Will the Detroit Lions PASS the Bears?! | The Braylon Edwards Show | December 15th, 2025

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A lot of times when you don't like that the
weekend ends, But when you got mondays in here with
good people and spirited conversation, I don't mind it. Welcome
everybody to the Brailn Edward Show Monday through Friday two
till four here on Woodward Sports Cameras with us, kool
Aids back with us and the good Luck Sharp is
to my right. Friday Night, Way to go, Wait to

(01:11):
deliver for the Pistons and an absolute epic blow out
went over the Hawks. I'd enjoy it, too bad, I
couldn't be in so far.

Speaker 6 (01:18):
I feel like that's what the good look.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
Yeah, they could have used it. Yeah, it was good.
It was good to be at LCA.

Speaker 7 (01:23):
Like I told you, I've been trying to get to
more and more events as our teams are doing well.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
I think it's important to get out.

Speaker 7 (01:28):
Yeah, I think we had enough time for twenty fourteen
to Sey twenty one, where you're complaining about Piston sucking red.
We starting to see that decline happen the Lions, being
with the Lions are Michigan.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Everybody was a messing.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
So now the teams are good, Like, I think it's
important to get out. It's important to get out, and
it's important to support, especially when you've got guys.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Because I'm like that one hundred and forty two points, man.

Speaker 7 (01:48):
I was a great showing by the Pistons. I didn't
of course, you know me. I didn't see all one
hundred and forty two points, but I saw enough.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
I don't blame you there. I don't blame you.

Speaker 7 (01:57):
Saw enough, had a good time. But I will tell
you this. I'm ready for Christmas. I feel like we've
been in that period long enough. I think once you
get for Thanksgiving, I thought of Christmas as to come around,
but then there's a long waiting period of what's December fifteenth.
Need some good energy, man, some good guys, some good juicy.
It's a little still outside as cold as hell, and

(02:17):
my team sucks, so.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Did somebody else.

Speaker 7 (02:22):
I need the Christmas beard, I need some movies. I
need some lights something. Maybe they need to start putting
like that.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
I should Yeah, we should probably do brings some Yeah,
let's bring some Christmas lights in here. Yeah, that wouldn't
be bad. Brother. You know what.

Speaker 8 (02:35):
I had an eggnog cheesecake the other day.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
This friend of mine made it. And I don't like egnog,
but you could barely take it. Was unbelievable. I mean
it was I don't, but it was incredible. This is
my favorite time of the year and the reason. And
I love Thanksgiving, I really do. I love Thanksgiving. I
love all the traditions and so on and so forth,
but I love this build up to Christmas. There's almost

(03:01):
for me a letdown at Christmas.

Speaker 8 (03:03):
Emotionally.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
I like the build up to Christmas, the anticipation of
delivering gifts and seeing people smile, And I think people
act differently, don't you.

Speaker 8 (03:14):
Around Christmas time?

Speaker 5 (03:15):
I agree with you, Suher kool aid, he's like that
all the time.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
That's because it's magic in there.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
I still believe in it's still out there. You know,
you got a little bit kidding you. But I think
it's because back in the day, it was the lead
up actually led to something that was like magical. Back then,
you're giving out toys, gifts, kids are younger. Can you
go through that phase of them excited, chipping at the
hills to get to Christmas morning? Like that was the
payoff that Now it's we still have the nostalgica memory.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Oh here it.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
Comes, here's the movie season, the twenty five days of Christmas,
And once you get to Christmas Day, it's like, oh wait,
my kids are grown.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
I'm grown. Like this is a different holiday than what it.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Used to be.

Speaker 7 (03:49):
I think that might be a little bit of the
letdown these days.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
It's yeah, I enjoyed it. Yesterday I went to art
and Jakeson Clarkston s KG. That's all right, it was
it was I really enjoyed it. Okay, so spending and
kg as always did a really nice job on the
watch party and inner acting with folks there, and had
a really good time meeting the owners there, young but

(04:15):
energetic and really sharp individuals there. Everybody was in I
couldn't believe how crowded it was. Everybody in there obviously
had their Lions gear on. So I sat with Maz
for a while and a few others of our our
Woodwood sports family and watch some.

Speaker 8 (04:30):
Of the other games.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
And the beauty of it is the ability and willingness
to debate certain football plays and football teams and football players.
The frustrating part is regarding the Lions because there is
a belief that part. Well, I didn't I didn't watch

(04:54):
the full game there, but you're almost a leper if
you don't don't think your team's gonna win. So my
comment was, I don't see how they can keep up
with LA scoring wise, Yeah, I think Detroit could score.
And you're the one who convinced me that they would

(05:14):
be able to score on the Rams. I didn't know
how they were gonna stop.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
LA, and that's the problem, and that obviously.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Turned out to be the problem. Although I will say this,
there was a little bit of me that goes when
when Hutchinson picked off Stafford. I was like, wait a minute,
that's how you beat this too. You forced those turnovers
just like Carolina did to win one game.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
Yeah, I felt really similar man to two years ago
in San Francisco in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
But yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
It is.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
I didn't think about that because that third quarter was putrid.

Speaker 8 (05:44):
It was it was ugly.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
That's exactly kind of what it felt like.

Speaker 7 (05:48):
The frustrating part about for the Lions game is the
idea they were able to score points. It was just
the fact that that was a winnable game. That's the
frustrating part for me is that yesterday was a winnable game.
There was some mistakes made the coaching staff. There were
some mistakes made by players and crucial times that took
away touchdowns, took away yards, got you out of position,
took you out of the situations to where you could

(06:10):
extend the drives in which we talked about in the
second half. So I think this was a winnable game.
We didn't know how they were going to be able
to maintain all game long thirteen drives is enough. It's
a lot to have to contend with the La Rams.
They can score the multiple ways. I think what happened
eventually is at halftime, which a lot of people talk
about the halftime adjustments, they don't exist.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Well, I begged the.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
Different because when that half time came, Sean me bay
saw that he had to do something in the middle
of the field. As it relates to James and Williams
coming inside as well as as Wild as well as
amar Ros Saint Brown.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
They destroyed over the middle of the field.

Speaker 7 (06:42):
And then you saw in the second half put a
little bit of that coverage too on them zone they
spied on excuse me, they play combo coverage on a'mar
Ros Saint Brown in the second half and those players
weren't there as much in the second half. And when
you're not scoring like they were in the first half
and intends about.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
It and the Lions played some zone, Yeah they did.
That opened up Nikoua and others across the middle because
it was.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
Back to what you said thirteen that thirteen personal they
really were able to run the ball. Sean mc bay
is a stubborn sob. As it relates to wanting to
run the football, establishing the running, using the run to
open up Davonte Adams and hooking the cool and Kobe Parkinson,
which I'm sure we'll get into. But then two I
think in just a broad speck, broad stroke looking at
the Lions, looking at the rams, the difference was when

(07:28):
there was no Jamison Williams and there was no I'm
around Saint Brown and throw to the Lions were struggling,
like when they didn't have who would counted for three
hundred yards themselves between the two of them. If you
look at the statuet, the literally all the stats are
Jamison Williams and I'm around Saint.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Brown thirteen fort Brown and seven for Jamo.

Speaker 7 (07:46):
When they shut that down, like you had two other
people that had a reception. Cleif had a reception and
Jamiy Gibbs had four receptions for twenty yards. Like when
you look at the rams, they had nine guys get
a reception. You had seven guys with more than three receptions.
There were ways to.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Get the ball.

Speaker 7 (08:01):
The running game, you had two running backs go over
seventy yards yet again, excuse me, over sixty yards yet again.
So there were multiple ways on the offense where they
could move the ball and hurt you.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
So and the Liaons only had seventy yards rushing total.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
So if it wasn't if it wasn't the Cooler, if
it wasn't Adams, if it wasn't Parkinson, if it wasn't
at will, if it wasn't Corn, if it wasn't Kyen,
there were more places to go with the ball for
Matt Stafford. He came in on two people for Jared
Goff and once that was no longer there. The second
half is a reflection of them.

Speaker 8 (08:30):
It's a really good point.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Only four guys, I mean guys were targeted, right, Montgomery
and Tuslav were targeted each once, but they didn't have
a catch. So it was the same problem with thirteen.
Williams was seven, Khalif Rayman was one less. You mentioned
Gibbs had four catches just twenty yards. I thought what
la basically did is they said, here's what.

Speaker 8 (08:46):
We're gonna have to do. We gotta stop two Mirrorkips, which.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Is rightfu lu So.

Speaker 8 (08:51):
Yeah, And and he didn't.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
He didn't hurt them at all, you know, I mean,
there was no almost barely a threat of him being
that guy you know, and that's why I always tried
his longest run with six yards. So that's why I
always say when they were talking about you and I
were laughing about it. When people are saying he's as
good as Barry Sanders, you and I were like, Okay,
pump the brakes. He does a really nice job and

(09:14):
a lot of different things, but he may not even
be the best running back in the league, as much
as we love him. On the other hand, every running
back needs offensive lineman and they were just they were
not winning at the point of attack.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
Then were winning a point of attack too. And it
goes even beyond that.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
You saw a couple of players yesterday, even Pine Sue
was out of position on a couple of plays. He
had a holding call, could have got a couple more
in the game yesterday. Cologne was out of place a
bunch in that game. One most notably led to a
Jamier Gibbs run that could have been run. When he
gets seven to ten yards, you know, his speeding is explosed,
and he got a loss of four on that play.
In particular, so offensive line play, which has been a

(09:52):
consistent theme. It's been a consistent conversation whether you want
to talk about the five guys that start the season,
or you want to talk.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
About the energy. I mean, excuse me.

Speaker 7 (09:59):
The injured offensive line this season has just been a
consistent conversation.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, I'm not going to claim so there's a couple
of things, right, I'm not going to claim that injuries
are the reason for it, because San Francisco didn't fall
back on that and they've had key injuries too. Bolsa
was gone, Purty was gone, McCaffrey was gone for a while. Yeah,
I know you were, I know you were injuries. Yeah,
I'm saying what some people have said overall, and I'm

(10:25):
not saying you you you're doing this either, but it is.
It is speaking of injuries. Michael Parsons has done for
the year, by the way, NFL Network just announced that.
So I don't root for the Packers, but I like
watching really good players, and his injury is disappointed. That's
a completely different topic that we can get into. His injury,

(10:45):
Patrick Mahomes' injury Malik Neighbors earlier this year goes back
to what you and I have said, and when I
pound my fist on the desk all the time, stop
with the NFL bull crap that they care about the players,
because they really don't. That's an old bit. I don't
want to do it today. But you said it's a
winnable game. What does that mean? You thought it was

(11:05):
a winnable game because I granted they were up ten.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
I don't know if I ever went to seven.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, I don't know if I ever felt comfortable that
they were going to stop LA. So for me, I
didn't look at it as a winnable game. But maybe
you'll change my mind. Explain it to me.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
I didn't look at this a winnable game. Before the
game started, I was with you. I thought the Rams
would win. At some point you would see the Rams dominans.
I guess it kind of happened like that anyway, And
that's what I thought you would see. But when you're
watching the game and the Lions go up, you know
they were responsitory early.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
They missed the field goal.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
They come back, the Rams drive, they get the interception,
they go down, Boom, first play, touchdown, Amara say and Brown.
Now the Rams come back and respond. Lions come back
and respond as well. So early on they get the lead,
the responsibittory mode and they're playing good football. You're starting
to see, Okay, there's something there for the Lion. There's
a different energy to the Lions today. They're getting their
hands up to the point of attack. They're actually making

(11:58):
some plays on defense if you and then offense short
filled a little bit. But Jared Golf got that thing
rocking and rolling early on. He and im around were
able to find each other, find something, get into a rhythm.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
And then here's Jamos.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
So it looked like early on they don't mind keeping up,
they don't mind scoring, and they found that gap.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
They found that niche.

