Za'Darius Smith WONT be on Lions?! | The Braylon Edwards Show w/ Shep | Thursday, August 28th, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh man, it is great to be back in this chair.
I want to thank Hanson for filling inform me yesterday.
But it's great to see the smiling faces of Ricky
and kool Aid and of course the man Brayln Edwards.
Honored to be back with you on a Thursday afternoon
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Speaker 6 (01:13):
Man, I'm feeling good. Excited you're back, excited to tap
into some things. Brady Quinn came on yesterday, Man, he
gave us some great insight into the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 7 (01:21):
Dan Campbell with the season could be like.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
But I'm happy to see you, man, and I'm happy
that you know, we've talked about football. Everybody's gearing up
for football. Everybody's excited for the Lions in the NFL
this week.

Speaker 7 (01:33):
I want to say.

Speaker 6 (01:33):
NCAA starts tonight tomorrow. Michigan State season starts Saturday, Michigan.
Everybody's excited about that.

Speaker 7 (01:40):
But let's not forget high school football. High school football
is around the corner.

Speaker 8 (01:44):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
Shout to wall Late Northern with my boy Braydon Vlou
will be starting. It's my boy, Jimmy Sun. He'll be
starting his first high school game at quarterback. But my
own son has already started seventh grade football, and I
got some high I got some clips.

Speaker 7 (02:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Been working back and forth with his mom and she's
been great in that that department, showing me what my
son's okay. They play on Wednesday nights, Wednesday nights, so
that's a little tough considering we do show. But I
will be going out there in a couple of weeks.
I'm taking Wednesday outside and go see my son play
a game. And I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:17):
I don't think he'll be catching touchdowns in the end zone.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
I think he's gonna be somebody's outside linebacker, or he's
gonna be a taller.

Speaker 7 (02:25):
Bigger version Bryan Branch. He's like his pops man, He's physical.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Do you where do you not that you were steering him?
But you just want to expose him to the game
and let him gravitate towards the area that he finds
most attractive.

Speaker 9 (02:41):
Right in the sport of football. So how do you
how do you kind of do that?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Because there's so many moms out there these days who
don't necessarily want their kids to play football at an
early age. When did you start that and how did
you come to the realization that he and his mom
would be on the same page.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
Well, she knows, you know who her son's father is.
Let's start there. You know he's a football player. You
know how she met the whole nine yards. But she
does a great jobs just allowing him to do him.
I think I try to help in that regard play football.
That's fine. I'm not going to force it on you.
My father didn't force football on me, so I didn't
force it on Maddix in this regard, I'm not going
to force the wide receiver position. My dad was an

(03:20):
All Big Ten player at tailback and then full back.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
I played wide receivers.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
So you let the kids finding on space, but their
naturally gravitate towards and once they do, then you start
having you know, advice or tidbits or having them talk
to some people. Man, But I'm just excited that he's
having fun with the game. I'm just having I'm excited.
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I'm glad you are.

Speaker 7 (03:43):
But we got picks, we got we got anything.

Speaker 9 (03:48):
So how do you help him though?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean people think as a wide receiver you can't
help him defensively. You know, defenses, you know how to
help out.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
Put the move on him up the side.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
So that's on him tackling, that's him running.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
That's that's tud right there. That's called a tud.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, that's in the end.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
You see sideline game. I see you all here, matics,
let's see.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
You out here.

Speaker 7 (04:10):
Yeah, man, excited you you just he's young. He's seventh grade.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Like, I'm not putting too much on him. He's seventh grade,
Like I'm not telling him, Hey, look man, in order
to be the next insert player here, just have fun
with it.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
This is this is the space.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
This is the space where you feed into the questions
like this is the age where you just answer the question, Hey, hey, dad,
you know what about this or what about that? Or
you know on this play or what did you see
in this game? You just answer some questions now, like
I'll down into it, be a little bit more serious.
Eighth grade, ninth grade summer, going into sophomore year. I
want him to have fun. One thing that happened to

(04:46):
me is in track. It didn't happen in football, and
started football late, but in track, as you see in baseball,
as you see in travel, which you had a.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
Story come up, these kids get worn out.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
I start running track with my dad, Dad, I'll love you, yea,
I love you, you know I do. I started running
track on the AAU circuit, on the US A T
F circuit, the Junior Olympic circuit and eight years old,
nine years old, ten years old. By the time I
got the thirteen. I need a break from tracking the summer.
I just wanted to go outside and be normal. I
want to play around the neighborhood. Dad gave me a

(05:19):
break at thirteen. I ran in fourteen, took another break
at fifteen, and I broke my knees, so I had
to take a break.

Speaker 10 (05:24):
Bro, you said, seventh grade, how tall is he?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (05:28):
You see, I told you. I told you she's gonna
be bigger than He's gonna be bigger than Pops. That's
why I work out so hard. You see that, You
see that foot, that shoe leg leg's bigger than mine.
Like he's got he's got some got some some sizable
quads on it. He's a good looking boy man good
looking boys, yeah, man, so but high.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
School, that's it's such a refreshing alitude that you have.
In addition to no doubt your dad does and you're
and his mom does too. I think it's really really
importan to give him that space.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
You know, it's physical, off the edge. Look at that,
I'm saying you looking for outside Russia. This this could
be a guy Detroit. This could be a guy in
about eight years.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Look at that.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
Physicality at his finest, looks like grit to me.

Speaker 9 (06:16):
So I'm saying, hey, and you know it's a.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Clean hit too, all hands. Yeah, yeah, so that's good stuff. Yeah,
And he's only gonna get bigger and stronger, and.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
He's only gonna get better. He's only gonna have more
fun because I won't allow it to be the other way. Like,
I'm not trying to come in as a torpedo pairent.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
And we figured out that.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
As long as he enjoys it, right, I mean that's all,
that's all that really matters. If they're not gonna enjoy it,
then they're not going to really put in the work
that's necessary to get where they eventually people would like
them to go anyway.

Speaker 7 (06:45):
Ye, speaking of enjoying it, you know, I'm a man
in my gym.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Shoes, right, I did see that. It's a Texas look.
It's interesting. I'm wondering if you're wearing it strictly because
the Longhorns play Ohio State this weekend or what is.

Speaker 10 (06:57):
It about this all over?

Speaker 7 (07:03):
Nah?

Speaker 6 (07:03):
These are uh, these are the shot of backboards the Jays.
You know what I'm saying, Shaq wasn't the first one
breaking back.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
With what they're a doggin. So let me start my bad.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
I got it Choka Thunder, but Shaka Thunder was a
seven foot three hundred plus Michael Jordan was six five
and the hat with six five and seven eighths.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I didn't know he broke back boards.

Speaker 6 (07:24):
He broke a backboard. This would have been it wasn't.
It wasn't Olympics, but it was a foreign game. It's
like eighty seven and his foreign game. He's got on
different uni. You know how they didn't wear Olympic I
mean NBA things when they went overseas, and he was
wearing a color that he didn't wear during the season.
He was wearing a little pumpkin spice. Shout of Taylor
Swift and tracks.

Speaker 10 (07:43):
Talking about Shack, Is there is there any celebrity that
you would square within the ring? Because did you hear
shock Is getting into Bonta bro Bota.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
I'm talking about you're talking about that, You're talking about
a detective. Detective he talking about the member of the
Omega sci Fi fraternity like he does all these side projects.

Speaker 7 (08:03):
Like Snoop Man.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
You know what, all the Papa Johns.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Don't get it. Don't get me into papajiz size things.
That was very interesting, but boxing is one of those
things where money would money won't allow me to do it,
like money will not allow me to sacrifice the potentially
get dropped and have brain damage.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
Just for twenty million. It was like twenty million, would.

Speaker 9 (08:29):
You get the ring with Mike Tyson? The answer is quick, no.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
So and then til you're starting, and then once you
get into the space of now, I'm not even fighting
an individual that has a boxing pro card, which means
he knows how to box and take care of you
in the ring. Now I'm fighting somebody that's trying to
figure out boxing like me.

Speaker 7 (08:47):
Nah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I'm good.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yeah, I'm good because tough guys. Tough guys get knocked out.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
One of the toughest brothers I ever met was Adrian Peterson.
I shook his hand at the College Awards. He was
a freshman. Now he should have been a sophomore, but
he was a freshman. I shook his hand. I said,
there's no way, absolutely as broke my hand. I'm see her.
I gotta fight him. He got knocked out. Adrian Peterson

(09:13):
got knocked out. Ring another nothing.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
In field player was it?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
They don't know?

Speaker 11 (09:19):
Nate got knocked out.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
When they got knocked out.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
I think Agrian Peerson got knocked out to he got
knocked out by Darren Williams.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Player really.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
Yes and played at Utah and then played for the Nets.
He knocked out Adrian Peterson.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
Wow, I did not know he or did.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
He knock out Frank Gore? Anyway? Well, Aveon Bell is
knocking Oh you know what? Yes, Adrian Pearson got dropped
by Darren Williams. Le'Veon Bell won the fight or did
Le'Veon Bell drop?

Speaker 11 (09:55):
Okay, at the end of the day, I was right.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Adrian Peterson got into a ring as strong, his name's
a D and he got knocked out.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
I'm good, Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 9 (10:06):
Not to mention the fact that Shaq is, you know,
seven to two.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think Shack three. I don't. He's got a longer
reach than I do.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
I will fight Shack on the street, like if something happened,
like if something came up where I had to fight
Shack on the street, I will fight Shack. I've seen
him on the court shacks off and a lot of
stories about Shack of saw like.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Name the person going that far.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
I'm not gonna say, name the person that you saw Shaq,
knock out. Name the person that you saw Shack really
rough up. I've seen a bunch of misses. I saw
miss punch against Brad Doherty said, not Brad Dorty, but
Brad Miller. I saw miss punch against Chuck Barkley. I
saw him try to get tough and then when people
get in his face, I didn't see anything. Name the person.

Speaker 9 (10:48):
Because he has to knock somebody out on them.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
Name the person that he slammed. Name the fight that
he got into.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well like to me, I don't think he has to
get in a fight. He's a big man. Not many
guys are willing to fight him. And his size and
his strength and he moves people with the ease is
enough for me. I mean, I think you know, especially
a guy who's seven to two over three hundred pounds,
Like you said, I'm not getting to the ring with him.
You'd fight anybody on the street if it meant to survival,

(11:14):
of course you.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
I'm not getting the ring shot, not because I'm scared
of shock. I just don't trust that for man. But
as it relates to fighting Shaq, I ain't scared to
fight shot. Shack is SWT for most basketball players are like.
What happens is they get protected at an early age.
They become the tall guy. They become the guy with that,
so they get protected. They never have to fight. They
don't know how to fight. I've seen these guys in
football too. I fought one of these guys I went

(11:37):
to University of Mischieo. Would not say his name. I
won't tell you how I know him. He was one
of those guys, biggest dude in his town, biggest guy
in his area, his high school. Because of the size,
nobody wants to fight him. I'm from Detroit. We fight,
We fight, and I put him in the ground and
it wasn't very hard.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
I would do the same with Shaq. Hey, you know what, man, realistic,
I'm not running from.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't disagree with you on the on the n
b A label. There are certain NBA guys of the past.
Charles Oakley I won't fight, I know, yeah, Xavier McDaniel,
no one was a really tough dude.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (12:15):
There are certain guys I wouldn't fight.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Rick Mahorne.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
He's my brother, okay, so big Yeah, So there there
are certain guys I'm staying away from. You're right, the
bigger they are, the harder they fall. But who's gonna
really test a guy like Shaquille O'Neill. That will be
interesting to watch him in the ring when he does that.

