Women, Give The Word! feat. Apostle Comilla Mays

Discuss how God NEVER said that women could not lead or have to be silent in HIS church!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
So tonight me and my co host will be talking
about a subject that has been a hot topic, debate,
a source of contention, I would say, ever since the
church was ever even invented or instituted the way we
know it, that being that women should not be in
positions of leadership and should not be teaching God's word

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to anybody, men and women included. So we are going
to hop into the scripture, take a look at what
the scriptures say from Old Testament the New Testament, and
go ahead and start breaking this tradition that women are
not supposed to be in positions of leadership because God's
work does not line up with that, nor does it

(00:46):
support it. So if you all already go ahead and
hop in, get comfortable, let's do it. So, Hello, Hi,
and howdy. This is Jamie K. Moore welcoming you all
back to break in tradition. And right now I would
like to welcome my cod for this series of woman
Who's no stranger around these parts. She's been on here before.
So we have wife, mother, grandmother, CEO, public speaker, recording artists, actress,

(01:16):
entrepreneur and five four Gifts operator apostle Camilla Mays. How
are you doing tonight's sister.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Come on through, Come on through with that introduction, my brother. Okay, well,
praise God, I am doing exceedingly, exceedingly well tonight. Thank
you so much for having me. How are you this evening?

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh I am doing well. Thank you so much for asking,
as the old folks saying, I ain't making no noise
about it. And thank you so much for joining me.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, it's my pleasure, glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Thank you so much. So right away, Okay, the devil
already already trying to start.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Look, thank you're not strange. Thank you not strange of
what we're about to talk about tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Oh yeah, for shown, I have never had any trouble
whatsoever happen that intro video places I created it, and
tonight just now it is the one time we want
to start acting up. But yet no that will as
always you are a liar.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
So, like I said in the beginning, we are talking
about this concept that women should not be in positions
of leadership, nor should they be teaching men or probably
teaching any whatsoever within the church, or the more appropriate
word should be the ecclesia setting. So before we jump

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into this scripture, and as you know, we got a
lot of it. Of course we won't hit it all tonight,
but we'll hit as much as we can. Let me
ask you, being a woman and a leader in the
body of Christ, have you personally ever come across that
that somebody told you or trying to dissuade you from

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being in authoritative or a position of leadership in God's
kingdom because you're a woman.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Because I'm a woman. I was just saying, as you
were talking and bringing in the intro and everything, I
was sitting here thinking about that. And when I came
into ministry, I was surrounded by women in ministry, in
leadership positions. So I didn't really get that. Within our sphere,

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you know, of influence and you know, just everybody who
we would fellowship with. But outside, you know, outside because
you know, of course those women they had they had
male you know, leaders, pastors, husbands, they were married, most
of them were married, even the ministry. I was reared

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up in an apostle, a male but then there was
a female apostle, a pastor, and she taught all the time.
She had of course, she had a leadership position. So
I didn't I didn't get that like from infantry, like
in my, my, my, you know. Coming up in Christ,

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I didn't see that like that. But going outside and
hearing other people's story, I heard of a lot about it,
just you know, just hearing their stories. But I would
see a lot as far as you know, just the
men preaching. I'm like, why is it just the men preaching?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
The women can do this. And there's a certain denomination.
I won't say the name of the denomination, but a
certain denomination they they were teaching that women can they
can be evangelists. They could be you know, they can
go out and spread the word, things of that nature.
But they couldn't have a profit or propit, title pastor

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title anything like that. So God gave some gifts. He
gave you know when I know we're gonna go there
at some point. But they could be one of the
five four ministry gifts, but they couldn't be the other.
And I thought that was very interesting, Like this female
she could go, she could, she's called evangelists and so

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you know, but clearly there's a prophetical noyce in her life.
She's prophesying, she's prophesying and all those different things. But
they you know, kind of just you know, and see
the first lady lady or evangelists in that particular sect
or group. So personally, me like saying, you know, I

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can't go somewhere and preest because I'm a female, never
really felt that myself, but I've seen it across the OUs.
I seen it outside of like you know, like I said,
our group of people who we would fellowsh with a lot,
so because most again most of those were a lot
of women in leadership again having husbands, you know, covering

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them as well.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Mmm, okay, and you know what, you just brought up
something that even I didn't think about as far as
the whole first lady lady thing. So that's interesting. So
these women could hold a title or a position which
is not even scriptural, actual scriptural positions. That's that's where

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they decided to draw the line at.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
So they drew the line taking taking one or two
or so scriptures in the Word of God and magnify
and and and in my research when I was researching this,
I heard an interesting sing that people will scream the

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Word of God where it's meant to be whispered, and
whispered where it's meant to be screamed. Wow, I was like,
say that again. They would scream where the word of
God is meant to is whispering, but whisper where the
Word of God is screaming.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So some of the scriptures, we're gonna look at that
when you look at the totality, because a lot of
it came from our dear Apostle Paul. And so you know,
in a lot of those cases where he and you
look at it contextually compared to the rest of the book,

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the rest of the the rest of the chapter first,
but then the rest of the book. You know what
he was saying about the women, he was whispering, because
he only mentioned it twice.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
But but but what has happened over the years is
that they took that and they begin to scream it,
they begin to magnify that and focus on that, and
and and take it totally what out of context? Exactly
out of context and the words of our dear uh uh,

(08:27):
the late doctor Miles Gonna Row. He said, if your
context and your concepts are wrong, then your conclusions are
gonna be wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh for sure. I like that.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So that's what we're gonna be dealing with today some context,
some context, because everything has to be taken into context.
I could send you a text and I send one
word and somebody just read that one word. But you
and I had a whole conversation, But they all that
one word that I sent you by text, and they're

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trying to figure out our whole conversation without reading all
the rest of what we talked about, without understanding who
you are as a person, who I am as a person,
not using any external type of discernment, not using you know,
not going back and looking at the history of what

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we talked about, because it's a whole thing. You know,
you have to look at context. You have to look
at history, you have to look at the author, You
have to do a little research, a little digging, and
all of those things to really get the fullness of
what God's Word is really saying. And if you just
go off that one word that I text you, your

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conclusion will be absolutely wrong, right, you would not know
what we're talking about. And you can take that one
word and it said James said this, Camella said this,
and take it totally out of context. And I truly
believe that that's what's happening and has happened with the

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Word of God. How many times where we sat and
really taught how to study the Bible.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
When God dropped that on me last night, I was like, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Holy goes you, you go on a whole nother place.
But it's good. It's good here because in twenty plus
years in minus, you know, you just read the Bible.
Somebody may tell you start in the New Testament, start
in the Gospels. You know, they may tell you to

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start in the Gospels. You know, things of that nature.
But really, how do you study the Bible? Because if
you're just your only source is just you just picking
up picking up your Bible and and you there's no
external there's no additional research into the history of the
person who's speaking that Who was Paul, where was he from,

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what was his purpose, what was the main idea of
that particular book or that chapter. There's titles in those
sub chapters sometimes that gives us some clues who, you know,
what the time was, who were he talking to. It's
so much that goes into studying the Word of God.

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So that's something in and of itself, you know, and
that could be with any scripture anything in general, but
speaking specifically, can women should women? What does the word
say about women being in leadership role, women teaching, and
things of that nature. So the Holy Spirits gave me

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a whole crash. Course on, we got to teach folk
how to really study the Bible.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Come on, because you're going.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
To your conclusions about it. And I'm wondering if this
is why we don't see we don't see God's power
truly moving like it needs to. Because if our conclusions
are wrong and we're coming up with the with the
wrong concepts, the wrong conclusions and our answers and we're not,

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there's gonna be a disconnect. There's gonna be a disconnect.
Prayers could be in there because of it, you know,
you know, if there's a disconnect, if you got the
wrong you believe in one way, but that's totally the
opposite of what the Bible intended for. I have learned

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this in the last five years. My goodness, five years.
I'm like man right reading the word understanding the world
like the understanding level has just gone up so much.
Just taking that time to really one. Of course, we

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have to take some time to separate from some things
separating from some things, right, and and and and Apostle
always says it all the time. He says, we have
to unlearn some things exactly, unlearn some things and relearn.
So Apostle, to answer your question, yeah, I never really

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gotten that personally like that that I can think of.
Holy Spirit can bring something back to me right off
the top of my head. I don't think I felt that,
but I knew. And no steal of organizations.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Oh y'all, well, women.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Now you're you're you're evangelists, you know so, so they
do use the scripture where Jesus, you know, you sent
the women. Yeah, you can go spread the word, you
can spread the word and vangelize, go into the world.
But when it comes in the house of God, you know,
they want to have a different, you know, a whole
different type of conversation around that. Being in leadership per se.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Exactly. And excuse me. Something that dropped on me after
you know, we had initially he talked about getting together
to do this is the fact that the people, and
I say people because I have actually seen women who
say that women should should not be teaching or in

