THE DETROIT LIONS WANT MORE!! | The Braylon Edwards Show | Tuesday, September 16th, 2025

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I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
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I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
But can you show them the shoes before you get
into that, sure, because those are I mean, you talk
about colored coordination. This is pretty awesome right here. You know,
just there's not there's not many people who can do
what he does as often as he does.

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Just the s B dunks and you know it's not
for Super Bowl, although the Lions will hope that it is.
Before we talk about me the shoes. His shirt got
me looking like a bouncer in Miami in the eighties.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
You know what I'm saying. We know what that era was.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
On the beach, baby, that's him.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
But before we get into that, man, I'm gonna get
a Florida Ryan for a second. Ryan take over.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
Yeah, thank you, thank you, Braylan. It's got to give
a quick shout out to my parents. It's their twenty
fifth anniversary here today. I love you too, very very much.
I will forever be in debt with you for the
rest of my life. But I just want you to
let you know I appreciate you guys. Love you have
an amazing day.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Now as apparently remember that when you make your first billion,
what are you doing for their anniversary?

Speaker 7 (02:24):
I am doing the college football show here tonight. So
but my mom's coaching volleyball, so she's got practice and stuff.
My dad's work and they're not doing stuff till the weekend.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
But to have whether it's a card, whether it's a
token of appreciations a.

Speaker 7 (02:37):
Little so last year I started a trend with them
where I sent flowers to my mom's school and she
was completely like, She called me, goes, did you send
me flowers?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Did you flowers? And I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:48):
Mom read, like read the card, and she liked it
because I guess they don't buy each other guests for
the anniversary.

Speaker 8 (02:55):
They they don't like doing getting each other.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
But she was really shocked by it, and Uh, yeah,
so I get my mom flowers. My dad, Uh he
doesn't want ever anything, so I kind of just do chores.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
So why would you buy your mom flowers? And her
wonder if it was you. Did she think it might
have been your father.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
Yes, because that's that's who she initially called. And no
one knew a thing at all. This was my sister
and I and my aunt she helped with it too,
and they didn't No one knew a thing until last year.
And then my dad beat me to it this year
and I asked. I was like, what's mom say your flowers?
And he goes, already I already have ordered sent.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
But see, I like that.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
You see what you did, and I'm glad you mentioned
something that you lit a fire speaking of the Bunsen
burner yesterday. You It happens in the father relationship sometimes
father does things and excuse me, the son does things.
And the father was like, all right, me let me
step my bleep up. So I'm glad you did that,
and you told me before the show man, I have
no problem.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
The second be a marriage is disrespectful. My mom and dad.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
Mom and stepfather have been married eighty nine, thirty six years.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
Married thirty six years. And then my dad and stepma
have been married thirty years. So to say that, I
see it. I believe it is an understatement. So that's
pretty can tell you blessings to your friends.

Speaker 9 (04:10):
I got fourteen years in the game too, over fifty
years for my grandparents.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, my wife broke four mirrors, so we've got thirty. Question.
The question, the question for all guys here. Yeah, do
you believe in flowers?

Speaker 5 (04:26):
I do? Okay, I actually love flowers.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
I speak the flower language, and I love giving them
to my girlfriend, like I love giving them to my mom.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Really likes them to my sister.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, okay, she likes them. I think that's awesome. I
love that you give it to your mom and you
give it to your sister. I do wonder how much
women truly appreciate flowers. They last a week? Maybe maybe
I don't know. I haven't done that in a while.
In fairness, I need to learn more from you in

(04:58):
that regard. I've learned a lot of football. When need
to learn this, I should probably do that a little
bit more frequently. I think that's better when it's unexpected,
when it's not an event, it's not a birthday, it's
not an anniversary or something like that, when it's just
out of nowhere, like you have done, and you've done
that with the ladies. Don't worry, Brittain. You don't get jealous.
But the ladies over next door who bring us, you know,

(05:19):
water on a regular basis.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Yeah, I think that's really cool from all of us.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Well yeah, but Braylan spearheaded it. Let's give credit where
credit is, so I give you a lot of credit.
I think that's awesome. Koolater. Are you a flower sending
guide to your wife for fourteen years?

Speaker 8 (05:36):
I wasn't. At first.

Speaker 9 (05:38):
I was like, hey, look, why don't we spend it
all like edible arrangements.

Speaker 8 (05:41):
Why don't we spend it on something we can't.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Eat rather something you can have to away.

Speaker 9 (05:45):
But my wife got me right and she was like,
you know, it's something that resonates with her. And so
now with something that I do from time to time,
that's cool. Just to be able to show, hey, I'm
thinking about you in this way as well.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
That doesn't surprise me because he's a he's a fun
guy and he's a smiling guy.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
My mom, like my mom's at the age now where
when she doesn't like flowers. My mom, she's in the garden,
so she's a green thumb. She would prefer plants not
flowers because of what you mentioned, like they die like
the beauty last for you know, four or five, six days,
and then you're trying to get rhythm in the tenth day,
trying to figure in it.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
And that's annoying in itself too. So she doesn't like them.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
Every once in a while I gotta tell her, like,
don't care what you like. We're gonna figure this thing
out in charge.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I don't care what you like.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
I think as you get older, like, well, just for her.
Maybe you know she doesn't like flowers because they die.
Don't waste your money on something exactly.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Plants. They last. You can repurpose them, you can use them.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
You can get the buds out of these and take
them into next season, if you will get that.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
I'm dialed into this plant life. This is a good tell.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
This is a good conversation, really good. I am not
too dissimilar from that. I mean when I ask for gifts,
and I don't like getting gifts. I much rather give them.
But I'll say, yeah, what do you want for Christmas?
What do you want for Father's Give me some socks?
Come on, dad, Hey, I'm gonna wear them. It's something
I'm gonna use. Don't give me something I'm not gonna use.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
You know you don't give me a glow from d C.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
W Right, I'm not gonna use that exactly right, that's
the last second, right right. I don't even know if
you have a girlfriend, but when.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
You do, are you gonna be spot up? You blowing
the spot up?

Speaker 8 (07:25):
Now?

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Now here's what we get. Now. Now all these girls,
real girls, realize that he's single and they can they
can jump on board in the chat.

Speaker 8 (07:31):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, no problem. What you don't need my help, that's
for sure. What what do you uh? Will you be
a flower giving guy? Or is it just at the
beginning of relationships because that's what usually it is for guys,
because we all want to know what the next step is.
So that's obvious.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Right.

Speaker 8 (07:46):
You got a bait and thinker type of guy, are you?

Speaker 7 (07:48):
Right?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Am?

Speaker 8 (07:49):
I what bait and thinker? No?

Speaker 5 (07:52):
I have the hair man. You know what I'm saying,
he's got the hairl I'm just saying he's got he's
got to look I do I need to him up
a little bit?

Speaker 8 (08:02):
He can tell you out there in Miami man as
a bouncer, bright, I.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Do need a new hairt I need to get faded up.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
But but yeah, no, I would. I like the I
think the surprises are better. I think if it's unexpected,
they appreciate a little bit more. I was also told
that too by uh, a girl I used to talk
to at CMU. So she told me that she kind
of laid down the groundwork for me a little bit.
But uh, yeah, I think the surprises are a little
bit more when it's unexpected.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
I think they appreciate a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
What do you think your mother gets your father for
the anniversary?

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (08:30):
Uh, she said nothing when I talked to her this morning,
because she was mad that she got something from him.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
She has to go mad, car He's got mad. Braylan
got it right away. Now she's got to do it. Now,
I gotta go do something. Though.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Hey, honey, you know what. I'm not gonna talk to
you on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
He's just sit in front of the TV, watch all
the games, watch the Rids, and watch the line. I
will leave you alone. I'll even let it last until
Monday Night football.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
I'll leave you alone from.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Sunday morning till Monday night football. Guarantee that will be
the president of any husband.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
I did ask them where they were going to eat
because I was going to get them a bottle of wine.
I was gonna, like, whatever restaurant they were going to
go to, I was carrying a bottle of wine and
give it to them. Good idea, whatever restaurant they went to.
So I was trying to figure that out. I mentioned
black Rock because they get twenty percent off.

Speaker 8 (09:19):
I mentioned it. But they're going to They're going to.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
A different no free no free advertising.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
They're going to a different place. They're going to a
different place to celebrate their negative one anniversary back in
nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
So you still can bring the bottle of wine to
their house.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
You can also nice a little ridd We'll.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Take the gift certificate the black Rock go ahead. I mean,
we'll do that too, man, Why not? That's it. That's
a that's a fun conversation because I always wonder when
if I'm doing things, even at this advanced stage of
my married life the right way. How about cards?

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah, so I will make this claim, and I need
my mom to don't come in the check my mom
practice don't.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Come in door. People know what.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
But I pride myself on the car selection. Like I
was just having this conversation. I selected a car the
other day. I will not get a card for you
because it sounds good. I am going to get your
card that I believe is you, that I believe works
for you, and I think will give you the best
joy that particular birthday.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
I'm on to you legitimate. I'll be in the card
out thirty minutes thirty minutes, depending on what day.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
It is, Like if it's a Mother's Day, vibe, I
gotta buy eight cards, like I'm dialed.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
In, Like if I'm going for one person, fifteen.

Speaker 9 (10:36):
Cards, get me, I one, get you, bro, I get yeah,
my own bend.

Speaker 8 (10:40):
And I'm like, wait, wait if that word better? Oh
wait what about that one? But that color? Well then
all of a sudden, it's what envelope does it go?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
We look at color?

Speaker 8 (10:49):
So color it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
I want the car itself, the message in the card itself,
to make you forget about whatever I'm going to give you,
Like whatever the gift is that you're going to get
from me, I want you to forget about it, to
get like that, like if I'm getting you twenty five dollars,
you know a little whatever you call them the credit.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Cards or car wash gift certificate.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Exactly, whatever it is.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
I don't want you reading through this card to get
to this or trying to get to the bag and say.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Oh man, you got me x Y and Z. I
want you to these words are words are powerful.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Amen, I agree, But thirty minutes, that's that's extensive. I'm
probably in and out of there between four and five.