Speaker 10 (12:35):
It's Sequille O'Neill. It's fighting Will Smith's old bodyguard. And
this thing is to be reffed by Roy Jones Jr.

Speaker 11 (12:42):
And it was Le'Veon Bell who two pieced agent? You are?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's a rick.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
Ricky said that shout out to the big ten, I'm
gonna take away, And how can shout?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah? I get I guess so.

Speaker 9 (12:54):
I mean it's I don't know what these guys gain
out of.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
This money money money, and I think you stay relevant
has a lot to lose.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Shack doesn't need Shack doesn't need to stay relevant. He's
just relevant as they come from.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
I was talking about about the other guy, But for Shack,
I like to think it's a side project.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I'd like to see a hockey player in there.

Speaker 12 (13:16):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
We saw what happened with that on the golf course.
Hockey players. But yeah, but that that then that dude
was trying to blow up and he was a nothing burger,
right man, I'm talking about another athlete. I want to see,
because the hockey ty domy is gonna take two punches
to deliver one. Yeah, I mean, Shaquille O'Neil's not hitting
him any harder than Bob Prober used to hit him,
you know what I mean? Guys like that, That's what

(13:37):
I like to say.

Speaker 7 (13:38):
Problem with the hockey players.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
They know how to fight that that that that fight,
they know how to fight that tight quarters fight. They
know how to throw those two punches. Then when you
wake up, you're trying to figure out which.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
One of it was it? And how many punches did
you hit me with that? Trust me? Me and d
mac has they like it. And Mack had a fun situation.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
We were just messing around and I got the sense
I said, I'm in this fun space when it caves in.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
Yeah, right, Like I quickly understood.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
What it was and I was like, hey Mac, we're
just messing around.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Mac.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
It turns on like this. You get to get the
tight one T one h you're waking up tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean suddenly they hit. It's
real and those guys love that stuff. The problem with
certain guys like that. Wrestlers are a lot like that too.
You don't really mess with wrestlers. Those guys they love
the taste of blood, so it's okay by them. They
don't mind getting punched in the mouth. I remember my
father was a boxing champion on his ship in the Navy.

(14:42):
You gotta talk about that well, and he I used
to see the pictures and all that other stuff, and
he always used to tell me that, you know you're
get in a fight, here's what you do.

Speaker 9 (14:52):
First, hit him in the nose because it bleeds.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
And then what happens, They go like this, They go
like this right, so their hands are gone and then
everything else is open. So you kick him down low
or low. There you go. That's that's the kind of
way it went.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Sorry, though, I'm super excited about the shop not to
cut you off today drops the podcast on Glory Days
that I did with Johnny Manziel. Extremely excited about that.
It was a really good conversation. I think we got
some stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
And so, yeah, Brady Quinn yesterday and you've already been
with cooking out here Manyeah, we're trying to get sting shown.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
We got Cauna Carter Heisman Trophy win in ninety four
with the Penn State Nittny Lyons will talk to him
about the upcoming Collegeason, but talking to Johnny Manziel was
great and he did something that was super dope. You
can say what you want to about Johnny Manziel. He's
an individual that stood up to what he's dealt with.
He's an individual that apologizes for who he was, not

(15:50):
who he is.

Speaker 9 (15:51):
How different is he now?

Speaker 7 (15:52):
Super different?

Speaker 6 (15:53):
Like everything that he did in Cleveland, he reminds me
of Jay will Like Jason Williams, we talked about the
point guard.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
I remember I told you the story.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
He says, I appreciate Mike Bibby coming in because he
was talking about white white chocolate, white chocolate. He said,
I appreciate Mike Bibby. He came into Sacramento. He's a
more professional guard. He was ready for the things that
he did, and I was out there kind of free balling,
and I could have I could have taken advantage or
wasted some of the careers of a Chris Webber, of
Lottie Deva insert players on that team. That's exactly what

(16:21):
Johnny Manziel has done in the past. He talks about,
you know, at arms length, the Joe Thomas situations. He
said I was wasting this man's career. I was wasting
one of the best offensive tackles in the NFL. I
was wasting Cleveland Brown. So he talks like this, He's
not one of those guys that's just Cleveland did me wrong,
or they did this, and blah blah blah.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
Because there's a lot of that. Yeh, it's Cleveland. They
made a ton of mistakes. He did it with me
doing some other players.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
But he has the presence to admit his fault in
the situation. So we had really good conversation along that line.
I was able to admit some things like, look, at
some point, I could have done more in this round,
or I could have worked a little bit harder over here,
you know. So it was it was a mature convers.

Speaker 9 (17:03):
I mean, we all we all grow from things like that.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
At least.

Speaker 9 (17:07):
I hope Ryan Leaf has been like that too.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
He's he's his was a little different because of the
substance abuse, but overall he's had to grow up and
he's come out and admitted and now talks about it openly.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
He does. He does.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
I actually met Ryan, and I met Ryan in the
space and to see him in that space, to come
to this space. I've had conversations with just very proud,
just excited for him and all he does. He breaks
down college football, NFL, a lot of different things, does
a pretty good job of it.

Speaker 7 (17:33):
Do we have a teaser?

Speaker 10 (17:34):
I was gonna say, I got the teaser right here.
Man about to play that for you guys. I'm gonna
keep you guys on the screen well while we play that,
So shout.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
Out to Yeah, I got right.

Speaker 11 (17:46):
Shout out to Nils.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Hard to find success.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Every time these draft it's up to that player to
save the franchise. Tim College wasn't gonna save your franchise.
Johnny Monziel wasn't gonna save your France.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
To be honest, what maybe their biggest cup of the
entire century is Baker dead and then it.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Got rid of.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
That's so excited.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
That's drop.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
I will say this and I won't say more because
I want people to go check it out. I want
you to see the you know you see me every day,
but a lot of people don't go check out Johnny Manziel.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Looks like it's well produced.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
It was well produced.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
I had to navigate it because Johnny's still younger in
his forgetting Cleveland, forgiving Cleveland.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
Moving on, I'm a little bit older, I'm forty two.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
He was trying to turn this into a you know,
let's just sit up here for fifty minutes and talk
about Cleveland, and luckily I'm forty two. Now I'm like,
I'll give you some stuff. You know, I will point
out so many things in Cleveland I felt.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
Did wrong, made wrong. I talked to out. One of
the big things the interview is the draft process itself.
Like the owner.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
Drafted me Odell, Yeah, no, no, no, Randy Lerner al Lerner's
son who took over for r Modell when.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
They brought the team back.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
But Randy wanted me, nobody else did so dealing with
this as a twenty two year old where nobody in
the building wanted you except one guy who's never there,
the owner. Wow, And so that kind of goes into
who Cleveland is now. Cleveland's owners make decisions that the
front office have to deal with and that the coaches
have to deal with, so they're never on the same page.

Speaker 9 (19:33):
How did you find that out?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
How was that revealed to you that the owner wanted
you but coaches and other scouts did not.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
That's what agents are for.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Unluckily, my agency that I went with, so the first
agency I had, I parted ways with them four or
five years into the NFL. And the guys that I hired,
which was CAAA Creative Artists Association, they represented my GM,
Phil Savage.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
I was able to get all they said. Well, Phil
told us and then Phil admitted to it. Phil Savage
who was out of Oklahoma at the time, he now
still doing the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
I love Phiel.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
He was coming out of Oklahoma and they had a
lot of great defensive talent at that time. He still
drafted two guys from Oklahoma in my class that were
from defense. Antonio Peis was a dB and brodnie Pool
was a safety. Defensive guys they won another defense guy
and Romeo can is your head coach, one of the
best defensive minds in NFL history. You know, one of
the guys responsible before that linebacker Coret you love of

(20:37):
New York Giants is Romeo Cane is a defensive coordinator
along with Bill Belichick.

Speaker 7 (20:41):
So yeah, you figure.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
Those things out and it's like, man, WHOA, this is
really the things that's going on behind.

Speaker 9 (20:48):
The scenes when did you find that playing?

Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah, but I was I had moved on from the
from the Browns. I was like, you're seven, Like you're seven.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
You didn't get a feel for that while you were there. Then,
you know what, there's not a lot of support for
me here. I mean, how did that? How did that
come about? That's a very interesting story.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
At that time, it just didn't seem like there was
a lot of support for anybody and for the Cleveland Browns,
whether your first round draft pick, whether your free agency pickup,
whether it was somebody had been on the team for
a while.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
It just didn't seem like any of us had that support.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
It seemed like it was just another season and these
were the sixty one guys, and we're gonna just roll
this out year after year after year. We're not really
gonna put forth, you know, some chemistry kind of like
here in Detroit. That's why I'm so impressed with Sheila
Hemp being on board with Dan Campbell, then being on
board with Brad Holmes. Noticed how I did that got

(21:39):
Dan Campbell, then Brad Holmes and then them forming like
a holy trinity in which information is consistently passed from
Sheila to Brad to Dan back to Sheila or over here,
and the communication as well, and you have a sense
of professionalism and you have a sense of understanding, and
players can feel that players are now allowed to know
what it is.

Speaker 7 (21:57):
The information that they're given has been vetted by three different.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Well, what I like about her is what she She
hired somebody to do a job.

Speaker 9 (22:08):
She lets him do his job.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
You know, if you're going to hire somebody and you're
going to trust somebody with their responsibilities, then let them
do the job.

Speaker 9 (22:16):
Don't be looking over the you talked about it earlier.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
You're not going to be that, you know, helicopter parent.
Don't be a helicopter owner.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
Yeah, I agree, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I mean there's some there are some guys. There are
some owners, quite a few owners I would guess that
are just the opposite. They want to be in the
in the draft room, that's great. They want to be
on that phone with the draft pick, that's fine too.
But you're not making the pick because you haven't done
the research that we've done. You haven't done the interviews
that we've done. You may have read our reports, but

(22:47):
you're not the one who should be building the team.
You own the team. You're not building the team. There's
a big difference.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
When I tell you guys about the Dolphins. You thought
I was joking when I told you that when it
comes to the Dolphins, I don't play a game. Will
who's underneath my foot right now? A Dolphin. I told
you this was my first start in the NFL. It's
my first actual start, not in a package because I
started the first game of the season because I was

(23:14):
a third wide receiver and it was Trio.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
This is my actual first start.

Speaker 9 (23:18):
That's not Louis Oliver who is that.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
It doesn't matter who it was. He was cooked from
the beginning.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
I think it's Lee Biden and Will Allen were the DB's.
No Sam Madison, that's that's Oh, that might be certain.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Really, that might be certain because.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
I think Sam Madison played for the Giants. He left
Miami and went to the Giants my rookie year. Sam
Madison was still there with maybe Will Allen and somebody else.
So I told you I don't play about them Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
May later with the Lions.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
Yes, that's right, that's.

Speaker 10 (23:51):
True, And I know you uh that. Manzell also had
something else for you too, another message that he gave you.

Speaker 11 (23:57):
Was that on draft night?

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, you know this isn't for me.
This wasn't for me. This is for Brave. You got
that video I set up. So when I was finishing
the interview with Johnny Manziel, my boys, Braiden, Jimmy Velu,
his son got the starting quarterback job. He loves Johnny Manziel.
So I just asked him.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
I just asked him.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
I said, hey, look, man, you know there's any chance
you can shoot a video to my boy's son.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
You know.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
He was like, sure, not a problem. So this was
two weeks ago. So he gave me his number. I
sent him the correct pronunciation and one day goes by,
two days go by, three days, go by, four days,
go by, five days go by. Fast forward to tuesday.
I text him again. I said, look, I don't want
to be that guy, because I get it. I've been.
You've been much like you. I said, but if you can,

(24:43):
it's fine. Games in two days. If you can't, that's
fine too. I still appreciate doing the cast and maybe
we'll do something down the line. That video was sent
to me from Italy within a man in fifteen seconds
and here.

