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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to reader Syndicate three point zero, the next evolution
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
That is Canaa.

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Speaker 3 (01:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:32):
Welcome to Breeder Syndicate. I am here with none other
than CSI Humboldt Inspecta himself, and for once it's just
us two A minasea moi if you will, as I
prefer it. The beard is looking nice, a little more
gray than the red that I'm counting, and it's looking good.

(01:54):
It's look at hella good. So to start off, what's
been keeping you so busy? Son? Oh? Shoot?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Mostly just these naps? I like, lots of naps, lots
of old man naps. Oh man, who knew?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, I mean you're not You're not known as much
of a napper. You're more of a hard worker. So
I would imagine a lot of hard.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Work in between the naps. Yeah, mostly work and then
a few few naps.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
All right, we'll get into some of what your hard
work's been going on. But of course there are so
many fucking questions that people want to have answered by you.
You know, you're a busy man. It's hard to answer
fucking nine hundred thousand emails a day, So it would
be good to get into that. But before we start,
is there anything you want to start off with? I

(02:46):
mean usually we start off with fucking where'd you start smoking?
When did you start blowing? Dudes? Well, you know all
these other things that we usually get into. But is
there anything you want to start off with?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm cool with some questions to warm up. How that
be all right?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Let's do some of that. Let's see the sour story.
Let's let's start there, the sour story, the sour you've had,
the sour you have, right, the sour that becomes sour.
Where are we at on the current sour situation in

(03:24):
terms of the sours that you've used over the years.
Where have you gone? Where have you settled on? Where
you're currently at?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I mean, back in you know, like four five o six,
I think I collected like five different sours. Yeah you
know I I I got one from uh oh, it
came from nice little chant of custody. It came from

(03:55):
this dude, uh, Tommy down in Southern Humble, and then
he had gotten it from I think Naboo and who
had gotten it from this guy in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
And more.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Mirror, Yeah, and Mirror had gotten it from this dude
who moved to Colorado from New York and like what
ninety eight ninety nine, and he brought the sour cut
with him, and so that was you know, I think
that was the one I held onto because it had

(04:37):
the best chain of custody dating back farthest.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, I also got one from seven o seven, which
was I swear it was the same one, you know, Okay,
but you know it looked the same. You know, I
don't know, Diesel and my palette just don't usually get along. Yeah,
so you know, but uh, seven o seven he got

(05:03):
his from Katsu Bluebird. Oh yeah, yeah, back in like
four or five somewhere around there. Got you maybe even
a little earlier. I'm not sure do we know Katsu's
sourcing on that sour I'm not sure where Katsu got
his really, Okay, but uh, I know I know when

(05:24):
Shaw gave me that cut, he gave me some flour. Yeah,
he had grown and it was the best sour diesel
I had ever smoked in my entire life. And I
never grew it near as good as he did that time,
and never have since.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
You've noted that like his grove it had some kind
of citrus lemonye am I am? I correct on that?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just super candied,
super candied. It was sour. It was definitely sour, but
it was it was like, yeah, more of almost a
sour lemonheads, but yes, like oh wee, and it was
strong as hell. He definitely grew it very unique uniquely.

(06:08):
So he grew it in this old humble soil called
power Flower. Yeah, gallon pots watered like once a week.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I'm so jealous too. Have never tried this flower power
or power flower or whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was some heavy duty soil.
I mean I used it back in the day too,
until the company went under, but you know, yeah, it's yeah,
but then you know, yeah, as as far as uh,

(06:47):
you know, I I held the the cut from uh mirror, Yeah,
up until like two thousand, maybe two thousand and eight,
I'm thinking something like that, And it was the cut
I shared around with the homies blah blah blah. But

(07:10):
then I took a little sabbatical aka my mother room
forgot to get watered, and I a couple of years
off from you know, handling my own mother room. And
then I, you know, I got the cut back from
one of the homies. Uh, I think I got it

(07:30):
from ELK got it back from Elks Slayer, But you know,
it's it's been a little while, but uh, it's it really.
I don't know that either I I grow like ship now,
which is very possible, or I mean because ever since

(07:50):
I really got it back, I've been on like gavidas
and epaps. Yeah, I haven't run under the original hps
know and metal highlid lights.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
So I don't know. Just like a lot of people say,
you know, something would missing with the sours, you know,
for for for quite some time. But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
And is this the sour that you are sure is
still the hour today? Is it this hour you still
used to day?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I still use it, Okay, yeah, I still use it,
you know. Uh. It definitely doesn't you know, strike me
as any of the others, like the what was that one?
The real Kim ninety one from Joe. Yeah, that was

(08:46):
that was like a diesel plant, but it was like
a little small producing sour.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, I was. I was cursed with the real KIM
ninety one for a bit.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
And yeah, that one was hilarious to me because I
kept that one in my room for a long time,
labeled as the real CEM ninety one just for shitting giggles.
It was not the real M ninety one.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
No. You know what I think made that a little
bit more confusing too for people was that there were
the pictures on ic mag in the KM thread that
HNL started when he was trying to figure out what
the fuck is going on with Kim ninety one, Cam Kem,
Doug in general. And then Joe Brand or not Joe
Brandam sorry, pee Bud put up a picture this big

(09:36):
Afghani looking thing that didn't look anything like the M
ninety one and caused a lot of confusion.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I think it was Joe Brand who put it up.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Was it Joe Brand?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah? I don't think pe Bud really grew much at
all back then.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so I wanted to Yeah,
I wanted to get that down. So the sour that
you tend to use. Now, if it's labeled south or
it just sour, it's gonna be the mirror sour.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I do use a.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Not so sour as well, which is either slightly different
or it's just been taken better care of over the years.
And they're extremely similar, but I swear there's there's a
little bit of a difference with the smell and the

(10:30):
chirps and all that.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
People seem to really like that one quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, I definitely use that one too,
but I try to, you know, differentiate, you know when
I do.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, always, Yeah. Here's here's another good one for you,
the Maui Maui Wouie story.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
So when you typically use a cut called the Maui
unless you label it something different, can you give us
a little bit of a backstory on that one.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, A lot of the Maui Wauie hybrids that I've
released are an old cut of malou Wawie that I
got from, you know, one of the one of my
local buddies, Buddies here and Humble and uh, you know,

(11:23):
it's a it's a decent is cut, you know, good terms,
you know. Well, we'll Setee the leading you know, purpose
up a little bit under the right conditions, and then
you know, of course, you know I've also used Naza's Maui. Yeah,

(11:44):
but I don't even know if I really like I
don't think I've ever even released released any of his.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
The Chicago Maui's.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I'm I mean, I'm sure I've
given you know, hybrids of that away for free, But
I lost I lost the the Maui I had, you know,
I lost that one a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Rip.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, but I still have seen stocking a bunch of
different hybrids of it. You know, I made s ones
of it, but I think I only got like four
hundred s ones, damn it. Yeah, not too many.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
So one thing I know everybody's gonna be asking about
is the Lemon Party. Not only just because it's the
most beautiful name ever you know, Google, it has a
great history, but what's the story behind the Lemon Party
and its relation possibly Lemon Tree or not.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I mean, so I got the Lemon Party clone from
my buddy Sebastian ah b a botanicals up there up
there around Portland, and he had originally gotten it as

(13:08):
Lemon tree. Yeah, And I got it from him as
lemon tree, and I grew it up and I was like, well,
this is not lemon tree, but it's pretty fantastic, yea.
I mean, I was like, you know, who's to argue with,
you know, you know, honestly, it smells and looks and

