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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:31):
Welcome Breader Syndicate. I'm Matthew here with Appy Hills Grower,
and today we're going to do something a little different.
He's going to interview me about I guess whatever we
come up with wherever direction it takes us. So with that,
take it away, Appy, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
First one for you is is who is on your
mount Rushmore growers? Growers or breeders? Breeders breeders?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, sorry, It would be hard to have one without Neville,
And I don't give a fuck with people's takes are
on him. My friendship with him ended rocky, you know.
But as far as people that helped start this industry
and make it an industry to where people fed their
families with it, there's nowhere without Neville, Sam the skunk

(02:23):
Man obviously same kind of deal had he not traveled
around the world, even getting skunk one everywhere, making that
a commodity advertising in high times as early as eighty one.
I don't know that it would be anywhere without him,
And yeah, along with him, would have to be Rob

(02:44):
Clark there too, for the same reason, absolute same reason.
And I'd probably sneak CSI head on there, since Trump
sneaking his head on there eventually probably put a CSI position.
There's a very equal balance in my eyes with a
guy like Rob and a guy like Caleb modern day

(03:05):
as far as their contribution to cannabis and how much
it's gonna it is and has and will change cannabis.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
So yeah, and okay, for my next one is, if
you go back and grow with any breeder who is
no longer with us, who would it be and what
cross would you work on?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Mmmm mm hmmm. That's a good one. It would be
Neville and super Skunk, because I'd like to see what
afghan he used in Super Skunk, and because that's been like,
even while I'm doing my blueberry work all that stuff,
I'm still doing super Skunk work with the blueberry work
at the same time, and prior to that, doing a

(03:47):
lot of Super Skunk work, whether it was I think
P ninety one, I think my airly, maf Ganny Diesel sour,
all of it has been very heavy in my REPORTEP.
What brotois that would be probably one that I'd like
to see how it was work, how it was selected,
what it was selected for at the time, what it

(04:07):
looked like when it was released, and I mean I
have a pretty good idea of what it looked like
at least in early nineties us by selections done here.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
And then, who do you feel is the most slept
on breeder?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Ooh, slept on? I would say normally hin Lands. I
don't think he slept on anymore because he shit sells
out like that, you know, so it's hard to say
high and lonesome anymore. The rev would be up there
mainly because, like, I really respect the fact that he

(04:45):
works with what he loves and he didn't let modern
genetics really overtake that he had what he liked and
he's stuck with it and has his own vision and
is stuck with it. Didn't let anyone intrude on that
and change what he liked about camp as there's a
lot of old heirloom stuff in there, and you know,
he was the cultivation editor for Skunk Magazine for so

(05:08):
long that a lot of people didn't even know he
was breeding at the time. But so a lot of
people associate him with that or did aren't even aware
of Skunk Magazine because it's a lot of new growers
out there now. So yeah, i'd say the rev. Probably
there's probably a few more in there that I can't
think of off the top of my head. Old Zog
and m even guys like what's his name that did? Uh,

(05:38):
it'll come to me, It'll come to me. Yeah, go
ahead and continue.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Mentioned in Rev. Do you feel that old school can
make it come back in the modern market.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
That's it's debatable. I think that there is a bigger
niche for old school stuff now than there was, say,
even five years ago. I don't know that it'll make
any kind of comeback in the modern market. As far
as wreck cannabis, it just doesn't have a place. The
yield isn't there. They people aren't. The modern cannabis buyer
isn't used to seeing old school buds. They're used to

(06:14):
seeing like frosty purple, like dense nuggetry. So if they
got that, they would be very confused, think it was
trash or maybe it didn't get them high in the
same way, so they wouldn't understand the high and be
able to you know, dance with it so to speak. Yeah,
so I think I think it will stay in in
the market, in a very niche market, but it would

(06:39):
take people educating themselves or seeking good education, which is
so far and few between out there to even know
what they're dealing with. Because I see, even in that
in that realm of seed sales, there's just as many
scams as there are in modern in modern cannabis like
cookies type seed scams. You know, there's still people running

(07:01):
scams in that market because people don't really have a
good handle on that market or understand it right right.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, And then do you see do you feel that
seed sales will rebound eventually?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I never saw it crashing. I mean, you look at
look at our economy, and you look at cannabis economy,
or let's just say the modern drug economy. There's not
really a dip during depressions. There's usually a spike during depressions,
even economic depressions, because when people don't have money, they'll
find ways to get their drugs and the Yeah, whether
it's booze or drugs or what have you. Since the

(07:40):
invention of or not invention, the U upcomings during the
mid eighties of the seed world and people selling seeds,
there's never been any kind of seed dip depression, and
this is the first time it's happened. I just don't know,
especially with this administration, how much of a crackdown there's
going to be. It being leaning so heavily towards heavy,

(08:02):
heavily towards religious values, and those don't really intersect with
drug values or uh us us medicating ourselves, Like that's
not something in the religious world that they're okay with
or our choice in that matter. So I don't see that,

(08:23):
I see it conflicting. So until this administration is long gone,
I don't see that being something that can happen.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah. Yeah, it kind of ties into my next question,
believe it or not, and that's I personally would love
to see cannabis finally rescheduled by the DEEA, which have
been dragging their feet through what two or three different administrations,
And I think it in all honesty, I'm not much
of a conspiracy theorist, but I think it's because of private,

(08:53):
monetized jail systems. I mean, yeah, what's what's easier to
take care of a bunch of hot heads that you
busted and they're getting ten years because they had ten
pounds or a freaking mess head that is, you know,
willing to choose only one arm off to get out
of a pair of cuffs. But the reason I would

(09:14):
love to see it rescheduled is because of the field
that I'm in as an addiction counselor because then they
would viably be able to study the effects it would
have for opioid abuse and other symptoms. Yeah. Absolutely, I
mean I would love to see it with mushrooms MDMA.

(09:37):
I mean they're doing great studies with MDMA with the
PTSD of you know, soldiers, and it just I hate
the fact that big farmers got their hand on everybody.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah. I just don't think it can be or will
be rescheduled unless unless people change how big corporations take
over a market.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, that's that's my biggest fear.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, if we get if we have something that we
can grow in our hands and take that power out
of the hands because it's rescheduled and we can grow
it at home we can do if it's rescheduled, it's
not going to be an I legal drug. If it's
rescheduled correctly, then we'll be able to take care of
ourselves in many different ailments. That takes power out of
the hands of corporations of right now, they have their

(10:28):
hands deep in medical marijuana and absolutely marijuana, so rescheduling
does not help them keep it where it's at, helps
them continue to dominate that market and push the mom
and pop out.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
So or the scariest part of it all is they
reschedule it and they make it the same schedule as
aspirin and other over the counter drugs that only pharmaceutical
companies can make. So now you bring back you know R. J. Reynolds,
fill it more blood Wiser and everybody else. So they'd
get the billion of dollars to close out the middleman

(11:03):
or the small guy, Mom and pops. That's that's the
one that scares me the most. And it's almost like
they're dragging their feet in order to do it, and it's.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Just licenses to grow him. So I mean, yeah, it's
absolutely actually we still do that and it's money out
of pockets. It would probably be very expensive to do. Yeah,
I don't know. I just don't see them ever fully
turning it over to the people, which is why I'll
always vote against legalization in their forms.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yes, And that's what's so funny is you know, Ohio.
We've got a great governor in Ohio and wants to
put a bigger tax and cut the plant count down
and everything. And it's like, why, in my entire lifetime,
fifty two years old, if I've never heard you want
to increase the taxes on alcohol. Yeah, it just I