Speaker 7 (12:15):
That we talked about on the show where there would
be some players and they were excited. And the second half
happened and it wasn't the same. The Los Angeles Rams
come up with a nine minute, thirty five second drive
which they only got a field goal, but they wore
the Lions defense down, and I think that's where you
really started to seeing the chinks in the armor break.
But going into the halftime, I thought that this was

(12:36):
a winnable game for the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, I understand that. I thought they played well in
the first half, going three and out on your first
three drives to the third quarter they had a good ideal.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
Had to do it, and some of that's on Dan Campbell,
some of that's on the players. I think Dan Cambell
got put in some situations where he made some questionable
calls on first, second, and third down.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
It kind of looked very similar to the Green Bay
game with Jamiir.

Speaker 7 (12:59):
Gibbs, those spaces where you need a touchdown, you need
a score, you get close to scoring, you getting the
red zone, and here we go, hand it off, handed off,
handed off. The run had not been there. They stopped
the interior run all game long, and we.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Tell us to go there. So when you say get
to get Gibbs involved because you got himself in trouble,
you know you got to go to Gibbs. You're not
suggesting specifically running the football or even specifically running between
the tackles. You're talking about getting him involved in other ways.
I'd like to know how you determine, or anybody, not
just you, anybody determines when you keep pushing the envelope

(13:37):
with a specific player and when you say they've taken
him away, I've got to move on.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Hey, but this is where you got to have your
other plans feel worked out. This is where you have
to have that offensive Excuse me, this is where you
have to have the schematics like you did against the
Eagles until where they were using him a lot in
the past game, how they were moving him around, and
the Dallas game. I know this game was different, but
when you get the lead, this is where you find out, Hey,
that's some of the stuff that we did last week
that worked. This is literally ten days ago where you

(14:03):
had the success that you did against the Dallas Cowboys.
The Eagles game, the success you only had twenty yards rushing,
he had one hundred and thirty receiving, Like, this is
where you're supposed to implement some of those things. And
I think by the time that they said, all right,
this is working, we'll shelf this and come back to it.
When they tried to come back to it was too late.
It's too late because the Rams aren't the team that
will allow you to just pucks around and you know,

(14:25):
here's a drive. Okay, see how things go. It didn't work.
Punt we'll stop them and there's no stopping them. Yeah,
And that's the problem that really hard to Yeah, so
when it's not working, you can't try to figure it
out on the go. That's why you got to come
out when you're up ten points, where you're up seven points,
when you're getting into a little bit of a rhythm.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
I had somebody on social media ask me this question.
I'd love to know your guys thoughts on it. The
question was, shouldn't you be using, in so many words,
your offense to help your defense, in other words, make
keep the ball away from the rams. My response was, well,
I understand why people feel that way, but Detroit, coming

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into the game since Dan Campbell took over his play caller,
had the most explosive plays in the National Football League.
Detroit was the number one scoring team in the National
Football League. Skewed, it's skewed from earlier in the season,
but still those are facts. Why would you play to
be somebody different just because the other teams so successful

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on offense instead of you being truly who you are.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Well probably as probably of being a good coach. A
good coach can adapt to the situation. A really good
coach can adapt the situation, actually make it work in
that situation.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
Keeping an offense as.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
Explosive as the rams off the field, that's kind of like,
excuse me, that's a classrom one on one if you're
going to a game with a team that's that explosive
on offense.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
But what you want to do is you want to run
the ball.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
You want to extend drives, you want to keep the cly,
you want to keep it till you can't keep them
off the field, keep them from getting their rhythm. That
will help you on offense. You don't have to make
that your main thing. But you got to be able
to run the ball. That's what it's just gonna say.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
You gotta run the ball.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
You gotta be able to run the ball.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
The Lions have improven they can run the ball consistently
this season. They've had some really good stints where they
run the ball, and they've had some really stinky stints. Yesterday,
it just wasn't good enough in terms of running ball,
especially when you're looking at the other side.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Sean McVay, Blake Korn and Kyron Williams.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
They ran the ball at every turn, and he made
sure that we're gonna let you know we're using the
run to set up the pass. And now you got
thirteen personnel, you got tight ends I can catch like Parkinson.
You got a two way go and then Pooka plays
a lot in thirteen personnel, so you get two way
goals in those personnels. It makes it that much harder,
especially when you're not getting anything out of the office.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
What did you get two hundred and twenty yards?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Was it?

Speaker 7 (16:45):
Sixteen of twenty two hundred twenty two yards and three
touchdowns in the first half for Jared Gong. In the
second half he was eleven for twenty one. He was
one hundred and ten yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions, for
no touchdown.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
There was a point in the game where Fox had
a graphic and the graphic was in the quarter the Rams,
I believe, had one hundred and seventy nine yards and
the Lions had three. And I don't care. I don't
care if you're playing Cleveland, You're not beating that team.
If that's how it's going to look, right, So that's
that's for sure. Frustrated, and I completely understand it. I

(17:20):
don't blame anybody's frustration. Where do any time you lose,
everybody is ready to point fingers. And by the way,
when you're running the football, and I've learned this from
talking with you guys pros, not just you, but all
kinds of NFL players. When you run the ball, it's
not every ball, not every run is going to be
you know, twelve to fifteen yards. Yeah, and you stay

(17:44):
with it to try and do that. When you get
in trouble, correct me if I'm wrong. Here is when
you start getting behind the chains and you start trailing
on the scoreboard by double digits, that's when it almost
takes it away, depending on the timing of the game.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
Yeah, early on in game lines where head, so it
was a little easier. It's a little more confident. You
go down, you miss the field goal, then you get
the interception, you go down, you score, then they respond.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
That's what the Rams did really good yesterday.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
They kept responding.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
Every time the Lions did something, the Rams will find
a way to respond. So the Lions score. Guess what
the Rams are Here comes Kyen Williams. They score, The
Lions score again. Then they score again, and right before
the half. Because it's about to be what it to have,
it's about to be twenty one fourteen twenty one. Ten
point lead was ten points.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
I mean each team scored seven in the first first quarter.
I think Detroit scored seventeen in the second So it
was twenty four. I thought it was twenty four, twenty one,
twenty four to fourteen, I thought it was. Then they
kick a field goal, just a fu field goal. Yeah,
so twenty four to fourteen, twenty four, Then it made
then it was twenty twenty four seventeen.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Ye they responded.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
They got the field goal, and it took them thirty
seconds of getting field goal range, Like those are those
are moments like, hey, this is a moment because we
know what happens at the end of the have get
that ball back. This is a moment where we do
not want to allow them the opportunity to go down
and get a touchdown or score. And they go down
right there and shaming they They kicked two field goals
that were very pivotal in that game. We miss one,
but they kicked two that were very pivotal. They kept responding.

(19:14):
But getting back to the point with the Lions, they
responded every single time, and it kind of you know,
it's it's tough, yeahn I mean, it's what the Lions
used to do.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
It's what they used to do. And what the players
would tell you afterwards is that they're a resilient group,
which I don't disagree with for a week. You have
to be resilient for the rest of the season now,
because no longer do you hold the tie breakers, no
longer do you hold You know you're destiny in your

(19:43):
own hands. You need help, and they can get it.
I think there's a lot of people who believe they
can get it. There's no doubt about that. But this
one stings for a number of reasons. First of all,
it's Stafford. Second of all, it's McVeigh. Third, you don't
see that the problems have been Look you said this
last week. Arizona moved the ball on the Rams the Lions.

(20:03):
You expected to move the ball on the Ram.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
Carolina beat the Rams, right.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
The difference is what are you gonna do to stop
them from moving the ball? And it remains a problem.
The defense remains a serious problem. If you score thirty
four points, you should win a football game, if you're
a good football team.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Yeah, the problem is just they never felt under the rest.
They never felt off skealtered, even on the Lions. Excuse me,
even when the Rams were struggling early on, like that
first drive that the Rams had the ball and didn't score,
they marched down and feel easily.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah, I went down to feel easily, Lodi. Boom, boom boom.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Here's a catch for DeVante, here's a catch for Puka,
here's a catch for They marched down and feel easy.
They missed the extra point or missed the field goal,
and then anyway, But every single drive, every single response
like they felt on point. They felt on part. They
didn't feel like they were panicking. Yes, you get the
interception by ad and Hudson. Yes, you had two sacks,
eight and a half a sack, and so the Lopez
or Lopez making some noise last two weeks, but you

(21:02):
had two sets. But you never Stafford didn't seem under
the rest. He didn't seem like he was struggling. He
had three sixty eight months like zero Goff had three
forty and some chains. It's just that part. I never
feel like the Lions cat had them at a point
where a panic of frenzy, a little bit of oh shoot,
these boys came to play.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Yeah, some of the crazy clowns that I looked at
the stats and golf actually did better than Stafford had
three tds and nine incompletions. Once again, I don't know
where the finger gets pointed. This is what happens when
the team loses. Who's to blame because we want to
look at one person when usually it's multiple people. So

(21:43):
we'll do that when we come back a quick time
out here on the Britlan Edwards show a lot of
football discussion to get to regarding the Lions and really
around the NFL, the problems that we continue to see
with high profile names going down. Will continue to talk
about that and a lot of other things. It is crazy,
isn't it. You're right about that? Cool? After this from

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I was doing some cardio, okay, sweating my ass off.

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There you go, not going very far like I probably
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I was trying to use railing as some incentive.

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But I don't want to blame one person because I
love football so much. But I love the fact that.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
It's a team sport.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
Yeah, but there's blatant weaknesses on this team.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
And when Roy Lopez is the only defensive tackle being mentioned,
that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Where is Alee McNeil, Where was Tyleek Williams? Where was
DJ Reader? Those are frustrations for me because I like
the guys in the middle. You know that, Okay, With
all due respect to Brailin, I enjoy watching the big
guys move the pile more than I do wide receivers

(29:08):
going down catching passes. It's the way I've always been
that bothered me. So that's number one and number two,
the same thing on the offensive side. I like the
big guys pushing the pile. I didn't see nearly enough.
But that's been an old hat. That's been an old
argument that we've had about this Lion's team all season long.
So I've almost accepted it, and I probably shouldn't. But

(29:30):
the defensive tackle position has to improve if they want
to win the last three games. Yeah, we'll have a conversation.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
And if you want to talk about the playoffs and
is it still available for the Lions, sure, and that's
not what this show is about today. But to answer
your question, yes, there is still a path for the
Lions to get to the playoffs, and because of injuries
Green Bay and all these other teams, there may even
be something that you can do. But just speaking on
what I see when I see them, it's the same
thing we've seen all your inconsistent play at the offensive
line and actually getting pushed back Yesterday was another one

(29:58):
of those examples. Necessarily get point at the point of attack.
They didn't get any ground, they didn't move any ground.
And on the opposite side too, with the defensive line,
they didn't make enough of make enough of a fuss,
and you allow these running back to be able to
get some morementum. And once the running backs get momentum
for the Rams, insert the passing game and you open
that up. Yeah, you try to figure out where's the blame.

(30:22):
I don't even like the term blame. I just noticed
some glaring, okay, and that's a better way to put it. Yeah,
one of the darn things is this secondary has not
been good as a whole. Talking about the dB position,
I'm not talking about your your all pro Kirby Joseph
and your one of my favorites, and Brian Brandt, who
actually hasn't necessarily been the best this year. But the
dB position, the ones that checked the wide receivers, it's

(30:43):
been bad for a very long time. Here with the
Detroit Lions, you drive Jeff o'cod at least Quintrica and
them did that didn't work out, and then Brad Holmes
as well as Dan cam will get rid of him,
and then they do a hodge podge of litany of
bringing in this dB or that dB to just make
it fit. And while we're trying to figure the team out,
man your mo that you paid him a couple of
times over, then you drive Tarryon Arnold. The Tarryon Arnold experience.

(31:04):
I don't think to be worked. I don't think it's worked.
I don't know if he's the dB you were looking for,
DJ Reed, I don't think he was the dB that
you were looking.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
What's the d When you say that, what's the dB
you're looking for? Can you explain that you need a
dB one right?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Like?

