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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Braillen Edwards Show with Shep Touchdown Brailer Edwards.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Railer Edwards touchdown as you got the pattern to Edwards
touchdown Michigan.

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Speaker 1 (00:33):
So tune in to the Braillen Edwards Show with.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Shep about one on one going in zone Outwards on
there Hi catch by Brailer Edwards his second touchdown to
the game.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
On the Woodwards Sports Networks where sports comes to life.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So we are both fresh off the golf course and
fresh for another week on the Brailen Edwards Show.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Here on Woodwards Sports.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Ricky is here.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Cool ladies, here the man the shelf Brayland Edwards this
year and we're glad you're with us on this edition,
this Monday edition of the Braylan Edwards Shall hope you
had a great weekend, my friend.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
I did.

Speaker 6 (01:08):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
I hope you had the same watch a little golf,
you know, spend a little time with the family, got
out and the course as always played. Okay, I told
you I'm over scrambles. Playing another scramble on Saturday, you know.
I mean, I played okay, but I'm just over it,
like I do like playing my own shots. Today, I
just got out the golf course at Oakland Hills, you know,
one of the greatest courses in the state, the American

(01:29):
Cancer Society outing and I'm mad I had to leave.
Like I was playing the best golf that I played
in a while. But they don't play scrambles. And on
the south court, because I was actually playing Oakland Hill South,
which you know is the course that they just renovated,
et cetera, et cetera. They played two band basketball. They
played basketball two basketball, so four people and then two

(01:51):
best balls, so you play your own ball the whole round.
I was playing good shot when I tell you number
seventeen dog leg right long drive check at the at
Oakland and then also net eagle based on my handicap.
So but if you don't know golf, that's a straight
up birdie net eagle on that. So I was feeling

(02:12):
really good, play well, and now I'm here ready to
do the show. A lot's happening in the sports, So there's.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
There's the difference.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I was playing at the golf outing today to help
Midnight Golf, which is an awesome situation for them. At
Plum Hollow, which is a really underrated golf court.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I want to play there so bad.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You'll like it. It's nice and I couldn't wait. It's
not that I wanted to leave, It's just I couldn't
wait to get here because I can't wait to get
some of your opinions on some of the things that
are taking place in the world a sports at plum Hollow.
Since I was there with some friends of ours from
the Detroit Pistons. Rick Horn was there, my friend Rick Mahorne.
He was greeting a lot of people in there, and

(02:49):
we got to talking about back in his day and
his friend Buddha Edwards. Who is you know getting up
there in age.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
At the AM's game. I said, next mood to Edwards and.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Edwards, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
I always wanted to meet him have a conversation.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, you were really all over the place of the
AMPS game. You weren't necessarily sitting. I mean, you were
all over the place getting pictures, which was is awesome
because you're the man of the people. But I got
me thinking a little bit, who's the badest guy ascid
Detroit sports history are now history?

Speaker 7 (03:21):
I was gonna say, because just real quick, man, if
I can say for right now, I still think it
is Rick Mahorn.

Speaker 8 (03:27):
Man.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
I saw him still in a wheelchair celebrity basketball event
he participated in, and he was still out there up
to his old tactics. Bro Still, I got video. I
will find it.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
There's there's a show before Hours that some people would
strongly shade toward that that dude is a badass Darren McCarty.
But I mean, I'm just wondering all time. There's a
so there's a couple of names that come to mind
for me.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
It's tough when you get into all the time. I mean,
I don't see two people contending with in domin Can
Sue and Ben Wallace. But the other thing about it
too is it's gonna be a football guy. If you
say anybody outside a football guy, then I think the
definition of a tough guy is what's perceived as a
tough guy. Because ain't nobody tougher than Suel in.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
The city, right, And that's who I was gonna say.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
And to be honest, it's not close. Nobody wants to
get locked up. Got sixty five, three hundred and thirty
pounds some Suel. Nobody wants. I agree, So let's just
leave it. Let's leave it at that and have some
fun with it. Yeah, eliminate the football, guys.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Okay, eliminate the football. I mean Bob Probert's in that conversation.
Bob Probert was one of the baddest asses in NHL history,
his tag team badass brother of Joey Coch who was there.
But let me Joey today it is today. I know
you got invited kool aid and I missed that out there.
There's so there's two names for me, right, So one

(04:49):
is Gordie how Gordi Howe was a bad, bad man,
and not because of the gordiall hat trick, in which
he only had won his entire career a goal and
assistant to fight the same game. He was just Other
players did not mess with him period, okay, because they
knew what he would bring. There was a mutual respect,

(05:09):
but they also understood just how tough he truly was,
and I would say so, he's definitely in that conversation
and the other one. And this might surprise people. And
I think when we use the word who's the toughest guy,
well look for the biggest, the battest. I mean Bennet's
will I get it. You know when Domican sue his size,
Isaiah Thomas was a.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Tough, tough, tough dude. And I'm not saying he's the
baddest dude.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I'm just telling you when you talked about the bad boys,
you talked of two guys, you talked of Mohrne, you
talked of Lambier, and I think people underestimated Isaiah Thomas.
You want to look at the ankle sprain twenty five
points in the third quarter against the Lakers in the
nineteen eighty eight Championship Series. You want to look at
the cut above the eye against Karl Malone. The fact

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that he was more diminutive and wasn't afraid to go inside,
was willing to go inside and battle some of the
biggest guys the league has ever had. I think he's
in the conversation.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yeah, one of percent. You know, he led by example
in all ways, whether it was fighting Bill Lembier, whether
it was fighting anybody you put in front of him
from the Lakers or the Celtics or the you know,
the Bullets, or you know whoever they're fighting with at
that time, the Hawks. I mean, he's got some notable
battles with Tree Rollins if I remember correctly. So he was,
and he will tell you about it. He didn't mind
scrapping you. He was six foot six' one if you

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want to give him that extra, inch and he was
From South Side chicago and you would see it when
you meet. Him SO i don't to your, point it's
not about being the, biggest the, tallest the Bad it's
just about being in the. Fight and you, know for
him it was that. WAY i think as it relates
To Ben, wallace you, know AND i know we say
his name all the. TIME i know It's Ben wallace

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is the guy's fear the. Fro just because we say
something all the time doesn't mean it's not. True the
guys were scared of. Him ron Our test was one
of the baddest dudes in THE nba his, time and
the malice in The palace that particular. Night this is
When ron Ar test was really in his prime as
a disruptor in the, sport as a disruptor on, defense

(07:16):
as somebody you didn't want to mess, with whether you
thought he was stronger or you thought he was. Crazy
keep in, mind this is two thousand and forward talking
about we don't use the term, now but back, then
this guy's. CRAZY i don't want to mess. With he
didn't want any parts Of Ben. Wallace nobody in THE
nba want any parts Of Ben. Wallace shaquille O'Neill talked
all that stuff to everybody else in THE, nba but

(07:38):
when he played against The going To Work, pistons he
wanted no. Smoking he was on his, very very very
best behavior when he came to number. Three just think about.
That for all the Stuff shaq, talks all the people
you've Seen shack go, against and all the moments when
he played against The, pistons he was very polite because
he didn't Want Ben wallace to go against his. Head
SO i think when you have someone that's called the

(07:59):
most dominant player in NBA's, history whether you're a greed or,
not it's thrown out there for him to be. SCARED
i think, that lets you know, What, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
And then And Ben wallace went about it in a
very quiet, manner which sometimes can be even. Scarier there
was a there was a story way back in the
day when When gordi how played against The. Rangers Lou
fontano was their bad, dude, right and he squared off
With Gordi. Howe if you look at the pictures broken
nose and needed you know the back in the back

(08:29):
in the day they had the it was really, ugly
but it had obviously something over his, nose but the
tape all across his face just to hold it on.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
There it just didn't.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Hand it just. Didn't it just didn't end. Well and
the THE i think the headline in some of The
New york papers that don't mess With gordi How And
Stan mkita did something not to how one, time and
he said the next, time he, SAID i was back
on the. BENCH i didn't know WHERE i was because
how had believedly or allegedly slipped his hand out of the,
glove drilled him in the, jaw slipped his glove back.

(08:59):
On nobody saw up at the backup goalie at the
time For, chicago there are certain guys like you, SAY i,
mean there there's an aura about. Them AND i think
two of the guys we've been talking About probert guys
wanted to challenge because they wanted to see if they
could handle. It they wanted the. Belt they didn't always
get the. Belt him And koser were two of the
toughest dudes ever to play in THE. Nhl but we're

(09:21):
pretty fortunate here In detroit because we've had some of
those guys that other cities and other teams look at and, go,
man do not mess with.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Them take me through some of The, tigers BECAUSE i
think it's easy to kind, of you, know Pick lions.
Players you can just look at who was the biggest
guy who had the most. Penalties you, know, basketball we
got bad, boys. Pissons you can pick and choo some
of that. ROSTER i, know this guy was a tough.
Guy this guy is a tough. Guy, baseball who were
some of the tough guys in the eighties when they
were winning eighty four eighty. Five he came up. Close

(09:49):
who are some of those? Guys So i'll give you three.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Guys So i'll give you three guys from from back
in those. Days gibbey's obviously one of them Hundred, okay
was never afraid of anybody Challenge Cliff johnson when he
was a, rookie And Cliff johnson was a big dude
playing For, Toronto gibby, said meet me up in the.
Tunnel as soon As i'm done with batting, Practice i'll
be waiting for, you big. Boy that's the football. Side
it sure Is Lance, parrish who could have played AT

(10:13):
ucla as a, quarterback but he was just a huge.
Look he was A he Was Tina turner's. Bodyguard all,
right you Don't you didn't mess With Lance, parrish But
i'm gonna give you a quiet one that is similar
to that of what you talked about With Ben. Wallace Larry,
herndon who played for The, tigers played left, field was

(10:34):
one of those quiet. Guys but when it came to
defending your, teammates when there was some type of foray
into the middle of the, field he would take guys
and ragged all them out of the. Pile it was a,
big strong. Dude Larry herndon was an underrated.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
BADASS i had two football, players and not from The Detroit.
Lions it's From. Michigan person One John, runyon and nobody
want to smoke like Run you're scared the hell out of.
Everybody and him And Jake long like, seven you talking
about number seventy, seven but you're talking about six foot,
seven six foot, eight three hundred and thirty five pounds
when he get their hands on your. Beasts just, monsters

(11:14):
like just legitimate. Monsters another guy speaking of like the
quiet side of things that you, know he didn't necessarily
talk the, most but you know if you got grabbed.
Up Lamar Willie Lamar. Wood i've Seen lamar check some
guys in the middle of a. Game we were playing Against.
Iowa excuse. Me we're playing Against, iowa and their offensive

(11:35):
linemen were like going lower his, knees checking him at his,
knees trying to take out his, ankles trying to take
out his. Legs and after about a quarter and a,
half it's maybe going into the second, half excuse, me
going in, halftime all you saw Was lamar get inside
the breastplate of the, guard grab, him and he was

(11:55):
right here and he's in his face talking this close.
Check you look down at the. Ground his feet were
literally this was all that was on the, Ground all
his feet were off the. Ground lamar had him because
he was being such a dirty. Player lamar's got a
bunch of those little moments WHEN i run into guys
AND i played against in college that played Against. Lamar
he's one of the first people when they come up

