Detroit Tigers OUT | LIONS FALL APART IN KC| The Braylon Edwards Show w/ Shep | October 13th, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The timing is right, is what they said.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah, and I think that the timing should be right
this offseason. I didn't really feel that it was this season.
I felt like they would be overpain to bring stars
in here because I didn't feel like free agents really
believed in this Tigers franchise as a whole.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yet.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah, it was a great end to last season, the
run they made first Round win. But this season, I
felt like a lot more people are starting to believe
in the Tigers, and I do believe that this is
the offseason where you see them spend money. So him
answering questions about the trade deadline, I don't care. I
don't want to hear anything for a couple of months
until he starts talking about whether they're opening up the

(00:40):
coffers and they're bringing us the help that this team deserves,
both pitching as well as hitting.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, so there's a couple of misnomers. The whole spending
thing is such low hanging fruit. It drives me nuts.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh, I know that one drives you much. I don't
get involved in that one. But as time.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Doesn't make any sense. Okay, they have spent money, They've
spent it unwisely.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm one with you on that.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Okay, then stop parroting what the common fan says. They've
got to spend a lot of people spent the money.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
But they've made the promise to spend money, and I
know that they have the wherewithal, they have the financial
capability to spend the money. I think it's smart the
fact that they didn't put out a bunch of money
for a free agency that might not have fit, that
they didn't really truly desire.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Can we can we get specific like who?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean, realistically, Bregman was the only guy that they
truly wanted to spend big money on. There were other
targets out there and they didn't spend the money on that.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
And I thought, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Always a lot of targets hands and we don't know
who those targets were because they didn't say it, so
just because we got.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
But they committed to one guy and that was Bregman.
It didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
I think people wanted Pete Alonzo and he signed a
two year deal with an option out, so that was
a guy you could have spent money on. I'm looking
for specific guys who you thought they should have targeted
and I'm I also disagree that players look at and
say they're not ready to win.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
No, I think I don't think it's that it's not
whether they're ready to win, whether it's whether it's a
good franchise or not. And the Tigers have been a
bad franchise for fifteen years. So I think that you
have to you have to reinstill that confidence in the
national perception of the Tigers, whether it's you know, people
calling the game in Seattle, or whether it's a perspective

(02:34):
free agent to come here. I look at what the
fans have clamored for with the Lions, go out and
sign this guy, go and trade for that guy, and
they don't.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
They're very those guys just retired, by the way.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
But they're very collected in how they approach their guys
that they've developed and extending them, not going out and
signing guys.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
That they're unfamiliar with. For three, four or five years.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Outside of Jared Goff, we haven't seen them give anybody
that they didn't draft a three year deal or longer.
DJ Reid and that's the first one this last season.
This is that's the very first one. So when I
look at the Tigers. Okay, yeah, Peede Alnzo. Maybe they
didn't feel like he was fitting the culture that they're
trying to.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
End have established sh.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Or maybe they didn't do what you originally said and
want to spend money because they told Cold Keith you
were going to play first BA.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well, and that's the thing is.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
And again two years ago, I felt like I had
these guys that were so frustrated that Tigers are the Lions,
didn't go out and fill their holes, fill their holes. Well,
they had so many holes in twenty one and twenty
two that you didn't know what holes you had filled
already and what you still needed to fill. Then as
twenty three came twenty four and now this year, those
holes get fewer and far between. Tigers had a ton

(03:43):
of holes, but they also had a ton of youths.
They ready to figure out whether those guys like Tor,
like Cold Keith, whether they could stand up.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Is Parker Medo's for real or not. I think we
have a.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Lot of answers for a lot of this youth movement,
and we know, hey, a lot of these guys are
for a players. A lot of these guys are bench complimentary,
utility guys.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Who's the four A player.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean Zach McKinstry. I don't want to call a
four A player, but he's a utility guy.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
He shouldn't be. He's not a starter on a World
Series team, right, He's Sweeney another guy that should be
buried as a utility role. Maybe probably should be so.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
But you didn't say those one guy's thirty. That's Zach McKinstry.
He's always been a platoon guy. He's a platoon guy
here too. Okay, so he's really.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Not not in the last two months, well not in the.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Last two months because of injuries, yep, I mean Cole
Keith's back. I mean that doesn't help, right, Matt Verling
being out as long as he has, that didn't help.
Certain guys like Jace Young not coming up and performing,
that didn't help. I don't That's a tough example with
Zach McKinstry. He doesn't make a lot of money anyway,
so I'm not sure about that. Tray Sweeney, you know,
when he came from LA Medals.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Is a perfect example.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Probably really hope could be the man in center field
that could get his back going, because obviously speed and
defense is the guy's top notch, but you know not
what you have in Parker metalw I don't think you do.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I think that's I think that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
But don't you think he's gonna let you down at
the plate. This is the guy you keep on your bench.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
You put him in for defensive purposes, you pinch run
him at times, and on occasion of the matchup suits you.
You put him in there. But a year ago and
then starting this season, everybody thought that Parker Metals was
a big piece. We know now we need help at center.
And I think that there's a few other guys in
this offense as well as pitching that they know. Now, hey,
this isn't the guy that we can hang our hat on.

(05:25):
We need to find somebody. And we know now where
our finances are because you get some of this money
back for Alex Cobb.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
What's the hobby situation? That is he done?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Now?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Off the books?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
No one more year year? Okay?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah. The Parker Medals, I think is a really good example.
I think I don't know. I don't know what you have,
and I don't think anybody does. I mean, I know
what your impression is. Car Parker Meadows has been injured
for two years in a row for the most part,
and I don't know. He hasn't played more than eighty

(05:58):
two games, all right. He played fifty eight games this year.
He played eighty two last year. Last year, people really
liked him because he drove in some runs, hit a
few home runs nine He's never been a hot home
run hitter, stole some bags, played really good center field.
I don't think we know what we have in Parker Medals.
We think we do, and there's a lot of people

(06:20):
who will say, oh, he's a four A player, which
is a common phrase. I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
But don't you think that we need to upgrade Parker Medals?
And even cold Keith, as young as he is, I'd
rather have somebody starting over him and let him earn
his way into the lineup, whether it's through injury or production.
But when you look at this team, in order to
take the step to be in a World Series, guys
like Colt Keith, you either have to make the decision, Hey,

(06:47):
this isn't the.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Guy that takes us there.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
We love him and we want to keep him, and
he's not going to be starting, but he's with us,
and we go out and replace him. I think that
there's two or three guys that stand out that a
year ago we thought these were found national pieces, and
I think after this season, in last season, we have
a much clear.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I don't know how you come to that conclusion.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
On Cold ke something better than Cold Keith.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Yet,
he's got five hundred and thirty at bats at the
major league level, and you've already decided.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
In two short seasons.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I didn't say that. I never said that, But you've
you've got literally two guys who you think are now
situational guys pinch run. You don't keep a guy on
a twenty six man roster just to pinch run. You
did what you used to when you used to expand
the rosters in September for playoffs, but you don't do
that in a regular season. You need guys who can play.

(07:39):
You know, I would say out of the week, if
you're playing seven games, those guys bet are going to
play three or four games for you. Okay, Cold Keith.
How people come to a conclusion for a guy who
has five hundred I'm sorry, it's nine hundred and thirty
at bats is beyond me. I'm not saying I'm pleased
with him. I think I think the guy can hit.
I think he's proved. We all here, he's proven every level.

(08:01):
He had two sixty as a rookie. He had about
two sixty this year. Yeah, okay, and he had some
injuries with his back at the end. I don't not
a huge believer that he's an everyday second baseman. I
think they screwed him up by trying to move him
to first base. But I don't think we know what
Cole Keith is yet. And I think that's part of
the Tigers fans angst right now is we are guessing

(08:24):
at every single guy. Riley Green, two year All Star,
strikes out too much. It's a lot of homers and RBIs,
but strikes out too much. We see the flaws, and
I understand why, because we all do. We see the
flaws in every single player on our team. And you'd
like to wipe it clean and keep Trek Skubel and
everybody else. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, I'm looking at your baseball savant user.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I assume you know you look at his grafts from
last year to this year, and he's definitely improved.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
And this is a guy offensively, yeah, he's not good defense, no.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
And this is a guy to me that yeah, I
don't mind if he's starting for us, but he better.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Be Tod's the bottom of that lineup.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
He'd better be hitting seven, eight, nine, And as it's been,
we've seen him hitting anywhere from one to five on
this team. And to me, those are the types of
guys that if you sit and you hope and you
wait for them to come around, you're probably gonna have
a second round exit.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Again. Now, if that guy's buried.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
At the bottom of your order or one of your
first pieces off the bench, and you've replaced him with
a top notch guy, you can count on maybe a
two eighty two ninety hitter, because man, we would have
liked to have had one of those.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
For me.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
That's how they have to get better. They have to
do that in pitching and they have to do that
in batting. Tork's not going anywhere. But if Tork is
hitting fourth for us, I don't see us winning a
souper or a World Series.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Again, it's I don't know. I need probably more explanation
for him. Man, Why you don't see that when a
guy can bring in thirty one with a home run
and driving one hundred runs. But the strikeouts are probably
a concern. There's strikeouts for pete, a lonzo or a
concerned strike just a lot to know.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I'm an OBP guy, man, I've got to see guy
on base, and I think I get it, but have not.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
The four guy doesn't necessarily do that. I want that.
I want table setters, for sure. So your Cole Keith
example is a really good one. He hit first more
than any other place in the lineup. He hit sixth,
second most in the lineup for when he was in
the lineup, so he hit a lot at the bottom.
He wasn't always hitting first, second, or third, okay, But

(10:23):
he is a guy who needs to improve is on base.
This team in general, I don't disagree with you at all.
This team in general needs to improve. But my bigger
issue and kool Aid's got it for us, and we're
gonna bring this up right now. Scott Harris what he
said today to the media about the trade deadline. Now,
this is a beaten down dog. This is a beaten horse, okay,

(10:45):
no doubt, and it's time to move on from it.
But people wanted answers then they didn't get them. They
want answers now to either validate what they thought or
prove me wrong type of situation, and I'm not sure
they got it. So that's something that fans look. You
guys do a better job than I do in this

(11:07):
and that you guys speak from the heart of the fans,
where I try to be much more logical. I try
to look at it from a team standpoint and a
player and a manager and a coach standpoint, where you
guys are all about the fans and the knee jerk reaction.
So for me, I'm trying to figure this out. When
you hear this SoundBite from Scott Herris, go ahead and
play kool aid. Listen to this.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Do I regret not pulling the trigger on the deals
that we had access to at the deadline. I don't,
and I'll tell you why. I think I'm even more
confident now than I was then that the deals that
we had access to that we passed on would have
frustrated our fans more than not doing the deals. It's

(11:49):
really tough in my job right now because I can't
share the exact deal deals for obvious reasons. But I
can share some details that hopefully are are pretty illuminating.
I would tell you that the players that were most
closely connected to us via the media would have cost
either a player on our postseason roster plus additional pieces,

(12:11):
or one of our top prospects plus additional pieces.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
In some cases.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
With those deals that were most closely connected to us,
those players that were most closely connected to us, those players,
some of them didn't perform at all down the stretch,
would have been a free agent in two months and
would have cost a player on our postseason roster that
actually performed better than the player we acquired and was

(12:38):
controllable in the future. So think about that for a second.
We could have acquired a player who was going to
be a pending free agent and the day of the deadline,
we probably would have gotten an a on the trade
grades on the day of the deadline and probably would
have gotten plenty of praise in the coverage, only to
see that player not perform well down the stretch and
the player we traded performed better than that player this

(13:01):
year and be controllable in the future.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
I don't regret those deals at all.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, a man with his convictions. Who are the names?
Let's let's speculate. Let's speculate all four of us, Haley
kool Aid answering yours truly, let's speculate. Who do you
think are the names closely associated with the Tigers at
the trade deadline that would have given them an a

(13:26):
and did not perform as well as the player they acquired?
His words, they acquired?

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Who are they?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Ahino Suarez? First and formal?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Who did they acquire instead of.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I mean they didn't.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
They didn't get another bat I know.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
That's why A little truck question.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
No, that's why I don't. That's why I had a
hard time figuring it. Was it Suarez?

