"Natives Already Knew God" feat. Apostle Harold D. Jones

Discuss how some Native Americans already believed in and worshipped God before Europeans came and introduced them to Christianity. Guest host is Apostle Harold D. Jones.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:05):
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Speaker 4 (00:07):
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Speaker 1 (00:41):
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Speaker 4 (00:47):
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Speaker 6 (00:47):
Sometimes this thing takes a few seconds to catch up.
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Speaker 2 (00:57):
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Speaker 1 (01:05):
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Speaker 7 (01:13):
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Speaker 6 (01:26):
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see it coming up on on your page yet?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
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Speaker 6 (01:55):
Yeah, with these live videos, there's like a little bit
of a delay.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
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Speaker 3 (02:05):
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You might have to refresh the page, but then it
should yeah, it should pop up after that.

Speaker 7 (02:36):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
Well, I thank god because at least is actually functioning
right this time.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
So that's what I needed, Pastor Jones. I needed you
in the house and make it that.

Speaker 7 (02:49):
Sam.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Oh yeah, we would definitely get it done.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
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Speaker 4 (03:02):
Oh well, attachment see.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
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comment a good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
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Speaker 7 (03:17):
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Speaker 5 (03:49):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
What Oh we are doing well? Thank you for asking.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, uh, let's do this.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
All right? Excep up that where everybody should see it.
God moving up? All right, I'm not sureing that all right, m.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Change to the public passage. You're still there?

Speaker 7 (05:13):
Mm hmmm, okay, yeah, to roll out right quick.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
He'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
And in the meantime, I will go ahead and get
my customary greeting out the way.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Hello, Hi, and how do everyone? Welcome back to break
in tradition.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
And we are gonna wait for my co hosts to
come back in so I can introduce him and then
we will rock and roll. Mm hm oh good evening,

(05:58):
properties correcta, how were you see you have Bible study
in the night.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, all right, miss Bible study, make it happen. We
will still be here all right.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Okay, yes, sir, I tell you that.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Devil stays busy pastor. But ah, yes, sir, oh really well.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
I would like to take this time now to introduce
my co host Fantastic not as I always say, not
just awesome man of God, but an awesome man all
the way around that I've had the pleasure of knowing.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh wow, I guess a little over ten years now.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Yes, yes, sir, I tell you y'all, being in his presence,
being in the myst is truly an experience.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
So right now I want you all to help me.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Welcome my co host for tonight, Pastor Harold Dwight Jones
of Tangible Annoying Deliverance Center.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
And you go roll in North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
How you doing tonight, sir, I'm doing great, Apostle, How
you doing?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh, I'm doing great. I ain't making no doors for it.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Thank you so much for taking time out of your
busy schedule to join me tonight.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yes, it's an honor.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh well, the honors all mine, sir, appreciate you. Yes, sir, Tonight, Pastor,
we're gonna talk about some subject. Shouldn't say something.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
We're gonna talk about a subject that has actually been
on my radar a few times before. But when I
was attending your surface this past Sunday, one of the
things you said in your message just really I mean,
brought it back to the forefront and I'm like, Okay,
I said, hey, well lord, maybe now's the time to
go ahead and do this release that being the subject

(07:58):
of the Native people. And okay, disclaimer right here, because
I already know how some people are going to say, Okay,
whatever term you use people, native, Native American, Indigenous Indian.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Okay, the whole spectrum, all right, yes, but the.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
Idea that these people did not know or did not
worship God before the Europeans got here to introduce Christianity, Yes, so, sir,
before we dive into the I'm gonna say, fantastic information
I was able to find on this subject.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Just want to know your heart and your thoughts about this.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Why even even now in the twenty first century, in
the year twenty twenty five, there are still people who
think that the Native people, Okay, they might have worshiped gods,
but they didn't know the God that we worship, Okay,
the God of the Bible. So like in your opinion

(09:01):
or you know, if you know, for some people from conversations,
why is this there's this belief that these people did
not know about God before the Europeans got here.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, well, uh, this has always been my point of
view on it. As a lumbe ending Native American of
Robinson County. You know, for so many years we have
been tried to be recognized to the government, you know,
to uh uh you know, the White House, try to

(09:36):
get us recognized so we have federal grants or check
or uh casinos and make everything legal for us. You know.
So we tried so hard. They tried so hard, but
it seemed to always fail. But my question has been

(09:58):
to the Lord and with them myself, is why has
it been so hard off all these years, even before
my birthday for us to get recognized and also to
to get to the question that you ask. That's one
of the reasons. And we always be controversial, you know
what I'm saying. So that's one of the reasons that

(10:21):
I have. I'm not attacked to go to the power
wows of the Indians, you know, because they say they
praying to the Great Spirit, and they praying to the moon,
and they praying to the sun and stuff like that,
and I don't do that. I pray to God, to

(10:42):
the Father, you know what I'm saying, through Jesus, and
so I don't I don't pray to the moon and
reach out to the Fourth father spirit, you know what
I'm saying, And so I know God is raised up
for people that's always going to be different in every
generation and in every race and every nationality around the world.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yes, they're very very good point. So that's interesting. The
people you say you're from is pronounced Lumby Lumby endings.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yes, m You've got Cherokees, you got Cherokees, you got Blackfoot,
you got the different nationalities of endings, you know what
I'm saying. And so, but we we are considered the
Lumbe Endings, and it's been thought so much to say
the reason we have not really been recognized is because

(11:40):
they can't find where lum Be come from. You know,
we got down here that goes through lumber to North
Carolina and it's most of the area where lum Bees
live at it's in Robinson County and some outside of
the county. But so of course we got the lumbero
the well I wanted we need to find out why

(12:03):
is it called Lumber River. Was it called Lumber River
because it's trying to come up Lumbing or why was
it Lumber River? You know what I'm saying, and so
uh and so, but there's a reason. It's a reason,
and one thing we need to do is make sure
that we have always had our heart directly right back

(12:25):
to God. It's it's just been one thing, one thing
after the other. If if we be recognized, then then
it'll be fine. And if not to me all as well.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Hey, completely understanding.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
And that's a I guess that's an interesting fact because
we know a lot of cities, even states in the
United States are named after the different native people.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
So you know, I would think of course lumber Ten,
North Carolina. Yes, yeah, it's got to be named after them.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
And you also brought up a good point because of
course in this area you mentioned them. You're about the
Chickasaw and the chopp Taw Cherokee. Of course, you know
that's what my mom and her family, uh people, Yeah,
she was from. But you're right, I have never heard
of Lumbee before. I actually heard you mentioned that particular

(13:20):
group the other day.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
So yes, yes, sir, yeah we are. We are so
called considered the Lumbee Indians. And yeah, so that's what
they call us, Yeah, the Lumbee Indians. And like I said,
they've been trying to get us recognized for years and
years and years, but it's never it's never happened, it's

(13:44):
never coming to play.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Wow, as far as you know, is that something common
among I mean, of course probably, I'm sure you wouldn't
know aboudy every group. But is that like a common
thing among groups that how they have to fight and
fight and fight, and even again still to this day
in the twenty first century, they still aren't recognized as

(14:09):
an official people.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, to the best of my knowledge, of the Cherokees
and all of the rest of the Indian race have
been recognized federally, to my understanding and to the best
of my knowledge, we are the only Indians that has
not been federally recognized to where we legally you know, yeah,

(14:34):
to where our insurance is paid, you know, year round
and different stuff like that, because most most of them,
I'm not saying, oh if I'm not speaking for everyone,
but most a lot of the Indian race that I
know have been poor, and you know, they have been
raised up on food stems, medicaid and stuff like that,

(15:01):
and so, but then you got the Cherokee innings and
different endings like that to where they get a check
everly every month.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
Wow, yes, sir, okay, so yeah, there's definitely got to
be some some shady or dirty dealings behind that, because
I would think, again, I don't work in the federal government,
have never worked, matter fact, I believe that department is
actually called the Department of Indian Affairs, yea, the federal

(15:34):
branch of it, and I wouldn't I would love to
know from them. Okay, y'all, what is it a numbers thing?
You're y'all thinking that maybe because it's not enough of them,
we're not going to officially recognize them, or what is
the hold up? And to me, if I was one,
I'd be like, Okay, that's a slap on my face,
because it doesn't matter if there's one or two of us,