(13:30):
although above better than lemon tree. When the weird thing
when I got from him, the lemon party was just
super stout and sturdy. The lemon tree he gave me
was super stout and sturdy. But as soon as I
got it, it just it grew big. It grew like
a sour diesel, you know, just a big, you know, tall,

(13:54):
lanky plant, sturdy, but you know, yeah, you know all that,
and so you know, it definitely wasn't no lemonry. So
one of my helpers at the time, you know, with
a good sense of humor, he was taking clones, and
he he made those clones instead of lemonry asterisks, which

(14:14):
is what I would name something. And if you know,
I didn't think it was what it was, he just
renamed it lemon party. He had all kinds of good jokes,
and you know, I thought it was funny. So you know,
I just let it stick. But yeah, yeah, it's definitely
a good one. You know, under environmental stresses, it does

(14:38):
tend to hang a few shnuts there, But I mean
it makes good hybrids, you know it. Yeah, so many
good qualities. It's you know, it's it's one. I definitely like, do.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
You think it's related to any of the Oregon lemon
diesel that was going around back in the day.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
H No, I don't think so at all. Be a
botanical sebastian. He actually bought it from somebody in central California,
if memory serves, like Sacramento Fresno area. Yeah, And you know, originally,

(15:23):
you know, I saw that dude Straight Organics, I think
his name is. I saw his pictures of his you know,
supposedly Lemon Party S one or no, his lemon tree
S one, and it looks a lot like Lemon Party.
So we we we kind of collectively assumed that, you know,

(15:46):
it might have come from that, yeah, you know, and
I talked to Straight to Organics and he was like,
you know, it had to have been a lemon tree
S one blah blah blah blah blah that he had,
but he his his came from a bag seed but
you know, I mean it could be from there, it
could be from some somewhere else, who knows.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
You know, Yeah, it sounds like bag seats around lemon tree.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Right right right. Lemon tree is definitely a little harm
prone and definitely likes to get its freak going.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, the one we got was labeled lemonade first, before
the lemon tree. I don't know what that even means
in terms.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Of Shaw seven oh seven seed bank. He he gave
me a a cut that was labeled lemon lemonade that
he had bought off at one of the clubs down
there around the Bay. I think, yeah, and uh, you know,

(16:51):
I worked with that a bit, and I you know,
read a little while after that, I got lemon tree,
the legit cut and the lemon they'd cut. They were
almost identical, but they had like a little bit of
a different profile.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm like, well, you know, it could be you know,
you know, just I don't know, just you know, the
little differences you know, from different people growing them for
so long. But then uh, I ran, uh, hybrids of
the lemonade and the lemon tree right next to each other,
and the plants came out totally different, like the lemonades

(17:30):
were bigger, stronger, every single one of them. And then
the little lemon trees. Uh, they had big ones, but
then they had small ones, and it was almost like
that lemonade might have been an S one, and uh,
you know with S ones, oftentimes they breed way more uniform,

(17:54):
you know. Uh, and you know which whichever direction they've
you know, you've selected form the ones they breed towards
that if you select a lousy S one, you're gonna
breed lousy stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
But if you.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Set a really good S one, you're gonna breed some
pretty pretty stable, nice stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
It's like skipping through a few generations.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, shortcuts.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, just the shortcuts, short schnuts. So I thought this
would be an interesting topic. I don't know that we've
ever covered it fully. And it is the story of
the shittles skittles, and uh, you know, I know there's
a lot of controversy behind it, owning it, changing stories

(18:38):
on it. I just like to hear your if you've
had so much to work with it, you've got ones,
you will see it any different environments. What's your take
on it that you find to be maybe the most
true what you're seeing.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, I mean, uh, I think we both know. Skittles
was basically a clone that was you know, found in
a tray and then passed on to a handful of
different people. You know, there was a lot of people

(19:17):
in Southern Humble who got it from the same source,
and some of them fucking ran with it and made
up a story and pretended they bred it. Yeah, and
you know that wasn't true, you know, and other people

(19:39):
just you know, ran with the what you know, the
story they got and you know, just mystery clone in
a tray blah blah blah, and you know.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
With the labeled cookies. I think. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
So, I mean certain individuals definitely lived a whole lot
on that one.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah yeah, and it seems to have lived on with
the ad lib and.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah what and they definitely like talking shit on me, yeah,
for you know, they.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Can touch it on these nuts what so genetically speaking,
because you know, like you've worked with it more than anyone.
I have my theories, but my theories don't mean a
damn can you know next to someone who's actually run
it s one to run through the s ones. I'm
very interested to hear your take on it.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I mean growing up the s ones, it definitely looks
like it's got some cookies in it. You know, there's
a lot of you know, cookie type you know, plants
in those s ones. You know, when when uh, when
I you know, uh, I've read T one thousand or

(20:54):
Old Family Purple and then reverse the T one thousand.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Uh, that's kind of what Skittles reminds me of when
I made s ones of the T one thousand, because
there's you don't get urkle, you don't get triangle cush
in T one thousand s ones.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
You being both parents in there.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, And that's kind of what
you see with a Skittles. You're not gonna see like
something obviously, you know, girl Scouts or whatever, you know,
but there's gonna be some some different stuff in there.
Like the T one thousand s ones. You know, there
was some different stuff in those, Like you scratch your

(21:43):
head being like, what's this green feeno that doesn't look
like an og or an erkle? You know, yeah, smells
super strong, but not like either of them, you know,
And I think that's that's some of the stuff that's
you know, skittle seems inbred. I think skittles came from
somebody's you know, harm bag seed self down to itself

(22:06):
and you know, yeah, bag seed upon bag seed positively right.
The grapefruit part is the part that throws me off
the most. You know, I don't know. I mean, grapefruit
is a tough one because you know, there's grapefruits kind

(22:27):
of a generic term too, you know what I mean.
Most of the grapefruits I've seen didn't quite have that look.
They were more like Afghanish.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's very fair to say.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, I mean, are you are you thinking that just
because it had like a similar turt profile in there,
or what are you thinking?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah? I mean the sweet pink grapefruit cut really really
was like a muted version of that. And going back
to thinking about the dildos running aroun with the cut.
At the time, they were working heavy with Sweet two three,
quite heavy, and I'm wondering if, like, yeah, this cookie
cut that they got, maybe they crossed it to something

(23:11):
and then we're like we made something special, and you know,
that's where the credit taking came from, and so being
so adamant about it, but I'm not sure. I haven't
worked with skittles as much as you. So that's that's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Like they made a bunch of claims and then when
the romance, when when they were on the rocks, yeah
you know, good good old, good old tone. Yeah, he
outed freaking fields left right in the center. He was
like he didn't read shit, he just got the clone

(23:44):
from fucking you know. Yeah, you know, blah blah blah
blah blah. And so I mean when romances go south,
that's when all that truth.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah it is, and then you end up with Mary
and Barry from t GA B and something else, and yeah,
all kinds of funny shit can't happen.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right, so you know, but that's none of my affair.
I'm just like, yeah, it's a nice cut. You know
why I run with a bunch of bullshit and politics?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah yeah, it already had its own story. Why add
to it? But yeah, egos or egos? Yep, all right,
here's here's a here's a different kind of question. So
you've had f one Derb, you've had the Forum, you've
had thin Mints, you've had cherry pie.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh no, no, no, thin mint. I don't know mint, no,
and I don't know. I have my own theories on
thin mint Like.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, I do too, but like, okay, so cherry pie
probably no cherry pie cush though, bro. And but you've
been running through a lot of the different cookies lines.
What's what kind of ideas are you getting after running
through a lot of these bass cookie lines and going
through them and looking at them, which do you think
came first, the chicken or the cookie?