(11:54):
don't know. Being a cannabis lover is not a fun
thing when you and it doesn't matter what side you
want to look at, they're all.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Both sides have been good to cannabis. It doesn't matter
if you're a Democrat Republican. I'm neither. But if you
if you believe in the two party system and you
attribute you know, yourself to a party, there's not any
party that's been great to it.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
So we'll make Chucky run under the independent flag with
the anarchy anarchy a on it.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, that's what's going to happen. Anarchist, the Anarchist Organization.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
And Denali you'll back him. Yeah, And we just got
to find him a good vice president.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah yeah, And then hold on one second.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
And then who is like on your other than Body,
which I know for a fact is on that list.
Who is on your must interview list?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Oh yeah, Body, for sure he's been He's been putting
it off forever. So I'm gonna grab him up. Uh
Ron rosen Ron Rosenbaum are are the connoisseur. Would be
at the mega top of that list. I've tried so
hard to get a hold of him. He's of an
age where you know, it may he may not be

(13:13):
doing interviews at all about anything. He writes politics now.
He doesn't want anything to do with cannabis as best
I can tell, but he would be at the top.
And Mad Jagg was a huge one. I mean, people
don't understand when I got the Madjag interview. We had
been talking for years before that and trying to set
that up. Many things had happened in his life during
that time. I didn't know if it was ever gonna happen.

(13:36):
So that was a massive one to get done for me.
Ron Rosenbaum, Sam Skunkman was always on that list, regardless
of our interactions and or liking for each other. He
was always on that list because respectfully, it's he's he
did it. He came, he saw, he was there at
the beginning. He knew a lot more than I ever

(13:58):
could dream to know. He's probably forgot. He had probably
forgotten more than I had ever known, So he had
always been on that list. I interviewed Romulin Joe privately,
which I wish I could get him to come on
publicly to talk about romulin, just because I think it would.
Me telling the story that he told me wouldn't have

(14:21):
as much affect as interviewing him and him telling the
story himself. It would just be another oh Matts told
the story whatever, you know, but him telling it out
of his mouth would do so much better on that
story of Romulin than I could ever do. Yeah, I mean,
there's probably a lot more people than that out there,
Rob Clark. I haven't interviewed Rob Clark for Christ's sake,

(14:45):
probably for a lot of the same reasons I didn't
get to interview Sam. There's a lot of politics involved
between us two. Mel Frank same thing. I have a
lot of respect for him. Having interviewed him. He said yes,
and then he blocked me and said yes, and then
he blocked me again. So something weird is going on there. Like,
I don't think it's like it doesn't have to do

(15:05):
with me and his speaking because it's always been very polite. Yeah,
there's some of the names for you then, of course,
you know, like I'm always trying to dig up the
people who've never been mentioned. Different breeders that had to
do with Brotherhood of Eternal Love would be great if
they're still around. There's so few that would have been

(15:26):
breeders except for like fast Eddie, and I've talked to him,
but he wasn't interested in an interview, but he did
talk to me privately, which is really cool. Signed a
book for me. Yeah, there's all kinds of old guys
like that out there that were really responsible for a
lot of stuff. There's guys I talked to that I
wish I wouldn't have put so much weight in what

(15:48):
they told me because they became so much more inconsistent
with everything they said despite being those old guys. You know,
I wish I would have taken a lot more skepticism
to what they were telling me, because there's proof that
they were there and had something to do with something.
But for whatever reason they're they're consistent factor. Was it
really good? And that's I can apply that to three

(16:10):
different people I can think of, so.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, and then old I want to say the story,
oh onto your reversal spray and the things.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yes, And then for people that haven't watching the past episodes,
that's kind of the way I approached it a little bit.
And first question is how would somebody how should somebody
apply the spread?

Speaker 1 (16:43):
So it's a it comes in a bottle without a
spray or on it. You mix it. Usually it's either
going to be one to nine or one to eighteen
one part water to eight nine part spray or one
part water to eighteen part spray. So you would mix
that in a spray bottle, mix up, shake the shit
out of it really good, like you're jerking yourself off,
or like a paint can in your hand, you know,

(17:04):
like really really, really productive. And then you want to
spray directly at the node sits as opposed to like
covering every leaf. That's less effective than just spraying at
the node sites where the male flowers will be forming.
That's the most important part. The top nodes, every single

(17:27):
or armpits. For some of you that don't know what
that's called armpits would be a good way of explaining it.
Usually once a week, and you can sometimes spraying daily
is more effective than once a week, but once a
week is tried and true. Now with this specific modern formula,
once a week is tried and true, so I don't

(17:49):
think it needs much more than that. Yeah, that's that's
a basic way of applying it. You could be real
crazy and get like a Q tip and apply it
to the nodes that way to make sure it's soaked
in it, you know, but spray it works just as fine.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
And then after pollen dropped, if you do get that
to happen, how do you personally switch? What feed program
do you switch over to for seed production?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Okay, so I'll start off this part too, because for
people that are newer to reversals, and I talked with
you about this last night too, one thing people need
to realize that they don't often realize is if they've
seen males this plant, that your spring when it reverses,
it's not going to look like a male. Just because
you're reversing the sex doesn't mean it's going to change

(18:41):
the female bud structure setup of it. So it's not
going to have a bunch of balls that hang and
drop and drop pollen really easy, and clouds of pollen everywhere.
It's going to be on a female type bud. You
know how a cola stacks. It's going to be male
flowers tucked in there. So that's that's one thing I
always want to stress is it's not going to look

(19:02):
like for traditional male it's going to confuse people the
first time out. As far as feeds go, when it
comes to plants being seeded, you want a full regimen,
so like a ten ten ten type situation for producing seeds.
You're not feeding for flour. Whereas if I was feeding

(19:23):
like since Amila fout flour, where I would cut the
nitrogen and let it go into resin production and all
that other stuff after it's done stacking. Yeah, yeah, but
you would you would feed all the way through to
help the seed, embryo develop, the shell develop. All that
stuff needs nitrogen too, so you'd feed a full, full range.

(19:46):
And then for the male. As far as that, you know,
it's a flowering formula, so zero ten ten would work
just fine. Maybe you know two ten ten, three ten
ten something like that, and the NPK values.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
And then I was trying to figure out how to
ask this question was coming from a breeder yourself. Can
you explain to people why S ones are harder than
like an F one or something that hasn't been self already.