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah? The only other I mean I remember it's pictures.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
That's what they acquired. Yeah, okay, So who are the
pictures they acquired? Finigangan, Montero, Paddock, Yea, and Morton. Who
were the starting pitchers associated with the Tigers at the
trade deadline?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I don't really remember starters. It was Bednar That would
be the only other name that I would.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Grow in twenty of twenty one saves. So don't tell
me he was better. Don't tell me that Finnegan was better.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
And I like Kyle Finnegan, Bednar was solid in September
October three point seven five.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
He was really good.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, Sorry, that's no looking at the wrong.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Look at his whip. Look at his whip. It's point
zero eight five.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, September point eight eight two August point nine seven
five two seven o e R.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
And it's not even one.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
One point five nine ERA in September Octoberkay. So, so
that's that's the one that did outperform him.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Did not?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Suarez did not.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Suarez had eighteen bombs in August and thirteen homers in September.
You don't like average.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I don't either, Okay, So the bobs he did, but
we did talk about the other stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
The old who's playing third base. I'm not a huge
a Haneo Suarez fan. Let me just get that out there, Okay.
I don't think he's very good defensively, made two really
good plays in the Alds against Detroit. He really did
give him credit. And he's a guy up there who
is He's not quite Peteing Kavilia. He's not Rob Deer, okay,
but he is an all or nothing field type of guy.

(15:29):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
So, he's a homer and he's an RBI guy. He's
not an on bass guy like you want on base guys.
Rarely do you find on bass guys with power by
the way, Okay, Aaron judge the exception. So who's playing
third base down the stretch for the Tigers? Ze mac
Zach McKinstry. Again, we don't like it, but we've got Zach.

(15:52):
McKinstry had three homers and twelve RBIs in August, September, October. Yikes,
So who's he? Who's he referring to?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Cool?

Speaker 7 (16:01):
The only other noise was around the trade deadline, and
it's starting to bubble up if you look in the media,
is bregmant?

Speaker 5 (16:06):
That was the only other name that I could That's
a good point.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
And and I know that they were flirting with him
last all season. Not flirting, they were in the same
room together. They just didn't It just didn't last.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Actually they got down on the knee and asked me
to marry you, but they just said no. They refused
the ring. It wasn't big enough.

Speaker 7 (16:25):
Third time, now his name is coming up, and I
do believe at the trade deadline there was some noise
that came up about him.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
He's the one that just keeps ringing out in my mind.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's a good one. Yeah, But did anybody really think
that Boston who was in the race themselves, but they
were right there on the edge.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I don't think we.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
All called it a pipe dream, just just from our perspective.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
We even though there was like these articles, we know
that stuff is gonna happen every year, but that's the.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Only one did seem a little more actual connection than
just fan want you know. But Aohen and the Bednar,
those are the two ones that I do believe that
they were right on the press and neither.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
One neither one outperform the player who was in the
position for the Tigers. If we're again we're speculating, if
that's the case. If you're looking at Bregman, he had
four homers in August September October, combined eighteen runs driven in.
He betted two sixty in August, he betted two thirty
six two twenty six in September October.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
Coach Leo thinks it's one hundred percent bs what they're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
He does, Okay, Well, I'm just I'm trying to rationalize
here I'm trying there in front of a microphone. They're
being asked the question. He gave a very detailed answer.
We don't know who he's talking about. That's why I
ask you three, who are the players closely associated? I
think we got all the names. The third base is

(17:50):
blowing my mind. The Bednar was he was better than Finnegan,
and I like Finnegan. The starting pitcher. Was there a
starting pitcher associated with Detroit that you can recall? Because
I wanted Merrill Kelly and by the way, would have
been wrong. He went to Texas. He was three and
three with a four E. Nothing special there. It wasn't

(18:10):
Charlie Morton and it wasn't Chris Paddock. But he, I mean,
he was better than both those guys, because that's what
he's saying. He's saying the guy we would have acquired
wasn't as good as the guy we had. Paddock six
starts one and three, six and a half era, Moreton
ten starts two and three, eight r Kelly three and

(18:31):
three with a one point three whip and an ERA
of four and a half for Texas. Nothing to write
home about. Then you have to look at what about
the prospects that you would have given up. So we
don't know the answer to that. If you look at
Detroit's prospect list, you know he wasn't giving up mcgonagal,

(18:52):
he wasn't giving up Clark. He probably wasn't given up
Prisanno or Rainer. How many people would lose sleep at
night besides Scott Harris if somehow Chris Rodriguez was given
up in a trade deadline, go ahead and look for him.
I'll wait, or Max Anderson or Jordan Yost all our
top ten Tigers prospects. That's all I'm asking. I think

(19:16):
it's a fair question when you're asking these types of
questions about if you're not willing to give us answers
then in specifics, and I understand why I don't deserve
to know that, But then you make me speculate a
little bit because we know you're not giving up your
top five right all the teams at the trade deadline,
these are the teams that won the trade deadline. According

(19:38):
to the media, You're ready. Yankees acquired seven players. Matt's
added three leaves in a center fielder, Seattle required Suarez, Naylor,
and Caleb Ferguson and San Diego acquired seven players as well,
including Mason Miller, who throws the hell out of the
ball one hundred and four miles an hour. All Right,

(20:00):
the losers at the trade deadline, you're ready? The Dodgers,
where are they? The Reds who actually made the playoffs? Detroit, Milwaukee,
the Cubs, and Boston. Those are the six teams that
were supposedly losers at the trade deadline, all of which
I might add made the playoffs, and the winners the

(20:23):
Mets didn't make it. Obviously. San Diego went as far
as some of these teams that were considered losers, as
did the Yankees. We don't always know.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
Yeah, and you know what, I'm hearing the more and more, Okay,
then I'm hearing his comments and I'm hearing you guys
talk this out. The more I believe that the assessment
was about what move is going to help us win
a World Series this year? And if that's not going
to help us, we can't mortgage the future. If they
believe that within the next couple of years they have
the dogs in house along with we will spend the
money to surround those dogs, then I can understand that

(20:54):
just little, as frustrating as it is, as much as
I want them to press the pedal. But even with
Brad Holmes, I always say this, Even though he and
I might disagree, sometimes he seems to always be right.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
And so I think, I know you want to do it,
and I do it too, Okay, And I know Anson
does it.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Talk to me.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Football and baseball are completely different. Okay. You can draft
Jamiir Gibbs and have him play behind David Montgomery for
a while. You can draft a guy like Christian Mahogany
and have him play behind Graham Glasgow for a while.
You don't have to rush Brian branch in right away.
You can filter him. In baseball, you have to let

(21:32):
them marinate. Hockey, you have to let them marinate, and
you don't know until perhaps you feel like it's too late.
Look at what we're doing right now. What was Anson's
opening comment? You know we know what Cole Keith is. No,
we don't. We don't know what a lot of these
young guys. And that's our frustration because we want to
know number one and number two. We think we know,

(21:54):
as do I with some of these established guys, and
then when we say Okay, I think this is the
year they're gonna spend. I always ask again the question
where are we spending? Give me the position you want
to spend, and then who you gonna spend it on,
because I don't until we know the players who are
gonna be free agents, and we know pe Alonzo opted out,
I mean, do you want that? You know, thirty one

(22:16):
years old, it'll be thirty two, he's got a five
and a half war he's opted out. How many years
are you gonna give him? You know, there's so many questions.
Instead of us just saying this is what they gotta
do that, we need to have the answers first. I
want you to think about it for a minute. When
people say get rid of Torkosen, Okay, that's your prerogative.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
The free agents in baseball are Pee Alonzo, Josh Naylor,
Ryan O'Hearn, Carlos Santana, who's older than the guitarist for
crying out loud, Josh Bell ty France. Nobody's moving that
needle for you. Nobody's going They're not gonna they can't
sign a free agent first baseman. That makes answer and go, yes,
they've got my guy and that's pretty There's a lot

(22:58):
of positions like that, there really are.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
And just to bring in our chat family interial quick,
Michael Werry sends in a two dollars super Chatty says,
we need at least two arms in a couple of bats.
And I'm seeing other people as well in the chat
saying what they think needs to happen.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Grinme it.

Speaker 7 (23:10):
We need a bat, we need an arm, and we
need a closer. And my question to you all, this
is what is needed because obviously this is within the
framework and the scope of getting the scene that much
closer to a world series. What actually is needed for
this team to get there? And that's what I like
about Sheep two. At the trade deadline. It wasn't just
about go out there and spend the money. He looked

(23:31):
at the situation. He understood what it could be in
regardless of how it turned out. Like the fact that
you bought some of the ingredients. It wasn't a receipt
because it didn't buy it. But I like the fact
that you at least said, you know what, this is
something that they could cook up. So it's cool to
see the chat family putting what they believe is necessary.
Do you guys think two bats, two arms is all
that's needed.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think it's really generic. I think it's really generic. Okay,
So I don't know what the plans are for Terrek Schouobel.
There's no question they need another start, okay, because Jackson
Job's not going to be there next year. Casey mais
you're hoping duplicates who knows what resouls? And with the
injuries jack Flaerty's gonna cost twenty million dollars, but he's
player opted in in all likelihood, right, And then you've

(24:11):
got Trek Skubl and what if you jump off to
a bad start to you trade him. There's so many
unknowns in that regard. You definitely need the starting pitchers.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Troy Melton, you're number two.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I like Troy Melton, I do.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I think he should and that I think I wouldn't
be surprised if his name was included when people said
knock knock, knock Anson, you want who, then Troy Melton's
got to be part of that. And if they said, sorry,
that's Steve take another one, Jordan Ham then they said no,
then I could understand perhaps why they want to be
out my question would be, I mean Frambervaldez is going

(24:42):
to be thirty three, Uh, Dylan Cease is going to
be thirty one.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
And Jackson Job coming back. Shout out to THEO.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
No, Jackson Joe will not be back and not be
back maybe in September. Yeah, yeah, yeah no, That's that's
why I said Jackson Job's probably gonna miss all of
next year. He's got teaching, right, yeah, John right. And
you've got Resoulson who's been injured quite a bit. I
like his stuff, everybody does, but are you gonna get
one hundred and fifty innings out of him? The answer

(25:09):
to that is no, don't, don't bank on it. That's
why you need the starters.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Mazed up in the chat here asking us what our
thoughts are on Cleveland bringing up their big prospect, who
has Chase the latter? Now he's older, he's twenty four,
much more than mcgonaical, but he did provide a spark
for them.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Where are you at? Because we talked about it last
time you and I were on the show.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I thought, and I know that they would have been
starting that clock early, but I think that mcgonical would
have made a difference.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
In that batting order.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Just maybe maybe he comes up in these stinks. But
he's been so hot at every single level. I just
don't know why you don't bring up and especially when
you're looking at a team that is probably going to
be telling us fans, hey, we don't have enough money.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
To resign Errek's Scooble.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Well, if you don't have money to sign Eric Scooble,
then you can bite the bullet and start mcgonacal a
little Earth League, because that would have probably been your
best average hitter.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Where would you well in the line, I got no,
I get that, but and I's.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Never he's never seen Logan Gilbert.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I'm one of the first guys to tell you that
a guy coming up from the miners is going to
take a while to impact. I think that kid could
have came up and been just young and dumb enough
to not know.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Haven't we've seen him? Guys? Yeah, answer This would be
the great question for the Tigers. If he's too young,
why isn't Troy Melton?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Well, I mean you look at Likes and the Rosary
that that did these things in their first years, where
they come up and they impact and you know, they
might have a sophomore slump.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
With both of those guys.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Gun is a great example.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, I would have loved to have seen him.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Where would you have played him?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I mean center right.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I don't know how he is second base? Short stop?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, I thought that they let him play a little
outfield too is but I'm thinking that Clark.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm sorry, Max Sark.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Honestly, if you can put him at short and you
can put Hobby at center field, I'm great with that,
to the point where you don't have to have medals
out there because you're worried about our defense, you know, metals.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
If you use him as a situational guy.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Hobby was good and good defensively and centered. No doubt
about McGonagall doesn't from all the reports that he doesn't
get to the balls that hoveer Baiyo has done.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, no, okay, but nobody had short to you know
what I'm saying, except for Hobby.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, yeah, in your system, Yeah, I would agree with that.
So I look, I agree with you. I think you
you bring up the best players. I don't think you. Wait,
I think there's been.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Especially when you're so void of bats.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well, we see it in sports all the time.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Now, I mean that seven bats, they traded for seven arms.
They didn't need to bring up a young arm from
the miners.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Well, they don't need to bring up they don't have one.
I mean that there's the difference. But but yes, they
they traded for arms, but they needed arms. They needed
and I'll again use this very specifically, they needed a
power right handed bat to complement the lineup. Now, I
know how you feel, and I don't disagree with you,
but you do have to have power in your lineup,

(28:14):
sprinkled in with guys who get on these Okay, because
Luis a rise is as good as it gets getting
on base free agent. Yeah, well guess what hit? Where
did his team go? His team didn't go anywhere?

