"Why Are Men Leaving The Church?"

In this premiere episode; Apostle Calvin Mays, Dr. Maurice Bell, and myself discuss many reasons why men are leaving the church.

Episode Transcript

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All right, now here we go. Hello, Hi and howdy. This
is your man J K. Mooreand introducing tonight our first co host,
the Man, the myth, thelegend, no stranger to you all,
whoever listened to breaking tradition. Iwant to give it up for doctor Maurice
T. Bell. What a dude, bro. Yeah all right, that's

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right, Yes sir, good tosee you too, really good to see
you too. And of course,yes, sir, we gotta introduce our
other co hosts here another man,myth, legend. Okay, putting it
down in the I T field,we want to introduce tonight apostle Calvin Maye.
How are you doing, sir,I'm doing whatever the jam I'm doing

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well, racing guy, man,I'm doing whatever, Yes sir, Yes
sir, yes, sir, wellfellas. First of all, I want
to start off by saying thank theLord because this has been what six six
months roughly in the makeup right up, yes, sir, yeah, so

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yep, we definitely do want tothank God that it finally happened. Name
if everything happens in this appointed time. Okay, sorry, you know,
we can, we can play stuffall we want to, but you know,
if God, don't say it ain'ttime for yet? And guess what
it ain't time for yet? Correct? Yeah, sir, So, in

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this inaugural episode of this show,Oh I'm sorry, I also want to
introduce the name of this new showcalled Break It Up, where guys are
gonna be getting together, break itUp, Yes, sir, love it
coming together talking about a wide rangeof topics. Okay, we've already decided
amongst ourselves there is nothing that's gonnabe off limits. So we're gonna look

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at the topics as a whole,get in there, break them up,
and put our own, our ownmen's perspective to the Yes, sir,
Yes, sir, yes, sir. So again, we want to thank
you all for joining us, joiningus so tonight in this very first episode,
the inaugural episode, we're gonna talkabout something that not only the three

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of us can witness too, butI'm sure many other guys out there can
witness too as well. And thatsubject is why are men leaving the church?
Yeah? So, in doing someresearch for another topic I was covering
for something else, I kept runningacross these little articles on the side of

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the websites I was going to andseveral different websites. It was saying,
you know, men leaving the church? Why are men leaving church? So
finally I'm like okay. So thenI started digging into that subject itself specifically
again across several different websites, severaldifferent sources of information. And what I

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would say, the most answers thatI got, I kind of compiled them
here in a little list of Iguess all the men that they interviewed or
that they question, you know,whire men leaving the church or why did
they leave the church. So kindof put them together here, and it
was several main points. But beforewe jump into these, like I said,

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because the three of us have somepersonal experience with this, I want
to ask you guys, you knowthe question wire men leaving the church,
so apostle may is if you willgo and go and kickstartus officer. You
know, in your opinion and yourexperience, why do you know or why
do you see that men are leavingthe church? Yes, sir, yes,

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sir um, I feel that alot of men are the leaving the
church or don't come to church.It's because of management. YEA. Why

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I'm saying that because I believe thatGod put us in place to be managers
h and to manage under what hehas put. In effect, see,
a lot of people manage things theway they wanted, oh y'all, but

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they don't manage according to the willof God. Answer right, sir,
So I would say, like ifif if I was to look at like
a scripture, like for example,if I go to let me see what
is it? Um? Oh,okay, take u Genesis. Go to
Genesis, H what is it U? Genesis chapter two, verse five,

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and it reads, and then I'mjust throw that some nonserver and every plan
in the field before it was inthe earth, and every earth, every
field of the field before it wasgroom and I grew for the Lord God
had not caused it to rain uponthe earth, upon the earth, and
there was not a man to tillthe ground, meaning manage the ground right,

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right? Right? If God putit wants us to have dominion,
and he put us in place tomanage, because think about it. If
you're in your house, if youdon't manage it, right, what happens?
It breaks apart? Right, don'tmanage your children, it breaks apart.
Right. Or we come to thechurch and we don't manage it right

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and live according to the will ofGod, either it breaks apart or nobody
want to come. What we wantto do, we want to do and
just it goes back to example whenyou say, hey, my children are
my uh? Are my you knowmy? Um? Um? You know

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my? I guess my uh?You know how what's the saying that they
use? Uh? I don't forgotit because that's what they're using in times
to my men and my sons anddaughters um in the church in other words,
right right, right? So youcall them your sons and daughter right?
But are you managing right? Right? Are you proper? Things to

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do? Are to ship allowed himto grow in God to the example,
you know are you are you usingkingdom principles? The Bible say transform your
mind, to transform your mind tothe renewing. Right, so you supposed
to renew your mind, change oldways, old thinking, right, right?
Right? Right? That's what youtold the people, right. Apparently

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not he was telling he would tendthe satisi and uh and those vibe was
in them that y'all we gotta gottay'all, y'all gotta do something different because
people don't come when Jesus came.He came, he walked through the crowd.
They could feel the essence of him, right, but they pulled towards
him. That's why they knew.They felt Men when people can feel who

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you are, when you are anyyou know, possible, possible. Apostle
Paul say, follow me as Ifollow Christ right, so about all the
Christ nothing should be out of orderly. So my house got in order when
I follow Christ right, Yes,sir, So you if you're in the

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ministry, because we we the ministry, the church and jayf you know,
we all when we used to Biblesaying no, we all tell everybody listen,
this is a church. This isthe foundation, this is a this
is a building. But it's notthe churches in you. Yes, sir,
your ties are not for me.That's between between you and God.

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So men are not coming to thechurch because men don't see authenticacy. They
don't think, they don't see that, they don't see that, they don't
see those things they need. Menare visuals right in visualization, we can
when we see something and another thingtoo. They don't want men in the
church because if men come to thechurch, see when you got a free

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full of women. They control thetithing because women gonna tie, see men
gonna Men are a little more observant, right, not saying women are,
but women can get in their emotionsand see men, men are gonna look

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and see what it is? Whatis about this man? What? Why
am I tiling? Tell me somethingI need to see? You know?
It? Is he doing it?You come on, Jay, are you
doing it? You know? Whatare you doing? What are your exepate
representation up? You know? Right? And so that's why I feel I
can go deep deep in this thingman so many ways, you know.

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But that that's a little synops ofwhy I feel that men do not or
what they're not in the church becausethey don't they don't have you know.
You see, yeah, you seeTdj's. You see certain men of God
that's not to talk, and certaincertain things in their life they're showing.
And yeah, they showed us andyou know the representation of it. But

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you know that's a few. Youknow, you got some ministry you go
to, you know, And andif if I'm as a as a man
of God, if I see aman that's in need, oh man that's
got to give, then I'm supposedto be as a man of a god
that say, hey, this manneeds to be cultivated. This man something

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right, I'm gonna I'm gonna tellthem. You know, brother, you
went through I know what you're goingthrough. Man, I know you have
an issue. And then the realYeah, you have an issue with pornography.
I've been there. Hey, man, you have an issue with women.
I understand. I'm not above you. You know, I know God
holds me in the position, butI decided to choose to go with it.