Speaker 7 (31:16):
You gotta have a dB one? And I feel like
the Lions are playing with a bunch of dbs. Are
the dB twos, dB three's, dB four's the leads of
whom like, you can't do this every time they play
against a quarterback that can pass the balls and receivers
that can play.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
One of these games happened, whether it was the.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
Playoffs in twenty twenty three, whether there's the playoffs in
twenty twenty four, whether it was last night. When you
play against these high powered offenses with these wide receivers
and quarterbacks and get the ball down and field, the
Lions tend to struggle because the defensive line also is
not as good. So if you're not gonna have a
dB one, I mean, you had Carlton Davis last year,
but I was told that he wasn't necessarily that good

(31:50):
of a dB. And you can get a price reduction
and getting DJ reed. He's pretty decent over there in
New York, excuse me, New England this year. But the
dB position, if you're not gonna get dB one somebody
that can cover these wide receivers for a period of time,
then you gotta have some defensive ends or defensive tackles
that can get to the ball and create some consistent rush.
When you don't have either, you have moments for the

(32:11):
quarterback and just sit there and figure out whinning where
he's gonna throw the ball. I think that's what you
saw in the second half of yesterday. Defense got tired
from being on that field, from the Lions going through
and out, and when they're on that field, those glaring
noted that it becomes even more and more noticeable. But
Talik Williams, I still go back to that was an
interesting draft pick because for someone that says I don't

(32:34):
draft for me, that's what you did in that moment
because you felt Alee McNeil was gonna be further down
the season.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
So now we get to league will Well, you'd say
if they were to draft for they were the draft
on the defensive end.

Speaker 8 (32:47):
My point is at okay, so.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
We've gone through this. I don't know who you would
have taken ahead of him. I'm not saying he's the
right pick. What you said at the beginning of this
season has stuck with me for a long time, and
that is I watch every Michigan football game.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
This is you, not me.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
I watch every Michigan football game, and I haven't. I
never noticed him. I didn't. That's a problem. Okay, that's
a serious issue. So I think if that's if that's
if that's a situation where you're not recognizing, you're not
noticing him, then obviously it was it was.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
A wrong player.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
I don't know what we look at, what statistics. I
know we always want this. I want this more than
you do. You use your eyes and your judgment on it.
I look at a lot of times. Is it supported
by numbers? Carlton David doesn't have a pick this year?
Does that matter? Probably not if you're not getting targeted
a lot. Has as many tackles this year as he
had last year, had two interceptions for the Lions last year.

(33:46):
I think you know DJ Read at the beginning of
the year, I thought.

Speaker 8 (33:48):
Was really good.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
Since he's come back from injury, I think he struggled,
and I don't know if that necessarily makes him a
dB one or a dB two. I feel duped a
little bit by Tyrian Arnold. I thought he'd be a
good player. I thought he'd be a cornerback one. He's not.
Have I seen enough of him to make that judgment,
Probably not quite honestly, But I trust your eyes more

(34:12):
than than I would my own. Somebody in the chat
and we got a couple of super chats that I
want to get to, but somebody in the chat had
mentioned about Brad Holmes's last two drafts good and and
and that's that's fair because two years ago, as it
was two years ago, was Arnold Rekestraw, Giovanni Manu Vaki,

(34:33):
who's been really good on special teams. I know that's
not what you're looking for a fourth round pick. Or
was he a fifth round pick? I can't remember. I
thought he was a fourth either. Either way, I don't
think you can judge this year. TYLERK Williams was has
not been the impact player you would have expected as
a first rounder. I think Tate Ratledge has been good

(34:54):
at times, but he's been bad at times. I mean,
that's that's what happens when you get young offensive line.
Tesla has not been targeted. So it is is that
a guy who you think has been a bust. Miles
Fraser was injured, but when he came back, he actually
played pretty well. I'm out of asinine a six round
draft pick, Okay, I don't. I'm hoping for special teams,

(35:16):
you know, for a guy like that. Dan Jackson, Dominic
love it whatever. I don't think you can judge them
just yet, but I think we're in the process of
probably judging last year's draft class, and it hasn't been good.

Speaker 7 (35:28):
I think we went in process of judge a little
bit more because things if you look at the last
two seasons, when things happen like this, like you'd have
to take a closer look. Whether it's take a closer
look at Dan Campbell because a lot of these games
this year was brought to my attention when I was
having a conversation in the back he said, a lot
of these games are one score games, Like, regardless of
how ugly they are, at one score games, well, you
know who one score games fall on, typically a coach.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Coach typically falls on the head coach.

Speaker 7 (35:49):
You're talking about one score games every game this year
for the Lions and lost with exception of the Chiefs game.
So one score game and it's to score with there
with some opportunities. So do you look at Dan Campbell
now that last year, well two years ago NFC Championship,
twelve wins, We know how that ended.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Last year fifteen wins.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
We know how the game in against the Commanders here
at for a Field, second round in the playoffs. Now
we're in the situations we're fighting to get to the playoffs.
Now we may not even be in the playoffs this season,
so technically that's a declination. Even though you won more
games last year, you got out faster, so you've been
on the decline now.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
For two years.

Speaker 7 (36:22):
So now that's the head coach as well as the
general managers because I have to now start looking at
moves in terms of a lot of those middle round picks,
that second to fourth round picks where you've tried some
moves and they just haven't hit, etc.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Etc.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
And then free agency and offseason all this starts to
come into play where you look at where the Lions
were to where the Lions are because this isn't the
season where we're going to talk about injuries just that.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
And the third, yeah, I could be way off base here.
I don't want to pop people's balloons.

Speaker 8 (36:49):
That's not fair.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
The one score games don't mean much to me, right, Sorry,
you see it in the league. Half the games are
one score games. I'll give you an example this past
week weekend, Atlanta Tampa was a one score game. San Diego,
Kansas City one score game, Buffalo, New England was a
one score game. Washington Giants was a one score game.
Denver Green Bay is a one score game, New Orleans,

(37:12):
Carolina is a one score game. Seattle, Indy well a
forty four year old quarterback, was a one score game,
and Minnesota Dallas was a one score game. That's eight
right there.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
And all sing of those, okay, with the exception of one,
was won by the best head coach, every single one
of those games, the best head coach, with the exception
of the New Orleans Saints, Like, that's the only one
where I'm like, all right, cool, you.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
Got me to I don't even I don't even know
you're right. But the other seven, the best coach I
might I might debate you on that. With Buffalo and
New England, I think I think Mike Vrabel's a really
good coach. Is Sean McDermott better than he is? It's
a great debate, Okay, Well, listenly they both have gone
as far as the same point.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
So if you want to call them equal, fine, the
guy with the better quarterback won that game.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Right, I give you that.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Yeah, But still those are equal ahead coaches in the
in the matter they both have been to the AFC Championship.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Is the furthest yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
Variable with the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
And then obviously my point is you've got eight games,
and by the way, we're not done. Tonight could be
a one score game. It's Miami at Pittsburgh. That could be.
I don't know, you know, it might be, but we're
talking about if that's what we're going to hang our
hat on. For a team that has won back to
back division titles, reached the NFC Championship Game and two
years ago set a franchise record for umber wins. Last

(38:31):
year and number of points and all these other things,
then I think we've lowered the bar and I'm not
willing to do that.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
They weren't any one score games though. There's a lot
of blowouts.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Yeah, there were a few blowouts.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:42):
Ut, yeah, no, I don't disagree with you.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Kool aid. You got some super chaps on man, go ahead, Yeah, yes, sir.
Shout out to the people for supporting the shows more. Yeah,
thank you for that, everybody. Yeah, definitely. And Randalls.

Speaker 14 (38:52):
Actually, you know what Greg Thomas for ann super chest.
He has the number one crown. He just says, Merry Christmas.
Stay positive. Shout to Greg.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
I love that. I love to stay positive, and that's
you know, I'll be honest with you. I mean, that's
that's more cama kool aid. I mean, you guys smiling,
and you guys are believing. I don't like being I
won't even call this negative, Braylan. I think we're more realistic.

Speaker 13 (39:18):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
I don't like necessarily being like that. But I can't
help it because they've given me nothing this year since
October fifth. That tells me they're gonna reel off three
in a row.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
You know what, I appreciate that I wanted to come today.
I didn't want to be the negative guy. I didn't
want to be the this, that, and third, that's why
I say, hey, look there's still an opportunity.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
You guys can make the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
The only problem is the fact that your conference has
the highest records and they're not even they're not even
the division leaders right now, like Seattle second place, eleven wins.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
San Francisco ten, third place, and then the Green.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
Bay Packers if they fall apart, they beat you twice
any a tie, which means to have two less loss
and two more wins. So it sucks in those spaces
like So that's the part that it's just annoying.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
But but and I don't mean to drag you down.
It's okay, It's okay. Here we go.

Speaker 7 (40:15):
You're watching Lions all season. We've come up here and
we felt like we've been a bit of real. Like
if you look at this conversation that we've had now
for four months, three and a half months, the Lions
have not put themselves in a situation to change the
conversations that we had over the weeks, like when I
came up here after the Vikings loss, after I came
up here after the Chiefs loss, after we came up
here two weeks ago, after the Sam Francis excuse me,

(40:36):
after the Thanksgiving Laws, and now after the Rams lost. Yeah,
it was almost a winnable game. Yeah, they played good
in the first half. But yet they've done a lot
of things that still fall into what they've been doing
all season long, which the Lions are a good team.
I think this is what you guys need to hear.
The Lions are a good NFL team. Problem is they're
not good enough right now. Yes, and that's the problem.
I can agree with that they're good. They're a good team.

(40:58):
Jerk got bought his ass off saying rob two games brow,
he's let you know why he is who he is.
Jamison Williams is getting better and better and better. Eight
and Huncheons showed up for you in a moment you
really needed them because that went from a miss field goal,
so it could have been a touchdown and now it's
like that the energy is gone, but instead you get
the interception, you get within the red zone, and you
gotta score a touchdown. Think you got to the seventeen.

(41:20):
So there's some really good things about them, but there's
just too much bad to overcome this season for me
to believe that even if they do find that thirty
two percent or the thirty one percent of whatever it
is to get in, yeah, that they're gonna do something
with it. Regardless of how I don't trust Sam Donald
or Michael Parsons is out or the forty nine ers,

(41:41):
they still are kind of decent.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Just Kata Kallams, who is gonna implode or something like that,
depending on what you look at. Next Gen Stats has
their playoff possibility at fifty percent. New York Times simulator
has them at forty one percent, and if they win
out there's at ninety four percent.

Speaker 8 (41:59):
And I'm not saying they can.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
I'm just saying they haven't given me a reason to
think that, And you're right. I think there's a difference
between a feel of last year and this year or
even two years ago, where even if they go on
the road, you're like, that team's dangerous. They're scary, right.
That unfair to say invincibility, But that assurance is no

(42:21):
longer there because they have struggled on the road, and
they have struggled containing certain types of teams or being
able to protect themselves against certain types of teams. He's
brought it up. The defensive lines for these teams scare
the hell out of you. So I think you could
be Pittsburgh. Minnesota scares me a little bit.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
I'm not gonna lie Lions fans and everybody who's just
waiting for the Lions to turn back into the team
from last year that went fifteen and two, or turned
back into the team from two years ago that went
twelve and five and got to NFC Championship.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
But what about you makes you think that this team
can do that?

Speaker 7 (42:59):
And then what about makes you think that this team
can get there and not only get there, but have
the type of success that gets you to the Super Bowl.
This isn't me talking stuff. This is me asking a
real question. Yeh, Because if the team that couldn't do
it two years ago in the NFC Championship, then the
team last year who was a better team than this
year with a better coordinator. If you do remember, although
you said he was busy, maybe that team couldn't get

(43:21):
it done last year because of injuries. Now this team
is trying to get to the playoffs. They're not even
in the playoffs, and you're telling me that this team
can do it. I just want to know what about
this team makes you think.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
That they can do it. Yeah, I haven't seen it,
and by the way, I think they'll be Pittsburgh. But
Pittsburgh comes calling with a guy who is eighteen and
eight all time against Detroit with fifty four touchdowns and
twelve picks in his career, even though it was with
a different team. Go ahead, cool A Yeah.

