BX (BackCross), IBL (Inbred Line), S1 (Selfed), & IX (Incross) - What Do They Mean? - Breeders Syndicate 3.0

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Speaker 3 (01:33):
Hey, what's up everyone, I'm Matthew. I'm here with Screwsten tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think just we'll see if Chuck you rolls in
on the dope rope shit, Mike, We're going to be
talking about reading nomenclature, different terms that are used in
cannabis a little bit. Oh oh, just when we thought
we weren't going to see him, the dope rope swung in.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I'm here. That's what matters.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
That's what matters.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just choose the fashion would be late so I
can make an entrance every time.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
So we're talking about bringing nomenclature. I mean, we see
a lot of people have confusion. Definitely, there's a lot
of confusion about what back cross means, like the actual
term idl ix and like people call that nine a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
We'll get into it, and what else s one and
so on.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yeah, and we got some good questions from the discord today,
so we're going to go through those, and there's a
few in chat.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
So yeah, go ahead, screw kick it off.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
All right.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
So I think this is a pretty apt one for
the big just to you know, step us off here
from Cadman. There are a host of breakers that use
things like b X eleven and F thirteen on the
names of their lines. Is there any way to find
out what they think that means? So I interpret this

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as like good questions to you know, like suss out.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's what I think, Like when
I was thinking about this episode today, what we were
going to talk about, it's a good way to help
people know questions to ask other seat makers. And I mean,
you want to know that the guy making your seats
knows what the fuck was talking about, right, So if
you you educate yourself and know some of the answers

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going in and ask what they need when they're using
these terms, you'll.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Get an idea of like how much work they've done
to knowing any of that.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
So, yeah, you know, there is a DJ short line
called F thirteen, But I don't know if that's what
they meant by naming the line that or putting F
thirteen at the.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
End of that.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
Yeah, I think he's talking about just you know when
people put like weirdly you know, uh bread, Yeah, yeah,
like it's a plus thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
M yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
I I have rarely seen anybody work anything. I mean,
I know CBF did some stuff that is labeled F nine.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
He's been around a long time.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
I'm not sure how pure the line is after seeing
what popped out of it by the F nine range,
but you know, yeah, I mean it usually it's older,
older gents who have had time to work things.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
You know, nine years or at least nine grows cycles.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
We thought about.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Nine grows cycles.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
That's a long time unless it's as you can get
and you get me honestly. Yeah, if you're working with
the rags, I mean you're looking at you put a
seed in the ground. In autos, you're looking about week three,
you're starting to get pollen dropping from seeds, So I mean,

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and you know you could if you're not taking it
all away and you're just harvesting the seeds, you can
get them pretty quick. Dude.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, you could do that.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
I mean, you don't necessarily need to finish the button
to pull the seeds. You know, usually to have nice
harvests of a mature seed, you it's going to take
eight weeks like to have a nice four week long,
nice juicy morsels.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
But yeah, I mean, if you think eight weeks, eight
weeks times.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
You know, some people put like twelve and thirteen on
their shit kind of skunk master Flex did that with
this Larry F eight, Like I don't know how long
he's been growing, Like we're friends, so like, you know,
some shit silly, but you know, like some of those
could be inherited generations from other people that you know
works things to F three And if he wants to

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be correct and he took it five generations, then and
he's put he's taken it in the same direction, importantly
same direction, not taking it a completely different direction and
made a whole new line out of it, then F
it would be proper.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh yeah, how long man? When you first started making
seeds and stuff, did you see the same kind of
stuff with the way that people labeling or you know,
with like bx S ones and stuff, being that films
came online When you were first coming up, Like, how
did people, I mean, how did people to react to
that type of lingo and ship as you I.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Don't remember seeing S one during that time. I should
just saw feminized.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
B X.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Sure there's there's some bx's out there, but not very often.
You know, most people were just putting names on the
strain and that was it. You know, it was the
era of name your own strain is where you want
to be fu the BX. There weren't that many guys
that far into it as far as I.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Can what, uh, I guess who were some of the
first people that started coining stuff like you know, s
ones or is that something that's even in another like
industry or another you know, something to do with the gardening.
I don't. I don't know if I'm just asking.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
On feminize seeds and making it if that was in
there with the ram and set paper, or if it
was something from Rob Clark or I think it was
something from agriculture to be honest, like brought in self uh.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
Which which is something that happens very often in sciences,
like as new emerging fields and stuff are coming online,
they use they use nomenclature already in place for a
related field and kind of adapted to what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, I was watching recently. I was watching, Uh, there
was a one of the chefs, not Gordon Ramsey, the
Pierre guy, the guy that taught Gordon Ramsey. I was
watching this documentary on him going around cooking stuff for
like London dishes or whatever. And one of the things
that they were they went was it beats or I

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think it was beats. Anyways, they had this lady was
growing them and they had them in like a basement,
dark area, but they had candles lit in there, so
it was real low light. And they said that but
they've learned over the years that if you let them
grow with really low lights that it makes them sweeter.
So I wonder, you know, you hear that in cannabis

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the Bro Science and shit Matt, So I was wondering,
is that maybe where you get the whole like, oh, well,
you know when you go to harvest, put your plan
in for you know, forty eight hours of darkness or
whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
You know, I remember the bro science of it being
like and I don't I don't know whether I genuinely
don't know that where this was taken from, but like
people would say, oh, yeah, you turn it, you know,
two days of dark because that THC or the oils
or at its highest point in the tricones in the
dark during the cycle.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, scientists.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
I've never seen that papers, but maybe it's in there,
maybe like in a lavender paper something like that about And.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I just wondered if it wouldn't from like that. Well,
I think it was beats or something. Bro. I'm not sure,
some kind of thing that they were wrong, but it's
weird that they were doing that.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
You watch cooking documentaries, Bro.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I got so big to the other I'm fucking bake
right now. To be honest with you, dude, I got
some we gotta do. We're gonna talk about some trades
and some dominant trades and some recessive trades here.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I don't know if you saw the news, bro, but
I think I might actually have two dads. Fam.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
I need to hear about this.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
All right. Well we'll break it down real quick, all right. Yeah,
So yesterday I'm sitting there, I was looking at my
genealogy shit or whatever, like my DNA test. It's like
on a website or whatever. Right, I did it like
six years ago.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
But I was.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I would always look at it to see like, you
know where I come from, you know where you know
stuff like that. Whatever, Well, I was my dad. You
know the history of my dad. He's had a lot
of medical problems like strokes and brain timber and shit
like that. So, you know, throughout my life, I'm like, man, like,
when's my time coming? Fam? You know. Like, so I
was like, maybe I'll start looking into like that kind

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of stuff and see what, you know, kind of trying
to predict if I'm gonna have some problems or something.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
So I was looking on his side of his tree, bro,
and like all the people on there were people from Kentucky.
My dad's from Iowa and he's born and raised in Iowa.
So like the people that were showing up on his
his side were people from my hometown, the same place
that my mom's side was showing up. So I was like,

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what the hell, Bro, I have to thinking like, my
dad's got jet black hair, bro, dominant trait, dude. My
grandma's got jet black hair. Dude. They're always talking about
how they're Native American. I'm sit here looking at myself like, dude,
I'm I ain't know I cannot be Native American, dude.
And I was like, whatever, Well, I'm looking at and
I'm get to looking back through family pictures, bro, and

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I'm like, man, like, I look like my mom and
that's it. Like I'm a foot taller than the rest
of my family, uh, you know, and I got red hair,
reddish blonde, strawberry blonde hair. My body hair is blonde,
like my dad's hair is like he's like a gorilla.
His hair's all black. His arm hair is black. He's stocky,
he's like five five, bro.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Uh, but so I'm looking at this data, you know,
on this website, I'm putting too and two together, and like,
what the hell? So I just se straight up. I
was just like, fuck it. Me and my mom are
close as hell. So I called her up and I
was just like, yo, is there any possibility that my
dad ain't my dad? Fam? And She's like, uh. It

(11:21):
wasn't like, oh no, there's no way. It was just like,
uh maybe. So uh we got to talking and uh,
the guy that supposedly my mom was in the navy
right so before she met my dad, literally like the
week before, she's you know, getting a little ratchet out
on the town on leave on Christmas. Right, she come

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back from San Diego. She's a or whatever base off
base and she's back home in Kentucky and her house.
Heart was home as well. He's was out in California
on base as well, and uh, they went on a
few dates Christmas makes and you know, start smashing. I
guess I talked to mom. She's like, you know, I

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had my monthly thing, so I just didn't think I
was pregnant. Blah blah blah. Well I meet your dad
like a week later at a Vedo machine dude out
in San Diego. All right, she need she needed change.
And I guess my dad's just blasting raw dog in
the eighties style. Maybe you guys can tell us in
the chat, some of your older guys, what's up with that,
y'all just blasting everybody raw dog style back in the eighties.