(15:56):
it doesn't matter if I'm the last one.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
I'm still here. We deserve to recognized.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yes, yes, yes, now it would really be a blessing
if we asked, the lumb Endings would get recognized. I
don't know why, Like, I don't know the behind us,
and you know why it's been so hard, you know,
but it's it's really has been a battle.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
Yeah wow wow.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
But this is the thing about it is that even
even the headquarters st to be Lumbe Headquarter in prem Brook,
North Carolina, that we're supposed to have grants and money
to put us in the house in and do different
stuff like that. Even when you go up there is
something and it's been known, it's been known that you've

(16:47):
got to know somebody to get the house, you got
to know somebody to get your bills paid, and a
lot of stuff like that. It's you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Who you know. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
And I figured that it was something like that, because
I'm not gonna say that that's just something that's that effects,
you know, the area we live in down here in
the South. I was told by this guy when I
was like working a job. I was like eighteen, nineteen
years old. This man, he was well into his forties,
had been in the navy, family, grown kids, and I'll

(17:23):
never forgive him his name.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
His name was Floyd, but his nickname was Fuzzy.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
And he would always I mean, just impart fantastic nuggets
of wisdom, and he always call me young blood.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
He was like, man, let me tell you something, young Blood.
He said, when it comes to this world, it's not
what you know, it's who you know.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
That's anywhere you go yes, sir, And it's sad to say,
but it's really in every level of life from the
wealth is until until the lords of loves. Yeah, so
you know, yes, but thank God he ain't like that.

(18:04):
But you're glad God sound like that.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, you better say that. Say it again.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, I was thinking today, I said, God, I was
just thinking about some things of some things that people
is ridicured in saying and bashing us and talking about
stuff they don't even know what they're talking about. And
I said, you know what, if I was God today,
I would end it. I would end it. I would

(18:33):
end it today. They wasn't a little another hour.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
And I understand that. You know, they said that, the
Bible said, Paul said all things work together for the good,
but sometimes it's the working of it don't feel good.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Not at all, not at all, you know.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
And I'm so glad you know that you just confirmed
that I'm not the only person things like that, because yeah,
you know, just like you, there's been situations I've been
in and or more precisely, different people I've had to
deal with. And yeah, I'm like, boy, I'm like if

(19:14):
if if if and say what I want to say
right now, I would care. I don't care if you're
a father of six, you know, like if you dropped
dead right now, I wouldn't miss that one second of sleeping, now,
don'tkay exactly.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
We had to be honest exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
And so now I know why.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's reason I've learned why. That's why the prophet turned
around and cursed them kids.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
He had to be foolishness exactly exactly.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
And and other of my teachings, I talk about the
apostle James that the book you know who wrote the
book in the Testament. Yes, and I'm like, if you
all do some studying, some background study, because you're not
going to get it actually in the book. People usually
refer to that book for two reasons, one about not

(20:12):
being you know, fast to want to be a teacher.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
And the other one is about the tongue, the importance
of the tongue, watching what you say.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
Well, I finally found out the reason why is because
this man was known to call down literal fire from
heaven when he just got fed up.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
Yes, he was one of the original apostles, and Jesus
told them look whatever you bind up on on earth
would be bound very.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Loose on earth.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yes, sir James, he would lose some fireballs. I'm like, oh,
that's why he did such a detail that announces about it.
You might even want to be careful what you say.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Wow, So that's why he said, if it man like
it wisdom, sir.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yes, sir, so wow.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
It's a constant fight, you know, not to live up
to my namesake, because you know it's a certain times.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
How some change that's it, sir, Yes, sir. Well, I
have a video here.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
And you actually mentioned the phrase that the Gentleman mentions
them in this video from the YouTube channel. It's called
never Hold Traditional Teachings, and it's not long, it's not
even ten minutes long. But when I came across this
and heard what he was describing and how he was
describing it, I'm like, okay, I said, this sounds very familiar.

(21:46):
Of course, the language and and the wording are different,
but I'm like, okay, I get the idea of what
he's saying. So go ahead and get that pulled up.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Oh yeah, we're gonna check this out right quick.

Speaker 8 (22:02):
Okay. The father is referred to as Nita means our father. Nhitah,
it can be understood to mean our father that is
the greatest of all fathers. He is a supreme being.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
He is the great Spirit.

Speaker 8 (22:20):
There's another thing that we call the evil spirit means
all of a sudden because of him, came about all
the things that can be thought of as evil and
as unsacred, as corruption, to all things that is good,
and that all things that are beautiful.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Wow. Okay, so right off the top with the language
he's using.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
See, yeah, it was interesting because he used and okay, y'all,
I'm not about the butcher that beautiful language. But the
word he used that translates into our father. Okay, yes,
exact same way how Jesus taught us everything with Jesus,

(23:00):
everything he did. Jesus never did anything of himself.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
It was always the.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
Father, the Father, the Father. Yes, until he taught us
about the Lord's prayer. He said, this is how you pray,
and the prayer starts with our Father, who is so
I thought that was very interesting how he started off
his description about this, and then he went to say

(23:26):
that that being that they called that is like you
said earlier, he said, the Great Spirit, the spirit of life.
He turned around and he talked about there's also an
evil spirit, an evil spirit that leads to all things
bad and corrupt.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
So okay, there is almost no doubt.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
In my mind that Again, if he's not directly because
of course they wouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
The English terms for God, Jesus or Satan.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
But just from what we heard is, now, does it
sound like he might be describing what our concept is
of God, the Father and Satan.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yes, sir, it could very well have been that what
he was saying. See from my experience of and this
is I'm gonna just talk from my experience of fifty
five years of living in this culture of the Lumbey
Indings is I found.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Out this that.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
In my time that a lot of our some but
not all, a lot of our Indian race Lumbey engines
that I know. So I can only talk about the
ones I.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Was.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
It was really not the kind of seek God to
think the Father, you know what I'm saying. And like
I said, the last time that I even win and
it was years ago, about thirty years ago, uh wow.
And the last time I went to a pow wow.
And I can see you some videos where of the
Lumbe Indian pow Wows. I guess some videos were you know,

(25:11):
how they're dancing and the car, the customs of what
they were and all that. You know what I'm saying.
And uh, and let you see even further into what
I'm talking about, you know how they worship and what
they do and what they say. Yeah wow, matter of fact,

(25:34):
I matter of fact, we had I had a couple,
this uh Indian couple that was coming to the church.
And and on a Tuesday night where we was having
certain and all at once, I said, somebody mentioned that
the Lumbe Indian power Wow was coming to uh Lumberton,
to the Pemburg area. And I said, well, I'm not

(25:55):
and I was, but I was minnister church and I said,
I will I refuse to go to the love be
ending pow wow uh and and worship some other God
than some kind of the spirit.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Of course, you know they never came back to the church,
you know, so I knew that it was rooted and grounded.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
In that right. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
And okay, and those of us are people who might
be listening go back to watch this that don't know
what exactly is a power wow.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
It's it's where they let dance and make the ends,
play the drums, and they were the feathers and the
skulls of animals and or skulls or woods and and
all kinds of stuff, all the other face and the
face painted and dancing and doing all kinds of stuff
like that.

Speaker 8 (26:50):
So that's yeah, is it?

Speaker 6 (26:55):
Is it fair to say it's some type of celebration,
But don't necessary They want to say religious, But it's
something obviously it's some type of celebration that they're getting
dressed up in those certain things and playing drums and
things like that.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
It's definitely a form of their religion. It's definitely form
of their religion. And and and I would say and
worried like this, but I've never talked publically this open
about it, but I would say to them, it's their revival.
Oh okay, it's like us having revolted church. They have

(27:33):
their revval.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh okay, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Looking at a great pipe and the and the great pipe,
and the smoking in the and the smoking the great pipe.
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
So so no, so okay.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
So pretty much it's a big party. Then there's such
food and dancing in the gym.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, interesting, oh.

