DAN CAMPBELL NOT HAPPY?! DETROIT LIONS UPDATES | Braylon Edwards Show with Shep I August 5th, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to The Braillen Edwards Show with Shep Touchdown, Brailer Edwards, Brailer.

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Speaker 4 (00:51):
All right, super excited, super excited. We got Joe Hollywood
in studio. But most importantly, the man whose name is
on the show, Brailan Edwards, is here from the very
get go. No golf today, no pickle ball, no weightlifting,
it's already been done. It's all about.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Being heavy here for the next couple of years. Good job,
well done.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, so we got you at the tail end of
the show, yesterday. We're glad we got you. Today, you're
a Jets camp. I want to hear all about it.
Ricky's here, kool Aid's here. Anson is here to talk
and share some of his knowledge. Really excited for that
with Joe Hollywood, who is the king of whatnot but
the king of cards and all the things that you
want to know about when you're trying to do some collecting.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
He was there in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Anson was there in Chicago at that national event, and
I'm really excited that they're going to be in here
at two thirty with us. I would let me just
start the show. We kind of start lightheartedly, right, Yeah.
I think sometimes I am just like I always picked
the wrong line when I'm at the grocery store. Every
time I go into a public bath, Oh so just

(01:55):
in here, just going in there, quick cuts some water.
Got to get rid of it right back here every
single time, every time somebody's knocking on the door for
something else. If you get my drift, what the hell
is it with my luck that every time I go
into a bathroom, somebody's in there reading a paper.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Oh yeah, shouldn't the doors go all the way down
to the floor. The doors should go all the way
down to the floor.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
The old building we used to work in a Why is.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
That such a difficult concept to understand? Is privacy all
the way down to the floor. I don't need to
see your toes tingling and then figure out when I'm
walking out of there that dude just laid one down
and it was I can tell you what he had
for lunch tingling.

Speaker 7 (02:37):
Yeah, they're very suspects. We can get to try to
stay away from it if I can help it. But
you know, sometimes you gotta go, you gotta go, and
somebody else had to go a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, apparently that is the case. And guys have no shame,
as we all do.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
I think there's less shame these days. There's a little
bit more same when I was younger. These days people
just really.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
I think you're right about that. The Jets carrying off
enough to have you all there at camp? How did
that go for you last week?

Speaker 7 (03:04):
All? Look, I'm glad you asked. I love the New
York Jates organization. I played for four teams, you know,
in my teener in the NFL, and I respect all
the organizations, and I appreciate the opportunity. But some franchises
they just know how to go above and beyond the
call of duty. And I think you know the Jets.
They do that for me. They bring you in first class,
first class ticket, put you up in a nice hotel,
they bring you into camp, and they make you feel

(03:25):
a part of what's going on. I felt that last
year when Aaron Rodgers the year before that, and I
was at the first game with tours Achilles. They do
a really good job. That's a shout out to the Jets,
and I appreciate you. Camp was good. I got a
chance to go out there and it vary is reminiscent
of twenty twenty two when you start to see that
the team is buying into a Dan Campbell is selling
even though they went on six and started the season,

(03:46):
we know how that season finished. The team is buying in.
It looks a lot different. As you see the picture
in the background, it's crazy Brayling with Braylan. Like that
Brayling with Braylan. Everybody kept shouting out the whole time,
and I had to get a picture shout at Tyrod Taylor,
who is one of the older players league. So I
actually played against him. He's doing really well. He actually
looked better than Justin Fields in my opinion. But when

(04:08):
you get paid to be ready all the time, you're
always gonna look good. Just Field's trying to implement the system.
But Braylan looks good and I could talk about that too,
But they look they look much better, looks like they're
buying like that. Man.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
It says legend on it. You like that, right, It
says legends right there.

Speaker 7 (04:25):
The Jets three seasons worth of work. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (04:31):
I have not bad for that.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, but you look good there, man, I appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (04:35):
So that the Jets, in a sense, it just looks different.
They don't look distracted by all the things around. It
looks like Aaron Glenn, who we watched for four years,
help build Dan Campbell up on that defensive side. And
a little bit more to that. Because the team was
buying in the pack. The practices were fast, they were
Chris shot down in Edwards. You see him Edwards with Edwards.
At one point I was standing right next to Braylan

(04:57):
Allen down in Edwards and one of the trainers said, look,
Braylor new with Berlin netwards.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
That's really good.

Speaker 7 (05:03):
But I like the fact that I got a chance
to watch Aaron Glenn with you guys for the last
four years and then watch it work in practice. Guys
saw god in her last year when I went for practice.
He was tuned out too. What the head man was saying,
headman being Robert Salad. He was tuned out. He was
tuned out to practice, wasn't listening to the guys. I
saw him taking tutelage from dre BLI. I saw him

(05:24):
locked in. I saw him locked in when Aaron Glyn
spoke after practice, I saw the guys hanging on every work.
That's how you build a culture there. So and also
Nick Folk is back, who actually was the kicker when
I was with the Jets. So how he made it
this long, I don't know. But he gave him number
eighteen because this is his eighteenth year in the league.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Lavernie Coles there pick one of the best for the Jets. Yeah,
two outstanding Jets receivers. What kind of swag did your
Jets swag did you bring back for kool Aid? And Ricky?

Speaker 9 (05:53):
Right?

Speaker 7 (05:54):
So wait to put me on the spot. So there's
a new equipment manager okay. So what I was able
to do is meet him, talk to him. You get
a feel for him, get a vibe for him. And
what I did was I didn't ask for anything because
I said, you know what, I don't know this guy yet.
I don't want to ask for anything, don't you know.
I got an email from our mind though they said

(06:16):
Brailann would appreciate it was nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Man.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
We're gonna put together a nice package for you, so
don't worry. We get your big dumb stag and a
bunch of stuff, so I shall have a lot of
Jets things coming within you know, a week or so.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
So we we could decorate the Braylen Edwards show with
some of that, could we not?

Speaker 6 (06:32):
We could?

Speaker 4 (06:32):
We could put me maybe a Michigan helmet on one
side and a Jets helmet, or a Jets helmet, a
Cleveland Brown's helmet, or you know, the San Francisco forty
nine ers. I mean, let's spice things up a little bit.
We got guests in here.

Speaker 7 (06:45):
He wants to see all this stuff, right true, Hey
Free you know what, give me the Hey Teams, Jets,
Seattle forty nine ers. Let me get Cleveland Cleveland. Let
me get some of those helmets and put them on
the desk.

Speaker 10 (06:56):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Hey, here's the reason I say that, we've got some
nice stuff in here. Right now, folks, it's all behind us.
You can't see it. What's the point It does the
fans no justice. It needs to be on the desk
at Woodward Sports along with you, the Ven Johnson, Mike
Flaggs and all that other stuff. So tell me a
little bit more about Aaron Glenn because I'd love to

(07:19):
know what you think he learned most from Dan Campbell
and how he's implementing that into the Jets number one
and number two. We always talk about a culture change
when it comes to sports teams that stink. One team stinks,
that means they need a culture change. I don't know
if you think the Jets needed a culture change, but
it sure seemed like the front office felt that way.

(07:41):
How has he implemented his culture change?

Speaker 7 (07:44):
I think with any team when you have a when
you're trying to get things on the right track, you've
got to have a level of discipline that they understand.
You got to start with that. You got to let
the guys know I am not here to be your friend,
that we will eventually get to the friends space we
can eventually become. But your job as a player is
to do what you supposed to do. My job as
a coach is to put you in the best position
to win games. And I think that's what Dan Campbell

(08:05):
did his first couple of years here, Like it wasn't
all cheesy and hunky dory in twenty twenty one. It
wasn't cheesy hunky door until halfway through the end of
twenty twenty two you started to see the guys turn
the corner. You start to see them buy into you know,
what he was trying to implement. And so I think
that's what he did a good job of. When I
watch practice of Aaron glan Like, he's getting on guys,
Like he's not letting guys breathe. He's getting on Sauce

(08:27):
Garden if he needs to. He's getting on Justin Frills
when he needs to, he needs to get on Bryce Allen,
Breese Hall, excuse me, Breesce Hall, breyln Allen. He's getting
on the players. But then also you see the same
thing you saw when he was here. You see those
teachable moments. You see him pulling the guy to the
side on the sideline, whether it's to dB, whether it's
an offensive lineman, and you don't know the conversation. But
because of the temperament he saw, he's coaching them up.

(08:50):
He's giving him a little love right here in these situations,
and then you know, you have some fun, you scored
some touchdowns. You'll let the team have a little bit
of fun, talk a little bit of stuff to each other,
but then you reel them back to get it on pace.
So I think the big thing for them they need
to be disciplined. They weren't disciplined in the last three seasons.
Just in my estimation. You want to bring Robert solid fine.
I don't think it was just him. I think it

(09:12):
was that whole organization wasn't discipline and got two lacks
and the inmates basically were running into a certain set
and the inmates weren't the players, if you catch my
drift on that one. So I think he's implementing that.
He's getting them back down in He's getting them disciplined
and letting them have a little bit of fun, but
not too much because it ain't about fun until you win.
I use aight for effect.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Is that the player's side of you sticking up for
the players as in the inmates running asylum? Or are
you serious about that?

Speaker 7 (09:39):
There's a bit of a lot going on with that.
It's not just on the players in that sense. Yes,
that is me sticking up for the players when you
got organization and the owner who won't communicate with the
head coach, and then you send the head coach out
the podium looking like an idiot. Meanwhile, behind closed doors,
it's not necessarily all his fun. And now, how are
you gonna have players kind of listen to this direction
if they see what it looks like and it looks

(10:00):
the same to them as it does to the people
on the outside.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Goofy how many first year coaches did you play for
first time they were a head coach?

Speaker 7 (10:07):
You remember yep Rex's first year, Romeo Carnells for Eric
Mangini's first year. Maybe this explains my career. Maybe, oh
you know what, Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harball was your one.
Romeo Carnell was at professional level, at the professional level,
MANGINIU was your one. And only person that wasn't your

(10:28):
one was Pete Carroll Peek.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Carroll had been there, and what was the noticeable difference
between the first year head coaches and Pete Carroll in
your mind?

Speaker 7 (10:37):
The tenseness now you can just feel it is as
thick as the knife, like the worry, the confusion, the concern.
What's going on? Am I doing a good job? Am
I doing enough?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Like?

Speaker 7 (10:47):
Oh this this is getting off the rail? Do I
blow the whistle?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Now?