Speaker 10 (24:57):
It is all right, got you guys on the screen too, braiden.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
What's going on my man, Johnny Manziel here, Man, just
want to say, more than anything, going into your first start,
it's not too big for you. You're ready for this moment
more than anything. Man, Have fun, be yourself. What you've
been doing in practice the lead up to this moment,
everything that's got to you to this point. This is
the time where you should be excited, where you should

(25:22):
go out and play free and have fun and be
the guy that you truly are. Just want you to
know I'm in your corner, brother. I wish you nothing
but the best. If you ever need anything from me,
reach out, feel free chop it up. However I can
help you go out and have some pout my brother
and ball out much.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
What's going on my man here?

Speaker 8 (25:43):
And I just want to say, more than anything.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
We've got that. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
That's really really nice for him to do that.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's funny because you and I were just talking about
this earlier in the week about how often do you
push in that space when you know you've got people
who are yeah, busy, lives right, and their being asked
to do a lot right athletes are always asked, hey,
can you do this? Can you take a picture? Can
you do a shout out for this? And you've gotta

(26:11):
be careful not to push too hard and realizing that
you've been in the same space and yet you push
just enough and the guy came through. What was the reaction?

Speaker 6 (26:21):
So, kid Jimmy was over the moon excited, you know,
he had Jimmy's funny. It took him probably about an
hour to call him because he was so high and
he was figuring it out. Braydon, He went through the
roy of emotions. He was just excited, you know, to
have something happening that. So he has a sophomore in
high school as you're about to go today, you know,
so he you know, I won't tell you what he

(26:42):
did now, I'll protect his manhood, but let's just say
you know, he was super excited and I think tonight's gone.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
It's gonna be a big knight for him.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
That's an emotional moment. It really is, when you finally
meet I would guess one of the worst experiences a
lot of young people can have is they meet their
quote end quote hero and that hero becomes somebody completely
other than who they thought they were right for him
to do that. Now he's just not meeting him, but
still taking the time out. It reinforces his belief in

(27:14):
that guy and keeping the dream alive a little bit
for him.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
And the last thing I say about this is I
know a lot of people out there watching and they're
gonna watch. And I said, oh, well, you know, he
of course he's gonna do that for Braylen. Brailen went
on his show, they're both in the NFL. That's not
how it works. Like I've legitimately done shows or podcasts
or spaces where there's been another former player who's, you know,
of an elite talent same as mine or way beyond,
and they were not so nice. And Johnny came into

(27:38):
the podcast when podcasts was set up. You can see
the guys getting ready. You know how it works. Everyone
here knows how they work. You can see guys setting up.
You're checking the levels, like instantly, from the time that
he came onto the screen to the video right here
until even after the video, it was the same energy.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
He said, what's.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Going on, man, It's gonna be a great pot super
excited and sat down there. We talked about some things,
and we did the power We talked. After he got
the information, he passed it along, So that was his
energy from the moment he sat down and to you know,
until the end. It wasn't the interview that persuaded him.
It wasn't anything we talked about. It some Johnny Manziel.

Speaker 9 (28:13):
I love the stories of people who have.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Recognized their faults and grown out of those faults, because
anybody out there who doesn't think that they've made their mistakes,
the worst thing is making that mistake and then doing
it over and over again. Learn from it, right, So
obviously he's learned from it, which is really refreshing. Now
was it enough to save his career? Obviously not, which

(28:38):
is unfortunate, But at least now he can maybe help
somebody else and cut that off at the proverbia pass,
so he doesn't necessarily make the same mistake as Johnny
Manziel did early in his career.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
What I love about his guy puts you in position
to affect people the way he wants you to. So
maybe God didn't want Johnny Manziel to go to the
NFL and have a Hall of Fame career and to
go Jackie. He wanted Johnny Manziel to have those ups
and down, the trials and tribulations and get into a
good space. So now when Johnny talks to the next
generation of kids, the next wave of individuals, or anybody

(29:09):
in general, like, this is the space he's coming from,
and I think he can teach and reach more people.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
So guy makes no mistakes. He didn't make a mistake
with Johnny.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well's Let's hope that's exactly the case. Sorry, did Brad
Holmes make a mistake that he has not been in
active discussions with Zadarius Smith? And how do you, as
a Liance fan feel about that? We will get to
that when we come back from a brief time out
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Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah. Yes, Speaking of golf yesterday, I was playing in
a guy who was in my forester said to me,
he's like, you know, the thing that concerns me about
the Lions I.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Did on the golf Everybody on the golf course is
a head coach, a scouting department, director, g M, and
an owner.

Speaker 7 (34:53):
That is what the golf course is full of.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
It seems like it is. And yeah, you know what
I mean. I think the Sun crew and I just
bit the bottom of the cant and gunned it. That's
what That's what we used to do. We literally bite
the bottom of the camp. I'm not really smart either,
though no one ever accused me of being smart anyway.

(35:16):
So he says to me, the thing that concerns me
is their schedule and I said, well, that's that's valid.
I mean, they have arguably the hardest schedule in the NFL.
I think it's ranked second. I think Chicago's number one
could be wrong there, but I think it's ranked second.

Speaker 9 (35:29):
And he said yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Especially the quarterbacks.

Speaker 9 (35:32):
And I said, okay, I.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Believe in Detroit's defense. I think it's going to be
really good. But can you tell me what you mean
by that? And he said, yeah, it's loaded his words,
now loaded with Hall of Fame quarterbacks, And.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
I said, oh, can you what do.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
You mean loaded with them? Like to me, you playing
seventeen games? Loaded means a lot of quarterbacks. There's four
guys on their schedule who you could argue will be.

Speaker 9 (36:00):
Hall of famers. Aaron Rodgers is a Hall of famer.
You may not like him. You may think he's weird.
You might, I mean not like.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
How he goes about his business, but he's a Hall
of Fame quarterback. Patrick Mahomes. You may be tired of
the Kingdom and tired of his wife on the Quarterback
Show on Netflix, and tired of all these other things,
maybe him winning.

Speaker 9 (36:16):
I actually like him.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
He's a Hall of Fame quarterback. Lamar Jackson and Joe
Burrow are really good. They're top five in football right
now and on a regular basis. I don't know if
they're Hall of famers yet. I don't have to be
the first one into the pool to know that it's cold. Okay,
But that's what do you mean loaded with him? I mean,
should we really be concerned over this guy who's playing

(36:41):
in my forceman and saying I'm really worried about this
card I said, how many they faced last year? You
know what I'm saying. I mean, who are the guys
last year? Matthew Stafford could be a Hall of Famer.
We don't know if he is, but he might be. Okay,
you think he is. Okay, he's under five hundred in
his career, but he would be. I think just the
second quarterback to do that.

Speaker 11 (36:59):
But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Hey, I don't I don't disagree with that. Josh Allen
maybe maybe maybe. I mean, I don't know if Josh
Allen is or not. Just because he won an MVP
doesn't mean that he's gonna be a Hall of Fame quarterback.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
All Right, I'm gonna help you with some of that. Okay,
first part, we live in force. You should have I
wouldn't been saying I would have been saying things like that,
and golf for some ladies and gentlemen. Could have used
a few extra drives too, But go ahead, here we go.
We live in the air post Lebron. Everything since Lebron
has become the immediate gratification or the immediate placing people

(37:33):
in spaces like legitimately in the last fifteen years, somebody
has four good years they're instantly in the Hall of Fame. Oh,
this guy is going to Cooperstown. This guy's going into Kent,
you know, this guy is going to ours. Forget where
Nationmith's Hall of Fame is.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
This guy's going there.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
We go Springfield, this guy is going here, this player
is going here, this female is going here. Because WNBA,
they get in as well. Uh, slow down, Like when
I was coming to the league, like Adrian Peterson had
real five grade years, Like Agrian Peerson rush for two
thousand coming off in torn acl I've never seen anything
like played against him that year. He disragged our squad,

(38:09):
like he legitimately entered the fourth quarter with forty two
rest of yards and finished the game with one seventy seven.
I repeat, started the fourth quarter with thirty four rest
of yards and he finished with one hundred and seventy seven.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Nasty run.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
That's not how they talked about Adrian Peterson after that season.
Oh he's going to the Hall of Fame, He's going
to can It's wait and see.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
We'll see.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Nowadays, if you have a couple of good years, what
they do is they.

Speaker 7 (38:34):
Started in college. If you have a tremendous.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
College career, you come into the league and have two years,
they're already putting you in the Hall.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Of Fame in football.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
In football, they're already putting you in the Hall of Fame.
And I believe Joe Burrow is a good enough quarterback
to be in the Hall of Fame. Still got time.
They're still tying Lamar Jackson. I mean, I think he's
a Hall of Famer. I mean, throw that out there now.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
But to your.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Point, he's still If he got hurt today, that's for
Baltimore and La Marns family. If he got heard today,
he wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, right. It
would be one of the tracking that way. It would
be one of those situations like Stirling Shark where your
brother would have to get on the podcast and then
lobby for you for seven years and eventually you get in.
So it's just the era we live in. Everything is

(39:19):
immediate gratification. Everything is right now. I want it now,
now now.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
But dude, when you look at a schedule and I
don't want to play the wins loss this game on
an NFL schedule or even a collegiate schedule, you can
guess how many wins they may have but you don't
even know. I mean, you don't even know what the
other team looks like yet.

Speaker 9 (39:36):
Okay, but do you look at a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Is that where your attention immediately goes when you think
about okay, whoever your favorite football team may be, You're
looking down, You're going, Oh, they got to play this queue.
They gotta play that queue, they gotta play I don't
I guess I don't look at it that way.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
I look at a quarterback. I look at a quarterback
in the defense, like when you look at the Roston.
When I'm looking at my schedule, all right, cool, season
is about Oh, schedule comes out, it's May who were
playing this year? Damn, we gotta play Baltimore. Lamar's gonna
give us fits. Oh yes, you do look like that.
Or we gotta play the Bucks. That defensive line, my god,

(40:13):
mix with Baker. That's how you look at it. So
it's fair to look at the schedule and see the
first six games of the season that the Lions have
and say that's a gallt. But what people fail to realize,
what people aren't paying attention to, is that's the mindset
of the same old Lions. Like that's the mindset of
what the Lions have been in the past, which is
a team you didn't trust, which is a team that
you didn't think could win the Big Game, which is

(40:34):
a team you didn't think could go on the road
in Kansas City after they won the Super Bowl and
beat the Chiefs. They did that, like they don't. That's
an old mentality of what the Lions used to do.
The Lions aren't that team anymore. Lions are one of
the best teams in the NFL. So what you gotta
do is you gotta start looking at your team like
the team that you say they are. You gotta look
at the team like all the hype and all the

(40:55):
players that they draft, and you get excited and man,
I'm a Saint Browne and Jamo Wood. Well you have
to feel that way when you look at the schedule, too.
You can't look at the schedule and get so caught
up in how good the Chiefs are or the Ravens
are that you forget how good your team was last year.
Because last time I checked fifteen and two was it
is that when the Lyons went and then they improved

(41:15):
this offseason. So stop looking at it from the standpoint
your team is the old Lions and you're going against
these new Juggernuts. News flash, your team is one of
the jugger nut right.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
That's a hard thing for us to grasp because we've
gone through so much agony, so much disappointment and frustration.
It's really hard for us to understand now that when
other teams, when other fan bases are looking at their
NFL schedule of their favorite team and they see the
Lions on the schedule, what are they thinking, Oh my god,

(41:47):
we got to play one of the best teams in
the NFL. We've just never been in that position before.
So what's we're novices in this regard. We're trying to
get our brains trained to that. We are used to
that with some of the great teams that we've covered,
whether it be the Pistons back in the day, the
Red Wings back in the day to a certain extent.
But now, you know, think about what sports Talk radio

(42:08):
think about what we're doing here in other markets, just
not as well because they don't have Braylan's breakdown. But
when you go into those other markets, what are they saying,
They're going, all right, this week.

