LIONS vs RAVENS Match-Up BREAK DOWN | The Braylon Edwards Show | September 19th, 2025

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Speaker 5 (01:04):
We can't see those shorts.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Here's those things Thoughlizard the five Central has too many colors. Ryan,
just love who you are, be who you are. You
don't need to be like I remember it was it
two years ago. They had the mustard and ketchup uniform
that looked absolutely disgusting. But the next question exactly, I mean,

(01:26):
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Speaker 5 (01:40):
So this is why the Detroit d had to had
to get pulled out and shout out, you see the bag.
You know you can guess who it is.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You'll you'll like that for another year.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
I had to let you know. I mean, you know,
at the end of the day, you're right. Maybe at
the end of the year they can make something happen. Sorry,
I stepped on the court.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
The reason why something happens with that guy schoobl to.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Let you guys know, it's one. I'm still with the
Detroit Tigers. I'm still with my team. I'm still with
my squad. I know that we'll get to the postseason
and will make something happen. So that's number one, but
number two. I were my Jets stuff yesterday. Okay, really one,
and I appreciate that. Shep do me a favorite. Tell
me I got traded from the Cleveland Browns in two

(02:23):
thousand and nine to which team, the New York Jets. Okay,
I appreciate that. With the New York Jets, I proceed
to go to two, not one, but two. The Detroit
Lions have been to two NFC championships in the last thirty
five years. I've also been to two with the Jets.
There you go. So I come on this show that
takes place in Detroit and I wear my Jet stuff

(02:45):
because well, the Jets is what most people in the
NFL know me.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
They also treat you pretty well, and they treat you
exactly as an alumni.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
I got people in the Jet talking about why is
he wearing those Jets colors? This is a Detroit show.
This is all about the Detroit teams. Appreciate you. I'm
gonna tell you, like this, look, I love the Detroit Lions,
and I represent the Detroit Lions for the city of
Detroit and you guys. But the Detroit Lions never put
any money into my pocket. They never I never played

(03:13):
for the Detroit Lions. I never called a pass. I
would have liked to even though they were bad at
the time. I still would have liked to. But it
never happened.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
That is the biggest hypocrisy. When people are complaining about
you wearing something else, there are people who are in
this town who are not from Detroit, calling games, playing
for teams, wearing other outfits. Give me, don't don't even start. Okay,

(03:40):
it off all right, Judas Priest, It's unbelievable. Hey man,
I love this guy on the radio, and what are
you doing? Where's he from? Stop it? Get off it
all right. Got a problem with that, god man.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
The NFL took the segment of guy.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
I was gonna say, Bright real quick, when the NFL
draft came to your city, who put you on the stage?

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Bright, I'm gonna tell you like this when I got
to uh to the draft. It wasn't because University of
Michigan reached out and said, hey, we want you to
come on the stage and we want you to do
a draft pick. Guess what, Because Michigan Wolverines weren't selected anybody.
The Detroit Lions. They were selecting somebody. But why would
they call me. So they didn't because I never played
for Lions. But there was a team from New York

(04:27):
and it's not the Giants. It was the New York Jets.
It said, Brailn, we know the draft is gonna be
in your city. We know that you represent that city
well and we love you here in New York. What
you do? What's the honor of representing us at the draft?
You know what? You had me at braileor you had
me at Brailet the Jets of my squad. I'm always
rock with him, So stopping in the chat because I

(04:49):
played for the Jets and I love the Jets. Can
we leave that here? I'm wearing Detroit Lions stuff. Guess
what never suited up? You never saw training camp. The
only time I saw Alan Park is when they interview
me going into my rookie year before the draft, when
they were acting like they were going to take a
shot on me. Matt Miller.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Should have Yeah. That that to me, I mean, it
drives me crazy, craziness. You know, it's not like you're
rooting against the team that people in the chat are
rooting for. That's how you You're just supporting the team
that treats you right, I.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Do you want I do you want better? I have
Jets fans reaching out to me on Instagram, reaching out
to me on X and like, hey, uh did I
miss something? When did you play for the Lions? These
are my own debt fans. And my response is, oh,
you know I'm from Detroit and you know blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Hey okay, yeah, come on, Jesus, if we had, if
we had Brandon Graham on this show.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
He's not wearing a Detroit Lions Joe, He's wearing.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
The Philadelphi Eagles, and I wouldn't blame me rightfully.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
So two of those things and three appearances.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
If you had played for the Lions and you for
an extended period of time, and I'm not talking about
here's a cup of coffee, this is one season. My
name's Durham and you're out.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Five six years, and then everything else was less than two.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I'm talking about, Yeah, if you played for an extended
period of time and you rock the Jets gear, it
might bother some people and justify it them. So yeah
and fair, but you didn't. No, no, okay, So but
you do have the English dion. You're still supportive school
and Tigers the freakout meter on a freak out Friday

(06:26):
as the Braves come to town, towing with them a
five game winning streak and a pretty good offense. By
the way, is where.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Let's say the freakout meters out of five or ten?
You choose ten, Okay, six and a half, six and a.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Half kool aid? Where is your freakout meter?

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Ah, freakout meter?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
We can get to this yesterday because we were on
the air when they lost three to one and Jose
Ramiro's war crown. But we knew this was gonna happen,
all right. I'm sure Sean talked about it this morning.
I'm sure Neil talked about it this afternoon. But where's
the freakout meter?

Speaker 6 (06:59):
Freak out meaning for me? About a six and a half.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Six and a half.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Ryan six?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Ok minds at about four?

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Okay, but it's always going to be a four ship
I feel like with you it before until we get
to a point where now it's everyone can see.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It, until perhaps they're trailing, right, Okay, fair, all right.
The really thing I would bring up is, as we
look only at our team, which happens in every market,
I hope people are paying attention to the other teams.
That Toronto has a four game lead for the one seed,
which is something Detroit fans told me they coveted a

(07:36):
while ago. And now as long as we get in
as the two, New York has as many wins as
the Tigers, and Houston and Seattle are just a game back,
and I think those are important to Seattle in Houston
are going to play in Houston this weekend. We focus
on the three and a half that Cleveland is is
trailing Detroit in the division, and I get it, and
the Guardians are only one and a half back of

(07:58):
the wild card. I just have to remind I love
the phrase of you know there's nothing to play for,
which is the biggest bunch of bull crap I've ever heard.
I agree, okay, by saying that it demeans athletes and
coaches who spend all week long or all night long
top you know, topsy turvy through their sleep pattern, trying

(08:19):
to make sure they get something right and they want
to fix something. I know your teams were eliminated early
in Cleveland, but but you were. But I'm saying hot,
but I'm saying at the end of the at the
end of the season. Are you still trying to play
one year? Okay, thank you kindly, one year. But to
your point, yeah, early on you're after it. One to

(08:39):
three or four times. We knew by October? Did you
did you still study tape? Did you still practice hard?
Did you still play hard? Did you still care?

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I think that's the way it is with everybody. I'm sorry.
I mean, there's a lot of teams that can be
out I get it, folks. The White Socks were I
think the first team eliminated from playoff content. They ended
up winting eight of ten. Now you could say, well,
they're playing looser. Now, don't think that just because Atlanta
is thirteen games under the break even and they're not
going to the postseason that they're not going to give

(09:11):
a crap.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
I think also two show not to cut you off.
It's what your organization represents. The Atlanta Braves are a
different type of organization. Atlanta Braves represents winning, they represent effort,
they represent, you know, a strong part of the league.
They're one of the staples in the MLB. I think
as a g as a skipper, as a team, as
a squad, it's just a part of it, Like you

(09:31):
can't afford not to give that effort when you wear
those colors. And I speak highly Abottom because you know,
this is one of my squads. It's the Tigers and
the Braves because of the time I spent as a kid.
You can't just have step or half toe into it.
Now there are other franchises that would be in those
same places, and you know it would be what they
used to call those bird classes. It's a bird course

(09:52):
because you'll fly right through it. Yeah, they will be
bird classes. Yeah, but not the Atlanta Braves.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, not the Braves. I give them a lot of credit.
I remember was but Tony Larus is managing the White Sox.
They're winning the division. At the end of the year,
close to the end of the year, he was telling
anybody who would listen in that Chicago clubhouse, Listen, you
don't have to run these ground balls out. We don't

(10:18):
have to go full boar, we don't go one hundred percent.
We've got this division wrapped up, which I think is
simply asinine. They get to the playoffs and they get
pounded because of the way they were playing down the stretch.
It's an attitude, it's a mentality. I think, you know,
Atlanta's going to come here with a winner's mentality like

(10:39):
they've had over the last five games. I think when
in Detroit knows this, I'm not telling the Tigers or
anybody who is probably a sports fan, a logical sports
fan of anything, they don't know. And then you're into Cleveland.
Who's gonna be playing for something? If it's not the division,
it's a wild card. And then you're at Boston and
if it's not the division, it's a wild card. This
should energize you. If you're a member of the Detroit
Tigers are going to this should energize you because there

(11:02):
are big games to be played now. That makes us
uncomfortable for sure, because you feel like this should have
been wrapped up. They had a fifteen and a half
game lead at one point start of the month, they
were ten and a half free of Cleveland, and now
look at it. It's ridiculous. But the good news about
baseball as you can always turn it around, you know
with a series.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Yeah, baseball is a very interesting sport.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
You talk about the fifteen and a half down to
three and a half and it just happens to play
like that. But time the season is over, it might
be up to you know, what we won by six games.
It's just a weird not maybe six, maybe five and
a half. I think of what they have left, it
just begs one of the different and I keep going
back to it. You see how they played down the
last since they all Star break. You know, you look
at the losses, you look at the wins. They marry

(11:42):
each other. In fact, I want to say they're now
behind in terms of what the schedule is. It just
everything not happening at the right time, like you said yesterday,
just begs one to question like what are we going
to be once the postseason start? And now you know,
depending on what happens, do you lose that home field
advantage which you said doesn't matter. If you can play,
you can play before a team like the Tigers. I

(12:03):
think the home for the Beantas could help them.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I think it's really I believe that, But I think
it's really important to get to buy more than anything else.
You'd like to avoid one of those wild card teams.
If Seattle's a wildcard team, I don't care how you've
played against him during the regular season, things change all right,
and I think the Mariners are a dangerous team. John
Vanderwall played for the Tigers. Uh, he's a friend of mine.
He tweeted this out. The collapse train is gaining steam

(12:29):
now the red hot Braves roll into town. As a
player on the other side, when you've got nothing to
play for, facing a scuffling playoff contender becomes your playoff series.
The intensity rises. It's fun to take them down. This
train's tough to stop. The Tigers need crooked numbers early
and often if they want to derail it. Go Tigers.
Do you believe that as a player is an athlete yourself,

(12:52):
do you believe that that can be your in this
case playoff series? And sometimes your case is your super
Bowl knocking off a team that is close to clinching
a playoff spot.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, it can be, you know, and you set up,
you say, if we can prevent this team from doing this,
it feels good. In two thousand and two thousand and three,
I was a University of Michigan or how State came in.
How State was number two in the country. They beat
us at Michigan at the Big House. They beat us.
They go back to back national Championships and they go
against a USC or whoever one that you're lsu. We

(13:24):
were like, we can stop them from going to national championship.
This meant more to winning I guess the next game
because we lost the USC, but stopping them from going.
I admit everything to us and we stopped them. We
beat them, We blew them out, We stopped them from going.
Like it can be that for you. My biggest thing
with the Tigers too, is who do you trust to
win you a game? Like I think that's what it
comes down to with star players, star power, star offense

(13:47):
in the playoffs to really believe in the team. Who
do you trust? Last year when the Tigers won, it
was a lot of random heroes. Ivanya is one night,
Carry Carpenter one night, Parker Medals, one night, will Vest,
one night for Coke Keith one night. It's a bunch
of individuals that you can't count on consistently. Who do
you have in the Detroit Tigers that you can trust

(14:07):
to win you a game? Like the Cleveland Guardians, let's
just start there. They're trying again into the playoffs. Kwan
can win them a game on the offense about how
he hits the ball. Ramirez can win them a game,
Arius can win them a game. Who on the Tigers
do you trust consistently to say, I know this person
is a Riley Green. Is it Carry Carpenter? Is it Torkles?
Because those are all crust marks.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Who? Do you feel good? It's a really good question
in sports in general, I think very true. You know,
if you're at the end of a basketball game and
Kate Cunningham has the basketball and Saints you feel really good.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
If he's on the bench, if he's heard, if he's
a follow trouble, you probably don't, but you feel really
good about that. If the Lions are marching and they
throw it towards i'man Ross Saint Brown, you feel great. Gucci, right, absolutely, Okay.
If Lucas Raimond is out there with a manned advantage
in the waiting moments, you feel he's gonna bury one.