(20:24):
Is there any explanation why they don't or is it
just numbers one of those you run numbers and you
know not. Yeah, why they Why don't they don't produce pollen?
Is easy?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, it's because, like I was talking about, with the
way that the flowers are and how they mature inside
of a bud set as opposed to hanging free maturing
without any restrictions, without space restrictions. I think that's some
of it. A lot of times what people are reversing
are older clones, and what we're learning is, you know,

(21:00):
like F one seeds, like picking a selection out of
some F one seeds or even S one seeds, new seeds,
generations flowering those reversing that is much easier than trying
to reverse an older clone. A lot of it has
to do with plant health, yeah, I mean, and the
pollen just there's not copious amounts of pollen because males
produce so much pollen because that's what they're inherently, you know,

(21:25):
built to do, whereas as something that's intersex is naturally
going to produce less pollen because it's still in the
flowering mode of and has the genetics of a female.
So that's you know, initially why and still pretty much
is the standard that feminie seeds are going to be
more than regular seeds. You're getting a much lower seed

(21:47):
count and yield for the space, electricity time. Sometimes you know,
there's failures and reversals, so you do have to do
it three times, So that's three round you could have
been making for sure regular seeds and and and stacking
up a bunch of stock. And you know three three

(22:08):
failed runs is not cheap, so that goes into the value.
And and yeah, so it's not just the hardness, it's everything.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Right, And I mean Caleb has been very public on
how rough it was on the KM ninety one.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yep, km ninety one triangle.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Bad Tea.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, that's see, there's been a lot of them that
have been hard. Skittles was a pain in the goddamn ass.
And that's a that's a plant that is in my opinion,
very low plant health. It's very low plant structure. It's
just a shitty plant in general as far as its
structure goes for reversing. So yeah, there's a lot that
are really goddamn hard. And ninety one is I mean,

(22:50):
we're talking about perennials right, Like, we're talking about plants
that are supposed to die after a year, and we're
keeping KEM ninety one around for over thirty year. So
you know, like that this plant is built to die
after a year. He ever keeping around thirty So yeah,
it's plant, it's health, it's inner health is probably like

(23:11):
a pissing itself, shitting itself nine year old band with
dementia or female with dementia. You know, that's the way
I look at it.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
That's a good explanation. And then what work from any
of the breeders on the syndicate helps inspire you.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
All of it. I mean, packs work with the Blue Dream,
A lot of that was inspiring me for thinking about
more stuff I wanted to do with the Blues. H
and L's always inspired me because he's one of the
best selectors of males I've ever seen. He can have
other people working with his stock and it'll still never
quite hit the just perfection with which he selects males.

(23:55):
And granted, like even in Appalachia, the way he the
way he is willing to take it up to F
five and be like, no I didn't like that, go
back to what he had made at F two, Go
back start selecting it F two, F three, F four.
That kind of stuff is should be inspired to everyone,
because that's what real breeding is. You have failures, and
you should go reassess the failures and take it forward
if it's not to your liking, as opposed to just

(24:18):
releasing it. And I mean, I don't really know anyone,
including myself, who has done quite as much of that
as he has. Who else we've gotten there? Bidders, No, yeah, bitterers, bitders.
Bidders has waited so long to release so much stuff
that he could release that he's made. And I mean,

(24:41):
he's the dude has so much botany knowledge. He's accrued
much more botany knowledge than I have. Yeah, So the
patients with you didn't just jump in and like, Okay,
I'm gonna start a seed company. I got my first
set of seeds. Sell these bitches. I know they'll make money. Bam,

(25:03):
make fame. None of that none of that was his
interest at all, and he's he's proved that, and I
think he's even he's even taken longer than I would
have to release anything. That's for damn sure. So yeah,
it's it's out of perfection.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
And Cronzo also.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, same, same, He's been at it for a long
time too, and he works with a lot of cool shit. Again,
like the Rev, he doesn't let other people inspire what
he works with. He works with what he wants to
work with. Yeah, those are why I keep those guys
around me.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
And that's what's so fun. I mean, if you guys
are watching this and you're not part of the discord,
get on on there and come join us. Because I
was the lucky recipient recipient of one of our waffles,
and I mean, I'm still floored by that. And it's yeah,

(25:59):
like when you when you literally are going back and
looking at a picture every single day, it's like, Okay,
you need to quit. You're a little obsessed. But it's
just it's it's jogging my imagination so much because you
can look at that and there's so much diversity in that,
that big list that and it's like, holy smokes, where

(26:22):
you want to go what do you want to do?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Then give you a good portion of my career. Yes,
like it is goes back to by ways.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yes, well, I've got four lapestas are just chugging along
and I'm hoping that the sourrows Oh shoot, what was it?
Sea Trip Rob's super super silver sour Diesel hays, Oh
I have that comes up? And then I get I

(26:53):
got Chucky's uh little blue sour Winstone's. If you're off
fucking you ain't chucking.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, but it's just.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's so much fun and and you know it it
Trying to explain the discord to people is tough, but
it's a place where you know, yeah, we'll raz each other,
but if you have a serious question, you're going to
get the help better, and you're going to get the information,

(27:32):
and it's it's stuff you can take to the bank.
This isn't These aren't people giving you information that are
trying to make a dollar off of you. They're trying
to make you a you know, have a better grow.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Everyone there is concerned with people not wasting their money
because we've all done myself, I've wasted so much money
on Dutch bullshit like I'm talking ten k plus, and
you know, I was broke, saved all my money to
get involved in in the seed world, and not to breed,
just to have seeds and buy seeds because I wanted seeds,

(28:06):
you know, and even even buying some American seed makers.
Like there were so many frauds in there, so many people.
I relied on their word to be gold because they
came before me. I assume they did the research. People
respected them around me, And turns out, no, they didn't
know shit. They were just passing on what they got
as what and that was good enough for them. They
didn't take it a step further and say, well, would

(28:27):
you source that and then find out is that source
a good source? Let me find out. Let me talk
to this guy. That guy sounds like he's full of shit,
you know, like there's so much that goes into all that.
And being able to help people make those jumps and leaps,
you know and bounds is something special to me. And
there's so many guys in there that have done the
same and that have similar input, you know, people that

(28:50):
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
So yeah, yeah, well it's nice because you have every
niche freaking covered. I mean, you know the first person. Yeah, well,
the one person that always comes to mind when I
say that is Freeze Blade.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I mean, you want to talk to somebody that can
probably educate you better than anybody else in the discord
on narrow leaf stuff. He's the man.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
He's very good, very good.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Oh. I love watching his stuff. And that's what's so cool,
you know, they coming from a guy that is almost
on his two year mark. There just the group interactions,
the fact that you feel like you belong and the contests.

(29:42):
I mean that was a blast. Yeah, I mean I
think we're gonna have a two time champ coming up
here shortly. Oh god, his his his packwork with the
uh after? Oh yeah almost you wanted me to turn

(30:04):
my phone off? Yeah's Sterney's a hell of a grower man.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
He's a hell of a guy too. And in this
last merch pack that that yeah, it does. It doesn't
have to do with anything at all. It's just a
seed pack that happens to come in someone's random merch pack.
Uh doesn't. Yeah, anyway, that's that's a disclaimer. The he
did some of Spice of Life. What was it? It

(30:34):
was a sweet two three. It was a reproduction of
Sweet two three, and like for guys that don't know,
that's that's pretty rare to find. The last pack of
Sweet two three I had was a big fat sack
from Gypsy Nirvana's seed stock, and none of them popped.
And that was the last seeds that I knew that
I could find that were really really uh spice of

(30:55):
life Sweet two three. And he had some left from
his older days and reproduced them and they went out
to people in the fifty tiers. So that was special.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Some people don't even know and to get a good
in my opinion, and I know CSI doesn't necessarily agree
with me on this, but I will go head to
head with my motherfucker on this is I think it
has a major portion to do with Skittles and its
terms this week two three the sweet pink grapefruit specifically
in that. So I'm very interested in how all that goes,

(31:30):
seeing guys reactions to growing it and their opinion people
who have grown the Skittles clone or smoked a lot
of Skittles hybrids that are verified.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
And then can you tell us about your work with
the P ninety one.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh god, so P ninety one was a clone in
San Diego. It got It was kind of like like
if you were in San Diego, you always knew about
hogs Breath, you always knew about P ninety one, and
you always knew about bull Rider. Though when my time there,
Bull Writer was already had already came and gone. Most
knew about Old Betsy if they were an era before me.
And Cat Piss was the other one when I was there.

