MCDC Talks Isaac Teslaa! | Detroit Lions | Braylon Edwards Show with Shep I August 19th, 2025

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One of my favorite things to do is to look
at rankings and begin a massive debate because it's so easy,
especially in the National Football League. Welcome everybody to the
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chat for certain antson good to be back. We do
from last Friday let's dive right into it. NFL dot
Com comes out with their top one hundred players, so subjective, right,
CBS Sports does, at ESPN doesn't. So there's a few,
you know, if people are looking for the Lions. Sam
Laport was at ninety four, this is current Kirby Joseph

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was at seventy one.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
This is current players. It's not all the time, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah. A Hutchinson was fifty five, though, which is mind
blowing that he's at fifty five. It's almost as bad
as Michaeh. Parsons being at thirty six. Like these people
need to be drug tested to think that Michael Parsons
is at thirty six. Where do people draw the line

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with this stuff? Do you think it's done strictly because
let's have some fun and let's get people talking about
I like Buddha Baker, I think he's good. Do I
think he's better than Michael Parsons? Hell no? I like
Josh Jacobs. I think he's good. Do I think he's
better than Aiden Hutchinson at his position? Hell no? Is
bo Nicks better at his position than Kirby Joseph is

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at his I would strongly say no, and yet they
rank for some reason bo Nick's sixty four, Kirby Joseph's
seventy one. Where do the rankings do you think come from?

Speaker 7 (02:32):
You know, I've heard that players are able to contribute
to this, and then we've obviously seen specific ones from
the AP or whatever. But you're right, man, it's it's
completely subjective.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:43):
If you if you ask Maz where Michael Persons should be,
he be in the top fifteen. If you ask Stick,
he's not in the top fifty.

Speaker 8 (02:50):
So top fifteen is a little low for Mas.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
I might be top you're right about that.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, oh, Stick doesn't think Minka Parson is in the
top fifty.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
Maybe I'm exaggerating. I don't think he'd have him in
his top forty. But Maz would rather have Micah than
Piney Sewell on this team.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'd like he's alone there. Braylan Edwards is the same thing.

Speaker 7 (03:12):
Where are you at on that?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (03:14):
I'd rather have Penay to me, Piney is a top
ten player in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think you're splitting hairs. Honestly, I think Micah Parsons
is that impactful. We all like Jamier Gibbs, right, everybody Okay,
Jamier Gibbs is runked twenty seventh. Michaeh. Parsons is a
better player at what he does, I believe than Jamier
Gibbs is. Now that's debatable because you know how many
other say Kwon Barkley, Derrick Henry, maybe be Jean Robinson,

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Jamiir Gibbs maybe the fourth best. I think Micah Parsons
is an absolute offensive football home wrecord.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I think he's a phenomenal player. Whether or not you
think he's top twe I don't see how anybody can
say he's outside the top thirty.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
You know how I can say that? They why I
think they're saying that. I believe that Micah Parsons has
been misusing that defense for two years, three years maybe
his rookie year when they were letting him do a
lot more stuff kind of within his own skill set
and the things that he's fantastic at. I've seen them

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kind of limit what he does and whether it's dropping
him into coverage or I'm not sure what they're doing
to him, but I see a top twenty player absolutely.
I just haven't seen the production from him, and I
think it's because he's being misused. So I think that
people have a little bit of a recency bias, and
a lot of that is, you know, if bon Nix

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is even in that top hundred list, it's pure recency bias.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean, he's been at League four years, he's a
four time pro bowler, and he's got double digit sex
every single year. I don't know how they're misusing him. Yeah,
I really don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that.
I think that's hard for I've always feel like that's
hard for us in the media. And I'm using this
term not just answering us in the media to say
they're misusing him, considering he is that productive. So I

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don't know their schemes. I mean, he's All Pro first
team twice, All Pro second team once. How is he
being misused? What more could and if that's the case,
he's definitely a top ten player, for crying out loud,
If you think they haven't reached his potential by getting
him in the right defensive schemes, he's absolutely a top

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ten player.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
Well, in his first two years, they moved him around
all over the place. He had sixty four tackles as
a rookie solo eighty four total he had forty three
last year. Obviously played some less games, but he had.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Forty three combos last year. Last year solo tackles he
had thirty. He had thirty.

Speaker 7 (05:47):
Yeah, so eighty four total tackles his rookie year. Then
that number drops down by twenty over the next two
years in full seasons. Now last year seeing forty three
with only thirteen games.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
What's his job in a defense?

Speaker 7 (05:59):
What's his So as a rookie, they had him doing
a lot. He was being moved around as if he
was a slot receiver on defense, and what they've been
doing the last two years. And the reason I'm saying
this is because I've owned him in my Dynasty League
IDP League for the last four years and his production
has gone down. And it's mainly because they stopped using

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him moving him all over the place, and they've mostly
dialed him in just as an edge rusher. And I
think that Micah has so much more ability to affect
the game on so many more levels. And because he
missed four games last year, had his lowest tackle count ever,
is why he is being demoted to the bottom. You know,

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at top forty seat the top twelve.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I just I can't get with that. And here's the
reason why I don't agree with it. As you said,
he missed four games. Remember this his second year was
he was All Pro first team. Okay, he had thirteen
and a half sacks. Last year he had twelve. He
had thirteen ten for losses. Last year he had twelve.
That's quarterback hits. He had twenty six last year at

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twenty three? That's his job? Is he good at dropping
back and covering people? Absolutely? I don't care how many
tackles he has because I think oftentimes and let's face it,
he's getting double teamed more than he ever did before.
All I care about from Micah Parsons is how well
are you playing the flat when you're supposed to drop

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and how well are you getting after the quarterback? Are you?
What's your QbH? What's your TFLs, what's your sacks? And
his numbers are in line for the most part. I mean,
if he doesn't miss four games, he's got a hell
of a lot more than the numbers I just gave
you in all those statistics, and you're not even thinking
anything other than the tackles, which I don't care about

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I care about him making his bad breath should be
on every quarterback face mask. That's all I really care about.
With Michah Parsons, I.

Speaker 9 (07:59):
Do wonder how much if it is the success or
lack they're off of the Dallas Cowboys over this time.
You know, I've seen a shift at least with how
our players.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Ah, you're saying the ranking, you're saying the ranking.

Speaker 9 (08:10):
I wonder if the ranking is ready to say more
or less to the team's success, because we've seen this
down on sports, at least with the Detroit texx.

Speaker 8 (08:17):
We've seen our players here be d ranked.

Speaker 9 (08:20):
Or or or ranked very low, like Ky Cunning up
sixty seventh in the NBA just last year.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
They're not making that well, that wasn't. That wasn't at
the end of the year. That was going into the year.
And look at how many games he missed the prior year.
So you could understand that, right, I mean to separate
yourself for just a moment, you know, he's he's too talented.

Speaker 7 (08:39):
You can't separate and it's a bad example.

Speaker 9 (08:42):
It's bad dating aren't happening. But we've heard this with
with players who were you look at his rookie season.
This guy was Rookie of the Year, but they didn't
give it to him. They gave it to Scottie Barnes,
and they said because this team was better. They said,
look at the team success around him, even the he
was a rookie, and we just knew that Kay Cunningham's
usage was that much higher. You could say, the only

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rookie to do the status he put up the status
heren't did, was Michael Jordan.

Speaker 8 (09:09):
Now you're looking at Michael Parsons.

Speaker 9 (09:10):
Who he looks like one of those guys, and you're
talking about somebody who is a bona fide star. To
me a stud I believe he should be right higher.
So you're think he's being demoted.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
But based off that argument. Based off that argument, the
reason Kid Cunningham was NBA third Team a year goes
because of business success. In part.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
I believe that they decided to tip the cap for Also.

Speaker 9 (09:32):
They said, if they are even within a breath of
the play in, Kay will become an All Star. They said,
if he has the same exact stats but their team sucks,
he's not getting into that.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
Game and he should have been.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Who said that, Oh, it was several.

Speaker 9 (09:47):
It was several people within the national media landscape, from
Simmons to speculation too.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
Well, I mean, these are the guys that vote on
that stuff.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
But let's be honest. He was the second team NBA
player this last year, and if he wasn't a fourteen
three or the year before thirteen, yeah, but he should
have been a second team second And the reason why
he wasn't is because they only won fourteen games the
year before. He missed a bunch of games, and in
the NBA, for sure, you have.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
To do any games the year before. Well, but okay,
and he played twelve games his second year.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
If there's anybody else outside of our love Nest with
the Pistons or any of our teams that had those numbers,
you'd be saying, no way should they be ranked higher.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Well, no, Cage's numbers last year. He should have been
a second teamer period. And the only reason I think
that he was not any higher than third was because
it was the first time he had done it, and
the NBA wants to see you do it on a
consistent two to three year with success.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I absolutely do.

Speaker 9 (10:50):
I believe he should be higher parsons, but I believe
that what we've seen from the Cowboys is not gonna.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Just so people are clear, let's let's clarify one thing. Yeah,
the second team All NBA was Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunson,
Lebron the King of Everything, James, Steph Curry, Steph Curry.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
And Evan Mobley and those guys.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Those were the five guys.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
But Kate was better than both Curry and Brunson. Curry
gets the nod because he's Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't disagree with that. That's the guy Brunson that
we saw it nauseam, the clutch, plays down the stretch
and where his team. He was the best player on
a better team. So again, I think we need to
it's not always about statistics. It's not always about the numbers.
She's got to be able to separate ourselves and we

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feel like he's ours, Oh my gosh, he's disrespected. He's
not disrespected at all.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
But separating yourself from the statistics and looking at the
Cowboys performance is probably why he ended up at thirty six.

Speaker 9 (11:59):
Yeah, at least that's the only answers that I've gotten.
I've been able to accept whatever they're gonna tell us
about our players, but keep that same energy across the board.
And right now you got to ask yourself, what are
his stats doing to impact the Cowboys actually having a
winning season? These are things we've heard from several players.
We can go back down lists of players in Detroit

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and say, what, our guy got.

Speaker 8 (12:22):
Snubb but what are they doing to win?

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Actually?

Speaker 9 (12:23):
What is he doing to an impact winning? That's what
matters to with Michael Parsons, even if fifteen.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Years of future should not matter one damn bit.

Speaker 7 (12:31):
Well, but and it shouldn't be as Detroit fans, We've
seen good players over the last fifteen years get snubbed
because none of them were sniffing the playoffs. I'm not
calling it fair. That's just how they do it with
their recency bias when they're making rankings.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, I'm trying to think who got snubbed?

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Not many, not many?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, but but you got we're talking like there's a lot.
I mean, is it is it Matthew Stafford or you're
talking about him getting snubbed? Calvin Johnson didn't get snubbed.
Who is it that got snubbed from Detroit Sports? That
should have been there because the team wasn't any good.

Speaker 7 (13:07):
Well, I mean, whether we as Detroit fans were accurate
in thinking that they should have been there, you know,
it goes hand in hand. Our lack of success was
paired with our lack of superstars, but anytime that we
had a guy that we thought should have been there,
you know, like Zach mckissry isn't making the All Star
Game if the Tigers aren't leading.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
The way, but also if he plays well. I guess
what flies in the face of that, though, is Buddha
Baker and Arizona stinks and he's ranked higher, Ceedee lamb
is on the same Cowboy team he's ranked higher. So
I don't expect you guys to know the answer to this.
This is a very generic question. I'm just saying. I
think we're kind of grasping at straws here and trying

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to figure out whether or not why in the world
is this guy ranked where he is? Who's making these
these these rankings, And it really shouldn't bother me for
crying out loud.

Speaker 9 (13:55):
So I just mean, the thing we can do is
grasp at straws because is something that doesn't make sense
to me.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Like it just doesn't.

