Detroit Lions No Longer ELITE?! | The Braylon Edwards Show | Thursday, September 11th, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Jack Campbell and Taylor Decker pulled a Ryan today. They
did not practice at all, but they should be good
to go on Sunday. Taylor Decker, Jack Campbell didn't practice.
Terry on Arnold need to reports was a full participant.
We are ready to participate in the Brayln Edwards showd
You're with us with the Man and then Ryan is
back with us and kool Aid is of course with us.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Ryan almost lost his job. Really, he almost lost his
job to Haley. He almost lost his job to Haley.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Haley came in here, she was ready to do business.
He did a really good job and she got a
big response from the crowd.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Man, I was looking for you to come in and
do your thing yesterday and shocker, now I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
Just giving you go.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Garrig, you were gonna be Wally Pip. You know what
that story is. No, you know who the iron horse is?

Speaker 6 (01:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Okay, lou Garriy, Louke Geregg had the record for most
consecutive games played until cal Ripkin broke it. Okay, lou
Garrigg was thrown in. Louke Geregg was thrown into the
Yankees' lineup in favor of Wally Pip because Wally Pip
was injured or sick. I forget which it was. Sorry,

(01:59):
it's before my time.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
He never saw the feeling again, I must not have.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
And then Louke Garrig never sat again until setting that record.
All right, so you gotta be careful. You don't want
to get Wally pipped. When somebody says Wally pipped, you've
been Wally Pip. That means you've been replaced. But glad
you're back. I like that shirt. Okay, and I like
that shirt because I like Lincoln Park. Im glad you're
whether it's on this Thursday.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Just went to the last month?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Was it you saw him last month?

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Last month? That else?

Speaker 7 (02:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, they're really good.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah it's your favorite song by him?

Speaker 7 (02:31):
I don't know, I wouldn't easy.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Is it really? What is it? I gotta look at
my phone, mind bleeded out?

Speaker 5 (02:40):
What's the song from Transformers?

Speaker 7 (02:42):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:43):
In this fair?

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Well?

Speaker 8 (02:45):
I know?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Something I'm exactly Lincoln Park. But I like when they
did a numb the remix with jay Z that was done.
The Divide is.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
The Great Divide, Yeah, the Divide, that New Divide.

Speaker 9 (03:01):
What I've done, What I've done, What I've done.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
New Divide is the one from Transformers. What I've done
is like one of their bigger hits.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
I know a little bit.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Look no bet, yeah that's good for all those that
hat on Lincoln Probably look see me in the parking lot.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
You know what I'm saying. You can't.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
If if you can't whoop me, then I can like
who you don't like who you white like no matter what,
as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
But I got these hands, I just want to throw
that out there.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
And you got those muscles, and you got that speed,
and you got that quickness. We are quick to judge football,
that's for certain. We're quick to judge.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
The Lions must win, must win, must win.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Everything is a must win. The Bears must win, the
Lions must win. I heard something talking about Michigan must win.
Who's another NFL team, Oh, they must get a win
if they if they, Oh that's what it was.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
If the Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Chiefs, if they don't get this win against the Eagles,
it's a must win. Ladies and gentlemen, pump the brakes.
Everything is not a must win. Every game is not
a must win. It is still weak too. For a
lot of these teams in college football. Is Week three
pipe down? There are now twelve playoff teams in college football.
Is not a must win for Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Relax.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, okay, fans are very emotional. I try to keep
that in mind.

Speaker 7 (04:16):
You're preaching to.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Them to relax and understand, and I think you're one
hundred percent right. How come we don't do that with
guys who actually played the flipping game. All right, I'll
give you an example, and Woodward Sports. If you don't
follow us on social media, you have to. Woodward Sports
network is outstanding with its social media. Sent this out

(04:38):
from a four letter network that you know. I try
not to watch too much. It's just it's monotonous and
it's ridiculous. But whatever they like.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
You got a yelling. You don't enjoy the yelling.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
You didn't enjoy the same topics regurgitated Lebron James, the
Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You don't like these New York Yankees, JA quarterback, any
legion to the Super Bowl?

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Right, same freaking topic.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Every single time it is here.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
I licked a stamp.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Let me right now. I got an idea. What do
you want to talk about, Mike, Let's talk about Lebron James.
Let's talk about Michael Parsons. Let's talk about if Aaron
Boone should be fired. It's the same crap. But I mean,
we gotta get used to it. I suppose, but Lewis
Riddick was in.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
The front office.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
It's just something I respect.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
By the way, Okay, yeah, to a certain extent, I agree.
I mean, I think at least he's the same. I
think that place changes people. I do. Ryan Clark was
similar to that. Now he's just completely off the reservation.
It's unbelievable what has happened.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
He's someone that I admired from a fire step, just
in his senses.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
When he was playing in the NFL, when I would
get free time, when I would get my bye weeks,
when I would get a little extra time here there.
I was not going to Bristol and interning. I wasn't
going to that place and getting better and home my
craft and you know what I'm saying, work on what
I potentially wanted to work on in the future. So
when he finished an instantly transition, because you watched him,

(06:09):
I respected that Ryan Clark. I respected the work that
he was doing the same I saw the journey. I
saw what he was doing. I appreciated the insight, and
he didn't really have an ego when he was doing it.
Insert the money, insert the pivot, insert all those things.
Insert the ego, and now he is a completely different
person when he's on the TV.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
I agree with you one d painful. I'm sorry anyone
who comes out and says Peyton Manning, Tom Brady Drew
Brees weren't generational quarterbacks. But Patrick mahomes is, I mean
you're a jackass. Okay, I mean knock it off. But anyway,
I do like Lewis Riddick, Lewis Riddick, Jeff Saturday, both

(06:50):
of them today And this is again Woodward Sports Network
can follow us on Twitter right there, Woodward Sports. Okay,
how long does Dan Campbell go with John Morton calling plays?
If you're averaging two yards running in three yards passing.
If John Morton doesn't get them going, Dan Campbell will
be calling plays very soon. Now. They haven't identified what

(07:12):
very soon is. Okay, if very soon means within the
first five weeks, then perhaps they're not that far off base.
I don't know what the definition is. But when we
talk about fans overreacting, talk show hosts overreacting, we need
those men who played this sport at the highest level

(07:32):
to bring us back down to earth. They're not doing it.
I get it. If it's if it's a loud mouth
like me or a loud mouth like somebody else who's
on TV twenty four hours a day, and you don't
have to know. I don't have to tell you who
that is. I don't need to soone screaming in a
microphone and a television to tell me that. But I

(07:52):
do need those who've been there, done that to say,
it's one flipping game.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Chill, it is one you know it wasn't we talked
about the Just say it was not a good looking performance.
But it is one game. It's the first game of
the season. You guys didn't play in the preseason, and
you have a very important offensive line deal where you
just have to watch. You have to watch it grow,
you have to watch it mature. Tate Rallis will be
a better version of himself. He will get better this week.

(08:19):
Graham Glasgow as the center. Hank Fraley, who also played center.
He's not just an offensive line coach. He was a
center by trade the Philadelphia Eagles the Cleveland Browns, of
which we shared the same team. He's going to get
Graham Glasgowl ready for this game. Graham Glasgow will not
rate a forty seven or whatever the hell he raided
last week. He's not gonna rate that same thing. I
think Richie Mahogany to be better, you have to take

(08:40):
a step and allow them to get better. The Lions
will get better this week. It will look a lot different,
But you know, I think it's just coming off the
game and how it look.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Everybody wants it to look a certain way.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Everybody is very interested in there's no Ben Johnson and
Sir Johnny Morton, they tell us he was there in
twenty twenty two. What's that gonna look like. The emphasis
on that offense on Sunday is we want to see something.
We want to see a drive that looks like the
Chicago Bears opening drive, and they didn't get that. But
it's also not just the offensive coordinator because Jared Goff,

(09:12):
if he doesn't have time, then he can't get the
pass plays off that Johnny Morton is called and some
of those being good plays, And how do we know
they were good plays because Jared Goff missed some first downs.
Jared Goff missed some plays and those plays were called
by you guessed it, Johnny Morton. So we got to
slow down and see what the Chicago Bears games looks like.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
This will be a bigger test. How do they.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Correct the things that they were not good at this
past Sunday? How do they look on that opening drive
when the offense gets the ball how does it look
in the fourth quarter? So you know, pipe down people
get better.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
You need game ones.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
And obviously they didn't play in the preseason. And although
we don't like it, Dan Campbell told us, man, maybe
I should have played these guys in the preseason. Yes,
you should have, but he admits it. He's moved on
from it. I think it will be a better showing
this week.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
John Morton said, it's an easy The run game is
an easy fix. Yeah, an easy fix.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
I agree, because run game is attitude. Like the run
game is attitude. The offensive lineman getting to the second level,
the offensive lineman getting a hat on a hat, the
guys in front of them, physicality. Look, we are going
to run the ball. We want to run the ball.
I have to block my man. It's an attitude. And
they didn't have that attitude this past Sunday. They were

(10:26):
getting blown off the ball. The Green Bay Packers were
getting in the backfield. Whether it was a run press
or whether it was a pass bro they still were
getting in the bathfield. It's an attitude. They didn't have
the attitude. One thing coach always told me, it's my
little league coach.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Coach had I'm not gonna say shout out because he
was he's a real asshole.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
But you know what I'm saying. He called me all
type of names. I was like, you want to play football.
I thought it was a wide receiver. I didn't know
why receivers to be at tc as. I didn't know
that's what it was.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
But you don't have to spell it.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
If you're gonna say asshole, you can.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Well.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Thank you to my co host, my man chef. But
he said, at the end of the day, I appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
But you said you.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Don't let no man punk you. You don't let any
man punk you. And and the biggest position that that's
valid is the offensive line, is the defensive line is
the trenches. And they look like they got punked a
little bit. That's why it's fixable, because that's that's an
attitude thing. It's an attitude thing. So I think that's
more so what he means. And then also it's a
communication thing. Some of those communication eras where you see

(11:36):
guys wide open on the goal line and the whole
most notably, uh, that's communication. That's getting the call, getting
the protection, getting the slide, getting ready and on time,
getting it ready on time where you have a second
to fix those players not trying to get it done,
and now three two one, we gotta snap it, we
gotta take a penny, and guys aren't ready. So communication

(11:58):
and an effort that you don't have to be a
first rounder to have effort, Taylor, don't have to be
a thirty five million dollars perier to have effort.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Taylor. Decker told us yesterday that he and Tate Ratledge
ran on that goal line play you're referring to. They
both ran one play, the other three offensive lineman ran another.
I don't know who's it fault. It shouldn't matter who's
at fault. But one group is how does something like
that happen? That's the question A lot of people got

(12:27):
to me last night and asked, how does something like
that happen?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Is communication going from Jaredgov to excuse me, going from
Jaredgov to Graham Glassgow not getting to the left side
of the right side. That's a lot of thought process.
That's oh shoot, there's all this going on. And then
you forget a play, you forget a thing, you forget
a part of you excuse me, you forget a step.
You know every play has steps. All right, cool, listening huddle.