(12:15):
to me and they want to talk About he's, like,
man we used to hate fifty six like fifty six,
was specially in terms of he was scared of. Hell
Lamar Woodley he's one of those.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
GUYS i believe That, lamar that's a good. One, yeah
join us in the.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Chat if you got somebody that maybe we, OVERLOOKED i
would love to hear.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
IT i.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
DO i worked With Mark spindler for a. While Spin
dog And spindler.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Played for The lions and played for The bears six
five three thirty Five.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Huge Man soun's Of Notre.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Dame right son did Play Notre.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Dame he transferred To, NEBRASKA i believe first final. Year,
anyway one, Time spindler literally picked me, up and you,
know it's not Like i'm a big, guy but as
IF i, was this helmet just like just a ragdal
picked me. Up he, says let me ask you a,
question AND i am howering above him my, feet you,
know five feet off the.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Ground what do you do if a guy like me
grabs you like?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
This you call It Van johnson because he is a,
fighter then fight for. You you don't have to fight
about it being a fight him FOR i.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Would have to say it live first. Truth but he
made it seem LIKE i was LIKE i was lifting this.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Pen that was.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
It that's how strong you.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Do you gotta think of like what he's used to,
Doing LIKE i, know it's been on the defensive side
of the. Ball he's used to go on the offensive,
line excuse, me on the opposite side of the. Ball
but you're used to being in those trenches with these
gorillas down are three hundred plus pounds when you get
a regular, human if you, Will, yeah he's it's easy's light.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Word it's been, fun.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
THOUGH i mean to be able to watch a lot
of these guys and be the epitome of What detroit
usually stands.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
FOR i mean you know. THAT i mean as A
detroit to. Yourself there is.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
A certain edge of certain, toughness a certain. FEEL i
always found it when we would go on road trips
and we'd be In New york and people would, say
they bow up to you and, say, man this Is New.
York AND i would often, saying.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Dude i'm From. DETROIT i, mean give me a, break.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Say some, special outlandish place in Which martians come from
and no one can mess with.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Them have you ever been in Downtown? Detroit knock it? Off,
okay it was.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Different it was different.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Everywhere there's everywhere you can come. From a tough neighborhoods
still be a, lane, Right but don't think that you're
gonna intimidate people From. Detroit that just doesn't.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Happen But detroit is one of those cities that holds
and carries a different type of. Weight like, Look i've
been traveling for, years but let's just. Start WHEN i
was in THE, nfl you go to cities Like detroit
is one of those. Ones when you say, it people
typically take a step, back like, now whether it's you,
know because they're scared of the crime rate in the,
eighties which was a valid thing that carried into The
Bad boys with then The Bad boys when they were

(15:02):
beating up people in The east and beating up people
now one but that started. It but then The Bad,
boys and then when we finally dropped the finesse as
you see in the background in ninety six When damn
McCarty decided to do this ninety, seven excuse, me then
we were no longer the finesse Red. Wings we became
the physical Red. Wings The pistons had That. Moniker The
lions may not god win, games but The lions would

(15:23):
beat you. Up courtesy Of chris Phil, man courtesy Of Lomas,
brown courtesy Of Rob. Porche courtesy Of Benny, blaze who
will knock your head. Off so we've always had a
tough in terms of the perception of What detroit. Is
people are scared Of. DETROIT i go To la y'all
where you're, From Cuz i'm like From. Detroit y'all, crazy y'all,
there What's detroit? Like So detroit has always had that

(15:46):
respect of people a little. Timid SO i Don't, Baltimore,
Philly New, Orleans, Miami New, York, cleveland don't bring that to.
Us detroit is a different, thing and there's a different
type of.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Way even back in the, day way back in the.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
DAY i Know Dick buckets got all the, headlines and
rightfully so he might have been the meanest player to
ever play the, SPORT i would, Agree But dick Knitran
lane was a. Badass Joe schmidt was a bad. Ass
Eric Carrack Eric Alex, carris Rather Alex carris was a.
BADASS i, mean those guys Represented, detroit you, know may

(16:24):
Not Joe schmidt had success late had, success may not
have been always the winning that turned your, head but those,
guys those guys could carry their own for.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Sure that's why the cool thing about The lions being
in this space as you See pin with the stiff
are like The lions becoming this physical team that they've
been now since twenty twenty one really took off twenty twenty,
two you started seeing twenty three and. Four it's not,
surprising it's not one of those. Things but now they're
the dominant. Team we talked about it a little bit last,
week where they're kind of taking on the forty nine
ers role in after you played The. Lions it's. Tough

(16:56):
that's not surprising Because detroit has been like. That so
it's good to return to.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
That, Yeah i'm glad you brought that up because so
there's a couple of THINGS i want to get Into
michigan for. SURE i want your take on, That but
regarding The, lions just real quick and then we can
dive back into. IT i was reading something that Former
lions offensive Corner Ben johnson said About Caleb, williams and he, said,
No i'm. Sorry he was talking About Caleb williams and
how he's fitting in, nicely but it was more about

(17:22):
What sean McDermott.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Said with The.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Bills they got their asses kicked by The bears the
other night in a preseason, game and he, said it's
not up to our. Standards so to that, point what
you were, saying we always bring up. Culture maybe it's
time for me to stop using the word culture so
much and use the word. STANDARD i think there's a
new standard with The lions and perhaps all Of detroit,

(17:47):
sports but especially with The. Lions culture is one. Thing
the culture is. Established the standard is now something totally
different than what we were used to when we watched this.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Team the standard is different than Detraitl. Lioness you're talking
about preseason as well as as well as commis in. General, yeah,
yeah because it's been built up. Different you've seen The
lions do something they haven't done a very long, time
but then you've seen them maintain. IT i think it'd
be different if twenty twenty two you finish that season
eight and two and it was a hell of a.
Story you don't make the, playoffs and then you do

(18:19):
what you typically. Do in twenty twenty, three you, know
you come up, short or you make the playoffs and
you lose the first. Round BUT i think you've seen
a consistent build up each year Twenty Dan campbell comes,
in he, says it's gonna take us three. Years what
happened in that three? Years you were nine and, eight
you almost make the. Playoffs in twenty, two you're twelve and,
five you win a. Division in twenty, three and in

(18:42):
twenty four you go fifteen to two and you win
THE nfc in terms of the best, record you're the
number one. Seed we know how that played out for.
Him BUT i think it's the new standard because it's.
Consistent each. Year you see them taking, strides whether it's
on the offensive. Side you see them drafting on the
defensive side and adding players so that the defense can
match with the offense has done in the first couple of.
Years SO i think the new standard is built out of,

(19:05):
consistency AND i think each, year you're seeing the players
themselves get. Better, yeah you, know look at the Steps
jamo took from year one to year. Three look at
what we believe he's gonna do this. Year Amar ra, Saying,
bron look At jared GalF not a drafted, player but
a free agent. Player look at the strides that he's
taken as a, player as a leader on this. Team
SO i think the things that you're seeing in terms

(19:26):
of what the standards, changed that's because they've gotten. Consistent
they've gotten. Better player development is, good leadership is. Good
they're getting better all. Around the coaching has gotten better
from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty five in my,
opinion you know What i'm, saying whether it's bringing in
new coaches or it is Whether Dan campbell himself has
become a better.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Version, Yeah i've always wondered how the standard deviates at some,
point you. KNOW i, mean The Red wings had such
a high standard for such an extended period of, time
and then it seemed to obviously dip and it's been
a serious. Problem is that the is it the? Talent
is that the culture is a combination of All it
sure seems like The piston standard seems to be rising

(20:07):
a little bit because that culture is. Different thank You Trajan,
Langdon thank YOU. Jb, bickerstaff thank You Kate. Cunningham The
tigers standard is starting to trend, toward you, know the
right way because Aj hinch has got a lot of
not just a really good, staff but he's got good
young core. PLAYERS i think with The, lions because of

(20:28):
that mix of young, pros just because you're two years
in doesn't mean you can't be a, veteran you. KNOW
i think you could still be a bit of a
leader on a team depending on the age and some
of the other. Guys but, OVERALL i like how they've
mixed the guys who had a different standard at a different,

(20:50):
place and now these young guys have adopted that and
they've carried it almost taken it to a higher.

Speaker 8 (20:57):
Level.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
YEAH i, MEAN i think you've come in here and
now you're, proud like you're probably you're proud of something
like you see what The lions are from, afar whether
you're a free agent or whether you're a draft, pick, saying,
Man Detroit, LIONS i want to play. There LIKE i
see what they're, BUILDING i see what they're About you
can see that THROUGH tv in terms of accountability is real.
Here you know What i'm, saying being responsible for, yourself you,
know coming in a certain, way knowing what you're supposed to,

(21:20):
do and being able to police yourself when you're not In,
detroit when you're not In Allen, park when you're away
from this, state being able to police. Yourself AND i
think players want to be a part of. That so
when they come To, detroit they don't want to be
the one that gets sent away and misses out on
What detroit is. Doing they don't want to be the
one to come here and it doesn't work, out because
if it doesn't work, out it's probably your fault because

(21:42):
it's not anything that The lions are. Doing it's not
anything That Dan campbell is, doing so it must be
something that you're. DOING i think players feeding it. That you,
know WHEN i was coming, out you wanted to go
to the program that was doing. Well The ravens were
a well oiled machine at the. Time The stillers were
a well oiled. Machine The Indianapolis colts were well oiled.
Machine The Green Bay packers same. Thing so you wanted

(22:03):
to be in one of these. Places because you Knew
i'm gonna have great, Coaching i'm gonna have good teammates around.
Me i'll be able to, Learn i'll be able to,
Grow i'll be able to ask. Questions and when you
get There, detroit in that, case that's exactly what.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Happens give you a situation With.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
MICHIGAN i, mean there's a certain standard. There you said
it a couple of weeks. Ago you, KNOW i wasn't
ready for number one yet on the. Jersey you had
to reach a certain standard before you were gonna wear the.
NUMBER i know that's just a small, example but, overall
there's a certain standard that just goes hand in hand with.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Culture, YEAH i gotta be. Accountable you, KNOW i wasn't
ready to be accountable in terms of being at meetings
always on. Time WHEN i go to, meetings dialing into
the film, work When i'm at the When i'm at,
practice working and getting better doing things when nobody's, looking
that's the main. Thing when nobody's, looking what are you?
Doing are you watching? Film are you running around? So

(22:58):
are you in the weight? Room are you getting with
any of THE dB and, saying, hey let's go over
some one on one? Stuff are you grabbing a quarterback and,
saying let's just run over some of the. Routes are
you grabbing a you, know a graduate trainer and, saying,
hey look just just catch the? Passes for, me If
i'm a, quarterback those are the things that you got
to do if you want to go to the next,
level at any level and in. College for, me it
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Speaker 4 (29:41):
Country they're gonna play In. Dublin do you like that?