Speaker 9 (14:02):
We started to barrel in, and it's just like, we
know exactly what Michael Parsons is, we know exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Who Krby Joseph is, exactly what Hutchinson is. Aiden Hutchinson's
the best player on one of the best teams in
the National Football League outside of maybe Penny Stool, either
one of them. Okay, so how is he ranked fifty fifth?
And then if somebody says, well, look at how many
games you missed last year, well that goes back to
the Kate Cunningham question of a year ago. Okay, so
there's a very little consistency. And that's again, there's no

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reason to get upset over it. I don't know why
I am. It gets my blood pressure a little bit.
It's because I don't know how people can objectively, and
that's the key word, objectively. How do you do that?
Can you do that? Most people cannot? Yeah, okay, and
I'm not gonna look at him and whistle, but most
people cannot do that because they're too attached. Separate yourself.

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So you think Micah Parson shouldn't be holding out for Dallas,
maybe you're pissed off at that, and you're one of
these voters. So what yeah, based off what the how
good this guy is? That dude is an absolute animal
on the defensive side of the ball, and every team.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Would want it.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
And I think that you should be upset about Hutch
because him sitting at fifty five. This guy dominated the
league last year and literally led the league in sacks
for the three games that he was out. Still, so
how you can't put him in the top twenty five,
I'm not sure. Now let me put you on the
spot shot, Alan Trammellou Whitaker. Are they Hall of famerous chief?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
For sure?

Speaker 7 (15:33):
They are? Now why aren't they in?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I've said, because there's a lot of stupid people who.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
Vote, and that's what it comes down to. I think,
ultimately the answer is the people that make these lists
are mostly dumbastic.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
There's a lot of really stupid people who vote this
nobody nobody takes yes, but nobody takes this and makes
somebody accountable for it. Think of it. And I've used
this example at nausea, so I don't mean to keep
going back to it. Somebody out there is looking at

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their ballot and they go Ken Griffy Junior, not today,
next somebody said that good. Somebody chose not to vote
for Joe DiMaggio. Somebody said Willie Mays wasn't good enough
today crazy, all right, it's absolutely insane. We're not talking
about borderline. I'm not talking about Todd Hilton, who I like,

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all right, I'm talking about all time greats. It took
until Mariojano Rivera as a reliever to get one hundred votes,
a relief picture, not an everyday guy, not a multiple MVP,
not Hank Aaron, not Ted Williams. It took a relief
picture to get one of the vote. Who in their

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right mind is voting These old curmudgeons who think they
know the game, invented the game smarter than you would
all costs. And that's the thing that pisses me off.
So Lou Whittaker, not many people saw him. Oh we
saw him get out of a limo when there was
a strike. That really chafed me. Oh okay, how about
the guys who weren't very nice in interviews? Does that change?

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That shouldn't matter. I don't care if Charles Barkley pushes
me into a wall like he did at the Palace.
I don't care if Ricky Henderson tells me to go
take a flying leap, or Randy Moss screams subscenities at
me like he did when it was at the Silver Note,
it doesn't matter to me. I have to be able
to look at them and say are you worthy? And
absolutely they are. And until you can do that, you

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shouldn't have a vote. Period. There were people who didn't
see Lou Whittaker play. Those people should be stripped of
their damn vote. I agree, because he was good enough
and better than most second basemen in a lot of categories.
In Cooperstown. Alan Trammel the same way. It's a if

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you want to talk about a lack of respect, go
right ahead. That's the lack of respect. Now, I can
sidestep and tell you the Tigers should do more. They
should be supporting Whittaker. They should have supported Lolich, they
should have supported Freehand, they should have supported Lance Parents.
For Christ's sakes, I can do that all day long
if I want. I'm not going to do that today

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because most of that is so far in the past.
But Whittaker belongs there period.

Speaker 7 (18:19):
Yeah, And it's it's a grudge based business. Unfortunately, these
old curmudgeon writers that you talked about. They they carry grudges.
I mean, like, listen, Mas, he knows how good of
a player Altva is. But if he had a vote
when it comes up wherever, whether he's ranking him or
whether he's up for the Hall of Fame, He's not
going to get Mas's vote.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Because he's emotional. He doesn't deserve a vote.

Speaker 7 (18:41):
But all of these guys are. I know a lot
of guys that have votes, some guys that have votes
for a Heisman and things like that. And I know
these guys from conversations that they carry sports grudges against
a guy that they've never even really met before. And
it's it don't have to meet them, Yeah, really to
watch that, you don't.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Have to meet them. You know what's really responsible? I
had a Heisman vote for years. What's really responsible is
why don't you call a coach you played against him,
go talk to a player who plays against them and
ask them a little bit. It doesn't take a lot
to do that, all right. Why Tom Masway has a
problem with jose L Twov, I don't know, Oh thinks

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he's a cheat or something like that. To I'm glad
he doesn't have a vote because anybody who says that
he's not trending anyway toward a Hall of Famer doesn't
know baseball, period.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
And I don't care.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'd say that to his face. It's ridiculous, it's stupid,
and it's the same thing that people have used against
Lew Whittaker and others. No, baseball, Separate your emotions, separate
your heart in your head, and you'll do a better
job of representing what the game is supposed to be
and whether or not the vote is deserving.

Speaker 7 (19:50):
All right, I'm gonna ask you to separate your head
and hard here. Harry Bonds Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, that's a different story. That's not Lew Whittaker. I'm
going I'm go, well, that is based off you know,
the allegations of cheating and doping and everything else. You've
got Mark McGuire's not there, and Sammy Sosa is not there,
and Roger Clemens isn't there, and Rafael Palmeyrow isn't there.
All have the same numbers, All have really good numbers.
I mean, Barry Bonds's number isn't even retired in Pittsburgh.

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What does that tell you?

Speaker 7 (20:18):
If you had the vote, what are you voting on?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
If I'm not voting for any of the other guys,
I'm not voting for.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
You get to vote on all five of those guys
you mentioned. What would you vote?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I think it's a really tough situation. I probably wouldn't
vote for them, but I would have to really think
long and hard. I don't have that vote. Yeah, I mean,
I've been one of those guys on that lone Ledge
who have said for it to be only Baseball writers
of America getting the vote is ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
You've got writers in there voting who will take road
trips off. But you've got a broadcaster who for ye
you're trying to tell me the Vin Scully and Ernie
Harwell and Harry Carey when he was sober, and guys
like Steve Stone who's an analyst. They don't deserve a vote,
But some of these writers do every Tigers game just

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about for the last twenty plus years. Who's seen more baseball?
Who's seen better players? And before people start to tell me, well,
they worry about, you know, the personal feelings. You know,
he's become close to the players, so he's more aptive.
Vote for his team.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
You don't think writers do it just the opposite, don't.

Speaker 10 (21:28):
The rider aren't The rider is the one that you
do the memoirs and all that stuff for these players.

Speaker 11 (21:32):
What do you mean the memoirs like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
But that's a lot of times that's after the writer
has retired in the players, y yeah. So, I mean
that's kind of the frustration I have with the Baseball
Hall of Fame in general and some of these lists.
I don't think you can honestly look at a football

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game that the Detroit Lions play and say that Aiden
Hutchinson or any team that plays, and say Aiden Hutchinson
is the fifty fifth best player in the national football
You want to rank him behind guys like Jamar Chase
and Joe Burrow and the that's fine, fifty five. You're
trying to find me fifty four players who.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Are better than that. Dude. I love it, though, absolute beast.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
I love it, to be honest though, because Detroit as
a whole, but especially the Lions, embrace the disrespect, they
embrace the underdog in them, and they love revenge. I mean,
I've never seen a team extract revenge the way that
the Lions do. And I know that it doesn't seem
like much, but I promise you Hutchinson's looking at that

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fifty five rank and it's pissing him off.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
If somebody brings it up. I don't think he's looking at.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
It at all.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
Oh, somebody brought it up. I promise you that.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
If I'm sure somebody did, I'll show them to five.
I don't the revenge thing. It's funny you say bring
that up, because Ricky and I were talking about that
just before we started the show. I'm the revenge thing
I think is so minimal. I don't think players go
through an entire training camp and saying, you know what,
we're gonna get back at Washington.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
Remember that Cowboys game last year?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Show?

Speaker 7 (23:07):
Everybody remember that Cowboys game last year? That was insult
an injury.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I remember it. Yeah for sure, Cowboys team, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
True, But they could have pulled the starters. They kept going,
They're doing trick plays.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
At the end of the game.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
They wanted more and more and they were.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
It was a little and one.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
Just wait, we'll see for sure if they're real about revenge.
When we played them.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
That you honestly think they played Washington and that's there
they're gonna have.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
That's their mentality.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
One.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
They ended their fifteen and two seasons the greatest season
in Lion's history, at least regular season.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I don't think I don't think that's what spurs them
all week long. Nope, that week.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think it will be.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Every time they break the huddlits like high school and
they say beat Washington.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
You don't think who you signed with on this one?

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Cool?

Speaker 9 (23:52):
Well, listen, I was gonna say. One of the things
actually endeared me to this team. You know, it's not
one of the main things, but it's one, is the
fact that they have had she taking these things personal.
I'm and Rabbi was asked about even a Pro Bowl.
He said, yeah, I'm pissed about it.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
I saw that.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
I think guys should be there. And what does the
chat usually say? Don't talk about that because the players
don't care about it. Their head is just about winning.
They actually have adopted this mentality of if it's out there,
if it's food, if it's bait, even if it's bait,
they still want to eat it.

Speaker 8 (24:20):
It's all theirs.

Speaker 9 (24:21):
And to me, I think that that's the right mentality
in the mindset that have if you're a player, if
it's something out there, if there's somebody out there making
a of some type of media perspective or can vote
for you.

Speaker 8 (24:32):
I do believe you go out there and you try
to prove everybody wrong.

Speaker 9 (24:35):
And they they have shown that they will use that
as some type of bulletin board material.

Speaker 8 (24:40):
Though I don't think it's their.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Motivation for they against Baltimore, but.

Speaker 7 (24:46):
They're still seeking revenge there.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
So we'll you can use Washington, you can use Washington
as example. I'll use Baltimore as an example.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I mean, they lost in Baltimore, they gotta play at Baltimore.
Let's see if that continues.

Speaker 7 (24:56):
I was just talking about NFC teams.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I.

Speaker 9 (24:59):
Mean they did about that as it relates to Seattle
sew and when they finally got that, they did talk
about the fact that they're like, man, it's just while
it feels so good to finally get over that hump
and please do this with the Baltimore Rifles has been
too long.

Speaker 7 (25:14):
But Dave Campbell just came out this last week and
they were asking him about if it bothered him and
drove him at all. The fact that everybody is saying,
maybe it was the assistance that made you all so good,
and he actually went out and said, oh, he's like,
I'll be honest, that's that's something that's spurring me on
to be even better this year.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well that's I think that's a little bit. But is
taking that's taking accomplishments away from somebody who has just
finish second Coach of the Year last year. That is
placing proof in the pudding with somebody other than an individual.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
You're right, but that's our leader, that's their leader. And
if he's willing to do that, he's willing to allow
all of his team to do that. He if he's
willing to take that kind of stuff from the media
talking about his assistance, I promise you he's willing to
put the score of the comedy's game up on the
board all day and week be like, we get to
go see these guys.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, well look he might do that. We'll see. I
don't think this is Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan.
I don't think it's anything like that, but it could be.
I don't know. I don't think that's what spurs professionals
on I don't think in the case of.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
The Lions, just in the case of this new BNL team,
I think they held grudges.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Man, sure didn't help held the Bills last.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
Year against the Bills.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
No, I'm talking about the Bills playing the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
We're not giving him that much credit. They should be pissed.
They are owned by Mahomes and the Chiefs and they
can't get over that humpet. They can in the regular season,
but certainly not in the playoffs. Man, that's a team
in one game of year where they absolutely should be
operated on grudge.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
No question. But I think with the especially in sports,
if if you let the emotion get the best of you,
you play out of control, no doubt. Yeah, I think
you have typically are with that. I know that's boring.
I get it. I get it's boring. I understand that.
But this is different. If it's an individual If if
somebody you know torched me for forty two, Not that

(27:17):
Mike mccaskal at Southfield ever did that, but if somebody
torched me for forty two and the next time I'm
matched up with them, Yeah, I can see that, but
I don't I have a hard time thinking that the
week of the Washington game, and I might be dead
wrong here that every Monday Tuesday, they get off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

(27:37):
and then when they check into the hotel on Saturday,
they're all about this is what I don't think it's
any different than any other week, for.