(32:11):
And this is something called god Zuki. There's a few weathers,
but P ninety one, Hogsbread and Cat Piss were the
big and bull Rider with a big four in San Diego.
It was one of those clones where if someone in
your group had it and you weren't a part of
their group specifically, like you weren't brought in like there.
For example, there was a dude I was growing with

(32:32):
under this architect's house way out I think it's called
Yamashaw Road. It was just way out. This dude was
an architect and he built this underground bunker under his
house just for growing. So even his wife didn't know
about it, and we could come in and out without
his wife knowing we were there. But that got a
little hard so we ended up leaving that spot because
it was just getting too sketchy with a bunch of

(32:53):
random guys coming to their house in the middle of
the night and disappearing. But anyway, one of the dudes
I was growing with there was a part of the
P ninety one crew, and he was growing it, and
like we helped each other all the time, like run
our drip feeds, all that stuff, build out rooms. And
he's still like, anytime I get near that kuite, be like,
don't don't. You can't touch it. I want to be

(33:15):
able to say that, no one's taking cuts off this.
You can't touch it. Don't even look at it too long.
Every time, don't even look at it too long. It's
like all right, you know. So it was one of
those cuts held like that, just like hogsbreath. You weren't
allowed to pass it. So I wanted to grow it.
I wanted to make seeds with it because it was
fucking awesome, but couldn't look at it too long. So

(33:37):
by the time that I left San Diego, my friend
Jack hit me up and he's like, hey, I've got
the guy with the P ninety one here. It's old
and tired, he said, it's about to die, but he'd
really like some seeds from it. If you can make
some S one seeds from it, If you can make
this thing produced seeds, he'd really like it. He's going
to give you the mom and I said, fuck, I'll
take it. So I got it, and yes, it was

(33:58):
in very poor condition. It was old, tired, and we
got it to produce some seeds, not a lot, but
just enough, so I let some of those seeds out.
One of the first people to ever hit me up
about it was Bitter, and the passion with which he
had for P. Ninety one, I was like, oh, yeah,
this is a no brainer. This guy's gonna carry this on.

(34:19):
I mean, like I had passion for it, but I
had already left San Diego, and by that time I
was like, man, fuck those guys. These guys are assholes,
not wanting me to have that cut, you know. So
by the time I got it, I didn't have as
much passion for working with it like like he did.
And so he carried on the P. Ninety one flame.
He made crosses of two different sisters from the S

(34:40):
one work that produced plants that were had The vigor
was all there the resin production was better. The smoke
was unreal, unfucking real. Anybody that smokes it, including Rob Clark,
absolutely loved it. It rips people's heads off, but not
in a bad way, not in a paranoid way. It's
in a very enjoyable, like quality high type way. It's

(35:04):
really hard to describe that peanut oily kind of looks.
I mean it doesn't even kind of it looks super
skunky to me. Maybe super Skunk and all five something
like that, or NL do some somewhere in there, Super
Skunk Northern Lights type hybrid and and back in San Diego.
There were all kinds of stories about what it was.
Whether it was something called silver silver Back Gorilla was

(35:28):
one of the things. Then someone said it was NL
five cubed or Northern Lights cubed. I should say it
was an NL five Northern Lights cubed was one of
the theories. Yeah, silver Pearl might have been in it.
There was all kinds of different theories about what it was,
so there was a lot of mystery behind the P
ninety one. But yeah, better Ticket to the Next level

(35:49):
absolutely took it to the next level, and I don't
think anyone's going to do it better than him, So
I'm looking forward to see what he does with it.
I'm gonna put up some P. Ninety one shirts in
the merch area too. Nobody's working with it. But the
biggest reason that it got famous in San Diego is
because there was a bust in San Diego and it
was all over every headline, you know, because there's a

(36:10):
major bust the P ninety one, And after that, everyone
wanted it because it was in every headline. So every week, girl,
or you know how it goes, there's a major bust
and there's this fucking super strain there and it's called
P ninety one. We needed this son of a bitch,
you know. Yeah, that built its legacy even more than
I already had.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
And then do you think you'll go back to do
any work with the heirloom afghany?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I mean the main clones selected with it, and the
seed's gone, so it would have to be with an
S one selection. So I would never go back and
work with the original seed line that came from what's
his name? It's been so long, Bite me off of
mister nice, bite me. Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

(36:59):
I mean, it's so much like super Skunk already that
and it took me real years to really figure that
out and understand super Skunk inside out. That I don't
know like it would I have better luck working with
something like Diesel or like P ninety one more than
the heirloom Afghani. They're all very skunky in their own way.
So maybe maybe there's some amazing, big, huge, cold, frosty

(37:26):
shit coming out of the s ones. There was also
really busy shit that you could find in the s
ones that look like old resinless versions of super Skunk,
so it was all over the place. I would probably
s ones would probably be a good direction because I
could pick a selection from there and be ensured that
going in that direction, it would keep going in that

(37:48):
direction if I narrowed it that way.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
And then you said you're gonna go to feminized next.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yes, that's the hope for this round, and if it
doesn't work, then it'll be winter rounds doing that. It
just depends on how well, because this heat is gnarly
out here, how well I can do reversals in this heat.
I've done it before, but granted that was in a massive,
massive greenhouse with wet walls. And overhead sprayers and shit.

(38:23):
That was something else that was my most monumental pull
off of a reversal in this heat, and that was
reversing three thousand plants on to thirteen thousand, and it
made millions of seeds, literally millions. But that was him too,
So it was all really fucking easy to do. But

(38:46):
it wasn't as easy because it started out. I briefly
talk about that. It started out with the dude hitting
me up and he asked if I could do a
console on reversals and bring the spray and I was like, yeah, sure.
I gave him a price, and he said, yeah, let's
do it. So I went to their place and their
stuff was already in flower and I was like, dude,
I can't do a reversal on stuff already in flower.

(39:07):
This is not going to work. And he's like, well,
it's that time of the year, you know, not a lot,
and I'm not I'm not a good outdoor rower. So
I didn't even think about that part. So I had
to consult on how to revenge massive warehouses that or
greenhouses that were that had open tops, and how to

(39:29):
revenge not out quite out there, but like you know,
there's places to hang lights and stuff, but they didn't
have lights. So we had to figure out the candle
watt units or whatever it comes in to figure out
what was necessary to imitate the sun enough to get
a revenge on these plants, and ended up being we

(39:50):
could get like these rope lights at home depot of
LEDs and if we hung enough, it would be just
enough to imitate that to get the revege going. They
spent the money to do that, and we pulled it off.
We revenged during summer at a greenhouse, just enough to
be able to pull off a massive reversal and make
millions of seeds. But that was all by the seat
of my pants, like doing a console like that, not

(40:12):
expecting a revenge. But revenging is one thing I'm really
good at, so I yeah, yeah, that was fun. And
I had already had experience with revenging plants and then
reversing them and seeing how much health revenging brings to
a vege plant, and kind of seeing that some of
these plants were revenging kind of contributed to the ease