Speaker 7 (10:50):
Do I not blow the whistle? Do I let this
fight take place? Do I not let this fight take place?
Seems like the defense is struggling. I know I'm a
defensive mind. Do I say something to the offensive coordinator?
Or do I allow him the room to grow as
a coach? Offensive coordinator doesn't know what the hell he's doing?
Do I say something to him? And I'm not really
an offensive guy. I don't know. I saw all that. Meanwhile,

(11:12):
when I got to Seattle, smooth his butter. The system
was the system, like he understood the guys. The players
knew what they could do. There was fun when it
was supposed to be fun. People look at Pete Carroll
and they see him playing quarterback and you see the
Monarchs that are like side sixteen, and he's only like
five five I don't know. I don't understand that the shoes.
That is, he's fun, he's laughing, he's always got a smile,

(11:36):
he's chewing that gum, and he's got the head moving.
When it's time to get serious, Pete Carroll, don't play that.
Pee Carroll's an old school guy. He's seventy plus for
a reason, and he acted that way. But when it
was trying to have fun, he was cool and players
acted as such. When you treat players like men, they
operate like men. And that's why Seattle was so successful
in that tenure.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
I would have guessed him. All those coaches, Eric Mangini
would have seemed like the most over his head type
of coach, and yet he won double digits his first
year there with you in Cleveland, even though he had
a losing record overall.

Speaker 7 (12:07):
You know what I actually lied about the Arion Manzini's
first job as a head coach with was with the Jets.
Then he got fired and came to the Browns. So
technically you can scratch him off the list.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, because you're right. His first year was with the
Jets ten and six Cleveland. His first year he was
five and eleven. He's five and eleven both years.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
Yeah, I gotta find it before the other than eleven losses.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
So did you notice much of a difference with Aaron
Black from when he was here in Detroit?

Speaker 9 (12:34):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (12:35):
Yeah, in terms of a practice just just he was
dialed in like Aaron Glynn when he was defensive coordinator.
You see him talking to everybody. Can you can have conversations,
You can see the energy whether you were a media,
whether you were a player, whether you or whatever. You
can talk to him a little more loose, a little
more having fun. Had to the back. You know, he's
got the cards in his back. You know everybody knows
running around with the back of the cards. He's not

(12:55):
like that first person I saw when I got to
off the elevator in the morning, when I was on
my way to practice, I saw Aaron Glenn and I
thought it was gonna be this big, huge exchange. And
excuse me, I thought it was gonna be this big
huge exchange former jet, former jet. He his coach I
just got back from the year. It wasn't like that.

(13:16):
It was hey, how you doing, Glad to have your
camp and he kept it moving and to be honest,
for two seconds, I'm like, damn, coach, don't like me.
I said, what did I do? I thought we were
good j Ts Jets, Jets Jets. And then I had
this conversation with Lavernie's coach shouts, Elsie love Elc love Elsie.
He's a great dude. He was talking about how the

(13:37):
switch flipped Elsie's known age since they played together for
the New York Jets, and he was talking to him
when he was a defensive coordinator. He said, he came
up to Detroit and hung out with Aaron Glenn. He said,
you know, he was able to find out what the
lines are doing, and he just seeing more chill and
laid back and smooth. But he said, when you got
that crown on your head, when you have all those
people on your shoulders, when all the responsibility is on you,

(14:01):
you can't act as cool as you can as a coordinator.
You have to be dialed in. And so once Elsie
said that, I'm watching him, he was laser sharp focused,
every task, every conversation, everything that he was doing. You
wasn't getting more than a finger snap of a second
with him, Like this is anybody unless it was something
involved in the practice of the players, so, but it

(14:23):
looked like he had control of it. Like a lot
of people in that space, when you start to wear
the crown, started getting nervous, you look like your second
guess and things. People can see you sweating. I couldn't
see that with Aaron Lynn. I saw a man that
knew what he wanted, that understands what the mission is
for the New York Jets and how he wants to
do it, and he was implementing it.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
What was the sense you got from players in Jets
alumni while you're out there?

Speaker 7 (14:47):
Love loved him. Nick Folk's only been there three days.
I told you I played with Nick Folks. He was
there when I was there. He's come back. He was
there for three days. He said, it feels like a
breath of frid Share and I wasn't even here. He said.
He's smart, he's sharp, he's scheduled, he's got everybody the
laser focus. He's disciplined. He's going over the discipline. The

(15:10):
reason why I keep bringing that word up is because
when you go to a culture that doesn't have that,
but it is important to put that in place, especially nowadays.
Twenty twenty five casts are young, it's different areas, different day.
You got to put that in because if you allow
things to get cool in the beginning, you'll never be
able to get it back. Like if Dan Campbell would
have came in here and been buddy, buddy and friends
and cool and all you guys are professionals and you know,

(15:33):
we'll figure it out together, he would have lost this thing.
They started three thirteen and one. They started three thirteen
and one, then they started ZH six and somehow they
got to eight and two in the last ten games,
and they've gotten to where they've gotten. That's the same
thing they're trying to implement in New York. Like we're
not here for no bs, We're here for the game,
game film, game study, break down. Get friends with the

(15:54):
people you're gonna be on the same size with. Learn
that man to your left, learn that man to the right,
learn that playbook. We'll have fun when we went.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, they kind of broke the mold. I mean, I
think a lot of teams what they do, we've seen
this as a little bit of a history in terms
of how they hire coaches. One offensive guy, it departs
they bring in a defensive minded guy or one rookie
head coach departs, they bring in a veteran, experienced guy.

(16:22):
The Jets went Solid Defense, Glenn Defense. You know, I
know they can coach both sides of the ball, but
that's what they're known for. They went first time head coach,
first time head coach. Why do they think it's gonna
work this time? Besides the obvious.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
Discipline, because first time you go, you're getting a guy
out of Robert slid out of San Francisco forty nine ers,
and you know the forty nine ers, their image is
Kyle Shanahan. They are Kyle Shanahan. Defense was really good
under Robert Salad there they had a lot of success,
but they're Kyle Shanahan's team. Robert Solid. You don't know
if he can build a culture. You don't know if
a guy can come here and be the guy. Yeah,
you know he's a good defensive mind, but what outside

(16:55):
of that do you know? Defensive players kind of like him.
Ag was a guy that was voted by the players
the number one coordinator in the NFL last year. That
wasn't number one defensive coordinator, that was coordinator. He was
voted by the players. So that lets you know that
players have he has that mind. Also, you saw what
he was doing here, You saw the teachable moments on

(17:16):
the field. You see what his defense was. But if
you want to take it outside of the realm of
the x's and o's, you saw how many times you
see him coach Kirby Joseph after going off on him.
How many times you see him get after Brian Branch.
How many times you see him come to when a
player needed him, put his hand on Aiden Hudson. Look,
I get it, I get it. You're getting the herds.
You're close, Aiden, You're close, But you gotta find a
way to slip those two guys and get to the quarterback.

(17:37):
Like that's how you teach. And I think it's just
different with him. Also, he's hired guys around him, like
you don't have to think, don't be the smartest guy
in the room. Dan Campbell was a very good observation
of that. Dan will tell you he's not the smartest
person in the room, but he's gonna get the guys
that know what they're doing. You can say what you
want to about Ben Johnson, one of the guys up

(17:58):
under him to help him put the offense is now
the offensive coordinated for the New York Jets. They need that,
and the system looked a lot better. Last thing. I know,
I've been talking. I've done physicality. I'm listening bro. The physicality.
That's what he got from Dan Campbell. That's the answer
to your question. The Jets are a really good defense,
well player wise, a couple of years ago, really good defense,

(18:21):
that physicality. You know what I heard from the trainers,
They said, we haven't tackled in practice in three years.
What they said, we haven't tackled in practice in three years.
They said, that's what I thought. They said, Guys going
to the ground, Guys studing up, guys tackling, getting to
the ground. That's how you have success in this league.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Not every day, not every you got seventeen games breaks,
not every day notice and to not tackling practice. It
all seems very strange. And what I love most of
what you said there is it's okay to admit what
you don't know, all right. So for example, you know
what is Joe Hollywood on here in a moment. I
don't know his world. He knows it like the back

(19:02):
of his proverbial hand. That's how you learn, too, That's
how you learn, Aaron Glenn, It's okay to come in
and say, you know what, I don't know everything. I'm
gonna lend my I want your expertise. Lend your expertise
to me so I can learn and grow a little bit.

Speaker 7 (19:15):
You know what happens And this is a great jumping
off point. The Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, three years ago they
go to the Super Bowl. Right, have an all great,
amazing offensive coordinator, becomes a head coach, and Stichen has
an amazing defensive coordinator becomes a head coach in gannet Well,
Nick Sirianni, Ye, well he can do it. It's him.
He's got the same team, he's got the talent. He

(19:36):
hires two bumps at the offensive defensive coordinator position to
hire a bunch of coordinators, thinking that you can do it,
they don't get it done. Nick Sirianni has to now realized,
I ain't smartest man in the room. It's not because
of me that the Philadelphia Eagles are this good. It's
because great coaching around it. What do you do? Let
me give it Fangio. He's smarter than me on defense.
Let me go get Kellen Moore smarter than me on offense.

(19:57):
Now you want the Super Bowl, So admitting is the
first step. I think that's what happened with Jim Harbaugh
his last three years Michigan.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
I do too.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
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You know how you meet somebody and immediately you have
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Oh thank you for that.

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So that's that's well played boys, well played. And both
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Joe Hollywood is the king of whatnot and he's fresh
off his visit from Chicago, where they had the largest
in the country. Dare I say the world of sports
and other paraphernalia where you can go and collect collectibles

(25:45):
and nobody has them like he does. And he joins
us here in the studio and the Braylen Evers show. Joe,
great to have you here in town, in this state
and inside Woodward Sports. Howorrio Bud.

Speaker 17 (25:55):
I'm doing great, really excited to be here, especially when
the show takes a paw and I hear the conversations
in between.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Sometimes that's stuff, it really is.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
Yeah, So before we get to show rock and rolling, man,
you got to tell the good people out there who
can't see the boot on your right foot, Man, you
got to tell them how you got that boot, because
I think it's a great story.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
It is.

Speaker 17 (26:15):
So what happened was we were raising money for the
North Texas Food Bank. What I'd like to do is
use my channel for good. And what I mean by
that is we love giving.

Speaker 6 (26:24):
Back to people.

Speaker 17 (26:25):
We love giving back to charities and organizations, and we've
done a few of them. We're one hundred percent of
the proceeds after the fees that we paid on the platform,
it all goes to that charity. So someone had made
a ten thousand dollars donation. I got excited. We're all
wearing cowboy hats. Lesson learned Guido shouldn't wear cowboy hats
and just wedding, you know, right now. So I went

(26:45):
ahead and started trying to do like a line dance
or a square dance with a couple of the other
people that were there, and I felt the like pop
and yeah, so felt the pop. That happened towards the
beginning of the show and we just got like a
bag of ice. They took electrical tape, taped it to
my leg and I finished the show with it. They

(27:05):
actually he has the pictures of it literally, so how
to do it?

Speaker 7 (27:09):
That's why I'm talking. We don't have to get you
to see doctor Pierce Man injury insider man.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
So we were just talking about the difference between being
hurt and injured. Joe was injured, and you can please
go to his channel. It's great stuff. He's got great content,
Joe Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
You can do that. And who did he have on recently?
Bo Jackson?