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But so I'll get to look at this guy's picture,
fam he looks just like me, So no way, I
swear to God, I'll reach and I even reach out
to him. I said, look, dude, like my mom said,
you you know the date is exactly because I was like,
Mom was like, well, maybe it's not I was like, well,
when'd you hang out with him? She's like, well, New
Year's Eve, right, I'm born on September eighth, it's nine

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months fan. All right. People are like you are you tripping?
Are you sad?

Speaker 6 (12:55):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm like, fuck, no, dude, I might have two dads. Dude,
that's cool. Shit, Like I don't know, and my dad's
had a lot of medical problems, right, So like the
fact that there might be some other dude out there
that's my dad that uh, you know, I could hang
out with or get to know. Maybe I don't know,
maybe I don't want to, yeah, kiss whatever, but uh, yeah,
this cool man. They explained a lot of stuff in

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my life. Dude, I've always fell a little out of place.
But my mom said, yeah, she just didn't know, and
the dude didn't know, and that you know. So hey,
but hey, guys, bond not yet. It's Facebook, so I
don't know, you know, it's he don't get on the
very much. But guys, grow up, gals, look at your dad,
look at your mom. You're thinking of yourself. I don't
look like these motherfuckers kind of uh, do some investigation

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because you might have a whole other fucking family. I
got like four or five sisters and shut out there
fam probably like it's crazy. He had a whole other family,
Like I don't know, it's kind of cool. But but
while I'm going through this, like a four hour process,
I'm thinking to myself, my dad got black hair, he's
five five, everything about it like he's chubby. Do you
see what I'm saying. I'm not. I'm not like got

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it all. I'm skinny, tall, you know, or taller, and
red hair. And when you take black hair and you
combine it with blonde or red, generally it dominates unless
you got the double recesses. My my real father, biological father.
He has reddish brown hair, blue eyes. His eyes look
exactly like mine. It's face shape and everything. So kind
of interesting. Little story man, daddy's frow.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
How did that feel like? Finding that out as you're
kind of scoping through this.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Honestly, the probably one of the biggest reliefs of my life.
And I mean, dude, I'm in my mid thirties now.
Suddenly I got a hold, new doorway, a new chapter,
new possibilities to meet some like someone that is like
my actual dad, And I don't feel like it's like
in a dirty way, I think that he generally probably
didn't know and the timing and stuff like I but
actually I felt great, dude, because you know, my dad's

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had a lot of medical problems. So if I'm not
his biological son, I hate to say it, like I
feel like you know, like I said, I've had this
anxiety building up for a long time, like man, like
when am I getting a stroke? When am I get
Because my dad started getting strokes brain tumors in his
early twenties and in his thirties, so uh, as I
get older, I'm like shit in my pants, like when
So a big relief, dude, honestly, And uh, you know,

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there's been times where my dad's almost passed away. So
the fact that there might be my biological father is
out there and maybe he could build a relationship with
him if he wants. Uh, I don't know. Families. Family
is important, you know, so to me at so, I
think it's fucking cool at the.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Very least, at the very least you might have a
longer lease on life at least. Yeah, like not not pain,
not you know some of these things that can be
passed down.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, so you know, cool cool little little tidbit. You know,
I don't know a little little fact about Chucky. I
got two dads. Well that's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
When he said that, I was like, does he have
two males somehow lasting on each other?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
And you know, my dad will always be my dad,
you know I've been until I changed that. I could
care less if he's my biological father or not. But
he's the guy who raised me. He was there for
me and held it down. So but the prospects of
potentially having a relationship with someone else that is matter
biological father thinks pretty fucking cool. I don't know, it's
kind of neat, dude.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
We need someone's right, we do you need like a weed?
Jerry Springer show when.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I know you you're back. I know all my buddies
are like, my buddies are like sending me Jerry Springer,
you're not the father me And I'm like. My mom
was like, oh bro, she had ants up and down
New Year's Eve, getting dirty dick down.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
She's like it was like that, dude.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Everybody I know that was in the Navy from those years,
they were all fucking everyone like wife swapping, all kinds
of wild ship like that's just the way it was.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
It is.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think, yeah, yeah, they're so cool, cool little story.
Uh yeah, I don't know. He's obviously back in Kentucky
and ship if he reads it and we meet up,
it'd be kind of cool. That's all I got to
say about it.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
So the guy does have some of your your facial traits.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Though I'm mistaking this motherfucker's face. I gotta show you
a video later. I was taking this motherfucker's face on
my iPad and I made our head. I took a
picture the same like he had, and I'm taking my
face in his face, making them transparent, and they fit
over perfectly, and I'm fading them in the same green eyes,
same short little teeth like that guy. Bro, Like the

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same exact shape of my teeth, same thin lip, top lip, bro,
same creases right here, same chubby cheek, kind of like
rounded cheat dudels right there. You go. Yeah, he even
got the same creases and the same shape ears, bro,
Like the ears and everything are exactly the same, like
the or just this profile of it, the way they're

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flat to his face and they're a certain curve and
everything to them. Dude, you like it's weird.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
You had twenty years for some reason.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I got a nice little rounded and nicely this year,
bro over here is halfway lower than this one because
when I was a kid, I ripped it off. Uh
so it's sold back on. So it's a little what
fucked up?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
You know, I had my nose so back on too.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Really well, I don't know anyways, enough about my daddy issues,
do it.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
That's a story I.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Might I told the guys in the discourse, said I
could have something to do with the camp dog origin
story after all.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
After all, right, maybe Kentucky Bluegrass ship.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
You never knows. I don't know. This dude's like a
Navy seal bro, so I don't know or whatever he is.
He's like something.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Hey, the ra young guys were merchant Marines and uh
I think, uh yeah, the guys were marines too.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
SA out there drilling my mom, you know, making kids
and shoot, put some condoms on motherfucker's god damn.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
I mean, you gotta talk to them all about I
told her.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I said, well, you get you get rapting on me, mom.
I said, that was pretty excuious. You can tell me
the truth is. She said, well, you know that's a
possibility that I get this guy you're dead. So it
was it even like, oh no, there's no way, yes, like, uh,
maybe you got me heard. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, we're getting

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into weed shit. Guys.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I love that though.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
I think that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I had I'd hate to be him. Right, You're sitting
there at you're fifty five years old. He's got like,
you know, three daughters and a son, and he's like
living his life and doing all this ship and then
it's like, surprise, motherfucker, chunk.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
You're over eighteen, dude, that.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
You waited until after you're eighteen to figure out your
mom was a home you know.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Like, so he's got a really young son. So he's
obviously was wanting a son because he had three daughters
in the same age. So I was like, maybe it
will be like, damn, I got a whole grown ass
son out there. Fam. I mean, yeah, dude, that's cool as.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Still making babies, dude, I got like a one year
old girl brother.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Month old. He's still blasted.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Away pounding meat. Hey, hey, somebody's got to do it nowadays. Man,
I guess somebody's got to make some babies.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
He's made so many and there's been so many times
I've had like, uh, you got a thirteen year old sister,
you've got eight five year old brother, like just out
of the blue.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, it makes sense. Dude always had this feeling though, like, man,
I belong to that on the beat somewhere like a
beach bumb. I thought maybe my mom smashed them dad
out there in Cali bro beach bump type shit. And
come to find out, now it's just some other dude
in my hometown.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I mean he's idlewin.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Though, right he said, no my dad, my real dad
or my dad that raised me. He's from Iowa. Okay,
this guy he's from He grew up with my mom.
He's my mom's high school sweetheart. So it's even oh here,
and everyone's like, maybe it's not true. But here's here's
another interesting fact. Matt. Fifteen years ago, when I was
in twenty twenty years old, I was in Florida with

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my brothers, my family, my girlfriend, one of my best friends,
my brother. He always had these problems. He's always a
little cry baby, right, a little proper fucking sissy. I'll
be honest, but he'd always cried and he got into him.
The mom are on the middle of vacation down in Pensacola,
shoutout Florida. But he my mom goes, or my brother

(21:31):
said something a degree of like, you know, that's why
dad blah blah blah, it's a better parent, et cetera, cetera.
You know, you know how it is he did of
the argument, Well, she goes, well, guess what, motherfucker, that
guy that you're so proud about ain't even your real
fucking dad. So so this has already happened once. Bro,
there's some dude down in Calia smash my mom when
my dad's overseas. My dad's piping out these Asian chicks,

(21:54):
dude in Thailand and shit like overseas and she's piping
out something at the club in San Diego. Uh So, yeah,
like that's kind of cool, bro, I got a giant
as family. Now it's kind of tight, dude.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I mean, at least it was her high school sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
So Mommy to Ratchet, I was, see, here's a kicker, dude.
I look just like my brother. So I'm sitting there
shipping myself like I'm gonna have it hurt. He's got
like his dad's like kind of I don't know how
to even say this without even being mean. He's just
hm hmm. I don't know. He's just a you know,
not a desirable person. Let's just say that little little,