(40:34):
of the reversal, so that was kind of interesting. Some
of these older clone.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Plants now at if you could explain your method of revenge.
And what I mean by that is is taking this scenario,
a two foot tall clone that you're trying to reverse with,
and maybe the reversal does go as well as you

(41:01):
wanted it to, and you revenge. Yeah, at the point
of harvesting, let's say one bud to see at the
seed productions there. Do you take the rest of the
bud off and then with the plant or how do
you how do you revenge?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
So are you talking about a plant that I sprayed
the spray on or a plant that's caught the seeds?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
It could be either or either or I mean, I
guess the question I was asking, I guess more pertained
to the receiver.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Okay, so a receiver, because yeah, something I'd sprayed with
the spray, I probably wouldn't revenge just because like I
would have to I'd have to leave all the poll
like paullen, whatever pollen was there, it would have to
dry out without totally molding up. There's a lot of
that would be a lot harder with the receiver, much easier,

(41:55):
much much easier, because you can actually go through pick
every hand, pick every seed up of every bract, and
leave the rest of the bud on that plant and
pick every seed that you can possibly get without completely
destroying the plant, or leave a few nugs with some
seeds in it, and you know, all down and up
the plant, and that's where you'll start seeing the new

(42:16):
growth come out of when you essentially you take that
you put it into twenty four hours. Alike, I don't
care who you are. Eighteen hours is not consistent enough
for me. Twenty four hours a light. If I'm a
revenge and I want to make sure it's done, twenty
four hours of light for me is essential, So I
stick it in twenty four hours light. You know, two
and a half months later, you're going to have growth

(42:36):
coming out that looks kind of ugly, ugly growth all
over it, and soon enough that'll start turning into really beautiful,
lush growth and you'll get normal vege looking leaves coming back.
But it's a process, it's a use of energy. So
you really have to decide is this plant worth it?
You know, all this extra money putting into it. But
if you already have a vege space that uses twenty

(42:58):
four hours a light, which mine was always on twenty
four hours, granted, it's a lot. Everybody's a lot poorer
now than we used to be. How I'd be running
a twenty four hour So just cycle bedroom constantly. Yeah,
that's that's what I'd recommend.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
And in my question and my questions come more from
the hobbyist end of things.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
I have.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
No intention of ever trying to make a profit off
of any of my chucks, and I did, I don't.
I mean, I would definitely share with the syndicate.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
But.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
You know, I don't need a name in that end
of the industry.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, it's a fun game when you start selling seeds,
should started going tomatoes.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh yeah, and then you're you know, don't know anything.
And this guy's dad's the one that did it, and yeah, yeah,
snuck it over in his ass crack from Vietnam or
some ship.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's with mine. It was I stole every
clone that I had. That was the theory, Like I
I must have ninjaed into every grown room and stole
every clone. It was the It was the most ridiculous
claim because you don't get into these clone circles that
are that are trusted with the reputation of stealing clones. Won't. Yeah,

(44:27):
so if people don't know you. You're not getting clones.
It's just how it worked. Yeah, it's there's there's some
wild fan fiction stories to get written about people.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Oh absolutely, and they're usually screamed from the you know,
mountaintops by the people that were denied and not allowed
in those groups. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, that's that's the irony of it. Most of the
people I've seen are people I've never even spoken to
or interacted with. Like, I don't know where they come
up with the character, but I love it. I do
enjoy seeing this stuff, like I got Lamborghinis and Ferraris
and shit stupid.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Oh Jesus man, Yeah it did. The penis envy that
goes along with breeding and seed sales is hilarious to me.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, there's a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, and yeah, unfortunately, egos are probably the biggest downfall
of some of the stuff that's going on right now.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, I mean and growing. It's it's weird because there's
people that I've known, that You've known that don't seem
to have a big ego about anything, but when it
comes to growing, some people just can't take constructive criticism
or like even help. Even if it's not criticism it's like, hey,
I know how you could do this a little better,
let me tell you. And sometimes, but you know, sometimes

(45:51):
people saying that don't know their asshole from their hands,
so you always have to take that with a grain
of salt. But if you know, for effect, someone's good
at what they do and they tell you that stuff,
it's usually not meant to be taken for a fence.
It's how we better ourselves. And I'm still yeah, I'm
still after I don't know what year we're at yet,
almost almost twenty years in this world selling seeds. I'm

(46:16):
still learning, still learning daily, whether it's growing like I
suck at outdoor. I am burning up seedlings right now,
getting pissed off, like just from the heat and realizing
I should be having these in the shape what am
I doing? Like this is obvious, I know this stuff,
but I'm still learning daily, Like it's it's still growing,

(46:36):
but it's a whole whole nother environment I'm not used to.
So I'm taking advice from people that have grow been growing,
you know, exponentially less time than me on outdoor because
I don't know fucking outdoor, and I need to learn
from these people.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
So yeah, yeah, I have cushion giants, come down, I'll
hook you up.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah I know, yeah, yes, see, yeah, they would be
over my fence and I'd be getting popped. But I
think to smaller if I needed to.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Have a bunch of ratchet straps, hold and ship.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
He throws some beautiful trees. Beautiful trees.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, And it's fun because he leans
hard into the syndicate gear. So it's nice because you
get to see other passionate growers grow stuff from people
you give a shit about.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, and so he's a hell
of a chef too. At the parties that brings the
most dank stuff really yeah, oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
And then oh shoot, we can't talk about places to
get said product crap because I was going to ask you,
other than something that resembles your name, good stuff, who
else you would recommend? But I don't want that damn

(48:01):
to get flagged that of those And that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, YouTube fucking yeah. Well we're not monetized anymore, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, I just don't want to see anything happen to
the shows themselves.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
And then some people don't understand the hoops. That's one
of the parts we'll leave it in. I mean the
hoops that we have to jump through to be able
to even talk about stuff on a platform like YouTube,
which is why we've been wanting to move over to
Twitch slowly but surely. But things are slowing down, Like
I don't really understand the Twitch platform, and that's been
a part of the process is learning that. Yeah, but

(48:42):
everything's so much more free over there. You can talk
about stuff because they take context and everything into account.
When someone flags your account over here, people flag your account,
they don't give a fuck. If it's about weed, You're done.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, you know. Yeah, you can have Chowmo's on here
talking about stuff, but you can't Hand and grow are
on here talking about stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, you can have people showing their vad shaking it
and it's crazy, or guys like you know, weapons and
all kinds of stuff, but they think about context for that,
but they don't for when it comes to weed. It's
a I don't remember what they flagged us for, but
it was something stupid. Yeah, yeah, And then.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
How do you feel about the weight loss program? The
syndicate has gone through.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Oh my god, so people that don't know, like we
had a big pairing down of the discord. We're moving
over from Patreon to buy me a coffee, and some
people didn't switch. We also realized that some people during
Patreon started and stopped paying, and sometimes I'd move them
into another tier so they didn't get booted for one

(49:56):
reason or another. But we ended up with over half
the over half the discord just kind of chilling in
there for free. So it was hard. It took. It
was hard because there was a lot of people I
really liked, really liked that, you know, for one reason
or another they didn't give a shit, and or there
were people I really didn't like it. It was fun to kick,

(50:18):
but you know, I think the fact is it's going
to be serious people that stayed, and.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Well hopefully some of those people come back also.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
And yeah, I hope they do. They're not. No one
got banned for it. Just people see it. No one
got banned. It was just a kick. So anybody can
come in through buy me a copy still, and they'll
be wel them with open arms, because I mean, these
are our boys.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
But yeah, I mean, heck, we'd greet people who were
just talking to five minutes ago, like they just came
back after a year.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, So yeah, no, it's I think the
most stress was trying to go through the list one
by one to try to make sure no one that
had paid got kicked, no one.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I can't imagine how much work that was for you
Pinser and screw.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Pinser, you know, like a bunch of screw and me
just saying yes, no, yes, no, yes, no king. But yeah,
those two they really pulled it off. Well that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, what other stuff? Wait? Where Chucky is doing bag
Seed TV? And hopefully we will have a review out soon.
One other wait, little Nietzsche shows. Would you like to
see the syndicate come up with?