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Do you know what I mean? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
That's that's a tough one. That's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I I am looking to run some keeper clones from
the flow right at times, f one herb And I
mean I always I love running from seeds, so I
like to grow the seed plants. Yeah, it never gives

(25:22):
you a proper representation of the look, the smell, any
of that. And so you know, if you're not running
from clone, you really don't have a clue.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Mhm.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
But I love running seed plants. I like, I like
what a seed plant looks like. You know, how they
grow blah blah blah. You know, I don't like the
top of them. I don't like to manipulate them. I
just like to, you know, see what they'll do.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, so they the motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah. And you know on the flow ride at times
F one there was there was there was definitely, you know,
at least a plant that was extremely girl scout, yeah,
cookie smelling. It just didn't look like it.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
So what did it lean for towards in the looks?
Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
It was more towards the more towards the F one.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, weird looking motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, but it didn't it didn't. Uh, it wasn't a
banana factory like the F one that was. That was
the weird thing. The F one, you know, it is
nothing but bananas, and yet you you hybridize it, and
the their herm potential is extremely low. I mean there

(26:47):
might be a few bananas on a couple, but that's it. Yeah,
not not the hundreds that are on the Mama.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I wonder if that's just a something like it again,
bag seat to bag seat, a bag seat, a bag
seat going in the wrong direction. I'm kind of trait
like that. I just always my brain always goes back
to DJ Short and the Blueberry and how quickly you
can inbreed and then single outcross it completely changes up

(27:16):
how it behaves.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I mean I've grown, uh you know, land races that
are just banana factories, you know. Yeah, I mean that's
something to think on a lot of stuff. If it's
a land race and you're bringing indoors where it's never
been before. Yeah, I mean, just because it was stable,

(27:38):
stable af outside doesn't mean it's it's gonna get along
with your indoors. Yeah, Like the Sterling skunk. I just
had somebody asking me just just the other day. You know,
I know, you say, you know it's not meant for indoors,
but I'm like, well, you know, you can, man who

(28:01):
outdoors sterling stable as hell?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Mean I didn't see much of any harm, but indoors
it's one of the worst herms I've ever come across.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah that I wonder if that's something
that can ever be worked out, or if it would
take just a lot of luck.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
It just needs to be outcrossed the purple punch and
will be straight.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah. Yeah, they ibout some apple. I mean fred or
as one.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Oh no, no, no, no, let's not do that one that's
doubling down. Oh yeah, I think we could do better.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
So I have I have a question I've never gotten
an answer to and only because I've never run the
flow right at og run the fifty six to fifty
six day cut. What do you see the difference between
the flow right at og and the fifty six day
og be Oh.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
I mean, they're just in my opinion there, they're more
likely both o G cush s one type. You know,
you can theorize all day, you know one or the
other is an original. I mean, could be, you know,
I don't know. I haven't s one either of them

(29:25):
to see what pops up, so you know, I can't
speak on it. The the the flow rider, it's definitely
one of the more shorter, stockier, chunkier oh G types
to me.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
The type mm hmm, like the short stocky.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, don't don't get me wrong, No, no, it's definitely
not a hybrid type. But comparatively to the head benefits
they head been fifty six. That thing's through the roof.
That thing you know is for me at least it's

(30:07):
it's a couple of feet taller link here, more popcorn buds,
more small smaller nugs. Yeah, it's kind of like Loopa's headband,
but maybe more so, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
So all right, here's the one for you Lupus headband
ninety one hybrid to og or just og.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I think it's just an og, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Nog that cannibalizes itself.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Like shit, It hasn't really done it any more so
than any other ogs that I've noticed.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I don't know into into intradest.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I mean the ogs do do a little bit of
canniblizing for sure, Yeah, for sure, but nothing like that
ninety one. That ninety one she's she gets violent with herself.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah she does, she does. She's self abusive. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I just ran out of thirty six ninety one s
ones and man, the rest of the room was looking
good and they were like, oh, let's eat ourselves.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Were most of the ninety ones like that? Or were
there any that weren't doing that trade?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know? Uh, there's definitely a small population that doesn't
do it as much. And I think it's that little
hash plant. Yeah, but weirdo, weirdo one that one doesn't.
I don't think that one does it as much as
the main one. But that's like the ten percent or

(31:37):
five percent or whatever.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, you know, so you need to run a good
population before you even run into that shita or luck.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
But I mean the majority of chem ninety one s ones. Yeah,
they're just like their mother. They they eat themselves up.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, itself lesbian. All right, So Lebanese versus the other
real seed company stuff I have written down here. So
the Lebanese you're running, let's talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Uh. I mean it's definitely a cool CBD type of line,
you know, land Race blah blah blah. I mean, you know,
which is why I wanted to, you know, look into
the real sea companies Lebanese see how similar they are.

(32:26):
One thing I liked about the Willie G Lebanese is
it's kind of a mutant plant. I mean there's there's
a lot of mutations in it, and uh, you know,
I think with a little bit of, ah, just a

(32:49):
little bit of work, it could be like a full
on mutant line.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Like freak Show type mutant or it's.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
It's it's it's. It's a totally different mutant than any
other mutants I've grown. Interesting, it doesn't have leaf pedioals.
It just throws out all the leaf blades straight from
the stem. Interesting in certain ones. So yeah, yeah, but uh,

(33:17):
what I ran out the finished product on those individuals
was not something to be desired.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
There was one thing we were talking about the other day,
and I think it's worth mentioning, and that would be
the Irene t K A B C. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
tell tell me some more about that.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I mean, I mean I just ran out the the
Irene across to the t K A B C. Yeah three,
and you know, uh, they're all it's like running a
bunch of Irene s ones, you basically see, you know,
just all those you know, same s one uh, you

(34:02):
know types popping up in this. It's almost like there's
nothing been hybridized with it. Yeah, you know, uh and uh, anyways,
you know there's there's there's definitely been some uh, some
plants that are very very nice smoke, yeah, I bet,

(34:23):
and the sand outs in there yeah, and smell amazing.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
So yeah, well see that's what you get when you
use a certain special thing to reverse irene. That time
he listened and finally got it done. Wait what oh
yeah never? Oh yeah, anyways, Uh so tell I I'm
most interested in the Kiwi farm because I've never had
no goddamn Kiwi berries. I went and grabbed kumquats thinking

(34:49):
that they were fucking Kiwi berries. Still have not experienced them.
Tell me a little bit about your Kiwi farm, because
I know a lot of guys growing lots of different plants,
and they're gonna be all right.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
The Kiwi berries or the hardy hardy Kiwi's great Kiwis,
whatever you want to call them. Yeah, I think I've
got a I don't know, at least twenty twenty or
thirty different different, different, different types. Yeah, and this year