Speaker 10 (27:44):
No, but you have to understand how you felt when
what was his name, Mike, what was his name, Mike mccaskell.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
You said torch you for forty two? Uh uh?

Speaker 7 (27:53):
He said, he did, Mike.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
Yeah, but imagine Mike mc getting.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I didn't just so you know, I didn't guard him.
He was like he was just three really good high
school players Relayer, Michigan. They called him Springs.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
He was really good.

Speaker 10 (28:12):
I didn't think you're gonna say it again. This is
this is where it stems from. Like I said earlier,
I think it's gonna be personal like that. But there's
enough starters on this team that were on that team
last year. They're gonna look at the people who weren't
on that team and say, hey, you weren't here last year.
We literally that's a that's a quote from a Lions player.
You weren't here last year. This is this is what
this is. I think it's gonna be like that. It's

(28:34):
gonna be a personal vendetta.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Rather, we'll see that that will be interesting to hear
during during that week. And look, in fairness to Anson,
he said, just the Lions. I can bring up example
after example Cincinnati Bengals who couldn't get it done against Baltimore,
against Pittsburgh or whatever. Damn it, We've got all this
bulletin board material. We're gonna make the play not enough
straight three sit down, have a good offseason, you know

(28:58):
what I'm saying. So it's a it's a really fun discussion.

Speaker 8 (29:02):
Hap Yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 9 (29:03):
And we have a pretty big super chat from mister
Superchat himself. Dante one five to one nineteen ninety nine says,
you are one hundred percent correct. It's so stupid that
certain people aren't in the Hall of Fame. As Maxwell
Jacob Freeman once said, all of you are a bunch.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Of marks where.

Speaker 9 (29:22):
When someone new appears, you go head over heels for them.
So shout out to Dante one five to one, and
just another another super chat here.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
From Michael Werry two dollars.

Speaker 9 (29:33):
Superchat says the Hall of Fame seems like a secret club.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Of good old boys.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't disagree with that. Look, this guy's in the
Hall of Fame. But Eachi O Suzuki, somebody said, no, crazy,
I don't get it. I mean if I said, if
I gave you a resume of a guy, and I said,
he's won three World Series, he's an MVP of one
of them. Okay, uh, he's a six time All Star,
all right, he's a Championships Series MVP, and he's got

(30:03):
over three thousand strikeouts.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
All right.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
He's also in the postseason eight and two in his career.
Would you say that's Hall of Fame worthy?

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Sure, hope.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
So, yeah, that's Kurt Shilling. So I thought you were
he's not in it. And by the way, I'm sorry
I was wrong. He's eleven and two. He's eleven and
two in his postseason career with a two point two
three e r A.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
How is Shell not in there? That makes no sense?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Why, of course you do?

Speaker 7 (30:30):
Is is he tainted with drugs?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
They say no, he's tainted with certain views that people
don't agree with.

Speaker 7 (30:35):
Ah, I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Don't know that. That yeah exactly. That dude like that's
that's a per I think he's the ultimate. I think
he's the ultimate example of how people just can't let
certain things go and feel like I just I can't
draw myself to do it.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
Holier than now. They're perfect, the only only perfect people
do that set.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
You're right, they're perfect. I want you to think about that.
Form it like even his regular season, I think he's
won two fewer games than Max Schers or maybe three,
and sure has hes got three cy young, so it's
probably not a great comparison, but his er in his career,
and he spent eighteen years on the bump, twenty years
on the bomb, twenty years is three point four. That's
still pretty damn good. But his postseason numbers are off

(31:21):
the hook at eleven and two of the two point
two era, and he's got over three thousands to recoufs.
Those are usually tickets to Cooperstown. And there are people
who vote who said not today, not on my.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Watch, and yet Ty Cobbs in there. He should be
in there.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
You have more votes than anybody in the first cars
I know, but why shouldn't People didn't like him?

Speaker 7 (31:44):
Cap Anson another example a guy that's in there that
I might he should be, But I'm just saying as
a human being, if he were to be voted now
on people might say, no, ty Cobb's not getting in
because of the human being that he was.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well, are you talking about the Tommy Lee Jones movie
that was strictly Hollywood and had nothing to do with it?

Speaker 7 (32:05):
No, I'm just okay, I'm talking about the rumors that
people have talked about.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
But that's that's the key word.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
I wasn't alive then, so I'm not speaking to it.
I'm just saying either. But him and cap Ansen are
both guys that interrears. People say we're bad human beings,
great ballplayers.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
A lot of that has been proven.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
Faults about ty konk Well, good, okay, thing, I'm not
trying to I'm not trying to just go about ty Coonon.
I'm talking about all the people in the past that
have all this problems that that they were doing in
a different era.

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Speaker 2 (37:24):
Bet it's got a few likes, shall we. Let's make
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In the somebody had just reminded us Anson knows that
Emmon Trample's Hall of Famer. He knows that, Okay, So
I know. He said, you think Alan Trick?

Speaker 7 (37:42):
He was just the Tram and Loop conversation. Yeah, if
one's in, I believe ball should be in.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
You think what I think?

Speaker 7 (37:49):
If I think both of them should be in or neither,
there's there's such similar players in what they did. They're
both Hall of famers to me. But it's it's always
been the Tram and Lou conversation.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, I'm in a storybook scene. They were going together, right,
we'd be pretty storybook. But so this has been my
stance for a long time, and it's controversial, and that's okay.
I don't care. Until two years ago, his number wasn't
even retired. If a team can't retire somebody's number, how

(38:23):
is the baseball world expected to have similar or better,
more glorious views of that individual.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
If you're not respected at home, you're not respected nationally typically.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
So so to me, this is maybe very minor. I've
said this at nauseam. They should have it. They should
have a statue out there of Tramla and Whitaker. I
don't know if it's them turning the double play ads
next to each other one and it should have been
done a long time ago, all right, And I'm not

(38:58):
one of those guys who believes everybody gets at you, right,
Like the Lakers are putting one up for pat Riley
won three rings there and justifiably so their greatest coach. Right,
why don't the Wings have one for Scotty Bowman? I'm
just wondering. Okay, he's arguably the greatest coach, not just

(39:18):
in hockey history, but maybe in professional sports history before
Bill Belichick. Scotty Bowman was the greatest coach in sports
history to what he was able to do. Okay, why
don't they have one? If you think that's a little
too much, and geez, you're gonna run out of room,
there's plenty of places around co America Park you could
have a statue of Trammelin Whittaker, of Jack Morris. Justin

(39:40):
Verlander is gonna get one, I would guess absolutely, Miguel Cabrera,
these are all warranted. Okay, But if if the Tigers
aren't willing to say, you know what, number one's our guy,
we're gonna give it to Jose Flipp and Iglesias. It
means so much to us, then how's the rest of
baseball expected to treat one of your own time greats.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
You can't. You're not respected at home, you're not respected nationally.
And and a lot of Detroit teams have either missed
guys or put too many up there. I mean we
were talking earlier today. I mean, I love me some microwave,
love Rip Hamilton, But are those guys should they be
retired or is it just the fact that we don't
have enough numbers up there?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I agree with you, and it's not it's not taking
anything away from them.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
I'm sorry, Christmas Nation, you go. You know I love
my guys.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
You don't have to you don't have to apologize. I mean, look,
it's it's a very subjective. I get it that the
team's decided it. The team feels like it's worthy, then
I respect it. Saragai Federoff is finally going to have
number ninety one retired. Kudos to the Wings for that,
but it's taken a long time, way too long, way

(40:49):
too long.

Speaker 7 (40:50):
The Russians had to do it in order for us
to get the memo, it seems like, because after they
put it up, it sees Ska Arena the next thing,
you know, the next day, after everybody's crying about it,
sure enough the Red Wings make an announcement and it's
way overdue.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, way overdue.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
There has been a big debate now online on what
you do with Zetterberg, what you do with dot Souk.
I've always felt the Red Wings probably handled it better
than any other team in the market. I think it
took somebody to be really special for you to have
your number retired. But this dude was special. I mean,

(41:27):
this guy was This guy was the greatest player on
skates for an extended period of time. I get why
there's a little bit of animosity there, you know, the
Czech Carolina, all that other stuff, and so that probably
hurt his chances of having number ninety one retired. But again,
if I'm asking fans and I'm asking talk show hosts

(41:50):
and I'm asking members of our media brethren to put
the emotions aside. You can do the same thing with
teams in general, can't you?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Hope?

Speaker 7 (42:00):
I would think so. I mean, I had a question
for you that just went went out of my head
with Fetter Off. You know, the way that he left.
People are still bitter about it. But to me, when
I look at at somebody like him, I doesn't matter
how he left, It matters what he did here. And

(42:22):
this is one of the greatest players in Detroit sports history.
My question for you is, if you had to choose
one between Zeberger dat Suit, who would it be?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Probably?

Speaker 7 (42:32):
Really?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's split in hairs. So you mentioned
how he left. Do you have a problem with how
Justin Verlander left? I know he was traded, but I.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
Have a problem with what we got back for him.
Well that's about it.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Everybody does. Yeah, but seriously, and by the way, all three,
all those guys were all top fifteen prospects in Houston's
farm system. Sure, so I got a problem with it.
I think we got a bigger problem than because of
what happened afterwards.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
Right, Sure, the Monliners have a problem with Cameron Mayben
as well.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Well, maybe not even as much with Cameron Mayban, but
absolutely with Jacob Turner. Because Cameron Maybin actually had a nice,
long career and love him, worked with him for a
long time, did a really good job at the Booth,
I thought, and got unceremoniously dismissed. But do we have
a problem with Justin Verlander. Everybody wants Justin Verlander to
come back, and everybody's worried that he's going to go

(43:27):
into the Hall of Fame in he Houston astro instead
of an Old English day, an Old English d because
he is a Hall of Famer, you hope he goes
in as a Tiger. I don't know if he will
or not. He had just as much success in Houston
as he did in Detroit. But that's what I hear
all the time about feder Off, because it seemed like
he wanted.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
To leave right yestly.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Is it fair to say Matthew Stafford wanted to leave?
No question, Okay most people, most of us would have
agreed with that. Most Lions fans would say, I mean,
you're wearing paper bags at Ford Field. You're embarrassed to
have conversations with friends from out of town who are
thinking are fans of other football teams, and we got
to bring up the Lions. But we're pissed because the

(44:07):
guy says, you know what, I've had enough. You're bringing
in a new brass, you're bringing a new coaching staff.
I'm not going through this anymore because he doesn't trust them.
But we've got a problem with that. Would his number
be retired at ford Field? Would you retire number nine?
He's probably gonna be a Hall of Fame player.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
He is a Hall of Fame player.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Okay, So if he's a Hall of Fame player and
the Hall of Fame brings him into canon, I don't
think he's the first ballot. Do you think Ford Field
retires number nine?

Speaker 7 (44:34):
Well, that's a hell of a question, chep I. I
don't want him up personally because because of his comments
after that game. And that's a sports writer grudge. A
perfect example of it. When he was asked if he
was happy for the Detroit fans twice, he went out
of his way to make sure that he did not

(44:54):
say that he was didn't say that he wasn't. But
you know, Stick and I always battled over whether he
was a Hall of Fame guy when he was still
here in Detroit. Now he's got you know, stat Padford statistics,
playing from behind, having to throw the ball as much
as he did.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
That's because his running games sucked.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Yeah, and his team was terrible for the majority of
the time that he was here. But the fact is,
of current players, before he was traded to the Rams,
he was had some of the craziest stats of any quarterback.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah they weren't, you said, stat Patford, Pat Stafford, or
whatever you said.