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Who else did he talk to recently? Dennis Robin, although
Joe did most of the talking. Who did Joe have
on recently? Chauncey Billups? There is that CONTI all the
guys that you want to hear from Joe Hollywood has
on his channel.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
We invite you to go to it.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Tell people about how you got started in this business.
It is a phenomenal and dare I say inspirational story?

Speaker 6 (27:49):
Well, thank you for that.

Speaker 17 (27:50):
And I have to tell you it's a crazy story
to me because I never imagined, first of all, even
speaking about my childhood passion and then being able to
utilize it and building a brand and building a channel.
So I grew up in a broken home, and when
I was you know, my dad left when I was four,
and when I was about seven or eight years old,

(28:11):
my grandfather bought me my first pack of baseball cards
and I was hooked. It was nineteen eighty five, I
was eight years old and went ahead and just started
my baseball car collection. I always said you, my baseball
car collection was going to mean so much to me.
And continue to collect these cards. Took a little bit
of a break for a couple of years when the
Internet started to become popular. Brailing you probably weren't even

(28:33):
born by then, aol, you know, and when you had
you little tone when you just to dial into the internet,
you a little beep.

Speaker 7 (28:40):
This thing is never gonna work, right, I remember nineteen
ninety four, ninety five.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
All right, I'm trying to give you a little credit here,
say that, but thank you. All right, you got it.

Speaker 17 (28:49):
So and then what would happen is you have these
chat rooms and let's say you wanted to collect Kobe
Bryant cards, all right, then you have to go to
a total stranger buy these cards from somebody you never met,
sent them a physical check, wait a week or two
for that check to actually clear, and then for them
to send the cards back. And some of the times,
you know, that money never came back to you. Sometimes

(29:10):
if you had an honest person, the cards came back
to you. That's how it was. Fast forward to where
we are now, moved down to Georgia. Lived in New York,
and I'm in Georgia and we're bouncing around Atlanta trying
to find a you know, a home or dream home
my wife and my three kids I absolutely love so much.
And we finally find a home that that that we love,
the home that you know, I'm going to retire in.

(29:32):
And now my wife finds out that I have all
these cards in storage and she sees, listened to me,
she had no idea the scope of the collection. And
so basically the movers are coming in and they took
all the stuff and they said to her, we need
another truck. And when that happened, it was there was
there was a little bit of an issue in the

(29:53):
Joe Hollywood house, and so we get all the we
get all the cards. They literally it's a Florida ceiling
and She's like, what are we gonna do.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
We're gonna start. We gotta start selling these things.

Speaker 17 (30:04):
And so we decided instead of having a rummage sale
or garage sale, we would do it online. We would
do it on Whatnot because it's an easy process, it's
a lot of fun, it's entertainment, great great people on
the platform. Ninety nine percent of the people on the
platform are unbelievable. And we started selling on the platform,
and for the first nine months, I probably have the

(30:24):
worst show on the platform. I was selling out of
on a ping pong table. I was selling on my
kids train table on the back wall was all cement
bricks in my gym, So it looked like I was
streaming from a prison. I mean, it was tough. And
so one thing led after another. People started to catch
on and grassroots, no Instagram following, no TikTok, no social media,

(30:44):
and now we have the number one show for sports
on that platform.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
That is awesome.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
I think the most impressive thing is your dad leaves
it ford, You're on food stamps. How are you making
your money to try and get more baseball cards and
sports cards in general?

Speaker 6 (31:00):
How to be gifts?

Speaker 17 (31:01):
And so that was the thing is, so when I'd
have a birthday, everyone would be like, hey, what do
you want for your birthday? And you have to remember,
cards weren't that expensive.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
Back then.

Speaker 17 (31:09):
They were thirty five cents a pack, forty cents a pack.
Now in nineteen eighty seven they were forty cents a pack.
So even though it wasn't that I mean, I know
the rate of inflation, right, but it still wasn't as
expensive as cards are now. Right, you go to a Walmart,
even a retail box, you're spending forty to fifty dollars, Yeah,
exactly right for a megabox or even a blaster box.

(31:29):
Sometimes twenty to thirty dollars. Back then it was a
lot cheaper.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Love it.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
So that's what I would ask for every year. Just
get me cards. That's all I wanted.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Random question. You say you start collecting cards in eighty.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Seven, Yeah, seventy five, eighty five my first one.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
Yeah, I start collecting cards around eighty nine to ninety.
You know, what were the couple of players that did
it for you like back then, because back then it
still was fun. Right now it's fun, but it's business.
Or what were the players that used to get you like, Okay,
I gotta Ricky Henderson, I gotta Nolan Ryan, I gotta
hoose Achnsako just because his last who were some of
the guys for you.

Speaker 17 (32:01):
It's so funny you said that. It really is and
we didn't talk about this before. This is Ricky Henderson
was my favorite player growing up, my absolute favorite player,
Like he is the person that got me involved in
baseball and literally involved with sports.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
He played for the New York Yankees. I grew up
in New York.

Speaker 17 (32:18):
He got traded for the Oh he listened, had snatch
catch in the outfield, idle the world about Ricky Henderson,
talked about himself in the third person.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
It was amazing. And then.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
Do the same thing.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
Go ahead. The Rickey stories are great.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah they are.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
Oh, it's it's it's it's unbelievable.

Speaker 17 (32:38):
And unfortunately he recently passed away, actually passed away, so
crazy stories. We're opening up a nineteen eighty box of
baseball and it's BBC certified rap, which means it's been
completely untouched. No one went through it to look for
the Ricky Henderson's and we're opening up the box and
somebody in my room says Ricky Henderson passed away, and

(32:58):
I'm like, there's no way this is happening, and I
don't believe it because it's late on a Friday night,
early Saturday morning, that saying Dave Winfield put something on
X and wouldn't you know it, a couple of hours later,
we've verified it.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
To being true.

Speaker 17 (33:11):
And it was the first time I ever opened up
nineteen eighty baseball on my show, and it was just like,
I just took a moment, because then you think about
it's like that that attachment that you have to the
athletes when you're growing up, and I think that that
same attachment, like that you have a Ricky Anderson, you
said that was your favorite player, my favorite player too.
That's how people are with their athletes and how it

(33:32):
goes into cards and memorabilia because they take that same
passion that they have for them and they said, hey,
we want to have what's called a PC, a personal collection,
and they really do admire those athletes because I think
a lot of people see themselves in those athletes, and
I think that's why it's so collectible and why it's
so attractive to so many people. And you know what
I love right now is that you're finally starting to

(33:52):
see a catch on in women's sports. There is such
a huge attraction right now, Caitlyn Clark Angel reach your
star to see it in the WNBA. They're finally starting
to get that recognition as well. It's awesome to say you're.

Speaker 7 (34:05):
Right about their personal connection. Obviously, I told you Ricky Henderson,
Nolan Ryan, and Ricky I mean Randy Johnson back at
the time. But I lived in Atlanta, so I was
born here, spent the first six years. I moved to
Atlanta in eighty nine, I was under eighty nine to
ninety four. Well, you know who was cooking with Greece
at that time is the Braves. When I would get
a don or, I would get a Dave Justice, or
I'll get any one of the four headed horsemen of

(34:27):
the pitching staff, whether it was Avery Smoke's, Glenn Maddox
or a Coward Jones, a young Chip at that time,
Young Chip Jones like I would go through the roof
seeing those jerseys and don't let it be the Braves
jerseys with the blue one hundred percent personal connection.

Speaker 17 (34:41):
Well, the Braves back then, I know those Braves teams too,
because that was really in the heart when I when
I was collecting, it was that big four. They had
that huge starting lineup, and then they had that closure,
which is Mark Wallers, who is now actually a real.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Estate agent in Atlanta. No kidding, absolutely hundred percent.

Speaker 17 (34:58):
So I remember those teams and when the Yankees, I'm
a Yankee fan, faced him in ninety six.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
That was I was. I have to tell you, I was.

Speaker 17 (35:05):
I was well intimidated going against that team, but we
pulled that out in six games.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Plus they had a dynamic center fielder and Andrew Jones,
one of the greatest hurdles of all time.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
So when you had a guy like Henderson in New York,
because you're a Yankees fan, what about when he played
for the Mets, did you actually root for the Mets
when he played first.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
No, nope, absolutely, I've learned that about New York. Not
to cut you off playing for the Jets. This is
tell me I'm wrong. You have Giants fans. They'll come
up to you say, hey, hey, we like you. I
was long rock with the Jets, like they'll like a player.
But you I never understood it. I said, you guys
got two teams. You legitimately both can go to the

(35:44):
Super Bowl and then you can choose who you want supports.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Why, I asked him, because you can, you can actually
root for a player, but not for the Mets.

Speaker 7 (35:51):
But it's about territory, yeah, like, and they stick to
the territories. I think that's how the fan base starts.
The territory of the city. There.

Speaker 17 (35:57):
You take a side, right, and take a side. And
if you like both teams. If you live in New
York and you say I like the Yankees and the Met's,
people don't even I don't think people really consider you
a really a true sports fan. If unless you're on
the radio right and you've got a couple of both teams.
I think that if you don't take a side, I
think people kind of look at you a little bit crooked.
In New York, it usually goes like this, Yankees, Giants.

(36:19):
Next is usually end Rangers, and that's usually.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
They're they're there. They're not the step children. No, the Jets,
the Long Island. Uh, it's freaking.

Speaker 11 (36:30):
Out Nets, Jets, Nets, the Nets look the Nets head Durant,
that Kyrie Irving.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
No one can James Harden.

Speaker 17 (36:41):
It's it was game six or Game seven against Milwaukee
in their building in Brooklyn.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
You could have heard a pin drop in there.

Speaker 17 (36:48):
If you're having that game in Madison Square Garden. I'm
telling you right now, you couldn't hear the person.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
Next year the shoe game.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
I do think the Knicks are probably the most overrated
framechies in sports.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
I think there's a lot of people who feel like
that there's some king of NBA, and I don't think
they're all that special.

Speaker 17 (37:08):
That's just my I can answer that you want, well,
there's a reason, and you have every right to feel
that way. Yes, they haven't won The Knicks haven't won
a CHIPS in seventy two to seventy.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Three, correct, right.

Speaker 17 (37:20):
And I actually just recently met will Clyde Frazier, one
of the nicest guys you'll ever meet in your entire life.
Actually sat down with my son Joe and just was
going through stuff. But yeah, everyone has the right to
feel that way. I mean, since nineteen seventy three, that's
a long time with it, fifty two years ago. I
haven't won anything in fifty two years. They got to that,

(37:40):
they got in there ninety three, ninety four, right, Patrick Ewing.
John Starks goes two for seventeen, two of eighteen. John
Stark's a great guy. Yeah, couldn't couldn't hit a shot
of that game. And and then after that again against
the San Antonio Spurs, and that team was loaded.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Do you like that they got rid of Tom Thibodeau.

Speaker 17 (37:57):
I got mixed feelings about due, you know, I have
mixed feeling really good for us, you know, I love
what Tom Tiboeau did for the culture of that squad
is exactly what we needed.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
We were, we were in.