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Idea by the, way do you like college games going
over and playing In england And dublin and places like.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
That it does nothing for. Me AND i think at
least in THE nfl you understand, Now, okay, well maybe
it's you, know it's it's broadening the, brand or it's
winding THE nfl through the international. RANKS i don't like that,
either BUT i understand what that's, for you, know college.
FOOTBALL i don't think these young men need to be
playing In dublin and then come. BACK i, MEAN i

(30:10):
guess they don't go to class, anymore so you, know but,
YEAH i just don't think, that you, know eighteen to twenty,
two you need to go play overseas and then come
back and do all the. Things like it's good for the.
Sport they're getting. Further, NO i don't think the collegiate.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
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Speaker 5 (30:24):
No for, WHAT i think they're getting further and further
away from the collegiate aspect in terms of college and,
learning but also time management and understanding life and here's
classes and maybe you, know Maybe i'm just playing football
as a means to as the vehicle driving me to
something else in a different. Schools so it's just a.
LOT i don't get.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It, YEAH i look at it, like, obviously trying to
grow the, sport you're reaching some you, know maybe some
teenage kids who aspire to do that and come to
An american.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
University and what THE nfl, does and essentially THE nfl
is the one that they're looking. At THE nfl is
the one doing, That, OH i want to play, Football
so now you know what you know to find the
outlets because of THE nfl that will lead you to.
COLLEGE i, think, YEAH i think it.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Depends on the PROGRAM i find.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
IT i think it might be a little more challenging
to go To dublin and Have iowa will all due,
Respect iowa stayed In Kansas state and people, GO i
cannot wait to be a.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
CYCLONE i Saw dublin.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
Will make more sense if they did two years.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Ago, yeah yeah they.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Did and last year it Was Florida state In Boston,
college wasn't It you think something.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Like That boston how was? Won? YEAH i remember.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
That, Yeah Florida state was highly ranked at the, time
which shows you about preseason. Rankings but, anyway it's it's
happening this Weekend. Michigan michigan stateill play the following, weekend
do you? So speaking Of, michigan we all know what has,
happened what has transfer with your alma, mater and then
the now the appeal process, begins WHICH i get why

(32:07):
some people are a little confused at.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
That you'd like the.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Amount of money That michigan was, fined you would like
that reduced AND i suppose there's really no. Downside there's
no downside to this because it's still gonna be in the.
News it'll be in the news next year Because Charmion
moore is gonna miss a game next, year ironically enough
In germany Against Western. Michigan so it's still still gonna
stay in the.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
News what was.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Your overall response when you found out what THE ncaa
handed down To.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
MICHIGAN i expected. IT i, mean at the end of the,
day if it was going to be something, more if
we were going TO fourfeit CHAMPIONSHIPS forfeit, titles a significant
amount of games we missed For sharome wore this. Year next,
year we would have got winned that way before because
they would have got winn of, it and that would
have been something that was talked. About and so we
had to figure that. Out the fact that it came,
late it was gonna be something like. THIS i, mean
it's twenty million. Dollars i'd, say we're a big business.

(33:02):
School you have me billionaire as we got on our,
payroll YOU i mean billionaire lums we got at the
drop of a. Hat we can make a phone. Call
but shouldn't be the point, Though but you ask, me
And i'm Just i'm eloquating How i'm, Eloquating and that's
WHY i started with what would you like me to?

Speaker 4 (33:15):
SAY i don't know what you're, SAYING i want you
to say.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
It i'm just saying when people, Say michigan we got
we got more money than anybody, else and so on
and so, forth that the point is that twenty million
dollars is still twenty million. Dollars it hits your athletic
department Because michigan handles things differently than most other. Schools
michigan does not rely on the university for their football.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Program it pays for.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Itself so twenty million dollars IS i think, significant and
if it could be as hard as thirty, million, yeah
it is. Significant AND i do understand Why michigan would then,
say you know, what let's appeal and see if we
can lower, it because, look even if it's eight to
ten million, dollars it's still eight to ten million.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Bucks who's to say how much is?

Speaker 5 (33:56):
ENOUGH i, agree AND i just disagree with. You though
at the end of the, day miss skin got. Money
michigan has, money and at one point thirty three that
they keep in kitty cash that they keep for things
of this. Nature we'll go about taking care of, that
and then they can Have Larry ellison or then they
can Have Stephen ross or. Whoever other donors helped them
in that. Situation as it relates to the, issue this
is THE nc DOUBLE a big ten underneath them still

(34:17):
find a way to get It michigan because they hated
how things played out the whole incident When michigan, happened
when THE NC doublea no longer had, power THE nil
had taken. Over they didn't like. That michigan And Jim
harbaugh thumb their nose up at them and they had
to take. It there's nothing really they could do about.
It so if they want to Keep michigan's name in the,
press be smudging their. Name if you will go right, Ahead,

(34:40):
Charonmore michigan game Against Western michigan does nothing for. Us
the only thing will be the post season, revenue especially
Because michigan believes it this. Season next year they will
be in that. Postseason them losing out on, THAT i
think that is a. Deal but suspending counter stallions and
Suspending Jim, harbaugh this is an old rooted. Issue is
still trying to Drag, michigan keep it in the. Public

(35:02):
at the end of the, day what really happened absolutely?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Nothing well what the, well you admit something. HAPPENED i
mean they were in the.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Wrong i'm not talking about. That i'm talking about what
happened that Affects michigan like that bothers them this season
or next.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Nothing what would you think would have, been from your
point of, view the right punishment that they should.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Serve and this is the right. Punishment like every year
it's been. Something it'd be twenty million this, year it's
postseason revenue this, year next, year next year is a
Game Jim harball's. Missed how many? Games Sharon wore missed some.
Games so like they keep tacking things on over the
past three and a half years. Now so there's been.

(35:45):
ENOUGH i mean just in twenty three, alone when you
announce on an airplane That Jim harball's not to coach
The Penn state game that almost Cast michigan national. Championship
SO i think enough has been. Done because if you're
not just gonna come out and Say michigan cheated, four
go the national championship. Trophy you guys didn't win. That
if you're not gonna say, that then what are we talking?

(36:06):
About you find us you suspended, hardball you suspend it
your own, more you Suspended connor. Stallions you've gotten, coaches
you've gotten rid of. Coaches what more would you like
them to?

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Do but just so we're, CLEAR i don't want people
to think one.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Thing you're not saying that THE ncaa has it out For, michigan,
Right you're just saying in this in this, Situation michigan
was penalized and they were penalized. Properly, Sure, OKAY i
just wanted that. Clarification some people will, say you're trying
to tell Me michigan doing didn't do anything.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Wrong they did do something.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Wrong they got. Penalized so, yes they did something. Wrong
obviously they agree with that they got. Penalize, YEAH i.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Don't i've never AND i we had this conversation With,
anson who was emotional about from A michigan state, perspective
AND i understand.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
THAT i don't understand The michigan state. Perspective, yeah you
have nothing to do with.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
This, yeah they look at it as it's quote unquote
unfair if somebody else had done This, Okay tennessee back
in the day for crying out, loud you know he
was he was looking for another program that is as
dirty or unclean As.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Michigan if there was another, program you wouldn't hear about.
It the reason why we're still talking about it is
because it Was, michigan Because michigan is holier than. That
michigan And Notre dame were like the two schools that
are unscathed or what excuse? Us you, know we have
a blimas On, america the big blimage, now but they
were like the unscathed, institutions if you. Will this has
been going. On teams have been doing, this the same

(37:35):
Stuff michigan was. Doing If Ohio state would have done,
it we wouldn't be. Here If alabama would have done,
it we wouldn't be. Here If georgia would have been,
it we wouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
HERE i, Disagree, YEAH i think we would be.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Here would but in fairness to those, schools they didn't
have a member of a coach of staff on a.
SIDELINE i think that is the worst look that they've
had through. This it's one. Thing stealing signs happens all the.
Time how many times this is an interesting. Perspective how

(38:05):
many times in your playing career were guys changing up
signals from the?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Sidelines oh all the?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Time, right maybe different, quarters maybe at the half or.
Whatever but people act, like see they knew the Sign
those signs change on a regular basis during the. Game
So i'm not sure exactly what you think you're, Accomplishing
but being on the sidelines and somebody else's hat and
somebody and having the glasses and all that other that
was the one thing THAT i think perturbed people the

(38:34):
most more than anything. Else, Personally if you're trying to
take away a, CHAMPIONSHIP i think that falls on deaf.
EARS i think everybody's gonna recognize that. Championship it's always
going to be in the. Books it's not like people
are gonna go back and, say you know, what see
there was no champion in you KNOW x amount of
year because they. Cheated nobody does. That they didn't do

(38:57):
that With louisville. Basketball they haven't done that in the.
Past they've tried to take it, away but in the,
end people still recognized that team as the national, champion.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
As they said they were national. CHAMPIONS i beat this
horse that was dead in the face before you, know
talking About Conde stallions and what happened in the. Sheeting
did it help did it? HURT i don't. KNOW i,
mean no one's ever even came out fully and, said,
Well jim knew this or they knew, that and he did,
this and he did this. Well Connor stallions acted on his.
Own so getting caught up in what it is and
what it. Was we still Beat Michigan state by forty

(39:29):
seven when they. Knew we still Beat Ohio state And
Hassan hasking that had four touchdowns, Rusting so, like what
are we talking? About what are we still doing? Here
are you trying to punish your own? More, fine here's
a game Against Western it's all.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Good, yeah two games this, year a game next, year
and then what many people want is the punishment of a.
Program so they were, like no postseason ability this. YEAR
i Don't i've always asked people of. This if that's your,
opinion that's, FINE i respect. It i'd like to know
how much is? Enough that's ALL i. Ask and if you,

(40:03):
say you know what postseason ban this? Year why this
year and not? Next why not.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Two?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Years why not three? Years what exactly are you trying
to accomplish. That you want to punish the, coach you
want to punish the. Administration how much is left? Over
there has to be some type of acceptance of. Blame
what is? Enough it's never, Answered like THE ncaa thought
there was enough there to require a postseason, ban but

(40:34):
didn't implement such a postseason, ban AND i wonder why that, Is,
LIKE i think those are questions that people have that would.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Go a long way to solving all but the.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Debate but that's not enough In michigan to. Decide and
then that that's the space Where michigan you get confused
because you want us to tell us what we're supposed to.
DO i mean people supposed To we're supposed to tell you,
what say a viable option for a suspension or what's
a viable option for. Punishment the NC, doublea they sure
didn't come out and, say, Well michigan did, this and

(41:08):
this is what we. Think they led you on a
three year tire rate of well maybe we can do,
this or let us get back to, you or let
us think about, it or let us, meet let's put
it on the big. Ten big, ten you, say What
michigans has to Do Big ten, said, nah we'll put
it back on THE nc. Double can you Tell michigan
were they, wrong what was? Wrong what? Happened at some

(41:28):
point somebody come out and, say this is what, happened
this is what was, wrong this is what the penalty,
is and people accept, it, like don't look For michigan to, say,
yeah this is across the board, too exactly Like i'm son,
like we're, confused because it's.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Confusing, yeah, yeah giving self imposing your own, penalty people
scoff their nose at.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
That my question to them would, be if.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You were the athletic, director if you were in charge
of that, school whichever school it may, BE i don't
care if It's michigan or another, school what exactly would
you impose for your own? Punishment, so and then you,
know When anton AND i had that, conversation take away the, championship.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
You wouldn't do. That you would not do.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
That you would lose all credibility and support from, coaches student,
athletes student, body a lot of the student, body and
more importantly your. Donors so you wouldn't do. That please
don't feed me, that because that's not. True that's not
something that you would. Do, now if they said to,
you you self impose first and, foremost and then we'll

(42:32):
adjust from. There if THE, o THE, ncaa if you're any,
school who are you self imposing. Against you're not doing
it AGAINST, msu you're not doing it Against Ohio.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
State what are you gonna?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Do you're gonna do against teams that you feel like
you've got an advantage.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
OF i would do that, too just about everybody. Would
that's human. Nature don't you think.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
It's just a battle that's gonna enrage on for a long.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Time AND i.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Suppose is when people, say, well they got a game next,
year so it's gonna come up. Again you know, What
it's gonna come up, again no matter. What so why
not if You're, michigan go and appeal. That see if
you can lessen the financial. Load and if you can't
and you got to live with twenty to thirty, million
then so be. It but if you can lessen that financial,

(43:21):
Load i'd be doing.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
It why?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Not see what your thoughts are on the chat and
any thoughts on.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
The college football that is right around the, corner AND i.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
See it here in the. Chatman some people, there they're
all Over Ohio state right, Now, man there all Over Ohio.
State it gives one of the things that they definitely
know is no matter what to say about That hustle championship,
year and you know That Ohio state did win, one
they still couldn't Beat. Michigan they still couldn't solve the,

(43:52):
Strength they still couldn't solve the. Plays they still couldn't
solve the fact That michigan has them figured.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Out and you're talking about last, year that's how you
were talking About Jim trussel when they got in, trouble,
yeah with Tattoo, gate but it really WAS i, mean
it was a ridiculous, penalty that was.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
What, yeah especially in hindsight now looking, Back, yeah that
the penalties.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
At all their gold jackets or their gold pants for for.
Tattoos is that really that big of a? VIOLATION i,
mean come, on this is the issue with the nc.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Double it's.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Weak it's a week, Committee, okay they don't have any.
Guts and when as this, progresses as THE nil, progresses
and eventually student athletes will end up, unionizing and eventually
there will be strikes in the future and we'll sit
back and we'll be pissed off and wish it was
the way When brailin, played and so on and so.