Speaker 3 (28:24):
All right, they never really do that.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
But they got guys who get on base. Dude, they do, Okay,
they do. I mean they got guys who get get
after it and get on base. It's a good discussion.
It's something that I think a lot of people will
have to look at. You know, is it Dustin May?
Who is it? In the off season? I think you
specifically need a couple of starting arms to go to
spring training with you I'd love to see them resign

(28:48):
a guy like Kyle Finnegan. I think it would work.
You still could bring up middle relievers like Dylan Smith,
who was drafted out of Alabama and was a starter,
but probably doesn't have starter stuff at the major league level.
He did in college, but he doesn't at the major
league level. And then I would be shocked if mcgonagal
and Clark don't start in Double A, but rise quickly

(29:11):
and come and help this team at some point.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
You know it, shout out Randall Small who just literally
typed that to Max, Clark and McGonagall they will get
a shot to make this team in spring training. And uh,
you know what, there's a lot of people who believe
that everything hinges though on Schooble, Grommet, and Blimpy.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
I see you guys in the chat.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
They're saying, look, no Schooble, then there's no playoffs and
back to under five hundred and Blippy was like exactly.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
In all caps to Grommet. So it's a lot of
people think that.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
It hinges on if you got your ace dog in
And I get it, because the last few years it
was if Schoobol was in the mound.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
We knew the Tigers are gonna win. That narrative took
a little bit of a hit, and.

Speaker 7 (29:45):
Not because of what schoobl isn't, but because I believe
this team needs to do a whole lot more as
it relates to his starting pitching.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
If you're him, If you're him, yeah, and you're going
into this offseason, how closely are you monitoring what your
team is doing? Because you know, Look, you can talk
about the fort he wants forty million a year or
whatever Scott Boris is gonna ask for and get, and
he is, and that's fine. I would be asking for
it to Okay, shoot for the moon. You deserve it,
Go get as much as you flip and can, right,

(30:14):
But there's got to be a point where you're like, hmm,
am I gonna win? Am I gonna win on a
regular basis? Because I gave you just about everything I had.
I think he had more. And we can get into
that when we come back. Okay, But do I like
the direction of where this is going? Do I want

(30:35):
to go through young guys coming through again and learning
on the job, and they will. Clark and mcgonaga and Rainer,
those guys are gonna learn on the job. You want
him up here, that's fine, but it's gonna take some time. No,
they don't. Mike Trout didn't come up and tear up
the league. Barry Bonds didn't come up and tear up
the league. Those guys don't do it. These guys ain't
doing it. I hate to tell you. So if that's

(30:55):
the case, are you gonna have the patients to go?
I can wait a few years to be hard, hard,
to do really hard. It's not hard. If you need
some support and you need some strength behind you in
the courtroom. Ben Johnson is the guy to help you.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Hey man, you're going up against corporations, you're going up
against the government, You're going up against insurance companies. They're
gonna do whatever it takes to minimize their liability and
withhold your compensation. So you need a fighter in your corner.
Make Ben Johnson your.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
First you know, I think I will.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
And get that fighter in your corner.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Contact Ben Johnson today at Ben fights dot com.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
We're seeing a lot of stuff happen. Cooley, It's got
some big breaking news from the NFL when we come back,
So stay right there, but listen. Breaking news for Art
and Jakes and the watch party. This guy right here
to my right had a great time on the postgame
party not too long ago at Arts Jakes after the
Lions played the Bengals. Now Woodward Sports College Football Show

(31:59):
is gonna lot be live at Art and Jake's in Lansing.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Remember they got six locations throughout the state. In Lansing
October twenty fifth, it is the epic Michigan Michigan State Battle.
Right hang out with us. Enjoy wall to wall coverage
over eighty TVs, twenty two different fears on tap for you.
A menu stacked with your favorite stuff. No better place

(32:23):
to watch Michigan Michigan State in Lancing at Art and
Jake's and the watch party that includes Woodward Sports. Download
their app, Art and Jake's App and join AJ's fan
club to make every day a winning day.

Speaker 8 (32:38):
Planet Fitness now has even more best in class strength equipment.
Join today for one dollar down and save.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
We're stepping it up.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
We're not slowing down, finding new faith, new focus, Love
that little equipment snow.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
So han Join the club today.

Speaker 8 (32:56):
Save when you join for just one dollar down fifteen
dollars a month planet fitness. We're all strong on this planet.

Speaker 9 (33:10):
Why do we fight. We fight to protect the innocent,
to hold the powerful accountable, to bring the oppressors to justice.
Why do we fight? We fight to secure and preserve
our civil liberties, to get each and every one of
our clients the justice they deserve, and to make the

(33:31):
lives of real people just like you whole again. Then
Fights dot Com.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
The hunting season is almost to your detroits and your
Lions are on the prow. Make sure you're locked into
Woodward Sports for all the Dan Campbell reactions, Jared Goff touchdowns,
Common Row first downs, any pancakes, Kirmy Picks gives big plays,
Jack Fox's leg Yesday. Locked in on all your Lions

(34:03):
coverage right here on Detroit's number one sports networks. Every Sunday,
There's only one place to get all your kneecap and
hard hitting Detroit Lions coverage. Start your Sunday with the
Lions Weekly Report with Brother and Terry Foster, then the
Lions Pree Game Show with Neil Rule and Sean Belizian

(34:25):
at kickoff. Keep it locked in for all the emotions
of the game with a live watch party with the heavyweights,
recap the game with the Lion's postgame show with Answer
game Days, there's no other place to be in the
Woodward Sports Live All game Day. Go Lions at woodwardsports
dot com and click on shop get the latest in

(34:48):
Detroit sports apparel an exclusive Woodward Sports gear. Woodwardsports dot
com can get the whole team outfitted. The Pistons, Red
Wings and Tigers. Who got something for you too? Shop
online at Woodward sports dot com.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
One listen. Fitness is for everyone, So Planet Fitness is
for everyone. Over twenty seven hundred clubs nationwide.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
With fift twenty seven hundred that's right in Metro Detroit.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Access to that Black Card spa where you can recover
with hydro massage and other innovative amenities, and you can
bring a guest for free anytime. That's just twenty four
ninety nine a month. We are all strong on this planet.
Planet Fitness exciting new partnership that they have with the Lions.
You want to win two tickets to every Lions regular

(35:33):
season home game?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, visit any of their.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Fifty plus locations in Metro Detroit to enter. Check them
out at Planet Fitness dot com.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Fuddies of mine and I played ninety holes of gold
for two and a half.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Who okay in Florida.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Them in Florida though, three ten.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, we played am I thirty six on Friday, thirty
six on Saturday, I played eighteen Sunday. Then I had
to come home. They played thirty six and they played
thirty six more today. So that's a lot of golf
while they're still down their planet. They're still down their plank.
They leave probably even about four hours or so while
we were out there playing. It gets warm, you know.
And I gotta tell you, I took some sun Cruiser

(36:14):
vodka iced teas with me and I felt great. I
really did. I don't know if it helped my scoring,
because my scoring was pretty good for me, but it was.
I felt really good. I felt still loose enough, right,
It's only one hundred calories. It's the no bubbles, it's
it's yeah. It's a clean, crisp sip. It tastes like

(36:36):
vodka iced team mix. It's a good looking can. We
bought a ton of them at the publics down there,
put them in the fridge, then we put them in
our bags and hit the golf courses for three days.
It was fantastic, and sun Cruiser helped me. It was
really good stuff. It's really refreshing, it doesn't fill you up,
and it's four and a half percent alcohol. Drink responsibly

(36:57):
and hit them straight. He bet breaking news from the
National Football League. I would have lost this bet before
the National Football League began its twenty twenty five campaign.
Who did you think would be the first NFL coach fired?
Kool aid? Who would you thought?

Speaker 5 (37:14):
I would have thought Liam Cohen for whatever.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Reason, they just hired him in Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
I thought that this guy was going to be out
of it.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Hayley, who did you think?

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Man?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
What a good question.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (37:26):
About first one, but still. Sharon Moore is.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Well, I'm talking about pro. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry
the NFL fire Sharon.

Speaker 10 (37:35):
College shout out professional.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, you think about it? Anson, Dang, that's a.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Hard We'll just say Ben Johnson. Honestly, probably Brian Dables.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Mine was Mike McDaniel. Yeah, I thought Mike mc the
first guy given a pink slid.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, especially after the first few weeks of the season.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Definitely, for no other reason. The pantsy wears the you gotta.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Break a guy down on his pants though.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
He looks like an absolute jackass if you've seen the
side shots of him at the podium. I mean, come on, dude.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
He sounds like Anton talking about Harball.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
No, it's it's unbelievable. Ye, all right, kool ake, give
us the breaking news because I would have been wrong.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Who was it?

Speaker 5 (38:17):
All right? The breaking news. The Tennessee Titans have fired
Mike Rape. Oh no, no, no, no. That was a year ago.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Two years ago, two years ago. They have fired.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
They have fired head coach Brian Callahan after he started
one and five on the.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Season four and nineteen in two years. They drafted Cam Wored.
That's the frustrating thing about fire. Kim Wore's actually had
some some splashes of some pretty good stuff. You used
the number one overall pick on a quarterback, I would
guess Brian Callahan was part of that decision making process.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, he also came in in his first year with
litt Levis, a guy he didn't draft.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Correct, will Levis was already there, Mayo, man, Okay, so
this is what what have you done for me lately?

Speaker 11 (38:59):
Right?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Think they're just mad he didn't draft Jackson Dart. Number
one is that he looks like the better quarterback at
this point.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Jackson Dart looks a lot better than cam Ward.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Oh, I think Jackson Dart is is just a guy
right now.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I've been saying it since March. Is the best quarterback
in the class. Guy can make all the throws.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
He's quick, he's.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Kim Woreon can make all the throws too, There's no
doubt about.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
But he can't read a defense the way that Jackson Dart.
He can't break things down in audible at the line
the way that Jackson Dart can. He's mobile, certainly. I
just don't think that he has the presence or the
moxie that that you've seen from Jackson Dart in his
short tenure. I think that a lot of teams are
gonna really passing on that kid. Okay, I mean is
that enough to get you fired after a season and

(39:45):
a half? I guess it is, and not for long?

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I don't know, man, I mean, I don't think cam
Ward has a lot of talent around him. He's thrown
for eleven hundred yards, He's thrown three touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
It's man, Jacks.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Jackson Dart I think has a lot to prove how
many stars does he have?

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Three?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
No, I believe this. This last one was just his
first start. He came in the other game.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Hasn't thrown for two hundred yards in any of those games.
Yet he's run a little bit. Good for him. We
know he can dance in the end zone. We know
he's got a diamond necklace because he wears it outside solid.
He's really good at high fives. He's good at putting
eye black on one side of his face like Aiden Hutchinson.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
No, No, like Anakin Skywalker Star Wars tribute.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Okay, and we know you know he's a good looking kid.
I don't. I don't know where you get reading defenses,
and I don't know where you get audible. How do
you know? How do you know that?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well? Because I watched him actually check down at the line.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Every quarterback does you know that?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Not the young ones?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Every quarterback you got.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Is even allowed to check down at his head?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
It is.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I've seen many guys that the that's Caleb. He got
to check down. But there's a lot of guys in
their first or second year where they don't really let
them do this. Sure, and using his cadence to reveal
whether they're in his own, whether they're in a man.
I watched him check down, I watched him make a
lot of throws. I watched him at the combine, and
I watched him get along with everybody, and when you

(41:18):
take those different receiver after receiver after receiver running these
different routes, and he just kept hitting guy after guy
after guy while I watched cam Ward miss a lot
of those throws. Listen, this is not the twenty twenty
four quarterback class, correct, but Jackson Dart seems like a
hit for me.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I don't care what a guy, the owner of the
Tennessee Titans don't. I do not care what a guy
does in shorts and shorts.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I think cam Warden is going to be a legitimate
I mean to me, I see cam Ward with the
same career arc as Justin Fields.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, I know, teams four, teams, first six.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I don't see that. I really don't. Justin Fields it
was it was awful what just took place on Sunday,
But Justin.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Fields two days before that, we're pretty good.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, but Justin Fields also went to a team originally
Chicago Bears. And I don't think we can undervalue this
at all the number of head coaches or coordinators or
the personnel that.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
You play with.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Okay, and he had crap personnel, all right. I don't
know how good justin Fields truly is. I don't think
he's any top ten quarterback. Okay, I'm not suggesting that,
And I don't think I don't know how good cam
Ward's gonna be. I'm okay with saying I don't know.
Too many people in our business feel like they always
feel like they have to know when they really don't.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Cam Ward feels a lot Marcus Mario.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
He may feel that way, but I don't. We'll have
to wait and see. I don't know where you get.
Jackson Dart is the only rookie quarterback making Every quarterback
at some point during a season is calling more than
one play in the huddle and checking at the line
of scrabba. But that tells you they are audibling.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
But I'm watching Joe and Gabriel in his start and
he does not have the type of impact and ad
libbing at the line that I've seen from Jackson Dart
in his short, short window of starting.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
And there's very few guys.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Last year is the exception, because pretty much well at
least five of those six quarterbacks were coming in and
they were allowed to do their checkdowns and pretty much
operate however they wanted at the line. I mean, Jade
and Daniels and Caleb, especially off Rip, you saw a
lot of that. But watching like Levis when he first
came there, they weren't letting him do a much of that.