Speaker 17 (38:06):
We had an albatross around on Next, I mean, we
went through David Fizdale, We went through Jeff for.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
You guys, are you guys are That's a good one.

Speaker 17 (38:18):
We went through we went through the litany of regurgitated coaches,
and like Kurt Rambis, Like listen, great, great, listen love
Kurt Rambis when he's wearing goggles on the Lakers, big fan. Right,
he went went to the Suns after that. I didn't
want to see him runing the triangle for the New
York Next, I'm sorry, like the triangle worked for the
Bulls because of one reason. His name was Michael Jordan.

(38:40):
And then the second reason his name was Scotty Pippett.
That's the reason why the triangle worked. If you try
in today's NBA, I'm sorry, I just don't think that
it works.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
I'm with you on that, all right.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Last thing for me regarding New York is I want
to talk more about your your channel and your business.
The Yankees are spiraling out of control. They've got Derek
Jeters every year.

Speaker 7 (38:59):
At this time and they figure it out.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
I don't recall them having this type of wayward travel
this time a year ago. But when you have all
time greats like Derek Jeter coming out publicly saying, you know,
they're they're just not playing good ball, They're not smart,
they're not being disciplined in things of that nature. Aaron Boone,
who I think is a really good dude, I do.

(39:24):
It doesn't mean that he's a great manager. They've got
some issues. What do you think the level of confidence
for Yankees fans is right now among American League teams,
not the World Series, American League teams.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
It's a great. Look. Here, here's the way that I'm
going to put it.

Speaker 17 (39:37):
They were very active at the trading deadline, and anytime
you have a team that's very active. At the trading deadline,
they picked up a few bats they had. They revamped
their entire bullpen. Although the guys came out and did
what that guy was doing in the bathroom when he
was knocking on the door with you this morning, right.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
Around doing I'm bringing it back full sarkle.

Speaker 17 (40:01):
Right, yeah, I mean it looks atrocious right now. But
they went to revamp that bullpen. I gotta tell you,
I remember the last time I remember the Yankees going
this strong after that bullpen. They won four World Series
after the last five in five years. It was from
ninety six to two thousand. Yeah, so you got to
give them a minute to gel and I think the
I'm gonna be with Brailan on this one. I think
end of August, early September. I don't want to roll

(40:23):
against the Yankees, not with a healthy Aaron Judge. Aaron
Judges is coming back today. He's been on that, he's
been on the I L for the last ten days.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
I think healthy Aaron Judge brings out everything together.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Right, doesn't That doesn't help Devin Williams. But I hear
what you're saying, fair.

Speaker 7 (40:36):
Enough, No, that's fair and that that comment right there
goes exactly to what I was gonna ask. When you
guys think about the Detroit Tigers, if you do, what
is the fuck right now with the Tigers playing like
they're playing the season?

Speaker 17 (40:46):
Well, first of all, you have one of my he
got a bad rap in New York Labor. You got
to understand, I'm a huge glaboratoristman, and I think Labor
is the real deal. I think he's gonna as long
as you guys keep him, I think he's going to
be the standard in the infield.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
I also got to tell you school Balls a real deal.

Speaker 17 (41:02):
I mean, oh my god, I mean, I mean I
love watching that guy pitch.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
So you see him Yankee pinstripes.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
I'm sorry both said you might see him in Yankee
pinstripes if they don't do something that I don't like.

Speaker 18 (41:13):
To hear that.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
I'm just saying I love hearing it. I love hearing it.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Don't tell me you weren't thinking it.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
You were thinking.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
You've been thinking about it. You've been thinking about it
for over a year. Okay, just because I said the
quiet part out loud doesn't mean you weren't nervous even
before I said that, can you stay with us for
another segment?

Speaker 17 (41:34):
Yeah, I would love to take it. I do want
to share one thing real quick, please do. The Pistons
were one of the reasons why I fell in love
with basketball.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
I love that. I want to hear more about that.
You know what, kool Aid's got to leave the booth.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
He's all louded up.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
That we're hungry for more information from no question from
Joe Holly.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
But but first, we're hungry.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
For Buddy's Pizza.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Oh that would be me.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
I was just gonna say everyone.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Do have to tell you this.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
I don't know if Joe's ever had Buddies pizza.

Speaker 17 (42:11):
We went that last night. I was just gonna say this.
We went last night, as in New York, the Buddies
last night. Hold on, It's all because of my assistant double.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
Pizza.

Speaker 17 (42:23):
He's like, you gotta go to Buddies. Okay, So we
go to Buddies. We order the the eight is the
eight square whatever they call it, Troy D Square, original crust,
original Buddy sauce, no fill, no just what right, got
the ministrony suit, and we did order macaroni and cheese,

(42:45):
which we still have almost the entire thing in the
fridge and just to try it.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
I'm telling you right now, incredible.

Speaker 17 (42:52):
Absolutely incredible. Love Buddies, that New York someone who loved
New York pizza.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yeah, but making it happen.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
You are right.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
I could not have said it any better, Buddies. I
couldn't have said it any better.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Than Joe Hollywood.

Speaker 7 (43:08):
There it is all right.

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Go set all kinds of comments in the chat, including
a legendary guest, Joe Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
It's awesome definitely to visit with him, the King of
what not.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Check out his channel and he was in Chicago recently
at the National Sports Card Convention in Chicago, and it's
it's the largest in the country. I believe it's coming
to Detroit in twenty twenty.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Seven or eight.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
I think it's in Chicago twenty twenty eight. Thank you
Jo and our ANSWM was there and you had a
chance to catch up not only Joe Hollywood, but with
a lot of other things that were going on.

Speaker 8 (49:03):
There right Absolutely, shep I appreciated. Uh.

Speaker 19 (49:06):
I was there last year and I got an opportunity
to meet Gary Vannerchuk.

Speaker 8 (49:11):
Gary Vee, the originator.

Speaker 19 (49:13):
Of v Friends cards, who happens to be a friend
of Braylan Edwards. So we put together a little clip
that we talked about it last year. Now fast forward
a year and I had a card that Braylan, and
I had him sign in studio last week, which I
got to bring to the show. Now I had two

(49:34):
people I had to meet at the National this year.
A I had to meet Gary, and then B I
had to meet Joe Hollywood.

Speaker 8 (49:42):
I'm gonna get to the reason why I needed to
meet Joe.

Speaker 19 (49:44):
In a second, but let's take a look a year
later at our follow up with Gary.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
Ve Braylon Edwards firmer Jet sign us in studio for our.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
Guy Gary, for you, just for you. I'm sure I've
seen him, I think say it on the podcast.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
I met Braylan day one after that trade at Kerry
Rose's house.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I got so much luck in brand like love what
you guys do.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
Thank you brother.

Speaker 19 (50:14):
So if you guys caught that man, you guys had
a party at Carrie Rhodes house apparently where that's where
you guys met Hey bray.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
Now, Carry was always doing things like he was kind
of like light years ahead in terms of branding yourself
off the field. That's actually in Invernally. We got him,
got him dismissed from the Jets. Rex was trying to
go in a different direction. He like all the off
the field stuff that Carry was involved in, and one
of the deals was Gary B. And he told me
about him and what he was. And so when I
got traded to the Jets, it was over at Carry's
house and Gary V was there and we were just vibing out,

(50:44):
you know, having a glass of wine and talking about life,
and I just saw the direction in which he was going.
So it's no surprise to me, you know, how how
big his motivational just everything that embodies what Gary V
is and the V Foundation. It's no surprise to me
that he built that thing up because I watched the passion,
you know, that day you're talking about two thousand and
nine in October, I want to say, and now fast

(51:04):
forward you know, sixteen sixteen, sixteen years later, he's still
doing his thing. Man, So I appreciate a memory in that.
You know, he's he's at another level now. So you know,
I'm saying, maybe good short.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
I like this story.

Speaker 19 (51:15):
And no surprising me after a year of him of
us getting on his radar.

Speaker 8 (51:22):
He is a fan of Woodward Sports.

Speaker 19 (51:23):
Now he told me that he's been watching and I said, well,
me and Bray need to get you out there to Detroit.

Speaker 8 (51:29):
He said that he'll make that happen, So we'll dial
that in for you, guys. Woodward.

Speaker 19 (51:34):
However, I found this what Not app a year and
a half ago. Now, if you're not familiar with what
what not is, they call it commerce tainment, and for
the last five to seven years in China, this has
been the number one way of selling goods. Think of
QVC when you were younger, mixed with Instagram Live or TikTok,

(51:56):
so you have a built in function where you can
actually be buying cards or comics, vintage clothing, electronics. The
app is endless. If you want to buy it, you
can find it there. But when I got onto this
app just almost about two years ago, I ended up
on Joe Hollywood stream and now Joe Hollywood. He is

(52:17):
breaking some of the most rarest and vintage boxes sets
nineteen eighty six, first year Fleer basketball, you know, the
OPG seventy nine, Wayne Gretzky stuff. He goes way back
and he's got the best product there, but he also
has the best audience there. Over the last year and

(52:37):
a half, I've watched him absolutely explode and become the
true undisputed king of Whatnot.

Speaker 8 (52:44):
Now, a quick story before we get back to Joe.

Speaker 19 (52:47):
He ended up in one of my early streams, which
as a young streamer, that's a huge honor.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
So he comes in.

Speaker 19 (52:54):
Not only did he just tip me and give me money,
which is a function on the whatnot site, bought a
bunch of cards for me, including a Dennis Rodman Rookie
which I didn't really want to give up.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
But it was Joe Hollywood. I had to sell it.

Speaker 19 (53:08):
So after he purchases all that, he says, take everything
I just purchased and put it in the giveaway for
somebody else in the chat and keep the Dentis Rodman
for yourself and give it to one of your kids
one day. Since then, I told Stick about this guy.
You guys all know our fearless leader Stick, and I
told him I'm going to have him on Woodward And

(53:31):
sure enough I looked from all day Saturday, found him
towards the end of the show on Sunday. He remembered me,
gave us a great clip which if you guys saw
on Twitter. We were excited to have him on the
show today. Here he is in Detroit, made it time
out of it, took time out of his day to
come and see us. Joe, I've been manifesting this for
a year and a half. I can't thank you enough

(53:51):
for your inspiration getting me just dialed in on whatnot
seeing it as my future, and obviously a huge thank
you for making it out today. We got to hear
though about your Piston's background.

Speaker 17 (54:05):
My friend, Well, I'm just as grateful right to be
here with this opportunity, being with Chef on the Braid
Lin Edward Show, talking sports, talking about cards, talking about
social selling, talking about what the future is going to hold,
and things that I genuinely absolutely love. I mean, what
an amazing job this is, like, this is something that

(54:26):
is incredible. You have the opportunity to share your opinions
and your observations to people that are genuinely just as
interested as you are about sports, and I'm not sure
it gets any better than that.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Let me ask you this, though, how can you never
win the media route? Considering your passion for sports, your
knowledge of sports well spoken, obviously frase your opinions will
why wouldn't you take that route? In addition to what
you're doing now with all the collecting.