(12:53):
That's a step. Get to the huddle. Remember I have
to do slide protection. Give the call, this, that and
the third. Make sure I communicate. That's a step. Posting
that pit.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
That's a step.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
And I think a couple of steps were missed in there,
and I think you dial it back in this week.
I think you don't gloss over the small things sometimes.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
And this is because they've had success in the past.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
This is because they won fifteen games last year, this
is because they went an NFC game two years ago.
You gloss over some of the small things because you
think your guys got it, because you know your guys
have been there. But the guys are different and some
of those assumptions you made they came back.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
To bite you in the butt this past Sunday. No assumptions.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, there's some pretty intense language from Kelvin Sheppard, which
I think every Lions fan will embrace. We'll get to
that coming up. This came from I don't want to
give credit recredit to due Al Carston his Twitter handle
four man pass rush defensive success rate leaders from Week one. Okay,

(13:51):
you're ready kool Aid Week one. The teams he's got,
where do you think the Lions rank? Four man passed
rush defensive success rate? So they're rushing with four and
they're getting home. What do you think it is? It's
based off Pro Football Focus?

Speaker 5 (14:09):
I know the answer.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
So he says, out of the entire NFL.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Entire NFL. All right, just to give you an idea,
Denver is number one. Where do you think watching the
Lions and Packers game? What would you think Detroit ranks?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (14:23):
Goodness, I would say, to be kind, twentieth, twentieth.

Speaker 9 (14:29):
Ryan Bottom, I'm gonna say bottom five.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
You're close.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, you're close, a coule a, you're pretty close.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Tell him Braylen second second, you're closed.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
You just had to drop the zero.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Second second.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Woe And when Denver, Detroit, Washington, Hilly, Chicago, Atlanta, then
Green Bay? Who would have figured that?

Speaker 7 (14:58):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I didn't see it. Yeah, but you've always said, you know,
those types of numbers, especially Pro Football Focus and next
Gen stats, they can be slightly misleading.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
You buy that, you buy that they would be two
because I was there.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I didn't see that. I didn't see that type of
four man success rate.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
I definitely think numbers are skewed sometimes. I think in
this situation, they definitely didn't perform like a two. The
numbers indicate that they are too. Second half they struggled.
Talking about the Green Bay Packers, they struggle a little
bit on offense, whether you want to give the credit
to Kelvin Sheppard kind of settling in as a defensive
coordinator in the Lions kind of making some plays. Although
they were taken back, there were some plays made in

(15:40):
that second half by the Detroit Lions. So I think
Green Bay kind of took their foot off the gas
kind of the same similar situation that you saw with
I don't want to say that some people are like, Noah,
they didn't take their foot off the gas. The Lions,
you know, they really doubted in. I think Matt Lafleores
and the Green Bay Packers they saw what the Lions
where and the kind of took their foot off the
gas a little bit in that second half.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Yeah, why would a team do that.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Because they don't believe in You don't believe in the
team that you believe in the team that you're playing against.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Wow, that stuns me. I would not have guessed that.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Well, the way the Lions play has stunned me. I
wouldn't guess that.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, that's true. I hear that. The name that is,
there's two names and probably two stories that most Detroit
football fans are getting really tired of. We'll get to
one coming up, because he's coming back on Sunday. The
other Yes and yeah, and it's nothing against him. There
is nothing against him. Okay, but remember last year, everybody

(16:36):
was convinced, including yours truly, that he really liked it here.
Remember how the Lions treated him. I hope people do
recall that. Well. Zadarius Smith said this to the Philadelphia Eagles,
all right, he said, why he signed there. I just
felt comfortable with this team because they lost a veteran
leader last year in big that's Brandon Graham, friend of

(16:59):
your excellent player. It was a great opportunity, great fit
for me to come here and basically do what I
do and help the younger guys. And when people last,
is this it? He says? Obviously, No, he says, I
got a lot left and so on and so forth.
The thing that I'm getting at here is I think
Detroit has turned out to be the bad guy. In

(17:22):
this whole situation the Lions have Brad Holmes must have
had a problem with him. He doesn't want to spend
the money. Blah blah blah blah blah. I think people
have a tendency to forget. As soon as they traded
for Zadarius Smith last year, they because he was out
of bye week and he wanted to see his family
and didn't get a chance to see them while he
was in Cleveland. They let him take that bye week.

(17:44):
All right, It wasn't Detroit's bye week, and it was
Cleveland's bye week, and Detroit could have used in a game,
because who did they play?

Speaker 5 (17:51):
They were getting mocked.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Correct Now, to his credit, he was on the sideline.
He was engaged to go talk with all these guys
and it was an awesome sight. But we act like
something happened. They don't like him. Why is this going on?
Detroit is stupid? They should have done something, so on
and so forth. Our position, I think collectively has been

(18:16):
they should have done something. At the position. It doesn't
have to be him, But I just wanted to reinforce
and let people remember that that if this is the
way you treat people, the way they treated him when
he first got here, even though they didn't know him
all that well. Was a classy move. And I think
that's really important to remember that because they're getting a

(18:40):
lot of heat for not signing him. Some of it
is justified because Harrie Roseman, Like how many people know
general managers? Like, yeah, Baltimore's good. Does anybody know Eric Tacosta?
Do you know him? He's their general manager. We don't
know gms. We know our gms. Everybody knows Steve Well.
Steve Eisen's a bad example. People know Scott Harris, right,

(19:01):
people know Scott Herris, people know Brad Holmes.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Okay, you know, you only know the GM if the
GM has a name, And like I give you an example,
you know who John Lynch is now because he's a GM.
You know John Linkx is a Hall of Fame football
player that happens to be.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's right, the GM one percent. Yeah, and he did
a really good job when he got there. People know
Howard Roseman because of they just won a Super Bowl
and his success and because he's doing things that we
collectively as Lions fans want Brad Holmes to do.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah. One what I'm saying also too he has the
track record. You know.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
You look at what he did and how he built
it to the super Bowl that they won initially with
Nick Foles, and how that played out and how that
rested the moves that they went.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
They went and got Alshon Jeffers from the Chicago Bears so.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
That they have a big wind out and it played
values pay dividends in the super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
And then you continue it because that's twenty seventeen, and
then you make the super Bowl again in twenty three
with a bunch of good moves, a bunch of good
draft picks, and now you duplicate that again in twenty four.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
The only difference is you win.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
You win it all.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
So yeah, that's that's who you want to be.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, we knew that. We knew Ozzie Knwson was an
awesome dude and he was an incredible jo as Baltimore g. Yeah,
and I remember meeting him in Cleveland and asking him, Hey,
do you have a moment. Wanted to pick your brain
on a few things, quarterbacks, draft philosophy. He didn't know

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me at all. I was just there to call a
preseason game on TV for the Lions and the Browns
and he was so kind and really enjoyed it. People
remember him because of their success, but also because he
was an unbelievable tight end. I mean, he's a great
tight end when it really was Hall of Famer. But
I don't think anybody is going to who knows Less Snead,
who's no Brett Veach Beaches with Kansas City. Snead is

(20:44):
with Rams, so that I mean, you know them because
you're a You're a football lifer and people.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Though people know Snead because he famously notorious, he came
out and said what f them picks? And he gave
you something to remember him by. Now to Veach, you
probably won't know Beach unless, like you said, you know, Bob,
when you look at the team win three Super Bowls in.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Five years, you better figure out who that GM was.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Realistically, I think what this is Darius Smith thing is, Look,
he's not a game record. There's nothing about what he
did last year for the Detroit Lions where I was like,
oh my god, oh my god, thank god we got him.
For the Cleveland Browns, think guy, we got him on
the right side. He is a record. We have to
pay that man. Nothing about his performance last year was that.
What it was was, this is a guy that you
know is gonna get you some sacks here or there.

(21:26):
This is a guy you know if you put him
in there, he'll be serviceable. And he's not just a
body that you're throwing in there, like here's a guy
for two million, and we're gonna throw him in there. No,
this is a guy that is pretty good. This is
a guy that can make some things happen from time
to time. So that's what we were with that.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
I would be.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Interested to see what happens in these rooms with Brad
Holmes and Dan Campbell when these players don't come back.
Because everybody's all golden and everybody's good when they're here,
but then something goes wrong, whether it's Carlton Davis, whether
it's Darius Smith, whether it's c J. Gardner Johnson, Like
there's always something and then Detroit comes out to be
the bad guy in those situations and they go to
the social media, they turn to the spots. I want

(22:02):
to know what happens because it's it's an interesting deal.
With the Zadarius Smith, I wish it would have worked out,
not because I think he would have had twelve sacks
opposite of Aiden Hutchinson, just because he knew the system
and that part you talk about. Yes, the Detroit Lions
did give him that time off, which was special. And
when the team does something like that, you tend not

(22:23):
to jump on them when you see things like this, like,
oh my god, I can't believe the Lions did that. Nah,
I saw that moment what they did for Zadarius Smith.
Let me get some more information before I come out
and judge them one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
But with that being said, it is interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
He is a good player. I'm not taking anything away
from him. He's a good player. He's going to help Philadelphia.
I'll be very interested to look up the percentage of
snaps he plays, since you and I have talked about
this a lot.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
That happened last year with the Lions.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
He started off at he's thinking sorry with seventy seventy
five percent sixty eight. In the last two games he
was like fifty two percent of snaps and the last
game was forty percent of the snap. So something happened
with what they saw his production, what they saw in
his play, they noticed something and he got less and
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snaps in those last two three games.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
What do we need.

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Most At the end of the year, we needed a
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Speaker 5 (23:20):
That's something interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, I wonder that why that would be that, because that,
to me is pretty interesting to your point. On the
year for Detroit, he played sixty percent of the snaps overall,
which for a defensive end I suppose is pretty good.
Now Aiden Hutchinson's closer to ninety, so probably not, but

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it is. Uh, it is something that I'm going to
probably monitor. My guess is Lions fans. Lions fans are
going to follow uh, just like they did with the
Rams and Matthew Stafford. They're going to follow how well
Ben Johnson and the Bears do, and they're gonna follow
Sadarius Smith's sack total.

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I just wanted to complete that story, all right. So
there's a couple of things that are bother me just
a little bit. We talked a little bit about overreaction,
a lot about overreaction for the Lions. Well we are
not the only ones, and the ex athletes are not
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the Las Vegas Raiders. I know it's gonna be Raiders.
Before week one it was at twenty one percent. Now
playoff chances at forty percent. Again, we're talking about after
week one. This is how ridiculous things can be.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
I did say that was gonna be the best division
in football.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I know you did.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
I did say that.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, and the Chargers are right behind them, by the way.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
You know.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
The worst.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Here are some of the teams that have gone the
worst percentage Panthers, Titans, Cowboys, Texans, Seahawks, Patriots, who I
thought would be better, but again it's only one game. Yeah,
Falcons who you picked in Week one?

Speaker 11 (33:50):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Dolphins Chiefs?

Speaker 6 (33:51):
Good?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
You sure?

Speaker 5 (33:53):
I'm a Baker Mayfield guy.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I'm pretty sure. I thought for sure you picked up Falcons.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
Because you you know, like Falcons.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Do you think the Falcons were going to win that division?

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Said?

