gonna be in certain situations. We
don't give a crap about how you play against the run.
We want you to go get the quarterback first and foremost.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
Yeah, all right too, A lot of times when people
are needed, you know, like that level of play goes up,
that level of intention goes up. Excited, some go somewhere. Man,
they need me, you know, they want to be a part.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Of what they do whatever capacity want to feel wanted.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
And oh, by the way, I'm a town the street
from the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Crib, from the crib.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
All right, let's get to some super chats and so
many other chats that maybe you want to get involved
in here, kool a before we're out of here.

Speaker 8 (01:52:39):
Oh yeah, definitely, I'll go with the super chats first,
if we got time to are a couple questions that
pick my interest in the chat. But Michael Waerry sends
in a five dollars super chat he wants to know
what do you guys think about this move? Agreed to
terms with the right handed pitcher Drew Anderson on a
one year contract.

Speaker 6 (01:52:55):
We need more arms if we want to win.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
By all means, whatever very greater you had mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
I don't care, man, I mean, if he comes from
he comes from overseas, I just it's it doesn't it
doesn't do anything for you. All right. He's an arm
who could be in the bullpen. He could also be
a late starter. That's fine. I mean you need some
bullpen arms. Wake me up, okay, just just just wake

(01:53:32):
me up when they get something, when they get serious.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
If you're gonna keep Derek Scouble and you think you
wake me up before you go, go whim if you
if you if you're gonna keep Trek Scouble and you're
gonna quote unquote, go for it and be more than
just win the division because you have the best talent
to win the division. Show show fans that you are
going for it. And I'm not saying you know this,
I'm not saying spend irresponsibly. But you've got more and

(01:53:55):
more teams that are jumping into the fray for the
various names that have been associated with players that the
Tigers supposedly like. Okay, some point, Alex Bregman, Arizona, Shit, okay, Bulbushitt,
show me something. Drew Anderson makes me go okay, thanks.
I'm not saying he's gonna be Alex Cobb, but you
tried to sell me Alex Cobb last year. Get out

(01:54:17):
of here.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
That's the part. That's the part too. We had this
whole conversation and Alex Scott became a running joke from
the time he was signed until now. It's still going on.
And here you are with another player that could potentially
be the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
If not, Yeah, it's to me, it's it's crazy. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
So now we got to listen to MAZ for another
year Anderson or Verland.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
So I want you to think about this for a minute.
Do you think he's a bullpen guy or do you
think he's a starter Anderson? Or yeah, is Drew Anderson
a starter or is a bullpen guy?

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
Bullpen guy?

Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Yeah, he's got an ERA of six and a half
in his career, and I get it, he's got certain
You're gonna read articles, all the spin rain, all the
different stuff that he's done. And when he went over
to Creole, this is great, you know, and forget about
the one and three record for twenty seventeen through twenty
twenty one. He's a different guy. Maybe Chris Feedder can.

Speaker 6 (01:55:11):
Fix him, and and and say, is this a feed reclamation?

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
It could be?

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
It could be, And I trust Chris Fetter immensely. All right,
but I am tired of reading all these these snow
job articles about how great these guys are going to be.
Because we heard it last year and it didn't come
to fruition. Sorry, not buying it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Why do we keep knowing preaching? But why don't we
keep needing arms? That we that Chris Feedder has to
fix Paul Seawall while that the conversation everything, let's let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Wait till Paul sea Wall's ready. Oh man, this is
gonna be awesome. Guess what never played enough?

Speaker 6 (01:55:48):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:55:49):
Especially while you got a squad that is making some noise.
You just want to see them go out there and
do something. Does so that you're pushing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Give me a favorite, give me, give me a damn
difference maker? Can you do that for me?

Speaker 4 (01:55:59):
Is that too much to ask?

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Is not? Can you give me a difference maker? Ye?

Speaker 6 (01:56:05):
A guy?

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Then another team goes, damn, we missed out on that guy.
That's what I want.

Speaker 4 (01:56:09):
That's that's it. That that that's what you Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
I'm not asking you spend thirty million dollars a year.
I'm not asking you to trade away your farm system.
I'm asking you to give me a difference maker. I
think Tiger's fans deserve that. Okay, and you're selling me,
Drew Anderson. Sorry, okay, sell me ice cream in the
middle of winter to knock it off.

Speaker 6 (01:56:30):
Go ahead, well, listen, your answers just earned a two
dollars super chap for Michael.

Speaker 8 (01:56:34):
Where you to thanks, Shep. I feel the exact same way,
so you, I'm telling you preaching for the people.

Speaker 6 (01:56:39):
Both they all on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
Man, I had difference.