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Oh I'm glad you brought this up. Okay, So one
thing we're going to start doing is going through the
comments for each episode, including this one. I'd like to
do it if there's enough comments, and I'll do a
midweek episode, right, a short, short episode just responding to
some of the comments and highlighting some of the comments,
some of the goofy ass comments where people chime in

(52:01):
and saying everything they know and it's completely wrong, and
having a laugh some of the comments where people have
really good questions. I want to be able to respond
to them audibly. And yeah, just some of the nice
things people say, and some of the call me a
fucking tad. I don't care. I'll respond to that publicly too,
because that's funny. Just make it creative and funny and
you'll get it in, you know, and I'll respond to it.

(52:25):
If that'll be witty though, that'll make me laugh. And
I don't care if it's mean, as long as it's
as it's witty. I love it.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do like a good joke.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yes, yes, Oh shoot, I know I had.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
A question and I, oh yeah, it might might I
put it out there on Patreon, but I only did
it like an hour before the darn show. Yeah yeah,
and oh yeah, sorry, I'm sort of question out on
there on the discord to everybody, but unfortunately very short notice.
But Buckshot did asked the only question that put opped

(53:08):
up and A asked, did you ever find out what
was in the blue bonn? No?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Okay, what did I I think? I I damn, that's
a good question because I think I did eventually kind
of pare it down to some of the things that
could have been, but now it's totally blanked. But there's
one point where I was like, aha, I think I know,
but yeah, I totally blanked on that. But it never

(53:40):
really truly am positive about anything to do with it,
other than there's no blueberry work that's ever compared to it,
including my own prior. I could get the blueberry turps
in there went like with my riotberry stuff, but not
the potency, not the resin production. I never achieved that
it would be beautiful. You know, some people got tattoos

(54:02):
of a picture that was taken of the riot berry,
and then there was a painting done that was really
beautiful of a really famous picture of the riot berry.
But yeah, I could never get the potency. I could
never get the resin production. The bud structure and the
bonnet was perfect, and there's not going to be another

(54:23):
better blueberry other than the blue and cross. Maybe I
would put that above it a little bit, but that's
only because blue bonnet was already so good that it
was easy to take steps like that.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Now, like bitters in, you just did the strawberry bonnet.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yes, the strawberry coffee cross it. Yeah, and I have
some of them running outside right now that aren't burned up.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
And of course you and Caleb have done some work together. Also,
is there anybody from the syndicate that you're looking forward
to doing collab with so that you haven't already?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Well, Space Invader, I'll say, help me with the Punchy
Bluster F two run and a bunch of the Punchy hybrids.
And he was an immense help during that time. Spindle
helped with the blue in Cross stuff and did all
the growing for it, which was absolutely amazing. And he
doesn't take any credit for anything, and he doesn't want

(55:26):
credit for anything, but like in times like those like
you don't have better friends and the amount of input
that he he took the time out to show me constantly,
this is the males, This is the males, This is
the female, This is the female, this is the female.
We have? Which ones are we going to use? What
do you like about this one? Getting detailed fucking video
and pictures of everything. It was why it was able

(55:47):
to be done so well and hold true to to
my vision was was because he took that time out
of his life to do that. As far as people
in the syndicate, me and Hi are lonesome of dunk collabs,
that that was some killer shit. That was some killer
shit and God, I felt so lucky to do that.
That's that's the highlight of my career. Definitely highlight of

(56:09):
my career. There's a lot of dudes in the syndicate.
Me and Pac haven't done a collab yet. I mean,
oh wow, yeah, hopefully he makes his return. We did
a collab with the Blue resin Cush, but I like
to do more with resin long Me and bitters. This
is the We've done work back and forth as far

(56:31):
as like stuff. But the blue strawberry I think is
the and well, there was a P ninety one stuff,
but blue strawberry is something I'm looking forward to. I'm
growing it because I'm stoked about that. I want to
see the strawberry blue so bad. And there was a
line back in the day from I want to say
it was Eva Seeds. No no, no, no, it was

(56:52):
a different It was like World of Seeds had a
strawberry blue.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
And I don't know what their strawberry blue was, but
I wasn't impressed with it when I got it a
long time ago. So I'm very interested in seeing how
these two combined. I had a Strawberry Cream Blue Dream.
That was fat fucking fantastic, So I hope this is
something like that as far as more people. Chucky started
using some of my stuff. I'm proud to do stuff

(57:16):
with Chucks because of his passion for everything, and he's
he's learning fast, very fast about different strains. He already
knows how to grow, but different strains there, they're characteristics
and traits. I'm stoked to do that. Yeah, there's a
lot more people coming in that that are doing stuff
with Alchemical Genetics is using some of our stuff and
is uh is the bubblegum work like the bubble beerries

(57:39):
in that. Yeah, I'm there's all kinds of amazing dudes
coming in. And I mean me and Body have done
some stuff together too. There was the Hippie Slayer of
blue Bonnet. There's a lot of Purple Unicorn work over
the years that I used to his stuff. Yeah, I
don't know. Yeah, there's a lot of guys coming up

(57:59):
that I'd love to stuff with. There's even a Compound
genetics one that I did with why Yeast before a
Compound split up and became Chris's project, and then ultimately
he became no part of compound. I'm looking forward to
do stuff with the new compound no labs. That would
be amazing. Yeah, all kinds of different amazing breeders. Popping

(58:25):
up some stuff with Kaimeira too, because he's someone that's
done a lot of Blue Blue Star Blue Star. I
need to go and do some stuff with Blue Star
because he's someone who knows blueberry inside out to and
has the passion for blueberry that I do. So I
think that's inevitable at some point. He's a sweetheart. I mean,

(58:45):
most people would probably think because we have so much
passion for blueberry and use it and we're we're you
could say, competing companies, that there would be animosity, but
there's absolutely none like I love. I love people that
have the same passion for stuff that I do. Because
he has the same eye. He's seen he's seeing blueberry
stuff and he's experienced it, and he's one of the

(59:06):
few people I can talk to that's had even more
experience with blueberry than I have, So I can learn
from him and we can talk like nerds about something
that we love.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
So yeah, well, it's nice to have somebody that you
can bounce ideas off that has the same passion. But
then when you're talking about the specific terpenes or characteristics
from a plant, it's nice to be able to to know, Hey,
you know, I know these are the mother fathers that
I use, and he used something a little different. What's

(59:38):
you know. It's nice to be able to bounce or
even get a cut to see if you cross it
to yours. What Oh my god? Look, you know this
is the dank gass blueberry that's ever been made. And
that's that's what's cool when you have people that the
ego doesn't play, but the plant was.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
And he has the same same at least from our interactions,
he has the same opinion. You know, he's not there's zeroight.
He even hooked up buck Shot with some early pearl
like because we're friends, Like amazing guy, and he did
some blue his blue Star, I want to say, his
blueberry death Star or a certain type of blueberry death Star.