Speaker 14 (43:47):
I was just gonna say, as it relates to belief
in the team, I can understand this season at this
point saying that they haven't shown it. But the previous
two seasons, at least in the regular season, they have
overcome a lot of adversity. One games that people didn't
think that they would win whether people were there or not. No, no, no,
well the last two years, so this season this isn't then.

(44:09):
But coming into the season, you can't. I'm not gonna
doubt those guys. Yeah, would be the dumbest thing for
me to do is to see them effectively everything they
touched turned the cold. You come into the season, you're
gonna support that.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Yeah, you're right. You're talking to a guy who thought
they would played Buffalo in the Super Bowl, and Brailin
thought they'd at least get to the NFC Championship game.
He just didn't think they would get to the super Bowl.
I thought they would, and I thought they had the
talent to do that. But you've got to admit, if
they're supposed to adjust during the game, you and I
can adjust during the season.

Speaker 14 (44:40):
And that's what I'm saying this season though to this point, yes,
it's definitely wanned in terms of that. Just I'm gonna
give them the benefit of the doubt for what they've
you know, previously accomplished. Now at this point in the
season is one where you're looking at they're not able
to have that same magic that they used to have
where before they seem like nothing could have affect them. Well, now,

(45:01):
whatever that bug that's bitting them in the playoffs, it
seems like it's now biting them in the regular season.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
That part of that magic is third down for the offense.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
And we've talked about it a lot last year forty
six percent, the year before that, forty two percent, Like
that's what the line. Even the year before that. In
twenty twenty two, when it started to get good, they
were up to forty one percent. That's what the Lions
were really good at yesterday. Yesterday, thirty first downs for
the Rams. Yeah, twenty one first down for the Lions.
A lot of first downs, but it's not enough. It's
nine more opportunities for the Los Angeles Rams. And then

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the Lions yesterday, what were they at five or fourteen? Yeah,
now they were two for two on fourth down, five
for fourteen on third down. Those third downs are pivot
till we have talked about them all year. Also, we've
talked about third quarter. I've come on this show because
I've always paid attention a lot of donuts in the
third quarter, which also comes down to coaching, Like when

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you have a consistent donut in the third quarter. There's
something that's not taking place for the Detroit Lions at
halftime that is taking place for the good teams that
they're playing. I don't care about the bum team. I
don't care about the Giants or the Cowboys, or the
Cleveland Browns or the Bengals, the good teams. There's something
that happening at halftime where you guys aren't able to
come out and make the adjustments that they do. Don't

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tell me that halftime adjustments aren't a real thing. I
disagree absolutely, But.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
I think it's a real thing too. But I think
you're making adjustments throughout the game. But I think the
halftime very true.

Speaker 14 (46:27):
It's a reversal from last year because they would come
out of the halftime and Jared Golf was on several
different interviews saying, oh, no, we figured out what they
were doing. You know, they were like, oh, what slowed
you guys down the halftime? What causes exposure in the
third quarter? Oh, we figured out what they were doing
to us. And so it's like, I'm not hearing them
say that as much instead because they can't say.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
More like, oh man, we got to figure this out.
It's all correctable.

Speaker 14 (46:51):
Those are more or less the things that we're hearing
this year, as in the past they were solving these things.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
It's gonna be a interesting offseason. I know we're at
the offseason yet, and I'm not trying.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
To get there trying to wrestle just say, mic draft season.
I'm not trying.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
I'm not trying to do the Mick Draft. Somebody sent
the Mick Draft in the group chat and I was
at too soon.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
Yeah, it's way too soon, but you can it is
worth at least thinking about it because the pressure that
this team is under for the next three weeks.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
Not even not even just in terms of what they'll do,
who they'll get, how will they draft, how it's named
about that, it's just what will the energy be Because
for the last three years, for the last three years,
and partially rightfully so, Brad Holmes's trolled us. Brad Holmes

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told us we're okay, Brad Holmes said, we got this
thing cooking with grease, and Dan Campbell said the very same,
like for three years. And so when you have these moments,
it's like, you know what, I can't really ask so
many questions. I can't really say too much because there
is a level of success. They have done something that
the former Lion regimes, none of them put together, had done.
So you had to give a lot of that respect.

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But at the end of this, I feel like some
of those questions that people ask, some of those inquiries,
you know what, now they might be a little bit different,
but a little bit humble.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Yeah, I would say this. I think there's going to
come a point in time, and I hope it soon
that no longer are we comparing this Lions team to
pass Lions team. I like that instead of comparing them
to past great teams or very good teams, and I
don't mean Lions compare. Instead of comparing them to the
Lions of nineteen ninety eight, let's compare them to the

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Denver Broncos this year. Let's compare them to the Green
Bay Packers this year. Let's compare them to the La
Rams this year. That's what we should be talking about.
I love the fact that for the first time in
my lifetime, I get a chance to watch a team
that is considered a very good football team and over
the last three years, one of the better teams in

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the NFC. But I think there comes a point in
time where we stop talking about comparing the Lions to
pass Lions teams when they were coached by rod Ellie
and talk to people about this team being compared to
the teams that are considered really good.

Speaker 7 (49:06):
Now, yeah, so where does where did the Lions this
year different from the Denver Broncos of this year or
the Greenaby Packers of this year who they lost to twice?

Speaker 6 (49:15):
Where's that comparison because they don't compare it to them.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Right, They don't compare to them on defense, that's for sure. Okay, Yeah,
defense first and foremost. I mean bo Nicks has been
sacked quite a bit. Jared Goff is on pace to
be sacked most in his career. Denver's offense I had
in question yesterday it was damn good. Okay. I mean
that team's fifteen and two. You don't win eleven in

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a row just by winning on defense. They've done some things.
Bon Knicks put and put up great numbers three zero three,
but he had four tds. He gives you a little
bit of something. I'm not saying they're gonna win the ANFC.
I'm just I'm just talking about in general. And then
some people might say and somebody said this to me yesterday. Okay, Buffalo,
and I'm like, good one because they don't have of

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the elite receivers. Braylan has talked about Josh Allen a
lot of times is scrambling for his life and their
defense gets run up hot. Cincinnati did that a couple
of weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
True, they got the number one rusher in the NFL
and they also have the best quarterback currently in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
Like, that's what helps them model situations.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Right.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
They over No, I don't like it.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
I don't like Buffalo. Yeah, but I've always been honest.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
Josh Allen is a player, and when you have the
number one rush attack in the NFL, it helps Josh
be able to sustain drafts because they don't.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Have to go away from the run. He was unbelievable yesterday.
Another super Chat.

Speaker 14 (50:38):
Yes sir, Yes sir, And again if you haven't got
an opportunity to going ahead and smash that like button
Randall Small's as Shantatar got Randall Small's five dollars super
Chat number two crowd right now since I saw the
same bron and JMO doing a crossing route complete to
JMO and the replay show both were open, why not
run till they stop it?

Speaker 5 (50:58):
So he's wondering why did they stop effectively one of
the players that were working.

Speaker 7 (51:03):
I don't know, and that's why I said it comes
out of coaching. I'm not a head coach in the NFL,
you know, and I never claimed to be in, nor
do I ever want.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
He might think I was smart at them.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
So could it be the different defense that they see?

Speaker 7 (51:13):
It showed Jared go off some different looks. Yeah, and
he showed him some different looks made him think some
things there. I know they dropped some people in coverage,
you know. I tell you that story all the time
about how ray Lewis acted like it was it was
blitz and then he didn't.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
He pulled out and he knocked me out.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
I thought it was gonna be a Blitzer showed the
offense things like that because the quarterbacks do through like
it was gonna be man to man.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
So he fooled him comparently. I think that's some of
the things that you saw yesterday.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Yeah. I think that happens at the lower levels a lot.
I could be wrong here, so correct me. But lower levels,
it's like you're gonna keep running this until they stop them, okay,
USC student body right, Charles White, student body right, Marcus
Sound student body right. O. J. Simpson, Well, guess what
in the NFL there's showing you so many different looks.
I don't think it's necessarily well, just keep running dig

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routes to Sam Laporter, keep running crossing routes to Jamison
Williams when they're throwing different defenses at you.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
And that was the player that I was talking about,
and we were talking off Aaron, I said, the player
that again showed up that you can notice that he
was not there Sam Laporter, Like, tight ends are very,
very valuable to a certain extent, almost as value as
wide receiver in this day and age and this carent age.
I mean, you had six of them in the top
twenty in terms of yards and catches in the whole

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nine yards. Not having Sam Laport out there. I know
it's been an old injury. This isn't anything new yesterday
you could.

Speaker 14 (52:36):
I mean, going back to our conversation on that when
he first was out that first game, we talked about it.
We had a whole segment on what's the first quarter
offense going to look like? With Al Sam Reporter because
Jared Goff had gotten so comfortable with him over our
span of weeks with and we and I remember, Brad,
you talked about we got other tight ends that can
do things, but they're not necessarily the pass catcher and

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the playmaker, which is different than that Sam Laporter is in.
They are missing. He was catching touchdowns, he was the outlet,
safety valve. And now it seems like if there's anything
over the middle, it has nothing to do with a
tight end anymore. And I wonder how much that's changing
the types of defenses there. But thought us when you
can't necessarily spread them out with a bunch of people

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that they think, you know what, Hey, we got to
respect everybody across that the receiving core and then oops,
there Sam Report if you forget about him.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Jared Goff sat at luncheon. So I feel like in
over these next dudes, they've got people, They've got people
we've never heard of that tight end, Anthony Frisker, Giovanni Ricci,
Like I've heard of Giovanni Manu, but I've never heard
of Giovanni Ricci.

Speaker 8 (53:44):
And he got a penalty, by the way, on a key.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Key penalty. I literally saw that I'm like, wait a minute.
The last Ricci I can recall was Mike Riachie playing hockey.
Never heard of this, dude.

Speaker 14 (53:56):
I thought they had depth that tight end, and now
they're at this point when Sam report A just went down,
I thought, okay, we have a little depth from rock
right off.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Yah right that is actually hurt that right away, right away.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Their tight ends and their players, their tight ends that
you just put in the run plays, and their tight
ends that you designed plays for. Sam Laporta is a
design play guy, like you'll design plays for Sam Reporter
because he's that good. He's a really good tight end,
good pass receiving, understand has the sept off you will
uh sizeably and creates a lot of mismatches for linebackers
and undersized safety. So like he is a damn good

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tight end, you create plays for him. And they haven't
had that. And yesterday as one of those days to
show because they legitimately were rocket fired with Jamo Way
Mo and uh and excuse me and Saint Brown. But
then once they made their halftime Ajuman, once they realized
they're going two spots, like Jared Golf was looking in
two places the whole game because he figured out zero.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
He figured out zero wasn't in the second quarter. It's like,
well fourteen and not and as much as and you're
to your point, Shane zild start, you're playing Riccie and
you're you're getting guys there. They're not the same past
catching tight ends as Sam Laporta, nor do they block
as well.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
And it goes deeper than that, all right, or super chats.

Speaker 6 (55:14):
Where does depth come?

Speaker 15 (55:15):
Right?

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Depth comes from the draft?

Speaker 8 (55:17):
Anybody know where Sheen Ziltra went to school?

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Anybody not that that matter. Minnesota State, Okay, I was,
I had State Park, he had the state part right, yea,
Craig T. Nelson coaching them.

Speaker 14 (55:29):
Just Ta Grip just just really quickly says Golf doesn't
even look at the tight ends anymore.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
But uh, you know, and that's that's been real. Like
now that I'm thinking about it, there's no.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
Trust Like Jared Golf doesn't trust anybody on that on
that offensive skills set group. He doesn't trust anybody except
those three. And they took Jamior Gibbs away. So now
he has two guys he trusts. He trusts Jamo and
that has been that has been built over the last
four or five weeks and obviously Saint Brown, which they
built that for four years.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
He doesn't trust anybody.