(43:31):
And yes, I do know that that all of them
have the opportunity to do a little bit of it,
but you see some of these young guys really do
it and succeed with it, and then you see other
guys that kind of have to get they get stuck
in a situation where they have to check to a run.
What I've seen from Jackson Dart, I'd be upset if
I'm Tennessee's ownership right now.

Speaker 10 (43:51):
Okrect, So I have a question, do you think that
it's justified that Brian Callahan got fired? Because I feel
like it's symbol in this new age of football that
you don't get an extra two to three years to
perfect your coaching style. Doing well, then the coaches gotta go.
And this season, after playing six games, the Titans have

(44:12):
scored only eighty three points, which is the lowest enfranchise
history since what was.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
It was Dan's first year?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
What three thirteen and one?

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
And then the next year he went what one in
five to start the season or two and six or something.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
And start the year, but he finished nine and eight,
of course.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
But midway through that season the same situation, they could
have just cut bait and fired him. Yeah, you have
no idea where he's going to get. I imagine the
calls for ag right now in New York are allowed.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Now he looks he looks a little more out of
his element than Dan did.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I'll be honest, we don't watch him every day. We
don't talk to him every day.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Did you watch next end of the first half.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to practices and
uh talking to the media after every single day like
Dan Campbell. I don't think we can judge Aaron Glenn
because we're not covering him every single day, whereas Dan
Campbell we see and hear from him every single day.
Just to make an observation from afar because of what

(45:13):
Aaron Glenn looked like at the end of one half,
I'm not going that far. I'm surprised to your point
that they have not won a game, are right.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
There that they let slip through their fingertips.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
But Garrett Wilson comes off the field saying, why the
hell are you using one of the time. Yeah, And
I would also say this, if one of any of
those quarterbacks lost to the New Orleans Saints, like Jackson
Dart lost to the New Orleans Saints, you would probably
be pretty pissed off at him.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
There he goes, that's a that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
You know, he racked me off my point, sorry.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Said, he said, it's just the Titans. Are the Titans
doing Titan things?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
But you know it should hire Denzel Washington, That's what
they ought to go.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
But if look, if AG only wins one game this year,
how different is it from the But if AG only
wins one game with the Jets this year, how different
is it from from Dan Campbell going three.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Thirteen to one.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Both these guys inherited JV rosters, talentless, void of depth rosters,
and you watch him turn.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
It around for a few guys.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I mean, I mean, you fired Dan Campbell halfway through
his second year. And there is no fairy tale in
Detroit right now. And the Titans will never know. I
don't think Callahan is in the same company.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
It has to be you know, not that we're going
to do Tennessee television here or streaming, but it has
to be something more than just wins and losses. It
has to be about house. And that's why I'm surprised
that Mike McDaniel is still in Miami after what to
a tongue of lo loas said yesterday, which by the way,
is absolute bull crep. You don't air your laundry like that.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
I think it's that due has been doing it all season.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
What is wrong with him? I thought he was supposed
to be a really good leader at Alabama and he's
out there he's like that starts from the top. My god, man,
if you've got guys missing meetings, you know what you
ought to do. Close the door, close once everybody's here.
This is not acceptable. Blah blah blah, and get him
the hell out, Get him the hell out. You don't
do that in the media, you don't do it at
a podium, and you're sure as hell don't do it

(47:24):
after a loss. Okay, but I digress, especially as the quarterback,
especially as a quarterback. But how did it get there.
It's got to be more than just the numbers. If
he's lost a culture, or he's lost a room, or
perhaps he's lost one particular guy below cam Ward, then maybe.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
You see and that's probably the juxtaposition when you talk
about Dan Campbell, Uh, the guy who was high here.
Even that's right, the GM they probably saw, you know what,
we're on the way. We see the culture, we see
how the players are working, we see we have young
players and it honestly, I was listening to some of
these Dan Campbell quotes this weekend for therapy, and uh,
the one where he was like, we just got to

(48:06):
get that last little bit of stints out of there,
that last little bit of losing and we're almost right there.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
It was conviction.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, I wonder where that is, Oh you're talking about
from way back in the day, because I think that
locker room, even though they lost last night, I think
that locker room is just chuck full. I mean it smells,
it stinks of professionalism to me.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well, I mean, look at look at the way that
Brian Branch ends the game today. But then the way
he answered to his actions, and I mean was so
proactive in going out there calling himself childish and explaining
why it was done, but just forthright in his apologies.
Just don't see that from many young athletes these days.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
That's that culture.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
And you can't the same who did.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Accountability as a young point can't help.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
But wonder if it during that ten minute period shut
down period before Dan Campbell watched the podium that he
said so than to Brian Branch, wouldn't surprise any of us,
right the damn Campbell would have handled it that way.
And what happened out there, man, I mean, it's a
it's a good example of the impact that I think
he's made. Here's my concern for Brian Branch. And I

(49:14):
love him, I do. I think he's a phenomenal player.
It's it's it's getting to be we're getting borderline where
it's getting a little.

Speaker 12 (49:21):
Much new age c new age Wallace man that one,
and it's like, yeah, but Rashid Wallace did it as
a veteran, you know, and people just thought, no, he.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Did that from the day he got in the league.
He did that U NC. He's always was that way.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Well, he wasn't like that at UNC, No, he wasn't.
He was a monstros attitude is one thing what he
did later on, and I can't think you can't say
about him because he was a missing piece to the
championship and he's a hell of a player.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I'm not talking absolutely, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
No, I'm saying I'm saying me, Okay, can't say it
because he's a hell of a player. But don't tell
me the twenty plus technicals in the season doesn't get
old because it may be funny for us whoo woo
woo woop, because then we just go uh and then
let's find the car we're going home after the game.
Whereas the coach has gotta be like, holy crap, he.

Speaker 10 (50:08):
Becomes a liability. Yeah, if you have a player that's
a hothead and continues to do things like that, then
as a coach, like how much more can you trust
your if.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
You depending on your leadership and.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
You're all pro player and the.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Best teams are all player led. If you have leadership,
you can handle that. If you're a young coach, or
you're a coach who has a team that isn't very good,
that is a no, no, it's really hard to have
something like that. Why, which is no, they had internal leadership.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Bad boys. The Lions are the bad boys. And now listen,
they came for for Kirby last year, they're coming for
for the Honey.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Brancher this year.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's a fine man. Bring that swagger, make people worry.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
That's stupidity.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I listen, a huge Maybe what he did was stupid.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I get in, But I'm okay with it. Wait, you
know what we'll lam beer and what my horne and
what worm did? It was stupid sometimes too, but you
brought that edge. And I'll tell you what, when you
line up against these Lions, you know you know I'm
okay with it, especially with the way that he responded afterwards. Now,
if he's suspended for this big matchup on Monday night,

(51:18):
then you really have a point.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Oh well, and then are you okay with it?

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Still?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yes, I'll say the reason you're okay with it is
because it doesn't affect you.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
It's it's a selfish play.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
No, it's a Detroit play on my No for me
as a Detroiter, as watching all of our Detroit teams
be bad ass bullies. I'm okay.

Speaker 7 (51:42):
Look for me to like I get it from that standpoint,
But we also have to understand that even with Seed,
we said, bro, you can't get tossed out of games.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Not in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Suspend it, not in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Regular he missed the game in the playoffs because of it,
and that's why we healful case. So there's a time
you want to be you want to be badass like
Philly used to be with the you know, the Broad
Street bullies. That's fine back in the day. That's one thing.
Now it's a little different. I think it's irresponsible. I
think it's selfish. I think it's stupid and he should apologize.

(52:17):
And this coming from a guy who loves Brian Branch
but I think that. But you're okay with it just
because of what it means for the city of Detroit.
I want to know what I mean with for the Lions.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I'll continue and for what it means, for what it
means for the city of Detroit, and even more importantly,
to answer your question what it means for the Lions
is this is a squad that went on the road
to a team they beat an Arrowhead the last time
they saw them, a team that's been to four of
the last five Super Bowls. If I'm correct who's won
three of them, and they got out foxed last night.

(52:51):
Lions are a better team in my opinion, but they
got out fox they got outsmarted. You look what Andy
Reid did, You throw the ball past twenty yards? They
danked and dunk and took advantage of our injured secondary
and nobody could tackle on the edges. And that's all
that they did. And they outsmarted us. And at the
end of the game, they ran their mouths. They got
us frustrated. We get a Tiki tech idiots played by

(53:13):
Brian Branch which he apologized for. Mike gets suspended for
might cost us him next week on Monday. However, this
is that stepping stone that a championship team needs to
go through.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
This is like going to Boston. Let me finish.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
This is like going to Boston when you know you
have a better team than the Celtics, but they get
in your head and they get you to throw the
ball in bounds underneath to DJ stole by DJ underneath
to Bert. These are the things like eighty eight going
to play and get into I'm telling you, man this
all right.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
You can have your opinion. You know I'm gonna tell
you my opinion.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
This is a moment that they going they get beat
by the best team this decade in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
They're not the best team three or three super bowl
last year.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
They got three of the.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Last five and a half.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
The sapervison tell you right you right now.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
So Philadelia is going the forgetting email season, going to Alostia.
Want a super Bowl that you're better.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Than, but they beat you. We were better than Kansas City.
Might be the dumbest project I've heard. You could call
me dumb, but it's my pen.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
And you know what every lion right now is in
their locker room. Here's what they're doing. They're going you
know what, damn it.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yes, they're gonna learn from what happened.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Moments this is just are you are you want to
win the Central Division? You want to win the North Division?
Or do you want to be in the fucking super Bowl?
And that's when it comes down to this one. Shout
out Fox to my apologies. You call me dumb chef,
but I've watched moments like this turned teams that are
aspiring to be champions in two champions period.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
They came in a champions that was a big move man,
big move in.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
That Riley Green's the superstar, right, A superstar?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Never said that, Okay, I didn't. I said he's a
two time Also I never called I think I reserved
superstar status for very few players. So you've been caught
that is dead wrong. And anybody who listens to this,
you know, damn, I can't wait to see it. I
cannot wait to see it.

Speaker 7 (55:21):
I will say this his uh safety mate back then.
He's a guy that often you hear players crying about
his play, but he finds a way to not get suspended.
He finds a way to the referee games, he finds
ways and not get fined.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Him.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
He's still yet.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
He might get fined though he might get He might
be fined.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Sometimes he might after what he said.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yet last night, he's probably gonna get fine.

Speaker 7 (55:47):
Oh yeah, if you see a social media feet, he's
definitely getting Yeah, he's he's but I don't think he
still He's largely been, by the league's standard, a clean player.
And that's where we got to see Brian Branch. Dan
Campbell called it what controlled fury that co octane like.
That's where Branch has to get this thing to be

(56:07):
able to stay on the field because you know what
you called out the Chiefs game plan, So you know
who would.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Have been frustrated, Brian Branch.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
That's a game plan to just straight up discombobulate him
and Jack Campbell. If you have no secondary back there,
you could say, we can test them, but then we
have to deal with their first two layers of defense.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Ye and Jack Campbell. He handled himself, no problem, Brian
Branch has. Now what is happening now is you build
a reputation and whether we like it or whether we
like it or not, and we don't like it, but
the NFL referees they have long memories. If you don't
think Terry arn Arnold had some type of reputation for
being a little sticky, you would be incorrect. And that's

(56:46):
probably why they target him a little bit. If you
don't think Brian Branch has built himself a reputation pulling
a packer's helmet off and throwing it, giving the double
bird to lambeau Field. And now this that's where you
have to be careful. You gotta be really careful when
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
If Dom Thekinsue didn't have a reputation.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
That's surprising too, because I could have sworn they won
a championship, all right, when we come back. When we
come back, we'll get to the Lions game from last
night and some of the egregious errors that were made
and why you can legitimately think that the Lions, yes
to Anson's point, are still the best team in the
National cent League, which we both say is the case.

(57:30):
That's coming up on the Breklin Edwards Show after this
from Smoothie King, which would taste really good right about now.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Listen, the Lions.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
They're going to recover, and recovery is where winners are made.
Smoothie King has the clean ingredients, real fruit and protein
to help you refool and come back stronger. Join us
download the Healthy Rewards app and build your perfect post
workout routine.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
With Smoothie King rowberry banana.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Every Friday.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
That's mine too, Every Friday, bring of the Edwards Breakdown
the Smoothie King High School Athlete of the Week Special
shout out to the lad Foundation for making this possible.
Lead helps provide student athletes with the tools to excel
in reaching their academic and athletic goals, as well as
impact their community. Nominate your favorite Michigan athlete from any

(58:21):
sport using that QR code right above my head today
and head on over to Smoothie.