(15:01):
He's with Larkin, he's with Kane, he's with the Brinket.
You feel really good with the Tigers.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I know the numbers post All Star Break would say otherwise, right,
But I believe in Riley Green. I know I know
people are going, oh my god, he strikes out so much.
I know he has deficiencies, there is no question about that.
I'm not suggesting he's the perfect player. Don't please, please,
don't think that I'm confusing him with the splendid Splinter.

(15:28):
I'm not. I just there are certain guys I trust
in certain situations, and I bet you there's a lot
of people who trust maybe Carry Carpenter, and that's about it.
I tell you one guy who's gaining a lot of
steam in that regard, I think from Tigers fans, and
that's Dylan Dingler. I think there's a lot of people
who like him, not just but behind the plate, but
also at the plate in a big time situation.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, I wonder every Dylan Dingler has been coming.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Along all season long, even though he's a Buck guy.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
It's all good once you leave college ranks. To me, like,
if you're in a space where I can support you,
I will. You know, I played with Nick man Goold
and san Antonio Holmes. Both those guys beat me, and
both those guys won national championships. But when they're in
my teammates say, look, there's nobody I love more. So
I like what Dylan Dingler is done. But you look
at the ops's of the superstars. When I say superstars,

(16:16):
I mean the stars for our team and meet the
All Star Game. You look at their ops is like
two of those guys are under actually three of the
four are under the average for the MLB, Like, and
these are your stars, these are the ones that made
the All Star Game for you deservingly. So now three
to four and then one of them, which is Riley,
is at seven o four, which is not anything necessary
to write home about. Things like those are real concerns. Yeah,

(16:39):
I think the real questions, not concerns real quick.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
So I think you're right. I think you're a hundred
percent right. I think the real hard thing for Tigers
fans to wrap their head around. And you know there's
that old cliche games not played on paper. Yeah, you're right,
which is obvious. I still think everybody thinks the Tigers
have the better roster, and I truly believe that in Cleveland.
How does Cleveland win? And when Boll Naylor and Austin

(17:03):
Hedges are your catchers and both of them can't hit
their way out of a high school lineup, I mean
their numbers are awful.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
You bring up Arius and I get it because he
was big Dude's betten two and a quarter has eleven bombs.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
There's there's two guys on Cleveland who you really trust.
But those two guys are amongst the best at what
they do in all of baseball. And I think the
Tigers are wondering, where is our guy who fits that
same bill? You know what I mean by that other
than school. Yeah, that's that's what they're thinking. So and
as I've mentioned numerous times here, all it takes is

(17:38):
for either Schooble to have a bad night or the
opposing pitcher to be his equal. And we need to
remember this. When you hit the postseason, everybody can in baseball.
You're like, it just doesn't happen during the regular season.
It's an ace against ace. Did anybody watch Max Fried
last night? I know we were watching football. Dude was unbelievable.

(17:59):
Third teen punchouts, Yeah okay, under ninety pitches through seven
and he's still had thirteen punchies. Yeah, okay. Now I
know it's Baltimore. Baltimore's got more talent than Cleveland does.
Tarrek Scuobel throws one hundred two pitches through six innings
with nine punchies.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
I don't buy that because that's like saying, you know,
I know it was the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 8 (18:21):
No.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Fifty two is fifty two, Amen. Thirteen punches is thirteen punches, right, respect.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, so when you match up against the Yankees, would
you give the Tigers the advantage. Yes, because of the
regular season, Yes, because of the postseason history. But when
you got Max Freed against Tarrek School, Max Freed's nasty,
He's got legitimate stuff. He's won eighteen games. I mean,
he's a guy who you could possibly see as a
challenger to schoobl for the American League Sy Young. So

(18:48):
I don't take anything for granted when it comes to
this stuff. And that's why another reason why I think
it's really important that this team get a bye, get
at least the two seed, and see where they go
from there. Let's hope they do well this weekend against
the Atlanta Braves. All Right, we were talking with our
crew before the start, and we should say a happy

(19:08):
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we always talk about our Woodward Sports Network family, but
it kind of extends a little bit there's a lovely
lady who brings us water every day and made a
cake last night after she got home from a wedding,

(19:31):
which I can't figure out. A wedding on a Thursday,
isn't that odd?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Odd?

Speaker 7 (19:36):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't think I've ever heard of that, but they
somebody got married.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Whenever the odd day is always the first thing, first
thing that comes to mind on waiting anyway, is money.
That's exactly what I said. So whenever you hear the
odd days, it's like, ah, somebody was smart, somebody saving some.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Money, because you know what they're doing. They're saving money
on the venue one, they're saving money on the open bar.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Oh the drinks, Okay, get the food and beverage.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yea food and beverage. So if you're mean, if you're
going to the bar and you're getting hammered on a
Thursday night, maybe it took Friday off, but if you
got to wake up the next day, you might have
one or two. Somebody saving some money. Anyway, she went
and she said, you know what, I've got to make
a cake for spending because it's his birthday.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
To moor shout to Lydia.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
So roughly one o'clock in the morning, Lydia is in
her kitchen making a cake. And by the way, the
cake is fantastic. Yeah, I mean it's really good.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
You guys were wearing it out. I had a little
bit of a shrimp salad, but I will have I
will have a slice after this show.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
If there is one left. Because she cut it all up.

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superchats I've got. You know, kool Aid's always reminded me,
and he's doing a really good job of it. Got
to get to those superchats right away. You guys deserve it.
We want to hear your voice. And I'm gonna blame
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We've waited too long to get to the chats. We've
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Speaker 5 (26:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Also, the last time the Tigers lost to the Guardians,
the Tigers went on a winning streak. So he's still
pretty bullish on what these Tigers are going to be.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, they won five in a row last time after
Cleveland swept them. They won five in a row.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
And that's fair too, you know, just to throw it
out there, kind of like you saw in the game
last night, the Dolphins and the Bills. Uh, when you
have arrival, you guys tend to go back and forth
no matter what the game is. A lot of people
expected the Buffalo Bills to win by ninety last night,
and guess what, same one, same and it was a
dog fight for a very long time. I think that's
what happens with the I was almost saying Indians, that's

(27:00):
what happens with the Guardians and the Tigers. This is
what they do. This is like the Lions and the
Minnesota Vikings. If you when you have a rival, when
you have a team that you know, well, they just
can be a band in your existence. Is not a
direct reflection of you versus the rest of the league.
May just be you versus that team.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
When we say rivalry. That's interesting. I don't look at
the Dolphins and Bills' rivals. I know they're in the
same division, right, I don't know if that constitutes rivalries
or not. I just when Josh Allen is now thirteen
to two with forty touchdown passes against Miami and beating
the hell out of them on a regular basis, I

(27:38):
don't know if that's a rivalry, and I know what
people are going to use. No, college is completely different
compared to the NFL.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
I I just don't see that in the rivalry in NFL.
You're absolutely correct. They've been beating the devil out of
them for a very long time. However, there's still close games.
You look at three years ago in the playoffs, Skylet
Thompson legitimate scored thirty points against the Buffalo Bills. Has
nothing to do how many times they beat them, how
many times they continue to beat them. It's what those
games looked like. Yesterday looked like a game. I was like,
what is this team?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
I was surprised Miami played as hard as they did.
I give them credit.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, so it looks like that the Skylar Thomson game. Yeah,
we knew that. The Buffalo Bills are going to win
that game, but they still put up thirty in Buffalo
in the snow. When you say, hey, look this team's
from Miami, it's from Florida. They can't do anything in
the playoffs with their third stream quarterback. It's just something
about defensive coordinators seeing you twice a year. I know
these guys and they dial it.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I can't test coordinator. I can't tell you how many
times I was going to text you last night. But
we do have a Woodwards Sports group. Text that can
be can be entertaining, can be overloaded as well. If
you were part of it, you might understand where I'm
going with it. But when when they when tap in?
And when Yeah, I was, I was just going to

(28:52):
text you and say, there's a couple of things that
I'm noticing here. First of all, I think Josh Allen's
the best quarterback in the league.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Okay, I was.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
He's just so flipping good. And I don't mean because
you know, he flips it ahead and suddenly they get
a touchdown. I just his calmness, his ability to handle
you know, those the live blitzing and the amount of
pressure that sometimes gets to him, and his ability to
wiggle out of there. I'm just amazed by it. And
there's other guys I'm amazed by too, Don't get me wrong.
I just think he's the best. And then to a

(29:22):
tongue of a looa, you talk about a dink and
dunk king. He is it, man, it is all the time.
It seems like and I remember in correct me if
I'm wrong. Here at Alabama, he would go downfield. He's
got good receivers on this team. He seems like it's
checked down Charlie on a regular basis. What am I

(29:43):
missing there with him?

Speaker 5 (29:44):
I think there's two fo I think there's a little
bit too, and I think it's a lot of Mike McDaniels.
What happens is once an NFL team, once NFL has
your blueprint, once they know what that offense is, they
able to make adjustments. When they first came out with
this three years ago, shoot, they put seventy on the
Denver Broncos and you're like, wow, this is a new offense.
This is a new thing. They have Terreek Kill, Jaylen Waddell,
Raheem Moster, David A. Chen, They all these guys are

(30:05):
ran four to three, so you come off with this
different offense and you catch people off guard. You have
to maintain that though, Like the great offensive coordinators, they're
able to take what Mike McDaniel did and keep getting better.
Whether you're Kevin O'Connell, whether you're Sean McVay, whether you've
been Johnson, whether you like it or not, whether you've
been Johnson, you can take what you are good at
and get better and continue that success. I think Mike
McDaniel well the scripts out and I don't think he's

(30:27):
been able to create offenses and have success from that.
And you put two in situations.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
We know what too is.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
When you had that type of success, when you were
creating those motions, when you had that CFL looking type
offense and things that nation, there was so much speed
and you had so many rapid movements in backfield, and
you were switching guys out every two players in the backfield.
That keeps teams off balance, It keeps them out of
their comfort zone. Now the backfield doesn't look as good,
even though Devin ed Change is a really good guy.

(30:54):
They don't run the ball the same they did. They
used to run between the middle of the tackles as well,
like Tarik Hill. It used to not look forced when
they got him down the field. Now it looks forced.
Now every time they throw the ball down the field
to him, it's two guys he's got to jump over.
I'm sorry. I've seen him make some plays as a
smaller wide receiver, being able to jump up vertical hands.
You can't do that every time with a wide receiver
that's five nine like, that's just not sustainable. Jay Lowanod

(31:16):
disappears for two, three four games. They have no tight
end presence. I don't know how Mike Gasiki didn't work
down there three years ago. Mike Sicki's a damn get
tight end.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
He's pretty good for Cince.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
He would fit that. They don't have tight end play,
and I think that's what's starting to kill them. That's
what's starting to affect them. And Mike McDaniel. When you
see him at the podium, when you see him after games,
his rhetoric, he looks like an individual that it's been
over the game last week, not this one. The game
last week. This game makes I don't know how this
happened after that game because they started off well, he

(31:47):
legitimately says in the presser. He says this. He says, well,
you know, to win games, you know, you go out
there and win games, and that's how you win games.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Like what he smoking.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
I don't think he smoke anything. I think the experiments.
I think the experiment that worked for them in that
favor in the beginning is now not working.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Dude, I'm so uncomfortable when he's a podium. You can
tell that he's That's what I wanted to text you
last night, okay, but it was probably early this morning.
I am this is comfortable with him at the podium.
I can't imagine him addressing the team. I'm picturing you
in your sweat, okay, looking at him while he's trying
to motivate you, and you're going, man, what time is practice?