Speaker 7 (55:58):
You've got When you don't trust anybody and you can't
run the ball, when you're not helping his trust out,
that's what you get your The second half of that
game yesterday is what you get when you have trust
in two players and you can't run the ball.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
You've got guys on this team where you could play
the game. We used to play this at the old
radio station I used to work at. I'm gonna give
you a name, and you tell me, are they an
NFL player or are they a restaurant owner? Ready? Giovanni reached,
that's what it would be. You know he's wrong there.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
Sounded like a great Italian.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
Yeah, they sound like really good Italian.

Speaker 7 (56:31):
A photos a picture together to make that make sense
in terms of just the trust. Like the best catch
of the game yesterday, Like the best catch of the
game yesterday is obviously.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
With Pooga did the sign that we could talk about.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
That one too, That was the best catch of the game. Oh,
I didn't mean to steal your thunder. I thought you
were going lions.

Speaker 7 (56:51):
No no, no, no, no, no no, I don't care
you stole the we was the best catching, Like Jared
Golf was like, I know I have all these other weapons,
but I'm gonna throw this pass lo as hell side
lo sail on the sideline before the sticks. I mean,
I'm gonaw you know to the probably a too too,
which you got for me, and then he makes an
unbelievable cach. Yes, but that's what I'm talking about, Like

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that's even Khalif Raymond comes in and sting.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
And Golf's like, I'm not so sure about I throw
it to you once, but I don't know about this.
Somebody in our group, Jet said, why wouldn't you challenge that?
I'm like, you don't challenge it because it was a catch,
and it was clearly a catch. You don't want to
lose a time out, which we did earlier did earlier.

Speaker 7 (57:36):
This goes back to some of the things, the situational
football things with Dan Campbell that came up early on
in his career, and you hope that he had taken
strides from twenty two to twenty three to twenty four
to twenty five, which were in it seems like you
had little players like that little case.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
I'm not making an excuse. Want your thoughts on this.
It's it's hard to play call and be a head
coach at the same time, especially if you haven't done
it all. Sean McVay is used to it. Kyle shanahan's
used to it. Mike McDaniels used to it. Sorry, but
you understand it, right, those guys, you're used to it.
Dan Campbell's not. Is that part of it?

Speaker 7 (58:11):
Do you think that's why the higher of Johnny Morton
is so egregious when in this standpoint you just went
with him because, oh, we'll go in that in house.
Stuff in house will get you in trouble because he
was in house, right, he was in the house.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
In twenty twenty two.

Speaker 7 (58:30):
Some form of familiarity would bring you back some of
the things works that's important today the groundwork times it's not.
It's not that important. Sometimes it's not because now Dan
Campbell is still trying to figure out how to be
the offensive coordinator and then be the head coach making
sure when the defense is starting to fall apart in
the second half. What conversations to have with Kelvin Sheppard,

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how to motivate guys, how to do it when the
run game isn't working? Being over to get with the
offensive line?

Speaker 6 (58:56):
Your hank?

Speaker 5 (58:56):
What's going on? Like you got to do all that?

Speaker 7 (58:58):
Oh, by the way, be a head coach, by the way,
challenge plays? Oh but oh shoot, did he get it?
Did he not get when you're not ready for that
and you're trying to learn the f that's tough?

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Can I just us I agree one hundred percent with you,
But can I just add this? If that's the case,
and I believe it to be the case, what the
hell is he still doing up in the booth? Why
is John Morton and the gut trying to send him
to the places? Shouldn't shouldn't he be No, seriously, shouldn't

(59:28):
he be on the field, on the sideline to where
he can at least be the go between between what's
he looking at? What difference does this make? I really
need to know this. He should be on the sideline
where most ocs are, by the way, in the first place.
But even though he's not calling the place he should
be on just so we could talk to his players
if nothing else, Campbell can't do that. He can't talk

(59:49):
to his guys because he's too busy doing the other
things as a head coach, I don't understand it. I
don't understand why he's up in the booth. It makes
no sense to me. Fix it because at the end
of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
If you're comfortable off there, what is.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
He going to be down on the sideline doing well?

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
You can talk to your players and get it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
Nobody, if nobody ever bought into what John Morton is,
if there's more to the scene, like maybe they just
didn't fire him because they don't want to embarrass him,
but they know that he's not the guy for the job.
So him down there on the sideline, you know, in
Jared Gof's eir, excuse me, get out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Of my ear. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I got it, I got it.

Speaker 14 (01:00:28):
I kind of feel that obvious. I kind of feelself though, man,
because it's almost like down man and he's just all
hands on deck. Yeah, And I get It's like if
he's in the arena, I get exactly what she is saying,
especially with the season hanging in the balance, Like it
hit me different when he's like, yo, he could at
least be down there talking to the players.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Then you talk, you go back to j moo talking
about how he had certain.

Speaker 14 (01:00:51):
Successes in the playoffs and it was because of people
like Teddy Bridgewater in his ear like.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
John Morton said that training camp, remember or no earlier
this season, I failed him the communication, all these other things.
I mean, at least give me a Seinfeld a lame moment.
I faked it, Okay, fake it, just fake it for us.
I don't think it's doing him any good beating up there.
It just doesn't make any sense any more. Super chests

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before we hit a break. Oh yeah, yeah, we got
a lot of super chests. Lisa read this.

Speaker 14 (01:01:21):
Next one man from a let me see here, Fraser,
he's he's kind of upset right now.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
Nine super chests.

Speaker 14 (01:01:29):
He said, stop drafting injured players when we are the
most injured team for the last two years.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
I agreed in twenty two, twenty three, twenty four when
they were still on that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
I don't know where it is now. I definitely agree
with that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
But just to getting back to the draft, the draft
is gonna that whole process, Brad Holme is gonna be
a lot different after the season.

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
It's gonna be, yeah, I would think so it has
to the injured. I think there's a little bit of
a misnomer here. Penny Sewell was injured at Oregon, took
the last year of his COVID year, so that's not
where he was injured. He was injured before that. He
had a bad ankle and missed a lot of games
wall at Oregon. But I'm glad they drafted him.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
I think there's certain injuries. I get what he's saying.
There's certain injuries like Shell.

Speaker 7 (01:02:16):
You you found a great area because you get very
good at this, but messing with an ankle and things
like that, it's different than when you get talking about
acls and MCLs and pcls and achilles like Brad has
drafted you know more than four players that have had
major injuries.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
How many times were you injured at Michigan. None? None.
That's unique and.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
I thank God every day for that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
Like when I went to the combine, one of the
longest days is the hospital on X ray Day. That's
the day they sent everybody to the hospital and you
got to get all the X rays, anything that's come
across the injury report in your service. In college, they
want X rays on because they're about to spend money
on you. They want to see what it is. I
legitimately had no X rays when I was at Michigan,

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and yeah, one I just had a labor room spraying
that I kind of like was like he.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Never always played through it. And yet what year did
you injure your knee? Rookie year?

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
That's as Rookieeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
So like I say this about I know it's it's
You're probably right. It's probably a gray areas.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
It's on me.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
Somebody said this to me earlier this year, you know,
like Miles Fraser, my brother in law said this. I said,
hold on, Miles Fraser wasn't injured at LSU. He mean
fifty starts? Yeah, okay, that's unique for an offensive lineman
to make that many starts. He got injured. He drafted
a player who got injured. If you're drafting players who
already are injured or have had injuries, I think it
depends on the injury. So I'm gonna agree with you

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in that regard.

Speaker 7 (01:03:42):
Because she, to be honest, one of the best performances
yesterday was an injured player.

Speaker 6 (01:03:48):
Jama.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Yeah, that's right, excellent point seven rocks a touchdown well
over one hundred yards. It's gonna be you know over
a thousand yards again this year, had a thousand yards
last year. I think it depends on the injury. But
I understand the frustration. But I do believe we fall
into traps in sports, and that is okay, he drafts

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injured players, then boom, there's the label careful.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Okay? Was was it?

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Helped me with this because I could be wrong. Was
Enis Rakestra injured at Missouri?

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
I don't know what he did in Missouri?

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Yeah, neither do I I love that that could be.
That could be a that could be a bad pick.
Even iough I wasn't injured, it can still be a
bad pick. But he's been an injured player, right, so
I'll have to check on that. So my apologies. I
don't know that right off the rip.

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
Yeah too, I think too with the injury situation, like
there's a difference of draft and the injured player versus
taking a risk on.

Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
An injured player.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
Yes, I think when you're talking at second to fourth
round pick or even first round picking, you're talking about
a guy that may not have been that good but
that got injured and.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
You're hoping is something more than what he is. Jameis
and Williams.

Speaker 7 (01:04:57):
Like in the National Championship Game in twenty twenty two
Georgia versus Alabama, Georgian ends up winning the Alabama was
winning that game, and it was because James Willis was
the best player on that field. So when you're moving
up twenty picks to take him, I or you're let's
say when you're drafting now, moving up twenty maybe where
you can get into it, but drafting him, I don't
see a problem with drafting him at all because you

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saw what that talent level was.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Like, No, it's something special here. I don't mind taking
that chance.

Speaker 7 (01:05:22):
But when you're talking about drafting a pascal and second
round in Kentucky out of injury, like this is a
very pivotal pick, I don't know if I want to
make it on you. Or you're talking hinder Hooker another
third round pick with the guy towards ACL, it's like, eh,
I don't know about that. Those picks we don't need anymore.

Speaker 14 (01:05:38):
And then this Rake Straw I got it for you
twenty twenty one, twenty ACL, twenty twenty three, Coremost Injury
Sports ONDI you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
Remember twenty twenty two he came back and he started
thirteen games.

Speaker 14 (01:05:49):
Yep, So that always begs the question he did have
a core injury right before that draft.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
He got better kind of right before. Okay, so ten
starts as a freshman, saw more, he gets injured. The
next year, he plays thirteen games. In the following year,
he played nine of the twelve. Okay, No, I don't so,
I don't know how you tab that. So would you
never draft a player who was injured his sophomore year
but ended up playing the majority of games the next
two years? Those are the good debates. Now, should he

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have been drafted, It's sure as hell don't look like
it because he don't look like a very good player. Okay,
But the injury thing, Oh, you drafted an injured player.
There's you And I have said this before Adrian Peterson.
How many people would have drafted him based on injury?
That's all I'm saying. You would have? I probably wouldn't have,
and I would have been dead wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:06:37):
I saw him go for nineteen hundred as a freshman.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Yeah, yeah, but then he injured his knee. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
But it's the same thing with Jamo. I saw in
a national championship game. I was like, he's a damn
good player. Yeah, aj PM like a damn good player.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
Yeah. My point is the thought, don't draft injured players. Okay,
then take certain guys out. Then Drew Brees, you're out.
But this is the thing, Peterson, you're out. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:58):
But and that's why I say it's a gray area
because it's guys that I know, I know I have, but.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
You're different, so you can't. You can't say that as
a fan. Okay. The fans are saying a blanket statement,
don't draft injured.

Speaker 16 (01:07:12):
Players, and I'm changing it, aren't they That's funny, Okay.
Another super chatant to make sure.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Yeah, definitely. Man the people man, I keeps sitting the minute.
And I love this, uh Natalie.

Speaker 14 (01:07:28):
I like this one from Natalie and a super chat
number three Crown feels like Tim Patrick would have helped
if we still had them. It was all Saint Brown
and jam O yesterday. And I loved this last part.
While you're at a TP if you're not targeting Tesla
at all.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
Thank you, thank thank you, shout out Natalie.

Speaker 7 (01:07:50):
That was that was what I said, because it just
gets back to the conversation and we said, this is
actually a very good comment. The conversation that I made
today was trust Jared Goff, trust and his players. He
only threw it to two people yesterday. He's only two
people he trust in this situation. He didn't want to
throw it to anybody else. He trusted Tim Patrick, and
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third and long, especially also two in the red zone.
That's where he trusted him the most. So trust is
a big thing. And you you spent some spent some
draft capital and went and got a guy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
That Golf tells us he trusts him, but he doesn't act.