Speaker 17 (54:54):
Never too old, shef, I'm never too old to that,
So maybe this is.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
The spr.

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Chef Carmelo Anthem.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
He called me whatever he wants, and he'll call me
ale lot worse than that, tru I know, maybe the
springboard that is. It's really cool, man. What I love
most about, you know, our little conversation here and even
during the commercial breaks, is when I'm not interrupting, Ricky,
is the the passion that you have. But also you

(55:26):
know the versatility that we can go. I mean you
Braylan and I have talked baseball, we talked football, we
talket basketball. It's it is interesting that you have a
love for the Pistons.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
A little bit.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
How did they create that passion for the game of
basketball for me?

Speaker 17 (55:39):
So we couldn't afford cable, right, so I have one
of those little people. Can't do that now, Joe. Well,
back in the eighties it was definitely a lot more expensive.
That definitely a lot more rare than where it is now. Right,
And so had the Rabbit Ears on the TV, and
I remember them talking about Vinny the microwave Johnson and

(56:02):
I thought it was awesome, but we didn't have a
microwave in our house. And I'm like, oh my god.
They called this guy the microwave I gotta find out why,
and like, well, he heats up real quick, and I
was like, wow, that is really cool. And then I
started learning about the team they trade. They traded for
Mark Aguire, they made that acquisition, and how they were
talking about that for Adrian Dantley and and and just

(56:24):
building that team with John Sally and Bill Lane Bia
the bad Boys, Rick Mahorn, Isaiah Thomas, Joe Dumars and
to me, that was a basketball team like that was
a solid up and down basketball team. They fought, they
had grit, they didn't back down from the bulls. And
you have to understand, I'm probably the biggest Michael Jordan

(56:45):
and Kobe fan you'll ever meet.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
And even though they always slaughter the Knicks, but.

Speaker 7 (56:52):
I'm sorry, became a fan. You got to see it
in person.

Speaker 17 (56:55):
I'm gonna I gotta stay with my next Listen. There's
one thing about me, it's the loyalty.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
I don't blame you. Yeah, for you, I applaud that.
I would only say this as a Detroiter. Okay, Braylen
can disagree. I'm not sure you can be a Pistons
fan and a Michael Jordan fan. Considering what he said,
about that era of Pistons basketball. People roll the rye
shake their heads at me because I say this far
too often. When you're gonna come out and I think
he's the greatest basketball player I've ever seen. But yeah,
but when you're gonna come out and you're gonna say

(57:20):
Pistons were not good for basketball, screw you.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
So that's why I have a hard time.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Okay, that's a really challenging time for me because I
have to admit he's the best of all time. But
when you say that about my favorite team, and a
team that legitimized championship one back to back could easily
won three in a row and have some of the
greatest players in the history of the sport, and to
keep their star player off the Olympic team really bothers
me even to this day.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
And I gotta let it accept my spirit foreigner.

Speaker 7 (57:48):
I just wanted to create a foreign A row could
have been foregn a round could have been for a round.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Well, they played for three championships in a row. I
think the quite honestly, I think the eighty eight team
was their best team. Yeah, okay, and that's when they
got the phantom call on Lambier, and I don't. I
don't want to get into it, but you understand where
I'm going with, know what I'm saying. Yeah, But I
love your passion. I respect the hell out of it.
I love that you love your teams because if I
were in New York on your show, this is what

(58:13):
I'd be talking about with my teams, right And I
love certain things about New York. I really respect what
the Yankees do at Yankee Stadium. I've said this forever
at nauseum. The Monument Park is fantastic. This is a
franchise that is the most championships of any sport in

(58:33):
North America. And they even though they got guys who
are not Hall of Famers, there's a chance for young
people to go out and learn about Don Mattingly, who
should be in the Hall of Fame. By the way,
I don't know why more teams don't do that.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
They should. They should copy that, like the Tigers should
copy that.

Speaker 17 (58:49):
I think a lot of teams don't copy it because
everyone looks at it as a Yankee thing. They basically
branded it, and I think that when when you have
other teams, when they see that, they want to build
their own identity. They want to build their own brand.
I agree with you, it would be really cool to
see some of the players that aren't in the Hall
of Fame that might or that are fringe Hall of

(59:11):
Famers but are really something special to the team. That
would be amazing. I don't think. I think you're going
to see it in a different direction. I also think
that as sports popularity becomes even stronger, and it is.
I think we're we're seeing sports popularity at all time
highs right now, especially when you include women's sports. When
you see this, I think you're going to see more

(59:33):
and more teams try to develop that identity, but they
feel like a lot of teams just don't have that identity.
And that is why when we're talking about the Pistons,
when you said Michael Jordan didn't like that they were
bad for basketball, I think what he really meant to
say it was bad for his brand of basketball because
he had a fight, He had a grind against those guys.

(59:53):
They never made it easy on him. You know, as
a Knicks fan, I remember this very classic Jordan cut
where he's head to head with Xavier McDaniel, Yes right,
and McDaniel head far in the headbutt against each other
and then the Jordan says, you know what he says
to Xavier McDaniel.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
If you don't watch it on YouTube.

Speaker 17 (01:00:12):
And I loved Xavier McDaniels for that because he didn't
back down from Michael Jordan. And then of course he
signs with the Boston Celtics, and my love for him
just dissipated.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Charles Charles Oapley was a nick but he was also
a bull that was Michael's best friend and still is
Michael's best friend.

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
Yeah, well he was. Yeah, he was the enforcer. He's
gonna protect Mike.

Speaker 17 (01:00:31):
And by the way, Charles Oakley one of the nicest
guys you'll have to meet. Actually met him with my son,
signed a napkin for my son in the middle of
like god knows where. And then a week later I
saw him in the airport and he and he looked
at me and just smiled. He's like, I can't believe
I'm running into you again. His ranta to Charles Oakley
three times in two weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:00:46):
Here's a great here's a great Michael Jordan Charles Oakley story.
And this story might make you not like Michael Jordan
even that much more. I'm in Miami has to be
around two thousand and nine and two thousand and eight
with a friend of mine, my boy Larnell. So we're
playing spades at the Fountain Blue, playing at the pool
party and the Fountain Blue plays some spades, getting after
one of my boys who was like a party promoter

(01:01:07):
deal out there. He said, Man, I got Mic over
here in the suite and you know in cabana. We
want to come over here. I said, yeah, I'm what
Mike you talking about? He said, Mike, Mike. I said,
that's only one Mike. You must be MJ. So I said, sure,
we go over there. He said, what's going on Cleveland? Right? Yeah,
sit down, you play some spades. So we play spades,
as me and my boy learned, Nel versus Oak and Jordan.

(01:01:29):
That's swear to guy told this story a million times. Firsthand,
we destroyed Mike. First hand. We almost ran to Boston.
It's eleven to two, eleven to two, and I'm sitting
next to Oak. Oaks from Cleveland already know Charles Oakley
because he's from Cleveland. He used to hang on the
flats when I first got drafted. Oak leaned over. He said,

(01:01:50):
I shouldn't have done that. So now I'm watching as
Michael Jordan's in the spades game is cheating on purpose.
If you know how to play spade, he's legitimately cutting
the first heart to be played, after like three cards
have been played with a three of spades, he turned
around and played that three of spades two hands later.

(01:02:11):
Because it's because it's Mike, nobody's gonna say anything. And
I lean over to Oak, I'm like, oh, he just
cheated out that. He said, let him do it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
He said for money.

Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
We weren't playing. We weren't playing for money, Like we
weren't playing for money. Like that's like when one of
them said weren't playing for money. He's out there teating
because we beat them so bad the first game. He's
now cheating. This is like, my guy is Mike, but
I'm so conflicted. Really good, no, no, no, But the
story gets better though, because now looking at the story

(01:02:43):
this way, I actually don't mind that my boy said
this part. So now as we lost that game, we
end up losing the next one, and then after I
was done, I'm playing anymore. My boy, Larnell told Michael
Jordan to his face, he said, you know, I always
wanted to tell you this. I think Kobe is a
better player. When he said it, then you know I

(01:03:06):
was pissed. Then I'm like, yo, like, why would you
tell that Michael Jordan? First of all, I let you
sit down next to Michael Jordan. This is what you
say now looking back at this story, you know, sixteen
years later, good for you. I want good for you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
I want to sit next to Joe Hollywood. That's how
much I can't believe you was a competitor allowed him
to cheat and get away with it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
First of all, it's easy for y'all to sit here
and say that, Look, this is Michael Jordan. He's the
greatest basketball player, griss athlete ever. At that time, I'm
sitting down, I'm in his presence. No, I don't care
that he's cheating, because you know what, we're not playing
for money, So why I'm a situation. Damn, Mike, you're
gonna cheat me? No, this is mj Fast forward. I
saw Michael Jordan three years later at an All Star
event which I had no ticket to get into. Mike

(01:03:47):
remembered me, got me in, and my dad and my
boys set us in the suite and took care of us. Now,
should I really have pointed out that he cheated in
the game. I really didn't care about. I really cared
to be in his presence. If we're playing for yes,
I disagree, agreed to disagree. Mike took care of my dad.

(01:04:09):
Because now, because now if I'm arguing the security come over,
I'm like, man.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
That's a great point.

Speaker 8 (01:04:16):
That's a great cheated.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Who's who are they going to take the side of.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
Good? Take yourself right over here and get a body
or so he cheated. It is what it is. So
I got the story.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Yeah, And and Jordan is the greatest basketball player of
all time. Bo Jackson could arguably be the greatest athlete
of all time.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Joe Hollywood had him recently on his channel. What did
you learn about bow that maybe you didn't know before?

Speaker 17 (01:04:44):
I actually asked him, And by the way, Bo was terrific.
He was absolutely terrific. I had no idea what to expect,
but he just he just reminded me of a really
down to earth, great person. And so I asked him.
I asked him, I said, what was it? And actually
it's starting to viral right now. I asked him on stage,
I said, what was it about Yankee Stadium that always

(01:05:07):
made you torture us? Because he I mean he hit
three home runs in a game. I mean he would
just I mean he would throw people out at home
plate that had no business even running on his arm.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
I remember watching this as a kid.

Speaker 17 (01:05:19):
I loved Bo Jackson in eighty seven. That Future Stars
card was one of my favorite cards ever. He said
it was it wasn't New York, and it wasn't the stadium,
and it wasn't you guys, it was the owner. And
he starts talking about what happened with Steinbrenner. What happened
was is George didn't want him to go to college.
He wanted him in the outfield, and he wanted and

(01:05:40):
according to Bo, he said he wanted both of Jackson's
in the outfield, and Bo said, no, I wanted to go.
He was eight to ten and he was determined to
go to college. And I guess they had a little
bit of a little friction, and that's motivated Bo to
do even better at Yankee Stadium. Yeah, great, he said
it live. He said it was like one of the
first he's ever admitted that, and it was very cool,

(01:06:01):
and he did it on the main stage of the
National which is the largest car collecting universe you could
ever possibly imagine, from what Not to fanatics to everywhere
in between. You're going to have somebody that is part
of the hobby that's going to be there. I mean,
you're talking about tens upon tens of thousands of people

(01:06:22):
that are there on a daily basis. And he's finally
saying that it was just it was mesmerizing.