Speaker 5 (32:32):
No, not even practice? What time is it over? So
I can get home? One of the biggest things. And
this this is once again when I say things, this
is my own opinion. This is what I'm drawing from.
This is nothing I read. So this is not hard news.
He had an alcohol problem. He had an alcohol problem
before he became a head coach. Before he had an

(32:53):
alcohol alcohol problem that he got corrected. He took the
steps he did all the things and now he's sober.
He looks like a guy at the microphone that wants
to drink. He looks like a guy that's at the microphone, like, damn,
I was the only way to solve this problem.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Is that he makes a lot of Dolphins fans want
to drink.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
But it looks like there's more. Like he doesn't just
look like a quarterback. We've seen Dan at the podium
year one, year two, or you're like, man, things are tough,
but Dan just had the coach be he's got the hat. Well, guys,
you know it's that's Dan. It's like a coach.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
You feel like it's real with it.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
Yes, Like Mike McDaniel feels like he's he's a second
away from a bender. Yeah, he's a second away from Ven.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Not trying to be a butthole, but no, and he
feels like it's it's almost I need I need a teleprom.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Something crazy is coming behind all these losses. What it
feels like. It feels like two, three, four more losses.
It might not just be a coach that gets fired.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
It doesn't help him at all when you know this
is unfair. But I'm gonna say it. Anyway, when you're
wearing those tight pants that hug your ankles, you know
what are they called?

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Ok yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Just got a mighty look like a look like a
football coach, look like a dude, and you might be
able to get away with it every once in a while.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
He looked like a dude though he's five he's all
of five six.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Okay's Julian Element's five six.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
He's a football dude.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, this guy's supposed to be a football dude.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
It no, he's no, he's an analyst. That's a football coach.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
Mike, Mike McDaniels looks like uh me rolling into class
after a Tuesday night going out on two dollars Tuesday
and you.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Went to the side.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah. It's difference is you look like your pump a
little iron.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
You know what it is? So anytime I see this
and this is not like a regurgitated guy who McDaniel show, Look,
it's probably unfair. This is not a regurgitated guy where
you're like, Okay, Mike McCarthy didn't work out in Dallas
or whatever. I want to know how he walked into
the into the interview process and somebody sat down and

(35:02):
like after he left. I think we got our guy.
That's what I want to know. How do you look
at that and go, hey, man kool aid you good? Okay?
Braylin good, Okay, Ryan good? This is Can somebody drop
the Kathy, can we drop the contract please?

Speaker 5 (35:16):
This is this is how he got the job. This
is how he got the job. Excuse me, god, do
you remember what happened at the time with the Dolphins
and their current head coach at the time was Brian Flores.
All that BS is going on with Floors, Stephen Ross,
and Tom Brady. So now booms Brian Flores, he's fired.
You're looking for a new coach. Everybody wants to get
a coach off of a tree. You want to get

(35:36):
a coach off the offensive tree Belichick for You want
to get the next genius. Well all the Sean McVay
you know, is I can't get any of these guys.
But here's an offensive coordinator with the forty nine ers
who's under Kyle Shanahan. Hmm, Hire that guy. Don't care
about the other stuff, don't care about any of it.
Hire that guy. He's the next one. This is gonna

(35:58):
be our guy they hire. And this is what you have.
Mike McDaniel. Once this project does not work, will never
get another head coach job.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
In the NFL, but he will get an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
And deservingly so. Everybody can't be Everybody can't be a
head coach. That's right, everybody can't do that. You can
be really great in the quarter. He just may not
be one of those guys. Any quick, I told you
my Romeo Crenells situation. H it's an amazing defensive mind.
Jim Schwartz, he's still doing it.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Jim Schwartz is a great example because he's a really
good defensive coordinator.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Steve Spagnola is a good example. Okay, he's just not
a head coach. And sometimes Vick vic Fangio, Vic Fangio, Right.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Some people just just dialed into this is what I'm
going to do. And usually on the defensive side of
the ball. I'm not making a stereotype. I'm telling you
the truth. Usually on the defensive side of Dick Lebow
coached after playing for the Lions in the forties, dicklebo
goes for sixty years. Yes, because I love defense, I
love being a coordinator. I understand this aspect and I
can be great at this. Some people need to stick to.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Being great and those guys who do. Phil Parker has
another really good example collegiate level. That's Josh McDaniels. Not
a fan at all. Okay, didn't make it with the Broncos,
didn't make it with the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
But you know what, he's Brady. He helped you out.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, he's a good offensive coordinator, isn't he. He's helping
Drake May, He's helping New England right now. You would think,
so those are good examples. I really do. I think
those are really good examples. Somebody had somebody had put
some pretty funny stuff in the chat, okay, and I
love hearing it that. Oh man, I just lost it.

(37:36):
My apologies, moving man, it is it is. It's moving
a lot. We'll try to get to that coming up.
A lot of it is, oh a lot of it's
going to be against with the Lions and the Ravens.
Hoodhearted said, real talk through the Ravens could score forty
on the Lions. We have zero clue how Sheep's defense

(37:57):
will do against a mobile quarterback Kelvin Shepherds. I assume
Kelvin Sheppard's defense against a mobile quarterback. Caleb Williams is
pretty mobile. He's he's not Lamar Jackson. Nobody's Lamar Jackson. Okay,
it's Lamar Jackson up here and everybody else down here.
And by the way, Lamar Jackson to his credit, because
I wasn't a huge fan coming out of Louisville because

(38:20):
of his passing ability, that's son of a gun. Can
he can spin it? Number one? He's always had a
strong arm, but he's been really good over the last
few years. Really good credit where credits. You gotta be
willing to call yourself out. I don't know how the
defense is gonna do either, but stop of the mobile
quarterback stuff. It's not like Jordan Love is super fast,
but he's mobile. Caleb Williams is mobile. So we'll see

(38:43):
what happens against Lamar Jackson. There aren't many defenses who
stop Lamar Jackson. You need turnovers in this game if
you're Detroit and you want to win. We'll get more
into that in a little bit.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
I'm gonna say two things. I'm gonna say thing one.
Lamar Jackson, exactly what you said, is not a mobile quarterback.
He is way above that. Like he is a different
type of breed. You cannot prepare for him. In terms
of mobile quarterback. It's not about well, we'll do this
and we'll go out here and then we'll spot know him.
Josh Allen, Mike Vick like these type Jayden Daniels last season.
These type of quarterbacks are very different. And they also

(39:17):
especially the last two, they can pass the ball as well.
So it's not just a mobile quarterback. First of all,
he's the elite now shep. Don't you dare mention Cayleb
Williams and Jordan Love when you talk about mobile quarterbacks
in the Grand Scheme comparing to Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
But but I didn't say they were Lamar Jackson. But
you tell me they're not mobile. Caleb Williams is.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Mobile, understood, But then you mentioned two guys. You didn't
have no mention, no business mentioning because Lamar Jackson, Lamar
Jackson and Josh Allen are here.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
That's what I said. Yeah, they're way up part.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
But then you mentioned two mobile ones but they're not.
But they are mobile, but they're playing Lamar. So it
has nothing to do with Caleb and what they are.
Lamar is different.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
But the chat was how are they going to handle
a mobile quarterback? Not how they're going to handle Lamar Jackson.
We haven't seen what Shep's defense, not me what Kelvin
Shepherd's defense can do against a mobile quarterback. All I'm
saying is they have faced and I don't think Jordan
Love is super mobile. I think there's a little misnomer

(40:15):
when it comes to quarterbacks running quarterbacks. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Jalen Hurts. Those guys are running quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
Mobile quarterbacks will have their ability to get outside the
pocket if so need.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah. Patrick Patrick Mahomes obviously is Justin Herbert in a mobile.
I think he's a mobile quarterback, but I don't think
he's a running quarter I think there are two different things.
I think Caleb Williams is a running quarterback, not as
good as those names we just mentioned. And I think
Jordan Love is a mobile quarterback but not a running quarterback.
Is that a fair assessment.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
The running quarterback can run just as good as he
can pass, and so the mobile quarterback looks to pass
and if he can run, if he has to run,
he will run.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes those guys scare the
crap out of DC's because Jen and Jalen, because they
although Jaylen is not as good a passer as those
other ones. Fair, but those guys scare the crap out
of DC's because they can do both and they are
so unpredictable. Last night you saw Miami's defense. Josh Allen

(41:19):
didn't throw for a lot of yards, two hundred and
fifteen yards.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
He didn't run for a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
He didn't run for a lot. Guess what Lamar Jackson
last week? He only threw for two hundred and fourteen yards,
threw for two touchdowns, ran for two touchdowns. Scares keeps
DC's up at night because of their doability.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Here's a little something about Lamar Jackson. In those twenty four,
twenty four and two games, he is over the NFC
in those games fourteen those games, he has fifty more
yards rustling in those games. He's thirty seven and seven
in those games as well, thirty seven touchdowns, seven interceptions.
It's just he understands, when you see me once every

(41:56):
three four years, you don't know who the hell I am.
And that's what Baltimore plays.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
How do you practice against it? You can't have anybody
to practice against it.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Legitimately, the Detroit Lions would have to have Jamison Williams
be the quarterback and scout team this week to emulate
what Lamar jacks Yeah, laughing, that's the truth. That's what
they would have to do to emulate what Lamar Jackson is.
It's tough, and that he's gotten this better at passing
his passing official so yesterday the QBR, he's now tied
Aaron Rodgers for the best of all best of all

(42:26):
time in terms of QBR he can pass. He's been
beating people with the past.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, I know, I think he's got I think he's
had seventy one touchdowns to eleven picks over the last
few years.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Twelve hundred more yards and Josh Allen last year too.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
That's incredible, it really is.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
And that's why I wound up chuckling when you said
we're gonna have to put Jamo out there, because the
last thing I remember about him passing as an interception,
whereas Lamar Jackson is so much more high IQ player.
The same ways that I do believe the IQ is
something underrated. When people talk about who Jared Golf is
as a quarterback. I think that that's the same thing
with Lamar Jackson's. He's a very good passer who will

(43:02):
pick apart your defense and where he sees the seams
and decreases in the openings possible to run through your defense.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
He will do that too.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
And the thing is, we just haven't seen him broken either.
The passive thing as well. Lamar Jackson, he just hasn't
gotten broken yet. And that's the thing. He's someone cut
from that same identity that we've heard Dan Campbell say
his Detroit Lions will be.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
And I appreciate that comment because that's where I was going.
So I'll just piggyback off of what my guy Kol
said because it was a genius comment. It's the adversity
that he's dealt with. When you look at guys like
Lamar Jackson and all they deal with. Starting at Louisville.
What you can't do, who you're not gonna be? Oh
you can't what you're not gonna start, You can't win
the Heisman?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah, I do it in year two, you know, and
I'll come back. I have better numbers in year three
and really could have won the Heisman, and that his
his junior or was better than the sophomore year. It's
typically how it happens. But then you can't get drafted
in the top ten. You're not that good. You wanna
be a quarterback, here's thirty two and here's what he's
doing later. Same with Josh Allen. You can't be this guy.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Say nobody Josh Allen comeing out of one.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
But that's I'm saying that's what makes them so difficult
because it's what kool Ai said. They find ways to
overcome and keep going and winning. Jalen Hurts, Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Those guys just find with a certain extent, Pat Mahomes,
that's what.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
It was out on Pat Mahomes in terms of the
Scotlandport is like, yeah, he makes plays, but too much
hero ball is not the guys you want to draft.
That's what was out on him and that's why he
went thirteen.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, so I think you find that's I love that
about athletics and sports in general. I love it because
you find so many of those stories where people just
certain people don't believe in others. Those people, Yeah, and
you know they use that as inspiration. I'm not saying
that they put it at their locker every single time.