Speaker 7 (01:08:25):
Campbell doesn't something whenever he talks about Tesla the conversation
and he's like, oh, you know, he's we got, we're
gonna get him there. He's made some plays, but we're
still coming along. And that means it's not there.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a problem. That for what it's worth,
what it's worth, and it's not the same offense, and
it's not the same quarterback. Tim Patrick only has thirteen
catches this year. That's it. Okay, he's not made a
massive difference for Carolina. But but again, oh yeah, I
know I'm saying it's not the same offense. It's not
the same quarterback thirty three catches last year. That's fine

(01:09:00):
with that, right, But I don't mind. I just wish
they would target to slow more and I'd love to
know the deep down rooted answer why they don't. Somebody
had sent in a super chat and said, this is
off topic, but how about Tom Brady for Michigan coach? Yeah,
big back for life, let's set that in. Yeah, thank
you for that. Tom Brady signed a ten year, three
hundred and seventy five million dollar contract with Fox. Would

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your realm and go sit in a booth, eat some
crappy media food, but have some fun with your TV
partners with very little pressure, knowing that you get ten years,
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With Oh, by the way, you're you're part owner of
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Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
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Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
He brought out the Patriots man, you're talking about the
Travion Henderson run. Two great runs. Notice the second run.
Second run was the only offense that they had pretty
much in the second half. That's because Sam McDermott said,
the hell with this, We're sitting everything, including the kitchen sink.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
They blitched, They blitched.

Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
Young Drake made a whole second half and you can
see he was under the rest and it looked a
little bit different than early on the year when you're
winning against the Cleveland Browns and teams like that, And
the Trevion Henderson run it's like a reverse fields, like
a K nine run from the Michigan State Michigan. Yeah,
everybody blitched this way. He was able to funnel it
this way, and then everybody over pursued and he went
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out of Drake Man in the second half.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Which team scores more points in the fourth quarter than
any other team in the NFL? Broncos Buffalo, Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (01:18:45):
I'm tripping You're right, Buffalo Buffalo does.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
And I only got that from the TV broadcast. All right,
So I'm not sitting there doing this deep dive research.
But they do it more than anybody.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
That's why I don't trust them to win it all.

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
Yeah, because they're relying on the second half heroic and
just the second half of the team in general. And
we'll come from behind team, and they've been. This is
the very game of the season against the Baltimore Ravens.
They came back in the fourth quarter to win that game.
At some point, you play a team that is better
and it doesn't work. I don't know if that's the
Broncos or if it's in third team here.

Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
But I think it's the right word. Trust. I don't
know who I trust, to be honest with you, outside
of maybe the Rams. I picked green Bay over Denver
yesterday because I trusted green Bay more than I trusted Denver.
I was wrong. Seattle should have lost to the Colts.
For Philip Rivers is forty four years old. He's got

(01:19:39):
a bit of a belly because of the beers he's
been drinking on a Friday night after the high school game,
and he's out there. No, he only threw for one
hundred and twenty yards, but he made some pretty good place,
got it to the right guys. Jonathan Taylor does most
of the word, but he still has to read it
and so on and so forth. So that Packer is
good breaking news.

Speaker 7 (01:19:57):
The Packers were the right car like everybody's is. And
the Broncos there is respect there. I have a lot
of respect for them. They won eleven fifteen at the eleven,
at the Crib fifteen, et cetera. The whole run that
they've been on, they played great, complimentary football offense and defense.
And there the coach aspect that you asked, it was
twenty three to fourteen before Michael Parsons got hurt. Yeah,

(01:20:17):
Michaeh Parson's got hurt. And although they had not given
up a saquay, he still was playing. The pressures were there,
throwing on the run, moving him off his box like
that was there. It was twenty three to fourteen. Micah
gets hurt, pressure changes. They instantly scored that same drive
after Michaeh got hurt, and then you start to pour
it on.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
So I was just saying you made the right call.

Speaker 7 (01:20:37):
Until one of the moo's obstructive players in the league
gets hurt, it looks loot.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
So there's a few things. I mean, we could keep
taking super chats in the chest. Please feed the Lions information,
but I always like talking football in general. So Miles
Garrett gets a tackle for walls. It was actually a fumble.
Otherwise he would have set the record.

Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
He'll shut it next week. There's no question that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:00):
Glad he wasn't injured. Okay, so he came up lay
him a couple of times yesterday. It's looked like a
hip pointer or something.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
Well, I glad he was good. I think he's a
first of all, I really like him as an individual,
and sometimes I let that cloud my judgment with players.
I like guys who represent the league the right way,
the shield. I like guys who represent their name and
represent you know, their team. Could he could play on
my team any day of.

Speaker 8 (01:21:24):
The week, Let's put it that way. You know, not
for that kind of money, but you understand my point.

Speaker 5 (01:21:29):
Who they play next? He's gonna set the record for
most sex in a single season. It's Buffalo. Maybe he won't,
but I would guess he would. So that was one
thing I.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
Love the fact that people can adapt their feelings.

Speaker 7 (01:21:40):
I guarantee if i'd ask you about Miles Garrett after
twenty eighteen, he couldn't have played on your team. And
that was when he pulled the helmet off and swung
it at Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
Yeah, look that I don't know if that would cancel
him from somebody being on my team. Emotions get the best.
Brian Branch could play on my team. And look at
what he's done the last couple of years, you know,
Diego pavia No a guy like Miles Garrett. Yes, because
he's done it. I mean he's walked the walk. But
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(01:22:10):
feel about him here, Okay, I get it all right.
I'm not a huge fan of his wife either, but
I do like him. Maybe too many State farm commercials whatever,
So Patrick Mahomes felt bad, Micah Parsons felt bad. Of course,
Malik Neighbor's earlier in the season. I think the other
thing to take note of is that Jackson Dart is
a guy. How many games has he played? Like ten,

(01:22:32):
He's had a concussion in like half the games he's played.

Speaker 7 (01:22:34):
He stays and then they call him blue tint Dart. Well,
he stays in that blue tint. Yeah, he stays in
that blue tent. And that's going to be a long
term issue if he keeps jumping or diving forward like
JJ McCarthy does too.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
I'm glad you bought that up.

Speaker 7 (01:22:48):
I want to have that conversation, and that conversation was
about Jackson Dart and the whole thing was he got
that huge hit whoever they playing, he got knocked out
on the sideline, I can't remember. Then he goes into
the blue ten, he comes back, and then he says
after the game, he said, hey, I've been playing the
style of football my whole life. This style of football
got to be here, and a lot of people support

(01:23:08):
it and say, hey, you want your guy to be
like this. You want you got to stand up and say, hey, look,
this is the type of ball I play. I play fearless,
I play aggressive. It's worked for me at this point.
This is who I am. No, you don't, because when
you were doing that before, you weren't a potential two
hundred and fifty million dollars quarterback. You know, you want
a first five pick for your team type guy like
now you are. You can't play like that and operate

(01:23:30):
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
It does not.

Speaker 7 (01:23:32):
Last long if you continue to play with reckless abandonment.
You can play and run and scramble and do those things,
but you gotta be smart. Russell Wilson, he legitimately scrambled
for a very long time and he didn't take those
type of hits, and he.

Speaker 5 (01:23:45):
Was a better runner. Russell Wilson when he was in
Seattle in his prime, he was a better runner. Yeah,
Jackson Art.

Speaker 7 (01:23:51):
I'm just saying that there's quarterbacks that run and don't
take those shots, and there's quarterbacks that do. Be more
like Russell Wilson, less like Cam Newton.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's okay to run out of bounds
once in a while. And anyway, he's six six, Yeah
he's different. Yeah, he's Jazz Allen.

Speaker 8 (01:24:07):
Yeah, he's an absolute freak.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
Yeah. So anyway, I wanted to get your thoughts on
that Patrick Mahomes will Kansas City's out of the playoffs
for the first time since twenty fourteen, nine ten years, Okay,
and what Andy Reid has done there, what Patrick Mahomes
has done there, it's been simply amazing. I don't know
what it means for them next year. He's going to

(01:24:29):
have to miss at least part of the season, Okay,
with his injury because they say it's an eight month recovery.
You would know better than I would, but I don't think.
And it could be the end of an era, but
it really was. Even though you got tired of them
because they're not your franchise. It really was pretty special
what they've been able to do. No.

Speaker 7 (01:24:50):
I loved especially, and it was a lot more fun
than Washington and Patriots Dynasty and what they did. I
think this one looked a little bit different, like the players,
more was more individuality around it. It was a lot
of fun. It was offense, you know, it was a lot.
It was a lot of fun. I don't think it's
the end of an era. I just think they have
to switch it up now. I think they'll go through
a period maybe twenty twenty six and where they're finding
out how to move this team and move it around.

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He'll be fine with the ACL.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
He'll come back.

Speaker 7 (01:25:15):
I tore my ACL December fourth of two thousand and five,
and I literally started the season on September eleventh in
two thousand and six.

Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
So he'll be back. He'll be fine.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
He'll wear knee braids, the special sauce, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
He'll be good.

Speaker 7 (01:25:27):
Problem is, when you're paying people five hundred million dollars
and we got so much money tied up in a
couple of positions, He's say at the end, it catches
up at the end, you can't pay everybody, and you
start to work around when you're paying Chris Jones this money,
left Tackle, this money, Travis Kelcey as well as McDuffie.

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
This is the four people getting paid.

Speaker 16 (01:25:44):
And there's a lot of money in Hawaiian situation too,
brit And that's coming out of pipeline.

Speaker 7 (01:25:48):
So when you don't win last year, when you don't
win in the San Francisco, when you now may not
make the playoffs, it's when it hurts because a lot
of people have to get paid. A lot of people
are getting paid, and that's what you're you're seeing. You're
seeing two things for the Chiefs. People are having to
get paid and they're not being a lot of money.
Also a lot of wear and tear. Guys are older.

(01:26:08):
You've been running nine years in a row. You've been
playing in the super Bowl. That's what how many games
that's on average you're playing twenty games a year and
that adds up, It adds up on the body.

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
You see.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
Travis Kelcey. Travis Kelcey after the loss last week, not
even this week. He's on the podcast You Saw That Camp.
He's on the podcast with Jason kelce I just don't
know what's happened.

Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
I'm not the same. I can't get here, I can't
get that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:33):
Yeah, it's called age, it's called experience. It's called being
banged up, it's called being in the playoffs, getting to
February every year for nine years. You had the money
and you had the physicality, their need of a break.
At some point, you've got to every team.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
This is why I think there's so much angst when
it comes to Lions fans, because we'll use the phrase
that I hate to use, but we'll use the window phrase. Okay,
because you saw into city who did they end up
losing Tyreek Hill?

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:27:03):
You saw a team like San Francisco lose Deebo Samuel. Right,
So when you lose certain key guys and big name
players and big time contributors, do you believe in your
front office to fill that void? And in those places?
Obviously they did him for good reason, and then you
miss and then sometimes you.

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
Miss back in the draft like they they they as
soon as they got rid of Tyreek Hill, or they
weren't allowed to pay him, so he went on to Miami.

Speaker 6 (01:27:32):
Now you drave sky Moore, Hey, here's our answer.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
It's sky Moore right from Western Michigan exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
That didn't work out. Then it's you know, Xavier.

Speaker 7 (01:27:40):
Then it's it's just a long list of wide receivers
that you're trying to replace the speed of Tyreek Hill.
He just wasn't a fast receiver. He also was a
damn good receiver too, and when you're doing that, so
sometimes you miss.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
And also a leader, and they had to go through coordinators,
by the way, because Eric the enemy was a hell
of a coordinator. Should have gotten more of a look.
You would think it as a head coach somewhere. But
he was a really important piece to their success and struggle.

Speaker 8 (01:28:04):
They moved on without him.