(01:00:16):
And it's supposed to be phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal. So go
check that out from blue Star.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Oh absolutely, And if you want to see any of
that stuff, follow the sweet peach and Buckshot on in stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I think early pearl.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I remember the early pearl I don't know if it
was on the list to get back out this year,
but watching those guys, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Gonna be they're gonna be doing some crosses with Early
Pearl if I remember correct, because it was that good.
It was very, very skunky, amazingly sky.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah. And I know she's doing that stuff with the
peaches work also, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I love them good people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Yeah. And if you want to get fat just.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Accident. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Milk duds for life, Yes, my god.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I don't even like milk duds by themselves, like in
the candy form, normal candy form, but something about the
way they melt, it's like, oh my god, that is
a dream that the flavor is delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I couldn't agree more. And then I told her I
had the peanut but protein peanut butter bites and then
I want to say, it was like a banana split
mm hmm and put them together mm hmm, and had
it and it was like, all right, you gotta make this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah, did you drumsticks yet?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Not yet?

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Oh my god, Oh my god. They turned. They get
real tiny little tiny things that they're so delicious infused
drumsticks free strike. Oh my god, I love so that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
That's when you get yourself in trouble and forget what
you're actually eating, and then get the monthsies and then
you're you know, stuck in the couch for the next
two and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yeah, yeah, two and a half hours. Fuck that. And
some of those are like two days, you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Know, yeah, and then you know, it's just it's nice
to see that that, you know, like you said in
that past episodes, it's nice to have a discussion platform

(01:02:42):
where the keyboard warriors don't come in, you know, And
and I hope people understand that that's the whole reason,
be the behind the five dollars on line. You don't
have to go up in tears if you don't want to.
Five dollars a month keeps out the ding dongs that
just want to talk smack, And it's a necessity. And

(01:03:03):
it's a cup of coffee actually less than a cup
of coffee, I mean for a month, and the discounter
a worth it. I mean, hell, the thirty percent does count.
Code is is worth just the five bucks and you
make that back if if if used properly, yep, and

(01:03:25):
you know it. If I could tell anyone get on there,
ask as many questions as you possibly can, because the
knowledge it's in there is ridiculous, and and if you
go in there with an open mind and a desire,
you'll be treated proper. Yeah, I'm an amazing example of that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
And I'm a lot more open to questions that may
piss a lot like the world off if I were
to answer it here. I'm a lot more open to
answering stuff in a private setting. I used to be
of time on Instagram and it was just not worth
the time trouble any of it. But at the same time,
like I, I anything I answer about other breeders and

(01:04:17):
are usually based on personal interactions. If I don't have
personal interactions with someone, then I don't usually answer or
I give my opinion just based on looking at genetics.
Like some some people will hand me like a website
and say what do you think about this? And I
can easily look at it, see what they're doing, see
what they have, say they have if that even exists
in modern cannabis. You know, some things like that are

(01:04:39):
very easy to break down, and it's easy to help
people uh with their with their decisions and anything. Yeah,
I don't know. It's a brotherhood and sisterhood in some cases.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Absolutely, there you go, there you go. It's a family.
I mean, it's it's fun because I mean, you know,
I had put out there on Front Street. Hey, if
you ever have any trouble with depression, which I suffer from,
get in their ask man everybody. You know, if you're
in that dark space, reach out to somebody in there.

(01:05:13):
I mean, there's so many people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Nobody's gonna foller that or drugs or you know, like,
it's a safe space. I remember back on the forums,
it was not a safe space to talk about addiction issues.
It was not People would call you names, they would
belittle you any of it. Like I mean, I still
get called junkie anytime I go out in public from
being addicted to shit fucking stuff. I've been off for

(01:05:38):
twenty years. It doesn't matter, you know. Like so I
look at all drugs equally. I don't care what drug
it is. And if people do have those kind of issues,
it's a safe space to be able to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, And if it definitely has anything to do with
addiction and seeking treatment, freaking definitely reach out to me. Yeah,
And that's that's my job.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
It's your job, and specialty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
And I mean, it's just I wish that stigma would
go away. Even I mentioned that to you before, but
you know, it's just it's nice to have a spot
where everybody can go and share and and and what's
so cool about the discord also is there's branch off discords.

(01:06:28):
You know, H and L has his podcas his But
there's so many different what what the hashtags? What would
you call them? The different forum rooms? I guess you
could call channels and channels.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Why couldn't Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Many different channels. So if even if you didn't feel
like really getting on air and BS and what everybody,
you can still go check out what you're wanting to look.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
At, you know, get their catalog channels divided by each
different seed catalog going over many years. There's different places
where you can go look at different breeders, grows of
just their stuff. Yeah, there's all kinds of different channels
in there where you don't even have to interact if
you don't want to, you can just view and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Then if you want to go the extreme end of things,
you can get into the contest, which are an absolute
damn blast.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Yeah, and we also have our semi semi bi weekly.
We'd want to try to make them more weekly audio chats, Yeah,
where you can come up and you can shoot the
ship on audio with all of us, ask us questions,
call each other names and galore. It's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Well, and and thank you to anyone and everyone that
had to do with my promotion. I greatly appreciate it.
But that's something I would I would really like to
work on myself and in the discord itself. Are are
some of the voice chats?

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
I mean even if it's just a no unstructured or structured,
you know, we have fun when it's truck. Shouldn't we
go for hours when it's not structured?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yes, yes, it goes all places, all places when it's
not structured.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Yeah, it's fun. I love it. And and if if
people are m M A fans, you know, that's something
we enjoy on the discord also and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
A nerds that love to watch fights together. Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeah, it's a beautiful place. I just I'm hoping we
can get the word out there and get even more
people to come back and enjoin us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Come to our discord and tell Moonbeard to go fuck himself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Tell me he's pretty in pink. You tell me he's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Pretty in pink. That's uh, that's always fun. I enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, ahmen on that one. Yeah, And it's just, hey,
I'm still freaked out by it. And I know a
lot of you guys they told me in the d
MS now you're fighting, You're fine, You're fine. But it's
just it's so humbling to be accepted into a group

(01:09:06):
of guys that I truly look up to and am
honored to be around. I mean, it's still very humbling
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, you know, it's just something to me to build
something and have that many people show up, and granted
half of them got booted, but you know, as with
love and hopefully some of them come back. But yeah, no,
I mean it really is, though, like to have anybody
give a fuck that much about cannabis. And because I've
been doing this for a long time and it's taken

(01:09:35):
a long time to even build up to what it has.
There's been build ups and fall downs, build ups and
fall downs because of having certain people that just start
right in a group and they always stand out, and
some of them can be cancerous and scam each other
and do crazy shit, and that builds animosity and groups