Speaker 7 (01:06:27):
Players can tap into something extra. It's weird because then
people are always like, well, why can't you be like
that all the time. It's rare. It's when your mind
is like, this is what I have to do in
these moments. The Miami Dolphins told me they were gonna
draft me in two thousand and five, I thought I
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Let me ask you this question because we didn't really
get a chance to talk much about the Lions preseason game.
I'm not going back to over all these different things
in the quarterback situation. We can talk about that later
in the week. But I do want your your take
on Dominic Lovett and Isaac Teslaw, not whether or not
they're gonna make the team. Teslaw is gonna become, I

(01:18:16):
think a starter. I've said this for a while, but
how you judge rookie wide receivers in what most would
consider a meaningless game.

Speaker 7 (01:18:25):
Yeah, it was a meaningless game in terms of score,
in terms of the first, second team, and all that
kind of thing. I did not like the turnovers. I
did not like the mistakes. I mean, that was a
big thing that we said. It doesn't matter who's playing,
you still wanted to represent what you are, the Detroit
Lions and now one of the best teams in the NFL.
I don't care who's out there. I still wanted to
look like they watch film. I still wanted to look
like they take it serious. So outside of that, no

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stake placed in the game. But you'll talk about that
that has some skills coming out of Georgia. He's a
receiver that I paid attention to. He had two drops.
One was kind of a fifty to fifty ball that
was taken from him, so you got to make those
players at this level. Another one was just a pure drop.
But he has some great rock running. But let me,
I say great, we put great on everything. We quick
to say you lead. He was a good rock runner,

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efficient rock runner. He was in the spots he was
supposed to be. He had separation that he was supposed
to have, So I like that. I think the Lions
are in the market for another guy kind of like
amar ros Say Brown, but that can wiggle a little bit,
that can move and do some things. So it was
interesting like what I saw, want to see more. I
don't want to see the drops that. I don't want

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to see him happen again. But tesla as you say,
you got to write that time at least, I think
I'm excited to see how he grows because I think
they can use some good things with him. He's a
big frame. He catches with his hands. I always say
that because that's important. You can catch the ball with
your hands, you can catch all the other stuff. You
can catch when the balls on your body, or when
you're in traffic, or when you got to go over
top of somebody. That's another thing. They don't have that

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big white out to go over top. I know Tim
Patrick is a taller ride receiver, but we're looking for
that guy that can make a play in the crowd,
looking for that guy that can do something spectacular. But
it's not spectacular him because that's how he's built. And
I started to like that. And he finishes the play
like when you see him in practice. He's catching the pass,
he's taking the ball to the end zone. He doesn't
care what's going on if for some traffic, he's bumping guys,

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run through guys, and he's finishing at the house. They
use as they used to say, that's good practice, because
where do we want We want to be an end
zone And this is a guy that tries to get
to the house and he did that in the game
as well, finished through players. So excited for him, excited
to see his game one but he's showing up in
the games like he's showing up in practice. You see

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the practice film, you get excited about the practice film.
Two catches forty two yards last time I checked, that's
over twenty yards of catch. Those are big plays. That's
why they brought him in here.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
I like toises blocking downfield too. If you're gonna be
a wide receiver on this team, about you have to
embrace a willingness to block. I mean, you did that
in your career. He's a lot like that, at least
early on.

Speaker 7 (01:20:55):
You gotta love it. I like punishing dbs. I love
punishing little safeties. Hell, it's been a couple time. That's
Smack Clay Matthews and a couple of those offside linebackers
coming off the edge back. When you could do it
that way, you gotta love it because you know it's
a part of the game. Now you know it's a
part of the game. Dave Montgomery will be in there.
You will be in short yardage and go as a
big wide receiver like excuse me, Jamior Gibbs. He's gonna

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get his touches this year. Last time I checked, they're
talking about him getting more touches they're gonna have you
in there. Can you come down in the motion and
crack out on the outside linebacker? Can you do that?
He seems like he wants to do that, he cares
to do that. So I like that because those games
when you're not getting passes, those games where you're not
having you know, two catches a half or you get

(01:21:37):
a touchdown, or players are going your way, you gotta
find a way to stay in gaze. Remember the infamous
too quote from years ago to drops a pass on
fourth down at the end of the game. I think
he was in Dallas. Well, if they would have came
to Maryler, I would have gotten into a rhythm. Yeah,
it's not about rhythm. The rhythm is Look, the ball
comes when it comes. This is the NFL. And I wish,

(01:21:58):
I know you wish he could have that comment back.
The ball comes when it comes, and it may not
come to you, especially as a rookie, because I got
to get down of my run, saying round fourteen hundred yards,
I have to get Jamison Williams eleven hundred yards. I
gotta get Jamo. I have to get Sam Laporta. I
insert player that is gonna get the ball. So when
it comes, make plays much like a young Puka Nikola did,

(01:22:19):
and he kind of saw where that one. I think
that's what we hope this is going. He looks like
he has the hair, he has the physicality, he has
the bill, he's he's a project. If you will, We're
all hoping it's it's okay to say it out loud.
We all want him to be the next Cook oh Man.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Since pounds you trade up to get him, and it's
a third round choice. I have said my philosophy has
always been this in the NFL, my first, second, and
third rounders should be starters. Everybody else if their depth
or special teams. Guys like Dan Jackson's probably out for
the year. It was a seventh round pick out of
Georgia's a safety that stinks. But if I was relying

(01:22:58):
on a seventh round pick to be really, really good,
I could have an issue. A Sanine is a guy
who is a six round choice, people feel like, oh,
he's gonna really provide a lot. If I'm relying on
a sixth round pick, and I know there are exceptions
to the rule, there's a bit of an issue. But
the first three rounds, those guys should be starters, and
I believe Isaac Teslaw for what they've invested to get him,

(01:23:22):
will be a starter for this team before all of
a sudden done. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
Look, they moved up, and this is not the first
time Brad Holmes has moved up. When he moves up,
we're very we pay attention to those moves. Jamior Gibb
had to work, Jameson Williams had to work. Still hasn't
all the way panning out, but it's starting to look
like it's panning out. Giovanni Mineu that was another project
he did things for that has to work because when
these things don't happen, these are things that people can
point to. And it's not being petty. It's not pointing

(01:23:48):
to small things. You made a major move that's got
to pay off because what you saw, if you didn't
see it the right way. Do you know what you're doing?
Do you know what you're doing? I agree, first round,
you better start that year. Second round, you better start
before the year's over. And third round, they brought you
in to replace a guy that's on his way out,
so you better start by the time that next season starts.

(01:24:09):
I agree to one of them.

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
Do you think Tim Patrick understands that.

Speaker 20 (01:24:12):
Yeah, with what's going on with the slot, Understanding it
is not is not the same as not fighting against
it or accepting it one under exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
He knows what the move is and what the thought
process is. But at the end of the day, does
that stop the way he prepares, Like, is that gonna
stop the way he catches on the drug machine after practice?
That he pays attention to detail when he gets his
opportunity because Jared Goff he found him last year and
they found the rhythm. He replaced Josh Reynolds in that
sense with Tim Patrick, So if he's still putting in
the work. It comes with the territory. I've been on

(01:24:43):
the team and they draft the young receiver and you're like, uh,
here we go, you know, and you can take it
one of two ways. It ain't anybody gonna take my spot.
Guess what your spot will get rand and you will
be on the street looking for a job.

Speaker 16 (01:24:55):
And you know what, you know that we all out
here Lions where we're gonna overreact or underreact everything in
preseason with Isaac Tesla, though, what is it that you're
looking forward to seeing in preseason game two.

Speaker 7 (01:25:07):
I want to start seeing him learn the nuances of
being a wide receiver. Same thing we talked about with Jamo,
Same thing we talked about with Jamo. I want to
see the nuances like he didn't get a chance to
be a wide out. Can he run a comeback at
eighteen put his foot in the ground and come back
to the sideline. Can he run the dig at fifteen
to eighteen yards and understand what the windows are? Here's
cover two. You can't run that all the way across

(01:25:29):
because here comes the interception. You gotta find the window
to sit down. If it's man, you got to keep
it on the move and keep Can he run that?
Can he adjust and understand? All right, I'm on the
inside slot of this. This is a two way route.
If it's covered two, I bang I take a twelve
yard corner route. If it's not, then I got to
run a skinny post on that. Can he understand those concepts.
He knows how to be an athlete, he knows how

(01:25:49):
to catch the ball, he knows how to do a
lot of little little things. We've got to dial him
into the actual art of being a wide receiver. So
that's what I want to say, as we get the
week two of preseason, Week three preseason and then the
beginning of the season, can he start turning that corner
and look like he's been coached up. Can he look
like he's been working with amar R Saint Brown? Can

(01:26:10):
he look like you know what, Tim, you better watch
a job because Tim Patrick is no slouts right now. Yeah,
he's no slops.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
That is great insight, man, great knowledge, because I think
too many times what we do is we look at
wide receivers and we're like, Okay, run the go route,
run the post, run the drag route. No, you've got
to recognize how the defense is playing. So you and
the quarterback are recognizing the same thing. To run the
proper route and find the proper window for your quarterback

(01:26:39):
to get you the football.

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Also, too, is all your running is a go route.
They know that an a scotary report, which means did
he be in the secondary? They will sit on that side,
They will sit dere. You'll never get the ball there.
Now we're wasting plays.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
That's why I can't stand the whole Well, Jamison Williams,
here's what he provides. You could take the top off
that he's gonna be able to do more than just run,
because there's a lot of guys in the history of
the sport who have been able to run. But some
of the best wide receivers of all time weren't necessarily
known for their speed, right, I mean, Jerry Rice is
a different category. See see if Largent wasn't known for

(01:27:12):
his speed, that's for damn sure, right. I mean, there
are guys who are just really good wide receivers because
they think the game is similar to the guy who's.

Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
Throwing them the football. You know what I'm saying that,
But that's work you got to put in. See, not
everybody's willing to put that work in. There are a
lot of guys like you're talking about that do a
lot better in this NFL than guys that have the ability,
Guys that come in with the four to three and
are six y three and the blah blah blah. So
many people have spent time telling them how great they are.
Their guys give to the whatever position you play, you

(01:27:43):
don't put the work in, and you get out work
and you get passed by. When you watch film, film
won't lie to you. Film won't lie to your mind.
When you when you can see that in real time,
make adjustments because you've been watching a ton of film. Now.
It makes Wes Welcome that much faster now, it makes
Cooper Cup that much faster now, it makes hins War

(01:28:04):
that much faster, or in that spot because they know
where to be, because they're studying with Ben Roethlisberger, they're
studying with Matt Stafford, they're studying.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
With the Goat. Yeah, that's really good stuff, man, I
mean it's it's one of those another thing about football
that sometimes we don't always really truly comprehend, and we
need to refresher on that from athletes and from people
who have done it and lived it, like like Brayln Edwards.
There is a concern for the Lions, and I think
it's a fair concern. We'll get to that right after

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this from our friend Ricky.