Speaker 7 (01:28:06):
He struggled in Washington. He was in Washington a year
before what's the name Clip Kingsbury got there. He was
there and just didn't look good. It was the quarterback
guy from my North Carolina. Heinekee, Heinikey and Sam Howe.

Speaker 8 (01:28:19):
Yeah, Sam Howell?

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
Right, any more super chests before we hit a break
and come on back. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. Let's see he.

Speaker 14 (01:28:28):
One from Randall small, so he sent in another one.
He has that number one crown right now, Fire down
a super chest. If you lose a weapon, you changed
no reporter, then run two backs. So he's looking for
what's the offensive solution with some.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
Report he wants more Montgomery and give more two back sets, right,
so he would probably more like.

Speaker 8 (01:28:48):
Twenty one personnel, right, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:54):
Twelve person Yeah. I think you'll see it this week.
I think this past week against the Rams, I think
they were just I think they were scared in terms
of I don't know if it's factual, if it's right,
but I think in terms of them being able to
pass like they do, them being able to score like
they do and not make mistakes. I think they try
to stay away from it didn't work, But I think
that's more so it is you see it against the Steelers,

(01:29:14):
who I think they should beat, and I don't know
about the Vikings, that it's gonna be another tough one.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
Yeah, and then of course the Bears too. And I'm
telling you, man that Bears defense is real. I mean,
the last two games they play Minnesota and Chicago, those
are gonna be good conversations leading up to it. By
the way, the win against the Bears. If Detroit wins
the next two games, Chicago loses one of the games
against Green Bay or San Francisco. You would think they

(01:29:40):
would they would flex that to a Sunday night game,
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it changes. We will an a million in this space
for the last two years where it's like Lions over everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Lions is that?

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
And third, we own this space.

Speaker 7 (01:30:06):
It's the Lion's time. All this kind scept the Kings
of the North little game of throwing reference right there,
and oh yeah, we're we won't go behind the Vikings
are like what you did there? Can we won't supplant
behind the Bears. And in one year now the Lions
and now fans and we're talking about if this happens,
the Lions can get here. If this happens, If this happens,

(01:30:27):
should we be talking about the draft this early? It
happens fast. That's why when you get a lead.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
When you get ahead, you gotta stay ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:30:35):
You gotta adapt, you ball, and you gotta continue to
do the things to keep you ahead of pace.

Speaker 6 (01:30:40):
You can't just think I'm here.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
I can't help but wonder. And this would never be
told publicly, what is Brad Holmes learning through this whole experience,
because this is a this is a little bit of
a reality check. I think for Detroit it's this is
it's a stunning situation right now with this team. I

(01:31:03):
get that injuries, but injuries happened to everybody, all right,
bad calls? Okay, you know what.

Speaker 8 (01:31:08):
I hate to tell people this. I mean I heard
this this morning. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
The Rams only had two penalties. He trid had four.
Now a lot depends on where you're getting them and
at what point. Okay, And we can complain about certain officiating, absolutely,
especially on the Parkinson touchdown, But overall, this is what
your thoughts on. I didn't I didn't understand it. He's
either he's either down at the one or he didn't

(01:31:38):
catch the ball. I didn't think he could. I didn't
think there's any way you could have caught the ball
and gone into the end zone because the defensive players
right there with him. Look, when you have a rules
analyst and you have a you know, a multi super
Bowl champion, seven times Super Bowl Champion, both saying, okay,

(01:31:58):
this is this is down at the one at the
worst because you can't tell on the catch. You couldn't
tell there was no if it was called incomplete on
the on the field, you could understand it. If it's
called complete, then okay, there's nothing that could overturn it.
And of course we saw what was the one that
the Buffalo game, the Buffalo in New England that should
have been an interception for crying out loud downfield. I mean,

(01:32:20):
the refering this year has been terrible. Anyway, I didn't
understand how it could have been. Did you did you
get it? How could that could be a touchdown? I did,
but I did.

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
But it's for how it came off, For how it
came up. There wasn't enough. There wasn't enough enough, wasn't
video evidence. There wasn't enough video evidence on that play
to support what I'm about to tell you. If if
Kobe Parkinson was right side up instead of knee in

(01:32:50):
his back and going down that way to where you're
kind of hiding the ball and you can't see if
he's laying on his back falling in the end zone
and the ball is moving but the ball never leaves
his chest or never leaves a part of him, and
he's still moving. And finally when he gets an end zone,
he puts his hands on the ball, ball stays still.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
That's called a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (01:33:09):
That's called a touchdown because he finally secured the catch
once he was in the indian zone. So it's a
touchdown like it's happened to me before, where I'm like,
made a catch and I'm indian zone fall and the
ball's moving and by the time I finally caught it,
I was at the back of the end zone.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
I had two feet in and it was a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (01:33:27):
But the ball finally stopped once I crossed the goal
line and made the touchdown. That's what happened. The problem
is you can't see that. So the fact that you
can't see that, it's unfair for them to call that
a touchdown. That has to be down at the one.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
Right, what I could see is that his knee was
down before the ball touched the goal line. And you
do not have to have any special degree in looking
at videotape or understanding the rule book in the NFL
for you to know that if indeed your knee or
your elbow is down before the ball crosses the goal line,
you were down at that yard marker.

Speaker 6 (01:34:01):
Even if you don't, it's that hard.

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
But even if you haven't secured the catch, like if
you're not finishing or completing the catch process.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
But how do you know when he secured the catch
when you can't use video evidence to either overrule it
in the first place.

Speaker 7 (01:34:16):
And that's why I was saying, like, that's why I said,
what it is. They didn't show you enough, so it
should have been down at the one. Yeah, but what
it was was finishing completing the catch process, which actually
finished in the end zone. But because you can't see that,
they shouldn't have been been allowed to call it. But
here's the other part. It's down at the one. They've

(01:34:36):
been running the ball on you all damn game. It's
still gonna be a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
Well I suppose. So it was the one.

Speaker 6 (01:34:42):
It wasn't like the the It wasn't like it was
it was a one. It wasn't like it was the fourteen.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
No, I get it. But here's what happens sometimes, And
this is me reaching, okay, so I'll take you. I'll
take the arrows. Guys, get illegal motion, guys get penalties
on holding, guys giving a penalty on you know, lining
up incorrectly, and fumbles happen. Yeah, okay. And by the way,

(01:35:08):
Stafford had problems with his snapper as a long snapper
a couple of times. Okay. So still I know in
all likely hell, I would say there was a ninety
five or above percentile where they're probably gonna score. But
if you give me that small percentile, I'll take it
as a defense. What if you hit him for a

(01:35:30):
tackle for loss or if you loose Karen Williams, you
and I have talked about this all season long. We'll
give you one. Yeah, he's a guy who's fumbled. He
did it against San Francisco at the one yard line ago.
There you go. So to say that, well, they're going
to score no matter what, I'm not buying that. A
defense wants the opportunity. And there's been too many examples

(01:35:52):
this year alone that is indicated something could.

Speaker 14 (01:35:54):
Have changed, especially when you look at somebody these Detroit
Lions teams of old who have been able to rely
on the opportunistic takeaways in the red zone. And we've
seen that defensive line in the last couple of years
they played stout in those types of gold line situations,
third and fourth and goal. So I would have liked
to see them at least have that chance in a

(01:36:15):
game where they's supposed to be fighting for everything. But
the Chad doesn't believe that it would have mattered for
the Detroit Liony.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
Yeah, I get like I said, I get it because
it's the overwhelming majority. But as we've talked about, I
like Kyraen Williams a lot last year ahead of my
my fantasy football team, but it didn't help me really.
But this year, you know, I mean earlier this year
against San Francisco against the Niners, where San Francisco upset them,
he fumbled on the one yard line. He had it
punched out twice, Matthew Stafford had to make some really

(01:36:45):
good plays on some bad snaps, and let's say he
goes under center and turns there have been holding penalties.
All these different things could happen, So I just I'm
not willing to just wave it off and say it
never could have happened, because I think there is a
possibility there anything else. In the super chat. Before we
hit quick timeout, let's take a quick one. All right,
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Four penalties isn't a lot either.

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Speaker 14 (01:42:43):
You know what brilliant chet Derek Barnes and these linebackers
have kind of taken over this chat. Right now, I'm
seeing a showgun Shula say Barnes, Campbell and Anzel where
no shows yesterday. Steve Wilds thinks that Barnes stinks, says
Derek Barnes was getting smoke yesterday on the boot leg
and on the Blake Krn run. And there's a whole

(01:43:06):
lot more Derek Barns or Steve Wild's Barnes. I didn't
even notice him playing. That's not a good thing.

Speaker 6 (01:43:11):
He wasn't the only defensive player.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
It was.

Speaker 7 (01:43:13):
Lineback actually said that about No, they're linebackers. We kind
of had this conversation a little bit last week, like
I don't like them in coverage. They're not necessarily that
good in space milchaol mar Reguez, Dereck Barnes particularly, but
Alex Aseloni he definitely wasn't necessarily a factor, although he
did tip a pass that would have been a DeVante's
Adams touchdown when we had Tvonte Adams had his feet

(01:43:33):
had him playing it on the right there of bounce,
that would have been a touchdown. He tipped the pass,
the end up having selled for a field goal. But
other than that, I agree to that. There was a
lot of a lot of exposing of them in coverage yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
Yeah, I get it. Like I said earlier, giants started it.
Though you spent you spent a lot of money on
a Lee McNeil, and he came back from injury. He
had one good game the first game back. Since that time,
have you heard his name cold at all? Did anybody
hear the name of Tyler Williams or DJ Reader yesterday

(01:44:07):
or Marcus Davenport.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
There still on the team.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
He's still on the team, actually started yesterday, you know,
Marcus Davenport. I get it. I'm not saying that they
we should omit talking about any of Detroit's linebackers because
I don't disagree with that. And I think sometimes when
you look at numbers like Jack Campbell had fourteen tackles,
ten solos, sometimes maybe we get that overshadows maybe some
of the mistakes.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
That he did make.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
Okay, so don't tell me he didn't make a mistake.
And you know how much I like him. He's one
of my favorite players. But there's other guys who I mean,
Oleen McNeill wasn't even on the stat sheet. Brayley, he played,
he played fifty two fifty three snaps wasn't on the
stat sheet? That to me makes no sense. How are
you gonna win if your starters at any position are

(01:44:53):
that unproductive?

Speaker 7 (01:44:55):
You can't why I'm say providing to providing a competent
roster on general management?

Speaker 5 (01:45:04):
Uh anymore? Oh? Yeah, you know people continue to support
the super chets.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:45:09):
So sat again to you all.

Speaker 7 (01:45:11):
But I appreciate you guys. I know this is a
tough day for you guys. Lions lost of the rams
in the game that looked like it could have been
in the hand early on. You know, it's a lot.
So we appreciate you guys for rocking with us. And
you know we ain't blowing no smuke. We telling a
lot of truth over.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
Yeah, that's well said, especially because a lot of these
folks probably saw the other two shows too, you know,
with Sewan, Beligion and Madge this morning and then Neil
and Terry Frost Foster earlier this afternoon. So you giving
us the time and willing to engage is really important
to us and we appreciate it very much, right man, Look,
just to keep it real cool. And Natalie since then

(01:45:42):
another super she's on fire.

Speaker 14 (01:45:45):
She says, is the media around the team too soft
on Brad and Dan? I see no constructive criticism, and
I've seen people in the child say they're actually here
today because they understand y'all gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Keep it real.

Speaker 7 (01:45:56):
I would have to read a little bit more and
see how the media has been going at him today
and kind of like the season, I kind of tapped
a little in and out, kind of in and out,
but in the past the media did go on him,
and I think the media was and that's what comments
I talk about with Brad Holmes. Brad Holmes kind of
trolled them at the end of the last two seasons,
so I think they kind of backed up off of
home based on that, and they're kind of just letting

(01:46:18):
things play out. This is Detroit though, that Detroit won't
be too nice for too long, so that maybe you
have a different opinion. I think at the end of
the season, I think you're can see a lot of
things come down the pipeline.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
Yeah, I think question wise, I think the media has
been relatively fair in bringing up the Brad Holmes hasn't
done what he was supposed to be doing. I think
in like, I don't know what we consider to be
too hard. I think you and I are professional about
our opinions, keep it real, but also are willing to say.