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But I know you when you act, my brother, let's come together.
What's going on? Yeah, Iknow you've got things going on.
Yeah, I know you. Iknow about money being there, done that.
But see a lot of a lotof times people getting so much authority
in a in a position, theywant to act like everything's all sweet,
and it's like you gotta be transparent. You know, you gotta break things

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because you gotta be transparent. TheBible talks about the truth, you know,
fear of truth. You know,if you got truth in your spirit
and you and you you eximplifying,they're gonna see that that's right and people
drawn out of those things. Youknow, Yes, sir, so I
mean you know that's a little snobsfrom it. And I believe you know

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you know those things and went toall time. Uh yeah, I appreciate
good, a little good, alittle snops, little snots. Yeah yeah,
sorry, and break it down forsir. What what why men leaving
the church? One thing Apostle said, UM pertaining to you. You know
you were saying when y'all used toum have Bible said, you always say

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this is the church, um,the body of something different, you know.
But this is what I'm saying.This is what I'm thinking, and
this is what came up my spirit. The reason men are leaving the church
or not coming to the church,that that that they're seeing, Uh,
they're seeing a building, they're seeinga structure, but they're not really seeing

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the church. There you go.Okay, which is the body of mice?
Okay, now let's let's go backto history. Now let me say
this first. This is what thisis what men seeing. Men seeing the
Harlot Church system. And that's whatit is. They're seeing a building that's

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full of systems. Okay, yep, and systems it could be too when
you see um, you need toknow the difference between swelling and growth.
Come on, wow, come on, okay, andystoms. Systems bring about

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a swelling, come on, that'sgood. Not growth that okay. The
Kingdom of God, the Body ofChrist, brings about growth. Come on,
come on, ye he talks aboutthe fivefold ministry was given for Come

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on, come on, the buildingup. They're defying the encourage. You
know what I'm say and paraphrasing.But systems are men's control, manipulation and
one thing men, authentic, genuine, bona fide men. You are not

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going to manipulate them, that's right. And you are not going to control
them. No, you're not goingto rule them with your principles and your
systems. And see when men seethey we say the church, they see
a building full of systems. Theydon't really see the Kingdom of God,

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which is the Body of Christ.They don't see that. Okay. And
and and Apostle was talking about,Um, well I would say this way,
Um, the system has been broken, or if not not, the
system of the order of God.That's what I want to say. The

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order of God has been broken.Okay. And when the Order of God
has been broken, being come insystems, because the Kingdom of God and
the Body of Christ don't operate insystems. That's right, that's right.

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The Kingdom of God operates in power, authority, rulership. Okay, the
Kingdom of God, the Kingdom ofGod is about training, equipping, building,
restoring beings of that nature that comeon. That that right there alone

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is a symbol of a man ofa man, because that's what a man
does. A man builds, aman restores, he activates. Come on,
Yes, it's just like the Manof God. Read earlier in Genesis,
he gave men. Um. Iknow it's say men, but in
the in Genesis, but he wastelling about men and women. But he

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was there. But but if youlook at it, prophetically, men are
the one that's to cultivate the ground. Okay, I'm going somewhere things like
this like this, when you goback, when you go back through history,

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during the talk, during the timePaul was coming up, there were
nothing but men in the church.Oh so I'm gonna bust all this religious
thing up when it comes to theseholing this movements, these quote unquote episode
of houses that say women need tostay silent in the church. That has

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nothing to do with preaching that hadnothing to do with teaching, that had
nothing to do with prophesy. Whatthat. What has happened is there's been
a great turnaround. Now now whathas happened. The men that were in
the church in the former days arenot in the church in the days that

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we ain't living. Now now they'remore women. Ye okay, so now
it's more women in the church.But back then during Paul time, it
was nothing but men. That's whyand the reason he told the women to
stay quiet, it's because when thewomen started coming to church or coming to
out now ain't going to say church. When women would come to their assemblies

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or their gatherings, the women weretalking so much to the point that they
were asking, well, why y'alldo this, Why y'all do that?
Okay, what's what? What what'sdoes here? Far? And what's this?
And Paul and Paul and Paul wasstating that he was when they said
women need to say sighted in thechurch. He wasn't stating that they say
women can't pre can't teach, youknow, that they could not operate and

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function in a governmental office of thechurch. He wasn't talking about all that.
He was talking about the women wasasking so many questions. Let them
ask at home because they were disturbingthe order of what was happening and what
was going on. Okay, Sowhat God abok shot? So burnam need

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kota bahia So myded me normal shotah. So it brings me to the
scripture First Corinthians four, verse fifteen. First Corinthians four, verse fifteen.

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And it says, for though yehave ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet
have ye not many fathers? Forin Christ Jesus. How For in Christ
Jesus I have begotten you through thegospel. Through the Gospel. Now,
I don't care how many times you'resaying, I don't mean to take over,

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because I'm just coaching when I getthe flowing flowing, so you cannot.
So when let me let me backup before I say that apostle said
earlier, how we got these preacherssaying these my sons and daughters, these
my sons and daughters, these myfirst of all, don't call sons and

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daughters if you really ain't gonna circumcising. And it only takes it only takes
a fathering anoying team. That's right. Okay, So what's happening in the
church right now. Honestly, what'shappening. God is trying. God is
I ain't gonna say trying. Godis bringing a turn around one okay,

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and and and what has happened thebody If you look at first Corinthians shot
to twelve talking about the body,the order the body, the body is
distorted m m. Because the firefoldofficers think they're the head. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, oh yeah, okay, okay, but they're not the

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head. They follow the head,which is God. That's right. And
if we look at God, thatsays, if we look at God,
he's a male. H That's right, that's right, that's right. So
women may get upset. So women, we're not saying that you do not

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have a voice in the house,because you do because without you, vision
won't come to furiition. Okay,So you do have a place. But
the Father is trying. The Fatheris bringing a turnaround of bringing them male
factor oh back into its original place. Yeah. So what oh God,

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oh my God. And I couldtalk about this because I understand, I
know about I know about homosexuality,because y'all want to talk. See,
so you have men in the churchthat have that that that on the outside
they are a male figure, buton the inside there's feminacy. Ye okay,

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okay, catch this. But nowwe have women, oh, because
they're more women in the church.Now let me stop there for a minute.
So let me bust up these leaders, these men leaders that say God
didn't call women to preach, Well, if there are no men in the

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church, Yeah, who he gonnacall God? That is, that is
who he gonna call. Is this? Okas this nine I'm gonna mess up?
Is it supposed to be that way? No? So now we have

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women, which is the weak ofvassal, coming up being robust m hm.
And they're preaching and then they're teaching. Oh God, I know I'm
messing up tonight, I have mercybreak it up? So you have so

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you know, so now you havemen that's coming into the house where females
is their example. Yeah, whenthe father is wanting the male to be
the example. Yeah, so youhave a lot of fee. So now

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you have a lot of males thatare sitting under females. Don't don't take
me wrong, because guess what,I wouldn't be where I am today if
it wasn't for the female leadership,right, Okay, don't get don't get
me wrong. I'm don't take methe wrong way. But what I'm saying

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is the Father is bringing a turnaroundwhether whether the women will come back into
where they're supposed to be. Comeon, and the men come into their
rightful place. Okay, come move. I'm talking about real authentic men,
not men that look like men onthe outword. Come on, and they

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have feminine um saying, I'm attractionin all that going on for other men.
You understand what I'm saying. Soreal authentic men know when they're sitting
up under a real authentic man,they know. And I believe you touched

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on this some time ago, ApostleMaze of how men um don't see the
real authenticity of the male factor functioning, flowing and operating in the church as
it need to be good. Okay, so um the father, So what

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has happened? The chain of theorder of God was broken? Okay,
it was broken, all right,But the Father is bringing it back together.
Okay, where he's where He's bringingand the man, the male factor
back into its rightful place of authoritiescome home and bringing the women back into

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their place of submission to the male. All right again, in the beginning,
doing Paul time, the church hadnothing but men in it, and
they were carrying out their many theywere they were carrying out their manly duties,
not just in the church, byoutthe church as well. Yes,

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okay, so now it has happenedwhen that chain was broken the women that
the men started um um of drillingout and the women started coming in and
they took over as they took over. So now that so now you have

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women praying for their husbands to cometo church. Huh when in all days
the family came to church, coachto men was coming led them, We're
going to that, We're going tothe house, We're going to the temple.
So now you have women carrying theirchildren and praying for their husbands to
come. Yeah, but what dotheir husbands have to look forward to when

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they come? What are they sittingup on the coach? They know that
real authentic me and no authenticity rightright right right and again again they see
a building of of of of ofum of systems, men's way of doing

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things, manipulation, control, um, rich, crowd, I mean all
of that um. Really, thisbook talks about holotry and seth for grandizement
and all that stuff. Huh.So, so they're seeing a horlet church.
They may not call it a hartedchurch, but they see it.