Speaker 9 (42:17):
We got to play the Lions. The only how are
we going to stop that offense?

Speaker 6 (42:21):
If somebody wanted to say, Okay, hey we got to
go into Kansas City, I get it. Arrow, here's a
tough place to play. Well, we've won there. They weren't
fully loada but we won there. Arrow, here's a tough
place to play. They have to go back to Baltimore.
We know what happens to NFC teams in Baltimore.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
Yeah, they don't win.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
And it's not one of those they don't win like
it's fourteen and six, it's eighteen to zip. It's eighteen
and zero. Is what he is against NFC teams. So
I understand that. But the Bucks have to come here.
As good as that Bucks defensive line is a Baker
Mayfield and offensive weapons. Guess where they have to come
for freaking field.

Speaker 9 (42:56):
Although they'll tell you, yeah, but we won there, I'm.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
Just true they have.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
But I'm simply saying, like, if you want to talk
about those two in Row, that's fine. Some of those
teams have to come here and play in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
The point is, when all those people are playing their
schedule games, when they get to their team against Detroit,
there's a little nervous shake there. Do I put a
w or an l Don't kid yourself.

Speaker 9 (43:19):
That's what people are thinking right now in Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
We got to open up. Great. We're opening up at home.
That's awesome. I can't wait to put the cheese head on.
That's gonna be great. But you know who we gotta play.
We got to play the Lions, and that's not easy.
This is not the same Lions teams that play Brett
Farvin company.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
And that's the cool thing about this is not the same.
First of all, this is not the same Detroit Lions
team they played last year because they changed offensive coordinator,
they change the defensive coordinator, they changed some players.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
I know that doesn't mean and they're healthy. But the
thing that.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
We talk about is that, oh were they How we
talk about it as a negative. They change the offensive coordinator.
Here's the positive side of things. Teams look at you
in the offseason when you have success. The teams have
been scouting the alliances Johnson started cooking in twenty twenty
two and twenty three. They were scouting the Lions waiting.
They were ready for whatever Ben Johnson was gonna be
this year.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
He's gone. Now it's Johnny Moll now you know what
defensive coordinators have to think about. Hmm.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
They gotta go back to twenty twenty two and see
what the Lions do in twenty two.

Speaker 7 (44:15):
What did it look like in.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Twenty two or when he was the OCLA Jets.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
One of saying, guess what this is the Jets and
this ain't twenty two. Much more talent, it's much more
congruency and in chemistry. That this team has a lot of
teams in that first six games. This could be the
upside for the Lions. Teams are gonna get surprised. They're
gonna have a excuse me, They'll have a couple of
weeks to get a head start before teams start to
pay attention to the rhythm and the cadence.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
That is Johnny Moe's offense.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
That plays for the Lions, That plays to the wide
receiver that they told me had the best training camp
and is the most improved player on the Detroit Lions,
Jamison Williams. That plays to the third wide receiver. Who congratulations,
you called it. Isaac Tesla's now your third wide receiver.
Tim Patrick no longer here, that plays to Tesla. Does
it look like with Jamiir Gibbs in the slot or

(45:02):
split on why while Dave Montgomery's in the backfield.

Speaker 7 (45:04):
Are they running screens?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Are they gonna get a ball to Demo or Jamir
Gibbs is And that's what I mean, a lot more,
you know than.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
The samlor Port off Have you heard of him? So
I think I get it. It's going to be interesting
in the first six weeks though, because I think they
will have the jump on a bunch of teams they
don't know what this offense is going to be.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
Kol No.

Speaker 11 (45:23):
I was gonna say, and you know what you can
still say.

Speaker 10 (45:26):
David Montgomery he had his best pass catching year of
his career right here with the Detroit Lions, and he
added a lot because when he came in, teams thought
they're just running the ball. That play action got them
every single time. And he's out the backfield.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, I don't think he flexed as much as Jamiir
Gibbs is going to flex this show, Oh not at all.
That's the difference. Like, because of Gibbs's speed, He's so talented.
Because of his speed, you can literally play him like
he's a slot receiver. And I think that's what Braylen
might have been referring to in the you know, the
opportunities that that Morton had more than anything else. With

(46:01):
all that said, Brad Holmes has come out and said
earlier today he has not had active discussions, active talks
with Zadaria Smith.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
The more.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
This takes place, or the longer this goes, the less
likely I feel he becomes a member of the Lions.
And I don't know if that's because of the Lions,
because of Zadarias Smith, the lack of want to the
fact that you know he's thirty two and he can retire.
I don't know exactly what it is, but my feeling
was really strong two weeks ago. My spider senses right

(46:37):
now are not very high on Zadaria Smith wearing the
Honolulu Blue and silver.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Again.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
I agree Peter Parker, I definitely agree. I think that
that might be, but it I don't think it's a
bad thing.

Speaker 7 (46:48):
I don't know. Maybe I'm optimistic brailing today. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
This is all black and he shouted backboards. They got
me being optimistic, Brailan. Maybe they don't need them. Maybe
it's us, Maybe it's us looking at what the defensive
line was last year. Maybe it's us looking at who
didn't play last year and then looking at if they
could just get somebody to come off the edge to
help Hutch on the other side and help Talat Williams
in the middle, they'll be so good. I think it's

(47:12):
us wanting more depth. I think it's us wanting to
have some security blankets, just to have the most players
that we can have at that position. If they're fine,
what not? Bringing to Darius Smith, if there's been no conversation,
which he says there hasn't, maybe they believe they're fine.
Maybe they've seen enough out of this defensive line. Maybe
they've seen enough out of the ghost of Marcus Davenport

(47:34):
where they're like, no, we're good, Like I think we're
locked up.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, so you bring up Marcus Davenport. I'm glad you did,
because when you know, if you were getting the Marcus
Davenport of twenty twenty one, that'd be great. He's never
played a full season. Yeah, he's always four years ago too. Yeah,
and that is four years ago. Here's my concern. We
had this conversation on know, maybe it was last week
or something we have we've lit, or maybe it was

(47:57):
earlier this week labeled certain decision makers in organizations based
on bad moves.

Speaker 9 (48:04):
I brought up joj mar I brought up Alavila.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Okay, the Lions have plenty of them, and that's all
you can really look at. Brad Holmes has been so
good at what he's done. My fear is heath this
Davenport belief. And that's that's an assumption on our part
because if you're not signing Zadarius Smith as quickly as

(48:27):
we want him to, then we're assuming that he believes
Marcus Davenport is really going to help them, knowing that
he's never really had a full season. Do you think
people will use this season as a way to re
at least part of the remembering of Brad Holmes as

(48:48):
a general manager. Remember, davidm. Broski is a really good
general manager with the Tigers, But what does everybody say
he didn't help the back end of the bullpen. If
the Lions don't win a Super Bowl at Holmes is
gonna be the guy that never addressed the opposite edge
rusher of Aiden Hutchinson because he believed too much In
twenty twenty five in an injured player like Marcus Davenport.

Speaker 7 (49:11):
Two things can be true. Look Brown, for brow Holmes,
his move has to work.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
They this move has to work Marcus Davenport, Like Marcus
Davenport cannot go out there and have a year like
he had last year. And you know what I mean
by that. Yeah, he can't go out there and like
I had a year like that he did the year before.
So it's gotta work. If it doesn't work, then yeah,
people are gonna use that. And it would be fair
if they don't bring into Daria Smith. If it doesn't
work with Marcus Davenport and you didn't prepare the defensive
line to have another player or another weapon, or to

(49:38):
have a guy that we didn't even need those two,
then that's something that they could use. But I think
it would be more local than national. I don't think
it'd be the national scene because the national scene will
still see the draft of twenty three the players he's
drafted in the last four years. You know how the
Lions have taken the jump due to a large part
of those draft picks that he's made, So I think
the national scene won't crucify him. I think it be

(50:00):
a local thing. Well, that's that's kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Considering again to your point, I mean, Davenport played just
two games, have one start last year. They're relying on
guys who have just not been reliable. I mean, that's
as easy as you can say it. Relying on guys
who just haven't been reliable. And I do worry how
people are starting to perceive him a little bit, even

(50:23):
though he has been fantastic for the most part.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
Whytting mess is why do you worry about how people
perceive rounds?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Because I think he's the best general manager of the
franchise has ever had are I think he has built
something in this city that we've never experienced at the
people from my generation on, I think's he's built something
that can make us proud. And I do believe he
has built this team for a long haul that allows

(50:52):
this team to compete for championships, division, conference and.

Speaker 9 (50:58):
Hopefully Super Bowls as well well.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
And I don't like remembering people based on one bad move,
But let's face it, you and I both feel like
this team. And he's come out and said, and so's
Dan Campbell, that this is the best team they've ever
broken camp with. If that's the case, and they don't
get to a super Bowl, knowing that they were half
away two years ago, and knowing that they had home

(51:21):
field throughout last year and didn't take advantage.

Speaker 9 (51:24):
Of those opportunities.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
This is just would be a third consecutive season of
not having something that's in their favor. Two years ago,
they had the Niners beat in Frisco and let it
slip away. Last year, home field throughout, let it slip
away this year. A chance to get a guy who believes,

(51:46):
we believe wants to be here, fits in well with
the culture. You've got money, and you've got a roster spot,
and it's not being done.

Speaker 7 (51:56):
Here's what I will add to that.

Speaker 6 (51:58):
I think we'll hurt Brad Holmes and his situation if
this doesn't work out.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
The key word is if. If.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
If this doesn't work out, if Marcus Davenport doesn't play
more than four or five games, if they don't signs
the day smith, if they don't have it right in.
What will hurt Brad Holmes is the fact that he
came out and he trolled the Detroit fan base. I
don't understand why they're so focused on a rush in.
I don't understand why they're so focused on me picking

(52:25):
up a rush in or remember him trolling, remember him
having that comment and making that stand. If you say
that and it doesn't work, now we got to go
back and be like, hey, you're up there being funny
as hell.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
It ain't so sweet right.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
Now, and I'm using it ain't. For a fact, it's
not so sweet right now. Where those jokes at Right now,
you can't get to the quarterback right now, Josh Allen's
destroying you.

Speaker 7 (52:45):
And I mean that means you had to get to the
super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
But if it doesn't work, that could be the part
that hurts him is because he came out trolling the
fan base on that same same exact position, which is
the right end or a rush edge. If it doesn't work,
that's the part I think we'll buy him in the butt.

Speaker 10 (53:06):
And I was one of those people two years ago
that was screaming for an usher. I thought they did
so that they can go into this playoffs and actually
win a game or two.

Speaker 11 (53:16):
And a lot of us, the vocal majority, and it
was a.