Speaker 8 (28:07):
Great, go ahead, the cool news, and the traditional teachings
of our people. There are a lot of things that
we can share with people that are actually available from
other tribes. In fact, one of those subjects is the

(28:29):
Great Spirit and the other tribes and that, of course,
just like they probably have different names for the what
they recognize as the great Spirit. Among our people, we uh,
we have a great Spirit. And the the way that
we come to the understanding of the presence and the
existence of this great spirit is the two boys that

(28:52):
made their journey to their father, and Uh of course
had a lot of opposition along the way, and they
went there to acchoir weapons from him so that they
could come back and destroy all of the evil monsters
that were killing and destroying all of the the net
or the five fingered being. And their journey was not easy.

(29:13):
It was very difficult, and they met people along the
way that were mentors and would help them to accomplish
their objective, and so they until they made their journey
to their father. Now the father is referred to as
nikitahn Jah. Now niku Jah means our father Nitah. It

(29:34):
can be understood to mean our father that is the
greatest of all fathers, niitrah. So in the prayers of
our people when they're offered today, they say nitah jihana eh.
Now that part of the wording of a prayer johannah eh.

(29:55):
A lot of times our people misunderstand that word. The
actual word that is being said isn't hit high jig
not any was the way that I said. And some
of the songs in prayers, the one that sees us
and watches over us by sunlight, or sometimes they might
say the one that sees us and watches over us

(30:17):
by moonlight and by other source of light.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
And nikki kitt okay, Yeah, so this is sounding very familiar,
just like you mentioned earlier years to the naming of
the Great Spirit, and like you said, they know bringing
to the moon.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
You just mentioned watching overs about the sunlight and the moonlight.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Exactly exactly exactly, yeah, exactly right. And I've been around it,
and so that's why I know. And uh and and
like I said, uh, some of the videos, I can
sing you some of the Lumbe Indian power wow, and
I will later on, okay, and I'll send you some
of the Lumbee Indian pow wows and let you see

(30:59):
and be deserve for yourself.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
And I'm not the only one.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
They many others, but they are solid about it. But
there are many of others, like I said, but they're
solid about it. But they won't participate an it either.
Oh okay, yeah, because they don't want to. They don't
want to go through the fight, the fight of having
the feel like they portrayed their own lum the race

(31:26):
and it's really not it's really not portrayal. If we
you to serve the living God, that.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Okay, right exactly, And you know what that sounds like. Okay,
how many people do you?

Speaker 6 (31:41):
And I know who, because I mean, let's let's take
this this walk with God, this kingdom experience.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Okay, there's some people who live and do the walk
in the kingdom like Jesus preached and instructed.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
And then there's those who living out this really religion
that was created in the name of Jesus, who, by
the way, he did not ever instruct us to create
a uh, yet another religion in his name. And it's
like the same thing when people come to the actual
truth and the fullness of who God really is and

(32:19):
what he instructs us to do. Oh yeah, they want
to be quiet about it. They don't can't leave the
church because you know, this is the this is the
family's church. And yeah, oh goodness, you know our names
on the view and on the stained glass window and
things like that. I don't want to disappoint anybody, and
things like Okay, who are who supposed to be more concerned, well,

(32:46):
not concerned, but more focused on pleasing? Are there humans
or the God that many of us claim we believe in.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
In worship, Yes, but by our variations, it doesn't look
like it. All right, that's right, that's awesome, that's very good.
That's why I tell folk, That's why I tell folks.
According to the Word of God, there's one thing. There's
one thing, according to the Bible, that's more powerful than

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the word of God. Listen to it closer. There's one
thing in the whole world that's more powerful than the
word of God, according to what the Bible says. Paul
begin to address him, He say, your tradition has made
the word of God none effect. So if my tradition

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can make the Word of God not resonate or have
any effect in the whole generation, the whole family or
wherever I'm at. That means my tradition was more powerful
than the word.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
My God.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yes, sir Paul, say, your tradition has made the Word
of God of noney. Think that's why I hate the
spirit of tradition. It's okay if it's some good tradition,
like you're gonna, you know, assert tradition you're gonna have
like every the year we're gonna celebrate our mothers for

(34:21):
Mother's Day, I'm gonna just use that, okay, Or our
fathers for father Day, I'm just use that or recognize
our mother whether they're going on or not. It's okay.
They has some truth. But when the tradition is more
powerful that when I've had I've talked to people and
show them the Word of God and let them follow

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with me.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
While I was.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Reading it, it was plenty as anything ampossible, it was
plenty as anything. I said, follow me. I said, read
it time my God through read it that look at
me and said, I just don't believe that way. I
just don't believe that tradition, their tradition. They were so
hooked up in tradition. Don't go to church, they don't

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go to church to read the Bible. They don't go
to church, or and even if they don't, well have
they said, they said, way, even the ones who don't
go to church. There are people that don't go to church,
but they serve God. There's people that don't go to church,
but they have a relationship with God. So let me

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say that first. But I'm talking about folks that don't
have a relationship, don't go to church. It's not gonna
listen to you. It's not gonna listen to me. It's
not gonna listen to leaders. And even though we tell
them about the spirit and show them by the word
of God, their tradition still is not gonna accept it.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's it. That's it.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
The word the tradition have made the Word of God
of none effect in life.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yes, sir, absolutely correct, and you are absolutely leave right.
I'm like it is right there in black and white,
or if she's speaking in red and white.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
And yes, like you said, it's still yes, yes, Okay,
Well I still don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yes, what uh huh, that's right there, And let them
rate it, let them rate it, let them quote it,
let them read it. Tell you, I just don't I
just don't believe that I'm here. I'm standing there a
lots of times. I know I'm saying a lot of times.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
M hm, yes, sir, absolutely, and I have done the
exact same thing, and I'm like, wow, so yeah, you
are absolutely correct. These traditions right there in their face.
And that's why God gave me. Okay, I did not
come up with this on my own. God gave me

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the name.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Okay, yes, wow, breaking tradition, break the tradition, and that's powerful.
It's powerful. And I like the simber that's going down
through breaking tradition, lightning and it's bloated up. Look at that.
Look at that. That's powerful, that power, and that's what
we need. We need to sound alarm, just like you're doing.

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We need a sound alarm. You know, if somebody's gonna
get it, somebody's gonna receive it, somebody's life is gonna
be changed.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
That's absolutely right.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
And your I was fantastic for catching that that line
going down that symbolizes the tearing of that veil when
it said Jesus hung his head and gave up the
ghost and the veil in the Great Temple Tour and
ripped symbolizing that we no longer needed priests or other

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people to partition.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
God on our behalf. We now have by the blood
and sacrifice of the Savior.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
We all can now go into that holiest of holies,
to that recite and a petition and receive of God
for ourselves. So, yes, sir, you are absolutely rape and
we are in a day we are in the day
to where scripture is so fulfilling itself because when they're

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talking about fathers turning against sons, mothers against daughters, white
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Okay, it wasn't talking about just as far as famillion relationships.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
It's talking about people who call themselves believers and part
of the body of God.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Turn against each other and begin to rip each other
to pieces.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Absolutely, absolutely, that's good. That's the truth to you, sir.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yes, sir, you're right as a as a spirit.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Today in us. Hell of my sons and daughters over
in this area and uh, and I have a few
in Ghana and that I've met in person, and so
so eventually, what I tell them, when I tell my
mom and them and those that are around me, if
it's wrong for you, it's wrong for me, I tell them.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
If I don't want you.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
I said, I need I'm accountable to you, just like
you supposed to be accountable to me.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Yeah, in order to have good sons and daughters, we
need good mothers and fathers that know that if you
can't do it, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Just because my office I may set different than they said,
you know what I'm saying, it's still I have I
got to be accountable. I gotta be accountable, you know
what I'm saying. I gotta be uh connected to them,
not disconnected. I gotta be connected to them. I gotta

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make sure that we're all in the vein.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, sir, you know what I'm saying of the Lord, Yes, sir, yeses.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
It might have been a little off there, a little bit,
but uh but it just made me think when you said,
it's not just in a natural you know, you say
in the spirit, because because I know you the experience,
I'm pretty sure your experience it two. But I've had
some good ones in the past recently, in the past years.