(44:45):
Forth the nc DOUBLE a can be ultimately to blame
because they never curtailed. It they never thought forward enough
thinking to believe this is what could be done just in.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Case that's what good leadership does. Us they look.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
At things just in case what's gonna happen down the.
Road they never thought of. It it's gotten out of
hand and out of, control and they've got no way
to curtail. It.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Now the situation is just all over the. Place you
KNOW ncuba had. Started you can go back to nil,
space you can go back to what they knew was
going to, exist and you could have protected yourself. Then
BUT i ain't know what you let it get. Here
but just speaking on The michigan, situation it's so many
unknown FACTORS i think that played to this. Situation you
bring up your house state. Stuff, Okay so did they
hire a private law? Firm did they do all the?

(45:32):
Information and was it related To Ryan?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Day was it his?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Brother did they do this? Information did, they you, know
come up with a long expose if you, will have
of documents of proof of What michigan was doing and
then submit this information to THE nc DOUBLE a that's
already conflict Adventures Greg chiano And. Rutgers it just it's
so many layers to pull back that you just really

(45:55):
wanted to be over. Right so many people got involved
in THE nc DOUBLE a because of what they were dealing,
with transfer portal nil, space not having the, respect nobody
listening to. Them they couldn't make that. Decision they couldn't
say this is what, happened this is what the penalty
is because nobody was listening to. It you can't make
that statement as AN ncaa when you got institutions in

(46:16):
YOUR Acc Florida state And cleinton talking about we don't
even want to be a part OF. Acc in, fact
we're suing to get out of THE. Acc when you
got all this going, on like your ship is so
all over the, place you can't dial into What michigan,
did What michigan didn't, do what's the penalty for what
they did and move? Forward because it's so many as

(46:37):
you call them, Leaks you got so many leaks in your.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Boat, yeah they are so not set up for this
type of. Investigation they're just.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Not and that's why when people say it's the, wild wild,
wiest it really. Is what is the level you've talked
To i'm sure a lot of Your michigan brethren over
the years or over the last few, days and you've
known a lot of guys over the. Years what is
their level not, embarrassment but what's the level of understanding
of what has happened and overall how they think it

(47:05):
Affects michigan's image in.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
GENERAL i think at the end of the, day everybody
That i've talked, to everybody And i've seen kind of
speak on this, matter is just knowing that it's still going.
On they understand that something took. Place whether it was
known or, not it's still something we have to take responsibility.
For there was an, advantage if you, will that we
acquired by being able to do. This you, know it
doesn't matter who knew about. It this is what was going,

(47:29):
on and some people knew, This so, yeah you, know
we did something, wrong you, know in that. Sense AND
i think it's been taken care. OF i think it's been.
DISCUSSED i think because of what it was and because
of what we know goes on on a day to
day basis in this. Space and you knew it was,
edible you knew it was, adaptable you knew it was.
Changeable it's. Done what's done is.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Done how often did you line up in college and
opposing defenses recognize certain, sets certain situations that your team
was in and had a pretty good understanding because they
were such film hogs of what was going to happen
all the.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Time that's what that's what all it was are, for you,
know all the. Time you, know they see you line
up in a certain, set or they see the tendency
in a in a stands or a. Split oh he's
got a short split. Brailing usually when he runs a
six yard, split he's probably gonna run the corner route
on the badger. Play so, yeah you know that that,
exists you, know and seeing something in pregame if somebody
you know call it wind of something like, hey look

(48:25):
watch this when they go trips right With Jason vaan
on the. Outside that happens all the. Time it's a
part of the. Game you gotta, learn you gotta, Adapt
you gotta just on the, fly like it is a real,
sport is real live on the fly, Adjusting and that's what.
Happened so that's all that's all the time you're telling
me they had some plays a, RIGHT.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
A lot of it's out of, Tendencies, Right you're recognizing
tendencies of what another team does to try and prepare for.
It And i've said this for a long. TIME i
DON'T i don't know if this is a great, example
but i'd like your take on. It you AND i
could go to any game and take our phones and
record what opposing coaches are doing and go back and

(49:06):
study it enough with somebody with your football acumen and
recognize what some of their tendencies were going we're. Doing that's,
why you, KNOW i don't think it's a problem that
you've got one guy who is studying what the other
team is. Doing that is pretty. Typical they do that
in every. Sport you don't think they've got baseball people.

(49:27):
POINT i, know guys way back in the day would
have somebody in center field looking at. Signs some say
that you, know they're relaying them to the. Hitter but
there are certain guys who have done, that and it's a,
thing all. Right, no that wasn't referring to, that BUT
i mean that happened with his, team, obviously and he

(49:48):
paid the price for it publicly and lost his, job
but was able to find another. ONE i think a
big reason why he's as loyal To detroit as he should.
Be but my point is that you can go to
a lot of places and you can find people who
can break that down for, you. Right that's WHY i
say The Connor stallions on the sideline was a line

(50:10):
that was stepped. Over if it's him in the stands
filming kool aid And ricky can do that for, us
bring it, back, yeah And braylan can. Say my guess
is this is what they're. Doing there is the tendencies
right there watching film on a regular. Basis they've got
guys who do that for every program and every quality.
Program it's the taboo was doing it on the, sidelines

(50:31):
especially of a.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Rival, look that's, fine But Michigan state was sorry as.
Hell i'm, like forgive, Me i'm so tired of the
old his gown the. Sideline and this is WHY i,
say you don't know What Connor stallions is doing on
his Own Like jim. Mcawaine we know it was on
the coaching Staff university Of michigan and he was a
head coach In Central. Michigan so there in line is that.
Connect he was on the sideline of the central game
Scout Michigan. State oh my, god we have to scout

(50:53):
This Michigan state. Team and it's so vital for this
twenty twenty three rivalry game Because Michigan state is that.
GOOD i don't know what the hell happened With Connor
steyn's AND i don't know how he got on that,
sideline but it Was Michigan state who they beat about forty,
seven and we see what that program. IS i just
don't believe. That the emphasis, Was, Hey, connor we need
you to do what you. Do send you up, here

(51:15):
get on this, sideline recruit this. Mission excuse, me scout
This michigan tape team for us so we can get
all the advantages in the things like just blow it
out of, you you know what with. That SO i
don't know what happened in that, case and that's WHY
i want all the.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Information, yeah and are we going to get? It that's the,
question you, know because here's the devil's advocate An i've
been waiting for that for a long long.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
TIME i was told about that about three years.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Ago.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Listen but here's here's the one THING i would, Say devil's.
Advocate if it wasn't that, important why was he doing it?
Right and that's where it comes back to what you were.
Saying was he doing it on his? Own was he
instructed to do? It if it wasn't you know when people, say, oh,
cheating it's not that big of a.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Deal what do you have to do? It you, know
he's not that big of a. Deal it wasn't wasn't helping
you while we're taking?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Him you know WHAT i?

Speaker 5 (52:06):
MEAN i. Agree i've Met Connor, Stallions i've talked to
him a couple of. Times i've watched the documentary until
which really was. Nothing it's Nothing burger like He he
strikes me as a type of individual that does things
on his. Own this is not me trying to Dissociate.
Michigan at the end of the, DAY i don't. Care
like this really does not harm me in any, way

(52:26):
say fashion, form and apparently it doesn't harm the. Institution
still national, Champions Jim, harbaugh still doing his, Things so
what doesn't.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Matter but you think he's a rogue guy.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
EXACTLY i think he's a rogue guy like AND i
think this rogue move got him, caught and in doing,
so it got the institution caught. Up, LIKE i don't
know what was? What Maybe jim knows. More Maybe i'm,
giving you, Know Connor stallions too much. Credit but he
just feels like someone who does his own. Thing it

(52:55):
makes no absolute sense to be on that sideline That
Central michigan game against. Me you can, say, like that's
just a situation WHERE i feel like everything was. Good
i'm cooking with, grease you know What i'm. Saying i'm
in the, STANDS i got my whole, PLAY i can,
Record i'm giving the information or however the information is
being passed. Off i'm doing. This how CAN i take
this up A? Dutch how CAN i get some more?

(53:17):
Insight how CAN i do? More because you're not getting
any more insight by being on the. Field this just
seems like something that you want to. DO i want
to be on the. Field how close CAN i get
to the? Action CAN i get so close to the
action Where i'm standing inside next To jim McElwain As
i'm doing Whatever i'm doing to help out The university Of.
Michigan that's Where i'm at With Conna stallion's and the whole,

(53:40):
deal because it's something about this part him being on the,
sidelines wearing the, glasses wearing this like that's the part
where it's.

Speaker 7 (53:48):
Was there ever a time that he worked for seeing?
You BECAUSE i see some people in the chat they
believe that there was a time that he had some
association what's seeing?

Speaker 5 (53:56):
You he's association everybody Like Conna stallion's makes it. Happen
like he was on That melville staff right around the
time they need. It underwood he. Was he was coaching
With eastern for a. Minute He's michigan for he went
month was. After But i'm saying then he went from

(54:17):
month for somewhere else now from. There SO i just
he's the guy who makes a lot. HAPPEN i DON'T
i would be interested to get him on a what
do you call it a?

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Deposition, YEAH i would agree with. That here's my from
from my.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Experience and you've got a much closer association with him
THAN i. Do BUT i think football coaches are some
of the most.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Anal people of all.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
TIME i, mean they are constantly knowing what is going
on with their. Program, OKAY i find my my struggle
WAS i found it really hard to believe That Jim
harbor didn't notice his staff was, fair because that's.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
That's the way.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Football they're so organized for the most, part they're so
organized and so in tune with their. Program it's hard
to watch one hundred plus kids on your. TEAM i get,
that but it's.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Coaches that's a little.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Different unless he gives them the ULTIMATE i trust you
do what do you ever think is?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Best but you know what's coming back to. You that's the.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Problem.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Yeah the one the one part of this whole thing
WHERE i was, like, hmm like WHERE i had a
hmmm moment is when the one, coach you, know right
after getting the word from the, fans from the, coach
don't you, know don't say anything, anybody don't tell your,
players don't do. Whatever and then he went exactly to
his players and he told, them don't say certain, things

(55:37):
don't talk about you did, this blah blah. Blah that
was the one moment and then he was fired for.
IT i believe it was the linebacker's. Cote, Yeah Chris,
Partri Chris, Partrich, oh, yeah that was the one situation
WHERE i, said, hm was there more? Here AND i
know a lot of people are trying to hang their
hats on the the emails scam. Situation that was the
one where they're, like this is, it this is it

(55:58):
that ended up turning out to be very bad and
not in terms of stealing signs or anything related to
the football. Field so The Chris parter situation gave me
pause as if maybe that was the only.