(22:32):
little but ugly and uh sketchy passed. So my mom,
you know. But so I'm thinking, like, great, I got this.
Motherfucker's dad comes out. Turns out it turns out he's
like a Navy seal and went to desert storm and
fucking I don't know, it's like a sniper, and I
don't know, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, that's so weird.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
It documentary about this show.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I know, right, check your DNA's guys, you might have
another daddy out there. I said, isn't that kind of cool?
What if you're a dude and you've lost your your
cheek and you lost your father and it's a very
sad feeling, it's very depressing, like going through that with
my dad's medical stuff. It's like, you know, we talked
about that he's gonna go down and you might have
some guy or her mom out there that or I guess, guy,

(23:17):
uh that's your you know, you could have a whole
nother relationship with you know, imagine being twenty years old,
you lose your father and then you find out you
your actual real dad her somewhere, and it sucks that
it went the way it went. But I don't know,
I think that's fuck cool, bro.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, I'd be interested to see what you guys have
in common. Past looks like a lot.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I looked at it. I was like, I was, that's
what my mom got all giddy when and stuff we're
talking about this. I'm thinking, like, man, he must have
a fucking hog on him or something. He's like, She's like, yo,
he's the one that got away, and uh, I'm sitting
here thinking like, no, dude, Yeah, we have a lot
in common. Bro. He likes to dress up and goof around.
He likes to mess with bows. Uh you know yeah,

(23:58):
he's uh good around like me. Yeah. I don't know.
That's cool, man, that's kind of neat. Dude.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well, congratulations on your new found family.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I guess maybe if you even want, you know, so
you know how that goes. Man, he might trip out
and be like yo, fuck off. But I was looking
at being a little creeper on his Facebook and like
his firstborn daughter, you know, was like, oh, my firstborn daughter,
and I thought, dude, isn't that kind of cool? Like
show up firstborn son, jack that ship by like fifteen years.
Prisely when you're a middle child. Yes, now that's let's

(24:33):
move on. Let's move on.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Alright, alright, No, that was great. It was a good
good opener. It makes me happy.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah. Maybe YouTube let has passed since it wasn't weed content.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yeah yeah maybe maybe yeah talking about open blasting, blasting, Yeah,
my Instagram account has been getting restricted more and more
every day. I think he just restricted my ship to
where I can't look at other people as followers. So
I had to feel it and then and they're like, okay,
we can see that we made an error again. But

(25:06):
it's like just from sorry as nothing better to do
with their lives and being little weirdos for me saying I'm.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Fucking this and that I just don't care about it. Man,
somebody reports it and deletes, it's like, fuck it, bro,
I was making another one.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah, once you hit like twenty eight thousand, you're like,
you think about all the fucking posts I've ben making
posts on there since it started.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Like hey, but it's inevitable for me. Yeah, well it's
you know, for me, it's hard to keep up with
just the Discord. So it's like, you know, it's following
and stuff. It's cool, but uh, you know, I've it's
it's different from you built your stuff solely up over time,
so you uh, you know, you met a lot of
people as you went, and I mean you you carved
out a lane for a lot of guys like us

(25:51):
in the Discord to kind of fast track and show
up and make a lot of friends doing and uh yeah,
like I mean just being involved in that in the Discord,
i'd I don't really feel the need to go on
Instagram much and really get that satisfaction that some people
get from posting. H I got my homies for the
last three years that I've been grown with uh that Uh,

(26:11):
you know, I talk to you every day, so you know,
a lot of people will write me on an Instagram
met and I'm sorry that I'm right back, but I'm
fucking busy and my time goes towards the people in
the Discord before anybody else. So I do apologize, but
I got to make some kind of priorities and stuff.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
I'm the same way with Instagram, Like it's been so
many times where it's been reported, take it down, brought
back up, take it down.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Brought back up.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
It's like, I don't even post week content there.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
You know it's not it's not friendly to it.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
It makes it an easy laying for someone that doesn't
like you just all day you know.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, I don't even use it. So when I see
how do you how do you get reported? Bro? And
I've been posting the week stuff and about it, I
just let me do whatever. Bro, I got that double
white privilege with a two dad now, like I'm looking
a bunch of unplageable dude.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I don't know, you're just laughing over there.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Man, I know he's Mexican. We need to find out
whose real dad he is that kind.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Of cool man, let's go. That's a quest. I went
an a four hour quest if I'm my motherfucking dad
yesterday Matt using using uh you know, dominating recessive traits,
using twenty three of me using my mom's late night
stories from back in nineteen eighty eight getting piped out
after the movie Your Books. Uh yeah, yeah yeah, but

(27:34):
she's Entucky.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
We were just like this all happened literally last night.
So I'm I've like just kind of been processing all
this today.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
And you know, Sweetheart, he's in there.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I mean he is in there. They dated the ninth
grade and ship. But yeah, man, I've been I've been
busting ass outside and the outdoor grow dudes. I've been busy.
You know, Uh what's not going on out there? Uh?
Stuff that you guys wouldn't no. Uh, Well, I got
Kim had the d the ninety one, the shore Line
bubba uh something else. A couple other cuts, uh, A

(28:11):
couple of other cuts out there that I kept from
my last run of Blue Sour Cut. And then some
autos that I chucked like six seven months ago that
I'm just contesting and running them out to look at them.
And you know, got a I got a big bunch
of like ting gallon potsa pop a bunch of autos
in and I just kind of select select from that,
and you know, if they're mailed the rigs. So if

(28:32):
I you know, if I want to think about just
letting the mails dump on some of the legacy stuff
and just trying to make a better auto, I guess
over time, you know, if I can, no.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Way to do it.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Fun, Hey, I have fun, you know, and just experiencing
an outdoor growing a greenhouse, like I don't know, I
want to try everything, man, I want to. I want
to try at least, you know, kissing guys, growing different styles,
you know. I think it's cool, bro, you know, different
environments and maybe that in itself has been such a

(29:06):
learning experience going from you know, somewhere down south to
Michigan and it's like, holy ship, dude, It's a totally different,
totally different thing. So it's been fun.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, I feel it.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Go ahead, guys are going You got any.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
New dadies in your left troop?

Speaker 6 (29:24):
Now? Just the same too, same too.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
That's awesome, that's good. That's good. Only need too. I've
had three four dads, well four if you kept.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, well I got four two if you count Denalion
my stepdad.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Up there.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I got mind my stepdad that's been with my mom since.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Six, I don't know how long they've been together.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Have you had a better Have you had a better
relationship with any of your stepdads than your real dad?

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I never had a bad relationship with my real dad.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
He's just he was always in and out of prison
for dealing and so he would be out for eight
years or doing a wild ship like you know what
I mean, Like he's crazy.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
He's still crazy.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
But we have a we have a decent We didn't
talk for some Yeah, we have a decent relationship.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I get we never played. It was a mean.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
One of my stepdads is a complete fuck and this
one has been like a real dad, like an anytime
I move, you know, he's always there doing ship.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah he's cool. So there are good step dads out there,
just far few between.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Hey, shout out Tim Uh. He's British as fuck. I
love you, bro. He moved over to He left his
family behind in England to come and live with my mom.
So she must got some fire ass snatch because everybody's
trying to get her pregnant, and the dudes from across
the sea to get it.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
So you see a picture of your mama.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Now, she's cute. But shout out to the stepdads. He
took care of my ass too. Bro. You know I
gotta give it, you know, credit where credit is due.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, it's it's rare to find a good step dad.
So shout out to the step dads. Out of here,
and of course yeah, biological biological bad.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, if I have any real dads or double dads
or two point zeros, i'd fucking i'd ask to adopt
my ass. I fucking.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
I have that to adopt my ass's true.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
And it's true in the true it's true, it's true.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I love that motherfucker.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Yeah, kindly, kindly, Yeah, I had a funny thing happened today.
Like I've been lately, some dudes have been digging into
the whole the music scene here, local punk rop music scene.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
So I've been seeing a lot of my old band.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Stuff popping up, like people popping up with and you know,
there's vinyl some stuff, and then there's lots of videos,
and then today someone posted one from our wrestling band.
So it's kind of like a time capsule. Look at
that ship. I don't remember doing a.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Lot of it.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
I was on a lot of drugs, but yeah, it's
funny to watch me show up with Pete Bunny or referee.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
That's two size too small.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Hey, when you when you were doing going through that,
were you doing drugs because it was like part of
the scene, or were you doing drugs to like get
in the mood for the shows or was it to
like I know, for me, when I was making music
for a while, I would I got into smoking kind
of heavy because I felt like it inspired me and
brought me to a different mind and set to like
make more creative and kind of like open my brain