(01:09:55):
and all that shit, and we've done everything we can
to keep that from happening. When when it does make
those people, you know, take accountability, and if they don't
recover it, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
Just absolutely too and and and in the comments section,
nobody has to ask about it because when you ask
about it, it's just bringing the name back up that
we don't want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I don't really care. I mean, they can ask about it,
they can ask about him. Yeah, but there's a whole
there's a whole episode about it, so people can go listen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Oh absolutely, yeah, go back what three or four?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's the title. Yeah, you know. Yeah. But
I mean that's the other thing, like when when there's
people around us, it doesn't matter if you're way up
there and you're one of the really tight crew, doesn't
matter if you if you do something that disrupts the
whole group and do something selfish, you will be held

(01:10:59):
account of. It doesn't matter whether it's me, It doesn't
matter whether it's someone next to me, a best friend.
If that happens, people are held accountable because we have
to hold that's that's an important thing in friendships. I
think is to hold each other accountable. That's not a
good friend. If they don't hold you accountable and make

(01:11:20):
you state of being a good person and being the
best version of yourself that you can be. That's not
a friend if they don't do that. And hopefully, you
know that person will come back and be grateful for
what was done. But I doubt it. Absolutely they have
to type to do that, But I hope that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, it would be nice. Yeah, just not allowed to
interview on Caleb.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, he's not allowed to interview Caleb.
He can't help it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
Oh yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
I know I thought about it in nauseum. I mean,
it's just so cool to be you know, you get
these d ms out of nowhere from guys that I
guy said, I look up to tell me I'm doing
a good job and all that kind of stuff. And
that's the kind of that's that's the kind of forum
it is. I mean, everybody's lifting each other up, not
talking smack. I mean it's not a you know, even

(01:12:20):
to grow contest. We're in there just you know, complimenting
the hell out of each other, rooting for everybody else
but ourselves. And yeah, it you know, it's fun. I
love the atmosphere there, and it's nice to have.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I couldn't believe that you guys got belts made like
actual championship belts made that looks really round, like for
the grow contest, like a solo cup brow content. I
couldn't believe that. How nice? That looked ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Well didn't. And then I can't remember who won the belt,
but I remember Stony got the trophy and he is
definitely the freaking front runner on this next one. To Jesus,
Oh my god, you need to go in and look
at it. These things are as. I think they may

(01:13:17):
be as big around as a teer leader.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I looked at it, and I'm like, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
I actually freaking. I actually messaged Pack and told him
I was sorry. Sorry that one didn't go the way
I wanted it to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
You know, you're suffering from butt envy. That happens, Oh
yes it does. But like I said, it's so nice
because I mean, you know, I've I've changed a lot
of the stuff that I do because of listening to
other guys. Yeah, and you know it has helped tremendously,

(01:14:03):
you know, getting out of five gallons going to ones
in threes, and you know that has changed so much.
I mean, do you have to be on top of
things a lot more? Yes, but holy smokes, is it
much quicker?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Yeah? Much? Take three gallons outside because that's stupid. That's
not something that's very helpful. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Wait a minute, I just watered that a half an
hour ago.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
What the fuck is going on here? Why can't Coco
do well out three gallons outdoor? I don't get what's
going on? This is fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Wait a minute, you mean all the Coca blue out
of the pot? What the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Yeah, it's been ant being a strictly indoor I mean
I've done greenhouse stuff like way way back in San
Diego that helped with the greenhouse out here, but I
wasn't going in hand feeding these plants like like I'm
doing here. It's it's not fun, bro growing in one
hundred four plus degree weather through the whole summer. I

(01:15:07):
don't know how successful anything's gonna be. And I've done
it before here and it's just been miserable. But I've
done stupid things in the process of it that have
been like, Okay, this is really obvious. And then even
down to the seedlings in full sun, full heat was
very stupid. So now I've got to go pop a
bunch more stuff that I already had and popped and
did just find popping. So yeah, I'm learning every single

(01:15:31):
day on this ship.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah, a sprout salad on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Yeah, it's so much easier, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I couldn't agree more. I may venture in the future
to outside only because I can get a hold of
hoops for free.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
I know a family that used to have a massive
greenhouse and their huture behind their barn and they're not
doing anything with him. Oh shit, And I could probably
I would probably only set up four because I would
only want to do two to three plants outside mm hmm.
And it's and it's gonna definitely be like a bubble berry,

(01:16:17):
a Virginia creeper, and probably something else that H and
L would suggest to be outside. Yeah, because he's very
close to the same climate region as I am.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I mean outdoor too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yeah. Yeah, that's why I would ask.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
More through this thing. I need to bug in more about.
I don't know shit, I don't know shit. I'm just
putting lime amendments and blood meal and kelp and I
don't know how much. Yeah, because it's amending, I don't
know how much. A change of the pH too lazy
to fucking pH the runoff. But yeah, I'm I don't know.

(01:16:58):
I'm going back to thinking, fuck, I should just go
to bottles and and feed bottle feed out here in
the outdoors. I've done it before and it's done better
than this at least, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, yeah, I would have to say that's probably gonna
be My first attempt is just going to be Coco
and and g H and you know it just because
I don't want to have to try to do an
organic medium or you know, go get it basically because

(01:17:30):
if I don't like it and I don't want to
do it or you know. My biggest fear is is
the threat. I've had a problem with rips and unfortunately
gave them to one of the other members you dirty dog.
Oh yeah, yeah, man, sorry Bong Toachs. But uh, I

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that's the only reason I would be reluctant to go
even outside. That's the only reason I haven't done it.
I mean, if I'm if I'm doing that's just from
working out in the yard and I got lazy and
came in and watered one night, and that's what happened.
I know, I could take you back to the damn
day it happened. I was out wheat whipping and came
in watered everything late at night and while.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Yeah, it's all it takes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Yeah. Yeah, if there's anything I can pass along to anybody,
the best PM you can do is make sure you're
clean when you come into your grove.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Yeah, yep, don't wear.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Your same sneakers. There you go. I don't want to
scare the ship out of my plans.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
That's true. That's true. That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Dude, wire all your plants leaning back the damn lights
above them and they're touching the damn wall.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Is there any other questions you got or we're gonna
wrap this thing up?

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
That is good for me for this one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
All right, brother, I appreciate it. You brought good questions.
You should be proud of yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
The first I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
The first interview session via Appy. There may be more.
We'll see how this goes, you know. Yeah, Well so
from there, yeah, we can go check out our buy
me a Coffee, Buy me a Coffee dot com forard
slash Matthew Wright that's how you get into the discord.
Come join us. We have our merch up syndicate gear

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it's not set in stone, but we are currently trying
to figure out a way maybe to do it with

(01:19:50):
CSI's store opening, so that we can do a live
podcast show an event. People are gonna want to fly
out for that and see that and be able to
buy the bud directly for the man and maybe even
I don't know what's going on with the clones, like
maybe a clone nursery. I don't know what's going on yet,
so don't quote me, but we want to do an
event coinciding with that so everybody can come out and

(01:20:10):
there'll be multiple reasons to come out, not just for
you know, a few hour live show, but we're gonna
have a meet and greet all kinds of stuff planned.
So keep posted. I'll try to keep everyone posted on
it as as a time ticks down. I don't have
a direct date on when his Collectives will open, so
it's all kind of an aastasis and whether we'll be

(01:20:31):
able to do it at that spot or a close
spot that we could rent, not sure yet, but uh,
we're gonna figure this shit out. It's a it's gonna
be a fun year and a lot of people to meet.
And yeah, I think that's it, Sinneke gear dot com,
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(01:20:53):
and yeah, that's it. Thank you, Appy, it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Thank you, Yes, sir, we will see you this evening.

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