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They see a building full of umsystems and rules. They really do not
see. They have not seen theauthenticity of what the Church, the body
of Christ is, with Christ beingthe head. I know I said a
lot right there. But God isbringing men. God is bringing men back

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into their rightful place as being fathers. Okay, so so um, And
the church has no The church hasno um clarity of fathering. They have
no such thing that. They don'tknow nothing about father. It's best not

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to call nobody your son. Theycall nobody your daughter if you are not
going to father them. That's whatpastoring is. That's what leading a people
in is. You're a Abraham wasa fathering anointing. Come yeah, I've
been even talks about that in Genesis, I believe, But it talks about

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Abraham taking care of his house.Yes, sir, he was the priest
and the profit of his house.He took care of his house, and
he took care of the handmaidens ofhis house. He knew everything that was
pertaining to his house. So soulshould be those who leads God's house.
And scripture said, if you can'trule your own house, while you're gonna

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come and rude the house. Andthat's right. I'm just saying, so
Father. So the father is bringingit, bringing it back around, bringing
the men back into the rightful place. And while he's moving to men back
into the rightful place, he's movingto women back into their rightful place.

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M all right. Because it's God, then man, then woman, then
children. I believe that's how theygot it. I belie that's the way
it is, God, Man,woman, children. But it has,
but it has, It's been Godand women and children. But God is

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But but God is turning at aback around. God's turning back around,
and it's gonna take it's gonna takea fathering, annoyingting to um bring back
in, Um, bring the menback in. That's just into the body,
not a building full of systems,systematic control and manipulation and all that

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kind of crazy. Um. Godis wanting the men to come back to
be drawn to the body. Mhm. And see that's the problem that
people want them to come into achurch. And then the bottom line is
up. You you're not gonna beable to control a man. You're not.
No, you ain't gonna be ableto First of all, we were

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never took supposed to be controlled anywayman the genesis, Genesis, Genesis never
said another. Genesis never said aman or woman over another. Man and
a woman he told, He saidthem to the man and the woman have
dominion over the sea, over thefishing. Come on, God never called
a man or woman to be overanother's not in that regard, not in

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God. But when it comes tomarriage, you have to understand that concept,
that that standard how the man umis over the woman, and the
woman is submitted to the man.And guess what. The woman is submitted
not necessary to the man, butshe's submitted to the vision of the man.
That's right. Okay, let mesay that she's submitted to the vision

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of the man. She's not submittedto flesh. She's submitted to the vision
that flesh. There you go,y'all always get me stirred up like this.
Here, you're right, you're right, there you go, because that
too is that men me And nowsince stuff has has digression change, they

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don't understand their purpose exactly. Seea man without a purpose see me and
got to know their purpose and wherethey where they're going. See a woman,
only a woman's gonna follow you afteryour purpose. If you know that
man purpose, come on, you'regonna fall him my water. You know,
you know, like I said,follow me, I follow Christ.

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I know my purpose. Now that'swhy my wife can follow me. So
so men gotta understand. See thethey about it is back in the old
days. When you talk about Abraham, you talk about you know, Joseph's
father, all of them. Seewhen no man passed, they passed on
stuff to the to the fun itwas. See, we don't have now

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because thing's been so be combobulated andsaying that. Women. Now, I'm
gonna tell you we talked about thescripture, but let's go back to what's
what what the enemy has used whenthe war came, When we talked about
World War two. When War Wartwo came and men went off to fight,
right right, the factors were takenover by the women. Ye.

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Yes, the women were working correctand paying the bills. Come on,
right, correct and moving do itwhen men came back because there was an
order in the beginning. See thelooking clean, and the hunt at that
time he would go out and butthey had an order. It was it
was war. Of course, ifit stayed that wa it would have grew

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even to nine ingress. And ifif it was if it stayed the godly
way, in other words, whenwhen that when that came, when the
World War came, the women afterafter the war and the men came back,
the women were like they're already athomes cars, right, you know
yeah, and then the man they'relike, okay, what you need me

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for? Yeah? So when yougot when you have men now that they're
trying to figure out, like whythese women so masculine? They have that
masculine? Correct, because that's thatstuff has been changed over so many over
years and years, sir. Sonow we have to step up our game
and start doing things different. Soas we start to understand how God moved

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and we understand our purpose in life, because that's what they're looking for.
They want to see your purpose?What you where you going? What you
Yeah? So you got men nowthat's acting like boys, yes, row

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men up? Boys, that's andthen women looking at them like what I
need you for? Correctly? Correct? So this seems that we got to
understand as as a whole. Eventhat like in ministry, when when you
coming, when when you when youset that dam that foundation, and like
like doctor Maurice Bound say you youyou're talking about systems. If you're gonna

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have a system, have it.For God had established the way God needed
to go. Because jess what's gonnateach those men? Because because when you
when God, you know, thebody said you hunger, when you thirst,
When you hunger and thirst after rightingness, you shall be filled. If
you're thirsting after that and you're givingwhat God is giving you the gift to
mid people are thirst, They're gonnabe hungry. It's gonna be new.

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The kingdom is wide open. Seesee religion kills kills killer let them.
What does it say that the letthem to making life correct? I'm not
just spirits. When you're reading thatword according when you're reading that word the
way God's put in your spirit onthat kingdom level, that words rich exactly.

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It comes out of the way Godgive you revelation, yes, a
ram of words yes, and init history court. It's just like music.
People talking about music and music isdemonic. That's a lie. Music
is not right, the spirits behindit. When you pat your foot and
you hear music, right, whenyou hear the first hit, you look,

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yeah, you when you when whenmusic come on, you don't see
no knows do you no not?That's but it hits you in your spirit.
Correct, it hits you in spirit. When David when David when when
Salt was wrestling, when he waswrestling with the spirit, David played the
heart. Yes, and it's itsoothes Salt. Yes, it's about the

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way God, where he permates,the way he comes off, the way,
the way it ignites. That's whatmen are looking for. They're looking
for something, looking for what theyneed people to establish and know what they
purpose it understand from a kingdoms level, not to control. You're correct,
correct correct control correct and you knowand you know they kingdom the kingdom um

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is structured through statues and principles.Yeah, okay, um this this man
made system they called church are areum mine um mind games, mind control

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systematic. Oh let me say itthis way. Let me say it this
way. God used Martha Luther King, God used Harriet Tubman. Come on,
God used come on now rolls apartsto set the set the black people

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free from bundage, come from system, systematic control. And then here comes
the church system. Come on aheadto break you know, had to break
it up. Come on, herecome the church system, and we're back

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in mind control, f under people. Yep, God gonna use folks to
set us free and then become inthese systems called the church. Can't go
back into fundage in our minds.Yes, let's call it what it is.