Speaker 7 (45:33):
Well, it's people trying to minimize his accomplishments. To me,
I told Stick that he was a Hall of famer. Stick,
it drove him crazy. Now, the fact that he has
a ring, and again it doesn't matter when you get
those stats in the fourth court of a loss or
in the first half of a win. Fact is that
his stats are top ten quarterback stats of all time. Now,

(45:53):
it's a passing league and it's a little different, But
at the same point, this guy was a Hall of
Famer or on his path to be when he was
traded from here. You get that chip and do what
he's done as a Ram, and he's certainly a Hall
of famer. I I'd rather see him retire ram. I
don't need him to retire a Tiger or a Lion. Now. Verlander,
on the other hand, that exit was different, and then

(46:16):
his return to Detroit's have been different.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
So but before you dive into that, just real quick.
So you have a problem with what he said after
a loss ten minutes after it was a bitter loss,
but that washes away all the good that he did
here in the community and all the things he said
about Detroit brings one ten one comment ten minutes after

(46:40):
the hardest the hardest losses that is that is incredibly
simple mind.

Speaker 7 (46:45):
But what's not simple minded is Detroit minded? And what
it does not it is? No, it's not, it is,
And it brings your conversation full circle. And the fact
that some of these people that have votes shouldn't have them.
They should let me vote on whether his numbers in
the rapt because I am a bitter fan, sports writer,
sports commentator, or whatever. And a simple moment where he

(47:08):
attacked my city and my detroiters, it pissed me off
to the point where I don't want him in the rafters.
So yes, you could say it's simple minded. I'll say
it's Detroit minded, But at the end of the day,
it's a perfect answer to the topic you started, which
is the fact that these sports writers make decisions based
on their hearts instead of their heads off.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Have you ever criticized your city? Oh yeah, hell yeah,
so it's okay for you to do that.

Speaker 7 (47:35):
Well no, I mean I'm talking about I'm talking about
all those meters they put all along the streets I
used to park for free after COVID. That's my criticism
of this great city of Detroit. Maybe I'm a patriotic Detroiter,
you know.

Speaker 9 (47:50):
I love it as Detroit cool aid. This is the
reason why this thing started is because there's always.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
Going to be somebody hating on Detroit.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I don't have to be especially somebody that there's always
somebody hating.

Speaker 7 (48:02):
On a lot of cities, like come on, come on,
what have hated the last years?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Out of curiosity? Where have you guys been outside Detroit?

Speaker 7 (48:12):
And I've lived in Russia, I've lived, I've lived.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I don't think you don't think those cities get ripped on.

Speaker 7 (48:19):
Nobody Nobody gets ripped on like.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Detroit.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
Bro. For whatever reason, it was a lightning rod.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
It was the easy town to be able to kick while.

Speaker 8 (48:32):
They capital of the world. I heard, dang, you're from Detroit.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
Also never introduced yourself from where else?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Michigan?

Speaker 8 (48:41):
Whoa goodness, gracious, We're sorry for you.

Speaker 10 (48:44):
It's just like, what but you've also never introduced yourself
from somewhere else. You don't know if other people, I
imagine somebody else from DC gets the same thing with
somebody from you.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Don't think people from from New York get it.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
People definitely get.

Speaker 7 (49:00):
But New York's the greatest city in the world. Everybody
says Detroit is the arm of the Midwest. Everybody I don't.
I certainly don't.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I really think we love to play that out.

Speaker 7 (49:12):
Yes, we've embraced it, for sure, but we've had to.
We've had to because up until the last ten it is,
and up until the last ten years, as we've watched
our great city come back up, it was a very
real thing. And I've traveled a lot, and everywhere I go,
they do they look at you, Oh my god, are
you are you safe? You know it's now now. When

(49:34):
I go to Mexico, people are like, do you feel
safe down there? Like, bro, you and I left after
hours on five mile at five thirty in the morning,
we are you talking about man? But no, I believe
that there is a stigma against Detroit. I believe that
it's starting to be broken. And the stigma against Detroit
teams and a proper one because of the fifteen years
of futility here is starting to be broken as well,

(49:56):
thanks to our Lions first and now our Pistons as
well as our Tigers.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I think all of that is fair. The whole Stafford thing.
For you to be tenth all time in passing yards,
tenth all time and touchdowns and you're gonna climb this year,
he'll climb. I don't know if it's his last year
or not. And again, I don't think he's a first
ballot guy, but I think he has numbers that are
associated with other Hall of Fame passers.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
If he doesn't win a ring, is he's still a
Hall of Famer? Because I believe so.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
That's a that's a really good question. Here's here's the
pushback I get from it from friends. He's got a
losing record, so does Joe Namath. So you know, okay,
just so you know, Joe Namath fifty percent completion rate
more picks than touchdowns. Under five hundred is a career.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
I wonder how many more of those there are.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I think there might be one at QB. Yeah, at QB, Yeah,
not many. There's there's not many. So Frank Target, you
would know. Frank Target had a lot of wins.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh yeah, a lot of wins, but no super Bowls. Okay.
And so before people go, well, he only on one
super Bowl, Joe Namath, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, they all
won one super Bowl. And if you're gonna use super Bowls,
then I guess Eli Manning belongs in the Hall of Fame, okay,
because he's got two super Bowls, all right, and he
was the MVP of both.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
So I think it's it's interesting how we make these debates,
and they're fun. They're really fun debates because you can
always CounterPunch with certain things like that.

Speaker 7 (51:23):
I think, well, before they go we go there, I
need to know where do you want Matt Stafford's jersey
retired in la or in Detroit?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Well, I wouldn't you only get one?

Speaker 7 (51:35):
You only get one?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I wouldn't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I'm not sure I would retire it either quite honestly,
my man, I don't know, man. I think it's it's
going to take some digestion for you to figure that out.
We started this with Sarahgai Federoff because that should have
been done a long time ago. How well do the
Lions do things? That's a big question Right.

Speaker 7 (51:58):
Now they're starting to. I'm a lot better, that's for.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Sure, absolutely, because I think she lives done a wonderful job.
I think Spielman doesn't get enough credit. Brat Holmes is phenomenal.
You know how I feel about it. In Brad Holmes,
we trust. However, that doesn't mean you do everything right,
and you sure heaven think about it for a moment.
Number twenty has been worn by three different players, and
all three players were great. Len Barney was great. He's

(52:22):
in the Hall of Fame. Barry Sanders is the Hall
of Fame. I know Monica McNutt of ESPN doesn't realize
that because of what she said yesterday, what an absolute
She'll miss that somebody was on her show and she says, Okay,
let's get real. You've got you've got Sanders. This guy's
got a Barry Sanders jersey on backwards. It says Sanderson.

(52:44):
A Lion's not Oklahoma State, it's not a Pro Bowl.
And she's like, so you got Schadure Sanders jersey on,
let's get real, holl it. Shador Sanders is number twelve,
not number twenty. His flame is brown and orange, not
Honolulu blue and silver. I mean, holy crap, that's what
you're dealing with. But I digress. The reason we started, though,

(53:09):
is because this guy's should have been a long time ago.
But the Lions you're hoping, you're hoping that things are
turning around. I'm not saying you just retired jerseys for
the sake of retirement. Calvin Johnson's jersey should have been retired.
Barry Sanders lembarney. Barry Sanders should have been worning number
twenty one like he wore at Oklahoma State. Billy Simms,
as much as I love him, and he was great

(53:30):
until he got injured. Billy Simms wore twenty at Oklahoma
should not have had the chance to wear number twenty.
They're not the only franchise to do that. Other franchises
do it constantly. Hell, the Tigers let Ian Kins will
wear number three. Okay, they let Gary Sheffield wear number three.
They let Jose, they let Jose Iglesias wear number one.

(53:52):
That doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
The retired number two and for the Pistons is a
bit ridiculous, though shout out. I love Arta Rich, I
love him, but you're he did wear an actual number,
So I don't think that that one was too for.

Speaker 9 (54:07):
It being there for so long with the family kind
of until it was, like I do believe And when
you combine that with the other jerseys that have gone
up that you don't believe should that was at least
what I was getting at.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, that's if it's not a jersey, that's just a
number to associate a pro.

Speaker 7 (54:28):
You know, I wore a suit every day. I was
a head coach for four years of a basketball team,
high school basketball team. And all these dudes twice my
age wearing their sweatsuit warm ups. What are you dressing
like that for?

Speaker 6 (54:42):
Well?

Speaker 7 (54:42):
Watch while I beat your ass, Daddy Rich.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
He said, if I ever was a coach, I'm bringing
back the suits.

Speaker 7 (54:47):
Oh hell yeah, man in the NBA today, Yes, please shap.

Speaker 9 (54:51):
I hate my high school coach. It was now later Gators.
It was trench coats.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
It was suits.

Speaker 8 (54:57):
He came French. Oh yeah, coach farm.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
That's a that's a look at meme he's.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Missing got yeah, I would wear it with it is Michigan.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
That's an It's This is an interesting conversation because, first
of all, my wife has always said it's embarrassing that
managers wear uniforms because they're more often I've never understood
that the more oftentimes than not. They're they're overweight, they're
out of shape, they're older. It's not a it's not
a complimentary look. Okay that aside. Personally, I like what
a J.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
Hinch does.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
He wears a he was a pullover. He wears, you know,
a sweatshirt in the fall when they're going to be
playing in the Alcs and all those other things. But
he still wears the pants and he wears you know,
the shoes. I guess they're not cleats. But basketball and
the NFL, especially because I'm Mike McDaniel, who looks like,
you know, a cartoon on the sideline. For as much

(55:53):
as for as much as these guys make for them
to wear, what they wear I think is a little
you know, cool kool aid. And Ricky always used the
word disrespectful. I think it disrespects the game a little bit.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
Belichick started the trend, you know, the hoodie they call him.
But I grew up on basketball. That was my first
major love. And pat Riley and Chuck Day established a
protocol and it wasn't a trend. It was a protocol.
And now it's gone completely backwards. I could talk about
this all day.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Well, they didn't establish it. They established high end suits.
Doug mow wore sports coaches. Sure, he just looked it
looked like a picnic. Take. Yeah, that's the difference. Oh yeah, okay,
so that was but they had always gone suits. I
mean Lenny Wilkins war suits. So these guys all wore suits.
Those guys took it to another level where they wanted
to look like they were high end, and they were.

Speaker 7 (56:47):
And then the other coaches kind of followed suit. And
you had everybody in the NBA dressing well. And now
where are you at on that kool aid? Do you
do you have an issue with the way that head
coaches dressed in the NBA?

Speaker 8 (56:58):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Know?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Man?

Speaker 9 (57:00):
You know I was one who came up where my
coaches they dressed nice.

Speaker 8 (57:04):
They weren't necessarily in track suits.

Speaker 9 (57:07):
Or in like the gym ware or whatnot. They dressed
nice and it looked like almost like some I don't know,
is it like eighties or.

Speaker 8 (57:14):
Seventies, like gangster type? You know, it just looked good.

Speaker 9 (57:18):
And for us when they spoke, when they told us stuff,
at least as kids, it was definitely like, yo, you better,
you don't want that now, lay to get up.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yah. You know.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
But but this is different. This is the NBA, this
is in high school. So how do you feel about
that aspect of it? Knowing full and by the way,
I would take it one step further. I don't think
it's just the coaches. I think it's an embarrassment when
any player, whether it be Kaide Cunningham or Jalender, what
they wear on the sidelines when they're not playing. I

(57:49):
think that's just as bad, if not worse than what
the coaches.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
They look like they're sitting course side instead of on
the team.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, they dressed nicer to go to the club. I'm sorry. Cool,
So I cut you off. Keep going. No, I was
gonna say.