Speaker 8 (11:29):
Because Bray's like, he's like, he don't want to.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Birthday is going to say, stepson, No, that's that's right,
you know, I don't know. It depends on the situation,
but I do say, my daughter for Father's Day, everybody
got me a really nice card. Okay, so I greatly
appreciate my daughter made the card.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
I still make cars, I still make cards for my parents.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
And good for you. To me, that meant as much
as any not that I'm ranking or is telling the
others that Rachel.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Rachel in the first place going out there on the ranking.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Well, the three boys would tell you she was in
first place as soon as she was born. But that
that meant a lot to me, you know what I mean.
I remember a gift I got for Christmas, my middle son.
He wasn't working, he was young, he was just a
little kid learning to play guitar, and he wrote a
song for me, and he said, here's here's your Christmas present,

(12:27):
come down the basement. He played the song for me. Uh,
It's one of the best Christmas gifts I've ever received.
So I like those personal things, similar to what you
take the time to put it into and selecting the card.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
If the Lions keep playing teams that have their major
players injured, you talk about Christmas gifts and birthday games,
keep lining them up with these injuries coming.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Up, Yeah, that would be I don't like to see
any team. I don't. I don't want to see any
player good, especially good players injured. I know you don't.
I know you don't because you've been there on that
you don't. There's no reason for that. However, However, when
they play the Bengals this year, the expectation is to
open up a cannibal pass on the Bengal. We'll get

(13:13):
into the Lions and Ravens a little bit later on.
We'll see what happens with that and how you feel
about that when we come back. I do want to
talk about one specific player and the struggles that he's
had early on. It's just two games. I'm not worried
about it, but I'll be free to admit my reputation
is on the line. It is, it's on the line

(13:33):
with this specific player. I'll explain why I am slightly
concerned and who that player.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Is, Gino Smith.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
It's not quite Geno Smith, although you could understand why
after a three pick game last night. Also, and I
tweeted this out, I said this before the season began.
Your witness, Tampa's legit. Tampa is legit.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
And they still have major players that aren't playing right now.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
I know, but they are. They are a tough, tough team.
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It really is. My reputation. Some people will make some
snide comments here, and that's okay. My reputation is on
the line. There are a couple of guys, I.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Don't know how extensive, how extensive and how profound your
resume is. So when he says his resume is on
the line, don't you look at it as the brother
double show is shut. Like there's a Lineau's and a
track record of a hell of a resume when you
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Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeah, I appreciate that, but a lot of people would
say you just got fired from a job a couple
of years ago and bring that up. But it does happen.
I besides the obvious, and I think people know this,
I love Brian Branch. I think he's a phenomenal player.
Want him on my team. Dion Adrian Branch Cliff Branch
really good wide receiver for the Raiders. But besides the obvious,

(22:14):
there's two guys I thought we're gonna have really big
years this year. Jack Campbell, who had a great year
last year, over one hundred and thirty tackles. I think
he's totally legit.

Speaker 8 (22:24):
Let him in tackles on this past week.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
He did and did against Green Bay and Terry on Arnold.
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from Mike Payton of eightes E sports. No cornerback in

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the National Football League has allowed more yards in coverage
than Terry On Arnold one hundred and seventy five yards
through two weeks. That's a big stat That is a
big knock the Packers a big forty two yard gain
against them. I think it was Jayden Reid had it

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against the Bears. It was a thirty seven yard pass
roma Dunze. What am I missing here? Okay, last year
targeted ninety eight times Braylan. That's nearly twenty more times
than a Meek Robertson who was targeted eighty one times.
So tell me what am I missing with Terry On

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Arnold and why I might be wrong.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
I feel like the first game there was not a
lot of pass rush, so that's gonna happen. You know,
in terms, you cannot guard You cannot guard wide receivers
in the NFL for a very long time, especially when
there's no pass rush in a quarterback like Jordan loves
has all day sit back there and pick you apart
last week, not necessarily so much that Roman Donza was
on the first drive. I want to say, was it

(23:52):
descripted scripted seven? And we know ben Jahson does well
in that department, but Terry and Arnold. It's one of
those things, you know, because the rush was good if
the Lions got after Kayler Williams. So that excuse that
you had in week one, it wasn't there. The excuse
that you could use last year wasn't necessarily there. This
is supposed to be here where he takes a step,
We're expecting to see more out of the kid from Alabama.

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You know, we know what DB's were under Nick Saban.
He was coach by Nick Saban, not Kaylin de Boor.
It still lacks, It still lacks a little bit.

Speaker 8 (24:24):
You know.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
I was one of those guys last year when he
reached up to draft Tryon Arnold. I said, I didn't
know anything about Tarryon Arnold. And we assume because of
Nick Saban Alabama.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
It tends to.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Work for everybody else, Jamia Gibbs, James and Williams, Bryan
Branch most notably. But it felt like what you didn't like,
you don't like drafting because you need you like drafting
the best player. And last year the Tarryan Arnold followed
by the Ennis Rakestraw situation, it seemed as though, well,
we know we need a dB, we gotta get a dB.

(24:57):
Let's get a dB. And you actually moved up to
twenty two to get Tarry Arnold. So I coming into
the season was like the twenty twenty four draft class.
We still got to see what it is and this
is one of those years to see what it is.
And so far, obviously Ennis is injured. Terrans the guy
we were looking to see take a jump, and so
far it hasn't been that.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, the reception percentage a year ago when he was
targeted was sixty one point two percent. This year it
is sixty six point seven percent, so that has gone up.
That's a troubling statistic.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
And staying away from which is a good The good
thing is DJ Reed has come to play, at least
it seems seems like they're trying to stay away from.
That's how the problem is.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Here.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
We are year two and they're now targeting a guy
that we didn't necessarily know if it was the best
pick or the best way to have the last season's draft.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, remember he did have he did have a pick.
It was taken away.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Taking away.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah, so I not hear Joseph. I think it's I
think it was Brian branch right or.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Either way.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Either way, you guys, that doesn't make up for the
completion percentage. That doesn't make up for the number of
times targeted, not just a year ago, but already this year.
That is a that's a little alarming statistic that no
other It's not just the Lions cornerbacks, it's no other
cornerback in the National Football League has given up as

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many yards.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
As he has. Also too, who is the offensive coordinator here?

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Last year?

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Now, we just sent him off on his merry way
with fifty two points behind him as he walked out
of the door. But coming into this game, this is
something that he would he's a e I know where
we're going. Yeah, I know who we're going. Is I
saw this all last year and I think he's the
wheeling That's what that tells me.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Well, that's problematic too, it is. Okay, So I had
a debate with a friend earlier today and they said,
I don't believe in taking corners in the first round,
which I think is moronic, quite honestly, absolutely stupid. He said, seriously,
name me first round. So I named off. I just
rattled off a bunch, and I don't need to go

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to Dion Sanders and Patrick Peterson. You can look at
it in today's NFL. You can take a look at guys.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
Quay On Menze is a lockdown corner like the other
side of the balls is.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
You got to figure it out for Eagles.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
But queeny On Mitchell was showing you what the top
dB does the first two years in Seattle and the
last two years what they drafted. Extremely well. Those dbs
are playing well. That seatut of defense McDonald has going
in Spoon. I can't think of the other guy. But
you have some deep Sauce Garspoon, Derek Stink Derecks same draft.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
By the way. Yeah, so we can go on and
on Jayalen Johnson, We can do a lot of them,
all rams. Yeah, all all of those are legitimate. Maybe
it's just that the Lions don't do it that well.
Because he literally asked me, he said, give me the
last corner who is worthy of a high draft pick?
Who where the war a Lions uniform? My response immediately

(27:59):
Wasarius Slay. He was a second round pick. And I
think people are trying to look right or wrong. They're
trying to look at Terry on Arnold and say, look,
it took Darius Slay a little bit of time. Here's
the difference. When Darius Slay played in college, Darius Slay
was a man corner. When he came to the Lions

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and Jim Schwartz, they made him a zone corner. They
didn't get it right with Darius Slay until he became
a man cornering and then he's you could consider him
one of the better cornerbacks of his era.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
Is a six year snapchat.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
So explain to for anybody who might be thinking about
this right now, the difference between what you would consider
a man corner and a zone corner.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Man corner. You can travel.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
I mean you saw that last night with Derek Stane
that he traveled with Mike Evans letting in the game
before he traveled with I'm Blanking Oad of Texas. He
traveled with Pook and the Cop when they played the Rams.
Like that's a man corny, He's gonna go everywhere this
guy goes and it's on him like it is on
him to stop that wide receiver. So let's just say
insert Marlon Humphreys who uh test line the boys to

(29:15):
see if Marlon Humphrey is going against Amart Brown this week.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Everywhere amar Rai is going.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
He's going, he shows choice.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
He's gonna shadow him, He's gonna go everywhere. But it's
up to Marlon Humphrey to stop him. As like, that's
what the deal is. The deal is, Hey, we're cool
playing man. If you're cool, plan man, and this is
what we're gonna do, so you know what you're up to.
That's what a man is. A man, there's a lot
of trust. You're trusting that a guy can get in
and out of breaks as fast as a wide receivers.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
You're trusting that.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
A guy is has the athleticism to go against guys
because there are some unfair advantages in the NFL, you know,
and nobody's complaining about that. So zone zone means you
have help. Zone is a guy has help, you can
slate it to whoever needs it. And in this case
it seems like Terry, we need it. So you can
Kirby Joseph over to that side. You can slide Derek

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Barnes over to the side on the underneath. You can
do a lot of things to help. That's what zone
typically is. You help a guy or you help a
team that is less than athletically or skill wise at
that position.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
You would never take I'm putting words in your mouth,
so pull them back out. You'd never take a zone
corner in a first round.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Right, I would never take a zone corner.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
First. You have to be able to play man if
you're gonna be a first round.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Pick, because if I have to help you, then you're
not worth a first round pick. Like I'm drafting the
guy that's you know, for lack of a better word,
I think this word gets overused.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
But him him. Yeah, now you're drafting a guy that's him.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
I know that that side of the field is cool,
Like that side is cool over there. I got the middle,
and I got the side over here. That's what you draft.
You're not drafting a guy that. Yeah, we're gonna draft
you first round because we like what you do. But
also we're gonna help you. We're gonna give you assistance.
We're gonna put his safety over top, we're gonna put
people underneath. That's not a number one pick. Well, that's
not a first round pick, if you will.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Somebody in the chat wrote this, it's good, Arthur says.
I might make the argument almost all of the top
corners in the league our first round picks. It's rare
for them not to be And as facts, yeah, yeah,
as facts. So not that we're judging Terry on Arnold
too quickly, or that we're judging him at all right now,

(31:24):
we're just mentioning the first two games as a struggle.
The beginning of last year was a struggle. He got
better as the year ended. People were hoping that would
parley into another good season. Another example I think will yeah,
but it was another good example of why things don't
always carry over from season to season for athletes. It

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is one of the more difficult positions to transition from
college to pro, wouldn't you say? And why I think
it's I think it's quarterback, then cornerback. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (32:01):
I don't know, it's it's a very difficult position to
be able to have to operate full speed essentially with
the wide receiver and going backwards and figure things out,
Like I think that that does take some skill and
then also too nowadays it's all about the past. There's
much more passing going on, so you're getting thrown into
the fire. You got a little bit more time back

(32:21):
in the day to kind of get your feet wet,
get acclimated. But now everything's a past. Every down is
a pass.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
The team's got six to seven wide receivers.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
So but as it relates to Terran and why he's struggling,
I don't know. I don't want to say anything too fast.
And we were very very fast last week and talking
about the team, so I won't do this with the
same player. But he's got to make some strides. I
need to see something, you know. And this is a
game where there's a good wide receiver on that team,
and Zay Flowers shot Babman is not a terrible wide receiver.

(32:52):
We need to see something out of it. Because this
is also an office is struggled a little bit.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
So yeah, look again, somebody in the chat.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Not to cut you off.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
It's interesting because last year it got better with tearing
on into the last game, it got better.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Who was still here.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Carlton Davis got hurt. Actually it was Aaron Glenn was
still here and he was a corner, a good corner, and.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
He's remember when they had to fire Aubrey Pleasant, he
had to step up, he had to help, He had
to go.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Into that room.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
That's what the defensive coordinator's job is that whatever he's
strong at, if they're struggling at, that's when you sit
in the meeting room and you watch the film. How
are they coaching, Carlton Davis, how are you coaching to
meet Robinson? What's going on with this technique? Why is
tearing on a struggling in the game. Let me sit
in the meetings with him, let me watch film as
he watches film. Let me go on the practice field
and help him, and then it gets a little bit better.