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Speaker 7 (01:30:25):
Oh my god, that's yeah, mean let's go. But that's
how it is here. You want representation, you want your
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Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
To the.

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
Fandoms unbelievable. It's so hard to separate the heart and
the mind in sports.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Don't you think it really.

Speaker 7 (01:30:42):
Is both lines. That's why I'm so glad that I
didn't grow up a die hard Lions fan. So when
I sit on this desk and I have conversations like,
it's not from me, it's not from a biased space,
it's not from a no I understand both sides. You
know what I'm saying. This is giving you logic. The
only team I'm probably unlogical or illogical in Detroit is

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what I think the Raider Wings can be. And I
even finally gave up on that. Noah, everybody else Tigers,
I call it like I see, I'm a diehard Tigers fan,
die hard Pistons fans. Growing up of it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
To you, I pride myself on being able to separate
my emotions and what I truly believe in what I think.
I think that's really important to have that. All the
Detroit teams are my favorite teams, period, and no team
is even close. It doesn't mean that I don't think
that some of their players can be better, some of

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the organization can be better.

Speaker 7 (01:31:40):
Coach.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
I love Riley Green. I think he is one of
At the beginning of the year, I called him the
best left fielder in baseball. He has not been the
best left fielder in baseball this year. That doesn't mean
I don't like him, doesn't mean I don't root for him,
doesn't mean I don't root for the Tigers. Has nothing
to do with that. It is about understanding what you're
watching at times. So for example, this is what we're

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talking about folks on ESPN with people I don't know, uh.
They are choosing the best NBA players twenty five years
or younger. Victor Webbin Yama is number one. Does anybody
argue with that? I hope not all right? Anthony Edwards
is number two? Does anybody argue with that. I sure

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as hell hope not. Cade Cunningham came in at number four.
That's quite a compliment, again by a guy I don't know.
It's just his thought. Kool Aid's out taking pictures of it.
This is fantastic.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
I'm so happy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Yeah, Pello Ban Carrol Ben Carol is three. Yeah, he
was three. You can understand why those three guys were
considered one, two and three, can't you. I would hope
so I could.

Speaker 7 (01:32:52):
And then they had the guys that got left off
of the list would be Singoon, it would be Evan Mobley,
he'd be Chet Holmgren as one of those guys that
left up. Yeah, that's fine, that's Williams.

Speaker 6 (01:33:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
I don't think I put Cooper flag above Evan Mobley
right now, but that's just me or saying.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
I wouldn't either, Yeah, because he hasn't proven it. I
don't even think he should be on the list.

Speaker 7 (01:33:12):
He doesn't even have a position. I know basketball is
a policit a positionless sport right to a certain extent,
But he's a guy that's trying to figure out what
the hell he's going to be. Like, his offensive skills
set ain't like that. His defense is probably the best
thing that he does realistically. He's an athlete that will
figure it out. He don't belong on that list.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
Yeah, we're putting the proverbial card before the horse. This
is not though.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
Injuries are always concerned in football, in sort especially, but
especially in football. So Ricky was going crazy that the
Jets were tackling for the first time in three years
in practice. That is well, and when you got seventeen games,
you know this better than anybody. Your your body hurts.
Your body still might feel it today because of the
collision sport. I mean, it's a crash dummy, right, But

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enis Rakestraw is out for at least, in Dan Campbell's words,
out for a long time.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
Dan takes his head off his graduated when he said it, I.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
Didn't say his only tail. Okay, if that's the tell,
he's at the poker table. He's at the poker table.
Here comes and Braylan's saying, you know what, I'm gonna
call you because I think you're bluffing when when you
got a guy in the second round and a guy
who's supposed to be a death guy, and at times
I would guess at least in the conversation to take
over a starting spot. And if you lose one of

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those guys, this is a blow to this team where
we've seen a lot of injuries to this team. Is
this just coincidence? What do you think it is?

Speaker 7 (01:34:37):
This is one of those things where you're grasping a
straw trying to figure it out. Are they overly practicing?
Is it just the guy that he drafted. We know
Brad Holmes tends to draft guys that have been injured
a time or two. We've gotten that before. It's his
second round curse, with the exception of Brian Branch of
Sam Laporte, Josh Pascal, here we go and his Racetra
here we go right like, But I just don't know

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what it is.

Speaker 13 (01:34:59):
Like.

Speaker 7 (01:34:59):
This is one of the those things where I hope
it's he figures it out. But you got hurt last
year with the growing You got hurt last year with
the hamstring. He's hurt right now with the hams. These things,
the chest injury is what.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
Drills.

Speaker 7 (01:35:13):
Yeah, sometimes you press, sometimes you press like, I don't know,
I wasn't an individual. He got injured like that. I
told him a c L and my meniscus, But I
don't know, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
When do athletes look at others and say that dude
could be injury prone? I hate that phrase.

Speaker 13 (01:35:30):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
I can't stand it. I think we use it for
guys we don't necessarily like Like I love Carry Carpenter.
I think he's an awesome dude. That bomb last night,
two for four, hitting left, hitting, hitting lefty, hitting the left,
hitting the lefties better better than most people thought, much
better than he did earlier in his career. I think

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he should be in the lineup every single day. He's
ever played more one hundred and thirteen hundred and fourteen games. Okay, yeah,
so that's those are receips here. Nobody says that about him.
They say it about Rightley Green, though, and he's played
one hundred and thirty seven in his career.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
So a year ago they explored me with these things.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
So I'm wondering why and if what do you athletes
ever say that about others?

Speaker 7 (01:36:15):
They say that about guys they don't necessarily see put
the work in. I don't know those individuals they put
the work in, Exactly's what I'm saying. I don't know
what's going on, but usually when a guy says that,
or a teammate says that about a player. They're always
hurt in there, always like doesn't seem like they're putting
an injury. They're doing the bare minimum. They get hurt,
a little bit of ice here. They're late to treatment,
they don't get extra treatment. They're not living in a

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treatment room. They're not in the weight room doing the
exercises that you can that will help you along the
way once they get healthy. They're not doing the things
once again. And then you see them in there yet again,
you know, and they just they irk you. You know,
when you see guys working out, like I saw Chris Jenkins,
who sung with the University Michigan's on the national championship team,
and when I was with the Jets, he was an

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older player, but Chris stayed in there. He stays he's
a big dude, but he stayed in the equipment room,
I mean the training room, getting treatment. I saw him
in the weight room. I would see him doing little rehab,
little prehab deals because he had some new things and
he was doing everything that he could to be on
the field. I saw him in film studies. I saw
him working with the young defensive linemen see only Pull

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and some of those guys, he's doing everything he could,
like just when he goes on the field, he gets
injured towards ACL one year, I was there towards meniscus,
another year towards labor. Like some guys, but because of
what you see, that's the guy you just pray for.
You pray for everybody, but that's a guy in what
you like. Let me wrap my arms around you, because

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I know it just can't be good for you. Some
guys are just going through the motion and they get hurt,
and you're like, I wonder why you're hurt. I wonder
why you're hurt. You're out all night, you're not putting
in the work. You know, you're not doing a little things.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
So certain things you recognize. You just brought up Michigan
preseason coaches.

Speaker 10 (01:37:57):
Pull.

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
They're fourteen overrated, underrated in your mind going in. First
of all, let me just say this, I hate preseason polls.
I think it's a joke.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
You don't know what hates a lot serious.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
You don't know a damn thing about these teams. We
need a segment for such well, no, we really, we
don't know a damn thing about these teams.

Speaker 7 (01:38:17):
You don't know now because of all the transfer port
and the nil. But but back in the day you knewe.
Like back back in the day, you're going into the sea, you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
Lose a lot of guys, You lose a lot of guys,
and you're thinking there's gonna be some type of bull
crap momentum carryover because at the end of the year
you beat Ohio stated in Alabama.

Speaker 7 (01:38:37):
So you're talking about from Michigan.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
I'm just talking about for Michigan, right.

Speaker 7 (01:38:40):
Yeah, fourteen fourteen's fine, Like at the end of the day,
do I really care? No, it's fourteen. It's not ten,
it's not seven, it's fourteen. Like, fourteen is very attainable.
Like to be fourteen, you can lose three games. And
what Michigan is I believe that they hate three is
the three is floating where I think they'll be. I
think there'll be nine and three to ten and two.

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That's just me. I think it's it's fair Bryce Underwood,
that would be the only thing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
What will he be?

Speaker 7 (01:39:07):
I think even with Bryce, if Bryce doesn't work out
in the beginning and they make a move and there's
still two, three, lost team fourteen's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Yeah, it's it's such a tough team to get a
handle on because you lose Kenneth Grant, Mason Graham up front,
Will Johnson on the back end. Even though it in
Peace's at a camp. He's had a good camp.

Speaker 7 (01:39:25):
Will Johnson's having a camp. Receivers out there in Arizona
can't get off the line of scrimmage. Marvin Harrison Junior,
Sorry son, same thing that happened when you was in arbor.
Will is locking it down up there. Kudos to him
because he slipped in the draft and I want him
to make his mark and let him know. You know,
sometimes injuries they are real deal.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Yeah, me too. I think he's a really good guy
and always root for the locals right gross points South,
So good for him. And then Colston Lovelin. I mean,
you've that's a lot of talent, not to mention the
two running backs you with a picture of you and
Donovan Edwards earlier, Kalo Mullings. That's a lot of talent
to try and replace. So that's why I wonder overrated underrated.

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I would probably go slightly overrated at this stage right now,
just based on that type of.

Speaker 7 (01:40:08):
Information, and that would be fair. The only reason why
I stick it at fourteen and say it's fine. You
still got the guy that coached you in the last
two years. You got Sharon Moore, whether you believe in
him or not, whether you believe two years ago it
was still on gym, which you know essentially it was
I like what he's done. The team buys into him.
You ask me about Aaron Glenn and the Jets and
the players and what they see. This team loves Sharon.

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They talk about Sharon, they hang with Sharon, and I
don't think it's fake like other situations have been in
the past. And also you brought in some damn good players.
That is the power of the transfer reportal and the
nil you brought in the Twins from Arkansas. I can't
wait to see what they do on the defensive flier
of the ball. You got some defensive ends to replace.
Can't replace Mason Graham, but you can replace some of
that defensive line, and the offensive line will be more experienced.

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You have an older offensive line. You lost six offensive
line and going into that season. Last season, you had
five guys that were from rash five guys of a
frosh so now these guys have experiment, bring some other
guys in. This is gonna be good. You got some
secret weapons, as I like to say too, they do
have some some.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
Guys who played a lot of snaps last year on
the defensive side. It sure seemed like, uh, they found
some type of secret sauce sprailing Edward's word with wink,
Martindale chip Lindsay's their new OC. It's got to be
an adjustment there.