(44:42):
But they use it as inspiration and some people do.
Jalen hurts, Yeah, it's great. I mean I've I've said
the story it naws him. With Marrifield did that, you know,
people just didn't. There's people who didn't believe in him.
He's just like, you know what, I'm gonna prove you wrong.
And by Gull he did man. And I think it's
I love those stories.

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Speaker 1 (52:21):
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Speaker 2 (52:22):
The one thing I don't think I'm wrong with is
the franchise I think is the most overrated franchise in sports.
You me, Neil and Terry were having a conversation while
we were eating some of that really good cake and
we were talking about franchises and who is the most overrated?
I too come to mind for me. Terry Foster agreed

(52:45):
with me on one I disagreed with him on another.
So I would like to know who you guys consider
to be the most overrated franchises in history. I'll give
you mine first, so you don't think I'm steeling.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
I got mine circle mind, just in case happens to
be the same.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I've said this at nauseum forever, but I continue to
say it. This is a team that's last championship was
nineteen seventy three. It's the New York Knicks. I think
they're the most I think they're the most overrated franchise
in sports. Now. There are certain Joe Hollywood would go crazy,
but he's not here, and I would still reiterate it.

(53:22):
The other and I'm not trying to pick on one city.
The other is the New York Mets. The New York
Mets have two World Series titles. Okay, in nineteen sixty
nine and nineteen eighty six, they've won five Pennants. That's it.
And it's a team that you know. We It bothers
me that the Tigers have a one since eighty four.
They're not viewed outside of the state of Michigan, as

(53:46):
you know. One of those elite franchise. The New York
Mets have the second highest payroll. They're twelve game backs
of twelve games back in Philadelphia right now. They try
to buy their way into that conversation, and for some
reason or another, they can't seem to get it done.
The two most overrated franchises I believe in sports both

(54:07):
reside in New York. One is the Knicks, one is
the Mets. Who else has something different?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Football? You're not even close. You're not even close.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I didn't I didn't mention a football team.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
I was so excited about my team. I was so excited.
You kept saying New York, so I thought you were Giants.
You did say Mets, and then you did say Nicks.
For me, it's easy. It's a team that's in our division,
and I'm so sick and tired of hearing about the same.
This one ring you won in nineteen eighty five, this
one ring, thank you five. You won one super Bowl,

(54:43):
one super Bowl for the Chicago Bears. And mind you,
you did it with the monsters of the Midway. You
did it with the greatest defense of all time. You
can argue about it, but let me just for this conversation,
the greatest defense of all time. Great names, notable names.
On the other side, you had the greatest running back
of all time at that particular time. We know who
it is now, Chicago Bears. Look ever since eighty five,

(55:04):
you got ten, ten or more win seasons. That's it.
You've ben one Super Bowl appearance since then. But you
would think the city of Chicago has won four Super Bowls.
You would think the city of Chicago has even done
with the Seattle Seahawks have done.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
You haven't. You just have not.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
You can't figure it out the quarterback position. Every year
we give you or not every year, but every new draft,
whether it's four years, whether it's seven years, there's a
new guy who's gonna turn your franchise around. He'll be
the first guy to throw for four thousand yards. Guess what,
still waiting? Still waiting? For that generational guy. It's the
Chicago Bears. They have done more with one championships than

(55:40):
teams that have three, then teams that have five, the
teams that have seven. Obviously I go to go different
sports for that. I just can't understand. And I lived
in Chicago, you would think they they turned it or not.
I wasn't even a Detroit Lions fan at the time.
I was living in Chicago. They turning those up the Lions.
I'm like, let me ask you this, what if y'all done.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
You're good? I'm so mad at my well done overrated
more overrated.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
It is the Chicago Bears. You would think they have
like they're like the Knicks. For as much as you
think about the Knicks two.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Championship, Yeah, yeah, No, I mean Bears. When when your
greatest quarterback played from nineteen thirty nine to whatever, then
you've got a problem when when you're you're bragging about,
you know, eight championships, but all prior to the Super Bowl,
and like you said, the one Super Bowl. They they
have ridden nineteen eighty five for a long time. And

(56:39):
there's a lot of people, including yours truly, who have
been guilty of it because it's still the best defense
I think I've ever seen. So you're one hundred percent right,
that's a good one. I think the iconic names associated
with them help them, right.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
So you mentioned names are just like some greats, Like
we have greats here in Detroit. Every city has grace.
Their greats are like the best of all time. They're
great in that in that conversation Mike Singletary, Grays of
all time, Richard Dent, maybe not in that conversation, but
when you put them with that defense and Mike Singletary,
it gets brought up herschel Walker the greatest running back

(57:12):
of all time, and a lot of people so argue
that he is, and I have no problem with that.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
You're right, Yeah, herschel Walker never played for them though
not the hirschel Walker Washington Payton.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
And then the coach Mike Dicka, who was not only
and that's the other Mike Dicker is not only the
coach that won the Super Bowl, he's also the player
that was the best tight end of all time, you know,
for his er, for his time.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
So he learned under Tom Landry a little bits really
good with Dick Buckis. Yeah, Gail Series as they mentioned
a lot of iconic things associated with it.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
Soldiers.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
We were just talking about coordinators who are really good
coordinator couldn't be head coaches. Buddy Ryan's really played for
his five. I played for his son Rex. That's right,
all right, kool Aid, who's the most overrated friend? That's
a really good one. Most overrated French fifty two in
your name fifty two.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
And this is just for me from my era, and
it's there on the back wall. It is the Dallas Cowboys.
I get what they have been in yesteryear. I get
the thing is that my dad was attracted to. But
for me and for everything I've seen of this America's team,
I haven't really seen anything. And then the way that
Chirp had obviously my Lions, that contributes to it as well.

(58:20):
But I gotta go with the Dallas Cowboys, who I
believe they just think that there's something that they're not
the last thing we've heard of them was complaining about
the sun in their own arena. Bro, I gotta go
with the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, okay, I mean five super Bowls is I think,
at least for me hard to get by.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Can I say something about Jerry Jones real quick that
I didn't pay attention to until watch the show. When
you watch the show on the Dallas Cowboys, if you're
not as versed as Shep, because I guaranteed Shep knew
this information. I didn't know that he played at Arkansas.
I forget or I've forgotten played at Arkansas, played with
Jimmy at Arkansas. I guess who was the coach? You
guess the Bear switzerworld was on the staff. They win
the national championship, Like Jerry Jones, it makes sense to

(59:00):
who he is. Jerry Jones wants to be the head
coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Even though I knew that
part of it. Now understand he's been in the locker room,
he's been on the football team. He's won a national championship. Jerry,
he's one of the Super Bowls on He really thinks
he's the coach. That's what he's always wanted to be
and that's where the medalsom. Like once he went away
from Jimmy, who was that guy, Once he went away

(59:23):
from Barry who was good enough to handle that team,
that was amazing. Once it started be coming about what
I want to be the head coach, so I'll start
hiring less than head coaches. That's what it is. That's
why Brian Schottenheimer is the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
You said that before the season even began. Yes, but
how is that any different than Mark Cuban.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
It's not. Okay, but I think Mark's never what did
Mark win in college?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Smartest dude? Because he's a billionaire.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
I don't know. I get that, but I'm saying Mark, no, no, no, no,
I'm saying like Mark didn't play, and which makes it worse. Well, true,
he's just a fan boy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Like that makes it worse.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
It does, But when you're a fanboy, I can get
out the way and provide teams with it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
He didn't get out of the way.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
He did in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
All he did he sits behind the bench, he walks
up the players while the game, during the time out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
But he created something. He created something out of being
a fan boy, and they won the title. Okay, and
went twice.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
You've put me in a really bad spot because you're
about to defend him. Yeah, I'm about to defend this guy,
and I don't want to defend him, but I'm like
this dude put his coach Jimmy Johnson Mary Switzer in
the same spot and he was on the side of
and he won multiple championships. He did, but he's not
a fan boy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Because he understood it from a players standpoint. He understood
it from a coaching standpoint. He has more involvement in
the sport than Mark Cuban. Mark Cuba was a true
fanboy that built the dynasty and want not a dynasty.
I'm so sorry, disrespect, disrespect, disrespect. Well he beat it
a dynasty, but no, he built that as a fanboy.
To me, I understand him more as a fanboy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I can get you don't understand him more because you
were a player at the highest level and this guy
recognized when it came off his job.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
Saying paddle board. But what I'm saying is I want
to ask someone like I understand someone like Mark Cuban
messing it up more than somebody like Jerry Jones that's
won a national championship. Understand structure. Hire Jimmy Jones, Hire
Barry Switzer. He messed it up. He shouldn't be the
one to mess up it should be the fan boy,
because a fan boy should want to you know, infuse
itself more into it. Mark Cuban was able to say,

(01:01:28):
you know what, Dirk you got. I'm get out the way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
I can relate to Mark Cuban more than get Jerry
Jones yesterday he tells the story or he's out of bed.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Drinking and yeah the hell two days can be true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Get the sights of that. Yadu, Hey, I told.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
You I wanted to play. I told you I want
to play that to understood sponsorship dollars. But if you're
talking about like Jerry Jones should have got it right,
like it would make more sense for Mark Cuban to
have what the Dallas Cowboys have been in the last
thirty years than a Jerry Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Okay, I don't I don't follow that logic.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
But Mark Cuban didn't fire Rick Carlisle.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
What does that have to do with it?

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Because Jerry he fired Jimmy Johnson because it was all
about him. He fired Barris. I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I can't stand him because of that. In fairness, he
brought it in a guy and won another championship.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Bud.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Mark Cuban may not have fired Rick car I'd like
to know who did that, Okay, okay, and did they
win a championship? No, no disrespect, Go ahead and look
at that team and inherited. Listen, crack cocaine and all
I know. Listen, you and I both know there can
be a lot of really high end teams with an

(01:02:41):
unbelievable amount of talent and they not win it all. Okay,
your Atlanta Braves is a really good example of that.
He kept getting You would think you would have thought
they were gonna win more than one championship. Buffalo Bills, Okay,
Buffalo Bills. That just because you got a lot of
talent doesn't mean you can coach him. I agree with you,
by the way, but because they got a lot of
talent just to mean you can coach Hi?

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I would disagree with Dallas being overrated. I don't like
him period, But when you win five titles, even recently,
and I know they didn't get to where this was,
they still won division titles. Okay, they still won twelve
games in a row, three years in a row, I
don't think they're necessarily overrated. But t Foss does agree
with kol it Ryan. Who do you got?

Speaker 7 (01:03:23):
So you guys all took mine? So I was gonna
say the Bears I've been Hey, Braylan, thank you. I'm
going to send that clip to my Chicago Bears friends
because I've been telling them that for years. He's right, yeah, yes,
the same thing. Braylan's been saying. That's what I've been
saying for like five years.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
So thank you, Bro. I'm outside of Mike Dicke, like
real talking you, like outside of Mike Dicky. If you
ask anybody outside of the metropolitan Chicago area who has
won head coach for the Chicago Bears in the last
forty years, they wouldn't know it. Lovely Smith will be
the only one. They might sneak and get it right.
For a story franchise. For you to tell me, I
know one coach for I forgot it was a coat.

(01:04:03):
It was last year, forty years one coach. Get honest.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You could say that about some other franchises. I mean,
how many people have the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Story franchises I can give you for you to claim
what you are. You say stealers, I can give you
a quick four. Oh yeah, you said forty nine ers.
I'll give you a quick four. You said even Green Bay,
I give you a quick four.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Eagles go tight four, I give you a quick.

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
Four, even though the Chiefs are starting their dancy. Now
I go back to Hankstern, Samartickle.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Okay, so Ryan, who do you got that?

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
And then you took the Knicks from me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
But I'm gonna go this hol hold on, I didn't
take the knicks from you. I've said the Knicks forever.
I'm not stealing off.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
I had the Knicks and the Berris is my main too.

Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
But if your last title and last title appearance game
comes in nineteen sixty seven, I know thirteen Stanley Cuffs,
but the Toronto maple Leae. You're telling me that your
last title appearance.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Sean Allegiance gonna Yeah, I'm not kidding you. He will
punch you in any organ on your body.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
Right now, I'll send.

Speaker 7 (01:05:07):
But when your last title last appearance was when my
parents weren't even born, come on, man, thirteen titles. I
can respect thirteen titles, but that was years and years
and years ago. I mean, come on, like that's a
little overrated.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
I'm not gonna poke holes in any theory because it's Friday,
and that was a beautiful pool, considering we both stole
two really good ones from me, so no holes in
the theory. The only difference is nobody expects Toronto to
do crap like every year. It's like it's now become
like a running joke, Like it's like, oh, is this
the year. It's even though they did last year. I
think they got their first win in however, in the years,
but it's like the running joke. Nobody expects them even

(01:05:46):
though they got one of the best players that's played
in twenty five years in Austin Matthews. They do not
expect the Maple League to do much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
It's like a hope that is true.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
It's like a hope versus of like, and I'm gonna
tell you another thing, why the Toronto may believes are
gonna win this year. It's kind of like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
The second round? Are there are if somebody else had
this conversation on Woodward Sports only in a different city,
that they would be using Detroit as an example in
any of this part of the conversation. You know what
that sport is, Well, the Lions aren't even part of

(01:06:24):
it exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
It's the same team. And kool Aid is looking at
me sideways right now because I can I can feel
the heat off my right side because kool Ai is
staring at me. This is the Detroit Pistons. The Pistons
would be the team. Nastally, if you look at the
Detroit landscape and you say which one of your teams
is overrated, it would be the Pistons because people will
start hating on going to work Pistons. They haven't done

(01:06:49):
anything in the last twenty years, the same things that
we feel as fans, but we disagree on being overrated.
I guarantee it be the Pistol.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Look, man, I'm gonna hurt my own soul here and
hopefully make sprit. But not even I can deny that
it would. It would have to be the Pistons.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Like I know what I hold on to.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
But when there are generations on generations of people who
are like what team, who like more disconnected from the
going to work tre.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I'm gonna disagree with both of you going when you
have when you have iconic players and when you have
specific I don't mean the going to work pa and Okay,
with all due respect, Okay, and I know that's your generation,
you love them. But when you have an iconic player
and you have a team that over a certain period

(01:07:36):
of time three years extended was among the best, and
in two back to back years was the best. And
I would argue even the eighty eight team was better
than the eighty nine team and better than the ninety team,
but I would be proven wrong because they didn't win
the championship. I don't think you could say people recognize.
I think, like we were talking about with your example,

(01:07:57):
the Bears, that defense been a long time, they've only
got one. That team did it more than once with
the city for the most part, the same guys, and
I think that's where it gives them a little bit
of a break. I think the one team that was
not mentioned, which surprises me a little bit, I left
it off the list because, you know, I thought maybe
somebody else might. I was gonna say the Cubs. Now

(01:08:18):
we're picking on New York and we're picking on Chicago
a little bit here with all the respects, and I
think I would say I would have said the Red
Sox if not for their recent run in which they've
won I you know, four championships or maybe more than that.
They're they've been they've been tough to beat. But the Cubs,

(01:08:38):
because of the aura of Wrigley Field and the IVY
and old style beer and all kinds of stuff that
they they are so enamored with the Chicago Cubs that
everybody thinks because they're National network and all that they
can do no wrong. And I think it's I think

(01:08:58):
it's a bunch of bull craft. There are so many
baseball franchises that are better than the Chicago Cubs. And
there are three titles, and granted no seven. I think
they have seventeen National League pennants, which is pretty impressive,
but they only have one, I believe since nineteen forty.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Five, one sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
That was twenty sixteen, right, I was asking when they
won the World Series their last World Series, you know,
and kudos to them, they won it more recently than
the Tigers have. But they have one pennant since nineteen
forty five, which, by the way, they lost to the
Tigers in the World Series. That's it, and they've got
three World Series. Come on, man, if it's not for

(01:09:47):
their building, and it's not for a lovable drunk in
the broadcast booth, what serious? Well, seriously, what are you
talking about? I'm serious, yeah, Harry Carrett, and I try
to broadcaster, don't get me wrong. I mean, lasted his
job a hell of a lot longer than I did.
And he drank during games. I mean, this was Major League,
literally in real life, with Bob Uker drinking Jack Daniels

(01:10:10):
in Major League the.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
Movie Pharaoh used to kill Harry carry his skin on
Saturday Night. Yeah, the funniest thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Funny, funny, you know what.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
The chat. They got an interesting one here too, John
Effing Lord Tribe. I'm seeing Vincent e. They're all saying
the vikings. They say, hey, look, Vincent's last Super Bowl
appearance was nineteen seventy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Yeah, back to back.

Speaker 6 (01:10:31):
And I'm seeing that too.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
The whole state.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
They're saying, you can just talk to the whole state
and there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
That's interesting. But I didn't look at it like that,
and I probably should have. I mean, I think I
look back and it's it's unfair, h but I look
at we all focus on our childhood, right when when
you've got Jim Marshall, and you've got Alan Paide Purple
people eating, and you've got Matt Blair and I can
name every single one of those guys, and Frank Tarkenton,
who you could argue was the best quarterback of the

(01:10:57):
seventies him and Roger Staubach. I guess I didn't look
at Yeah, they went they're old for foreign super Bowls
talking to old for three Maybe they're right now.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
But here's it. But here's the question though, because just
just my understanding of what over ready means to me,
it's the same thing I said with the Toronto Maple Leafs,
Like no one expected Toronto Maple Leaves to get out
of the first round every year, no matter what their
record is, no matter how many points. Austin Matthews, Minnesota,
and it's the same thing with the Minnesota Vikings, like
you do not know. You're not worried about the Minnesota Vikings,

(01:11:26):
So they're not overrated. Their team is gonna play good
regular season ball, probably gonna make the playoffs, and they're
gonna get smacked no matter who they played. They lost
to the Giants and Daniel Jones that's your last playoff
of pit. Well, I guess they lost last year as well,
But you're not worried about them. Even the year they
had the miracles. The reason why you call something the
miracles because you weren't supposed to be there exactly. They

(01:11:46):
had the miracles case Keenan was a quarterback. Like, that's
the funniest thing. That's why I keep saying it. Everybody
assumes that was Kirk Cousins. No ladies, gentlemen, it was
case keen The Minnesota Vikings. They broke my heart. Maybe
that's why I'm pissed off too, because in ninety eight
there was a young wide receiver that fell in love
with Randy Moss and fell in love with Randall Cunningham.
With his comeback player to year performance going fifteen to one,

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I still cannot believe Gary Anderson, who's perfect for the season,
missed that field goal and then they lose to another
Anderson more than Anderson in the state. So that that
right there, it broke my heart. But outside of that performance,
that was the one year where you're like, Minnesota's gonna
go all the way Chris Carter, Randy Moss, Robert Smith

(01:12:30):
from Ohio State, and they didn't happen. Outside of Minnesota,
Vikings are going to get beat. This is what we feel.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
I think the best part of that answer is what
is it? In order for you to be overrated, you
have to be rated properly in the first place, and
the Vikings are one of those teams where you just
kind of shrig your shoulders.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
Who is a what is a college football program that
you find overrated?

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
Ah, it's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Here it comes.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
First of all, I'd be damned if I said it
on air. Used to be that program, which we can
talk about off air currently right now. Notre Dame.

Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
I know it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
I know it, yes, because before we won the championship
in twenty three, I would not have said it on
air because go Blue. But if somebody has said it,
I wouldn't have argued. I would have argued we won
the championship. In the last four years, you can't say
already with Notre Dame, it's consistently you never think they're
gonna win. They've been in two national championship, They've been

(01:13:32):
to five playoffs. When's the time that you was like,
this is it last year they made it to the
NAST champions Did you think they're gonna be our of State?

Speaker 8 (01:13:39):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Did you think they're gonna be Alabama twenty twelve with
my Tito?

Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Like when if you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
So, that's the definition of overrated because they shoved the
team down your throat. They got the Golden domes. They're
gonna win ten eleven games. I like Marcus Freeman as
a head coach, but for all of the production, for
all of the production, this is the most story team
in college football. Where's the payoff? Where's the payoff? Was
it Charlie Wise?

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Was it? Was it?

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
Brian Kelly? Is it gonna be Marcus Freeman?

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Tyrone William? Would you say? Penn State Davies? That's another one.
But I think they're like a tweener. I think they're
like a Notre Dame slash Toronto maple Leaves, whereas like
nobody believes James Franklin, but every year them down on
our proverbial throat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Okay, let's let's play devil advocate Notre Dames.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
Definitely. Oklahoma's up there too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
The devil's advocate is this, you're Alma mater. They had
to win twenty three, but I just.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
But you go win.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
You get steam trucked by TCU for crying out all
right that? What were people saying after that? You guys
going and getting blanked by Alabama? I mean, there's some
tough ways to handle what Michigan had to go through
before they got to twenty twenty three and they're the
winning this program of all time.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
Yeah, don't, I don't. I don't recall.

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
All.

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
I recall is twenty twenty three and the four in
a row over Ohio State.

Speaker 9 (01:15:17):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
But but to your point, if you're gonna have that conversation,
like Michigan was in, we were in jeopardy. We were
in a space and where you have the conversation. Not
only did we lose to House State a bunch of
times in a row, it wasn't even competitive football for
a while. We couldn't win big games. We couldn't win
top ten games, we couldn't win on the road. Hell,
we didn't win in bowl games. So yes, like the

(01:15:39):
answer would have been that, but keyword has been we're
talking about the president.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
The president is the last national championship Notre Dame one
was what nineteen eighty eight, eighty eight, eighty eight. So
they claimed to have eleven.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
I love the word claims. UF claims to have not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Yeah, with twenty seven claims. Princeton claims to have eight
the most. If I'm an alma mater there, I'm claiming
that too. I have no problem with that. It's been
a long time, though, and I do I think I
think you're right about this. Now, I've one of my
good dear friends, one of my best buddies. He played
catcher at Notre Dame. I can't even begin to tell

(01:16:17):
you the conversations I have with him about Notre Dame.
It is a constant. You know what, We don't do
that at Notre Dame. We don't have this available at
Notre Dame. There are times where I literally have to say,
all right, enough is enough? You have all that and
then some at Notre Dame. And by the way, because
your team has started the way they've started, and because

(01:16:37):
your team has chosen not to join a conference, you
don't get into that playoff. Oh well, dude, that's what
you get.

Speaker 7 (01:16:45):
There.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Now. This used to be my favorite team outside of
Michigan in terms of the allora of it. And you
see how I'm kinda I'm kind of showing you where
I'm going. Florida State has won two national championships since
in total. Are then overrated Team twenty thirteen?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Think they're viewed they used to be under Bobby Bowden.
I don't think they're What I mean by that is
they viewed they were viewed as a powerhouse.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
He only won one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Yeah, I don't think they're viewed as that anylong.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
Okay, that's fair, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I think you guys tell me what your pulse is
on this, and the chat can too. When I think
of college powerhouses now in the SEC, we think of Bama,
we think of Georgia.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
We overrated Georgia, Georgia. I was gonna ask you that
Georgia overrated Texas. Georgia in totality overrated outside of herschel
Walker in his last three four years. What is Georgia
in that middle? Because nobody was scared of Georgia when
I was in college. Nobody was scared of Georgia in
the nineties, Nobody was scared of Georgian in the two thousands.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Yeah. They've had some really good college players, Okay, Like
Eric Zayer was a really good quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
They had a forty years around.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Went to school there. They've had some really good play
forty year Drought, Okay, Black Bowers is a really good player.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
Great player. Forty years Drought has a program though, like
Notre Dame has a bunch of a good players. Yeah,
going to the league. Joe is balling. Yeah, but they're overrated.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Look, I'll give you credit because you were willing to
say before twenty twenty three conversation, so I'll buy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
Okay, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I appreciate that very much. Florida State used to be
a team that Holy crap, watch out for them. I
don't think they're that anyone.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
You're ready for as Andahoe you've.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Got another one man. First, you're pulling out like four
eight first.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
First of all, this one I'm using this is a
walk off. This is a walk off.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Okay, we're gonnahit a break. You can walk right off
if you want. I promise this isn't after you talk
about black Rock.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
I promise you this isn't because they beat me into
two thousand and four rows bo Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
He actually he's not gonna get eaty pushback. What are
you talking about? How ask you a question? Who the
hell is rated? And you act like one national championship
isn't anything great?