Speaker 14 (53:19):
Lot of people you said this last year, you're saying
two years ago, two years ago, if there was a
lot of us who believed going into that trade deadline,
they needed to do something, and the most they did
was Uncle Bruce servants shout out because he had one
of the most impactful sacks of that season.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
But we all thought he didn't do enough, and he
stepped to the podium and he has some cheeky things
to say then too.

Speaker 11 (53:35):
I remember it.

Speaker 10 (53:36):
He said, we have enough already to make to do
what we think we can do this year.

Speaker 11 (53:40):
And what actually wound up happening.

Speaker 10 (53:43):
They beat and blew through everybody's expectations to the point
that there were twenty minutes away from a Super Bowl out.
Did they let it slip through some other things? Yes,
but to me not because they didn't have the other
uh you know, booking tackle or edge rusher.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I still we've already gone, we've gone, We've gone.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Through this though.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
How many teams do right, how many teams in the
past have had them. That's that was the question that
we you know, the homework assignment, and we're still looking
for that now. It could be both. It could be
Bosa and mac Okay with the Chargers, but they didn't
get there. So who is the team out there that

(54:22):
has I'll call it a luxury, the luxury of having
two elite defensive ends.

Speaker 9 (54:29):
Can you answer that.

Speaker 7 (54:32):
Is an elite or is it serviceable?

Speaker 6 (54:34):
Though, because they haven't had a serviceable rush in yeah,
your Bonds and Darius Smith last year and halfway point
they a gave four and a half sacks. It looked
okay at best. Last year they don't have a serviceable guy.
I think you don't have to have a star. But
I think the problem for Brad Holmes and Detroit Lions
is in this four years, this is five now, they
haven't had a serviceable guy on the other side. The

(54:56):
only player on the other side that has done anything
of note, what will the guy that got drafted the
same year as Aid and Hudson had the same amount
of sex and they got hurt.

Speaker 11 (55:05):
James Houston.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
James Houston. James Houston only got on the right side
that had a service amount of sex. He had what
eight and a half as a Lion on the right side.

Speaker 7 (55:14):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
So I think it's not about having another star and
that you're gonna have to pay a ton of money
to like Trey Henderson next year, who will be available.
We'll get into that though. It's about having a guy that's.

Speaker 10 (55:24):
Serviceable on the other But That's why I do bring
up the two years ago because I wonder how much
of that is Brad resting on that and then last
year saying, oh, we got decimated with injuries that had
nothing to do with if I got that booking Edge
Rusher or not, because two years ago they blew through
expectations without getting that.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
But they did get that book from ed Rusher last
year and what where did it get them?

Speaker 7 (55:45):
Well?

Speaker 11 (55:46):
Got injured though, So yeah, but you just.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
You just said he was talking about the injuries. Okay,
So is it are the injuries used as.

Speaker 9 (55:53):
An excuse or or what?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I mean? I don't think he used the injuries as
an excuse. I mean, it happens, right and two that point,
I don't know how many is enough? All right? But
everybody uses the Philadelphia Eagles as the example, right, and
I do too, because Philly won the Super Bowl. Usually
when a team wins a Super Bowl or any type
of championship, everybody's measured against them. They're measured against the Dodgers,
everybody's being measured against Oklahoma City. Right, people are gonna

(56:18):
be measured against the Florida Panthers. We get that. Those
are the most recent champions they had. Do you know
how many more sacks Philadelphia had than Detroit last year?

Speaker 9 (56:27):
For correct forty one to thirty seven.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
That was actually a guess, By the way, that was
very good.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Next time, just act like you know it, because you
look like you knew it, and you were right. Forty
one sacks for Philly third. Now we can pick apart
stats all we want, because I think quarterback pressures are important,
I think quarterback hits are important. I think turnovers are important,
all those things that make you a better defense. But
if we're talking about sacks and that's what we want
from the opposite guy playing with Aiden Hutchinson, then Detroit

(56:57):
wasn't that far off, And which goes to your argument
that if you get a guy like Zadarias Smith who
gave you four and a half a year ago, or
if you got a guy like Jadavian Clowney, who gave
that crappy Carolina team five and a half nine and
a half the year before in Baltimore, then you feel
like your situation is cured.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
Be careful, we're looking at those stat numbers because, like
I bought up before, the reason why they had so
many cracks and sacks is because every team last year
was throwing the ball from the second quarter through the
rest of the game. So when you're dropping back forty
five times a game for seventeen weeks, you're gonna have
a lot of opportunities.

Speaker 7 (57:32):
To get sacks.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
So they did get sacks, but the offense allowed their
defense to have those opportunities.

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Yeah, it's a good point, really good point. We'll get
to some in the chat. We got some super chats
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Speaker 7 (57:48):
Tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Tomorrow? Tomorrow?

Speaker 11 (57:49):
He'll be on tomorrow tomorrow, Okay, Yeah, we got a
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Speaker 7 (57:57):
He'll be on tomorrow.

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The injury settlement allows him to get back on the
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the same look that a couple of guys had in
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a party and you know, I smelled some weird stuff
going on, glossy eyed. I'm not saying he did it.
I'm just saying, glossy.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Eyed look familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
It did.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I was perusing just like you, NFL dot com, and
I love lists. I love rankings. I'm sure you guys
do too. So they come out with their top one
hundred players, and all I want to do is, I
just want to see where Lions are at, right, and
then I like to see if there's a guy in
there that I think is it's an absolute farce. So

(01:07:58):
NFL dot Com comes out and they have reached their
top twenty, number twenty being so number twenty is aman Ross.
Here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
We talked about a little bit yesterday, So that's that.
Talk about a little bit yesterday. In the sense of this.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
I listened the eleven people before him, and I was
kind of messing around. I say, is this player better
than I'm right? It's this player that I'm right. And
I got all the way down to twenty one, and
there was only one player on that list that people
said was better than I'm ron. So everyone above him,
they say, excuse me? Behind him, they say, rightfully, So
with the exception of Max Carsby the.

Speaker 9 (01:08:31):
Yeah, Max, Max Cross, he probably should be higher than that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
He's an absolute peace. They have Jalen Hurts at nineteen,
which there's a part of me, not that I have
any loyalty to Jalen Hurts. I do think he's under
rated and probably deserves more credit than he gets, but
I'm glad they've got him there. Then it's Derek Stingley Junior,
he's the corner for Houston. Then it's Dexter Lawrence, who's

(01:08:54):
I think underrated. He's a defensive tackle, absolute menace inside.
Sixteen Fred Warner one of my favorite linebackers. Jared goff
Is fifteen. Okay, fourteen is trade.

Speaker 7 (01:09:06):
Hendrickson just got pay just one to one year deal.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
It just got Yeah he has. Yeah, there's the thirty
one million dollars he's going to make this year. It's
not an extension, but you've phrased it perfectly. He's getting paid.
It's like Alex Angeloni. Yeah, okay, except the thirty one
million is a hell of a lot more than Alex Azelon.
He's getting. It's it's a bump on what he should

(01:09:32):
have been getting based on.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
His statistics, and both of them it's the same exact thing.
You know what this is, Hey, we appreciate the work
you've done. You won't be here next year, Bingo, you
won't be here next percent.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
So I think you were the first person to tell
me this, and I think you said it two weeks ago,
maybe three. I expect the Lions to take a linebacker
next year. And I'm like, what are you.

Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
Thinking about taking a linebacker already for?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
And you said, because that exactly example, all right, So
they're going to have to do that. And it's another
reason why I think Jack Campbell is so very important too.
I love the guy. I think he's a really good player.
I think he's gonna have a big year. I think
terry On Arnold is gonna have a big year. All
those things. Anyway, So Trey Hendrickson's fourteen, I've always liked him.

(01:10:17):
I think he's a hell of a player, and I
think he might even be rated a little bit lower
than he should be. Penny Sewell's thirteen, and I think
that is awesome. Look at the tweet if we can
from Woodward Sports earlier. Yeah, thirteenth best player in the NFL.

(01:10:38):
This is by players. I would remind people, this is
not the media. This is players breaking down various other players.
That is mad respect. As you know, did they have
this while you were playing, asking your opinion of other
players and where you would rank them, or how how

(01:10:58):
did they go about that?

Speaker 7 (01:10:59):
Do you know first of all, like, I'm offended that
you think I'm that old.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Well you're only forty two.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
I'm offended that you think I played in the sixties.
I was out there with Paul Horney, you know, run around,
know the dame in the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 9 (01:11:10):
No, did you catch passes from Bart Starr?

Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
And here you go and here you go. Yes, they
had this. It still was new at the time to
your point, but they did have this. And it is
tremendous respect. You know, they give you the list, they
give you the sheet, the name of the players. You
do it on the day where no one wants to
do it, but they find the day during you know,
I think it's mini camp or whatever it is. And
you fill out the list and you fill yours out

(01:11:34):
and they do the average and do the talies. But
it's a tremendous sign of respect. These guys aren't out
there just lobbying for the homeboys. Guys aren't in there
just because we're in the same locker because we're friends,
because we're boys. I'm gonna go ahead, I put you
on this list. I'm gonna put on this list who
I think belongs on this list. And I'm gonna put
them where I believe they belong, and I think Plaine
Sue belongs at thirteen. I think they realized that from

(01:11:55):
the time he entered the league. From the time he
entered the league.

Speaker 7 (01:11:58):
He was a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
They put him at a position that wasn't even his
fell in love with the position, and you know the game,
everyone knows the game. Where the league was put on Notice,
there's a man in this NFL that just retired a
couple of years ago that everyone was scared of.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
His name was Aaron Donald.

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
Fifty eight was not And I think from that moment
on it allowed people to watch him more, pay attention
to more, and you see him and you.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
See the way he mauls people, destroys people.

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
Also when he speaks, every once in a while, he's
saying things, let you know he's trying to work on
his game. Like last year what he said going into
the season, he said, Man, I want to be more
of a leader, you know, I want to take on
some of that leadership roll. This is who I want
to be ahead of the twenty twenty four season. So
Panee is a dog and the league realized that, And
I'm glad the league realizes it. I wish the Cowboys
realized that somebody from Pena's class is also a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I want to get to that here in a moment.
Let me just give you some eye popping numbers. Tenny
Sewell played forty four snaps one thousand, one hundred and
forty four snaps. He allowed one sack. Wow, Okay, Now,
Lane Johnson people and people in Philly would tell you

(01:13:10):
Lane Johnson didn't allow any. Okay, and that's fine. It's
a great debate. I love that stuff. I love the
pride people have.

Speaker 6 (01:13:16):
For who looked at the film to come up with
those numbers. Because then I watched a couple of Lanes
games last year. Yeah, you're those things.

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
Was like, we're not gonna blame that on Lane, but exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:13:27):
It's like, what shouldn't that have been an air?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
You want to keep you, You want to keep the.

Speaker 9 (01:13:31):
No hitter alive. So well, we're gonna give the guy
you know this, that and the other thing here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
I know you're not. The other is According to Pro
Football Focus, he allowed pressure on eight percent of his
pass blocking snaps. That is sixteenth lowest among right tackles
with two hundred minimum two hundred pass blocking snaps. Okay,
he is elite period. You could argue he's the best
player this franchise has right now. Aiden Hutchinson's and the discussion.