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the church. So the people, men and women who on
let's just say Sunday morning, will stand up and teach
that idea or stand up and teach that scripture to
try to justify why women should not be in leadership
while they shouldn't be teaching on Sunday, have no problem

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sending their sons to school on Monday. Nine times out
of ten the teacher is going to be wet.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Wow, a female, yes, yes, absolutely, wow, exactly, no problem whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
And oh my goodness, yo, God help us that if
it's mostly female teachers and a female principal and a
female superintendent over that district. Okay, there's your teachers and
your authority right there, no problem with it whatsoever. And
we're talking about for what twelve years, We're not going

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to include the female college professional, right, I'm like, man,
old man, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
It's just in the church. So it's just in the church.
So apparently is just in the church because you know,
they wouldn't be sending their kids in school because, like
you said, predominantly women. I mean to what twenty years ago, PLU,

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you didn't hear a man about a man teaching in school.
So that is an interesting point there. Wow, wow, very
very very interesting. I got a couple of points, but
we get to certain scriptures here around some things and
just breaking breaking down some scripture and really seeing what

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the context of things are around those scriptures.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
So hey, fantastic, And I mean, hey, at any time
you're ready to hop in with your points on anything else,
look just go ahead and hop on in and go
for it all.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Right Now, I saw you had Corinthians twelve up. Is
that where you wanted to start or is it?

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Oh, actually where I want to start. We're gonna start
with the scriptures that that I would say start started
this whole thing. And you already mentioned who the author
was behind me, first Corinthians fourteen, and then we're gonna
hop over to Timothy, which, by the way, in all

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New Testament that was research and find okay, in the
books and I'll just say the one specifically written by
the apostles that actually did sit under Jesus and learn
so in the books written by Peter, in the Book
of James, and then the New Testament books written by John,
we don't find that anywhere else about not permitting or

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for women to keep silent and not permitting them to teach,
only in these particular ones. So you know, just wanted
to throw that out there before we hop into it.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
And you said, in the Teachers of Jesus, you said,
and some of the other apostles that walked with Jesus.
And it was very interesting what verse thirty four said,
because what about the Old Testament? The Old Testament? Right,
you know, they're saying, as the Law also says, and

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we're gonna get this. So you got to ask yourself
the question, what law are they talking about? Exactly what
law are they talking about? So so we're gonna get
to that first CORENTHN. We get fourteen.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Oh, yes, First Corinthians, chapter fourteen, and we're gonna look
at verses thirty four through thirty eight. Got it, And
y'all usually, you know, I tell people I'll give you, you know,
a few seconds, a turn or two. But look, we
got so much the comfort. They just just hit the
replay and y'all can go back and listening.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
To you this is you're absolutely right. So so right
off the bat in verse thirty four, uh, it's saying,
let your women keep solid in the churches, for they're
not permitted to speak, but they are to be submissive,
as the law also says, if they want to learn something,

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let them ask their own husbands at home. Let your
women keep solid in the churches. But if they want
to learn something, that ask their husbands. Let your women
keep solent in the churches. In the Greek, when I
was doing a little research in the Greek, the word

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for women and wives are exactly the same.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh wow, you.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
See that exchange. It say let your women, not your wives. Right,
But in the very next verse it comes in it
says if they who? If they the women want to
learn something at home, If they want to learn something,
they're to ask their husbands at home. So a very

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another interesting point that I came across is that Paul
is talking about a situation, and I got a couple
of points. So I'll just break down the points as
I go because I'll get ahead of myself. So let
them ask their husbands at home. It for it is
shameful again. It goes back to women. For women to

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speak in church? Or did the word of God come
originally from you? He's asking the Corinthians, or was it
you only that it reached. If anyone thinks himself to
be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the
things that I write unto you are the command commandments
of the Lord. But if anyone is ignorant, let him

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be ignorant. Okay, thirty four through thirty eight. So looking
at context, looking at contexts. The first point here is
that when you read First Corinthians Chapter fourteen as a
whole and you find out what are they talking about?

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Because you can never just take what those that script,
that Versus saying in verse thirty four, Like I said
about that text I sent you, you can't just read that
one line of text. I said, you have to go
back and you have to read and see. Okay, what
is Paul talking about? Anyway? So in verse and chapter
fourteen First Corinthians, they're talking about gifts, as they were

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probably from the eleventh to twelfth to twelfth chapter. They're
talking about gifts and how gifts should be used in
the church, how they should be using an orderly, peaceful
manner and fashion. Okay and so and so. The one

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point that I came out of when it said, you know,
first fourteen, it was saying that women were not to
judge or evaluate prophecy in the church. Okay, they were
not supposed to judge the prophecy, because if we go back,

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they're talking about three different things. They're talking about tongues
in this chapter, they're talking about prophecy, and then they
were talking about the women. Okay, tongues prophecy in women.
If we go back and look at the whole chapter,
because again we can't just take that verse. We have
to go back. What's the purpose of Paul writing that chapter?

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What is he talking about in chapter fourteen? Okay, So
three things that we saw in chapter fourteen. He talked
about tongues that should be they should be kept silent
if there's no interpreter, correct, right, Okay. He talked about prophecy,

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how one should prophesy one at a time so that
the prophecy can be heard and understood. Okay. And so
then women was the next topic, and they were talking
about not so much as the role that a woman
should or shouldn't play in the church, but still keeping

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the line of that main idea of how things should
be done, you know, in a peacefully and an orderly manner,
because even in the Greek in that time, it was
frowned upon for women to be speaking out in public
that way, right, Okay, to be speaking in public that way.

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So again it was taking that that idea of what
we mentioned earlier talking about the word woman and the
word wise being the exact same word, and the Greek
and how these were conversations between like husbands and wives,
and they're taking it to make it seem like every woman,

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right if if they want to learn something, let them
ask their husbands at home. Every woman ain't got a husband, right.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
You just hit on a point that. See, that's how
I know we right here, because in my rereading of this,
I'm like, wait a minute, and that makes so much
more sense now that you break down the Greek definition
or the Greek synonym for women and wives, because my
thing was what if they don't what they're not married
and they don't have husbands at home, well, are they

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just not supposed to get their questions after?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Perfect? And also further, my research is stated that anytime
you see the words submissive, anytime you see submissiveness referencing
the New Testament is almost relating to a husband and
wife relationship. Why husband, submit to your husband? Why submit

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to your husband?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
You know?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Anytime you know, talking about submission is almost relating to
a husband and wife type of situation, our relationship. Okay,
So those why they were saying for the women, because
these women, you know, they were there judging the men,
was there judging these prophecies. They were evaluating these prophecies

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in the church meetings in the times when they were
coming together, and these women were speaking up, and they
were interjecting, and they were interfering, and just like speaking
in tongues without an interpreter, just like prophecy, everybody all
prophesying at the same time. Again, this was all about

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using the gifts and using it, about being decent in order.
We see it twice where in verse thirty three it says,
and we go up just a little bit more, it
said in verse thirty three for God, it's not the
author confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches

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in the Saints. And then verse forty comes and say
at the end, at the end, Paul sums this chapter
up and says, let all things be done indecently and
in order, because this is what the whole chapter was
talking about about. Making sure the main thing was the

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main thing, which is our gifts that we have are
here to benefit others. It's here to build and edify
the church. And so we want to make sure. It
kind of reminds us something you said on about one
of these platforms you're going to be uploading. You're like, no,
I want this to get up there. You know, I
want to make sure everything is you know, where it

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need to be so it could get to it could
it could service purpose in other words, you know what
I'm saying, and so and so that's what Paul is saying.
He said, we want to make sure these gifts are
serving their purpose. Because if everybody's prophesying the same time,
who who's evaluating, who's judging, who's weighing these prophecies? Who

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can hear? Who can understand these words? So let them
prophesie one at a time. Let that be an interpreter
so that the body can be built up so that
we can know and understand what is being said. And
women stop interrupting in church. You know, if they're they're
evaluating the the the word, they're evaluating and judging the prophecy,

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then then let them evaluate. And if you have questions
about you know about that evaluation, wait till you get
home to ask your husbands. Wait till you get home
to ask your husband's Okay. Another point was that Paul
was referring to a specific kind of speech and not

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all speech. So again this was not geared towards focusing
on what women couldn't or could not do in the
Body of Christ. It wasn't gender based, but this particular
chapter was gift based, not gender based. So out of
forty scriptures, only two of those verses talked about women,

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but thirty eight talked about the gifts. It talked about
the gifts. So again where the scripture was whispering there,
people want to bring that and they want to scream
those two verses, you know, they want to scream those
two verses. But what about the other thirty eight verses
where he's splicically talking about the gifts, talking about the

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gifts and and how they should be done in an
orderly fashion. Okay, So that was one point. There Another
point that that the men and women. It wasn't just

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you know, per se women, but there there's Paul is
pointing out also that there's time of women, women and
men like they should remain silent to promote peace, order
and a peaceful worship in the House of God period period.