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
What is Texas done outside of Vince Young in two
thousand and five and then hear me out outside of
two thousand and five and then the almost win against
Alabama and O nine with cold McCoy. What is Texas done?
What is Texas done? What is Texas? What is Texas done?

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Why is it? When I bring up players, I get
the whole. There's a lot of teams and good players.
And then when you bring up school, you bring.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Up the player.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
You bring up one player.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
But I'm saying, but what have they done outside of
almost winning in O nine? And you can blame the
fact that Colt McCoy got hurt and so did.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
The backup and ILM, I'm not blaming.

Speaker 5 (01:19:41):
That outside of Bence Young and the cold McCoy. What
is Texas done?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Meanwhile, every got they got there a couple of times,
okay and lost. Okay, yeah they did.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
But this is the over rat Here's what I feel
overrating is the number one brand in college football? Is
Texas the number one money maker in college football? In
terms of tech, in terms the revenue gross?

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
It's Texas. I thought it was Texas a and now no,
it's Texas.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
In Texas, it's Texas. Every year, every year they got
the only team with their own network. Oh it's Texas.
It's Arkesia, it's quinn Ewers, it's Archie Archie Manning, it's
or arch Man, It's player player, player, team, team, team,
What do they have to show for as much as
they've been talking about them for the last thirty years.
I think you got the greatest game of all time

(01:20:24):
we've been shown, and you got to almost win against
Cop McCory.

Speaker 7 (01:20:27):
That's very Bears, like I would say with in eighty five,
Texas claimed two thousand and six.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Two thousand and five, Yeah, January, it was in nineteen seventy.

Speaker 7 (01:20:37):
Before that, I think they claimed two thousand and five
the way the Bears claim nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
I would have to agree with the audio guy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
The Bears was this they have won. Texas has more
than one. I know it's a long time ago, but
I hate to tell you your school had it. It
was a long time ago too.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
But I also admitted that my team was, but I
admitted that. I admitted we fell into that category.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
We did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yeah, I think I'd like to know who's rated that,
who's rated properly.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
Alabama's rated properly, usc is rated properly, Ohio State's rated properly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Uh So we're probably talking about a very few Oklahoma
right right, We're talking about very few.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
Is that fair to say Oklahoma's rady propably. They've come
up with shorter bunch and they've choked the bunch. Be fine,
you want to call Oklahoma, I'll take Oklahoma. They're raided properly.
I think Michigan now is rated properly. I think these
these teams are rated properly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Florida, is it about wins or is it about championship wins?

Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
I think a mixture of wins, championships and consistency and
staying relevant. Now, you can't disappear for forty years and
then not come like, you can't disappear for forty years, like,
you gotta stay relevant. You gotta be winning because you
don't have to win national championship. We got a couple
teams in here and only have two or one, but
they've stayed relevant throughout the course. Like they got eleven wins.

(01:21:59):
Twelve wins.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Coaches that are that you know, coaches players, Oklahoma has
won one since two thousands, So right, I mean we're
talking about Oklahoma about relevance.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
This is true outside Alabama. Oklahoma has the most playoff appearances,
like Oklahoma and Georgia. I think now and you're taking over,
I agree, But.

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
Then okay, all right, I was going to say the
Chat family, they Greg and Kyle and a couple others.
They do believe Texas excuse me is overrated, But Damian
her nad that are sent in an NFL player edition
of overrated. He's trying to he's trying to use this
against you, Bry All right.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
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Let's do Black Rock, Let's do ladies say when we
come back, also too, we do have to hit some
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talk about the lions on Monday.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
This one and this one leads us into that conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
Do you want to do it now?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Then?

Speaker 8 (01:22:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
No, we can you tease it because this show is going.
It's been flying by. Let's get to let's get to
some of these reads and then we'll get back. It's
been fun, it's fun, but it's already twenty three after
after three, and I thought it was like two twenty three,
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Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
Hey, shout out to Bundyarantines on the stops. Man, they
are not overrated. But you know what, the Chat family
has something for your brain.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Hold on before you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
Hold on, did you watch the highlights? Did you watch
the highlights in off season? I don't know if you
watched the highlights and the sweepers that you guys played.
Your boy was out there, Moss and some people. Hey,
I tell you, Randy Moss was my guy, Like you know,
I take the ball talk some stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
The only difference. The only difference is you didn't pretend
to moon a whole football crowd.

Speaker 5 (01:29:38):
So that was good at least not on the football
football I didn't practice.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
All right, let's it's that chat room real quick? Go ahead?

Speaker 6 (01:29:46):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:47):
All right.

Speaker 6 (01:29:47):
So look, it's a couple of people here. One one
of my favorite names from the chat hoof hearted starts.
Lamar Jackson plays MVP ball, not Super Bowl ring ball.
There's a huge difference. And Damnian Hernanda said, if we're
gonna call teams overrated because they haven't done anything, he
says in years, and Lamar Jackson is very overrated because

(01:30:08):
he hasn't done anything with the Ravens and he's had weapons,
offensive line and a defense. He's called him bula on one,
Lamar Jackson brel.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
He's called him overrated.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
You he's your favorite guy? Can I defend him for you?

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
Go ahead? So I didn't seem like I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
When a dude is seventy one and twenty five all time,
when he is a two time MVP and in that
conversation on a regular basis, when he's a four time
pro bowler in a three time All Pro, which to
me means more than pro bowler, When he is widely
viewed as a top three quarterback, whether he's number one
or not. I get that he comes up smaller in

(01:30:50):
playoff games like some of his teammates do as well.
I get that he's been a disappointment. I don't think
he's overrated, though.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
And I agree one hunred Per saying anything I say
you're not gonna listen to anyway, trying to get you
from That's all good. I'll say it anyway. Look, man,
Lamar Jackson is an amazing talent, and what he's done
in his career so far in the NFL, like the
numbers speak for themselves, you know, And I know he
has to close that door. I agree. I told you
I'm tired of hearing about what Lamar does in the
regular season. I agree with you, guys, overrated, No like

(01:31:21):
it now? Has he had the unfortunate uh, what's the
word I'm looking for? Has he had? Has he had
the unfortunate pleasure of playing against Patrick Mahomes who's got
three out of five? Yeah? Has he had to play
against Josh Josh Allen, who shep just said was the
best quarterback in the NFL right now? Yeah, that kind
of comes to the territory you eventually do with you
eventually do have to cross that bridge. You gotta win it.

(01:31:43):
You gotta win it, so there'll be no more excuses.
Whether you want to blame yourself or Mark Andrews, whether
you want to blame Za Flowers two years ago for
what he did on the goal line, it doesn't matter.
It's up to you, it's up to the guy. It's
up to Lamar Jackson. So yeah, overrated, No, But does
he need to do something in the post season? Yes?
Three time?

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Drastic I agree, three times in eight years he's.

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
Led him and his team. Let's say, yes, not a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
But hold on, I mean, if in fairness and I
just stuck up for him in three times in eight
years he's led the league in touchdown percentage. But if
we're gonna use hey, you got to prove it to me.
In every other sport, whoever has come up short. Unfortunately,
this is what his quarterbacks are saddled with. If I'm
gonna say I needed more out of John Elway back

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in the day, I needed more out of Jim Kelly,
Dan Marino, Peyton Manning till he won too. I can
say that about Lamar Jackson too, because unfortunately, and I
don't think it's always fair, but unfortunately, the quarterback is
associated with the wins and losses. I already gave you
his wins seventy one. I gave you his losses only
twenty five. I would remind you if I gave you

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these numbers one seventy two and forty nine, you know
what those are. One seventy two are the touchdowns in
his career. Forty nine interceptions in his career. That is
an incredible ratio.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
We can have this conversation like all day long. One
it's a fun one. Two. It has different layers than three.
People just love to disagree, especially when I give him
information like this. Look, Lamar Jackson always shows up in
the playoffs, and you can go back to his playoff
history for when the team wasn't ready, when they were
not offensively coordinated for him to have successful, they didn't
have weapons on the team for him to have success.

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He still found ways to get there. And then they
do providing weapons and sometimes it just doesn't work. I
want to see what it looks like when there is
no excuse, when there is no z Flowers being out
last season, when there's no Mark Andrews drop on a
second on a two point conversion where you're going to overtime.
Who knows what happens in overtime if you want to
judge out, but you have the opportunity. Yet again, I'm
tired of hearing about whether it was Todd Monkin, who

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has this great offensive coordinating scheme all regular season and
then you get into the playoffs, you get into these
tight games, and it's like, is it Lamar Jackson getting tight?
Is it Todd Monkin getting tight two years prior to that?
Was it Greg Roman the offensive coordinator getting tight? Or
was it Lamar? This is the year where there are
no excuses. Whatever happens at the end of this year
with Lamar and Baltimore is going to be who Lamar

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and Baltimore are going to be because if they lose,
first of all the Chiefs, is it Patrick Mahomes Because
last time I took they were on too and trying
to figure out what's going on with all the injuries,
So it's not gonna be him. Is Josh Allen where
you beat him last year and then this year you
had him beat and then your team collective gave the
game up. At the end of this season, it will
be nothing to talk about with Lamar he will either

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have won the Super Bowl or got to the super
Bowl and won it, got to the super Bowl and
lost it. Anything other than.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
That, I do think he's he's gotten better. He hasn't
always shown He hasn't always shown up in playoffs. I mean,
he scored his team scored three points in a loss
to the Bills in twenty twenty one. His team lost
to the Tennessee Titans, and they always scored thirteen.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Look at those offensive rosters.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Well, yeah, okay, that's fine. All I'm telling you is again,
this is fair or unfair, and it's probably more unfair.
But if we're gonna label this with quarter we don't
do that with Matthew Stafford didn't do that with him.
In Detroit. He didn't come up, he didn't play. He
wasn't good enough against New Orleans. He wasn't good enoughinst
in Seattle, wasn't good enough against Dallas. We did that
and we had to live with it. Lamar Jackson in

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those three occasions, anyway, wasn't good enough. That doesn't take
away from what he's done in the regular season. And
how great, and yes I use that word, and I
don't use it very often. How great he has been
in getting his team there. I don't think people appreciate
that enough. You do, of course, but how tough that
is to get your team there, especially when you are

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the constant hunted in that division. On the other hand,
when you're losing to Tennessee and only scoring ten points,
you're losing to Buffalo and all you did was get
your team a field goal, that's a problem. And you're right,
he's got to overcome that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
You're absolutely correct. And those games were four or five
years ago, like this current Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
He said he got better.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
I give you an example. Just look at the last
game he played Buffalo. Like all people taking out of
that game is what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
They lost.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
Did you see Alamar Jackson playing? Did you see what
he did? Yet? Again? And those games and he lost. Yes, quarterback,
it's fair. You get the wins, you get the losses.
It comes with the territory, it comes with sixty million dollars,
it comes with the commercials, it comes with the perks.
We understand that. But when you play so damn good, jeez, Louis.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Yes, hey, you know, it's not a lot different than
pitchers who pitch so damn good and don't get the
win because unfortunately, unlike baseball, I mean, it's a little
different with football. Jack Morris when he led the Twins
to that championship and he pitched extra innings and look
at what he did. You know, he is glorified for that.
That might have got him into the Hall of Fame.
All right, it's not the way it works, unfortunately with

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quarterbacks in the NFL. Yeah, you know what.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
Shout out to this chat man for just doing their thing.
Teddy Fresh in the chat before we get into the
Lions versus Ravens early preview because we also have Monday,
but we're gonna give you a little bit of something today.
Teddy Fresh sends in a fifty dollars suito. It shmes
to number one. Thank you man all week. Yeah, this
is crazy, he says that. Look, he says he loves

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the show.