Speaker 5 (34:02):
I picked the Bucks.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
You just got the Fucals.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Bus I was Bucks too.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
I know that maybe we picked the Falcons.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Maybe I picked the Falcons to win that game, though, Yeah,
I definitely maybe.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Alright, I like maker makes Yeah, my apology. The Lions
are the worst. Yeah, that's what they have. They have fallen.
Nobody parts of the Falcon the further I know, I know,
except for Jehan Robinson. I'll take him. The The Lions
have fallen further than anybody. Prior to the season, they
were at seventy three percent. Now after week after Week one,

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they're at forty seven percent. So they've dropped twenty six
percentage points. No one has dropped further. Is it an
overreaction or does it make sense? They write that it
makes sense. I'll give you the reasoning here in a moment.
But do you think it's an overreaction or it makes

(35:00):
sense that someone would panic that severely.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Okay, I gotta be political and smooth at the same time.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
Nahs, this that open business.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
It does make sense.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
It does make sense if you're gonna make weekly rankings,
if you're going to make weekly rankings on who's up,
who's down, who's trending, who's green, who's red, and you
want to have some fun. Yeah, it makes sense that
you thought this team coming to the season, Uh, they
were going to hit their stride.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
This is a team how they finished last year.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
It's still the same coach that have a lot of the
same weapons, a lot of all pro weapons, excuse me,
some all pros, some Pro bowlers. They're gonna take that step.
They're gonna realize how that season ended. They're gonna come
out and dispel all the myths about the offensive play calling, this, that,
and the third. They'll take a step. They're playing against
the Packers that this should look like, it should look different.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
When you watch that product.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Now I know your game in the stats about them
finishing second in terms of four player rushes and things
of that nature. Once again, it's a feel thing, and
the Lions didn't feel like a team that was going
to finish first in the NFC North. They then like
a team that would finish second in the NFC North.
Just playing the devil's advocate side. So for someone that

(36:07):
does a weekly ranking and they to talk about the
Lions have dropped. Sure, if you want to get your
jollys off and have fun by ranking week by week
and this is what you saw, I can say that
they should be the team that took the largest step
because they although they were the Lions, although they were the.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Reigning NFC.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Winners in terms of the regular season, all that, there
were a lot of questions and none of those questions
got answered this past Sunday.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
That's fair and I understand it, But don't tell me
about people's history or background ever again then, because you're
not taking what they have done into that equation. Because
everybody has bad games and I'm not making excuses for him.

(36:56):
But when I hear well I like this guy because
he's done it before, well, the Lions are chuck full
of guys. I'm talking about anybody. Okay, Okay, the Lions
are chuck full of any of guys who have done
it before. Here's the reasoning for it. They said their
offense did not resemble the well oiled machine that was

(37:18):
under X offensive coordinator Ben Johnson. That's fair. Ye Did
the Bears look all that great under Ben Johnson outside
the first drive? Was there something there that I'm missing
that makes me go, holy crap?

Speaker 10 (37:33):
I am, I'm Did the Lions look like themselves under
Ben Johnson the first few weeks of last season? Or
did Dan Kempbell step to the podium and Ben Johnson
say it may take us a.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
Few weeks based off of what we know they do,
their their starters aren't playing to well.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I was thinking you were gonna say a couple of
years ago. A couple of years ago, they started one
and six, okay, if you recall, and then they snapped
out of it after the one in six by beating
Green Bay and scoring a whopping fifteen points. Who Okay,
there's Ben Johnson for you. Okay, No, I liked him
and I respect him. Don't don't take this out of context.

(38:08):
But I'm just telling you that's the way it started.
Now the Lions can't start that way, and the difference
between then and now is what expectations.

Speaker 9 (38:17):
I mean the last two years the Lions have started
off one and one to start the year, lost of
the Bucks in week two, and they lost the Seattle
in week two, and they gotta go in.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
And yesterday against the Bucks.

Speaker 10 (38:27):
Yeah, so what I'm saying like and that and and
and and you know Ben Johnson wasn't the offensive coordinator then, right,
That's that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (38:34):
It's like the overreaction to this right now.

Speaker 10 (38:37):
After we saw this team overcome a lot of odds
last year. That's one where even with Brad Holmes, I
could be mad at him. But the last time I
really got pissed at this edge thing, they won two games.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
And were the odds that they overcame. I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
The injuries last oh I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Okay. At the end, okay, I thought maybe you were
gonna say, overcame a five interception day, over overcame a
wash to Tampa with a bounce back. I get it. Yeah, okay,
but you're right, I see what your injuries for.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
I'm not gonna overreact, but I'm telling you it's gonna
be a big conversation on Monday if it looks like
it did this pass right or if it looks anywhere
like it, Like we keep talking about what they've overcome
before they overcame it. In twenty twenty four, they started off,
you know, bad, and yeah, you look at the stats
right here against the Rams last year. You know, Jared
Goff eighteen to twenty eight, two to seventeen, a touchdown
on the pick, Like it wasn't great, but Dave Montgomery

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had nine yards Russian Jamir Gibbs had forty yards Russian.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
Jami Gibbs also had forty yards receiving, Like it looked
a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
And the guys that got him out of that, the
guys that help him in the five turnover game, the
five interception game by Jared Goff. Ben Johnson was still
in that sideline, still knowing what to dial up at
the right time.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
And I think that's the thing that we're trying to
figure out.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Was pretty good that thing too.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
They starting in the second half. You know, Dan cam
was doing the interception. I mean, the conversation is a
delayed play against the interception. As he's doing the interview.
That's what you want. The defense showed up Kirby Joseph
Ryan Branch and even the defensive line as being coached
by as Darius Smith, who we're talking about right now.
But excuse me, she just stepped away from the microphone
on that. But those guys aren't here. It's not the

(40:09):
same team, it's not the same offensive line, it's not
the same coaching staff. So that's why, although I'm patient
this is gonna be a really big game, because this
is a different conversation on Monday. This is not the
same squad. So can Johnny Mo get Jared Goff to
a position where he's more comfortable? Can they change the
play call? Can they establish or run? What does the

(40:29):
offensive line look like this week against the Chicago Bears,
who are not by any means week at the defensive
line position.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
So help me with this.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
And it's not that I disagree with that. They writing
the article quarterback jured Golf logged the fourth highest average
time to throw, which ranked only behind justin fields Jalen
Hurts and Caleb Williams. So for reference, they write in
the Athletic Golf finished twenty thout of thirty six qualified

(41:01):
quarterbacks an average time to throw last year. This year,
after one game, he had time to throw now we
didn't think that. Those numbers kind of are a little strange.
I just got done telling you about the four man rush.
Green Bay ranked seventh, Detroit ranked second. Here they're telling
us that Goff ranked fourth with time to throw? Is

(41:23):
that on golf? Is that on Morton? Is that on
the receivers for not being able to get open?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
I don't know, it's not the receivers getting open, because
I'm around Saint Brown was open in the game, and
so was Jameson Williams a couple of times.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
But I don't understand the numbers. I don't understand the stats.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I feel like this is fools go I feel like
they're giving you because Terry Goff had thirty completions, which
thirty of them were behind the line of scrimmage. So
I think somehow this stat is you know, they're mixing
him getting rid of the pass of being a successful completion. Now,
let's add that to the time he had, because with
the time he had, he.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Made a successful completion.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Like, I don't know how much of it is that
versus actually being able to drop back in a five
step drop set to be able to get the ball
down to field fifteen to twenty yards because that didn't happen. Now,
if you want to tell me he got the ball
to the Jamiro gives ten times thirty five yards, congratulations. Like,
I'm tired of people mentioning that that's horrible. The fact
that he kept throwing him the ball, well, he took
what he gave him. He better figure out because there

(42:20):
were some times when Jameison Williams was open on that backside.
There were some times where Amar Saint Brown was actually
opened on the back dig and I saw Sam Laporter.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
So if you want to have.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
That conversation that he had more time than we think,
then Jared Goff has got to be better. And he's
another part of that caveat. Going into this season, we said,
is it Jared Golf or is it Ben Johnson?

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Is it Sean McVay or has it been I mean?
Or is it Jared Goff?

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Jared, Like, who are you without these geniuses? If you will,
can you make the throws? Can you make the players?

Speaker 5 (42:48):
Can you you know what?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
It breaks down? Protection breaks down? My first read isn't
there I gotta find a way to make a play.
Can you be that guy for the line?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
This is a really good debate, though, Why is it
that Jared Goff almost gets handicapped because he's with quote
unquote offensive geniuses and others don't, So we never say
that about certain other quarterbacks. We have had unbelievable offensive minds.
Bill Walsh was an offensive genius. Andy Reid is a

(43:19):
borderline offensive genius. Okay. And I don't know how much
Alex Smith gives Dandy Reid. I don't know much Tom
Patrick Mahomes gives Dandy Reid. But it seems like there's
a lot of people who are almost holding that against
Jared Goff. Correct me if I'm wrong. He's still the
one making the Reids. He's still the one making the throws.
He's still the one finding those tight windows in order

(43:39):
to be successful. Why are we giving so much credit
to somebody who's calling the play instead of the guy
who's executing the play.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Because when you're executing him playing, which is whyde opened
as much a different than you going out there and
doing some Josh Allen crazy shi t and making plays
happen like Jared Goff is not doing that. And we've
known that even when he got the fifty three million dollars.
We were excited he got it because behind that offensive line,
he was at fifty three million dollar quarterback with this
current offense. Whether it was more him or warton Ben Johnson,
I really don't care. Behind that he was a fifty

(44:08):
three million dollar quarterback. We knew going into this season,
like we knew going into the last season, like we
knew when he first got here. There were shortcomings and
mishaps in his game, things that he wasn't strong at,
and that's why they tried to buy him with the
system so he'd be a better version of himself, and
he was. But when you don't have that system, at
least it appears in Game one, the offensive line and
trying to figure out some things. More is on Jared

(44:31):
Goff and we know he's not a more quarterback. So
this isn't a new conversation. This is just coming back
to the forefront because you no longer have that system
in play that not protected him because he was doing
this thing too, like you said, but he no longer
has that system in play into.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Which he was actually great, to which he was actually
that guy.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Same thing happened kind of with Todd Gurley kind of
fell off in Los Angeles, so did Jared Goff.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It seems a little strange that we're willing to give
Ben Johnson the you know, the a little bit of
leash there, a little bit of leeway when they start
one for six a few years ago and Ben, But
Jared Goff is the guy who's to blame for it
because he's saddled with windsor losses in Pro Football Reference.