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And then you have somebody on you and you're dialing
into the technique and then you're doing things one, two three.
Aaron Glenn's not here, and I don't know if the
Shaye Townsend is doing that for him. That's the coach,
by the way, the defensive back coach. I don't know
if he's doing that about Kelvin Shepard and helphen Shep
was a linebacker.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
No, I understand that, but he's still the DC. Aaron
Glenn was the DC. You're saying but because of.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
His background, I'm saying, like, if this was a linebacker issue,
if there was something going on with Derek Barnes, with
Jake Jack Campbell, shep can go in those meeting rooms,
he can sit down, he can help diagnose.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
He knows the dB position.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
But it's different when you got an All Pro, when
you got a former pro bowler, when you got a
guy that played fourteen years that knows that position and
is your DC.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
Maybe that early on has something to do with Aaron
Glenn not being to be affirming.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
It's a very interesting point.

Speaker 9 (34:33):
I want to just add to that as well, because
Jack Campbell in reverse action said, you know what, with
Calvin Shepard here and we're on the same page, you
already know what he's thinking. Mind you, Aaron Glenn was
there last year. It's still really really good defensive coordinator.
But you're right, Braylan, to exac everything you're saying. Jack
Campbell had already confirmed that as well, man, And that's
the point.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
And that's the thing too, that when you're a defensive
coordinator you have more time and when you're defensive coordinator,
or excuse me, when you're a coordinator, you have more
time than made the head coach, like Aaron Glenn like
he would be hard pressed to go do that with
Sauce Gardener right now now he's the head man. He's
just not over the defense to be a little tough
for him to get Sauce Gardener together when you're a
defensive coordinator. A little bit more time, a little bit

(35:13):
more time, and he's able to dial into those things,
and he dialed into you know, the DBS. He was
able to go in those rooms. We saw a couple
of times where Aaron Glenn was having conversations on the
sideline with Carlton Davis last year where he would have
conversations with Kirby Joseph over the last three years where
he would have to talk to Kirby on the sideline
and then Brian Branch as well, and obviously tearing on
a probably behind closed doors. That type of that type

(35:36):
of conversation, that type of reaffirmation, that's very invaluable. I
don't think you realize think about it until now where
you're leading the league and yards giving up as a DV.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, I think that's a that's an astute point. I
do wonder a little bit why we didn't think about
that with the wide receivers being coached by a former
NFLA who's now going Yeah, uh, there's been no dip
there for Aman Ross Saint Brown or Jamison Williams or true.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
But a'mar Rossaint Brown has already taken himself.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
He's established.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
He's established himself.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
As one of the top five receivers in the league,
and he works that way, and he operates that way
when he's watching film.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
He's helped bring Jamo along who Jamo had his first.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
So you think you think the player has helped the
other player, not the coach as much. Helping that player
from Jamison Williams is getting help from aman Ross Saint
Brown more so than he would be from his wide
receivers coach.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
Well, not necessarily the wide receivers coach, but I'm saying
they've already been established. They're already a really good wide
receiver corps, like the dB corps last year, still was struggling.
They're trying to figure out who they are. And in
the midst of that, the guy that may be helping
behind the scenes leaves the wide receiver court here in
Detroit I'm Rosson Brown's already established himself.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
He's already good.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
So whatever, So wherever the coach may lack, Let's say,
wherever Scottie Montgomery may lack.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
You got Alamara ross Saint Brown. Yeah, and he's shown
you that you that he can do.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
He's five years in. He's one of the best. But
not just on the field, it's between the lines. It's
Wahington film. He's a coach out there in the field.
He's one of the best, and he expects greatness, so
he can fill in wherever Scotty Montgomery may come up short.
So I don't know if this, say Townsend can fill
in wherever.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
I mean, I don't know if.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Can DJ should DJ Reid be there?

Speaker 5 (37:22):
DJ reads the number two that's been trying to figure
it out.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
I know he has experience and yes he can help,
but he also is trying to figure out. I'm trying
to earn my cash, trying to make sure that this
was a good move. I'm trying to make sure people
are confident in my play. I can't worry about you
over there.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Yeah, it's interesting because I mean people in the chat
one chastising me a little bit. Why would you bring
this up, he's only had it's only been two games. Well,
first of all, first and foremost, it is just because
a team wins the way Detroit did and it was
really impressive, doesn't mean you can't look at some of

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the things that they still need to improve upon considering
the team they're about to play.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Winning cures everything, and the problem is some of the
teams that aren't advanced enough, that hadn't had the consistent
run of conference championships and maybe Super Bowl sometimes when
they win and you gloss over things for fifteen games.
When you gloss over, by the time those things rear
their head, it's too late. And that's what SHEPD is saying. Like,
we knew a little bit about and Tarry Arnold last year.

(38:22):
We had questions in coming in. That's why we had
this whole thing last week when we're talking about the
Green Bay Packers. You know, we still believed in what
the Lions could be, but what we saw on the field,
you know, it was a bunch of questions and ane
of those questions didn't get answered. Same thing with Terry
and Arnold coming into this season. We broke it down
when we broke his footage down and talked about how
he was better, where he looked like he was going
to be better, what we needed to see from him,

(38:43):
And two, you're one of year two.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Well, we're not seeing it in the two games. And
not only is he not.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
Operating that way, he's leading the league in yards giving
up by dB.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
It's just a conversation, but I think it's a fair
one considering all that.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Yeah, amen to that. I mean, are we supposed to
ignore that after two games he's been he's given up
more yards than any cornerback in the National Football League.
And how long does a player this is a this
is a good discussion point. How long does a player
have to show you that he is either able or

(39:18):
enable unable to do his job for you to recognize
it's time to move on. So, for example, people in Minnesota,
and my friend said this yesterday on the air. He said,
you know, JJ McCarthy, maybe the ankle is really not
that hurt you if you recall the Monday night game seriously,
or I'm sorry, the Sunday night game.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Misking people don't like me.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Well, that's I mean, that's sorted. The second to last
play was a scramble by JJ McCarthy sure didn't look
like he was. His ankle was hurt. But Braylan brings
this up yet yesterday about the Sunday night game. You
don't think there's people in Minnesota starting to question that
young man and it's only been two games. That's not fair.
You don't think people in New York and that's questioning

(40:04):
two games. Yeah, you don't think people in New York
are questioning Aaron Glenn right now, people in Chicago questioning
Ben Johnson. Absolutely, they're they're questioning Caleb Williams. It's not
that I think you're gonna bench this guy. He needs
to be replaced. This was a bust. I'm not saying
any of that. I'm bringing up factual information about a

(40:25):
player who's going to be needed when they play Baltimore
this weekend, even Cincinnati. I don't care. If it's Jake
Browning throwing the ball, someone's gonna have to cover Jamar Chase,
someone's gonna have to cover t Higgins. They've got some
good players on that team. You gotta be careful, that's all. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
He definitely gotta be careful.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
I mean, and we will see that once again as
his conversation, and it's worthy conversation, but we shall see.
I want to see him just like just just step
into it, Like that's what you're waiting for, tearing out
to just step into it. Just step into it and
have a game. And yeah, he had an interception that
was taken away, but he still would have given up
those plays outside of that.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
So the yards are still the yards.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Just looking for him to have that game where you're
fine because I think everybody's on the line with Tarrying Arnold.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I say, even the people that don't know what you
mean on the line.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Everybody's on the line. Was that a good draft pick
or not?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (41:13):
That's where everyone is, regardless if they won't admit it
or not. Everyone is like, could this be at pick
twenty two and twenty four? Is this a Brad Holmes miss?
Everybody's there. Whether you believe he's going to ascend to
be a good pick, you're still like he hasn't done
it yet, and whether you don't think he's going to
everybody is at the same line with Tarrying Arnold, and

(41:33):
I think it's fair. Is it going to be another
Brad Holmes hit or is it going to be the
first Brad Holmes miss in the first round.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah, and maybe one of two misses in that draft
Cluck class at one hundred because Ennis Rakestra, Hello, Hello.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
And it goes back to which Shep said yesterday. I
don't necessarily like it. The keyword was necessarily when you
draft for me and best available.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
To if that's indeed what they did. Now he would
tell you that is not the case because that's not
what they do. But and look, there's a lot of
Lions fans wanted it anyway. You needed a dbah, you
needed a dB, so you're gonna go get it. I
trust Brad Holmes. I've said this time and time again.
And I think tarry Onnold's gonna be good. I do,

(42:21):
But the first two games he has not been as
good or he hasn't made the progress from last year
year one to year two as I as I thought.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
He can ask another question too, like realistically, would we
be asking and talking like this if it wasn't Alabama
and he was coached by Nick Sabe. I really think
that as the caveat too is like come.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
On, you went, you went to Alabama, Like figure it
out by now. I could be wrong.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
But if Tarryan Arnold was this dB that we drafted
in the first round out of Wisconsin, I don't think
we would be sitting there necessarily, you know, like, all right,
well he'll figure it out.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
We will give him more rope. But it's because of
who coasted him.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Yeah, I think because it was a I think it
has more to do the fact that he's a first
round pick more than it does from school Alabama.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
Okay, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Who was the d tackle? I just lost his name,
McKay when from from Alabama that Detroit took in the
second round. Hand hand how long it was the second
round pick. I believe he's from Alabama. He didn't last long.
No different regime.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Okay, so we.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
All know not everybody from Alabama is great.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Mac Jones sure hasn't been great. Uh, And he was
a first round pick. I believe, sure.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
But I think there's a different there's a different there's
a different expectation put on quarterbacks from Alabama versus DB's
from Alabama. DB's from Alabama typically have been they've been
heavyweight hitters in the NFL. Quarterbacks, well, when your when
your offensive skills set is Julio Jones and mark Ingram

(43:56):
in your backfield, you know with May's and yeah is
Eddie Lacy and TJ.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Yelden, all these.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Guys, Trent Richards, all these guys on the bench. So like,
when you're doing that, you can be a Blake Simms,
you can be a Matt Jones, you can be a
two a tongue of Ioloa insert quarterback here. Like the
only elite quarterback from Alabama in my mind is don't worry.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Richard Todd Jalen Hurts because he.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Couldn't get it done in college. That's why I says
you up with that one.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah, uh, I think it's I think you're right about that.
The more section to the rule. D Milner, I remember,
was a first round pick out of Alabama.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
He didn't hit, and I was with the Jets when
he got drifted.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
And he didn't hit. You're right, yeah, So that's one
of those guys. Was he a corner? Was his safety?

Speaker 6 (44:47):
He was a corner, and because he couldn't cover an
NFL he tried to make him a safety.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
And I think now he is probably in Tuscaloosa.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, yeah, I think he only played a few years.
So it's a good conversation to have. I think it's
something worth noting and something worth following for a little bit. Look,
like I said before, my reputation to a certain extent
is on the line. Because I thought he was gonna
have a really good year doesn't mean that he can't.
He's got a long way to go. He's got fifteen
more games.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
For crying out loud, there was a dB that was
available up into the second round that the Arizona car
was that digress.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yeah, well, look, Will Johnson is super talented, but I
would just say this, he was injured. If Detroit takes him,
the comment is, why are you taking injured players? Stop
taking I don't know if I heard it on this show,
but I remember somebody saying, can we stop taking injured players?