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It's not the church. Let's justcall it Christianity, okay, or
religious. And then I'm glad youbrought up that point about the you know,
the different people throughout history and notjust the ones you name, but
many others, and especially when itcomes to the Black church, because this
is something that hey, a lotof them don't know and be a lot

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of black during world don't want tohear. Those people were Republicans and conservatives
back yard, every last one ofthem. They were Republicans, they were
conservatives. And if you and thenthe purpose of the church then was because

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of course, okay, they didn'thave a lot of public places they could
get out and meet and do stuffbecause society still had lost set. So
that's where the church was. Themeeting ground for But as soon as this
shift came in the dog on sixtiesand they completely did a mind job on

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the US Black society and they startedgrafting on to Democrats and started graphing onto
this liberal mindset that brings us rightto where we are today. That's not
the entire reason, but that's agood portion of the reason, right.
And I just wanted to say thateverything, everything that y'all to come mind

(38:00):
have mentioned so far is every oneof these points that I had written them,
that I gathered from these websites.Wow, y'all hit every last one
of them. Lack of real brotherhood, lack of spiritual fulfillment, lack of
genuine leadership, no sense of community, nothing to do, don't feel needed,

(38:22):
and shifts in societal norms and newaccepted behaviors like what you hit on
about the howards view of people inthe LGB communion and stuff like that.
Yeah, y'all, y'all hit them, every last one on them. And
there are more reason than that,Yes, sir, Yes, sir?
What are you I coordinate? Yes, sir um something that apostle apostle amazed

(38:46):
somebody and I heard this. Sothe women has the women. That's up
today. We can look at it. The women have a long stare feminiscing.
The women are no longer feminine,and the men have lost their um

(39:07):
masculinity. Okay, And the Manof God said earlier their boys now they're
building man caves. Say they missedtheir boy side of them, the little
boys side of them. So nowthey're building things and they're older. So

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their mindset catch us, Their mindsethas been shifted. Ye m their mindset
has been playing. Great. Lookthey want to play. Yep, we
want to play. We do notwant the responsibility to feel and structure.

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So now the women have taken onthe masculinity, y'all, Oh my god,
they have took on the masculinity.Why becomes the men? Let's look
at the men. Population are injail. Yep, that's one of the
reasons. Yeah, one of thereasons. One of the reasons. So

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they so they are pushed into andthen I can look at my mom.
You know, shit, they're single. Moms got a way, got raised
young men and raised young women.That so they're pushed into a vain where
they were never supposed to be pushedinto, right right right when they have
to build up the toughness about themto make it in society and catch this,

(40:47):
Lord, I would get in trouble. I don't know wheather's going.
So now they're sitting up. Sonow they're sitting up under women home pastors
that have the same mentality of thinking, and they preaching that in the atmosphere

(41:09):
over the women. Yeah, yep, that's it. And the men sitting
in the congregation. Oh, Lord, they're sitting in the congregation. And

(41:35):
if to be told, a lotof these women that I'm married, they
met these married couples, that issitting up other other women leaders, go
ahead, go there wearing the pantsin the house. Ye they are.

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And instead of them being a helpm hm, they are being the one
that's in control of everything right,and the man is just so so unless
I guess it's unless they're sitting upunder woman of God. That's teaching how
the men are supposed to be umover the woman. Okay, and they

(42:20):
know their place. But again,God is bringing all everything back into a
circle. Whether women are gonna bringgonna take back on their feminine side,
and the men's gonna bring on takeback onto their um manliness, their um
masculine yeah, masculinity, Um,where men are going to stand up and

(42:47):
really, um, that's gonna havea real um encounter with God and and
gonna come into these quote unquote buildingsif they go in there, you know,
and then tie all down all thesesystems, and they're gonna start establishing
the structure of God through the statuesand the principles of God. Again,
I I honest and truly believe thatwe're coming to a place where these buildings

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are just obsolete the people that God'sgoing to be bringing men into the body
of Christ without buildings right right.These are just gonna be bringing them into
a unit, a body of believers, you know, and just gonna raise
up those units, raise those menup in those units to be the men

(43:35):
of God that they're supposed to be, to establish the Kingdom of Heaven the
way they need to be established inthe earth. Um. But we've been
talking about why men leaving the church. But I ain't mean to cut you
off, brother James. Everything you'resaying is that's why. Yeah, that's
why. And I want to touchon two things very quick that you just

(43:59):
mentioned, going back to the switchingof I hate to you that were gender
roles, but roles that are assignedto that. Are you just signed masculine
and roll you just signed feminine?Have you all noticed, even outside of
the church, every thing in societynow is talking about toxic masculinity or trans

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rights and all this other stuff.This is not a coincidence, This is
not by accident. This is avery purposeful, very purposeful system that was
set up, created through socialism andcommunity feminism and communism to bring down the

(44:51):
West, which includes the You know, the US is right up there at
the top when you're talking about Westernsociety, and those tactics are right,
you know what I'm saying At thevery start of the program or the agenda.
I touched on this not this pastweek last week, but I mean

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it's been out there before and youall probably heard of it. It's called
the Communist Manifesto. It was writtenby this guy named car Marks, where
he tells how to institute communism intoany society. And the first things on
the list are you have to doaway with God completely and totally. You

(45:35):
have to destroy the family unit asits traditionally been. You have to feminize
your society, and you have tostart destroying traditional masculine and feminine roles.
So if they've set up that,if these communists have set up their ages
in our governments, all in Hollywood, the mass media, that every entertainment

(46:00):
industry, okay, every big corporation, and we definitely saw that this past
June. Okay, pushing this stuff. You got these these drag shows and
these trades, people going into elementaryschools talking to kids and stuff. This
stuff is not accidental. So theygot them in every other facet of society

(46:22):
you're during, right, They gotthem standing in pull pits too, to
do the exact very same thing,to start changing those people mindsets and ways
of things to line up with thisagenda to destroy Western society the way it's
been wanted. Wanted to touch onthat. And then the second thing where

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you were talking about the shift that'sgonna change of how when um and you
said it. When I was thinkingabout this the other day, I said,
old Lord, thank you for layingon me. Another reason why you
have um men leaving these lets,like I said, as a called one
is these religious organizations, is becausethere is the time coming that we know

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of and the Bible called the Greatperiod of Tribulation where there will be no
such thing as running to church houses. There's not going to be churches.
Correct. That's on the reason whyit's called the period of tribulation, because
the devil, the anti Christ,the beast, and this whole system they
set up, the whole communist thing. Okay, okay, you you dare

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not mentioning God or Jesus during thistime because you're either going to be imprisoned
so they can reform you to theright way of thinking, or refusing that
you're just gonna be put to death. Yes, sir, so because men,
you know what I'm saying. LikeI said, you guys already touched
doing them being the leaders supposed tobe the ones stepping out there in the

(47:50):
forefront. Of course, men arestepping away from this traditional miss because you
just like you said, during thatperiod, Yeah, there may not be
people, you know what I mean, You ain't gonna be able to gather
together in groups and buildings and stuff, but they're still going to be those
who are gonna be raised up.I mean, Revelation tells us that God's
gonna raise up one hundred and fortyfour thousand, twelve thousand each from all

(48:14):
the twi tribes of Israel. Butyou know, throughout the history, they
they spread their see you know whatI'm saying, so to speak, throughout
all all ethnicities, all cultures.So there's gonna be people raised up doing
exactly like what you said. There'sgonna be men raised up, empowered by
the Holy Spirit going right back teachingthe kingdom world of God. So people

(48:37):
during that period will have a chanceto you know what I'm saying themself.
Now. The differences between them andhopefully not us is before that period happens,
we're gonna have what's known as theRapture, where God is gonna send
Jesus to get his believers up outof here before that second year of period.
Okay, so that's why Jesus said, and plenty of scriptures during that

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time, Hey, you have todo whatever it takes to endure. Okay,
you have seven years of literal hellon this planet. Yes, so
yeah, you can still accept Jesusduring that time. But no, you
ain't gonna be called up the boy. Oh no, no, no,
you have to make it to anend. Yep. So yeah, I

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mean that's why I said. Man, Look, I'm sure we asked a
hundred different guys with you know,ones who are in churches and ones even
outside and ask them this question,Hey, why do you think men are
leaving church? Man? You probablyget two hundred different answer right, right,
right, But like I said,you know, I can tell we