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Bray.

Speaker 6 (01:37:05):
I remember that Rose Bowl game against Texas. It was
thirty one twenty one Michigan in the fourth and you
guys didn't put them away. The game is so memorable
for me. I was deployed in the desert in my unit,
finally had a day off.

Speaker 5 (01:37:16):
Thank you for watching game.

Speaker 6 (01:37:17):
Thank you, thank you Teddy for your service.

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
Thank you for all your day off choosing to watch
the University of Michigan Wolverines play against the Texas I'm
being honest, like, on your day off, you shows to
watch Michigan in Texas. Like, thank you for your service
and thank you for choosing us. I wish we could
have got the win for you. Lord knows that do
Oh man, I hate that game because it's like the
one game it was like I can't talk about what
happened in that game, but I want to talk about

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what happened in that game like three touchdowns later, but
I can't talk about this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Uh, let's dive into this. Somebody also, and again, thank
you for your service as much as anything else, but
thank you for the chat. That's awesome. It's an honor
to be able to for you to spend some time
with us, it really is. It's an honor for us
for to be uh entertaining and hopefully sports knowledgeable enough
and have some smiles that make any of you watch

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and join us in the chat. It means, it means
an awful lot to us. Somebody had sent this in
the chat sixty to seventeen or fifty I'm sorry fifty
to seventeen Ravens. So let's dive in a little bit,
Lions and Ravens. We're well aware of the special skill
set that Lamar Jackson brings to the table and how
much of a challenge that's going to be. It's going

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to be a hell of a lot more challenging with
Marcus Davenport out and now they have graded that as
a chest injury. When you go from shoulder to chest.
That screams to me anyway, pectoral muscle. Okay, something that
you have a lot of, I may not have enough of.

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What how do you handle Lamar Jackson?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
And please don't tell me you got to keep him
on his spot. Everybody's tried to do that, every flip
and defensive coordinator who's ever played against the kid has
right to do that, and they haven't been able to
necessarily do it. How do you handle it?

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
Okay, I'm clearly not a defensive coordinator, but if I
were trying to play couch DC, you got to keep
him off balance, keep them uncomfortable. Everyone is tried, and
it does not work twenty four and two, But that's
just what it has to be. You have to find
that version that you gotta keep him off pace keep
when Lamar is comfortable, well, Lamar can just drop back
Loti die. I guess that's become my thing now. When

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he can just drop back Loti die, he can do
whatever he wants to because you see how efficient he
is in the past. You see if he gets on
the outside, he's gone, and he's very patient when he
runs nowadays. So you have to throw different looks I'm
talking about pre snap, post snap. You gotta show Lamar something.
You gotta make him believe that this is what your
defense is gonna be, and then you gotta be able
to change it when the ball snaps. You gotta force

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him to believe a yeah, I know when I sit,
when you sit in there, you can beat me. I
know when I let you get on the outside because
there's no pass rush that you can beat me. But
can you see pro snap, pre snap, can you change?
Can you adjust to the looks that we're going to show.
Send him a bunch of different looks. You gotta keep
sending different looks at him, whether you're blitzing with Brian
Branch off the edge, whether you're fake showing blitz and

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now you're because he's a fast individual. He's a guy
that can speed. He's a dynamic guy. You know what
Ed Reed used to do in terms of showing a
look and then getting out of that look. Can you
do that? Can you show this blitzer and then pull
out and then start cuds and then get into coverage
and then give yourself a chance in he's passing lanes.
That's what it has to be, because all the other
stuff is you keep him on the inside and then

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you hope that you funnel him this way. It's not
gonna happen. He showed his time and time again that
it doesn't happen. It doesn't matter who he's playing against.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
My favorite is you have a spy, you gotta put
a spy out.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
You can put three spies on him, and then what
happens is he's still gonna beat you. But even now
you have three spies, guess who's open?

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Two people exactly Flowers. That a really nice start to
the season. So who might different looks? Who might be the.

Speaker 5 (01:40:50):
Jack Campbell and Brian Branch Jack camblin Brian Bans because
they they don't show a lot of blitzing with Jack
Campbell They don't show him a lot of times coming
off the edge. He's more so he stays in coverage
and he stays home. He does what he's supposed to do.
And when he goes it's because the tight end is home,
his man is home. The running backs in the backfield.
You gotta do some different looks with Jack Campbell. Unleash him.
Unleash Jack Campbell. Jack Campbell may be the guy that

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we've been waiting for. He may be the player that
can help Hutch on the other other sing and was
happy about it. And guess what he did after he
did that. He just went back to the huddle business
as usual, Jack Campbell, and then allow Brian Branch to
do more things. We see a little bit of Brian
Branch dropping in the coverage late, blenzing off the ends.

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We don't see a ton of it. We don't see
a ton of it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Let that guy go.

Speaker 5 (01:41:36):
He is the best defensive player on the team. Let
him turn into the wolverine like Brian Dawkins did for
the Philadelphia Eagles back in the day. You gotta let
that guy go, and you gotta let Jack Campbell go.
That's what I would say to them. Showed them a
multitudeive looks, a multitude of looks, because I don't care
how good you as quarterback. You could be. Tom Brady
can be paid Manning Brett fire if you can be
warm moon when you you see I got a warm moon.

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Reference that. When you see one thing and then it's
there to the last possible second, and now it changes.
No matter how good you are, you have to adjust
and how fast can you relay that information? How fast
can you get your offense on the same page as
you when you see that adjustment? Show him multitude of looks.
Just keep them coming.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
You're gonna have to score with them because they've already
proven forty and forty one. I think Detroit's defense is
better than Buffalo's defense. I think Detroit's defense is better
than Cleveland's defense. But forty and forty forty I know
that's that's all right, that's kind of a little controversial.
It's pretty close.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
You say you think Detroit's defense is better than Cleveland's.
I do cap. That's cap. That means that's false. Okay,
give me why because their secondary as well as their
defensive line can in totality is better than the Lions
and the only like the only place.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
I would say. I think Detroit's secondary obviously led by
their safeties, but DJ Reid hasn't played well enough, but
he has a capability. I'm a still believer in Terry
on Arnold. I'll take Detroit's defense.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
You're hoping Terry and Arnold is something to believe in.
I already know Denzel Award is something to believing. I know, dope,
it is something to believe in. And I know, uh shoot,
the fact that I can't think.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Is well, I got, I got again. I got three
guys on Detroit's defense that I know are good too. Okay,
I can bring up Joseph and Branch and DJ Reid. True,
so we're splitting hairs here. Either way, you're gonna have
to score with them, Okay, ken Detroit's offense score on
what has been so far a somewhat vulnerable Baltimore defense.

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And if so, how do they do it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
Yeah? Defense, don't look at them against Buffalo. But Buffalo
has Josh Allen and we don't, So you don't have
that element of a run. Just as a running quarterback.
Disrespecting Jared Goff, this is the running quarterback running, not mobile.
Now you don't have that element, and that's the one
thing when you look at that. But to your point,
they haven't looked great. They haven't looked like world beaters.
They haven't liked the defense that they used to be,

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you know, four or five, six, seven, eight years ago.
They look like the defense is trying to figuregured out,
regardless of who they're playing against, whether who they played.
Last week, Baltimore played Cleveland and they finally put up
the points at the end. It's a tough defense. Most
Cleveland scored twenty points. One is on turnover. So yeah,
can they put up points what I saw last week? Yes,
the Detroit Lions can put up points. They figured out

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they still have the same talent, they still have the
same system. Can you do it on the road If
things get off track, that's the problem, not problem. That's
the biggest question is if the Baltimore Ravens, Let's say
you go out there, you get three and out, Baltimore Ravens,
they come out there, Lamar Jackson sixty yards touchdown, Like
what happens? Then what happens if you guys, you know,

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get two first downs, then you come back have to punt.
They score a game now is fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Is that you're playing catchup team.

Speaker 5 (01:44:43):
Because that's what happened in the green Bay game. The
green Bay game went off the rails because they got
behind early, and it was early, and you get miscommunication
and things that the nature they got behind early. That's
the biggest crux of when they got blown out against
green Bay. They got behind early. If you get behind,
can you come back?

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
And the answer is so far no, first two games
of the season really small sample size. We get that,
but Lamar Jackson and Jared Goff are tied for the
league lead in touchdowns. Lamar Jackson two to zero against
the Lions in his career, five touchdowns, one pick. The
thing that scares some Lions fans, and I think it's justifiable,

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is that Derrick Henry was held in check last week
against Cleveland. It's really hard to find a games back
to back games in his career where he has been
held in that type of check. That is going to
be a real challenge for them, not just handling Lamar Jackson,
but trying to contain a guy who wants to show
everybody again why he's one of the best this game's

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ever had.

Speaker 5 (01:45:41):
Cool It take this. Get ready. This is gonna be
the clip already, So I'm ready for it. Because, to
be honest, that plays to the Detroit Lions. The Detroit
Lions on defense, what they've done best so far is
that interior, the big guys up front, they're not letting
running happen. I know the Josh Jacobs picked up sixty
total of sixty nine yards, but that was garbage yards
towards the and they've been stout in that middle. And

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if you're gonna come here and tell me that, we're
gonna force feed Derrick Henry because of how last week
played out, because his feelings were hurt that he couldn't
get any rushing yards after getting called out and said
we'll see on Sunday, and then we didn't see anything
on Sunday. That plays to Lions. Like the one thing
that they're doing really well is that upfront. Send Derrick
Henry at to League Williams, Send Derrick Henry at DJ Readers,

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send them at them. We dare you that's what that's
what that's what, that's what the Lions should want. Like
if I'm the Baltimore rayvends, it's not me coming in
and saying, because my superstar got shut down last week,
we're going to establish it at home. Yeah, we're gonna
get him going. You better not because that will play
into the Lion's hands and you're trying to do something.
It would be like Ryan Day and Michigan last year.

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She shouldn't ran the ball, you should have passed it,
but you did.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
I would. I would venture this too. You've mentioned, you know,
Brian Branch and Jack Campbell before he even could ask
the question. Because you're reading my mind. I think Terry
on Arnold is going to be vital. And here's why.
Not just because he has struggled in the two games.
He's given up on hundred and seventy five yards more
than any other starting corner in the NFL through the
first two weeks, but because he's also given a three
point two yards per coverage snap and to the nearest defender,

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and that is the largest in the league too. If
you are going if Detroit can't get pressure on Lamar Jackson,
if he keeps that play alive. As you have educated
us numerous times here on the show, Look, you can
only cover for so long. There are times where Terry
on Arnold has been in the right spot this year
and been burned. Has he been burned overall? Absolutely, look

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at Roma Dunze. Yes he did that last week, but
overall he's been in some proper spots. As a cover corner.
If you're not gonna pressure this kid in Lamar Jackson,
he's gonna keep that play alive. You're asking your secondary
to cover a lot longer than they're used to covering.
That's a serious issue.

Speaker 5 (01:47:48):
I think, Yeah, I one under saying. That's why I
say I want to see Brian Branch come off the
end too, and when yeah, those runs as well, he
can come off the end. Because Derek Henry is a
guy that's shown you before he gets going, before he
gets to five six, seventeen down, and feel in the
backfield you can stick him. I've seen many of people
tackle Dare Henry in the backfield. I've seen many corner blitzes,
safety blitzes, even linebackers that get in free. Sometimes he's

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not a big man. As it relates to no momentum going,
no jine going, you gotta get to him before he
gets the momentum. And then talking about those blitzing, you
blitz you gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
This is where Kelvin Shephard really earns his money.

Speaker 8 (01:48:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
I mean, he's got to find a way. Everybody talked
about before the season began, the Kelvin Shepherd was one
of those defensive coordinators who was going to find a
way to get to the quarterback by being more aggressive.
If that's the case, his guys have to get home.
You can call all the blitzes you've want, but if
they're not getting home, then shame on them and they're

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gonna be exposed. So that's what we're looking for. We'll
talk more about it Monday here on the Brelan Edwards Show.
Let's get to the mail bag, Let's get to more
super chats. Let's get to more chats before we get
out of here and having a great weekend everybody. So
what do we got?