Speaker 6 (01:56:41):
Maker is tough.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
Yeah, just like oh man, it sounded intention in me
and ice cream and open raising gluten free cookies.

Speaker 6 (01:56:53):
That's ice cream the other day.

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That was really funny. I had ice cream yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:57:15):
Mike Wervers is in another one to five dollar Supersteps,
so you know he does have that number one crown,
do you for?

Speaker 6 (01:57:20):
The Lions have something sustainable and this just a bad year.
I think we needed this year.

Speaker 4 (01:57:28):
To light a fire under the Bunton burner. That would
be Brad Holmes. You know what, Yeah, I don't have
a problem with that conversation. I still believe in the Lions.
We talked about this because of how good that talent is,
and he paid a lot of talent, so it ain't
going nowhere. So I believe in what this team can be.
I'm believing the pieces that are there. I mean, the
Lions have eleven players in the top ten. Like I

(01:57:49):
don't say that to throw a random stand out, Like
eleven players that are in the top ten of their position,
that goes a long way. That means that you have
more than enough on the team. There just needs to
be a different level of intention when you're dealing with
free agency this year. I don't want to hear about
what the money we have and we want to say
that and wait to pay other players that have already
been drafted and we believe they're going to come down
the pipeline and also in the draft. Like I don't

(01:58:10):
want you to. I want you to really look at
this process, like what's going to make us better? How
do we get back to being the talk in the
NFC North because right now you're not. So I believe
in this team. But this is going to be an
off season. It's gonna be very different. It's not going
to be like we come up here and we just
throw all random names of the dark board and see
who the Lins are going to take a risk on

(01:58:31):
in the third round of the fourth round or the
fifth round, or package these up for a player that
we're not even going to really give an opportunity to
do anything for the majority of the first half of
the season. So I believe in this team. I believe
in what Brad Holmes is done to a certain point.
I believe in what Dan Campbell is as the head coach.
But there's going to take more to win this division.
Is going to take more to win the Super Bowl.

(01:58:52):
To get to your goal.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
I would rather them learn their lessons through winning rather
than losing. I went through a span of two thousand
and one through ten and where they didn't have double
digit wins. I don't need any more we needed this.
I've had enough of it. The franchise and the fans
have had enough of it. I don't need to learn
from losing anymore. Nobody outside the Cleveland Browns, no offense

(01:59:16):
has lost more. Okay, so enough, No, they don't need this.
You know what they need. They need difference makers, just
like the Tigers do. They need difference makers, and they
need their general manager to recognize that and make sure
he does that. Does he do that because they're losing,
I hope as sure as LL hope not. I hope
he learns that even when they win, because that's what
he's asking his team to do. He's asking players to

(01:59:38):
learn and take another step. It's okay to ask your
general manager to do the same thing. I do not
need my teams to lose during a season when they
were expected to go to the super Bowl, because this
is going to be a good learning lesson for them.
Harken back to our days two thousand and one, two three, four.
We can go on and on and on where we
sucked and we were the laughing stock of the National

(02:00:00):
Football League. I don't need that anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
Yeah, sorry, past forward to after twenty thirteen, and he
continued fifteen through twenty one. Yeah, are you right?

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
It's it's painful. Can we squeeze him one more? Yeah?
Top of the y'all.

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
Yeah, that's right there.

Speaker 8 (02:00:16):
We got one more in here. And this is from
our guy Jay Rod Sayers. Five dollars super chat. He says,
I'm more than excited to meet you all on Friday.
I'm bringing some Christmas goodies to enjoy, pie snacks and
maybe a surprise.

Speaker 6 (02:00:28):
Thanks for the invite, O pie.

Speaker 4 (02:00:30):
I appreciate that. Like he's come cooking with grease.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
Yeah, well kind of pie, not huckleb.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
We got a nice spot for you right here. Man,
We got a little couch for you. We get a
set up nice and clean for you. Man, you get a.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
Picture with Brailn, you'll be cooking with grease. You'll enjoy it.
We hope you enjoyed this edition of the Bretherin Edward Show.
Always enjoyed being with kool aid and Cam and of
course the man who's show.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
Beers at the top five tomorrow. We didn't do NFC,
AFC and MVP. Oh yeah, and it's Braylen's breakdown.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
And we've got the damn Christmas movie breakdown and I
forgot about that.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
We can say to Chris movie on Friday. It keeps
getting pushed kicking the can down the line. Sounds like your.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Fault because you talk too much good football. We're back
to the two o'clock braylan Ewarde Show. See you left.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
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Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
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Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
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Speaker 7 (02:01:32):
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