(45:15):
I don't think we're consistent with the argument. I don't
know many quarterbacks in the history of the sport who've
ever been elite or at least top ten, let's put
it that way in a specific year, unless they've had
a pretty good offensive line and pretty good weapons. Like
nobody holds that against Joe Burrow last year. Oh, you

(45:37):
have Jamar Chase, you have T Higgins, you have a
pretty good running game. He got a really good offensive
play caller. But it's all about Joe Burrow. And I'm
not saying Jered Joe Burrow. Please don't think that. I'm
just saying the association is not there.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
That's sneaky, though. Don't do that. I don't like that
in the sense of this. Joe Burrow went to the
Super Bowl with the worst offensive line. I've ever seen
him on line. I've never seen an offensive line make
the Super Bowl that looked like that Cincinnati Bengals did
in twenty twenty two. He still got to the Super
Bowl and barring two plays, would have won that Super
Bowl with that offensive line.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
That's what Joe Burrow did.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
So I don't care about Jamar Chase and all these
other guys because when he didn't have an offensive line,
when the Cincinnati Bengals front office tried to handicap to
him and maybe get him hurt yet again in year two,
year three, he rose to the occasion.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
So you got to take him out the conversation.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Well, how good was Jared Goff's offensive line when the
Rams went to the Super Bowl. If you see Andrew Witworth,
I mean that dude was forty plus years old. Okay,
he's still a good player now.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
When golf went, he was forty win the Stafford Stafford went,
he wasn't for he still was you know that right,
He had a little bit of it, So he wasn't
that long in the tooth around that Time's.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Still an older offensive line right now.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Okay, we're having a conversation that's really not even a
conversation is just the truth. Like Jared Golf of one
thing is one thing. Jared Golf of another thing is
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Ask you a question, Ask all you a question.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Why is it that Detroit fans don't like Ben Johnson?
What is it about Ben Johnson that Detroit fans do
not like and they have the hate and the inks
and want to beat him down.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
I'm anna talk about when they come in here, they're gonna.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Boom bta BELTI you know what. But they don't have
that same inks for Aaron Glynn. They don't have that
same feelings for Aaron Glenn. If Aaron Glenn was coming
in this coming Sunday with the New York Jets.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
Got a feeling it wouldn't be booze.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I think it would actually be like Ryan just alluded
to applause until the game started.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, I think it would be like Labor Torres playing
in front of the Yankees from the other night. I
think it's two full. And then I'm anxious to get
Ryan and stuff. I think it's two fold. First, Ben
Johnson is kind of snarky, and I think it doesn't
it didn't help him. I don't care that he went

(56:12):
to Chicago. I really don't. I mean, you take the
opportunity that is best for you and your family. Anybody
who says they wouldn't do it is full of crap. Okay,
he's turned down jobs, if you recall, I think he
said no to Washington because he said, you know, they're
baseball guys, which is are basketball guys, which is a
stupid thing to do publicly or even privately. But he
turned them down. He turned out Carolina. He wanted the

(56:35):
right opportunity. What's the right opportunity just because it's your
first opportunity? To go be a head coach doesn't mean
it's the right opportunity to be a head coach. There's
plenty of guys who've been out there and said, you
know what, I don't think so there's plenty of players
who've done the same thing. There's people you and I know,
friends of ours, or acquaintances in general who've decided to

(56:56):
take jobs based on money, location, opportunity. Right do I
have a chance to rise in this company? So I
don't blame him for taking the Chicago gig. One bit,
I think he lost me when some of his snarky
comments left a trail back to Detroit. And I think

(57:18):
with Aaron Glenn, because let's face it, he played in
the league for a long time, he was well respected.

Speaker 7 (57:25):
He talks like we do.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
He does he talks, he's a banty rooster who wants
the most out of his team, and he has basically
said when he first got to New York, this isn't
gonna fly. Now. I don't like the way he handled
the Aaron Rodgers think. I think that was bush league.
But and I'm not a big guy who believes in
booing ex coaches or athletes, especially if they were here.

(57:47):
He brought us great success. He brought a smile to
our face, he gave us confidence, He did a lot
of thrilling things here. I wish him for the most
part pretty well. I just want Detroit to beat the
hell out of his team on Sun Day and every
time they play him. So it's a long winded answer,
but I think he's a little snarky, and I think
he heard himself when he went to Chicago and said

(58:08):
some things that we took as detrimental to the character
of some of the players he coached.

Speaker 9 (58:15):
Yeah, I would, I'd say for the fans, not me,
But I'm saying for the fans. It's mainly because he
went to an Indivision rival. I think that's the main reason.
But I also think it could be a factor of
we had such a good thing going with the offense
the last two years. They're said that it's it's not
gonna be it's it's uncharted territories for what the offense
is gonna look like now without Ben Johnson. We were

(58:36):
so consistent with him for the last two years, and
now that they don't have him anymore, it might be
a little bit of what's our offense gonna look like,
we don't know what their offense is gonna look like.
Where you know, going into last season, there was kind
of like you kind of expected what the offense was
going to do.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
But I think the main.

Speaker 9 (58:51):
Reason for sure is definitely he's in the division still
and he it could possibly, quite possibly be he poses
a threat to them as well with how good he
was at the play calling last year. And I think
fans do think that he didn't coach and fully prepare
for the Commander's game. I think that's still dumb. Personally,
I think he prepared fine, but I think that's the reason.

Speaker 10 (59:14):
And I think whether he prepared or not, just seeing
the performance that matters too. The same thing is also
affecting jareded Golf, and people saw Aaron Glenn and his
defense overcome, you know, all of those injuries last year,
to the tune to still being serviceable.

Speaker 7 (59:29):
I thought that when you get into your A, your
B or C, that to me is what helps.

Speaker 10 (59:33):
And then obviously being within the division that's always going
to get people's blood boiling.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
So now you got a coach.

Speaker 10 (59:38):
Who, like Ryan said, some fans, for better or worse,
they don't know how much he was really dialed in mentally,
and then what do you mean, what would he commanders.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
With the commander's game.

Speaker 10 (59:49):
They thought that he had his mindset and interviews and
such that he took where you had other coaches though
during the same time, the assistant coaches from the commanders,
they declined their interviews during that time.

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
They said that they had other business.

Speaker 10 (01:00:02):
So, just just to be fair, that juxtaposition was out
there and fans thought Wind was Super Bowl you know
you're getting a head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I know, I do you honestly think that this is
a guy who's like, you know what, I'm not studying
for the test today because I've got a date with
a girl.

Speaker 9 (01:00:19):
No, I mean, as.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
We've got to use some common sense.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
But it's also just talking about your difference between fans
and your comment like that's what fans feel, and the optics.

Speaker 10 (01:00:29):
We go one hundred optics when we talked Matt Patricia,
I want optics out of somebody who knows he's getting
a head coach, whether it's fans in general or not.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
That's what I said at the at the end of it.

Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
If they succeeded, I think people would be able to
stomach a little bit better.

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
But then you also look at the way they exited.

Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
I thought that Aaron Glynn's exit it was a little
less Ben Johnson and the the the fanfare around his
introduction with Chicago and this is what I always wanted
to be and blah blah blah. Those things I can
understand because we were just listening to Ben Johnson tell
us those same things as Detroit fans, we buy in
hood or whether a head right or not.

Speaker 7 (01:01:04):
Not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
As ahead coach he wasn't though, I mean for his role.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
My thoughts are this, uh, this is where it starts
to me as it relates to Ben Johnson. Going into
the season last year, he kept bringing up the fact
that he turned down those two head coaching jobs. That
he brought up the fact continuously about the Commanders. And
it wasn't just it wasn't just people ask some questions
and so you have him to speak on.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
This was him talking up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
I saw a couple interviews where he brought it up
at first. You know, you know when I interview with
the Commanders, it just wasn't the right Get sir, six
weekend season, like y're in week six at this current season.
Why do I care about the interviews that you had
in the off season. So I didn't like that. I
didn't hold it against him. I just paid attention. I
did not like it at all. Now you get to
the season, you get to the end, and everybody's like,
oh man, he wasn't down in. He was interviewing. He

(01:01:49):
was going here and he was going there. News flash.
That's how the NFL operates. At the end of the season.
This is your window to interview with other franchises. That's
the same window ag took. It's the same window Ben
Johnson took. It's the same window that Dan Quinn took
the year before. It's the insert coach that has a
new job, Kevin O'Connell. When he was at the ramp.

Speaker 10 (01:02:06):
There was a commander's coach, though, who decided I'm turning
it down. And that's what made fans mad that you
lost to that team whose assistant coach said, I'm actually
dialed in here. Not that Ben Johnson wasn't, But that's
why a lot of people pulled that right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
One hundred percent. Could care less about that. My thing
was more so that he just kept bringing it up.
Now you get to the end of the season, like
I said, like, this is a part of it. And
now they want to blame Ben Johnson for that game.
Did Ben Johnson throw four interceptions and fumbled the ball?

Speaker 7 (01:02:35):
Did he do that? Did he do that?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
And then you also want to make it, Brad, You
want to make it Dan Campbell's offense. When things go,
it's Dan Campbell's offense. Anyway, Good riddance to him. But
Dan Campbell played you in the Washington Commander's game. If
you feel that way, moving past that, because that's the
year before and the year before me exactly. That doesn't
bother me. That didn't bother me. It was when he
started making little comments to.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
What you alluded to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
The trail got back to Pine Suit, trail got back
to Jared Goff. Trail got back to Dan cam when
some of the things and some of the little jokes
and things, they were jokes.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
But this is called in house. Anybody love the Godfather?

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
What is He always says, you never talk about family
business outside the family when you're on text Fred, don't
do that when you're on text chains with Dan Campbell,
when you guys see each other and you make a
little small talk with Saint Brown and all those things.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
That's fun. You guys can crack all the jokes you
want to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
You're in Chicago, there and Detroit, but you guys are
still have some type of report. But you said those
things publicly on purpose. And he got back to us
and he look stupid when you bought all mall of
Flor's and he was like, who never heard of this?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Dude?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Like that's when you start to realize when amar Ra
Saint Brown makes that comment on the podcast, like you
ain't like that, you're active. I intend to agree with
amar Ra Saint Brown, like he's getting this fake he's
getting this Brian Kelly on Well Family, He's getting that
Brian Kelly all.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
And I don't like fake people.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
So now you take it back to the comments that
you kept bringing up because you wanted people to know.
I'm like that, I'm turning down jobs. I'm turning down
the commander's job.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Just that third, I'm a wanted man.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
That's why they bust your ass in the playoffs. But
I don't care about him going to the Chicago Bears.
They had Kayler Williams, who is the first round quarterback
drafted after winning the Heisman Trophy two years prior to that,
you have dj more Roma Dudas that you bring, like
all of these things that they had.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
He's a very good defense, really good defense.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
In fact, Detroit knows about that defense because two years
ago that defense beat Detroit. So you have all this
at your disposal, and you turned down some gigs and
now you have this opportunity. This is the opportunity you want.
I don't like what happened after he left. He turned
into that after he left, the fake guy. So stop
talking about the commander's loss. Stop talking about the interview process.

(01:04:42):
The real reason why, the real reason why you guys
hate him is because you were scared. Exactly, the real reason.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
Why Lions fans don't like him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Is because you were scared all that success that you had,
and rightfully so, the Lions or the NFL had never
seen some of the offensive things that Ben Johnson has
done in the last three years.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Facts, it is in black and white, and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
You knew that he's going over to this team that
has a good defense and maybe he was the guy
that could turn this Chicago Bears franchise around. That's why
they hate him, because he's scared. And then they saw
the game this past Sunday, They're like, oh, you know what, well,
we're gonna be the winning It is not that big
a deal. They were scared that Ben Johnson was going
to go there and do the same things that he'd

(01:05:22):
done here with Detroit have that type of success.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Just give the man his credit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
And I never looked at it that way. Thanks. We
needed that, No, I'm serious, and we needed that. Here's
the thing I would say when people say, oh, you know,
he went to the Bears indivision, So Chicago should hate
David Montgomery, right, that's number one. Green Bay should hate
t J. Lang Right.

Speaker 10 (01:05:43):
My longer is not necessarily I think you give you
a career. I think that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
It's players. It's different with players.

Speaker 7 (01:05:49):
I do no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Dennis Robbins. Should we hate Dennis robbin He went to Chicago?
You know John Sally was Chicago. I hated it, Okay,
but no, you hated it. But did you boo him?

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
Me?