(49:42):
definitely in the vein of guy becauseeverything that the like I said, the
main points, I was able togather from several different sources that they were
all you guys touched them on allseven other points. You know what I'm
saying and what you were talking,and it all comes back to it.
I know what Oh my red oneguy, one group of guys gave the

(50:02):
answers. They were like, becausethere's nothing to do at church. I'm
like, with nothing to do?Um, Jesus told us what to do.
He told us to go out teachpeople and show them the things that
He showed in commanded them and makebelievers out of them. Yeah. The
jokes in there talking like like dogon churches a social club, look for

(50:24):
some places to come hang out onthe Sundays. Yeah, Oh, they
ain't what it's for, even thougha lot of them are being twisted and
perverted into that and just to entertainthe people, but nothing to do.
Oh, there is plenty to do, and I'll be with you want to
do? But oh that's right,yeah yeah, um. These but these

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buildings they called church, these thesethese buildings, what it has happened?
Um, God has given us thegreat commission? M hm, And what
these how have done? It's stifledm h. Yep, they have stifled

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because you go in these places andyou sit for hours, right right right,
let me let me stop. Y'allwant to apologize for moving around earlier
because I was trying to and thensome kind of dog won't fly. I
think I opened my door and thefly came in. That's why I keep
looking at it. You wait,you I won't kill that demon. And

(51:28):
then I get off fire watching killthat DEMONI but this is but anyway,
what has happened to be these quoteunquote services, All it has done has
stifled. Yeah, it has stifled. It has not motivated, activated,
stirred, imparted, deposited anything forus to go out and evangelize. Nothing,

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that's it. That's it right there, Yes, sir, so I
understand what he was saying when yousaid you read and the young man said,
the ain't nothing to do at church. He right, it's stifled.
It's dead in there. They ain'tdoing nothing. You come in and sit,
and you sit till the time theyget a vinediction. Unless it's a

(52:21):
hold in the church and you're fullof emotionalism. All you're doing is jumping
and shouting and dancing and running andprophet signed and still doing no evangelism.
Nothing has happened, nothing has takenplace, nothing has um, No salvation

(52:46):
took place. Nobody got baptized.And I think you hit this um the
last time we were together. Apost amaze, these people talking about having
an anniversary, having an anniversary forwhat? For what what? No one

(53:07):
got saved, No one was converted. You ain't baptized nobody in six months
to a year. The scripture saidthat he added to the church daily the
body of Christ such that should besaved. I mean, they wasn't saved
yet, but something drew him inthat. That's right. Huh. Nobody

(53:34):
was baptized, nobody was evangelized.All y'all do it's come in and sick
and sang a few songs, andhere a joge of the world message and

(53:59):
made cry a little bit. OrDad's I however you want to talk and
then go back home and come aroundand do the same thing Sunday if you
don't have Wednesday night Bible. Steady, sir, nothing has happened again again,

(54:21):
catch us men, authentic, bonafide, genuine, genuine, do
not have that. You can't wastetheir time. That they're not gonna allow
you to waste their time. Andoft the time it's wasted. Men.
Men are activators. Their mind hasto always be activated. Come on,

(54:44):
something has to happen. If itain't happening, they ain't coming to sit
up in there, that's right.Come on, ain't coming to sit up
in there. And you know,and they replaced what is supposed to be
happening with all this pointless entertainment.Just like you said, you come up.

(55:07):
There's a two hour service, okay, an hour and a half of
that's gonna be singing, okay,twenty more minutes of it's gonna be taken
up five or six different collections,and then you might get five or ten
minutes worth a word. Okay.And not to knock anybody who does this
stuff, but search the scriptures andI can't find it. I don't see

(55:27):
anywhere in there where people were calledto be ushers. I don't see where
people were called to be musicians.I don't see where people were called to
be a b ministries and all thisother stuff. But I do see where
there was fivefold office that was givento the kingdom I goosey, where there
was a bunch of spiritual gifts thatwere given the people incultivated. But they

(55:49):
are not. No, people arecoming in there and instill of finding out
being led by the spirit. Okay, what that spiritual gift is? Like
I said, I just looked atthis does I didn't see nothing about it?
And to some he gave the giftto walk people to their seat.
I'm you know what I'm saying,Man, maybe I'll missed it if I
did, y'all can you know,definitely point it out for me. But

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I no. But you got peoplecome in there. You want to assign
them. You know what I'm sayingis ushers. You want to assign financial
committees. Again after these places weredoing exactly like what was commanded of them
in the Bible. There should beno such thing as any church of God,

(56:34):
any Christian church, well, howeveryou want to put it, that
needs a financial ministry, because youshouldn't have enough money to be having savings
accounts and stops and all this stuff. Because there's how many scriptures in the
Bible where he commands to give tothe poor? Come out, come out,
come out? What did he tellthat that risk got to ask him

(56:55):
what I have to do to bewhat you were having? So everything and
give it to the then a correct? Correct? How many different scripts are
there about how hard it is fora wealthy person to get into heaven?
And I broke this down. It'snot the wealth that's, you know,
making it hard. It's their faithand trusting that wealth that because it gives

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them access here on earth, orquite naturally, it's gonna give me access
into heaven because I'm a wealthy person. Yeah, you know right. You
cannot take that money and stiff withyou when you die. That's why he
commands commands, commands from Old Testamentall the way through revelations. You are
supposed to be helping people and givingthat money out. When I start hearing

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these churches talk about stocks and bunsand all that, Wait a minute,
what correct? Correct? You shouldn'thave enough money for that? I mean,
understand why you do, because,like I said, you have all
gone five or six different collections duringthe service, so I know where they
could getting the money from. Youshouldn't be, You shouldn't be. And

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then you ask the question, Yeah, you have to ask a question,
why are you taking us offering upright? Because if no one in your
house should be a need? No, no, come on, nobody in
your house should be a need.Paul Paul never even asked the churches for

(58:22):
an offering. The only time heasked for offering is when when another um
body of believers needed help in anothercity somewhere. He never even asked for
offering for himself, for himself,that's right. But my understanding, if
i'm if I'm correct, there wassomeone he didn't ask for us, but

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they were already some type of town. It was some type of town or
a group of people that was alreadytaking care of some of his knees.
In a way. He wasn't askingfor all that stuff. Yep, you
just hit it taking care of hisneeds. Okay, yeah, needs not

(59:04):
your dog on once need come out. I don't. I don't need to
help you buy a five or sixdifferent cars, two or three different houses.
No, no, and like yousaid, you got people sitting on
in your congregation who don't know howthey're gonna gonna make the monthly payment on
the good come out again, herewe go. We have instructors, struct

(59:25):
instruct if you if you really breakthat thing down, instructor mean boy,
if I'm not a boy or achild or something that nature. So you
have a lot of quote unquote peoplethat are in leadership that have a boy
mentality or child mentality. They're notfothering. Going back to what you said

(59:46):
about the firefol offices again, we'resupposed to be structuring, that's right.
And if and if a bona fideman, no he ain't be instructured he
coming up in there. That's right. Men want to be structured. You
know how I know men. Youknow how I know men want to be

(01:00:07):
structured because every day they're up inthe gym, That's right. They're always
building themselves. Huh yeah, they'realways building themselves. They always have to
be in the place of building something. That's you know that that's the maxculinity

(01:00:30):
thing that got They always got tobe building or structuring or doing something.
The church ain't doing it ain't no, they ain't coming in there. And
again you're not going to be ableto manipulate them, in control them.
And then and when you get thesemen that are not going to allow you
to control them and manipulate them,then they want to call them rebellious and

(01:00:55):
all this kind of stuff. No, they ain't rebellious just because oh you
now they rebellious because they ain't listento your crazy stuff, your control,
your manipulation, and see and seethat's the problem. See, come on,
you have a lot of men thatare insecure of who they are,
and they go hook up with thesequote unquote leaders to feel important. That's

(01:01:22):
why they have this quote unquote someof them in a way, they have
this um what you call a miragefollowing them. But you have a lot
of following them, just following them, just following them. You know why,
you know what that is? Theydon't even know who they are.