(32:34):
a little bit more to new ideas. So like for you,
was there a way to like get through the shows
from performing or was that just something part of the
vibe of what you guys did, or like, like what
what brought that on? Are your friends like location like
we all did.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
We all drank a lot, so like from a young age,
it was natural for me when I'm hanging out with
my friends to be blasted out drunk.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
So I was always there, but the pills came in.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
One of my best friends was on pills for his ear,
and like early on to be like here a takeap this.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Will make you more fucked up when you.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Drink Yeah, And then eventually it switched over to this
will make you more fucked up, then drink it, you know, so,
but like I mean, I really feel like when I
quit opiates, I couldn't write music anymore.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I wasn't interested in playing music. Anymore. I didn't have
the want to be in a crowd or in front
of a crowd or do any of that shit. But
I was fucked up. I'd do whatever.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
I didn't care, you know. So there's a lot of
that to it, But I think a lot of it
was focused, Like it slowed me down enough for my
brain to slow down enough.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
To be able to create.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well. I could relate with the uh the wee because
I mean a lot of people are asking me why
do I smoke blunt? Sometimes? You know, I smoke blunt,
so uh, you know, when I obviously because of Reggie,
but you know, when I was making music in my
early twenties and stuff and doing that shit, I lived
with one of my good buddies and we didn't have
like internet or nothing, so I literally just made beats

(33:56):
on I don't know if people know it fel studio
or foodoo loops. At the time, I was messing with
fruity loops and I was making like beats and ship
and uh yeah, man like something about a blunt walking
around making beats, you know, doing it. It just was
part of the routine and became the way I was
how I was creative I'd stay up all nights, you know,
nicotine and we getting blasted bro not sexually, but getting blasted,

(34:19):
and yeah, just making beats, and uh, I would find that, yeah,
if I didn't smoke a blunt or when I would
go through stages of being a broke boy for a
while not having a weed. I try to make music
and I felt flat, dude, or like a block, like
writer's block or something, and I fucking since I get
that weed, like fucking bopping in there. My mom's getting
cloud out and just fucking you know, doing my shit.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't play music anymore.
I really check up my guitar or touch it. I
don't do that anyways. If there's someone else in the house,
I can hear for whatever reason. Like I used to
playing shows, but now I don't ever like people to play.
It's real fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I don't touch them any instruments me too. With the
process of making beats, especially when you're developing melodies, it's
like really repetitive because the way I'll do it is
more on like a dollar system. So it's not like
I don't really I've played trumpet and progression for two
years back when I was a kid. But you know,
actually like reading music a lot of it. I'm doing
sting it by ear and having fun because I mean,

(35:19):
I'm not doing show. So yeah, I don't know what
the fuck we're going on, tangents. Sorry, guys, gals, this
is what we do. We get back.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Already gives a ship out of our music.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, but post video of it in the discord for
those that do.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
You can see me wearing pink bunny ears and referee
shirt and the wrestling.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Actually, the dude who posted it was our basis and
he didn't even He's like, I'm cutting out the wrestling,
even though that's why everybody came to see that band play.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
He's like, I'm just leaving that for the people who
are there. And I was like, well the fuck.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
I want to see that ship as it was a
wild Those guys used to kill each other in our band.
I was the referee, so I only take bumps, but
they fucking legit hurt each other bad.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Really bloody, So yeah, I want to see all that
shit anyway.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
Screw what do we have for questions relating to the
topic back crossing can't cross ibl s one?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Where should we take.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
It, okay, So from dizzy depths, if you take two
S one seeds from the same mother and reverse one
on the other, are the resulting seeds S two R
one or something different.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
I mean the R one thing, if I remember correctly.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
The first time I saw that used was referring to
recombinant genetics, which doesn't really have to do with necessarily reversing,
so it's more of a.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Scientific tool type things. I understand it. We use the
term like F one R. So I'll start off with this.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
F one's very loaded term because we want to use
that in cannabis. But most of what we work with
the cannabis are true f ones. F ones are like
Afghani cross to tide, Afghani cross to some long flowering African.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
It's two.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Different parents, distinctly different genotypes cross together. Definition of an
F one, they are acrossing two polyhybrids together in the
first place.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Even if you're reversing coling F one is iffy.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
But a lot of these terms we're trying to adapt
to cannabis, and cannabis is a lot different than other plants.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
It's a lot more variant, it's a lot more dependent
on environment. For expression.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
There are other plants out there like that, but it's
I don't know those terms and those plants, and we
have the terms we loosely use in this that don't
really apply. When I was making the Codex, which is
Codex dot Breeders to get dot com, I had to
learn to like adapt using terms because I was starting

(38:08):
off with land races and stuff like that, entering those
in is parental lines p one, like starting with Afghany Mexican,
you know, Afghani Colombia and things like that that were
real common in across and is when we started getting
into like modern hybrids that have stayed and made a

(38:29):
big difference in the scene, which is what the Codex
really is is strains that have changed cannabis that reported
to know about.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I had to start using terms like pH.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
F one polyhybrid F one too for my own brain
to be able to establish the nomenclature for the parented,
and that's kind of what I went with. I don't
know that it's ever going to be adopted, which wasn't
my intention. It was more of my intention to be
able to correctly use equations to to break down parentage,
and that was the best thing I came up with

(39:00):
was pH F one for polyhybrid f ones.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
But yeah, with with something like that one or R
have one reversal.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Some people don't even like denoting reversals, but I think
that's important to know because you'd want to know if
there was a feminized work in the line, because it
will tell you how far it took it forward. When
it comes to recessor traits, it can bring them out
faster by using a reverse parent. By reversed, I mean
grade with spray, turn that female to a male, have

(39:35):
it attack that female with its pollen balls.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
What else is there? Yeah, I get, I'll leave it there.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I think I answered it well.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I think.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
In what you were what you were talking about with
the adding like the R and stuff, and how it's
kind of you know, controversial, I guess, or debatable on
whether or not we're still kind of in that transition
phase of trying to come to a consensus on on what. Hey,

(40:10):
you know, this is solidified as as what these things mean,
And I think it's important to add as much data
as possible as because you never know down the line,
you know, like how you were how you were just
talking about with the you know, I important to add
the reversal it. We might not know why yet, but

(40:34):
somewhere down the line that could be the Hey, this
is what makes this one different is that they reversed it.
Let's look into that.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
A good example would be like when the subterfuge termed
on some plants that I had of subterfuge has the
ABC type traits, which are the almost like IV leaf
traits in cannabis, and usually you don't see those two
at three like, start seeing those pop up at the
twenty five percent range. But because it was reversed, even

(41:06):
if on accident and hit something, they were popping up
in the very first hybrid, because reversing brings out those
recessive genetics faster, recessive trades faster.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
In that case, knowing it was reversal would explain.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Why we were seeing that and why people would be
seeing that in further working with the plant.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
You know.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
So that's just a good example of a reason to
have to do that. Someone pointed out earlier. I should
mention also like when we're writing this stuff out for
I mean, I look at it like algebraic equations. The
female starts on the left, the male is always on
the right starts with the female.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Male is always going to be on the right side.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
If it's a reverse female, it's still going to be
on the right side because it's producing the pollen. I
see a lot of breeders out there not knowing that,
which is like it used to be gay one and
if you fuck that up and throw on the forums
like put the male first, people would chew you up.
But nowadays I don't even think people care that much
about it. You know, there are people that care about it,

(42:06):
but not dom Yeah, it's a niche thing to hear
this much about it in the first place.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Receiver Sla don or fam remember.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
Yeah, well, it lets you know what's going on, Like
it makes it to where we can talk to each
other even about really old things that happened a long
time ago, all of that stuff, and have essentially like
a shorthand on being able to know exactly what we're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, yep, I got a question there, met or somebody
made a comment there.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Oh, let's see.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Uh well, Matt, can we get Coon on again with
his version of the Neville and old School stories.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
I don't know cot no devil, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
The Yeah, I haven't talked to old Coot in a
long time, so yeah, it'd be cool. He's a great
guy to talk to. He's amazing with organic gardening and
soil mixes and stuff.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Be good. It would be good.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Got kt over on Twitch shout out Donald twitch watchers. Sorry, guys,
I'm fucking bake Gosh should be reading. I don't know
if I put twitt, I don't know. He says he
watched it. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. Up guys
to check chronic worm farmer says, I can see the
lubricating on my desk. Brother, Well, I know you're fucking

(43:25):
lying because I use Big Lougi's only to it to
spin on it.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Here was a good question, and this is a side right,
what's up with the Alaskan vintage blueberry supposedly predates DJ's work,
So another good blueberry question. I actually had that clone,
and when it was given to me, that whole story
about being pretty DJ didn't exist. It was from a

(43:54):
guy named Dean's Beans on Instagram, just guy pop and see.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
And he gave it to a K. B. Brains and it.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Was absolutely a DJ short Blueberry was a modern DJ blueberry,
and it was. It had very heavy pre flowering traits,
so semi auto people would use the term. It was
lightly blueberry muffin. It was no potency, but it had
a great smell. It was resinous. It would trigger into

(44:23):
flower faster, so that could be something people would like
on it. But yeah, there's no like how people always
talked about pre DJ blueberry. As far as it goes
into the genetics that are out there today, I don't
know that there is any pre DJ blueberry archive. Well,
I should say, mouchi man aka, what's that kind of

(44:44):
rare daintness? Scott Riach he had a clone called Old
Blue from his brother that was supposed to lead pre
DJ short maybe a big.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Bud type or something like that. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
I've never had it archives that he didn't have it anymore,
but it still did it as collective.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
How that works, I don't know. Might be, but I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's where's my.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Story with it. I can't confirm it until I see
it in front of me.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Hey, where's my form cut?