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You know, because if propit is a propheesign. He's even saying,
if we're selling one to speak and one if one speaking,
another got to do.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
What be quiet? Be quiet?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
They have to be silent. That's basically what he's saying.
You know, one at a time, So you wait, you
let you speak, you wait. So still there's still that
that order is all about the order and not so much.
It's not so much about the roles for what women

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should or shouldn't be doing or speaking in the church.
Spiritual gifts. We talked about that spiritual gifts. Another point
is spiritual gifts are given to both men and women
and should be used to build and edify the church.
Because as we saw in One Corinthans eleven and I

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know we're gonna go there eleven verses four and five,
we saw in the Bible Paul speaking, he said that
every woman praying on prophesign. So we saw an illustration
in the whole book of First Corinthians when we saw
what they was a time when the woman she prophesied,

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she prayed, and it was done in a decent way. Right,
it was done decently and in order. But something happened
to where he had to address that at that time
to those people, because if he said every woman praying
and prophesy, even though it's talking about making sure you

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have a covering in those things of that nature, it's
still letting us know that there was women praying and
prophesying in.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
The church exactly, you see.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
And so again God, the word of God would never
contradict itself. It will never contradict itself. So we see
that in chapter eleven that Paul acknowledged that there were
women praying and prophesying in the church, but somewhere things
got out of order somewhere, and he had to address

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that disorder, because that's all what chapter fourteen was talking about,
the disorder. Okay mm. And verse thirty nine of that
same chapter first committed its fourteen verse thirty nine. After

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Paul addressed all of those things, he addressed all of that,
and he spoke, you know, if any man be spiritual.
Right after that verse there, verse thirty nine, he says, wherefore, brethren,
this was something else that that blew my mind when
I saw this. What does brethren mean? Is that is

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that just men? Is that just brothers?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh? No, Brethren means anybody who's of the same belief
and faith and you are so that can be men and.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Women, brothers and sstors, men and women, men and women.
And I went in another translation, but it says verse
twenty thirty nine says, wherefore brothers and sistors covet to prophesy.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
You know what I can ext call that seed fourteen.
And let's go down to thirty eight.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
And here we go, Ah, yes, yes, yes, share this, okay,
and yep, and this is the new new king James versus.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
But use there it is.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Therefore, brother, brothers and sisters, everybody who believe and of
the same faith desired earnestly to prophesy.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Why wouldn't he be saying, and to the men or
to the brothers, desire earnestly to prophesie? But he said
brotherre and that's everybody. So why would he say up
there that women can't speak, can't prophesye can leadership can't

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do this in church? But but then a few moments
they to say, desire to prophesie exactly give them not
speak in tongues. But he ends it once again. But
let it all be done decently and in order.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
That's it, and in order.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Do it in order. That was interesting. I never studied
that on that on that level, that particular scripture that way.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Mm hmm. It's because of how, like you said, how
we were initially taught these scriptures and what they were
supposedly saying, and brought up another interesting fact, because, like
you said, when you go in and start digging in
on these things, the fact that came up for me

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was the fact that, uh, this, this city of carip Okay,
this was a brand new city that Jesus and the
kingdom were even being spread into. Talked about now. Yeah,
people throughout different parts of Italy and Rome. They might
have heard some here and there, simply because Israel was

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under Roman occupation. But I mean to hear all of
this now and to have these you know, people start
rolling up in your city and pointing up to all
your usual gods and goddesses and now saying, yeah, that
that right there, that that's all wrong, okay, correct you
about the real gud in Jesus. Of course, people would

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have questions again, like you said, men and women would
have questions about. Okay, Manue, what are you talking about?
You know, what's this about being washed in the blood
and baptism and this that and this and so one
of the reasons I've bread that people give them some
background on that, again being that this was something new

(36:27):
for their city, Corinth, but also because and you you
actually touched on this a few minutes ago, because a
lot of times, okay y'all, that this was pre telephones,
social media, world wide, webin all this stuff. A lot
of times these people did not see each other until

(36:47):
they would gather together at a temple or a public place,
you know, for some event. So of course a lot
of times these women ain't seeing their friends or whatever
in days or weeks, they would naturally get the together
and just start talking about you know, other stuff, wow,
stuff that you know, didn't even have to do what
anything dealing with quote unquote religion or anything. And like

(37:10):
you said, it's okay because at any given time on
this planet, there has always been more women than men. Okay, yeah,
well you got a bunch of these women getting together, talking, laughing,
catching up, noisy confusion. Wow, Okay, Apostle Maze just said
that a minute ago. Yeah, that's why he had to

(37:31):
add in this point or the whole chapter about things
being done decently and in order, like, look y'all catch
up with what Susie and j D are doing on
your own time. Okay, right now, Okay, this is a
time where we're trying to teach you all what it

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takes to save your eternal souls. Wow, you might well listen.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Wow that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, you when you put it
that way, that's very interesting. How there had there been
a lot going on during that time, you know, something
new we can think about when when new things are
being introduced to us, like we're looking like like you know,
we're trying to understand what's going on, what's going on?

(38:22):
So that's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
So yeah, you said if.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
If if you want to learn something, I'm ask your
husband's at home. And so another part of that that
breaking down scripture is looking at the author, like what
was the author's purpose, you know, what was the author's
purpose of of? And I ran across something and I said,

(38:52):
I'm definitely going to table that and share. But but
but you look at the context, the history the author,
understand in the author's purpose and their style of writing.
Understanding that purpose in the style of writing. So it
stated that most of the time in space spoken by
the author in this chapter is about spiritual gifts and

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not about women's roles in the church. Kind of what
we were saying all ready, like he gave so much
space to all the gifts and utilize them correctly, and
then when he gets to the one little small part
about women is truly literally blown out of proportion, blown

(39:37):
out of proportion, you know. So his purpose was to
promote orderly worship and not to define women's roles in
the church. That was not where women's roles were defined there. Now,
going back to that verse one, when it says, let
your women keep silent in the churches, for they are
not permitted to speak, but they are to be submit

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as the law also says. So what law says that?
Where does it say in the old the Mosaic law,
you know, any law of God where it never says
that women were not allowed. And now that would have
been the perfect place. Okay, speak, Holy go see, that

(40:20):
would have been the perfect place right there. It would
have been an eleventh commandments are not to speak in
the church. That would have been a perfect place. But
this is something interesting the word law here. Usually when

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they are referring to the Mosaic Law or anything like that.
You know the law of God, the mosaic law. You
notice in the Bible, law is usually capitalized. The elder
is usually capitalized. When they refer to the law of God.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
And they usually say it too, they either say mosaic
law or I think more commonly they say the law
of Moses.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
The law Moses. That's what stated now, because they know
Moses ain't saying nothing like that, so they couldn't.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Say the law.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Most Paul didn't right the law of Moses, and it
said mosaic law, the law Moses, or you might just
see the law in capital letters, the eldest capitalized. But
this is all Lord, this is the law case law.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
So and the.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Research is said that of scholars believed that it was
referring to a local law. Yep, local laws like they
have local laws you know as well. It said as
the local law, but that was never a law of God.