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They don't know who they are.They have to be connected to what they
think a man is and follow him. And he don't teach them how to
He don't even teach them how tobe what they supposed He just and he
loved just following them. They won'teven tell them how not to find them.
M m, that's right. Theywon't. They want them to follow

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them. That's right. Again,Seth a grandines man all that. But
but but when this circle coming rightaround, God is raising up a fathering
annoyting am Abrahams annointing, and thatfather is gonna come and do some circumcising
and some cutting away and raise upsons to be me. That's right.

(01:02:28):
Ye, Amen's right. That's whythese young men they don't. That's why
you have young men and I cantalk about this again. That's that's um.
They're living an altered life and lifestyleand all this kind of stuff and
connecting with these other men and allthe there's a belong game again again.

(01:02:52):
You know what, you know whatthe gem is joined the gym. They
need to belong me need to bea place where they they can be belonged.
And they know they they are umneed they are used to needed if
they to that nature, if theyain't needed cha, it's a difference in

(01:03:13):
being needed and manipulated. Oh that'sgood, yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.
If if if you was a ifyou had a ministry that was doing
the right thing, and even ifyou had people coming in and say they
don't know what they they posted togo or what they supposed to do.

(01:03:37):
If you put them in those positions, whether it be an USh or whatever,
they should never stay there alone.It should be go to go from
there, sir, to a positionto get training and then out the door.
That's right, correct, to geta revolving door. Correct. Correct.

(01:03:57):
First of all, Jesus had twelvemen ever, had sir, Yes,
sir, correct, Yeah, twelvemen, never once, sir,
Yes, sir. Why Jesus cameback for that and got twelve men because
he was setting order he had toput sir, yes, sir, and
see where people don't understand when hehad them, he's teaching them, bringing

(01:04:20):
them in, using their gifts tobring them to ultimately to where they need
to find their purpose, from theirpurpose, to see where they need to
go the ultimate he had to lead. It's a revolver yes, yes,
it's a revolving door, yes,sir. And so we're not parallel and
at you know, we're not parallelthat to Jesus. If you're walking just

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like Jesus, everybody should be doingthe same thing, yes, sir,
going out to all ends of theearth, Yes, sir, preaching that
right, yes, sir, teachingthe Kingdom of God. Correct. And
I understand people say they want toteach grace and and that's a part and

(01:05:02):
all the stuff right here. Butwhen you're teaching the Kingdom of God,
that's gonna be about love. Whenyou teach the Kingdom of God, that's
gonna set order. When you teachthe Kingdom of God foundation. When you
teach, that's gonna tell you whereyour roles are. Who, sir,
that's where you are, yes,sir. You know what God has purpose

(01:05:23):
in your life because he that's that'sright, that in the tail. When
men come there, they need that, you know, they correct because you
know someone don't have fathers. Ihad a father, but my father was
living there, but he wasn't inthe home, yes sir, he was
physically right, he wasn't there mentally, yes, sir. So when you

(01:05:45):
got when you got a father that'smentally there. And understand how God how
the purpose in the right way tofunction and the run a household. Then
the passing on to the son shouldalways be passing on, passing on patriges
and on gass, right, yes, sir, always go that's a that's
a god myth what to do,Yes, sir, and then that's who

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God want to talk to first andsee me and can't hear God because correctly
correct, I'm correct. You knowum, you know you said something,
apostle um. What what the Fivefoldhas done? It has cripled the body

(01:06:29):
in the respect of they preach messages, catchings. They preach messages to rely
upon them. Come on, comeon. Scripture says, go ye into
all the world. But they're notpreaching messages for them to go out.

(01:06:50):
While they're preaching messages to rely onthem to say yes you yes, yes,
yes, that's what. Yeah.And see, no real man,

(01:07:12):
no real authentic man, it's gonnacome, gonna subject himself to another man
of that degree. That's right,that's right. So that's what the Body
of Christ has done. The theFifold has done. They have crippled the
body to rely and to depend andthem not to stay here. Oh yeah.

(01:07:41):
And that's where they come with thatchurch, church church hopping, church
hopping and all this kind of stuff, when when when there ain't no no
such thing as church, chould neverhave you should not have ever brought that
up. Because the keen or Godis ever. We were never we were
never called to stay in a spot. Yeah, that's right, you would

(01:08:06):
never we That's why I'm giving themess up. I'll talk about this whole
time. That's why they no,no, that's why they ain't no such
thing as membership. No, no, not at all. That's a part
of that system that's a membership iscontrolled, manipulate. Stay right here and
we gotta Potok, we got aplot for you back behind the church.

(01:08:27):
When you die, you're supposed tostay right here. When you die,
you will be bared behind the church. M hmm. And a lot of
people stay at these churches so theycan have a place to be bared.
That's that's the truth. That's thetruth. Yeah, yeah, that you

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were right, apostle, apostle,God selected the trail, like you said,
to teach them all. They needto teach them to go to the
next place because he was leaving.Yep. A real leader. Oh,
come on, would never want hismembers to depend and rely on him want

(01:09:15):
He would want them to grow up, ain't it right? Grow up?
You got to go to the nextplace, right right? Come on?
If we want to look at thischurch thing, you know, the building,
the building is a like you said, revolving door. Why is it

(01:09:39):
a revolving door. Because it isan apostolic hub, it's a center,
it's a place to be trained.M the sixty that was there the first
five, I mean six months shouldn'tbe that six months A whole new clue

(01:10:02):
should be coming in. Come on. And I used to wonder back in
the day when I was you,I was real young. I didn't understand
at that time. I used towonder, why passing pastor Sythya have a
lot of people up front in frontof the altar, and she should be
laying hands and crying. I can'tunderstand what she cried, not knowing she

(01:10:29):
was saying, it's time for y'allto go. Yeah, yeah, she
was laying hands and release them.It's time of y'all to go. Because
another crewe getting ready to come in. People were always coming into abundant life
and leaving abundant life. Come intoabundant life and leave an abundant life.
Why because it was a training place, it wasn't no place to stay till

(01:10:55):
you die in cash does even evenif God put a ministry, because I
know, I know it's gonna comeupoint where we have to God put him
a spit to have a ministry.When when the ministry is build, I'm
not staying alone, right, correct, I got yeah, yeah, you

(01:11:15):
know I gotta pass on because somebodyelse gotta come in there and teach the
community of God and the people gotto move through. You know, the
place that we stablish or put inplace, it's not just gonna be only
for church. It's gonna be stuffdone for LIFs in the growing families have
business, how to have how todo so people gotta edify and the understand

(01:11:36):
how how to keep the words.Everybody I can go to It don't matter
Joe, we can go to Josel. Everybody was wealthy, nobody lacking in
money because Jesus was poor. Isaid, how Jesus poor? He can

(01:11:57):
put money out of fish mouth?Come on, yes, sir, yes,
sir. This man in his twelvewas banking and he was poor.
Right. I mean, if youlook in the Bible, one of the
possibles, one of his, oneof his, his Jesus leaders went to

(01:12:20):
him and purchase his body. Yes, okay, we talked. People don't
understand he you can't polo polot whenyou went to him. That was like,
you're going to how can you goMichelle Obama knows and talk to them.
You can't go to them right right? This man, he had to

(01:12:42):
be in the leadership to go tohim and say, hey, I wanted
to get Jesus body. He hadto have, yes, sir. These
people were wealthy, yes, sir. So when you're in the body of
Christ and people to old, youknow they do day that then have no
money and stuff. Dan, that'sa lot people in the body. You

(01:13:05):
have to tap into what God hasgiven you for you. Oh you know
you you doren't supposed to be withthe devil. Is a lot who said,
come on, come on, andyou'll be surprised with people. I'm
like, what are you? Whatare you talking about? They've come by

(01:13:29):
hearing and hearing the word of God, and that's it right there. They're
not hearing the world of God.They're hearing that world of religion. And
why these men don't want to cometo church. I'm gonna come to church
to be poor. Nah, Idon't want that church. And man and

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man, man, I go getus exactly men grinder, grinder, their
hustlers and you and they're gonna comesit up under you and talk, and
you're gonna tell them they ain't supposedto have what then, don't that that
does not make any sense? No, oh, they're not supposed to have.