Speaker 10 (58:27):
King and after you get your smoothie, you can place
your bet with Caesar's Sports Book. If I told you
could place any bet up to one thousand dollars and
if you lose, you get that back, would you think
I'm crazy? Scan this QR code right above me or
enter the code Woodward one thousand. If your first bet
doesn't hit, you'll get your deposit right back, up to

(58:49):
one thousand dollars. That's right, up to one thousand dollars back,
just for giving it a shot. The minimum is just
twenty bucks. So download the Caesars Sportsbook app today, the
official sportsbook of Woodward Sports. Use code Woodward one thousand
or skin the QR code right above meat.

Speaker 13 (59:07):
In any Lady Jans Haircuts for Men today open seven
days a week, Sit back, relax and enjoy precision haircut,
scalt massage, hot leather neck shape and hot towel treatment
from one of our talented stylists. Step up your game
this season and take advantage of.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Our twenty dollars haircut special.

Speaker 13 (59:23):
Scan the QR code and get your coupon today Lady
Jans Haircuts for Men, the ultimate haircut experience, open seven
days a week. Walkin's always welcome Lady Jane's Haircuts for Men.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
It's wicked awesome.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Everyoneonder what goes on inside the game.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
He balls, got a man gut him touch Down.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Brailing Edwards Join Brailing Edwards.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
And Shaffer Edwards ev Pod looked up on The Lard
Show with shut.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Marlockson Zone God Edwards for the Touchdown where they dive
deep into the heart of sports. Weekdays from two four pm,
They're bringing you expert analysis, exclusive interviews, and a fresh
perspective on the sports you love. Don't listen only on
the Woodward Sports Networks. The super Bowl Parade in Detroit

(01:00:18):
will be one for the record books. Detroit does It's different.
Woodward Sports your official Super Bowl or Best Lines networks.

Speaker 11 (01:00:32):
You know how some things are so good they should
be world famous, but they're not. Our housemade vinaigrette is
one of those things, and the an Aposta salad we
drizzle it over the same with our hand battered chicken tenders,
original recipe soups and pasta sauces. It's almost as if
our original world famous Detroit style pizza is mocking them

(01:00:57):
and that's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Not very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
That pizza looked really good. It always does. It'd be
looking really good if you went and picked it up
in a car you got from less Stanford too. If
you look in GMC great offers right now, going on
check them out there. It is the twenty twenty five
Equanox EV two twenty nine a month plus tax. Look
at that Cadillac, the twenty twenty five Lyrics far eighty
nine a month plus tax. It's a good look and ride.

(01:01:24):
And that Hummer looks really good, the twenty twenty five
Hummer for just five ninety nine a month. It's special,
all right. You get a lot of stuff going on
with really good deals and great inventory at less Stanford
dot com and schep.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
You know what you do with that brand new car
from Left Stanford.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
You get it washed, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
And we have partnered up with Jack's Car Wash to
get you a free car wash. So if tex wsn
to eight eight eight five to two seventeen twenty nine,
we'll hook you up with that free car wash at
over forty locations around on Michigan. Free vacuums, free compressed
their free Matt cleaning rooms.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
They've got eight into your.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Cleaning locations as well, and that hand towel drying service
is available with all of them. Go to Jackson dot
com right now, jackscarwash dot com to see La Claron's
location near you don't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Text now gets shot on and we bet.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
We've seen some pink slips with some football coaches already,
whether it be Tershaun Foster, James Franklin, now we see
it with Brian Callahan. There are others. Right If Michigan
State doesn't make a bowl game this year, do you
think they move on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Do I think they do?

Speaker 13 (01:02:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I think they're a little late, or they're a little
slow to adjust as a program, But.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I would move on now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
The way really, the way the guy walks the sidelines,
he just doesn't feel like a head coach to me. Now,
if you talk to Spenny, Spenny likes some of the
recruiting stuff that they've been able to accomplish under him,
but personally he just doesn't like if you're going to
try and get back to where you were earlier on

(01:03:11):
in this century, when you were not only competing, but
you were beating corn and blue you have to get
a guy who's gonna stand up on the sidelines the
way that D'Antoni did or D'Antonio did and have a presence. Obviously,
with talk coming, he had that presence very short lived.

(01:03:31):
But we haven't seen anybody like that since Stoni and
Saban left. You need somebody that is absolutely going to
command respect and galvanize the Spartans in order to get
them back to a prominent position in the Big Ten.
And this guy walking the sidelines right now, to me,
just doesn't have it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
I was gonna ask where did it go so long?

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Because when he was first announced, everybody thought that he
was the program builder, that he was a guy that
could go out there and galvanize the team, coach up players,
and go out there and make something out of He's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Only coached eighteen games at Michigan State. Let's be careful.
And he's only coached eighteen games.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
And much like the point I just made about Callahan,
you got to give him some time, even more so
in college, to the point where you have to let
them realize their guys that they went out and found.
There's just something about him that just screams Assistant coach to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Me, you think when you say walking the sidelines, you
don't mean literally, right, I mean because like Lou Holts
was a champion. Look at how we walked to side.
Bill Parcells barely could walk to say it sidelines.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
It's I mean, just his overall presence when I see
him in press conferences, when I see him coaching, whether
it's walking up and down or whether it's him grabbing
his players, he just doesn't strike me as the guy
that's going to turn that program around. Now, obviously I'm
not in the meeting rooms. I'm not you know, on
the practice field during the summer or anything like that.
But D'Antonio just stood out after Sabin had stood out

(01:05:00):
out as these two guys that look different than everybody
else I've seen the sidelines.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Even was it, Pearlis didn't feel like a guy, you know.
To me, Hum, sure he did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Something, yeah, but that's when he was coaching. So you said, Pearliss,
didn't you realize George Pearlis was part of Pittsburgh Steelers Superbowl.
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I'm up on George Purlis, but Pearlis, you know, some
of these guys supposedly came out of his lineage and whatnot,
but he just kind of always and granted I was
growing up a Michigan fan at that time, so when
I watched Pearlis, to me, it was just kind of
this goofy, fun loving guy that just really represented what
Michigan State has always kind of been, this not very

(01:05:47):
serious football program. The only time I've ever felt they
were serious was when I saw Saban leading them, and
when I saw d'antonio's leading then, and for a moment
when you saw Tuck coming. But other than that, it's
just always kind.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Talking strictly about winning, is what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I'm talking about I'm talking about leadership, and I don't
know these guys exces nos. I am not a college
football guy. I never claimed to be, but I understand
leaders of men. And when I look at this guy
over there, he just doesn't strike the same respect or
fear that Saban and D'Antonio struck in me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Do you think great leaders have to strike fear in people?

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
It's not so much fear, but it's respect.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, Like, if you want to turn something around, you
have to be Dan Campbell. Yeah, like you, Mike McDaniel
wasn't coming in here, and turning this thing around.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
No, I don't think so either. But my guess is
when Dan Campbell first took over, you weren't that high
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Oh, I was massively Make sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
There's a lot of people who are like, wow, three
thirteen and one. Maybe I was wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
No, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
I was adamant and out there. Like the people that
were calling for his job. I've already been hitting up
Jets fans like you guys are idiots calling for this
guy's job. Rewind and look what happened in Detroit. It's
almost it's a mere image almost.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Yeah, I don't know if it's always the same thing,
but I think guys deserve some time, is my point.
And a lot of that time is also based on,
to your point, the type of culture that you build
within a locker room or a clubhouse and the type
of respect that you command. You can demand it, but
doesn't mean you're going to get it. You command it

(01:07:23):
through your actions, how you handle things, how you handle players,
and how you handle situations. Because they all recognize it.
Jonathan Smith, and we don't know if he's going to
work out at Michigan State, but at Oregon State, probably
a different situation. Right earlier in his career, it was
his alma mater. Maybe there's a little bit of a

(01:07:44):
leeway there, but he started two and ten, five and seven,
two and five before he got a winning record. I
doubt people would be that patient in East Lansing, And
I understand why because in my mind, I don't think
Michigan State should be in the bottom half of the
Big Ten in anything ever. Okay, when you're getting compared
to Wisconsin and you're getting compared to Purdue, it's ridiculous

(01:08:07):
as far as I'm concerned. And Rutgers when they're all
zero and three, all right, Luke Fickele I would remind
you though Luke Fickle was a really good football coach
at Cincinnati. Everybody loved him. In fact, most people wanted
him to be the next head coach at MSU. How's
it working for him in Madison? And by the way,

(01:08:28):
that's a dude who commanded respect when he was at Cincinnati.
That's a dude who played. That's a dude who coached
at Ohio State. That's a dude who walks the sidelines
and looks like a football coach.

Speaker 10 (01:08:41):
But what's the switch?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Well, conference is one thing. Okay, for sure, conference is
one thing. Who you're playing on a regular basis instead of,
you know, the Cincinnati schedule, You're playing a Wisconsin schedule
against the Big Ten. It's a huge difference, and perhaps
obviously recruiting would be part of it. It's hard to
recruit certain types of players at Madison when Cincinnati was

(01:09:05):
slinging it all over the yard. Are you going up
against better coaches, yes, better dcs, yes, better talent without
a doubt. And then does Wisconsin have the money to
compete just like Michigan State. Do they have the money
to compete with some of the other really good teams
within the conference.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
That situation kind of reminds me of Rich Rod coming here.
I don't necessarily think that rich Rodd was a bad coach.
He just tried to bring a system that I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Believe works in the In the Bay tape, you can't
get stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah, And it kind of seems similar because what they
were running in Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
I didn't think that that would work in the Big
tap right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Right, But Michigan also had smaller linemen. He thought he
was gonna win with speed and agility and all that
other stuff, smaller linemen, more fragile running backs, Okay, not
big pocket passers. The guys he won with it was
it just doesn't work that way. You have to adjudg
us to a conference. You have to know what it's

(01:10:03):
going to take to be teams.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
And if you've.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Got diminutive defensive linemen going up against at the time
Wisconsin offensive lineman who are three hundred pounds in blocking
out the sun at every single position and are bigger
than most NFL offensive lineman, you're going to have a long,
long career there, and I mean long long. Is that
it's going to be a struggle for you, and I

(01:10:26):
think that's part of the issue. So I Jonathan Smith.
The thing about Michigan State that I've always respected, and
I'm a little surprised they haven't been able to do that.
Michigan State, I think, has given up the second most
points in the Big Ten, maybe the most points in
the Big ten. That's not how you change a program.
It's hard to change, but you can change the program

(01:10:47):
by winning the battles of the trenches, and Michigan you
can at least get close.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
We've got good wide receivers though, and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Michigan State always used to be able to do that.
Michigan State used to be really really good winning the
Battle of the Train Dave Sakura, and they don't do that.
And it's been proven right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
When I look at Jonathan Smith, you know, similar to
to what Dan Campbell inherited, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
It was a mess, you know, And when you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Look at the situation after Tuck leaves, it's an absolute mess,
from administrative down to the players that you have on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
The field SI and those who left.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Believe that he should be granted more time and more
leniency the same way that we gave Dan. My thing
is that if if if you hired me as ad
at Michigan State right now, you're going I'm gonna go
in there and be like, well, you got to let
him finish this year and give him one more year
so he can figure out what his guys are.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
But every time that we see this a new ad
or a new owner, h new new GM and then
you you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Leave this coacher for a year and a half to
see if he can do it with his guys, You're
literally just shooting yourself in the foot for a year
and a half, go and get your guy that you
feel right with and as much as he might be,
you know, might be good in a couple of years.
I would just I'd cut bait right now. Get that
guy that I feel is going to command the respect

(01:12:11):
in the locker room but also nationally from people that
are viewing our program at Michigan State, and you build
from there, because this guy might have had that record
that you talk about at Washington State.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
But I don't at least feel or against State.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I'm sorry, I don't really feel like the Pac ten
has translated well to moving over to the Big ten
for quite something.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Yeah, I understand where you're come from with that. I
wouldn't disagree with that. I strongly disagree with the ad
having to go get his own guy every single time.
Sometimes the best move made is keeping the guy or
recognizing keeping the guy who's in charge in the first place.
David Brandon Michigan could have gone out and got his
own guy instead of keeping John Beeline or Manual could

(01:12:50):
have done the exact same thing. Why just because I
gotta have my guy in there, I got work in
the smartest guy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Bline was work.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Yeah, but he was also there for longer than a
year and a half. This guy's only here a year
and a half just because Jay Batt comes from Georgia Tech,
and who knows if he hires the right people down there,
comes from Georgia Tech and inherits the coach. Remember Brad
Holmes inherited Dan Campbell. You've used him as an example
a couple of times. Sometimes the best move is the
move you don't make. You keep the guy in charge.