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That was supposed that they said to me that they
though the Lord was connecting us together and I was
stepping this person it's probably about eight years ago to
be my spiritual leader. And he was the one that
tore me down. And if I had up, he had

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destroyed our whole ministry. Wow, because everything that we had financially,
we was giving it to them.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
Oh man, yes, yes, oh well, we definitely war. We
praise the Lord that that did not come to pass.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Goods. And I love what you said. You said, be
accountable to make sure we are in the bane of
the spirit.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
You did not say be accountable to other humans, because
we got to be accountable to you.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Yes, all spirit, Spirit Spirit.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
The Boy revelation talks about the final great judgment.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Okay, it ain't gonna be organizations of humans sitting up
there next to God when God judges each with and everyone.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
But they're gonna be done. They getting judged too.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
That is so powerful and so good. This is what
I tell folks.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
This is what I tell folks. And nobody had never
taught me that the Lord began to show me that
Apostle James, God begin to show you. He began to
show me work. Tradition and religion came in and separated
the body of the real body of Christ. They read
they read in the Bible about the John the Baptists
they want and started them a Baptist church. They read

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in their way and said be holy they want and
started them a holding This church they're read in their way,
talked about the God God, and they started a matchurch
called the Church of God. And so then if I
was Baptists, I come fit in with the Church of God.
If I'm the Church of God, I come fit in
right with the Baptists. But God began to have to

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really deal with me some years ago. And let me
know that I don't preach the organizations. I preached the lives.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
We preached the change life, change lives, not to divide life.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Don't get that's what you're hearing from, sir.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
This is this is why the invitation was extended, you know,
so we we can share, Like I said, all those
fantastic nuggets of truth and revelation you have made for
other people.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
No, sir said, say it all.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
And so that's so that's what come in. That's what
came in the separation. I would begin to telling them
years ago, apostle things. I feel, this thing I just felt.
I begin to begin to tell them years ago, I said,
there's coming a date were God's naughted people is not
going look like the regular church. They gonna come and

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name were God's unnaughted people. It's gonna be those that
he drunk out of the whorehouses. Them that he drug
out of the dope houses. Then he stopped from selling
drugs them. That was murder us. But but but uh
uh uh have paid the fries and now they free them.

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They have tattoos from face to the toes, long hair
and dreadlocked, and the ain't gonna smell like us. But
they're gonna be gods anointed. They're gonna have a word
from the Lord, and they're gonna come to great tradition
of man's cold church.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Who, buddy, I hope you heard that. Heard that? In
the name of Jesus.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
What I sit in this room althoth the week in
and week out and say the exact same thing. That's
why I have absolutely no bones about the fact that
I see here wearing graphic T shirts. Yeah, I got there,
and you can see I got all types of stuff
going on behind me. I'm a you know, essentially, I'm

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just a huge geek.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I love comic books.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Movies.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Yeah like that. So yeah, so I know for a
fact there's been people who probably clicked on one of
these videos like, oh, I'm about to hear you know,
a word of God.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Took one, like I said, took one, look at me
and look at that background.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
They be like, oh, I must have clicked on the
wrong thing, certainly of God because he's not wearing a suit.
He's not, you know, standing behind the pull pit. Well
that's how I checked. I don't think Jesus wore a suit,
and he's stood behind the pull pit, so you know,
you know what I often say, as deep as some

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people like to pretend and think they are, often say,
if Jesus.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
The Living Christ were to walk up into.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
Some of these churches to day, Yes, he purposely sat
on the back rope, so yeah, we couldn't see him
or recognize him, and some of them go so far
as to probably not even let him step footing in
the door at all.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yes, he carried him.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
So that's powerful. That's very powerful. That's why I'm thinking
the same thing if if he were personally in the flesh,
step in the house, step in the church houses, the
majority of them, I won't be scared to say, ninety
some percent of them wouldn't even know he's Christ.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
They wouldn't even know he's Christ. That's why. That's why
even Paul Paul's right, and see said, now listen, what
I need you to do. I hear what God was
saying in the spirit, and now what I need you
to do is I need you to not be to
make sure you very careful to entertain strangers. You need

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to be very careful, and you need to entertain strangers.
Because some have entertained angels. Yes, it, but they didn't
recognize that. They was unaware that they had met an
angel because they were looking for God in another way.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
M hm. So that angel, that Angel of God because
it's the part and then smelled the part that look
like the church.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
My God.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
You're absolutely right. You are absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
And like I said, you touched on it. I've touched
on it.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
It is going to I mean, Jesus even said themselves,
those that put themselves high or put themselves first, going
to be lest Yeah, who are least.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Are going to really be first?

Speaker 6 (47:37):
I imagine I'm telling y'all some people who y'all just
think and swear are going to make it into the
Kingdom of heaven because they got to make them ministries
or you know, one hundred thousand congress that attend, and
they got to sit houses and cars and all that
stuff all over the place. If you're basing it just

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all that. Boy, a lot of y'all gonna be in
for a rude awakening on that when people see pastor
a lot of the ones who are really gonna make
it in.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yes, yes, it's gonna blow the little minds. Yes, it's
going to blow their minds. Okay.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
And how many has walked by Apostle James. How many
is walked by Apostle Bell? I wonder how many is
walk by Pastor Jones. And they saw the Apostle James
Apostle Bell, and they felt, for some reason in their

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spirit God telling them to give you some money, that
you had a need or something's going on. Oh God
just said release some money. This this get. And then
they looked at you twice and walked away. Mm hmmm,
because you didn't look like the Christ, you didn't look

(48:58):
like a church, you didn't look like what they thought
you should have looked like. Oh I suppose to look
like as so they won't the way when you was
the one that had the word to deliver them from tradition.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Woo.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
But they lost what they could have got and kipt
what had him in bondage.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Mm hmmm mmm.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
And that ain't nothing but the truth. Oh, readings are possibility.
You doing to night, sir? All right, glad you can
make it, Oh.

Speaker 8 (49:40):
Right, go ahead to click baker on here, which is
very important because that is the light of truth, and
it is something that comes from nigga, yeah, or the guitar.
That shouldn't make it interesting. And sometimes something we say
when he recognizes truth or don't say that he is

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not getting the light of truth. And so it's very
important to understand and the teachings of our people, our
young people, especially that we do not pray to the son.
We pray to the being that is the supreme being
that is recognized as the father or or maker. And
if you want to use the word creator, that's that's fine,

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but it is that he is a supreme being. He
is a great spirit, and he is the one that
is the maker of all things.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
He is.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Now I do love how he said that last part.
How they're teaching the sons and the young kids. No,
don't pray to the son who know you, pray to
the one who created the summon.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, that was a great creator who prayed created everything.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
My God. That was good. See that was good right there.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
That was good.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
That was good that we need to tell our sons.
You know why he was able to say we need
to teach our sons that they don't do that because
he's been around those that did that. He's been around
those that did that. Time he said that, I said
to myself, there it is. There, it is, so I say,
there's some all of us are telling them. Don't you

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go that route?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Ye?