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As the law also stated. There was nowhere like you
mentioned in the earlier you said, in the Teachers of
Jesus and the Teachers of any of his other apostles
that walked with him. We couldn't find that. We can't
find it in the Old Testament. I know we're gonna
go to where the prophet is Hulder, you know, and

(42:19):
how you know, she was a prophetet who spoke and
taught the word to everybody and anybody, you know, And
so that was not even something that was taught back
in the Old Testament. So what law, what law was that?
Some said it was a local law that was referring to.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yep, and the exact same thing I found in my
research too. And yeah, they they planned out said that
they were you know, they said, just like we've been
saying this whole time, a lot of these I'll just
say church just to keep itself, a lot of these
church people, they were like, some of them, okay, they

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teach this that concept out of ignorance. They were like, okay,
others of them teachers how to just flat out you
know what I'm saying, sexism about trying to you know,
keep women from really walking and being elevated in God.
But again research also says, look, this was the context

(43:24):
of the time and culture it was written in just
like you said, So, yes, local Corinthian law did not permit,
you know what I'm saying, for their their women to
speaking in general assemblies or service of their religious days

(43:50):
or things like that. So yeah, completely agree. It had
to have been something localized to that area or not
something a law that he was doing about exactly exactly,
all right. So first Timothy chapter two versus eleven, eleven

(44:12):
and twelve. The other the other one that they like
to graft on to okay, and use says, let a
woman learn in silence with all submissions. And by the way, guys,
guys specifically, I thought about male specifically when I say, guys, women,

(44:34):
submission to men does not apply to all women to
all men. The scripture makes it clear and matter of fact,
we actually are going to comfort that is talking about
wives to husbands, or way to say it. If you
ain't got no ring on her finger and putting the

(44:56):
roof over her head and things like, then she does
not have to submit to you.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That's right, clame the symptom.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Okay, already, man, I can hear them already. The names
this that that all man, You tell me whatever you
want to At the end of the day, you really
calling God that or the Holy spare. I didn't write
the Bible. So you know, despite what our society and
our culture has allowed to be attitude and take place,

(45:27):
that has nothing to do with gay and his original
world be I mean his original word be in the world,
but not of the world. So it don't matter if
the two of y'all boyfriend and girlfriend go sitting up
in Buloh Sunshine ever needs a baptist every single Sunday

(45:47):
as a boyfriend and girlfriend. You cannot use this on her,
and she she can't use it on you to expect
husband le privileges and duties. So just wanted to throw
that out there, verse number twelve, and I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over

(46:09):
a man, but to be in silence.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Now, I'm gonna let you hit that first a problem
and then I'm gonna swing on back around.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, because it's something that just jumped out to me
as you were reading that. He said, I do not
permit a woman. I never read this, read this, redid
read this, but it's jumping out to me now that
he's saying Paul is saying he did not permit a woman.

(46:44):
And and there would be times in the Bible Paul
would let you know this. This is me talking, this
is the Lord's talk, This is the Lord's command, This
is what the Lord is saying.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
But this is me.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
But here it's interesting that he says, I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority of
a man, but to be in silence. Let a woman
learn in silence with all submission. Again, we see that
submission word, and apostle, you already hid it. When we
see submission. In most cases it's referring to husbands and wives.

(47:17):
And we can't generalize generalize that for all women because
all women are not wise. We already talked about women
and wise.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Can be.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Used synonymously in the Greek language as well as husband
and man. Also the same thing for husband and man.
It's also the same Greek word husband and man, woman
and wives. You know. So this could just be, you
know again, relationship between a husband and wife, but also

(47:53):
a more private situation. This could be a household private situation,
and not so much as in a church setting. Right,
I would let a woman learn in silence with all
submission to her husband, and do not allow women to
teach or have authority over man, but be in silence.

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One person put it this way, and let me see
if that was for the first scripture or this one.
But they said that they had to paraphrase I think
the other first scripture one coments eleven. But if they
had to paraphrase that scripture, it would be saying a
wife should not publicly question her husband's own prophecy. M.

(48:41):
They said they had to paraphrase that. That's what that
scripture would be saying, just publicly asking questions. Because now
it's like you kind of demeaning the authority in a way.
You know, whey do you get home to ask those questions?
You had questions about his prophecy or the way he
is the prophecy, or way he handled something and this something.

(49:03):
Wait till you get hurt home, learn that in silence
with submission. You wait, you do that just outside the public.
Outside of the public.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Oh that's that's so And o't words that they're trying
to say. Okay, two, spare these guys fragile egos and
not to hurt their fiefs. Okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Wow, Because you know us as women, I mean, it's
just the way God made us. It's just the way
God made us. And it kind of got me thinking now,
like because the church is feel of what women women,
The church is feel of women, and you know what

(49:54):
women you know we yep, we're known to be the
more emotional ones, this, this and that. So we're gonna
see things, We're gonna have more questions, We're gonna kind
of question things a little bit more. We're going to
in that sense probably in that setting. I know that's
a little different from with women being in the church
now and why a lot of women are in the

(50:15):
church now per se. But back then I can imagine
like women had questions like you didn't see what that,
you didn't see what just that, you didn't see what happened.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Over that way.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
They had questions, I'm sure because women are very discerning.
It's very discerning.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I heard stories of women telling their husbands, you gotta
be careful, you got to look out for so and
so because I know she got her eyes on you.
And he's like and he's like, and this apostle to church,
and he's like, oh, so and so, and he not
even thinking that way, he's not even thinking about it,
he's not even focused on that. But the woman see

(51:00):
a mile away, like some stuff going on here. She
you you know, she'll come and speak to you, but
won't speak to me. You know, kind of things like that.
And so I can just imagine back then, like women
had a lot to say, and it just wasn't the
culture of time, just generally how much women have to

(51:21):
come through period, you know, and still going through some things.
I mean, women still ain't getting paid and getting the detention,
the you know, the kudos and everything that they deserve
for a lot of things, you know, And so I
could just imagine that they just had a lot of questions,

(51:43):
they had a lot to say, but it just wasn't
at time and the culture for them to be able
to do that, because again we already said the Greek
culture they frowned upon women speaking in public to men
even who were not there, like they couldn't even really
talk to other men, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
So very interesting, very interesting, exactly exactly. And you're you're
right reading this again knowing the of the Greek transposed
that word wife and woman wife and women, Yes, makes
absolutely said now this and you know what, the same
thing happened to me, like you just explained when I

(52:29):
got to this this twelve and I was like, again,
I say, as many times as I've heard people speak
mentioned and teach the scripture, you know, a two times
I've seen it myself. It was while getting this together
that this one letter slash word stuck out to me. Here,

(52:51):
wait a minute, I do not permit a woman to
teach or have authority over men, but to be in silence.
Huh now full disclosure. Oh, by the way, and I'll
fully admit I am one of those guys that have
to be told, you know, if a woman likes me.
It was interested in it every single time, okay, right

(53:14):
over my head, and I'm My response to you was
the same thing, like oh really really most of the time.
To be honest, I'm like, oh, I ain't looking for her,
but okay, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You're not alone. You're not alone, yes, but.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yes, yes, yes, I'm like, okay, you know, even the
best of us, you know, as kingdom citizens and you
unfortunately had for the time being, we're still in these
human bodies and sometimes you're still getting those human emotions.
But again, yeah, I noticed it. I'm like, okay, he
now in Carinthians, he said this is you know, the

(53:56):
Lord conetic. But I'm like, right here, okay, and I
even read like you said a few pastors beyond this,
No it doesn't say and the Lord does not permit
a woman to teach or have authority over a man.
And as we're about to see, I'm like, because, yeah,
that would have been a flat out liar, because clearly
we know old to New Testament that God does, indeed,

(54:20):
you know has and will continue to permit women to
teach and have authority over men. And okay, of course
that we're talking about teaching and prophecy especially, well they
can't be in silent. What the heck good is a
God giving a woman a prophecy that she doesn't unless
it is personal, she doesn't get out there and share

(54:42):
her I mean, that wouldn't even make sense, not at all.
I mean not at all. So we're about to go
ahead and it's hot back over to First Corinthians twelve,
all right, and it even says right here the like
you mentioned, there's always subtitles, but these in the Bible,

(55:04):
and subtitle for this one spiritual gifts unity in diversity. Okay,
diversity means just what it means different okay, different different people.
And right away you know first sentence now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren,
I do not want you to be ignorant.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Sisters and brothers, y'all.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
All right, apostle maids are already broken down to is
what brother means. So another way to read this not
concerning spiritual gifts, sisters and brothers, women and men, male
and female. You want to break it down, I do
not want you to be ignorant. Okay, cool, So not

(55:46):
gonna read all these but verse number four. There are
diversities of gifts, but the same spirit. There are differences
of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities
of activities, but it is the same God who works
in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given

(56:08):
to each one for the profit of all. Again, y'all,
it doesn't say it's given to each man or each male.
Says to each person for the profit of all. All
includes male and females. And this is where it really
jumps in to have to blow that notion again out

(56:30):
of the water, that clearly this cannot be mean excluding women.
The manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one
for profit of all. For one is given the word
of wisdom through the spirit to another, the word of
knowledge through the same spirit to another, of faith by
the same spirit to another. The gifts of healings to another,

(56:52):
the working of miracles to another, prophecy to another, discerning
of spirits to another, diverse of tongues or speaking in tongues,
and to another, the interpretation of those tongues. It does
not get gender specific when he is talking about these
different spiritual gifts, because if so again, he would have

(57:16):
said men or males or simply brothers. Doesn't say that
said exactly so clearly where several of these okay, wisdom again, yeah,
some wisdom for yourself is good. And talking about wisdom

(57:36):
just for yourself in this instance, it's talking about wisdom
to share with other Yeah, same thing, it even says, right,
word of knowledge, wisdom, word of knowledge and speaking okay, prophecies,
speaking in tongues. These all involved things that would have
to have people open their mouths. So these women could