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Hey, whenever I'll tell you you might have you might
have a.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Man? Don't say these things. I'm getting zigger bro g
c forum cut.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yeah, some stuff on the way for.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
The crew though. Yeah, yeah, hush, it's very ushush get.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
For those clone dorms. Yeah, yeah, fucking things, man.

Speaker 7 (45:43):
I ain't nobody want to know clone some montherfucking seeds man.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Exactly exactly, all right, So we we we kind of
briefly went through reversals.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
So that's you know, S one, there's S two.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Like, so if someone S one something self sick sels
a clone and they're going in the same direction as
said clone, that would be a S two. Intent of direction.
Breeding direction is everything, and that leads us on to
back cross.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
What is a back cross?

Speaker 5 (46:14):
A back cross would be taking a say, for example,
I always like to use these two bubble gum and
blueberry because it's easy for people to remember. Let's say
we have a bubble gum female a blueberry male, and
we want to.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Make more seeds of it.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
But we didn't have a bubblegum male.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
We only have the blueberry male.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
So what we're gonna do is we're gonna take that
bubble gum female across it to a blueberry male and
then take that resultant progeny select for bubblegum traits, find
a male that represents those bubblegum traits, which is hard
in cannabis to do.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
It's very hard to know.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
What direction of mail is not only going to breathe,
but what it's expressing in itself, and cross that back
to the female. Resulting seeds theoretically should at least hopefully
show one a single trait that you're selecting for. That
would be a b X one. The intent has to
be there to match it to the original parent. That

(47:13):
would be a back cross, a true back cross.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
People use the term, but it's like I'm.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
Just gonna hit this with this this male. No, I'm
gonna hit it back again to the female and all
those seeds.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
You know, buck it.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
It's all good, you know, but there has to be
some intent in the breeding. That's what breeding is. Otherwise
it's just trying to play, and playing is a valid
way to make seeds and sell them. You know, it's
worked for a long time.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
It looks we weren't reading the chat earlier, but it
looks like he had a guy. They had the same
story as me, but with the whole dad. That's crazy. Yeah,
well we'll go back to it at the end. Do
let's keep it on the strange stuff now. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Have a bunch of aka bean genetics. Are they all bs?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I mean, you know, Okay, a good job, Matt, good
job positivity, fa that's a good day. Oh yeah, I
got all kinds of good stories. But you guys, finally
get for good weather out there, Matt. It's finally starting
to be nice here, dude, it's trying up. The greenhouse

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is tall. Was pretty nice. Today is tolerable, pretty horrible.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
It's been so hot the sun is directly like ten
inches above my face here.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
This is hell.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Shout out anyways, Yeah, gang, when when.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
I speak about these terms, the breeding terms, breeding is
done with intent. Otherwise, what are we doing? You know,
we're being creative. You know we're crossing random things to
random things and seeing what happens. That's, like I said,
there are guys that do that. That's a valid way
to make seeds.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Lots. I mean, people sold seats using that method for yours.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
So cool made a massive company just doing that.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
And his his theory was the more variation the better.
The more uniformity sucks. You know, some people like tons
of variation.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
I'm the opposite, Like I like to have the least
amount of variation as possible, because I want to be
able to say this, this is this, you can expect this,
this and this, and people pop them go. That's exactly
what I saw. That's what I'd like to do. But
not everybody's into that. Some people do like the variants.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
That's something I appreciate about appreciate about your work, man,
is you know the pictures you got on your website.
We ain't gonna say it, but when you pop them,
it looks like a lot of times most of the
shit like the blue sour h and a few other ones,
a great blue high creamy punch, a few other ones
are in that they all there was at least a

(49:56):
plant that I grew that looked dead up like the picture. Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
I do a lot of f ones polyhybrids where I'll
be like, Okay, this is this is playtime.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
This is time for me to see.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Everything that I can do with this this specific mail
or whatever. I'll release them, but not everything I had
to breathing. But then there's things like the blue and
Cross where I'm going in a fucking direction and I
want to see almost every plant look similar. I want
them all to smell like some version of blue you
know is going to be a breeding project?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Is ever? Is there a so when you're doing these
chucks and making these crosses, all these polyhybrids and ship
and some of them you're using like for example, resurrection
toimes Mobile one or Mobile one or whatever, and then
you take that and across it too, you know, uh
whatever great blue hype, which is like obviously, So how

(50:50):
like when you're if you're not naming them these strains
something or or whatever, when you should do this chuck
for example, because obviously when you're making seeds or chucking
or whatever, you're gonna have a bunch of seeds. They
throw random plants in there, you can't. I mean people
make fun of like, oh, well, you know everybody was
everybody naming something nowadays. But like for me, for like
a conver ar Screwston was talking about, for even a

(51:12):
conversational standpoint, like how the fuck, Like I was really
confused on this. How do you properly label all this
to show everything that makes it up?

Speaker 6 (51:22):
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Because instead of just being like, well, you know, Resurrection
times gray blue hype, right, but you want to show
what so I guess how's the proper way with like, uh,
I don't even like the colons or brackets and stuff.
Is there a proper way to do all that you know,
to show all that you know? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yeah there is.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
I mean you use brackets inside of brackets, like when
I'm doing it, like on the computer, like the first
set of like uh, like the first parent. Let's say
it's got bob gun across the blueberry is the first
part of it that'll be in brackets, and there will
be an outside bracket, and the next thing is crossed in
is inside that bracket.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Sometimes I'll use totally different.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Looking brackets to help distinguish that, you know what I mean,
and then onto the mail side do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
But it's always like an equation. It's everything should.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Look like That's what I thought, But I've seen and
it had done a couple of different ways with different
like you were saying, different styles, So I was just
kind of curious. But yeah, I get the general gist
of it, but I thought that was a good question.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I think the different brackets is probably stupid, but.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
I do it just because for my brain, I want
to be able to look at a glance and know
exactly what it is. Yeah, brackets and brackets essentially like
an order. Like in math, there's something called the order
of operation. So you know how what what you add together,
subtract together, multiple together, and divide together, and what orders
so you can get the actual number at the end
to be correct. That's kind of the order of operation

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of breeding. It would be brackets email, the male brackets
inside frosted another mail inside more rackets racket.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, all right, what else you've got screwed?

Speaker 6 (53:07):
Let's see here? Okay, how do you continue to track
a line that has head reversals once you're a couple
of gens into line breading or outcrossing. And this is
like the expanded question. I have lines that started with

(53:28):
or word narrowed by using selfing. Then I took those
lines further and then reversed it back onto the mother stock. Okay,
So like, so he got s one seeds and then

(53:51):
took two selections, reversed one onto the other, and then
from that select made a selection and crossed it back
into the original mother stock that the s ones were
made from.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Okay, So I mean it really depends.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
So in answering this, at first, you want to know
how different were those two expressions in that plant, because
if you're just crossing to the two different expressions, you're
gonna get gonna it's gonna still be narrowed because it's reversed, right,
but it's not gonna be as open as saying, crossing
two females, I'm sorry, a female and a male from

(54:31):
a regular line. It's gonna be less diverse than that,
but still more diverse than say, selfing the seeding plant.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Like I, it's tricky.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
It's a tricky one because, like I, if I were
doing that, I would just be selfing, selfing, selfing, as
opposed to working back to the mom and just doing
selections on only selecting stuff that looks exactly like the mom.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
If that's what I want to do, and make the seed.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Line uniform as opposed to crossing it to a sister
of itself and then crossing that back to the mother.
So you're opening it up and then narrowing it in
a way, and it's it's kind of it's it's artistic
at best. I'd say, yeah, I mean it's maybe it works,

(55:16):
but it also depends on how narrow the line was initially,
and that's What it boils down to, how how narrow
was the line that you started with the parent you
started with, How well how worked was the line that
that selection was taken from. Because people always ask like,
can I take something.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
To F ten? Will that be uniform?

Speaker 5 (55:33):
And they don't understand, like, well, it depends how uniform
was the line that that that selection, the very first
selection that you used that that came from. How narrow
was that line initially? Was it highly variant? Because that
means you're going to have to work it further. If
it was very narrow, you're not going to need to
work into F ten. That's kind of ridiculous, and and

(55:54):
in most cases, working stuff to F ten is ridiculous.
You shouldn't need to work anything like that that far
if you know what you're doing, and and you're you're
carefully selecting, and if something doesn't working out going back
to the original seeds re selecting like.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
High loans it does.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I was literally about to say that.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
To F five and go back to F two.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
If he's not happy, If you perfections, If you don't
know who high Loansome is, look him up, do your research.
If you know he's readers, look up to a good guy.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
Best way I can put it. Someone asked about snow
high again. I'll give you the same answers that I
gave a key being brains.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Does it sound like I have hemorrhoids or something? I
think that's the best I can give you.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I got plenty of hemorrhoids. If someone's wanting to him, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Stony Baker, what's up?