Speaker 7 (56:09):
Thing He partridge brought. IN i Believe Jabrill pepper's, YEAH
i think that's what he was responsible.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
FOR i Think gary as, Well, Yeah, Gary.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah final thought on, this you and your, teammates you
and your. Friends does it stain anything regarding your or
the school in football's legacy at?

Speaker 7 (56:30):
All it?

Speaker 5 (56:31):
DOES i think it. Does LIKE i held my head
high WHENEVER i would go in the. Conversation you can
say whatever you want to About. Michigan you can say
all the, things all the stuff and blah blahlah, blah
all you. Suck you can't be the high Of. State
well it's not the last four, years but you know
all these things being, said like your institution is dirty,
yours like this Is georgia talking to ME, Lsu like,

(56:53):
HELL i know personal stories about how you got a
cheat In alabama playing in THE. NFL i know all the,
STORIES i know all the things THINGS i fought in.
College they actually even were more true THAN i. Thought
so being able to hang our hats on like, that, look,
man we do it the right. Way and it's like
us In Notre. Dame AND i keep saying that because
that's kind of what it felt. Like it was like
all these other. Schools it was a minor blip With

(57:14):
Marcus ray and an agent buying him a. Suit who
cares like a? Suit nobody's, tripping but doing it the right.
Way that was The michigan. Way and it felt good
to be able to say. That and people hated us
with arrogance because of, That you self righteous son of.
It you Damn right, now it's a space Where i'm
a little less, quiet you, know when people are talking

(57:35):
about those. THINGS i can still talk about The National.
CHAMPIONSHIP i still talk about the money that we're. SPENDING
i can still talk, about you, know the people that were.
GARNERING i can still talk about what the brand is.
Worth but there's there's there's a little bit of there's
a little bit of mud on.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
That how about the conversation you are with your, dad
because your dad was a stand up player At michigan.
Tea did you guys have that Conversation munch and what
was revealed if you can reveal any of, it.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
It's the most. Touchdowns, Man i'm just doing that out
there in the history throwing out, there sixty is a.
Lot ye feels feel similar to?

Speaker 4 (58:12):
You, perhaps is that fair to? Say, yeah, okay that's What,
YEAH i believe.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
That, yeah it feels very. Similar that's the same thing
for from seventy, seven from my father until twenty twenty
whatever it was twenty twenty, three he had the same,
thing had the same head held up by you, know.

Speaker 7 (58:28):
And the chatter is shined back in as. Well Chuck,
brewer one of our, regulars longtime support of what we're
sports from the beginning and our side, content says Kool.
Aid the report said that CMU's head coach Invited Conder
sellings to the game to help them beat m S
u in That michigan actually had nothing to do with that.
Game and that's interesting that he shares that because that's

(58:49):
one of the pictures that you see most, popularly.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Unite the most most that's the One anson used and
you need, to And i'm not taking a shot At
anson appeared to he'll be in tomorrow For. Braylan BUT
i mean that's the one he. Used, okay NOW i
haven't seen that.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Report i'd like to see. It, yeah that's the one
that that's the way.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
He said that he was using recording uh lens For.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Michigan, yeah, correct but he.

Speaker 7 (59:15):
Was it was facilitated the report said by cemu is
What Chuck brewer from the chat and others in the chatter.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Story, Yeah i've GOTTA i gotta get, confirm not THAT
i don't Believe, chuck BUT i gotta give confirmation on
that BECAUSE i don't Remember jim mcelwaine admitting. That i've
got to look back at that anything else in the
chat before we hit a break and then move on To.

Speaker 7 (59:32):
Lion they are saying as, well they're, listen they're putting
under cape From michigan. Today they're saying, that, Uh Chris
partridge was exonerated.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
EXACTLY i was saying that was the only thing that
came out and gave me a hmm, moment and then
that did come. Up SO i appreciate that updated.

Speaker 7 (59:47):
Chat but and Crazy clown Says braylan's the.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Suppose, so all, Right wyan's played over the. Weekend we
know that Against miami talk. Lines what was your takeaway
from what your witness to Ford?

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
Field So allen is definitely the backup. Quarterback every time
he goes out, there he has. Success he understands the,
system and he takes what's available to. Him SO i
would be comfortable just in this point with him being
the backup. QUARTERBACK i think your, guy our, Guy Isaac
tesla had another, showing another good. SHOWING i Think meeks

(01:06:37):
had a pretty good game as. Well it was it
looks cleaner the type of, football even though it's the
threes and fours and. FIVES a lot of guys won't
make the. Team the, football the brand of football look.
Cleaner it wasn't much to take. AWAY i tell you.
What the secondary secondary is beginning cooked off. Preseason AND
i understand this isn't the, starters but some of these

(01:06:59):
guys guys that if something, happens they could be a,
fifth you know what'd be a, sixth they could be
a SEVENTH. dB you're gonna go into the, season probably
would about you, know nine to eleven. DB's i don't
see anything out of guys that don't that are not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
STARTING i gotta be honest with. THAT i can't figure it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Out i'm watching these games And i'm thinking there's nothing
moving me. WHATSOEVER i, mean think about. It the dominating
conversation has been the backup flipping, quarterback AND i feel sometimes,
dirty filthy for talking about it so, often BECAUSE i

(01:07:39):
get that it will be important at some point If
Jared goff goes. Down And Jared goff was pretty clean last,
year thankfully to that because of that offensive Line i'm
JUST i suppose some people would, argue you're gonna care
about it when it does when it does, matter and
they would be right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
THERE i don't care about it that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Much hooker's, REGRESSION i, think is this, big if not,
bigger a story Than Kyle allen's, ascension if that makes
sense because of the investment made In Hendon hooker based
on what we've seen so, far it's really not. Close
this is not trail blazing thoughts. Here i'm sure a

(01:08:19):
lot of people at home feel the same, way BUT
i can't ask this. Question would you Keep Hendon hooker
as a third? Quarterback or would you hope that he
passes through waivers and bring him back on the practice squad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Or look?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Outside you, KNOW.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
I hate that we're making as much about the back
of the. Quarterback i'll let you know how much there's
been to talk about In Detroit lions for the. PRESEASON
i just don't. KNOW i think you know what he.
IS i don't think who's. Is brunel's the quarterbacks, Correct
so you can't talk about. It, Well Ben johnson left
and the offensive passing game guy. Left he's now In

(01:09:00):
jets as the offensive. Coordinator so those guys, left so
he isn't getting the same. Teaching you, know he's your quarterbacks,
coach is still, here like the guy that's giving you
the information on a day to day, Basis Mark, brunell
who you're talking, With you're sharing, concepts you're watching, film
you're trying to understand what you see in the, secondary
what you see in a certain play and where the

(01:09:21):
ball should. Go and that guy's still here and it's
not getting any better for him And. Hooker NOW i feel.
BAD i feel. Judgmental so maybe keep him as a
three and see what, happens BECAUSE i don't think you're
really worried about a third string, Quarterback so maybe you keep.
HIM i don't think there's any value for. Him you're
just thinking terms of cutting him for a roster.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Spot, right, man you keep three.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Quarterbacks there's been absolutely nothing that he has shown THAT
i can. Take AND i hate saying this about a
young player in this, league especially a player that you
know maybe hasn't gotten an, opportunity BUT i have to be.
Honest there's been. Nothing there's been not the way he
spins the, ball not the way he is in control

(01:10:07):
in the, huddle or his cadence or his, tempo or
his confidence or his arm, strength or there's nothing to point.
Through and then you go into the game in which
all eyes were On Hinded. Hooker after the first two,
games especially that second, game all eyes were locked in
On Hindon. Hooker we know, that you know that you
gotta do. Something what are you gonna? Do, Well i'm

(01:10:28):
gonna throw the ball right to a defender that jumps
up For he's another. Interception damn another.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
One it was.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
Tough so if they keep him past, that this Is
Brad holmes fall in love with the player and wanting
to give him extra, time want to give him the
chance to prove himself and make this, team which, HEY i,
applaud but don't make this a common practice because if
you fall in love with every guy because you drafted,
him that can lead you to some some bad. Paths
SO i haven't seen anything that warns me to keep

(01:10:59):
hinding hook And that's Where i'm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
AT i would remind people this not that age is
the be all End. All Hendon hooker is twenty seven years.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Old he look.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
Forty, YEAH i mean.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
He looks worn. Out man Looks it's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Crazy it. Is it's absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Crazy he's twenty seven and he doesn't, play you, KNOW i,
mean how much longer do you give a guy based
on what you've seen and knowing that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Even, if even if you keep him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
As a backup or the third string for this, year next,
year he's gonna be twenty eight years. Old when does
the marinating of a player finally? Stop at some point
you got to put the meat on the. Grill, yeah,
Right and it just doesn't seem like it works for.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Him so you bring Up Isaac.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Tesla it's something you AND i have talked about a
lot so, far AND i admitted last week that there's
a part of me that, says, Gosh i'm almost tired of.
It but he's thrust himself into the situation to force
us to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
About, it and that's a good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Thing his body, control his hand, strength his ability to
fend off defenders is Getting he's impressing me more and
more every single, week especially When i'm trying harder and
harder each week to figure out what his weakness.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Is.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
Yeah, NO i hate coming up here every, weekend you,
know talking about him and at that. Nauseum but ALSO
i don't because he's giving like he's giving you reason
to Like Tim patrick is going to be in a.
Dogfight LIKE i legitimately was ready to come up here
before the preseason game and, say, LOOK i understand how
Good Isaac tesla is, playing but, Look Tim patrick is

(01:12:38):
your third wide. Receiver it will take him some time
to crack the roster in that. Space they feel more
comfortable with him and then put him out. There but
when you see what you're seeing in terms of him
going up for the, ball in terms of him making a,
play every time you give him an, opportunity he's doing
something with. It and then also when you're not giving him,
opportunities he's, blocking he's engaging in the run. Game he's
finding ways to add value to This detroit value to

(01:13:02):
this Teacher Detroit lions. Team adding value in life is
the number one thing you can do in any. Situation
every time we bring his name, up he's finding a
way to add value that is going to get you
to play into a spot where They, TIM i love,
you but you gotta make some plays because he is
gonna be breathing down the neck of any wide receiver

(01:13:22):
not Named Jamo amar Ro Saint. Brown SO i love.
It keep it. Going he's also a different, receiver like
he's also the ATHLETIC i hate losing the word of,
freak but he's also the athletic freak if you. Will
he's six,' four he's. Two eighteen he has control over,
his body he has the, athletic upside he has the
vert he has. The speed you saw the routes we

(01:13:44):
broke down. Last week so he's got. Some skill but,
once again it's one thing doing this in the preseason
on threes and fours and fives guys that won't be on,
a roster they won't. Be starting it's another thing to
do it when your name is called and you KNOW
that dB Is, jayalen ramsey OR that dB is insert

(01:14:04):
the nickelback For The Green, bay packers insert the NUMBER
two dB For The. Minnesota vikings so it. LOOKS good i.
Like it, it's consistent it's a touchdown. A week it's
something to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Build on he's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Getting, Close Yeah tim patrick's got to get on the
field first. And foremost second, OF all i was just
going to, ask you how much do you assess a
player in, the preseason knowing they're going up against to
try and be. A, starter okay we're not talking about
a one, or TWO but i think there is a
good debate on why he could be the three because
of what he adds to, the offense a little, different