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
Yes, As players are going to go and do what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
They think is best for them in their career, I
don't blame them one bit. Okay, they're gonna a lot
of times chase them. One of the other trips chasing
the ring. Coaches are gonna do the same damn thing,
period And I hate to tell people this. For the
most part, there's a broad brush. Most people would do
the same thing in their careers.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Now I will say this, though, I will add this
caveat because I know some I know some Lion fans
out there, like Braylan, You're not being one thousands in.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
Fact you about that game. So here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Yes, I cannot believe that he started David Montgomery coming
off a knee surgery, a knee injury in which they
said he may need surgery when he first got injured,
and now all of a sudden he's good enough to
start over Jamior Gibbs, the hottest player in the NFL
not named two six from the Philadelphia Eagles. And then, oh,
by the way, yes, that Jamison play. That the Jamison
pass play. I don't get at it in the since

(01:07:00):
that this game, this play would have turned the game around.
Games over. At that point, the game is over. I'm
mad that they said, of all the people to throw
a pass, whether it was Binaso, whether it's amar Ro
Saint Brown, where the Jamiir Gibbs, Dave Montgomery of all
the guys that they tried out, the Detroit Lions players,
they had a consensus just for movies, don't throw the

(01:07:20):
ball of stone, hands necessary repertences, don't let Jamo be
the quarterback?

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
And what did he do? So those two things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I can throw as a member of the National Football and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
It better be his last throw. I can see those
two players as people being pissed off. Yes, I was
pissed off too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
How about the fact that, you know, and grin, what
Ben Johnson did here deserves applause? Yeah, because facts, he
was really good. He was They were really fun to watch,
and I hope it stays that way. I really do.
But the fact that people are saying that he was,
you know, flirting with Chicago. If he doesn't flirt with

(01:07:59):
them and he misses the opportunity to interview and he's
back like he.

Speaker 7 (01:08:05):
Was the only person of getting that job, I'm convinced that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Okay, you can be convinced of it, you can be
convincid of all you want, you can be convincive of
all you want. But if you're in the situation, you
don't want to miss the opportunity either. And again I'm
sounding like I'm making an apology for him, and I'm
not because I can't. You know, I've already told you
I want them to beat the hell out of Chicago.

Speaker 10 (01:08:27):
I think it's fair and balance takes. I do like
I feel the way that I do. But I understand
exactly where Brave's coming from. I understand where you're coming from.
And ultimately, yeah, I think that people are just hurt
because of the way it ended. If we apply what
we do to Jared Golf, what have you done for
me last or lately, you have to apply that to
Ben Johnson, who called probably one of his worst games
of the season after the first few weeks of the

(01:08:49):
season in the playoffs where it mattered most where everybody
says super Bowl or bus and you know, if he's.

Speaker 7 (01:08:55):
Walking out that door and Aaron Glynn is walking out
that door.

Speaker 10 (01:08:59):
And you might lose players. It wasn't just him. I
will take this part of the bait, right. We were scared,
but it wasn't because all of our eggs were in
the Ben Johnson basket. The offense was a part of
it that I actually was more confident about. It was
a defensive side that I was wondering. I believe in
Calvin Shepherd, but we have a lot of injuries and
people that we think are our dogs are coming back

(01:09:20):
from injury, whereas the offensive side, we got all pros
walking around talking big. I thought that Jary Golf was
going to be a guy, and I still do. Who
can elevate this even without Ben Jonson?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
But my issue with that is, like he called one
of his worst games. Perhaps he did, I can't. I
know they scored thirty points, which some of it was
at the end, so I mean, you know, we'll probably
put an asterisk next to it, and they gave up
forty five. Now a lot of that is because of
the turnovers. I understand that, okay, But a lot of
times when we talk about football and we talk about

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the ultimate team sport, and we're always saying, you got
to pick me up. Okay, Pitcher gives up a home run,
offense picked me up. Offense is strong, going to score,
Pitcher picked me up. Get those guys out, one, two, three.
Football is no different, Okay. I don't recall anybody saying
anything that. When Aaron Glenn left about this, he called

(01:10:12):
the worst game he's ever called as a member of
the Lions. Coaching staff at the worst time. Why because
he was flirting with the Jets.

Speaker 7 (01:10:21):
I think it matters if you got your dogs or not.
I really want Now we're making excuses. No, it's your
personnel matters. We're sitting here talking about that right now
with the Edges.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
We didn't say that against Minnesota. We have no problem
with Minnesota, and Minnesota looked pretty good at times during
the year with fourteen wins, didn't they. We didn't say
one thing about that when they gave a what nine
points to Minnesota two weeks prior to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
The problem is the problem is the defense for the
Detroit Lions last year. They overachieved for the majority of
the year, and the reason why they are allowed to
overachieve is because the offense was the best offense in
the NFL last year, and they were one of the
best offense in the history of the NFL statistically. That
offense covered for that defense as all season long, all
season long, and then when the defense had to make

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a couple of plays in some games ie the Texans game,
ie the Packers game, when you're a lambet, ie the
Vinkings game, they made those plays because they didn't have
to make too many of them. And then you get
to the Washington Commander's Game, where finally you have so
many people injured on the defensive side of the ball
that when you get a bad offensive game by Jared Golf,
when you get a couple of mistakes at the offensive

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coordinated position by Ben Johnson, now all of a sudden,
you look bad on that side that's been saving the
other side. And now that side is playing terrible because
they've got a bunch of guys injured, and this side
is playing terrible, and there's no one to save them.
There's no noticing. That's what really happened in the Commander's game.
Water finally met its level. The offense couldn't be forty
five points in Jared Golf be forty one or forty

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two and have those crazy numbers. He had a bad game,
it happens, but the defense had an even worse game,
and now you mix them together, you can't win those games.
Water met its level. That's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
And somebody said in the chat, and rightfully so. Ben
Johnson didn't lose that game. Jared Goff lost that game.
And Jared Goff says that, so we're holding that game
against Ben Johnson, and I at times have done it too,
and I'm probably wrong because of the one player or
two things.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Two things easy the name of the guy that is
no longer here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
That's right. One is the Jamison Williams pass horrible, which
I think was horrible. He made the call. I could
sit there and say, but the player's got to throw
it away because there's no way an offensive coordinator looks
at Jameis Williams anyway offensive quarter and says, this is
gonna be your first pass in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (01:12:32):
Just squeeze it in there. I'll guarantee you. They said.
If it's not there, I'm throw the damn thing away.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
So I've done three reverse passes in the NFL. I'm
only throwing one of them because exactly what happened the
first time I ran one was in Cleveland. Legitimately, this
is what Rob Chidzinski said, If excuse me, if Kellen's
not there, throw the ball out of bounce or run
and get down.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Do what you can. That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:12:54):
Kellen was covered.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
I said, I bet I got two yards on the run.
Second time I ran with the Jets, I saw Jacob
down here. I took a chance. I said, I gotta
try something. Got it down there. Jacob didn't make the play.
I'm sorry, Zake you no, I'm blaming. I'm getting a
quarterback on me. See what you gotta make it. I
was doing that just like you see all the quarterbacks
do on the TV screen so they can act like
it was not their fault, which it was. So that

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was on me, and then the other one I threw
out of bounds. But the conversation all three times with
Rob Chazinski and with Brian Schottenheimer, if the first option
there isn't. First of all, I'm not a quarterback. There
is no first Oh, let me get to my second read.
I didn't get paid to be a quarterback. There's one
read and there's out of bounds. One read and out
of bounce, and that's what I guarantee you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
Ben Johnson told Jamon. But he shouldn't have been in that.

Speaker 7 (01:13:39):
Position in the first I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 9 (01:13:41):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
I'm not what is it exuding any of me? Ben
Johnson ill will here it should be. But Jamison Williams
knew damn well what he was supposed to do, and
he still tried to squeeze it in there. That was
the first play. The other play is David Montgomery, you know,
starting him. Like you and I have talked about this,
I do wonder if that's Ben Johnson or Dan Campbell.

(01:14:04):
Dan Campbell had to know that was taking place too.
The head coach is responsible for something, yes, he has
to okay it, so we are immediately to blame. And
I said that too. I'm immediate to blame Ben Johnson.
And I gotta remember that Dan Campbell probably had something
to do with that too and thought it was the
right play as well.

Speaker 10 (01:14:22):
But if I'm a blame Dan Campbell for anything, then
I'm gonna definitely make sure that Ben Johnson's getting some
blame too.

Speaker 7 (01:14:27):
That's all I'm saying. I'm not one of the fans.

Speaker 10 (01:14:29):
I don't disagree with hates Ben Johnson to the degrees
that others do. But I'm definitely gonna have my fun
with the guy who's now in division, a guy who
we had some success with, a guy who wants to
tear our heads off too. He wants to he wants
to win this thing, and he wants to win every game.
Why shouldn't he. Yeah, it's not think that every little
bit of a little bit of bullets important to you

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that fans tape.

Speaker 7 (01:14:52):
I'm not gonna doubt the ones that.

Speaker 10 (01:14:53):
Go a little bit overborder extreme with the hate of
Ben Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
But we brought up Ben Johns and we did not
bring up when we brought that part of it up.
We brought up Ben Johnson, and we didn't bring up
Dan Campbell. And the reason we brought up Ben Johnson
is because he left. And the reason we didn't bring
up Dan Campbell is because he's still here.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
And speaking of Dan Campbell and speaking of bulletin board material,
look what he did yesterday. This is called bulletin board material.
You're already facing a head coach that knows you better
than you know yourself. You're already facing a guy and
Ben Johnson that knows this team. And I'm not just
talking about the offense and what you guys do. He
knows your defense. He had to play against that defense
every day for the better part of the last three years.

(01:15:32):
He knows where you're weak, which is a lot of places.
It's called the Spaders player. He knows the players. You
know how many times he's been in practice. One of
the first things you do as an offensive coordinator when
you're assessing your team. You know, if I was a
defensive coordinator playing against my team, like, what would I do?

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
Oh yeah, I would double all right here in the slot.
You know what I'm saying. I would allow Jamo on
the outside to do this. I would put to it.
These are the things that you do.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
He's been playing this game for three years and now
he actually has an opportunity to play this game with
the defense against the Lions at home.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
Watch out Damn made that comment. I'm not gonna lie.
It's gonna be hell to pay.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
I'm not saying they're gonna lose, but it's gonna be
hell to pay because you know he has something for
the Detroit last. He has been working on his game
plan since he can't when he first got to Chicago.
He'sn't working on a game plan. So it's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
And this isn't the first time Dan has done that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
I know.

Speaker 10 (01:16:18):
He did guarantee a victory effectively against the Minnesota Vikings
in the past against koc oh no, no no, he guaranteed
a victory actually against the Commanders and told the Vikings
will be seeing you and so, and that did not work,
but not publicly he said that he didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
For the game, he did it. It went all super okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I thought I thought he said it to the vikings
after the last game.

Speaker 7 (01:16:41):
Oh, that got picked up on everything, that went everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
And somebody in the chap brought up a really good point.
Don't forget the Gibbs fumble. That gets conveniently overlooked now.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
But but it gets it gets conveniently overlooked. You can't
fumble in the big moments. But it goes back to
what we were initially talking about. He shouldn't have had
to come in and try to figure out the rhythm
of the game. He should have been the start and
running back in there. I'm not forgiving the fumble. He
has a grown man, He gets paid, he has a
grown man, and we give a lot of credit to
So you got to give the criticism when you deserve it.