Speaker 6 (51:17):
Absolutely absolutely, And y'all, even though where of course the
subject tonight is about natives or indigenous people. Okay, this
is not by a long shot just regulated to this.
This is everybody on planet Earth. I don't care what
ethnicity is.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Okaybsolutelyslutely is what God put me here for.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Jones, Yes, sorry, Apostles, Calvin Mains and many Okay, pastor,
to keep you a bunch of people, this is what
He put us here for.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
And look, y'all, look all we are.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
We are just ambassadors in God's kingdom just for us
to talk on his behalf, work on his behalf, because
he did place us in these flesh bodies, which by
the way, it is not our real life. We are
spiritual beings, but we need something physical and tangible to
operate in this physical, tangible world.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
But this is it.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Just like the teacher right here on the video, we
are just here to deliver the truth and the revelation
of God.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
It is up to every person individually whether they're going
to accept it or whether you ain't my God.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
That's true, that's powerful.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
Yes, it because Pastor Jones, I don't know about you,
but I ain't got that kind of time in my
life to be running behind people same things, same things, you.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Know, holding up a Bible trying to bust them across
the head with like that would do it anyway.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
So we don't have no time at all off of that. Uh.
There was times where I tried so hard apostle to
help folks that try to make it where I myself

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was miserable. I was trying to help somebody else have peace,
and trying to help them have peace so hard and
to hold on made myself miserable. Mm hmm. And that's
when I found out that the first and most important
thing in the world is me first.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
God, that's it.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Oh h. I think it was Paul saying I refuse
that after I have preached the gospel that me myself
be cast away.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Come on, come on, you and person.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
You know there would be so fellow believers out there
who would who would take issue with what you just
said or what would have some type of problem with
us thinking like that, Yes, okay, but once again, people,
it is in the work, okay, perfect example. I am
not about to go and be standing outside of an

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abortion clinic day in and day.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Out with my signs, with a sign in one hand,
with my Bible in the other hand, you know, costly
telling the young ladies.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
Who are going in there how they're going to go
and burning hell, you know, because they're about to have murder.
That okay, Like like these people don't don't already know this, right,
they know what they're doing, they know what the possible consequences.
And then you got others who don't believe in anyway,
So why do they care what you're saying? They don't,

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they don't honestly believe. That's a I have a no
hell or whatever. Okay, that is not what God told you.
He didn't tell us to get violent. Matter of fact,
I believe Jesus said, you just go wherever I designate
and command you to go.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
That's something else.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
A lot of believers miss the mark on They just
take it upon themselves to go places they want to
go or feel they should go. Okay, supposedly deliver the
word and then got to get mad or get feelings
hurt when people don't respond. Okay, No, we go where
Jesus commands us. He said, if the people there in

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that city, that town, that abortion, clint, that whatever. Don't
real what you were saying. As you leave, you know,
the dust of that place off the feet and keep
it moving, you're say, But he never said you forced
them to do anything, which brings up a good point
that I was. I guess now is a perfect time

(55:50):
that I was going to get around to. Yes, looking
at this whole experience from the let's say, the other
side of the coin, Okay, is it reasonable and fair
to say that the reason not not only the you know,
hundreds of years ago when the European colonizers came here

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with their their brand of Christianity, and tried to force
or impose it on the people.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
So not just those people then, but even the people now.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
Okay, is it fair to say the reason why a
lot of these people, even if they okay, if they
had no concept of God, they didn't refer to him
as the art Father or the Great Spirit, just none whatsoever,
why they wouldn't want anything to do with God or
Jesus when it's being forced on you at the end
of a sword or a gunpoint. And of course this

(56:44):
is after these invaders have taken your lands, okay, done
whatever they felt like doing with your women.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
And children, and this separated you all.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
I mean, okay, is it fair to say there's a
good reason why a lot of these people didn't want
anything to do with this God or Jesus elf?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
He allowed that to happen, you know how, they said.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
You know, that's a very powerful and legit question. I
was thinking about. I know this fellow right now, he's
older than I am. He was raised up in the
church that I was the sort of per se raised

(57:29):
up him, and the hold in his church. Both of
the leaders now is dead, which was his mom and daddy.
They were so strict to get to your your question.
They were so strict on him and forced him to
go to church, and so God de madded instilled inside

(57:56):
of him that today, right now, okay, he don't have
nothing to do with church or God mm hmm. And
didn't even go to his mother general wooly, I promise you.
Why I promise you because she made him hate church,

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She made him hate just hearing God.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
She was so subdicial.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
That in his own life he didn't know how to
be free, got married, got married, had two sons, and
didn't know how to be free. Yep, the way it
was inspired in him and pushed in him and just

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and messed him.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Up, my God. And yes, sir, you you're right.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
I've known a couple of people like that, and I
mean the exact same story, because it was so the
automatically pushed on them and pushed on them. Yes, they
say one thing, got parents house and got free. They
were like, man, okay, forget.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
This, that's right, exactly wow, so exactly sorry. I'm sorry,
he has said, and he had been said. He has
said that when his daddy died first he said, he told,
he told many people, he said, when Ma dies, I

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will not go to a funeral. And this here had
took place too. I remember I talked about his he
got married and had two sons. Well, what had happened
over time? He and his wife both separated. Okay, so

(59:59):
just what this one did this and that one did this?
Over time they separated. Okay, the other time they separated.
But what had happened is, uh, she was trying to
serve the Lord, but under them right on to where

(01:00:21):
imagine being married to your wife. But she's acting like
your mama used to treat me. No, no, no, yeah,
uh huh. And so so he left, went and got
involved with this other lady, with this other lady. And

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so because he was involved this other lady that when
his daddy died, his mam said, you can't come to
the center up for funeral if you got your girlfriend.
So he made up in his mind. And she's still
gonna do be that straight. And I'm forty, almost fifty
years old. I ain't even going to university dies and

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he didn't neither. My god tradition, breaking tradition that makes
people run from God instead of run to him where
he can make them free.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir, matter of fact, that's
mind of that scripture and Matthew where Jesus is criticizing
and pretty much putting the religious leaders, okay, putting them
on on the mat is saying you all, same type
of situation. You all have hammered in and you have

(01:01:44):
just beat these people down with these religious customs. Okay,
not only have you shut the doors of heaven so
y'all ain't going to enter in, but because of what
you've also made sure that the doors of happening were
shut for these people, and they're not gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
To enter in.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Yes, yes, amen, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Goodness, gracious, y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
The irony of how it can be the quote unquote
people of God by through their own actions, if definitely
influenced by satanic spirits, actually complicit effect on people. Just
like Pastor Jones said, instead of drawing them getting the

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people to want to know God, you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Said, drive them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
You drive them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
If every time you come around me, I make you uncomfortable,
no matter how much inwardly you love me, When you
and Apostle Bell leave from around me, no matter how
much you love me, you're gonna tell Apostle Bell I'm
just using y'all, you know, I love Pastor Jones, but

(01:02:56):
it just makes me feel so uncomfortable with it. And
we got to dress this way, and we got to
look this way, and I love Pastor Jones, but I
can't be freeing myself around it. Okay, Then the next
time you come around, you love me, you want to
come and see me, and I'm the same way. You
have a good time around me, but I get and
start irking your nerve by my tradition, and you can't

(01:03:20):
be free, and you can't be yourself. You being looked
down on because I'm judgmental. Eventually, no matter how much
you love me, my ways won't bring you back continuously
in my life. It will push your way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
That's absolutely rape. And I hope people do understand. Now,
there's one thing. If people do that out of ignorance,
which ignorance just means that they're unlearned, they don't know
any better. It's a difference between doing that and doing
it quite on purpose, because please believe, you are gonna
have to air for that for doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
It on purpose.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Exactly, m M, exactly. That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Don't know what we're gonna do with him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
I know it's something. It's something. There's something I am
it's something, you know. That's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
We're gonna least a possible be We'll let him take
care of him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, he's gonna have. He gonna have on
one one the other. Yes, yeah, I heard the possible.
Now I ain't, I ain't act make with them niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
That the person was spot on.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
The exact same thing I was saying, like, oh no, no, no,
I ain't got time for him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Possible said, well can it me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
That's right, the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Kid me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
That is him?

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Oh my, oh man, all right, go ahead, see okay, yep,
about four minutes of this left, because I think so
right around here, he's about the transition from describing the
our father in the Great Spirit to describing the other one,
the evil one.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
The one that provides us all the goodness and that
that we have, and so he is the one that
we ask help us to maintain our journey on the
beauty way path. He is the one that we make
the corn pollen prayer offering too, or the sacred stone
offerings to hitarn Eh, or the one that watches us

(01:05:55):
and takes and carry for us, and observes us and
protects us by the as a son. And so that's
one being, the one that we call the Hitar, and
that is the Great Spirit. He is the father of
the Holy People. He is the main sacred being.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
He is the father of.

Speaker 8 (01:06:15):
He is the father of all of the the other
twelve that are referred to has Asia one and all
of the other people that we recognize the son of
your son and all of these other holy people. And
then finally we also have another being that that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
A lot of Okay, I was gonna let this play,
but I panted to go past that part without saying something.
While very interesting that he mentioned that the Great Father
was the father of the other twelve holy beings that
they prayed to, And I'm like, okay, the twelve holy beings.