(57:59):
not possibly, it cannot mean all women are to be silent.
It's not possible. That doesn't even make sense that you
can't be silent, like I said, with several matter facts
not I think, by the heck, can't be silent with
none of them.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Now, have you given a gift with the whole purpose
of it is to build and edify somebody else. You know,
you can't keep that.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
To yourself, cannot keep it to yourself. Exactly in this
same chapter. I just wanted to skip down here to
twenty seven and twenty eight, and you actually said this earlier.
Now you are the Body of Christ and members members
plural individually again y'all not male specific And God has

(58:49):
appointed these in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers,
after that, miracles, then gifts of healings, help, administration, variety
of tongues. Are all apostles, are all prophets, are all teachers? Okay?
In this whole section again he's talking about the church,

(59:12):
which or the ecclesia, which includes men and women. He
said members individually, not men individually. And again when he
breaks and these last couple, they're just summing up what
he mentioned earlier about the spiritual gifts, because I say,
are all men, apostles, are all men, prophets all men?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Wow? No, no, no, no, no, never did.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Thank you so much?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Exactly male female male.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Nor female male nor female. Wow.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
It's good. It's good.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Oh right, And so speaking of that, because you know,
so far we've been coming from New Testament scripture, we
laid down. We started all this nonsense. Okay, we clearly
went into gifts give him by the Holy Spirit. After
Jesus'll send it back into heaven. So for those who

(01:00:15):
want to again misunderstand or try to twist around what
he was saying earlier in one Corinthius fourteen about these
commandments coming from the Lord, well that's let's take it
back old school. Let's take an old Testament Malachi three,
verse six. Very first part of that. For I am
the Lord, I do not change.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Did not change. Hebrew's Book of Hebrews said he's the
same yesterday was Hebrew thirteen. And he's the saying yesterday today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
And fever exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Not changed. Oh yeah, yes, thirteen and eight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
We sure do. And I was gonna use that to
tie in and what not, gonna say, go on, we
are going to use it to tie and wrap this
entire thing on up again. So I wanted to show
at the beginning God said he's he's the same, he
doesn't change. And at the very end it's gonna say, Jesus,
who is God part of the Godhead, is the same yesterday,

(01:01:23):
today and forever, he doesn't change. So, in other words,
to say, from the beginning the Lord used women in
different capacities where they again had authority, and they opened
their mouths, then there's no way he would have changed
his mind all of a sudden and switched it up

(01:01:45):
when it came to the apostles going out and establishing
the Kingdom of God.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Never Never, Paul said he would not. And that's the
eye that I just keep sticking out. I say, hold on,
I do not permit you got your own own laws
within you that I never.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Wow. Okay, so thank you so much because you confirmed
because the exact same thing happened to me. I was like,
wait a minute, do not permit a woman right right
to teach or have authority over a man, but to

(01:02:32):
be in silence. It's not possible. Okay, I'm sorry, it
is possible. Don't you know, fully walk out what the
spiritual gifts got placed in you once you get safe. Okay, yeah,
then for you to not walking your authority into being sizege.
But if you are fully submitted to God and the

(01:02:56):
spiritual gifts with which we just went over and mentioned,
oh okay, there is no way you should be in silence.
And specifically for like I said, the women who co
sign that misunderstanding of that scripture. Okay, you definitely shouldn't,

(01:03:16):
you know, being stylist or agree with that. My thing
when I talk to women specific about this very thing
now to tell them, Okay, if you are part of
a ministry or an organization that feels that way, I
behoove you don't don't really get a chance to use
that words. I got to do that. You got to
use it when you can. Okay, I behoove you. I

(01:03:38):
implore you please pray to God and tell him to
open open a new door or to walk through under
sound kingdom biblical teaching, and definitely to shut that door.
But yes, because you will never walk in the fullness
of what God created you to do if you sit

(01:04:01):
up under that that that you know, I don't even
know what word to use for. I mean, of course
I would say mess. But that uh, that that subjugation,
that that that false teaching. That because that's what it is.
It is false teaching.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
M That's what It's exactly what it is, and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Why the Bible tells us study to show yourself and grow.
But thank you so much because Apostle made said it
right at the beginning. You have got to not only
read this thing and pray on it, you have to
find out context. I just told the Zoom group a
week or so ago, I said, in all honesty, y'all,

(01:04:43):
I said, shoot, when you have your Bible sitting next
to you, I said, either go to a good, reliable
historical website. I said, well, you need to have a
history book getting next to you so you can see
what was going on in the times with a lot
of these things.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
And like I said, thank you so much. You literally
and you don't even know that, but you can't write
back and hear it. No, y'all need to know context, cultural, societal,
that I mean, everything that goes into it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
And wow, it's so much, so much, we said, have
to be taught as a body. You have to remember
years years, years ago, we were learning the word and
out our ancestors, learning the word from people who couldn't read.
They couldn't read. They were passing this word on, you know,
just passing it on. It wasn't even re forget about

(01:05:37):
researching and studying and doing all that. You couldn't even
read properly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Mm hm. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
So it's so much, so much missing, so much missing,
and so I just thank God just just getting that revelation.
Or really there's a method to even studying the Word
of God. It's a method.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
The Holy Spirit is there. He's gonna teach us, but
he gonna teach us. He's teaching us now, teaching us
and telling us go go look for out people who studied,
people who put their whole life into I mean, got
master's degrees, doctor degrees, who studied these things I'm talking about,
study it through and by the inspiration of the Holy ghosts,

(01:06:20):
you know, not just religion, but study these things and
have really put their lifetime and their life work into it,
really studying it, laying it out, you know, go look
at some of those that's how you collapse time frames.
You don't have to go figure it out as people
already that already went before you already done it. Go

(01:06:41):
and look at some of those things, studying some of
those things. So that's what he was showing me too,
some of those things. I'm like, man, that's a whole
way to study the Bible, you know, yeah, I know,
to get a couple of translations, look at it in
different translations, might even have a what they call it
a commentary. You might have some other sources like that,
it's so much too layering and really studying and unpacking

(01:07:06):
the word of God. You know, even after you saw
the context, you saw the history, you knew the another
author you research digged a little deeper. Now, how do
you apply that word? How do you identify how you
can apply that passage to your life? Like that's really
at the end of the day when you break it down,
what do I need to get from this? Like one

(01:07:29):
girl was looking at she was like, Lord, what do
I need to surrender after getting a true understanding of
this word? Or even to help me get a true
understanding putting aside my biases, my assumptions and all those things.
What is it that I need to surrender in order
to get the fullness of this?

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I was like, why, that's interesting right there?

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
Wow, that's I mean, that's a very great approach approach
to applying applying that word, Like how can I apply
this to my life?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
And what biases and things of that nature, assumptions and
and what do I need? What ideologies do I need
to give up to receive this word to be able
to apply to what are those ideologies, those philosophies, those theologies,
those traditions we're talking about break in traditions. What are

(01:08:23):
some of those traditions that I need to surrender and
give up in order to get true breakthrough from this word?
Because the word works, but we got you got to
have the right you know, context and the right concepts
for that word to work.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Exactly. And you've just put it beautifully. And of course
that's my prayer and my hope for this teaching that
we're doing here, that these people with these ideologies, like
I said, complete misunderstand and then of two out of
the entire Bible, two passages and just took that and

(01:09:09):
ran with it despite all this other evidence when again
we're going over that proved that that could not and
cannot be the case. I even told a group again,
another Zoom group I'm a part of, cause we kind
of swung around to this. So somebody they mentioned by

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something and they were like, oh yeah, they were like,
we know, you know when it comes to women in leadership,
you know, Possor James passionate about that. I'm like, I'm
passionate about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Truth all the way around.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I'm like, but your dog gonna rape, I said, And
I said, consider this, y'all right, quick again, For most
of human existence, women have always outnumbered men or females
have always outnumbered males on this planet always, I said,
And the I believe the race was always three to one.