(01:14:38):
look maybe a little bit more of a red zone
Threat Than tim patrick has been with. This TEAM but
i do wonder how much you assess that knowing that
he's going up against guys who in an't likely if they're,
not starting they may make. Their team these guys may Make,
the dolphins but they're not necessarily going to. Be starting
so how do you kind of come to grips with that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
He won't be against the ones? And TWOS and I
know I threw jalen's name out there that was more
and so'll give you some name recognition so you can
understand the values that he'll potentially. Be into but he's
going against the. Number three like the guys he'll be
going against are The meat robinson's of. The world and
we know what me did this Thing Against. Justin jefferson
they known each other in high school and, All that
but do you want to see a meat go against

(01:15:19):
this guy for a? Whole game like do you want
to see if you're a secondary's coach or you're a,
defensive coordinator this is a this is a matchup that
you do. Not want and If You're, johnny moe this
is a matchup that. You WANT so i think you gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
That way what DB's are he going? Against safeties LAST
time i checked number three nickelback defensive DB's if, you
will sometimes he'll Get A brian. Brant situation we Rave
About brian branch being able to cover as. A safety
i would love to see a safety try To Cover,
isaac tesla and that's what you'll have from time to
time in, game planning just due. To personnel so him going,

(01:15:56):
against threes like, you said he's Not fighting jamo Or.
Almar rosson he's fighting to be in that slot spot
with that third wide. Receiver positions but he's gonna have
a lot of. Favorable matchup.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
It's amazing we've been talking about two third, round picks
one in a negative light because of their inability to
perform in the preseason and in practices for the, most
part And That's. Hendon hooker One In, isaac teslav who
they moved up and seems to have been better than
anybody would.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Have thought and they're both taken in the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Same round it just goes to show you THAT the
nfl and all you're breaking down film, and look if
you looked at, a resume if you looked at a
Resume Of, hindon hooker, you'd, say yeah give me some.
OF that nfl is a completely different, animal man completely different.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
It, is yeah you got to show up and. Show
OUT the nfl is not. For long and when you're
not operating at a, high level when you're not operating
to make people pay attention that that not. For long
it becomes a. Lot faster and so That's What, hindon
hooker that's what he's got. To do he's got to
find a way to tap into whatever had him get
to h to to see have the season that he,

(01:17:01):
was having get on the Radar Of brad holmes before
he tore his acl whatever got him to, that point
and It Was, josh hypel coach down There, at tennessee
who's a wizard on the offensive side of. The ball
he's got. A figure maybe he's got to Call Coach coach,
hypel like sometimes you need. A reminder you get in
these spaces and you play bad and now it's a.
Snowball effect sometimes the people that can get you out

(01:17:24):
of that are people that you. Have successful he might
need to make that. Phone call you think, He's, PRESSING
yeah i know he's pressing because now he's behind the.
Eight ball so now every pass has to be a.
Perfect pass and usually when you try to you try
to throw a dot. Every time now you're trying to push.
The ball now you're trying to guide. The ball now.
You're telegraphing now you're throwing interceptions like it makes perfect

(01:17:46):
sense because you want everything to. Be perfect you're trying
to make the play so that the fans get off.
Your neck you're trying to make, the play so the,
coaches say that's why we're, keeping him that's why we.
Draft him trying to make. That play it just don't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Like that so the opposite, of him Obviously Is. Kyle
Allen and allen was. Really good fourteen. To seventeen thought he,
looked crisp seemed like and we don't know the reds
and all the things that are expected at quarterbacks because
it's so much more detailed than. We thought but fourteen,
to seventeen one hundred and twenty, four yards a couple,
of touchdowns took, a.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Sack, BUT overall i thought he performed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Really well he seems to be getting better with each.
Passing week are you sold that he's a? Number two
or would you go outside the family quote Unquote the
lions family and see if there's somebody else who you
might trust a little.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Bit more i'm all for going outside of the FAMILY
because i believe you're a really really really really really.
Good team and if, something happened is jerraguf for a
GAME or i don't want the excuse for why the
season went down to do you know what is because
you know golf Was OUT like, i think you got
to get a guy that puts you. IN position i
Talk about chad all the time now because he was
my Quarterback, At MICHIGAN but i go back to the

(01:19:00):
instance he did it twice For The Kansas. City Chiefs
chad heyney doesn't step up in, those moments They're Two super,
bowl shy or at least one. For sure you gotta
have a guy that you can trust to go out
there and give you two series if your quarterback, goes
down or give you, a quarter or give you a
half or give you. A game you gotta have a
guy that. You Trust and allen's playing well in. The
preseason but let's, be honest are You trusting allen Against

(01:19:23):
The baltimore ravens if something Happens TO jared, I, mean jared,
Excuse Me. Jared Allen jared, Goff Shouts jared Allen Making
Pro football HALL of fami. This Year But jared goff
is the guy who was talking about what do you
do in the? Second?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Half yeah is that the eye Test From braylan edwards
or is that? The resume he's got, Nineteen starts he's
played in THIRTY one. Nfl, games yeah he's got. Nineteen
starts not like he's throwing a ton, of passes his
touchdown at, an interception twenty, six touchdowns twenty, one picks
and he's. Been around you look at a guy who's
Been in Washington and Carolina and Buffalo. And pittsburgh not necessarily,

(01:19:59):
THAT order i forget exactly, the order but it tells
you that, you know he hasn't been able to settle
in at.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
One spot but on the, other.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Hand it also tells you tells you that others have
found His value so is it your eye test or
is it just the fact that his resume is not
what you think this team needs at, this point considering
how close they are winning.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
The championship i'll be fairing to say it's the. Second
part it's not the, eye test it's more the resume
and where he is because looking at it taking a,
step Back the lions are a run. Based team they
have the best backfield IN. The nfl if you're talking about,
Two Heads Dave Montgomery, jamiir gibs we still have what
we believe to be a really good offen, to line
maybe even better once we get some some chemistry and

(01:20:40):
get some experience. This season so he doesn't have to do.
A ton he's handing the ball Off To jamiro Gibbs Or,
david montgomery or he can use the play action To
Get sam laport or. Right involved, and oh by, the
way he's got one of the TOP five rye receivers in,
the league and he's got one of the fastest players in.
The league so he has a lot of his disposal
to not necessarily have to. Do much and if that's, the,

(01:21:03):
thing fine if you want him just to, Do that
i'm fine.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
With.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
THAT yeah a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Friend of MINE and i were having this Debate. On
saturday we played some golf and, HE said i just
don't know Why the lions just You Keep kyle allen
and you just simplify. The Offense If jared goff, goes
down you hand, it off you pass, out here and
so on and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
So FORTH and, i said do you really think it's.
That easy it's not that easy the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Other team you don't think the other team as Soon
As kyle allen, comes in is basically going, to say
there's No Way jamir Gibbs And david montgomery are going to.
Beat us we're gonna make everything. On him if he,
earns it he, earns it but we're not.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Making it easy. For him he's gonna have to throw
the ball to.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Be successful and THAT'S why i want that quarterback that
really can do it. For you because if you're talking about,
a game if you're talking about, a, half fine even
if you're talking about, two, games yes because they don't.
Have film because you have a lot of options and
they have to prepare for. A lot over a one,
game period over a two, game period you can shock.
Some people but if you're talking more more. Than that

(01:22:00):
now they get film. On you why do You Think,
josh dobbs who always comes in and when he bring
him in as a backup quarterback literally in, the season
even if he's played a game the, week before he
usually comes in what either wins a game or plays
really good because they don't have that film and so
it's just somebody out there that they don't have film
on that they don't know how he's gonna fit. That

(01:22:21):
system but once you get Film, on dobbs once he has,
two games, three games then. What happens he goes from
this miraculous quarterback that's a genius THAT helps nasa and
TEACHES at mit, to YEP he's i see why he's
on four teams in. The, year, yeah right that's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
What.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
Happens mullins.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
He could throw for four hundred yards Against The detroit
lions and, almost win but that very next game you'll see,
three interceptions you see one hundred and, eleven yards and
you realize why he's fighting for a two three spot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Every year matt flynnon parlaid that into a pretty nice
little Contract in seattle when he Left.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
Green back funny sorry. About that that was, twenty eleven
he didn't get the contract. TWENTY twelve i was On that.
Seattle Team pete carroll Never Wanted matt flynn, to play
and he never did like he never gave. Him opportunities
he never let me, not say gave. Him opportunities he
took some first. Team reps russell was taking first team
reps from the start. Of camp midway, through camp the

(01:23:13):
First game, russell started Second game, Russell started so we
knew what that was gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
From jump could you tell us a player?

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
Right WAY because i was an older player at, That
point like by, THAT point, I mean i'm eight nine.
Years in i'm watching from the adult. EXPERIENCED face i
wasn't watching from a second, third year second. THIRD year
i would, be, like man what's? Going on this? Is crazy,
SITTING back i, was like they don't want to pay
that man. That money they don't want to. Pay him
they can cut him and they'll be able to get
Off the they will be able to get off the

(01:23:42):
hook for a lot of. That cast, and oh by,
The way russell's the third. Round quarterback, yeah Right who
you're not gonna have to pay very much. Of ANYTHING
so I Saw. PETE carroll i.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Saw, it yeah that's that's where the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Whole Was for.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Lions Fan russell wilson was a third round that's the example.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
You used oftentimes we use examples of really successful players in.
Certain rounds, you Know the Tigers Got terror schoobel in the,
ninth round who says they can't do. It again, You
know I'm On Ross saint brown was a fourth round
pick who says they can't do IT again a lot.
OF time a lot of those times there is, a,
REASON right, i mean there are they the diamond in the.

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
PROVERBIAL rough, i mean what do You Mean isaac tesla
that was about to be a star third.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Round, PICK yeah i don't KNOW if i go so
far as, to start but he's gonna be. A player
he's gonna be. A starter he's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
A starter but you also have to. Watch that and
THE thing i said, ABOUT that i never was sold
on hand the hooker, from this, FROM this i wasn't
sold on before you Got. To tennessee now you. Take
him you put Him in Tennessee With, josh haipel who
was an, offensive dynamo and he had. Some Success russell
wilson WON the acc and Won The. Big, Ten right

(01:24:51):
so whatever you want to Say about russell and what
happened later on in, HIS life i mean later on in,
his career he got a, little slower can't get out,
of pocket can't see over the offensive line. Of scrimmage
when he was in your you, two year three, to
seven you saw it because you saw what he did.
In acc you saw what he did In The big Ten,
of wisconsin like you knew what he was. Capable of
so like it's a. DIFFERENT thing i don't Know What

(01:25:12):
hinton hookers. K bele, you know you give him the
right quarterback and the, shotgun offense AND in ncaa he has.
SOME success i don't know if that translates TO.

Speaker 11 (01:25:20):
The.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Nfl rely that's the big knock right now in the
question Mark Regarding, Sam darnald you know Who Made? Sam
darnald Was it kevin O'Connell or Was It sam? Darneld
himself and most people feel like it's. The coach he
may be Exposed. In seattle it's amazing how different situations.
Can be did Anyone Think geno smith was gonna be

(01:25:41):
worth anything.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
While he was in the?

Speaker 8 (01:25:43):
Jets?

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Hell, No no suddenly he Goes. To seattle he's pretty. Damn,
Good okay i'm not saying i'd. Want him i'm not
saying he's, you know He's a Hall of. Fame player
i'm just telling you he could lead.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
YOUR team.