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But they see you coming in thatdressed off time gq Q g Q
or however you say that thing.Oh yeah yeah yeah both ways yea yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're looking at they're
looking at this stuff. They're lookingat us, and then and their mindset
is something's wrong, something's wrong withus. And then and many of them

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go home and say, today,wife, you don't think not wrong with
that? That and the wives toget mad and upset with the husbands goes
to the husbands. Is that yeah, because you have been um bewitch?
Oh yeah, and you mad upsetbecause your husband won't come up in that
he ain't come into the number thatfoolishness. That's right, that's right.

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And you think you think he ain'to catch this. Now, you think
he ain't saved, coach, heain't coming to church. And you think
you are saying, coach, youdo, and you just jacked yes,
sir, yes, sir, yes, sir. I just told somebody to
day, Lord, ha mercy,I'm gonna what do you say? Everybody

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ain't going through Romans ten ninety ten. Oh, in that, in that
in Romans ten ninety ten talking aboutsalvation isn't let me look it up,
look at it is it? Romansten nineteen If you confess with your mouth
the Lord Jesus, but it's atnine. Oh, if you declare with

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your mouth, yeah, that's it'sten nine ten, Romans nine. If
you declare with your mouth Romans nine. Yeah, everybody ain't going that way.
Everybody ain't going that way. Ohyeah, everybody ain't going that way,
right, Romans nine nine and tenor Romans nine, yeah, nineteen

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four. They won the hearts thatYeah, but man, apostle, that's
what Romans what Romans nine, Romansten nine, Rome bask okay, Romans
ten okay, all right, yeahyeah, yeah, everybody ain't going by

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Romans teen. Here we go,here we go, this church stuff.
Here we go with this church stuff, this stuff they're teaching and preaching.
Yeah, everybody ain't gonna go bythat. Some some people's Romans ten.
It's gonna be Lord. I'm sorry, Lord, I messed up. God

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forget you know. Everybody ain't gonnago that way. Everybody. Everybody ain't
gonna be um asked two thirty eight. Everybody ain't gonna be asked two thirty
eight be baptizing the name of JesusChrist, mission right. Everybody ain't going
that way? Right? Or Jesustold that? And what in Matthew seven?

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Not everyone who says to me onthat day, Lord Lord, didn't
we prophesy in your name? Didwe cast out demons in your name?
Didn't we do this in your name? Come on, now, didn't you
in your name? You know whatI'm saying, all of it. You're
gonna blah yep, bye bye.Ain't I don't know none of you,
none of you, you workers overniquity, Get out of face. Come

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on you right, yep, yep, come on, you're right, I
mean, oh yeah, Lord,didn't I usher in your name? Come
on that right? All that rightthere? All that right there again again,

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all that, all that set upright there, all that set up.
It's man made, ye, manorchestrated. That's a facade. A

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silhouette, is that's what they asilhouette or of making people think this is
the kingdom of God, This isnot the Kingdom of God. This system,
this building that you have erected andhave all these these um rules and
regulations and all that kind of stuff, that is different from the Kingdom of

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God. These are two different entities, that's right. And they are people
that's in love with that church.I think that more more so than they
ain't in love with God. They'remore part of that church system than they

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are the body of Christ. Anda lot of people joining us thinking it
is that's the silhouette, that isthe facility. That's great amen, and
that is the truth, and thatis the absolute, that's the truth,
and and and and um. Againwe're talking about why men leaving the church.

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Men. The nature of men cansee through all that. Right now,
they can see through all that.And again if they don't, if
they can't see, if they don'tsee any benefit in it, h yep,
they are not. That's just that'swith anything with a man. If
a man does not see um goingout for a job proposition, or don't

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see it as being successful or productive, or you're not gonna waste his time.
Oh yeah, that's right. You'redown relationships. Yeah yeah, you're
not. That's it. Don't yeah, you holding him up. It's a
waste of time. I'm not wastingmy life here. I'm not gonna waste
my time here. I could bedoing something else. You ain't teaching me

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nothing, you ain't showing me nothing, you ain't doing nothing. And Cassa,
I'm not a real authentic man,goes say, I'm not insecure,
right, I don't need you.That's right, right, right, that's
right. You know what I'm saying. They are go getter Mmmm oh yeah,

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oh yeah, ye sir. Yeah. And what and what the church
has and what the church also hasdone, has made these women think their
husbands are in rebellion. Come on, you will, oh yeah. They
these churches make make these women thinktheir husbands are in rebellion. And the

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women do not follow them like they'resupposed to. They will not submit themselves.
God did not say. God didnot say, submit yourself to your
husband if he saved. That's notwhat the scripture saying. Oh and let

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me, I'm not gonna better doit. Boy, he that findeth a
wife, come on, m yeah, find it a good thing and the
favor of the Lord. Again.God did not say, if that woman
will saved. He did not saythat. He didn't say that, Now

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your man, come here, cango look the scripture up. Now,
we can look the scripture up now. But he said he that find a
wife. Find it's a good thingand the favor of the Lord. A
woman that have wife like characteristics andskills, that's ready for that's ready for

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a husband, ready for marriage,ready for a family. He did not
say she had to be saved orborn again or filled the Holy Ghost exactly
exactly, m exactly saying now,but these but these systems, these things

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we called church have made these womenthink that their husbands are in rebellion because
they would not come to the churchand they would not submit to their husband's
like they're supposed to. You gotwomen, I'm gonna say it, that's
more submissive to their pastor come on, oh yeah, with their husbands.
Yep, ye, yes, sir, you got women. That's more that

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trust they past us more than theytrust their husbands. Lord, have mercy,
boy, that's what we do herefirst. But then it's the truth.
And again a lot of this goesright back to that um shoot,
I mean, I keep using theword the whole this communist system when it

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goes back even further than that.Okay, let's call it what it is,
just Jezebel systems control and whichcraft.This is all just part of it,
and part of this new new agesystem is to like I said,
it didn't this third wave feminism.Okay, I'm not talking about original feminism.
You know, back when like ourmoms and our grand moms and older

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they know, they was out thereburning the brawls in the street. Okay,
No, right, that was coolfeminism. Okay. Them ladies were
just like, look, if we'redoing the same work as men, we
want the same pay in the samespot. Yeah. None of this getting
rid of a masculinity, none ofthis getting rid of manhood, none of
this telling little boys and men,oh yeah, no, you can become

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a female if you want. Seethat. That's this third wave feminism crap.
And again it seeked, like yousaid, seeked this way right on
into these churches and started filling thesewomen's head with from these bull bits.
If you're the bigger earner in thehouse, then why should you listen to
him? Shouldn't you be making thedecisions and stuff right? No, you

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should not, because they don't matterhow much you're making. Okay, if
you're sitting supposedly up under God andhave given yourself to God, then you
should be following God's loss and God'sprivles. And he did not say for
you to be the head. Now. Bro touched on it earlier when he
was talking about it's a whole differentthing where we're talking about a let's say,