(01:10:02):
I said. Now consider this, I said, who has a
better chance of being able to reach more people that
one guy or three separate women.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
All day?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
I'm like, I ain't the best at mathmatter. Statement, you're
here a financial expert, but I'm like, I'm like, you know,
I do know enough that much. I'm like, so again,
why would God not have women teaching and leading for
his kingdom? I'm like, the scripture says, he's no respector
of persons. Again, I'll say, he's not a respector of

(01:10:40):
just men.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
That's good, That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Wow, Wow, wow, respective persons per sons exactly, exactly. All right, y'all,
we are going to go to Second King's chapter twenty two,
and Apostle Mays already mentioned this prophet is earlier hold
them so starting reverse number fourteen, it says, so he'll, oh,

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and for all my Jewish brothers and sisters out there, y'all,
please forgive me that I always put that disclaimer out there.
When I have to start hitting some of these names,
I'm like, all right, he for my originals out there, y'all,
please forgive me, you know, no disrespect. So he'll kaya

(01:11:29):
or he'll kiya. The priest okay, a priest Hea come
Ocbor Chaffin and Asiah went to hold them the prophetes,
the wife of Shaloon, the son of Tikfah, the son
of Harvest, the keeper of the wardrobe. She dwelt in

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Jerusalem in the second quarter, and they spoke with her.
So again people, you know, women aren't supposed to being authority.
Women supposed to be signed right away, the very first
person they mentioned is a priest, which generally you know
was men or excuse me, was a man. But also,

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of course, and again back in this time and that
society was considered what one of the leading authority of voices,
you know, probably second only to whoever was king at
the time. Right, so you know this, this king and
all these other ones which I'm you know, gonna readily
assume were meles. They went to who a woman? Female?

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
They went to a female, the wife, so we know
she was a femle she's a prophetesst And she's a wife. Oh,
she's a female.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
She was definitely a female for sure. So amongst themselves,
they obviously wasn't getting answer from God or you know,
he wasn't going to give them an answer, because God
had already had a purpose for them to go see
this prophetesce onet umber fifteen. Then she he said to them,
thus says the Lord God of Israel. That's what she's doing,

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prophet for saying that. They even say how long it
was before they got to her, that she even said
she just you know, I'm saying, start to ride out.
All right, Hey, here's what the God of Israel saying,
Tell the man who sent you to me? So okay, again,
not only do we see this was men who were
going to her company, It was a man who purposely

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sent these men to this woman. Oh but not just
a man. We about to get to the you know,
the man says the Lord, behold, I will bring calamity
on this place and on this inhabitants all the words
of the book which the King of Judah has read.
Oh wait a minute, who with the what if Judah

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has read.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Judah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Okay, so it was just a man who sent this
priest and these other guys to seek out this prophetess
wisdom and counsel. It was the king, like I just said,
the top dog all right in the country, in the
area and verse summer seventeen. Yep, Joe Sience sent them

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because they have forsaken me and burned incense to other
gods that they might provoke me to anger. By the way,
she's speaking for God prophetically from God. So God is saying,
all right, y'all forsaken me, y'all, do unforgot me. Y'all
have started acting silly. And you know, you poor people
tend to do from time to time. And you've burned

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in your incense to other guys, which I on multiple
occasions told y'all not to do. That you might provoke
me to anger with the works of your hands, Aha,
creating idols to these guys and doing all this other stuff.
And you know, I was about to say that that's
a whole nother teacher. It's one thing to for us
to do stuff sin or do something you know, out

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of a snap reaction, or to do it by accident,
But when people purposely seek to provoke God. I've just
never understood. I'm like, Okay, I don't think your elevator
goes all the way up to the penhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
They truly don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
They really do not. They do not. Okay, Therefore my
wrath shall be aroused against this place and shall not
be quenched Firse number eighteen. But as for the King
of Judah, you to inquire of the Lord in this manner,

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you should speak to him. Thus says the Lord, God
of Israel, concerning the words which you have heard. Because
your heart was tender, and you humbled yourself before the
Lord when you heard what I folk against this place
and its inhabitants, that they would become a desolation and

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a curse, and you tore your clothes and wept before me.
I also have heard you, says the Lord. Surely, therefore
I will gather you to your father's and you shall
be gathered to your grave in peace, and your eyes
shall not see all the calamity which I will bring
on this place. So they brought back word to the king.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
The king.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Wow, wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Wow. The prophet can do what the king nor the
priest can do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Oops whoo oops oops. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
The King and the priest was dead.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
But they needed the prophet. Is the prophet to speak
with us, said the lord.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Mmm, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Happened to be a woman.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Thank you, not thank you now right away. We have
a woman who wasn't operating in silence, who was And
you might as well say this was a teaching moment
for them. You just found out you're gonna die. At
least you're gonna die peacefully, and hopefully you know people

(01:17:27):
are the king who succeed you won't make the same
stupid mistakes. Okay, but authority. She was delivering this word
of prophecy to the authority, the priest and the king.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Yes that part, that part that p yes, and those
two persons happen to be men.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Mm hmmm mm hmm. And okay, that's just the he's saying. Okay,
all right, I ain't even including all the other boys
who rolled with him. He come and oc Bar and
shay Fan and the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Whole company of them. She was speaking speaking the prophacide
and declared all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
That exactly exactly to a whole come that as an apostle,
mayor said, a whole company of men who happened to
include a priest and the king and king.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
They don't get no higher than that and that in
those days.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
No, ma'am, No, no, no, no, for real, that's it.
That's it, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
That is it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
That is it. And speaking of authority, oh boy, we're
about to if we didn't do this lesson but on
one single woman in the Bible, it could have been
just a woman right here, and it would have blown.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
All of it up, all by herself, all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
By herself, judges chapter four and it. And you notice
usually these uh, these headings, you know, going through like
and you had like a few words of the scription.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Y'all, y'all, look with this one word one word you said,
you said she was summing up, she was summing up.
You said it, one word if all you said her
her by herself, was summing up. And that's the only
thing they have there. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
I hadn't even looked that, dare when I said, boy,
that see y'all. See y'all the apostle called it, she
called it one never work one word. Wow, yeah, bra rough.
So I'm gonna quickly read through this because chapter is
like twenty four verses. But yeah, so start the verse

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number one when he who was dead, the children of
Israel again, did evil in the sight of the Lord?
Did we not just get done talking about that? From
dog on second king? And see, oh boy, still doing evil, boy,
but still provoking God the angry. Rather, I don't know
for some of these people, man, that that must have

(01:20:19):
been because you know, they didn't have a lot of
sporting pastime.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
It didn't have a lot to do. That had to
have been there pastime right there, because we see it
a lot. And again it said, and easy again did
evil in the side of the Lord? My lord, jeez, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
They had to put it right there again again. Oh boy,
must be that time of year. We go again, here
we go again. Man. So as usual, when they provoked
God the angry, he deal with he. So the Lord
told them into the hand of jay Ben. Can you
of changing ring asorable? Okay? He did always just send

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them into one of the neighboring countries and one of
the neighboring cultures and you know, put them under, put
them on the slavery like maybe this will get their
attention this time. But you know, as we clearly just
to step no, no, no, no, that's not gonna do it,

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I say, you know, at least once a generation, probably
more than that. You just had that next group that
just for whatever reason, they thought they were gonna be
the ones that they were gonna do something that T
got off and they were gonna get away with it.
But established all America guy said he does not change,
and he had to keep showing them he don't change.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
They should have asked somebody. They should have asked their ancestors,
because they he ain't changing. He's not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Change that going to change, y'all. He ain't changed back
then for them, and shoot it, you know, you know,
when it came to the the relat were literally as
a coach as it relates to humans. They were the
apple off his eyes. So if he didn't change for them,
they think, you know what I'm saying, man, please mm hmmm,

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not at all. So the command of his army was Cinicera,
who drew up in harrischeth a going and the children
of Israe. Okay, yeah, here we go, like clockwork, y'all,
Like clockwork, never fails, never fails, never fail. They do
something the T got off. He allows them to be

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captured and put under slavery and subjugation by by one
of their ungodly pagan nations. And that's when they wisen
up and start crying out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
To him for the cry. Then they cry, you should
have cried out to the Lord before you messed up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Exactly, Wow, exactly, Oh God, So the children of Israel
cried out to the Lord. Or Jamon had nine hundred
chariots of iron, and for twenty years he had harshly
oppressed the children of Israel. Oh wait, So now now Deborah,

(01:23:24):
a prophetesce wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. Okay,
wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Okay, on Israel.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I thought a woman wasn't supposed to you know, I thought,
I do not permit women to have authority over men.
She was doing what in Israel at the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Time, judging them?

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Okay, okay, And again the possibility is like I've already
admitted I ain't the smartest man in the world, but
for what I know. Oh and by judging here, y'all, no,
it ain't talking about seeing them doing something. And oh man,
you know what I'm saying, y'all, y'all gonna go to
hell or y'all shouldn't be doing that oh shouldn't be
doing this and that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no, that's a political position.
She had a political position. She was an authority that
was elected position.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
That position, she was chosen for that position. Okay, if
you if you need a visual representation, okay, thinking think
of the people sitting behind them, them woulden desks in
them black robes, all right, with the gathering. You know
what I'm saying. That just that's judging. That's the type
of judge she was, okay, political position of authority, and

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she was a prophetess okay, and she was sitting under
the palm tree of okay, all right, this one man
so much cloud. I didn't realize this when I was
reading and studying this report. Deborah palm tree named after dog.