Speaker 6 (01:48:58):
Yeah, definitely, you know what, A lot of the chat
family in here are kind of all over the place.
But I'm saying some people that are believing that it's
going to be a drubbing in the Lions favor early
Bird Plumbing says forty five twenty one, And I'm wondering
for those of you in the chat who do believe
that the Lions are gonna go out there and lay
the smack down. Please put your keys to victory in

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the chest so we can read them. But Randall smalls.

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
Forty five, hold, hold, forty one, twenty five, forty five,
twenty one, Like that's nuts. Like, first of all, Lamar
Jackson's not losing.

Speaker 6 (01:49:28):
That's not my burn.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
Anybody at home, he's not happy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
The history would not indicate such. And when somebody in
the chat says, Mary, maybe Derrick Henry has hit a wall,
you're being very selective, just because last week he only
gained twenty three yards against Cleveland. He also gained one
hundred and sixty nine yards against Baltimore or against the Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
That would be a good question, though, Like you know,
how much did that fumble set him back? I'm just joking.

Speaker 6 (01:49:56):
Randall Small's he says, I think with his mail back,
I think Branch will be the spy for Lamar. If
not him, then who on defense.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Well again, there's that word spy. You can spy all
you want. Look, I think Dion Branch is really good
for the Lions.

Speaker 8 (01:50:15):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
I think he's been really good for that. I'm just kidding.
I love Brian Branch. I mean, if people have watched
this show long enough, I think they both know that
you and I think the world of him. I want
him to stay a line as long as he possibly can.
I think he's really fired up for this game. If
people recall two years ago when they lost in Baltimore
and they werembarrassed in Baltimore. Dan Campbell's talked about it

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this week, we remember it. Kelvin Shepherd has talked about it.
We remember it. Brian Branch has said it. As soon
as the game was over, he got one of the
game balls and then went over Chicago and he said,
hey man, we got Baltimore. You know why because he
lost on his birthday in Baltimore two years ago. So again,
I personally, I think emotionally takes you so far in sports.

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Eventually you're going to have to perform. You can be
as fire up as you want. When you get punched
in the nose, then what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:51:03):
But the spire is a good thing if you know
how to use this. Let me let me let me
rephrase that. A spy is a great thing. If you
have a player that could be that spy. Brian Branch
can be that spy. That's why when you say that
in the comments, when you say that in the check,
he's right, he's talking ball. I remember what we did
against Vince Young when I was playing in Michigan. We
legitimately spied him on first and second down. Now what
happened on third down? You got to talk to a
defensive coordinator at the time. First and second down, what

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he did. They had a guy that kept on the
outside to keep him inward. What you do with a
Brian Branch, you use him to keep Lamar going back
towards Talite Williams, back towards the pile, back towards the
right side, wherever it's going to be out there in
place with Marcus Davenport. That's where it helps. Because if
you don't have a guy out there, when he gets outside,
he's outside. Like they say in the clture today, I'm outside.

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He gets outside, he's outside, has nothing to do. But
if you have a guy out there that runs for,
a guy that has that ability to guy that is
a ball player, he's a ball player talking about Brian Branch,
you can help yourself funnel Lamar back to a space.
Maybe he's still gets it's four or five yards. Maybe
he still gets seven, but he's not getting thirty five.
He's not getting forty two in a touchdown. He's getting seven.

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And now it's third and three or it's second in
three that you can do with a spot that can't help.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
It's good stuff. Thank you for that. In the chat, yeah, definitely,
And you know what, where is it?

Speaker 6 (01:52:19):
I here had a good one here Michael Werry He says,
mail back, mail bag, And you know what, Michael werriy,
thank you for your service as well. I know he's
one of our other vets that are in the tub
and he's the one that really goes for the likes
in the chest. So thank you, Michael ware you Mike
always Yeah, he says, what do you think about the
Ravens O line? I'm not that impressed.

Speaker 5 (01:52:39):
The Ravens have had an issue with the offensive line
for the last four or five years, like it's a
revolving door. And also I think Stanley's been injured a
lot of that time, so I don't think they're overly great.
And I think that the Baltimore Ravens chep you can
step in. I don't think they've relied on the offensive
line in the last five years. I think they've relied
on the ability of Lamar Jackson to get outside the

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pocket and escape and do those special things which sometimes
can bite you in the butt. But their line injuries
to Stanley a lot, but it's been inconsistent. You see,
let Kevin Zyler go two years ago when he came here,
and they weren't necessarily better line for it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Yeah, I don't personally, I don't think that's fair. I
don't think Lamar Jackson does it all by himself. I
don't think Derek Henry does it all by himself. I
don't think you win as many games as they've won
with just those guys without the offensive line. I'm sure
those guys will tell you that too. I don't look
at Baltimore's susceptibility with their offensive line. I look at
Baltimore's susceptibility with their defense. Baltimore has always had been

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synonymous with strong defenses. Maybe that's unfair on my part,
and I'm gravitating toward Ed Reid, and I'm gravitating toward
Ray Lewis and Tony Siragusa and guys like that. So
maybe I still have that burned in my head. But
I've always viewed Baltimore as a defensive team, and it's

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probably chan in my mind because of how dynamic Lamar
Jackson is. But if you look at what has happened
is so far this year, they have thrown for two
opposing teams have thrown for two hundred yards more than
Baltimore has thrown four, and opposing teams have rushed for
well over two hundred yards against them in two games.

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I think they're a little bit more susceptible than what
we're used to seeing. I think Detroit is going to
do their damnedest to keep Lamar Jackson off the field
and run the football. If Detroit can win the battle
of running the running game, then I think they've got
a really good shot at winning the game.

Speaker 5 (01:54:38):
And Baltimore gave up fifty seven sacks and twenty one
thirty eight sacks and twenty two. They lowered it to
twenty seven sacks in twenty three and then went back
to forty two sacks in twenty four. I say that
to say this, Dari Hearing's a monster, and so is
Lamar Jackson. From that offensive line, I see inconsistency.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Yeah, I think those are excellent stats. I do think
sometimes those statistics. It's kind of like last year Kayler
Williams get sacked sixty eight times, how much was on
him scrambling and being chased down? How much was on
the offensive line caving in. I don't know the answer
to that. I can help you, but those numbers are
pretty glarious.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
Coo. Bears went out and got three new offensive linemen
last year.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Didn't help them at all. In fact, anything else, Oh yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:55:21):
The people are definitely active in the chat right now.
And Jack Stark, he says, explaining heavy man coverage hurt
the Lions in this game.

Speaker 5 (01:55:29):
Yes, because when the DB's turning their back, Lamar Jackson's
out of here, like when the like, when the DB's
turning their back and man and man coverage, that leaves
eight looking at the back of the DB's jerseys, which
means deuces if you don't get rushed to them. And
we already know on the right side it's been iffy
and there's no Marcus Davenport. This is the guy we
were promised, This is the guy we were told that

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was going to be the opposite side of eight Hunchson
and little disrespect. But he's not in What does that
right side look like? What does that right side look like?
You play man and man coverage that right side. You're
getting no rest, You're getting beat up. Lamar Jackson has
a free side to go to. So man and man.
You can play two men. You could play some forms
of man, but just going eight man or going man
across the board cover one. You better be careful because

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if ever DJ Reed and Terry and Arnold Kirby, Joseph
and Brian Branch and Jack Campbell and Barnes, these guys
are running with players because this is how the offense
sets up. Boom, we'll just go all out. We'll go five.
Don't go all out.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:56:30):
This is what I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Okay, great educational.

Speaker 5 (01:56:33):
Because that's what he's looking at. Lamar's looking at for
the DBS to turn it, but he wants that. He
wants it. Once he sees the back turns, I'm taking
off God, and then if you come up, well, now
I got the guy that you came up one.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Love it fantastic.

Speaker 6 (01:56:45):
Kenny Power is sent in a five dollars super number
three right out a top fans and the Jack Kenny
Power says he has the Lions one and two after
week three, so he's calling the loss to the Ravens,
but by the start of week seven will be four
and two, So.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
That means they would beat the Browns, check, Bengals check,
and the Chiefs. I believe in Kansas City, right, I
think so.

Speaker 8 (01:57:12):
I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:57:13):
One of the biggest things for me with the six
games we the six games, the six games, the six games,
I had them out of six games four and two
on my schedule, but I would have accepted three and three.
It's how big of a hole or were you at
after that six games? This was going to be a
team that got better as the season went along. Anyway,
I believe this team is gonna be really strong as
they get into week seven, Week eight, week nine, once

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the get to the end of the season. This week
is gonna be really strong. Yeah. I think it's okay
to lose and be one and two because you're going
to lose six games on some people's schedule, five games
on some people's schedule. But how do you lose? How
do you look in that loss? Do you look like
you did against Green Bay Packers up in Baltimore, or

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do you look like a team that could have won
the game if one thing went right up here, or
if this hadn't happen. That's the difference. One and two
is fine. This team is fine. They're built for one
and two is not a big problem. But how does
that to look if it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Yeah, if you get your doors blown off by Baltimore
like they did a couple of years ago. I think
there's a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:58:16):
Now there's two blowouts in three games, and now we
can no longer justify game one as being game one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
Yeah, fair enough, anything else?

Speaker 6 (01:58:23):
Yet one more here from our guy, Freddie Felt three
one three melback who needs to step up the most
in a victory over the Ravens on Monday night football.
And then he also, speaking of Monday night football, he'll
be home for the Bucks game. He'll be at the
studio and he's pulling up with a gift for the
goat that is Brendan Edwards. So you got some We
got some gifts. Simply just one of the best.

Speaker 5 (01:58:45):
But we appreciate what's come on up. We appreciate that
coming studio. Bring some things to get autographed. The whole
nine yards. Well, I'll take care of that for you.
It's it's very easy for them. It has to be
and this is cliche, it's got to be the D line,
and specifically it's gotta be ninety seven. It's gotta be
ninety seven. Yeah, we know the secondary can cover and
blah blah blah. It's not about DJ Reed, it's not

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about Terry Arnold in as much as it's about ninety seven.
I don't want to hear about double teams. I don't
want to hear about who's down on the other side.
You gotta find a way, a way to make a play.
You got your first sack last week. We know you
have confidence in where your leg is heard. The whole
conversation that he had in training camp, the biggest thing
that happened for him in terms of what the mental
was is he got leg whipped in training camp, a

(01:59:28):
mean leg whip for while one of the offensive linemen,
and he came up to this trainer and the trainer's like,
what's going on, Hayden, what's up you? Okay? He said, bro,
I just got leg whipped. He said, how's the leg?
He said, Its effing awesome. The fact that you knew
that then you've had Game one. Now you got a
sack after game too. Ninety seven, unleash it. Your team,
your city has been waiting on it. Ninety seven, you

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gotta come to play like ninety seven is the most
important person in this game far none. I don't want
to hear about the offensive line. I don't hear about
the right edge. I don't want to hear about Brian Branch.
I don't want to hear about jareed Go. Ninety seven,
you got to come to play. Show me why we
drafted you second in twenty twenty one. Show me why
you should have been first in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Show me why you're gonna get a contract similar to
that TJ. Wash Hello, Miles Garrett.

Speaker 5 (02:00:13):
Seven has to come to rest.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 5 (02:00:16):
If he comes. If he comes to play, this is
a different game. You might be able to poke your
chest out on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
And I love fire milk. You know what I love
about it is you said, don't I want want to
hear about double teams. The best get double teams. He
expects it, he understands it, He doesn't make excuses for it.
We'll be talking more about it on Monday here on
The Brilliant Edwards Show. Thank you for joining us in
the chat. Thanks for all of your service, by the way,
because there's a lot of you in the chat who
did just that. Good Luck to the Tigers this weekend

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in a three game set against Atlanta. We'll be talking
about that on my chair as well. Have a great weekend, everybody,
all the.

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