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Brother? I want to have Study Baker on the show
with the Nalli and you guys, he's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
One of my favorites to watch.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Hey, if anybody, yeah, we need to get it some
more people on the show. I want to get Dan
back on. I love talking, get back on the ship.
I'm gonna stop your pooper if you don't, no Mozola.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Anyway, what else we got to screw? Did I answer
that one because I kind of ramble and wonder drink coffee?

Speaker 6 (57:21):
Uh yes, yes, okay, good, okay, But I did Actually
I did have a question on that. Do you do
you think that that would be like a valid way
of trying to like introduce I don't know if you

(57:42):
were trying to like link two traits together or something
from from an individual to then like kind of reintroduce
it back into the into the line together.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Okay, I see taking it forward from there, like crossing
two sisters and reversing that together. We've seen a great
example of this with Bitter took my p ninety one
s onees. He found two sisters that were similar but
had some different traits and took it forward. That is
valid that like as far as trying to make something

(58:17):
new from that. But then if you're crossing something back
to the mother, then the selections that you have that
you pulled out of it, you would kind of be
moving it back a step. So it just in my brain,
I can't think of any situations where that would lead
to locking in any traits in reverse. When it comes

(58:40):
to reversing like that crossing two siblings and then using
the resulting progeny back to the mom, you should already
be selecting that first.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Round to look the most like the mom.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
I could see taking that one, reversing it to the
mom and taking it forward introducing a sibling that's not
quite the same.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
It just it throws it off. I don't know if
it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
But yeah, yeah, no that does.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
That does You're ty the you know? I guess the
whole intended goal is to move forward, like genealogically, in
a good direction, whatever you know that is for your
situation or what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
I think some of the biggest flaws in cannabis started
with Brothers Great and there's Cinderella ninety nine, and back
in the day, it was the idea was they had
this tup called Princess, and they were going to put Princess,
which was a clone into seed form into regular seed form.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
So they crossed Princess to something else I don't.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Remember what the fuck it was, and they made regular
seats and then they crossed it back to the mom
and made more seeds, crossed it back to the mom again,
and then make more seeds and crossing back to the
mom again, and then you have Cinderella ninety nine being
it's gonna be ninety nine percent like the mom.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
But that's without any implied selection.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
That's just with using basic bromath on how genetics should
work in their heads, and what turned out to be
was highly variant shit. Back crossing makes sense to do
once and then carry it forward. You don't want to
keep back crossing, back crossing, back, pussing back crossing because
you're inbreeding and unless you're doing a precise precision to

(01:00:30):
know what you're really doing, then you're just going to
end up with highly variant in bread stuff, which is
similar to what DJ Short did with blueberry, and why,
in my opinion, have lost all of the blueberry scent
and flavor and what is out there in seeds from
the stuff that that family uses.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I'll always remember that respect, that's right. I will always
remember you, Matt in the.

Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Discord Backgross singes for locking in and s one is
for locking in, and you move forward, one trading at
a time, one at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I think you can look into
it once. Uh but uh, gaming ask, where do you
get your autos? Chuck? So I've collected autos from basically
every auto sea Chucker make your want to be a
breader that you could think of over the last four

(01:01:25):
or five years. And I guess like I had a
year and a half two years ago, I started taking
uh some red autos and regulars and making my own
and now I'm just kind of running out those populations
and stuff. So yeah, but I mean you can anyone
can look them up. Everybody knows who the auto guys

(01:01:46):
and the people are. I'm not really here to plug
them or anything, so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Just to get plugged by them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Well I will say, I will say my fist thos
got some pretty good good autos. They're all right, the fisters,
mister fister. Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Okay, we have some other good questions screw today in
the discord. Anything else you want to swing in?

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Yes? Uh so, probably bored? Asked be best methods for
f twoing a single pack i e. Difference in a
one to one male to female single selection type situation,
or like you know, a more narrowed but but also
still kind of open you know, a couple of males,

(01:02:32):
couple of female type thing, or just an op.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Okay, So again it starts with the intent. What's your
intent with what you're doing? What is the plan in
your head? Are you looking for a single outstanding outline
female and what you're doing and taking that forward? Are
you trying to keep the line or you're taking the
line make it more uniform, or are you trying to
see what's deep in those genetics in those lines? And

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like I said, find an outlier or many outliers and
then take that forward to preserve a line for other people.
Preserving the line for other people so that everyone can
you know, pop those seeds and find everything in that line.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
That's a good case for open pollination, which means.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Every male, it's every female, combining the seeds diversities there bam.
Or you can even keep the seats segregated if you're
real anal like me and you know, mismash them up
for some people and sell it, but keep them segregated
so you can only go back to each one. That's
a good case for open pollination. I'm so angle about

(01:03:36):
uniformity and trying to move stuff forward that you know,
I mean, But they're like, or are are you, like
I said, uh, selecting an outstanding female for clone purposes?

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
You know, like, are you not even making seeds with it?

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
So yeah, I don't know, there's different You have to
have different intents or you have to know what you're.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Doing for the beginning to know what method you want
to use, because each method has a purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Really yeah, unless you are just a chucker and you're fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Yeah or yes you're not, you're not check you're.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Not fucking as it were, DNA genetics night out Greenhouse
Sea Company. But I've been with Greenhouse Sea Company since
ninety one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Hold on, hold on? Where is he is?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Hey issue? Me an from Greenhouse shids. I've traveled the
world collecting some of the greatest land last genetics that
you've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
There, they are getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Have you ever seen my Shawl Stein Hunters?

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
He sounds more ostrich.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah, we can travel the world and steer the genetics
because he sounds like Arnold. Shout out gold Cut, shout
out gold Cut.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
I love that dude.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I like him. Two, he's funny.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
Yeah, we just got him out some stuff for people
in Europe. Right see Europe, right seek Europe. I don't
know if it's I g pages to lux. People are
just hitting everyone. So yeah, but right Sea Co Europe.
Gold Cut. You to have a brand new batch there.
Oh before I forget, also have Google pay, Apple pay
and devid.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
On the main site now, so yes, let's believe it
at that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Oh yeah, back up, back up and ready cock strong,
rocking hard. I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
No, blue pill, he gets you one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
There, chuck blue pill.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
No, it's blue pill, yes, and wire.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I like what is that with the payments things.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, yeah, merchant account, that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Would be cool. Oh, people want some shirts petal and
them shirts. I'm out on the block pedal and shirts,
maam ship. I got a whole rushing crew out of
Detroit rocking my ship right now.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
He actually takes white t shirts, washes and resells them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
My wife makes the tide eyes and I I make well, well,
we'll take of another. We'll talk about another time.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, I was thinking about making a white runt shirt
just so I could rip it in half with the
Kim Dog shirt underneath. But I was like, I might
get in trouble. Uh you know if I do something
like that, So I don't know, they might not like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Lupus, it's good ship.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
I need to get I got that one. I need
to run that one. Dude, I don't let me get
it go in man. I've been loving with the other
the diesel stuff too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Especially.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
There's a reason that that I kept that cloone for
so many years. Everybody else dropped it because they, you know,
had her issues with it. It didn't take the time
to learn it for whatever reason. It wasn't Kim Dog.
It wasn't one of the numbers, was it Kim Dog
twenty one, Kim Dog eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
None of those Kim Kim be was it the kim beat.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
So yeah, I kept it because it was my favorite
at the best flavors for my tastes, had the most
skunky smells, So yeah, and yeah, I'm glad I did.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
People were learning about it all over again because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
That's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Let's see Hill, I'm getting Matt's Blueberry finally since got
a way of paint out Matt, which pastor I get
the inn Cross get it way you can if you want.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
If you want blue, blue, blue, blue blue.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Go for that blue shower, fam That's what I.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Was all in love with blue all over again because
there were many years it was really hard to love blue,
and I was one of those people that just gave
up for a while. Anything about the Blooper Scump, it's
the super scumk across the Blueberry and it has the
best of both worlds in it that Diesel had really
really had mouth coating traits, like we talked about with

(01:08:14):
sour with o G.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
It's it's very flavorful.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
The blue can dominate, but Diesel also holds its own
sometimes in there. But I think the Blue tends to
pop up more in the in the blooper Skunk and
Diesel will pop through.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Usually it'll look like diesel with more density.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
In the nuts because diesel is a little fluffier when
it's when it flowers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, what about for all the little young books out
there that want some sweet GMO butthole turbs? Do you
get that for them? To Matt Gmo?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
You know what I think? I just sold the last
pack of GMO Blue.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
On it Bush.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
No, I mean I have like for me, there is
just I didn't realize how few.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
I kept the last last the last of the last
of the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Last last pack spams.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Until I get broke. See they can have my last
patch is I got to go rework it. I don't know.
Like Domo is great. I thin it's a great smoke.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
I like the smells of it and stuff, but it's
pretty dominant for the smells and crossing it to Blueberry.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
I mean it's a great it's a great uh GMO
regular Sea line, but I don't really have any interest
in taking it for there's so much GMO shit out
there that I don't really care. I get too Yeah,
but it's a great line. I think it's a great cut.
But yeah, for me, there's so much out there. I
don't want to add.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
To what everybody else is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I'm just thinking of all the guys out there, Matt,
the young guys. Oh, Gmo, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Don't touch it, Gmo.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
How hard do you think would be to narrow the
looper skunk to a cheesel red line. Not very hard.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
Just get get pop a lot of seats. You'll know
the skunky one that comes out that isn't very blueberry,
and work in that direction.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
It's pretty easy like that. How big is glooper skunk outdoors?
It depends on how big your pots are.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
But it doesn't grow super super super tall ninky because
the blue bonnet in it. In the Blooper skunk was
very short squad Afghani, so it does shrinks from the stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Okay, screw.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
Is there anything else as far as good questions for breeding?