(35:21):
is the first year I'm getting fruit, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
So are they testicle size or are we talking bigger
than average testical size? Where are we looking?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
They're like grapes. I don't know. I don't get a testicles, but.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
So big man testicle size?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Then? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, but are they grapy? Are they? Can you explain
the flavor on these things?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh? You know me, I'm terrible.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
That's why I'm forcing you to do it.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I mean, if you read about them, some people say
they're like strawberry, But with I don't know, I'm terrible.
They taste good to me. That counts except the costco
ones those ones did.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, I think that's the only things the only place
I could even find them if I.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Tried, right, right?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, Okay, yeah, I mean I have some other stuff.
I'm going to get into a little bit and make
everyone watch us have the debate on Super Skunk and
o G. But first I want to get into some
other questions that people have for you, because they they've
got pretty excited when they found out you were going
to be here Apple Hills Grow and ask what is

(36:33):
the rarest thing you have ever gotten to a reverse?
And I guess rarest is up to your own discretion.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I mean I was pretty stoked to get Purple Indico
to reverse. Yeah. I think I tried reversing her three
times and got a little bit of seed the first time,
got a couple of hundred seeds the second time, and finally,

(37:02):
you know, got a just a solid reversal. So I was,
I was, you know, stoked with the you know, getting
Purple Indica. And I think she's one of the oldest
clones we have, if not the oldest.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Maybe, I mean, are you allowed to sell these s ones?
Are they allowed to by anyone else earth without some grind?

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
No, No, Doc hasn't gotten upset or anything. He's he's chill,
you know.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, that's important.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's one of those things
that it's it's definitely rare. But you know, most people,
you know, unless they really know what they're growing out,
most people really don't want the purple indicate clone s ones.
These are you know, old school, just you know, real

(37:56):
close to land race, if not land Race, you know
Indica and eh, you know, yeah, they're very very cool plants,
very unique, but yeah, they're not for everybody. They're not polished.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, I mean, an old school clon like that. You
have to know what you're getting into. It's like trying
to jump into land races and think you can grow
them indoors and see exactly like what a Malawi gold
is under your LEDs, right right, Yeah, you gotta have
some passion for it.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
But maybe Old Betsy would be one that I've tried
to reverse and zero pollen, and she'd be one i'd
love to get reversed. But and that's the weird thing too,
because you know, if you grow Old Betsy indoors outdoors,

(38:48):
she's pretty much fine. But if you grow indoors, she'll
throw a bunch of bananas towards the end. Yeah, and
yet she won't reverse, she won't produce pollen.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
So would you call her a quick triggering plant?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, she's pretty quick. She's like, you know, eight eight,
eight and a half weeks indoors. I always used to
take her into September at the latest, early early October
outside and she'd be done done, you know, versus you
know some plants that you take early because you have to.

(39:24):
She she was one you take early because she was done.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Comparison Old Betsy, Electric Boogaloo dog shit.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
H as far as terms expression any of that, Hi,
is there any any kind of similarities or are they
just very different plants?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Extremely different? Yeah, far different. Although interestingly, one plant that
I would compare slightly to Old Bat was the n
L five number eight that I actually reversed and made
the feminize seeds with.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
That plant had big, chunky, frosty nugs just like Betsy. Yeah,
and it had a real complex you know, smell and flavor.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Kind of you Yeah, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
It was.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
It was big and beefy, not as not as big
and beefy as Betsy. Yeah, but it definitely, uh like,
if I wanted to imagine, I could definitely imagine that,
you know, something like that cross to something else equal
Old Betsy, you know, and this is.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
The the the plant, the all An All five eight
was the one that was used in all the FeMn
Yes right, yeah, yeah, you know people were gonna ask
about that. Yeah, we have CCC asking saw he did
Christmas bud in deep chunk crosses to the Burmese. Are
the f Ones? Do they all pretty much have tremendous

(41:05):
hybrid vigor? Was it a few selected plants, one male
or more open pollination?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Okay, that's a lot of questions. Yeah, it is, get
ready f ones. They're definitely f ones. I have not
grown the progeny out on those. I have only giving
given uh those hybrids out to a handful of people,

(41:35):
you know, people I thought might appreciate them. Yeah, they
are definitely on my short list of stuff I really
want to grow and you know check out because I mean,
you got twenty four weeks sativa across the short stumpy Indicas.
I mean, both DC and Christmas are inbred as you

(41:56):
can get, and the Burmese is just as inbread. So
I mean, uhh, I think both of them could potentially
have some pretty pretty awesome stuff in them, you know.
Uh in the f Ones maybe maybe even more so
in the f two s. But uh yeah, and let's see,

(42:18):
uh the Christmas was I think two on that one.
It was two select male plants, like my biggest, burliest,
stinkiest Christmas males across to the Burmese. And then I

(42:38):
think I had half a dozen Burmese females, my favorite
Burmese females out of you know, a hundred pop. And
then the same thing with the deep chunk, you know,
half a dozen or so of of my favorite Burmese females.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
And and uh, you did deep jump Burmese. I gotta
I have a long love for deep Jump.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
That was a fucking tricky one too, because so you know,
your your Burmese females don't start flowering for six weeks.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, and when you're.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
You know, doing these runs, you know six weeks, you're
like supposed to be like almost getting towards done. And
so I actually had to pollinate those plants, you know,
and then you know a few weeks later, I had
to move them into a different room just to finish

(43:39):
for another month, because you know, everything else is done
and there are two weeks into being seated. It's like fun,
you guys suck, but uh, the deep chunks. I I
only had a couple of few I think slack males
as well. So and those were selected from you know,

(44:03):
I think eighty something eighty something deep chunk plants. Yeah,
there there are some pretty strong males.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Fucking purples, bro fucking purples.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Hey, at least the Christmas no purple.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
No purple in the saved it then Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey, Tom, I got some Christmas time
to Burma for you.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
There you go. I could probably be into that ship too,
especially with the Burmese. Do you have any other Burmese,
Panama red or Mango bees crosses in the works.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I mean, eventually, you know, I definitely want to. I
don't know. I don't know the Panama Panama Burmese. Uh,
I think it could be cool. The mango and long
flowering bastard. It's not as long. It's it's only like

(44:56):
a sixteen ish weaker the ango that that's just gonna
like double up on the forever time.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, yeah, I can imagine, you know. Yeah, you have
a few hairs here and there and a few little
yeah bracts, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Maybe maybe although a budgellarro he's he's rocking those string
of pearls. Yeah, are looking tight?

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah yeah, I've had a few string of pearl different
types of plants, right. Alaskan ice from Greenhouse Seeds was
one of those, oddly enough, being a white widow haze.
It was just all bracts. And then the quays, which
was the what do they call that one grinspoon? They
asked one the quays and made the grinspoons from it.

(45:43):
Really was pretty cool. Yeah, all right, here's one. Pez
asked what was one cut that got away that you
wish you still had?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Oh? Well, yeah, the urine.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
But the urine cut your ry.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Uh nah. Yeah, I always say you're right because that
one was so good. I don't know, I still want
to remake it.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
But h what do you think you would have to
use to remake it?