(01:06:53):
First thing came my mind, the twelve apostles Jesus gathered
together and then deployed out. So yes, I wasn't there
back then. Okay, we're talking about literal hundreds thousands of
years ago, but yes, and I also don't believe in
coincidence whatsoever. Right to take what teachings and events that

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started roughly around the area of Northern Africa and what
we know today as the Middle East and for the
people who and of course, I mean it's known that
all peoples originated from that area, and then of course
they went out to different parts of the world. So
it is very very real and possible for me to

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believe that this teaching that he's talking about here they
actually got it, as there are people whoever their original
people were from over there that later became the Navajo.
And he also mentioned the other tribes you know who
these beliefs are part of. Oh, yes, it is very,
like I said, to me, plausible to believe that. Yeah,

(01:08:03):
what he's talking about here, at least in part, is
what originally took place during that time with Jesus and
those apostles, because okay, what are the odds that it
would be twelve other beings that would sit under this
one supreme holy being?

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Yes, yes, sir, yes, sir, wow exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yes wow.

Speaker 8 (01:08:31):
Alright, Native people on that that's like the our people
that there's another being that we call the evil spirit.
The evil spirit is there, and I don't like to
talk about him because a lot of times people want
to have a lot of information. They can get all
of the information that they need to become.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
A witch or whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:08:54):
People a person that utilizes the power of influence to
do things that are not right, are not good.

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
You can okay that that's Satan, Demons, fallen angels, evil spirits.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
That is the description of them in a nutshell absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
About And Pastor I know for a fact you tell
people this, these people there are people out here that
trip me out talking about what a demon made them do,
or talk about what the devil made them do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
The devil nor any demons have that amount of power.
They can't make you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
Do anything until and unless you invite them in, and
even then they're only influences.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Right, exactly exactly because Pastor.

Speaker 6 (01:09:49):
I said all the time, if Satan had that type
of of if Satan exercised the amount of power that
people want to attribute to him, like you would have
either a taking all of humanity y'all way way way
back now, Okay, we wouldn't be sitting here now or be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
He would just always always always make.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
Sure to take out any person who gives their life
to God or does like we do out here preaching
and teaching and share okay, the wisdom and the Kingdom
of God.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
If he had that much power, he does not. I'm
not saying that he does not have power.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
Don't get twisted, okay, because he is still the highest
ranking angel. That never changed, never changed, y'all right, which
is why I tell people how it described in the
Book of Job, how he was able to go into
heaven and before God's presence and told to him and

(01:10:48):
partition him about pretty much you know, wrecking Job's life.
And also he was able to stand in the presence
of Jesus to tempt him after Jesus' or during Jesus
Wilderness experienced forty days.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Oh, yes, sir, tell people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Know he's still an angel, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
Yeah, of course, certain privileges and access that were taking away.
He's dorcial going to end up going into the lake
of firefall eternity. But angelous status has never changed, right,
never changed. So yes, sir, when I hear the teacher
here talking about, okay, this evil, this great evil one

(01:11:28):
that influences that, and that influences and these people down
the roads of things like witchcraft and stuff, Yes, sir,
man man.

Speaker 8 (01:11:39):
From other sources, but you can't get it from that then,
And it is very interesting to listen to the teachings
of how this evil influence or evil being came into existence.
He was considered a holy person at one time, but
he among the other holy people, he didn't get his

(01:12:01):
way and a lot of the things that he suggested.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
The word.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
Okay, Pastor Jones, Yes, he was a holy being that
didn't get his way, and he influenced other people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I mean, who does that sound like?

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Sound like m hm?

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
Yes, sir, y'all, This Satan not wasn't like I just said?
Was he not the highest angel?

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Was not beautiful being? In his way? Did he not
want to be worshiped just like God?

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Wow. And again y'all, the gentleman said right here at
the beginning of the.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
Teaching, Okay, this is all the stories and the beliefs
and the tradition. Uh, several different tribes, nations of people
had way before again in the Europeans stepped foot on
this dog on country to bring Christianity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
These people already had this belief.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
So again I have to say, there's no way and
no reason to believe that these people had no knowledge
of God of Satan, of all the events that we
have in the Bible, Like I said, of course, with
anything historical through the passage of time. Yeah, certain things

(01:13:37):
are going to get changed. Sometimes things are gonna get lost,
but the core, okay, the core or the foundation is
usually always going to be there. Yes, yes, sir, right,
I'm sorry, Pastor Jones. Did you want to add something
that was on it?

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
That's perfect, that was right, that's good what you said?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
All right? Which horn?

Speaker 8 (01:14:07):
Which horncle CIVI the kids, that is very important to
understand the words which Honkle say.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
What they kids?

Speaker 8 (01:14:17):
That means, all of a sudden, because of him, came
about all of the things that can be thought of
as evil and as unsacred, as corruption to all things
that is good, and that all things that are beautiful.
And so even today when we say don't just tuanta,
which means don't think that way or even begin to

(01:14:38):
think the ways of evil, do'n just tuanta. And then
we have some one ceremony that I don't attend anymore
and I will not attend, and they call it which gardia.
I don't like the ceremony, And there's even part of
the enemy Wave ceremony, and dah, there's certain portions I
don't like at all, And because has been so corrupted,

(01:15:01):
and I think it's because of the influence of the
the one Yeae that we call yay Geen Yayjeene. They
sometimes refer to him as the evil one, and when
they say bitch edy, and that is very much something

(01:15:22):
that is negative, bitch indy. And so when people really
get annoyed by someone or have some real serious bad
feelings of someone, they say edie taodo, which means may
he go and be among the most evil of evil
people in his demise.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
And so that's not a good thing. That is not
a good thing, but it is then giving that person
to the most evil one, bitch indy. And so the
ceremony of some portions of the enemy way dan dah.
And also we're trying to I don't like those ceremonies
because they have a certain portion of it that kind
of point people in that direction, and I think that

(01:16:04):
is wrong. But there is an evil spirit that is
talked about very little among the net We discuss his
actions in the Sweat Lodge, and some of the ceremony
were because he threw a temper tantrum in the Second
World when people would not accept his ways. He set

(01:16:25):
fire to the Second world, and so the things that
we are told about the evil one or Yashi is
very much important just to be aware of just to
know that there is that evil spirit, that evil force,
that evil influence, and to be aware of those things,
and those are the things that we are told.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Wow wow, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
Man, So what he said that last part reminded me
of exactly what you said starting off when you said, yeah,
look I don't attend those power wows and those gatherings anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
And my man just said the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
You're like, Okay, once I realized that part of those
ceremonies were purposely trying to direct people into fellowship, into worship,
into whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
With this, okay, yeah, I'm I'm out. I don't have
time for it no more.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
That's right, man, exactly, the man, oh man, exactly. Wow, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
All right, Well, I did have one more thing on
pastor that I wanted to touch on, you know, with
wrap it up on a nice note. And that's an
article I got here from the Mission Network news website
and it's titled Native American Christians bring Hope to their People.

Speaker 9 (01:17:59):
Okay, all right, let me make that just a little
bit bigger. Oops, get out here, Okay, there.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
All right, So it says an off overlooked mission field
is gaining recognition in the United States. God is making
a move amongst Native of America, and I'm happy to
be a part of it, says Wes Francis, a member
of the Naver Whole Tribe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Francis works for sir.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Oh, unless I would just say in the neighborhood try
oh neverhole.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Okay, ye, sorry about that, My draw gets in the way.

Speaker 6 (01:18:44):
I'm supposed to be the mispronounce these words the never
whole tribe.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Yeah, you said it right, apostle.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Oh okay cool.

Speaker 6 (01:18:52):
Sir Francis works for on Eagles Wings, a division of
Ron Hudgecraft Ministries. He's part of a small but growing
team bringing the hope of Jesus to Native communities across
the US and Canada. A lot of people out there
don't know much about Native America, or you know, it's

(01:19:13):
just a community they drive through. Francisis, the Church for
a long time has been blinded to Native America in
the same way Native America has been blind to Jesus.
And this part right here again just really made me
focused and pinpoint in on one of the things you said.