(01:17:12):
He deserved the criticism on that one, just like he
did in the one against the forty nine ers. But
it's a different rhythm when you're trying to figure it
out versus already being in there, and that's where he
should have been. He should have been in that backfield
to start the game, and you can say, well, the
Lions still had the league after that, correct, But it
was what they did, what they allowed to reach the
Washington Commander's defense to real life, we can stop these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I get that. I would argue Jamior Gibbs early in
the season, before Davin Montgomery was hurt, he was not
starting every game, so I don't think that's a unique
situation for him to come in. I think what overshadows
his fumble is the obvious the four interceptions by Jared
goll I'm saying that's the primary reasons. I'm just saying

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we convene. We remember Ben Johnson screwed up because Jamison
Williams three the ball. We remember the defense getting carved up.
We remember Jared Goff's interceptions. But we also have to
reminder everybody part of the turnover issue was Jamiir Gibbs
is fumbled too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
You're right, he didn't start most of the games that season,
but the last four games.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
What did he do?

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
He started, so in the last four weeks he's got
a rhythm. Minute you take him out of one, not
only do you have but bye week because you had
the best record in NFC. You also don't start him
in that doc's coming up in a minute. And I
just want to get to the tonight's game at some point.

Speaker 7 (01:18:28):
Okay, we can do that when we come back.

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And at the end of the football season, we're gonna
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a nice dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
No, it is coming, That's fine by me. Sometimes I
might be late on purpose to be honest with it, Hey,
Tigers are going to finish up the series against the
Yankees real quick tonight. They have kicked their ass the
last two nights. I don't know if people saw this record,
but for the first time in Yankees history, they have
lost back to back home games by ten runs or.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
More to the same team, first time ever in either stadium.
That's crazy, which means the history.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
Of the Yanks.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Twelve to two in the first game, late Surge, eleven
to one last night, Late Surge. And what's interesting is
one that Detroit is four and one against the Yankees
this year, okay, and they have outscored them by a
ton and they have been very successful in that department
against Boston, Houston, and the Yankees combined. All three of

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those teams could be a first round or one of
those three teams could easily be a first round matchup.
So you feel pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
If the Tigers playing the rest of the year like
they did in the seventh inning last night and the
night before, we're in for a treat.

Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
In October nineteen to one.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
The Tigers outscored the Yankees in the last two games,
just in the seventh innings Lets nineteen to one in
just the seventh inning, last two game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
That's nuts against a Yankees team that is had been
playing really well. He wins okay and had won seven
of its last ten, had been playing really well. Bats
were hot and yes and known for its power.

Speaker 7 (01:27:38):
When Detroit is the team.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
They had one home run last night the Yankees did.
Detroit had three. Carpenter hit one, Green hit one, Colt
Keith with his first ever pinch hit home run. So
Detroit has outscored them this year thirty seven to nine.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
But I like about that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
I'm gonna tell you, like you don't, you don't take
stock in these games. I gets what I take stocking is.
I guess it won't matter if we play the Yankees
in the postseason.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
I love what that says.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
One Like you said, they're four on one two. They
can hit in that ballpark, smaller park. That's why Coley
Bella just having a year he's having. But it plays well.
Tigers are showing you, well, mind going to New York.
We don't mind his crowd, we don't mind what this is.
We can go there and we can get it done.
I like that because this could be a potential matchup
and it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Could be a matchup against Boston or Houston. As I mentioned,
they still have Boston at the end of the year
at Fenway Park, which should actually play to Detroit's strengths.
But Detroit so far this year against the Yankees, against
the Astros, and against the Red Sox, that combined eleven
and four against those three teams, they have outscored them
one hundred and one to forty five, two one to

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forty five. There you go. Now that turns half.

Speaker 7 (01:28:49):
That stat is worth That is absolutely worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
And I think what needs to be emphasized, especially of
the first two games of this series, like Jack Flaherty
was really good. Lifelast night.

Speaker 7 (01:29:00):
Okay, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
How he could struggle against the White Sox, struggle against
the Royals, and pitch lights out against Houston and lights
out against the Yankees.

Speaker 7 (01:29:08):
Just call him cedar point. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
I don't know what the hell that means. All right,
I'm just telling you it's it's a weird phenomenon. But
aj Hinch's ability to manage a game, he's just smarter
and better than everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
He just is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
It doesn't mean they're gonna win the championship. It's just
how he can handle his lineup. Like the top of
the lineup, he's got Jami Jones. Guess what he's daring
Aaron Boone. Once Carlos Rodanna's out, I dare you to
go to a writing Yeah, and you know why because
I got Glabor Torres right behind him, and Aaron Boone's
gonna go. I want to go out, give me the writing, Carrie,

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come on in Carpenter with a Bob Cole Keith, come
on in Cole Keith. Okay, So he's got it set
up like that, and then his bullpen, the way he
uses his guys, and they're gonna be fresh today, bulleting
game right. It has to because Tyler Holten's starting right,
but a lot of the back end guys are there.
Remember I was a little distraught because Kyle Finnegan is

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on the IL and he's been their best reliever since
he's come to town.

Speaker 7 (01:30:13):
And they're still getting it done. Now, is it exactly
how you'd like it to be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
I'm not going to read too much into just these
past two games, because remember the previous two series weren't great. Yeah,
so we'll see what happens when Miami comes to town,
but I would expect them to open up a proverbial
cannibal whip ass on Miami as well.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
Yeah, I think Detroit Tigers fans need to be much
more patient than the Detroit Lions fans in that regard. Yeah,
Tigers are gonna win in Division. The Tiger's a gonna
get in that postseason. It seems like they're they're finding
their level, you know, playing this series against the Yankees.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
I love it. I love to see it. I love
to see what Casey Mayas looked like on the mound.
That was a good sign.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
And then yesterday Jack Flaherty, that's the biggest thing. Do
you have two and three in the postseason? Do you
have a two and a three in the postseason? Because
you damn sure got it won. So seeing pitching like that,
and this is a team whose bats were high. The
Yankees have a lot of hitters on that team, they
have a lot of offense. Well, Tacker's found a way
to kind of nullify that point.

Speaker 7 (01:31:06):
So I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
I like what I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
I think the Yankees are in trouble. I've said that. Well, look,
I think Aaron Boon does a good job. I don't
think he's a J. Hinch by any stretch. I don't
think he's Dave Roberts by any stretch. I don't think
he's Bruce.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
He has a lot of talent, a lot of money.
He's been there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Well, I don't know how much talent he truly has,
But I mean, they're known tad home runs. They're not
very good defensively, they're not very good on the bass pass,
and they throw a lot of wild pitches. Buck Martinez
said it, I'm gonna I don't want to steal all
his clunner. But Buck Martinez said it during the Toronto broadcast.
Yes I'm a geek, and he basically called them out
and Toronto had a win last night, four to three.

(01:31:42):
He's like, the Yankees are getting pummeled by Detroit. They're
not that good of a baseball team because they don't
do a lot of the little things, the things that
we overlook, the things that oftentimes aren't in the numbers.
Is something Detroit does seemingly very well. There's not a
lot of balls in the dirt, there's not a lot
of wild pitches, there's a lot not a lot of

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outs being made on the basis they do a lot
of the little things.

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
They hit, the cutoff man, they throw to the right base.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
I know, it's boring. It's almost like, you know, Braylan's
shooting for par all the time. I'm just gonna have
a big part of the green and I've got a
two putt from there. That's who they are, and that's
a good thing to be when you're playing a.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Team like New York Yankees seem like a team just
relies on the phenomenal. They rely on the star players
more than they rely on cohesion and doing things the
right way and the extra effort and building a cohesion together.
Like it seems like, hey, if Aaron Judge isn't getting
you two home runs, yeah, if Juan Soto, who's no
longer there, I know, but if he's not hitting bombs back,
and if gian Carlos stan who's finally back, and if

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he's not hitting home runs, if Max Freed isn't on
the mind striking out ten, Like you're literally looking for
your all stars to do all star things and you're
not doing the small things in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Well, I thought I really thought Detruit might be in
a little bit of a challenging situation because of Carlos
Rodin last night. Yeah, and that was not the situation anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
So they like to rolle down from the playoffs to wrap.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Up tonight against Tyler Holton versus man, I don't know,
go ahead now, I was.

Speaker 7 (01:33:09):
Gonna see see our favorite doctor is in the house too, doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
All right, Doctor Jeffer Pearce is ready to roll, and
he's on location. He's not in the house, but he
is on location.

Speaker 7 (01:33:22):
Doc.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
How are you today?

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Us?

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
We got there, we got you that.

Speaker 7 (01:33:30):
We're looking into the sun for.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
Are you a Joshua Tree? What's going on on the
Joshua Tree?

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
We'll talk about why you know that a little bit later.
We should probably do a show on that. But I'm
at sundance sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
Utah, Okay, what.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Are you doing there? Why you're there?

Speaker 7 (01:33:55):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
Don't don't convert religion while you're out there.

Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
Brother. Now we're trying to do comparisons and we're still
number one, so we won't get we won't. We won't
get real thick there. No, I'm having a hard time
with receptions, so I'm a little shocking. I'm outside here,
so it's all good. But that the view, I mean
the view you know, Robert Redford lamb here and it's beautiful. No,

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I'm here for a conference and we're kicking off, well
a little bit more than that, but sundance, you know
all those things. Anyhow, it's beautiful. It's beautiful there. So
what do you guys want to get into.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Well, we miss you, that's for sure, for certain, and
we want some insight Terry on Arnold did practice today,
but if you recall, he left the second half or
only played the first half of the Lions Packers game
because of a groin issue. So what can you update
Lions fans on as far as Terry and Arnold is

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concerned and how sense slash tender slash concern should we
be regarding what could be a reoccurring problem with him.

Speaker 6 (01:35:09):
Well, that's the best part is what you said at
the end. That's the most concerning. You know, Arnold Dunn.
You know everybody saw the interview with him where he's
basically on playing through it. It's a nagging injury that's
going to be there for a while. Go learn how
to play with it. So again, I mean for a
corner to play. You know, Brayley and I have talked
a lot of times about playing. And you know, if
you've got five gears and you stay in second and

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third to get by and don't re injure that, that's fine.
The problem is he's the corner, so he's being directed
by those receivers, and those receivers all they do is
living fourth and fifth gear. So that's where my real
concern is. Is he gonna be able to keep up,
Is he gonna be smart enough, Is he gonna hit
him harder off the line to slow him down. You're

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gonna see a different style of play because that growing
is definitely it's a very crucial part of playing his position,
and it can be hones if we have the anatomy.
But I mean it's that anatomy, right, you know in
your privates there in the inside of your leg, that growing.
So it's anywhere from a to an England air area

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to a minor sports hernia area. All that stuff comes
together and if you start weakening that area. And granted
I trust the medical team there and him, but Arnold
wants to play, So will he be at risk for
further injury? One hundred percent? Can he play in fourth
and fifth gear against those receivers. I'm not overly confident

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that he will be, because I mean he's going up
against the team with an offensive coach that's knows how
he plays and knows where his weakness is. So I'm
a little I have concerned. I want him to play. He's,
you know, a great guy in the locker room, great
guy in the field, but if he can't keep up,
that's an issue. Anatomy.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
Yeah, you Danello Hitt, and I appreciate the anatomy out
the doctor for sending these clips in and kool aid
getting it going. That's with Rock and Rolling on the interview.
You bring up a great point.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Look, I had a growing industry when I had a
growing nag when I first got drafted by the Cleveland Browns.
They wrap it with the hand, you know, they wrap
it with the ace, bangs on the inside where it said,
then pull it around the ways and then put the
tape on there and you get the feel of Okay,
I don't have this gear today, but I may have
a little bit of that. You bring up a great point.
They're going against Roman doing today as well as DJ Moore.
Those guys are physical, they're fast receivers and they love

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to work the line of scrimmas.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
This is gonna be a long season. We know what
happened with the DB's last year.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
They had some growing injuries, whether it was in this
race Straw, whether it was tearying Arnold also had some
hamstring deals as well. This is a long season and
you're gonna need tearing Arnold. You're gonna need to have
the guy that we said is gonna make an improvement
in year two for these Detroit lines.