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a single mother household. Okay,that she has no choice them,
correct, And she's still not takingon the male or masculine role, She's
just taking on the role of leadershipperiod, because she's the only house to
do it. Yes, sir,Yes, we're talking about a usual husband
wife situation. And no, itdoesn't matter if you're making more than him,

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yes sir, okay. And you'relistening to all these these if you
know one, they always found funny, especially when it comes to women.
Why do they always listen to thesewomen who aren't in relationships, who aren't
married, or who've had failed marriageafter failed marriage, failed relationship after failed
relationship, And these are the onesthey want to be taken advice from,

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right, right, I have neverunderstood that about women, And again that's
who they are here listening to begot these godless Okay, boyfriendless, childless
dog on women telling him, Yo, you shouldn't have to listen to him.
You don't have to listen to him. You're not his property. We

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are their property. More correct,And it's just going in, um,
what was it, Timothy first Timothychapter three? Somebody did to teach me
on a couple of weeks ago.He mentioned that specifically about these silly women
who in the end times we're goingto leave away from sound doctrine and go

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to this ridiculous mess that sounds goodto him, and that's telling their ears
at the time. Yes, sir, And part of this is it right
here again, we are not talkingabout all women. We are definitely not
talking about the ones who are leadingteaching living kingdom godly principle. Okay,

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we talk about these other ones thathave just decided to kick all that to
the side because I'm a modern womanof twenty twenty three and I'm not going
to live the way, you know, this old fashioned star world. Okay,
all right, and in touch onwhat you were saying, James,
And to go back, you know, like he said, he's not talking

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about all women. But I can'tsay this too that as a woman or
a man. You know, theBible says show yourself approval, Yes,
sir. So you have to getclose to God. You can, you
can artists all you want, butyou have to get close to God and
learn yourself and learn who you are, who you are, who God appointing

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that, who you your authentic self. Yes, sir. You have to
learn yourself because a lot of peoplelooking at me and don't know themselves.
That's right. You have to learnyourself, growing yourself to understand who you
are, who you are, andso that when you have that relationship with
God, then you can hear whatGod wants you to do the concern that

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husband, or get in position towhere you can be able to have the
right husband or the godly husband inyour life because God puts together m correct.
Definitely, definitely won't split, won'twon't go Like a three string quarter
is not so easy broken. WhenGod is in the middle of that thing,

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God is going to take root.So I'm telling all women, all
men, when when you allow Godto come in your life so hard and
you give it to God, Godwould speak to your spirit because you can't
understand their soul wounds. There thathas to be healed. Right, take

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that has to be rectified in orderyou for the get to where you need
to go. So listen to themen of God when he was saying,
when these women, these women whogoing through are going through eras of soul
wounds, hurts, hurt because theydon't want they don't really want to hear.
They want to hear what fees there? Flesh was that hurt, you
know, So once you get healedof that, that's going to allow you

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to really hear and go after whatGod has for you. That's good.
And I mean myself, I hadto learn that things that I did not
only passed on generations from my father, my family down, but things that
were so wound, so tied thatGod had to heal me of that.
I had to learn that that Ihad to grow. And I thank God

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from my wife because if God hadnot spoke through her and use her to
the fullness, I would not bewhere I am today. That birthed me.
You got understand people, people alwayslook at men as the head,
but you got understand when now thisis, this is, this is so
profound. When God laid Adam down, he took a rib from he took

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a rib from him to form eyes. So if that's the case, Adam
was on the bottom right right,people was don't talk right. Yes,
so he never was on the bottom. I mean you had to be the
foundation, right, yes, anthat mean God uses you, He had

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to use you the birth Eve.Yes, you're helping me. So though
she's the weakest vessel, she's actuallystrong because God used when you get it
put the right position, she's gonnause to birth something you. Yes,
sir, Right, women and menof God, you gotta understand here in

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order for you to get where yougo. We need each other. But
you got to be in right,the most important person, not even though
it's the family God, even thoughthe family before the family came together,
it was one, it was Yes, the single person is the most important
person because he had to build onAdam before Eve came. Yes, sir,

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Yes, sir, there was atransition. So yourself right first before
you want to bring somebody else in. Yes, sir, that's great.
I'm gonna leave with that. Sothat's good. That's good. Definitely a
good point. That's good. Thereain't gonna be no backglashing on you,
James on that, so we clearthat all up right right, you know

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my mom tho when it comes allthis, I don't care whatever. Michael
jack And said, look look atthe man or the woman in the mirror
and so and and test yourself andsee what it is. Yes, sir,
yes, sir. What what thescript is? Say about the beaming
eye? What is the um?Yeah? Yeah, but if you don't

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know what I mean looking at research, it means your crap for talk about
side. That's good, that's good. There were your only crap first before
you sitting there. Talk about pointingout somebody else's That's what I mean.

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Amen, Amen to that, Yes, sir, Well, fellas shoot man,
we can probably go for the nextsix I was talking about this.
But good, this is good,yes sir, Yes, sir. So
we had about an hour and ahalf so final thoughts. That was good.
That was good. Find the thoughtjust um you know, allow God
to um to connect with God andand and don't listen, don't allow man

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and when I say man, meman and woman to be your God.
Yes, sir. To the sourcefirst, always the stores. See,
people like to go to the sourceand win. They like to go they
like to push past the the storesand all that and go to the factory
with the sources because they want toget the right deals. So if I'm

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going to the source, I wantto get the right deal. I don't
want to. I don't want to. I don't want the third party because
he the third party one that's gonnamess me up. Sir, if you
catch that, sir, I'm gonnause that, yes, sir, Yes,
sir, duc what you got forus? Final thoughts. Just wanted
to say that, Um, thefather is bringing the mail back into headship

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man amen, Glory God, GloryGod, and bringing the female back into
submission. Yes, ye, hey, that's that's good. That's good.
That's good. Yeah. So youknow, I enjoyed this tonight, Yes,
always, I enjoyed this tonight.I enjoyed you apart some maze,
I enjoyed you, my brother,um J K. Moore, I enjoyed

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y'all day. Yes, I enjoyedbeing a part of this tonight. It
was good. It was worth theweight, it was yo, yes,
yes, it was many, yes, sir, Yes, sir. I
look forward to the next one.Yes, absolutely, Oh yeah for shore

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boys sure and yeah, if Ihad any final thoughts, Um, why
are men leaving the church. Well, a final thought is there is no
one final thought, as y'all heardtonight, Okay, it is just a
wide range of reasons and like Isaid, many more that we even didn't

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even touch one. But if therewas anything any thought I would like to
leave you with is if you personallyhave left or are things about leaving,
The question is why? And evenmore importantly did that instruction come from God?
Come boy, I'll tell you ifyou leave before that, that time

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when you were supposed to guess whatyou is gonna end him going right back
and you have to stick it outfor a little bit longer. So come
on, yes, sir, Yes, sir, yes, sir. Well
again, I thank you guys somuch. My brother Apostle Calvin Mays,
our brotherhead doctor Apostle Maurice T.Bell again, friends J K. Moore,

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Um, y'all definitely have a blessednight. Bless weak coming up, yes
sir, Yes to everybody, Yessir, hand to everybody out there listening.

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Hey, we definitely keeping you alllifted up in prayer and yes yeah
man. Like I always say onbreaking traditional just if you think there's nothing
to pray for or pray about,then you obviously don't pay attention to this
world around us. There's always somethingall the way. It's something, amen,
yes, sir? Amen? Ohgreat god? So yeah, what

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was that bro I said? Ilove y'all guys man, Oh yeah,
I love you too well, sir. Yeah, absolutely man, thank you.
Y'all definitely have an awesome week aswell. And again, everybody out
there watching and listening, you guyshave awesome week as well. And until
we come together, y'all stay safeand stay blessed. All right, all

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right, all right, peace