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Because they drafted a bunch and those didn't work out?

Speaker 4 (45:41):
That's right, right, Yeah, they bring injured players in him
Marcus Davenport, Sorry, don't convulse. And they've drafted injured players
Jameson Williams, so why right? Some guys have worked out
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Speaker 5 (45:56):
Tendon Hooker was injured too.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
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Speaker 5 (46:05):
That's when you get in trouble. When you're drafting a guy.

Speaker 6 (46:07):
That it's still a good round, you still can get
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When you're drafting a guy like Will Johnson who win
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Speaker 4 (54:48):
Last night it was a really good foot I don't
think the second game, I'm not gonna lie stand up
for just the first half. First game I thought was
really entertaining. I think it's another example of I don't
need a lot of points to be entertained. It twenty
to nineteen. Baker Mayfield, as I tweeted out, is an
absolute dog. I mean in a good way, all right,

(55:10):
if I can say and get away with that, he
was so good, so tough that fourth down run for
a first down on that final drive in which he
took him eighty yards and eleven plays with spectacular They
score with six seconds left, missed the two point conversion,
but win the game. Really good win in Houston, really
good win because Houston's defense is totally legit. But the

(55:33):
constant conversation, So there's a couple of conversations about the
games last night. I want to get to the first one.
The first conversation is about the damn tush push. I
swear I want I want something to happen to this.
As much as I wanted Detroit to beat Ben Johnson,
now I've moved on. I wanted Detroit to be Ben
Johnson to the Bears so bad, just so I could

(55:56):
shove it down national people's throats. They're gonna miss their
coordinators are missing, Frank rag Now and Kevin Zeidler. So
mission accomplished fifty to twenty one. Now this tush push,
when's it gonna end? They've already talked about it. The
Lions didn't say bannit. There's a lot of people who
are saying bannit, and it's because Philadelphia used it to

(56:17):
their advantage on not one, not two, but three different
occasions against Kansas City the other day in the game
of the week. What's your take on the tush push.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
I'm sorried of talking about it. At the end of
the day, one of two things are gonna happen. Either
eventually they're gonna find a way to stop it, it
won't be effective and the philadel Eagles are going away
from it, or if somebody's gonna get hurt and it
will take an injury to be the reason why they
don't run it anymore. I'm not whisking for anyone to
be injured. But I've listened to the offensive lineman for
the Philadelphia Eagles for the last four years talk about

(56:48):
how taxing the play is on the body. Whether it
was Jason Kelsey, whether it's Lane Johnson, whether I can't
think of how to pronounce left tackle's name, all of
these linemen for the Philadelphia Eagles have talked about what
it does to the body, how much pressure, and how
it does not feel good. They would even prefer not
to do the play. This came from the Philadelphia Eagles
offensive lineman starting offensive lineman. So I'm thinking I get

(57:10):
tired of hearing about it is what it is. If
you don't if you don't like it, stop it, and
if you can't stop it, score more points.

Speaker 12 (57:16):
You know.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
That's where I'm at with it.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
I think it's going to be an injury unfortunately, to
when the Philadelphia Eagles have to rethink is it worth it?
And I think an injury can get the NFL to
step in and say, yeah, we're gonna ban it.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Only nine teams have run the play ten or more
times since twenty twenty two. There are some teams that
have never run it. New Orleans, Washington, Carolina, Miami have
never attempted one, which is a little surprising. If it's
so effective, why don't more teams run it.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
The difference is I don't think it's that effective into
the sense of trying to get other teams to do it. It
works for them because their quarterback squats more than most
linebackers are running backs. Because they're running back squats the
most in the league. Because the offensive line is the biggest, strongest,
and best in the league. It works for them like
they have all the perfect factors. In fact, their backup

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running back. His squads are bigger than Saint quad and
that's aj Dillon. So I think it works for them.
It's perfectly set up for them to work it. Like
we saw Jalen hurt. We've seen him through squad videos
since he was in Alabama.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
That was his thing.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
I saw more squatting than I did touchdown passes. I'm
being honest. This is what works for them, This is
what works for him. Why are we making so much
about it, like, once again, stop it or use it?
You see, it's not easy, Like it's not some easy
thing that they're doing. Because Josh Allen tried that in
the playoffs. Like he's six or five quarterback, he's a

(58:51):
big running quarterback, he's mobile.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Yeah, it worked for Josh Allen.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
News flash, it didn't work and then they got mad,
and then they tried to get it banned.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
You tried to use it and it didn't work for you.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Why does it take somebody getting hurt for you to
ban something that many people feel is an obvious what
they would consider a health risk for the players they employ.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Because no one's gotten injured yet. Right now and right now,
you just all you are. There's thirty one teams. There's
thirty one teams in the NFL. Just seemed like babies
complaining about it.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Like at this partectar everybody is not everybody, well the people.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
That are complaining. That's what it feels like because there
is no injury. Nothing massive has happened. The potential for
what is you're talking about, NFL? That's every play Like
this is the NFL saying this is a dangerous man,
knock it all.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Until something happens, they can't step in. They can just
know that. Yeah we hear them, man, Yeah we know.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
And yeah Jason Kelsey was up there talking about it
and we get it. But until you see somebody do something.
I won't say an injury at all because I don't
believe in speaking that to the universe.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
But until you see something where you're like that, that
was it, that's the play. Okay.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
Now we can take this. We can bottle this up
and represent it as we're not long going to allow
to play because of they don't have that yet, they
don't have the money.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
I love these quotes that Koolai put up there. Koolai
Kellen Moore, we've tried it at other places, and it's
not the same replication that it is in Philly. They're
the ones that are doing it, and all of us
have tried to replicate it in some way, and usually
at the end of the day, it's their play DeForest Buckner.
For the Colts, there's some secret ingredient that they get

(01:00:25):
got going over there compared to everybody else, And maybe
that's what it is, which the.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Secret ingredient is they get great push off the ball.
Just look, don't look at the quotes. Just look at
this picture.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
As this picture the offensive linement, all four of them
with Elaine, Yeah, four to five.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Look how low they are. These guys are basically crawling
on the ground to get the leverage and then push
their hands up. They get their butt up into Chris
Jones's face so that they propel them for it's basically
like forming a wall.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
It's kind of like in the trench back in the war,
like you form this trench, you can't, but that's what
it is. And now you have a quarterback who is
a better running than pastor, and there's no disrespect, it's
the truth, Like he's a better run. That's why j
Brown won out because he can't get the ball. We'll
get into that later. But you got a quarterback that
squats seven hundred pounds and there's a really good running
quarterback and just look, he's looking at where the spot is.

(01:01:15):
He's looking, Okay, where am I gonna go? And then
burrow away for four or.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Five yards because he's on squat seven hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Right, and we getting a push from behind. Aj Brown
pushing him, Sakwan Barkley pushing him a lot, a lot
different than I'm on right, Saint Brown and Jamior Gibbs pushing.

Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
Perfect storm much like Buccaneers perfect storm with their temperament.
Like that's one of the things from you talk about
Baker Mayfield. He's one of the only guys that I loved.
I loved him at Oklahoma. I love the story. I
love to walk on to Oklahoma. And yes, you know
why I started liking it because he planted that flag

(01:01:56):
in Columbus. Because he swagged out when you went to
shake the little boy's handing Kansas, and the boy didn't
want nothing to do with him.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
He said, okay sixty points later, So I love that
about him.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
You get to Cleveland, some things didn't necessarily work out
and oh, by the way, you can call him a
dog because he was a Doug until they got rid
of him. But then he goes to the Panthers and
it looks ugly and in the Rams and you hear
the story, but you come to Tampa. The reason why
it all works is because it's the temperament. Top Boles
is a chill coach. Tom Bowles don't have an ego.
Tombo's a great defensive mind, he's chill, doesn't say too much,

(01:02:29):
lets his player be be his players. They're best players.
Like Mike Evans was one of the nicest, coolest dudes
I've ever met, but on that field, he's different.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Like that's who their leaders are like.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
And just down the list of Devonte David who's been
there forever, who's now third in games played by a buccaneer,
which is outstanding. But they're just super chill guys. Nobody
has an ego and so it's allowed to go. And
now you got Baker leading that team who's reborn in
more ways than one. He's also reborn in his Christian faith,
so it just works for them. And then when you

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come into that, oh cool, I could just come and
be I don't have to be more. I just do
what I'm supposed to do and kicking them by. It's
a good vibe down there, and he finally got a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
I do wonder how much those folks down in Tampa
have to field calls, write stories, comment on stories about
losing their offensive coordinator, Leam Cohen, who went to Jacksonville
as the head coach. Right he was there, he was
Tampa's offensive coordinator.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Baker's getting he's getting coaches paid. Now that's two. That's
two offensive coordinators for Baker Mayfield to become here coaches.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
And now Liam Cole. Yeah, so when you've got two
guys like that, not so much was made of it
here in Detroit. You remember the numbers associated with Jared Goff,
which I thought was laughable. Jared Goff when he's not
with Ben Johnson or Sean mc and they gave him

(01:04:01):
his rookie year in LA and the first year in
Detroit where they didn't have any players, right, nobody worth
a damn. And you're gonna use that as the example.
Come on, I think you're really reaching. Here's the other
storyline from last night, and I'm not gonna take credit

(01:04:21):
for it. Braylen's the one who brought this up this
morning to me. The Raiders were playing the Chargers last
night and the Chargers, despite only scoring three points in
the second half, got the win. So they're two and zero,
Raiders are one and one. Gino Smith through three picks
looked awful. Defense for the Chargers looked pretty damn good.
I think they held him to like two hundred and
twenty eight total yards. But on more than one occasion,

(01:04:44):
the cameras caught a suited up Tom Brady, who is
the minority owner owner for the Las Vegas Raiders in
the offensive coaches booth. How does that square with you?

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
I think it's an unfair advantage.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
I mean, it's the Raiders and they seems like they
stink or they're not that good, so it's not going
to make a difference now.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
But if the Raiders were good.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Like when they want to know and you're thinking they
had a chance to get the Chargers, when you have
a guy in Tom Brady that is he's an analyst
for Fox, which means during the week he gets a
chance to go into whatever city they're going to go into,
dive into conversations with the quarterback, with the running back,
with the coaching staff.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
You get all this insight and information. It's I mean,
this is always the case with him, work with five.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
It's a little bit too much. It's a little bit
too in terms of when you take this to the Raiders.
Isn't this information that you can just easily pass on
and not saying Tom's that guy? But you don't even
have to be that guy to just genuinely pass on
some knowledge. You don't think Troy Aiightman when they're playing
Dallas and you know they got to talk to some
guys and he's in passing passing Jerry or in passing

(01:05:55):
passing Dak, like Dak, watch out. You know I was
talking to such and such and this is on the horizon,
like that's just a natural conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
This guy would be.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
It just rubs me the wrong way like that, he's
so into it but then still operating that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Do you think anybody else would get this type of
leeway if it weren't Tom Brady, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
It would be Peyton Manning, like it would be somebody
on that astraline. It would be Peyton, It would be Tom,
be Drew Brees. He wasn't good at the job. But
Drew Brees, Tom Peyton, they would get that type of access.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
I don't think everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
No, I think a lot of the analysts get as
you know, because you've done television too, They get the access.
I'm talking about the willingness and ability, a willingness on
the NFL side for you to be a minority owner
in your team's offensive box, but also having production meetings
with opposing teams issue prepare for a game and the

(01:06:51):
game of the week. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
I don't think anybody's getting that access outside of the
three I just name. I don't think Aaron Rodgers, if
he was doing that job, we'll get that type of access.
Tom is getting that access. He's able to double do both.
I don't know what he's doing. They say that, you know,
there's certain things that you can't talk about. Certain things
are off topic. Certain who's gonna keep that off topic?
Who's gonna be with time? Tom asked the questions a time. Tommy,

(01:07:15):
you know I can't tell you that now. Oh Bs,
it's just conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
It'll come up.