Speaker 8 (58:03):
As it relates to the NBA, I believe it works.

Speaker 9 (58:06):
You see a guy like Jamie Bickerstaff he's dressed more
in the sports gear he'll have maybe like the Pistons
polo on.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, coach, you do that. He's on the suit though.

Speaker 8 (58:15):
No, no, no, not the suit.

Speaker 9 (58:16):
And I think that that resonates with especially some of
these younger players today because of what AAU basketball is.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
The way JB.

Speaker 9 (58:24):
Bickerstaff dresses is a little bit more on line with
what AAU coaches were versus you go back maybe two
decades ago, where you find some coaches that were still
dressing maybe in suits or dressing a little bit nicer,
And especially if you go back before that, it seemed
like suits was just the thing.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah, I'm just wondering, So what's your stance on it?
You like the look? This really happened in COVID, by
the way, it didn't and they just they just kept
going with it. But do you like the look or
you don't like the look? You're kind of dancing around it.
It's okay if you JB. Bickerstaff, He's gonna still answer
your question.

Speaker 8 (58:56):
I kind of like the suit look.

Speaker 7 (58:57):
I like the suit the wrong if you ask somebody
else's coach more honest.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
I.

Speaker 6 (59:04):
Wonder what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, he's worried this is going to hit social media,
and Jamie Bickers says, go, I'm not answering your question.
A suit, damn it. You want me to come in.

Speaker 8 (59:21):
A press conference?

Speaker 6 (59:23):
Got to wear a suit?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
No, I'm not saying we gotta tell him. I think
it's a bad look. I don't think it makes the
organization or the league look very good. But I would
say the same thing. I'm not being hypocritical here. I
would say the same thing about players who aren't playing
that night. Listen, you said the same thing about the media. Okay,
So I am very consistent on this. I went to

(59:44):
a Michigan press conference a year ago football press conference.
I'm looking around. I see all these kids. They look
like they just got off, you know, some type of
motorcycle ride. There's there's very little pride when it comes
to that, very.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
Little, And that used to be a big thing.

Speaker 10 (01:00:00):
I remember in high school, before before he made Varsa,
we had to wear suits. But then certain games you
can wear your jersey. Even that had to be worn
a certain way. But nothing beats so well Taylor's suit man.
That's that's been the same of all time, and anybody
and the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
People they have people who go in and sell them.
They sell them customede suits. It's not like they don't
have them at home. They do.

Speaker 7 (01:00:19):
But when you enter a boardroom, you meet somebody on
the street, any situation, a man dressed in a suit
carries more presents than a dude in a track suit.

Speaker 10 (01:00:30):
No, one day in my life, I will wear suits
every single day. One day, one day, I'll feel it'll
get there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah, don't, don't, don't disagree, one person said. One person
said in the chat, too many man persons. I would
second that as well, but but to each his own right.
I wouldn't care as long as they looked a little
bit more represented. As long as they looked a little
bit more representable. Okay, Yeah, I just.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
Are bad for you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Un to find my walletulous.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
My wife?

Speaker 10 (01:01:09):
Boy, we're about steak because you imagine saying I'm just talking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
To you like, yeah, I would have to. I would
have to interrupt you and say what what, what the
hell you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
What are you doing? Then?

Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
No, I'm taking us a strong stance on the on
the merse man, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Say I think most of the chat is with us
on that look, I am not asking every NFL coach
to look like Tom Landry. I just it wouldn't hurt out.
But when Matt Patricia was here, I know, when Matt
Patricia was here, everybody thought he looked like a.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
And I don't know if it was the beard. I
don't know if it was the hat or.

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
The four wheeler.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
But well whatever, I mean, whatever you want to choose
to drive, you don't have to drive a next six
as far as I'm concerned to get. But Dan Campbell
wears a hat, Nobody says anything about. Dan Campbell wears
a sweatshirt. Nobody says anything about. It's cause Dan Campbell's
in shape because he does he does updowns, and instead
Matt Patricia's updown with this?

Speaker 8 (01:02:13):
What hapen does Dan Campbell waar?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
What do you mean? Grit? Sometimes he wears grit, Sometimes
he wears lines.

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Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Every week, every week. A lot of people in the
chat rip it on Matt Patricia and rightfully so. Some
I'm saying he's the only coach we've seen right around
in a card all day. Wayne Fonce did it a
little bit. Darryl Rogers I believe did it a little bit.
But yeah, it's a bad look.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
That it is. It's just a flat out bad look
for a coach to be unless they've got a broken
foot or s. And yeah, some people are saying you
expect the NFL coaches to wear suits. No, not necessarily.
I think I've moved on from that just a little bit.
I would like not. I'm not. Do you remember Mike Nolan.
Mike Nolan was a coach for the San Francisco forty

(01:09:04):
nine ers. Do you remember he wore the vest all
the time. It's not like it makes some good good
head coaches. There was a standard in the NFL coaching community.
I don't think anybody wears a suit anymore. I can't
think of one coach go on either. Okay, it's I

(01:09:24):
suppose a lot of it is comfort and a lot
of it. Look, you're on the sidelines, you're standing all day.
I would wear comfortable shoes, but for some reason, tennis
shoes with suits seems to be fine. Maybe it's just
too much with all the you know, remember Tom Landry
never wore a headset. I know that was the big deal.
With Brady Holk, Oh my god, I can't believe he
doesn't wear a headset. There's a lot of coaches who haven't.

(01:09:45):
Warren headsets doesn't mean that they're the best coach in
the world. And just staying Don Schula didn't wear a headset.
Tom Landry didn't wear a headset. Joe Gibbs started his
career didn't wear a headset. But the point is, maybe
because there's so much communication and there's so much advanced technology,
that may it gets in the way. I don't know.
I just would like him to look a little bit
more representable. I don't think there's any excuse in the

(01:10:05):
NBA the NFL. Maybe I can get away with it
a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
Ricky, you know how dialed in the suit would be
on shep if he was stocking the sidelines for an
NFL team.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Dude, let me tell you something. One of the favorite
things of mine is to go into men clothing stores.
It's hard for me to leave without buying something interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
You're so, oh my god, he's been dressed for the
Nines as long as I've been watching him broad But I.

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
Also know he's been in his game for a while,
so he you know, he's he's probably got a nice
little closet built that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I'm very fortunate. Yeah, I would say this. A few
years ago, I was in New York City. Tigers are
playing the Yankees. We had an off day. A lot
of people like I'm going to the US Open. Tennis
chose to pass. So I walked down the street from
the hotel. About three blocks on the left is this
clothing store. So I go in there, and I said

(01:10:58):
to myself prior to not buy.

Speaker 10 (01:11:00):
Something, do not buy I know exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
I actually went shopping for tennis shoes and I went
two suits. I got derailed, And that's exactly what I
think about. I bought two suits. Man, the guy got
me fitted and the next day I picked one up
and I worred on TV that night.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
Man, what decade did you start really dressing the part?

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
You know, my dad was always a really good dresser,
So I think for me, I think it was pretty.
Look if you're on TV, I think you've got to
look good personally.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
Did you ever go to Lostanza back in the day
down here in Birmingham, No, I am. That was like
the first men's couture spot in Metro Detroit back in
the seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Is so obviously gone now it is. That was that
was a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Huh. I was for the.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
Former mayor of Birmingham, Bob de Laura and a guy
named Dale Wells Open That.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Wow, sounds like you either worked there or somebody you
know shop.

Speaker 7 (01:11:54):
I grew up in there. Yeah, my dad was one
of the only but it was the first men's coutur
in Metro Detroita from a spot down in Detroit. Because
you guys have been dressing for a very you guys,
the brothers, you guys, you guys have brought style to Detroit.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
First.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
Let me ask you, Ricky, has African American just been
completely like retired.

Speaker 10 (01:12:22):
You can just call me black. I'm cool with it,
you know. That's just look, man, just say what you
want to say and you will be okay, Ricky Detroit,
if you're not trying to find somebody.

Speaker 7 (01:12:34):
The Detroit Blacks brought style to men first in this state.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
I felt, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the
answer to that, but I do know this. Ricky's as
reel as.

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
It gets, stones break my boneset carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Well said, you know, and and that's a that's an oldie,
but a goodie. Let's let's get to another topic, and
that it is football relate. The Bengals are pursuing or accepting,
not pursuing, but accepting, you know, people's phone calls for
trade with Trey Hendrickson. I think they've been receiving the
phone calls for a while. They've just made it public now.

(01:13:15):
And Trey Hendrickson's a hell of a player.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I love him. I do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
It's gonna make roughly fifteen sixteen million dollars this year
in order for him to even get on the practice
field and the training camp roster. He wants to make
sure he gets his due. I don't blame him for
that either. I don't like how he's going about it.
I sure don't respect how Cincinnati's gone about it. But
he wants an extension, a TJ. Watt like extension. Some

(01:13:42):
believe that it's got to be somewhere in the neighborhood
of about thirty one million dollars. So it's not TJ. Watt,
all right, it's not Miles Garrett, but it's somewhere in
that neighborhood, which he's worth it for what he's done
seventeen and a half sacks each of the last two years.
The speculation is it would call you a young defensive
player and a first round pick for next year. A

(01:14:06):
would you do it? B? Who would be the young
defensive player? I don't give a crap about the draft pick.
To me, it means nothing when you're picking low and
you're gonna have more draft picks later. I think Brad
Holmes has proven he's done a really good job with
late draft picks. I think first rounders are starters, but
for that type of talent, I get it. It's the

(01:14:28):
biggest problem I have is, first of all, it's almost
a moot point because you're not gonna You're not picking
up a guy for thirty one million dollars in paying
Aiden Hutchinson. You're just not doing that. It's not gonna
be seventy million dollars at the defensive end position. But
I wonder what people would think of which young defensive
player you'd be willing to.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
Part with give amnace Regstraw.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I think Cincinnati's done, but they're not that dumb.

Speaker 7 (01:14:51):
You're right with both of those comments. I can't name
a player because there's no player that i'd give up
along with one with a first round pick, along with
having to pay him thirty million dollars to bring him here.
I don't believe that that's in this current Regime's DNA either.
We haven't seen them bring in guys and extend them

(01:15:14):
the only guy that we didn't draft ourselves that we
extended on a large, large contract. So mister Jared goff
this team. And it seems like all these teams in
Detroit right now are dedicated to their own system, to
their own talent evaluators and their own draft picks. And
plus you look back and I don't see many of

(01:15:36):
these outside of the Matt Stafford trade. These these big
time deals where you're sending multiple first round picks or
other players with a first round pick, they just don't
lead to championships. In fact, they lead to quick downfalls.
And what we've seen Hampford and Spielman and Dan and
Brad create is something that is sustainable and long term.

(01:16:00):
And unfortunately, Detroit Lions fans are starving so badly for
a championship that I've heard many people, not only just
at the station but throughout the city that say that
they would trade the playoffs for the rest of time
for one championship. And I'm not down with that. And
I know that ownership's not because they got to sell tickets.

(01:16:21):
And what they said when they got together in Allen
Park five years ago or whatever it was, they said,
let's be great for ten, fifteen, twenty years a perennial
playoff team, and to do that, you can't mortgage your
future in order to bring that in. I saw Brian
Branch's name in that trade. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:16:39):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Can I play Devil's advocate?

Speaker 7 (01:16:41):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
How many teams are paying high end salaries to two safeties?

Speaker 7 (01:16:47):
None? I can't think of one. Yeah, yeah, But at
the same point, how.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Many there in lies an issue. And here's the other
issue with the Trey hendricks And trade. By the way,
and this is a really cool graphic right here, like
and kool aid and Ricky of Hendrickson mocked.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Up as a lion.