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Uh? You know, I found some stuff that was like
kind of similar and pine tarcush, and then I think
if you had the right skunky indica, it definitely had that,
you know, that skunky type of thing to it. It
was like skunk pine it just and then it had

(46:41):
a flower on it, like halfway between a bubba cush and.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
An o g Oh. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
But then again, you know, you know, I think you
could make something like that with just the right Indica,
with you know, the right Steva.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah you know, yeah, I mean yeah, remember you pointing
that out with the Haese cross to something and.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, with the posy from Tom crossed a deep chunk.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, yes, that's right.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
They look like og cush type plants, but purple, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, So, hmm, what is what is one cut you've
always wanted to have and experience but could never get
a hold of.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Asian fantasy?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah right, I know That's what I was kind of
thinking down that road, the Asian fantasy. Is it as
good as it as it was claimed to be or not?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Right?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I guess we'll never know.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I don't know. Uh that almost, I don't know. That
almost seems like a fictional cut.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah right. I would have usually gone with HP thirteen,
but you've convinced me that there's no need to chase
just the clone yeah avergization.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think, uh, I think there's something to
HB thirteen, something really unique. I just think it needs
to be really really worked.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I still have clones of that, that one that never flowered.
Oh really, Yeah, I still have a couple of clones.
All right, it looks just like just like the mother
plant too.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
That's so weird.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, I kind of want to I don't know, maybe
I should plant outdoors and watch it go for a year,
see what to do? Yeah, see how long it goes.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Here's here's one. You know, there's a lot of hash makers,
obviously in our scene that always want to know what
are the best hashmakers you have? And I don't make hash,
so I usually tell people like, I don't make fucking hash.
I don't know, but can you name some of your
strains that would be good for hashmakers?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I mean, I'm the same way. I'm sure I've got
plenty of great ones. But you know, I just I
just grow plants, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not big on the
hash making.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, and you know, there's nothing wrong with it. I
I can definitely appreciate. It's just oh for sure, I
just suck in it myself. There's only so many hours
in the day, too.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yes, you got to pick what you want to do.
Seems like inspector uses irene a lot great plant or
just a great breeder. Also as a master grower, which
you are a master grower? What is your preferred type
of bed and feeding style.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I mean I love Irene, yeah, you know, you know,
ever since like two thousand and eight when I ran
her outdoors. You know, I've loved that plant and she
definitely has some amazing stuff in her so, you know,
and you know she breeds cool stuff too, you know.

(50:06):
So and then as far as uh, growing style, yeah,
I mean my ideal is just uh, you know, four
by four beds with some kind of inert cocoa pete
or pete you know, perlite medium, then you know, composts,

(50:29):
earthworm castings, a bunch of different uh you know, organic amendments, fish, fishbone,
cal you know, the usuals. And then uh, ideally I'd
love to just you know, load them up and not
have to touch them until the flowers are done, which

(50:50):
you know, it's it's a little tricky sometimes you kind
of want to. You have to load them up just
right so you don't run out a nutrient. It's like
four before flower flowers done.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, do you amend again? In that case?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I should. To be completely fair, I didn't get a
whole lot of pictures from my latest Kim Kim one
Kim d Kim four run. Yeah, because I had just
uh you know, redone my beds, brand new soil less
you know, just pro mix. But then tons of composts

(51:29):
mixed in earth thrown castings, X Y and Z loaded
them up. The plants grew great. The crop was one
healthy all the way up until about week six, and
then they started yellowing, which would be perfect if it
was like an eight week run. But the kem D's
were done about ten weeks, and of course we're kind

(51:52):
of a little closer to eleven, and the kim one's
were like twelve weeks and they all ran out of
way too much nutrition. I bet I mean to be photogenetic.
The flower is, you know, excellent, but yeah, the look
the look of the finished flowers.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah yeah, mu's rough. Yeah, not much green left on
those plants. Were you running them for seed or were
you running them for a flower? Oh?

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Just flower, just flower. Yeah, I was just I ran
out like one hundred km DS ones.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
I'll still smut that shit, though, bro. You can just
say yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, no, I got you.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I did like seventy two K four US ones and uh,
I think twenty four chem one s ones and then
thirty six of the ninety ones, just you know, get
a good idea of Yeah, how they all look all
side by side.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Here's a good question that's right up your alley. How
long have you known underrated Josh? I love his music
and the uppercut you guys created together. If nobody else
says this, bro rest in peace, Garth.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Right right. I mean I think I've known uh, Josh
and Garth for probably twenty five years, maybe maybe a
little longer. Yeah, but you know, definitely uh uh, you know,

(53:22):
started hanging out more and you know, working together over
the last five five six years.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah, m hm, yeah, yeah, do you have any plans
to do on any do anymore collapse in the future.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Oh, I'm sure we will. I'm sure we will. I mean,
you know, Josh, Josh definitely took some time off after
after Garth Garth passed, you know, uh, and you know,
obviously he wasn't really filling the music, you know, wasn't
in that vibe. Yeah, but he's getting back into it,

(53:59):
and you know, I'm I'm always open to you know,
or or work with him some more.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
So that's pretty cool. I like that. Yeah, yeah, all right,
what's your favorite Purple Clone motherfucker. Which one is it?
And why haven't you grown like the fucking what's that
purple one I keep trying to push on you from Switzerland?
Not it's not it's a herd beer, it's a other

(54:26):
one teaching.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
And what's your favor Why are you trying to get
me to grow this hemp?

Speaker 3 (54:35):
I want you to grow purple hemp. God damn it.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I'm growing plenty of hemp.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
But what's your favorite purple clone? You know, like the
Mendo p ercle, purple Indica, et cetera. Where where where
where does it lie? Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
I mean, favorites is a tough one. I absolutely love
purple Indica. I love Mendo purple, I love Rkle.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
You do love purple ham? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
No, I mean uh, I love different aspects of all
of them, you know. I mean I think purple Indica
is my favorite heirloom purple. You know, it's not the
most It doesn't have like that core purple to it.
It's more of like a purple upper plant, a purple leaf,
early purple, unique smell, and just you know, a really

(55:29):
cool plant overall. Urkle, I mean, Doc and I have
talked a bit about this over the years, and you know,
there's still the possibility that Erkle is a purple Indica hybrid.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah, you know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
It could be possible. I don't know, and maybe even
with like Skunk number one, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, something like that. I could see that, I definitely see.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah. So, I mean I've I've made some of those hybrids,
I just haven't grown them out yet. Skunk one Erkle
well to choose.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
To p I oh yeah, yeah so.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
And then of course, you know, Mendo Purple is one
of the most you know, unique things I've ever you know,
doubled into.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
So I've got quite.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
A story with it too. I think that's great. Yeah. So,
you know, Bitter Bitter wanted to send in some questions
to you, yeah, friend, and one of them, I'm trying
to read it out Purple Urkle one O three, Mendo
Purple fifty four, Bubba one. I think it was really
want to know how that one is different than the

(56:42):
bomb threat?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Oh the yeah, man, bomb threat. Bombs aren't grows like
special education. Yes, uh, she don't know how to grow. Yeah,
she's short, she's stumpy. Uh, she doesn't make seed. Yeah

(57:05):
she you know, you grow, right though, she tastes amazing
high as high is great. The uh it's like a
big like a big bubba. Yeah, it grows way better
in its mom, frosty as hell, purples up smells like

(57:31):
the best version of its mom. It's like one of
those things where one thing I've always realized about s
ones is you can, like, if you grow a plant
you know, a hundred times and you're like this one
time I nailed it. It smelled so amazing, way different
than it normally smells. Yeah, well, you can find plants

(57:53):
in the s ones that are like a shortcut to
that best smell ever. Yes, and they always smell like
that best smell ever.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
You know, so I've seen that, you know pretty much
most of the s ones I've ever run. You can.
But then you can also be like remember that time
I grew that, Like shit, Yeah, I've found a bunch
of those plants. You know, you get the good with
the bad.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Purple rcle one O three S two. Curious that how
that reversal went. Was it harder than the S one
pallen viability, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Oh Yeah, yeah, it took me three times to three
or four times to actually get a decent you know,
pollination or a decent pollen off of that one, and
it still wasn't good. It was still probably maybe ten
of a successful run. And the S two plants they're