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
Yes, okay, So Dizzy Dubs asked how many gens would
it take to get to a true breeding line that
is a stable as food crops like corn. What would
be the best way to get there? Filial or selfing?

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
So again it depends on how narrow the line was
that the parent I came from was. I mean, that's
the first part of the equation. If you want to
do something like that, I would start with something like
a deep chunk, you know, and taking that something that
is already I mean it is it one uniform The

(01:11:16):
uniformity lies in its resin production. It's very dominant for
the smell, but there are other smells in it, and
it's very dominant looks wise, Okay, I would take something
like that that is mostly or pretty close to an
ivy l.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
As far as as cannabis goes.

Speaker 8 (01:11:34):
And self it self, it select really well when you
self it self it every time for that same look
at the same mom and then that that would be
the fastest way to get to uniformity like a quarantzin
crop or what have you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
Yeah, So do you think that even then it would
still be pretty difficult in the way that we since
food crops, we look at so many extra things in
uh in cannabis, like as far as selection, pressure, type
stuff and whatnot, instead of just like flavor and size

(01:12:15):
of kernels or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know with corn and those
kind of crops that that are very inbread and in uniform.
I don't know, like how how plastic their their genetics
are as far as like diversity goes, like how much
it relies on environment and feed changes all of that

(01:12:37):
about it, like all of its expression.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Can you turn it from a like in cannabis, like
we talked.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
About like the UK cheese, you can take it from
super fruity berry all the way to foot funk cheese
in the same fucking clone.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Like depending on.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
How you feed it, what kind of light source, humidity,
all that stuff comes into play.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
I don't know with a lot of other things how
how that comes into play with other crops.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
I grow other crops, but like I don't breed.

Speaker 5 (01:13:05):
Other crops, so I don't know how they'll really comes
into play with that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
There already been work and I don't know for how long.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Okay, okay, uh so this one is from chronic worm farmer.
Okay is renaming a strain for branding purposes ever justified?
Or should breeders respect the original lineage and give credit
i e. Popping the standout from GMO with different structure

(01:13:38):
in aroma? Should they market it under the new name,
or still give credit.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
I mean, I could understand, So there's a few tears.
I can understand if someone selects something wildly different out
of a line, like if it is someone releases an
F one they have most of the plants look a
certain way. His name serves something, and someone takes a
selection from it that's an outlier, totally different from anything

(01:14:05):
that they're seeing in anything else, and it's not pollen
contamination or whatever, and they want to market that clone
as a specific cut. That's cool, But at nope's point,
should you be cutting people out of the providance record
so you can show where these things came from and
how you got them, because that's important. Otherwise it's just
your word, and people's word isn't always good enough, Like,

(01:14:27):
for example, I use stuff for people I absolutely cannot stand,
but I've never cut them out of the breeding line,
Like if I use something from Swerve. There's an alien,
alien alien dog that I used for him. I gave
Swerve credit on that because he's I can't stand the
guy at all, but he did make those seeds. And

(01:14:52):
if I were to cut that part out and just fudget,
that fucks it up for anyone in the future when
they see all these alien tech type traits or whatever's
coming out of it, you want to know where those
came from.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
It's not hard to be honest.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
So yeah, I would hope people would keep the story
with everything so that they can have a good provenance
track record to go back and explain where each thing
came from, if they're really that serious about making seeds
that matter.

Speaker 6 (01:15:20):
Yeah, I think it goes back to the whole trying
to give as much information, as much data as possible.
You know, that's true and correct because if someone says
something weird pops out of there, and someone in the
future is trying to like, Hi, I wonder where that
came out of, you know, like those types of things

(01:15:41):
are important to have.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
Have you ever heard of one point five BX, two
point five BX three point five BX aside for res dog,
What do you think of those labels?

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
You know, I've never heard of that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
I don't know why someone would have a three point
five unless they're saying like it's he used a different
male each time, and it's the one point five version.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Of a b X one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
So the the you know, different males, uh, and back
across to the female. From that selection, I could see
a reason for having V one, V two, V three
like that, different versions of each thing one point five,
like a b X one point five. I don't know
how that would even happen, but I don't. I don't

(01:16:28):
remember any of that situation. Thank god, I didn't pay
a lot of attention to rest in his asshole.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Was is. I don't know what he's like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
People still thinks we're of invented SMV.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
That's right, But unfortunately they also think he had a
good coach's line.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Yeah, if you were there for it, you know what
else you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
Got from a butcher two nine to seven. When breeding
for THHC, can two parents combine to raise the THC?
Or is it that specific or is that specific trait
locked into whichever parent has a higher percentage?

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
No, I think you could absolutely have two things combined
and raise the TC percentage. I mean, that's how we've
got to where we've got. Aside from lab labs fudging
shit for higher numbers for their customers so that they
get the German customers and whatnot, it's obvious that THHC
percentage has been raised from where it was at like
eight percent, you know, in the in the eighties and nineties,

(01:17:39):
to where it's at now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Stories are a lot of that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
And fucking but yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
The Mallee it's like, you know, you take your take
your kid, go fish and to catch you the fish
this big and bad time. He's at that truck. It's
this big, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
He catches a tune of this big and then he
takes a picture of it and blows it up because
he's good at editing photos, and it looks that big.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Or you or you know, you take a picture of
your dongue and you try to make a little lot
bigger than two inches. It's hard, you know, downward upward lings.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
I love AI bro all right, I answer that one.
Screw half that answer, yeah, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:18:29):
I mean that's it's very obvious that you know, like, yes,
that is how you you know, do it is just
continually selecting for that trait that's you know, like everything
was him. But over a long course of time people
have just continually been like, oh, that one's a cool one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Yeah man, it's drugs.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, it doesn't go for just the higher
person that inche one because when you you know, like
Mendo p hybrids and ship just steamingly fall flat, you know,
it takes a couple more steps to be able to
actually pop something cool you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
Know is true.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
I'd still love to know the real story on Mendo Burbs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
I don't know. Hey, it's possible, guys. I found out
who my dad was today.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
That's true, Monday, find that fucking real story of Mendo Burbs.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
We'll get there. One day.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
In the mount, did a cross not sore if I
call it a back cross or in cross in a
F one male to female and I took a female
from the F one seat and hit it back to
the original boy I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Used to you can back cross to a male and
and it you can do that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
But again, like it's it's a lot harder to select
for male traits because it doesn't have the same resin
production and have the same scent production. You know, it's
really hard to select for any traits. I mean, unless
you're just going for structure as a trade, then I
mean you could do it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
A male b x one. I've done male b x one.
We did the Platinum Banana. It was the X one
x one kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
We did a few of them with that, trying to
find the best mail to use out of that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Who's any other good questions we've got?

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Who's still out there? Really, you know, working with rigs
and ship I just want to blank guys to many edibles.
I'll think of it here in a second. We're all fair,
My bad.