Speaker 7 (01:17:04):
He looks good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Look at his numbers, like somebody in the chat said,
he's already old. He's thirty, man, that's not old. TJ.
Watts thirty? Do you think he's old? And he just
got the three year extensions. We only have a careful.

Speaker 7 (01:17:15):
Eight or nine players on the ninety man roster that
are above thirty years old. Okay, And not to say that, yeah,
and not to say that, but if you look at
the guys that are over thirty, like I told everybody, angelone,
he's not getting an extension. I thought I was crazy. Yeah,
so this is probably Khalif's last year. The other guy,
David Montgomery's, the other guys are on the offensive line.

(01:17:36):
But to me, this team has a They've shown us
what they're going to do, and they might trade up
in the draft to get a guy they like, but
they're not giving up big time assets to go and
pluck some unhappy player, disgruntled player for even as a
star from another team.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Well, the just guys on the offensive line you mentioned
Dekran Glasgow, DJ Reider is another.

Speaker 7 (01:17:57):
One, yep. Okay, and he's gone after this year too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Yeah, so I think they've they've positioned themselves pretty well.
The thing I wonder about, not mean, Brian Branch is
probably my you know, he's top three, one of my
favorite players on my favorite He was right there. Frank
Ragnow was my favorite. Aiden Hutchinson's right there. Brian Branch
is right there. I don't want him going anywhere, But
I do wonder about that a little bit. If you're

(01:18:20):
gonna throw all your chips in on Kirby Joseph, are
you willing to pay two safeties high end money because
Branch deserves it? Okay? Are you willing to do that
with defensive ends? Why would you do it with defensive end.
I don't think there's a team in football that has
two bookends that make you go hole, look out. Okay,
So let me give you an example. Will Anderson, who

(01:18:43):
I think is awesome, and Daniel Hunter might be the
closest thing to it that I can think of.

Speaker 7 (01:18:49):
Let me double down on that question. Last twenty five
years in the twenty first century, name a team that
had two dominant, high paid defensive ends at one and one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Yeah, so you've seen defensive ends and you've seen like
defensive tackles, like, for example, Jerome Brown was a really
good defensive tackle for Philadelphia and Reggie White at the
same time, Chase Young was on a one year deal
in San Francisco with Bosa at the other end. I
don't think they were both high end, highly paid. That's

(01:19:17):
the difference, and I think that's the same way it
is today. The cap, the NFL cap is two hundred
and seventy nine million, two hundred and seventy nine million dollars.
It's gonna go up. Detroit does have cap space. According
to sport Track, Detroit has the second most cap space
in the National Football League, but you can be successful.

(01:19:42):
Denver's a really good example of it. The Denver Broncos,
some would consider to be one of the best, if
not the best defense going into twenty twenty five Dash
twenty six. They don't have that stud defensive pass rusher.
They got six different guys who had five sacks a
year ago. Pittsburgh you got t J. Watt, who I
just brought up, who's thirty years old? Is it Alex

(01:20:05):
high Smith? Is it Nick Horbeg? Which one is it?
Neither one of them are households names outside of Pittsburgh.
Minnesota Jonathan Greenard who's got twelve sacks a year ago,
and Andrew van Ginkel who had eleven sacks a year ago,
but neither one are considered top ten at their positions.

(01:20:25):
So I think you can do it. You just need
that guy who's opposite Aiden Hutchinson to be really healthy
all year.

Speaker 7 (01:20:32):
Long, or you have to have the deep rotation like
we saw in Philly last year, you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Know, right, which, by the way, Philly's better known for
their linebackers. Of course, baughn Dean guys like that.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
Yeah, let me switch that trade up. So let's say,
Hendrickson says, I don't need an extension. I'll go and
play out my one year, but I want out he
Okay's four or five teams. Detroit Lions are one of them,
and we have to give up a first and a
second in a second, but we're not re signing him.
Are you pulling the trigger on that?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Absolutely, yeah, I am too.

Speaker 9 (01:21:09):
And really some of it has to do with one
Jared Golf in that window you're talking about a Super
Bowl window.

Speaker 8 (01:21:15):
You gotta punch that ticket.

Speaker 9 (01:21:16):
If you have opportunity to go and put one of
the best edge pairings, pass rush pairings, and maybe NFL history,
who knows.

Speaker 8 (01:21:24):
I think you have to go out there, and you
got to do that.

Speaker 9 (01:21:27):
This gives the Detroit Lions, at least for the next
couple of years, an opportunity from the defensive line standpoint
to go out there and wreak havoc. You know, especially
when you're talking about some of these other teams that
they're believing may catch or have passed up the Lions.
It's teams that have those quarterbacks that they believe can
give us some some issues or problems. I believe if
you have Hendrickson on the other end of Hutch, you're

(01:21:50):
not bro' You're creating some good problems for yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
You're finally getting your Baltimore revenge.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Oh my gosh, well you sure you sure, hope so
and somebody had a really good example. So I'm glad
they did that. But a few people who said Kirby
already got his extension. We know that we were talking
about Brian Branch as an extension. So would you pay
two I in safeties? One is Kirby Joe assumed Branches,
then the other would be Branch who deserves it. But

(01:22:15):
somebody wrote in look when San Diego had Khalil Mack
and Bosa, it didn't work. That's a really good one.

Speaker 7 (01:22:21):
Oh yeah. I've seen a lot of and especially the
teams that go out and trade all those assets to
three first rounders to get that other book end. It's
there's no championships. There's literally only one crazy trade that
we've seen multiple first goal that's lead led to a championship,
and that was the Matt Stafford trade. We can look
up and down. I think there was the guy was

(01:22:44):
the guy from Frank I want to say from I'm
blanking the Kansas City Chiefs made a deal for a
defensive lineman, but they didn't give up that much. They
think they gave up a second and a third to
bring him in, and of course that turned into championships.
It's just not in the dna of the way that
Brad is running this team. He's not interested in giving
up his draft picks, which we've seen he's very good at,

(01:23:07):
to go get somebody else's problem. He'd rather draft his guys. Yeah,
re sign his guys, and I'll tell you, guys, so far,
it's been pretty damn successful.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
I don't doubt that. I don't. First of all, I
don't think it would take a first in a second
to get Hendrickson. Okay, that's first and foremost. That's a
lot to give up for a guy on an expiring
deal who wants out. And I'm not sure how much
leverage the Bengals had. It would not cost you that.

Speaker 7 (01:23:34):
I don't think it costs Branch at first either.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Well, I all do. I didn't say Branch, I just
set a young defensive player you brought up Sorr not
a starter, No, No, they've got to be a star.
But that could be Branch. That could be Campbell, that
could be Joseph, that could be Terry.

Speaker 7 (01:23:51):
On, Arnold Campbell, Terryon, and Brand, a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Of different names I associated with that.

Speaker 7 (01:23:56):
I'm not sure i'd give up any one of those. Yeah,
I don't think I get up any one of those
three guys, as young as they are and the promise
that they've shown as well as a first round pick
for one year of trey or four years, three years
of a thirty million dollar tray, I don't think I'm
doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Well, here's what and Brad Holmes knows this better than
we do. But what you have to understand is that
you're probably not keeping all three of those guys anyway
down the road. You're not keep I don't know what
his priorities are. He's going to hold that keep us
to keep him well, he wants to keep everybody, but
he's not going to be able to. So that's the

(01:24:35):
reality of it. That's why I brought up are you
paying two high end safeties? One's already got the extension,
Kirby Joseph as we mentioned, and Brian Branch I'd like
to I'd like to keep the entire band together, but
you know, we wanted the Beatles to stay together, and
they didn't either, So that's just the way it goes.

Speaker 7 (01:24:51):
Would you rather have long term Jamo or Branch?

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Branch? Branch, that's my guy. I I started the show
by talking about head and heart and all that other stuff.
My heart's with Branch, but I think my head is
I'm pretty confident in my eyes and my beliefs, and
I think I think Brian Branch is an APPS. I
think he's one of the best safeties, if not the

(01:25:16):
best safety in the National Football outside of Kyle Hamilton.
Kyle Hamilton's probably the I know Buddha Baker's good. I
would say Kyle Hamilton's the only safety I'd rather have
than Brian Branch. I think he's that good.

Speaker 7 (01:25:29):
And that could change or two. You know, Branch is
still improving.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Sure I've said this too, and this is probably a
little hyperbolic. I think he can be on track to
be a guy like Ronnie Lott. I think that's how
good he is. And I and by the way, I
respect the hell out of Jamison Williams. Didn't like the pick,
didn't like him after year one, didn't like him after

(01:25:54):
year two. He showed me something last year, and he's
been outstanding this year. He does bring things to the
offense that nobody else can. But I do think there's
something that is not being talked about in this market,
and for good reason, because you know, you don't want
to jump that proverbial ship. But I do wonder if
Isaac Teslaw was drafted knowing that Jamison Williams may not

(01:26:19):
be the long term guy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Wow wow.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
And I don't think it's okay to ponder that. I'm
not saying that's what I'd be asking for Ad Holmes,
but it's okay to ponder that because you spend a
third round pick on him, and you've got a lot
of other talented players you're going to have to re up.
And I just wonder what those priorities are wide receivers.
If you believe I'm on Rossaint Brown's a one and
we all do, okay, and you believe samuela Porte is

(01:26:43):
a one and we all do, how many weapons do
you really need? I need my safety, I need my
quarterback of the defense back there. And I think Brian
Branch is as good as it gets. He's a tough SOB,
he's a smart SOB, and he's a gamer. Yeah, and
I love him. So that's the reason I'm going with
Brian Brand.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
You gotta be careful because the chat loves themselves some Jamo,
but to me, speed at the wide receiver position. You
can draft that what Tesla could turn into what he's
starting to look like, that gives you an opportunity to
give that money to Branch instead of Jamo. Shout out.
Jamo did graduate from God his degree from Wayne State

(01:27:25):
this summer, no issues in the paper. Really seems dialed
in running routes, and he definitely seems like a favorite
of Dan Campbell's. Let's see if we can't keep both
of them.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Yeah, Look, as Ricky mentioned earlier, people make mistakes there
before the grace of God. Go why Jameson Willie made
some mistakes. That doesn't mean you give up on the kid.
You hope he matures and grows and you know what
he's done that he has, so credit to him. Somebody
in the chat said, would you give up Alee McNeil
In a first, they're not taking alle McNeil. He's hurt.

(01:28:00):
They want somebody who's going to impact them. Their general
manager can't go in front of the media and their
fan base and go high, ladies and gentlemen. We just
traded our best defensive player and we've got an injured
player coming back in a first round pick that's going
to be late in the first round, but we're pretty
happy about him.

Speaker 7 (01:28:15):
Am I crazy for thinking a fully healthy Alie McNeil
is more important to this defense in January than another Edges?

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Is you're crazy about that? I would concur I think
he's a when healthy. I think he's a difference maker.

Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
I'm excited for him and Williams to be as much
as people want the bookend t defensive ends, I'm excited
about the guys inside. Now, these guys rotate more than
the defensive ends, right, but I'm really excited about that.
That's a good point.

Speaker 9 (01:28:45):
I'm excited as well, and not just because of the
type of player we know him to be, but that interior.

Speaker 8 (01:28:50):
Do you really want to just depend on the rotation
the depth the.

Speaker 9 (01:28:54):
New guy in Tyler Williams or do you want your
twenty million dollar man in Elie McNeil there and think
about that? That just makes it that much better having
a lean having Hutch on a defensive line.

Speaker 8 (01:29:05):
I one hundred percent agree with.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
That five years younger to cheer. You're right, yeah, one hundred.