Speaker 8 (01:46:51):
Listen, this team hasn't been good enough.

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
Okay, you don't have to go out there and say, yoh,
should you be fired? Are you worried about your job
and all these other things. If that's what you think
is tough, then I would strongly disagree with that. I
think there's been plenty of headlines and plenty of articles
about why the Lions have not been as successful this
year as we expected them to. I do wonder if

(01:47:15):
you think that's about the Lions. How come nothing like
that was about the Tigers when they were going on
had how come nobody feels that way about Steve Eiserman
as the general manager.

Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
One because they don't love those teams as much as
they love the Lions, and then too the Passions. They
don't believe that those teams in the last two three
years have been as good as the Lions have been
in the last two three years. Okay, the Pistons last year,
like they and I know you say as well as lindsay,
but that team's coming off of fourteen wins the year
before that, and then last year it happens. I guess

(01:47:46):
the Pistons weren't mentioned by you, but the Tigers. Yeah, Tigers,
just like they did something that had never been done
before when they made the postseason two seasons ago, and
this year it was like, do you still believe what
they were?

Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
They did something that nobody's ever done before this year
two it's just in the wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:48:01):
Way exactly, And a lot of people didn't necessarily buy
into what the Tigers were the year before. They were
using this year to see and then it's like, oh,
we believe, and then you have the ends how it
ended so well?

Speaker 8 (01:48:13):
Remember I said, who says it couldn't happen the other way?

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
And people in the chat were pissed off of me,
like nobody's business, and I get it, but it's exactly
what I tracked that month by month to the dog.

Speaker 14 (01:48:24):
I mean, honestly, for the baseball season, you were right
posts all start breaking break from the beginning of the season.
He's kind of talked about what this division is going
to look like, and it's crazy to see playing out
like that Green Bay.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
And by by the way, I mean, I've been probably
more run than right on a lot of these things.
But all I'm saying is, when it comes to criticizing teams,
I think Braylan's right. People are more passionate about the
lines because it's once a week and you got five
flipping days to bitch and moan about it or praise

(01:48:55):
the team, Whereas with the Tigers, it's, well, you can
talk about that for a short period of time. They
could change your mind tonight, you know. And the same
thing with the Pistons and perhaps the Red Wings. So
I understand what you're where you're coming from. Uh, go ahead,
anything else that you want to get to me see here. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:49:13):
There was one about the catch as well, from Ronald
Fraser four ninety nine. He says it should have been
an incomplete pass or down at the one because when
he turned over on his back, the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
Was still moving. Okay, appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (01:49:27):
Yeah, that's the day it was, but wasn't moving on
the ground like that's their online is the difference, But
you couldn't see it, So it's like it's a tough conversation. Yeah,
one yard line because you couldn't see anything else.

Speaker 5 (01:49:39):
But they I just don't see how you call it
both both that's all. On Friday, we talked about the
Heisman and we said, how do you think it's going
to go? You and I both thought Fernando Mendoza would
win it from Indiana. He did, and he wanted I
would say, rather comfortably. Okay, Now, Diego Pavia, I thought would.

Speaker 8 (01:49:57):
Finish fourth and finished second.

Speaker 5 (01:49:59):
I thought it would be saying second, and I thought
love would finish third, and then Pavia Pavia finished his second. Afterwards,
not a great look from Diego Pavia. He's a competitor,
which great. Okay, it was three apology, I get it.
This is his apology after he said f all the voters.

(01:50:24):
Mom and dad should probably quickly get in there and
say what the hell is wrong with you? And I
would hope your coach, Clark Lee would do the same.
What was your take on that, considering you've been in
that discussion before and you've felt the heartbreak to a
certain extent.

Speaker 7 (01:50:37):
As it relates to him, like, this is who he
is because this is what his coach allows him to be,
this is what his parents allow him to be. He's
this every day. So when it happened, I wasn't surprised.
I was like, this is who Diego Pavi is, This
is who we allow him to be. How many people
cheer his antics on social media, including his coach, including
his parents.

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
Well, they did the same thing with your buddy Manziel
when he did this stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:51:00):
One, So I wouldn't have been surprised if he would
have done this, if he wouldn't have won, said that
had been crazy if he didn't. But no, so so
I don't that part. This is who he is, this
is who we've allowed him to be, So it doesn't
surprise me. But he just can't do things like this
because you're actually representing something a little bit more. You're
a quarterback and you're representing franchises, and when you're looking

(01:51:22):
at who's looking at you to see maybe you can
represent their team or be what they are, things like this,
you know they come back. You know you at the
end of the day to say F the voters, like
you're basically saying F Mendoza.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
Yeah, that's what it comes down to us, right, You're basically.

Speaker 7 (01:51:36):
Saying F Mendozer, because to say F the voters, you
mean that you clearly perceive yourself to be better, have
had a better season, to have gotten you know, job,
as they say, so.

Speaker 6 (01:51:48):
That means you're better him.

Speaker 5 (01:51:49):
So you're saying, f Mendoza, I don't like that aspect
of it. I don't like it either. In this apology
for Nanda, Mendoz's in the lead competitor, deserving winner of
the award. I have nothing but respect for his accomplishments,
as well as the success that Jeremiah Love and Julian
Saying had this season. Later on talks about his family.
He's grateful that doesn't want anything to distract from that.
You did distract from it. You've distracted from that all

(01:52:10):
season long.

Speaker 7 (01:52:11):
But when you when you see texts, tweets, polls, Yeah,
when you see all that coming Instagram stuff in the
morning and nightclubs, you know the time is that that
liquid carrier.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
That's exactly what it is. All right, final time out,
All be there and then we'll be back to frap
things up. On a Monday. In a very fast moving
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Speaker 6 (01:55:00):
They can pick a Westland turn out.

Speaker 5 (01:55:02):
How about that? Yeah, Distance and Celtics tonight. Who do
you got? I have the Pons.

Speaker 7 (01:55:08):
Pistons are mad that the Celtics had a one that
you know, stopped them from breaking their own win games
in a row, which was thirteen. The Celtics halted that,
so I think there's still a little bit of that,
and the Pistons are playing at a good place. I
saw the one forty two on Friday play well over
the weekend as well, so I think this will.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
Be a really good win for them.

Speaker 7 (01:55:26):
You always talk about a good win or this win
or that win. This is a better win than Atlanta,
if you will.

Speaker 5 (01:55:33):
So, yeah, I don't. I don't look at things like
our measuring stick games or anything like that, but I
do find it this would be a This should be
a hell of a win for them. I think most
wins are Don't get me wrong. I hate it when
people say, well, these are empty wins. I had somebody
on Saturday when we went out to dinner and they said, yeah,
the Lions have a lot of empty calorie wins. It's

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ironic because we were sitting down to dinner. I said,
what do you mean by that? And they said, well,
you know, I mean teams that you're you know, you're
you're supposed to be. Okay, so they don't have a
signature win. I said, but if you don't win those games,
how are you're gonna get to ten or eleven? Every
game in the National Football League is pretty important. We've
made it, it's been that's factual because in order for

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you to get to where you want to go, you've
got to be all those teams. Okay. So I don't
think it's necessarily a measuring stick game for the Pistons,
but I do like the fact that it's a it's
a possible bounce back against a specific team, and I
think what's been a better team than I think a
lot of people thought, considering Jason Tatum's been out. So
I'm sure we'll talk a little bit about that, kool Ai.

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Do we have any more before we're before we're out
of here on a Monday, Uh? Not anymore super chats.
We do have some questions that people since in right
fire away. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 14 (01:56:48):
Uh, Randall smalls, He says, uh, is it ironic that
the last two games against the Lions, their opponents had
zero penalties?

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
Well, the Rams had two penalties. Yeah, Rams had two penalties.
Yeah yeah, and Dallas Dallas didn't have penalties. Or you're
talking about the losses. Let me see you. That's hey, Claire,
clarify it. Let clarify it.

Speaker 7 (01:57:12):
Random, hold on, hold on, hold on, let's start looking
for stuff now, come on, Rando, you one of my faves.

Speaker 5 (01:57:16):
Let's not.

Speaker 6 (01:57:16):
Let's not start going looking for things against the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 5 (01:57:21):
I think the only the only team that didn't have
penalties against Detroit this year was Kansas City. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:57:25):
Case, how's that working out for them?

Speaker 5 (01:57:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:57:28):
They had nine penalties the next day.

Speaker 5 (01:57:30):
By the way, shout out. I ain't say that.

Speaker 14 (01:57:33):
He just sent in a two dollars super chat ask
if there's any Pistons post game tonight. We're actually doing
a watch party and a post game tonight, so tap
in after the Heavies.

Speaker 5 (01:57:43):
Y'all gotta watch the Heavies too, So you're gonna be
here for a while.

Speaker 14 (01:57:45):
Oh yeah, go run and probably get a little bite
and then right back here and have some fun with
the with the fellas. Tonight while we watched the Pistons
win again, shout.

Speaker 5 (01:57:54):
I think in the conference room before you go there.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I might not get that bite.
What thumbs up or thumbs down? The Jalen during gets
a double double tonight thumbs up, Yeah, thumbs up.

Speaker 6 (01:58:08):
It's been a minute.

Speaker 5 (01:58:09):
He's averaging eighteen and eleven, right, I think that. I
think those are his numbers. Eighteen eleven, he's not jump
what a jump?

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:58:17):
Remember he fell back a little bit last year. Yeah, so,
and you know how I feel about him. He's probably
my favorite Piston, even though a lot of the easy
answer is Kate cutting Ou. I've always been there like
that as a kid. Everybody likes one guy, I gotta
like somebody else.

Speaker 7 (01:58:30):
I will say this, though, I'm not going to any
more Pistons games unless they're playing like like hear me, no.

Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
No, no, unless they win when you're there listen Friday.

Speaker 7 (01:58:38):
Listen, and unless they're playing top tier competition. Because when
I got to the game, I ain't even see ka
Jalen to buy it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:50):
I see anybody for the first ten minutes of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:58:52):
I'm just sitting there.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
A lot of that was just watch it. You know,
he's getting all the rebounds and point.

Speaker 6 (01:59:02):
There's Ryan Hollins again.

Speaker 5 (01:59:04):
I said, what do these guys? And then then a
guy came out there to a short sleep t shirt
under mean I said, who are you know? This guy was?
You're a former usher.

Speaker 7 (01:59:16):
Them on the bench to laugh and the frouly can
having a good time. I'm like, man coming to see this.

Speaker 8 (01:59:20):
That's so funny.

Speaker 5 (01:59:21):
That's how good they're.

Speaker 7 (01:59:22):
They're a very deep team. That's what we talked about
last year. They're nine to ten deep. So you can
have the ability to spell your guys on the night
where you don't need him and still score one hundred
and forty two.

Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
So I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:59:32):
I'm just telling you I'm either gonna start even in
the first quarter.

Speaker 5 (01:59:36):
Wait, it's a game like this. All takes as you
showing up and they seem to win. So get on
that flight to Boston real quick. By the way, before
we leave, quick shout out to the Grand Rapids Griffins,
which is the American Hockey League team and the affiliate
on Detroit Red Wings. They have one regular regular regulation loss.
Excuse surprise, you with that. Yeah, surprised me with that
one one regulation loss. Twenty four games, they are twenty

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two one, zero to one. It is a new AHL record. Wow,
in the history of that league, and it's been around
a long time. That has never happened.

Speaker 6 (02:00:12):
So didn't they just take somebody up? Though somebody's got stolen.

Speaker 5 (02:00:15):
For they did their Their leading scorer comes up. Eric
Gustuson goes back down. We'll talk Pistons, Lions, college football,
and a whole lot more tomorrow because the first round
of the college football playoff is sneaking up on us.
It is. Thanks for watching, everybody, We're back with her
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