(01:14:01):
Again my personal feeling. Brian Branch a big fan, but
they're in that discussion. It's fun to have. One of
the things the players talked about with Penne Soul that
made him elite is his athleticism. Freakie, and I wanted
to know from you. We always look at athletes as fast, strong,

(01:14:23):
all these his footwork, his hips and his ability to
use at his size, his speed and quickness, it's got
to be something that jumps out to you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
Yeah, this is all respect.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
This is all respect when I say this, and don't
try to cut the clip and make it a certain
way and say a certain thing, because it is not
that the Polynesian community is just different.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
They are absolutely different.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
Every Polynesian teammate, whether it's tonguing, whether it's someone that
I play with, they are built different. They can do
things with their body and they just never get hurt.
Like I saw my guy from I Got Ice with
the forty nine ers as he did the hakka before
the game started. He would just do things in the
game and you're like, it's no way your ACL isn't
blown out, Like it's no way that you were able

(01:15:10):
allowed to do that. And you're you don't have a
concussion or your neck is still standing on your shoulders
if you will, it's just different, you know. And he's
he falls right in line with that. The things you
see him doing in terms of his lateral movement, he
could play left guard if you wanted to. Remember we
talked about the left guard, the movement, he would be
a damn good left guard. You talked about his other
he'd be a good tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Like if Dan Campbell said that, he said, I truly
believe if I had him at tight end, he would
be a Hall of Fame tight end.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
And that's and that's what catches these ends off guard
because they're not used to the athleticism. They're not used
to a guy at six five three point thirty being
able to move like that when they put certain moves
on you. It's how I got him with the move
it's ober damn. How'd he get back to me? How
did he recover? How's he in this space? How was
he able to slide his feet in such a way,
so he still got a chip and Jared was able

(01:15:58):
to escape.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
I had a bunch of teams, Siony Pool when I
played for the New York Jets, like just one.

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
Of those guys, just ridiculous strength.

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
And oh, by the way, he was three forty and
he could run for eight Like stuff is legendary.

Speaker 9 (01:16:13):
I remember covering Helodi Nada when he was here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
What and.

Speaker 6 (01:16:18):
Oregon two thousand and three or two and Ozero. Chris
Perry is on the cover of Sports Illustrated. This is
the best Michigan team that I was on, Like my
junior year was the best team I was on. We're excited,
we're going out to play Oregon. Nobody cared about Oregon.
I ain't cared about Kellen Clemens. Noo ay, cared about
Mike Batti. Nobody cared about Otson Stadium in the middle

(01:16:40):
of nowhere in Oregon. And this this this state that's
stuck in the sixties, if you will, when you drive
up on campus. As a snapshot, we could not move
the ball. Chris Perry came into the game as the
number one rusher in the country.

Speaker 7 (01:16:55):
He actually was fourth in the Heisman.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
Let you know how good that year was negative six
yards Chris Perry had against that game. You know who
was the nose tackling that game? Yeah, it was none
other than he and he was just different in uh
Igor Oldashansky, Yeah, a Detroit lion.

Speaker 7 (01:17:12):
But Helodi was different well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
And a super nice guy when I covered him. But
when I say this, understand I'm talking about the body
as dense as human being as I've ever seen. Like
you felt like you were going to run into a wall.
Viti Vado was a little like that right in Tampa.
And another guy another Samoan. So to your point with that,

(01:17:34):
I do, I do want to get to this and
so I think it's I think it's great for Sewall.

Speaker 7 (01:17:38):
Just why WW use them so much? They understand about.

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
Well true, but it had to start somewhere with Team
make High Ti my va older events saw that athleticism
back in the seventies.

Speaker 7 (01:17:52):
He had never seen anything like Chief.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
Was like, oh yeah, we need you in the w
W and everybody that's a part of your try which
and it's still going.

Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
They never saw the athleticism like that.

Speaker 10 (01:18:03):
That's what makes Dan Campbell's comments just to expand a
little bit on what shell was talking about Dan Campbell's
saying that he would be a that Pine Sue would
be a Hall of Fame tight end. He says he
is a freakish athlete, just nimble athletic, that he can
do it all. Then he names these players we got
Aminara Saint Brown, Jamis Williams, DeMier Gibbs.

Speaker 11 (01:18:20):
But Pinay is very much part of that.

Speaker 10 (01:18:22):
He allows us to do so much schematically, man, and
it's dope to hear Dan Campbell be able to talk
that openly and honestly at that elevating of a Pine
Suel who we already know to be one of the dominant,
the most dominant offensive lineman. But because of athleticism what
you've been able to expound on, Dan Campbell believes that
he can be even that much more.

Speaker 11 (01:18:41):
He got people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
I'll tell you we don't. We don't give lineman enough
credit for how athletic they are. We we view the
athletes on the football field and I get it, you know,
because we're in awe of your speed and your side.
We're an awe of running back should bid to move
and weren't off of how quickly linebackers and safeties and

(01:19:05):
corners can break on the ball, and yet we seem
to forget sometime like Jerry Ball when he played for
that dude was he was a lot faster than your thought. Okay,
there are guys who play offensive line and defensive line
that will outside of Braylin, that'll beat us all on
a race and won't have it'll be easy doing it,

(01:19:27):
and they.

Speaker 6 (01:19:27):
Might be me now it's because it's because you'll never
get an opportunity to see an extended play to where
they can showcase the athleticism. Very rarely do you get
a play like resting please Larry Allen where you see
Larry Allen chase down on the backside and make the
tackle before the guy gets into the endzone. Very rarely
do you get a chance to see an offensive lineman

(01:19:48):
in that space.

Speaker 9 (01:19:49):
Money Dawson back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
So good.

Speaker 6 (01:19:52):
So you don't get a chance to see that, So
you don't think anything. Oh he's a big three hundred
pound guy. He just blocks the quarterback and move too far.

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
Ye no, no, no, no, no, no. I told you about
Sean a different side of the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
But Sean Rodgers, Oh, I'm telling you, man, that's why
when like when Bobby Ross was here and he was preaching,
I got to find somebody who blocks out the sun.
They get Aaron Gibson from Wisconsinson, who was a mammoth
of a human being. Okay, but he was one of
those guys who couldn't run very well. And I think
that oftentimes that label sticks with these guys. And I

(01:20:25):
think that's a great point by you suggesting that we're
only watching them for a short period of time. As
soon as Jamiir Gibbs hits the hole, we're watching him
take off. We're not watching Sewell pin down and take
that d tackle or DN and pancake because we're watching
twenty six now zero go to the house.

Speaker 10 (01:20:44):
And sometimes they do. You see Piney literally moving grown
men up the field.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Oh yeah, it's constant. It's constant with him.

Speaker 7 (01:20:53):
I'm glad you said men, because men is the plural
form of man. Like you see.

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
Pine's see legitimately at least ten players a game where
here's one block on this guy, here's a second block
on this guy, here's a third chip.

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
On this guy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
How many I've seen do at least ten players a
game where he's getting three people and allowing the play
to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
When you can get to that next level. You know,
when he takes one guy, moves him out of the way,
knows when to disengage, then get to the next locate
that guy, then move him the way he's supposed to. To me,
it's one of the it's one of the more amazing
things I think the game of football provides us.

Speaker 9 (01:21:32):
We just don't pay attention to it nearly as much
I will.

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
I was just say because it has no fantasy point value.
It has no it has no drafting season value. Nothing
that he does is gonna fix your bet or nothing
he does is gonna fit well, it'll effective not directly though,
you're not looking at him like, okay, how can Pene
help this fantasy football situation?

Speaker 9 (01:21:55):
They can let up and all that stuff, and that's
when you pay attention.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Yeah, he's overrated. When we come back, though, I do
want to talk about a guy who was big and
strong and played interior but isn't feeling the love from Detroit.
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Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
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Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
I do love the chat and a super chat from
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Brad now has a verbal agreement with a guy like
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(01:30:26):
would have guessed something would have been a little bit
more about that, But God knows, we would rather have
that they need to. We'll sign Zaderia Smith contingent upon
and injury to a defensive end if that occurs. I
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(01:30:50):
thinking the numbers that you gave me last week, and
that is fourteen. I think you said fourteen to twenty.

Speaker 9 (01:30:58):
In other words, how many snaps are these guys going to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Be responsible for? Yeah, and if it's fourteen to twenty,
it shouldn't be that hard. And you've got financial wiggle
room here. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out
whether it's a it's gonna be a fit or not.
If they don't, if they don't feel like Zadarius Smith,
it's worth the money he's asking for.

Speaker 9 (01:31:18):
I have no problem with the lines moving on, none whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
I just think at some point, knowing you have a
roster spot open, you want to fill it with somebody,
and at sometime, at some point, that time is gonna
run out. The sands in the hourglass are gonna run
out because your first game is next week and you've
got to get him acclimated. Now, maybe you don't feel
like that's necessarily the case, but there, if you're gonna

(01:31:41):
make that move, my hope is that it's gonna be
done pretty quick so they can come in and be
a contributor from day one.

Speaker 6 (01:31:46):
This is true, but I think what his Detroit Lions
team is. You know, whoever comes in here, he's probably
not gonna play we one. And if he does play
we want, it'd be even limited STAPs from fourteen to twenty.
It may be ten snaps, if you will. I don't
think they want to rush just to fill us by.
I don't think they want to rush just to put
somebody on that spot. Feel it, now, this isn't the
person you want, and now you got to rework it in.

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
A couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:32:07):
I think they're just gonna leave the spot and be
with the spot and wait for the player that they
need in that spot. You know, you don't need that
player we want. I would be perfectly fine as there
wasn't on his roster and we won and they had
the spot open.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
I don't have a problem with them having an open spot.
I really don't.

Speaker 7 (01:32:22):
I mean Brad Holmes actimation period though.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Yeah, right, but Brad Holmes said, I think we only
broke camp last year. We didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:32:29):
We didn't break camp with all fifty three.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Just because you get fifty three, you don't dress fifty
three on Sundays. Yeah, Okay. The issue we have is,
you know, if you've got a guy like who's the
guy they just picked up Wheat two from from Dallas.

Speaker 9 (01:32:45):
These guys are they're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Go back and forth between being active and non active on.

Speaker 7 (01:32:51):
Sun They're nothing burgers for lack of a better word.
But it's nothing murger.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Yeah, they're guys who are hopefully they help you in
a surprise, but based on what we've seen from them
in their first two years, maybe a small sample size,
we can't expect that much of them. That is not
the solution. It's like I said about Hasani. If you
think a six round draft pick, it's going to be
the savior At the other defensive end position than Aiden Hutchets.

Speaker 9 (01:33:16):
You have been paying attention to football very long. It's
just not gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
I appreciate Brad Holmes and always being able to go
back to it will work, like I appreciate him, but
sticking his course. Look, he has his he has his
foundation of who he is. He has the identity of
who he is as a GM. He what he's been
to the Detroit a liance, what he's going to be
to this NFL team, I mean, to this league. However,
sometimes just because you did something last year the year
before the year before, like you have to change, you

(01:33:42):
have to tweak certain things, and you can't get caught
up and doing because we did it last year, because
in my estimation, last year you didn't win the super Bowl.
Last year, didn't want a playoff game. The year before that,
you didn't get to the super Bowl. So you can
keep talking about what you did last year, what we did.
Sometimes you just find some tweaks for certain things that
don't work. Because until you win the super Bowl, which
is the go, you can't always.

Speaker 7 (01:34:03):
Say well we did this, so, oh we did this.