Speaker 7 (01:41:27):
I love wing Martin like he has one Markindale. He
has one of my favorite sayings. And I got a
chance to say it to him and him say it
back to me. He said, boy, that boy can throw
man son. You know, he could throw strawberry through a battleship.
Like the first time I heard that, I said, oh
my god, this is this is amazing. This is amazing.
So when I was at Sharon's golf outing, I walked

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up to him. I said, what's up, coach? He said, hey,
you you big at so be. I said, Coach, I said,
you got you one that could throw strawberry through a
battle He said, he can do it. He's gonna do
it like so I like with Martindale. And then Lindsay.
It worked for or Wink Martindale, and I can't understand
why it didn't work for him and why the New
York Giants shocker moved on for him, But think they

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bought him to a system in which the two guys
that left before that he taught the system to them.
It's his system. So you started to see that success
last year. So he'll be fine. And on the offensive
side of the ball. Only time will tell, Like fourteen
maybe high in your words, and that's cool, Only time
will tell. I think fourteen and be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
At least, like you said, the offensive line that might
talk some Michigan fans off that shelf, because if you're
gonna have some depth, if you're gonna have some experience,
that's where you want it to be. Let's get to
the mail bag here on this Tuesday afternoon on the
Brillen Edward Show, kool Aid.

Speaker 16 (01:42:41):
Oh, we got chat family, get those mail bag questions in.
We did have some super chests that came in. It
was at least a couple that came in, and I
see one here sidelines. He was when I believe Joe
Hollywood was on earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:42:56):
He was asking were you.

Speaker 16 (01:42:58):
Shipping with Painter's tape back then as it related to
some of the stuff that he was sending out, some
of the memorabilia.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
In the cards.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
Yeah, as a kid when he was sending out checks, yes, yeah,
handwritten checks and what were they getting back?

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Yeah, it was so fun to talk. Really awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:43:14):
He's the energy too. Yeah, he was awesome.

Speaker 16 (01:43:15):
Man, chat, definitely going to get those get the mail
bags and man chef and Brayer up here already to
answer your questions. I saw some line of stuff and
so if you guys have anything, especially for Braid on
what to look forward to the second week, get into
the chat man.

Speaker 5 (01:43:29):
Yeah, we'll be addressing that later on this week.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
For sure. I did want to get into It might
be a little late, but CBS Sports had an interesting
poll out and that was the top ten players at
each defensive position.

Speaker 5 (01:43:42):
Okay, so for.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
Example, the top defensive tackles. Would a Lee McNeil be
in there? I think he would be, but he's hurt
and he was he got hurt last year. I don't
think he's in there now and he's not. He was
on his way right for sure. Edge Rusher, All right,
where do you think Aiden Hutchinson's in that ranking if
at all, despite.

Speaker 7 (01:44:05):
This is top five, it's just top ten, top ten.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
I'd say six, pretty damn close, say six, pretty damn close.
He's at five. Okay. Then they go around linebackers. Do
the Lions have any linebackers in the top ten? No,
that's correct the answer, at least according to this poll,
they don't have any. What about cornerbacks? Do they have

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any corners in the top ten?

Speaker 7 (01:44:34):
Maybe I'm trying to if he biased, that's I'm not answering.
I would say maybe. I'd say maybe, if they do,
he'd be it. He'd be nine, he'd be ten.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
He would just be a DJ readers, he's not okay,
Safeties do both of them?

Speaker 7 (01:44:52):
Two and five?

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
You're pretty damn close? Two and four?

Speaker 20 (01:44:57):
Okay, who's ranked higher? Brian Ran that's correct. I'm not
moving off my point. He will be the best defensive
player on the Detroit line.

Speaker 7 (01:45:08):
If he's not, he is.

Speaker 5 (01:45:09):
I absolutely love him.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
So if of all the guys that the Lions fans
have talked about, how are we gonna have enough money
to sign certain guys? Aiden Hutchinson I think is the
first guy you have to reason. Brian Branch to me,
is the second guy. Now they've already spent a lot
of money on Kirby Joseph. You could argue you need
that running back because of the juice that he adds

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to the offense. I love Brian Branch. I think he's
a phenomenal player. He's a throwback to me. And they
got him ranked two. And here's what they say. He
may not be the biggest or the fastest, but Branch
ensure as you feel the Lions defense with scrappy sideline
to sideline attitude. I don't know what the hell that means.

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
I just know he's a football player.

Speaker 7 (01:45:52):
Sid means Look, he's just everywhere. He's everywhere. It doesn't
matter what he plays.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
I meant the attitude like sideline to sideline attitude. You
know he's got he's got to be all He's got
to be there.

Speaker 7 (01:46:01):
Like no, he's a great player, Like he reminds me
a lot of Brian Dawkins, like and I played against
Brian Dawkins. Like I played against Brian Dawkins. He's one
of the players. He's one of those safeties where I
had like marked my calendar certain people that I want
to face in the secondary based off how good their
careers are. And you know, I just want to test
my metal, you know what I'm saying. And he was
one of those safeties for me. Obviously, I played in

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the AFC North, so I didn't have to want to
play Troy or Ed. But Brian Dawkins was all over
the place. His characters Wolverine, you know, he runs out
doing the Wolverine thing and the weaponex is with his
alter ego was he was freakishly, insanely crazily physically dialed
into everything that he was sharp. He was physical, but
he wasn't out of control. That is a big thing

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that happens when guys play like Brian Brant, when they
Troy palam Ala was as great as he was First
Battle of Hall of Fame on the Best Seen out
of Control. They show you all the Troy palam Awea highlights, yes,
but they don't show you all in the low lights,
like him jumping over the infamous play. He does that
all the time. He didn't get it all this time.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
That's why some many people feel like Ed Reid was better.

Speaker 7 (01:47:06):
First of all, it's not even close. It was way better,
way better. I'm not gonna say way but way better Bob.
Bob Sanders is another one in the smaller weaponex type players.
But Bob and Brian Dawkins, they play under control. They
can lay the big hit, but they can just make
the tackle if they needed to. They can make the
pass break up, you know, they can make They can
check if you wanted to. Those guys can't just got

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hurt a lot, right, I mean in his career, Yeah,
it can cut it well when you're when you're five,
when you're five, because I played against him Iowa two.
When you're five eight, five nine, compactedly two twenty and
you're coming up on tight ends in the NFL at
six at that time, sixty five to sixty six, two
fifty running backs are going you know, six foot two,

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thirty to twenty. It's only a matter of time. It's
only a matter of time.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
So when you bring up Brian Dawkins, who I think
is fantastic and a little out of control. With some
of the other names you've brought up, I would say,
like Steve Atwater was one of my favorite players for
the Denver for the Denver Broncos, and he played for
New York days. Yeah, but just an Yeah, he was
an absolute beast from the safety spot.

Speaker 7 (01:48:15):
Chris nin Koye was like, was a whole thing. Oh,
he was a cultural icon in that in that little
short window maybe eighty nine to ninety three. He's a
cultural what's it called a Colt Classic. He's two point fifty.
He runs essentially four to four. Nobody want to stop him.
The Nigerian Nightmare. Insert Steve Atwater twenty seven, the powder

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blue Denver helmet. Loved it. Don't worry, I got something
for him. Hit him. Christ Nakoyo was never saying.

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
Yeah that Christian Nakoye would square the shoulders up and
most people would want to get out of the way.

Speaker 5 (01:48:48):
That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
So Kirby Joseph four. Here's what they say about Joseph
is the current chief at snagging passes, giving the Lions
a bona fide center field ballhawk with seventeen picks in
three years. My fear sometimes is that we always view
him as a guy who just you know, intercepts passes,

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and he gets sure changed on some of the other
aspects of his game.

Speaker 5 (01:49:13):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (01:49:14):
Yeah, no wonder but said last year I think he
took a step. We had this conversation a lot last
year because everybody was on the Curby jokes of band
wagon before the season started.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
I was not.

Speaker 7 (01:49:23):
I needed more like because at the end of the day,
for me, yeah, he can ball hop, but is that
all you're doing? Your job is to lead the defense?
Like can you tackle you? Can you blitz off the edge?
Can you be in the places? Can you lead the defense?

Speaker 9 (01:49:34):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:49:34):
I saw a lot of highlights, but also a lot
of low lights too, a lot of mistackles. I saw
a lot of situations he was out of position. I
saw balls go over his head and he was trying
to figure out where the hell to be. Last year
he took that step. I think in major games he
made big players. And I think the biggest game for
me was the Houston Texans game. Like you can see,
it snapped and it clicked in that moment and it

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never turned.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
Off, keeping them in the game.

Speaker 7 (01:50:00):
Out of one whole. This is the infamous play. Dan
Cam was getting interviewed this the delay interview. He said, Man,
we need an interception something right here. Kirby Joseph gets
the interception. Obviously, know how that delay work changes everything,
but he was tackling. He was everywhere he was supposed
to be. He was getting guys out of bounds, and
he wasn't letting his trash talk get him caught up.
Saw that in his first couple of years he talked

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trash and get out of play. Like that's when you
get good, when you can talk to talk to talk
in between the plays, and then when the play starts,
you still be where you're saying.

Speaker 16 (01:50:28):
I was gonna say even to back that up, you know,
I know Carlton Davis also in the Houston Texans game,
got one of those interceptions, and I wonder how much
of that is the quarterback knowing Kirby Joseph ballhawk is
back there. I know in that twenties, in those red zones,
you don't want to test that man, But I do wonder.
We saw Carlton Davis, we saw even to Meet Robertson
even Tronto.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
Able to be in position to get interceptions, whether they
got it or not.

Speaker 16 (01:50:51):
I wonder how much you got Brian Branch and you
got the ball hall Kirby Joseph back to how much
that helps these quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 (01:50:57):
I tell people this all the time, like Darrell Reeves
is one of the best if you and defensive backs
of all time. Now I don't agree what people have
him ranked, but he's one of the best. I saw.
I played with him and played against him the whole
nine yards in two thousand and nine, the infamous season
where they said he should have won Defensive Player the Year. Now,
I don't agree with that because they would have had
to take their trophy form Charles Woodson, and I don't

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agree with that. But Carrie Rose was the safety for
the New York Jets. Carry was so good in the space.
He knew what was going on. Like Kirby is now,
he allowed to grievous. Hey, look, I got you, even
though I'm supposed to be way over here, go ahead
and play man and man, I'll cover your back because
my range is that freaky. Like That's what Kirby Joseph

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can do because of the range he has because of
him understanding. Hey, look, DJ, go ahead, man up on that.
I know it's supposed to be this, but you do that,
you'll have some success because I'm back. And then also
when you get scared the safeties, you try to throw
balls in tight the windows, smaller spaces, you try to
throw it quick before safeties get over there. Well, that's
where your DB's got to step up. That's why they
bought DJ read In and paid him fourteen million a year.

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That's why you drafted Terry and Arnoy, you moved up
to twenty two because you believed in what he was.
They have to take those stances because Kirby and Branch
would make it easier for them on the outside.

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