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Oh when you know that powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
And she would sit on the own palm tree.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Okay, the palm tree of the palm tree of de
that that you know, she better not roll up. And
you know what I'm saying, catching anybody else sitting under
that palm tree.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
So is that equivalent since today where they put your
name on the roads today and you got your own
road name. You see that she had own tree sitting
between Rama and oh, you know, Ramon, that's the that's
the Rama. Oh, that's deep right there, because rain was
like the rain of word of God. But it's also
where where the prophets would be, you know, with the

(01:25:47):
where the school of the prophet. She had a tree,
a palm tree between Rama and Bethel in the mountains.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
M talk about betha oh boy, in the mountains, in
the mountains, the mountains.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Oh, my goodness. So Deborah was a bad woman. This
sum that up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Deborah was a bad Okay, And y'all people, last part
of that sentence, and the children of Israel, okay, children exactly,
it's talking about men and women. They ain't talking about
little babies. No, talking about grown behind men and grown

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behind women of Israel. Came in verse three.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
The children of Israel crowd out to the Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
No baby's infants not crying out to the Lord. Mm hmmm,
you're not grying out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Mm hmmm. They came up to Deborah under the palm
tree of Deborah. R deb They trying to select for
the day, and here they come, okay, came up to
her for judgment. Then she sent and called for Barak,
the son of a ben on him from Kadesh in Naptali,
and said to him, has not the Lord God of

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Israel commanded, go and deploy troops at Mount Tabor. Take
with you ten thousand men of the sons of Naptali
and the sons of Zebulin, and against you, I wur
deploy Cicera, the commander of Jabi's army, with his chariots
and his multitude, to the river Kashan, and I will

(01:27:29):
deliver him into your.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Okay. So that was definitely the prophet is speaking right there,
in other words, asking me this joker. Didn't God tell
you you y'all got somewhere to be with you?

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Did you forget the word of the Lord? Did you
forget the word of the Lord?

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Okay? Oh my god, Oh wow wow. But see we're
about to see, We're about to see verse No. Eight.
And Rock said to her, if you will go with me,
then I will go. But if you will not go
with me, I will not go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Oh my Okay. Clearly that was not the instruction, because
if so, she wouldn't have asked them what you're still
doing here when they rolled up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
On him, right, has not God commanded mm hmm, go
and deployed troops at Mount Timoor and take Tabor and
take with you ten thousand men.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Wow. Mm hmm mm hmm. So again, just like Apostle
May said, that was a bad woman, because, bro, you
were supposed to take ten thousand. Now see, now we
get some gender specimen in your mind. You're supposed to
take ten thousand men with you. But you were still

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that scared. You're saying, I still ain't gonna go. Let
you come with me. He didn't say come with us,
He said come with me, me go with me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
You ain't going, I ain't going, than god.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Wow. So she said, I will surely go with you.
Here goes. Y'all pay attention to this part. Nevertheless, there
will be no glory for you in the journey you
are taking, for the Lord will sell Cesara into the
hand of a woman. Then Deborah arose and went with

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Barack to Kandesh, and Barack called Zebulyn and Naphtali to Kandesh.
The ten thousand. He went up with ten thousand men
under his command, and Deborah went up with him. Okay,
so we're gonna skip down a little bit here. First
number twelve, and they reported to Cicero, that bar the

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son of a bend on them, had gone up to
Mount Tabor. So Ciser gathered together all his chariots, remember
nine hundred chariots of iron, all the people who were
with him from Harrowscheff had going to the river Kashawan.
And again that was having to give instruction that were
said to Barack up, for this is the day which

(01:30:21):
the Lord has delivered Cicera into your hand. Has not
the Lord gone out before you? So Barack went down
from Mount Table with ten thousand men follow them. So
even at the end they were there. Okay, she still
had to give this dude a push, exactly, had to

(01:30:43):
give him more encouragement. And the Lord rotted Cicera and
all his chariots and all his army with the edge
of the sword before Barack. Cicera alighted from his chariot
and fled on foot. Okay, So this dude who had
all these charriots of iron, and it doesn't say how
many men he had, when he saw what was up

(01:31:03):
with this arm with this battle, Okay, he was like
bump day. He fled, He left his board on the battlefield.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Yes, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Well, but but rock pursued the charriots and the army
as far as Harrischeff are going. And all the army
of Cicero fell by the edge of the sword. Not
a man was left, not a single one. However, Cicero
had fled away on foot to the tent of Jail,
the wife of Heber the ken Knight, for there was

(01:31:35):
peace between Jabin, king of Hazor, and the house of
Heber the ken Knight. And Jail went out to me
cicer and said to him, turn aside, my lord, turn
aside to me, do not fear. And when he had
turned aside with her to the tent, she comforted him
with a blanket. He said to her, please give me
a little water to drink fire Thurston. So she opened

(01:31:58):
the jungle milk, gave him a covering them up with
a blanket. While y'all get nice little cup of milk
and on and a blanket, talking them in, taking them in,
real good, real good. Now get this. Now, get with
this big tough guy who fled the battlefield and leopards
board the diocese. And he said to her, stand at

(01:32:18):
the door of the tent, and if any man comes
and inquires of you, and says is there any man here?
You shall say no. Then Jail Hebrew's wife took a
tent pain and took a hammer in her hand and
went softly to him and drove the page into his temple,

(01:32:39):
and it went down into the ground. He was fast
asleep and worried, so he died. God dog, y'all. Okay,
you know how much strength they would have had to
taken to drive that thing not only through his skull,
but to then for it to penetrate his skull and
then go into Wow. Okay, Jail did that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Okay, she did that, my goodness man, and then said.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Come and meet him, and said, I will show you
the man whom you seek. Because he did, he did,
He got all the way he did.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
And that also shows that Jail was no slowly. She
recognized who this dude was when when he came up
to the tenth That's why she did when she did.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
And that milk, you know, milk, put you to sleep,
Put you to sleep, Put you to sleep. Some warm
milk covered him up, got him nice and coldy and comfortable.
How you going down today?

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
You going down? Brother? Ain't nonna tell her how far
he even had to run. So they already said he
was weird. So he was already exhausted. That nice warm
milk and that blanket boy all tucked in and oh yeah,
he was done. He was done.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
And how how many can underestimate women too?

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
He underestimated her because, like you said, it took some it,
that took some power that he got. That that was
some different kind of power right there. But he underestimated her,
he sure did.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
And she went out again. Got the guy told him
to come on into the tent. The guy who you
see they went in, all right, saw him dead with
the page in his temple. It was in his temple.
I went through the Okay, yeah, if he's laying down, yeah,
that makes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
The other side wow.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
So on that day got subdued Jabin King of Canaan,
and the presence of the children of Israel and the
hand of the the hand of the children of Israel
grew stronger and stronger against Jabin, King of Canaan, until
they had destroyed Jabin, King of Canaan. So again to

(01:34:58):
confirm that Deviyl was definitely wonderful correct in her prophecy,
she told Barack he was getting on honor because Cicero
would die at the hands of a woman. Wow, he
indeed died at the hands of woman. She never said
it was gonna be her, she did hand.

Speaker 7 (01:35:19):
He prophesied accurately, totally, totally and completely accurately.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
So again in this and in chapter number five, it's
just Deborah and Barack. They actually say they made a song,
and it just recounts all this singing up their victory.
But yeah, the one he was the one.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
God was supposed to use exactly, but he was scared.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Exactly. He was not in his place.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
And we see that happening now. Even so, even if
God wanted to use men, a lot of men in
in their place and they're scared. I remember, and I
often tell my husband about this story. I was like
in so many instances, I would be like, you know,
wanting wanting men to be you know what I'm saying,

(01:36:21):
take their place, take their rightful place. I can look
at it in business, I can look at it, a ministry,
I can look at it, in relationships, I can look
at it and so many different arenas. And we were
I was going to o C. Tech and we were
a part of this, uh what do you call it?
Like like the groups we had.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
A study group.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Not a study group, but you know, like the Beta club,
different clubs and stuff like that. So we're part of
this club. And I was telling the guy. I was like,
you know, you be the president. I'll be the vice president.
You know, we you know, we was already putting together.
I little, you know, if I was gonna put together
because we organized. We set this thing up. And I said,

(01:37:05):
we created a store and we you know, did something.
We selling some stuff at Tech and stuff like that,
like they really they had in the newspaper and everything,
and we came up with an idea for a store
at OC Tech. I don't know if that store is
still there, but we had a store. They gave us.
They gave us a space in the school. We set
up our store in there. They had in the newspaper.
It was a kind of big thing and we were

(01:37:25):
organizing it from the ground up in our business class.
And I was like, you know, yeah, i'll be the
vice president. You be the president. And he was like, oh,
you be the president, I'll be the vice president. I'm like, no,
you be the president. I'll be the vice president.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
And it's kind of like what Murk was saying. He
was like, I ain't going if you don't go, Like
I ain't you know, we was just shirking back, and
I was like like, no, you be the president. I mean,
I'm gonna be there to support you. You know, I'll
be the vice president. I don't have to be, you know,
in the front a that long story short, he will
not take that president role. I end up having to

(01:38:06):
be the president and he was the vice president, and
I just like that. I don't feel right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
It was what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
But even so, you know, a lot of men and
I will always tell my husband the story. And I
was like, you know, just in different relationships and different things,
you want man to kind of be in the in
in their position, in their roles, you know, of leadership. Yeah,
we're here to support and do things that nature. But
let me tell you, don't get it wrong or get

(01:38:35):
it twisted. Just like we just saw in this. Yes,
God intended to use the man he did, but she said,
let's let's make this very clear, be clear of this.
There will be no glory in this for you. You're
not gonna get the glory. Guy's gonna deliver him into

(01:38:55):
the hand of a woman. Because did Yob still got
to get done. Show must still go on.