Speaker 7 (01:29:11):
Yeah for me, I just Lions don't love thirty year olds, man,
they love their own guys. And what Alem would mean
to this team in the playoffs. I know it sounds crazy,
but I'm not sure that Trey eclipses.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
That somebody had written in the chat about Jamison Williams
and the speed and you know there's there's nobody faster.
I mean, Tyreek Hill would probably disagree. I think you're
worthy would probably disagree. Dk Metcalf would probably disagree. Matthew
Golden might even Matthew Golden might might do it. That's
a really good one too, So Jaylen Wattle would at

(01:29:43):
least have a case. So there are guys, and I'm
not downplaying his speed and that it's that it's not
a difference, because I do believe it is. I think
it's a huge difference. I think he brings something to
this team, just like Brian Thomas brings something to the
wide receivers, but with Jacksonville. Okay, but I'm more impressed

(01:30:04):
with how he's grown as a pass catcher, a route runner,
always respected as blocking downfield, there's a lot of things
I now like about Jamison Williams. But I'm answer and
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Smith eight million dollars and let's go get the ring.

Speaker 6 (01:35:15):
Right, It's that simple.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
What's the problem. I'm glad, I'm glad, you're not. You're
not the GM. Zadarius Smith has never in his career
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million last year. Why would you give him eight million
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(01:35:39):
As said Braylan said about less than fifteen snaps a game,
I would think it's a little bit more than that,
maybe twenty, but not much more. Why would you pay
a guy eight million dollars to play twenty snaps a
game when a guy you got last year cost you
one point three six U and Cleveland? Why would you
do that?

Speaker 7 (01:35:57):
Because Detroit fans are obsessed with defense, and we've seen that.
We've seen the interview questions with Brad and you could
tell he's a been exasperated by himself. He's like, I
got you one in the sixth round.

Speaker 8 (01:36:10):
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Speaker 9 (01:36:11):
I am one of those ones that believes Zadarius Smith
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should still be on this team. And even though he's
not gonna play a whole, whole, whole heaping of of reps,
he's still somebody that's gonna be impactful in those reps.
And right now we have to ask ourselves the comparison
is this regardless of what Marcus Davenport can do if

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he plays Willie, Because with Zadarius Smith, the ability that
he did display beyond just being able to get into
the backfield, was being.

Speaker 8 (01:36:39):
Able to actually play. And I think that that does matter.

Speaker 9 (01:36:42):
And when you're talking about a guy who wants to
be here, a guy who's familiar at least having this
this what three quarters of a season with the Detroit
Lions and absolutely fall in love with the city and
the city back with him, I do believe that Zadarias
Smith is a guy that can help this team. At
eight million, maybe you see what you can do it
maybe maybe five.

Speaker 8 (01:37:03):
To seven million, maybe eight million.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Kind but where are you buck for numbers?

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Just go where where do you get these? And by
the way, I was wrong. I said never made eight
million in his career with Detroit or with Cleveland. He did,
Green Bay had a contract, Minnesota had a contract. We
averaged about fourteen million. So that was incorrect. So my apologies.
I don't know where we pull the numbers from. We're
just like grabbing them out of mid air and saying
I'd give them seven million. Let's throw it back into

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the skin based on what.

Speaker 7 (01:37:31):
There's things like space, based on partying all summer.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
I mean, seriously, it really it's it's borderline. You're responsible.
He's thirty three years old, he made one point three
million last year, and you're gonna give him seven million.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
This year.

Speaker 8 (01:37:51):
For one If that's what it takes for one year,
I'm okay with that for one. That's because it's not
your money.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
It's really easy to do. But it just doesn't make sense.
It's not good business sense. Nobody does that, Nobody, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:38:10):
I got a question for you guys, what do you
think the most sacks Marcus Davenport has had in a season.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Well, I think it's eleven and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:38:17):
He's never had double digit sacks he's got nine to
one year and I believe six or seven is his
second highest, which I was shocked at that. And there,
I mean, he is only twenty seven. I thought he
was thirty one. But the fact is is he's never
been highly productive or healthy. And I think where Detroit

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fans are coming from with z is that we know
this guy, we like this guy, we know he likes
it here. We've got the second most salary cap. Just
give him the money. The fact is, Detroit fans, you
just don't know what else can pop up during the season,
what other players can be made available just by being
cut or through trade, and having that money is pretty important.

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I still think a deal gets done. I don't think
it's for seven or eight, but.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
It could be better.

Speaker 7 (01:39:08):
It could be we don't know, and we have But if.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
You're getting Marcus Davenport for what one and a half?
Is that what they gave it?

Speaker 7 (01:39:14):
What they give Marcus is making more than that you got.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Marcus was Davenport. Do you remember what his I.

Speaker 7 (01:39:21):
Mean, let me get a I think he's making a
substantial amount of money, and I want to say substantial
at like six. I could be wrong on.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
That, but.

Speaker 8 (01:39:31):
Point five no, no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (01:39:33):
The deal could be worth up to four point seven
five million, but.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
It's two point five. He's got to hit certain things
that he probably I don't know, I don't know the details,
but he that he probably hasn't hit in a long time.
In most cases, he's ever played in a season fifteen
out of six.

Speaker 9 (01:39:49):
But his previous one year deal was six point five.
And when you say where are people getting some of
these numbers for stay, remember it's going back to what
we've seen Brad Holmes do that edge.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
But that's that's a previous that we're talking about here,
and now we're talking about that was before certain extensions.
Just because he's done that before, it doesn't mean you're
going to do it again.

Speaker 9 (01:40:10):
But you got but you got Davenport right now in
the books for two point five guarantee up to almost
five million. If I'm Zadarius Smith, I want a better
contract than what.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
You gave is.

Speaker 8 (01:40:21):
Marcus Davie.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
It's going to be loaded with incentives and that's the
way it should be. But so the guaranteed uh, and
I don't know if you guys meant seven or eight
as in guaranteed or with incentives. I would have a
problem with either one. But if you're talking about two
and a half three million dollars, you're maybe three and
a half guaranteed, and you got a chance to rise.

(01:40:45):
That's great. I don't know if he I mean, is
he gonna play enough to even reach those I don't care.
Get him in here, get him on the dotted line
for a decent price. If he reaches those incentives, bully
for him, and I'm glad the lines will look at
it and put that in the contract.

Speaker 9 (01:41:03):
Q Balls crashing out in the chat right now. May
in all caps. He's typing, so I know there gotta
be some frustrates. But he says, we are paying Davenport
to be hurt, pays he for his production. Then he
goes again, this shouldn't even be a conversation. Sign the
blank check. He's ready for.

Speaker 7 (01:41:20):
Darius Zadarius's production is just it's unquestioned. Wherever he's been,
even when he came here, he's still put numbers up.
And he did it without the benefit of having touch
on the other side of the line.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
So you know, Miles Garrett on the other side.

Speaker 7 (01:41:37):
And well, sure, sure, sure, but I mean, like for
he had four sex But what I'm what I'm saying
is is a lot of people look at his four
secs from Detroit and they're like, that's all that he did.
But he did that in basically a half season without
any other bookend. I think that he could have a
very productive UH year as the other guy on the
other end, even through a rotation. And if I'm Zadarius
and I've got the belief in myself, I'll take that

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incentive aid package because the it's probable that Marcus Davenport
isn't going to be playing fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Yeah, I mean that's the trend, right, I mean, that's
what's happened twelve. We're not turning the clock back to
twenty thirteen when Zadarius Smith had thirteen and a half sacking,
was a pro bowler Green Bay. I take out they
take a two absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:42:19):
A million dollars or no, absolutely no.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
I wouldn't. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
I want sacks. I want quarterback curries.

Speaker 7 (01:42:26):
I want to to think about that one for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
No, I didn't have to think about that all you
ask the questions. That's what I was thinking about. I
want tackles for losses. I want quarterback hits and I
want sacks at a fair and on his price. Yeah,
and if I'm the player, I want to be rewarded.
I don't blame them one bit. I'm talking about being
a responsible When somebody says, sign the blank check, I

(01:42:50):
laugh at that, because, first of all, guarantees you nothing.
Second of all, that can't be your approach in free agency.
It just can't be. I mean, you're you're looking asking desperate.
Why isn't somebody else? I think it's a fair question.
For as as dominating as Zadarias Smith has been, like
you're you're like you played half a season. He had

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four sexs eight and Hutchins had seven and a half
in half a season. So that's dominant. Zadarias Smith. Is
he the answer to your problem? No, but he is
a part of solution to the problem with others in
a rotating basis. If you gave me Zadarius Smith and
Marcus Davenport and you know others, Barns and bring up,
bring up other people, and those guys are all getting

(01:43:33):
me six sacks in a season, I'm really happy.

Speaker 7 (01:43:36):
Yeah, Yeah, And I don't Philadelphia Eagles defense last year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Yeah, I don't need him the Denver Broncos. As we mentioned,
I don't need him to get me, you know, thirteen
and a half sacks. I don't expect that.

Speaker 7 (01:43:47):
That's okay. I mean he's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
I think he's a good player. I think he's seems
like he's a good teammate. It seems like everybody respects
him and gets along with him, and he knows the
system and he likes being here, which to me means holy,
absolutely nothing that you want to be here. I want
you to be productive. You can be angry all you want.
I want you to be productive. The problem I have is,
if he's a good player, I'm not paying him like

(01:44:11):
he's a great player. Yeah, that's all. Yeah, And I
think it's all right if the Lions are sticking to
their guns.

Speaker 9 (01:44:17):
If would you pay him a little bit more, even
if it's incentives than what Davenport has, knowing that last year,
the difference, Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:44:25):
Yeah, because he's gonna be healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:44:28):
And my thing is, too, it's like what we saw
out of Zadaria Smith. I know you guys talked about
it too.

Speaker 9 (01:44:32):
Is it was without Hutchinson, it was it was without
or you know, we know that Ellen mcmill wund up
gett injured as well, and that whole defense got decimated.
I'm looking forward to seeing what he could have been
and I'm hoping they're doing they go and sign that
check with the Detroit Lions. And one of my things
is I do wonder in terms of the question of
why isn't he signed by other people? I wonder if

(01:44:54):
there are deals out there, because I've seen, you know,
I guess the last couple of days we saw Matthew
Judown get signed as well. Pass Rush he went down,
I believe to the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
I believe he did go to the Dolphin.

Speaker 8 (01:45:03):
And so I've seen this struggle test here though struggle,
and that's my thing.

Speaker 9 (01:45:07):
I wonder if it's just the best or the worst
kept secret, Like it felt like everybody knew when Ben
Johnson is the head coach it will be with the
Chicago Bears. But still I don't know why I took
it so so difficult, As all of you know Detroit,
we knew that that was going to be the place.
And I do wonder if right now, with Zadarius Smith
and Brad Holmes and the comments he put out there,

(01:45:29):
if around the league is known he's trying to get
back to Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
And if not, then maybe even if it's known around
the league, that doesn't mean the league isn't knocking on
his door.

Speaker 7 (01:45:38):
I'm sure they.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Nobody sits there and goes, well, I'm sorry, Detroit's talking
is Zidarius. Let's move on. This is not Rick Calmly
at Michigan State Hockey and saying if I go into
a living room and somebody's looking at Notre Dame er Michigan,
I'm not going to recruit him. Wrong answer.

Speaker 7 (01:45:51):
It's like the club. No girl has a boyfriend in
the club, you're all going to be making calls and
trying for it. But this this Lion's team right now.
Everybody that's following them absolutely wants Zadarius in town. And
the fact that we haven't seen him link to anybody
aside from the Bears what six seven, eight weeks ago,

(01:46:12):
and that was just a little blip, It really seems
like this this is either he's gonna retire or he's
gonna be a Lion.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Somebody brought up a great point in the chat, and
this obviously helps Sadarius Smith Davenport already crying about being
in the spotlight, oblige him gets someone to take his snaps. Hey, like, cool,
A just said you're paying him two and a half
million dollars. We can be pissed off about a dumb
quote like that, but if the guy's gonna be in

(01:46:43):
there doing what he's supposed to be doing and he
stays somewhat healthy, I'll be happy if I got out
of Marcus Davenport this year. If I've got you know,
twelve or thirteen games with six sacts, considering I would
expect them to also, you know, Derek Barnes and the like,

(01:47:04):
I think I'd be pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
Happy with that.