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
I agree you know what Happens With. Geno smith you're
talking about a guy at, one point same kind. Of
story first seven Games At west, virginia year he was
leading and running for, the heisman like after the seventy
two to forty Game, against baylor like he's leading up For.
The heisman but what he's doing he comes to, the
league doesn't. Have success he then Sits Behind, eli manning
he Sits Behind, philip rivers he Sits Behind. Russell wilson

(01:26:19):
he's sitting Behind three Hall of. Fame quarterbacks, and oh by,
the way he still could play the game a. Little
bit it's about getting to the. Right system jets a.
Horrible system they're getting it on the. Right track let me,
stop there but they were a horrible System when gino.
Was there then you go play Behind three Hall of,
fame quarterbacks then you're able to kind of PROCESS what
i was DOING when i, was YOUNGER how i can

(01:26:39):
see it now take what they, give me you, add,
veteranism man and now you're a much. Different quarterback that's, the,
process Though Like geno smith went through a, good process
was able to sit in some really good. Quarterback rooms
he was able to pick the brains of some really.
Good quarterbacks whatever you feel. About Him the Hall, Of
FAMERS so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
I forgot he was With. The giants completely forgot. About,
THAT yeah i thought It, was jets AND then i
thought It was seattle and there were stops In between
giants And. The chargers to, your point, excellent point, great
memory and really impressive Opportunity For gino smith to turn his.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Career around and now not that he.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Would be a top. Ten guy we've talked about that in.
The past but if You Said gino smith's be your
starter for a, few games you could do a.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Lot worse half the reason.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
They wrote me last year one of the code is quotes.
Postgame interviews ever they wrote. Me OFF but i ain't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
RIGHT back i like that last, Three years for what,
it's worth he's been a. Winning quarterback for what. IT'S
worth i know a lot of people will, be like
that doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
To me he's got to get in, the playoffs and
he's got to perform in the playoffs and all. That stuff,
THAT'S fine i don't disagree. With you i'm talking about
as a guy who is your sec your more like
your third TIER. Q b it's more about his turning
him able to turn his.

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keep talking about it that. Injury bug we don't want
to see it. Pop UP and i know that it's
percolating just a. Little bit we haven't. Gotten decimated but, My,
GOODNESS brailyn i think you said the. Best man you
can't even afford another injury to, your edges even if
it's one of. Your rookies this was a guy that
we thought might have an opportunity to play at least some.
Depth man so noting.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
There was six on the pup list going into the,
preseason game and now if, this, happens yes it's A
depth i wasn't counting. On him it was with a
couple of my Buddies on saturday playing golf and, they
said who's the one player is key To.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
The lions, i'm like that's a really. Hard question, you know,
in football it's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Really, hard okay, A, starter yeah They Said. MARCUS davenport,
I said i'm not Relying On. MARCUS davenport i.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
Can't rely On somebody i've never, seen exactly just can't rely.
ON him i haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Seen it and that's THE way i Feel about HASSANIN
who i want, To succeed love, the motor. Love everything
i'm not looking at, it, like hey our six round
pick is going to be. Our, Savor, no no it's
NOT that. I don't i'm not going to. Miss him special, teams,
guy right and probably a. Depth guy he's not making this.
Massive impact but when you lose guys who are, you

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know suddenly it's. A lie mcmill they start to add.

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Up, right yeah that's a concern starting coming out on both,
sides Though. Kool, a yeah on the starter side of,
the Ball, Like elimi nil is still. NOT out i
mean it is going to. Be out you got two
guys start on, the left starting. The right they're just,
coming back, you know and now you got guys. Going
out hassanin is the latest injury on that. Defensive line

(01:37:09):
you don't want to lose any players on that. DEFENSIVE
line i don't care if their edge or if they're.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
In tior you.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
Just don't we saw that, last year and we saw
the div was and we tried to overcome in spite
of and you saw In the. Commander's game you just
can't sell This is it may not be nothing until
you Get, to november until you Get, to december until
you look up and you're looking at A paddle connor
to help, you out. You know and that's what we
were excited about him Working. With aiden we weren't excited

(01:37:35):
because in game one he was gonna have. Two sacks
we were excited because over a season over Working, with
huts overseeing and over getting a couple, of reps he
may be a serviceable option when you get To late November.
Through january now that seems.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
To go and by, the way so he could be,
AT piece i mean because he can play outside and inside.
Defensive line you just don't want him starting every down
and you don't want him as. A starter you don't
mind him as. A, backup look you were right about.
All this two, weeks ago YOU and i had are
the starters going? TO play, I said i think they're
going to start and play at least a couple, of
series and you said.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
They're not Going to i'm glad. They're not this is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
The things it's such a. Hard sport it's such a. Collision.
SPORT again i can get on my soapbox and say
this IS why i don't think there should Be eighteen
games's why there shouldn't, be seventeen and there shouldn't be four.
Preseason games but when you see a team get hit
like this with, Their, Depth Look, Malcolm, RODRIGUEZ okay I
mean i know it's in. The, OFFSEASON still i mean

(01:38:34):
it's a. Depth guy this sport takes its toll on
their bodies, so MUCH and i. Get that we, want
satisfaction we want to see. Our teams we want to
see this all, the time every. Single weekend your body
just can't.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
Handle it you talk About Same alcam mariguez had interception
in the playoffs when. It mattered he's about. That, Guy
yeah like see it sounds early on in the season
like it's just until you realize that those players are
important as a relations to. THE preseason i think we're
forgetting how scared. And shook let me, start back we're

(01:39:08):
forgetting about how many injuries we had. Last year and
if you're a head coach and you can directly point
to this is Me giving dan. The credit so whatever
you can point to all those defensive players being injured
as to why the season kind of got derailed in
the last part up Against, the commanders and maybe even,
moving forward maybe you get it because for all we
talk about we want To see I'm Around, saint brown

(01:39:30):
or we want To See jared goff for, a series
or we want To See jamir gibbs Or Let jack
campbell get, out there get used to hitting some guys
and get. It Going if I'm Around saint bron would
have been in the one injured and Not Ha sadein
it would be a very different outcry from. The fans
there would be a very different Calling Of dan campbell's
head and what was he doing and why would you?
Play him he doesn't. Need this he's an all. Pro guy,

(01:39:51):
you know he knows. The game he has. A relationship
that's what he's awesome. About it so for all of
us that want him to go out there and play
the guys so they can get in rhythm and so
they're used to a hidden you go out there and
get one of your main guys injured in a preseason
that no longer looks like the old, prison anyway that's
weird that no, one plays and if, they do now.
It's confusing, it's like why he's playing your starters against

(01:40:13):
the fourth and someone. Gets hurt now you're a. Negligent
coach now you put your players in a. Bad Situation
so dan's getting ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Of it would they do you think they'd be playing
if they didn't have two dual Practices against miami and
then this Week, against houston you think? They, would okay
that's taking the place of the starters playing preseason.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
Because you're doing the things in practice that you would
have sentially be doing the game now they're not going,
full tackle and that you can't get a beat on
because tackle is. Different thud and for as much as
stud you hit and you get, the pop it's different
when you go into, the ground so you can't, get
that but you get in the work in it's against.
The ones you're imitating as close as you can without

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going to. The ground. That's enough and That's What dan campbll.
Was thinking, you know if the most it comes of
it is struggling in the opener and winning in overtime
like they did. Last year at, this point it's where.
We are JUST like i tell you what COLLEGE full
i just, got ACCEPTED and i think that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
It IS can i just go back two weeks and
remind everybody in case you, missed it the man whose
name is on The, show edwards it's made, This Prediction
zadarius smith will Be a lion in the final week of. The,
preseason listen this, accelerates, things perhaps but don't tell me

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that that thought isn't crossing more than one person's mind
In the lion's.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Front office it. Already was but now if this is
as scary as it makes it out, to BE and
i don't want to push the panic.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
BUTTON yet i think that accelerates things a little Bit For.
Zadarius smith could it be?

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
Wrong there yesterday's price ain't. Today's price yesterday you didn't necessarily.
Need it more when you go Back to april and
you felt confident with the movie that you're, gonna make
and who, you drafted and who was working out, in
camp and who looked different and who was healthy from,
last year you, know what we got a little bit
of a whatever this thing was that Happened with Zadarius
And dan campbell that led to where, we are, all,

(01:42:12):
right cool you got that. Going on now you're down
three defensive linemen since, training camp one before and. Two
during now you're. Down three now you're looking, at, it
well you start looking all. The positives you start looking
at the money. You, HAVE you, i mean we have.
The money, you know he he is a good player.
For us he does fit the. LOCKER room i mean

(01:42:33):
you saw. Cash out she unscrubbed her social because cash
down had talked about they had, broken up and, you
know wrote this. Long soliloquy but two days ago she
erased the posts about them being, Broken up AND all
i HEARD was i love, my man, my man. My
Man so Her and zadarius seemed to be, like this

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you know. What's next what a.

Speaker 7 (01:42:54):
Resilient Player that's Zadarius.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
Smith man and you.

Speaker 7 (01:42:57):
Know WHAT big z was taking over the chat as
you guys were talking. About. This first people haven't heard
About the hasane news because there is a lot of
hype and a lot. Of hope But instantly aaron to,
the STONE sign. Z now and this Is where i'm
seeing all throughout the chat is, just yo they should
have BEEN. Signed z they got to. Sign.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
Z uh let me see if they Should.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Sign educated on two weeks ago, he, said look he doesn't.
Need it he who would know Better Than brelyn evers
he doesn't. NEED it i said the same thing as
that they're saying in. THE chat i want to. SIGN
him i thought it was going to be the. Last
week if these guys know this better, than anybody they
know exactly what. They need when you've been in the league,
thirteen years you know exactly what you need to. Ramp,

(01:43:41):
up okay, football shape you've reminded this football shape is.
Completely different so you may look like in great shape,
right now but if you got on the, football field
it be different kind.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Of shape how Long Does zaderius?

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Smith need how much would this benefit him the rest
of this week and next week as you lead up
Against The.

Speaker 5 (01:43:58):
Green bay it's going to take him a strong three
weeks to get in football shape in terms of being out.
There playing but the good thing, about IT and i,
REMINDED you i appreciate you. Bring it you too kind
by THE way i brought Up the bruce urban situations
whose urban came in off the streets and had a
sack in. The, GAME man i want to say he
didn't play the, season before and then two seasons four
that he didn't play and he had. A sack so
you're Not asking zadarius to go in there And Be

(01:44:19):
aiden hutchison for, you know sixty eight snaps. A game
you're not asking him To be davenport and play forty
four snaps. A game you're ASKING him, i, wish hey
but you SEE what i dropped THE borrower i talked.
About it you're asking him to come in maybe. Thirteen
snaps he's had a thirteen snap count right now even
if he was. In CAMP so i think he'd, be

(01:44:41):
fine realistic.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
A one, year, deal man it's gonna be a one.
Year deal the devil's advocate, would say how come no
one else has? Signed him if he's that good and,
that important why hasn't anybody else? Signed him the homer
in me, would say he's already got something worked out
where he wants to be Back.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
In detroit it's got a chest and will ring.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Here, agree okay so he wants to be part, of
this like you've already educated. It's us he's he's very
familiar with. The culture he likes, the culture he likes,
the staff he likes. The situation it's it's gonna. HAPPEN
soon I just i thought it would have. Happened Already
but i'm glad you were out in front of it
a couple of. WEEKS ago i think more and more
people in the chat and more and more people will

(01:45:22):
understand that he's gonna be align and.

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
He's gonna be a helpful piece. To this if you can,
STAY healthy i know you got to get back to the.

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Golf courst we're we get to the mail bag when we,
come back and we will tease a little tigers tonight
the match up against. A team i think this is
a really. Important series i'm not worried about them losing.
Their division i'm not worried.

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About not making.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
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To baseball to be honest, WITH you i think.