(58:58):
they're uh, they're like the sister sister plants. Yeah, they
they're not something you want to grow commercially or even
you know, headstash. What they are S two plants are

(59:19):
for breeding. So you grow a bunch of those out,
you find the best, best you know, keepers out of
that bunch, and then you cross them to something else
that has been extremely inbred, whether that's a regline that's
just been in bread to hell or another you know,
something that's been you know S one, S two and

(59:42):
in bred to hell. None of these plants are going
to be good for growing, But you cross those together,
that's when you get you know, true F one vigor
and just uniform hybrid hybrids.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yah, so have dominance meat dominance. Yeah, yeah, that makes
sense to me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
But yeah, here's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
A good one. The train wreck that you have is
it the same as the arcaded train wreck from Pack? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
They look they look pretty much the same.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Yeah, I uh, there's a bitter question.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, I may have lost the train wreck for the
same reason I'm almost always losing the train wreck I
have and that. Yeah, they they are hard to keep
in stasis. They they will flower out on you. And

(01:00:46):
you know, if they run on nitrogen, run out of
root space, blah blah blah, they flower out on you
and then it takes forever to get them back into
edge and healthy and happy and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Yeah, yeah, that can be with motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Old Betsy's like that too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yeah, yeah, what's next for pirates of the Emerald fucking Triangle?
We all want to know that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
I mean, uh, I've been working on that, h on
refining the Pakistani statral a purple line. Yeah, just just
finished up around that. And actually I think I'm jumping
into I made some selections out of those, and then, uh,

(01:01:35):
I think I'm going to be jumping into a select
round of sterling skunk and really looking for the most
stable individuals I can find and the actual just you know,
make your eyes water, you know types. So I think
I'm gonna just you know, tract like two hundred maybe

(01:01:59):
three hundred, and then just really try to sort through
and find find some that, you know, we'll be worth
working with and moving forward with. And also one of
the things that I've been doing lately is instead of
just doing open pollinations to preserve stuff, I'm doing more

(01:02:20):
selected you know things and breathing towards something for me,
you know, like you know, I mean, open pollinations are
great for preservation and giving people you know, large quantities
of the seed too, you know, sort through and through
out themselves and make their selections.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
But it's like a rewind for you though, if that's
what you're left with, and now you're rewinding and having
to start from scratch right right, whereas you don't necessarily
need to if you have some direction you want to work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yeah, And like with the Pakistani purples or pushes or
Chatrial cushes, you know, last time I made him, I
made open pollination, and then I also made a directionally
bred you know, selected males, selected females, And that's what
I started with this time, those selected ones, which is

(01:03:14):
stuff I've I've never even you know, sold or anything.
It's just you know, stuff that got put away in
the fridge and you know, blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Yeah, you've got too much stuff in the fridge going
blah blah blah, waiting to get out there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, true, true, but you know a lot of it.
You know, most pope people won't even be interested in growing,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
You never know. We got a whole lot of fucking
people in our discord that beg for your fucking random
random They want to see that you may have made
over time, and there is a niche crowd of people
starting to form that are into that stuff. So yeah, never,
of course, Bitter wanted to get in why malibou rum

(01:03:56):
while you're drinking that that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
That was just because I didn't want to get too
smashed too early.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Yeah, that's that's what it was. That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
And I got that sweet tooth.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Yes, yeah, yeah, you got to get the sweet tooth.
When will you start accepting credit cards or crypto? The
number one question I get asked? Number one?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Uh yeah, good quest, question question. Let me let me
get back to you, and I can barely use a computer.
Come on, y'all give me Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
This is true, this is true. Let's see, I'm trying
to go through and make sure that there's a bunch
that we've already covered that the way wish you still
had this is a lot of the same stuff. Are
there purple racle b X ones more vigorous growing than
the S ones? Do you find that they have a

(01:04:56):
nice representation of original purple racle? Can we get some
info on your apple as well?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Wait, which which b X one?

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Though? I guess that depends which b X ones have
you made?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Well, I've done the Pakistanisha troll uh Perkle b X
one okay, per Cole packstand. Yeah, but then I've also
made feminized b X ones, so you know, and I've

(01:05:29):
also made yeah, yeah, I've made b X ones back
and forth, different directions. Femini, Yeah, the the the Pakistanish trolls.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
There's still a bit of dominance, you know, with with
the the Pakistani in there.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
You know, anytime you you're out crossing to something, you know,
you you you have you have that you know, other
other you know, set of jeans up in there, So
you always got to play with that. With the feminized
back cross ones though, I mean, uh, those plants came

(01:06:16):
out pretty nice, like big chunky arkles. So yeah, but
I imagine you know, they were talking about the regular
the regular seeds, but but.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
How close are the g d P S ones to
any of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
The GDP is just fall fallen with the rest of
the you know the rest of the arkle arkle types.
There wasn't you know, any type of huge Yeah, there
wasn't really any type of huge variation like difference. I
I only ran like a dozen or so of those uh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
No MUDs in there, huh no big buds in there, nod.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
I ran them. I ran GDP S ones like a
dozen those right next to a dozen of the RCLE
S two s, the one O three s ones and
I mean the the one O three is were definitely
uh more consistent, more quality. But you know, the group
of plants you could have mistaken, you know that whole

(01:07:31):
half a bed for you know all all like directly directly, Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Everyone, this is Matthew. I just wanted to point out.
You can go to buy me a coffee dot com
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We also have our breachers Dash Syndicate, dot dash shop,
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of the old shirts that I've reworked from the seventies

(01:07:58):
to eighties. I didn't just directly rip anything off. I
went through, I re edited, I did different modern takes
on all this stuff. Where's mugs, there's hoodies, there's all
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to support us buy me a Coffee dot com for slash.

(01:08:20):
Matthew right, that's our new Patreon. That's how you get
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withn R, you'll get what we're talking about. It's how
we make it work. The store is slowing down a
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(01:08:42):
you'll get twenty five discount, twenty five percent discount off
all Riot Seeds gear that includes even our spray. So yeah,
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the merch. I'm really stoked on the merch too, high
quality stuff. We have soft shirts, we have heavyweight shirts,
we have soft hoodies, hats, stickers, what have you, so, yeah,

(01:09:05):
go check it out. I know you guys hate commercials.
I hate commercials too. I don't really give a fuck.
Everybody else does commercials.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Why can't I related? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Yeah, okay, pineapple time. Let's get into the pineapple.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Pineapple you know. Uh that's just an old uh you know,
outdoor outdoor clone.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
How old are we talking?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I don't know. I don't know. I know, uh, you know,
buddies like smoking, my brothers, they were all all running
the pineapple in Trinity and Mendo back I don't know,
fifteen years ago, ten years ten, twelve, fifteen years ago.

(01:09:54):
It was real popular back then, just giant outdoor plants,
you know, late late season. I think they finished in
like November, but just nice pineapple trips on huge sativa
type you know plants. Yeah, and then uh, I know
seven h seven he's running a bunch too. But uh

(01:10:18):
as far as like history history on it, uh, you know,
I really haven't you know heard anything? Yeah, you know
that dates it back to anything?