(01:19:34):
This past Sunday do pretty much the same thing, like, Hey,
a lot of the Indians are just blind to Jesus
or they want to mix, you know, them a little
bit of Jesus with a little bit of the let's
say unholy or or non God traditions or activities. So

(01:19:55):
I was like, yeah, I said, I definitely focused in
on that one. So twenty twenty, Pole found that Native
American Evangelical Christians believers who actively share their faith, comprised
less than one percent of the total US religious population.
Although six and ten Native American Christians who responded to

(01:20:19):
the survey identified as Protestant believers, only twenty eight percent
were evangelical. In other words, very few Native Americans have
a relationship with Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
And those who do, oh what you we say you agree.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
With that one, pastor, Yes, sir, absolutely, wow, absolutely, And.

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
You know what, And I say again, I mean, of
course again, I know we're mainly focusing on the natives,
but I'd say that again, y'all that that is not
just exclusive to Native Americans, that's everybody. There are a
lot of people these days who don't know God, don't

(01:21:08):
know Jesus or whatever they do get of God.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Or Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:21:13):
Okay, it's by some probably some half cracked relative of
something of theirs, like unfortunately, like the gentleman you were.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Talking about earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
Yes, they back up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
They don't want anything to do with a God.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
Who's associated with all of that exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Which is said, Which is said?

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
When I go onto some of these reservations and I
share my story, one thing that pains me is the
one thing that pains me the most is my story
is not where princisses.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
When it comes to America.

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
There are young people all across the United States who
know what it's like to grow up with no father
or father who doesn't know how to be one. I got, yes, got, y'all.
He is absolutely right about that. The US you will
find that absolutely, yes, sir. There is something so beautiful

(01:22:13):
about how God's word communicates, and he's the perfect father
and is exempt or too far from his love. It
means everyone in this world, every tribe, and every nation exactly, exactly, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
We have plenty of scriptures, y'all for God and soul
of world that he gave his.

Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
Begotten son, that who are leaving him to not paris
what one of our one of Jesus's last recorded commandments
to his apostles.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Now we'll walk into the world.

Speaker 6 (01:22:54):
Okay, preach, teach, baptized in the name of the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
It's not exclusive to any one group of people.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
Everybody. Everybody can partake in it, all right. This Jesus man,
he's for everyone. He's also for Native America. Yeah, everyone
that that's not changed. Native America is.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Part of the world, ain't absolutely all right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
So when he said go.

Speaker 6 (01:23:28):
Into the world, he gave us life for the world
that included Native America as well.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Absolutely, so, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:23:38):
Like I said, I just wanted to share this article,
I'm like, all right, right on, you know, talking about
this foundation that's specifically focusing on preaching teaching Jesus to
the Native American people who either a have never heard
of them, or, as so many people say about Christianity,

(01:23:59):
it's all a white man's religion.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
Yeah, I've heard that a time or two myself. I'm like, well,
I don't know how people arrived at that conclusion. The
term Christian originated in what we know is modern day Turkey.
Let's I check. I don't think the Turkish considered themselves white.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Okay, come on now. But outside of that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:24):
And even more important, we have more than enough evidence
and in scripture that points to the fact that there's
no way that Jesus was a blonde haired, blue white man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Come on, okay, just not at all.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
But let me ask you this, Pastor Jones, because this
is something because of course, like I said, i've heard
that before the whole you know, it's a white man's
religion and people going to you know, all the examples
and evidence and stuff, which I know. But here's what
I asked, well, or what I've started asking people as
it relates to that. I'm like, okay, let's say Jesus

(01:25:02):
was indeed a Caucasian or white man. I'm like, did
that stop or does that stop the reason he came
to Earth to do what he did? Does that change
that fact in any way shape or for him?

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
I know, im sir, not at all, not at all,
not not.

Speaker 6 (01:25:24):
Even smidgeon it. And so I asked him, so what
you what do you need? What should we be more
focused on? Okay, his outer skin color and ethnicity, or
his mission and purpose for coming here?

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
That's right, exactly. I don't. I'll tell folks like this here,
I don't care what color your skin is when I
need prayer. Who I don't care what color your skin is.
If I need twenty dollars worth of gas.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
To get to my house, that's where.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
As long as I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Get to where I need to get to, As long
as I get to where I need, as.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
Long as God is hearing that person prayer and I
failed it, and they just helped me get the place
of deliverance, I don't care what color their skin is.

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Because I've said, I'm like, look,
I couldn't care less if Jesus was black, brown, purple.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Okay, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
I'm pretty sure that that shed blood was a dark
reddish brown color.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
That that's the only color I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:26:38):
Concerned with when it comes to Jesus, Yes, sir, because
that's the only, the only thing, the only way that's
guarantees that I'll get to see them again, but more importantly,
ring with him in eternal life. Okay, the COSMETICSTO couldn't
care less, and I've tried to tell them, y'all, focusing
on that superficial is definitely a tactic of the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Dog on enemy. Yes, right, because as long as it
can keep.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
Us focused on again, like I said, superficial crap like that,
we're not focusing on what we need to be focused
on his mission the kingdom, spreading the word unabashedly, unashamed, unadulterated,
and when it comes to us unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
Yes, so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Yes, sir, yes, sir so yeah, pastor that there it is,
there it is.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
So we find out today, y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
Yes, the wording, some of the naming may be different
as far as the mythology and the history. But as
we saw on her for ourselves tonight, yes, no, many
natives were indeed aware of God and Satan before on
European ever step foot on this dog on soil. And

(01:27:57):
I would venture to say, if we did this same
thing for Central Americans, South Americans, okay, and other people,
we probably find the exact same type story.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Absolutely their their names for them will be a little different, their.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
Uh, mythology would be a little different, yes, but the
exact same thing. Jesus said that he would have to
be preached to the entire world to give everybody before
he could come back. Okay, yes, that didn't just start
with you know us here modern day in the United States. No,

(01:28:33):
that includes all the other people who came way before us.
They deserve the same egal chance as well. Yes, yes, sir, yes, sir.
Will a pastor any any final thoughts, any final nuggets
of wisdom, anything you want to give us.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Yeah, will a lot to say this here I have.
I don't have no clue why, but I'm gonna tell
you this here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
The Lord has me.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
Stay in before him on behalf of your life. I
don't even know if you've ever asked God for this
or not. He didn't talk to me about that part.
But one thing He has me standing in the guilt
for you about is a restaurant, whether you like it

(01:29:29):
or want it, or whatever you want to do in
life as you begin from now or to get older.
We believe in God for you a restaurant to feed
people anything they want to eat, but encourage them to
eat healthy in the name of Jesus. So we believe
God for a restaurant with your name on it. Amen,

(01:29:56):
in the name of Jesus. We need folks like you
that has a diversity mindset that whatever you put your
mind to and whatever you put your faults to You're
the type of person can make it manifest, even if

(01:30:18):
it takes a little time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
And so we believe in God for some reason. I'm
believing God and he has to me praying and talking
to him about a restaurant for your life. That's all
I have. Jesus. I want to say, I appreciate you
having me tonight in the name of Jesus, or you

(01:30:41):
listen to me. But I commanded to come forward. I'm
telling you I was fixed and move on. But I
commanded to come forward because God can. God. If God
commanded the ravens to feed Elisha, God can command the
ravens that bring your food to the restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
He could command people to bring you truckloads and back
it up to a place, or back it up to
wherever you're gonna be at that you're not even aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Yet, surely am not? You are? And I want you
to hear me.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Hear me closely, Yes, sir, you hear me say Sunday
that a couple of months ago, God show me in
a dream about the flag at half staff at the
White House. Okay, that happened. But on February twenty eighth,
I had a dream. I woke up that morning and
I begin to say, I did a live on Facebook.

(01:31:47):
I said, the Holy Ghost God is visiting me again
in my sleep. And I'm telling y'all we need to
pray for America because I see the flag at half
staff again. Just as God, the same God, my father
that visited me about that flag is the same God

(01:32:09):
that's talking to me about the finances and miracles of
finances in your life. Well, he's quoted it and quoted
it and quoted it. But I'm telling you I know it.
I know his voice. And God has eyes have not
seen miracle for your life. Lord pears have not heard

(01:32:33):
for your ministry. Wow, And neither has it come into
the heart of man for your whole life. And God
he wants to touch your bloodlining for some reason. And
I don't understand why, but I do know that God

(01:32:53):
has worn He's gonna bless you. Get ready, brother sons's
up something.