Speaker 6 (01:34:05):
Right now, the only people that can say we did
that are he was and the Chiefs, and technically the
Chiefs lost last year, so they can't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Let me ask you this question. A guy like in
DOMINICANSU would be a really good fit for any team,
but especially Detroit in this situation that they're in right
now because Lee McNeil is out. Not that I would
want to bring him out of retirement, but when they
drafted him out of Nebraska, I thought it was a
phenomenal pick. He proved out to be a phenomenal player
for the Lions. Whether people liked him or not from

(01:34:33):
his personality, bat standpoint or certain actions, I don't care.
The dude showed up, practiced hard every day, played hard
every Sunday, all right. Five years in Detroit, four times,
a Pro bowler twice, he was All Pro First Team.
He was a wrecking machine. But he did go on
and he did end up playing in Tampa, and he

(01:34:54):
played in Miami, and he played for the Rams, and
he played a year in Philadelphia. I don't know if
people remember him more as a Lion than anything else,
since he won a Super Bowl elsewhere. However, I think
because the Lion's drafted him because he had his best
seasons in Detroit. People view him long term as a
Detroit Lion. This is what he had to say on

(01:35:16):
the I.

Speaker 10 (01:35:17):
Think It's her Up and Adams Show with Adams, what's
that up and Adams?

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
So thank you? Yeah Adams. The Kay Adams Podcast she
had him on Good Guest and some interesting comments made
by Dominican Sue. Listen to this in case you missed it.

Speaker 17 (01:35:31):
Your bid for your Hall of Fame twenty twenty eight.
Have they talked to you about retiring as a Lion.

Speaker 18 (01:35:38):
There's been no discussion, So it's I don't know what
the relationship is going to be like with that one
in the future, but I know I've got a great
relationship with the Philadelphia Eagles, which I spent an amazing
year there as well as in the Tampa Bay Bucks.
So ultimately, I mean there's a lot of teams that
are out there that still love me.

Speaker 17 (01:35:58):
But I feel like you're close with Dan Campbell, right,
you think the Vines don't love you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
And you have to ask them, Well, I'll leave it
at this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I don't necessarily feel them life.

Speaker 17 (01:36:11):
Well, is that something that we can work on? I
feel like that got work done with another Hall of Famer.

Speaker 7 (01:36:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (01:36:15):
I'm just thinking, like, you won your defensive Rookie of
the Year, you won three All pros in Detroit. If
I if I I would want you to retire there,
what do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
I've decided on anything of that nature.

Speaker 18 (01:36:28):
I mean, I think I'd be open to a discussion.
But as you mentioned, I think you're speaking of Barry
Sanders and probably.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Yeah, she she doesn't, she doesn't even know Barry Sanders.
She's bringing up Calvin Johnson. It's but it's it's it's
it was well done to lead him down that path.
Uh and thanks to the use of that a good
job by kool aid Kay Adams in the podcast. The
reason there was still picture is because you want to
make sure you're you're handling all the broadcast rights properly. Anyway,

(01:37:00):
I'm confused at the love aspect. I think it's just hilarious.

Speaker 9 (01:37:06):
They just had him in camp, did they not?

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
He visited camp? The follow up question I would have,
as a member of the Detroit media and a little
bit of a smartass, is what does the love look
like for you? What is it you're looking for? Do
you think you should be in the Lion's den, the
Ring of Honor, the right away should you have your

(01:37:33):
number retire. Let's just be clear on this. When you
go in the Hall of Fame, you're not going in
as a Lion, a Buck, a ram, or anything like that.
That's not how it works in the Pro Football Hall
of Fame. It's how it works in baseball. You know,
they give you a cap, which is great. I can
be ticked off a little bit that Sparky Anderson wore
a Red's hat instead of a Tiger's hat, but I

(01:37:54):
don't want to digress. They don't do that with a
Pro Football Hall of Fame, so it doesn't really matter.
I'm sure people will read his bio and think, oh,
he had his best years with the Lions. I'm confused
at the love aspect. What do you What do you
think he's alluding to there?

Speaker 6 (01:38:08):
Look, coolie, I want to get your take on that.
What do you think that I'm in dominicance soon. The
reason why I asked kool aid and I'll go second,
is because you were boots on ground.

Speaker 7 (01:38:15):
You were a Lions fan at the time. You watched
the whole process. You know, I was in the league.

Speaker 6 (01:38:19):
I heard about a lot of things that I knew,
what is your take as a Lions fan in his
career and maybe what he.

Speaker 7 (01:38:25):
Wants now and I time in after.

Speaker 11 (01:38:27):
I do know that there are some fans who were hurt.

Speaker 10 (01:38:29):
The first time he left, I felt like he did
now I want to be here, despite the fact that
a Lions fans wanted him here. But as I got older,
I come to find out that really there was a
money situation and he was a guy that was not
going to get necessarily what he was old and so
it changed things or what he was doing. It changed
seems slightly for me, But I know that during the
time there was a lot of hurt fans. I was

(01:38:52):
one of those hurt fans because we didn't have too
many nice things.

Speaker 11 (01:38:56):
We had a few things. It was like players, like
a collection.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Twelve Winds had twelve wins with him, and they had
a number two ranked defense, so they had some good
players with him.

Speaker 10 (01:39:04):
But that's what I'm saying, that's that's what was so
scary and so hurtful about him leaving. If he left,
we especially with how nasty that defense was. It was
associated with the fact that the Detroit Lions, we're going
to just go backwards.

Speaker 11 (01:39:16):
We finally got something.

Speaker 10 (01:39:18):
You know, Yes that we have years little pockets here
and there where we could celebrate, Yes, but this felt like, Okay,
we have a collection of some young players.

Speaker 11 (01:39:25):
We got somebody as nasty as Sue.

Speaker 10 (01:39:27):
And that defense for a few years was absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
It was, it was there was There was twice two
years in there where it was good, really good. It
was high end. I think part of the problem was
he wanted quarterback money. Yeah, okay, and the Lions weren't
gonna give him quarterback money.

Speaker 9 (01:39:48):
But let's be honest here, he had his eye at
the door.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
The first day he was with Detroit.

Speaker 11 (01:39:57):
His sister I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Covered every every single one of his games. I covered
all practices on a regular basis. He never seemed happy, never,
And I don't know if you were going to make
him happy. Yes, his sister handled the financial aspect, in
the marketing aspect until my englander, But.

Speaker 9 (01:40:17):
I don't know, man, I don't know if you could
have made him happy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
I guess it kind of goes back to the surrogate
federal off. Then, remember when Saragi Federoff was it was Carolina.
People were pissed off about that, right, The illogants were
pissed off about it, and I do believe that's part
of the reason why they waited so long for him
to have his number retired. And Domiquin sue, maybe he
didn't feel the love that How much did you feel
loved by him?

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
All right, I'm glad. I let you two guys go first.
Now I'm gonna go as a player. Look, I got
drafted to a crappy situation in Cleveland Browns and Dominican
Suh got drafted to a crappy situation in Detroit Lions. Legitimately,
they had just gone oh to sixteen two years before
they drafted. Dominican sue, you got a horrible organization in
the front office in terms at that time and not
talking about now, in terms of from the player's point

(01:41:06):
of view, it's crappy run organization. You can't get in
touch with the owner. The doors are not open. Its
revolving door in terms of moving things around. And that's
the situation you're in. I'll just speak for my own experience.
When I was in Cleveland, I got drafted, I was
not ready to go, but I didn't like it there.
Once I got drafted, and once I got around, and
once I was around for Mini camp, then the experience

(01:41:29):
the veteran players come in, you start learning the ways
around and you hear people talk. Everybody hated it in Cleveland,
like the locker room did not like being there. So
if I'm getting drafted, I'm twenty two years old, and
everybody on the team is like, man, the hell with this.
I can't wait to get out of town. Why do
I want to be there? Guys during the season I'm
talking about it's like October first, they're already booking tickets

(01:41:51):
to camp. Come They're already talking about what they're doing
in the off season. This is the mental in Cleveland.
So I got to deal with this zero five coming
out of Michigan where I just played in the Rose
Bowl against Texas. You know what I'm saying, I gotta
deal with this for a year now. I got deal
with it again in O six, and then O seven
we have a decent year, but now we're right back
to it in Oa like that weighs on you. So

(01:42:12):
it's not necessarily about him wanting to be out here.
He got drafted to a butt situation, and you're looking
at where other guys in your class went and other players.

Speaker 7 (01:42:19):
And it just didn't feel like Hume Ingam loved it here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
But he also in fairness, he helped turn around the
organization for a short period of time. His his complaint
was financial right, and he thought truthful.

Speaker 9 (01:42:34):
He thought he should have been paid more than Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
Period.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
I mean the quote is there, he said Detroit, in
my opinion, when I first came out, really gave me
the short end of the stick. I should have been
paid more than Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Period.

Speaker 7 (01:42:50):
Okay, that's his quote, because it's because there's still angry there.

Speaker 6 (01:42:54):
There's still resentment there. In the moment, it wasn't that
you paid me more. They didn't even want to pay him.
They were paying two people and they paid them. They
were not going to pay him. So it's not about
necessarily getting matt Stafford money. He was mad he didn't
get any money. So now you have the conversation years
later when it's still resentment there. Now I didn't get
mad Stafford money. He's mad he didn't get any money.

(01:43:16):
They paid eighty one and they paid nine and they
didn't want to pay him. And then they started adding
things into the equation where you're.

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
Stepping on people.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
Well, you have a reputation, and now they're throwing all
those things.

Speaker 7 (01:43:28):
I didn't want to come here in the first place.
But what did I do back to back to back
to back, all pro seasons. I gave you everything I
had and you still didn't want me.

Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
So I understand why there's some resentment there from in
domine I never got.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Let me clarify, so I don't leave you down the
wrong path. I believe it was the payment as a rookie.
Ah okay, And whether we like it or not, and
whether you believe it or not, quarterbacks are going to
get paid more than detail. They're gonna get paid more
than left guards, They're gonna get paid more than centers.

(01:44:04):
I'm not saying it's always right. I'm just telling you
that is the deal, and you know that going.

Speaker 6 (01:44:11):
In but not in the draft though, Like a rookie
contract is different from resigning. When you get a rookie contract,
you go number one overall. You're number one overall. It
doesn't matter what position you make. You set the market
as the number one overall pick. Matt Staff was a
number overall pick in with eight oh nine whenever it is,
and Don King's draft in twenty ten, the money changed.

Speaker 9 (01:44:30):
Dominic second overall, but the money goes off.

Speaker 6 (01:44:33):
But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying it's not a
positional thing. When you're talking rookie contracts, your first contract,
it's where'd you go?

Speaker 7 (01:44:40):
What year did you get drafted in? Let's figure it
out from there.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
Because in my draft class, I came on twenty twenty,
twenty twenty line two thousand and five, third receiver overall.

Speaker 7 (01:44:50):
I'm a third pick overall. The year before that, Larry
Fitzgerald was a third.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
Pick over I was like, I want more bread than him,
I said, because it's a different year, and money goes up,
inflation goes up.

Speaker 10 (01:45:00):
So didn't the rookie scale contracts like change as well?

Speaker 6 (01:45:04):
They changed after our class because our era was that
we got paid, our ear got paid. But then also
what they did was it's longer contracts. So now you
have to have guys for seven years. Now you have
to have guys for six So what does that do
in this new NFL?

Speaker 7 (01:45:19):
So you can't get rid of guys that fast right now?

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
So I think it's great.

Speaker 7 (01:45:23):
I agree too.

Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
Now it's what front loads you in the first three year,
and we have the option to move you year four,
year five. They didn't have that option back then. I
would have Actually, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
The hard thing, and again you're right, I mean, because
it fluctuates. The hard thing to try and convince Lions
fans or any fan when when he was drafted for
you in twenty ten, for you to say he didn't
get paid and he made over sixty four million dollars
with the Lions is hard for people to accept. When
you're making thirteen million dollars a year and that's what

(01:45:52):
his salary was, and he made over sixty four million dollars,
that's hard for people to accept and say, oh, he
wasn't getting paid. They didn't want to pay him. They
sure as hell did want to pay him, and they
paid him. Okay, Now, was he deservative more? He was
arguably the most dominant defensive player in the league during
that span. Sounds like, okay, sounds like he wants more money.