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Could it be seen ninety nine? Could it be seen
ninety nine?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
No, not at all, not No, I grew see ninety
nine back in oh flour. I'm thinking and I mean
set and I was cool, you know, just super pineapplely,
super frosty, but you know, just an average sized plant.
This pineapple outgrow you know, ninety percent of everything in

(01:11:00):
your room, you know, and outdoors it turns into you know,
fifteen by fifteen foot trees.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Jesus Christ. So don't be growing it if you have
small fences. No no, no, no no no. Yeah, all right,
you're ready for you ready for the the Kim Dog,
the Kim Dog showdown, but the Kim Dogs showdown, throw down.
But this is a conversation that we have had, I

(01:11:28):
would say a good hundred times at least. So we
got Kim ninety one. Yeah, right, we've got Kim ninety one.
We're not sure what Kim ninety one is other than
some type of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Afghani afghany hybrid. Definitely Afghany sativa hybrid.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Okay, so definitely Afghany sativa hybrid of sorts. Then we
got Kim dog d short, shorter, squatter, not as lanky. Right,
what else? What else falls in the D range? Kim sis?
Sure would that be considered? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
That the sister I had was you know, very very
similar to the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
D Okay, interesting similar smells too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Come on, you're you're talking to this thing?

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah, the bad breath fucking stint smell. Yeah, yes, all right,
now we get to the Kim. We'll go to KIM
four first. What was your first inkling on KIM four?
Maybe not being directly related to KIM ninety one as
far as being.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
The first time I grew up back in two thousand
and six, I think, and those I think I made
that all kinds of clear on icy mag like, I
don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah, it's a it's a longer flowering, bigger flower, big
cola is different sets.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
The real thing was, I grew with the Kim one
through four all all together, and they all all all
four of those, they were clearly sisters, right, you know,
you could make a mistake, you know, the majority of them,
if not all of them, as you know, just if

(01:13:19):
you make them up and veg you in trouble, which
guess what yeah, yeah, you know when they're done that
right anyway? Yeah, yeah, So but then you compared to
the the ninety one and then the ninety one, it
it looks related, but it looks like, oh you might

(01:13:42):
be the mom.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Yeah yes, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Yeah, I never bought the story and then all obviously
kim D Yeah, your stepchild.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
It was did you did you ever get to try
a c B?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Who got to try c B?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Yeah? You know, I don't know. Isn't there a male
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I mean, homeboy, that's the thing. Fucking I like Greg,
you know, I like Greg like him. I mean he's
a smiley, you know, happy, you know, he's a cool guy.
But then it's just like, you know, you know, he
said there was males in this story, and then I

(01:14:33):
asked him and he was like, oh, there wasn't no males,
And I'm like, what true?

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Come on, I mean, why the different stories, dude? I
just you know, And then we're the bad guys because
we want to know because we're weed nerds.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
And yes we want to know, yea to keep poking. Yeah,
but this leads me question that I you've finally grown
diesel quite a bit, s Ones, Where does diesel fit in?
Because the story goes that the kem dog d hermed

(01:15:11):
on mass super skunk in the room. Now growing keem d.
Do you know it to be a big shut thrower
pollinate in rooms?

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Oh you mean it's bananas?

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Yeah? Do you know what, to often pollinate other plants
in the room with it. Even if it does have banana.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
It doesn't seem to produce much much seed at all.
So and everybody knows mass super you know what was
a herm herm room you know, it would make some seeds,
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
It was a room destroyer.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
By yeah, I I honestly think I think that mass
uh you know super uh. It's responsible for a lot
of these dogs that circulated over the years because people
would get kim dog weed and they'd find a seed
and they'd be like him dog and yet it's really

(01:16:12):
Kim dog times mass super, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
So yeah, I think it made some beautiful shit. I mean,
whether it is Kim dog D Mass Super or Cam
ninety one Mass super making D, there's no definite. Obviously,
there's no definite on anything. But the one thing that
I became sure of was it would be really hard
to say that Kim dog D pollinated a mass super

(01:16:36):
skunk that pollinates everything else, right, And therefore I looked
at it and I was like, this is mass super skunk.
This is at least a super skunk, and from that
you can get og Kush type terps you can get
all kinds of weird, interesting turps in those s ones.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
You know what I'd really like to see, uh personally,
is a legit mass super skunk.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Yes, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
I had one what I don't know, fourteen fifteen years ago,
and it had the plague, it got nade. But uh, yeah,
I don't know if anybody even has a healthy example

(01:17:31):
of that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
I think, I genuinely in my opinion, and it's just
an opinion. Obviously, there's no proof. I think that Diesel
is the mass super skunk S one. I think that's
the best example we have yet. Now we have the
we have the the ever lending, everlasting question. Is KIM
ninety one directly related to og? Hell?

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah, and you think so.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
You think so. And my opinion, which is much less
educated than yours, and when it comes to the d's
and all this other stuff, is that it is related
via a super skunk because the ninety one, the year
that it came out versus the year that og Cush
pops up, is right in the same year that mass

(01:18:20):
super skunk pops up. However, in ninety one, you can't
be having ninety one circulating around and have all of
a sudden, Og Cush pop up in ninety two doing
the same shit. It would be a few years in
between this mastery and tom foolery of og being directly
related ninety one. I would think, so, how do the

(01:18:41):
years match up? And made it work?

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Kim Dog came from Oregon as dog.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Right if it is correct if it is corrected, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Og Cush triangle Cush all that came from you know,
Washington as the Emerald Triangle.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I mean, wasn't there a super not in there?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Something depends on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Who exactly I mean, yeah, yeah, but the Washington story
is which one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
That that would be that would be coming from? Uh hey,
hey Alan, uh no, what's his name? Branford? Yeah, yeah,
Marty Martin, Yeah, I know him by handle. I was

(01:19:40):
trying to reverse handle barbecue try tip, No his.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
Other tip, try tip, try t Yeah, we'll try to Yeah,
And I like I like I like trick tip Marty
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
I know on the past shows. Uh my, my previous
host used to shit on him a lot, and I
didn't find that to be like real cool or factual
because he's he's always been straight up with me as
best he seems to be more confident later on on
what was in the room than he was early on
a straight tip. But sometimes that happens over the years,
you know, you get more confident about what you think.

(01:20:18):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
But he was saying Washington, Yeah, I just think you know,
I think he was trying to share more story than
he really knew, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yeah, and that's fair it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
I'd be extremely curious to know where this supposed Emerald
triangle really came from. And I mean, if you get
a clone in the late eighties, say called Emerald triangle,
and it came from Washington, my guess is that Washington

(01:20:57):
got it from the Emerald.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Trying Emerald triangle. It makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
So back in those days, Washington, Portland, Humboldt, Mendocino, that
was the original clone trading, you know, that was yeah,
that was like you know, and so my dad was
getting stuff from Washington and Portland and you know, a
southern Oregon and then vice the verse.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
So, but how does it line up? How does it
line up in the years?

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
What if that Amal triangle was really similar.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
To to that dog could have been? But then that
destroys my whole super skunk theory, and then I go
back to my house crying because I mean, because it's
super skunk. I think is nineteen ninety the first year
it's in the catalogs. But as I've learned over the years,
Neville was passing out stuff that wasn't in the catalogs yet,

(01:21:54):
much earlier than being in the catalogs, with orders like yeah,
So I just had this sneaking suspicion based on the
bud structure, blood types. And when Diesel S one started
spitting out o G cush smelling stuff, which I've never
smelled from any other type plants. How unique, That's when

(01:22:15):
I was like, goddamn, this motherfucker has super skunk in it.
But like you've always said, what do you say, you
can't go back on?