Speaker 6 (01:33:00):
Sample his name in Jesus Nama, in Jesus name, and yes, sir, yes, sir, yes,
sir you Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Aside from the.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
Restaurant, everything else that you said has already been spoken
and declared.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
So this and you you didn't know what.

Speaker 6 (01:33:18):
I haven't discussed any of this with you, y'all. That's
proof right there. See, didn't I tell y'all this is
an awesome man of God. She sing the man lip
service and obviously right, one time prophetic man of God. Also, yes,
thank you, yes, sir, Yes, sir, I receive it. Thank

(01:33:43):
you so much for releasing on that word.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
Thank you, thank you, yes, yes, raising up entrepreneurs. God
is raising up utentrepreneurs now. For some reason, it's just
been so over your head, just so all over you.
I was watching that Sunday, watching watching that Sunday before bath.
For some reason, he wants to take you into that place.

(01:34:06):
Take you into that place, whether you're doing it now
or not. I'm telling you, God is gonna give you
weedy ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
You could take it to the bank.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
If he's got to wake you up in the night
and show you something crazy and make you think something
you ain't never thought about. Get ready, God is up
or something you are doe me with plenty of money.
Who I'm telling you in the name of Jesus, watch

(01:34:38):
God and Jesus name. I guess I'm done, But walking
I don't do it. God show me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
I called my spiritual.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
Leader, my pastor in Ghana. I hesitated to do it,
but I called it. I said, the Lord said. I said, Papa,
if it is okay, I want to talk to you.
Can I minister tell you? He says, sure, Pasta Jones, Sure,
I welcome in anytime. I said, well, I'm a little
nervous because you know I honor you in that ranking.

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He just wanted to give him honor. And I said,
but the Lord showed me, y'all fix to have a flood.
He said, my God, apostle, that's not good, but we
need inner. See that is not good to have a
flood in this area and we need inner. Sid I can't,
I said, that case, we definitely praying. But God show me.

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Seven days later, daughter was flooded out. They had water
up to their chests where they was walking through. Wow,
just like God said. See, God has some of us
that people ain't recognized. And that's all right, that's all right,

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that's all right. I tell folks, just because I got
a horn on my truck don't mean.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
I got the blow.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
If I don't need it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Well, God will make your lips, make your tongue as
a pen of a ready rider in the name of Jesus,
and when he needs to get a word through, he'll
make you said, whether you want it or not, that's right,
in the name of Jesus. Can we believe bring God
for you, Man of God. We believe in God for you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
And I'm bored witness to those prophetic words you spoke,
even as far as going back as those fires that
that were all were starting in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
I remember you had mentioned that, and she doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
Even think it was a week exactly it was today, Yeah, said.

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
Well, you know, a week later and what what are
we saying on the news? Wild fires starting to know?

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
I was like, well, Jose, exactly, you're exactly right, Man
of God, the Holy Gust visiting men of sleep, and
then I see sleep. I've seen fires all over in
North Carolina. I've seen fars jumping the road. I've seen
fires hitting woods in different places. And I did the
live you seen that, Man of God. Two days two

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days later it started just like the Lord said, yes, sir, amen,
and Jesus saying.

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
A men, Amen, Well again, sir, I do thank you
for your obedience. Thank you for releasing those words on me.
Of course, you know we love you. I love all y'all.
Appreciate being to yours h being in y'all presence. Yes,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
And next time y'all come down, we're gonna have y'all
we're all kinds of food. I all buff faced.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Out the possibility. Did you hear that? Let me look
because the next.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Time I'm telling you, well, every time y'all come down,
we're gonna have all cod We're gonna have in then food,
black folk food. Why we're gonna have buffet. Oh my goodness,
we're gonna have We're gonna we're gonna eat the African Americans.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
Oh man, well, I've tasted that good food come from y'all.
So yeah, I know it is going to be a
treat and I look forward to it. Louiam caller, Louiasm.
Well you all right now, I'm about to share This

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is the link to face excuse me past Harold Jones
facebook page where he does the Lives on Sunday mornings
and on Tuesday evenings. Y'all, okay, let me tell you
you all, please please please please follow this link and
for those who may be listening to this on the

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audio version, I will put the link to his Facebook
page in the description of the audio version. But you all,
if you want to truly be blessed, and I mean
see somebody preach straight from.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
The throne room of God.

Speaker 6 (01:39:17):
And and you know, if if God wills might even
receive a profit, he word, just like when he released
from me, follow this link.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Go listen to this man. Release the heart and the
mind of God. Y'all. Thank you, and go looking for
the heart and the mind of God.

Speaker 6 (01:39:37):
If you going there with your old religious traditional self, okay,
you you ain't gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Last long in there at all. Okay, Jesus, it ain't
that type of party.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
But if you're looking for some truth, some straight up
down hold truth, and also keep your feelings to yourself
because your feelings might get hurt. The man, I say, okay,
is he filters as much as he can, y'all. But
of course, if I'm sitting there talking to him, got
him being on here, And y'all know how I get
down on here. Okay, you know, I got to be

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associated with the same type of people. This is not
a feelings thing. God does not care about our feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
I don't know where they get it from. Passon, I
truly don't know where these people get that from.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
Talk about how mean we are and how hard we are.

Speaker 10 (01:40:32):
Okay, Jesus flipped over tables leaders, Vipers and Chris Yes,
and one woman. He likened her too, being like a
dog sitting at the master's feet under the table. I'm sorry,
we in nicely, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Mm so my thing is he if it was good
enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Yes, it is, absolutely Oh but.

Speaker 6 (01:41:03):
Yes, y'all please so again, here's the link to his
Facebook page. Tuesday evenings, Sunday mornings and you know, whenever
else God might lead him to do it. Go go
to the page, make sure you follow him, and just
get ready for awesome downloads, awesome downloads.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
And again, like I said, I love it. I love it.
I love it. Or Pastor, we're gonna we're gonna try
to be there again this weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
So okay, awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
You know, if y'all don't have the big buffet ready
this weekend, hey, that's cool.

Speaker 6 (01:41:35):
You know what I'm saying, Well will saying for another time,
but oh well, we can still come and feast on
that that awesome word and fellowship and the family.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
So we got you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
We're gonna have your something right.

Speaker 6 (01:41:48):
Oh hey, well there it is, yes sir, Well again,
pastor any any final words, any closing thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
Keep the good work up. This is powerful. Everybody needs
to be educated and it takes someone with with with
encouragement and encouragement and courage to do what you do.

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
Thank you for that, yes, sir, oh I would say,
to do what we do because yes, you you definitely
you know, released the true hearted mind of God. And
like I said, sir, I love you and appreciate you
for it. You too, yes, sir, thank you so much. Well,
all right, saul On behalf of myself and this other

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awesome country boy were just a couple of country.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Boys sitting there talking about this guy. Think you o, man.
I want to tell you all to be safe, be blessed.

Speaker 6 (01:42:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
This is all for free. I do not do subscriptions
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Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
Christ already paid the price, okay, when he shed his
blood and resurrected, so there's no price I can put
on top of this information.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
Which is still his word. Okay, he is the word.
All I'm doing is sharing and relaying it, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
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your heart's content and again absolutely free, don't charge anything
for it. So y'all until next time, y'all. Remember to
be safe, y'all, be blessed. Remember to love yourselves, but
try to love all the people a little bit more,
which is one of God's great commandments. Yes, and again
we think this awesome, mighty Man of God. Pastor Harold

(01:44:24):
Dwight Jones of Tangible Anointing Deliverance Center in Rolling, North Carolina. Again,
I thank you, brother, thank you for joining me tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Yes, thank you, Yes, sir, I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:44:37):
And of course it goes with our saying you have
an open invitation. We welcome you back at any time.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
Blessings, lessons, yes, sir, Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:44:47):
All right, y'all, So that does it for us, so
Lord willing, we will be back next week to do
it all again.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
So y'all take care and we will see y'all when
we see hen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Yes,