Speaker 6 (01:39:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
The show must go on. And so even when we
were reading that, that was coming back to my mind,
like this guy did not want to take that responsibility.
He didn't want to take that leadership role. And I
mean we went back and forth, back and forth, back
and forth. I'm like, I got you, I'm here. I mean,
I'm I'm gonna be, you know, backing you up. But

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he did not want to take on that on that role.
But you know, and they had it in the newspaper
leading it up Caamela Martin at that time, Kamela Martin,
you know, president.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Of this of this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
You know, it was no glory in it for him
because you you wouldn't take your position. You wouldn't take
your position. So that's just something that came to me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
That that's amazing. And I love when people can give
like actual real life accounts to match up what we
what we eating scripture. So i mean, hey, y'all heard
it right there. And you know again the fact that
she's sitting there now at a possible and like I've
said in her introduction, she actually operates in all five

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of the fivefol ministry gifts. But y'all notice how she
doesn't operate in them from a massandris or a proud
point of view. The woman just clearly saying she likes
when men take their rightful leadership place, and men we

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have to be smart enough to know because, like you
mentioned earlier, a lot of times women tend to make
be more emotional a lot of times men. Okay, we
operate more on just hardcore logic. It's black and white.
This is what it is, y'all. Y'all created us both

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for a reason. Okay, there's time when you got to
hold back a little over that the other one take
the lead, and there's time where they got to pull
back that those take the lead. But I mean, in
a perfect world, every time when we can just you know,
bam right on the on the same level, come together
to accomplish whatever needs to be done, doing it absolutely

(01:41:17):
up to and including breaking this tradition that women aren't
supposed to be leaders and it's just supposed to be
silent in God's you know kingdom, all right in his ecclesia, what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
If what if the bora was silent?

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Oh? Good point, good point, because Barack made it clear
he wasn't going to that battle okay without it, so
absolutely right, see y'all. Fantastic question, fantastic question.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
What if sheet silent?

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Man? That's good, you know, have to swing back around
sometime and do an episode on that. What if had
kept silent?

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
My God, there's women, my sea, there's women out there,
my Godhata, there's women that are keeping silent equota down
under my shot. When God is having you to speak,
even if it's to your own spouse, for the sake

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of peace, you won't say what God is telling you
or having you to say or speak. Yes, God wants
you to pray, but there's a time where you gotta speak.
There was times when God would give me things to

(01:43:06):
share with my husband, and of course there's times when
God will give him things to share with me. But
I'm speaking about the women and keeping silent, and God
would give you something to share with your husband. And
this is something that's going to my God break some
things off of him and counterport him into the next dimension,

(01:43:26):
into the next place in God. But because of for
the sake of I want to seem to be submissive.
I want to seem to be in my place. I
want to seem to not be out of order. Disobedience
is out of order. Disobedience is out of order. Mah, yeah,

(01:43:53):
da chata make God am my sata. And some ministry,
some marriages, uh uh. Things are being stagnated because God
has given you a word or giving you a word
of wisdom, a word of knowledge, or giving you something
to help break off, my God, of some of those

(01:44:14):
generational curses, even on your spouse, My God. But you
won't speak with God, my God, because he's already given
you the power, in the authority to do it. My God.
It is my gorra bay shah. It's in your tongue,
it's in your belly. God has already given you the
authority the power to speak it. But you're keeping silence. Yeah, koabai.

(01:44:43):
For the sake of peace again, God said, He said,
I did not come, my God to bring peace. He said,
I can't with a sword. Oh, God will give you
how to do it. God will give you when to
do it, My God, holledlujah. And you will see why

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it's necessary for you to do it. And it doesn't
matter what a person feels at that time. Later they
will thank you, Yes, they will thank you, not only privately,
but publicly. But you're stifling the marriage. You're stifling the
ministry because of your disobedience. Old ra da da da blah,

(01:45:28):
shata be silent no more, be silent, no more, be silent,
no more shat kinda my see kind of my see
undemost shot. We come against that newt spirit. Be silent
no more for the sake that's compromised. You come against
a compromising spirit that's compromising. What you compromise to keep

(01:45:56):
or keep from doing, you will eventually lose it. Anyway. Wow, Wow,
what you compromised to keep, you will eventually lose. I'm
telling you it's worth it. It's worth it. It ain't

(01:46:16):
gonna be easy, but it's gonna be worth it. Amen,
It's gonna be worth it. It's gonna be worth it.
And I just felt led in my spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
To say that, my God, Thank you, God, Lord. We
give you praise for you that word.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Yes, thank you, Lord Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
No more, be silent, no.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
More, y'all, thank you so much. We are going to
end it right here, not the whole teaching. I'm talking
about this sport tonight, the whole No more on the car, yes,
any or more to come. So wow, guys, look, we

(01:47:07):
do the work of going out there researching, okay, putting
these together, recording them. Hey, all you have to do
is just literally go to YouTube or to Rumble or
to spotify any of those. Just hit the play buddon.
So hey, if you would when you see this, see
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know this isn't when There'll be many more to come,
and there's already many more on the Rumble channel. Drop
a comment, let us know if you're experiencing this, get
in the ministry you're a part of, or if you
had experienced it at some time you came out of it,
what were your steps that God gave you to get
free of this? Or if you were somebody who used

(01:47:53):
to think like this, and like, you know what, I
don't think like this anymore. Thank God, you know he
freed up my mind. Let us know in the comments.
Any revelation. And even though I always say, hey, if
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(01:48:16):
just asking that I am actually again imploring you all
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just heard from the Apostle's mouth. There are women out
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(01:48:39):
are being held up household, and if that stuff isn't
nipped between those two, then quite naturally, if they have children,
it's just gonna keep going and going and going and going.
All right, No late lately, okay, within the ministry, No,
we're coming up against lineage cursing and unclean spirits and

(01:49:01):
divinations and stuff. Okay, that stuff stops now. It has
to stop now. So please matter of fact, if you
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And like I said, if you're watching this on YouTube,
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Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Uploading the YouTube and Rumble and.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
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(01:49:53):
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(01:50:14):
all right, So God willing, we will be back here
next week to continue diving into Oh, thank you man,
I'm looking forward to it too. And again, thank you y'all.
This is my sister from another mystery right here and
again when God laid it on me to do this
that there was literally only one person he brought across
my mind, and I knew I had to get in

(01:50:35):
there as soon as he later, I said, oh, I
need to call reach out to her right now, because
I know, y'all, there are a lot of people that
pull on this awesome woman because that very reason she's awesome. Okay,
the whole, the wholeness of life, not just kingdom matters,
financial matters, relationship. Y'all heard me read the resume at

(01:50:57):
the beginner, so it wasn't making the words up operation
with all those things. So yes, thank you so so
much for joining.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Thank you, my brother, my pleasure, thank you, thank you,
and looking forward to being back here next week.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
All right, y'all, so as always say, guys, it's fine
to love yourself, but seek to love other people just
a little bit more, even if you have to do
it from afar, right, and that is the first and
greatest commandment. I'm to be having this country boy and
this country girl again. Thank you guys so much for
joining us, and Apostle, I'm gonna give you last word.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Well, God bless you again, Apostle again. This has been awesome.
This has been eye opening, this has been a great teaching.
I'm so glad you reached out to study this just
going and just the doors that God has opened just
in this study. So I am grateful. I am super
excited about the next week or the next week, have
a long it takes for us to get this point

(01:51:52):
through and across. I am all here for it. I
am ready again. I appreciate it, and I'm looking forward
to it on next week.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Will amen, I'm looking forward to too, So guys. Until then,
we will see y'all when we see peace. Night.