Speaker 6 (01:20:53):
I know that was That was all of the questions
that we had. Every all the other questions got gott
vert in, you know, like explanations and kind of getting
into the more complexities of the answers.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
I know. In cross I don't think I've covered in
cross yet. So in cross is a completely made up
term for cannabis. I like it because it denotes like
if you're let's say you have a selection from an
F one generation of line, and then you take someone
takes that to three, or you take it to F

(01:21:28):
three and you select a sibling.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
It's not from the same generation, but you cross them
to each other. It's not quite a back cross. It's
definitely not an F one.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
It's not a polyhybrid F one because it's still the
same genes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
That's when I would find that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
Appropriate to use the term in cross or ix and
be how we denote it short wise. There's also IBL
and I'm so anal about it drives me nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
I brought it up briefly.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
The deep jump thing in bread line refers to uniformity,
being uniform.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
For all trees, or maybe it's a single tree. I
don't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
I don't remember off the top of my head, but
you can't. I would probably say it's in bread line
for a single trade. But it's uniformity of a trade.
So if it's not uniform, it's not IBL said very
simply put. Some people confuse like, oh, it's an F
two it's inbread that's an inbread line. That's not what
it means. In bread line is a very specific term

(01:22:32):
from agriculture.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
So yeah, hell yeah, yeah, Chucky's booth adibles again and
getting fucked up. Yeah I am, I'm celebrated. It's uh.
I almost. This was probably the first time I almost
didn't show up for a show. I was thinking about
giving you got some kind of weird excuse. But that's like,

(01:22:57):
I gotta show up for the boys and the girls
in the chats, you know, right, I gotta do what
I gotta do. Sometimes, guys, when you're out there, you're
in the garden. It's sweating your balls to squash your
ass sweat and you want to like, dude, I want
to give up. I got too many plans. No, fuck that,
you dig deep. You know what I'm saying. Be stmoded, bro,
I'll get the fucking point. I don't know anyways.

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
Would you says CSI's lines or IBL I would he
pops so many seeds to know, uh, how truly uniform
a line is, like, so many more seeds than anybody
I know that I would denote to him on whether
he thinks the line is truly uniform for trade or

(01:23:41):
all trades or what's going on there. You fop so
many fucking seeds that it's ridiculous to even try to
say that any of this stuff wouldn't be if he
seed as it is because it's populay more or whatever
he's labeling than I have, and he knows what it means.
So yeah, I think that's my best answer for.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
I got a question, Yeah, why are you rocking that
red hair when you fucking rock with the blueberries? Why
when you're gonna go back blue?

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
I used to do it red and blue, but I
noticed it starting to get a little thin, starting in
and out a little bit, especially the last like six months.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
People making me lose my fucking hair.

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
So you all some dog, Yeah, I could use something probably,
but I know I stopped bleaching it because of that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
I'm just letting the ship brown come out because I was.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
Like, is it my hair thinning or is it because
I keep bleaching it or I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Another thing is my dad has raised me, him and
my brother, his biological kid, and his dad and everything else,
my grandfather, they're all going bald as fuck, and I'm
the only one with hair. And I was always like,
man like, I hope and I'll end up like them guys.
And then my dad, that my biological he's got full
set of hair. He's like six years old. Damn bro,

(01:25:01):
that's good ship.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Yeah right, No, my little brother's balding on top already.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
And my grandpa on that side of my dad's side,
it was a bald eight. But my my father has
full head of hair. So I'm hoping I get the
full head of hair.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Yeah. If they'll go bald, mad you shaving. If I
start going bald, you cant tell me. I'm gonna shave
my ship like bald ball, look like c ball, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Yeah, I got an ugly shaped head, so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
A little bit of hair like a peanut head. Bro,
I got a uglass dome as big as what the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Got mold and ship.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Yeah, that's the only way I ever got legs was there,
grow my hair out and covered that fucking uglyass head
I got.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Yeah, you're kind of slow.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
Actually, all you young guys, I'm starting to get a
little pissed because you're you're all better looking than me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
I don't like this, dude. I'm like mid thirties, don't
even work, and I got a six pack. Imaginets are amazing, dude,
know why? Yeah, dude, the Navy seal brought to American people.
What the hell?

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
That's really cool?

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
All right, So if that's any other questions.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Uh, In the chat, there was a guy I really
that said he had he went through the same thing
that I just went through in twenty twenty. But his mom,
uh kind of they just denied it a little bit.
But but hey, that's cool. I was reading it's up
to ten one to three percent of them all Americans
or Americans was like roughly ten million people. Your dad's

(01:26:37):
not your dad, and I'm sorry, but you'd probably look
into it. Twenties. Get that back from Child's you know
you ship, Yeah happens, It happens. Yeah, hell yeah, shout
out to the dads out there and mom's there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Yeah. I don't see anymore good questions in heres, so.

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
No, there is one there?

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Is the Space Queen?

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
Miss Jill has the same as the Space Queen by
Brothers Grim.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Brothers Grim didn't make Space Queen BCGA British company, British
Columbia Grows Association made Space Queen, which was Romulin C
ninety nine. They did use ninety nine from Brothers Grim,
Brothers Grim itself had nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
To do with that. She is using Space Dude.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
That subcol selected, which is a male from the Space Queen,
but they called Space Dude because it was a male.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
And yeah, same cut.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
That's been around for a long time now, I mean
probe twenty fucking years, so that cut still is being used.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
And yeah, but definitely not Brothers Grim, even though Brothers
Grim C. Ninety nine wasn't in it. C ninety nine
does have a really.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
Dank pineapple fino in its super pineapplely, I love that thing.
It's like pineapple tinling, amazing, amazing flavor, smells exactly like
a pineapple.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
But mostly ninety nine is like great fruity, a few meat.
I don't know, but there is good in it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
They're they're referring to I guess, uh Modern Brothers Graham
not not the old Company.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
I guess I'll be yeah for the grim Modern. I
don't want to be too.

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
Mean, but guy, okay, okay, okay, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
I'll leave with that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
I almost made it through a whole episode without an
that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Yea almost.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Well, whatever, fuck it, that's some interesting pictures out there.
Uh anyway, Rocking so.

Speaker 5 (01:29:01):
Robots made his head look like me. Uh shout out
Rocky Rocky on the blows. So we have our discord
where we hang out. I've got to put up a
poll this tonight for out of our list of movies
to watch Sunday, I'm gonna watch another movie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Last week, what was what would we choose? Lost Boys?

Speaker 6 (01:29:22):
Lost Boys?

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
This week, we'll see where we go. We'll see where
we go with this. We're traveling through the old ones
for the young generation to see the good ship. Maybe
blazing saddles. I don't know, maybe that's maybe that's not
kosher anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
It's funny we should have like all the old platoons
and full metal jacket, like a whole night and just
those options that we could choose from. Now. I love
the smell of napalm in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
I think I like still middle or full metal jacket,
pethers in populyps now, but a populos now is pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I love the cinematography and uh Apocalypse Now, the way
they shoot it, the helicopters coming in and just uh
it's yeah, not to glorify that stuff, but those movies
that grew up watching with my pops. So yeah, I
don't know, I love it. I love that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
I'm gonna try to also figure out how to broadcast
playing video games again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
I'm gonna try. Yeah, video game Kick.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
I got Gidiana Jones loaded. I haven't I want to
try it. It looks like far cry fuck it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah, Man, people tune into you because they like you.
You know, if people you always put it on an
off day that people can tune in to watch. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
I have a really bad mouth when I play video games, though,
I don't know if it would be arible.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
You let me on the show. Dirty dirty little redneck.
That's all you are, a dirty little red probably Matto.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Yeah, so yeah, we got the discord coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
We might do some waffles this weekend. I don't remember
if fights this weekend, there might be. I need to look.

Speaker 5 (01:31:14):
I know Cat's uh TETs are retires is going to
be fighting sometime this month. One of my favorite fighters
that most people don't know about, that little Japanese man
is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
So we're gonna be airing his fight for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:31:27):
We got, like I said, payment options up, payment options up,
and we got our merch site.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Cinek gear dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
If you can't get to it that way, uh, there's
a site called fourth Wall f O U R T
h W A l L and then site that and
type of breeders.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Syndicate in Google and you will end up there.

Speaker 5 (01:31:48):
Lots of merch available, all kinds of goodies and uh,
this is there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
I forgot something brick Flair Drew.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
I think that's it all right, fellas. I'll check you
guys later as.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Yeah, I'm an auto flower Kim dogg growing cannon, calcium cannon,
drinking satavag.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
There we go video game Mafia Mafia.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Well, yeah, if people want to tune into my little
video game podcast a Noboddy, he's been on vacation, so
we should have an episode up. And there are two
memory card mafia's on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
I'm never gonna get that right. Memory card Mafia memory
power I had to do video games.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Well, it's a memory card like a PlayStation, two memory cards,
you know, and then it's about memories that me and
my buddy have from that time. So it's a nostalgic
pack nineteen nineties to early two thousands podcasts. We're talking
about kind of shit fan not really WED related, but yeah,
that's it. Thanks for so good, Thank you. We're trying,

(01:32:54):
we're learning, we're not I'm not a podcast master and
I suck at technology, so we're just learning and work
out the kink. So maybe tune in later on when
I got it more worked out. That might be Betters.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Better watch out because Screw is going into different chat rooms.
He's finding y'all posers and he's pulling y'all bitch cards.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
So that's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
No, never he is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Is that what the can illuminati we are watching means
we got a infiltrator. Uh you know, dab holed spies everywhere. Careful,
careful where condoms. You don't know who you are sleeping with,
you might make a baby. And thirty five years later
he reaches out to you and says, daddy, where you been,
and he looks like you Hey, yeah, So there's a

(01:33:41):
glorious day, Matt.

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Glorious day. All right, All right, that's a wrap.

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