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
Man, He's not gonna be out here like well, when
I sat down with the Baltimore Ravens, John Harbaugh told
me blah blah blah, and I that's not what he's.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Going to say.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
But how does that benefit the Raiders if he's in
a production meeting, right, and we've both been in him.
You folks, you're probably about twenty to thirty minutes. You
get a coach, you get a couple of players, you're
at players you ask for. Tom Brady's getting ready with
Kevin Burkhart, and I think they do a really good job.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
And they had the.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Game of the week, and the game of the week
was Kansas City and Philadelphia. And he's sitting down with
Nick Sirianni. He's sitting down with Andy Reid and they
get about twenty minutes. How does him gaining any information
for the matchup that they're about to see help him
get ready or prepare his team who plays in the
same division, for example as Kansas City.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
Yeah, because he's having conversations with pe. Hey, Pete, this
is what I you know, this is what I gathered
from Andy Reid, This is what I gathered from Jim Harriball.
This is why I gathered from Pete Carroll. I gathered
these things. This is what he's excited about. This is
what this player was telling me he's leaning towards this
set a run thing is you know we're gonna run
the ball against him. I don't know, just kind of conversation.
Then you take these things at Pee Carrow, you take

(01:08:32):
these things to the offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator. I
don't know if this can help you, but here's some information.
You drop a little text. I can definitely see this happening.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Other people can't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Outside of that, it's hard to do the TV job.
Quite honestly, it's really hard to do the TV job
if you can't have a lot of that access, if
you're the owner or I mean if you're the analyst.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
Sounds like a person problem. Like they allowed the situation
to be. They knew it was gonna be a situation.
That's why they came up with this can be said,
This can't be said, you can't talk to this. People
to try to cover their their bases on it. And
they made those restrictions very public so that we knew
that he did have restrictions. But they only did that
just because there's no restrictions, there's no conversation that isn't

(01:09:15):
being had.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
I think, yeah, that's a that's an interesting take. All right,
let's shift gears to baseball a little bit. The Tigers
begin their last home series or home stand. They got
three games against Cleveland and then they'll have three games
against Atlanta before closing out on a six game Roady.
The finalizes in Boston against against the Red Sox of

(01:09:38):
Fenway Park. So they get Casey miz tonight and he's
been pretty good. He's won three of his last four decisions,
so that's a solid step. The Tigers are one of
those teams I think in the American League right now,
that you know, I think a lot of people are
looking at this thing is so wide open, and it is.
It's wide open. What's prevent us from telling anyone who

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would listen that the Tigers should be the prohibitive favorites
to come out of the American League?

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
Do you think, first of all, I got tickets. It's
a nice game. Nice If you got free tickets to
the game, would you go? Two tickets? You will go
to the game? Y?

Speaker 12 (01:10:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
I think a lot depends on my schedule, Okay, but I.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
Would you go if the tickets were given by the
other team Superstar.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
By the other team super Jose Ramirez gave you the tickets.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
I appreciate the tickets. The night Man, We're gonna pull
up on you one time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
I think he's one of the world. I think he's
one of the most underrated players in baseball. I remember
having a conversation with aj Hinch. I think it was
about four years ago, maybe three and a half. We
were in the dugout and I said, if you could
have one player to help your team right now, who
would it be. He didn't even hesitate. He didn't say

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show Hey, he didn't say Aaron Judge. He said Jose Ramirez.
Because he hits for a hour average, he hits for power.
He's a good defensive player, he'll steal your bags. And
he's an everyday guy, shows up at the ballpark every day,
low maintenance dude. He's a really good player if he
played in someplace other than Cleveland. And I'm not using

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the small market stuff compared to the big market. I'm
just they're not on a lot of national TV broadcasts.
I know he's an All Star. I know a lot
of people like him. I know Stephen Kwan gets a
lot of love because of what he does in left field,
and rightfully so. But Jose Ramirez would be a megastar
if he played in a larger in a team on

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a team that got more national pub Let's put it
that way.

Speaker 6 (01:11:43):
To ask your question, Detroiters, And I could be wrong
with this is just my insight, so you can shoot me,
not everybody. I just think they because of how things
have gone and in pursuit of championships, with the exception
of four in two thousand and eight Red Wings, I
think in that last twenty almost twenty years, seventeen years

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or so, the things just don't bounce that way. And
I think teams don't believe because there's no way you
could tell me that you believe the Blue Jays can
win the World Series or at least make it out
of the air, that you believe the Red Sois can
make it to the playoffs side of air? Did you
even believe the Guardians have an outside chance? Because this
is what you kind of constantly ask on to show,
like what about the Guardians and entirely.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
Get caught up.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
You mean to tell me the Mariners and the Astros
you have all faith and all these teams make it
to the World series and maybe even winning, but not
the Tigers, who are second to only the Blue Jazz.
I think it's just because of how things have shaken
out in Detroit, whether it was the Rings, whether it's
the Pissons, whether it's the Tigers side, they things shake out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
Yeah, I think the Tigers might be one of those
situations where because they played so well in the first
half and most people realistically realized they weren't going to
be able to keep up that pace, and then when
those people were right, they're surprised at how this team
has basically been and you know, hanging in there just okay, right,

(01:13:03):
there's seven and thirteen I believe in their last twenty
games something like that, Like they're not they people feel
like they should be running away with the division rather
than having a six game lead, and people wondering if
they're peaking at the right time. Like Seattle right now

(01:13:24):
is one nine in a row. Seattle's been really good ball.
They've leaped froug Houston. They've got a game lead on Houston.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
Seattle playing so well right now, set well.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Obviously cal Raley is should be in the MVP conversation.
Fifty four Okay, fifty four bombs, which is tied with
Mickey Mantle for most ever by a switch hitter, and
Mickey Mantle did it in nineteen sixty one with fewer games.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Played, already most ever by a catcher.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
And already most ever by a catcher. A Hanio Suarez
has helped them with their power, but they're you know,
they're starting pitching as well. You've got some questions out
their bullpen, but they're starting pitching. Somebody put it really
well not too long ago. I think it was an
al scout and he said, when you see a team
all the time, you recognize their deficiencies so much more glaringly.

(01:14:15):
And I think that's what happens to us here in Detroit.
We see that we don't have anybody past Trek's scooble,
even though Casey Mies has won fourteen games and pitched, well,
who's going to finish the deal? Is it going to be?
You know, obviously it's time gonna be Alex Cobb. That
was a ridiculous signing. He's not going to be Chris Paddock,
he's been relegated to the bullpen. It's not could be

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Charlie Morton. He's got a five ninety ra. So where
are you going to go? Well, depends on who you play, right,
I mean, how important is that if you can get
five innings out of your starter, Hi, cater Montero, you
can go to your bullpen. That bullpen can be plenty
of fresh if Trek Schooble's giving you seven and Casey
Mice is giving you six or seven. But I don't

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outside of the start that Detroit had where they're the
first team to thirty wins and forty wins and so
on and so forth, I think there's a lot of
people have said, you know what I mean, this team
has come back down to earth. I'm just not feeling
it when there's been so many examples of teams where
you may not have felt it. Twenty twenty two NLDS
San Diego, for example, beats the Dodgers, and the Dodgers

(01:15:23):
were won sixty eight and a half percent of their games.
We could use a ton of examples. I got a
ton of them, Okay. I just get that sense that
a lot of people are, like I just I'm not
feeling it. Maybe I'm wrong that.

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
It's interesting thing as well because Detroit Sports, like Braylan
called out it went through the mud for a long
time where we didn't know if we were going to
get a playoff team, yeah, let alone a squad that
could actually compete for a championship.

Speaker 8 (01:15:47):
And that's why I wonder how much do the.

Speaker 9 (01:15:49):
Old Tigers and getting just so closed but not really
being able to close the deal if it's not a
championship or if it's not a super Bowl that fans
can you know, definitely identify with and say and believe
our team is going to win it. It just seems
like people are starting to say, you know what, I
don't even want to deal with the journey anymore, and
you do. It seems like that that might be affecting

(01:16:10):
just a little bit of how much people are.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
I think that's part of the fun. I think the
journey is fun. Somebody brought up a really good point.
They said, look, you damn right, chef, that the division
should be wrapped up. Mark sent this. He said, it
was a fifteen game lead. Yeah, it's hard to maintain
that in baseball. And I would remind you that it
was a while ago, about twenty four years ago, the

(01:16:35):
Mariners set a record for most wins. They're winning percentages
over seven hundred, and they lost to the Yankees in
the first runt of the playoffs. So, I mean, these
things happen. I just feel like there is a lack
of true belief that some people have a lot of
people in the CHET have put you know what, how
about Troy Melton? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
How could? It's almost as if maybe they're pulling the
wool over our eyes. Maybe they're pulling this one out
of the underneath their sleep. It could be. What would
be the problem with starting a dude like that who's
got wicked stuff and is in general around the strikes on.
He throws a lot of strikes That's a good thing,
I believe, and Chris Fetter harps on that constantly. Why

(01:17:22):
would you start somebody who has struggled mightily as of
late instead of the kid who's pitched really well because
it's his first playoff. You're gonna get your first playoff
at some point. I hate to tell you. Casey Mais
has never pitched in a playoff game. Spencer trocol Sin's
never hitting a playoff game. They haven't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
They weren't.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
They were in the dugout last year. Dude, they weren't active.

Speaker 9 (01:17:44):
Remember, it's crazy to think about when you put it
that way, you were fast to this. When we were
feeling a little bit better about ourselves. You did talk about, hey,
we have to look at this this pitching staff, who's
your number two, who's your number three? And some things
as that's crept up. So I think you've been ahead
of it because you also state that I still think
this it's a good team. I believe with a lot

(01:18:04):
of people who put their faith in the pitching being
able to carry us, that might that might be why people.

Speaker 8 (01:18:10):
Are a little bit disconnected.

Speaker 9 (01:18:11):
And you're right, a lot of people thought this division
would be wrapped up by now. We thought we were
gonna force these teams to be sellers in our division way.

Speaker 8 (01:18:19):
Before the trade deadline.