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, but check this out. Kim D
has some fucking weirdo og cush esque fucking s ones OG,
but they have a lot of the look and like
some of the sniff, you know. Yeah, I mean that

(01:22:44):
that is simple enough if it's a ninety one hybrid itself, yes, yeah,
And then you know, maybe OG is a ninety one hybrid,
could be.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
What about ninety one tells you that it is a
direct relation to og Is it just the stretch? Is
it more than just the stretch? Is the term high? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
They and in circumcert certain circumstances, grown side by side,
they can look like the same frickin' plant almost.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Yeah, Yeah, we definitely can.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I wanted to have this out on air because we've
talked about it a million times, and I wanted to
see if I could figure out a few other questions
that I had, and I think, God, damn it, the
Washington thing really fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Yeah, but you know who knows that all those stories
have a few degrees of SUSA.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
They're nuanced. I believe the term is nuanced. Yeah, but
that's that's one that we're always going to be trying to,
I think, solve because it is responsible.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
For so much building blocks. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Yeah, speaking of building blocks, let's get into the future.
C s I. He's building blocks and we may be
able to try some of this stuff that c. S
I has not only collected, not only bread grown, but
at a certain space that you may be able to

(01:24:25):
go see it at and try it at. And that's
special to me, and I think it's special to everyone
watching and you know, people have been asking for ages,
any new news on any of that. Is there anyone
to offer any any.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
What was the word brick and mortar, brick and mortar,
brick and mortar shops.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
I believe they are. That's a word, that's a term.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I have big aspirations and hopefully I get them finished.
I don't know, Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I'm pretty confident you will more than like a two. Well,
at least you can get one done.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
That would be he's true, true, true, and not trying
to get one and try to get four done all
at once.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Yeah, yeah, that would be kind of crazy. Yeah yeah,
but is there a time frame we're looking at you anything?

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
So I'm basically working on building out two dispensaries right now.
One's called essentially the seed Bank, and then the other
one that's called the black Market.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Yes, that's the most awesome name ever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
It's it's it's not original, No, I like it. But
and then I'm also working on building out my nursery. Yes,
and then uh you know, uh you know, between those,
you know, I'm I'm hoping to have you know, like

(01:26:00):
a little core to build off of, and then I
have a I have a place that I'm you know,
it's it's a huge not a huge project, but for me,
you know, it's it's a big project. I'm if I

(01:26:20):
get those first three all done, then I have another
dispensary kind of thing. But it's it's a dispensary grow museum,
you know, you know, just a decent size, small, humble

(01:26:41):
facility where you know, but it's just going to be
straight up cus I humble, and it's it's gonna look
like the packaging.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Yeah, hey, we'll have a place to put up the
Hayes poster finally.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Where hey wait what would be nice? But that that
last one it might take four or five years to
get built. These other ones, Uh, I might have something
up uh up and going open uh within a year, Yeah,

(01:27:20):
it would be nice, but probably a good two years
to have the full you know, nursery and you know, uh, dispenser, when.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
You say nursery, is this just gonna be talking about
selling seeds or we gonna be moving clones?

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Is basically breeding breeding, so you know, definitely clones seeds,
But I mean, uh, the bulk of this place is
R and D you know, yeah, grown, grown stuff out,
making new stuff, you know, blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Also, yeah, and if I don't think I'm over now right,
not ready to retire, Yeah, we'll see. I mean, yeah,
there's there's not exactly a whole lot of money in
any of it, so I'm definitely doing it just for
the for the fun of it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah, this isn't the time to make a bunch of
money off this project, but no, it's needed. I think
a lot of people find a lot of interest in
it because you know, you can go to any collective
and go and say, hey, I want some of that
Cam ninety one, but you are assuredly very unlikely to
be smoking Cam ninety one once you open that bag.
There's a lot of importance to this and I'm i

(01:28:34):
myself am stoked, so I know other people will.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
One of the things about the black market is it's
gonna be kind of it's a tiny little hole in
the wall. But yeah, in the dispensary part of it,
I'm looking to do four rooms. I'm looking to do
just a pure Indica room, a pure auto flower room,

(01:29:04):
just because I wanted to utilize some of the free
sunshine flowers. Yeah, yeah, bro, And then a settee room
because I got like thirteen and a half with ceilings,
you know, and yeah, that's kind of also a mutant
room because I like some mutants.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
You like your mutants. Where's the purple room.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Though, we need to see the that can be the interco.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Room, that makes sense, Yeah, you know, or so. So
you've got through all that. Is there anything else like
coming out that you're super excited about? And people don't know?
I nailed your nuts to the ground to try to
get you to sit down and do this, uh interview,
and you were kind enough to set aside your time

(01:29:49):
on your busy schedule to do it, so I know
how frustrated. But is there anything else they want to
take off? A nap, I know, a whole nap, a
whole snap got taken. Oh oh, Dabney Blue coming out?
Any Elvis anything like that coming up from No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
I've mostly I'm mostly taken a break off of, you know,
just seed production lately in the in the last few months. Uh,
all I've been doing is running out growing seeds, you know,
my own and uh lots of others, land races, CBDs,

(01:30:34):
auto flowers, flower ishes, you know, just a bunch of
different stuff. And you know, I think that's the court
to you know, you know progress and just you know
moving forward basically by you know, moving backwards and you

(01:30:57):
know digging up you know, old stuff, stuff that other
people aren't working on or working with, you know, finding
new stuff by digging through stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Yeah, leaving some room room for us pledged to make
feminize seeds and cross cross to cross so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
We can do it too, things like that. You know,
I really want to get into, you know, making feminize
seeds of some of these like uh, you know, random
like land race you know things and stuff. Yeah, I
mean there there's there's some interesting stuff in some of
these things.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
And I've got a whole big bag of stuff to
send you still to go through from Chitrali stuff all
kinds of words. So yeah, different chichai than you got,
I think, but a lot of other land race stuff
that I've.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Just so that's that's my favorite part of growing, just
seeing new stuff and then you know, seeing how they
combined and you know, blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
And and it's hard to do that when you have
a mother room fucking x amount of plants, constantly having
to take clones, nine clones of each to make sure
you're a boid, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean
I don't know what else to ask. There's a thousand
more questions I could go on, but we're in exactly
an hour and a half in which is thirty minutes

(01:32:18):
longer than I was going to keep you. But I
gotta say I'm stoked to finally get you one on one,
be able to ask you questions that I've been wanting
to ask you. And as as someone who was a
big admirer of yours, starting out big time admirer to
becoming one of my best friends, I can't thank you
enough for what you've done for cannabis and what you've
done for me as a friend. And I want to

(01:32:41):
be able to say that on air, even though it's
so sappy, and I got lots of love for you, brother,
and I appreciate your time and energy. All right, man,
Well from here on out, it's you got to share
your schnuts or you got to get the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
I got the room to harvest just tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
That you need to go.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Taking that the fourth in two weeks we can have
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Oh fuck that the Fourteenth's all you got to worry about.
It all goes down, all right, brother, Well, lots of
love and hopefully we'll have you back soon. I really
want to do an H and L episode with you
and some other folks when you get time. All right,
brother gat peace, you.

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