(01:13:21):
Because the guy's really good, he's got to prove it
to you. I'm not saying that Jay Batt automatically has
to keep him. Okay, jay Batt, probably one of the
first things he's worried about is not his head football coach.
It's more about fundraising to help the football coach. Once
you establish that, then perhaps he goes you know what,
Now I'm recognizing this guy can't quite do the job.

(01:13:44):
Let's open things up. Let's go talk to fill in
the blank. I like Jason Kandell Toledo, all right. I
like Matt Campbell Iowa State, two coaches who I think
are really good and I think would be excellent fits.
If Jonathan Smith didn't work out, that's a big If
he's not going to change his head basketball coach. Why
would you. He's Hall of Famer. He's not gonna change

(01:14:04):
his head hockey coach. Why would you. He's won back
to back Big Ten titles, first time in Michigan state history.
So you keep those guys in place because they're established.
This guy's got a much heavier lift. You've admitted that
much heavier lift. Why would just change him just for
the sake of changing him?

Speaker 10 (01:14:21):
Because of not winning another game this season is high.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
You don't think they'll win another game this year.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
They're gonna win any slancing against Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Book it cool, good, book it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
So they'll lose to UCLA, but they'll beat Michigan who's
better than UCLA, which sometimes you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I'll tell you what we should record A Blue fan
and feeling a lot less coughing in about late October right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Now, Rubbary games, you never know. Rivalry games, you absolutely
never know. You cannot put one plus one equals this
in that situation.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
I don't think I'm gonna start calling you guys. It's
mixed Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Corner and blue spelled b L E W.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
B L right, yellow and blue.

Speaker 7 (01:15:06):
But I do want to ask you this what is
your confidence level, Because for a head coach's it's two
different things here as you guys have talked about him
as a coach as well as him as an actual
program builder, you know, because that to me is where
I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
I think he's getting his way on both of them.

Speaker 7 (01:15:22):
And I don't know necessary with Michigan State goals in
there with Haley's you know comments as relates to they
might not win another game, I think whether you win
another game or not, if there's a threat to your program,
if there's a threat to recruits, especially in the day
and age of the ni L where people are doing
both Michigan, Yeah, they can go out and get your portal.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
You're gonna lose guys all the time.

Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
Well I mean not just losing guys, but what you
can do to go out there and actually be attractive
to those players n I l and in a portal
as well. I do believe that the longer you hold
on to a coach that you know players don't necessarily
have confidence in his program building skills, I think that
you lose out on the ass of what you can be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I think this is but he has built a program,
you know that I mean Oregon State.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
So but this was different than a Big ten where
you even got more teams.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Yeah, I mean, but the paxwell was pretty good. They
were pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Oregon stayed a program though.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Well not now, but back then they were. I mean,
you went double digit games in the PAC twelve. I
think you're doing something pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
And I'm actually but I actually believe that the Smith
is going I think he's a good coach.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
I do think he's going to figure this out.

Speaker 7 (01:16:26):
I'm on record as saying I thought that he was
going to build a decent program at Michigan State. And
I'm a Michigan fan, and so I am one of
the ones who if you had to say give them
the time, I would say give them the time.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
Sometimes these things cycled through.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
I remember in the beginning, if you ask some Michigan fans,
Harball even Harbaugh wasn't even.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
A hot high for Well, he was hot higher. But
they were running out of a parent, they were running out
of patients with to Haley's point, they play Indiana, they
will get piss pounded in Momington. Then they play Michigan,
Andson's already said they're going to beat Michigan then they
played PJ Fake at Minnesota, Okay, and then it's home

(01:17:04):
against Penn's Day, who fired James Franklin yesterday. Okay, so
who knows what that and they're without Drew Aller the
rest of the year. Then it's at Iowa, who just
slapped Wisconsin up and down the yard, and then Maryland
at Ford Field, which I hate. I think it's awful,
but I understand why they do it. And Maryland's pretty good.

(01:17:26):
They're better than their record would indicate. Okay, they're pretty good.
So she's got she's got something here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
He needs one more game, he only needs to win
one more game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Could but see now they're in lies. Part of the
problem for Michigan State fans as long as you beat
that one team that not a whole lot else matters,
and it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
And then we just wait for March madness.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Yeah, and then that's why you're left behind on a
regular basis when it comes to football. That's that's part
of the issue. I thought this past weekend was a
pretty bad indictment of what Michigan State. When you got
U C. L A at home, and you would think,
if you if you believe in the up down theory
where U. C. L a Is riding high after upsetting

(01:18:14):
Penn State that nobody saw coming. Nobody in the country
saw that coming, and they've lost two coordinators and they've
lost their head coach to go on the road. You
would think if there's ever the letdown, that would be it.
And they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Cornin Blues triggered in the chat. There's so mad.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
I said, that's what you got, That's what he wanted,
and that's what he's getting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
I know exactly who's gonna say it every single time time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I don't think there's a show he's done where he
hasn't tried to trigger Michigan fans in the chat.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Easily triggered, easily triggered unless they actually went there.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
I see. Freddy felt all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Right, when we come back, we will talk about that
Lions game from last night against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Anson and Iron step here. We still believe the Lines
are the best team in football.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Let's say you We'll get to that after this from
doctor Pierce and a really good pizza place called Buddies.
Yum yum.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Hey, the best in medicine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Athletes unlimited looking for a way to support local athletes
with physical disabilities. Athletes Unlimited, a Michigan based nonprofit, has
one simple mission in mind, breaking down barriers so everyone
can experience the joy of sports, from sled hockey to
wheelchair basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
And lots more.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Join them and doctor Jeff Pierce on November six for
their annual top golf fundraiser Shoy three hours of golf, food, drinks,
a raffle, and a live auction. You can register online
or consider becoming a sponsor today. Find that information out
over there at athletes Unlimited dot com. You can also
get in touch with doctor Jeff S. Piers at two

(01:19:56):
four eight four two six nine four. Just scan that
QR code ABU.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
How about Vincent and the chat saying I'm a State fan,
but I'm not gonna lie to myself. Don't lie to
yourself and think that there's a better pizza place out
there than Buddies, because there isn't. Buddies Pizza twenty two
locations throughout this great state of Michigan, and no pizza
is better. If you want a Detroit style original, there's
no place better to get it than Buddies because they

(01:20:22):
are the original. They have been doing it for seventy
nine years and a dedicated community partner. Right now, you
can save ten percent off your Buddy's Pizza and your
Buddy's order in general ten percent off the entire order
using the promo code ten meal. That's ten meal. Find
the location nearest you. It won't be hard you go

(01:20:44):
to Buddiespizza dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Why do we fight?

Speaker 9 (01:20:48):
We fight to protect the innocent, to hold the powerful accountable,
to bring the oppressors to justice. Why do we fight?
Fight to secure and preserve our civil liberties, to get
each and every one of our clients the justice they deserve,
and to make the lives of real people just like

(01:21:11):
you whole again. Then Fights dot Com.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Big Injuries, Big News twice a week. Doctor Jeff Peers
from Michigan Sports and Spine joins Woodward Sports Network for
the injury Insider reports, Big d Energy Tuesdays at noon
bray On Edwards and Chef Thursdays at three thirty. Get
expert analysis and in depth breakdowns on the latest sports
injuries from the man trusted by top athletes in the community,

(01:21:40):
like d MAC, whether it's the Lions, Pistons, Tigers, or
Red Wings. Doctor Pierce talks us through it all. Don't
miss the Injury Insider Report with doctor Jeff Pierce, your
go to source for are understanding the impact of injuries
on the games and players we love. Only on Woodward
Sports Network. Scan the QR code on the screen or
go to Michigan sportsanspine dot com to see if doctor

(01:22:00):
Jeff Pearce can help you. Ever wonder what goes on
inside the game Man Gun touts down Brailer Edwards. Join
Brailer Edwards and Shafton Edwards on The Brailler Verarde Show.

Speaker 14 (01:22:21):
With shot Marlton's God Edwards for the Touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Where they dived deep into the heart of sports. Weekdays
from two to four pm, They're bringing you expert analysis,
exclusive interviews, and a fresh perspective on the sports you love.
Don't listen only on the Woodwork Sports Networks every Sunday.
There's only one place to get all your kneecap and
hard hitting Detroit Lions coverage. Start your Sunday with the

(01:22:48):
Lions Weekly Report with Broder and Terry Foster, then the
Lion Spree Game Show with Neil Rule and Sean Belizian
at kickoff, keeping locked in for all the emotions of
the game with a live watch party with the heavyweights,
recap the game with the Lion's postgame show with answer
game days. There's no other place to be in would
sports Lives all game Day? O Lions.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
In the morning, don't you it's different now. It's it's
a crisp, it's clean. It's the fall, yeah, I mean,
and the winter's not far behind. Sharon's Heating and air
Conditioning is there to help you, Okay, For forty years
and then some they have been taking care of you
and your neighbors, treating you like family. And they do
it and they do it right, and they do it

(01:23:37):
all heating, cooling, air quality, water heaters, whole home generators, memberships.
Right now, time's running out on this, but you got
some time, okay. DT Gas customers, if you are a member,
you get a free furnace tune up through December. First
take advantage of it by scanning the QR code just
above my head, or call them today. Seven three four

(01:23:57):
two three eight thirty eight thirty nine. That's seven three
four two three eight thirty eight thirty nine. I hate
it when hosts go through the numbers so quickly that
you can't remember it. Seven three four two three eight
thirty eight thirty nine, and tell them the Brayleen Edwards
Show sent you Hey. Let them know hey, way more
QR coachey let them know.

Speaker 7 (01:24:19):
You See this on above my head It says check
us out. Going ahead and scan it and get a
jump on this thing. Why because if you're looking for
the ultimate pickleball experience and you gotta check out Wicked
Pickle it is Metro Detroit's hottest indoor pickleball spot. So
at same climate control courts, no matter your level of experience,
they got a daily court for you, open to all levels.
And they got two lounges with TVs, ping pong and

(01:24:41):
cold drinks. Saw his game on rain or shine, throwing
a party or at some event. They host group parties
from ten to two hundred and don't miss out in
the APA Michigan Gold Cup November twenty seconds through the
twenty thirty is coming up. So you wanna make sure
you signed up at Pickleball Tournaments dot Com again scan
that QR quote above my head. Also, you know, Michael
kind of just for what were sports pickleball party January nine?

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Can't wait?

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
More details are coming.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Somebody's gonna pull a quad muscle, someone's gonna wretch a back,
They're gonna pull something in their ribcage, or they're gonna
have tennis elbow something.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Doctor talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
My money's on Mas, Love you, buddy, love you. Mass
Ma's going to have a pull of hammy for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
They got to find that hammy first. The a lot
of people in the chat talking about how the Lions
are gonna be hungry when Tampa comes to town. Tampa's
going to get a mad and hungry Lions team. Uh,
I hope you're right. I would just remind you that
Tampa is probably pretty mad, pretty hungry since Detroit ended
their season in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
The playoffs a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
But a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
I mean, they got their.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Events to start last season. They gave us our first
l last year. So I feel like the slate's kind
of even. But we got to get healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
Tampa's not hell No Chris Godwin, no Mike Evans. Yeah,
they've lost a lot of guys and yet they still
found a way to win.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Offensive line is starting to get out so scary. They
probably will have Bucky Evering back for this matchup. So
the running game will be intact. They might not need
to throw it that much.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
It's gonna be a great game.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
I'm super excited. I think they're not both five and one,
I know, but I think Tampa is a really good
football team. Absolutely, And I think if you were to
vote now get a long way to go. But if
you were to vote for MVP, it would be Baker
Mayfield right now, would it not?

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Who else?

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Who else would challenge you for MVP of the National
Football League right now?

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Nobody else?

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Maybe Josh Allen. We'll see what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
I mean, I will say Jonathan Taylor's been pretty spectacled.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Yes, that's a good one. It's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
That's I can't really think of anybody else beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I like that one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Too many guys in Detroit to give it to one,
I don't. I don't think we ever get an MVP here.
There's too many weapons. Jared Goff can have the best
QB numbers in the NFL, and they'll blame it on
the weapons.

Speaker 7 (01:27:04):
I think he can, but I also believe he's gonna
have to eliminate the games where, you know, two or
three year where he's shooting the team and shooting himself.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
As not that he hurt us.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
It was pretty he was pretty good last night. Yeah,
he just didn't overcome and put up the big numbers
that we needed from him.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
That big drop though.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Yeah, it was It was just changed the whole game.
I was just gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
He should have a reception for a touchdown last night too.
That one is still what SI.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
So that's what I wanted to ask you, everybody, what
if you could pick out one play, which play pissed
you off more than any other?