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In early in sports, IN general i think it's really
important to have some types. Of perspective so when we
say certain series are more important, THAN others i understand the.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
Debate totally.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
I'm not Discounting what detroit Did in Chicago and minnesota
a win. To series they win five out. Of seven
YOU and i get a. Little greedy you think they're Better.
Than chicago they are Better, than chicago so you expect them.
To sweep you think they're Better. Than minnesota they are Better,
than minnesota you expect. To sweep it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
Not the way. Baseball works that's not the way sports.

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Works either but They've got houston come into, town, today
Guys and houston's a good. Baseball team they are third
in all of baseball, on average they are eleventh in
all of baseball and on. Base percentage and from a,
pitching perspective they are Just behind Detroit and era, They're

(01:49:35):
twelve detroit. Is eleven but, more importantly their. Number one
their pitching staff is number one, in Strikeouts and detroit
has the third. Most strikeouts so THOSE numbers i think.
Are important, HOUSTON also i think walks hits per inning
pitch are.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
Really important that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Is fourth they rank fourth In whip so we think
in general That the tiger's strength is pitching among. Other
things their base running is, really good their defense on
the road trip was. Very good their power on the
road trip was. Very good houston Doesn't have, detroit's power but,

(01:50:12):
pitching wise like what they've got coming up here is
going to be really interesting over these. Three games look
at the look at the.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
Second game in the, third game that's You Got hunter
Brown Against. Trek scooble you know what is going.

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Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
NIGHT yeah i.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
LOVE it, i mean this is what baseball, is about
especially at this time of. THE year i do Think
The Framber Valdez charlie morton is a big, matchup too
and that's the series. Wrap UP but i love power
pitchers against. One, another now sometimes it doesn't always, work,
out Okay But hunter brown is a tough s and

(01:51:01):
we all know how good. School is although he has
struggled in two of his last, three starts which one is?
THE key i, don't know but tonight. Will be this
will be very Important Because jack flaherty is thrown. To
night so let me tell You Why jack Flaherty against Philadelphia,
and toronto would, you guys concur those are good. Baseball,

(01:51:21):
teams yeah they're really good, baseball teams. All Right, against
philly he threw, six innings surrendered two hits and one.
Earned Run, against toronto he threw, six innings gave.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
A five hits and no.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Earned runs and Yet against Chicago, and minnesota two teams
that are not. Very good two teams that, are weak
you would argue among the weakest In The. American League
against chicago four and a third, eight hits five, earned
Runs against minnesota four and two thirds, eight hits five.

(01:51:56):
Earned runs what is It About jack larity that makes
him quote unquote rise to the occasion against really good
teams as, of late and not so much. Against, others so,
For example seattle's a really good. Hitting, team seattle he lasted,
five innings gave up four hits and two. Earned runs it's,
not awful but it's not anything. Special either what is

(01:52:19):
it that allows him to dial in a little bit
better against better teams.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
Over the last month? Or so look what he Did.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Against washington his Line against washington. Was bad doesn't look
good Against the nationals when you give up three earned
runs in. Five innings sure he had, nine strikeouts but
he left in Trouble and washington ends up winning.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
That game it's a very.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
Strange scenario tonight might hate the phrase set, the tone
but oftentimes that's the way. It works you're gonna have
two power pitchers Tomorrow in, game Two and detroit is
a team that has a lot of swing, and Miss
And hunter brown creates a lot of swing. And Miss
framber valdesk creates a lot of swing. And miss i'm
not going to try and snowjob. YOU here i have.

(01:53:03):
NO idea i just know he's got a high era
and a. High whip when it Comes To, Spencer, argetti
okay there's no Relations To. Dave riggedtty This Guy. SPENCER
argetti i don't know much, about HIM but i do
know that when you want to measure yourself against, certain
Teams and houston's probably feeling the same. Damn way by,
the way it's not like it's.

Speaker 8 (01:53:23):
Just us.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
We in tigertown here, feel, like well we let's see
what we're.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Made of since.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
We're going up against, You, know toronto who's got the
same number, of wins or going up against the, division
leader or going up again the team that did really
well at the trade Deadline. In seattle the other team's
fan base is probably saying the. Same thing you got
to go up Against a tigers team that is pretty,
damn good and you're facing one of the, best pictures
if not the best pitcher in all of Baseball in

(01:53:51):
game two of.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
The series what else have we got In The super.

Speaker 7 (01:53:53):
Chats eve that you Know the tiger's demise is it's
right on their heels, right now what's?

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
The demos there are some people who.

Speaker 7 (01:54:04):
Believe that they are not the same squad that they,
were before just because they've hit a little bit of a. Rough,
patch now in the beginning of, the season we saw
a lot of good teams hit some rough stretches over
ten to. Twenty games some of these teams that are now,
doing better some of these teams that we, see surging
they hit their rough spots in the beginning of. The
season we See the tigers going through somewhat of a,

(01:54:25):
rough patch and there are some fans whose confidence is
shaken and what they can be As A world. Series
contender it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Good point i'm trying to figure out how far you
have to separate yourself from the quote unquote rough patch
for people to buy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
Back in so they've won seven, of, ten.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Yeah is that? They did you need them to go
on an eleven game role for you to. Do that their,
playoff percentage in case people, were wondering is it ninety
nine point? Three, percent okay that's what the playoffs for
says problems, If people i'm not trying to tell you
how to, feel here but who is it you're worried

(01:55:04):
about In The?

Speaker 4 (01:55:06):
American league can you tell me who you're?

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Worried about and if you say The, Young yankees i'm
gonna punch you in.

Speaker 8 (01:55:11):
The, Kidney okay so Maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
It's toronto maybe it's trying to Say and toronto's.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Really good but if, you don't you Don't think toronto's
slightly Concerned? About detroit, come on you know it's it's
not all. Clear sailing you're twenty games over five hundred
and granted there was a Point where cleveland got to
back within five and. A, half well, guess what you're
a lot more. Comfortable now your eight and a half

(01:55:39):
game lead is a lot, more comfortable is?

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
IT not i would.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
Think, So again i'm not going to try and convince
you they're the best team In the american like they,
were EARLIER because I think seattle's made.

Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
GREAT strides I think.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
HOUSTON'S good I think toronto's. REALLY good I think boston's
playing really. Good baseball but, Guess what boston's hit a
bit of. A snack they've lost four of their LAST
or i, should say lost five of their, last ten
so they're like five and five in their.

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
Last time there's nothing special, there either.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
All right this is why so many of us when
the trade, deadline came wanted something a little, bit stronger
because the league, in general not Just the american the
league in general is. Wide Open the dodgers were seen as. This,
juggernaut Yes Suddenly san diego. Passed, them dodgers w elllie fraud?
HIM again, i, mean seriously Outside, of milwaukee who's running away?

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
With things who's the team you're definitely?

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Afraid of and is that fan base any more fearful
or less fearful of your.

Speaker 4 (01:56:36):
Team than you are?

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Of theirs?

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
Probably not you?

Speaker 7 (01:56:39):
Know what may you preaching over there and they still have.
THEIR doubts I See ken matthews in the chat. As skiing, he's,
asking like will or Can the tigers Win A world
series without a three? Hundreds hitter that's his.

Speaker 4 (01:56:54):
moBack, question, UH yeah i absolutely think you can.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
DO that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
I probably harke him back to this way.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
Too often there was only one three hundred hitter On
the tigers in nineteen, Eighty Four. Alan trammel nobody drove
in one. Hundred runs nobody won, twenty, games okay and
nobody hit MORE than i. THINK three i gotta look.
THIS up I Think lance parrish had twenty nine, home runs.

(01:57:22):
Maybe thirty you can look that up for me and let.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
ME know.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
I absolutely think you can.

Speaker 7 (01:57:28):
Do THAT and I see aaron To. The stone. He's level, He's,
like shep you might need to help out our. Chat,
Family shep, HE. Says shep i'm worried About. The mariners
they are stacked and they've been killing it after Traded.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
For, swrez yeah they're. Really, GOOD yeah, i mean AND
what i now. Remember this they've lost two in a
row and they've only went for their. Last ten but
the thing that scares me About, THE marrinager i think
they're pitching his. Lights out Absolutely Love, George Kirby.

Speaker 4 (01:57:57):
Brian wu, you know is an.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
All Star luis castillo is, Rock Solid logan gilbert is.
Rock Solid everson hancock can get. It done they've got,
back end lights out stuff with. THEIR relievers I like seattle, a,
lot however and they started off great when they made
the trade to all, the trades but as, of late it's.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
Been a little bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
A stumble it's no clear path for, Them EITHER but
i wouldn't want to face them in the, first round
not with.

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
That pitching they're pitching more than their offense for me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
Scares.

Speaker 7 (01:58:30):
Me yeah and you KNOW what, I see Steve o
baby in a chat he sent in a, melt back
not even, a question just a statement of fact. For
him He Says, MATT sheppard i, am sorry but as
long As the tigers are in, FIRST place i. Am
happy what More do tiger? Fans, want yeah it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
GREAT question, i mean if you're twenty games clear of
five HUNDRED and i know some, of it some of
it has been.

Speaker 4 (01:58:53):
Built up prior to the.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
Recent SKID but i do wonder why people get so
concerned when things have turned around a. Little bit maybe
it's the maybe it's the level. Of competition maybe you
just don't. Think anybody you're supposed to do what you Did,
Against chicago you're supposed to do what you Did, against
minnesota and we'll soon. Find out that to me is

(01:59:17):
you're damned if, you do damned if. You don't when
they lost the Series, to minnesota you thought they were
garbage because they lost to a. Garbage team when They,
beat minnesota three out. Of four it's not enough for
you because you think they were supposed to beat. That
team in, other words how do we have an? Opinion
then and by, The Way lance paris had thirty three
homers in, eighty four so that. Was it nobody hit
more than, thirty three nobody drove him more than ninety,

(01:59:37):
eight runs only one player hitting, three hundred and nobody won.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
Twenty games we got a couple more.

Speaker 7 (01:59:42):
Questions Here Randall Small South random small is one, of
us like. Stop supported, he says when they Called up clark,
and McGonagle will they be?

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
The favorites then they're not calling. Them, up, yeah sorry
we gotta be real.

Speaker 7 (01:59:59):
WITH jirandam i.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
LIKE them i like what. THEY'RE doing i thought maybe
they would Be A double a a little. Bit sooner
what's the first, of all you can't call them. Both
off you can call up, one pitcher one. Position guy
so it's changed a little Bit in september, call UPS
and i think you've got Guys AT. Triple a, you
know if they Call Up justin henry malloy somebody, like
that give them some punch off.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
THE bench i wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
BE surprised i don't think either one of those kids are,
coming UP but i wouldn't bring them, up either to
be honest.

Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
With.

Speaker 7 (02:00:24):
Him yep and just one, more here This is dante
one five to one with the four ninety Nine. Super
chet shout out to you for Always, supporting. Dante says
When the guardians got to five and a, HALF back
i was still not worried about THEM because i knew
that they. Would skid and no one FROM The ale
central will.

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
Make it nobody nobody will? Make, what, YEAH well.

Speaker 7 (02:00:46):
Seri clarify that? Is it no one will Make The
world series FROM The. Al central there's only one team
IN The ale central to make.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
The playoffs there's only. One team The wild card's going
to come From the west and From.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
The, east yeah so there's only, one Team.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
The TIGERS and i still think when when they begin,
the Postseason the tigers odds will be as good as
just about. Anybody else's i'm not saying they'll be, the
favorite they'll be just as about as good as. Anybody
else's we can talk more about it tomorrow On The Brailan.
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