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
Would you just sit him? Would you just sit him
this game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
So that he's more important for the third game against
the Baltimore Ravens, the fourth game against the Chiefs or
the Cleveland Browns. Would you just sit him to allow
him some time to really get back, really rest that
growing here, because this is a long season and we
don't need this to be a thing we want two, three, four, five.
I'd rather be a thing we won and then we

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shut it down until week three.

Speaker 6 (01:38:09):
Goodness. Yeah, I mean this is one of those where
I tell you he wants to mentally play. We'll watch
him on the opportunity, But also we're watching him differently.
You're looking at his right versus left, his first step,
what's he doing in ketchup? Does he have that speed
to catch up, does he have being able to go
side to side? Is he equal or is he favoring it?

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Is he going to lead to other injuries from it
because he's babing that. That's where we look at. If
he's being honest Wich, he should be. He's a professional
that if he can hold up, I mean, I mean
not to bring it up. You know, the Packers took
advantage of him in that first that first quarter. I
mean he you know, like he said, I'm not a
man that makes an excuse with Mike Groin. He's gotta

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be real for the best of the team. So if
he does go out there, I'm sure the medical team's
gonna watch how he's moving, how he's accelerating, what's going on. Yeah,
he's gonna be wrapped. He's gonna have some secret sauce
to get out there. But again, can he keep up
with a guy that knows he's weak and a head
coach that knows he's weak and go after him. If

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he can't be strong enough on the line to slow
him down in open field, I don't think he's to
be able to keep up. I mean, these guys are
hard to keep up when he's one hundred percent. I mean,
they're good, they're good receivers, So I think it's gonna
play a role. I'm not confident he I mean I
will be the first to say if he has a
great game on Sunday, I'll be the first guy to
say that he worked, he worked through it and fought

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hard and he gritted it out like Detroit Lions like
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Let's shift gears to a different sport. That the Tigers
are a game up on the Toronto Blue Jays for
best record in the American League, and Toronto had just
seen one of their best players go on the injured list,
Boba Schett, with a left knee spring. It was announced
earlier this week that he is on the shelf the
fifteen day I or the ten day il excuse me,

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retroactive Sunday, which.

Speaker 7 (01:40:08):
Tells you it may not be that bad.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
But considering the position he plays and the type of
player that he is, where he tries to take extra
bases and he's aggressive swinger, what does the left knee
sprain do to a guy who plays in his style?

Speaker 6 (01:40:25):
So there's two thoughts here. One there one game out,
like you said, but I think they're pretty much guaranteed
a wild a wild card losing him right now. Maybe
they're looking ahead for the playoffs. We want one hundred
percent for the playoffs. You know, that knee sprain, they're
calling it a sprain. I mean there's three different there's
four different grades. It's knee sprains. I think we have
the anatomy on that too, but it's I think it's

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a simple injury. It was a contact injury. It did
look like his knee like flung around. It looked like
full contact right on the knee. So does he have
a little bruising that's going to cause the discomfort and
a little ligaments which typically will heal with him five
to seven days. They want to do it to fifteen day.
Then that was a coaching player decision to say, let's

(01:41:10):
get to maximum right now, let's go for the long
run in the playoffs. So I think it was a
playoff decision. You know, I think they're confident they can
get there without them. You know, is that too lofty
or was he just not able to be productive? I
mean he's the short stop there, it's an integral part
of the team, and he's a little he's you know,

(01:41:31):
he's an energy bunny out there, so he brings a lot.
And when you're seeing here, you're seeing different clips of
the knee. I know we have it up on the
screen there. You're looking at a simple string Grade one,
which is just a stretching, versus grade two where you
have a little micro tearing, and then grade three, where
you're more concerned. So he's probably in then between that
grade one grade two, because grade three we would have

(01:41:53):
heard other stuff unless they're gonna you know, we didn't
hear about the MRI reports or anything like that. It
is Toronto. I don't know how much we care. I mean,
we control our own destiny, so we're not really worried
about anybody below us at this point. But I think
with this, I think he is. I think he's speak
between that one and two. They're playing a conservative and
I think they're confident. They want they're gonna get in

(01:42:15):
the playoffs, and they want a guy who's one hundred
percent when they start.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
Speaking of control your own destiny.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
Right now, the San Francisco forty nine ers, they control
their own destiny in the NFC West, but their quarterback
isn't doing too hot. He has a shoulder as well
as the toe. Kyle Shanahan came out and said, look,
we are not sure that he's going to play this game.
In fact, they're leaning to the fact that he probably
will miss this game. Mac Jones would be your quarterback
for this game at least as of now. How bad
does the shoulder and until have to be if week

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two a team like that with the forty nine as
a rock party, fifty plus million dollar man for them
to sit him potentially, how bad does he have to
be hurting?

Speaker 5 (01:42:49):
What does that look like for the forty.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Nine And it's his non throwing shoulder, Doc, it's just
left shoulder and control, right, I.

Speaker 6 (01:42:57):
Think you're probably more involved in toe turf toe. It's
just it's baffles our medical community. Bone that's my boy,
So that's not an important bone, but it's more the
generic to we'll throw his turf toe. It's still a
mystery to the medical community. We have not been able

(01:43:20):
to get a great handle on it. I'll admit to it,
and probably some of the doctors out there, if they
are listening, is going to argue with me. But it
just seems like that I'm going nagging injury that are
really dependent on the player to feel because when he's
positioning he has to push off. He creates some power
from that. That's more of the issue his left arm.
You know, that's okay, that's an early early season decision.

(01:43:42):
It's not a story and arm I guarantee you if
we're in the hunt of the playoffs at the end
of the season, he'd probably be playing right now. He
get a little bit more secret sauce. They probably want
to give their backup quarterbacks some experience right now, let
them go. I don't even know who. I forget who
they're playing this week.

Speaker 5 (01:43:59):
They yeah, they got the New Orleans Saints and Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
It doesn't concern anybody that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Wi Fi is a little bit concerning a little bit
about the turf toe is. It's like a bone and
it splits in half. So I had a turf toe
deal my senior year University of Michigan during training camp,
and they set me down a couple of days, maybe
two three days, and it was basically how bad the
bone cracks?

Speaker 5 (01:44:27):
Like where that turf toe is.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
I know docs can come back here and correct me,
but it's how bad that bone cracks can depend on
what you can do and what you can do. My
level wasn't cracked as much. It hurt like hell, but
it wasn't like Dion's level where his turf toe since
he got him out of the NFL. It's that crack.
How big is the crack and what can you tolerate?
I could tolerate a lot in that sense. But the
more that thing opens up, I think the more you

(01:44:50):
have to sit down or even retire in case of
Dion for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Dock.

Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
Yeah, I mean it's hard. I mean there's a little
orthotics things we can do to cushion it. There's injections
that we used to do back in the day. You know,
some of the biologics have proven to be very helpful,
but again, they need time to work. It's not a five,
four or five day fix.

Speaker 9 (01:45:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:45:13):
Could you do a certain type of injection to get
him paying free for four hours of the day, Yeah,
but that causes more damage. So again, I think I
think it's a conservative decision by San Francisco. We want
to have him healthy. These are nagging, the injuries that
can last a long time, So I think they just

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want to be a little bit more conservative at this point.
I think he'll be fine. You know, I think two
or four weeks or two.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Weeks they're saying. They're saying right now for yeah, yeah,
uh before we let you go, you were on the
field with the b YU team. Were you not this week?

Speaker 5 (01:45:55):
Yeah, that's what I go to see this.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
They actually weren't practicing at the time I was on
the football field, and then Simon's are were out there
in strength. These guys are large up close. They're very
large up close. And uh, I'm actually out here with
doctor Gross one of our docks out here. I'm gonna
be We're at a conference, and this was a play
that I thought was designed to come to me as

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we watch it right on the practice field, I'm gona
I'm gonna tell you land at my feet.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
I'm gonna tell you definitely wasn't. It wasn't designed for you.
It was designed to hit you. The quarterbacks didn't. Are
you trying to hit you? The quarterbacks just have no
mustard in that arm.

Speaker 6 (01:46:46):
Okay, the way they said it is like.

Speaker 5 (01:46:50):
He tried to trying to hit you. He trying to
hit you. He tried.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
The receiver gave a little a little bit of an
effort to fake you out, man, that was intentional. I'm
glad you're okay, glad.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
Yeah, they tried it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
They tried.

Speaker 6 (01:47:07):
That was a loving touch, right that. I'm just giving
the love out to the docs. But no, Yeah, we're
having fun out here. It's beautiful. We're expanding our business
obviously out here to Utah and our philosophy. And you know,
I'm gonna be a guest speaker out here, so I'm
coming in sun Dance in November. So they asked me
to come out to see what the conference was about,

(01:47:28):
which I appreciate the love from the sports medicine guys
out here. And uh, it doesn't suck. It doesn't suck
to be here right now. It's beautiful place.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Yeah, well, congratulations on expanding that business out there. They're
lucky to have you. Uh, safe travels back home when
you do come home. Thanks for as always joining us
here on the Brilliant Edwards Show on a Thursday afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Body, if you need an ambassador, you know what I'm saying,
just let me know because I can't travel.

Speaker 7 (01:47:52):
I do travel, Oh, absolutely, they take you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Hey, Before before we get to the mail bag, I
wanted to ask you this about about wide receiver Milik
Neighbors had a little bit of an issue, it seemed
like with Brian Dable shocking. We've seen some blow ups
on the sidelines with coaches and players and with players
and players. How quickly I think people make a lot
of that because everybody there's so many cameras covering games

(01:48:17):
today and so many people with you know, their cameras
on their phones and recording things. I've always said, guys
get over that pretty quick. Players get over that pretty quick.
What do you think the shelf life of something like
that might be.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
It's a different day and age now where head coaches
and players are closer in age than when I play,
So like you're almost like when Jared Goff was with
Sean McVay or even Ben Johnson. There are on the
same age. You know, they're literally the same age. They're
watching the same things. Their wife are connected. So you
can have those arguments, and it sucks that you know,
you're so privy to the video and you see all

(01:48:54):
the angles and you can read the words and then
they can type up the transcripts. It sucks, but guys
are tapped in as are cool now that stuff happens
and you forget about it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
But guys like Brian Dable, he's a richard. He's a richard,
and he is a guy. You saw what he did to.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
Daniel Jones in the instance on that sideline a Monday
night game where he be rated him after he missed
the two point conversion or missed the touchdown, slammed the
surface and all those type of things. Guys don't like
Brian Dabo. He was my offensive coordinator when I was
in Cleveland. Like this is the year that I got traded,
Thank God, and I'm talking about God, thank God for
getting me out of there. But he's a guy that
people don't like. He's a guy that russ people the

(01:49:31):
wrong way. He's a guy that wants to be you know,
this is my offense, this is my success. Like he's
a guy that will read you a certain way. He
came up under Belichick and he's another one of those
guys that believe I'm Bill Belichick, I'm the ghost of
Bill Belichick, in which he's not so like elite neighbors
and Brian Dabele. That's a situation you want to monitor.
You want to monitor that one closely because he's already

(01:49:53):
on the hot seat this year, that he's already on
the high.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
It's interesting because a couple of years ago he was
Coach of the Year.