Speaker 9 (01:18:20):
And as things cool off, you know, we forget that
baseball is a fickle, fickle sport. There's so many ups,
so many downs, and you get on that one little
hot streak as it starts to cool down, as you
get a little bit closer to October, and things work out,
and I do believe as as rotations start to tighten
up a little bit, that does give, in my opinion,
the Tigers a little bit of a boost going into

(01:18:43):
the plus as it tightens up, I do I do
you get to rely a little bit more on your
Terek Schoogle, You get to put maybe.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
One or two of your strong arms starting a bullpen.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
He's generally starting one a series. You're going four starters
in the playoffs. It's probably gonna start one series.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
I think that's also who were a little bit more
cautious and to the things. You know, I didn't even
realize Tog didn't play last year, absolutely correct, and neither
the Casey mights pitch you bought two That Padre is like,
come on, that Padre team was stacked.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
Yeah, but well, I guess my point went and so
were the Dodgers though.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
Yeah, but what I'm saying is going into that like,
well they pulled it up. Yet they pull it off
like Hosmer, like Machado, profar grisham Soto like you Darvish,
like this squad was lit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
But during the series, during the regular season series, they
were all scored one hundred and nine to forty seven
by the Dodgers. That's how bad it was. That was
that was a dominating performance. The Dodgers opened up a
can of whoop ass on the Podras during the regular
season and they won sixty five, sixty eight and a
half percent of their games and while while the Potteris
were barely over five hundred.

Speaker 6 (01:19:50):
No, it's no, you're very true. They called called lightning
in the bottom. But also that's the team that knows,
that knows each other, that's a rival. If you will
you see them in the postseason, that's a r like.
That's not necessarily about what we did in the preseason.
That's about what happens now, what are you willing to
put up? And Padres they were rock and roll. Is
that the they lost the Phillies lost Phillies.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
And Phillies Phillies in the World Series. That was a
great belief.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
So that was a great series.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
Dodgers have been on the down side of that quite
a bit. I mean, the Nlds in twenty twenty three,
remember the d Backs beat them, and there was like
a ninety eight point difference between those two teams. Anyway,
I mean, there's there's a ton of them. You know,
the Nationals in twenty nineteen, behind Steven Strasburg beating the.

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
Astros still getting paid and yeah, I know, and.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
The Astros had a sixty six winning percentage. I think
I think it's wide open. There's no question about it.
There's wide open. Phillies won again last night. They clinched.
There's suddenly just a game back of Milwaukee. I don't
know if it truly matters that much like we we
think it does.

Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
It mattered for the Lions on Sunday. Don't tell me
that it didn't. Home field did matter. It should didn't
matter from Minnesota on Sunday night. And if I told
you this, you might be surprised. Since baseball went to
its new format with twelve teams, the home team is

(01:21:18):
sixty and sixty four. Sixty and sixty four. Tom Verducci
side dot Com credit there, he's the one who did
the research sixty and sixty four. The home field stuff
out the window man last year?

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Yeah, yeah, were getting smoked.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
In the World Series. Yeah right right. Houston lost obviously
to the Tigers. Throw that out the window.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
In Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Uh yeah, but Cleveland held Serve in the final in
Cleveland one here too, So I get it. You know,
people are going to be waving the white towels or
the orange towels or the blue towels or whatever. It
may be Okay, some type of towel in October, and
that's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be a great atmosphere.
They're gonna win their first division since twenty fourteen. People
can make a difference, athletes. You better than anybody would

(01:22:06):
know this. We'll tell you that. But it's not. There's
sure as hell is no guarantee, man, and the numbers
prove that out. I'd love to see Detroit gett a
first round and home field throughout. I just don't know
if that's possible when you look at the rest of
their schedule and don't tell me Cleveland to push over.
Cleveland's been red hot, number one and number two. They're
three games back in the final playoff spot. If you

(01:22:28):
don't think they have something to play for, you haven't
been following Cleveland very closely.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
Yeah, no, this is true.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
Now you want to see the Tigers pick up some
type of momentum, you know, I thought the kind of
the start of it was gonna be that Yankee Series.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
I was a little bit wrong about that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
But because what do we expect from the Tigers this year?
Just looking at it, seeing what's a fair expectation, because
they're gonna win a division. I don't care what you say.
The division's done. They'll wrap that up. They'll get in
as the two seed. You know, at the least maybe
somehow sneak to the one seed.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
But like, what do you expect?

Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
Like what is exciting here in Detroit is because last
year we went to the second round and we almost
I know, it's almost, we almost been further.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
Is it dominating your.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
First round playoffs and going to seven games in Toronto two?
Is it getting to the ALCS and losing regardless of
how you lose, or is it like, no, I really
have faith in this team or I expect this team.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Yeah, I expect them to get to the American League
Championship Series and depending on who they play, like if
they're matched up against Houston, if they're matched up against Boston,
if they're matched up against New York, I expect them
to win notes of that series. I think that's okay
to to accept that Toronto would be tough and I

(01:23:43):
think Seattle would be tough. And I've said this at
nausea and probably a lot of people may roll the rise.
It's because I really like Seattle starting rotation. I think
Brian Woo's really good. I think Louis Castile is really good.
I think Lolburn Gilbert's really good. I think they have
I think they've got really good starting pitching. Their bullpen's
not as strong. That's why their starters are more important.

(01:24:04):
They've got really good power. Detroit's got good power. So
I think that that's that's my expectation. I sure as
hell don't expect them to get bounced in the first
round or the first round that they play, and outside
of maybe two teams, I would be I would call
it a disappointment, not a failure. I'd call it a
disappointment if they didn't win the American League Championship Series.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
Here's my excitement for what you just said. I love
how you structured it out because I believe they can
beat all those teams to In fact, I expect them
to beat all those teams.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
But I'm gonna throw the caveat in there. The Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
They're the MLB's version of the Minnesota Vikings because they
gonna get to the playoffs. But when they get there,
it's just a matter of time for they do. The
Seattle Mariners thing, much like the Minnesota Vikings. So if
we're banking on cal Raley, Cal you may be the thing,
but your franchise they don't know how to win in
October Man. So I'll just go with history because it's
on our side.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
Even though these didn't play on that history or as
part of that hit.

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
It doesn't matter because they entered into a team that
that's their history. You played for the franchise and this
is what the franchise has been and has done.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
I'm just it's the Vikings.

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
The Vikings are going to the super Bowl, not so
faz just because Definds caught that pass.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
What happened at very next game.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Well, I'm sure there are, Like I've said, I mean,
they're starters, and George Kirby that needs to be added
to that. That that's starting rotation of cl and not
all of them have been great, okay, But when you've
got Kirby and Castillo and Wu and Gilbert, I don't

(01:25:41):
think there's anybody. I like Emerson Hancock. I liked him
at Georgia. I thought he was a really good picture
at Georgia. Throws fire. Those four starters that is really
tough to get by. Not all of them have had
great years. But those are four starters that when you
put that in a lineup, you're like, that's good stuff
right there. And when you put Detroit's and granted it's

(01:26:02):
not all about the starting pitching, but all I hear
from people all the time is give me pitching and
give me defense. Base running is pretty important too, and
Detroit does a really good job of that. When you
look at especially at home, when you look at Detroit
starting pitching and you go Schoobl, he's won out of
all of them. And then you go Mice and then
you go, Okay, can you help me with that? I

(01:26:25):
think that's an issue I do. You're asking an awful
lot of Trek's Schouobl. I would remind you that the
last game of last season, you're in Cleveland, You've got
the best pitcher in the world on the mounting you lost.
That's why it's really important. I mean, if he stubs
his toe at all, or he injures his lat like

(01:26:47):
he did last what happens. Then that's the one area
that this team did not address. They tried to that
this team did not address. That might come back. I
hope it doesn't, but might come back. On hand.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
You want even better.

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
He doesn't have to stub his toe, he doesn't have
to do a little something with the rotary cut. He
can just have a bad night, right, it happens as
justin Berlin about it for the Tigers. You can just
have a bad night. And who's your We don't we
have a two? Potentially we say all we got Casey.
The three isn't even a three in the four is
in the fours? Like and these are the other pictures.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Yeah, some people, Yeah, people will argue for Jack Flaherty.
I keep arguing, keep arguing. He's been very inconsistent. He's
been okay against some good teams lately. The thing terrible
against the White Sox.

Speaker 9 (01:27:34):
When you look at I can't even drink the Flarity
kool aid.

Speaker 8 (01:27:38):
Really, I just that's been that's been on the.

Speaker 9 (01:27:41):
Roads, up and down roller coaster aspects of the Tiger season.
For me, I know other people have their gripes. For
for me, it's flarity because of the expectation, so we
should be able to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
This would be my question just to to the to
the management. Are you thinking about Troy Melton as a
possible starter in the postseason and if they say no
because he doesn't have enough games under his belt. My
question would be this A how many games do you
have to have? B? How good do you have to
be to get that? And see why is there a

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problem for those who argue against it that he's never
started in the playoffs. But it's okay to throw in
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Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
I was watching that Charges game last night and it
got me thinking about something from last season. Last year,
Michigan comes off the national championship in twenty four.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
Then they finished last year eight and five. I want
to say, yeah, the Fish eight and five.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
With two really impressive wins to close it.

Speaker 6 (01:37:07):
Up, right, had two big wins to close out went
over Alabama and went over Ohio State previously before that,
and everybody has all the jokes, ha ha, this is
who Michigan is. How do you come after this and
become this that and the third? Then I'm watching yesterday
and I'm watching the Chargers game and I'm watching the
team in the NFL that Jim Harball turned around from
a team that everybody laughed at in terms of how
they were own, how they were run, the Los Angeles Chargers,

(01:37:30):
and then what does he bring year one and make
it to the playoffs eleven wins and then this year
they're two and one and it looks like they're going
to take this division by storm. Still early, but they're
two wins. Both happened to be in division. The Chargers defense,
it's number one in the league right now. It was
number three in the league last year. Who's that defensive coordinator,
Jesse Mentor where did he leave last year?

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:37:52):
Along with twenty two players that were drafted or put
on teams and to the NFL. I used to laugh
at everybody talking stuff about Michigan last year, Like what
other institution lost twenty two players at head coach, strength
and conditioning coach and everybody else, And excuse me, one
ten games, one, eleven games, one, twelve games that got back.
Just watch what they're doing in the NFL. It lets

(01:38:13):
you know how much and what was taken from the university. Yeah,
you know those by the way, the Chargers, they didn't
have their plays beforehand.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
Yeah, those those same people will argue, were the ones
arguing that, you know, losing Ben Johnson Aaron Glenn might
be too much to overcome too. But if but if
another team loses almost an entire staff, then they may
say to.

Speaker 7 (01:38:37):
Your point, Braylan, everyone talks about all the science as
a science. Who did they fire before twenty twenty one?
Don Brown?

Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
Who they hire?

Speaker 7 (01:38:44):
Mike McDonald's he's a head coach, a head coach of
an NFL team and just looks good. Who has been
a dog for the last year in the Chargers in
two games. So I'm saying the defense changed. It was
designed to stop Ohio State. And again Aidan Hutchinson, David Ajabo,
all those dudes helped a lot too. But the defense

(01:39:05):
is the main part why the Michigan football changed from
twenty twenty one twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Yeah, all excellent points, valid points. I think Brandon b
said you said four or five doesn't mean anything. I
don't know if he meant four or five starting pitchers.
That's not what we said. We said four really important
to have four. I think you're going to use probably,
I think you're gonna lose you'll use four in a

(01:39:29):
playoff series four starters depending on how it's spaced out.
But that's the overall gist of it. I do have
a question. Look, I was thinking, I do. I was
thinking about you last night while I was watching this game.
My wife got lover watched both games with me. I mean,
she just sits in her chair and she's like, yeah, yeah,

(01:39:49):
she likes to play scrabble on her phone, but at
least she's watching and every once in a while she'll
look up because I'll make a comment. She even said
to me, she goes, I cannot believe how hard they
hit in this league. And I was I'm multitasking to
working at the same time, and I'm looking on my
computer and there's a shot of Jack Campbell getting to

(01:40:11):
Caleb Williams, but he blew up DeAndre Swift first, like
I don't know if people remember this during the game
on Sunday, but just ran over him like he was
standing still, just blew him up. Campbell's a big, strong dude, right.
The amount of contact and I use that word very

(01:40:33):
carefully because it's not contact, it's collision that these guys
have and then have to get up afterwards and they
get up quickly. To me, it's just mind blowing them,
even for Sterling Shepherd for crying out loud, these smaller
receivers who have to be able to handle that, because
these guys are coming and they're laying the wood heavy.