Speaker 10 (01:27:40):
I don't even know if I could pick one. I
feel like there were two defining moments in that game
that gave Kansas City being the advantage. Number one being
that first drive with the miss Q play call with
Jared Goff, the past reception that was illegal, and then
number two being that fourth down opportunity with am n Raw,

(01:28:01):
which for him is a routine play. So that was
hard to see.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Low ball.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
He was blitzed.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
First drop in two years.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah, and you get no points out of the trip,
and a trip that you could have taken another two
three minutes off the clock. You give Pat Malhomes maybe
thirty seconds to get a field goal instead they get
three plus minutes to go down, get a touchdown. Now
you've basically got a fourteen points swing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Yeah, very good examples. One more would be And it
wasn't a blown call by any stretch, even though we
saw blown calls we did. I mean, you're gonna find
that every in every game.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
I called that out Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
But I told you, you know, the block in the
back and Brian Branch is bothersome for sure. I don't
think that's the most egregious there, Travis Kelcey, there's a
catch that was It was a drop.

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
Yes, no question, Yes, Sir Mark said the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Who did Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
And the chat family Mark Walston, Yeah, echoes your sentimental Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
So that was frustrating. The Aiden Hutchinson roughing the passer
couldn't have gotten off the field there too. It was
a legitimate call. Yes, it's the right call. Okay, he
took two full steps. It's absolutely the right call. That
frustrated the hell out of me because you thought you
had him stopped and then you see something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Masll Lapster you don't see from much much.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Right, I'm not blaming him, I'm just saying those are
some In addition, to what Haley said, and I agree.
I love the fact that Detroit won the coin flip
and said we'll take the ball. I thought it was brilliant.
And here's why. A they know in order for them
to win the game, they have their offense is going
to be their best defense, and to use up nine

(01:29:35):
plus minutes on the clock methodically going down the field,
tiring that defense out, knowing that hoping that it's going
to get paid off in the end should have been
paid off in the end. I think it's a ticki
tac bullcrap foul. And I don't know why the NFL
doesn't recognize we all know what the narrative is. What's
the narrative? The Chiefs get away with everything, right. I'm

(01:29:59):
not a big conspiracy theory guy when it comes to sports.
Too many people that have to keep their mouths shut
for us to understand it. The cold envelope. Hello, Patrick Ewing,
Tim Duncan, suddenly, Victor Webbin Yama, you get all these people.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Right, free, Tim Donahey, right, all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
These different things when it comes to narratives and conspiracy theorists.
I don't know what the I don't know what the
league benefits if Kansas City's good. I really don't why
would if that were the case, if the league they
really wanted to benefit, wouldn't they have one of the
Giants or the Jets teams be really good. Okay, so
I don't understand why they would be. But it is

(01:30:35):
interesting that there's been over three hundred plus games since
the start of twenty twenty four if you take all
the all the games, right, and thousands of plays, and
this is the first team not to have any penalty, no.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Penalty just what week eighteen, twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
That's very odd, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:30:51):
Andrew one Taylor played and he's usually the one to
get the penalties.

Speaker 7 (01:30:55):
And I was gonna bring that up as well, you know,
just to hotlight even the the non tonson Quanda. That's
the one that a lot of Detroit Detroit Lions fans
are hot about right now.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Detroitbably Piston fans too, and.

Speaker 7 (01:31:06):
Piston fans because the taunting thing is something we've seen
our players actually flagged for, and we're told that the
those flags are important to try and maintain, you know,
on the field. It's because then you look at the
end of the game, they don't call these things during
the game. How much can you go then, even though
Brian Branch is supposed to you tell us though that

(01:31:29):
these rules are intrinsically linked to keeping down those types
of scuffles, and so I do believe that missing those calls,
especially the taunting one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Can you be specifically the example so you're talking about
to Patrick Mahomes and Juju smith Suster.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
Yeah, yeah, Patrick Mahomes is running to the end zone
for the touchdown, points at Brian Branch kind of bumps
and throws the ball out of him again, up and down,
does a little whatever, and he does.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
He does that a lot. But we just so, first
of all, I like Patrick Mahomes, I do, but I
don't like that he's able to go up to a
referee and say, by the way, you shouldn't throw a flag,
and then the referee says there's no flag. Okay, So
there there is a little bit of that. But I
think a lot of I think he's a hell of
a player. Yeah, I think he's a really good leader.

(01:32:16):
And I know people don't like his Kermit the Frog voice,
but I think he's hell of a player. Jackson Dart
did does that and everybody's like, Oh, that's really cool.
He's dancing and he's he's doing all that, yeah, in
a preseason game, and everyone's like, oh man, that's great. Man,
he loves the sport, and so on and so forth.
Patrick Mahomes does it. And because we're tired of Kansas

(01:32:38):
City winning guilty, We're tired of Taylor Swift in the
box major guilty. Oh my god, I'm so sick of it.
And we're tired of Travis Kelcey whining and throwing picks
when he should be flag for them. Correct, okay, correct,
But we see a lot, we see a lot of
people do that type of celebration. Why don't we get

(01:32:59):
as upset about that? It happens all the time, man,
all the time. Cam Scatable can go in there and
do a backflip. It's really impressive for a guy his size.
And I like the way he runs. No problem there,
No problem, Patrick Mahomes does. Hey, shoot mcgabbn. People are
pissed off.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Why I'm not pulling the race card right now, But
it's a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
To be quite honest with you, you think you think
is race.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Absolutely absolutely Shoulder gets blackballed from the league for doing
the same stuff that Jackson Dark got celebrated on Thursday
Night Football for doing. It's the same stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Well, yeah, but we see I'm on Ross Saint Brown
stand on his head. We see Jamison Williams do all
kinds of celebrations. Yeah, there's there and they're black, and
that's not a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Jamo is a problem for a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
No, Jamie's a problem when he has his brother's gun
under his seat. Okay, that's completely different. We're talking about
on field celebration here.

Speaker 7 (01:33:54):
It's okay for some people to just have their guns,
though it was a difference for him, and they jumped
the gun on that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Jamult no pun intended, But you're pun should be intended.
I really, I'm just telling you. I don't I don't
see the race thing. I think it's more of the
Kansas City thing. Real quick here, I mean Tyreek Hill,
look at look at the celebrations he puts on. Oh yeah, okay,
I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:34:14):
I don't have a problem with the celebration, but if
your celebration is going to include me the opposing player,
that's where it does cross the line.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Bingo, And that's the difference. Everybody else's is solitary. You're
one hundred percent right, kool aid. He brought a lion
into different that's the difference. But I remind you, Baker
Mayfield's done that too. Okay, Baker Mayfield's done the same stuff, right,

(01:34:41):
am I wrong? He's done the same stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Oh boy, oh oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
We just have.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Almighty. I'm gonna be here until five o'clock. God, come
on over here.

Speaker 7 (01:35:02):
Hey, I'm glad every time brand camera and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
I know this isn't exactly why you did it, but
we want to thank you because Braillen Edwards it's really
Brailan's beat freight to Brailan's beach. So who are you
New York Shrip? My name is Jerry Brands. All right, Jerry,
great to have you show people what we have and
what Hayley's going to eat as soon as we go
to break.

Speaker 15 (01:35:21):
Uh well, I'm gonna start with the advertisers. We have
volcano shrimp, which is a little bit spicy. It's obviously
a lightly battered shrimp. I'm gonna have chopstick chicken, which
is the same thing and it's a little bit more
of a spice to it. For the entree, the main
we have steak and lobster. We did go with the
strip instead of the sirloin that we have on special,
but New York strip is Brailann's favorite. We throw the strip,

(01:35:43):
then we have our lobster. Normally, also we would throw
it on a rock like this the stone cook that's
what we're famous for. So we just okay, and then
then the macaroni in cheese.

Speaker 11 (01:35:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
So when you throw it on the rock, how hot
does the rock get? Seven fifty five? Is that the
ideal temperature you want your steaks cooked at.

Speaker 15 (01:36:03):
Ideally you want it to because you want to see
all that juice immediately into the Like, the hotter you
cook that steak, the more likely that juice that flavor
is going to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
I've heard you have to let steak settle for a
little bit. Okay, how long? Only a couple of minutes,
Just a couple of minutes.

Speaker 15 (01:36:21):
So what happens if you don't is when you go
to cut it, all that juice will fall out of
the state.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
And you don't get that flavor. Gotcha, Yeah, yeah, I
got you. We're going to turn that on real quick.
So is this the most it's now when we look
at at black Rock, is this the most popular orders.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
On kool aid. I just turned it on.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
It's on now. Is this the most popular dish that
you guys are are selling the steak and lobster because
it's an unbelievable deal for twenty dollars? Yes, it's fine.
How do you do that? How do you do that?
When that's really more like a it's probably like a
seventy five dollars meal.

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
It's value, it's a value driver.

Speaker 15 (01:37:01):
You just want something that just fills everybody up and
makes them happy to come out again.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
You know, it's a great experience.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
It's a great experience. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Braylan talks a lot about how he took his grandmother
there for their for her birthday and had an unbelievable
time there and the food was fantastic experience. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's what it's come down to, uh in
customer service, correct me if I'm wrong here. But people
will go back and do it again if they're getting
treated properly. They'll spend the money too. Yeah, but that's

(01:37:30):
what it's all about.

Speaker 15 (01:37:31):
Everybody I would sells since twenty twenty twenty, Before that, everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Was you know, everybody's Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:37:37):
Now it's if you don't hit the experience.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
Yeah, most people are at home take away.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Yeah, takeaway right. Well, that's why black rocks. That's why
black Rock is so successful. Congratulations man, and thanks a lot.
It's great to have you come in any time. Uh yeah,
and you don't have you don't have to bring the
food either. You come in any time and we just
enjoy having you. It's it's great to learn from people.

Speaker 7 (01:38:01):
Cardier in the chat and say, yo, let me get
a steak on the stone.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
Steak on the stone. I like that. Steak on the stone.
Seven hundred and fifty five degrees. What do you put
your grill at when you're grilling at home? That's what
I do, four hundred, four hundred, four hundreds of good average.
You do not put the meat on the grill until
it's at least four hundred degrees right, no matter the meat, right,

(01:38:30):
and steak should be it really should be medium at
the most right the most it should be medium.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Absolutely, there's absolutely.

Speaker 9 (01:38:42):
All that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
The juice. Yeah, and this this hot shrimp is off
the charts by just so people know as an appetizer,
you could really have it as a meal. It's that good.
So it's great stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Thank you so much, appreciate you swinging by. It's fantastic
shot out. Talk about good stuff, man, think about that
nineteen You want value in life, right, nineteen ninety nine
for a steak for steak and lobster. What more do
you need? You don't need that much.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
It's like nineteen ninety pricing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
I know it's beautiful, real all right. We want to
get to more in the chat for sure. I know
you're hungry. You should be hungry after looking at this.
This is such beautiful stuff right here. You can see
it if I tilt it just a little bit more.
You have to steak the lobster. You have to shrimp
some chicken and macaroni and cheese, and then of course
the steak on a rock.

Speaker 7 (01:39:29):
Let me get one of these. I'll get a camera
close up on some of this. Yeah, they got this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
When we come back by the way, we will get
to the mail bag and we want to get to
the super chats. You deserve to be heard there. It
is right there.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Oh goodness, I know, I know, smiling, you know. Can
I just say one thing? I apologize?

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
I think there's a lot of people who are really
really hungry on that every right to be hungry. I
don't blame you one bit. And right now you're shaking
your head. You say, how do you ship and Anson
deserve that? Well, it's really for Haley.

Speaker 10 (01:40:04):
I want to bite right now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
So we when we come back, we're gonna give you
all the chats that deserves to be mentioned, and of
course the mail bag that's coming up next on the
Brailan Edwards showports.

Speaker 7 (01:40:18):
You know what, let's just tell them about Black Rock
how they can go in ahead and get that nineteen
ninety nine deal on the back wall.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Mister Anson and man, if you are trying to add
sizzle to your dinner plans, you gotta head to Black Rock.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Bar and Grill, Home of the Steak on the Stone.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Try the steak and lobster as Shep told you, for
just nineteen ninety nine. That is for a limited time,
so get in there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Or you can come in.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
And get some of Brayln's beef twenty ounce handcut New
York Strip steak beasts like a beast, you see it
right there in the middle. Also, try that fourteen ninety
nine fish and chips every day, all day, cheesy pull
apart bread and their famous chili back for a limited
time as well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
And don't forget that's unbelievable, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
The Lions win, you win.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Step into black Rock after a Lions win and you
get yourself a free appetizer. Do you see They've got
locations all around Michigan. Check them out at Blackrock Restaurants
dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
Big Injuries, Big News. Twice a week, Doctor Jeff Peers
from Michigan Sports and Spine joins Woodward Sports Network for
the Injury Insider Reports, Big d Energy Tuesdays at noon
Braylan Edwards and shaftersdays at three thirty. Get expert analysis
and in depth breakdowns on the latest sports injuries from
the man trusted by top athletes in the community like

(01:41:37):
d MAC. Whether it's the Lions, Pistons, Tigers, are Red Wings,
Doctor Pierce talks us through it all. Do miss the
Injury Insider Report with doctor Jeff Peers, your go to
source are understanding the impact of injuries on the games
and players we love only on Woodward Sports Network. Scan
the QR code on the screen or go to Michigan
Sports and Spine dot com to see if doctor Jeff

(01:41:58):
Piers everyone wonder what goes on inside the game.