Speaker 7 (01:49:59):
I did get rid of coach years.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
You're right, I was always I've always wondered, how do
how do front office personnel not understand talk to ex
coaches act, talk to X players and recognize if he
say your word, Richard, how that's going to play in
the locker room. Don't get that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Well, that's because two things. One he coached under Bill Belichick,
and so they just give him that too. That tree sucks, Yeah, okay,
but the people in the front office suck. So if
you want to have that conversation, they don't know what
they're doing. A lot of time it's nepotism, which I'm
not always against, but a lot of times it's nepotism.

Speaker 5 (01:50:33):
A lot of times.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
It's where you are a lot of times just the
good old boys circuit, and you hire these individuals that
don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:50:38):
They don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:50:40):
And we know for a fact that shann Shane or
Shane however you pronounce it, Joe Shane doesn't know what
he's doing. You've seen it in person on Hard Knocks
live and in color. He doesn't know what he's doing.
So they don't know the guys to hire. They don't
know the guys that are not going to work, the
guys that can't keep a locker room. You hire guys
that has a resume. His resume is a great one.
He coached under Belichick. He went to the Buffalo Bills,

(01:51:01):
and Josh Allen figured it out when when Brian Dables
was offensive coordinator. You have to give him that credit.
And he did win that playoff game. It's against the Vikings,
and the Vikings never win the playoff, but yet still
he got a playoff win. But he's already on hot ice.
He was excuse me, thin ice, and he was on
the hot seat. Okay, before we get to the mail bag,
here's a game tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Yeah, I had teased a couple of things. There's so
much you want to get to. Jared Allen, who is
now a Hall of Famer, and rightfully so, said recently
about one of his ex teams, because he was a
Viking and a chief in opposite order, he said, people
don't fear them any longer, do you believe that. Do
you think teams did fear Kansas City? Do you think
no longer? Do they fear them? And what were the

(01:51:43):
teams or players you feared?

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
So the first question is no, they don't fear him anymore.
You saw what happen in the super Bowl. They got destroyed.
I don't care how good a team is.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
I've never seen the super Bowl team on the opposite
side look like that, including the Denver Broncos, including the Giants,
like they just looked the bysmo considering who they were,
considering what they had done, you can tell they were
a little they're a little beat up. You know, they've
been rocking and rolling for eight years. But yeah, I
don't think teams for him anymore. They're not the same team.
They don't have the same players, they don't have that

(01:52:16):
same fear. Fifteen is still to be feared. Like what
he did last week was magic, Like he was typical
Patrick Holmes magic. By the way, he's on my fantasy bench.
If you need a quarterback, you can have him. I
need a receiver, I need a running back. We'll figure
that out. He's still feared, but they don't have the
guys on defense. They don't have Frank Clark and Tyrone
Matthew and the dB room that they had two years

(01:52:40):
when we're trying to figure out do we want to
get one of their DB's or do it?

Speaker 5 (01:52:42):
They don't have that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
They don't have that defensive line, they don't have Joe
Toney and the offensive line that they had where Patrick
could do those things and have that success. So they're
now a what's the word I'm looking for? They're a
newer version of themselves, Michelle. Right now, they don't have
any wide receivers, like who's your wide receiver? For the
Kansas City Chiefs because Xavier Worthy's Rossie Rice is on

(01:53:04):
the suspension. The running backfield, I think it finally is
caught up to him. Travis Kelsey's older, it's finally caught.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Up to him.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
Isaac Pacheco's not a number one back. He as much
as I love him, because he runs hard. He will
give you everything he has and whenever you give him
the ball, he tries to get whatever he can he
can catch and run.

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
He's not a number one back. They have been running
him out here.

Speaker 7 (01:53:22):
It's a number one back for a reason.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
So you have that going on in your backfield, you
don't have any wide receivers, and the defense doesn't look
like it was when people were Actually the defense was
better than the offense. The past two seasons, they don't
have that anymore right now. Like I would love to
play the Chiefs if I was a team, sign me
up for that matchup.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Well, they're going to host the Eagles this weekend, which
will be probably the.

Speaker 5 (01:53:45):
Marsh another must win game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Yeah, that's that's going to be a marquee matchup, and
I don't I'm not saying it's a must win, but
that's interesting considering Kansas City's only one. Philadelphia is as
good as they are and we've seen it, and if
Kansas City loses, they could be owing too, obviously, and
then the percentages really go down on your chances to
make the playoffs based on past performances from nineteen ninety

(01:54:08):
only twelve and change twelve percent and change make the
playoffs for teams that started owing too. The teams that
play tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:54:15):
Who do you think is gonna win? And who do
you want to win?

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
For Green Bay and Washington? Correct, Well, I think green
Bay's going to win because I was impressed with them,
even though I do like Washington. It'll be very interesting
if green Bay wins, how Lion depending on how they win,
how Lions fans will react, because if they beat up

(01:54:41):
Washington like they beat up Detroit, and I mean in
the trenches more than anything else, then I think Lions
fans might be a little bit more understanding of why
Detroit may have stumbled. If they don't and it's close,
then Detroit's gonna say, look at how far away we
are from two teams that are going to contend for
a NFC title.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
What's gonna happen is green Bay's gonna win thirty one
to twenty. And what I want to happen is green
Bay to win forty five to twenty because I want
Lions fans to realize how good this green Bay team is,
because right now, Lions fans aren't giving green Bay credit.
What they're doing is saying, well, you know, the offensive
line is gonna take some time, and it was game
one and you gotta get into your footing and you're

(01:55:22):
gonna make a bunch of excuses and not give that
green Bay team that credit. That green Bay team is
only gonna get better, like they're only gonna get better
especially on defense. For what you say about Michael Parsons,
he is the one that can elevate your defense. Now
he had to be the whole guy doing everything in Dallas.
He ain't gotta do that in green Bay. Kway Walker
is a monster. Rashan Gary is a monster.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
They got some players.

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
They don't even have their whole defensive line. They're welcoming
back to player this week and a player in the
following week. I want that team to look like I
know they are. That team is damn good. We knew
they were gonna be good coming to the season, and
then they added another player that's forced multiplier. I want
them to look like that so people can holy bleep,
this is going.

Speaker 5 (01:56:02):
To get interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
In fairness to my partner here, Brillan Edwards, he picked
Green Bay to win the division and he said it
before the preseason. He told me he's like, I think
green Bay's the best team in the division. I didn't
believe him. And that was before they acquired Micah Parsons.
You know, with the Packers, I think they're really good.
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:56:21):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
I think they're really good. I think they are Detroit's
biggest challenger. It'll be interesting to see what the pushback
may be depending on how they play tonight, and then
the panic button may change, Like everybody who did that
schedule win loss, win loss on green Bay plays out
like they have been, then everybody's going to change that

(01:56:44):
pick at home against green Bay to an L considering
how good they've been. I'm not a big kay Walker guy.
I mean, I think he makes some stupid plays. He's
talented as all get out. I think Detroit's defense is
just as talented. Quite honestly, I really do.

Speaker 5 (01:56:56):
He'll get better because he's still operating a little bit
like he did in Dallas. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
There's a lot of any United seven dollars. But yeah,
we shall see. It's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
It's gonna be a fun game tonight. Both on a
short week and that's why I think Detroit should be
beating Chicago. So they're on a short work weekend. Let's
get to the mail bag before we get out of
here on a Thursday afternoon.

Speaker 7 (01:57:16):
Yeah, definitely, And uh, you guys, I like this. This
was spirited, it was passionate, my energy.

Speaker 10 (01:57:23):
People brought it to that man, including the Chad family.

Speaker 7 (01:57:27):
As well.

Speaker 10 (01:57:28):
I see we hear in mail bag from Michael Werry.
He says, will this be a close game Sunday? In
terms of the Bears and the Lions.

Speaker 4 (01:57:36):
Things always close game like, even when they both suck
like it's just one of those games is close. I mean,
the Bears haven't been good the last couple of years,
and they legit for this.

Speaker 5 (01:57:45):
Is the funny thing.

Speaker 4 (01:57:45):
For what we talk about Eberflutes and the embarrassment that
Eberflues was in that game. It was here in Detroit
not knowing what to do. They had a chance to
win that game. They had a chance to win that game.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
They should have. They shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
It's no way they should have lost that game. You
absolutely care. That's typically what the Bears.

Speaker 5 (01:58:02):
In the Allions, just like the Vikings and the Allions,
just like the Packers in the Lions. It's just one
of those divisions where games usually aren't close.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Yeah, you're right, especially in division. If you look at
Week one and you want to look at close games,
Cowboys and Eagles were close, Chargers and Chiefs were close,
Bucks and Falcons were close. The Raiders and Patriots there
was a one score game forty nine forty nine Ers, Seahawks,
Cardinals and Saints was a one score game. This is

(01:58:31):
the beauty of football. The Steelers Jets game was close.
There were just a handful of blowouts, not even a
handful the blowouts. And I know it's a little deceiving.
With Detroit and Green Bay the blowouts were and you
know the Bills had to come back, but it was
obviously it was a close game, forty one to forty.
There's really only two blowouts, folks. Those blowouts would be
Washington over the Giants and the Colts over the Dolphins.

(01:58:54):
Everything else is within one score, so I would expect
it to be a close game like most games.

Speaker 5 (01:59:00):
Lions wasn't a blowout, well physically they were.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
Kelvin Sheppard brought up an interesting point today. He said, look,
you take away their three big plays of six the
total sixty five yards. You can't do that. It's funny
we all say that, but you can't do it. They're
held to one hundred and twenty nine yards. But what
do you mean?

Speaker 5 (01:59:17):
This is what I don't like about that comment. What
do you mean if you took away that play?

Speaker 4 (01:59:20):
Because on the deep ball everything lined up perfect, The
pass pro was set up nicely. They blocked the defensive rush,
which was none. Jordan Love dropped back and threw a
pass wasn't wasn't a dime, but threw a good enough
pass to get caught.

Speaker 5 (01:59:33):
Why do you want to take that play back?

Speaker 4 (01:59:34):
Yeah, they drew the play up just like they wanted to,
and they hit it and executed it just like they wanted.

Speaker 5 (01:59:40):
You can't take that play back.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Yeah, I agree with you. It's it's silly that everybody
says that. I think you know, to your point, Detrade
scores were what fifty five seconds left it to slock catch. Yeah,
it probably wasn't blowout. Yeah, from a score wise, physical wise,
they were definitely the more dominant team.

Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
It felt like the Buffalo and Detroit game last year.
It's like this says one thing, but we know.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
What it was well said, So we'll say three games.
But I still think it'll be relatively close this week again, Chicago,
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