(01:40:55):
It's amazing to me. So I was thinking about you
last night because that's the kind of stuff that was
going on.

Speaker 5 (01:41:01):
Now, you're absolutely right. But what happens with that shep
is you just can get conditioned to it, and it is.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
How what do you mean? How do you how do
you get conditioned to it? What?

Speaker 6 (01:41:09):
I started playing tackle football in the streets. Mind you
on the streets. I'm not the only one.

Speaker 5 (01:41:13):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
You guys in the chat had done it. We played
tackle football in the street, like the only time we
played How did you play it?

Speaker 5 (01:41:18):
Back in the day?

Speaker 6 (01:41:19):
It was touched, but if it was next to the
curve where the grass was, it's tackle. Its on limit
that starts at four, five, six seven, tackle football, little
league football. It was like all my life, I've tackled
all my life. I've found ways to all right, cool,
I know I'm a this is what I'm I'm probably
gonna take it hit like this or I'm gonna have
to I'm gonna probably take it on this side because

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you got hours and hours and hours and hours of
repetition of knowing that, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
We did the same thing. But man, that's just a
different level. I'm sorry it is. I mean, it's just
it's a different level. You gotta be you just got
to be built differently. It's it's simply amazing and there's
just not that many people who can do it. It was.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
That's why my job is from two to four.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
Yeah, that's four.

Speaker 8 (01:42:03):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
I have enjoyed watching the early parts of football this
year because on a regular basis we seem to see
different teams come up and different teams start to take over,
and there's gonna be other teams that were really good
fall down a little bit. I did have this. I
don't know if you watched any of Jimmy fallon. It's

(01:42:25):
not like I watched the show, but but but I did.
But I did see Kate Cunningham was on the show,
and I did see Hutchinson was on the show, and
Kate suddenly ko Lay Siesta is over, Kate Cunningham said
when they asked him about being drafted by Detroit and

(01:42:46):
how he felt, and he said it was great to
come to a team that was as storied as the Pistons.
So my question to you would be, are the Pistons
they storied franchise and if so.

Speaker 6 (01:42:59):
Why taking my Detroit roots, which is gonna be tough,
taking my Detroit roots out of the equation.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
I would say yes. I would say yes.

Speaker 6 (01:43:10):
I think they're a story route because of not even
just the Alario O'Brien's themselves, the multiple Lariobrians that the
Pistons have will be three for those of you out there.
It's one what the Bad Boys created. The Bad Boys
era in itself, like obviously two championships they played in
four h four finals. They have played in four finals
and that they won two of those.

Speaker 5 (01:43:31):
They beat Bird, they beat Magic, they beat Jordan's.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Essent, they played.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
A right So like that era in itself, the Bad Boys.
When you say bad.

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
Boys, everyone in this country knows what you're talking about
to your point, So yeah, you get the Bad Boys,
and I think you get an iconic player in Isaiah Thomas.

Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
Like even to this day with the resurgence of.

Speaker 6 (01:43:50):
Podcasts, when you mentioned Isaiah Thomas, people like, yeah, he's
probably no less than third point guard and he's just
young people too, instead of added Steph Curry to that moniker,
you know, so to have that that that bowls well.
And then you turn around and you create something else
and you can share your thoughts on it, But then
you create the going to work Pistons. Now, outside of Detroit,

(01:44:10):
it may not be talked about is going to work Pistons.
But outside Detroit, what is talked about is the gentleman
sweep of the Los Angeles Lakers, the fact that you
made six Eastern Conference finals. And then you create another
iconic player in the sense Ben Wallace, Fear the Fro
I think with that two three, Larry O'Brian's and then
you've created something and the bad boys that will never

(01:44:30):
die much like the Fab five. And then to go
on to work pistons. I think it's a great story.
But you create another iconic player and Ben Wallace and
the story of undrafted to the Hall of Fame and
defensive player a year four times. So when you say story, yeah,
like is it the biggest but then you get into
is it the biggest story?

Speaker 5 (01:44:50):
No, it's not the biggest story.

Speaker 6 (01:44:52):
There are stories, or they're franchise with bigger stories, their
storyline a little more extensive.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
Maybe it's a little nicer, but a story franchise.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Yes, yeah, I would never compare the Fab Five to
the to the Bad Boys. The Fab Five didn't win anything.

Speaker 6 (01:45:09):
Guess what they talk They talk about the Fab Five more,
they talk about the bad boy pissons.

Speaker 5 (01:45:12):
That's all I was saying, Yeah they do.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
I mean they didn't win a Big Ten title. For
crying out loud, the best team, the best team in Michigan.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
I'm not gonna call you hated, but man, little Tippy.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
The best Michigan team of all the time is nineteen
eighty nine. And they never get any of them. They don't.
They don't.

Speaker 7 (01:45:31):
Uncle tells me that tells says it all the time
about the Fab Five.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
They win, Well, Trey Burke let his team to a
national title. They didn't win, they didn't win. But well,
I'm just saying.

Speaker 5 (01:45:43):
Siva the block On absolutely believe.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
I called that game and I was absolutely the forfeit there.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
The biggest thing that they did in that game is cheating.

Speaker 6 (01:45:52):
The biggest thing they did is, first of all, it
was two three pointers and they didn't get the air
once for Trey Burke angling Robinson. The one they cheated
the most was their guy that got hot at the
end of the half, Louke Hancock. Hancock. Hancock, Hancock foul.
That would have been his fourth file of the half.
It was clear as day it was on him. But
what they do They passed the foul to Gordie Jang

(01:46:13):
because he only had one.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
He had two.

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
They left Hancock in the game, and then what happened.
Michigan forgot to guard him the rest of the half.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
And he had five threes.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
Yeah, and Hancock didn't play much. It didn't do much
in the second half.

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
Just like but that part right there, Michigan was legitimate.

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
They were trading baskets in a tight space where Michigan
had eight threes and then Louisville also had eight. Shouldn't
have got five of them?

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
Well, yes, believe me, it's it's my resume reel, So
it's a it's a it comes back to me. It
comes back to me very clearly. It was an incredible run,
but they did get there, So I digress with that.
I think you're absolutely right about the Bad Boys. I
think they are a team that does not get recognized
nearly enough. But when we talk about a team that

(01:47:00):
is storied, I need to know what the definition is
from people when they say they're storied, because if it's
about championships, Miami is storied. If it's about championships, Philadelphia's
storied because they too have three championships. Right. I love
Isaiah Thomas. I've said this that nause him for twenty years.

(01:47:21):
Nothing pisses me off more than him not being on
the Dream Team. Nothing pisses me off more about Magic
Johnson not sticking up for him and Chuck Dailey not
sticking up for him. It drives me flipping nuts. But
we always say, well, in order to get into the
Hall of Fame, are you the best player of your generation? Well,
Isaiah unfortunately played at the same time as Magic Johnson.
He was the best point guard of his generation. And

(01:47:43):
the Pistons, unfortunately weren't the best team in any of
the decades. Best team in the decades of the eighties
was the Lakers, they won five, the Celtics won three,
Pistons won two. Best team in the nineties, unfortunately is
the Bulls they won six. The Pistons won one. That's
where you know, is it storied or not. They got

(01:48:03):
twenty two Hall of Famers. That's a big deal, man,
it really is. Just for clarity. I think they are too,
but some of that might be a little bit of
my heart more than my head. As a franchise, it's
got a winning percentage of forty seven point one percent. Okay,
so that's a little difficult to do sometimes. So Kate
Cunningham said that, and I just thought, to myself, is

(01:48:25):
it I believe it is people. I try to separate
myself people outside of Detroit people cover basketball, do they
feel that way? I don't know many people who do.

Speaker 6 (01:48:37):
In that case, real quick, in that case, there's only
three story Friends and that CAD's only two story franchises.
In that case, it's only two because it because it
becomes less about the wins and more about where you
consistent through all the decades, and that's going to be
the Celtics and Lakers essentially, because no, the Spurs, like
Spurs didn't do anything until they at five, but they

(01:48:58):
didn't do anything until ninety nine.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
But they were considered the best team of their era.
Is the point.

Speaker 8 (01:49:04):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
The Golden State Warriors have seven. They were considered the
best team of that era.

Speaker 8 (01:49:09):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
That's kind of my point when you can bundle them.
Like kool Aid said to me before the show, He's like,
I think they you know, they justified it by the
going to work Pistons in two thousand and four, I said,
justified what. They didn't need to justify anything. They had
back to back championships, played in three straight. To Ryan's point,
they probably they should have won it. I thought the
eighty eight team was the best team that the Pistons had,

(01:49:32):
and I thought they got totally screwed. But what are
you gonna do about that? There's nothing you can do
about that. I thought the Lions got screwed in Dallas,
got the Lions got screwed in Seattle. There's nothing you
can do about that. It's history. It's what have you done.
And I don't care how many times you've gone to
an Eastern Conference final, man, it's about rings at the
end of the day.

Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
And to your point, those teams that they were in
area where you said they weren't the best of their era,
of any era, because of the Lakers in the eighties
and because even the Celtics coming up and runners up
with three championships.

Speaker 5 (01:50:01):
They still won two. And I'm not going to.

Speaker 6 (01:50:03):
Get into the minutia who cheated and who didn't, because
that's not what we're talking about. We're not talking about
what could have happened. We're talking about what did. What
did is they still beat both of those individuals, and
they won two titles doing it, and they wanted three
different errors back to back to back. They won nineties
and they won eighties, nineties, two thousand, But.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
They also lost more to those two individuals. Those Lakers
and Celtics.

Speaker 6 (01:50:23):
Lost phantom foul, but they beat them twice. They still
doubled up. And these are in also chip if it's fair,
These aren't just two teams in the era. These are
considered two of the greatest teams of all time.

Speaker 5 (01:50:37):
Not franchises.

Speaker 6 (01:50:38):
I'm talking about those particular teams, the eighty seven Lakers
in the eighty six Celtics. Aren't they considered arguly the
greatest two teams or.

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
One of the top five. Yeah, that two of the
top five. They beat both those teams well, and then
they held.

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
Different versions agree, I think, and I've said this to
I remember being in Atlanta and having this conversation before
I was about to do a Piston game and somebody
had brought it up. I said, hold on a second
in nineteen eighty eight because they were talking about how
Magic was hurt in eighty nine and the Pistons got
a break by by that happening. And I said, hold
on a second. Do you remember what happened in nineteen

(01:51:13):
eighty eight because in nineteen eighty eight Rick Mahorne couldn't
play because it was back Do you remember what happened
in nineteen eighty seven because Vinnie Johnson collided with Adrian
Dantley had to head at Boston Garden. So I don't
want to hear it all right? Like I said, I
think Detroit is story got hamstring. Yes, I think they're
a storied franchise. I just wanted your response. I wanted

(01:51:35):
your thoughts on it. I like to make people think
and make sure we're not thinking too much with our heart.
Instead we should be thinking with our head.