Speaker 14 (01:42:01):
Deep Bove, Come Man, Gun Cuts Down, Brailer Edwards.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
Join Brailer Edwards and Chafton Edwards on the Prailer Average Show.

Speaker 14 (01:42:13):
With Shotton god Edwards for the Touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Where they dived deep into the heart of sports. Weekdays
from two to four pm, They're bringing you expert analysis,
exclusive interviews, and a fresh perspective on the sports you love.
Don't listen only on the Woodward Sports Network. Hunting season
is almost to here, Detroits and your Lions are on

(01:42:38):
the prow. Make sure you're locked into Woodward Sports for
all the Dan Campbell reactions, Jared Goff touchdowns, Common Row
first downs, Penny Pancakes, Kirby Picks, Gibbs big plays, and
of course Jack Fox his leg Stay locked in on
all your Lions coverage right here on Detroit's number one
sports network Sports. The Super Bowl Parade in Detroit will

(01:43:12):
be one for the record books, Detroit Digestion, It's different.
Woodward Sports your official Super Bowl or Bust Lions Network
at woodwardsports dot com and click on shop get the
latest in Detroit sports apparel an exclusive Woodward Sports gear
Woodwardsports dot com can get the whole team outfitted fell

(01:43:34):
the Pistons, Red Wings and Tigers. Who likes something for
you too? Shop online at Woodwardsports dot com.

Speaker 10 (01:43:42):
You guys, after I demolish this beautiful black rockmeal, I'm
going to be in a food coma and I'm gonna
need to up my relaxation game. Check out Massage Sharehouse
in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, the largest massage chair showroom in
the Midwest with top brams massage chairs like Infinity and Osaki.

(01:44:03):
Located here at the corner of Woodward and Long Lake Road.
Experienced luxury comfort with doctor Eric Duncan, the wellness doc
creator of the top YouTube massage chair review channel. Book
a visit at www dot Massage Chairhouse dot com or
stand the QR code right above me. Massage Chairhouse your
ticket to ultimate recovery and relaxation.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
I challenge anybody to try and figure out which is
the best on this black rock play. It's also go
Shrimp is unbelievable, Chicken's fantastic steaks, out of this world,
Lobsters to dive for mac and cheese. You could just
shrink yourself and dive into.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
It and live there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
It's so flipping good, just like you'll look flipping good
if you come to Lady Jeans Haircuts for Men. Really
simple process, show up, sign up, and you're sitting down,
get the best haircut you could ever expect. They take
care of him, They treat you right, They appreciate how

(01:45:06):
valuable your time is. It is a very clean place.
I see people sweeping constantly to make sure it's spot
listen here and it is. It's Lady Jane. It's wicked awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
Hey, and we bag ten minutes, ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
You say we're back.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Can wait to get to this wicked awesome plate of
black rock food I'm looking at the cannot come click enough?

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
Nine minutes, cut it down.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Let's get to the mail of that, shall we?

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
Hey? We shall you know what Jordan from him? I
literally just sent this one in.

Speaker 7 (01:45:41):
Do we think there's any chance, any chance that Terry
Schoogle re signs with the Tigers?

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
I believe that there's a chance.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
People aren't confident.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
What would the percentage be under fifty?

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
Well, yeah, you do so.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
You think it could be as high as forty nine percent?

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
No, I think it could be as five Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
I think things have to gets lower than that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Oh, yeah, it probably is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
I mean it seems like they've already kind of low
balled him. He's probably feeling like they're not going to
get him the bats in order for him to win
a championship the way that if he were to end
up a Dodger, you know that they're gonna protect him
all over that lineup.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
He's probably pretty frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
So it's going to take a hell of a lot
of money and maybe some signings. But I don't know
if maybe they trade him before they even get to
that negotiating point.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
Yeah, do you think do you think the money is
the most important thing to him?

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
No, No, because he's gonna get paid regardless. I think
I don't know whether the.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
Tigers are actually got to be pretty close.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
Yeah, I would imagine it's pretty dark close.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
You're talking about what four hundred million versus four forty
or whatever you have. You're already paid, You're already into
the nine figures. But you know, when you're a guy
like he is, and he's been as good a two
times young.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
I believe he will be now after this year.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah, he should have an extra six wins per season
and he should be further into the playoffs and judging
from what they did or lack of what they did,
especially offensively at the trade deadline, it's got to give
you a lot of costs for concern. Do I want
to give my next decade of my prime to a
team that may not be willing to spend the money

(01:47:26):
and make the moves and I need to be the
Hall of Famer and multi world champion that I want
to be.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Caught me in the Miniva bte mac and Jee from Blackrock.
Here's what I did. I look at Scott Boris's clients.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
What do they usually do?

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
They hit home runs in the financial aspect, get paid.
Juan Soto didn't take less money. Blake Snell didn't take
less money. Bryce Harper did take less money. Alex Bragman,
to a certain extent, didn't take less money. Garrett Cole
did not take less money. Corey Seger did not take

(01:48:10):
less money. These are the names that Pete Alonzo, Josel Tuve,
these are the names that Trek Skubele will be associated with.
I'm not saying he wouldn't take a little less for
the Tigers, but how do you make the pitch to
him that this team is serious about winning. By only

(01:48:35):
telling them we're going to promote two guys from Double A.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
You know, every name that you have there, I think,
aside from maybe one has one thing in common.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
They're not with the team they started out.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
With, right, Altu be the only one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
The only one, I mean, Cody Bellinger is one of
his clients, was the other one I was thinking of.
Max Schurzer was one of his clients. Xander Bogart's Xander
Bogert's got a massive deal in San Diego.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
Brandon Nimmel is one of his clients who did stay
with the Mets. And I can't remember all, but Jade
Martinez was one of his guys. All I'm telling you
is that usually he finds that high price tag and
he sends his guys there. Whether they're you're the team,

(01:49:24):
the drafteder or not, he sends them there.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
An agent's not.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
His job isn't to keep you where you got drafted,
not just to get you paid period exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
And the interesting thing I think that any fan base has,
including us here in Detroit, I'm guilty of it too.
You would think, well, we have a great place here,
there's good people, it's a fair media market. Sure isn't Sharks.
People aren't out there asking really hard questions. Okay, it's
a great place to live. We think it's a really

(01:49:55):
good baseball town, do we not? Okay? And yet we
see other sports that will say, oh, he wants to
come home. Well, if that's the case, maybe Terrek Scoubl's
going to Seattle or grew up in Arizona. Right, went
to college in Seattle but grew up in Arizona. Maybe
goes to the Diamondbacks. Sometimes there are hard, really hard

(01:50:18):
things to admit, like Baltimore getting rid of Corbin Burns, yeah,
or not shooting, not getting rid of him choosing not
to sign. That's a hard thing for us to fathom.
I don't even think it's as much about that, it's
what are they going to do about it? That's what
I want to know. If at what point do everybody's
got a feel for the room? Right? Okay, the joke

(01:50:38):
didn't go over big, move on? What's the feel from
Scott Harris and aj hinch on Trek's scooble? When will
they have that feel? When will they get that feel
of the room from him? And what do they do
about it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Well? I think it has to that feel has to
come before spring training and you have to boldly move
him if you're not signing him, and it'd be lovely
to have him for one more run. I'm not trying
to trade him for a bunch of minor leaguers. I
want an SP two and a bat and then maybe
some leaders.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
Better get more than that, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Well, I just don't know if you're going to better be.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
More than that but the best.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
But there's gonna be minor leaguers in there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
But we don't need a bunch of minor leaders for
Terrek Scouble. We need guys that can step into the
lineup that day that trade is culminated, period.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Uh and then some Yeah, if you're the team trading
with them, then you're going, well, what's your leverage?

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Well, and that team that's that's the hard part.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Then that maybe that's why you're saying it is before
spring training. They're in a they're in a tough spot.
They really are, because if they can't afford him, the
only there's only a select number of teams who can
and those are the guys you're gonna have to deal with, right,
And are they willing to surrender, like, let's just say
the Cubs could do it. Well, Kyle Tucker is going

(01:51:58):
to be a free agent. Oh, Peskyle Tucker is a
really good player. But you know you would want Pete
Crow Armstrong to start, right. Are they really going to
surrender a centerpiece to their future? It's a tough spot
to be in. It's an even more difficult and challenging
spot if they can afford.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Him, almost as challenging as sitting in front of this
black rock for the last ten minutes and not touching
three minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
That's your fault, mind, I did touch it, all right.
More from the.

Speaker 7 (01:52:29):
Chat, burn with the five dollars super chat, Well, Michael
Werry actually two dollars super chat, just to tackle into
the tellen of the Tigers, says, are there any arms
in the miners that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
We could add?

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Not so much?

Speaker 7 (01:52:43):
No, No, Burn with the five dollars super chat, He says,
I'm so sorry, Brad, that's Brad Holmes. He says, you
knew more than us. In regards to Big Z, I'm
glad you didn't drop a bag on Z. And big
thank you to Z for rug pulling Philly. Yeah right,
you know, what I do think, like if he was
in Detroit, I wonder if he's still playing right now,
because I feel like his heart's in Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:53:05):
Even his girl is still from Detroit. She didn't look
right in the Philly gear.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
She didn't look Do you think his heart's in Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:53:13):
I think he wanted to be here.

Speaker 7 (01:53:14):
I think this is what the team he wanted to
be with his heart.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Oh, I don't. I don't know where you get that.
I don't. I don't know where you get that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
I'm not his body.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
Maybe it could have been just who's gonna give me
that last check? But I do believe super Bowl. Well,
Philly is resonated behind him.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
But Philly's paying him what nine million.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
With uh y three million a game?

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Well, no, no, he had meet certain criteria in order
to get.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
What he takes home for those three games he played
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Well, I love that, I love I love that he
didn't like him enough to stay with them, and that
he stole them in their money.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
It's not like he was making a huge impact, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
I mean, he he got home a few times.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
I give I give him a lot of credit in
the chat for saying, you know what Brad, you were right.
I was wrong. I think more people have to be
willing to say that right now because there's and a
lot of people on the show. You've got to do
whatever you can to bring him back. Blah blah blah.
Your heart's not in it. Your heart's not in it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Especially I don't care where you're specially.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
And I don't care where you're playing. Okay, Now, maybe
there is a Philly culture there that made him go,
this is not what I want. You know, there's a
lot of infighting there. But remember when he signed there.
What are some of the things that he said. It
was all about the brotherly love.

Speaker 5 (01:54:46):
The mentor the brotherly love, the locker room.

Speaker 4 (01:54:48):
I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
We covered it. So Brad Holmes was right when it
came when it comes to this, he was absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:54:57):
Dead on being dead alright with us, seems like it.
I'm all with ten.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
So, but fans are still going to ask for us
to sign him all year. Now, that's the problem. He's available.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
Go get him, Go convince him that you're probably right.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
But how many years though in a row?

Speaker 7 (01:55:15):
How long have we waited for all of us to
just the fans in the media, to be wrong, to
be more wrong than our gms. For years, it felt
like our fans against the Lions gms in front offices
could make some compelling case.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
But we were always right. You take Francis Moron, Yeah,
when you take guys like that, we were right.

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
Sorry, we finally got a reversal.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
Now, this guy's smarter than us, sat Even though we
always like to think we're the smart people in the room,
he's the bright one in the room. And our thanks
to Blackrock for this phenomenal meal. Uh and a little
education too how to cook things and some of the
stuff that you really look for. Check them out black
Rock all all over the area. Really good food, phenomenal service.

(01:56:03):
If Braylan says it's good, it's gotta be good. Brayln
will be back tomorrow. I hope you have a great
rest of your Monday. Thanks for watching the Braillen Edwards
Show on Woodward Sports.

Speaker 4 (01:56:14):
Every wonder what goes on inside the game?

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Deep Bass got a man and gun it cuts down.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
Brailer Edwards join Brailen Edwards and Shafton.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Edwards having pot cut down on the Brailer Everarde Show
with shocks.

Speaker 14 (01:56:29):
Marlinton Zone God Edwards for the touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
Where they dive deep into the heart of sports. Weekdays
from two to four pm, they're bringing you expert analysis,
exclusive interviews and a fresh perspective on the sports you love.
Don't listen only on the Woodwork Sports Networks