Speaker 7 (01:47:05):
I would too, I double down on that. I mean,
he's a very disruptive player when he's healthy and on
the field, so he's gonna do more than just get
you sacks. If we get twelve games out of Davenport
and half of those are in December and January and
into February, right, we'll be looking real good.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
I don't think this is a situation. I hope it's not.
I don't think it's a situation of Anthony Rendon. You know,
Anthony Rendon deside that big deal and never played. You know,
you would have thought he would have been the ideal
situation in Anaheim or in LA for the Angels and
a guy who didn't even like the sport and for

(01:47:43):
some reason or another just never was healthy enough. I
don't know if it was little bumps and bruises, but
it was just a brutal signing didn't want to play
the game of baseball. I don't think that's the case
for Marcus Davenport. I think he's I hope if he
had it to do over again, he should as hell
wouldn't say it the way he said it. Yeah, I'm
trying to give the dude the benefit of the doubt.

(01:48:05):
I would be fine if we just left him alone
and he was productive. Pretend you're an offensive lineman. Here's
the problem, Marcus, You're a defensive end. You are supposed
to wreak havoc, and it's a massive need for this franchise.
So I'm not sure what you expected. So suck it up,
do your job. If you do well, they'll probably bother

(01:48:27):
you with microphones and cameras and you'll have to answer
some questions. But if you didn't want to be that guy,
then you should have played a different position. Well, you
should have bulked up and been a guard. Nobody talks
to guards.

Speaker 7 (01:48:39):
I wonder why you were under the radar for the
last two years, my man, because you weren't playing. I mean,
for me, the only time you get attention is when
you're doing something well or bad. But at this point,
this is really the first time they've had to even
talk to him or interview him because he hasn't been
healthy for two damn years. He should be embracing the

(01:49:00):
camera and the microphone right now because he's been irrelevant
for two years.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Yeah, somebody in the chat said, for Zadarius Smith, I
do three years twenty five million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Ooh what?

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
And I'm like, wait what On September eighth, this man
turns thirty three.

Speaker 7 (01:49:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
I don't know if I like that. I try not
to be, you know, I try to be age sensitive. Okay,
you can't look at everything with age. It's not necessarily fair.
There's guys who were really good, but Ted Williams hit
over three hundred when he was thirty eight years old.
So I try to get age out of it. But
come on, man, you got to understand some things here

(01:49:36):
and where this team is at you're gonna pay eight
million dollars a year for a guy who's thirty three,
then you're gonna pay eight million dollars for when he's
thirty four and thirty five. You'll be laughed out of
the room.

Speaker 7 (01:49:46):
And look at track record, look at what this team
has done. There's nobody that has gotten a multi year
deal in their thirties on this team since Dan and
Brad took it over. So there's just nothing in their
DNA that would suggest that they would do something like that.
I don't even know if they'd do that for a
guy that they brought in from another team that's twenty

(01:50:08):
eight or twenty seven, because again track creck, we've never
seen them do that outside of Jared Goff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
All right, let's get to the mail bag, and somebody
brought up Matthew Judin. It's a fair comparison. I hope
it's not just because he's Grand Valley, but as I
mentioned before, he struggled last year. I forget what the
cost was. How much did Miami pay Matthew judon kool aid?
Any idea?

Speaker 8 (01:50:33):
It wasn't much, man.

Speaker 9 (01:50:34):
I will definitely get that because I saw it yesterday
and I was like, you know what, that's pretty interesting,
especially with us still with the you know, Zadarius Smith
floating around out there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Yeah, and it's interesting they went that route too, I
think from what I remember, the headline was it turned
into a six million dollar deal. Six million bucks.

Speaker 8 (01:50:58):
Oh yeah, so uh I did Is that Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Is that right?

Speaker 8 (01:51:03):
Yeah? One year deal for six.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
So what is your immediate thought when you see when
you hear.

Speaker 7 (01:51:09):
That, my immediate thought is very much like the Lions.
They feel they have a complete team, they've got some
cap left over, and they need an edge period, and
they're willing to overpay on one year because he's gone
after that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
My immediate thought is that Miami's not a well run organization. No,
they're not for Matthew Okay, So that to me, like,
I hope people don't use that seat. See Miami spent
six million on Matthew Judah, so the Lions should spend No, no, no, Miami.
There's a reason they're hovering around five hundred. There's a
reason they're not very good. This is part of the reason.
There's the reason the Lions are really successful. Brad Holmes

(01:51:42):
knows what the hell he's doing. There's the difference. Let's
get to the mail.

Speaker 7 (01:51:46):
Helped the Dolphins either endpoint.

Speaker 9 (01:51:49):
Yeah, the Chicago Bulls have offered just Giddey a long
term contract with twenty million per season.

Speaker 7 (01:51:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Well, remember I said, two weeks ansation, you and I
had the conversation. I think we're at O point. Okay
for the for the golf outing there with doctor Peers,
and I said, I really like Josh Giddy. He would
be the guy I would want to bring in if
I were the Pistons. But I said, here's the problem.
It's going to cost you about twenty million bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
And then.

Speaker 7 (01:52:18):
I don't hate it. I mean, the guy's kind of
a triple double, you know. And I will harken back
to when Giddy and SGA were on the table for
mister Kate Cunningham pick interesting debate there.

Speaker 6 (01:52:34):
I still love.

Speaker 7 (01:52:36):
I love Kate cunning Kate Cunningham's made for.

Speaker 8 (01:52:39):
What Giddy and Shay over k Now give me Kate.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Well, you got to understand Kola Koula La There's there's
only a couple of players in NBA history. He'd take over.

Speaker 7 (01:52:51):
Kate cunning my guy.

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Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Sports Right back with you here on the Brelan Edward Show.
We've just got a few moments left with Ann and
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be back in the chair, so we invite you back
here every Monday through Friday too till four h let's
finish up with the mail bag and the super chats.

Speaker 9 (01:54:12):
Yes, yeah, yeah, listen, we're gonna clean up those super chats. First,
mister super Chat himself, Dante one to five one fortnitety
nine super Chests says, well, people don't realize is Hendrickson
is four. He says four of his eight seasons he's
had double digit sacks. That's in half of his career.

Speaker 8 (01:54:29):
That is really really difficult to do.

Speaker 9 (01:54:31):
I guess he's one of those guys that's all in
for Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Remember he didn't play a lot in New Orleans either,
so yeah, he came, he went, He started in his
career in New Orleans, then to since I think it
was a third round pick, uh, and then to Cincinnati.
Didn't play the snaps that he plays in Cincinnati. He's
a focal point of since his defense. He wasn't dead
in New Orleans.

Speaker 7 (01:54:52):
Thank yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:54:53):
And let me get to this other super chat too,
because I see one in here addressed to Anson, but
shout out to Michigan Go Blue four ninety nine super Chat.
This was addressed to you, shep He says, who does
Sep think will finish with the highest batting average on
the Detroit Tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Uh, that's a really good question. It's not gonna be
Labor Torres has gone in the toilet right now. It's
Riley Green at about two sixty five. I believe we're
talking about everyday players, right, We're not talking about Okay, yeah, yeah,
I'll give you a surprise name. I don't think this
guy gets talked about nearly enough. Cold Keith. I think
Cold Keith is going to be this team's best hitter

(01:55:34):
next year.

Speaker 7 (01:55:34):
He looks good in that leadoff spot.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
I don't care where you put him. I think he's
I think he just makes really solid contact.

Speaker 7 (01:55:41):
He just looked more patient in that in that one spot,
which we've definitely been calling for him, and he's got
all the skills, but my problem with him was just
some of the cuts that he was taking. He just
seems a little more selective sitting in that one spot.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
I think you know you're gonna run through that in
baseball all season long. Yeah, right, I mean every team
is going through it. I mean, look what the Dodgers
have gone through recently, Look at what Toronto has recently
gone through. Look at some of the losses. Just last night,
right when you see some of these teams losing and
getting Torch to Seattle was so good. I talked about
it the other day. Seattle their pitching staff, to me,

(01:56:18):
is unbelievable. Philadelphia beat the snot out of I think
it was Logan Gilbert last night. Maybe it was George Kurby,
one of those two guys.

Speaker 7 (01:56:26):
It was Slogan Gilbert on my Dynasty team here. Yeah,
he's awful on the road this year at home. Stut
can't go on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
So just so we're clearly Cole Keith right now is
batt in sixty eight and uh, you know you talk
about the swings in the selection. He's got seventy nine punchouts,
he's got forty three walks. You'd like the walks to
be a little higher, strikeouts, maybe to be a little
bit lower. One hundred and thirteen games. It's not awful, Okay.

(01:56:57):
I think the problem for Cole Keith is where does
he live? You know, this team, my biggest concern was
their defense. They played good defense last night. Torkelsen has
been pretty good defensively at first base, and he probably
doesn't get nearly enough love. Sure he probably should. Yeah,
we point that out, But there's a lot of guys
who've made a lot of worse plays than Spencer Torkelsen.

(01:57:20):
I think he's a decent defender. He's better Labor Torres
at second base for crant that's not much of a
measuring stick. But the problem is with this team, there's
a lot of guys who are like, Okay, where is
he going to be? What's his position? What's Jace Young's position,
what's Colt Keith's position, what's Zach McKinstry's position. Where are
these guys playing? They're thinking about it with the young
guys right now, where are they playing? It's easy to

(01:57:42):
say Max Clark is the center fielder. Is Kevin McGonagall
truly a major league shortstop? Is Bryce Raynor a true
major league shortstop? Who's going to be your third basement
of the future. I don't know if they have an
answer to that. With Cole Keith yet. Don't think it
helped him that they moved him over to first base
and then he played just sparing there. But hitting wise,
I think he's really good.

Speaker 7 (01:58:03):
My answer would be, uh, Kevin McGonagall when he comes
up to the forty man roster.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
But that won't be this year, though, I will see
that's that's that's not going.

Speaker 7 (01:58:12):
To be this year.

Speaker 9 (01:58:13):
We have a question from one of our stunt supporters.
His name is Freddy Felt three.

Speaker 7 (01:58:22):
Just desper to run his mouth on some corn and blue.
That's okay. I got my phil last week.

Speaker 9 (01:58:27):
I ask answering his thoughts on the number one running
back in the country, Seveon Hitter coming to the University
of Michigan, and he puts us in all caps, so
I have to The funny.

Speaker 7 (01:58:39):
Thing is all these guys, these guys are obsessed with
watching teams full of guys that will be at Enterprise
runner Card next week or next year. I don't care, Freddy,
fred every time, I love it, Freddy. I could care less, Dog,
I could care less. Man, I'll be watching basketball, so

(01:59:00):
let me know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
But they're not going to be working at Enterprise. They're
going to be running the football. I thought you were
going to say, just because you're not the number one
running back doesn't mean you're going to be the number
one running back.

Speaker 7 (01:59:10):
No, I mean the majority of the guys.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
I will say this anytime somebody could be prior. It
could be Goldston, it could be whomever Hackenberg when they
were highly recruited and highly thought of. The fan base
of that team loved it and they squawked about it,
and for good reason, we got five stars. Or we're
making guys into five stars. What's wrong with celebrating a

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guy who comes to you with a great reputation.

Speaker 7 (01:59:38):
I gotta be honest, though, Kool and I love when
Wolverines spend their money to tell me about their Wolverines.
Keep it up, keep those super chats coming. I'm going
to dial up something very special for you guys. Next time.
I apologize I didn't bring my charger day my computers down,
But the next time you guys see me, whenever it is,
I will dial up something very very special.

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