Speaker 6 (01:51:43):
I tell you what k cunnyem now is up because
as of right now, we believe we're story franchises. But
to take that next step, it would be good to
get some current success. And I think kool a last
year was a very good step for k Cunyam is
a good step for the Pistons and a good stuff
for JB.

Speaker 5 (01:51:59):
Bickers that this is it. We believe in what this
team can be.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
You want to be a story franchise, take that next
step currently, that's how the Celtics are keeping their story
franchise is now what they did back in the fifties
when it was black and white. It's about being able
to move to Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and Kevin Garnet,
to move to Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown and getting
another chip.

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
So they're continuing the success.

Speaker 6 (01:52:21):
And the Lakers yea with Lebron and you know whatever,
but yesause continue.

Speaker 8 (01:52:25):
Up until the little.

Speaker 9 (01:52:27):
Blip, the Detroit Pistons had won at least a championship
per decade where teams were stacked in the deck, where
teams that we know when you talk about that story
component of it, the Pistons have been known as you
know what, we'll find a way to bust through.

Speaker 8 (01:52:40):
It doesn't matter what deck you stack.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
What do you mean stack in the deck?

Speaker 9 (01:52:43):
Oh, you look at the They've played in one against
the greatest teams and the greatest players of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
Getting Mark maguired wasn't stacking the deck.

Speaker 8 (01:52:50):
No, barely.

Speaker 9 (01:52:52):
You look at the talent disparity between even them and
some of the teams they beat.

Speaker 8 (01:52:55):
They didn't have the squads Hall of famers that boy Pistons.

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
Are you talking about the bad boy Pistons?

Speaker 9 (01:53:03):
The talent and the bad boys the Lakers for that era'.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
No, you're saying stack the deck. First of all, I
don't know how you stack a deck when you draft players.
The Lakers drafted Magic Johnson, James Worthy, traded for Byron
Scott because he was a Clipper. They traded normOn Nixon
for him. I don't know what you mean by stacking
the deck. This is not baseball where you're going out
and grabbing all these free agents. The Pistons drafted some
of theirs, but they also brought on Rick Mahorne, They

(01:53:31):
brought on James Edwards, they brought on Bill Lambier, they
brought on Vinnie Johnson, and they brought on Mark acguire.
They a hadded Adrian Danley before then. How is that
not stacking the deck?

Speaker 5 (01:53:39):
I think you got to have two different conversations.

Speaker 8 (01:53:41):
Not the best players.

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
Adrian Danley wasn't the best player the j were.

Speaker 9 (01:53:45):
We're not sitting here said these guys didn't go out,
they were not the best teams. They had to reach
up above the best teams of all time to literally
win championships.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
I think that's what I think you're talking about Lebron.
You might be talking about Lebron James and Chris Spash
and Dwyane Wade. If you're talking about the eighties Pistons,
you're way off base. Mark acguire was a great player
for Dallas.

Speaker 6 (01:54:07):
Yeah, for Dallas, But when he came here and they
put him on the bench as the six man's his
role diminished a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:54:12):
And I know that.

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
But then then he went to the bench so Dennis
could start, and Dennis started.

Speaker 5 (01:54:17):
But what he's just saying, it's two different things what
you're saying. Let me clean it up.

Speaker 6 (01:54:21):
If you look at the roster and you look at
what the names are. James Worthy number one pick overall,
Kareem abdu Jabar number one pick all, regardless of how
old he was, Magic Johnson number one picker overall, Byron
Scott number three pick overall or four I think it
was three or four.

Speaker 5 (01:54:35):
When you look at all this down the line, and
then you look at move this player here, pick this
player up from here. This guy was not really wanting
over here. He was good at what he did here.
The Pistons were a much better team in cohesion when
they finally beat the Lakers.

Speaker 6 (01:54:50):
The Lakers, the Lakers talent superseded. That is what he's saying,
just in the regular season talking.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
I guess the thing that bothers me slightly is, you
know the phrase stacked the deck because it really was impossible.
You know, Markguire was the first overall pick.

Speaker 8 (01:55:06):
Right, Yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 5 (01:55:09):
Dallas in nineteen eight he went one. Isaiah too too.

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
Yeah, So I'm just to me, that's a little I mean,
the third six old.

Speaker 9 (01:55:19):
Team and because I remember even going through it and
looking at it, they were not the team picked any
of the years.

Speaker 8 (01:55:23):
They were going to win.

Speaker 9 (01:55:24):
To win, we can do the same to bring through
because there were teams even in the East that that's
people thought were better than them and they were ready
to crown. It was almost like the whole Jordan love
thing with the Packers.

Speaker 8 (01:55:34):
People were just ready, they were ready.

Speaker 9 (01:55:36):
To cry them the last two years, but the Lions said,
we have a different schedule.

Speaker 8 (01:55:39):
The Bisiness did the same type of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
Dude, it didn't like I don't I don't know what
you've been reading. But in nineteen eighty eight eighty nine
they won sixty three games.

Speaker 8 (01:55:48):
That was their tel end of it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
Though before there's nobody going, sorry, they're not winning. Okay,
they were the favorites. They were.

Speaker 8 (01:55:57):
They started off as the worst, as the worst. Look
at it.

Speaker 9 (01:56:01):
You talk about what the second uh, the second lowest
win total in franchise history.

Speaker 8 (01:56:06):
That was the year before they got Isaiah. The year
after they got Isaiah, they still were terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:56:11):
I talked, dude, I'm talking about their championships, okay, because
the Lakers were bad until Kareem Abdul Jabbar Louell cylinder
went from Milwaukee to Los Angeles too, okay, because there
was a little bit of a respite there in between
the wild cham seventy Lakers. So when when the Pistons
were in their heyday eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety, they
were not considered underdogs by any strike. They won fifty

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four games, they won sixty three games. They were they
were the badass team of that era.

Speaker 8 (01:56:41):
Okay, you Peon was done just about another year or
two after that. That was it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:46):
That was like the intensity both for Detroit, just oppositely
because the sheep is trying to argue, which is in
the argument he's made, letting you know, don't try to
demean how good that Lakers team was and demean the
win that the Pistons got over them.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
Kind of, you win fifty nine games, okay, and you
win a championship. You win sixty three the year before,
fifty fourth the year before. That's a nice little run.

Speaker 5 (01:57:08):
For the Pistons. City here out here.

Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
Do we have time for? Do we have time for? Somebody?
Kind of in a smart ass moment, said she will
ask for the mail bag of three fifty wrong, got in?
What about the mail bag or any of super chats?

Speaker 9 (01:57:24):
You know what, Let's get to some super chats here.
We definitely have some super chats.

Speaker 6 (01:57:27):
We spend no more time on the mail bag tomorrow,
that's what we can do too. Yeah, yeah, we'll get
to it tomorrow, maybe a little early three fifty two,
bang out seven minutes of the mail bag and make
up for it today.

Speaker 5 (01:57:37):
Let's get the super chats.

Speaker 9 (01:57:38):
Hey, let's right, I'll start with Detroit thirty eight, he says.
In the one ninety nine super chat, he says, uh kay,
Cunningham is the absolute best of the Pistons, and I'm
just playing, he said, should Morton youth pro set with
Gibbs and Monty alliance question?

Speaker 6 (01:57:54):
Whatever you're using right now, they should keep it going,
keep it rocking and rolling. No DV eight from the plan.
I think they have a plan that's gonna work for them.
The run game it does need to get a little
bit better. I understand why you asked that questions. They
did get yards, but it still wasn't like we remember
last year, with the exception of the Jamior Gifts touchdown,
which is wide open.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
I don't care that it was a four year touchdown.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
When you get that type of movement, when it's that easy,
you got to give somebody some credit and that it's
the offensive line and guy calling the players up. But yeah,
you know, maybe so. I like what they're doing. But
to your point, the run game it can take a
bigger step.

Speaker 5 (01:58:26):
This week.

Speaker 6 (01:58:27):
It's going to have to on the road against Baltimore.
I think that'd be something because you want to match
the physicality. That's what I've played in Baltimore. I know
what Baltimore is. Baltimore. They try to physically impose their
will at the beginning of the game so that it's
easier in the second quarter, so that it's over halfway
through the third. You got to match that intensity and
running that ball with Monty will if the situation is right,

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I don't want to do like we did last.

Speaker 5 (01:58:52):
Wee against the Commanders.

Speaker 9 (01:58:53):
We got four more super Chats. I'll definitely read for
the people. Kenny Powers filed out a super Powers out,
adding another injury to an already banged up d line.
Does Brad need to make a move? Is he out
before the trade death?

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
Is Kenn he giving us some breaking news?

Speaker 8 (01:59:09):
I didn't see anything. We couldn't find anything, but I.

Speaker 5 (01:59:11):
Do think it's just an assumption based on the pass.

Speaker 8 (01:59:15):
And that imports. Comments weren't the best either, they were
tell us what's going on? Nope, is it serious? I
guess we'll find out.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
You know who's freaking out? Brad Holmes like what, everybody's
right and I'm wrong in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Lynch Pin.

Speaker 8 (01:59:30):
Go Go Lions with the fine explode the super Chat.

Speaker 9 (01:59:33):
He says on several occasions, both guards for Philadelphia went
before the snap ball. That can't be defended on a
push push, so he believes.

Speaker 8 (01:59:42):
I saw that they're moving before the hike.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
Yeah, some people say the entire offensive line is off sides.

Speaker 5 (01:59:48):
No, that's now, that's a lot. Now, that's a whole
different conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:59:51):
Like if you're giving me facts into why this is illegal,
then that's a man.

Speaker 5 (01:59:56):
The NFL has to do something about it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
Good one, thank you, One more, a couple more, actually
two more.

Speaker 9 (02:00:02):
Nick eighty three Fournitine super Chase says, there is no
pass rush. I couldn't tell you who the Packers corners
are because they have an elite pass rush.

Speaker 8 (02:00:10):
Now Davenport hurt. This is on Brad s m h.
And we got Dante.

Speaker 4 (02:00:16):
Had It's hard to argue that.

Speaker 9 (02:00:18):
Yeah, yep, and Dante one five one with the four,
nine and nine super chat, he says. A long time ago,
my dad tried to do fast food for his anniversary.

Speaker 8 (02:00:27):
He says, I'll tell you it didn't go overwell. Also,
it fell on a high school football game. That's rough.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
That's really rough. That's a funny one. It's a great
way to lead the day. Thank you for all your chats.
We appreciate it. What a great day, man, it was.

Speaker 6 (02:00:43):
I disagree about the Green Bay Packers because Hickson, yeah
he had five pass break ups against his n six tackles.
So I heard somebody's name, Yeah it was Hickson, number
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
Yeah, trait just didn't take advantage of it. Hopefully, we'll
talk about a lot of college football coming up this
week because the Big Ten season begins, and of course
Ravens join us tomorrow. Braillen Ewarts Show two to four
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