(01:46:16):
The problem is when you start using the example of
a teammate, and that's the reason, you know, when Tampa
played the Rams he got all busy with Stabbage. When
you start using that example of a teammate, and how
does it make you look okay, right or wrong? That's
the perception of things, all right. It's just it's just
not the right way. The love that he's talking about,

(01:46:38):
I believe should be now. I don't think he thinks
the line should be paying him. I'm not sure where
he's going with that. How much more love do you want?
Do you just want to be introduced to training camp
and everybody to give you a standing innovation? People clapped
for you when they saw you. I'm not sure where
he's going with that. It's confusing to me, and it's
an odd thing to say at this time considering the line.

Speaker 9 (01:47:00):
It's just adamant camp.

Speaker 6 (01:47:01):
He might want wants, he might want Calvin love, and
I don't know what it is. Maybe he wants Calvin love,
you know. Maybe he wants to be in the Ring
of honor. Maybe he feels like for what he did.
And now see now the Lions are in the spotlight
now when they do things, everyone sees it. So if
the Lions have you during a home game and they
bring you in and they put you in the Ring
of honor, or they make you honorary captain, they do

(01:47:23):
the things. Now you feel appreciated because everybody's seeing them
do that, they're seeing that they brought you in. I'm
not saying I agree with it. I'm not saying that's
what it is speculation, But maybe that's what he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
He doesn't deserve Calvin Love, No, okay, but he was
a hell of a football player.

Speaker 7 (01:47:39):
He does, he deserves Ring of Honor Love.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
I would disagree with that.

Speaker 6 (01:47:43):
I just if you, first of all, if you make
four All Pros in a row, I don't care if
you ever play another down with that team for All Pros,
puts you in the Ring of it. Because most people
in the Ring of Honor, they have not done that,
Like most players in the Ring of Bonner have just
been with a player, been with a team for twelve,
thirteen years, fourteen years, ten years, maybe won a couple

(01:48:04):
of playoff games, maybe even a super Bowl, but they
weren't that.

Speaker 9 (01:48:09):
Well, then he can go with the Ring of Honor
where he won.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
The Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (01:48:11):
Yeah, but he played one year.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Though, But yeah, but I would say.

Speaker 6 (01:48:15):
The Sterling Shepard, but Sterling Sharp deserved to be in
Green Bay's Ring of miner.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
I don't know. I haven't I haven't studied that, but
five years and looking, you know, wanting to get out
and creating the type of stir that he did does
not warrant.

Speaker 9 (01:48:28):
And I again, you know how I feel. Right, he
was a hell of a player.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
He's one of the best defensive players the Lions organization
has ever had. Okay, you could make that argument. Doesn't
mean to me just because he's been here for five
years that he belongs to the Ring of Honor.

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
It's not about just the five years ship. It's about
what he did in those five years.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
I know.

Speaker 7 (01:48:47):
It's about the numbers, the stats, the things that people
go into the Hall of Fame for.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Yeah, I those things. That's that's what I said here.
I said he's arguably one of the best defensive players
the team has ever had. It doesn't necessarily mean that
that's it though, That's all I'm saying. I mean, look,
we could use different examples for different teams. Lewittker is
the greatest, second, greatest second basement the Tigers have ever had.

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
Look at how long it took them to acknowledge him.

Speaker 7 (01:49:15):
Okay, And Tigers don't get it right all the time, No,
they don't, right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
And some teams probably get it wrong by lifting jerseys
to rafters of guys that probably are don't deserve that either.
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I can't I cannot win until you get in that
booth on Wednesday. When you get in that booth on Monday,
we have these conversations Tuesday. Excuse me, I know holidays. Yeah,
We're gonna get you in there. This guy's gonna be
a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
At times. It might be an episode from Seinfeld and
the Bubble Boy where I look at him, Braylan's gonna go,
I'm gonna get your ass. That just might be the situation.
You know, doctor Jeff Pearce, We're not even not kicking
your ass at all. I mean you're kicking ass out
in the medical field, I got a question for you
regarding Detroit's edge rusher Ahmad Hasani. All right, now, this

(01:54:33):
is a tough one, but I want to know preseason
game number two pectoral injury. He's gonna miss a lot
of time. He was waived, they he was not claimed,
and Brad Holmes has come out or Dan Campbell has
come out and said he will play for the Lions
this year. It will be on the football field. In general,

(01:54:55):
I know, because you haven't inspected, you know his his injury,
But in general, what is the pectoral injuries for NFL
players and what it prevents and how quickly can you
overcome something like that? In general?

Speaker 20 (01:55:08):
Yeah, I mean the peck muscles are the beauty muscles, right,
So it's.

Speaker 9 (01:55:11):
Your big well for brailing, Yes, for others not so much.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
No more flexing man, we'll get a lot more women
in the chat, a lot more women in the chest, alright.

Speaker 20 (01:55:25):
So they'll sit up straight and try to muscle. I mean,
people think it's only the big there's only one muscle.
It's made up of three different muscles. So when they
say it's not surgical, the worst injuries are when the
pack is being torn off the boat, when it's mid
BALLI and mid substance or you know, within the thickness

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of the muscle, the pack muscle. Those are less severe
injuries you can get by. They heal better. You get
something called hypertrophy, you get thickening of the other muscles
around it. It'll scar back down, you know. And you're
also like, can you push through it? You can't really
push through a tear. You have to baby it. You
have to have a balance of what's going on, so

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you can't do heavy resistance, so you have to kind
of wait and see what happens. But you're doing like
that band work, you work from light weight to body
weight to resistant weight. That's the recovery. So when you're
looking at that, he obviously doesn't have a tear towards
the bone, towards the attachment, but it's probably more intersubstance
mid beelly. Like we talk about the hamstring a lot.

(01:56:30):
You know, where's the hamstring injury that's a little easier
to and they're more common than a pack muscle. Pack muscle.
You got to start worrying about, you know, why did
it happen? What happened? Did it make sense? A lot
of my big bodybuilders, you know, they'll do it. The
biggest injury is when they don't want to get off
the bench and they go and pick up that barbell
and that full extension when typically their arms only go

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like this. You know the guys that walk around the
gym like this, Yeah, and then they go to extend
and then it just tears that muscle. And you know,
they may be in some juice a little too, which
makes it those muscles a little brittle. So we're gonna
assume that's not the case here. So when Campbell says
he's gonna see him play, he's probably being told by
medical this is not a major tear that's gonna disrupt him.

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So it's more about the skill set. But a lot
of times when you're pushing off and you're grabbing, yeah,
that muscle is very important. Like it's just you know
your chest press, you know, can you do a push up?
Can you go to benching? Those are the levels that
you start seeing where they're going to recover. This isn't
something like a lower body where you put them in
the pool. Yeah, well you could put them in the
pool and swim, but like when we talked about Hutchinson

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in the running and the lower extremities, the pool plays
a much bigger role.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
So if it's a tear or it's not a tear,
I should say with partial tear, partial tear generally, how
long does something like that take to recover? I know
it depends on the patient and it depends on the
size of the tear, but in general.

Speaker 6 (01:57:55):
A couple of years ago from the Detroit Lions, I
believe the safety name Garciesi Gardner Johnson. He tore his
peg and opening the week and then came back for
the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (01:58:07):
He had a deeper one.

Speaker 20 (01:58:08):
I think, right, and you had what's his face right
now had a.

Speaker 7 (01:58:11):
Partial tear too. He's different, he's mutant.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
Yeah, he's mute.

Speaker 7 (01:58:15):
He's a little different.

Speaker 20 (01:58:17):
No, typically we talk about the first five days goes
to the first two weeks with mild stuff, then we
go to six weeks, then we go to three months.
Then with a complete tear, we go to six months.
Oh okay, but six months means your back heel, But
that doesn't mean you're back. You're still functional, right, so
you can recover and return from stuff like that. So

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like with this one, that was greater than six months,
so he had a full recovery. And then it's it
also gets the decisions how bad do we need them?

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
Right?

Speaker 20 (01:58:49):
Can we duk tape them? Can we do kenesio tape?
Can we do things to embrace and get him playing?
So you start looking at controlled environments, uncontrolled environments, and
it's resistance. How well can you grab on that side?
Kenny bench evenly his three hundred pounds, So there's a
lot that goes into it as we progress. So I'm

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thinking it's a mild tear within the larger part of
the muscle. We should get some scarring and hyperture thickening
of the muscle around it to make him stronger. But
it's gonna be what you know. You're a side to side,
so you know what the left side is or the
right side, and the trainers are good. They're not gonna
let them go prematurely. But again, like some of our

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players last year, we were doing well, we were winning,
so we let them. Okay, we got another week. We
don't need to force them back premature little. We're thinking
about the playoffs. We have their skill set, you got
a mind, you know, what's their mind life, what's their
football intelligence. All those things play a role on if
we need to rush them back.

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Quick question, and then we're up against the two minutes
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Speaker 6 (01:59:51):
Sorry about that. Yesterday I wore a dope jersey. It
was a show hailed tiny jersey. You know what I'm saying.
I called a lot of flagging to explain why I
was wearing it, but not di erself. Talking about the
man yesterday, you notice something. I think it's something we
all noticed as we talk about what you saw last
night and why it bothers you.

Speaker 7 (02:00:08):
It's not bothered.

Speaker 20 (02:00:09):
But when I wake up and ESPN's just touting him
that he got his first win, he's doing great. He
threw more curveballs than ever. You know, he's worried about
that elbow. That's what put him into just being He
was dh you know, he was just dh he's not
pitching as much, but to throw him back in without
sports specific training and muscle tightness. You know, it's nice

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because he's resting, But the other side of the coin
is is he's not preparing. You know what is his
prep Is he pitching like an old pitcher? Is he
doing the warm ups? Or is he just saying I
just have the pure talent, I'm gonna throw curveballs. What
happens is on those ligaments which we don't really get
to see. You can see the big peck muscles, but

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you can't see those small little ligaments and the muscle
attachments to that elbow. Those elbows, if you start straining it, great,
he's gonna feel it. So when you're a pitcher in
the rotation, your training. How much was he truly training
to be able to pitch?

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
Is what?

Speaker 20 (02:01:10):
Six innings?

Speaker 11 (02:01:11):
Yesterday?

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
Five? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
With nuts?

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (02:01:15):
But how many? They said he had his most curveballs
and I think forever. So what I'm saying is, and
the message just to our young players, you gotta be careful.
If you're you have to be sports specific training. Was
he sports specific training to do a prevention or is
it just we need to win. He wants to do it.

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He mentally wants to do things. I don't know what's
going on in that locker room. Yeah, put me in
the rotation. It's not like he's pitching every four to
five days, so that sports specific that movement. And he's
trying to throw his curveball because he feels good because
he's rested. But is he doing damage on the other side.
So that's the only warning I would say, and being

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being proactive making shit. He cooled down and warmed up properly,
and make sure if he is going to continue to pitch,
we do have the training that the heavy was doing before.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
Eighty seven pitches for Otani last night got as Doc
mentioned his first win, fifty three of those for strikes,
gave up a couple of hits and wonder and run
in the Dodgers win over the Reds. Doc, it's always
great to see you. Thank you, all the best to
you and your family. All the best to you folks,
and thanks for joining us here in the chat. Hope
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